Linda yeah, that's Linda. Okay
And all right
My Bob my Bob Belcher. Oh my god. Oh my god
Hi everyone, I'm Drew and I'm Olivia and we are oddly curious and we're back
We're back, baby. I
Know at least one of you probably thought they're never coming back and maybe I was me
But I was like no it's happening. I I know I was like drew. I'm so sorry that I keep canceling on you
But I knew I knew we get back to them
like first I
Was moving and then your poor life became upended. I had co vid and then yeah things just kept happening
And then I actually got sick. Yeah, but it wasn't co vid. Yeah
It was just like life and when you work full-time and this is like a hobby. You know, you wish it could be your job
Mm-hmm. You just don't have time all the time. No, you don't but now
We're back and hopefully better than ever. Yeah
2024 is it's our year
To podcast regularly. I don't know. Yes. I'm also going on a two-week trip tomorrow. I know yeah, but we're gonna
And I wish Olivia was coming with me. I'll preface. I'm like she'll just be in my pocket. Oh, thank you
You could like have a little like instead of a flat Stanley like a little flat Olivia that you carry
Okay, I need a picture of you okay and be like oddly curious trip. Oh
Until our real one. Yes, that will happen. We're it could be like a trip or something
Yes, and it could be like podcast themed but also we could just do it for fun. Mm-hmm. We don't have to put the pressure on us
But you know something happens or like oh, that's interesting. Yeah, what?
Let's drive there. I know we were just talking about I think a couple weeks ago. We both want to do like kind of a
Southern Gothic like abandoned towns trip. Yes
Speaking of which I do have a shout out for Southern Gothic abandoned. Okay. I think I said this person to you before
and
they are
Oh
My gosh
Back to Bob Bob Belcher. Oh my gosh
He's a photographer. I found him on tiktok and then I found him on Instagram and
Of course, I can't remember what his name is because I like why put that to memory when you can just be like there
He is but then I can't find it. I will have to find it for after the episode
but it's kind of the vibe I was thinking of what we want to do. Okay, because
It's just so cool, but at the same time I'm like I swear
Some of these places look like they're in the Pacific Northwest
which I think yeah followers and listeners have figured out that's where we live and
I think they are I think some people think it's other gothic, but it's actually eastern Washington and eastern Oregon
Yeah, sometimes like I'll think something is Southern Gothic and then it's like oh
This is actually like on the coast. Yeah
But yeah turns out Southern Gothic is in your heart. It is find it where you want it Southern Gothic is like
The friends we made along the way
There's like a lot of abandoned church
Which is like well that didn't work out for you. No
Something bad happened here, but and maybe it was just the plumbing
Maybe we just needed to do a remodel. It could have just been that on the alley
They just moved into a different building. Yeah, that hopefully nobody died or anything, but like searching for this guy
I sent it to you one time. I
Believe you I just don't remember his name either. The problem is I've sent you so many things on Instagram that it's like wading through this
this sea of how many
Margot Robbie and
Want to do ray pictures right? Yeah, I'm like what have I sent you everything and I know I feel like there's just a few people that
I'll send things to every day and you are one of those people. Yeah same with you
Yeah, so like and it can run the gamut of today was in Metallica meme, which was really fun
Wait, did I find it?
I did find it. Yes. Go Park is his name. So it's yes. I
says B R I S C O E
P a R K. Anyway, it's so beautiful. So beautiful shout out to this guy for
Well, that's scary. Oh, I don't want to go there. I don't know there, but everywhere else. It's like he he goes to places at night
He must feel safe
That's easier to do stuff like that as a guy. Yeah, but it's just kind of like the peacefulness of at night
And you hear like crickets and frogs and it's just a little bit creepy, but it's safe at the same time
Yeah, hopefully he's like not going by himself though. Yeah, I'm like, I don't care who you are if you're going by yourself in the woods
That's you're asking for trouble
And some people on tiktok have even asked him are you by yourself? And he's like, yeah, I feel safe
Which I'm like is that just part of his
narrative of yeah, or does he really have no one with him also the fact that you're saying that you're going by yourself like
If it was a woman like you can't tell someone you're going by yourself. No
Then you're they might be plotting something bad. Yeah
That's gonna be that took a lot. I was like, wow, this took a dark turn. Well, uh, do you have like any recommendations?
I mean you kind of just oh, yeah
But like podcasts or movies or anything that you've been listening to or watching. Yes. No, I can't remember them
But what about you?
Um, I do have a couple recommendations
So there's a book that I listen to and then also a podcast by the same person
So I listen to
It's called
The art of keeping house while drowning by Casey Davis. Whoa, and sounds good
She's like a tick-tock creator and she has a podcast called struggle care and she's
Therapist but she also like kind of built up her
Following during co vid
Because she had just had a baby and she was like dealing with postpartum depression
during
Covid and she
Like her house was a mess like I feel like many of us our houses were mess, right?
and she has good recommendations for
like cleaning house and
Like setting up systems in your house that are helpful for you if like you have mental illness or your neurodivergent or have
Accommodation this exactly and uh, yeah, it's just been really helpful. It's made it
so it's easier for me to like tackle things around the house and
I don't feel like I have to do a giant clean and
And like wear myself out, you know, yeah, that's really good
And um, we were actually talking about this earlier when I was like
If something's not pretty just put a basket there. I got that from her. Oh, you did I did
But I actually did do that before but I have like taken it to the next level of like if there's something
I don't know where to put it or if there's something that's kind of ugly
You just hide it in a basket hiding in a basket
Yeah, just put put it in a basket kind of like my feelings exactly and my
Wants and needs, but yeah, I highly recommend I think everyone should read that book
but especially if like you have a really hard time due to illness or
Mental illness, you know, that sounds great. Yeah, so it's how to keep house while drowning like Casey like the letters KC Davis
okay, which is nice because
Even though we're not moms
We're still drowning because we also yeah, like
Your circumstances changed. I have to take care of everything everything but myself
It's just like yeah, just because you're by yourself doesn't mean you don't have a lot of responsibilities. Yeah, and like I
Have a chronic illness my husband has ADHD
So we both have ADHD. Yeah, we but I'm not your husband. No, you're not
You have ADHD you you guys share in common
But because you know that then it's like you can be kinder to
The struggles are you recognize them? Yeah, and like I'm also learning a lot more about ADHD because this creator
She also has ADHD. Maybe you can teach me something. I feel like I'm constantly being like, oh, that's
What that is. I'm like just listen to struggle here. I'm gonna do it. He sounds a better than I ever could. Yeah
I did find though there is one podcast. I did start listening to it is actually oh
Actually, I have two but one is of it's really a hard listen
But it's voices for justice. Have you heard of this one? That does sound familiar
It is the girl I'm gonna
The problem is my brain just went blank when I thought of everyone's names is it
Sarah tourney. Yes, yeah, okay, and she's
trying to get justice for her sister and her
Elisabeth attorney, Elizabeth for and her terrible dad. Yeah, but then she has turned it into this
platform of finding justice for other people and
I know that we've listened to a lot of true crime stuff. Yeah stuff doesn't really I mean it will
Make me feel sad, of course or just it makes you
Want to focus on
The victim which is what she's doing, but there was this one I listened to and she was like doing a wrap-up of like the end of the year
These things were they found the killer here or they've they got justice here and I was driving
To my parents house, which is three hours away
And there was one thing she talked about. I don't know how she does it
But I started balling and they hasn't I've never had that kind of reaction before because usually I can
Compartmentalize it and it's like I want it not that I want to hear grizzly details and she didn't give grizzly details
It just hurt that much. Yeah, like emotionally and I was like this girl is amazing and
She has nearly like perfect rating on Apple
Podcasts, which is like we all know how people are stinkers when it comes to totally
Yeah, it's like the fact that she everyone is like no, this is good. Anyway voices for justice
It's a hard listen, but it's kind of important just because it's like the stuff you've never heard about it's marginalized
People marginalized women, you know people of color
Or a lot of children, which is like that's what got me. Yeah, I was literally like oh my
Like I actually had to turn it off and listen to silence for a while. I've never had to do that before
Yeah, I
Haven't listened to it yet
But I do I follow Sarah on tiktok and like she has a lot of updates about Alyssa's case and then I saw
When you're showing me that that she also had as a guest Laura from the fall line
Yes, right here and I I love Laura as well. She's so cool. That's even her picture. She looks like I wouldn't mess with her
Yeah, that's another podcast like that is very. Yeah focused and like I mean it's literally the fall line
It's like the people who are left behind but have their marginalized. Yeah, so also I should do a shout out to Chelsea
Like one of my besties who Chelsea?
