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Grapefruit!

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I'm Drew and I'm Olivia and we are oddly curious.

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So this is our second episode and I would just like to preface this episode with I'm really sorry about the first episode.

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I realized that there's a lot of things I did not do what I want. What? There's a lot of things I didn't want to do the first episode with my first story which is Billy Goal.

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And I'm going to tell you why because my brain was not in the right place and I thought it was nerves and anxiety which I mean like come on everyday life.

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But no, I don't know if you can tell by my voice but I left Olivia's house, drove home an hour and came home with COVID.

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Not from me.

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I'm like if you listen to the first episode really closely you can probably hear me maybe slowly getting sicker and Olivia's immune system like just throwing hands.

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I know which is weird because usually my immune system kind of sucks but it pulled through this time.

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I'm actually really impressed. I'm like you're super lady? Super lady.

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I realized when I got back to my house I was like I didn't even do my source material for Billy Goal. I just was like what was wrong with me?

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Oh yeah, I caught the actual thing that started a pandemic.

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Yeah and I didn't have any excuse other than it was our first time but I feel like I kind of blacked out while I was doing my...

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Whatever you did really good.

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That's good. I haven't listened to it yet. I'm afraid to know.

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What have our producer do that?

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I don't think I took a single breath the whole time. I think I just was like and here we go.

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You were monologuing.

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I was.

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Yeah.

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When monologuing and radiation become one it becomes Chernobyl reading.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Chernobyl happened because someone monologued for two.

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Yeah.

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I mean I will.

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Yeah. But science. Anyway.

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So I am so much better. I am not clearly I'm not contagious because I'm here.

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Yeah.

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We're together and I'm better.

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I'm like it's literally been 10 days.

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I'm like this. This COVID thing is not messing around.

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It's not.

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No. It means business.

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It feels like it's actually been forever since you were here and it wasn't that long because time doesn't matter anymore.

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It doesn't. No.

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Does anything really matter anymore?

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No.

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No.

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Anyway.

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So without further ado.

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Olivia went first last time.

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So I would like to go first this time.

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Yay.

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Are we ready to do this?

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Is this ready?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I'm ready.

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Also how are you?

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I'm good.

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We got some coffee earlier and some pizza.

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I mean not together.

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I mean I guess you could.

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A little bit.

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There was a gap in between.

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There was a little bit of a gap but I'm hyped up and now I'm going to bring myself down with a white claw.

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Yeah.

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Just doing all the things.

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Right.

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I think my order went coffee dayquil.

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It did.

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Yeah.

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Pizza white claw.

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The American dream.

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Yep.

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I don't think the American dream ever touched any of us.

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Unless it was in pizza form.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So I'm ready.

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So my story for you today, Olivia and dear listener, hopefully listeners, I don't know,

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is the lady of the lake.

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I'm so excited.

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Right?

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It's, this is devastating.

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And it's interesting, there's a lot of science involved, much like many true crime stories,

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it's also very just disheartening.

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See, I know I've heard this story before, but for whatever reason, I don't remember any

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of it.

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So this will be brand new.

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This will be brand new.

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Yeah.

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And the lady of the lake is a term that has been used many times throughout history.

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It's an Arthurian legend.

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She was like of Avalon and my Arthurian knowledge really comes from Monty Python.

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So she like given Excalibur.

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This story is not that.

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Okay.

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But she's still a beautiful lady who was in a beautiful lake.

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And there were no swords.

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So my source material comes from a history link.org article by Mavis Admanson.

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An article from my Olympic park.com and a morbid ology.com article by Emily G. Thompson, which

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shout out to morbid ology.

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It's actually really good podcast.

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I was hoping she had an episode on this, but she did not.

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But I have found really amazing episodes from her.

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She's very, very professional.

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Cool.

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So shout out to morbid ology.

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So the story of the lady in the lake begins in the Olympic National Park, which is just stunning.

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And it's in Lake Crescent.

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That is our lake.

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Olympic National Park is massive, but Lake Crescent itself is 17 miles west of Port Angeles in

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Washington state.

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I thought it was Washington.

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Yeah.

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So Port Angeles is just the cutest town you get on a ferry to Victoria, British Columbia

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from there.

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And if you can just imagine that whole, I mean, everything beautiful, like literally there

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are orcas in that water just waiting to the free willy.

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That sounds magical.

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I know.

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It's just beautiful.

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And so side note, I was actually in Port Angeles, not this last November, but the November

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before we went to Lake Crescent actually.

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This is where I learned about this story.

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My cousins took my other cousin and my best friend up to Lake Crescent and we hiked around.

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We went to the lodge.

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The lodge was just stunning.

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The lodge felt like if Teddy Roosevelt was a building, it would be this building.

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There's a, I can picture it.

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Roaring fire, a beautiful elk head, which I mean, like that's sad, but still a mustache.

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Everyone has a mustache and glasses, but in their gift shop, they have an actual book

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for this story.

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And so I was reading about it and it was just, wow, this is good.

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Good storytelling, but terrible story.

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Why I'm like, it's like, why did this have to happen?

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But at least they are giving her the anyway, I should get into it.

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I'm really sorry.

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Anyway, so we're going to start at Lake Crescent.

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It's July 6th, 1940.

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There are a lot of fishermen out this day.

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It's a beautiful, clean, still water day.

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Good for fishing.

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Louis Rolf and his brother are out on their boat and they're just having a good time.

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I mean, it's 1940.

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They're fishing.

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They don't have to worry about a lot of things.

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Maybe Hitler, but that's part of like the 40s.

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I was like, they don't have to worry about much, maybe a little bit.

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But yeah.

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So they're on their boat and they notice near the shoreline an object floating close.

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Close to them in between them and the shore.

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Naturally, they approach the object because I'm with them.

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I'm so curious.

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I will see anything.

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And I'm like, what is it?

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I know.

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Me too.

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So they are horrified to discover it is a body of a woman.

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She's wearing a green dress and she's wrapped in two gray striped blankets tied together with heavy rope.

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So at first appearance, it seems like, well, this body has not been in the water that long.

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She's very well intact.

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And a little side note about Lake Crescent.

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It's the second deepest lake in Washington because it's been measured over 600 feet deep.

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But some scientists say it could have areas over a thousand feet deep, which could make it possibly even the deepest lake in Washington.

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But that's not fully recorded.

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They're like, we're too scared to find out.

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Which I mean, deep water and humans don't really go hand in hand.

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No, we're not meant to be there.

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No.

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And this is a freshwater lake.

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It's so blue because there is no algae in it because the water has no nitrogen, which helps algae form.

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So this is like almost like Caribbean water is kind of like a light blue.

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This is like a deep, cobalt blue, just gorgeous.

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So this fully intact body is just going to stand out on the water.

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So Lewis and his brother, clearly they don't know what to do.

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They rush to the dock of the Washington State Trout Hatchery.

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That's the closest place they can think of that could have someone of authority, which thankfully there is a superintendent on duty.

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His name is A.D. Iman Roth.

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And when they tell Iman Roth what they found, he's skeptical.

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He is actually quoted saying, must be a deer, Lewis.

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What?

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Which...

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How do you confuse a lady and a deer?

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He's like, hey, look, it's 1940.

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We don't do everything right here.

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You don't know much about women.

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Which can you...

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I'm sure Lewis was probably a much better person than I am because I can't imagine him being like, yeah, I don't know very many deer that wear dresses.

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But I don't know.

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Anyway, probably because you just don't want to find a body in the water and you're hoping it's something else.

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So nevertheless, he follows them to the scene and he's horrified to learn that his skepticism is unfounded.

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It is in fact a woman in the water.

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So Iman Roth contacts the coroner and the sheriff and they arrived to the scene to retrieve the body.

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When they bring this body in, she is noted to be as white as marble.

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Her facial features are more or less not really distinguishable.

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But she's estimated to be in her 30s.

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She's also estimated to be 5'6", and roughly around 140 pounds at the time of her death because now she's much, much lighter.

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And this is all due to her being so well preserved.

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And this is because she is covered in a soap or a soap-like substance.

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And this is what is interesting about, I was reading about why bodies float in water and why they decay.

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Fresh water actually leads to bodies to decay faster.

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Salt is a-

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Because salt preserves.

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Yes, salt preserves.

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Fresh water, it's like, it's a breeding ground for either natural chemicals or natural bacteria that will interact with the bacteria already in a body.

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Which this bacteria causes you to bloat and float.

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So unfortunately the term for a floating body is called a bloater, which is just-

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Yeah, that's not great.

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Like, hey, we all get bloated.

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But please, not-

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But after death, you're like, just give me some dignity.

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Don't be mean.

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However, so this body is covered in soap and the coroner noted, he said, quote, she could be scooped away like putty.

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This process is called saponification.

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It means that extreme cold prevented decomposition and the salts and the calcium, which the salts there's not very much of in this water.

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But it's like natural occurring salt with calcium and deep water and cold water help the tissue of a human to slowly convert into a material like soap.

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What?

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I thought someone did that to her.

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Because they're thinking, why would they do this?

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But it's actually her own-

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Her own self did it to her.

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That's so weird.

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So this process of decaying matter being covered in soap is called adiposear.

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In order for this to happen, a body must be deprived of oxygen, which unfortunately, if you're dead, that happens.

