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Hello.

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Hello.

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Are we on?

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Yep.

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Does this need to come out or are we good?

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I don't know.

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Does it need to come out further?

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Microphone.

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Does it need to be out further?

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I mean you guys all, you don't really talk.

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If you think it's good.

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Sometimes you just gotta do that.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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I'm like, I clean my bathroom.

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I don't know how clean my shower is, but what am I doing?

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Dear listener, her house always looks nice and she's always so worried about it, but

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it always looks nice.

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Dear listener, I always...

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That was a terrible laugh.

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Frantically clean before people come over.

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Dear listener.

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Dear listener.

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Please don't sue me, Taylor Swift.

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No.

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Not because we dislike her, because we like her a lot.

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And it's $1,200 to see her if you were in the worst spot of a stadium.

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I know.

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And sometimes I just feel like I need to sing one of her songs in the middle of a sentence,

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like I just did.

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Yeah.

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Speaking of concerts.

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Yes.

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I'm seeing a concert this week.

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Oh, I didn't realize that was this week.

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It's this week.

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That's exciting.

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Friday.

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It's two days from now.

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We're recording it at a weird time.

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We are.

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I am seeing a K-pop band on Friday and it's very exciting and their name is Twice.

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That is very exciting.

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Yeah.

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And I don't know what to expect.

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I know.

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You'll have to send me pictures.

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I will send you a lot of pictures.

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Yay.

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Dear Olivia, dear listener.

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Yes.

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Expect some pictures.

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That's good.

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Also, by the way, I'm Olivia.

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Yes you are.

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And I'm Drew.

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And we are oddly curious.

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Oddly curious.

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One of these days we'll get it.

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But it shouldn't sound too rehearsed.

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We can't sound like we have our stuff together too much.

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Yeah.

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We're like, we're actually just fooling you.

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We just want to sound nonchalant, but we're actually very together.

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We're actually really anxious.

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Lee together.

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Yes.

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Oh yeah.

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I was going to tell you the story on the podcast.

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I think I told you a little bit about this the other day, but I was at work doing my

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cleaning job and I'm usually not there by myself, but this particular day I was because

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someone was sick and I work in an area where there's a lot of homeless people, which is

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totally fine.

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I've grown up around areas with homeless people, so it's fine.

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But there is one person in particular that has been at my job a couple times and he looks

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like he's on drugs and is usually yelling out loud to himself or to someone that I cannot

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see.

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So anyway, when I got there, like he wasn't there and I was trying to take out the trash

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and I saw that he was kind of in the bushes by where I take out the trash and I was like,

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I just don't feel safe doing that.

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Just doing his own thing or he wasn't lying in wait for you.

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Right.

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And I'm like-

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No, I mean he wasn't waiting.

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Oh, I have no idea.

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Oh, okay.

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Oh.

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I kind of just peeked my head out to look and then I saw him there and I was like, oh,

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well, I would just feel uncomfortable if anyone was there that I didn't know.

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And I was like, oh, okay.

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I'm just going to go to the trash dry where I need to take out the trash and I have my

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back to them.

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And so I was waiting to see if he would go away.

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I waited 10, 15 minutes.

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He still didn't go away.

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And so I was like, well, I'll just call the non-emergent line and we have this service

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that will take people to shelters or help them out.

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But they said it would be an hour.

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Oh, because they have a long line.

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Because they have a long line.

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They only have like one vehicle out.

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Oh my gosh.

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So they're like, oh, we can just like send a couple officers and like escort him off

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the property.

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And I was like, well, I really need to like go to my next job.

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So if you could do that.

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And that took a long time as well.

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And it was just like, it was like kind of like that anxiety when you're like nothing

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like has happened.

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But you're like, if I wasn't more aware, like something could have happened.

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And I was like, I really, I need to get like a stun gun or something or pepper spray.

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I know somebody who has a taser.

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Is it someone that I know too?

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Yes.

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And it's really cute.

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And it's in the shape of, no, it's not in the shape of a frog, but it looks like a frog.

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I think I saw the company that she got it from.

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And there's one that's shaped like a bat, a mushroom.

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Oh, yes.

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And I want to get a little mushroom one.

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You should because she also got a bat on accident.

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Maybe it was asking for something else from this company.

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It's like an, like it's hooked to your keys and it jabs.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's a jabber, which would be dangerous for me because I trip.

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I'd get my own jabber.

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You would.

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Easily.

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But she ended up not getting that.

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She got another taser.

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So I think I'm just going to buy that from her.

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Oh, nice.

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It's in the shape of a, it's not in the shape of a bat.

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Why do we keep saying that?

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It's not bat shaped.

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It's just bat like and it's cuteness.

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Got you.

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Cute bat.

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Cute frog.

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Deadly weapon.

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It's like very.

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Not deadly.

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Cottagecore.

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Cottagecore violence.

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But we're not.

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I keep laughing like a dork tonight.

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What am I doing?

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Like we're not violent.

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We're just trying to protect ourselves.

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I keep snort laughing.

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Stop.

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Be normal.

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I know what I'm saying.

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It's been a long, it has been a long day.

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It's been a long couple of weeks.

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I started to get a little bit of a headache.

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I was like, I'm going to go to the bathroom.

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I'm going to go to the bathroom.

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I'm going to go to the bathroom.

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I'm going to go to the bathroom.

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I'm going to go to the bathroom.

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I'm going to go to the bathroom.

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Yeah it has been a long day.