You're like Chelsea. I know Chelsea, you know Chelsea, but she's the one that told me to listen to it. Good job, Chelsea
Yeah, because she's always on the hunt for new things. Yeah, she's one of us
What a bust but the other thing so we're going from dark and heavy to happy is our mutual friends started their own podcast
Yes, and it's called cozy. Oh
Hold on. I was gonna say the name wrong. Oh, I just
cozy I was gonna say cozy coffee fall date and I was like, why does that sound wrong?
Like cozy coffee fall date because I think you said the fall line
On your head. Yeah, cozy coffee date, which is much nicer. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just happy with our friends Jessica and telly
Yeah, so give it a listen. It's like the things you love about fall
pumpkin spice
sweaters
Having fun things to do when it's cold outside
Just in general being cozy and they are both very good with their research
Yeah, yeah research and being funny and adorable and like instant dopamine. Yes, so cozy fall coffee date and
if you have any kind of
attention deficit you might mess up that name so
We imposed on story and also the other day I was telling somebody at work about my podcast and I said curiously odd
And I was like carry like it. I was like curiously odd
I was like, that's not right. She's like, wow, that sounds so interesting
And I was like, oh, I'm sorry. It's oddly curious and she was like, oh, I was like wait
No, the first one isn't the right one. You're like, did I just mess up? Yeah, they did. Yeah
I don't think curiously odd sounds it sounds clunky. No, if she thinks that's better than she's wrong. Yeah, and
She's wrong. So yeah, I mean if you're listening we love you. Yeah. Thank you
I won't name drop just in case she's like hey anyway
And also thanks to all the people who are listening that
Stuck out our hiatus. Yes. I'm like, I know a few of our loyal
Followers that will be listening but all two of you
Shout out to you guys. We love you and you
My mom told me sometimes the podcast makes her anxious
Which I'm like, mom, I love you. I mean me too. I know
I'm like, so I told her that this episode was gonna be a little bit lighter and
I don't know he lied. I was doing my research and I wanted to apologize to my mom just to have a time
Mom, I love you. Don't listen to this episode
But or listen with discretion listen to my story not Drew. Yeah, don't listen to the first one
And it's not like I chose it to find something terrible. It's I think it's important to talk about yeah, but if like if you're sensitive
Just oh and I guess I mean I will do a trigger warning before my story
But just so you know, I'm not doing any grizzly details. No, I never will yeah, we never do grizzly
Unless it's a bear
Someday we're gonna have to do grizzly man
Yeah, or and maybe cocaine bear. I don't know. I just wanted you grizzly man so I can do a verner Herzog impression
Yeah, oh man grizzly man is grizzly though. It's really
That is one where it's like we won't do details because
This is actually one of the things about living in the north
Western west part of North America where you have to be careful because I have a friend in Australia where it's like
Australia is all about snakes and spiders and everyone's afraid of them and she's like but are you afraid of bears and I was like
Well, we don't see them that often and then I thought about it if it came down to being eaten by a bear or seeing a spider
That just runs across my bed. That's the size of a Yorkie terrier. Mm-hmm. I'm like, of course I'm gonna pick the spider
Yeah, I will choose poison over being torn to pieces. Yeah, I bear and the big spiders in Australia aren't even the poisonous ones
So it's like they're like they're hanging out with you also. I mean you're never gonna catch me
Far out enough in nature to be eaten by a bear though. No, no that will never happen. Yeah
Where it's like because I mean Australia is tough and they have to live with their big spiders every day. Yeah, but I
Mean I saw a tick-tock the other day where a woman was sitting at her picnic table
And she just had to sit and watch as the black bear ate her food because she was afraid
And did you see that holding her son and they barely was in her face like this is really good
Yeah, she she did great though. She like was so calm. Mm-hmm. So you don't have to do that with spiders
No, you know, I mean sometimes I still stay still. Yeah
Sometimes I'm brave enough to kill them and then sometimes they're too high up and I have to ask my tall husband to kill them
I so I try to save them. I'm one of those people if
They are not in the bathroom. I can't deal with them being in the bathroom
You get flushed down the toilet. Yeah, I know one time
Did it climb back up one time? I woke my husband up in the middle of the night
Because it was in the bathroom and it was so
giant
Like was it a wolf spider?
Probably yeah
Because like he came out and he was like, oh wow like I thought you were exaggerating
But that is really big and then like but he has his own zip code exactly and in the same week
I saw the same type of spider at work and I was like, why are you doing this to me?
