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the mistake of telling him one time in the car that I hated chewing noises when it was really quiet.

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I'm like, not to make you feel self-conscious, but when people do this, I want to kill them.

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And he was driving? No, he wasn't driving. Oh, I thought you were in the car.

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Nizifonia.

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If anyone's wondering that's listening, um, r- Dang it! Oh my gosh.

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Roman, our producer, slash Olivia's husband, he's actually Olivia's husband first, then he became a

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producer. That's true. Yeah. He had us practice not saying um, so I wrote um on my hand and then I

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was getting ready to say, I'm not going to say um, and then I said um. I won't say um ever again.

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We're going to try and not say um. And if we do, I'll just edit it out. So just disregard, but

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it makes editing easier if we don't say it to begin with. Yeah, we're just trying to make our

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lives easier. Can you blame us? Can I say what I'm drinking? Yeah. Is that against the rules?

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We've definitely talked about this like every time. Oh yeah, okay. Um, I am drinking an old-fashioned

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made by Olivia's husband slash our podcast producer. And it is delicious. It's really good.

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It's probably because this episode's going to be a little heavy if beforehand Olivia found out what

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I'm doing. I found out what she's doing and it's all sad. It is just tragic women. I started to

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disassociate while thinking. Hello, my friend. Yes. Tragic women um, living tragically. I don't think

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we've said who we are. No. Let's start from there. Okay. Um, no.

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Hello. Hello. I am Drew and I'm Olivia. And if I remember right, we are all the curious. Yes. Yes.

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And hello. Hello. We're just going to give a good old Mrs. Doubtfire. Hello. Hello. I'm coming for you,

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dearie. Help us on the way. Help us on the way. I don't know what's happening. I know.

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Uh, not saying um, so what is new with you, Olivia? Well, uh, what is new with me?

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Oh, I was, I think I was telling you a little bit about this earlier, but we both had a week of

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just misadventure. So the other day me and Roman were getting ready to go to an event and on the way

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there, I spilled coffee on my white dress. Classic. I would really never spill on myself.

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uh, oh, and that morning when I was getting ready, I burned my wrist on my curling iron,

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which I haven't done in years. I'm an expert with the curling iron now. Oh, that's a bad burn.

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Usually, I mean, when I do it, it's like a little like a cinch, but that is like a,

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yeah, I got myself good. You got yourself good. And then I just wasn't feeling good that day. And

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it just kept going downhill. And then the end of the day, I was like, I need to go home. And then

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I immediately spilled another drink on the floor. The snowball effect. And Roman looked at me and

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he's like, what's happening? Because I am not a clumsy person, but that day was just a lot. It's

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a lot. Yeah. I wish I could say I'm not a clumsy person. Boy, am I a clumsy person. Tell us about

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that, Drew. Yeah. So, um, dang it. I said, um, it's okay. I forgive you. It's because I was trying

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to think of the day it was. When was this? This was this week? Yeah, I was a couple days ago.

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It was Monday. This Monday. Um, sorry. Where I was working is, uh, an old mall, I guess,

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but that's been like refurbished into like office, office rooms for a surge, like not surgical, what

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am I trying to say? Medical. A medical company. Like the medical company of the town I live in

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has refurbished so many buildings and this is one of them. And they're, it's a really cool,

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like old staircase going up it, listening to a podcast out loud, like a jerk.

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Except no one was around. I thought, yeah, I, um, going up the stairs, I tripped on a step so hard

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and it was the one day I did not wear closed to choose, which they're always like, oh, you know,

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please wear closed to choose. No. My hydro flask flew off the stairs. It could have landed on

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somebody and killed someone. It didn't thankfully, because that is a heavy object. They're hefty.

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Hefty. Um, my phone skittered across the landing. It could have also fallen. It didn't, my toe, I have

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a big chunk out of it. It was bleeding everywhere. And the person that came over to help me was somebody

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I knew in real life. Like, of course I would never see this person until I hurt myself.

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And that's just a tip of the iceberg of what I do to myself on the regular, because I just don't

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pay attention. And we both have our, our injuries from our past week. Yeah. My toes wrapped

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up and her, my burn is slowly getting smaller. Time heals all wounds. It does. Except internal

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ones. Except for the embarrassment. I'm kidding. I feel like, was there something else we're

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gonna talk about? Anything else? Roman hit his head today. Oh, yeah. He did. And he spilt his first

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cocktail all over the floor. Yeah. Trying to figure out the cocktail shaker. Yeah. But our

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kitchen smells really good. Mm-hmm. Uh, there's a plus side. Yeah. It was not too bad of a loss.

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So we didn't, we didn't lose too much of alcohol, which is good. No. And I figured whoever watched

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me fall apart, like drop everything. It's kind of like I fell and everything I owned in my hands

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just scattered. I hope they had a good laugh because it was probably really funny. And then I limped

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up the stairs to my little office and my manager was like, how did you do that? I'm like, I don't

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know. I just did. I know. I knew I was falling apart the other day when both Roman and my mom

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were both looking at me like, are you okay? Like, how are you gonna injure yourself next?

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You're like, please don't ask that because it'll come true. Yeah. But we're good now. And now we're

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recording a podcast. Yes. And boy, is it a good one. It is a good one. Also, I would like to say

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I enjoyed people's responses to our questions of what fictional character do you relate to

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on our Instagram? Yes. Some fun answers. Yes. Thank you for indulging us. Yeah. We should try and do

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some more questions on Instagram. Mm-hmm. Because those are fun. I just want to know

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people's answers to things. Yeah. I just really want to know what people are thinking.

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wonder if they're also thinking get on with it. I don't know. Like, you can skip forward. We put

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timestamps in the description. So, oh, you do? Yeah. We do. I'm sure I've noticed, but I'm again,

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I smell. It's okay. I didn't know that until I was the one that edited the podcast and then Roman

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and through. That's us. Yeah. We can't stop. Also, I, this is just how I listen to podcasts.

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think we just want to be your friends. I just want you to know that I bled in front of people.

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We want to tell you about how dumb we are. Yeah. Oh, good times. Yeah. Oh, and this isn't really,

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I don't know, anything that exciting, but my cat, he keeps finding new ways to escape out of the house.

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area over here a little bit and he got some sap on his foot. And so he had to get a bath.

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than when I gave Greg a bath. Oh yeah, I think Greg would probably murder someone. Well, my roommate

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away from your face so you can wash him. Yeah. And then he'll never talk to you in the next 12 hours.

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Roman was able to give Henry a bath by himself, but Henry kept trying to like

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dig his claws into the tub, which was like making him slip more. So he's like, what's happening?

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Maybe he's like, where's the traction? Anyway, that's my little cat story.

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Poor, poor. He just wants to be outside all the time. I know. So does my kitty. Yeah. Except

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that he gets mad at the neighbor girl cat to the point where he is, if the window's open and she

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comes over, they are so loud at yelling at each other. There's a park across the street from my

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house and people will literally stop what they're doing to turn and look and be like, is someone

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being murdered? No, it's two cats. But just, we like to believe that they're Romeo and Juliet.

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I really don't think they are. I think it's like, I feel like it's more turf war. It's a turf war.

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We're going to see if we can get Henry a harness so we can walk him around outside. Please do.

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And then we will take a picture and post it to our podcast. Yes. Instagram, which I've changed the

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name by the way, a little bit clunky before our podcast name. No, our Instagram name is now

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oddly curious pod. Just one word, no underscore. Perfect. You're in and you're out. That's our

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Instagram. Yeah. So if you want to follow us, please do oddly curious pod. Yes. Cool. Cool. Cool.

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On that note, is there anything you'd like to add before I jump into this tragic story? No, let's

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just get right into it. Let's get right into it. Okay, here we go. Olivia, today I'm going to tell you

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and our dear listeners the story of old Hollywood, like as the beginning of Hollywood and also

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the tragic story of actress Peg and Twistle. I am excited and sad because I have listened to one

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of the podcasts that is your sources, but I'm excited to learn more. You're excited but deeply

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grieved. Yes. Yes, me too. And I know this through and through because I've practiced it many times,

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but here we go. So my sources for today. It's a podcast episode from Stuff You Missed in History

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Class. A podcast episode from You Must Remember This, which we love that one. We love Bower.

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Yeah, we love both of those. But Karina Longworth is on the Dana Schwartz level of podcast voices

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where you're like, your voice is like a blanket that's holding me tight and safe. I'm like,

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this is magical. Please tell me stories forever. Please. I'll listen to anything. Anything. So,

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yeah, check it out. History.com article written by History.com editors. That's all it said, which

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I'm sure they have real names, but they did not provide them. And last but not least, an Oprah

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Daily article written by not Oprah, actually written by Samantha Vincente. It was just funny to me.

