hand up
one
We in sync and sink.
That was not fun.
It's like in sync on another level.
That was beautiful.
But also, hello.
I'm Drew.
And I'm Olivia.
And we are.
Oddly curious.
And thank you for joining us.
And today is our 10th episode.
Yay!
Which it feels like
I can't believe it's 10 episodes.
I know.
Because I feel like a lot of time has gone by.
Yeah, but also.
Not.
I'm like, wow, already 10 episodes, but.
Yeah, time is weird.
Time is weird.
Time doesn't exist.
No.
It's a construct.
I mean, I think that's what they tell me.
Who's they?
I don't know.
Don't ask.
I haven't seen you in a while.
I know it feels like a long time, which we keep saying that,
but it's also like, I think it's just because I don't remember
when I saw you last.
They could have been not that long ago.
I think in reality, it's only been a couple weeks.
Yeah.
But it just feels like it feels like a long time.
Yeah.
What's new with you?
Let's see.
What is new?
Not really a whole lot.
We've both seen Barbie.
Oh my gosh.
That's right.
And since the last episode to now, Barbie came out and Barbie has
barbied our lives.
And I, my life was like already barbied, but it's like barbie
times two.
Yeah.
It's what I've been waiting for my whole life.
Yes.
I will, I will say Olivia is more Barbie than I am in life,
even though I did, I did like Barbie growing up and I had
Barbies.
I had a lot of what is called hand me down Barbies, which
worked the fun ones because they were all from the 80s and they
had fun 80s clothes.
That is really cool.
I think she hit her fashion peak in the 80s.
Not that her fashion is bad now, but I'm like, there was
something about 80s Barbies clothes that were just like so
much valour and so much shiny and so many poofs.
And her hair was so big.
So big.
Ugh.
It was full of secrets.
I just, and I loved, they had the most dramatic lives in my
room.
Ken was always cheating on her, but it wasn't like nobody, like
because there wasn't many Barbies.
So he was like cheating on her with some unknown named person.
I'm like, I don't know why she was other.
Ken other.
Oh, probably.
Probably.
I mean, who knows.
But, uh, yeah.
So I think you are the Barbie in this world.
That is so nice of you to say.
But I mean, like that's what I think of.
As, yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I escaped from Barbie land and now I regret it.
I would too.
I know.
I don't know where I escaped from.
That's someone that's like, that's a story from another time.
Anything new with you?
Let's see.
I was like, that's great.
I think that's the story.
I just kind of want to go and say, again, I, I, I,
I don't know if I'm going to be able to say that even though I
don't have time because I don't remember time anymore.
Oh, not this last week, but the week prior.
Because of my job.
I.
Okay.
I have, I move around a lot.
Not like large distances, just locations.
The bummer thing about working at the beach is that you see the beach all day.
You're working nine hours, but then when you get off, you're like, oh, I'm tired.
I don't want to do anything.
You're like, there it is.
There it is.
But that was a, that was like a fun little highlight.
It was almost like I got paid to be on vacation, but at the same time, it wasn't
a vacation.
Yeah.
Which is because it's like, well, I can't really afford to vacation right now.
Anyway.
I know.
So I'll just stare at the ocean and be like, okay, well, I'll go to bed early.
Yeah.
As far as I get on vacation is our pool, which is very nice.
Very nice.
I still need to come.
I know.
I have my blow up, uh, major cat beach ball, which I still need to bring.
And then I don't know if I'll be able to blow it up and bring it over, but I have,
um, a floaty lapras, which is the Pokemon.
But it's the Pokemon that looks like the Loch Ness monster.
It's fun to play on.
So cute.
That was a gift from one of my nice roommates.
When we, uh, go to the pool, we like to, they have like a tiny little basketball
hoop and you can shoot baskets in the pool.
Oh, that would be fun.
And the other day when one of your roommates came over and, uh, three of us went to the
pool, we were playing horse, you know, like an elementary school.
Was anyone a horse?
Uh, yeah.
I believe Ashley was the horse.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
I don't know why.
I don't know why either.
When we were little, she would always beat me, but my husband has given me some basketball lessons.
So it does help.
All the credit goes to him.
He gets basketball credit.
Yeah.
Do you have any, um, like podcasts or movie wrecks?
My movie wreck is the Barbie movie, which I feel like that's everyone's.
Yeah.
What?
And if it's not, then please don't talk to us.
Oh, right.
What did I?
No, yeah.
Yeah.
Um, I did start listening to why can't we talk about Amanda's mom, which is a cold case
that has so many wild twists and turns.
And a lot of it has to do with the fact that, um, the mom was a sex worker and they just,
they did not treat the case with respect, but the way she died was pretty terrible.
And the, yeah, like major trigger warning.
Yeah.
So be careful.
But it's handled really respectfully.
And I haven't finished it.
I haven't finished it yet because I was listening to it while I was working and then life.
You recommended it to me and I finished the whole thing.
You did?
Oh, but the thing is I have had my brain.
I'm like, spoiler alert.
I got analysis of spoiler.
I have ADHD.
So like I will hear things and then six months later be like, that's what I wanted to listen
to this one.
And so then I'll start it and then I have so many podcasts that I'm in the middle of
where I just need to go back to.
Yeah.
Plus I, my job allows me to listen to podcasts.
So I have more time to.
Right.
You don't have to interact with people.
Go through it, which is my favorite.
And that's nice.
I interact with so many people and you know how people can be.
People be peopleing.
They really do.
And so I'm like, for instance, the last time I worked, I heard an older lady yell at
the doctor, get away from me.
I hate you, which to me was like, you know, respect to her.
I'm sure we would all like to say that the doctor in question is actually wonderful.
There's nothing to be alarmed with.
I think it was just like, it was just like you're sitting there when you're in business
and then you hear that screamed and you're just like, all right, so it's this kind of
Friday.
Yeah.
I'm like, sometimes even if it's a nice doctor, if you don't want to go to the doctor,
that's just how you feel.
Yep.
I have a podcast recommendation.
I'm ready.
I need to remember the name of it.
So it's called believable.
The Cocoa Berthman story.
And it's a dear media podcast and definitely trigger warning for this podcast as well.
But it's really interesting because this girl, she became an internet famous because she
was sharing her story of surviving sex trafficking as a young child growing up in Germany.
But like a lot of the things in her story just really don't make sense.
Or they're like, no, super outlandish.