Yeah, I think that is because we found one in the garage one time
Yeah, and
Like it was big enough that I could see his eyes. Oh, okay
Which then I felt bad killing him cuz I was like looking at his eyes and I'm like, I'm sorry
This is a four-year-old good. I know we are just talking about
Bob's burgers what makes me think of the episode where Louise tries to keep the spider in her room. Yeah, and then it goes missing
Yeah
It's like all your best friends
There's a part of me that is like Louise. Oh totally. Yeah, I would probably
Become emotionally attached to a spider and then feel guilty
I even saw one today at work and I just said hello to it and I noticed it
Look at me, which was a little bit scary, but I was like, oh, what if he was being friendly our spiders friendly
I don't know. I think they are I know every and like the few times
Who am I kidding? It's more than a few times the times I've killed a spider
It's always like a couple moments of an ethical dilemma. Yeah
Because you know, they do so good in the world. I'm like, I'm really sorry, but you're in my home
You don't want me in your home. He's like, yeah, I do because you bring in they're like, I want to eat you. Yeah
If I'm oh my gosh, if it was big enough to be inside a spider's home, then I'd be like kill it like kill it all
Hobbit yeah
She lobe I remember reading that at school when you're reading about the giant spider in school and you're like, oh
My gosh, like I realize this is fake. I don't think you know the spider
Because she's scary and you're
Give she loves the respect it's just like at the top of your brain. I'll never forget
I'll never forget she lobe justice for she lobe actually
She's kind of a jerk. She's kind of a jerk, but at the same time when you think about spiders
They're just trying to survive. She's like, I don't know what you are. I just need to feed my kids. Yes
Yeah, he's just trying to take care of herself exactly
She's the she's a single mother. She's a single mother. She ate her husband
She can't even get child support. Oh
Well, we want to get into our time we should okay
okay, so our our theme for this episode is
It was just gonna be animal heroes or like heroic animals, but we both ended up doing dogs
We were gonna actually do this. We did the same dog. I know and then I was like, oh, I'm glad I said something
Which is like I was like, oh no
I have this I have this ready to go because this is something close to my heart
But as I was doing the research, I was like, this is devastating
But important because it's historical and I think everyone should just know this happened. Yeah
Wait, here we go. And did I cry doing research about this? Yes. Get your get your tissues out. Yeah
Get your glass of wine. Mm-hmm everyone. We have ours. We have ours
Okay, so today I am going to tell you Olivia and everyone else who is listening about
animals in space
Yeah, let's go. Let's go. My sources are an Atlas obscura
article by Eric Grundhouser a
NASA article by Tara Gray and
a space calm article by Megan Bartels and Mike Wall and then of course Wikipedia
Which sometimes I will look at the sources on Wikipedia and it's the same sources of what I've looked up
But they do it in such a concise way. It's like almost like bullet points
Whereas like some articles are so well written, but they're very flowy that you're like
I'm trying to find a specific word and yeah Wikipedia will just have it. So anyway
so
As we have known humans to be they are fascinated by all the things they can't do
Which includes flying I think I say they're terrible terrible as we know humans to be they're terrible
Yes, and they really want to fly and it's kind of like have you ever thought about why?
If you can't talk, why are you wanting to do this? Yeah, why are we trying so bad?
Right, which I'm like, I'm happy for it because then I'm going to go on a 14-hour flight on Sunday
Mm-hmm. So I'm like, I'm thankful for that. But at the same time, it's like, why don't we think we just stay in a boat?
I know anyway
That's just my my personal gripe
But because humans have to create things to help them fly
They need test subjects first because they're not
self-sacrificing because
cowards yeah, and sorry scientists, right and so it just turns out for years humans have been flinging unsuspecting
animals into the sky
and one of the first instances
Interestingly was in 1783
The Mont Gulfier brothers in France. They were aviation pioneers and avid balloonists
They wanted to test out a hotter balloon as a force a force a source of travel from one place to the other
Which sounds whimsical and beautiful, but they're like well we could die
Where should we practice this with animals? Oh the gardens of Versailles
so with Marie Antoinette
watching
Marie our girl our girl Marie friend of the podcast Marie Antoinette
She was among the guests and I was like of course she was there. That's her house like snow. Yeah, I guess it would be like they didn't invite her
They've been really awkward. Yeah
So they watched this happen the brothers in order to test out this form of travel
They brought a rooster a duck and a sheep as tusks subjects
Interesting. Yeah, the only name I could find for these animals was for the sheep. His name was
Mont Ossiel which means climb to the sky in French. That's such a whimsical name for sure. I know
Oh good, right and he was chosen because of his similarities to human physiology
Well, okay, turns out we're all this little sheep
Yeah, the duck was chosen because it already has the ability to fly at a high altitude and would act as a control and
The rooster was a bird that never gets very high off the ground and would act as a comparative case for the duck
And then it's like actually the rooster is just the person who's afraid of flying. It's like you meet someone on every flight
It's like, why are we doing this? I gotta say this whole setup sounds like a riddle. It really does
I'm like so sheep a duck and a rooster walk into a hot air balloon
and
So the balloon took off
That morning with its precious cargo and sailed for about eight minutes
The balloon covered two miles or three point two kilometers for those who are smart enough to have the metric system
And they obtained an altitude of about 1500 feet
For those first eight minutes
It was great until it crashed landed in a small forest
The animals were flying. Oh, thank God. Yeah. I'm like not the bull sheep
I know they're so innocent. You're actually gonna love this. So they were
They were unharmed except the rooster who had been kicked by the sheep
He was fine
Like get out of here
so after
these brothers
like invented this flying come trash come
Contraption, of course, they started using humans as their experiment and then the sheep and the duck and the rooster they became minor celebrities
So cute they all were
So cute they all went on to live great lives
Because they need aviation history the sheep in fact was adopted by Marie Antoinette. I knew my girl was gonna yeah
up to yeah, and
It said he lived the rest of his life eating candy and marshmallows in her sheepfold
So she's not great at knowing she's not by it, but she was just she loved him so much
She's like, you know what would be cute if this she paid a marshmallow
Looks like a version. Yeah, I bet that's what I was Marie. I get you I get you
So of course as time goes on
more forms of air travel is
developed like with
blimps I forget the actual like
Like that. What's that one word a zeppelin a zeppelin? Yeah, I'm like the one that's not a blimp
Doesn't sound like a sandwich
Zeppelin's and then of course
airplanes and it's like of course there are instances of animals going on
Those that's just not as like memorable just because it's like people were on it
Of course, they have their little dog with them. Yeah, eventually so
If you are wealthy enough at the time to travel you might have a little dog with you
That's just yeah, I mean people are doing that today
So we're jumping ahead several hundred years from the Montgolfiers
with their balloon test and we are in the
1940s and it's now the space race
So
We're they're like I have I'm sick of the sky. I need outer space humans instead the final front the final frontier
So before humans could actually go into space one of the prevailing theories about spaceflight was that humans might not be able to survive
Long periods of weightlessness
So for several years there was this debate among scientists that the effect of prolonged weight
Weightlessness would affect humans negatively and then American and Russian scientists were like let's utilize animals which
come on
They just wanted to make sure that a living organism could survive space and come back alive and unharmed
Well, and then there's like a little asterisk there or like the voice from
Um
Like from a rest of development. Yeah, he's like that didn't happen. They did not they did not
So when it came to living organisms the US started small in 1947 they launched a
German V2 rocket that had been captured during World War two and had been
Been refigured to become like a rocket that goes into space and they put fruit flies on board. Oh, yeah
And these v2s were of such high tech
They were long-range weapons that could fly at 3500 miles per hour and hit targets standing as far as 200 miles away
scientists in addition to being
Learning about weightlessness wondered, you know, if cosmic radiation would be in a bad exposure to humans
so turns out fruit flies have a
similar
genome to humans which it's like funny that you think that yeah
75% of all disease causing genes present in humans have the same analogs in a fruit flies genetic code
So they're like if this is going to affect a fruit fly, it'll definitely affect a human. Okay. Yeah in addition to the fruit flies
They also had corn, rye and other plants on board to just kind of see if anything was affected
So turns out fruit flies are really popular in the biological
Researching field because of this and when they came back they survived
There were no effects of cosmic radiation and I wrote they were rewarded a banana
They're like how do we pay these fruit flies?