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It's Oprah Daily. She's not writing this article. That was unexpected. I know. I know. Maybe it's

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just Samantha Vincente who was interested, but perhaps Oprah was also interested in this. Maybe.

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So, we will find out. And then trigger warning for this. I discuss a little bit about domestic

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violence and suicide. Of course, I do not go into detail, but I just would like you to know ahead

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of time. And now we are here in Hollywood. It is now 1853 in the part of Hollywood, California,

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that is not Hollywood yet, but is a part of California. It's just a little piece of land.

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I mean, it's not a little piece of land, but it's a piece of land that just has a little adobe hut

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and then like rolling hills, trees, and then to the west is the ocean. It's just small.

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Eventually, over the next few decades, this area becomes an agricultural community

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called Cahuenga Valley. And if you're familiar with Los Angeles, you'll recognize the name Cahuenga.

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It is a huge boulevard through Los Angeles that has been around since, well, since the beginning,

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the very, very beginning. In 1883, a prohibitionist from Kansas, his name is Harvey Wilcox,

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he moved out west with his second wife, Diada, and they purchased 150 acres of land west of

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Hollywood. And he was trying his hand at ranching. It did not go so well. So, four years later in

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1887, he filed plans with Los Angeles County to subdivide the land. And this is where homes

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start popping up, but it becomes a real community with people, not just farming or ranching.

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By 1902, a real estate magnate named H.J. Whitley, who is known as the father of Hollywood,

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he transforms this land into a wealthy and popular residential area, which is more of what we know

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today. So by 1902, when he moves in, this small town already has a post office, a market, a livery,

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and a streetcar. Cute. Cute. But when he moves in, he adds more to it, including a hotel,

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which is called the Hollywood Hotel. And the site of this hotel is now the site of the Dolby

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Theater, which hosts the Oscars annually. So, so the original Hollywood, O.G. Hollywood, like this

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is the beginning. By 1903, Hollywood becomes a municipality, but due to issues within like its

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sewage system and many other things, they can't really like be on their own. So 1910, it is incorporated

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into Los Angeles, so it's just absorbed. And then Harvey Wilcox, when he first moved in,

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way back in 1883, he built a road and named it Prospect Avenue, but this road is now renamed

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Hollywood Boulevard. I know that place. You know that place. You know it and I know it.

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As far as the name Hollywood, however, where did that come from? It's been disputed. There's

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actually several different versions of where it came about. One of the biggest iterations is

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Diada Wilcox. When she and Harvey moved in, she named their ranch Hollywood after Hollywood,

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Illinois, which is a train station they passed while traveling to California. That's cute.

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Or another one being H.J. Whitley, naming it after the holly trees that grew rampant in Santa

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Monica Mountains. That does make sense. That makes sense too. Yeah, either one, it's like,

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hey, they both sound cute. But Hollywood, much like the area, it came from a humble beginning

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and has really just grown into this elite upper class. Now it's crazy town. Crazy town. Hollywood

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is known for crazy town, but it used to be just literally just a mint hollywood. It's all it was.

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We like these trees. These trees. They're great. So from there on, the film industry moved in.

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And you're wondering why they're, I mean, I'm sure we all have wondered that. And guess what?

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It's because of Thomas Edison. Wow. If I knew that, which I don't think I did, I forgot it,

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but that's interesting. Really interesting. And it's kind of like the like Monty Python's,

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you never expect the Spanish Inquisition. You never expect Thomas Edison. You don't.

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You really don't. He just kind of shows up and he's like light bulbs. He's like, I'm gonna take

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credit for everything. Pretty much. And he's like, and if you're going to talk to me about Tesla,

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I will not have it. Tesla's like, Hey, I actually started hollywood. Hey, I love pigeons. He loved

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pigeons. He's like, look, I'm David Bowie. I'm David Bowie and I do not drive a Tesla. Okay. So

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hollywood was an ideal place to produce movies because they would not be sued for infringing

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on motion picture film patents held by Thomas Edison. Did you know he held patents? No, I was

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like, this guy, what I know about him, it's, you know, very vague of what I've learned throughout,

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like history class, and then the Simpsons episode where Homer invented something,

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and then he left it at the Thomas Edison Museum. And then the money for this invention went to the

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Thomas Edison family. The more I learn about Thomas Edison, the less I like him. Yes, that is

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actually, we should do a story on him sometime. And we're like, this guy, what's his deal? What?

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He made electricity. No, he didn't invent it. He didn't make electricity. What if, sorry, I

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am like, for me this right now, what if we did an Edison versus Tesla? Yes. I think there's also,

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do you know of on YouTube, they have the, the rap battles? I think there's one. Isn't there,

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I think there's a movie too that has like, Benedict Cumberbatch and Nicholas Holt. I forget who plays

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who, but I hope Benedict Cumberbatch plays Tesla because he's got a Tesla face. It makes more sense.

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What if someone just looked at you and said, you have a Tesla face? I mean, forever in my mind,

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Tesla looks like David Bowie because of the prestige. Because also David Bowie is,

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should, is David Bowie should be everything. I can't even finish the sentence. I'm like, David Bowie

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is everything. I just want to say we, we haven't had that much of our old fashions. This is just,

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this is just normal. This is normal us. Yeah. Anyway, sorry, I got you off. Yeah, no, it's okay.

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So Thomas Edison, who's just trying to throw a wrench in the movie industry, but they were like,

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nope, we're going to California. So Edison owned the motion pictures patent company. And for some

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reason, this did not extend to California. So a lot of these movie film industries or like

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companies were like, Hey, we can go out there and we're, we're good to go. And as you know,

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California, especially Southern California, it's warm, predictably sunny, and it has a diverse

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terrain for movie backdrops. You can literally be on Mars, you can be in the old West, you can be in

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the tropics. The tropics. I mean, literally every movie that has ever been made for the past like

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last 50 years. It's been there. Anyway, by 1908, the first film completed was the Count of Monte

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Cristo, although this movie started production in Chicago, it was finished in Hollywood. And then

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the first film made entirely in Hollywood was in 1910, which was a short film called In Old

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California, which is funny, because that's what they became. They were inside old California.

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Funny. They're like, we're in New California. But now we're like, no, it was old. They're like,

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it's a prophecy. It's a prophecy. By 1911, the first movie studio appeared on Sunset Boulevard.

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And by 1915, many major motion picture companies relocated from the East Coast. And last but not

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least about our little Hollywood segue before getting into like the crux of the story, you cannot

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think about Hollywood without thinking of the sign. True. And the sign is funny because it

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originally was not even supposed to be a thing, but now it is the it is the thing. Yeah. When you

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think of Hollywood, that's what you think. That's what you think. Yeah. When you fly into LA, every

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time I'm like, if I have a window seat, I'm always like, can I see it? Can I see it? So the

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original sign read 1923. That is not what it read. The original sign, they're like, turns out this

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isn't very long lasting. Right. The original sign said Hollywood land. And it was erected in 1923.

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And it was built by this Losh, my gosh, we start over. It was erected in 1923. And it was erected

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by a Los Angeles Times publisher and real estate developer. His name is Harry Chandler. And at the

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time it costs about $21,000 to make. And today's money, it's about 300,000 for this sign on the

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hill. Each original letter was 30 feet wide and 43 feet tall and attached to telephone poles to

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keep it upright. The sign was automated and timed with flashing lights. 4,000 light bulbs

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illuminated the massive marquee. First the holly lit up, then the wood, then the land. The sign was

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only supposed to last one and a half years. It was supposed to draw people to this real estate

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development cell houses and be gone. But so many people like, I mean, it was like, it literally

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was the glitz and glamour of what they were creating. They're like, we got to keep it.

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However, the Great Depression took a toll on the sign. It started to deteriorate. The H fell off

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by the late 1940s. It started to read, Hollywood land. It's my land. Oh yeah, only the land.

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The Hollywood Chamber of Commerce took over maintenance in 1949. And they took off the land.

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It was easier to maintain with just Hollywood. And it's not like people refer to it as Hollywood

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land. It was Hollywood. And then by the 70s, it really fell into disrepair. And I will share

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pictures on our Instagram. It looks a little creepy. I can't even imagine, I think it was 1973

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to 1978. It was really sad looking. And I can't even imagine if you were a tourist, you're like,

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this is my time to go to Hollywood. You visit, you look at the sign and you're like, I'm scared.