And it's one of those things where it's like, probably there is some truth to it, but then
because of mental illness or trauma, she's just like really what am I trying to say?
Embellished.
Thank you.
Embellished it.
So it's a, oh my gosh, I'm losing words today.
A journalist that is looking into the podcast and she's like trying to interview Cocoa.
I don't think they've gotten to interview Cocoa yet, but interviewed Cocoa's mom and
like some people that have known her.
And she definitely is at some aspects a scammer, but it's just like how much of it is a scam
and how much isn't.
So anyway, it's really interesting.
It's a reminiscent of like the million little pieces book that came out.
Yes.
Where it's like, this is a harrowing story and then, oh, it's probably not all true.
Yeah.
So that one's really interesting.
Sounds good.
And then I'm, I'm such a dork because you have been watching Murder, She Wrote, which
is great.
And apparently there are several Murder, She Wrote podcasts.
And oh my gosh, I have to start listening to that.
I'm listening to one called Cabot Cove Confidential.
Oh, that's so cute.
It's really cute because it's a married couple that is doing it together.
And I just think they're like a super cute couple anyway, but the wife was already
like really into Murder, She Wrote and has like watched the whole series through, but
now they're both going back and watching it and like doing recaps and ratings of
each episode.
And it's just delightful.
I love that.
Yeah.
So that I need it.
I need to start that because I also haven't watched Murder, She Wrote in a while, but
there was a time like, especially during the pandemic, I was like, oh, she's making
me feel so safe.
I know.
I was just trying to help that.
With my father-in-law because we both like Murder, She Wrote.
Well, he does.
Oh, that makes me like him even more.
And we're like, Angela Mansberry is just so comforting.
Yeah.
She, she was a national treasure.
I know.
She still is.
She still is in our hearts.
She's like British Betty White.
She really is.
Yeah.
RIP.
I'm trying to think of if there was another, some, I feel like there's something that I
was listening to on the tip of my tongue that I just can't even think.
I'll probably think of it for next time.
But I'm kind of like with TV shows, I will just watch something that is comforting.
So then I will, I will re-listen to old podcasts.
Oh, you too.
Yes.
We are the re-listeners.
AKA mentally ill.
Oh, yeah.
High five on that.
Okay.
So we are trying to do a new thing where we're going to try and have a theme each week for
the podcast.
Which I actually think is kind of fun because it'll help me stay on track with what I'm doing.
Me too.
Which I mean, yeah, it helps us.
But then it's kind of exciting because it's like, well, what did you do?
Find for this theme?
So episode 10.
Technically last week was last week.
It was two weeks ago.
Episode nine was the first theme for sharks.
This, this is like the first official we're theming.
Yeah.
We're like sharks.
Brought it to us with their old cuteness.
Sharks are the gateway to themes.
Sharks are just the gateway to a lot of things.
Yeah.
But this week's theme is poison.
Yeah.
Not the band.
This episode is poison.
Oh, yeah.
What's a poison song?
Oh my gosh.
It's.
That's a British band.
Yeah.
I feel like the one I am thinking of is actually.
White Snake.
I was getting confused.
Someone's yelling at us and they're like.
Um, every rose has its thorn.
That's a poison one.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
I didn't know that either.
Oh, they're from Pennsylvania.
It's probably because white snakes from England.
I get all of those bands kind of become one where I'm like, even Motley crew.
I don't know them very well.
They just, if they have hair and spandex, they're all one band.
I forget, is it white snake or is it scorpion that has Sebastian Bach?
That's the other one.
I get kids like to be there all one band.
White scorpion poison.
I think I'm pretty sure it's.
Sebastian Bach.
Let's find out.
I like saw him first on Gilmore girls and then I found out afterwards that he was a rockstar.
White snake is from England.
Hold on.
Let's go to scorpion.
So he's probably scorpion.
Scorpion.
Yeah, cause he's American.
Yeah.
And he's like, Hey guys, what up with these British dudes?
Oh, Scorp.
It's scorpions.
What?
Why did I always think it was not either was singular?
Is this the Mandela effect?
It might be.
Yeah.
Rocky like a hurricane by scorpions.
I thought it was.
I apologize to the scorpion.
Well, they're from Germany.
Baca is a German last name.
Hold on.
I'm like, do you mean Johann Sebastian Bach, the composer?
We're like, I saw him on Gilmore girls.
It was so big.
Wow.
He's so tall.
He was born in the Bahamas.
He's six three.
He has fabulous hair and.
Guess what band he's in.
Skid Row.
That's another one.
So every rose has its thorn.
And we every podcast has its Skid Row mess ups and scorpions.
We started so on track.
And then we got to Sebastian.
Okay.
Is that his real name or was he just really into the classic?
Did his parents just give him the raddest name ever?
Oh, no.
His name is Sebastian Philip.
Birk.
His stage name is Sebastian Bach because he's like.
Ayo, gotta get that.
Got to get that big hair and wearing a cravat.
I don't know.
It's really funny because like I can imagine his voice in my head so well.
So imagine him saying that is really funny.
So anyway, back to poison.
Yes.
This is a poison episode.
Yep.
And I go first.
Yes.
And are we ready for this?
Y'all ready for this?
Are we ready?
I mean, are we ready?
Okay.
I'm sorry.
Okay.
So today, Olivia, I have for you.
I'm going to be talking about the
Shiels Green also known as the deadly Victorian arsenic dresses.
And then parentheses dresses and beyond.
My resources are the Paris review.
Article called Shiels green, the color of fake foliage and death.
By Katie Kelleher.
An article from medium called looks that kill.
Shiels green, the prettiest shade of arsenic by Ashley Nicole Hunter.
Arracked.
Calm.
Dot.
Calm.
Wow.
Got a little bit Australian.
Dot.
Car.
Article, the history of green dye is a history of death by Jennifer right.
And of course, Wikipedia.
Okay.
So I'm going to be talking about the fact that I'm a Victorian.
The mid 1800s.
In Victorian era Europe.
It's like my favorite time.
Right.
It is.
Well, I mean, it is really lovely, but there are so many.
I should say my favorite time to read about read about like we don't
want to visit.
No, I don't want to be there.
No, the more I read about Victorian England, the more I'm like,
I'm a Victorian era.
And we are also in the industrial revolution.
And because of this, many people are enjoying its prosperity,
but due to the same fact, there is a less enjoyable.
I guess.
What's the word?
Wow, I'm starting off real strong.
Like a cause and effect.