They were having the best time of their lives
So the first vertebrae sent into space were a series of ill-fated monkeys and mice
launched between yeah
1948 and 1951 by American scientists
for instance one on June 14th, 1949 a
Rhesus monkey named Albert the second blasted at an altitude of 83 miles an
hour
He survived the flight but died on impact. So it's like they're learning
They're like they don't want these animals to die. Yeah the bottom line
But they're like well it could kill someone and it's kind of like maybe a space isn't for us. I love it
It's beautiful. Maybe we just weren't meant to be there. Yeah, maybe figure this out when you have better technology anyway
That's my sidebar
A year later the US launched a mouse and photographed its behavior in a waitlist state
But it was not recovered alive. Maybe I know
Now we're going to the Soviet Union and this just gets more intense. Yeah
First they launched a pair of dogs
Saigan and desic
62 miles into the air which was not quite space level. I think
66 miles into the air is considered space
But they were recovered safely. This is in 1951
but
throughout the rest of 1951 the Soviet Union
Launched so many dogs. It was just like they're like, hey, it works. Let's keep trying
I'm not going into details because there were so many that were hit and miss of whether they survived or not
And then thankfully the scientists working with the dogs were always devastated when they lost one
So it's it was kind of nice to read that they're not heartless monsters. It's like they're they're in a communist
Government they literally have someone
Making them do stuff against their will like they're like my family's gonna get killed if I don't do this, right?
Yeah, so they just were like, okay, and then yeah, I will blame the site. I don't either. Yeah, so
The only funny thing I found when doing research about this is that there was a stray dog
They were going to use named Bobic
What a cute name. No, and she ran away. She's like no, no, right
So they found another stray to replace her and they named her Zib which was translated into
substitute for missing dog named Bobic
And then Zib run ran away. So it's like that's the way. Yeah
She's like not today. So the US and the USSR were keeping close tabs on each other as far as advancing space travel
And after rushes first successful dog trip
Which was those first two dogs the US launched and retrieved an anesthesized monkey named Yorick
along with 11 mice and
I'd forget which article I should have written it down, but one of them said a last poor Yorick
He died and this is what this really heartbreaking. He survived the trip
But he died in his capsule overheating in the New Mexico Sun being waited for rescue
Baby, it's like you guys didn't even think about that like I seriously
I'm like the worst conducts heat. Yeah, and they said metal. I'm like, you think scientists would figure that out?
Yeah, yeah, I don't know
So then
Mace
22nd 1952
two Philippine monkeys
Patricia and Mike
along with
Two white mice Mildred and Albert sounds like they're on a double date. Are they living in like coca-cobana or something?
right
I wish right
These animals were the first to experience a period of weightlessness
Well, also not dying they returned safely and they lived comfortably after their
Venture into space which is like I guess that's the one nice thing about the animals that came back alive is they're like
Thank you for your duty
Now go live a nice life. I wonder if the mice are like, oh my god, do you remember that time we were floating?
Oh god, what happened?
And it's sad because it's like mice already don't live a long life
Like they're just like a portion of their life was in space and then monkeys. They're like
Hey, man, I can I can forget about this because I have so many
Snacks to eat for 20 years. Okay, so because of this
Successful mission by the United States the USSR
Stepped up their game, which it's like, okay, come on
Russia's like hold my vodka. Yeah. Yeah, they were
So we're getting to the star of the show is Leica like
The first earthling to be launched and orbit the earth
Also known as the goodest girl. So I wrote
So behind all of this at the helm is Nikita Khrushchev the Soviet leader
He's so desperate for a spacecraft to be launched on November 7th 1957
Because it's the 40th anniversary of the October Revolution
When they overthrew the Tsarist autocracy. So it's like the Soviet Union was the first
anniversary of when the Bolsheviks killed children in cold blood
They're like, let's put something into space. It's like and kill that and killed it. But it's like I wrote
Why did he want to do this? Just Soviet leader things I guess like
Nikita you're going in my burn book. I know
I don't really understand. He's like to show that we're really successful. Let's go into space. Yeah, like well, I don't know
I don't think that's gonna work out well
So he gave scientists a
Deadline that was like right around the corner. Of course, of course because it's like that always goes well
Uh-huh. They were wanting to do it in 1958 and he's like, no, you have to do it November
1957 so of course of course. Yeah
Because he wanted the world to see his engineers deliver a quote space
spectacular
a mission that would repeat
the triumph of Sputnik one which Sputnik one was the first satellite in Earth's orbit
Which only happened in October of 1957. So this happened a month later. He's like you need to put someone in space
Oh my gosh. No, I'm like the answer is no
So of course if they were gonna do it, they had to use a dog because that's what they had been using
Soviet rocket engineers had long intended a canine orbit of course for
1958 but now they had to move forward fast to satisfy Khrushchev's demands
So they did everything they could to make their November launch
So sweet little Leica
She was found as a stray wandering the streets of Moscow a few weeks before the launch
Soviet scientists chose to use Moscow strays since they assumed that such animals had already learned to endure conditions of extreme cold and hunger
They're like let's make it worse. Yeah, I'm sure let's lure them into a false sense of security and then make them do things
I'm gonna do
So she was this
It was either 11 or 13 pound little female dog a mixture of possibly husky
Or another Nordic breed and then possibly Samoid and then some kind of terrier, which is so cute
She was so cute
So there are so many pictures of her and we'll have to share them on our Instagram. So everyone can cry. Yeah
and she was approximately three years old and
Soviet personnel gave her several little nicknames including
Little Russian names for a little curly little bug and little lemon
So cute and Leica is a translation for Barker because she barked during her radio interview
She was probably like she's like get me out of here. No, like isn't she so cute?