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I started this day driving to a ton an hour away from me to work for 8 hours in a medical

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environment where we also had a homeless issue arise.

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They weren't an issue it was just we were trying to find shelter for somebody who had

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taken up residence.

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And it's just, it makes you really sad, but it's also like, well, you know, we can't.

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Oh, and somebody was trying to start a fire outside.

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Oh no.

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But it's also, we're in June.

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So that fire could be everywhere's fire.

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In an area that can create fire.

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We're known for fires.

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We are.

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Speaking of fires, New York has a lot of smoke right now.

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Oh my gosh, I know.

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And the fact that they're freaking out and so sad, I am sad for them.

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So when you come from a place that has smoke all the time and you see someone sad about

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their air quality and you're like, oh, first time.

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I know.

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I'm like, we have had it for like quite a few years and then there's China that's like,

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we've always had it.

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China's like, shut your mouth.

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I feel it's all bad.

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It's like, there's no winning with bad air quality.

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What am I saying?

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It's not a competition.

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No.

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In fact, let's have less of that.

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Let's win with good air quality.

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Sorry to keep interrupting you.

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The pictures of New York, it just like reminds me of dune.

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It looks like it has the dune filter over it.

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Very sepia.

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Yeah.

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But less.

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I don't know.

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I feel like it would probably be just as harsh.

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Like less sand worms.

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More.

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I feel like a sand worm would be preferable.

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Oh, yeah.

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Just like a sand worm coming through.

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Maybe it would help.

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Sand worm subway.

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We figured it out.

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Because they've already made tunnels underground.

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Oh my gosh.

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Solving, I like it.

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The world's problems with sidewalks.

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Like, you're welcome, New York.

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Just embrace your air and join dune.

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I don't remember the name of the planet.

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Arrakis.

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Visit Arrakis.

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Visit Arrakis in New York City.

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I'm trying to think.

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Oh, yeah.

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I was going to tell you about this podcast I've been listening to.

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It's called Scamanda.

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Scam.

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Her name is Amanda.

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And it's really interesting.

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This is like not spoilers at all because you figured this out pretty quickly that this

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woman is like faking that she has cancer in order to-

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That should be like a federal offense.

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It should be a federal offense.

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Like that just like says so much about you as a person.

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Yes.

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But like she's able to do it for like such a long period of time.

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And she's like vlogging the whole time that she like quote unquote has cancer.

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And just like all of these things-

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This isn't bone cancer, is it?

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She says like several different kinds of cancer.

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I remember hearing a story about bone cancer, but maybe there's several cancer scammers

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out there.

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But this one, she like was successful for quite a long time.

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And then it like goes into, I don't know how she like stole this woman's husband basically.

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And like she used to babysit for her kids, like whose kid also had cancer.

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And like that's even worse.

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That is worse.

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Faking it after that.

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And then yeah, it's just crazy.

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I'm like listened to it while I was cleaning the other day and I like binged all the episodes

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that they already have.

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I love that.

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But yeah, I highly recommend listening to it.

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And I didn't spoil anything.

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It's like-

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You basically just gave the trailer.

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I would hope that you would be able to tell by the title that she doesn't have cancer.

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Because her name isn't really Scamanda.

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Yeah.

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It's a scam spoiler alert.

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Yeah.

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Highly recommend.

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That's good.

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I wish I had something to recommend.

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I am, I feel like I'm not doing anything new.

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Doing the regular.

271
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I mean, other-

272
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Re-watching 30 Rocks still.

273
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Nice.

274
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I am watching Murder She Wrote.

275
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Oh yeah, which is good.

276
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We've talked about this because Murder She Wrote is, it's just a classic.

277
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It's like the most relaxing and also I just love it, it's very so much.

278
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So many interesting hairstyles and earrings.

279
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The 80s really gave it their best.

280
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I love that she wears a lot of sweatpants suits.

281
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She's like jogging in every episode.

282
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She's jogging.

283
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She's riding her bike.

284
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She is living the life that we want.

285
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Yeah.

286
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Living in like what?

287
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Coastal Maine.

288
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Writing, jogging.

289
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Solving murders.

290
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Solving murders.

291
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Not that we want murders, but it's like if it happened around us, we'd like the ability

292
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to just be like, hey, I'm Angela Lansbury.

293
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I can do anything.

294
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Yeah.

295
00:11:42,380 --> 00:11:48,700
I want to have the confidence and the observance skills of Angela Lansbury.

296
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Actually I feel like watching the show, I feel like my grandma could be Jessica Fletcher.

297
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Totally.

298
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Like she could solve murders.

299
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I have 100% faith in that.

300
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Yeah.

301
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Your grandma actually makes observations that I have never noticed before and that's fun.

302
00:12:06,740 --> 00:12:13,420
And I'm like, how did you see like that tiny thing from across the street?

303
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And she's like, don't ask.

304
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Yeah.

305
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I was about to say how old she is, but she'd probably hate me if I said that.

306
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And her wonderful many years of existence, but not too many.

307
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It's impressive at any age.

308
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At any age.

309
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Just regular years of existence.

310
00:12:28,460 --> 00:12:29,460
Exactly.

311
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Better than above standard.

312
00:12:31,060 --> 00:12:34,940
I don't know what I'm saying.

313
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I know what you're saying.

314
00:12:35,940 --> 00:12:36,940
Yeah.

315
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Okay.

316
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Listeners, I hope you know what we're saying.

317
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Yeah.

318
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Listeners quietly shaking their head.