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Plus she's in water.

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There isn't very much oxygen.

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And then it needs to be in an alkaline environment, which I mean, like, so this water is this pH balanced.

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And then the second thing it needs, intestinal bacteria must be present, which unfortunately humans, we have a lot of that, whether good or bad.

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And so this chemical reaction causes a waxy and casing to form around a body.

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And this is this adiposear.

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And in some instances, they have called them wax mummies.

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But this adiposear is also called corpse wax.

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Now, why do they have to make it?

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I know.

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Just call it a wax mummy.

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I know.

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And corpse wax, I mean, that actually sounds like a great name for a band, to be honest.

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And also reminds me of House of Wax.

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Yes, yeah.

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Which I have never seen.

253
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I don't know the story of that.

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Does that have anything to do with it?

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I don't know.

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I just know Paris Hilton, wasn't it?

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Yeah.

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Shout out to Paris Hilton.

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But one interesting factoid is so I looked up the history of this adiposear.

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There's been many instances where it's been like basically they stumbled across it because

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it's not really that common.

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Because the circumstances have to be just right for it to happen.

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Yeah.

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So this is just a side note.

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The history of what has been recorded for this in 1786 and 1787, the Paris's Cemetery

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Innocence, which is the cemetery for dead children, which is very sad.

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To Parisian scientists were supervising the exhumation of bodies, these children's bodies,

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because they were moving them from the graveyard to the catacombs because they were running

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out of room, which is fairly, really sad.

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Children really just leave them.

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Right.

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Let the little babies be here.

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Let them rest.

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But the 1700s, they were a different time.

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They're like, everyone's dying.

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Everyone's dying.

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So they found this gray waxy substance on some of the children's remains.

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And it was actually kind of jarring because this waxy substance prevents decay.

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It's like the preservation.

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Oh, yeah.

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Like you're putting that seal on that jar of jam or whatever, which I mean, humans aren't

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jam.

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I'm just saying.

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But because they found this, I mean, they were curious about it.

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And so they have learned that this is a body being exposed to bacteria that's anaerobic.

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So it's bacteria that's oxygen deprived.

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And then it's in a warm, damp alkaline environment.

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So this is the first time it's been noted.

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And there have been many since.

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I think there's a couple, a soap man and a soap woman, they're on display in the Smithsonian,

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I believe.

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And they were found in Philadelphia and they were from around the same time.

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And they don't really know how they happened.

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And I think the last I read, they were going to DNA test this couple because they don't

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know who they are.

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See if there's any, right if there's any living relatives now, like you're related to the

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soap man, at least give them a name.

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You can go see them in the Smith's Eye.

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Which is really sad.

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They're like, oh, there's my great, great, great grandfather.

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Just don't put them in water.

302
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But anyway, so this is happening.

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And this is very curious because this does not happen, especially from a standpoint where

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this is the first time someone has been found floating in this lake.

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Plus it's a unique circumstance.

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So they're doing this autopsy on this body.

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And one of the medical students helping the coroner, he said, quote, there was no smell

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or decay.

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So this dead body does not smell, which is that's good, which is good.

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And she's intact.

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However, unfortunately, they are able to conclude that she has been beaten or had been beaten

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and she was strangled to death.

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Following her death, she was hogtied with ropes, weighed down with rocks or bricks,

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and thrown into this ice cold lake.

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Thankfully, however, this rope rotted away due to the environment and her suponification

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made her unusually light, which helped her float from the very deep depths of this lake

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to the surface.

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And the pathologist doing the autopsy estimated she has been in the lake for almost three years.

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Oh my goodness.

320
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Yes, and she's almost fully intact.

321
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So three years.

322
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That's crazy.

323
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Yeah.

324
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So like I said, this is the first body to be found floating in Lake Crescent.

325
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The first?

326
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Yes.

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The first one recorded at least because I mean, I mean, who knows, right?

328
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Right.

329
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But because of this, she becomes sensationally known as the Lady of the Lake, which like I said,

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that's kind of, it comes from Arthurian legend.

331
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It's even referenced in like Anna Green Gables or she like, she's the lady of the lot.

332
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Yes, exactly.

333
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Like it has a real like romantic quality to it, which is sad because it's like, yes,

334
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she's this woman that was found floating, but it's actually sad.

335
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I mean, she was killed.

336
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Please don't romanticize it.

337
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Yeah.

338
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I mean, but we know how the public is.

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We, yeah.

340
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And I think really they're not really romanticizing it in a way that is disrespectful.

341
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I think they're like, hey, we want to help her find her name.

342
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We want to find who did this to her.

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And also probably they were just like so shocked that they didn't know something like that could happen.

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That they're like, it must be something mystical because how could someone still look so preserved after three years?

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Right.

346
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Exactly.

347
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And she, I mean, they can estimate her height and her weight.

348
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She had Auburn hair.

349
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It was still intact.

350
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So it's just like, I'm like, shout out to the red heads.

351
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Oh, thank you.

352
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,800
But I won't do this to you, Olivia.

353
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I won't put you in any water.

354
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I appreciate it.

355
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Yeah.

356
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Yeah.

357
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You're like, I won't even take you to the ocean.

358
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I know.

359
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Which I mean, do you want to go there?

360
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I just want to put you in the water.

361
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Okay.

362
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:38,800
So because of this intrigue in her story, police had this daunting task of identifying her.

363
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I mean, this is going to be hard.

364
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This is well before DNA testing.

365
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They can't, I mean, maybe her fingerprints could have been on file.

366
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Who knows?

367
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But this is also 1940.

368
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Yeah.

369
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And her fingerprints are gone.

370
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I mean, she may have fingers, but she's not intact completely.

371
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There was a hiker from Chicago at the time who had been vacationing in Olympic National

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Park, who had last been seen falling to her death.

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They had not found the body.

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They thought perhaps this was her, but she had been alone.

375
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And why would she be wrapped?

376
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And why would she be wrapped in like, so for a moment they were like, maybe, but then

377
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they're like, no.

378
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Yeah.

379
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Which I mean, that poor girl who I hope they found her body.

380
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I know, seriously.

381
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So yeah, so her, I mean, first her injuries are not matching.

382
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She was strangled.

383
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That means someone had to be at her death, be there with her.

384
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Her body was taken to a popper's grave nearby because they had nowhere to put her.

385
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But over the next few months, she was exhumed, you know, dug up and exhumed a few more times.

386
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In fact, 14 months went by before her identity was known.

387
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And they finally had this, the idea of, well, how else can we identify her?

388
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:01,800
Oh, her teeth.

389
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:02,800
Yes.

390
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:03,800
Yes.

391
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:04,800
Dental records.

392
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,800
Dental records, which I mean, that is a thing.

393
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:17,800
So she had a unique sixth, sixth, sixth tooth bridge in her mouth, which I mean gold, especially

394
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teeth.

395
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It's really decay.

396
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,680
I mean, it's like bone.

397
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But gold, gold is forever.

398
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,800
That's golden diamonds.

399
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:29,800
I know.

400
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,480
I'm like, Elizabeth Taylor is like, what have I been telling you?

401
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,920
So they took pictures of this bridge.

402
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,120
They circulated it around.

403
00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:43,800
It was said they sent it to at least 5,000 dentists in the country.

404
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:44,800
That's really good.

405
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:45,800
Right?

406
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:46,800
Yeah.

407
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,800
And they didn't want to work because no dentist in Washington recognized it.

408
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,800
So they're like, okay, so she's not originally from here.

409
00:22:54,800 --> 00:23:00,800
Interestingly, a dentist in South Dakota recognized his handiwork.

410
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:01,800
Wow.

411
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:02,800
Yeah.

412
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:03,800
She came quite a ways.

413
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:04,800
She really did.

414
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:11,800
And he identified this unknown woman, which she now is 38 years old and her name is Hallie

415
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Wurth, which she was known as the waitress at the Lake Crescent Tavern.

416
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:20,800
Yes.

417
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:21,800
Oh my gosh.

418
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:30,040
And police were able to discover that Hallie was last seen on December 22nd, 1937, which

419
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it's been, you know, almost three years, which the coroner was correct with that assumption.

420
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,560
Good job, coroner.

421
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Good job.

422
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:44,240
So the public is captivated by this discovery.

423
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,600
They want to know who did this to Hallie.

424
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,240
So let's learn about Hallie.

425
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,520
Yes.

426
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:57,760
And Hallie is also, I mean, I feel like they say this about every victim, beautiful.

427
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,440
And I mean, really every victim in their own way is just because it's like, how dare you

428
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,400
die in such a terrible way?

429
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,400
Yeah.

430
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,400
I, yeah.

431
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,120
But also like, I don't know, I feel like it's annoying when people are like, oh, she

432
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:12,320
was so beautiful.

433
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,160
Like that makes it even sadder.

434
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,160
Yes.

435
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,440
She died like, oh, what?

436
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:23,400
People who aren't, you know, attractive to our society cannot be beautiful because, yeah,

437
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,760
anyone that dies in such a horrible manner, it's like you want to give them the respect,

438
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,280
not just because of their beauty, but.

439
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,440
And they're beautiful to someone.

440
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,440
Oh, yes, exactly.

441
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:32,440
Yeah.

