It's awesome.
Why don't we go for it?
So we did it.
And then one thing was the next.
Oh dude, that's awesome.
You say you're banned by FIFA?
Yeah, we're banned from FIFA.
Oh, we get to talk about this on the show.
All right.
Welcome in to vision pros live with Jackson Calame.
I'm your show host.
We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs and guests leaders who are
building fantastic visions out there.
I just want to go through some of the things that might help you with your
visions.
Casual, not Friday.
That way when you're an entrepreneur, so enjoy it real quick.
I want to give a shout out to epiphany, able health dot U S and of course the
water project.
My name is Jackson Calame.
The founder of first class business.
I'm excited to have Ben Mallin on the show today.
I also have to ask him and ask him if I pronounced his last name right.
But this, this young man of 19 years old has the poise of a twoo after talking to
him for the last 15, last five minutes and knowing what he went through with Dean
and with Jaime, I would say he has the poise of like a 28 to 30 year old.
So I'm really excited to see what in the heck inspired him to start his e-commerce
company at 16 years old.
And maybe we'll talk about how he got banned by, by FIFA.
We might talk about that a little bit, maybe a lot of it.
We'll see what he wants to go into there.
And ultimately, if there's somebody that you can learn tremendous things about
vision from it's young people who are already pursuing their visions and doing
it right from the get go.
I mean, I know it's easy to think that that's easy to do.
It's not.
I was one of those young people who went against the grain in terms of pursuing
my vision.
And, you know, there's just constant people who are trying to make you shift
gears and look at life through the lens that everybody else looks at it through.
So I'm excited to hear his perspective on life, how it's gotten into where he's
at, where he's headed with it.
And of course, gather some knowledge from him about how you can apply this to your
life.
I'm 35 years old now.
I can learn a ton from a 19 year old who is doing life.
Right.
So I hope you join me in that process without further ado, Ben, thank you so
much for being on the show, man.
We're excited to have you today.
It's awesome to be here.
Yeah, it's awesome.
Yeah, dude, absolutely.
What time is it there?
Oh, 4 a.m.
Let's just give him a round of applause for being willing to do this at 4 a.m.
with me.
Man, I'm stoked about that.
I think I went to bed at 4 a.m.
last night myself.
Why?
Because I'm up doing vision stuff.
In fact, I made breakfast for my kiddos before I went to bed to make sure that it
was done and they were good to go in the morning, you know, and then naturally got
up with them at what, like seven fifty eight to help get them off to grandma's
house.
But that, you know, when you love what you do and you love the visions that you're
building for their time is kind of arbitrary.
I don't know.
That's at least my thought.
What about you?
Let's go there first leadership wise.
How do you use your time?
What advice would you have for people?
What have you learned so far about time management?
Just that it's very important.
And if you're going to do something, commit to doing it and do that well.
One of the things I've heard recently, which I'm really, really loving learning
myself and trying to implement, is that also with the time management, super,
super important as everyone speaks about, but also I've heard a little bit about
energy management and I sat back and you thought about it and it's very, very
good to allocate time and be very good at time management, which we should be
doing should be getting better at.
But if you actually can't manage your energy and you allocate time to do a task,
but you don't have the energy or the focus to do that task, it's kind of
useless to allocate the time because you're not going to be productive.
So it's also thinking, okay, I want to do this task at this time, but also want
to make sure I have the energy to do that.
So maybe, you know, in the night, I want to work on vision pros for three hours.
But in the afternoon, if I just go out and do something crazy for five hours,
I'm not going to have the energy to do that tonight.
So maybe I need a rest or maybe I need to sleep better than not.
Maybe I need to have through that gives me energy, whatever it is for you, just
managing your energy so that when you allocate time, you can do that.
Well, dude, I love that.
I've only heard one other mentor talk about energy in a similar fashion.
That's Taylor Welch talks about clean energy and dirty energy and how to develop
it, but I hadn't heard of it in terms of energy management.