319
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No.

320
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I feel like this is the most tired I've been in a while while recording an episode, so this

321
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should be interesting.

322
00:12:47,420 --> 00:12:48,420
Oh yeah.

323
00:12:48,420 --> 00:12:54,420
We are recording a little bit later, not time wise, just in the span of weeks time, weeks

324
00:12:54,420 --> 00:12:58,060
time, because Olivia did have a family emergency.

325
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Yes.

326
00:12:59,060 --> 00:13:01,580
I think that's adding to our tired.

327
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Not that I had a family emergency, but just life.

328
00:13:04,140 --> 00:13:06,100
Life is tiring.

329
00:13:06,100 --> 00:13:15,860
But yes, everything is fine with my family, but just we're trying to be consistent with

330
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our episodes, but sometimes life just happens.

331
00:13:18,580 --> 00:13:19,580
Yeah.

332
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And we just gotta move on.

333
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Keep moving forward.

334
00:13:24,220 --> 00:13:26,820
As Walt Disney would say.

335
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You would say keep moving forward and today you enter a land of yesterday, today and tomorrow.

336
00:13:33,500 --> 00:13:36,020
Nope, I just butchered that.

337
00:13:36,020 --> 00:13:39,500
Yesterday fantasy and tomorrow.

338
00:13:39,500 --> 00:13:42,100
He said, please take this churro.

339
00:13:42,100 --> 00:13:43,100
He's like, please.

340
00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:44,580
And make it the best day of your life.

341
00:13:44,580 --> 00:13:45,580
Quote me accurately.

342
00:13:45,580 --> 00:13:46,580
Please.

343
00:13:46,580 --> 00:13:47,580
Yeah.

344
00:13:47,580 --> 00:13:48,580
Anyway.

345
00:13:48,580 --> 00:13:49,580
Anyway.

346
00:13:49,580 --> 00:13:54,380
But otherwise, yeah, I think I'm doing okay.

347
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Good.

348
00:13:55,380 --> 00:14:00,940
I'm really excited because I have my cousins coming to visit.

349
00:14:00,940 --> 00:14:02,740
I'm going to pick her up from the airport.

350
00:14:02,740 --> 00:14:05,260
She's going to go with me to the K-pop concert.

351
00:14:05,260 --> 00:14:06,260
Yay.

352
00:14:06,260 --> 00:14:08,740
And it's going to be a good time.

353
00:14:08,740 --> 00:14:13,020
It'll be a lot of fun girl times to be had.

354
00:14:13,020 --> 00:14:14,540
Very nice.

355
00:14:14,540 --> 00:14:18,660
My friend, my cousin and I.

356
00:14:18,660 --> 00:14:20,500
I wish you were coming.

357
00:14:20,500 --> 00:14:26,380
I appreciate that, but I'm also like excited that I have pretty much no plans this weekend

358
00:14:26,380 --> 00:14:29,780
and I'm just going to be swimming at the pool at my apartment.

359
00:14:29,780 --> 00:14:30,780
Oh my gosh.

360
00:14:30,780 --> 00:14:32,620
Actually thrilled to do that.

361
00:14:32,620 --> 00:14:36,400
That is probably on the same excitement level as what I'm going to do.

362
00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,740
There's nothing like being relaxed in your own home, but somehow you have a pool magically.

363
00:14:40,740 --> 00:14:42,380
I do not have a pool.

364
00:14:42,380 --> 00:14:44,540
I know we talked about this.

365
00:14:44,540 --> 00:14:47,700
You need to because I can have like, I think two guests.

366
00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:48,700
Yes.

367
00:14:48,700 --> 00:14:49,700
So I would like to be one.

368
00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:50,700
Yes.

369
00:14:50,700 --> 00:14:52,620
I will guest it up anytime.

370
00:14:52,620 --> 00:14:53,620
Yay.

371
00:14:53,620 --> 00:14:54,620
Yay.

372
00:14:54,620 --> 00:14:58,060
Anyway, that's all I have to add.

373
00:14:58,060 --> 00:15:01,340
Oh, there was one thing I wanted to say.

374
00:15:01,340 --> 00:15:02,340
Yes.

375
00:15:02,340 --> 00:15:03,340
Nope.

376
00:15:03,340 --> 00:15:07,900
I don't, I think I was going to say something about it last time and I was like, you know,

377
00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:09,740
the time has really come and gone.

378
00:15:09,740 --> 00:15:15,860
I was obsessed with this coffee cup that I saw that's super vintage.

379
00:15:15,860 --> 00:15:23,380
It's from the seventies and it's like a kind of pottery that was made in England and I

380
00:15:23,380 --> 00:15:24,500
really, really wanted it.

381
00:15:24,500 --> 00:15:29,020
But then I think I was just really like obsessive for a day and then they moved on.

382
00:15:29,020 --> 00:15:31,380
But I was going to show you.

383
00:15:31,380 --> 00:15:34,580
Yeah, I want to see it.

384
00:15:34,580 --> 00:15:38,220
And of course in the moment when I was looking it up, I was like, oh, I want to tell people

385
00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:39,220
about this.

386
00:15:39,220 --> 00:15:40,220
This is what I want.

387
00:15:40,220 --> 00:15:45,220
Oh, can we see?

388
00:15:45,220 --> 00:15:48,940
This I guess it's there's a part of England where this is it's made.

389
00:15:48,940 --> 00:15:54,140
It's from the seventies and I just thought it was super rad.