442
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:37,240
And they're like, you know, that mean when they're like, if I die, please don't tell

443
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,920
them I lit up the room when I.

444
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,760
Yeah, like I was in the corner.

445
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,040
I was in the corner.

446
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,640
I did not have a smile that lit up the room.

447
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,480
I did not care about poetry or horses.

448
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,320
I don't know.

449
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,920
But actually, I mean, she was, I'll show you a picture.

450
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,880
So she was very pretty.

451
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,960
Plus she has red hair.

452
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,880
I mean, it was Auburn, but still.

453
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,960
It's a shade.

454
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,040
So not much is known about Halle's early life.

455
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:15,640
She was born on January 7th, 1901 to Finnis and Bunny Latham.

456
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,440
Oh, my gosh, right?

457
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,440
Bunny.

458
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:19,440
Right.

459
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,440
So cute.

460
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:26,000
So Finnis and Bunny were humble farmers in Greenville, Kentucky.

461
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,200
They tried to give their children the best life they could, but it was it was humble beginnings

462
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,120
for sure.

463
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,200
So Halle wanted to make a better life for herself.

464
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:45,840
So she continually moved west to basically find herself and find what she wanted to do

465
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,440
in life.

466
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:53,560
However, at age 35 in 1936, she had already had two failed marriages.

467
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,960
So she decided to up and move to Washington State to just start over.

468
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:05,320
She found work as a barmaid at the tavern on the edge of Lake Crescent.

469
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,960
And I can't even imagine.

470
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:12,000
I mean, Olympic National Park is beautiful now, but even more untouched, it's probably

471
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,320
just like this is just stunning beauty.

472
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,120
I'm sure she was probably really happy to be there.

473
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:19,320
She's like, this is where I want to be.

474
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This is where I want to be.

475
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:27,680
And because just like any of us, she wants to give love another try.

476
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:36,920
So she married beer truck driver and unfortunate notorious ladies man, Monty Illingworth.

477
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,920
They married in Seattle of June the year she moved to Washington.

478
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,720
So this was a whirlwind romance.

479
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,720
She's like, I got a job.

480
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,000
I got a man.

481
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,080
I'm in a beautiful place.

482
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,920
I'm doing great.

483
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:55,400
However, Monty was not a good man.

484
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,800
They argued a lot.

485
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,720
This was mainly due to his extreme alcoholism.

486
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,720
He was a mean drunk.

487
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,920
That's not what you want in a beer truck.

488
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:05,920
No.

489
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,240
I'm like, are you drinking and driving?

490
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,480
Like please, Monty, get it together.

491
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:16,360
He had constant affairs, which it's just like, oh my gosh, really.

492
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:19,560
So Helly had every reason to be angry with him.

493
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,520
But these arguments would lead towards physical altercations.

494
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,960
And he did not bother hiding his beatings.

495
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,160
Yeah.

496
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,600
She would come to work with bruises, black eyes.

497
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,440
She once confided in a coworker that Monty had choked her to the point where she almost

498
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,440
blacked out.

499
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,440
Oh my gosh.

500
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,200
And he had broken her teeth.

501
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:46,520
So after just five months of marriage, it was, they could count on their fingers how

502
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:53,360
many times the police had been called to their house due to fights, which is just poor Helly.

503
00:27:53,360 --> 00:28:01,960
So, on the morning of December 22, 1937, Helly goes missing.

504
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:07,760
She had gone home to her apartment after a long night at the tavern working to wait for

505
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,080
her husband to come home.

506
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:17,080
He was partying in Port Townsend, which Port Townsend is about an hour east of Port Angeles.

507
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,280
So I'm like, OK, so he's partying.

508
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,800
And then he's driving home.

509
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,800
Great.

510
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:29,480
So, again, Monty's reputation is preceding him.

511
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,960
So once they find out the day she disappeared and the fact that she was waiting for her

512
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:39,280
nasty drunk husband, investigators are like, OK, I'm putting the pieces together.

513
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,280
Yeah.

514
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,040
Too bad they didn't do that before she died.

515
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,040
Yeah.

516
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:49,760
I'm like, OK, well, who's, the problem is with when you're in that relationship, which

517
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,400
I guess I should have done a trigger warning ahead of time about domestic violence and

518
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,400
murder.

519
00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:01,600
But when you're in love with somebody, you're probably constantly trying to look for the

520
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,120
good or you might have opportunities to walk away.

521
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:11,640
But it's just, it's really hard when you're like, well, I've made this decision.

522
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:12,720
Maybe we can work through this.

523
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,040
It's sad that this happens very often.

524
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,360
But it's no fault of her own.

525
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,360
No, I was just kidding.

526
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,360
No.

527
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,360
It's not the police.

528
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,360
Oh, the police.

529
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,360
Yeah.

530
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,360
It's just like, it's no fault of her own, but it's kind of like, be on the lookout for

531
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,880
people who might need help.

532
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:26,880
And police.

533
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:33,480
And that are showing up to work with black guys and like saying that they've been strangled.

534
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,480
Yeah.

535
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,360
Which unfortunately, if you, if you think about it a lot of times, OK, it's the late 30s,

536
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,200
someone might argue, well, it was a different time.

537
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,800
Well, that should be no, no time.

538
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,560
That should be any time where that's OK.

539
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:47,560
No.

540
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,560
No.

541
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:55,400
OK, so investigators have a hint of a suspect in Monty Illingworth, but he's nowhere to be

542
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,400
found.

543
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,400
Hmm.

544
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,160
They finally find him living with another woman in Long Beach, California.

545
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,280
In fact, he was married, married, not married yet.

546
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,840
He was engaged to be married to this new woman.

547
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,360
Her name is Eleanor Pearson.

548
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,080
She was also from the Pacific Northwest.

549
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:18,040
So they probably met maybe even while he was married to Hallie.

550
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,040
Who knows?

551
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:24,720
And she was the daughter of a wealthy timber magnet and they ran off to California together.

552
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,520
So when investigators found Monty, he was like, oh, you know, the last time I saw her,

553
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:38,360
she had run off with a, he said two different stories, a sailor from Alaska or a naval captain.

554
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,360
OK.

555
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:44,520
Which I'm like, I guess naval captain and sailor could be the same thing, but yeah, I don't

556
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:45,520
know.

557
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:46,840
He's just like, I'm just throwing stuff out there.

558
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,840
He's like, I'm drunk.

559
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:48,840
I know.

560
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,880
Here's a sailor.

561
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,440
But what's funny Monty is how come she never contacted her friends or family?

562
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,400
And I guess she was very close to her siblings.

563
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,400
She had a lot of friends.

564
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,240
I mean, she was quick to make friends.

565
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,240
They had not heard from her.

566
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,840
That was very suspicious.

567
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:15,840
And incidentally, so Monty filed for divorce five months after she had last been seen,

568
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,160
but he didn't even file it under desertion.

569
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,160
He filed it under incompatibility.

570
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:29,560
So if he was saying that she was abandoning their marriage, you would think, oh, that's

571
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:30,560
the reason.

572
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,200
But he's like, ah, she's dead.

573
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,200
We're not compatible anymore.

574
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,200
I don't know.

575
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,720
But I mean, again, he's claiming he's innocent.

576
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:38,720
So.

577
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,840
But either way, either way.

578
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:41,840
Yeah.

579
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:47,720
So there is a picture of Monty on the internet that I think is very interesting.

580
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,120
It kind of shows his character.

581
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:56,160
He's in between two women on his left is Eleanor, his soon to be wife.

582
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,200
And on his right is his mother giving him a kiss on the cheek.

583
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:06,200
And Monty looks like, oh boy, women like who can know him?

584
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,200
Oh, God.

585
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,200
Yeah.

586
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,200
So this this is a good.

587
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:15,240
I should probably share this picture on our Instagram because when he is found in Long

588
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,640
Beach and arrested for the suspicion of her murder, he's waiting extradition in his jail

589
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,000
sale in California.

590
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,480
His mother is there with him, not listening to him.

591
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,200
And he said, mother, you know, I didn't do it.

592
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,200
Oh God.

593
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:37,200
And he, I know it was different linguistics back then, but anyone that says mother, mother,

594
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,320
I just think of Buster.

595
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,320
Oh, exactly.

596
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,320
Mother boy.

597
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:48,440
I was thinking of, which is this is also a bad example all around, but Norman Bates.

598
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,440
Oh, yeah.

599
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,920
Well, I mean, Buster kind of turned it.

600
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:51,920
Oh, yeah.

601
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:52,920
Pretty much.

602
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:53,920
Yeah.

603
00:32:53,920 --> 00:33:00,520
So and his mother said, I know, son, which I'm like, no, I don't think she knows.

604
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:08,360
So in addition to all of this being fishy, they're able to trace down the rope found

605
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,160
around Halley.

606
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:17,720
So this particular rope was sold at Sears and Roebuck.

607
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,360
And through receipts, they're able to find that it's the tavern owner who bought this

608
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,760
rope.

609
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,320
So keep that in mind.

610
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,320
So they have this information in their back pocket.

611
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,160
And Monty is extradited from California.

612
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,600
He stands trial for Halley's murder.

613
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,960
He claims that body isn't Halley's because he's like, how can you tell?