You know, I'm thinking about that.
That's very in line with kind of what I do.
Last night it was guitar for me.
Last night I was, I was playing for my kiddos and when I played for my kiddos,
when they fall asleep, I start to like, you know, dive into songs that I love.
So, you know, and then I took a nap at, I don't know, I think at 10 AM, I had an
11 o'clock interview, I had a little break, bam, unit power nap to make sure
that I'm taking care of my health, got up for that interview.
So, dude, well said.
I agree with the concept.
Hopefully I'm doing that right.
So let's talk about your vision for 15 second version first, Ben.
What is your vision for yourself?
Yes, I'd say, so definitely inspire other people, similar age and similar status
to me to be 1% better every day and to do that every day of their lives.
I love that.
You heard the concept of saving, you know, like a dollar a day or $2 a day and what
that can compound, you know, up to over four years.
Yeah.
You're doing that.
Yeah, everything, once you compound it, it's ridiculous.
Yeah, that's amazing.
Oh, okay.
And so let's talk about this.
What's your vision then for those that you serve currently and who do you serve?
So I'd say definitely people in a similar boat to me, a young 15 to 25 year old guys,
ideally, because that's who I am, who I know, who just want to take the next step.
It's people who are wanting to become an entrepreneur or wanting to get better at
what they do or wanting to be more consistent.
And I know that I've learned a lot from, yeah, really, really high level
entrepreneurs who post a lot of really good, valuable content out there.
And that's helped me immensely in my journey.
I still got a long way to go, but having somebody who's further along in the journey
on a similar journey to where you want to go is so helpful.
So I want to be doing that for the people who are two or three steps behind
and just slowly move everyone along.
Very cool.
Good stuff, man.
And so you've talked about who should be listening, these 15 to 25 year old
aspiring entrepreneurs and, and you know, you know, you're talking about
entrepreneurs and you know, they're, they're probably going to get some life
lessons out of this episode today and to learn the next couple of steps that they
might be taking.
Why should they listen to you?
Cause I've been there, done that.
I've failed a few times stuffed up and often I find it's really, really good.
Everyone talks about learning from your mistakes and it's super valuable to learn
from them, which is good, but it's even better if you learn from other people's
mistakes. So you didn't have to go through that.
So yeah, I'm somebody's main mistakes.
I've had success, I've had failures and somebody, everyone you can learn from.
If they've done something good, you copy it.
And if they don't have something bad, you just do the opposite.
Yeah.
Just somebody who is a couple of steps along for some people and a couple of
steps behind, I think everybody has something to offer something to learn from.
I love that.
I have definitely made my fair share of mistakes.
And in the process I got to avoid many, I was the youngest of 15 half and step
brothers and sisters, second youngest actually, and over 80 cousins.
And I was again on the younger end of that.
So I got to watch people grow up and what they did and the choices they made was
super helpful to know like, okay, don't go that route.
Okay, go that route.
That was helpful.
So you started your company at 16 years old.
Did you do that with parental support, community support?
Or anything like that?
Tell us about how you got started as an e-commerce store brand.
And again, having the character and mindset to look at life with that opportunity.
Yeah.
So I started with two other guys, which is really helpful.
Everything.
Yeah.
It's kind of like a double-sided coin.
You have obviously pros and cons to everything, but suddenly really two
good friends that were super close with one of the other guys' parents was happy
to invest in support financially, which was helpful at the time.
Obviously the later you start, obviously the more cash you'll have from just
general working, but we were pretty young at the time.
So that was helpful.
We started there and it's just saying it's not ridiculously difficult
depending on the business model.
But if it's something simple like an e-commerce brand, service-based business,
it's not super hard to start.
So we were 16 at the time, not ridiculously intelligent.
And we figured out, yeah.
Obviously do all the registration stuff.
You get everything trademarked.
You attempt to build a website if that's where you want to sell.