390
00:15:54,140 --> 00:15:58,060
It's probably really small because I feel like everything in the seventies, everything

391
00:15:58,060 --> 00:15:59,300
back then was probably smaller.

392
00:15:59,300 --> 00:16:00,980
They weren't as addicted to caffeine.

393
00:16:00,980 --> 00:16:01,980
True.

394
00:16:01,980 --> 00:16:03,860
But this dragon is so cool.

395
00:16:03,860 --> 00:16:05,580
That is really cool.

396
00:16:05,580 --> 00:16:07,260
Look how much it is on Etsy.

397
00:16:07,260 --> 00:16:09,260
Oh my gosh.

398
00:16:09,260 --> 00:16:10,260
Sixty three dollars.

399
00:16:10,260 --> 00:16:11,980
That's a lot for what is probably a small cup.

400
00:16:11,980 --> 00:16:12,980
Yeah.

401
00:16:12,980 --> 00:16:16,140
And I'm like, I know what I was like, I was I was thinking I love a podcast cup where

402
00:16:16,140 --> 00:16:21,620
I could be like, this is my podcast cup for coffee or tea when I record with Olivia.

403
00:16:21,620 --> 00:16:24,340
And then I was like, well, I can just like it from afar.

404
00:16:24,340 --> 00:16:27,820
You're like, this was my imaginary podcast.

405
00:16:27,820 --> 00:16:28,820
Yeah.

406
00:16:28,820 --> 00:16:32,180
To the Horn Sea pottery out there.

407
00:16:32,180 --> 00:16:34,340
You're beautiful.

408
00:16:34,340 --> 00:16:35,340
Do your thing.

409
00:16:35,340 --> 00:16:37,020
I will like you from over here.

410
00:16:37,020 --> 00:16:40,780
And maybe one will come into your life.

411
00:16:40,780 --> 00:16:41,780
Who knows?

412
00:16:41,780 --> 00:16:42,780
Yes.

413
00:16:42,780 --> 00:16:43,780
I don't know.

414
00:16:43,780 --> 00:16:44,780
That beautiful thing of mysteriously appearing.

415
00:16:44,780 --> 00:16:45,780
I don't know.

416
00:16:45,780 --> 00:16:46,780
But that's it.

417
00:16:46,780 --> 00:16:47,780
That's all.

418
00:16:47,780 --> 00:16:48,780
That's all for me.

419
00:16:48,780 --> 00:16:49,780
That's all she wrote.

420
00:16:49,780 --> 00:16:50,780
Mm hmm.

421
00:16:50,780 --> 00:16:51,780
That is all she wrote.

422
00:16:51,780 --> 00:16:52,780
That wasn't murder.

423
00:16:52,780 --> 00:16:53,780
That is all.

424
00:16:53,780 --> 00:16:54,780
What?

425
00:16:54,780 --> 00:16:55,780
Yes, the Fletcher wrote.

426
00:16:55,780 --> 00:16:56,780
Yeah.

427
00:16:56,780 --> 00:16:57,780
Oh, man.

428
00:16:57,780 --> 00:16:58,780
OK.

429
00:16:58,780 --> 00:17:01,780
We're like rolling into.

430
00:17:01,780 --> 00:17:05,780
Do you have anything else to add before we jump into?

431
00:17:05,780 --> 00:17:07,780
I don't think so.

432
00:17:07,780 --> 00:17:13,780
And if I think of anything else, I'll just pipe up at the end of the pod.

433
00:17:13,780 --> 00:17:14,780
Yeah.

434
00:17:14,780 --> 00:17:15,780
OK.

435
00:17:15,780 --> 00:17:16,780
Sounds good.

436
00:17:16,780 --> 00:17:17,780
I like that we have the ability to just pipe up whenever.

437
00:17:17,780 --> 00:17:18,780
I tell me too.

438
00:17:18,780 --> 00:17:21,660
I'm like, hey, you got something to pipe up about?

439
00:17:21,660 --> 00:17:25,380
Pipe away.

440
00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:26,620
So I think I'm first.

441
00:17:26,620 --> 00:17:27,620
You're first this week.

442
00:17:27,620 --> 00:17:28,620
Yes.

443
00:17:28,620 --> 00:17:31,420
Because last week you sadly ended it with Marie Antoinette.

444
00:17:31,420 --> 00:17:32,420
Yeah.

445
00:17:32,420 --> 00:17:36,380
But I mean, there was no good way between the two of us to end.

446
00:17:36,380 --> 00:17:37,380
No.

447
00:17:37,380 --> 00:17:40,380
I feel like I could have ended it depressingly.

448
00:17:40,380 --> 00:17:42,380
Sadly, sadly what?

449
00:17:42,380 --> 00:17:44,060
No, sadly was it.

450
00:17:44,060 --> 00:17:45,060
I can't talk.

451
00:17:45,060 --> 00:17:46,060
That's the synonym.

452
00:17:46,060 --> 00:17:47,060
Yeah.

453
00:17:47,060 --> 00:17:48,060
Wow.

454
00:17:48,060 --> 00:17:49,060
Oh, gosh.

455
00:17:49,060 --> 00:17:50,060
We're doing it.

456
00:17:50,060 --> 00:17:51,060
We're doing it.

457
00:17:51,060 --> 00:17:52,060
Thank you for being here.

458
00:17:52,060 --> 00:17:56,460
Thank you for putting up with us.

459
00:17:56,460 --> 00:18:03,700
And remember how last week I said I was going to do a happy or silly one?