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Take me home. I don't know if you noticed, but when you said it, it looked kind of creepy. My face

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just went up and I was like, you're in the right place. It's really, really disturbing looking.

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And it's so many letters fell down. And it was made out of wood before they refurbished it in 1978.

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But it was like, this is very disturbing. When you look up at the hill, you're like,

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I am uncomfortable. Why is it like that? The 70s were a hard time, I guess, for everyone.

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We weren't there, but I wouldn't want to be. No, I mean, there were like, I would love to like,

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do like a time travel afternoon. Yes. But to visit. But this, if this Hollywood sign

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sums up how rough the 70s were, well, you just got to see it to believe it. They're like, look,

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serial killers are everywhere. Everyone's feeling creeped out. We might as well reflect it with

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the sign. Right. Look at the sign and feel sad. But also, as of this year, the Hollywood land sign

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is 100 years old. Yeah, that's cool. So, oh yeah, because 1923, 1923, it's having a little anniversary.

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Cute. Yeah. We should go there. We will podcast for Otr. Okay. Okay. So now that we have established

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Old Hollywood and the sign, it is time to talk about Peg and Twistle. So we are going across the pond

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to Britain back to 1908, back when Hollywood completed its first film. And it's February 5,

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1908, and Millicent, Lillian and Twistle was born in Port Talbot, Glamorgan, Wales.

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Two English parents, Emily and Robert, who are also stage actors. So despite being born in

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Wales, she's not Welsh. She is English. And soon after her birth, they go back to West Kensington,

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London, where they're living. And that's where she spent the first few years of her life.

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When she was just two years old, her parents divorced. And when she was five, Peg and her

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father emigrated to New York in 1913. So he was a stage actor. But after just a minor stint on

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Broadway, he retired from acting, got remarried and opened a store in Manhattan selling custom

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gift boxes. This store was called Box Mart, which is kind of cute and very modern sounding.

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Yeah. And they're like, this is what we sell. This is what we sell. I googled it and it's still a

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store. I don't think it's related, but it's a store in the UK today, kind of like a Walmart.

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But despite this box Mart sounding so simple, it was actually very upscale. And you even had to

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schedule time with him to even have him in the store with you to make the box. Like rich people

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and their boxes. And he knew it and he made very good money. So he was doing well for himself.

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Yeah. So despite Robert retiring from acting, Peg was bitten by the acting bug right away.

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She developed her own dreams of acting on stage. And by 1921, she was a preteen. She

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saw the play, Peg o' my heart on Broadway. And when she was, you know, watching it,

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she was so enthralled. And afterward she insisted her friends and family start calling her Peg.

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That is so cute and such a teenage girl move. Right. Yeah. And such a theater kid move. Oh,

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for sure. She's like, I am now Peg. Which I mean, she was Millicent Lillian before. I don't know if

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they called her Millicent or Millie. The podcast stuff you missed in history class. One of her

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nick things growing up was Babs, which I mean, like, I don't know how you get Babs from Millicent.

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I don't know. That's more like the name for Barbara. Yeah. But she was all about that short

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name. Must be just like one of those weird family names that happens. Probably. Yeah. She went from

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Millicent to Babs to Peg. So now she is Peg for good. So Peg was determined to be successful

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in her acting career. And she felt that she's living in Manhattan. She's close to Broadway.

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Her father had been somewhat successful. It's inevitable. This is going to happen. However,

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her life and her Broadway goals are uprooted just a year later after her stepmother dies

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unexpectedly to an illness. And her father was killed following a hit and run accident in Manhattan.

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So she and her two much younger half brothers moved to Ohio to live with her father's brother

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and his wife. And then not so long after that, her four year old brother became ill. And this is

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1923. Doctors recommend a move to warmer climate. So the whole family relocates from Ohio to Los

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Angeles and more specifically Beachwood Canyon, which is right next to the Hollywood Hills.

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So Hollywood, it's 1923. It's now rampant with would be film stars. They're lured by this promise

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of being rich and famous. Kind of like a proverbial gold rush, you know, who's gonna, who's gonna get

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the success. However, it's becoming more noticeable that it's not successful for everyone. It's a

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little few and far between even now. And I feel like it's just like either who you know, you're

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there at the right time. Yeah, or maybe now you're a nepo baby. Yeah, that's the new thing.

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So when Peg and her family moved into Los Angeles, the sign had not been built yet, but it was being

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built that year. And it said during her first summer break in California, Peg at one point was

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practicing a play on the front porch of her family's Beachwood Canyon home. And she was rudely

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interrupted by the sound of trucks and tractors carrying what would become the letters of the

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Hollywood sign. Could you even imagine like history is right out your front door? Oh man.

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And you're like, you're like, get out here. I'm busy. And then she's like, wait, this is my dream.

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This is my dream. So despite being so close to the heart of the film industry, Peg was focused on

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the dream of being a New York stage star. She seemed impervious to the allure of Hollywood,

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which I mean, like good for her. I feel like that would be hard to ignore, especially at her age.

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But she felt like she just did not fit in. She was British. She had an English accent.

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She was in the middle of the Wild West literally. So she stuck it out in LA for two years.

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And by 1925, she returned to the East Coast. And at first she was lured to Boston

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with the promise of a six month contract with an acting repertory. By January 1926,

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17 year old Betty Davis watched Peg on stage playing Hedwig in the Boston production

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of Henrik Ibsen's The Wild Duck. That's right. Right. Yeah. Which is so cool. And Betty over

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the span of her career repeated that Peg's performance ultimately made her decide to

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become an actress. Which I mean, could you even? I know. I love Betty. I know me too. She's so rad.

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So Peg, despite her success in Boston, she had a grueling schedule. She did 12 performances a week.

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And eventually even at her young age, she burnt out. So she quit the repertory, moved back to

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New York, and she quickly found work on Broadway. And she managed to have moderate success.

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By early 1927, the New York Times profiled her as the new It Girl of the Stage. And by spring of

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1927, she fell in love and married a fellow actor named Robert Keith. Two first names.

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Two first names. Which I mean, if that's good or bad, I don't know, but it's not, he's not great.

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So Robert was 10 years her senior and they married after dating four days. Oh my gosh.

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Wow. Red flag. I don't do that. Don't do that. Even if it's the most amazing person in the world,

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please don't get married right away. What? I feel like by today's standards, like me and Roman

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didn't date as long as a lot of people, but four days. Never in my life. No. No. Never.

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But it didn't matter because Peg was happy. However, just two days after getting married,

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Peg was sitting with her new mother-in-law in her new home and she asked about the picture

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of the young boy on the piano. Peg's mother-in-law said, why, that's Bob. That's your husband's

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little boy. No. No. I knew it was going to happen. Yeah. You never expect Thomas Edison,

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but you should expect your four-day dating husband to have baggage. Yeah. Why does he want to get

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married that fast? Exactly. So, yeah, Peg was not aware that her husband had a little boy or even

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an ex-wife. Turns out Robert Keith falsified their marriage certificate, stating that he was single.

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He did not indicate that he was divorced. And eventually his red flags became more apparent

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as he brought to the marriage a history of debts. He owed so much in alimony and a series of arrests

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because he's not paying alimony. It's like, oh no, Robert. And to top it all off, as soon as they

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got married, he ceased working altogether so that Peg could support not just them,

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but also his mother who moved in with him. Oh, God. Yeah. Turns out 1927 guys that are terrible

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are not too different from 2023 guys that are terrible. Yeah. Like, I literally love my in-laws

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so much, but to think that like they would move in like right after we got married, man. And you

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had to support them financially? Like, if they did it now, like I would be fine with it, but like

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a week after you get married or something. You're like, no. Oh gosh, that's creepy. Or two days after,

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in fact. Oh, it wasn't even a week. Oh my gosh. Just poor girl. Okay, so in addition to this,

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Robert became physically abusive. One night he drunkenly attacked her, ripping out pieces of

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her hair. Oh, God. Yeah. Finally, by 1929, Peg is granted a divorce citing mental anguish in the

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court papers. Robert Keith remarried for a third time before their divorce was finalized.

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So he has a pattern. He's got a pattern. Robert Keith, we hope you made it to therapy. Why do you

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have two first names? First of all, why is your last name Keith? In addition to all of this, Peg

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realized the New York Theatre Company was effectively shutting her out due to the association with her

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ex-husband because she was creating drama, not her own drama. It was her husband making the

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life miserable. So they blacklisted her from pursuing stage acting going forward. Poor Peg.