This is good for people having, you know, more jobs, more money.
And wherever people are watching their green fields and clean air
get replaced by factories, smog and grime.
Capitalism.
Yeah, there we go.
And this is a time when Londoners and Parisians alike were
concerned that their streets had turned gray with pollution.
And gas lighting had just been invented and became our common
place.
So they could not hide the fact that their grimy scenery was all
around them with dim candle lighting. It was kind of like, well, if I can't see it, it's not there.
Now they have brighter lights even at night and they're like, man, this is such a bummer.
And that's gas lighting, the light fixture, not the trying to make someone think they're crazy.
Right. Actually, maybe both. Maybe. But probably just the light fixture.
So they would have to take note of the the travesty their landscape had become.
People became nostalgic for what they'd lost. They were nostalgic for toiling in the fields and
being at the countryside and women would be nostalgic for when men were men. Apparently they were
not as happy when men had white color jobs and would go to smoke and drink somewhere. And
they were just like, what happened to the old times? Turns out, every time in history,
someone's been like, I just feel like the past was better. It's kind of like the midnight in Paris
effect. And also probably the people who are like, oh, I miss when people worked in the fields.
Those people were not actually working in the fields. They miss it. Yeah. They're like, my hands
are grateful I'm not working in the fields, except they're now working in a factory. I don't know
what is better. However, because of this, they became interested in protecting green spaces.
So they now have urban landscapes. They have public parks, public gardens. So there was,
you know, something good coming out of this. However, parks were outside. And because of smog
and pollution, people wanted their outside inside. They wanted the vibrant green ferns on their
wallpaper. They wanted to wear emerald gowns. They wanted real or fake foliage on their hats.
They just really wanted the countryside in their homes and at their parties.
So they would wear, well, probably just women, wreaths of fragrant flowers. And then if, you
know, fresh flowers were out of season or of course they didn't last long and they were expensive,
then reproductions would do. So fake flowers became all the rage. And then women would go out to
parties at night. And now that the rooms were considerably brighter, thanks to the new lighting,
they wanted to make sure they stood out so they would wear really boldly green dresses.
And then this green, people, you know, put it everywhere, wallpaper, carpeting. It was said,
especially Victorian Britain was quote, bathed in green.
Sounds pretty. Yeah, I know. And the pictures are actually really lovely. So it turns out green
is notoriously hard to get right with dyes. I did not know this. And when you do find a nice
shade, it tends to fade. So in addition to wallpapers and carpets, of course, it made its way
into human bodies like we talked about. And not just dresses, it was waistcoats, shoes, gloves,
and trousers. Empress Eugenie, the Empress of France, she was married to the Third Napoleon,
which was the nephew of the Napoleon we know. She was the notable it girl of her time,
in addition to Queen Victoria, of course, and she adored green. It was said that at one night at
the Paris Opera, she wore a gown so breathtaking, it made newspaper headlines the very next morning.
It stated the dress was a spectacular deep set green with colors so vivid to remain unchanged
by gaslight. And she loved green because she thought it brought out the gold in her hair.
And the Paris Review articles said, quote, and even if that wasn't true, the gold dust she sprinkled
in her hairline certainly held. Wow, she is fashion. She is the moment. She is the moment. So can
you imagine being like, I want to be her, but she has good quality because she's literally an
Empress. Yeah. So it's like actual gold. She owns several Colombian emerald necklaces, as well as
an amazingly extra emerald and diamond headpiece, which is known around the auction circuit as
the Donner's Mark tiara, which I looked it up. It is done. Yeah, you're going to be blown away.
It's full of 500 carats of emeralds and the most expensive tiara to ever be sold at auction. It was
sold for 7.5 million pounds in 2011. I looked it up today. That would be 10.5 million pounds or
about 13.3 million USD for just a tiara. And it's when you see it, you're like, well, I get it.
It's pretty stunning. Yeah. But we know how influence works. There are literally influencers
today. So she was, you know, pretty much an influencer. She couldn't help herself. People
look to rich and famous people to see how to dress, how to wear colors, what to eat. Of course,
not everyone could afford such things, but we'll learn that this green, especially the dangerous
one, was affordable and it was pretty. And it made people happy. It made them think of a simpler time.
So if it gave you a rash or an oozing sore, I mean, it's Victorian England. What wasn't going to give
you a rash or an oozing sore? Exactly. So this green, particularly in 1775, was invented by
Carl Wilhelm Schiel, a Swedish-German pharmaceutical chemist. The color was made through the process
of heating sodium carbonate, adding in arseneus oxide and then stirring until the mixture was
dissolved, then adding copper sulfate to the final solution. Schiel invented this green almost
accidentally, but he was thrilled when he discovered the bright hue that he could name after
himself, no less. But it did trouble him as the color, when it went to production, he told a friend
he thought people would want to know about the poisonous nature. However, he marketed it anyway.
He's like, you know, he's like, but they might want to know. Which ironically, the color green, I mean, not back then.
It's probably just, I think the US's money is only green. Okay. So despite the character flaws,
this green was so striking and profitable. It was not only cheap to produce, but it
mimicked hues found in nature. It wasn't too yellow. It wasn't too teal. It was a middle green with full
saturation, no gray tints, no underlying hint of brown. It was called a vegetal green, the color
of fiddleheads and ivy vines. It was a garden color for city dwellers. And this allure of green
was impossible to resist. I, right, yeah, and I think we are both green. I want to learn. So when I
saw the color, like when you see pictures, I would have been like, yes, I would have succumbed to that
green. I'm like, I want it now. And I know it's definitely, what's a little rash? I'm like, I want
it now. I know it's definitely what's a little rash. No, I'm like, wait, it's beyond the rash. You'll find out.
Another green that came on the scene was emerald green, which was also a combination of copper
and arsenic. It was described as being the most vibrant of colors. And this was invented by George
Field and produced by the Wilhelm Sattler Company in 1814 in Germany. Another name for this was
Schweinfurt green or Paris green. And it was created to be an improved version of Schiels green. It was
bluer and it was described to look like an actual jewel emerald. And this successor to the green
was more stable and durable. But it is still full of arsenic. It was also more opaque and durable than
any other color on the market. So of course, people wanted it because it's not going to fade. So of
course, house paints, carpets, clothes, printer inks, shoes, hair accessories, and artificial flowers.
It was used in detailing and patterning and wallpaper. It became so fashionable to deck your
parlor or drawing room with scenes of stylized strawberry vines and blousey headed green tulips.