I like that. They're like, it's not crazy. She barks during her interview. Like, yeah, well, she's she's answering questions
She's telling you I don't want to do this two other dogs were also in the running to be in Sputnik 2
Just in case Leica did not work out and one of them Albina
They didn't want to use because she had just had puppies like they were literally taking
female dogs in the house
Literally taking female dogs that could be mothers and being like time to go into space. Well, I mean I guess I'm glad they don't separate her for her puppy
Yeah, that was nice. Okay, so there were two parts that made me a little sad
This one is before the launch of the mission scientists took Leica home to play with their children
Dr. Vladimir Yadovsky said quote Leica was quiet and charming
I wanted to do something nice for her. She didn't have much longer to live
They're like, let's get our children attached to the dog. Yeah, that's great
So Leica was the test dog on a one-way mission into space
Albina was
The backup dog she had actually already flown twice in high altitudes and she became a mother
I'm like go Queen Wow
And then the third dog Mooshka was the control dog and she was to stay on the ground and be used to test
Instrumentation and life support, which whatever that means. I don't know. Yeah
According to a NASA document Leica was placed in the capsule of the satellite on the 31st of October
1957 three days before the start of the mission
So she had to be in her capsule for three days without being able to move and at that time
It was really cold in Russia. So they had to
Keep her area warmed with like warm water
So at least she was comfortable and she had a lot of food like she was well groomed
Even and they like like would paint iodine on her so they could place sensors, but they made sure she was at least comfortable
One of the technicians preparing the capsule before the final liftoff said quote after placing Leica in the container and before closing the hatch
We kissed her nose and we wished her bon voyage knowing she would not survive the flight
Yeah, it makes me sad because it seems like the scientists were really sad, but yeah
I don't know how they could sleep at night. They I would just be saw you just be like this is why they invented vodka in this country
I mean also, I would I would steal her. Yeah, just go on the run. Yeah, and be like me and Leica against the world
Oh my gosh, he's so cute. Oh, okay
So she went up
With no provisions made to return and this sparked a debate over in the West over the ethics of
Sacrificing animals to advance science because at least the United States they always gave I mean even if they it didn't work out
They always had the plan that it would come back even for their fruit flies
We're like if there's one thing the US is gonna do it's gonna be obsessed with our animals
Yes, I mean it's like that is that is like a fine line that the US won't cross. Yeah
But
the Soviet
Thinking is not the same which is very sad
So of course so she did not return and this at least gave them more information on what to do next
so
Soviet Sputnik 5 in 1960 had a very successful mission carrying two dogs Belka and Strelka and
They recovered after orbit and the following year despite Cold War tensions
Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev gave one of Strelka's puppies to young Caroline Kennedy and
They named her Pushenka
Eventually she gave birth to four of her own puppies and John F. Kennedy referred to her or referred to them as the pupnics
Which is cute. That is cute. That's a dad joke. They've totally and then I looked it up and the pupnics are
They're all given to like I mean people really wanted them because again Americans are obsessed with their animals
True and they I think for one of them there was like a drawing or like
You like little kids just wrote in a letter of why they wanted one of the puppies and I think
One of the puppies ended up in like Iowa
Or something and just lived its best life just frolicking through the corn. Yeah, not knowing how it came there because of its ancestors. Yeah
So NASA was founded in 1958 which I really so that's not that long ago
and
despite them being more
Crone to being careful with animals, of course, they also had their ups and downs
but from 1958 to 1961 they had used hamsters mice
monkeys and pigs and
Surprisingly most had a successful return
one in particular in January of 1961 was a champies named Ham
It is an acronym for the Holloman arrow med. I think it's Holloman is like either where he was stationed or the rocket he was in
But he was the first chimpanzee in space a
Board the Mercury redstone rocket and he was on a sub-orbital flight. So he just went up there and he was great
He's really adorable. He's really cute. There's a picture of him and Alan Shepard holding hands
Yeah
yes
so ham performed so well during his flight that
He even recovered quickly he had splashed down in the Atlantic Ocean
60 miles from the recovery ship and he was
waitlist for six minutes
during a 16-minute flight and a post flight medical examination found that he was only slightly fatigued and
dehydrated but in good shape and this paved the way for
Alan Shepard to be the first human astronaut in
May of 1961 so just like four months later. He was that is pretty cool
I think at this point humans were like enough with the animals already like this is our goal. Just put me up there. Yeah
so
after his successful flight in space
Ham went to a comfortable zoo where he spent the rest of his life and then he was
Layed to rest in front of the space Hall of Fame in Alamogordo, New Mexico
1983 like he lived a long life. I'm like that's almost right before I was born
October 18th 1963 so just as a sidebar the French were like let's get ourselves in the running here
They were the only country outside of the USSR and the US to even join the space race
They were just wanting to kind of do it for fun. They're like, oh, whatever. She's so French of them
They love me because this is what is so French of them
They were the first and only people to launch a cat into space. Oh my gosh and the cat survived
Good job French people. Uh-huh and her name was Felicity
And she is so cute. She's a tuxedo long hair. I love everything. We'll think about that. Yeah
They literally like we did it. We all could have kept into space. They're like, let's close up shop everyone
The French are like we proved that we could do it better than you guys
We're out. We used to get that
So Felicity
Was a Parisian stray that was one of 14 cats trained and only one chosen and
Thankfully it was like once France did this they were like, well, that's enough
They're like and she would have to be really famous like in
French-speaking like African countries. They used her face on stamps. It was just
Adorable God, I love France. Yeah, and then of course anytime an animal goes into space
Anyone who has like all the money is like I need that animal. So like she lived in
Luxury the rest of her life. I'm just imagining her like the cats from Marista cats. Totally. Yeah, I
Like that. She sounds like she was like legally blonde where she's like like what like it's hard
Yeah
Okay, so over the course of
The next few decades many different creatures went into space including in 1973 in the US to garden spiders
Oh, Arabella and Anita. Those are very cute. Very cute names. They
successfully spun webs and
This gave scientists the opportunity to study webs that were
Created in low or no gravity, which I'm like, I don't know why they'd want to know that. I don't know why not, right?
But it's like they were different. They were
thinner in some places and thicker which was unusual because on earth they are all uniform
But for some reason the spiders were like and I wonder if it's just because of no gravity. They had to anyway
What scientists learned is
Spiders they know what they're doing. They're like little art little tiny architects of scary. They are very smart. They are I
Actually wrote not sure what they learned from this, but I'm sure it was something
So over the years as human space travel became more commonplace thankfully animal space travel slowly discontinued
By the mid 90s NASA finally which is the mid 90s come on NASA finally started to heavily question the ethics of using animals for research
They're like, are we terrible? Are we the problem?
Like no, it must be Russia. That's the problem
So at least for space testing of course for animal testing, but throughout the 90s
2000s and 2010s many
Organized organisms not human were still launched into space, but they were like 99% of them were insect related
however in 2018 this space X
Elon Musk's space
Company I guess
Launched from Florida carrying 20 mice
They launched on June 29th and arrived at the International Space Station on July 2nd
And this was a record-breaking journey. It's the longest mice have been off-planet and survived
Hmm. I just have to say yeah one of the many
Reasons on my list that I don't like Elon is
The 20 mice put into space. I don't like you. We were like hey, you just gave us another reason to not like you. Yeah
Anyway, yeah
And this apparently was part of a study to show how earth dwellers
Physiology and sleep schedules would respond to being in space, and I'm like you already know, it's not good
Why do you need mice to tell you that? Yeah, did you get a good night's sleep little mouse? He's like, oh my god
I had the worst dreams
Where am I?