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Poor Peg. Because of this, she moves back to Los Angeles with her tail between her legs,

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moving into an apartment near her family's home. For the next few months of living on the West Coast,

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she was notably depressed, which I do not blame her at all. Family members noticed she stopped

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talking altogether. Oh, man. Yeah. But she was given a ray of hope. Peg was invited to play

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the detective's love interest in the stage adaption of Sherlock Holmes. And it would be this tour

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that would get her back out of Los Angeles because it was going to tour the East Coast and the Midwest.

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And when it ended, she joined a repertory in Maine at an exclusive resort. And she stayed there for

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two summers, which a summer resort in Maine signed me up. I know. It sounds nice. It sounds so nice.

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So from there, she went back to New York and was given the opportunity to

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play in the stage adaption of Little Women. Who did you play? I actually didn't look it up. I

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realized now I was like, oh, no, we should look it up. Yeah, we should. Because we have the power to pause.

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I'm like, what if she was Amy? That'd be so cute. That would be cute. I feel like

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maybe Meg? Oh, I could definitely see Meg. I can also see Joe. Yeah. I mean, she's,

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I literally put in Peg and it was a little it was a little. Maybe it's because I couldn't find it.

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If we can't find it, we'll just cast her in our mind. Yeah, we've got to find it at some point.

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I think that was the problem. I think at one point I did search for it, but it's also the 30s and

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yeah, and that's also stage acting. So it's like their records are probably not as good as

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well acting. We'll just pretend. We'll pretend. Who did you cast her as? Meg. Meg. She would have

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been pretty young. So she would have been in her early 20s. She could have been. They were all

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pretty young. Yeah. I could, I'm gonna say that she was either Meg or Beth.

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Yeah. I feel like she's got the wistfulness and the sadness of Beth. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So we're

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going back, back to Peg. After the little women opportunity, she was given a few more opportunities

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in New York, even though they were small. However, she was asked to move back to Los Angeles to try

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out for a role in a play called Mad Hopes. She auditioned for the part of the ingenue,

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received rare reviews, and even started dating her co-star Humphrey Bogart. Oh,

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it seemed things had really turned around for her. When the Mad Hopes LA run ended, they offered the

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role on Broadway to her the following September. And it was because of this Mad Hopes show in LA

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that caught the eye of the casting office of RKO Pictures. Ultimately, it led to just a single

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picture contract with RKO and it was a film titled 13 Women, which I'm, you know, you're familiar

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with that. Yeah. I've never seen it. It sounds a little out there, especially when it's a white

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actress playing an Indian woman. Yeah. Myrna Loy. We love her, but she is white. Wasn't Joan Crawford

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in that too? Or am I thinking of something else? You're thinking, yeah, you're thinking of the women.

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Oh, yeah. Which they're both like heavily. Yeah, I think it's because Karina Longworth talked about

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both of those. Yeah. And the women as much as a bigger, like a bigger, like what am I trying to say?

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It has more people who are actually interested in seeing it. Gotcha. 13 women is like people are

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like, this is not good. The women is actually well done and well made. Yeah. Okay. So 13 Women

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was not the best film to be cast in for your, your only picture contract with RKO.

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Peg's part was Hazel Clay Cousins, which was a character that had 16 minutes of screen time

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that was shredded and cut down to just four minutes after production. The problem wasn't her

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performance, of course, but it was a perceived violation of the motion picture production

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code known as the Hayes Code, which the Hayes Code was conceived by former Postmaster General

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Will Hayes in an attempt to make Hollywood wholesome and clean. So Peg not only had her part

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nearly cut out of the film, but because she did this, she broke her theatrical contract with

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Broadway and she was dropped from Mad Hopes in New York. So it's like this little glimmer of

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something involves into nothing. Yeah. And two weeks after the filming of the movie RKO declined

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to extend Peg's contract. So sad. So sad. So on September 16th, 1932, two days after news broke

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that RKO dropped Peg and that, and it made the papers, which is so sad that everyone is seeing

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this, Peg told her uncle she was going to the drugstore to and to see some friends right after.

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By the next morning, she still hadn't come home. Her family started to worry after she had been

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gone, been gone especially 24 hours. And then 24 hours after that, with her still missing,

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the LAPD got a report from a woman who stumbled across a woman's jacket and purse while hiking

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near the Hollywood land to sign. This woman supposedly looked down from where she found these

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items, saw a body at the bottom of the hill and decided she, I mean, she was the only one up there,

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she had to make that call. This anonymous color dropped the woman's things on the steps of the

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Hollywood Police Department. Inside the purse, the police discovered a note and this is very sad.

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The note reads or read, I am afraid I am a coward. I am sorry for everything. If I had a

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long time ago, it would have saved a lot of pain. Signed PE. So sad. The police rushed to the base

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of the Hollywood sign and there they found a female body. The detectives concluded this woman

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climbed up the 45 foot ladder behind the H of the Hollywood land sign and jumped. She was just 24

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years old. Oh my gosh, she's a baby. Such a baby. What's and also what's really sad is they figured

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that from the trajectory because I mean they found her, she had already died and she had many

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broken bones, but she had broken her pelvis first. So she didn't even die immediately. She probably

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suffered. Yeah. And it's just like, oh, that just breaks my heart. And also her speaking from experience.

388
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Oh, that's right. I have also fractured my pelvis and several places. I can confirm it is excruciating.

389
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It's excruciating. Thankfully, you had a recovery. Yeah. Oh gosh, poor thing. Yeah, this is, it's just

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so sad. So at first, the police had no way of identifying the body as the purse did not have

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anything other than the note. They ran a new story where they described her features and

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they asked the public for help. Peg's family saw the story and they knew it was her. Her uncle went

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to the morgue to identify her remains and the detective wrote up cause of death being

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suicide by despondency. Many dispute that the claim she was despondent was due to her failed

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film career as she wanted to be a Broadway star. So it really makes sense to them.

396
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Reporters used this failed film career as basically fodder for selling papers about

397
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the failed Hollywood aspirant and there's so many of them out there and this is what can,

398
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you know, it will chew you up and spit you out. So you're saying nothing's changed. So nothing is

399
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so Hollywood is the same. But yes, but really, that was not the full story for her. No, she was

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a theatrical actress at heart. She was moderately successful in New York. But because of the theater

401
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guild being upset with breaking her contract and with her past with being associated with her

402
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loser of a ex husband, New York Repertories finally ultimately blackballed her from her

403
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one true love. So it was she felt like she couldn't go back. Yeah. In addition to this,

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her New York apartment which she had been trying to keep afloat had been seized in lieu of back rent.

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So all of her clothes, furniture and items from her childhood were gone.

406
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And yet another example of her unfortunate poor timing, it said that pegs uncle received a letter

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from RKO Studios shortly after her death, offering her another film role. No. Yeah, it's just I mean

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like obviously I don't think that's the only reason no that she was depressed. But it's still

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so sad that maybe that would have given her a little glimmer of hope. Yeah. And this is just

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really like hammers home. Please take care of your mental health. And if you are friends or family

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of someone you recognize that is suffering from depression, anxiety, get them help but also don't

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be a jerk about it. Yeah. But if you can please help your friends and please take care of yourself

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because it is so so important. Let's see. So her ashes were interred with her fathers at the Oak

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Hill Cemetery in Springdale, Ohio. However, it wasn't until 2010 that her grave was even marked.

415
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And I'm not sure why it took so long. Yeah. But in 2021, in Port Talbot in Wales, there was a

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mural that appeared for her, which was really nice. Oh, that's sweet. I put podcast road trip.

417
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Yeah. Let's go see pegs mural in Wales. We're gonna go to LA. We're gonna go to Wales. We're gonna

418
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we're gonna do it all. So some little like interesting side pieces not to like end it on such a

419
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:39,280
really sad note. There have been many pieces of media that have been created from this story or

420
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inspired by peg story. Many speculated that the 1977 Steely Dan song peg was about her. However,

421
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it was finally like, I can't even think of the word. They're basically like, no, it's not that.

422
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But it can't even think of what that word is. But Steely Dan co founder Donald Fagan said that

423
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there's no hidden meaning behind the song. They just needed a short name. I'm like, well, that's

424
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:16,320
true. That is funny. There was a 2017 film called Hollywood Girl, the peg and whistle story made

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about her last days of her life. There was a mini series on Netflix called Hollywood,

426
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where it was about a fictional production of a film called Meg. And then it was about the actress's

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career and apparent suicide. There was another film that some people felt might have been inspired

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by her, which was not too long after her death. And it was stage door starring Catherine Hepburn.