And then you go from there and then from there, it's just a process of learning.
You establish some sort of foundation and learn.
Dude, I love that.
All right.
So I'm happy that you're simplifying this because there's two different markets.
My market knows that the business cookbook is full of hundreds of simple recipes.
And that's in essence, what makes it complex.
I shouldn't say they know that that's what I teach people, but it also comes
with the baggage of being an adult with lots of experience in life, right?
We tend to have more mind trash, the older that we get things that get in the way.
And so you bring up something important though.
If you just read the manual, right?
If you just look at this e-commerce platform is built with step-by-step
instructions on how to do things, you know, you can make, create the mind
space and the heart space to digest that information.
Um, then, you know, it really can be a lot simpler than we make it out to be.
But when we try to control that puzzle or we try, we let our own minds together
or we can't remember what's going on because we've got a bunch of kids.
Um, and we don't manage our life well, then it can become more
complicated than it needs to be.
So we're returning to you being 16.
You got in that.
I want to hit on one key for those who are listening.
You mentioned that you started with two friends.
There's pros and cons there, but there's something that happened.
I would think before those two friends became business partners with you.
You guys had this, it sounds like you guys established a great friendship.
Um, right.
Talk us through that.
There's a lot of people who don't have great friendships, you know, Gary
Vaynerchuk talks about escaping your crowd, um, right.
Getting, getting five people next to you who are also doing amazing things.
Yep.
How did you hone in on great friends?
What are some of the virtues you looked for or the aspects that drove you to be
friends with you guys get lucky, um, end up at a party or something, becoming friends?
What was that like?
Is the combination between both I'd say.
So, you know, I think that's the first thing that I would say.
So we would definitely great friends and faithful was a great one for us.
Cause all three of us jumped onto FIFA.
It was during the COVID lockdown, right?
Hold on.
You jumped onto FIFA.
I'm thinking of playing FIFA video games, but I think you meant more than that.
What do you mean you jumped into FIFA?
Oh, like FIFA is in, yeah.
Jumped on the PlayStation four.
Okay.
We had like a FIFA team together that we could play online each night.
Oh, it really was FIFA.
Okay.
Like the video.
Yep.
Cool.
Okay.
Keep going.
Oh, jumped onto their most nights during COVID, which is where, yeah,
we'll obviously friends before, but that kind of started then in the COVID lockdown.
And yeah, just when you're in the COVID lockdown and you're not going out and
seeing that many people apart from the family you're living with, yeah, you
become really, really good friends.
And it's a really good outlet.
We found was having a little bit of fun, being able to wind down, relax.
And when you're on the two to four to six hours a night, it's yeah, hard
not to become closer in that.
Yeah.
And people think it's so unproductive.
Um, you know, like they think that video games are like the, the
bane to our existence and what destroy it.
Some people do, but like, you're right.
When you have that camaraderie and friendship where you're talking, you're
ultimately, you become so good at it too, that it's second, it's like driving a car.
Yeah.
And then you're able to just mastermind the entire time you're playing, whether
it's about what, what party you're going to go to, or whether it's about e-commerce.
You guys chose to turn those conversations towards e-commerce on occasion.
Is that where y'all started to talk about the idea?
Yeah, definitely.
Man, this is, this is cool.
I really hope your parents out there listening to this, um, because there,
there are great things that can happen.
Um, you know, of course, hope your, I hope your kids choose great
friends, uh, like Ben did.
So these parents invest in the original venture.
What did that look like?
Yep.
So one of the other guys, Mark, he's dad, um, was very keen to jump on board, help
us out, so he could sort of see the vision and where we're sort of going.
So he's like, let's do it.
Um, he's a tiny bit of initial capital and good luck with it.
Go for it.
The tiny bit, what that was?
It was 2000 at the time.
Okay.
Cool.
2000 Australian dollars, 1500 ish US.
So he said, he gave you that.
He said, go, what'd you guys do?