460
00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:04,700
Yeah.

461
00:18:04,700 --> 00:18:05,700
I lied.

462
00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:08,380
I also said the same thing.

463
00:18:08,380 --> 00:18:09,540
I also lied.

464
00:18:09,540 --> 00:18:17,220
But I feel like there's different facets of what can be not happy and silly.

465
00:18:17,220 --> 00:18:19,820
And I think sometimes it's more palatable.

466
00:18:19,820 --> 00:18:24,700
Yours has some, I'm not going to spoil anything, but yours has some sad moments, but it also

467
00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:27,140
just has some kind of wackadoo moments too.

468
00:18:27,140 --> 00:18:28,740
This is wackadoo moments.

469
00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:30,700
It's kind of bananas moments.

470
00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:31,700
It is.

471
00:18:31,700 --> 00:18:32,700
Yeah.

472
00:18:32,700 --> 00:18:41,300
The next line that I will be doing today is the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

473
00:18:41,300 --> 00:18:42,300
This is going to be good.

474
00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:43,820
I don't know very much about it.

475
00:18:43,820 --> 00:18:48,340
Deepwater Horizon actually sounds like a scary movie with a shark.

476
00:18:48,340 --> 00:18:52,340
Well, it actually, it was later turned into a movie, which I will talk about.

477
00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:53,420
Oh, good.

478
00:18:53,420 --> 00:18:54,420
Not a shark.

479
00:18:54,420 --> 00:18:58,460
But yeah, I didn't know much about it either.

480
00:18:58,460 --> 00:19:05,060
I just vaguely knew that it was a true story, but I learned a lot of new things when I was

481
00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:06,820
researching, which is always fun.

482
00:19:06,820 --> 00:19:15,060
So my main sources were of course Wikipedia, the Maritime Executive, and it didn't have

483
00:19:15,060 --> 00:19:17,180
any author listed.

484
00:19:17,180 --> 00:19:25,180
It was just the Maritime Executive, Unexplained Mysteries podcast, specifically Dark Green,

485
00:19:25,180 --> 00:19:26,940
Earth Crimes and Conspiracies.

486
00:19:26,940 --> 00:19:28,900
Ooh, that's a good title.

487
00:19:28,900 --> 00:19:29,900
I know.

488
00:19:29,900 --> 00:19:32,020
It's a very interesting series.

489
00:19:32,020 --> 00:19:34,060
And then Encyclopedia Britannica.

490
00:19:34,060 --> 00:19:35,060
Classic.

491
00:19:35,060 --> 00:19:36,060
I know.

492
00:19:36,060 --> 00:19:40,300
It actually has, I mean, of course it's like an encyclopedia.

493
00:19:40,300 --> 00:19:41,300
You know what?

494
00:19:41,300 --> 00:19:44,300
It actually has a lot of information.

495
00:19:44,300 --> 00:19:47,300
Oh, God.

496
00:19:47,300 --> 00:19:52,540
You're like, you know what I love about encyclopedias?

497
00:19:52,540 --> 00:19:53,980
They just know so much.

498
00:19:53,980 --> 00:19:55,980
They just have so much to say.

499
00:19:55,980 --> 00:19:58,700
You're like, you know what I like about Merriam-Webster?

500
00:19:58,700 --> 00:20:00,700
It has a lot of words.

501
00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:02,700
I love those words, definitions.

502
00:20:02,700 --> 00:20:03,700
Oh, man.

503
00:20:03,700 --> 00:20:06,700
I always thought Merriam-Webster was a woman.

504
00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:08,700
Is it like two last names?

505
00:20:08,700 --> 00:20:09,700
I have no idea.

506
00:20:09,700 --> 00:20:10,700
Maybe we should find out.

507
00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:11,700
I know.

508
00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:14,700
I'm like, Merriam-Webster, would she like to know it all in class?

509
00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:16,700
I think it is hyphenated.

510
00:20:16,700 --> 00:20:17,700
It is.

511
00:20:17,700 --> 00:20:18,700
Yeah.

512
00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:19,700
Anyway.

513
00:20:19,700 --> 00:20:20,700
Is it one of those double last name people?

514
00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:21,700
Oh, they're so fancy.

515
00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:22,700
They are fancy.

516
00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:23,700
But yeah, you're right.

517
00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:27,220
I love the encyclopedias.

518
00:20:27,220 --> 00:20:28,220
You're on to it.

519
00:20:28,220 --> 00:20:29,220
So much knowledge.

520
00:20:29,220 --> 00:20:30,220
Okay.

521
00:20:30,220 --> 00:20:33,860
So getting into our topic.

522
00:20:33,860 --> 00:20:41,980
So deep water was an ultra deep water semi-submersible offshore drilling rig owned by TransOcean

523
00:20:41,980 --> 00:20:44,460
and operated by BP.

524
00:20:44,460 --> 00:20:48,900
And so I'm going to do a little summary before I kind of get into the main topic.

525
00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:49,900
Okay.

526
00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:58,140
On April 20th, 2010, while drilling on Macondo off the coast of Louisiana, a blowout caused

527
00:20:58,140 --> 00:21:04,780
an explosion on the rig that killed 11 crewmen and the fireball was visible from 40 miles

528
00:21:04,780 --> 00:21:05,780
away.

529
00:21:05,780 --> 00:21:06,780
Oh my.

530
00:21:06,780 --> 00:21:07,780
I know.