429
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Oh, yeah. Which is interesting because Catherine Hepburn and peg, they really circled each other's

430
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:54,320
lives. They had really similar interests in Broadway. And then Catherine Hepburn really wanted to

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move on to the film industry. And there was one role that RKO pictures pushed to giving peg even

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before Peg got her her chance with RKO. And they ultimately went with Catherine Hepburn. So it's

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interesting if she had received that role, if she would have changed. I think it was the Bill of

434
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Disp. Divorcement. I looked it up. And Billy Burke was the main character. Billy Burke played

435
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the good witch of the yeah, in Wizard of Oz. And so it's like people were like, okay, well,

436
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:34,880
Peg looks even more like Billy than Catherine Hepburn. Like this is perfect. But I think it was

437
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George Cook or somebody. He just really went with Catherine Hepburn. So who would have known? I don't

438
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:47,520
know. And then finally, the song Lusts for Life by Lana Del Rey has a reference to Antwistle.

439
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I immediately thought of it. Right. Exactly. The song includes the lyrics as climbing up to the

440
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age of the Hollywood sign. And then the music video shows Lana Del Rey and the weekend dancing

441
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:04,960
atop the age of the Hollywood sign, which is actually a really nice song. It's I mean, Lusts

442
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for Life is sadly that's something that Peg did not have. But it's towards the end. Yeah. But I mean,

443
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like, you know, it's it's nice to keep her in mind. I would like to see if there's even like a clip of

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13 women to to like even see her and like hear her voice. Yeah, that'd be cool. But that's the story

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of early Hollywood and actress Peg and Twistle. Well, that was very interesting and very sad.

446
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:39,680
Thank you. Also, my story is going to mirror that as well. But let us take a quick break.

447
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Let's take a breather. For sure. Okay. So before I get into my story, I just need to do a little,

448
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we're gonna call it a curious correction from my class. I like that. So Drew asked me during my

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story if the Kickapoo tribe was a real tribe and I said no. And as soon as I said it, I thought to

450
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myself this doesn't sound right. But I did not correct myself. And so I looked it up. The Kickapoo

451
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:18,800
tribe is indeed a real tribe and I am very sorry for misleading anyone. That was nice. But I just

452
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misunderstood what I heard on the podcast that I listened to. And then I thought about it some

453
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more. I was like, no, you idiot, they're real. They're real. They're like, not only are we real,

454
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but you are disgracing us. No, you didn't disgrace them. The people naming their fake medicine after

455
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:45,280
that. You were telling me I was a disgrace. No, sorry. I was like, I know. I'm so sorry. I was like,

456
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you are a disgrace. But I look at what your face is actually the face of a medicine bottle from the

457
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1800s. Okay, I will get into my topic now, which is also about a tragic woman, although a more

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well known woman. And that is Marie Antoinette. And I just have to preface this by saying,

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I have been obsessed with Marie Antoinette since I was like, seven years old. I don't know how I

460
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like first learned about her. But I know when I was young, there was this Royal Diaries series that

461
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it was about different queens and princesses. Is that a book series? It is. I read that too.

462
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Yes. They had one that had like Cleopatra. Yes. And Marie Antoinette and Cleopatra

463
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were my favorite, but I became obsessed with Marie Antoinette specifically. And I would like play

464
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princesses with my friends, but like Marie Antoinette. And I always wanted to be her. I didn't

465
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know that she died. But you also were probably like justice for Marie Antoinette. Yeah, I didn't

466
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know at first that she died. But then even when I found out I was still like, Hey, I know she

467
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didn't deserve it. No, she did not. And then when the Sophia Coppola movie came out, I very

468
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:11,200
vividly remember the Vogue issue with Kirsten Dunst dressed up as Marie Antoinette and it was

469
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:17,040
life changing. You're like, this is everything. I want this to be my aesthetic. It is a good one

470
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:22,240
too. And I'm also currently wearing a Marie Antoinette shirt. Dear listener, if you could see

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Olivia's shirt, it is amazing. Describe it. It's like reminiscent of like,

472
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:33,520
like the sex pistols. But I was gonna say sex pistols, but I was also gonna say, um,

473
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:42,880
my gosh, brain, what's it called? Like the clash. The clash. Yeah. So it's like vintage 70s London,

474
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:48,320
but it's her face and she's black and white. But then over her eyes is let them and over her mouth

475
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:53,920
is cake, which is pretty awesome. I think it's supposed to be like the sex pistols God Save

476
00:53:53,920 --> 00:54:00,160
the Queen. Oh, yes, it is. Yeah. But um, yes, I found this shirt recently because literally

477
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:06,080
God should have saved the Queen. Yeah. Poor Queen. But also, the peasants just shouldn't have,

478
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:09,840
you know what? I'm not going to blame the peasants. I'm going to blame the revolutionaries. I think

479
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:16,880
everyone needed to come to like a nice bonfire. Let's talk this out. Yeah. Everyone, you know,

480
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,800
have a, you know, like a couple drinks, just like, what are we, what's happening here? Yeah. Let's

481
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figure something out. They did not do that. They did not. They stormed the Bastille and it was over.

482
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:30,160
But before we get to that part, we have to talk about Marie's early life. Yeah. Okay. So let me,

483
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,960
I'm totally distracting. I'm sorry. That's okay. I mean, I feel like most people know the general

484
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,360
parts of her story. So we're just going to fill in some gaps. Yeah, let's go. Let's go there.

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So Marie was the 11th daughter of Holy Roman Emperor Francis the first and Maria Theresa.

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And she was born on the 2nd of November, 1755 in Vienna, Austria. And she was born as Maria Antonia.

487
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And as a child, she was an accomplished musician and sang during family gatherings. And she was

488
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said to have a lovely singing voice. She excelled at dancing and had exquisite poise and love dolls.

489
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She sounds like a lovely little girl. Yes. And she had many siblings, but she was specifically

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close with her sister, Maria Carolina, who was three years older than her. And she had a lifelong

491
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:33,120
close relationship. And she also had a loving but a somewhat difficult relationship with her mother.

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And she referred to Marie as the little madam Antoine, which I think is kind of cute, but also

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kind of condescending at the same time. Yeah. And she was also very affected by the death of her

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older sister, Maria Josepha, who died from smallpox during the epidemic in October, 1767.

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So she had some good times in her childhood, but she also had some sadness and some deaths in the

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family. But she overall had what seemed like a lovely childhood. And then when she was set to

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marry Louis the 16th, before they would marry, she, his father sent Matthew Jacques de Vermont to

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tutor her. And he noted that her character and her heart were excellent, but said that she was

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rather more intelligent than generally supposed because she is extremely frivolous, very lazy and

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00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:42,880
hard to teach. She's too smart for her own good. Like she's very smart, but she's a little lazy and

501
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,920
frivolous. I actually relate to that. Not that I'm saying that I was smart in school. I just meant

502
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that I did not try hard enough because I was like, I don't want to be here. I know. Not because I'm

503
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:59,600
too smart, just because I don't want to be here. Yeah. Like I, I don't mind being a little frivolous.

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And when she was 13 years old, she was married to Dauphin Louis, the grandson of Louis the 15th,

505
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on May 16th, 1770. And the reaction to their marriage was mixed because there was already

506
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a stigma that came with being Austrian. The French people didn't think well of the Austrians,

507
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:29,440
especially Vienna. I think they're great. I think they're great too. Have you heard of Mozart?

508
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:38,640
Actually, she met Mozart when she was a child. Oh, so this is my little sidebar for a moment.

509
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Okay. I just watched the 30 Rock episode where they reference Mozart and Sallieri.

510
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Uh-huh. And Frank and Tracy are talking and Tracy's talking about his genius and he's like,

511
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I'm Mozart and you are the guy that was jealous of Mozart and Frank says, Sallieri. Tracy says,

512
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no, thank you. I just ate. It's so silly. But I'm like, man, I love 30 Rock. I mean,

513
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:18,000
that's a great comeback honestly. Oh no. Okay. So even though there is... Austrians are good.

514
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Austrians are good. The French didn't think that. And even though there was a mixed reaction,

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00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:30,720
the Dauphin being Marie Antoinette was very beautiful and very likable. So initially,

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00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:37,840
people had a good response to her because she was just young and sweet and very lovely and seemed

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like she was a vivacious, friendly person. Although the Queen spent heavily on fashion,

518
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:53,280
luxuries, and gambling and Rose... Because she could. She could. Yeah. Because she was frivolous.