614
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:47,360
Because of her face, which it's like, okay, well, her hair, dental records, which they

615
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:53,760
did have the dentist on the stand, which was like, okay, good.

616
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:59,560
So the dentist is testifying towards her identification.

617
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:05,040
The prosecutor brings up the topic of abuse during the trial.

618
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:10,840
And Monty did confess that it was the norm for him to get into a physical altercation.

619
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,240
But he said, quote, I struck Halley.

620
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:15,880
She also struck me.

621
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,480
However, I never beat her up and I did not kill Halley.

622
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,480
Oops.

623
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,480
Still not cool.

624
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:29,600
Which, I mean, she might have struck him because she might have just been defending herself.

625
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:36,840
And granted, if someone hits you first, it's, yeah, I mean, Monty are still not looking

626
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:37,840
good.

627
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:43,240
At one point, the prosecutor asked Monty why he hated Halley.

628
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:44,720
And he said he loved her.

629
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:48,120
And he said, the prosecution asked, then why did you beat her?

630
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,360
So Monty did not have an answer.

631
00:34:51,360 --> 00:35:01,200
So their theory is that Monty had strangled his wife on December 22nd, sometime between

632
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:10,000
3am and 6am, and placed the body, her body in the trunk of his sedan, drove to Lake Crescent,

633
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,920
rode out into the middle of the lake, and then dropped her down, tied with rocks.

634
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,920
They think it's either rocks or bricks.

635
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,920
Either way, something heavy.

636
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:29,960
But the real nail in this coffin of Monty's is they were able to have, so they had the

637
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:36,400
tavern owner testify on the stand about that rope.

638
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:42,760
And he said, yes, Monty the beer truck driver borrowed that rope from me a hundred feet

639
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,680
of it to pull his truck out of the mud.

640
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,280
And he never returned it.

641
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:56,160
He probably couldn't return it because it was tied around his dead wife.

642
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,960
Which also, how tacky is it to not even get your own rope?

643
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,160
And he's so stupid.

644
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,720
I'm sure he thought no one was ever going to find her.

645
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:12,120
But why would you even involve someone else that's so tiny?

646
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,480
Well, I don't think Monty is the brightest.

647
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,800
He doesn't sound like it.

648
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:23,880
So on March 5th, 1942, Monty is found guilty of second degree murder, which is unfortunate

649
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,760
because it wasn't first degree.

650
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,760
They felt it was an act of passion.

651
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,480
It's not premeditated.

652
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,560
I would disagree with that only because he beat her so that I'm sure.

653
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:37,560
Yeah.

654
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:44,320
I feel like asking that guy, like the tavern owner for the rope that is premeditated.

655
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,400
It's not like all of a sudden he had the rope and was like, oh, I'm going to strangle

656
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,400
you.

657
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,400
Yes.

658
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,400
Yeah.

659
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,000
But you know, I don't know.

660
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,120
Who knows why they did that?

661
00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:04,880
So he is sentenced to life in prison in prison in Washington state penitentiary.

662
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,840
So he was sentenced to life in prison.

663
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:12,760
He served nine years before being paroled.

664
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:18,840
He went back to California with Eleanor and he lived there peacefully until he died in

665
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:19,840
1975.

666
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:20,840
I'm upset.

667
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:21,840
I know.

668
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,080
I'm like the hashtag justice for howly.

669
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:31,400
So light crescent.

670
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,320
So this beautiful scenery.

671
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:42,720
Again, one of the deepest lakes in Washington state because of the uniqueness of this lake,

672
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:47,560
the chemicals, the circumstances surrounding her death.

673
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:52,800
The lake really did aid into helping her be found and having her, you know, murder

674
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,800
solved.

675
00:37:53,800 --> 00:38:00,200
And because it's such a beautiful area, so many people flock to this place.

676
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:05,920
Millions of people have visited and they are not only enamored with the beauty of the area.

677
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:15,120
They fall in love with this story of Hallie being found and her, you know, murder being

678
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,160
put behind bars, even though it was a short time.

679
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,840
So really it's kind of like you become endeared to her.

680
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,280
You give her the respect she deserved.

681
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,280
She should have had more.

682
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,960
She should have had a whole life of it.

683
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,440
But while Monty will be forgotten and really go down in history as a beer truck driver

684
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:41,120
slash murder, Hallie Latham Illingworth will be ever known as the lady in the lake.

685
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,400
That was so sad, but so good.

686
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:49,600
And I feel like, like, obviously it's so sad that she died, but I think it's sort of

687
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:57,400
beautiful that like the lake helped in like aiding her murder to be found.

688
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:05,320
And it's like such a peaceful place, it's like sad that she died there, but it's like

689
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,440
a very peaceful way for her to be readjusted and get justice.

690
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,360
And I really like that, but that lodge, which I think might actually be the tavern she worked

691
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,360
at.

692
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,320
I think it was the tavern and it's now the lodge you can stay at.

693
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,320
But don't quote me on that.

694
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,320
I'm not sure.

695
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:28,320
I just I just know that building that because I went into that building and we just kind

696
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,880
of sat with the fireplace and it was so beautiful.

697
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,560
And they really lean into wanting her to be known.

698
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,760
Like this is a woman that is special to us.

699
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,800
Not her murderer, her murderer can just be forgotten.

700
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,040
But you know, people really, really like to hear about her and think about her.

701
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,520
And it's a really peaceful area, so it's just really nice all around.

702
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:59,760
And I was actually just thinking, so my current profile picture on Instagram is me at Lake

703
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:00,760
Crescent.

704
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:01,760
Oh, yeah.

705
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:08,520
And next month I will be house sitting for my cousins and I'm going to visit Lake Crescent

706
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,280
again just and then I will maybe post a couple of pictures of me there and I want to go to

707
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,280
Lake Crescent.

708
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,280
Yeah, we should do.

709
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,000
So remember, we have a our podcast road trip.

710
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,440
We'll start in Aberdeen.

711
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,880
And then Chernobyl or we can go.

712
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,680
So Aberdeen Olympic National Park, Seattle to get on a plane.

713
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,000
We're going to Ukraine now, maybe not right now.

714
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,560
Maybe we'll give that one.

715
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,880
We'll give that one some time and then but still, I mean, we could just add to this road

716
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,760
trip with wherever we're going with you.

717
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:43,400
Yes, we can, which is I'm so excited about this and we will find out after a short break.

718
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,400
Do you want me to say it?

719
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,400
Do you want to say it?

720
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,000
I say, okay, okay.

721
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:56,080
So we just wanted to say thank you to all of our listeners for all the kind words and

722
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,400
the support that you've shown us for our first episode.

723
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,600
So we just wanted to read some of the nice comments and reviews that we got.

724
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,560
So Drew, do you want to take turns reading some reviews?

725
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,800
Yes, I do.

726
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,960
The first one is from Lars Unders.

727
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,920
And Lars says, I love these girls' voices.

728
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,600
Oh, that's really nice.

729
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,640
Not everyone has a good podcast voice.

730
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,040
These stories are really good.

731
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,640
Can't wait for more.

732
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:33,160
And Digger and Laura said, this is going to be a fun podcast, very engaging stories.

733
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,880
Thank you, Digger and Laura.

734
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,240
This one, their name is How to Get Past Steps.

735
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:41,800
I don't know what that means, but I love it.

736
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:50,160
But they say, they said, a comfy listen about obscure topics coupled with two clean and humorous

737
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,160
hosts.

738
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,920
Aw, that's nice.

739
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:59,360
And Jima 1940 said, learned interesting facts that I hadn't thought about before.

740
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,200
Looking forward to the next one.

741
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,360
Thanks, Jima.

742
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,280
Oh, this one is from Kate the Kiesling.

743
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,440
She titled her review, Mothra.

744
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,440
Is that you?

745
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,640
Yeah, that's nice.

746
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,960
She said, really interesting and haunting stories told with great banter and humor.

747
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,720
I can't wait to hear your next episode.

748
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:22,600
Well, I hope she likes this one.

749
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:29,360
And then lastly, S10Banny said, awesome start, interesting topics and life lessons imparted.

750
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,840
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751
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,560
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752
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:41,680
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753
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:42,680
Yay.

754
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:43,680
Thank you.

755
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:44,680
Yay, thank you.

756
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:45,680
All right.

757
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:46,680
All right.

758
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:55,840
So for my story this week, we're kind of continuing from last week and we're going to stay in

759
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:02,360
the Soviet Union, but we're going to go further back in time, which it's funny that we both,

760
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:10,440
so I was Pacific Northwest back in time, Pacific Northwest closer to now, your Soviet, closer

761
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,800
to now Soviet now going back in time.

762
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,120
We are just fans of the PNW and the Soviet Union.

763
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,400
I am what's not to like.

764
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,320
It's so interesting to me learning about that time.

765
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:28,960
Me and Roman are both really interested in watching things about the Soviet Union.

766
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,600
You know what it is, the Soviet Union feels like a closely guarded secret.

767
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:34,600
It does.

768
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:35,600
Like because it is.

769
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:36,600
It is.

770
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,600
And it still is to this day.

771
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:38,600
It still is.

772
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:39,600
It's like, oh, you're not supposed to know about that.

773
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:40,600
Yeah.

774
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:45,240
So I am going to be talking about the Dyatlov Pass incident.