Okay, and then finally the latest launch record was June 3rd
2021 SpaceX again because SpaceX is not NASA and NASA's like
Hey, we decided to not do this, but and Elon's like I'll do whatever I want. Yeah, he's like I'm gonna buy NASA
Don't buy NASA. Don't get that idea. No, please don't don't so they launched water bears
What I know this like they're like
Target grades I forget the term for it, but they're like the heartiest little creature they can live in the vacuum of space. I
Did not know that I'll just show you a picture. They're a little freaky looking mm-hmm, but they are
Like they can be frozen for thousands of years and still be alive. Huh? Okay. Yeah, like hold on. This is worth noting a
Water bear in space. Oh
Yes, I have like tiny tiny tiny
Interesting weird things, but they are just
Doing something they're micro animals. I don't know I should know more about them. I don't know what they do
That's interesting though. Yeah, so in addition to the water bears
They also sent Hawaiian bobtail squid. Oh
To the International Space Station and the squid were launched as hatchlings and will be studied to see if they can incorporate
Their symbiotic bacteria in their light organ while in space. I don't know what any of that means neither
In fact, it sounds like a lot of baloney. It does. I'm like, I don't think they want to do anything about their light organ
Did you even ask them? They said no
So to wrap it all up
I'm gonna give you a quote from NASA to because NASA is gonna try and make you think that this was all for good. Okay
Over the past 70 plus years
American and Soviet scientists have utilized the animal world for testing
Despite losses these animals have taught the scientists a tremendous amount more than could have been learned without them
Without animal testing in the early days of the human space program
The Soviet and American programs would have suffered great losses of human life
These animals performed a service to their respective countries that no human could or would have performed
They have given their lives and their service in the name of technological advancement paving the way for humanity's many forays into space
I like that. They're like, you know, if we hadn't tested on animals then humans would have died
What if you just didn't go into space? Yeah, that was always an option. I think there's some guy out there
That'd be willing to go into space despite
the oh, I'm sure
Yeah, some guy is like yeah, I'm gonna tell you something
Space I'm gonna do it
And I guess each of like these like ham like a and
And felicitate they all each have their own
statues in their respective countries and then I was reading about how
Ham had his own like of course had their own because it turns out in like 2017
Russia felt so guilty about what they did to like that. They had they basically wrote a formal apology
Good. I mean it took you a long time
So they gave her her own statue, but the French were like, how do we not have a statue of felicitate?
So they actually made a go fund me for it and in 2017
I believe they also like erected it and the guy who started it
He was like this is one of the things that shows the internet is a good place because literally
She deserved this and we made it happen because of people that is around the world. So anyway, that's to
wrap up one of the saddest things we've had to talk about and
I hope I did them justice. I think you did. Yeah, thank you. I'm like
Sad
But also angered angered. Yeah, but also I like learning about cute little animals
I'm glad felicitate was okay and had a life and ham and ham. I just you know justice for Leica
Yeah, Leica makes me feel so sad. I know also just like
Imagining them giving her little kiss. I know like that just breaks my heart
At least what I hope is that she was warm and comfortable. She like had all the food she wanted
She was very snug. She got kisses on her nose and I think she might have just gone to sleep. Yeah
So that's what I hope I hope so too. Yeah
Okay, well, do you want to take a short break before I do mine? Yes, I do need a breather for a second
That's good. All right, so it's time for my story. Yes, and
Don't worry listeners. There is no dog death in this story. So it's okay
It's just the story of a very good boy and this good boy's name is Togo the
Well, I'll just tell you the story of Togo. Okay, I feel like Togo the amazing dog
I'm like, you know what? I'm not gonna tell you anything about him yet. I can't wait. So my main sources were
Uh, the American Kennel Club had a great article called the true story of Togo
And that was written by will Hank and then of course Wikipedia and that was pretty much all I needed
Yeah, they were so detailed. So here we go. So first we're gonna start with Togo's or
His orange story. We're gonna start with his owner
So his owner's name was
Willam DeFoe
We wish he should be Willam DeFoe. He needs to be played by Willam DeFoe
But he was played by Harrison Ford, right? Yes, he was played by Harrison Ford and I will get to
The movies and everything soon. So just preemptively listener if you watch the movie
Put Willam DeFoe's face over Harrison Ford. I've never said that sentence before in my life. Yeah, that's a weird sentence
That is weird. We're like, don't look at Harrison Ford
I'm like, I've never been told to not look at Harrison Ford. I feel weird about it
Okay, so but his owner's name was Norwegian born Lenhardt SEPOLA
And he first arrived in Alaska in 1900 and when he arrived there most sled dogs were
Alaskan Malamutes and
SEPOLA began making a name for himself as one of the strongest
Mushers in Nome, Alaska and for those that don't know, Mushers are the ones that are like
the humans that are
Telling the dogs how to go like on the sled kind of like a conductor kind of yeah the dog conductor
They're like the trainer. Yeah, basically
Around that time Siberian Huskies were brought to Alaska by Russian fur trader William Gooseck and
In the summer of 1909 English, Musher Fox Ramsey, which is a great name. That is a great name
Imported 60 Siberians to know I think he was in X-Files
I almost said regal
I don't know
Wow, it's special
It's estimated that Togo was born in 1913 to a dog named Dolly. Oh, no Dolly the mom dog
She's so cute. Apparently she was a very good breeding dog
Poor Dolly. She's like, she's like, tired of these kids. They don't want to keep having babies. Yeah
Maybe she liked it. I don't know. Yeah, Togo was named after
Hey, Hachiro Togo a Japanese admiral who fought in the war between Russia and Japan and
Togo was dark brown with cream black and gray markings and he had ice blue eyes
He was very cute. We have lots of pictures that we're gonna post with this pick with this episode because he was just so cute
And I like just a Togo collage. It will like look at his cute face
Togo
And as a puppy Togo suffered health problems
So Sepla gave him up for adoption because he didn't think that he could use him as one of his
musher dogs
so
He gave him up to a nice family. However, little Togo threw himself through a plate glass window and
Escaped back home. So Sepla figured he was stuck with the dog and he kept him
That is intense. Togo. He's like you will not give me away. I
Can't even throw myself through a plate glass window as a human and he was just a little puppy. Wow
He's the baby. He was proving his strength. He was he's like I am cantankerous
As Togo grew he loved to watch the working sled dogs
But he was too young to be in the harness
But he would often get loose and run alongside the sled dogs anyway. So Sepla finally relented and
Put a harness on eight month old Togo and hooked him up to the team
Which I wish there was pictures of that. I bet that was so cute
It would be so be like an 80s montage where it was just like a fun song playing and it's like rocky
The best
Oh, that's karate kid. Yeah
These are but karate. Yeah
So little eight month Togo ran 75 miles the first day in his harness and
Sepla finally realized that he had found the perfect lead sled dog
Over the years Togo became known for his tenacity strength and intelligence
Togo and Sepla became inseparable and during this time
Sepla won the all Alaska sweepstakes, which was a mushing competition in
in 1915 1916 and 1917 with Togo being the lead dog and
then
We're getting to what Togo and Sepla are famous for
So in the winter of 1925 a deadly outbreak of diphtheria spread in no, Alaska
Children were especially at risk for the disease, but due to the isolation of gnome getting the medicine was very difficult
I really want to be like could they get it? No way
No way home. Yeah
They're like that's it you're fired
They did have an anti toxin
But the nearest they could get it by rail was a town called Nanana. I don't know if I'm saying that right. I'm sorry
It sounds good to me. It sounds cute
Which was
674 miles from gnome. So that really that's really far remotely. Oh my gosh. That's so far
That's like when you're in California driving to LA and you're like, I'm so close to LA. I can feel it and then it says
Los Angeles
674 miles. Oh gosh, I know it takes forever and you're like to LA. That's it. I'm turning around
Why did my brain go?