519
00:58:53,280 --> 00:59:00,320
Yeah. But she was also smart. Yeah. And Rose Bertin created dresses for her and hairstyles

520
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:05,520
such as poufs, which is what she's famous for. And if you see any portrait of Marie Antoinette

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00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:11,440
or any iteration of her, that is the pouf what she has on her head. And they would be up to

522
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:17,680
90 centimeters high. That is amazing. I know. The fact that they could... That's why their

523
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:22,880
doorways were so tall. They were so tall and the fact that they could walk gracefully with such a

524
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:30,480
huge thing on their head. I strong neck muscles. Yeah. Good thing she was graceful. I like,

525
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:37,040
remember when I talked about tripping while going up the stairs? I could not have a pouf on my head.

526
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:43,680
Your hair would topple over. Yeah. As a result, Marie had one of the most fashionable and important

527
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:49,440
courts in history. I think a lot of people when they think of Marie Antoinette think of her fashion

528
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:55,360
partly because of the portraits of her and I'm sure also partly because of Sophia Coppola's

529
00:59:55,360 --> 01:00:04,240
iteration of Marie. Yes. She also had the misfortune of having a timid, inattentive, and slightly

530
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:12,160
awkward husband. And Louis the 16th's inability to consummate the marriage made others... I know.

531
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:16,640
Sorry. Sorry. We got to talk about it. No, it's just funny. The sound I just made, I was like,

532
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:26,720
ugh, poor guy. He's like, hey, we all have trouble. I don't know what I'm talking about. I actually

533
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:36,080
read something that said that... He was shy. It was, he was not very motivated and she was

534
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:42,240
uninterested. Yeah. So they probably were like, what if we just played cards? They're like, look,

535
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:47,440
we got married when we were teenagers. So they were not married each other because they liked

536
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:54,560
each other so much. It was a political move. Right. So those who might inherit the throne

537
01:00:54,560 --> 01:01:00,320
got greedy and they began to spread rumors of affairs, including the affair of the diamond

538
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:08,720
necklace where Marie was wrongly accused of having an affair with a cardinal. And I will not get into

539
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:14,240
this whole thing because it is a very long and intricate plot, but there is a great episode

540
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:22,720
of noble blood where she goes into the whole plot of the diamond necklace and placing the blame on

541
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:31,040
Marie and trying to, they're trying to get rich and also trying to insinuate that there was an

542
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:38,160
affair between this cardinal and Marie. I remember that episode and it was good. It is big. It's,

543
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,440
Dana Schwartz gives it in such a way that it's like you're on the edge of your seat.

544
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:51,840
It's one of the sillier episodes, even though ultimately it is one of many things that went

545
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:58,160
into people destroying Marie's reputation. Yeah. Because even though the people who were involved

546
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:03,440
the plot were charged, there were still people who believed that she had an affair with the

547
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:12,000
cardinal and that she was trying to defraud this jewelry company. No. No. So in 1778,

548
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:19,360
Marie finally gave birth to a daughter, Marie Therese Charlotte, followed by her first born son,

549
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:28,880
Louis. And in 1782, after the governess, I went to a little British Ag, my governess, the governess

550
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:38,240
of the royal children. Her name was Princess de Guémenet. I haven't spoke French in a long time,

551
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:43,680
so I'm sorry. She went bankrupt and resigned and then Marie appointed a favor of hers,

552
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:50,400
Duchess de Pont-Lenyac, to the position. And this was another controversial move, even though it

553
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:55,680
doesn't seem to us like it would be because people thought that the Duchess was from too

554
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:04,240
humble of origins to be in the position. It's like this weird mixture of people being upset with Marie

555
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:12,400
because she spent so lavishly, but then also she was very kind to people of lower station

556
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:21,840
and she even would like help children along the roadside. If she saw children who were begging,

557
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:30,000
she would stop and help them and would offer to pay their way in school. So it's that's really

558
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:39,840
sweet. Like she couldn't win. No. And then Count Axel von Fernsson was accepted into the Queen's

559
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:46,480
private society when he returned from America in 1783 and there were rumors of an affair between

560
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:53,120
him and the Queen, but most of their correspondence has been lost or destroyed over time. And on the

561
01:03:53,120 --> 01:04:01,440
27th of March 1785, Marie gave birth to her second son, Louis Charles, and it's very confusing because

562
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:06,960
she has two sons named Louis and her husband's name is Louis, so get used to that. So they were

563
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:12,640
like, so we're going to call them Charles. Yeah. I see. I do wonder that if they went by middle names.

564
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:18,240
Oh, they were like, Louis, no, not you. No, you. Other Louis. That Louis. Nope, not your dad. That one.

565
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:26,240
And Louis was born nine months after Count Fernsson's return. So it was speculated that

566
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:34,320
the child was his. But a couple of her biographers, Antonia Frazier and Stefan Zwieg,

567
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:40,720
believe that Louis, her husband was in fact the father, but they also believe that Antoinette and

568
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:49,600
Fernsson were involved in an affair, but that he was not Louis's father because there was a conjugal

569
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:54,880
interaction between Louis and Marie at the time, so it is perfectly reasonable that he would have

570
01:04:54,880 --> 01:05:00,880
been the father. Right. But this didn't matter because Marie was already being libeled in court

571
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:09,200
and was declining in popularity and public opinion. And around this time, there were pamphlets that

572
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:16,160
were put out that were farcical portraits of sexual deviancy of the royals, but especially the queen,

573
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:24,000
no matter what it was about the royals, Marie was always the one that got the Brent of the libel.

574
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:32,080
And the Portafoye d'Antoine Rouge was one of the first to put out political statements

575
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:38,000
about immoral practices of the queen and those at court. She was also the perfect target because

576
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:44,720
France still didn't think much of Austrians, and so her heritage was blamed for her alleged

577
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:49,120
immoral behavior. So they were like, oh, it's just like an Austrian or a German thing.

578
01:05:49,120 --> 01:06:00,080
Why did France think so much of themselves? I don't know. That's a whole thing.

579
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:07,280
That's a whole thing. That was more of a, what's it called? Geez.

580
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:11,360
I don't know. Rhetorical? Rhetorical question. Yeah. But that's always been the thing. I mean,

581
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:17,280
like, France is better today, but historically, France has always been like, oh, we're French.

582
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:22,880
The end. That's it. Yeah. That's the funny thing about a lot of these political alliances between

583
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:30,560
different royal families is like, they're doing it so they can unite their countries and create

584
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:42,480
alliances. Justicly. Essentially. Yeah. But then the people, like the common folk of the country have

585
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:50,960
this bias against them. And so it never goes as they think it's going to go. No.

586
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:58,800
And then finally, that should be like the tagline for history. This never goes the way you think it

587
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:06,240
will go. No, no matter how many times you do it, it doesn't go that way. Finally, her last child,

588
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:17,600
Marie Sophie Helene Beatrix, was born on 9th of July 1786. And then a few years after that in May

589
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:25,600
1789, Marie was directly involved with the exile of parliament and the estate general,

590
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:31,680
which convened at Versailles. And she actually served on the King's Council. And she was the

591
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:40,080
first queen in 175 years to do so. The last one being Marie the Medici in 1614. Oh, I've heard

592
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:47,280
that name. I know. I'm like, Medici is a future episode. Like Medici, am I right? What? I'm like

593
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:54,080
history nerds, right? Oh, yeah. Hello. But Marie did little to intervene with politics at this time

594
01:07:54,080 --> 01:08:02,800
because her elder son, the first Louis was ill and passed away in June from tuberculosis. Oh. She's

595
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:07,840
still blamed for a lot of the political moves going on at the time, but really she was just a

596
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:15,280
concerned mother. So now we're going to jump ahead a few years to when the revolution reaches a

597
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:22,240
crescendo. There have been several plots to try and get the royal family to safety, but Louis's

598
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:27,520
indecisiveness and Marie being unwilling to leave without her husband foiled the plans,

599
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:33,360
it's so frustrating because they might have been safe if they got out in time. Who knows,

600
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:38,240
they could have still been captured. Right. But Louis was just so indecisive about leaving,

601
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:44,880
and Marie even like tried to convince him several times to leave. So finally on the 21st of June,

602
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:52,880
1791, they began what would become known as a flight of Verrain to reach Mont-Medis, a safe harbor

603
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:59,840
for royalists. The plan was for some members of the royal family to pose a servant for the imaginary

604
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:08,000
Madame de Coff, a wealthy Russian Baroness, played by Azizbeth de Croix de Torzell. So I just like

605
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:13,440
that they had this intricate plot where they're going to have people pretend to be like a Russian

606
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:19,360
Baroness and the servants from another country. However, it didn't work and the entire thing

607
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:25,040
was like Russia, that's as bad as Austria. They're like, you're not fully anyone. Yeah.