And it was apparent that if you could afford it, any and all houses had a form of this green in
their house. So it sounds nice, right? So the dust from cheaply made wallpaper prints would flake
off making arsenic particles float in the air. The arsenic fumes would emit from the production
of the arsenic would release into the air under warm and humid wall or sorry, warm and humid conditions.
It started to be known that children and the frail would die in green pattern rooms by rubbing
against the walls or playing on the carpet. Small animals locked in arsenic green painted rooms would
be covered in pustules. There were multiple effects of prolonged arsenic poisonings that would happen
in polluted environments, such as cardiovascular disease, skin hyperpigmentation, keratosis,
neurological problems and developmental disorders. People would also have arsenic ulcers in
contacted areas. I do not recommend looking at those pictures at work because I did a little bit
of research at work and there were very detailed pictures of genitals from doctors' notebooks
at the time. Like they were an actual medical journal, but it was like if anyone sees this,
they're going to be like, can I talk to you in the back? Yeah, I'm like, yeah. I'm like, how do I
talk my way out of this? So in addition to that, there was reddish and peeling skin happening on
thin, unprotected skin like lips and nostrils. And then in addition to that, people would suffer from
nausea, colic, anemia, chest complaints, fatigue and headaches. Right. Yeah. I'm like, have you
checked yourself? I'm like, I'm like, me on a regular day. And then of course the muslin ball gowns
that were very fashionable in this Victorian era. The green dye on these dresses were loosely
dusted with powder, which would flake off and become airborne, especially while dancing. And it
was said of women at the time, quote, she actually carries in her skirts poison enough to slay the
whole of the admirers she may meet within a half a dozen ballrooms and quote, very metal. Yeah.
But of course we can chalk it up to many not knowing the toxicity of arsenic compounds at the
time, which is true. However, they have found 19th century journals containing reports of children
wasting away in bright green rooms. Ladies in green dresses, swooning and of newspaper printers
being overcome by arsenic vapors. And then an example of acute poisoning of children attending
a Christmas party where dyed candles were burned. But at the time, it was also as ubiquitous as
plastic. So despite all of these symptoms, it was so common to find it everywhere because they
weren't really sure where the symptoms were coming from. So it was also in candy, paper,
toys and medicine. So using it as clothing and accessory dye was very normal. It was like, we
have no idea why this is happening. But please, you know, eat this candy. Right.
It was said that some European countries had acknowledged the dangers associated with this
color well before it reached the craze in England. But by the time well before Britain found out about
it, they ignored it because it made so much money. One example actually in Paris in 1859,
Dr. Ange Gabrielle Maxime Virenois, a physician whom Napoleon himself would consult, was visiting
a flower making workshop that suffered from a fatally ill staff. He noted that many of the male
workers had ulcerations on their green hands, yellow nails and crater-like scars on their legs.
Female workers had poor appetites, constant headaches and an anemic pallor. He watched them work
and made the connection between their ailments and the green dye. He observed that men tasked with
coloring the fabrics used for the flowers would apply green dyes directly onto the cloth using
their bare forearms. And they often would have open wounds from the nails that held the cloth in
place. So open wound wasn't necessarily from the dye, but it was getting right into their bloodstream
because of those cuts. Women on the other hand would take the cloth and shape it into accessories
usually with their bare hands. Later studies would conclude that less than one eighth of a teaspoon,
one eighth of a teaspoon, which is so tiny, of this paint was a fatal dose and these workers were
working with it daily in gallons. After Virenois reported these findings, the French and German
governments passed laws that restricted the production of arsenic-based pigment, but these
again largely ignored by the British government. Another example was a girl in London. Her name
was Matilda Schur, a 19-year-old woman who applied the arsenic green dye to fake flowers.
In 1861, she started to complain of nausea. She started to grow up, grow up, well,
grow up green water. The whites of her eyes turned green. Her nose, mouth, and eyes started to foam.
And when she died, she claimed everything she looked at was green.
When people began investigating the workshops, such as the one she worked in, they found other
women with similar distress, like one who had kept on working with green to her face was one mass of
sores. Yeah, it's just the visual alone. I feel so awful for them. In 1862, physician Thomas Orton
was called in by a couple by the name of Turner to investigate the mysterious illness that had
killed three of their children and threaten the life of their remaining daughter. Earlier, doctors
concluded that the children had suffered from diphtheria because their symptoms were very similar.
However, Orton noted that none of the family's neighbors had caught the disease,
leading to suspect another cause, the green wallpaper that covered the walls of their home.
It had long been a rumor in the medical community that arsenic in the paints might be released under
air in certain conditions, creating a poisonous atmosphere. So of course, Dr. Orton believed
this to be the case. He unfortunately was unable to save their daughter's life. And he immediately
asked to conduct an autopsy on her body. He was able to get a test sample of her tissue and
determine that the cause of death was indeed arsenic poisoning. At the inquest, however,
the presiding judge found his findings, quote, objectionable, and quote, leading the jury to
rule the child's death as a result of natural causes, because you know, children just die naturally.
Don't know why, but.
Yeah, that don't know why, but just sweet past away. Get rid of it.
In 1871, one lady purchased a box of green colored gloves at a well known and respectable house
and was horrified to find her hands broke out in blisters after putting them on.
Unless the dye was sealed, sweaty palms would cause the dye to run into the wearer's skin.
At the same time, a foreign dignitary staying with Queen Victoria told her that the wallpaper
in his room started to make him ill. And further inspection, they noticed a mouse like odor was
being produced from the wallpaper. Mouse like odor was being realized out of the wallpaper.
Yeah, but he was probably from a country where he realized that was the wall band. And what's gross
is that I looked into the mouse like odor and it was like rat catchers. Could there was like a
certain smell of like it's smell rodents. And it's like when your wallpaper smells like dirty rodents.
It's time to get rid of your wallpaper. So Queen Victoria, instead of being incensed by
having her decor blamed, she was quick to have the wallpaper removed. And it was said ironically,
when people such like this foreign dignitary, when they would complain about being sick,
usually they were put to bed in those very spaces where the arsenic would have ultimately killed
them. Like, I'm so sorry, you don't feel good, you should go to bed. You'll never wake up.
Yeah, despite this, especially in England, arsenic was everywhere. Bakers used arsenic
green as food coloring and restaurants would add it to their drinks. There was even a deadly
Bradford sweets poisoning in 1858 when 21 people perished from arsenic laced hard candies.