So got everything registered, sorted out Shopify.
And for us, the main thing was getting samples, um, initially.
Cause yeah, we're a customer parallel place.
We obviously the higher the quality, the better your brand.
Yeah.
Definitely go get a lot of samples from different manufacturers.
And we're still not there yet.
We're still in the process of the moment of getting more samples in for more products.
Okay.
Hey, Jaime, pull that back up for me.
Um, I want to look at Vertex active and, and talk through, it says, get your 100%
free design.
Um, so I'm getting custom design sportswear.
Talk us through the brand.
What is this brand now?
Um, and how does it work?
Yeah.
So essentially exactly what you said, uh, free design, a hundred percent customized.
So where the whole kind of project started was we were 16 and we did custom
designs, put it out there.
And then we realized, well, when we want to get soccer jerseys or any other
sporting business, community apparel, a lot of the time, when you search up
customer power, custom shirts, custom hoodies, it's very stock standard.
You're going to go onto a website and you're going to select from a bunch of
five to 10 pre-designed templates where you can upload a logo.
You can change the colors and that's about it, but everybody's doing that.
So it's not that unique.
And it doesn't actually represent your brand, your culture, and your
style, what you want to go for.
So we, yeah, wanted to go into it and offer something that's fully a hundred
percent customized and like even the Jason on the screen there, you're not
going to find those anywhere else.
Yeah.
Cause they're fully customized by us.
Dude, that's amazing.
Okay.
So I'm excited to bring Jaime on Jaime.
I want you to come from the background.
That's like, you got some serious noise problems.
So because Jaime worked with an Italian premier soccer league as well, dude, I
want to hear your thoughts on this.
Like what, what do you think in how did, did your market care about stuff like this?
Do you guys down in Columbia care about stuff like this?
Teach us a little bit perspective.
Of course, of course.
Like, um, so I worked for a international soccer program.
So one of the things that we did yearly is we ordered the uniforms, obviously
for the game, but we also ordered the uniforms for the game.
For the camps and for the tournament.
And something like this is we, we usually, um, what do you call it?
We outsource it usually either in Columbia, which had a lot chipper materials.
And, or we did it in Pakistan.
So we had those two providers and usually what we got were things that had, um, a
good design because it was based from other high brand and a good looking things.
But I mean, having someone that definitely personalizes your material
and provides a high quality, it's hard to find in the market.
You either settle for good design and bad quality or even both, but definitely
getting people out there.
It's a very important part for people that have.
I love it.
We're losing you a little bit Jaime, but you nailed it.
And so what we got though, I see a strategic partnership in the making.
I don't know where my fingers should go to point this out, but Jaime and Ben,
uh, like I could see you guys, you know, like just collaborating a little bit,
maybe exchanging some different contact information on, on who would be
interested in what, um, cause we'd love to, I love to see that process
supported, um, you know, and see what could come out of that.
That could be super fun and unexpected.
Um, with this podcast, so thoughts on that Ben, I love that.
Are you in any soccer leagues right now?
Yeah, we're doing, yeah.
A couple of soccer teams.
We've done that in the past and yeah, it's at a stage now.
We're just looking to grow in scale.
So we've started built solid enough foundations and just go from there.
I have an idea for you, my friend.
What was that?
I have an idea for you.
Go for it.
We just hosted a, uh, an author, uh, sorry, a publisher, um, who has hundreds
of students that he's published books for, right?
And one of his testimonial videos, so powerful.
It's just unboxing after unboxing, after unboxing of people pulling
their book out for the first time.
Um, right.
So you got these authors who are pulling it out.
Some of them are jumping up and down and some of them are crying and hugging it.
Uh, if you guys had a compilation of soccer teams, unboxing their jerseys, dude,
that'd be, that would be so powerful from an emotional appeal standpoint.
Yeah.
We haven't actually thought about that.
Awesome.
All yours, man.
Go for it.
It'd be fun.