608
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:32,560
The entire family was arrested less than 24 hours later at Verrain and taken back to Paris to be in

609
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:43,760
prison. And now is when we get into some trigger warnings. So trigger warning for death, decapitation,

610
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:55,280
and being accused of child abuse. There's no evidence that it was real, but just if you don't

611
01:09:55,280 --> 01:10:01,920
want any mention at all. But I'm not going to get really detailed. Yeah. So in August 1792,

612
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:07,440
Marie's good friend, Princess de Lambelle, was taken in for interrogation and asked to renounce

613
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:13,920
the Queen. But she refused to do so because they were good friends and she didn't want to do that to

614
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:20,320
her friend. But unfortunately, she was savagely killed. And then her head was paraded around on a

615
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:26,560
pike near the temple prison where the Queen was imprisoned in hopes that she would see the gruesome

616
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:33,040
end of her dear friend. And they even wanted to get her close enough to get Marie to give her

617
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:39,280
a kiss on the cheek. I can't even imagine, like I remember the very first time I even read about

618
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:46,320
this. It's so upsetting. It's like, so it's essentially her best friend who did not betray her.

619
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:51,920
But they were like, all right, well, I'm just going to parade her decapitated head.

620
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:57,360
Mm hmm. And then why don't you give her a kiss on the cheek? I would be like, no, please.

621
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:04,480
Fortunately, Marie never saw that good. But when she heard about it, she still fainted because

622
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:10,400
it's shocking. It's shockingly that's that would be upsetting for literally anyone. Yeah. And like

623
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:15,520
even regardless of your position in life, you should not treat people like that. No, absolutely not.

624
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:21,200
And again, we'll not get into detail. But there is another great episode of noble blood that I

625
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:27,920
will cite at the end that has not more detail about that, but about Marie's execution. Yes.

626
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:38,480
And on 20, sorry, I was writing down the date in the French way, on the 21st of January, 1793,

627
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:47,280
Louis the 16th was executed and leaving Maria Widow. And I don't know if this was a familial name,

628
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:55,200
but their name was changed back to the common Capette. And so Marie was henceforth known as

629
01:11:55,200 --> 01:12:01,760
the widow Capette. And soon after Marie's children were taken from her, and they were put in separate

630
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:08,000
cells, but she could still hear her children crying and hear them being interrogated by officials.

631
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:14,880
And unfortunately, officials manipulated her youngest son into saying that she had molested him,

632
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:20,640
which there's no evidence of this. I want to stress that there's no evidence. The evidence is

633
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:25,600
strongly pointing towards the fact that she was in fact a really good mother. Yeah, he was a little

634
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:32,400
boy. He was away from either of his parents, had no people near him, except for people that hated

635
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:39,120
his parents, and was kept until they got the answer they wanted. Yes. Probably didn't even understand

636
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:46,000
what they were saying to him. Yeah. And of course, when Marie heard about this, it broke her heart

637
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:52,240
and enraged her at the same time. And when she was put on trial, she was quiet and solemn for most

638
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:58,160
of it when they were bringing up accusations. But when they brought up the accusation of her

639
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:05,600
possibly molesting her son, she was compelled to speak out. And she entreated the mothers and the

640
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:10,960
audience to listen to her. When asked why she hadn't responded to the accusations, she said,

641
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:16,800
if I have not replied, it is because nature itself refuses to respond to such a charge

642
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:25,440
laid against a mother, which is so heartbreaking, so heartbreaking. And I'm sure all of the mothers,

643
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:30,480
they're probably related to her, probably felt for her, but it didn't matter. They were going to

644
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:36,240
sentence her no matter what. Well, and if it's just women who are swayed, what, they have no

645
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:42,880
political pull at all. It's an all male jury. Yes. That have already decided. Yeah, it's heartbreaking.

646
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:51,840
Yeah. So Marie was sentenced to death by guillotine. And as Marie stepped onto the platform for execution,

647
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:58,240
the last thing that happened was she accidentally stepped on the foot of the executioner,

648
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:05,040
and she uttered her last words, I'm sorry, sir, I did not do it on purpose, which I don't know.

649
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:10,720
That just makes me so sad. It's so heartbreaking. I feel like it's so poignant because I mean, she's

650
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:17,520
just having this last meaningless interaction with this man, but really, she could, she should have

651
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:24,160
been like, I don't care. That's if she really was true, what they say, but also like describes her

652
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:31,120
whole reign and everything she did, like she may have done things that weren't great, or just weren't

653
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:41,040
very sensitive to like the peasants and the commoners. But I feel like I'm sorry, sir, I did not do it

654
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:49,920
on purpose. Yeah, it sums it up perfectly. Very much so. And one last bit about Marie, the phrase,

655
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:57,600
let them eat cake has become synonymous with Marie Antoinette. Everyone has heard this phrase,

656
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:02,080
even if you don't know a lot about Marie Antoinette, you know the phrase, let them eat cake.

657
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:08,720
There's it's on cute little signs, it's on t shirts, it's everywhere. It's said to be funny.

658
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:14,560
It's said to be funny. You know, I might say it if I want cake. I don't know. We joked about why

659
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:21,360
didn't we have cake with us today. Yes. But the problem is, she probably never said it. And it

660
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:26,400
sounds a bit flip for someone talking about impoverished and starving peasants, you know,

661
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:33,680
let them eat cake. Although Kristen Dunn's delivery in the Sophia Coppola Marie Antoinette

662
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:38,480
is a bit more sweet and coquettish, I imagine if Marie did say it, she would have said it in a very

663
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:44,480
cute, like, I don't know, she just seemed like a sweet girl, like she was a young girl at the time.

664
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,680
But if she had said it, it would have been,

665
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:56,240
qui manger de la brioche, which brioche was a, it's kind of like brioche bread that we have now,

666
01:15:56,240 --> 01:16:03,680
but it was a little more enriched and sweeter. And so it is not even historically accurate to say

667
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:08,240
what cake. Which I would, I mean, like, I'll try it. Sounds good to me. I know. I would like brioche.

668
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:17,200
Yes. And the phrase or something like it actually appeared in a 16th century German story and was

669
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:24,800
later translated into French in Rousseau's confessions and was most likely meant as more of

670
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:31,840
like a commentary on the upper class. But when Rousseau wrote this story, Marie Antoinette would

671
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:41,680
have been nine years old. But the revolutionaries took up Rousseau's writings as kind of one of their

672
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:48,400
main sources for the revolution. And so they might have even known that Marie didn't say it,

673
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:55,280
but kind of attributed it to her class. And it's been debunked over time. But it's like,

674
01:16:55,280 --> 01:17:00,320
no matter how many times it's debunked that she didn't say it, people continually associate it

675
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:08,080
with Marie, which is so awful. It's awful. And never mind the fact that she was a queen,

676
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:15,680
which at the time was more of a figurehead or I wouldn't even say an accessory, but she didn't

677
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:21,120
really have any political power. Right. So she wouldn't have been able to do anything really to

678
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:27,680
help the poor of France, except for the occasional works of charity that she did just on her own

679
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:35,760
volition. Right. So that's my little rant about Marie Antoinette. I like that. But I also, much

680
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:43,360
like you, I went into some areas of popular culture where Marie shows up, which there are many.

681
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:50,240
Yeah. Unlike mine, Marie Antoinette has been everywhere. Yes. She has been portrayed at least

682
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:56,400
in 21 different movies. Of course, probably the most notable being Sophia Coppola's Marie Antoinette.

683
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:06,160
There was also a Marie Antoinette in 1938 starring Moira Shearer. She's often referenced in fashion,

684
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:15,040
art, and music. So my personal favorite, Marie has said to have inspired Electra Heart by

685
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:21,120
Marina and the Diamonds. One of my favorite fashion brands, Selkie, has had Marie Antoinette

686
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:27,600
inspired launch parties. Their fashion shows, like, they're kind of like modern day interpretations of

687
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:33,760
like the color palette and the look of the Selie beautiful pastels. And then they have the poofs.