I like I got a lot of that. I'm on the five. I got a tech on exit
Sorry togo. Okay. Sorry togo. We're gonna get to your story. Yeah
There was also a blizzard. So traveling by air was impossible. So officials decided on sled dogs
By the time of the outbreak sepula was 47 and toga was 12
So both were a bit old and considered past their prime
I was like the NBA. I know
I mean like not old by any other standards, but by their standards. They're like, oh, I mean for a dog that is old
Yeah, like 47. Yeah. No
Uh locals knew that sepula and toga were their best chance. So they recruited them anyway
On january 20th sepula and his 20 best dogs set out for gnome to retrieve the serum
sepula's team and the westbound team led by Henry Ivanov nearly missed each other
But were able to make the trade because this was kind of a relay situation and there were several teams of
mushers and sled dogs
but um sepula and his team by far traveled the greatest distance because they were the most experienced
um on the ice
Sorry, I can't talk. On the return trip the team became stranded on an ice flow
sepula tied a lead to togo and tossed him across five feet of water
togo attempted to pull the flow
With the rest of the team on it, but the line snapped togo being a very smart and good boy
I put that in myself
Yes
And an amazing lead snatched the line from the water and rolled it around his shoulders like a harness and pulled the team
To safety. He's so smart. He's such a smart and good boy. The heck
I know
I don't know if people could figure that out. No, seriously. And like he would have to have such
quick reaction time
strength and
Yeah, smarts pulling 19 other dogs and a grown man
It's crazy. It's crazy and it's almost like
That sounds fake like
When if you wrote that into like a screenplay, they're like, yeah, they're like come on. That's a little come on
Yeah, and togo's like, no, this is very real. Yeah, sepula's like, that's my boy. That's my boy
That's my plate glass boy
sepula and his team made the handoff in
gullivan
And the final stretch of the relay was led by musher gunner kawson who had chosen balto who is often thought of as
The hero of this story
And actually balto was from sepula's kennel
But sepula had not chosen him because he thought that he was not ready to be a lead
I have a question. Yes. Are balto and togo related?
They're not
Oh
Interesting. I know I thought I mean if they are it wasn't very anywhere here
But this article was like super detailed. So I think if they were yeah, I mentioned. Okay. Also
Did you ever watch the movie balto? Yes
Okay. Yeah, I watched that when I was a little kid
And then when I found out that he was not even the one that did the majority of the trip
I was like, what the heck like why is this not about telling a lie?
I know it wasn't charlie sheen is voice or something. Oh god. I don't remember. Who was the voice of balto?
Oh, we need to look this up because it might be like
This may this rings true. Oh that'd be so sad. Is it christianslater? It's got that vibe. Oh, let's see
balto
I haven't seen it in so long
We need you to like a justice for togo. We do I guess disney did just make a live action. They did kevin bacon
Oh, it was so fun, but it's a little bit
And I remember I was like obsessed with the girl. She was so beautiful and uh
And I was played by bridgett fonda
Oh my gosh
Anyway, Jenna. Yeah, I was like I wanted to be that girl dog me too. I want to be a girl dog in
Um, alaska in the turn of the century. I'm like, why is it so specific? Why is that dog so pretty so pretty?
Oh, okay. Um, so back to back to balto. So february 3
1925 uh kason and balto ride into gnome
and the lead dog balto who finished the last 53 miles gets more fame and recognition and
uh, many say that it was sepula and his lead togo that were the true heroes togo did an impressive
264 miles compared to the average 31 miles of the other teams
261 miles. Yeah
And did balto get that I don't know. I think it's just because they were the ones that finished that
Oh, I see. So probably when they got there there was like, I imagine
news people reporters
And it's not like now where you can get news on demand and it's not like they're like togo was here first
Yeah, they're like this might have just been balto and I'm sure you know, like they're all doing this to try and help
Sick kids. So I'm sure sepula is not like, hey, it was my dog. You know, and it's also I keep like attaching
Human personalities to these dogs. They're dogs. Yeah, they're literally not even caring that someone thinks someone did something better than them
Yeah, togo was like, I'm just doing my job. He's like
He's like, I just really like running. Yeah
He's like, who's balto?
He's like sniffed him and he's like, oh, yeah, I recognize that smell or he's gonna be like, I don't even know him
He doesn't go here. No, he does
Okay, um
so in
The years following the rescue mission
sepula traveled to new england and took on
a local
teams and a dog race
And even though togo was 12 years old, he might have been older at this time
He was in the lead and they triumphed
During togo's last race and beat the other team. What? Yeah, and he he did not die right after that
He just retired because he was 12 because in like a movie he would just collapse and right sepula's arms
but no because sepula was a good owner
so he just realized that it was time for him to retire and then
um when he was 12 sepula and
sepula wasn't 12
I will get the win but it sounded like sepula was
to us so
Strongest preteen we've ever met
They made a real different back then they did
um
When togo was 12 sepula and new england musher elizabeth ricker opened up a kennel and poland spring main
Where togo lived out the rest of his years and togo was put to rest at the age of 16 in 1932
Which for like wow for a dog even now. Yeah for a dog now and also like
For the breed for the job
Because usually dogs like that like I know anything about dogs. Do you like that? I'm like well my experiences
No, I don't really know anything
But I do know if dogs are a working class don't they kind of like make their heart tired because I don't I don't know
Yeah, I just I just remember like learning about that my first job was at a dog kennel. So I had to learn about oh
okay, yeah, um, so like
We learned about how um great danes for instance. They don't live very long because their heart tires out
So dogs that have a lot of power. It's like they want to keep living but their body's like I'm so I'm so tired
Yeah, that's what I've heard like a lot of times bigger dogs like they don't last as long
But maybe huskies are just resilient. Maybe
Maybe maybe they're built different in the 1930s. I don't know hashtag built different
And then um sepula himself passed away in 1967 at the age of 89
Wow, and as for his thoughts on togo and the great race sepula spoke about it in an un
unpublished autobiography
He said afterwards
I thought of the ice and the darkness and the terrible wind and the irony that men could build planes and ships
But when gnome needed life and little packages of serum it took dogs to bring it through
Oh, I know so sweet. I I also really wish his
Uh autobiography had been published because I'd be really interested to read that but there isn't one
Uh, not that I've seen. Yeah, maybe
I don't there's just one written in norwegian
Maybe I don't know. Maybe his family just didn't decide to release it
balto who is uh, you know considered the hero he
earned a statue in central park and for years togo didn't get the recognition that he deserved
But he received his own statue in seward park in new york city in 2001
And he also got his own movie on disney plus
And it starred his own descendant diesel playing togo his own dissent
Okay, I have to watch the movie now. Have you watched it? I haven't because I for some reason
I was worried because it has dogs on it and that makes me sad not like I just did a sad dog
Right
But I think since I know the dog survived, maybe I should just do it
I know and I would love to see his
Uh descendant and plus Harrison Ford
And he was also recently featured in the uh, American Kennel Club Museum of the dog exhibition
mush a tribute to sled dogs from arctic exploration to the iditarod and he
He is also on display
Oh his body?