And then 10 years later, UK legislators finally set limits on acceptable amount of
arsenic and food. The acceptable amount is no amount. They're like, you know, just a little.
Although there were shades of blue and yellow made for the same process that included arsenic,
those dyes did not get quite the same bad rap as the shields green and the Paris green.
It seemed like green was always the culprit because it was so desirable at the time.
Yeah, I was gonna say, because it was everywhere. There was a movement to stop
sales of arsenic dyed dresses at least by women. So female activists and wealthy women wearing
these garments called for research, regulations and restrictions on these products. Finally,
in England, bills were passed to regulate the number of deadly chemicals that could be sold to
a person with the control of poisons bill and the arsenic act as it was finally classified as an
irritant poison by the 19th century, but it had gone on too long. The production cost of
polluting the environment as well as physical medical problems, stricken workers and their
consumers who were in contact with the dye were finally the reason the dye fell out of fashion.
The popularity of this type of green started to end in the 1800s. For example, countries such as
Prussia prohibited sales of arsenic colored pigments by the 1830s and then finally,
Bavaria and France, they prohibited sales as well by 1845. In England and the United States,
they banned the dye much later because they regulated free enterprises. Then by 1880,
home decor was finally discontinued using arsenic greens for their wallpaper collections.
It was funny, they mentioned how eventually this green fell out of fashion much like the
avocado green from the 70s in America. Now, Schiels green feels a little bit like a relic of the time.
While women continued to wear flowers in their hats, the flower making industry never quite
recovered. Not only did the demand for fake flowers fall out of fashion, but reforms of the
20th century made it more difficult for flower makers to turn a profit because many of them
relied on child labor because of their dexterous little hands, which is very sad.
Then following World War I, women's clothing became much more streamlined and the elaborate
decorations of the late Victorian period were seen as fussy and old-fashioned.
Because there were, of course, ingredients in Paris Green that were used for killing
little animals like rodents and things, that's pretty much what it became.
By the early 1900s, Paris Green was blended with lead arsenate to kill rodents in Parisian
sewers. And also, it was noted that the mixture could burn trees and grass when it touched it.
So that was like, oh, I know. Paris Green was also repurposed to kill flies and mosquitoes due to
the risk of malaria. And there were large amounts given to farmers and soldiers to spray on puddles
and other types of still open water during the First World War. During World War II, Disney
released a wartime video explaining the effects of malaria to the lonely farmer and to use Paris
Green spray to kill flies and prevent illnesses from infections and diseases. The short was called
the winged scourge. And this is from 1943. This worked for a while, but eventually,
thankfully, environmentally safer insecticides became more effective in commonplace. Still,
this discontinued Paris Green was used in small quantities in developing countries,
which is sad because the last thing they need is arsenic. So by the end of the 19th century,
most of the arsenic greens were replaced with different colors used with just copper carbonate,
which were still strong colors, but less deadly. Popular culture showed, for example, evil alien
attacks leaving behind a toxic sludge, which looks similar to emerald green paint. The fear of green
still has its vestiges in modern media. Green is seen as the color of malice. It's seen on the skin
in clothes of movie antagonists. Some theorize that the use of green to denote poison in cartoons
was directly influenced by arsenic green. It was only during the 1980s and 90s that green started
to be seen again as a favorable color, which is because of an environmental movement, which was
ironic because it symbolizes life. And then in the 2005 documentary, the signe Chanel shares their
long-standing superstition of seamstresses don't like green. The fears of the color green came
from Coco Chanel's bad experiences with the dye and the death that happened. And last but not least,
many people speculate that Napoleon might have died because of the green wallpaper in his house.
So he was defeated by the Duke of Wellington at the Battle of Waterloo in 1815. And then, of course,
as we know, he was sentenced to be exiled by the British crown to a small island called St. Helena.
And so St. Helena was this tiny island where he lived with just a few servants. And he stayed
there until his death. And the house was formally owned by the East India Company, but was renovated
for Napoleon's stay. And he loved the color shields green. So every room had it on its walls.
And the BBC Radio production in 1980 discussed the mystery with one of their listeners. They said
that they had an ancestor living on St. Helena, who had torn a piece of the wallpaper in Napoleon's
room as a souvenir. It had a small green floor deli designed with a lighter background. And when
the wallpaper was analyzed, it contained traces of shields green. His whole house was covered in
this wallpaper. His bedroom, kitchen, bathroom, all covered in the wallpaper. And it was his favorite
color. It was speculated that the humid air and warmer air would warm up his house,
making the arsenic lace room activated. Napoleon would have been breathing in arsenic-ridden air,
making him weaker. And when a lock of his hair was analyzed, it showed that he had traces of
arsenic in his body. It may have contributed to his other illnesses, adding to his fatality as he
died of stomach cancer at the age of 51. Right. Yeah. And it makes sense. I'm like, it probably was
the wallpaper. So otherwise, today, you can purchase books that are still colored this same
green that have traces of arsenic on the cover. And it's suggested that you wear gloves when
handling them. Otherwise, arsenic-based clothing, unless it's in a museum, they have all largely
been destroyed. And hopefully, nothing will happen like that again. And that is the story of
shields green slash Paris green slash deadly arsenic dresses of Victorian England.
Oh my gosh. It's so interesting. Yeah. And it was funny when you mentioned how green is used so
often to pick villains or poison. I remember seeing a post a long time ago that was how all
the D. villains always have greens surrounding them or green in their design. Oh yeah. Oh my
gosh. They're her little garden of people. They're all green and sickly looking.
Yeah. I'm trying to think the evil stepmother queen on Snow White when she dips the apple.
It's green. It's green. Yeah. Yeah. Like everyone be on the lookout. They're like, this is the color
of the green you see in old timey cartoons. It's funny because now I think green has definitely had
like a turnabout like it's like cottage core and pretty and people want it for like painting
their bathrooms and their dental offices and the millennial dream. Oh man. That Wow. That was like
the millennial green couch. I never had one. Yeah. I never wanted it. It is very pretty. I think
people get it because it's very pretty. That's very pretty. I think people will not show up so much
on velvet. Mm hmm. That makes sense. Yeah. Have you read any of the book? I think it's
no, but I've always wanted to dresses or looks that kill. No, but I know it's it's really interesting.
I heard the author be interviewed on. Oh, okay. What the podcast was, but it's nice.
