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That was solid.

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No, I pull it in my palms.

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I know.

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It's so legit.

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Too legit to quit.

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That was funny.

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Let's do this.

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Are we on?

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It is on like a prawn that yams it down.

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That's the cooler version.

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Mine was the Andy from the office version.

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Which is the Cornell version.

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I'm Olivia.

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Let's switch it up.

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And I'm Drew.

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Oddly curious.

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Nine times.

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This is our ninth time.

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Woohoo.

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I think it's good.

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and thinking this is awkward.

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I'm like, oh, I've got to be on.

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You can just be yourself.

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I'm still not good at it.

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I still haven't been in your pool.

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Just a day when I'm not working.

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randomest stuff at gift shops.

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I'm like, I'm going to the hospital.

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Truly.

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We're like a mildly hot, we're like a Taco Bell hot right now.

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Oh, like it's not.

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I made sense in my head.

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I did make sense.

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It just took me a minute.

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And speaking of summer and water activities.

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Your face was saying so much and my brain was like, I don't know.

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I don't know what you're saying.

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I'm excited.

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We're really excited because we both really like.

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And if you know us, we really like.

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Quint and chief Brody.

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Richard Dreyfus.

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I like how we're calling him by his real name.

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I guess it's Uber, right?

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Hooper.

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It's going to be shark week soon.

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Which is why we are shark themed today.

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We made drinks, special shark drinks.

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I'm not a professional bartender.

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Shark attack.

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Floating dead sharks in our drink.

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That's a Trader Joe's.

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Joe's has the best stuff.

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I was like, I think the first time I got them was a few years ago when we watched Jaws

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We watched Jaws like every year.

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It's Jaws time.

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I haven't watched Jaws this year.

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We want to see it in the theater.

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I know that was so cool.

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I didn't get to do it in the theater.

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inflatable screen and they did Jaws one time and I wasn't there for it.

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I would love to do it.

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I've seen where they'll project it at a lake or something and people will be in the lake

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That would be the best.

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It would be so fun.

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And the water watching Jaws.

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Knowing me, I'd probably be like freezing the whole time.

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Worth it.

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Unless it's in the Caribbean.

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We're like you and every time he would be discouraged I'm like no you have to keep going.

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For everyone.

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For childhood.

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Because if it's not Jaws, it's Jurassic Park and Indiana Jones.

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I was just going to say Indy.

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So anyway that's a good movie too.

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It is.

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All of them.

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All of them.

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Yeah.

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Well did you have anything else you wanted to say?

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I don't.

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So I believe I go first this time.

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Yes you are the first shark.

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I'm the first attack.

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If you were going to be any kind of shark though, what shark would you be?

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So unoriginal but great white.

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I know right?

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They're just like wonderful big dummies.

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That's how I feel I am.

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And they just kind of like have the certain expression on their face.

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They're always kind of look like.

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Yeah they either look like that or they look kind of concerned.

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Yeah.

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Which is also how I look out in public where I'm like uh.

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Yeah my mouth is just slightly open.

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My teeth are like.

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Yeah the shark face is not an aggressive face.

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It's just like a uh face.

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Yeah like if you didn't know anything about sharks and you just saw it you'd be like oh

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that's so cute.

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That's so cute.

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Just don't look at his many rows of teeth but he uses them because he needs to because

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he needs to eat.

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Yeah.

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Just like everyone.

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He needs to survive.

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Yeah.

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Okay so my story that I'm doing is one of the events that inspired JAWS and that is the

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1916 Jersey Beach Shark attacks.

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I'm so excited.

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I don't know anything about this.

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Really?

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I've read about shark attacks and this was referenced but I don't know the details.

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Oh my gosh I'm so excited.

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So my main sources were the podcast Inside JAWS which is just really interesting if you

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like JAWS or film in general and so it goes into like some of the inspiration behind the

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book and the movie and then the process of Steven Spielberg making the movie and then

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Encyclopedia Britannica, the entry on the New Jersey shark attacks and then our good old

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pal Wikipedia.

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Yeah.

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Okay so settle in, grab a drink or some shark gummies.

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Grab your closest shark gummied drink.

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And also maybe if like any sort of blood or gore grosses you out maybe just fast forward

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you know.

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Mm-hmm.

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But we gotta tell it so here we go.

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So in the summer of 1916 swimming in the ocean was still a pretty new pastime but this summer

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had a heat wave unlike any other and the Jersey beaches were crowded with local people and

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tourists and it was close.

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I already have a question.

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Yes.

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Why is swimming in 1916 still a new pastime?

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Did people not swim in the ocean for a long time?

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I don't think so.

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I mean I guess like if you didn't know that much about the ocean.

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Oh and maybe people didn't know how to swim.

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Yeah I feel like that was probably less common.

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Ah okay.

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Like being able to know how to swim.

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Because that was not that long ago.

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No it wasn't.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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We've taken oceans for granted.

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We have in so many ways.

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Oh man.

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And it was close to Fourth of July weekend and the local hotels were busy and local fishermen

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were complaining that fish were nowhere to be found and there was no catches.

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And on this day 25 year old Charles Van Sant went for a swim.

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He was a stockbroker from a prominent Philadelphia family and he was engaged to be married.

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He was strong and handsome and he had a golden retriever named Jack that was there with him.

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Oh Jack.

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So Charles swam out far into the ocean showing off for his friends still on the shore.

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You know he was young.

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He was good looking.

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He had like a bunch of his friends and some ladies with him so he wanted to show off for

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them.

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He was a little bit of a himbo.

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He sounds like he was a little bit of a himbo.

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Or maybe he was a finance bro because he was a stockbroker.

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Oh he probably was.

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So I think.

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But he sounded like he was a nice guy.

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Yeah.

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He was still a good time.