Oh, so yeah, then you turn those all to TikToks.
Oh, it'd be so fun.
Um, all right, cool.
And you know more about TikTok than I do.
I can tell that.
So, uh, you talked about using TikTok for the marketing side of things.
Uh, you're in a generation where that might be a little bit more
of a
slow process.
Um, but you guys use it for, what'd you guys see results?
Good, bad, ugly.
Yep.
So we started initially just chucking some videos up a bit willing, nearly
not too much thought and strategy expertise behind it.
And we had, yeah, some mild success.
And then we found, because we were doing a lot of marketing, we were
really, really focused on what we found because we did like a rebrand
of our, we started with something else and then rebranded it.
And we got some followers from, yeah, countries that weren't interested
in, yeah, who we were or buying the products.
It'll kind of just, I don't know how it exactly worked.
And we were pretty young and inexperienced and TikTok was new at the time.
And we're kind of at the stage now where we just wanted to focus on
product really, really good before we take something out there that we're not fully used to
when we don't fully understand.
So we kind of withdrew for a little bit and now we're at a stage.
We're looking to go back out.
Now we've got our product sorted.
We've got the business order.
We know how we want to market a little bit, how marketing works and yeah,
a whole lot of content creation, just studying people like Alex or
Mozi, Russell, Brunson, high-end brands, competitors, and looking
what they're doing rather than just looking just in our own little
bubble of the three of us.
What can we do?
It's looking at other people and learning from their failures and
emulating what they're doing well.
You mentioned two mentors that I would say are almost polar opposites
and their approach to marketing.
I have great respect for it.
Yeah.
Hello.
Sorry about that.
It seems like we're having some issues, but we'll continue.
So, tell us a little bit more regarding what, so you've already had customers.
Tell us a little bit more of your experience with your customers
and understanding like how they are.
Because I know from a perspective of being a client, we tend to ask
a lot out of the uniforms and aspects.
So, tell me a little bit more about the type of customers that you currently have.
Yeah.
So, we have a lot of customers and a lot of different sporting teams at the moment.
And we've done a few different businesses, community kind of groups.
Then from our end, it's just making sure the customer gets exactly what they want.
Because they're the ones paying you, they're the ones who you're there to serve.
So, it's actually doing that well.
Actually thinking what do they need?
What do they want?
What's their requirements?
And making sure you go above and beyond to reach that.
Because a lot of people you start and it's very easy to be self-centered
and be like what's easiest for us?
What can we do that's going to work with our problems, our projects, our ideas,
rather than from the other way around?
And you listen to any high-end entrepreneur, business owner,
and they all have that mindset of thinking the other way around.
What does the customer want?
What are their pain points?
What are they wanting out of this?
Why are they even here?
Why do they bother to pay you?
Why do they bother to answer your emails?
They're thinking very customer-based.
Yeah.
And from my experience, so going through that design phase,
it's kind of difficult because you have to test out
and you have to look at the materials and you have to go through that process.
Do you have something in place as far as like an initial design meaning
and then sending over some type of quality for bigger orders I'm talking about?
So, what's your process looking like in that aspect?
So, at this stage, we do one to three initial designs.
They just tell us what they want.
Then we go and design it.
Send it back to them.
And then it's just a feedback process from there.
They'll say what they like or they don't like.
We'll make those changes, send it back to them.
And we just go back and forth until they're happy,
until they're 100% satisfied.
Because if they're not happy, then we just change what they're not happy about.
And sometimes it's annoying, but that's part of it.
And that's what you sign up for when you want to do custom work in that field.
You're just going back and forth until they're 100% happy.
And sometimes we have to start again.
We get to a point where like, damn, this just isn't working.
Start again.
And then it's better.
And the final product turns out looking amazing.
Okay.
I think we're continuing to have issues.
Mainly, I guess, it may be because of our internet.
But are you able to hear me now well?
I can hear you now.
All right.
Let's keep on going for a bit.