Where?
I think it's in alaska. Yeah, that would be interesting
But um, that's a little weird. I feel kind of weird about that personally, but if that's your thing
That's cool. Yeah, I saw
So one time I went to amsterdam and we went to the rikes museum and there was a horse there on display like a real horse from
the napoleonic era
And he had a really interesting name in a life, but it was so weird to see a real horse that was just there. Yeah
and
hundreds of years old. Yeah, that's
I'm like, I would rather just imagine him. Yeah, and well and there's also I
When I was researching I almost started crying because there's this really cute picture
I'd actually had pinned to my pingers for a while of togo and sepula and then in the article
I was reading it said
sepula bidding a final farewell to his beloved dog and I was like, oh gosh
That's right in the heart. I know
Dogs really are the best. I know as much as I love cats. I don't think a cat would ever care enough to
Run 600 miles. No, they they show their love in other ways. Thank you, but
Yeah, I can't I don't know who am I gonna say maybe a cat has done that. I feel like cats are like, oh, you need to have that done today
They're like, let me just lay down and lick myself. Yeah, like let me think about that
But yeah, I can't wait to post pictures because togo has the sweetest little face
It's gonna be like the episode of the goodest boy and the goodest girl. I know togo and leica
I hope friends forever
I hope they're on the rainbow bridge together. They are
And togo's a lot older than her, but I feel like if they were in the same
Era they would have been friends. Yeah
also, this is
Sort of related to the story but not but the other day I was like
Do you ever like hear a sound on tiktok and you're like, I don't know what that's from so I'm gonna like click on the sound
Yeah
I made that mistake. Oh, because it was a sound from the movie all dogs go to heaven
No, which I never watched as a child. You never know myself
No, don't do it because I was like I like dogs and then I was like, oh
Oh, and she's in it. That's where I got the voice from the dog's name is charlie. Is it charlie shane?
I don't know
Look at the dog's name is charlie. Yes. He's like going to the little girl and he's like
I'm just coming to say goodbye and she's like, where are you going and I'm like, oh, oh gosh
Oh gosh, now I need to see
But yeah, just that movie. I don't know what it is about children's movies in the 90s
It was all about we're going to rip out your heart
Seriously, they just wanted us to cry all the time. They're like, here are your abandonment issues
It's not remotely charlie sheen at all. We don't even like charlie sheen. Why don't who is it?
It's burt reynolds
Wow
I like it even more now because I know it was a mustache
So I love burt reynolds. I love burt reynolds
I we're putting this on here first. We love burt reynolds
Also, I was just watching golden girls the other day and they're all excited to meet burt reynolds
And at the end like burt reynolds comes to the house and is like, I'm here to pick up sofia
Because they didn't believe her right? Yeah, like that's nice. Sofia. Yeah, man
Golden girls is such a comfort. It is
I'm like watch that instead of all dogs go to heaven. Also real talk pedro pascal is current burt reynolds
And his face. Oh my gosh, totally right?
Yes, because I saw a trailer for a movie. I don't even remember which one it was
But I was literally like that is burt reynolds. He's got like the mustache thing
Immediately like well, I am interested. Yeah color me interested. He's like one of the few old
Hollywood actors that I feel like I haven't heard
Like please don't tell me if you've heard anything bad because I haven't heard anything bad about burt reynolds
I haven't either just the classic 70s stuff for people probably smoke and drink. Yeah, but cheat on their spouses
I hope not probably not. I haven't heard anything creepy. Yeah, nothing. Yeah, yeah, that's the
That's the real thing, isn't it? Yeah, but
Anyway, that's the story of sweet sweet boy togo
I'm really glad you ended on that one because that was much happier, you know, I was like
I think I said you the gif of like
Tobias on rest of development like crying. Yes, that's exactly it
That was me like even though there's like nothing sad in the story. I was like he's just such a different way
It's so pure. That was me at work. So like having to help patients in between
Like rereading my research and being like, oh my gosh. Why am I doing this to myself? Yeah
well
Do we have anything else to say before we go?
Um
Well, I do have one thing to say. Okay, is that
togo story
It shows how humans and animals if they work together
It can be really good. Yes, and that I think humans are supposed to take care of animals
Especially if you've domesticated them. I think that's your responsibility. Exactly. But it don't abuse
animals abilities
Because they don't have a way of advocating for themselves. Yeah, if you if you're out there
And you do anything to animals, we're gonna come and kick your butt. Yeah, we're like
Don't even do it. Don't even think about it. We're like Liam Neeson. We have a special set of skills. Yeah
When Liam Neeson only when it comes to animals, yeah, humans were like, man, I wish I could do something
I don't have
I can actually can do CPR
Oh, yeah, you're like that won't help be anyone up but I can resist. Yeah
Yeah, but that's about it. And um, if you're gonna watch a movie with animals look it up on
Does the dog die? Yeah. Um, that is important. Yeah, I have used it before. Yeah
And I'm gonna watch the Harrison Ford
Um
Tug a movie where Harrison plays Willem Dafoe? We should have a movie night. We should. Yeah
And let's not watch all dogs go to heaven. Oh, no. No, I simply can't except his rentals
Man, that makes me so happy. We're gonna watch something else with her. Yeah smoky in the banding. Yeah
Goes to heaven. I also
I also don't want to watch deliberate
Oh my gosh
Don't even look that up. Don't look that up even on anything. No, just make sure you don't know anything about deliverance
Also, I haven't watched it either. I've just listened to a movie podcast talk about it
So I just know that so many people who were alive as adults in the 70s like my poor dad, for instance
Just went and saw it because it's like it's burnt Reynolds for Reynolds in a movie. Yeah, and then you're in it and you're like
What's happening? I got to get out of here
Also kind of insane like how for years I heard it referenced like in a joking way
Not funny. And then when I heard what actually happened to the movie. I'm like, I am sorry. What? Yeah
But don't use this as an excuse to look anything up anything look up pictures of togo. Yeah, look at togo and
Willem Dafoe
And Harrison Ford and for Reynolds
But not all dogs go to heaven. Don't look up
Animals in space. They'll make you feel sad the inside. Okay, and well, that's all for me
That's all for me too. Yeah
We'll see you next time, which will be really soon. Goodbye. Goodbye