531
00:21:07,780 --> 00:21:13,420
The fire was unable to be extinguished and two days later, the horizon sank, continuing

532
00:21:13,420 --> 00:21:18,860
to gush oil and causing the largest marine oil spill in history.

533
00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:24,860
So a little backstory and who knew that an oil rig could have backstory, but apparently

534
00:21:24,860 --> 00:21:26,620
it does.

535
00:21:26,620 --> 00:21:27,620
That's nice.

536
00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:29,340
I'm like, it has its own little origin story.

537
00:21:29,340 --> 00:21:30,340
That's actually really cute.

538
00:21:30,340 --> 00:21:31,340
It is kind of cute.

539
00:21:31,340 --> 00:21:33,740
It's not its fault.

540
00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:38,780
Deep water was built by Hyundai Heavy Industries in Ulsan, South Korea.

541
00:21:38,780 --> 00:21:43,140
I was going to say, wait, that's South Korea, right?

542
00:21:43,140 --> 00:21:47,940
Construction began in 1998 and was delivered in 2001.

543
00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:54,700
Deep water had successfully worked in oil fields for BHP and Exxon in the past.

544
00:21:54,700 --> 00:22:00,140
And it was at times called a lucky rig and was very celebrated.

545
00:22:00,140 --> 00:22:03,380
So it had a good track record up until this point.

546
00:22:03,380 --> 00:22:07,140
Oh, it had many Korean awards.

547
00:22:07,140 --> 00:22:08,140
I know.

548
00:22:08,140 --> 00:22:14,820
I'm like, oh, I just, I want to know like the little backstory of Korea building it.

549
00:22:14,820 --> 00:22:15,820
That's actually really nice.

550
00:22:15,820 --> 00:22:16,820
It's kind of cute.

551
00:22:16,820 --> 00:22:19,540
It has great bands and great oil rigs.

552
00:22:19,540 --> 00:22:21,900
Yeah, just like great industry.

553
00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:22,900
Industry.

554
00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:27,580
Solid Korean industry.

555
00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:36,100
And so oil rigs are subject to safety inspections by the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management.

556
00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:42,540
And after the incident, an investigation was done by Associated Press and it revealed that

557
00:22:42,540 --> 00:22:48,500
safety documentation and emergency procedure information were missing for the rig, including

558
00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:51,220
on the day of the incident.

559
00:22:51,220 --> 00:22:56,940
And there isn't a specific number listed of how often it was supposed to be inspected.

560
00:22:56,940 --> 00:23:01,700
It appears that it would change from time to time, like standards would change in the

561
00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:04,580
industry of how often it should be inspected.

562
00:23:04,580 --> 00:23:12,820
But for the first 40 months, all safety procedures were done.

563
00:23:12,820 --> 00:23:17,000
And then after that, about 25% of the procedures were omitted.

564
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:22,660
So it sounds like they're starting to like cut corners on safety procedures.

565
00:23:22,660 --> 00:23:23,660
Never good.

566
00:23:23,660 --> 00:23:25,560
No, it's never good.

567
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:30,020
But why cut corners when it's dealing with a flammable part of the earth?

568
00:23:30,020 --> 00:23:35,780
These are all such good questions that I think have very obvious answers, but apparently

569
00:23:35,780 --> 00:23:37,260
people in the industry don't.

570
00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:41,780
A few rich people are like, you know what, let's put a pin in that.

571
00:23:41,780 --> 00:23:44,020
Let's table back.

572
00:23:44,020 --> 00:23:45,020
I don't know what they say.

573
00:23:45,020 --> 00:23:50,360
They're like, let's circle back to that after there's a horrific incident.

574
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:55,620
Let's get into our round table and circle back.

575
00:23:55,620 --> 00:24:01,340
So during its time, the rig received a total of five safety violations, which to me sounds

576
00:24:01,340 --> 00:24:02,340
really bad.

577
00:24:02,340 --> 00:24:04,820
And I think to most people sounds bad.

578
00:24:04,820 --> 00:24:13,620
But according to their records that the rig actually has strong safety practices and they

579
00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:16,160
were never on any sort of watch list.

580
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:24,060
So I'm gathering that it's kind of common for the industry and like five flags aren't

581
00:24:24,060 --> 00:24:29,780
necessarily like a warning sign, which is concerning.

582
00:24:29,780 --> 00:24:32,140
That is concerning.

583
00:24:32,140 --> 00:24:35,340
So back to the day of the incident.

584
00:24:35,340 --> 00:24:43,300
At 7 45 p.m. on April 20th, 2010, during the final phases of drilling on the Gulf of Mexico,

585
00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:49,820
a geyser of seawater erupted from the marine riser onto the rig, shooting 70 meters in

586
00:24:49,820 --> 00:24:50,820
the air.

587
00:24:50,820 --> 00:24:57,100
And then that was followed by an eruption of drilling mud, methane gas and water.

588
00:24:57,100 --> 00:25:03,220
And the mixture of those three things quickly transformed into a gaseous state and ignited

589
00:25:03,220 --> 00:25:07,620
into a series of explosions and then a firestorm.

590
00:25:07,620 --> 00:25:13,500
An attempt was made to activate the blowout preventer, but that failed.

591
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:19,500
And then another attempt was made to plug the well, but that also failed.

592
00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:25,540
Marine workers were presumed killed in the initial explosion.

593
00:25:25,540 --> 00:25:30,940
And then there were survivors of the blast that got into lifeboats and went out to sea.