Fashion history podcast and they talked about shields. Yeah. No, I want to listen to it.
Interesting. I'll have to find the podcast. Yeah. So it's just like there's so much about history
that you don't realize this like has been touched by something else. I never thought Napoleon and
shields green would have anything in common. Else. I never thought Napoleon. Well, we do now.
Right. Historians. Historians that have new like many. They're like degrees and years of experience.
They're like, um, yeah. And now we can annoy people with those parts. Yeah. Yeah. And now we can
annoy people with those parts. Yeah. Yes. Do you want to take a quick break before my topic?
Yes. Okay. Three, two, one. Okay. Sounded good to me. My hands say differently. Out.
All right. So now it is my turn. Yes. And I will be telling you the story of Nanny Doss,
aka the Giggling Granny, aka the original Black Widow. So, um, just a quick trigger warning for
child death and a little bit of essay, although I do not go into any detail. Okay. And my sources are
a Murderpedia article and all that's interesting article by William DeLong and then, uh, an
article about Nanny on AlabamaHeritage.com, which is where I got most of my information.
Good job, Alabama. Shout out to our Alabama listeners. Hey, Alabama. Okay. So Nanny was born
in Blue Mountain, Alabama as Nancy Hazel to James and Lou Hazel. She had one brother and three sisters
and her father was very controlling and he had quite a temper and Nanny and her mother and presumably
all the other children really hated him because of how controlling he was. She had an unhappy childhood
and she really struggled in school. She never learned to read very well because she didn't always go
to school because her father would have her and her siblings work on the family farm. So they missed
a lot of schooling. Yeah. Well, nothing like some free child labor. Right. And when she was seven years
old, her and her family were taking a train to visit relatives in Southern Alabama. And when the
train stopped suddenly, Nanny hit her head on the metal bar on the seat in front of her. And for years
after she suffered from headaches and depression and later she attributed this and her mental
instability to the accident. So it sounds like she got a pretty good head injury and presumably it was
never looked at. Oh yeah. I guarantee he's like your head turns, get back to work. Keep plowing
that farm. Yeah. You're five years old. How old was she? I don't know. She was seven. Oh, okay.
But still that's still. And one of her favorite things to do as a child was reading her mother's
romance magazines. And she was a romantic and she liked to dream about her future and who she would
marry, which spoiler alert, quite a few people. Later she took to reading the Lonely Hearts column.
And it's so sad because she was quite a lonely child. And then it sounds like she was pretty
lonely adult too. So she was kind of in her own little fantasy world. And her and her sisters
were forbidden from wearing makeup or attractive clothing by their father. And he did this in
hopes of keeping them from being molested by men in town, which unfortunately did happen several
times. Oh my. So it seems like one of the few circumstances where he actually was trying to be
a good father and protect them. But unfortunately, it sounds like they lived in a pretty rough town.
Also, yeah, why is the town known for that? Right? Why is no one's looking into that?
Apparently not. Oh my gosh. And he also forbade them from going to dances or other social events,
which I feel like really affected definitely Nanny's ability to interact with people. But
I would imagine all the other children as well. And at 16, Nanny married her first husband,
Charlie Braggs, a man she had only known for four months. And they had four children together
from 1921 to 1927. Oh my. After that, the marriage fell apart. And they lived with Charlie's mother
and she had the same controlling behavior as Nanny's father. So that was an extra stressor
on Nanny and their marriage. And both Nanny and Charlie tried to escape their unhappiness through
drinking and extramarital affairs. The year that their youngest daughter Florence was born,
their two middle daughters died unexpectedly of suspected food poisoning. And it's unclear
whether Charlie suspected Nanny or if this was just like the last straw in their marriage.
But he left with their oldest child, Melvina, and left the baby Florence with Nanny. And then later,
he came back to officially divorce her. Did he take the baby ever? It doesn't sound like he took
the baby. But I believe, yeah, Florence and Melvina, they both survived. Okay. Why she decided to take
out the two middle children? I, oh, she did. Oh, she, she's super guilty. Yeah. Whoa. She's very
much. Nanny. Yeah. So I don't know what her crazy thought process was there. And Nanny was then on
the hunt for husband number two, and she did it through her beloved Lonely Hearts columns.
And Frank Harrelson answered her with poetry and a photograph, which sounds cute, but this
marriage was even more disastrous than the first. Frank was an alcoholic and he was emotionally
abusive. And she endured 16 years of a terrible marriage before she decided that she had to do
something about it. 16 years. 16 years. That's a long time. That's longer than her first time. Yeah.
But he left her because he's like, you're crazy. Did he write his own poetry or did he just like
steal it from somebody else? Who knows? Yeah. But yeah, sounds like they were both terrible. Yeah.
And before Frank met his demise, unfortunately, her next two victims were her grandchildren.
Oh, no. No. Yeah. I told you lots of death. Nanny, you'd be bad. Melvina, Nanny's oldest daughter,
was married and gave birth to a baby boy in the early 1940s. And then two years later,
she gave birth to a baby girl. And Nanny was in the delivery room and holding her new granddaughter.
And within an hour, the baby was dead. And Melvina swears that in her postpartum drug induced haze
that she swears she saw her mother stab the baby with a stick pin. Oh my gosh. However,
the doctor was unable to determine the baby's cause of death. And then six months later,
which I don't know why she left her toddler with her mother after she thinks her mother killed her
baby. I don't know if she just didn't want to believe it, but she left her toddler Robert and
her mother's care. And he mysteriously died from asphyxia. And Nanny collected a $500 insurance
policy that she had just taken out in his name. But shouldn't that go to the mother?
I don't know. Apparently grandparents could take out insurance policies on their grandchildren too.
Oh my gosh. Which I don't know why that would be the case, especially if the parents are still
living. Right. But she was able to collect on that insurance policy. And then Frank's demise came
as he was celebrating the end of World War Two on a drunken bender. Of course. Yes. And Nanny,
knowing her husband's alcoholic habits, replaced his corn liquor with rat poison.
She then fled the state and searched for her next husband. Wouldn't he know it
tasted different? Or if you're so drunk or like. I have a feeling he's probably already super drunk.
He's like, this tastes different. It doesn't matter. I imagine corn liquor probably didn't taste
great anyway. That's true. I don't know. Maybe he was just like, I'm ready to go. I'm sorry,
that's terrible. She then moved to North Carolina where she met her next husband, Arlie Lanning.