775
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:46,800
Oh, I cannot wait.

776
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:52,160
And I have been obsessed with this since Georgia covered it on my favorite murder.

777
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,520
And then I was like, I need to learn everything about this.

778
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:02,240
And now I talk about it so much that my mom's like, oh, yeah, you and your Dyatlov pass.

779
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:03,800
And you're like, yes.

780
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:04,800
Yes.

781
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:05,800
That is my personality.

782
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:06,800
Okay.

783
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:15,000
So we are going to start our journey on January 27th, 1959.

784
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:21,040
So nine Russian students embarked on a hike through the Yurol Mountains of Serbia.

785
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:26,480
All of them were students from the Yurol Polytechnical Institute and they were kind of on a roll.

786
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,160
On a break or like some of them were on a break and some of them had graduated.

787
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:37,200
And you know, you might not want like personally, if it was me, I would not want to go on a

788
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,760
break and go on a long hike through the Yurol Mountains.

789
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,120
But at the same time, they were not allowed to travel outside of the Soviet Union.

790
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,120
Oh, okay.

791
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,800
They were looking for what they could do.

792
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:49,800
Yeah.

793
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,800
Plus, you know, they liked hiking and being outdoors and stuff like that.

794
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:53,800
I can't relate.

795
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:54,800
They take what they can get.

796
00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:02,920
And so the group was led by one of the students, Igor Dyatlov.

797
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:08,240
He was an experienced hiker and had done many difficult trails and led several other groups

798
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:09,240
throughout his life.

799
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:14,240
And he had been hiking these hard trails since he was a child.

800
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:17,000
So he was very used to this.

801
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,240
And pretty much all the other hikers were very experienced as well.

802
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:23,040
So they were all ready for this.

803
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:30,480
And the goal of their expedition was to reach Otortan Mountain.

804
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:36,040
And that route was ranked as a category three, which is the most difficult.

805
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:41,880
So they were like, we are going to do the hardest possible thing.

806
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,560
The most difficult as far as hiking trails.

807
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,120
Yeah, as far as hiking trails.

808
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,120
Okay.

809
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,120
Hikes.

810
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:55,600
And the other hikers, I'll name more of them later in the story, but one of them was Igor's

811
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:01,680
good friend, Zina, his friend, Georgie, who can also be pronounced as Yuri, but there's

812
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,040
also two other Uri's in this story.

813
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,040
Okay.

814
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,440
So I'm just going to go with Georgie.

815
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,440
Okay.

816
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,400
So Yuri suffered from chronic back pain and other illnesses.

817
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,640
And that kind of plays a part into his story and the story as a whole.

818
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,240
So keep that in mind.

819
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:21,000
So they set off on their journey by train.

820
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,640
And on the train, the group met up with another hiker who asked to join.

821
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,240
His name was Sasha.

822
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:32,240
Sasha was much older and a more experienced hiker than the others, which I mean, they

823
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:37,420
already have a lot of experience under their belt, but he was a bit older than the students.

824
00:46:37,420 --> 00:46:44,320
So they arrived at Vizai, which is a logging village that was built by former inmates.

825
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,320
And most of them, most of the residents were inmates and loggers.

826
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,000
And these were inmates who had been imprisoned in the gulag.

827
00:46:53,000 --> 00:47:00,800
So basically like the whole village was built by them and they were forced to do this hard

828
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,840
labor while they're in the gulag.

829
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:09,040
And all of the logging that they did supplied the Soviet Union with a lot of wood.

830
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,040
Oh, wow.

831
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,840
So they're basically like powering the whole Soviet Union.

832
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:14,840
Wow.

833
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:15,840
Okay.

834
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:22,320
So before starting the actual hike, Igor met with a forest officer to show him his proposed

835
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,280
route to have him look over it.

836
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,640
I'm not quite sure if that was something that was required or if he just wanted to get a

837
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,280
second opinion.

838
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,040
But the officer basically laughed in his face and said it was much too dangerous at that

839
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,960
time of year.

840
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:36,960
Time of year.

841
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,240
Or all these Russian names are going to get me confused.

842
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:42,560
The time of your is very bad.

843
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:47,320
Time of your, but Igor decided to continue anyway.

844
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,880
And I have a feeling since he was such a thrill seeker, he was probably kind of excited that

845
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,840
this man said that it was too dangerous.

846
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,440
He's like, well, I'll show you.

847
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,920
Igor is just throwing everyone's lives on the line.

848
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,320
And for reference Igor is 23.

849
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,480
So every 23 year old has done that.

850
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,480
We can do it.

851
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,480
You guys.

852
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:07,480
We can do it.

853
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:08,480
I don't know if I was ever like that.

854
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:09,480
No, I don't know.

855
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:16,120
So the group hitched a ride on a logging truck, which caused Yuri enormous pain from the rough

856
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,400
ride and he was dealing with sciatica.

857
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,840
So it was really making his sciatica act up.

858
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,840
There's nothing like sciatic pain.

859
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,840
I know.

860
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,400
I'm like, I, I commiserate with Yuri so much.

861
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:35,200
Like there's nothing like a rough ride and the cold winter weather to just completely

862
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,640
mess up your pain.

863
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,960
And knowing you have miles and miles of hiking ahead of you, I'd be like, just start around.

864
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,800
I know for real.

865
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:48,360
At this point, they met a former prisoner named Stanislav who offers to show them the route

866
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,560
that they're going to go on.

867
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,000
And while going to the route, he took them across the frozen river for 15 miles.

868
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,960
So they're walking across a frozen river, which is terrifying because what if it breaks

869
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,120
underneath you?

870
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,000
Like at that point, you kind of just have to turn around.

871
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,880
I'm like, hasn't anyone read little women?

872
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,560
They're like, no, we have no, we're in the Soviet Union.

873
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,120
We aren't allowed that.

874
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,040
We aren't allowed that.

875
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:22,760
At this point, poor Yuri's backs and legs are in excruciating pain.

876
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,640
And like you said, he realizes that he can't make this trip.

877
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,560
So he turns around and makes his way back to the village.

878
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,640
And this would be the last time that Yuri would see his friends alive.

879
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,680
Yuri making the first of many great decisions in his life.

880
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:38,680
I know.

881
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,000
I looked and it seemed like Yuri had a nice long life.

882
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,920
So despite his chronic pain, it seemed like you had a good decision making skill.

883
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:48,920
Playing it safe.

884
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:49,920
Yeah.

885
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:50,920
I'm like, it's okay, buddy.

886
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,200
You know, that's not for all of us.

887
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:58,960
So on January 29th, for some reason, Igor decides to follow a path that has recently

888
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:06,040
been made by the local manzi people, which is a group that is indigenous to this area.

889
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,120
Instead of the path that he had originally planned, maybe assuming that it would be an

890
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,640
easier route since the manzi know the terrain better.

891
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,280
No one really knows why Igor decided to go this way.

892
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,600
At this point, the group is lost.

893
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:28,800
And so they decide to pitch their tent at Kalut Sakal, which in manzi means dead mountain.

894
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,400
Oh, which does not bode well.

895
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,480
I'm looking for healthy hiker mountain.

896
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,320
Why do you call it that?

897
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,680
Do they say why they call it that?

898
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,680
Or it's just, it's just ominous.

899
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,960
I mean, it could mean lots of other things, but I don't know.

900
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:50,320
It's just probably not the best feeling knowing that it's called that.

901
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,960
Back at the hiking club where their journey had started, they hadn't received any word

902
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:00,320
from any of the students, and before the trip started, Igor had said that he would contact

903
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,720
them when they made it to their destination.

904
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:05,480
So people were starting to get worried.

905
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:10,560
You know, at first they're like, well, it might take a couple extra days.

906
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:18,360
And Yuri actually arrived back at the starting point, and he was kind of worried when he

907
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,200
didn't see his friends too.

908
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:24,120
But then he was like, well, Igor said it might take a little bit longer than he thought.

909
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,200
So he brushed it off.

910
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:32,400
But then more and more time keeps going by, and students are getting worried, and parents

911
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,760
are starting to say, hey, we need to go look for our children.

912
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:42,640
So students, parents, law enforcement decide to go and search for the missing group.

913
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:49,000
They also enlist manzi hunters and experienced hikers to help them look for the students

914
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,040
since they were much more familiar with the terrain.

915
00:51:53,040 --> 00:52:00,640
The search party then comes across a tent, and the tent is partially buried in the snow,

916
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:05,760
and there is none of the hikers to be seen in or around the tent.

917
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,960
When they uncover the tent, they see slash marks through the fabric, and on the inside,

918
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:16,680
the students fur coats, hats, and boots are left behind, which means that they're out

919
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,040
in the elements with none of their gear.

920
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,480
The searchers then come across footprints, and those footprints lead them to the first

921
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,480
body.

922
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,560
So the first body that they found was Georgie.

923
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:30,560
I have a question.

924
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,560
Yes.

925
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:32,560
Slash marks.

926
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,200
Slash marks going in, slash marks going out.

927
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,720
It was from the inside of the tent.

928
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:45,120
Which is the weird thing, because first of all, why would you not just unzip the tent?

929
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,120
Right.

930
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:52,240
Was it frozen shut, or were they just so frantic about something that they slashed the tent

931
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:53,760
on their easiest way out?