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He was still a yeah.

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So him and his dog Jack swam out into the ocean but suddenly Jack started swimming back

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to the shore and he tried to call out to Jack but Jack just kept swimming back towards the

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shore and Charles was like okay whatever I'm just gonna I'm gonna stay out and I'm gonna

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keep swimming and I'm gonna float out here.

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So he could see people on the beach shouting and pointing at him and 30 yards out from

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the beach he he started swimming back to shore and when he was 30 yards out a shark quickly

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gained on him and attacked him.

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The water started filling with blood and Charles fought as hard as he could with the sharp

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teeth cutting into his body and he was able to make it to the sand and he reached out

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for help.

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The shark let go but then grabbed him again by the thigh.

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No.

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So the shark was like kind of toying with him.

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And the shark was on the sand with him and holding on trying to swallow him whole.

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Oh my gosh.

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For some reason he let go and went back to the water.

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People came and carried.

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He was embarrassed.

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Some people were watching.

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He's like oh no sand I don't know what to do here.

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I don't know what to do.

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So people came and carried Charles away and laid him down on a towel.

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He was barely alive and his left leg was almost off.

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A hole was torn in his side where his thigh had been and he was bleeding and trembling.

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Oh my gosh.

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And unfortunately he did die due to his injuries.

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Numerous experts said that it couldn't be a shark and they thought that it must be a

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fish or a freak accident or maybe even a sea turtle because sea turtles were known to snap

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at people or I guess attack them if they were threatened.

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But if so many people saw that it was a shark on the beach why would people say it was a

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turtle?

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Because it was like so unheard of at this point.

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Oh I see.

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And they were like oh that's ridiculous that's not something that a shark would do.

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They must be mistaken.

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They're like my best friend is shark and he would never be that same.

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So they insisted that sharks don't eat people and they said that the shore was perfectly

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safe.

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So then on July 3rd, 1916 Charles Bruder 28 was the bell captain at the Essex and Sussex

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Hotel in New Jersey and he was an incredibly strong and fast swimmer.

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He had read about the death of Charles Van Sant but he didn't believe that it was a shark

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attack because he was an experienced swimmer and he had never come across anything like

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that before.

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He figured that Van Sant had just drowned and he thought well I'm such a strong swimmer

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that that's not going to be a problem for me.

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Famous last words.

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Truly.

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So he swam past the lifelines and the barriers and the ocean and he was just out there floating

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in the ocean similar to Van Sant and then all of a sudden Bruder was lifted up and over

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the water by a shark.

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Onlookers saw a spray of crimson water burst into the sky and Bruder was dragged across

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the water left and right being thrashed and pulled under and spit out over and over.

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Lifeguards searched for him and saw his head bobbing in the water.

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They lifted what was left of him onto the boat and he was alive but bleeding out and

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he was such a horrific sight that the lifeguards started crying and some vomited over the side

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of the boat at the site.

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His feet and his legs were gone and there was a gaping wound in his side and intestines

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were sliding onto the deck from the wound and Charles died very quickly.

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I hope so.

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You would hope.

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At least I hope he was in shock and he couldn't tell what was happening.

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It sounds like at least from the onlookers descriptions that he was in shock and he immediately

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bled out but that is so horrifying and I can't imagine being one of those lifeguards and

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it's just so horrific that you just burst out crying.

442
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Oh yeah.

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The years of trauma and nightmares they've had since and it made me think of that first

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scene in Jaws, the girl swimming.

445
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Yeah, when he's like thrashing her side to side.

446
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Which that seems kind of like farfetched.

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What do you really do with sharks?

448
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Turns out they do.

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They do.

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I imagine it's a way of debilitating their prey before they...

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Disorienting them so they don't fight back.

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Exactly.

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Which, yeah.

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It worked.

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Yeah.

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So the response after the second attack was much more sensational and panic inducing.

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There was a press conference on July 8th at the National History Museum with three experts,

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Frederick Augustus Lucas, John Treadwell Nichols, and Robert Cushman Murphy.

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They tried to away fears by saying a third attack was unlikely and the only ichthyologist,

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Nichols, advised that swimmers should stay close to the areas by the shore that had been

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installed after the first attack.

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They had some like netted areas with some barriers.

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Because they're like teeth can't go through net.

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Yeah, or at least like, I don't know, it's somewhat of a deterrent.

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True, yeah.

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So people have debated what species of shark was responsible for the attacks.

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They debate whether it was a bull shark or a great white shark.

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The scientists thought that a rogue shark must be responsible for the attacks.

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But he had just gone rogue from his little group of, are they solitary?

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I think they're solitary.

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I think they're solitary hunters, but I don't know what rogue means if it's just like he's

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doing crazy things.

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He had been writing manifestos and he's like, humans are the problem.

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He's like, I have a vendetta against people now.

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Maybe.

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But several fishermen claim to have caught the Jersey Man-Eater, which is what they're

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calling the shark.

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00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,600
That's actually a very scary name for some reason.

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If you don't know that it's a shark, you're just like, what is that?

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What is that?

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Because, I mean, unfortunately, because we know very scary names for killers, it could

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be literally anything.

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It could.

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But when you find out it's a shark, you're like, oh, phew, it's just a shark.

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So several fishermen claim to have caught the shark.

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But on July 14th, Michael Schleisser, who was a taxidermist and also a lion tamer for

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Barnum and Bailey, caught a great white shark while fishing in Raritan Bay.

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It almost sank his boat until he was able to kill it with a broken oar.

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When he opened up the shark, he found suspicious contents that scientists were later able to

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identify as human remains.

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Schleisser stuffed and mounted the shark and put it on display in a Manhattan shop in Broadway.

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And then after that, no other attacks were reported that summer on the Jersey Shore.

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I want to know what happened to that stuffed shark.