He had replied to her lonely hearts ad and married her after two days. Wow. In North Carolina, Nanny
became an active member of the Methodist Church. And she already had people's sympathy because
they knew about her husband's habit of visiting local brothels. The new husband? Yes. Oh, no.
Yeah. She really knew how to pick them. Yeah. She's not very good at that. No. Well, they knew each
other for two days. Yeah, that's true. Arlie soon died after several days of nausea, vomiting,
and dizziness. Everyone was very sympathetic to Nanny and seemingly didn't suspect anything,
even though she said he had been fine until she fed him his breakfast. Oh. She learned that the
house had been left in the will to Arlie's sister. So she went ahead and packed up and skipped town
and the house was mysteriously found in a heap of ash and cinders. Oh. Nanny stayed with her mother
in law and a couple weeks later received the insurance check for the house fire. And then,
you know, the check was, of course, made out to the sister-in-law because it was belonged to her.
Right. And then Nanny's mother-in-law died mysteriously and suddenly and she again skipped
town and illegally cashed the insurance check. Oh my gosh. So she's just on a tear. You can do
a lot of things in the 40s. You really can't, especially. I think, well, I'm not saying women
had it easier, but I think people underestimated what women could do. Yeah. And so they're like,
oh, this like sweet lady. She can't be murdering all these people or cashing bad checks. Well,
cashing good checks, but badly not for her. Right. She then went to Alabama to nurse her sister,
Dovey, who was ill and bedridden. Dovey also died soon after Nanny's arrival. She's like,
I'm here to nurse you. And dovey's like, that's really sad. And also, isn't Dovey such a cute
name? Dovey is a very sweet name. Yeah. Poor little Dovey. Yeah. Even after three horrible
marriages, Nanny still dreamed of finding true love. I don't think she would know what to do
with true love. I don't think so either. I'm like, does she just really like weddings or
yeah, does she just like killing people? I don't know. She needs a lot of psychotic brain injury.
Oh, I forgot about her brain injury. Yeah. So in the 1950s, she paid to join the Diamond Circle
Club, which was a correspondence dating service. And she found, would have, would have Tinder
renamed itself the Diamond Circle Club? Can you imagine instead of like these like really catchy
names like Tinder and Raya? It's like Diamond Circle Club. Diamond Circle Club. Oh, that'd be
kind of cute. It would. She found husband number four, Richard Morton through the service. And
Richard was much different from her other husbands. He was a well to do salesman. He was handsome,
and he actually treated her well. Wow. But after two months of marriage, she was already looking
through local advertisements, hoping to find husband number five. So I feel like- You know,
when people have something good, they will sabotage it. I think you're right that she's like,
oh, he's treating me well and he's attractive and has a job. I don't know what to do with this.
Yeah. She's like, I have to ruin it for myself. So she was already looking for husband number five,
and her mother complicated her plan by coming to stay with the newlyweds. And within just a few days
after her arrival, her mother suffered extreme intestinal pain and passed away.
Oh my. Richard soon after died after having his coffee laced with rat poison. So rat poison is
just like her go to. Right. That's like so sad though, because her mother sounded like she was
pretty nice. Like she was a lot nicer than the father, and she's like, oh, you're in my way.
You're in my way. And then that is when she met her fifth and final husband, Samuel Doss.
I was waiting for the Doss. Like every name that came along was like, oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.
We're not there yet. Yeah. Samuel was a very upright Christian man who didn't like to waste
time or money. Nanny was irritated with his restrictions though, and she left him and
returned to Alabama. Unfortunately for him, he begged his wife to return to him, which was
the worst mistake of his life. Yeah. He's like, I dodged a bullet, but I want that bullet to come
right back. He's like, she's so crazy. I want her back. Yeah. He even promised to not be strict
with money and took out two life insurance policies on himself, of which Nanny was the beneficiary.
Nanny did return and gave him arsenic laced coffee, and he died a few hours later. So she was like,
oh, wow, thank you for those two huge insurance policies that you took out for me. I will collect.
And she's like, and real quick, will you just drink this? Yeah. Fresh. Like you really look
like you need this cup of coffee. Thankfully, the physician who treated him was immediately
suspicious and performed an autopsy and found the evidence of poisoning. Oklahoma authorities,
which is where she was residing at the time was Oklahoma, arrested her on suspicion of murder.
Detectives apparently had a hard time getting her attention because she was too enthralled with
her romantic heat magazine, which is I'm like, I don't know what type of magazine that was,
but that is a real gross name. I really hope it's not what I'm thinking. I know. I don't know.
I know. When they took it like, ma'am, please, ma'am, please look away from that. Ma'am,
could you not do that? Yeah. When they took it away from her, she giggled and flirted with them
like a young girl. And she finally confessed to murdering her husband, Samuel, the reason she
gave, I'm sorry, I shouldn't laugh at this, the reason she gave, he wouldn't let her watch her
television show or turn on the fan during hot summer nights. Oh my gosh. With a terrible reason
for murder, but also that would make me grumpy too. I'm like, look, I get it. We were at nights
are unbearable. We were just talking about how grumpy we get when we're overheated. Yes.
Okay. She then promised to give them more information as long as they returned her
magazine to her. She then confessed the murder of her other husbands after her. I can't even imagine
the officer is like, sure. I guess. And just writing stuff down and he's like, he keeps being like,
oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. She's like, I need more paper. I know. She's like reading her magazine
and like flirting with him and he's just like, you're crazy. Looking her finger and turning
the page and she's like, and then this guy is like another one. How many husbands? Yeah.
After her confessions, she became a national media sensation. Reporters were always trying
to get interviews with the murderous granny who always seemed to be laughing or giggling.
While Nanny was awaiting sentencing, the bodies of her eight victims were exhumed
and autopsies revealed arsenic and her deceased husbands and her mother and her other victims
showed signs of smothering. Nanny pleaded guilty to murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
Although interestingly, she never admitted to the murder of any of her biological family members.
Of course. And then yeah, she would do that. I know. I'm like, I don't know if that is like
a sign of remorse. Like if she felt more ashamed of that than her husbands or if she was just like,
I'm not going to tell you these. Yeah, it's hard to say. Yeah. And then she died of leukemia in
prison in 1965. Oh my gosh, that is. Yeah. I what's so creepy to me is that she seemed to just like
not be fazed by it and was just seemed flattered by the press's attention and would just always be
smiling and giggling whenever she would answer questions. So no remorse. She was true sociopath.