932
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,360
Right, no one knows.

933
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,800
But that would be a terrifying thing to see.

934
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,480
That's like a cat in a bag.

935
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:00,480
I know.

936
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,680
I don't know if that's worse than slashes from the inside or the outside.

937
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,680
Neither is great.

938
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:05,680
Neither is good.

939
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:06,680
No.

940
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:07,680
I would like no slashes, please.

941
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,440
That's just a good life motto.

942
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:11,440
Yes.

943
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:19,160
So the first body was Georgie, and then next to him laying face down is Yuri Doroshenko.

944
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:24,160
Both of the corpses have no shoes and next to no clothes on, which for them, you know,

945
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:30,920
they just have their underwear and some shorts and like a light thermal layer, which for

946
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,080
Serbia is next to nothing.

947
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,600
Oh my goodness.

948
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:42,080
And 300 yards away from those two, they find Igor partially covered in snow and clinging

949
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,360
onto a tree.

950
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,680
And he has, he is no longer alive.

951
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:48,680
He is no longer alive.

952
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:49,680
Because, oh no.

953
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,680
Which that is so terrifying.

954
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:53,680
The visual.

955
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:58,040
The visual of just like a dead person clinging onto a tree.

956
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:03,120
And nearby they also find Zina not far from Igor.

957
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:10,360
So investigator Lev Ivanov is charged with finding out the cause of death of the students.

958
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:16,960
Igor had defensive wounds on his hand and Georgie had a foamy gray discharge around

959
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,680
his mouth.

960
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:23,720
Georgie and Yuri both had burns on their hands and feet, which doesn't really make sense

961
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:30,920
because they would have had to have actually held them in the fire a bit to get those burns.

962
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,240
And I don't know, I mean, I've never had hypothermia.

963
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:35,240
Right.

964
00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:36,240
I can't say.

965
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:41,520
But I just imagine that even if you had hypothermia at a certain point, your brain would snap

966
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,080
out of it and say, hey, remove your hands from your fire.

967
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,080
Get your hands out of the fire.

968
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:51,600
They also tested some of the clothes of the hikers because they found a kind of purple

969
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,920
residue on the clothes.

970
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,880
And Lev Ivanov thought it might be radiation.

971
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,680
And it turns out he was right.

972
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,680
Oh no.

973
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:00,680
Wow.

974
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,920
So you had Soviet radiation.

975
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:03,920
Right?

976
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,120
That is your middle name now.

977
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:06,520
Olivia Soviet radiation.

978
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,680
I love it.

979
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:13,520
But yes, they were radioactive, but none of the people's bodies were radioactive.

980
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:14,760
So that was the weird thing.

981
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:15,760
That is weird.

982
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,920
So it was like they wore them just long enough, but they didn't get any radiation.

983
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,440
I'm not quite sure how that works.

984
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,760
Some people thought that maybe the clothing that they had bought had been manufactured

985
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:35,480
next to like radiation plant or they got them secondhand and they had radiation, but none

986
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,040
of it makes a whole lot of sense.

987
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:45,600
And then on March 5th, they found Rustam, who also has defensive wounds, and they found

988
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,240
Kolia, Ludmila, and Alexander.

989
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:55,480
They all had serious internal injuries, but worst of all, Ludmila's eyes and tongue were

990
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,040
missing and her ribs were crushed.

991
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,160
Oh my goodness, I forgot about that.

992
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,680
I know, I forgot about it too.

993
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,000
Okay, did it look like it had been bitten?

994
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,320
Her tongue had been bitten off or cut out, do we know?

995
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:10,820
They didn't say.

996
00:56:10,820 --> 00:56:18,160
And any of the things I researched, I couldn't see if it was cut or if it had bitten.

997
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:24,360
Some people thought it might be scavengers, but then my thought is why when anyone else

998
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:32,080
have been distracted, especially since she was so close to Kolia and Alexander.

999
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:37,200
And then some people thought that she might have been alive when her tongue was taken

1000
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:43,080
out because she had blood pooling in her stomach, but it also might have been from her other

1001
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,800
internal injuries.

1002
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,920
And you said her ribs were crushed.

1003
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:49,920
Oh, sorry.

1004
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,520
Her ribs were crushed.

1005
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:57,640
But there were no rocks nearby that could have fallen on them because that was an initial

1006
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,800
thought that maybe some rocks could have crushed them, but there was none nearby.

1007
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,800
And there was nothing near them that suggested that there had been blunt force trauma, but

1008
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,200
clearly there was.

1009
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,680
And she was the only one with rib injury.

1010
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,680
She was the only one with rib injury.

1011
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:20,880
A couple others had head injuries and the last four all had internal injuries of some

1012
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,380
sort.

1013
00:57:22,380 --> 00:57:23,380
So that's another weird thing.

1014
00:57:23,380 --> 00:57:32,320
It's like each grouping of people had different injuries and causes of death, seemingly.

1015
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,560
So what is the cause of all these strange deaths?

1016
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:41,280
The official story from the investigation was due to high winds and hypothermia, but

1017
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,880
many people have other theories that could be plausible.

1018
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:52,400
So I'm going to go through some of the most popular theories and then breeze by some of

1019
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,720
the other ones because there's just so many or so many.

1020
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:01,160
So one of the possibilities is murder.

1021
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:02,160
I like that.

1022
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,160
That's number one.

1023
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:04,160
Number one, murder.

1024
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:05,160
Oh, yes.

1025
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,160
Actually, that could be a very, very real.

1026
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,320
But the question is who murdered them.

1027
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:12,320
Right.

1028
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:21,800
So, Yuri appeared to have been moved post-mortem because he had blood pooling in his, I forget

1029
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:26,600
if it was like his back, but he was laying face down.

1030
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:27,600
Oh.

1031
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:28,600
Like someone had turned him over.

1032
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:29,600
Right.

1033
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,600
So he had been moved post-mortem.

1034
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:31,600
So he had passed rigor.

1035
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:32,600
Okay.

1036
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,720
But I was wondering, maybe one of his friends had moved him post-mortem if they weren't

1037
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:43,080
dead yet, but some people believe that the whole scene was staged, the question is by

1038
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,080
who?

1039
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:50,640
Answers vary between the Manzi, the CIA, and the KGB.

1040
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:51,720
I don't trust the KGB.

1041
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,400
I mean, I don't trust the CIA.

1042
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,120
I was like, wait a minute, the Manzi, they seem cool.

1043
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,440
I don't know them very well.

1044
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:09,360
Yeah, the Manzi, the theory about them is that when they were on Kholip Sakaal, that

1045
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:16,880
the dead mountain, that that was supposedly sacred to the Manzi, but a lot of people said,

1046
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,720
no, that's actually not true.

1047
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,880
It's not sacred to the Manzi.

1048
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:26,480
But then others said, actually, yes, it is part of their sacred place.

1049
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:31,680
So it was kind of conflicting narratives of whether or not it was sacred to the Manzi.

1050
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,760
But either way, I don't know how you feel, but I personally don't think they would have

1051
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,720
just killed that whole group of people.

1052
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,720
And then why would they have helped look for them?

1053
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:41,720
Yeah.

1054
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:47,920
And I don't think, I mean, so many times the narrative is, oh, let's blame the indigenous

1055
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,600
people, which is not cool.

1056
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,360
But why would they want to murder young people?

1057
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:55,360
It doesn't make any sense.

1058
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:56,360
It doesn't make any sense.

1059
00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:00,320
And especially since they helped them several times.

1060
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,760
And then the CIA and the KGB.

1061
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:09,800
So there was speculation that one of the hikers was either a KGB spy that had been murdered

1062
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:16,920
by the CIA or conversely, a defector that had been caught by the KGB and that the rest

1063
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:23,520
of the students were just collateral, which I can see to some extent, especially with

1064
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:29,200
the political tensions going on at the time, but I just think it's a weird timing.

1065
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,680
They're like, you know what, we're going to get this guy, let's do it while he's hiking

1066
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:33,680
with his friends.

1067
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:34,680
Yeah.

1068
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,840
It's just like, I feel like they have their resources and they could just get him at any

1069
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:39,840
time.

1070
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,080
While he's at home or he's sleeping or yeah, or her.

1071
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:43,080
Yeah.

1072
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:44,080
They're like, you know what?

1073
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:45,080
Now's the time.

1074
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,080
Now's the time.

1075
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,920
A dead mountain.

1076
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:54,840
And one of the other theories, which I actually think this seems somewhat plausible.

1077
01:00:54,840 --> 01:01:00,720
So Soviet nuclear testing hikers injuries could be explained by some sort of explosive

1078
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:01,920
blast.

1079
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,600
It could also explain the radiation on their clothing.

1080
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:10,600
A picture that one of the hikers took on their camera before they died shows a bright

1081
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:16,160
glowing light in the sky and pilots later confirmed that they were practicing parachute

1082
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:20,480
mine drops around this time, although officials later denied it.

1083
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,800
Oh, well, which I'm like, well, of course they would deny that.

1084
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,480
But I mean, it does seem plausible.

1085
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,160
You know, it's a remote location.

1086
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:34,560
It sounds like not a lot of people were hiking around that area other than the manzi people

1087
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:40,360
because people are not going to be insane hikers like these.