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Did he just give it to his children?

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It eventually got lost, and there's actually only one picture.

496
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I think it was in the New York Times of the stuffed shark.

497
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I don't know how you lose a stuffed shark.

498
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I'm like, maybe someone somewhere has it.

499
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And they're just like, I'm not going to tell anyone.

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They just see someone walking away, dragging a stuffed shark down the street, and they're

501
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like, oh, this is mine.

502
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This is actually my stuffed shark.

503
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:52,480
I know.

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In a letter to the New York Times, people were blaming the shark infestation on the maneuvers

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of German U-boats near America's east coast.

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And the anonymous writer claimed these sharks may have devoured human bodies in the waters

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of the German war zone and followed winers to this coast, or even followed the Deutschland

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herself, expecting the usual toll of drowning men, women, and children.

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The writer concluded this would account for their boldness and their craving for human

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flesh.

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That makes sense, because what we know about sharks now is that they have such an abundance

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of food for, as far as seals or sea lions, that they don't go for humans unless they

513
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have already been like, this is all I have.

514
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Yeah.

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00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:38,560
And they're like, oh, you know what?

516
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:39,560
This tasted pretty good.

517
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Let's go look for some more.

518
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,800
It's a little gamey, but once you get used to it.

519
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:44,800
Yeah.

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Still to this day, people debate whether it was actually a shark that was responsible

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for these attacks.

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00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:56,520
And if it was a shark, scientists think it was actually a bull shark, most likely.

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And that the great, instead of the great white, because the bull shark can swim from the open

524
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ocean to more freshwater areas like where the attacks happened.

525
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And in 2011, there were more studies in the documentary, The Real Story, JAWS, that scientists

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take a look into the lunar cycle during the attacks, the salinity of the water, and the

527
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,960
type of bite that the victims received, which I haven't watched that documentary, but it

528
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:23,960
sounds really interesting.

529
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:24,960
Yeah, it does.

530
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,800
And of course, when we talk about the shark attacks, we have to talk about the cultural

531
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:30,800
impact.

532
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:31,800
Oh, yeah.

533
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:37,360
So in 1974, author Peter Benchley published his novel JAWS, which of course was later

534
00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:41,180
adapted in 1975 by Steven Spielberg.

535
00:23:41,180 --> 00:23:47,560
And the movie makes several references to the 1916 attacks, the events taking place around

536
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,200
4th of July, and authorities urging the mayor to close down the beach.

537
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:58,720
And then Richard Dreyfus' character even mentions the 1916 shark attacks when he's talking about

538
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,480
the behavior of the shark.

539
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:07,320
And he references how in 1916, there was a shark that was just decimating the New Jersey

540
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,840
Beach.

541
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:14,760
And then, of course, several other things sounded familiar, like the fisherman that eventually

542
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,200
caught the shark.

543
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,480
It kind of sounds like the scene with Brody.

544
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:26,360
You know, after, I mean, spoiler alert, but also if you haven't seen JAWS, what are you

545
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:27,360
doing?

546
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:28,360
Yeah.

547
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:32,960
Like after Quint dies, it's just Brody alone on the boat, and he catches the shark.

548
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,320
I thought that too, when he's hitting it with an oar.

549
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,320
Uh-huh.

550
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,440
In real life, I'm like, that would be so scary.

551
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,440
I know.

552
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,600
And no oxygen tank or anything, just the oar took it out.

553
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,600
Yeah.

554
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,680
And then a lot of fishermen were claiming that they caught the shark.

555
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:47,680
Right.

556
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,200
And it really was something else.

557
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,200
Yeah.

558
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:58,120
And yeah, that is the 1916 New Jersey shark attacks and the effect that it had on JAWS.

559
00:24:58,120 --> 00:24:59,120
Wow.

560
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:00,840
That's so interesting.

561
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:08,160
I definitely recommend listening to the Inside JAWS podcast, but like I said, if you are

562
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:13,280
like, don't like Gore or anything, I would say he goes into more detail than me.

563
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,560
And because it's a Wondery podcast, there's a lot of Foley work.

564
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:18,560
So there's like.

565
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,560
True.

566
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,640
Like someone screaming in the background during the story.

567
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:23,640
Yeah.

568
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,000
And it's not like the real scream, but.

569
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,640
But it's still terrifying.

570
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,640
Yeah.

571
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,440
But they do such a good job on that podcast because they also did like Inside Star Wars.

572
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,440
Yeah.

573
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,840
And I think Inside Psycho.

574
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:35,840
Yeah.

575
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,440
But yeah, JAWS is definitely my favorite one.

576
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,440
Yeah.

577
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,440
Definitely.

578
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,440
Same.

579
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,440
And we both really live Star Wars and Psycho.

580
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,440
Mm-hmm.

581
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,120
Except, I mean, we both love the original Psycho.

582
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:54,000
And somebody I know that also feels the same way about like Alfred Hitchcock and all that.

583
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,600
They listened to the Inside Psycho podcast and it said it that scared them so much they

584
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,000
couldn't listen past like one episode.

585
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,000
Yeah.

586
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,000
Was that me?

587
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,000
I'm like, that's also familiar.

588
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,000
I was like thinking like, wait a minute.

589
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,000
Yeah.

590
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:18,080
It's because I like I listened to a lot of true crime, but anything about it.

591
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,080
Yeah.

592
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,400
And I watched Andre Talk with Eddieores Johnson while he was doing his TV series on theuki

593
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,920
and especially I playuzz for the雪.

594
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:23,920
Yeah.

595
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,000
And there's a really good idea about it.

596
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,320
So I went out to the store for like Tom volts and I just believe that if I throw a

597
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:40,040
What's it like?

598
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:36,540
radar in my car, I would throw up some trash in the ad that a lot of people would lake

599
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,240
But like that is interesting.