Yep.
So regarding vision and being so young, I admire what you do.
Because I am trying to still launch my own business.
And it's very difficult.
And also, being at such a young age, it's something I'm viable.
So if you were to have someone in front of you that is going through that process,
what type of advice would you provide to them?
I'd say just do it.
Because you'll never regret doing it, essentially.
And I quoted that love.
And to be said many, many times by a lot of different people,
it's not from me, but it's awesome.
And it says, imperfect action beats perfect inaction.
And it's just very, very powerful in the sense that you just start
and that's all you can do.
So yeah, the sooner you start, you'll either go well and it's great.
You'll be glad you started.
Or it doesn't go well.
And you learn from that and improve that, whatever mistake you make.
So there's kind of no benefit to not starting.
I love that mindset.
It's also looking at it's always getting the positive thing out of everything
that you do.
So it doesn't matter if you fail.
But as long as you get started and you do things and you take those steps,
that's the most important thing.
And for a young person, some of the things that we have present is fear.
Fear of starting, fear of taking that next step.
So how would you recommend to a young person that's starting to get over
that fear of just going forward and starting their own business or starting
their own venture into life?
Yeah.
So listening to a lot of different people speak on business, give their
own business advice, who are further along than me.
One of the things that always comes up, leaving Koby, I'm reading a book,
Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, and the second habit is start
with the end in mind.
Simon Seneca also says, yeah, have your why, know your why before you start.
I think just relaying that advice, the best thing you can do is know why
you're doing it, what the end goal is.
Because if you have an end goal, okay, I want to make extra income on the side
so I can support my kids or I've got a marriage coming up and I've got a
wedding that I need to pay for.
So I need the money from the business to support that.
And having that as your driving factor rather than just doing it for the
sake of it will help you get through.
Yeah, that's again mindset.
So once you focus your mind until you're basically results driven, you're
always focusing on that end goal and then you're simply just going through
the process of life and trying to get to that end goal.
And I admire that extremely.
Yeah.
And so, sorry guys, hey Jackson.
It had to happen at some point, Ben, happened to you my friend, but great
job throwing down and keep keeping it going.
I mean, feel free to continue.
Yeah, so I was just going to continue focusing on that results driven
mindset, which is very important for any type of business owner, any
visionary that's always there because people or a lot of people don't
think about the end result.
So having that end result is a really necessarily going these types of
things like coaching or going to mentors and getting to people.
What would you say to them to get them started and look for mentors and
look to get into mindset ideas?
Yeah, so yeah, in terms of starting you just you want to get into it and
you want to mentor there or somebody further along.
So, you know, just like a duck, you know, floating in the water.
So once you have those two things just start and you have some sort
of forward vision forward focus of where it is.
I'm going what's a competitor that's further along what's an entrepreneur
who I want to emulate and you just go for it knowing that you will make
mistakes, but every high-level entrepreneur has either failed their
first or multiple businesses or they had a successful business that
had multiple failures.
So the thing that you're going to get it right the first time is a bit
naive and yeah, this that like 90% of businesses fail in the first
however many years two years for I don't know the exact stat, but it's
very common for a business to fail and you just got to go for it knowing
that the odds aren't in your favor.
But if you do it enough times and you learn from those mistakes eventually
the odds will swing around.
Nice.
I love that.
You mind if I jump back?
Oh, I mean it's got a little bit of an it lag too, but I think mine is
so we're good to go.
Dude.
I made extra bridging the gap on that.
I'm going to drive dive right in with that.
So, you know, I love what you're talking about with, you know, if you
do it enough times, right, especially if you're if you've got your
type of heart and mind where you're going to learn from others along
the way again, we'll go back to Alex and Alex Hermosian.
Russell Brunson on the same concept.
But as we get there to tie the two together entrepreneurs, the stat is
that in 10 years 96% of businesses fail, right?
Yeah, I doesn't mean they won for nine years and then finally failed.