594
00:25:30,940 --> 00:25:36,500
However, there were some left behind because, I mean, I feel like this always happens in

595
00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:37,500
a disaster.

596
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:39,100
There's not enough lifeboats.

597
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:45,600
And so they had to inflate a life raft and they were barely able to escape in time before

598
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:46,600
the explosion.

599
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,100
Before I think it was after the explosion.

600
00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:57,020
But it was more like before the fire could overtake them.

601
00:25:57,020 --> 00:26:02,260
So one of the crane operators, Dale, took extra time to dock his machine properly to

602
00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:07,220
make sure that there was no additional risks to his fellow crew members.

603
00:26:07,220 --> 00:26:12,140
But unfortunately, this decision cost him his life and he was overtaken by the fire,

604
00:26:12,140 --> 00:26:14,820
making him the 11th victim.

605
00:26:14,820 --> 00:26:19,720
For the other workers, it was hard to determine their cause of death just due to the nature

606
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,260
of the accident.

607
00:26:21,260 --> 00:26:24,620
And some of them are still missing and they haven't recovered their bodies.

608
00:26:24,620 --> 00:26:25,620
Oh no.

609
00:26:25,620 --> 00:26:26,620
I know.

610
00:26:26,620 --> 00:26:27,620
It's so sad.

611
00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:33,380
And then the rig ultimately sank on April 22nd, which ironically is Earth Day.

612
00:26:33,380 --> 00:26:34,380
Oh no.

613
00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:35,380
I know.

614
00:26:35,380 --> 00:26:36,380
That's really sad.

615
00:26:36,380 --> 00:26:42,340
I'm like, it's always sad, but it's just like, oh man, that just, like the irony of it.

616
00:26:42,340 --> 00:26:43,340
The coffin.

617
00:26:43,340 --> 00:26:44,340
Yeah.

618
00:26:44,340 --> 00:26:50,980
And then in the 87 days that followed, the ruptured well spilled an estimated 210 million

619
00:26:50,980 --> 00:26:54,820
gallons of crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico.

620
00:26:54,820 --> 00:27:00,580
Oil slicks from the blowout spread to cover nearly 60,000 square miles of ocean and also

621
00:27:00,580 --> 00:27:05,900
washed up along 4,500 miles of shoreline.

622
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:11,860
They were unable to seal the spill right away, partly because the pressure buildup from sealing

623
00:27:11,860 --> 00:27:15,700
the spill could actually cause another blowout.

624
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:21,340
So they tried a method called top kill, which involves pouring heavy drilling mud down the

625
00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:25,980
well in hopes that the pressure would stop the crude from rising.

626
00:27:25,980 --> 00:27:30,300
But ultimately it wasn't heavy or dense enough to stop it.

627
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:36,120
And then they tried throwing golf balls and rubber balls to try and stop the flow, which

628
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:40,020
that didn't work either, which to me that just does not sound like it's going to work.

629
00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:41,740
No, I don't know the logic behind that.

630
00:27:41,740 --> 00:27:42,740
I don't know.

631
00:27:42,740 --> 00:27:46,500
I guess maybe they thought they could throw enough down that it would stop it.

632
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:48,780
But I'm like, I don't know.

633
00:27:48,780 --> 00:27:49,780
That's bad.

634
00:27:49,780 --> 00:27:50,780
Yeah.

635
00:27:50,780 --> 00:27:53,100
I feel like that would just make the golf balls come out.

636
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:54,100
Yeah.

637
00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:55,100
Now those are the ocean.

638
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:56,100
Like I don't feel well.

639
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:57,100
Yeah.

640
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,660
And then it's like throwing up golf balls.

641
00:27:59,660 --> 00:28:00,660
Yeah.

642
00:28:00,660 --> 00:28:07,500
So on July 12th, they put a cap on the well and monitored pressure levels closely.

643
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:12,820
And when it seemed like the capping stack, which is what the method is called, was working,

644
00:28:12,820 --> 00:28:14,980
they shut off the flow of oil.

645
00:28:14,980 --> 00:28:17,740
And it looked like they had avoided another blowout.

646
00:28:17,740 --> 00:28:22,940
But unfortunately that was because so much oil had already seeped into the ocean.

647
00:28:22,940 --> 00:28:26,940
So it was more due to the fact that there wasn't as much pressure building up because

648
00:28:26,940 --> 00:28:30,460
so much of the oil had already gone into the ocean.

649
00:28:30,460 --> 00:28:31,460
Oh no.

650
00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:32,460
I know.

651
00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:36,860
I mean, like it's good that they were able to like put a stop to some of it, but it's

652
00:28:36,860 --> 00:28:40,140
like the damage had already been done.

653
00:28:40,140 --> 00:28:45,300
And the oil impeded marine life's ability to swim and fly.

654
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:47,340
And this is when it gets really sad.

655
00:28:47,340 --> 00:28:52,020
An estimated 14,000 turtles died as a direct result of the disaster.

656
00:28:52,020 --> 00:28:53,020
Oh, I know.

657
00:28:53,020 --> 00:28:55,620
Sweet little baby turtles.

658
00:28:55,620 --> 00:29:00,820
And coral reefs that were centuries old were significantly damaged and still haven't recovered

659
00:29:00,820 --> 00:29:02,860
from the oil spill.

660
00:29:02,860 --> 00:29:07,740
An estimated 800,000 birds died as a result of the spill.

661
00:29:07,740 --> 00:29:08,740
And they were-

662
00:29:08,740 --> 00:29:12,700
Think of all those Dawn commercials that needed to happen.