600
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,240
Yeah.

601
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,240
Oh my gosh.

602
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,240
Gross.

603
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,240
Yeah.

604
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,440
Yeah, we're like sharks are cooler than them.

605
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,160
Yeah, sharks, they're just like doing their own thing.

606
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,360
Like they might occasionally get a human, but they're like, hey, I'm just trying to

607
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:56,360
get food, man.

608
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:57,360
That's how they eat.

609
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:02,800
I mean, they unfortunately, they are, they have so many teeth and they are not herbivores,

610
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:03,800
they're not omnivores.

611
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,360
They will eat anything thrashing around in the water.

612
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:14,560
Oh, also the part about the spray of crimson blood reminded me of the second death in Jaws.

613
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,360
Yes, I got that too.

614
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:17,360
And I want to watch Jaws now.

615
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:18,360
I know.

616
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:19,360
I'm definitely going to watch it later tonight.

617
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:20,360
Right?

618
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:21,360
I think I will too.

619
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:25,080
Okay, should we take, should I go right into mine or should we take a break?

620
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,920
Let's take a break.

621
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:27,920
Okay.

622
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:37,320
So, for my shark story, Olivia, I am going to tell you about the shark arm murders.

623
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,200
Okay.

624
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:48,160
My sources for this story are a mental floss article by Michelle Dubjak, a vice article

625
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:58,400
by Stephanie Hughes, a little write up on the Sydney Crime Museum.com website.

626
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,560
I don't know if I need to say website and.com in the same sentence, but that's fine.

627
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,840
And then a book called Shark Arm by Kevin Meager and Phillip Roup.

628
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,840
Yes.

629
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:09,840
It gets right to the point.

630
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,080
It gets right to the point.

631
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,760
You're not wondering what it's about.

632
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:20,920
And so just kind of an aside or I guess trigger warning.

633
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:27,080
This of course has reference to murder, but there is also reference to attempted suicide.

634
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,080
So okay, heads up.

635
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,160
Okay.

636
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,480
So on November, what am I trying to say?

637
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:45,160
On April 25th, 1935, a 14 foot tiger shark at the Koogee Aquarium in Sydney, Australia,

638
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,560
was behaving strangely.

639
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,520
It had lost energy and the appetite that it showed when it was, I had first arrived to

640
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:58,840
the aquarium a week prior, was gone, which is kind of unheard of for a shark.

641
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:04,120
It was moving sluggishly around its pool, bumping into the walls and sinking to the

642
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,320
tank's floor.

643
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,480
It sort of swam like something was weighing it down.

644
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,480
Poor guy.

645
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,440
It had a tummy ache.

646
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:17,160
With a sudden burst of movement, the shark thrashed its body and coughed up the contents

647
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,720
of its stomach.

648
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:24,400
When the foam settled, the crowd at the aquarium saw a partially digested human arm floating

649
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,520
on the pool's surface.

650
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,120
That is kind of funny that he was just like, I have a tummy ache.

651
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,880
And it was like, ow, something is hurting my tummy.

652
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:39,040
He's like, I actually would hurt my tummy too.

653
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:45,960
So despite how shocking this is, Australians aren't too alarmed because that year in 1935

654
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,600
there had been a string of shark attacks, especially ones that had terrorized the southeast

655
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,600
coast where Sydney is.

656
00:29:53,600 --> 00:30:00,280
And typically it was tiger sharks that were the man-eaters around Sydney.

657
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,720
I love that Australians are just like not fazed by anything.

658
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,760
They're like, oh, yeah, look, that makes sense.

659
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:07,760
Yeah.

660
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:13,560
Australians, unfortunately for them, they are the Florida of the world because I actually

661
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:21,880
saw this TikTok the other day where it showed, it was like a British golfer versus an Australian

662
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,880
golfer.

663
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,520
And there was an alligator on the course.

664
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,960
And the first golfer was like, oh my gosh.

665
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,080
And the second one, he had one hand in his pocket.

666
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,080
He's that cool.

667
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,440
Walked up to the alligator and flicked its tail and it ran away.

668
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,240
And people in the comments were like, actually that is Floridians on a daily basis.

669
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,960
Like, get out of my way.

670
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:46,960
That's so funny.

671
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,960
Yeah.

672
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,120
So between the two of them, they're not fazed by anything.

673
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,640
Oh, OK.

674
00:30:54,640 --> 00:31:00,680
So in addition to these deadly shark encounters in the area, the whole Koogee Beach already

675
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,800
has a murky past.

676
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:11,080
It's a part of Sydney that has ties to a dark criminal underworld and can be known as being

677
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,920
very violent.

678
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,480
In 1935, in addition to this, the Great Depression is in full swing.

679
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:23,240
So a lot of people are out of money, are feeling down on their luck.

680
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:29,400
And just a year prior to this, there was a horrific pajama girl murder where a young

681
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,160
woman's body was found badly burned.

682
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:37,040
So speaking of all this, Sydney residents are feeling like they need a little levity

683
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,880
in their life.

684
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:45,800
And today of the throw up day of the shark, it's the 25th of April.

685
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,000
And this is called Anzac Day.

686
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,440
It's kind of similar to the Memorial Day for Americans.

687
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:59,200
And Australians and Kiwis, New Zealanders, observe it.

688
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,600
So everyone has the day off.

689
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,280
They're out to go have fun.

690
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,120
They're like, we've got to do something fun because everything's sad.

691
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,360
So they go to the aquarium to see the new star of the show.

692
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:19,760
And aquarium proprietor Bert Hobson and his son just caught the shark about a week prior.

693
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,960
And they were trying to turn around the down on its luck, Koogee Aquarium.