Like they had a very hard path the entire time never really got to the
success spent 10 years of their life doing it and 96 out of a hundred
people don't make it.
That's a very that's a very scary statistic.
It's a very real statistic.
And the only way you can beat the odds is if you're not playing the
average game, you have to be doing things that are above average in
order to get above average results.
I had a mission president that taught me that I'm super grateful for it.
So you're doing above average things.
You're mentoring with the right types of people.
Yesterday.
We had coach Reed on the call.
I can't wait to introduce you because coach Reed has been in the
sports world for over 30 years as a coach.
He's become a very good friend of mine.
I have a feeling he needs a Jersey or two or knows people who might
need jerseys and he talked about getting outside of your echo chamber.
That means not just listening to people who think like you right getting
people who think differently.
So here's Alex Hermosy.
Here's Russell Brunson Russell Brunson is convert quick convert fast
convert convert convert, right?
Alex is playing the long game.
He knows how to talk about conversions to keep people interested.
He's also the guy who admitted when he launched this podcast.
He launched it with 10 year mindset.
I will do this and optimize it and I am invested.
I'm not giving up on this.
I'm going to optimize and optimize chisels of sound just like my biceps
and my not mine his biceps and his six pack minor.
No, so let's not go minor the 10 year failure.
Just kidding.
So Ben you're following both of those individuals.
You're catching the value from both and you you're probably expanding
your horizon of who you're looking at Simon Sinek.
You mentioned Stephen cubby as well.
These are great names.
I hope people of any age are diving into reading these materials.
What would you say the most powerful lesson you've learned over the
last three years of business has been for you?
Let me switch that.
Yeah, just to do things and keep doing it essentially just consistency.
But always trying things learning trying to implement and take action actions
a big one as well often.
Yeah, it's kind of like a spectrum.
I like to look at and the majority of people are on one end of the
spectrum and it's kind of like they're just stale stagnant not yet.
Not looking to mentors not trying to read anything taking any valuable
content and then you have on the other end of the spectrum for like
self-development junkies is how it's kind of been turned and people
who just love taking in all this value love looking at mentors reading
books listening to podcasts and majority people that's not an issue,
but I thought I'm towards that end of the spectrum.
It's like I love watching these videos.
I love listening to podcasts like these.
I love reading books and then it's actually taking what you learn
and then action on that.
So yeah, I'd say that's probably the biggest lesson action and consistency.
Yeah with exactly what you said with Alex or mozi.
It's that long-term mindset that if you actually take action consistently
for 10 years, it's unlikely that you'll fail.
Correct.
Yeah, restacking those odds in your favor.
He said with his YouTube channel.
He's like, I don't really care.
I'm just going to do these in 10 years and it's pretty unreasonable to
think that I'm not going to grow and I'm going to have some mild success
if I do consistently for 10 years and emulate the good stuff and cut out
the crap stuff.
Yeah, so it's just taking that mindset and applying to the business.
If I learn marketing for 10 years, we're not going to get a perfect
in the first year, maybe not in the second year, but in the eighth
or ninth year, I think you'll be a lot better and you have a lot more
success.
So just knowing that in 10 years time you will be doing it and you'll
be so much better off.
Absolutely.
Oh man, that's so cool, dude.
You just dropping so much wisdom on everybody right now with this.
All right, so Ben, why is it says that but why is all of this so
important to you?
How did you gain perspective to want to build something like this as
early as you did?
I'd say business something that always interests me.
Some people just love the idea of it and I'm probably more from an
engineering max kind of background.
So I love problem solving.
I love getting in there and figuring out how things work and taking that
and applying it to business something is always passionate about how
does a business work because we interactive businesses all the time.
I would buy we see the ads on TV Facebook, you know, takes our
preferences take our information and recommends businesses and ads
and products to us.
So it's just to figure out how does that work and you can obviously
make money from it.
That's one factor.