1088
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,840
And let's be honest, they probably aren't overly worried about the indigenous people.

1089
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:49,360
And they're like, sure, we'll just practice our mine dropping right over this mountain.

1090
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:50,360
Oh, yeah.

1091
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:51,360
Oh, that's so true.

1092
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:52,360
Yeah.

1093
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,840
But I think with some of the injuries, it does make sense.

1094
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,760
But I'm still not entirely convinced.

1095
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:58,760
Right.

1096
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,360
And another one.

1097
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,720
This one is very interesting to me.

1098
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:07,040
A Karaman vortex street and infrasound.

1099
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:15,280
So a Karaman vortex is a pattern of swirling vortices known as vortex shedding.

1100
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,000
This can also lead to infrasound, which is a frequency solo that it can't be heard by

1101
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:24,480
humans, but they can be felt and can cause fear and anxiety.

1102
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,040
I've heard of this before.

1103
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:27,040
Right.

1104
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,040
I think it's so fascinating.

1105
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:29,040
It's fascinating.

1106
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,560
It's like a sound that makes you sick.

1107
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:31,560
Yeah.

1108
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:32,760
It kind of makes you crazy.

1109
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:33,760
Yeah.

1110
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:38,480
Which I think would explain some of the weird behavior that they were exhibiting.

1111
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:47,120
Like if you just get this weird kind of paranoid feeling, maybe you slash open your tent and

1112
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,440
run outside with not enough clothes on.

1113
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,600
If you're feeling paranoid, check yourself.

1114
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:53,760
Are you okay?

1115
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:54,760
Right.

1116
01:02:54,760 --> 01:03:02,800
But that still doesn't really convince me with the burns on two of the hikers and then

1117
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,520
the blunt force trauma.

1118
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:12,080
I guess if you were feeling unwell and you were losing your like any kind of like, I

1119
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:18,400
don't know, sanity that you had due to a sound, I guess, I mean, people's brains react differently

1120
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,240
to certain things.

1121
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,840
Maybe a couple of them are like my hands in the fire and the other ones like biting my

1122
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:29,080
tongue, which just sounds terrible, but then there would be part for tongue left.

1123
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:35,320
That's true unless maybe a little scavenger like me would have been a squirrel came along.

1124
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:36,320
No.

1125
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:37,320
I don't know.

1126
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,320
It's like, I'm a squirrel.

1127
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:44,800
Man, no, that is really crazy to think about.

1128
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:45,800
And that's actually really creepy.

1129
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:46,800
I know.

1130
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,200
I actually want to do more research about infrasound.

1131
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,200
Yes.

1132
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,200
Very much so.

1133
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:57,120
And then some of the other theories are UFOs.

1134
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:58,120
Naturally.

1135
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:59,120
Naturally.

1136
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,920
I mean, there's always going to be UFOs.

1137
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:08,320
Part of it was because of like that picture of the ball of light, which could be interpreted

1138
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,680
as many different things.

1139
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:16,920
But a couple of the searchers that were at the base camp when they were looking for the

1140
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:23,120
hikers, one of them reported also seeing a ball of light in the sky.

1141
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:28,680
And at first he thought it was the moon, but then it gradually started getting closer and

1142
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,240
it appeared to be blinking.

1143
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:36,520
He's like, and when it hits your eye, like a big, he's like, is that a moray?

1144
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,600
He's like, no, it's actually a UFO.

1145
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:39,880
He's like, I'm actually Italian.

1146
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,200
I'm not a Soviet.

1147
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:42,720
Oh my goodness.

1148
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:43,920
But so scary.

1149
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:49,400
I guess the Soviet Union had had other UFO sightings, but I feel like that's really any

1150
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,080
place you're going to have UFO sightings.

1151
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:58,080
And when they reported it, they classified it and closed it.

1152
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:02,280
But again, the Soviet Union, I feel like they're going to classify anything.

1153
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,320
They classify and close everything.

1154
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,200
They don't want people to know anything else.

1155
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:13,560
And then of course we have the Yeti or Bigfoot.

1156
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:17,280
Oh, that's my favorite theory so far.

1157
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:22,400
I like to think of the Yeti as Bigfoot's like fun, loving cousin.

1158
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,480
I just feel like he is his cozy cousin.

1159
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:26,480
Yeah.

1160
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,120
Like he likes doing cozy winter cabin things.

1161
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,320
And then Bigfoot is like, I just want to live in the woods.

1162
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,640
Like just let me live.

1163
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:43,280
I guess probably like probably our Yeti visions are aided by the Matterhorn ride at Disneyland

1164
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,160
and Monsters and Monsters Inc.

1165
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:46,160
Yeah.

1166
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,080
And it's just beautiful and white and running free.

1167
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:54,600
I love the thought of any Yeti involvement, but I don't like to think of the Yeti as a

1168
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,320
violent creature.

1169
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:02,480
I like to think of him as coming across the scene and being like, how do I help them?

1170
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,080
But then he hears humans coming and he's like, I must flee.

1171
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:09,680
Or he like tries to help them and he's just really bad at it.

1172
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,680
Like any help I do.

1173
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,720
Is this helping?

1174
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,760
You're like, oh no, I got your tongue.

1175
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:16,760
I got your tongue.

1176
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:17,760
Oh no.

1177
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:18,760
I'm sorry.

1178
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,760
I'm so sorry.

1179
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:21,760
Okay.

1180
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:30,360
So, however, after many years, the mystery might finally be solved, which I was disappointed

1181
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:35,600
and excited at the same time when I was doing my research because you and I, we just, we

1182
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:40,680
love a mystery, but also I want to know what happened to them.

1183
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:44,560
And I like when things are also easily explained by science.

1184
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,440
I think it's really cool.

1185
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:54,120
So at first, I was unsure when I saw that the official story was about being like an avalanche

1186
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:58,920
or intense wins or something like that.

1187
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:03,320
But in 2015, the committee of the Russian Federation started to research this mystery

1188
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,600
again and they determined that it was an avalanche.

1189
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,920
But some people were still skeptical about it.

1190
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:18,920
And one of my resources, naturejournal.com actually kind of did their own experiment,

1191
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:25,480
but with models and with formulas and computer programming and all sorts of stuff.

1192
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,760
I don't understand that.

1193
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:36,440
But I think they sum up pretty perfectly how this could create the worst perfect circumstances

1194
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,640
for an avalanche.

1195
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:45,480
So one, the location of the tent under a shoulder in a steep slope to protect them from the

1196
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:46,480
wind.

1197
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:52,360
So where they had pitched their tent was kind of in this sloped area, which was initially

1198
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,360
to protect them from the, the elements.

1199
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:56,360
Icy cold, right?

1200
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,360
Okay, that makes sense.

1201
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:01,560
And that is one of the things that leads to this going wrong.

1202
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:07,000
But just you describing that alone, it sounds like that sounds like a prime location for

1203
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,040
just the worst.

1204
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,360
You're in a hole, things are going to fall on you.

1205
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,720
Things are going to fall on you or you're going to be trapped there.

1206
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:15,720
Yes.

1207
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:16,720
Yeah.

1208
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:22,760
The second thing, a buried week snow layer parallel to the steep terrain, which resulted

1209
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,240
in a upward thinning snow slab.

1210
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:30,160
So it took me a few times to understand this when I was reading it.

1211
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,320
Is it like a snow slab?

1212
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:36,240
Is that kind of like a, like a base layer of snow?

1213
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:37,240
Yeah.

1214
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:38,240
Okay.

1215
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:45,680
So basically they were on this area, which had become weakened by them being there.

1216
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:51,880
And then the snow slab is basically the piece of snow that would be a part of the avalanche.

1217
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:52,880
Okay.

1218
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:58,800
The third thing, the cut in the snow slab made by the group to install the tent.

1219
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:04,680
So this snow slab, they're disrupting the structure of this, which I'm sure they didn't

1220
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:10,560
know that it could lead to anything bad, but it sounds like a bad idea when you say it

1221
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:11,800
out loud.

1222
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:16,760
But I mean, I wouldn't know if I was out there, I'd be like, this is a great place for a tent.

1223
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,680
And the fourth thing, oh my gosh, I can't talk today.

1224
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:26,040
The fourth thing, the fourth thing, a strong, catabotic winds, which are hurricane force

1225
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:31,280
winds that led to progressive accumulation.

1226
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:37,200
Research simulations done by this journal have shown that even a small snow slab could

1227
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:43,640
result in thorax and skull injuries, which is what some of the students had.

1228
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,400
So maybe the mystery is solved after all this time.

1229
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:48,400
I don't know.

1230
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:49,400
What do you think?

1231
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:55,200
They were like, we think it's an avalanche and everyone's like, nice try KGB.

1232
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,120
And they're like, actually no, it was an avalanche.

1233
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,560
And then scientists are like, actually we did some tests and that might actually be the

1234
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:01,560
first thing.

1235
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,560
And the KGB is like, oh wow, we guessed it.

1236
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:09,680
They were like, oh, good job guy that wrote that report, that guessed avalanche.

1237
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:14,520
I'm still curious though, because I mean, I guess most of them were buried underneath

1238
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:19,240
the snow and it would explain like white Igor was clutching onto the tree.

1239
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:20,240
Yeah.