694
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,720
Originally they had reeled in a smaller shark, but then that smaller shark was immediately

695
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,040
eaten by a much larger tiger shark as they were reeling it in.

696
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,480
Which is kind of funny.

697
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,080
That tiger shark is like, ha, ha.

698
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,560
And then he's like, oh, no.

699
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:46,240
It reminds me of like Star Wars when the other fish comes and eats the fish that's eating

700
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,240
the plane and he's between the ship.

701
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,840
And he's like, there's always a bigger fish.

702
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:50,840
Yeah.

703
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,840
Liam Neeson just shows up behind them.

704
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:52,840
He's about 1935.

705
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,360
And he's like, there's always a bigger fish.

706
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,960
So this is very exciting for them because they have a tiger shark.

707
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,880
And these are sharks that are attacking people.

708
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:10,840
So now they can give the public a chance to see these man eaters up close.

709
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:19,520
And then it was funny to me, the Mental Floss article said the captive creature was a reminder

710
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,520
of mankind's dominion over the seas.

711
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,840
And I'm thinking, I don't think mankind has ever had a dominion over the sea.

712
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:26,840
No, that's really cute.

713
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:27,840
Because they think that.

714
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:35,200
But I mean, I mean, I guess like with catching fish to eat, but I'm like, the ocean will

715
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,200
mess you up.

716
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,880
The ocean's like, if you cross me, I will just swallow you right up.

717
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,080
I'll swallow you up.

718
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,080
OK.

719
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:51,840
However, this now captive tiger shark had just vomited up an appendage and a human arm,

720
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,000
no less.

721
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:59,680
And this human arm was curious looking because it had a boxer tattoo and rope tied around

722
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,120
the wrist.

723
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:10,080
And Narcisse Leo Young, who was a proof who, I guess at the time when they interviewed

724
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,840
him for the book, he was a proofreader for the Sydney Herald.

725
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,680
He was there that day as a boy.

726
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,280
Actually, I don't know if that's a boy or a girl's name.

727
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,080
I didn't ever look up what they looked like.

728
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,720
It could go either way, kind of like my name, where you're like, I don't know.

729
00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:28,680
So they were there that day.

730
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,720
And they said, I was three or four meters from the shark and clearly saw, come out of

731
00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:38,000
his mouth, a copious brown froth, which smelled really foul.

732
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,880
No, they could smell it.

733
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:40,880
Yeah.

734
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,360
So it all of it together.

735
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:51,520
And in addition to the to the arm, the shark expelled a bird, a rat and a load of muck.

736
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:52,520
That visual.

737
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,520
Oh, God.

738
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,520
Oh, I don't know why I'm laughing.

739
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,880
Do you like that it was like the arm?

740
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:58,880
They're like, oh, OK.

741
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,800
And then the smell, they're like, oh, my gosh.

742
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,720
So of course, there's now an arm in the pool.

743
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:10,800
So the police recalled and the police were at first convinced that the shark arm was

744
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:16,120
a prank either by the staff themselves or by local medical students who have access

745
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,800
to spare cadaver parts.

746
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,200
Just a severed arm prank.

747
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,200
Yeah.

748
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,320
And they were like, oh, I'm going to kill those crazy kids.

749
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,520
But no one was laughing as the arm with a tattoo and the suspicious rope was fished

750
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,160
from the water and brought to the coroner's office.

751
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:36,520
As the incident became more unsettling, because further details emerged as the coroner reported

752
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:42,880
that the arm was not bitten off by a shark, but cleanly cut off with a knife, which meant

753
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:48,600
the shark had vomited the remains of an innocent party and an apparent murder.

754
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,600
Yeah.

755
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:57,520
So Edwin Smith was reading about what had happened just a few days later in the paper

756
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,360
about the Koogee Aquarium shark arm.

757
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,600
And he came across a detail that made him pause, a description of the distinctive tattoo

758
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,080
branding the arm recovered from the pool.

759
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,040
On the victim's forearm, it depicted two boxers facing each other.

760
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,440
Smith immediately thought of his brother, Jim, who had the same image tattooed in the

761
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,440
same place and who had been missing for several weeks.

762
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,240
Oh, that's so sad.

763
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:25,400
Yeah.

764
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:31,760
So this tattooed arm shed light on the mystery of Jim Smith's disappearance.

765
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:37,640
Edwin called up to tip the police, as did Jim's wife, Gladys, connecting the tattoo

766
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:42,400
and the limb to his missing brother and Gladys' missing husband.

767
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,120
Law enforcement officers also had the victim's fingerprints because they were using a new

768
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,640
forensic technique.

769
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,160
1935, that's pretty cool.

770
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:57,760
They were able to match the hand to Smith as he had his fingerprints on file because

771
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,760
he was a known criminal and former police informant.

772
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,160
And now he was the victim of foul play.

773
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:12,000
So Jim Smith was a 45-year-old English-born Australia resident.

774
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,880
And before his criminal life, he wanted to be a boxer.

775
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,520
He was forced to leave his dream, and this is very relatable.

776
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,840
He was forced to leave his dream behind because it was clear he didn't have talent for the

777
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:24,840
sport.

778
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,840
Oh.

779
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,480
I've been there, Jim.

780
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,240
Not for boxing, but for many other things.

781
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:30,560
He's like, here's my life plan.

782
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,480
And they're like, no, it's not.

783
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,040
No, I'm sorry, Jim.

784
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,720
So he went from job to job where he landed work in a pub where he started developing

785
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:42,280
connections with the criminal underworld.

786
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:48,920
And one of these connections was to a wealthy boat-building businessman named Reginald Holmes.

787
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:57,680
And Reginald Holmes, he was a man of many titles, in addition to being a well-loved

788
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,200
family man and respected member of society who gave back to the community through church

789
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,440
donations, which it's like, oh, he's so amazing.