Sociopath with definitely, I think, some sort of brain damage or arrest development. Oh yeah.
And narcissistic tendencies. Yeah. I'm like, definitely a lot going on there. But I'm like,
the way she acts sounds a lot like like a child. Yeah. Like a terrible child. Very terrible. Yeah.
She's like, oh, you're not going to let me watch my TV show. I'm going to kill you.
He's like, no, you can't watch murder. You murdered. Murdered. You wrote murder. Murder. She
she's like, yes, I wrote that murder. Exactly. But I was like, good job to her first husband for
just dipping out of there. He's the only one that didn't get murdered. Could you imagine when he found
out that he was the only surviving husband? Yeah, he's probably like, yeah, I knew that was going
to happen. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he must have suspected. Yeah. I'm just amazed that she didn't
kill her other two daughters. Yeah, I don't understand. I wonder if the middle daughters,
they both did something that irritated her because she has not nothing about her says
logical, reasonable thinking. Absolutely not. It could have been anything. Or she's like, I only
wanted two kids. Yeah, she just randomly picked. Yeah. That is horrible. I can't even imagine.
I feel so terrible for her daughter that both of her children were murdered by her own mother. Yeah.
Oh, no, I know. Nanny. I know. So that is the terrible story of Nanny Doss. Oh, wow.
I don't know why I can't remember that. I feel like I've heard that before. I mean,
I've definitely heard the name. The like the lonely hearts killer. Yeah. Yeah.
One of the many names. Right. Yeah. She has a lot of them. But
yeah, that was that was really interesting. I know. It makes me think of rear window.
Yes. The only heart lady. Although she was just sad. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit arsenic and old
lace. Yes. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That's a good movie. It's like if one of the old ladies from arsenic
and old lace was the lonely hearts lady and rear window. Yes. Yes. Exactly.
I just rewatched that the other day. Rear window. That's right. Yeah. I'm so happy.
I mean, you know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was really sad. It occurred to me. I was like,
oh, Grace Kelly, she's so beautiful as Lisa and I want to be like her. And then it occurred to me
that I actually identify more with Jimmy Stewart in that movie because I'm like, what are the neighbors
doing over there? Yeah. Same. Yeah. Ignoring everything else. Yeah. And then stirring out
the window and being like, I think that guy's a killer and I'm going to prove it. My husband's
like trying to get my attention. I'm like, but what's that weirdo doing over there? Yeah.
I'm just, we all want to be a Grace Kelly, but we all realize we're a Jimmy Stewart.
We're old Jimmy Stewart. That's just a fact of life. I mean, there's worse things you could be.
You could be nanny dogs. No, I don't want to be here. No.
I don't. I like that lady is terrible. She is terrible. I like kept reading and I was like,
oh my gosh, how many people are going to die? It's a good thing she got caught too. Yeah.
That doctor had kept going. She would have kept going. There's, yeah, there's no way she would
have stopped until someone stopped her. I just want to know what was going on
on with the doctors in the other areas because this doctor was like, oh, this is super obvious.
Like he immediately suspected her. Right. Yeah. Some doctors are like, I got a lot going on.
Yeah. This guy's like, he's like, not me. You are crazy.
Wow. That was a good one. I like the theme. I mean, it's a terrible theme, but I like that.
I like this plan. I know. I can't wait to decide what our next movie.
I know. Oh, it could be anything. It's gonna be very, very fun. Yes.
Do you have anything you would like to add? I don't think so. I was trying to think if
there was anything that I was going to say, if there was, then I have forgotten. Yeah. Oh,
yeah. Same. It was a very hot day. It's a smoky day. There's fire nearby are not that close,
but it's in our state. Hot and smoky is what you want. Like your steak to be, but not the outside.
Not your lungs. No, definitely not your lungs. Do you have anything else to say?
I don't think I do. I always feel like I have, there's something I'm like, oh, I'll say that later.
And at the end, I'm like, well, I'm, you know, we're, that's all folks. We're just like so engrossed
in telling our stories that we just forget. Yeah. But if anyone has any theme ideas,
definitely comment or email us. Yes. Email us oddly curious podcast at gmail.com.
Our Instagram is oddly curious pod. Our TikTok is oddly curious pod.
Our red bubble, which has merch is oddly curious pod.
Oh yes. And I now have our cute little oddly curious crow gracing my laptop.
The laptop that records and edits our episodes. Yeah. It's got to be the little mascot.
It's the mascot. It's the mascot because that's you hear, you hear it first at the beginning of the
song. The other day my mom was like, your theme song actually scares me sometimes. And we're like,
good. I know. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry. I'm like, it's, it's supposed to instill
a hint of fear and a hint of curiosity. And you're like, what's happening with this song?
What's happening with this story? Who's nanny da? Oh my God. I still can't believe like how well
the guy nailed it. Yeah. Do you remember his name? I feel like we should give him a shout out.
Yeah. I think we, yeah. Next episode I'll look him up. He was, he was like, I gave him criteria.
This is what we're looking for. And he's like, so here's the thing. And we gave him the most bonkers
like all over the place. We're like, we want this and this and this. And he's like, I know what you mean.
He said, I got you fam. So yeah, that's it. That's it. Also, good idea. Maybe we should do
like an Instagram question of what, what themes would you like? Yes. What are you looking for?
Tell us what you want. What you really, really want. Please. I really hope someone says zig a
zig. It'll be me. All right. Well, that's all from me. Yeah, that's all we wrote. That's
I literally wrote a lot. I wrote so much about the color green. After a while I was like,
Oh my gosh, there's so much, so much material for this color that at one point I just was
like swimming and green information. Don't swim in the green. Yeah, I'm like, and this is yeah,
it's actually I trimmed a lot. There was so much more I could have added. But I realized it was
basically like 100 years of green that it's like, yeah, there's going to be a lot. Yeah.
Well, it was very interesting. Yeah. So but thank you. Yours is also very interesting. Thank you.
And I'm now afraid of giggling grannies. Yeah, you should be. But on that note, remember to be odd.
And be curious. And don't poison anything. No, don't don't ingest poison and don't poison anyone.
Yeah. And remember that green is not a bad color. Just don't purchase it from the turn of the century.
Yeah. No. And be wary of head injuries. Yeah. Yeah, take care of your concussions. Yeah.
Yeah. All right. Well, we will see you next time. See you next time. Goodbye.