1240
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:25,680
And I guess probably the force of the snow could cause Lumila to bite down on her tongue.

1241
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:26,680
Yeah.

1242
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,400
I still don't really understand how the eyeballs were.

1243
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:30,840
But maybe that was a scavenger.

1244
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:31,840
Yeah, that's true.

1245
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,040
Oh, that, yeah, the idea of that is not good.

1246
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,040
It's not.

1247
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:37,040
It's not.

1248
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:46,280
No, but I guess when you think about hurricane force winds mixing with ice, I mean, that's

1249
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,120
just shards of glass coming at you.

1250
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:49,120
That's true.

1251
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:50,520
And there's branches around.

1252
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:51,520
Brand, yeah.

1253
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:52,520
Yeah.

1254
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:53,520
Oh my goodness.

1255
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:54,520
I mean, we've been in a snowstorm.

1256
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,080
We live in the Pacific Northwest.

1257
01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:01,320
We know what cold, windy ice feels like.

1258
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,680
And I couldn't even imagine if it was like a hundred miles an hour.

1259
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,240
I've also had shards of glass coming at me.

1260
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,240
And it is not pleasant.

1261
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:10,640
And that was not a hundred miles an hour.

1262
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,400
Like shout out to my car accident.

1263
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:14,400
Wow.

1264
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:15,400
Yeah.

1265
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,920
This one has always fascinated me.

1266
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:20,600
It can go in so many different directions.

1267
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,240
I mean, we love a little yeti action.

1268
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:24,240
We do.

1269
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,000
We love him as being fun, loving and sweet.

1270
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,000
I know.

1271
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,320
I want my yeti to be a Disney yeti.

1272
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,320
I want my yeti to be a good yeti.

1273
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:33,320
Yes.

1274
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:34,320
That could be a book.

1275
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:35,320
Yeah.

1276
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:36,320
A good yeti.

1277
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:37,320
The good yeti.

1278
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:38,320
That was really good.

1279
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:44,320
That every time I hear about it, the more I'm like, yes, this story is just stories like

1280
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:51,680
this are what make mystery lovers just like, yes, I want to hear about this.

1281
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,840
But I want to know the answer so bad.

1282
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:54,840
Yeah.

1283
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,520
Also, I realized I forgot to do my sources at the top.

1284
01:11:58,520 --> 01:11:59,520
So I love to do that now.

1285
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:00,520
Oh, that's okay.

1286
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:01,520
I'm not even sure.

1287
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,200
So as our second episode, the first one we did, you did see, I forgot last time with

1288
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,400
COVID brain, should we do them at the beginning or the end?

1289
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,400
Either way.

1290
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:10,400
Either way, it's fine.

1291
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:14,040
It's fine as long as we're putting them out there because I did not come up with any

1292
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:15,640
of my information on my own.

1293
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:16,640
Neither.

1294
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:22,520
So my sources, of course, Wikipedia, our best friend, which honestly was mostly for

1295
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:27,680
me trying to figure out what everyone's names were, which was really helpful.

1296
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,280
Also we should give money to Wikipedia.

1297
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:30,280
We should.

1298
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:31,280
They have helped us so much.

1299
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,600
We're going to be using them a lot.

1300
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:34,600
Yes.

1301
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:45,120
dyatlovpass.com, history.co.uk, naturejournal.com, which I would go and look at their article

1302
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:51,600
about them possibly solving the Dyatlov Pass because they have a lot of really interesting

1303
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:58,000
graphs and formulas and simulations that explain in way better detail than I could.

1304
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,160
And it was a really interesting read.

1305
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:00,160
So I would look at that.

1306
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:01,160
That was naturejournal.com.

1307
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:02,160
Yes.

1308
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:03,160
Okay.

1309
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:09,760
And then lastly, this is going to sound weird, but conspiracy theories podcast by Parkast.

1310
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:15,280
And I really like their podcast because they talk about mysterious events like this.

1311
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:20,640
They talk about the facts about what happened and then what the possible conspiracies around

1312
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:26,120
it are, but then they kind of rank the likelihood.

1313
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:27,120
I like that.

1314
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:28,120
Yeah.

1315
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:31,520
So shout out to conspiracy theories because I love that podcast.

1316
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:32,520
Shout out to them.

1317
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:33,520
Yeah.

1318
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:39,880
I love a good podcast that gives multiple answers because it's probably any of those

1319
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,200
or maybe none of those, but probably one of those.

1320
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:47,440
And I am also someone who enjoys thinking about conspiracy theories, but then I'm like,

1321
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:50,120
we need to think about the most logical explanation.

1322
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:51,120
Yeah.

1323
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:57,360
If anyone hears something in the background, my husband is also talking right now.

1324
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:03,360
That is Roman Olivia's husband slash podcast producer slash editor.

1325
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:09,120
He has a free pass to do whatever he wants because he's our superhero for this podcast.

1326
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,120
It's true.

1327
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:11,120
Yeah.

1328
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:12,120
Also, this is his house too.

1329
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:13,120
Yeah.

1330
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:14,120
I'm a guest here.

1331
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:18,400
I have like some really random hyper fixations.

1332
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:25,280
So the other day I decided that what I would really like is to have, you know how everyone's

1333
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:29,000
grandma kind of always had those like glass candy dishes.

1334
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,000
Yes.

1335
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,200
I've decided that I want to have a glass candy dish.

1336
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:33,200
Please.

1337
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:37,760
When people come over and I am fully going to have like the grandma hard candy too.

1338
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:38,760
Good.

1339
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:43,000
Because everyone wants, everyone feels a little bit comforted by a grandma hard candy.

1340
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:44,000
It's true.

1341
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:49,720
And so I've been looking for stuff like that on Etsy and I've just been looking for more

1342
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:55,480
unique pieces to have in my house because I kind of have my baseline decoration and

1343
01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:58,120
now I want to add like a little bit of flair.

1344
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,120
Yes.

1345
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:04,280
And I have become so obsessed with depression era glassware.

1346
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:05,280
Oh.

1347
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:11,080
Because there's this so many beautiful like blush pink glassware.

1348
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:12,360
Oh, that sounds nice.

1349
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:18,480
And then milk glass, which is like, it just literally looks like a creamy glass of milk.

1350
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:20,200
Like that's beautiful.

1351
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,760
But I just want all of the.

1352
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:30,840
And depression era, meaning that it's glassware that knows how to turn few ingredients into

1353
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:31,840
a cake.

1354
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:32,840
Yeah, exactly.

1355
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,440
It's take, take this can of Coke and this can of whatever.

1356
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:36,920
I'm like, you know what?

1357
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,440
We are basically going into another great depression.

1358
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:40,440
Oh yeah.

1359
01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:45,080
And I'm going to try as well, get in it with the great depression vibe.

1360
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:46,080
Get in with the vibe.

1361
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:50,880
I'm going to start making flower sack dresses.

1362
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:51,880
You know what?

1363
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,760
They know what they were doing.

1364
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:58,120
I remember reading about flower sack dresses and the fact that flower sack company, flower

1365
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:03,880
sack companies, flower companies, what started making cute flower sacks because they knew

1366
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:08,960
that moms were using the material for dresses for little girls.

1367
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,680
And I'm like, you know, it's little stories like that where you're like that.

1368
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:13,680
There is some good in the world.

1369
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:19,160
I'm like, more of that company is like, try being nice again.

1370
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:23,960
Unlike flower sacks now where it's like, it's paper and it's like, lol.

1371
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,960
If you even try to move me, I'm covering everything with flower.

1372
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:27,960
I know.

1373
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:29,400
You know what?

1374
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:34,080
I feel like the next thing to do is those giant rice bags.

1375
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:35,080
Oh yeah.

1376
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:36,080
Yeah.

1377
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:37,080
Maybe.

1378
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,200
Rice bag dresses.

1379
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:40,200
Yes.

1380
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:41,200
You heard it here first.

1381
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,960
I'll make a rice bag dress for Henry.

1382
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:44,960
Please do.

1383
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:45,960
Yeah.

1384
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:46,960
I that's my cat.

1385
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:47,960
That's my yeah.

1386
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:52,600
And I have a cat named Greg and he would punch me in the face for making him a rice bag

1387
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:53,600
dress.

1388
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:54,600
Yeah.

1389
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:59,680
Henry would just like squirm until he got out.

1390
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:04,520
Greg and Henry being the podcast mascots, they could not be more different in their

1391
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:08,080
personalities, but they are both really good boys.

1392
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:09,160
They are good boys.

1393
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,880
And we'll have to also post pictures of them sometime.

1394
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:12,880
Yeah.

1395
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:19,080
When, when Henry's less shy, he'll probably come out and meow at the microphone.

1396
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,080
I hope so.

1397
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:22,080
Yeah.

1398
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:30,240
Well, until next time, we should be curious and be odd.

1399
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:38,960
And just remember that we're your two little crow friends bringing you little treasures.

1400
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:46,880
Be wary of avalanches and be wary of beer truck drivers that probably drink and drive.

1401
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:49,720
And be wary of the Soviet Union.

1402
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:50,720
Always.

1403
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:55,280
Never trust the KGB.

1404
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:56,280
Good night.

1405
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:57,280
Good night.

1406
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:04,280
Good night.