790
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,000
He's actually an active heroin smuggler.

791
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,000
Oh, OK.

792
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,000
Yeah.

793
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Right?

794
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,880
He was a business fraud mastermind.

795
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:19,880
He employed Jim Smith to carry out different tasks like cheating construction workers

796
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:27,440
of building supplies and then over-ensuring properties before destroying it through arson.

797
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,440
Nice.

798
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,880
Nice.

799
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:37,880
One of Reginald Holmes' most infamous cons involved the destruction of an over-insured

800
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,520
yacht called the Pathfinder.

801
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:46,040
So in addition to recruiting Smith, he also recruited an ex-convict named Patrick Brady,

802
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,720
who had a talent for forgery.

803
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:54,880
And it was said he had been picked up for forging signatures of generals in World War

804
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,800
I, which is like, wow.

805
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,160
Shoot for the moon, I guess.

806
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,160
Yeah.

807
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,040
So these two were tasked with sinking the Pathfinder.

808
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,280
And after it sank, Reginald Holmes went to file a claim for the damages.

809
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:15,040
But then he found out that Jim Smith had reported the incident to the police as suspicious.

810
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:21,840
So Holmes had to pay for everything out of pocket, which was hard during the Great Depression.

811
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,840
He also should not have been doing it in the first place, but whatever.

812
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,520
And this led to obviously a falling out between the two men.

813
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:34,120
And this was exacerbated when Jim started two black male Holmes.

814
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:39,480
So our little boxer tattoo boy was he was going for the big.

815
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,800
Yeah, because always black male, the heroine smuggler.

816
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,800
Yeah.

817
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:44,800
That's OK.

818
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:45,800
If you're going to do.

819
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:46,880
OK, first of all, don't do drugs.

820
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:47,880
Don't black male.

821
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:53,440
But if you're going to blackmail someone, don't blackmail someone who's been in crime much

822
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,920
longer than you.

823
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:55,920
Seriously.

824
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,200
That's just a rule of thumb.

825
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:07,600
So several weeks before this shark throws up this arm on April 7th, Smith told his wife

826
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,040
that he was going fishing.

827
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:17,520
A few restless rest, restless nights later, his wife became so worried and agitated that

828
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,840
she didn't know what to do.

829
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:26,000
One night she received a mysterious call from a man and he said, quote, don't worry,

830
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,600
Jimmy will be home in three days time.

831
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,520
And quote, Jimmy did not make it home.

832
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:33,920
No, no.

833
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:41,400
In fact, Jim was seen last drinking and playing cards with Patrick Brady, our forger at the

834
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,760
Cecil Hotel.

835
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,200
And Cranula, a suburb of Sydney.

836
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,200
That's so weird.

837
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:52,680
Yeah, I don't think Cecil Hotel has a good, like that's just a name that is bad no matter

838
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,240
where you are in the world.

839
00:40:54,240 --> 00:41:00,760
What if it was like they had a chain and they were all terrible?

840
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:10,720
It's like like the holiday in, but it's the Cecil Hotel and it just inspires so much sadness.

841
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,080
OK.

842
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:18,680
So as the night progressed, Jim and Patrick, they're having fun drinking, playing cards.

843
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:24,760
They relocate to a cottage that Brady was renting on to Long Beach Street.

844
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:30,080
Several hours later, a disheveled looking Brady took a cab from his cottage to Reginald

845
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,880
Holmes house.

846
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,720
Smith was no longer with him.

847
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:39,120
They were going to be like, hey, we should go, you know, let's have a fun sleepover.

848
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,520
I don't know what men do.

849
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,160
They're like, let's go drink at my house.

850
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,160
Hey, bestie.

851
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,160
Hey, bestie.

852
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,640
And then it was like, ooh, nope, that was not good.

853
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:55,400
So because police know about Jim Smith's ties to Reginald Holmes and Patrick Brady, they

854
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,600
had two obvious suspects already.

855
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,960
In addition to this, because Jim was a police informant, they knew of Smith black mailing

856
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,440
Holmes, which is terrible.

857
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,040
But the case was far from closed.

858
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:17,440
They did not have any hard evidence necessary to make arrests in connection to Smith's disappearance.

859
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:24,400
But as they began investigating, they decided to follow any moves Brady made up to the days

860
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,480
of the disappearance.

861
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:32,160
So they found taxi drivers who are willing to discuss trips he made, talking to those

862
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,840
who he rented the cottage from.

863
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:40,720
And one of the last trips he made blindsided investigators because they found that he went

864
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:46,680
to Reginald's home, which it's like, until now, they did not know that Holmes and Brady

865
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,680
knew each other.

866
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,640
They thought they were just, Jim was what they had in common, but it was like, oh, this

867
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,160
is a trifecta of not good.

868
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:59,840
So they moved to get Brady and they could only bring him in on forgery charges unrelated

869
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,120
to the crime.

870
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:07,080
It was said it took cops six hours of interrogation to get him to confess what they already suspected

871
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:13,080
that Reginald Holmes was the mastermind behind the entire plot.

872
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:19,080
Holmes, however, somehow heard the police were on to him because by the time the authorities

873
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,760
arrived at his house, he was on a speedboat in the middle of Sydney's harbor drinking

874
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,760
and driving.

875
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:25,760
Goodbye.

876
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:26,760
Yeah.

877
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,640
He's like, not only am I going to drive away, but he, it said he grabbed a bottle of liquor

878
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,200
and was drinking it while steering his boat.

879
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,760
Because, yeah, because he sounds like someone that makes good decisions.

880
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,440
He's like, if I'm going out, this is how I'm going.

881
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,440
Exactly.

882
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,440
And at one point he stopped the boat and rose before a group of spectators who were gathering

883
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,200
to watch the chase.