688
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:41,840
Yes. I love that. And then my absolute favorite, Moschino did a Marie Antoinette and cake themed

689
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:49,200
collection at Fashion Week 2020. Did you know that I, so this is sidebar, we have Pinterest boards

690
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:53,600
for our friends. And when we come across something that we'll be like, I'm saving that to their

691
01:18:53,600 --> 01:19:00,000
board. I just saved a Moschino, Marie Antoinette inspired dress to your Pinterest board like

692
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:07,680
just a few days ago. I love that. That's so funny. I will never get over Moschino's Marie Antoinette

693
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:16,400
or their Barbie collection. Moschino is good always. Yeah. So that is Marie Antoinette. And

694
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:24,160
I feel like I want to eat some cake, some macaron and watch Sophia Coppola's movie. Yes. I think we

695
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:32,320
should. We should watch a scene of Peg and Twistle acting in 13 Women. I think there's one on YouTube.

696
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:38,400
And then we'll wrap it up with Marie Antoinette. What's so funny though is I was thinking about who

697
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:45,120
could play Peg and Twistle in a movie. And to me, she looks a lot like Kirsten Dunst. Oh, I could see

698
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:51,920
that. And it's like, what a, I'm like, get Sophia. Right? Like Kirsten Dunst, she's in both of our

699
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:59,360
stories. Also, I forgot to do my sources at the top. So I'm going to do that now. Wait, did I?

700
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,960
I don't remember. I don't, I don't know because you did it earlier as to practice. Oh, that's right.

701
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:09,680
I just did it for practice. All right. So this is real now. I'm like, am I having a stroke? You

702
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:16,320
were doing a speaking practice to not say the word um. Yes, I like I do. I'm not sure how I did, but

703
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:22,800
you did great. Thank you. Yeah, very well done. So there was a Britannica.com article on Marie

704
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:28,880
Antoinette and of course the Wikipedia page for Marie Antoinette and cultural depictions of Marie

705
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:36,880
Antoinette. And Nobleblood has three episodes involving Marie Antoinette. There is historical

706
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:45,760
myth busting spectacular where she goes into uh five of history's most persisting myths. And the

707
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:51,680
first one she does is let the meat cake, the neck and the necklace about the necklace affair,

708
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:59,440
and the second death of Marie Antoinette, which is so sad. So sad. I remember listening to that on

709
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:06,080
a long drive by myself and it literally made me cry. It was upsetting. So good. And just in general,

710
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:12,480
listen to Nobleblood Danish words is the voice of an angel, the voice of an angel, the best storyteller.

711
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:19,360
You just need to listen to that podcast, but yeah, I listened to that again for research for this and

712
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:25,360
it made me cry. Yeah, you're like right in the heart. Yeah. And if anyone is listening and they're

713
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:33,760
really upset about the French Revolution, which why are you not? Watch a Scarlet Pimpernel with

714
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:40,800
Anthony Andrews and Jane Seymour because the Scarlet Pimpernel is a fictional character,

715
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:46,640
but if he was real, he would have made everything better. And if you want to be a little bit of a

716
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:51,760
revolutionary sympathizer, watch Les Mis. Les Mis, just in general. Yeah. Because you're like, you

717
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:58,000
know what, these people have had a hard life. They are, they are miserable. Yeah. I'm like, look,

718
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:04,320
I am glad I didn't live around that time because I would feel bad for Marie Antoinette and I would

719
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,920
feel bad for the revolutionaries. But I'd be like, Hey, let's not kill anyone. How about that?

720
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:13,600
How about that? And probably considering my ancestry, I would have been a peasant. Oh,

721
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:21,360
I definitely would have been a peasant if I hadn't already died. My teeth gone. Yeah. I, my cake,

722
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:29,040
not being eaten. Going, going back to little women, I definitely would be Beth and have just died.

723
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:36,240
Yeah. Got the personality of Amy, the constitution of Beth. I think we talked about this one time.

724
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:42,880
And I was like, well, I have the personality of Joe, but I probably was Lori's grandpa.

725
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:49,760
I remember you said, you're like, it's the Colonel Mustard effect. I know I have the

726
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:55,120
Colonel Mustard effect. Is there a grumpy old man with a mustache? And I'm not even like a grumpy

727
01:22:55,120 --> 01:23:00,960
old man at heart because we were talking about this earlier. I was with a different friend who

728
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:05,920
was the grandpa friend. Like there's, you have your mom friend, you have your, I guess, a dad friend.

729
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:10,080
I'm not even the grandpa friend, but I'm the Colonel Mustard friend.

730
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:16,480
I don't think I'm structured enough to be the mom friend. You're the wine aunt friend.

731
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:21,840
That's what one of our other friends said. He's like, you're the aunt. Yeah. You're the fun aunt.

732
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:29,520
I'm like, I'll do that. Yes. I'll be the aunt that has cats and drinks old fashions and can return

733
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:34,560
the kids at the end of the day. That sounds great. Yeah. I'll be the, I'll be one of those aunts too.

734
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:39,680
You can be aunt slash grandpa. I'm going to be the Colonel Mustard aunt.

735
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:51,440
Oh my gosh, I love it so much. Anyway, that, well that is a very heavy episode. I think

736
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:57,200
because this one was so intense, my next story will be much lighter. That'll be my promise to you

737
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:05,040
well. Maybe I'll try and find a kooky story to do. Let's kooky it up. Okay. Yeah. And have cookies.

738
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:14,080
Okay. Or we could also have macarons. Yeah. We could have had today. We're having them in spirit

739
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:20,800
for Marie today, but we could have them for real next time. If I hadn't had to do other errands,

740
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:25,440
I would have gotten macarons, but I know I feel bad. You could have told me I didn't even.

741
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:30,720
It's okay. I have a side out of mind. You know, even though I'm always thinking about macarons.

742
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:38,720
Oh, right. Me too. And that is not the macaroon. It's not the macaroons. Yeah, it's, it's not

743
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:43,520
male. Oh, it's not the president of France. It's also not macaroons. It's not macaroons. It's not

744
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:50,800
the president of France. No, these are macarons. These are beautiful cookies. Yep. Made out of

745
01:24:50,800 --> 01:25:01,920
almond flour and dreams. I was like, and happiness and happiness. Yeah. And anything to add before we

746
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:12,640
wrap her up? I don't know. Did we have any, anything about the pod? Oh, we're working on our designs

747
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:17,920
for merch. I'm really excited because the merch that we have going, I'm just wanting to buy for

748
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:23,920
myself. Yeah. Actually, there's one sticker that we created that would look good on our,

749
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:32,960
any kind of drinking utensil that we have. Yeah. I, I am not good at coming up with designs like

750
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:37,200
Drew. So I have been creating a mood board. You're really good at coming up with ideas,

751
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:42,640
because sometimes I will just kind of like see something and go off of that. But I'm like,

752
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:48,560
I would like to create something that's pretty like unique. That's not just influenced by something

753
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:53,680
else. But I also like the influence by something else. My good ideas and I'm jumping off of their

754
01:25:53,680 --> 01:26:03,200
little picture. 70s horror movies, movie posters, not the horror movies, but the posters. Yes. And

755
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:09,360
the book covers. We got to figure that. That's our aesthetic. Yes. Someday you'll see. You'll see.

756
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:13,200
And you'll know. You'll see. You'll see. I don't know. We got so aggressive.

757
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:19,520
Well, I also have to drive home. So yeah, we should wrap this up. I'm going to say good night

758
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:30,960
and good luck and be odd and be curious and always be closing. I've never, I don't know where

759
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:39,760
that came from. Is that a saying? I just, is not from, um, oh no, that movie is Owl of Baldwin.

760
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:41,360
Is it? Hunt for the Red Octobre. No.

761
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:54,240
Yeah, it was Sean Connery. Always be checking those submarine hatches. They get a little crazy.

762
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:59,680
Mike, get some water. It's gonna bug me what that movie was. But it's like coffee is for closers.

763
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:06,640
Oh yeah, I don't know. Well, and always be knowing your movie references and always,

764
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:14,800
not me. Uh, just try not to jump off Hollywood signs. Yeah, don't do that. And

765
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:22,640
and always be charitable despite people around you being terrible. And don't be so hasty to

766
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:30,320
guillotine people. And always, always be working and taking care of your mental health. It's the

767
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:36,240
most important part of your body. Yes, I think that is probably the most productive advice that we

768
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:43,920
have. Your brain, your brain loves you and wants you to take care of it even though it lies to you.

769
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:52,960
Yeah. So take care of it for yourself and for us. And on that note, goodbye. We love you. Love you.

770
01:27:52,960 --> 01:28:15,600
Goodbye.