You can also use it to serve people and Ross Brunson talks a lot about
that anyone is familiar with me.
His kind of model is that it's not a government or the politicians
that will change the world is the entrepreneurs.
Yeah, and there's a lot of power in that to be able to one serve people
and give them solutions to their products and yeah, it creates a lot
of freedom for you.
If you can have a business that supports you financially, it gives
you actually time to invest in things that matter to you.
So whether that be religion or your family or hobbies or being
out of relax being able to give back being out of serve whatever
it is for each person is a lot of freedom in that that often people
don't like to talk about because it may be like a selfish reason,
but depending how you want to use it a lot of freedom to be able to
do that.
Correct.
So deeper than that.
Yeah, I've you thought through why you care.
Why does been and how do I say your last name?
But I'm sorry.
I didn't ask that.
Malin Malin Malin Malin English way.
Okay.
Yeah, Malin.
Yeah.
Why do you specifically care?
Is there something that that like open your eyes to caring about
the world?
We just kind of born with that.
Where that desire to care about serving others and being there
for people is it simply an engineering trick or there's something
deeper.
I'd say deeper fundamentally like I am a Christian and I know
podcast like this.
Yeah, you don't want to obviously not specifically religious,
but I'm a Christian and yeah, seeing what you know, Christ did
for me on the cross that pretty much just shapes my whole world
and it's a really good verse and it's like we love because he
first loved us.
So fundamentally that is the reason because I know that I am
loved and careful beyond I can beyond anything I can ever
comprehend and yeah taking and giving that to other people
whether they be through business whether it be through financially
and be able to support people in that way through my time.
Yeah, that's a real deeper reason.
I'm glad you shared it.
This podcast is one that appreciates that if you're Muslim
and it came from that, I would appreciate that too.
We happen to share that same source.
So I did see in your Instagram profile.
If you want to pull it up, I may that it set your first tagline
your first identity statement as much loved child of God.
Yeah, and I'm happy.
I wish more people were able to have the bravery to be bold
like that about what their core beliefs are because it teaches
us a lot about their value sets, you know, and where their
philosophies come from which can create, you know, a shared
understanding of what this person is up to.
So you say much love child of God from a God standpoint.
I'm also curious were your parents are super supportive.
Are they not?
You don't want to have that.
That's fine.
No, no, they definitely are.
And yeah, so much love from mom and dad.
They brought me up in a family in a household that I was able
to learn that come along to church and it really learned
the values and learn.
Yeah, what the gospel message is so super supportive and
thankful for them.
Dude, I love that.
Okay.
Well, if you want to be entertained, educated and inspired
and then it would be awesome to follow Ben on Instagram.
Let's grow his following because he is working hard to be
a light on a hill and dude, you're a super bright light
on the hilltop and I appreciate I got nephews and nieces
that I look forward to showing this to I hope they see this
and also feel inspired by what you're up to.
I'll be following your journey as life goes along to looking
and seeing all right, what's been up to what's his latest
venture?
What's this turning into?
Here's just a recap to me.
I see a young man who appreciated the game of soccer,
you know, played some video games with friends about it.
Realize there was a business opportunity associated with
his passion.
He decided to pursue that passion and now, you know, the
the world's wide open for you.
Now that you've learned all this entrepreneurial stuff, you
can turn that into any type of business model that you want
and pursue refine different visions as you work on being
one percent better every day, then you're going to have a
life well-lived.
You'll have your challenges.
You'll have your sacrifices that come along, but it sounds
like you're going to live your life with a lot of purpose.
And I think everybody from the ages of listening ears all
the way until you know, a hundred and above can be inspired
and have a life-changing experience because of all that
you shared today.
Is there anything you'd like to add?
You summarize that pretty well.
Okay, man.
Well, this has been a lot of fun.
Let's go ahead and get people.
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It also looks like Vortex.
It's Vertex though, right?
It's how you pronounce it.
Yeah, Vertex.
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