884
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:54,680
Reginald uttered a nonsensical warning, quote, Jimmy Smith is dead and there's only one

885
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,160
another left.

886
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,240
If you leave me until tonight, I will finish him.

887
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:02,320
Then he shot himself in the head and fell into the water.

888
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:03,320
What?

889
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,640
I don't think you're going to finish him, bud.

890
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,720
He's like, I was just joking.

891
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:08,720
It's for dramatic effect.

892
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:11,040
He was like, I'm very dramatic.

893
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,640
So it looked like the case had come to a dead end, but Holmes survived.

894
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,040
Yeah.

895
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:22,640
The bullet left him with a non-fatal wound to his forehead and he was able to haul himself

896
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,280
back into the boat.

897
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,080
So after this dramatic chase, the cops finally arrested him and dragged a confession out

898
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:35,240
of him that would prove, or tried to drag a confession out of him, but that was more

899
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:38,160
difficult than him trying to kill himself.

900
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:44,800
However, he did identify Brady as Smith's murderer and painted himself instead as the

901
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,040
victim of blackmail.

902
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:52,920
According to his story, Patrick Brady had acted alone while killing and dismembering Jim

903
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,320
Smith and his cottage onto Lumby Street.

904
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,880
He allegedly dumped most of the body parts in the sea, but held onto the arm as a threat

905
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,480
to Holmes.

906
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,640
In his version of events, Brady brought the limb to Holmes house and warned him that he

907
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,840
would be next if he didn't give him a generous amount of money.

908
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,440
Holmes held onto the arm and then claimed, which I'm like, why was he keeping it?

909
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:17,440
I don't know.

910
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:22,200
But he claimed he panicked and got rid of the arm by tossing it in the ocean where then

911
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,000
the shark swallowed it whole.

912
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,840
It sounds like a lot of like.

913
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,000
And then I did this, but then I didn't know what to do, so I did this.

914
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,000
Yeah.

915
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:38,360
The only thing that tracks is the throwing it in the ocean because obviously the shark

916
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,360
didn't swallow it.

917
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,360
Yeah.

918
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,480
He's like, actually the shark murdered him.

919
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,240
I don't know why the shark was so nice at first.

920
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:46,120
And the shark used a saw.

921
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,120
I guess.

922
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,120
He didn't bite.

923
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,120
Yeah.

924
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,120
Okay.

925
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,840
So regardless of how truthful this story was, investigators concluded that the arm

926
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,880
was likely consumed after being disposed of in the ocean.

927
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,120
Like you said, that's the most obvious point.

928
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,520
The timeline did make sense.

929
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,560
Tiger sharks have a slow digestive tract and the arm could have been sitting in the animal's

930
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,680
stomach for up to 18 days before it was thrown up.

931
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:12,680
So it's like whatever.

932
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:18,080
I mean, I'm guessing it's like a way for them to, if they don't have like access to a lot

933
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,240
of food, they can just keep it in their stomach.

934
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:25,600
But 18 days to digest something, that's a powerful digestive tract.

935
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,960
Like that really keeps things intact.

936
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,120
It's still had a tattoo after that long.

937
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,120
I know the fact that they could like make out the whole tattoo.

938
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,120
Yeah.

939
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,800
That's kind of impressive.

940
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:42,440
It's even possible that the arm was inside the first smaller shark that Bert Hobson caught

941
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:47,320
before the tiger shark ate the smaller shark, which this article, I think it was the vice

942
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:52,120
article said, creating a very unappetizing version of Turducken.

943
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:57,560
You're like, you put an arm inside a shark and then you put that shark inside of another

944
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:58,560
shark.

945
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,760
I just imagine like the tiger shark is like, man, what did this guy eat?

946
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:03,760
Yeah.

947
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:04,760
Like I don't feel good.

948
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,800
Like clearly he digested the first shark.

949
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,360
But what was inside that shark was like, gross.

950
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,640
Okay.

951
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:20,760
So the question of how the arm was separated from Smith's body in the first place was

952
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,240
what remained unanswered.

953
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:28,080
So obviously his arm was in a shark, but how did it actually get there?

954
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,080
And why?

955
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,080
Why did somebody cut his arm off and who did it?

956
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,080
Okay.

957
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:41,160
So while they're doing all this investigating on June 11th, 1935, Holmes withdrew $500 Australian

958
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,160
dollars.

959
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,240
It said pounds, but I think it was probably dollars from his account.

960
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:48,120
And late that evening left home.

961
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,760
He told his wife he had to meet someone.

962
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,680
He was also very cautious as he left his home, accompanying his wife to the door of

963
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,600
his sedan.

964
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:01,160
Probably the next morning, the day of the inquest he was meant to attend, he was found

965
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:06,200
dead in his car on Hickson Road where his home was.

966
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,400
He had been shot three times at close range.

967
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:15,000
The crime scene was made to appear that Holmes had committed suicide, but forensic police

968
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,880
had no doubt that he was murdered.

969
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,760
Yeah, he was shot three times.

970
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,200
It said the insurance policy would have been voided if he died by suicide.

971
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:33,880
So it's like he used this skill to make it look like, obviously, he didn't kill himself,

972
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,440
but he just was thinking about his family, you know, because he was such a nice guy.

973
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:38,440
Oh yeah.

974
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:39,440
Yeah.

975
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:45,120
And Holmes could not give any evidence of the inquest later that morning.

976
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,960
So clearly it was like he was guilty.

977
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:53,400
It was his last, his last hurrah.

978
00:48:53,400 --> 00:49:00,000
Rick Brady survived to see his murder trial, but it wasn't an open and shut case because

979
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:05,280
they suffered without Holmes witness testimony and the physical evidence they had was less

980
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,440
incriminating than it seemed.

981
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,240
One arm wasn't proof of a murder, the defense argued, and it wasn't right to convict a man

982
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:16,560
of the crime when it was possible Smith had survived.

983
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:22,000
Brady was acquitted of the charges and maintained his innocence until his death at 76 years

984
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,960
old in 1965.

985
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,800
It said that Smith and Holmes weren't the only casualties of the shark arm case because

986
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:34,920
shortly after this is disgorging, that's a nice way of saying throwing up the arm, the

987
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,240
tiger shark from the Koogee Aquarium was killed and cut open.

988
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:43,960
The autopsy turned out to be a waste as it didn't have any additional body parts or answers.

989
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,640
So it was like he was killed.

990
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,640
Just wait for him to regurgitate all the stuff.

991
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:49,640
I know.

992
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:50,640
He was doing fine.

993
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:56,080
He just had a tummy ache.

994
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,680
Though much has been clarified since that day at the Koogee Aquarium in 1935, we will

995
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:06,400
likely never know the full story of what happened that night of Jim Smith's disappearance.

996
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:11,320
And if new evidence does emerge in the case, chances are slim as it will overshadow the

997
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:16,360
story's dramatic messy beginnings in the public consciousness.

998
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:21,720
And that is the story of the shark arm murders.

999
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:23,240
That was very interesting.

1000
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:24,240
Right?

1001
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:25,240
Yes.

1002
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:29,880
I kind of remember some of the details about this case, but I forgot about a lot of it.

1003
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,240
I definitely forgot about the shark and the aquarium.

1004
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:34,240
Right.

1005
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:36,280
Yeah, that shark poor thing.

1006
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,280
Rest in peace little shark.

1007
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:38,280
I know.

1008
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,780
I'm like, don't blame the sharkies.

1009
00:50:39,780 --> 00:50:41,160
It's not their fault.

1010
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,160
It's not their fault.

1011
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,160
No.

1012
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,520
They just have cold eyes like dolls eyes.

1013
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:51,560
Like a doll's eyes.

1014
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,640
I really held back with trying to do an Australian accent with that story.

1015
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:57,640
Good job.

1016
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:58,640
Yeah.

1017
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,760
He's like, Jimmy Smith is dead.

1018
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,400
And this tiger shark killed him.

1019
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:04,400
I don't know.

1020
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,280
Can you imagine if I tried to do a Jersey accent?

1021
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,120
It would have been so bad.

1022
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,120
Or good.

1023
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,640
No, I've tried before.

1024
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,240
It's so good.

1025
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:22,680
That would be, I can imagine that Jersey could so easily become like Brooklyn, could so easily

1026
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,440
suddenly be Boston.

1027
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,360
They're very dissimilar, but also similar enough that I'm like, I can't always tell

1028
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,360
the difference.

1029
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:31,360
Yeah.

1030
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,280
And that would just make people be like, are you kidding me?

1031
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,680
That's a Boston accent or whatever.

1032
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,840
And if we had any new Jersey listeners, I would offend them.

1033
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:38,840
Yeah.

1034
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:39,840
Which maybe we do.

1035
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:40,840
I mean, maybe we do.

1036
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:46,440
I hope someone, we have at least one Australian listener, my friend, Anjali.

1037
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,440
Yeah.

1038
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,840
I think I've seen our map that we actually have several.

1039
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:52,920
Oh, very good.

1040
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:53,920
Thank you, Australia.

1041
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:54,920
Yes.

1042
00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:00,280
I hope you enjoyed the first fully Australian tale.

1043
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,280
But yeah.

1044
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,280
Yeah.

1045
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,760
Also, we're still trying to figure out the best way to sign off this podcast.

1046
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:07,760
That's a work in progress.

1047
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:08,760
Yeah.

1048
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:14,080
So if you have any suggestions, please feel free to give them to us, because every time

1049
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,800
we kind of just start rambling at the end.

1050
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,680
Which is kind of prudent who we are.

1051
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:19,680
It is, yeah.

1052
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,560
We're like, oh, I had another thought.

1053
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,240
Oh, and here we go.

1054
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:29,600
But do you have anything you'd like to add before next time?

1055
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:38,200
Be careful in the ocean and don't swim out too far for many reasons.

1056
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:43,680
And be nice to sharks and appreciate them for what they are.

1057
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:44,680
Yeah.

1058
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,360
They're not the enemy.

1059
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,200
They just have a lot of teeth.

1060
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,200
Yeah.

1061
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,080
And maybe watch some Shark Week or some Jaws.

1062
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,080
Yeah.

1063
00:52:54,080 --> 00:53:00,760
Also, maybe like, review and subscribe our podcast if you want.

1064
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:01,760
Yeah.

1065
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,760
And buy some more merch.

1066
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:04,760
Yeah.

1067
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,120
We have merch on Redbubble.

1068
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:12,920
Oddly Curious Pod is the name of the store, I guess.

1069
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,000
We have an Instagram and a TikTok now.

1070
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,360
Oddly Curious Pod and Oddly Curious Pod.

1071
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:24,800
And then we have Oddly CuriousPodcast at gmail.com if you would like to email us whatever you

1072
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:25,800
want.

1073
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:31,080
Maybe you can tell us that you like sharks.

1074
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,680
Anything you want.

1075
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:33,920
Tell us a shark fact.

1076
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:34,920
Why not?

1077
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:35,920
We love shark facts.

1078
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:45,040
But yeah, on that note, be curious and be kind.

1079
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,080
And we're going to need a bigger boat.

1080
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,440
And we're going to need a bigger boat.

1081
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:50,440
Yeah.

1082
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:51,440
Yeah.

1083
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:52,440
Okay.

1084
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:53,440
Goodbye.

1085
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,440
Goodbye.

1086
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:55,440
We love you.