663
00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:18,020
And they were so heavily affected because birds rely on the water for food and it helps

664
00:29:18,020 --> 00:29:19,340
them to cool down too.

665
00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:22,780
So like they a lot of times will land on the water.

666
00:29:22,780 --> 00:29:26,060
But yeah, poor birds.

667
00:29:26,060 --> 00:29:34,140
And then dolphins were among the hardest hit due to oil poisoning and not only were they

668
00:29:34,140 --> 00:29:41,940
poisoned, but their birth rates have also plummeted in the Gulf and their survival rate

669
00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:47,740
like past birth or like past pregnancy is still very difficult.

670
00:29:47,740 --> 00:29:48,740
Like to this day.

671
00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:49,740
To this day.

672
00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:56,980
And then there's so many less dolphins and I think there's one called the speckled nose

673
00:29:56,980 --> 00:30:01,540
dolphin that they said it was so common in the area that it was almost like rats.

674
00:30:01,540 --> 00:30:07,140
Like they're like so common, but now they can't even hear them on the sonar anymore.

675
00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:08,140
Oh no.

676
00:30:08,140 --> 00:30:09,140
It makes me so sad.

677
00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:11,340
And then as far as-

678
00:30:11,340 --> 00:30:13,060
Justice to the speckled nose dolphin.

679
00:30:13,060 --> 00:30:16,220
Yes, and all the birds and turtles.

680
00:30:16,220 --> 00:30:22,940
And as far as the food supply goes, fish that have been exposed to oil contains a high amount

681
00:30:22,940 --> 00:30:28,420
of mercury and then due to the chemicals that they use to try and disperse the oil, the

682
00:30:28,420 --> 00:30:32,740
fish also contains carcinogens from the chemicals.

683
00:30:32,740 --> 00:30:39,580
And then after the spill, fishing was not only- no, it was restricted in only parts

684
00:30:39,580 --> 00:30:46,260
of the Gulf, but it still affected a large amount of the sale and purchasing and some

685
00:30:46,260 --> 00:30:54,500
of the supply chain was shut down in the US due to lack of access.

686
00:30:54,500 --> 00:31:00,260
To try and contain the damage, BP hired thousands of local fishermen and residents to help with

687
00:31:00,260 --> 00:31:03,020
skimming and shoreline cleanup.

688
00:31:03,020 --> 00:31:10,300
The Gulf fishing industry lost an estimated $1 billion in revenue and POC fishermen were

689
00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:17,140
heavily affected because a lot of them in the area rely on fishing for revenue and it

690
00:31:17,140 --> 00:31:25,100
also affected their food source and was closer to the neighborhoods that they lived in.

691
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:31,340
And just touching the oil or breathing in the fumes can cause long-term health effects.

692
00:31:31,340 --> 00:31:32,340
Cleanup workers-

693
00:31:32,340 --> 00:31:33,340
They're a dolphin?

694
00:31:33,340 --> 00:31:34,340
Yes.

695
00:31:34,340 --> 00:31:40,820
But even if you are someone who just helps with the cleanup, there was one woman who

696
00:31:40,820 --> 00:31:45,900
she just cleaned her husband's clothes that had been helping with the cleanup and she

697
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:51,940
got ill from, I think it was like the carcinogens and the oil.

698
00:31:51,940 --> 00:31:57,500
And cleanup workers say that exposure to the oil and chemicals have affected their health

699
00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:02,820
and they're still seeking financial compensation from BP.

700
00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:03,820
So as far as-

701
00:32:03,820 --> 00:32:04,820
They're still seeking compensation?

702
00:32:04,820 --> 00:32:05,820
Yeah.

703
00:32:05,820 --> 00:32:07,340
BP has not paid them.

704
00:32:07,340 --> 00:32:12,580
So they were paid for the initial task of cleanup, but not for the medical effects.

705
00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:13,580
Oh no.

706
00:32:13,580 --> 00:32:17,060
Which I'm like, BP can afford it.

707
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:18,060
Yeah, they can.

708
00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:25,140
But I guess it's just trying to get a class action lawsuit together and everything.

709
00:32:25,140 --> 00:32:32,140
And as far as the criminal investigation went, a formal civil and criminal investigation

710
00:32:32,140 --> 00:32:39,580
into this bill was initiated in June 2010 by the US Department of Justice.

711
00:32:39,580 --> 00:32:46,940
And the DOJ sued BP, TransOcean, and Anadarko, a minority owner of the well.

712
00:32:46,940 --> 00:32:54,140
And in New Orleans, the civil court in December 2010 for violating the Clean Water Act and

713
00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:56,860
the Oil Pollution Act.

714
00:32:56,860 --> 00:33:06,540
In early March 2012, BP agreed to settle claims made by the plaintiffs and the victims of

715
00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:09,540
the spill for at least 7.8 billion.

716
00:33:09,540 --> 00:33:14,060
And I knew that- oh my gosh, I can't talk.

717
00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:21,380
And in November 2012, BP reached an agreement with the DOJ to plead guilty to 14 criminal

718
00:33:21,380 --> 00:33:29,740
charges among them, the 11 courts, the 11 counts of felony manslaughter, and violations

719
00:33:29,740 --> 00:33:33,260
of the Clean Water and Migratory Bird Treaty Acts.

720
00:33:33,260 --> 00:33:36,420
Do you have a question?

721
00:33:36,420 --> 00:33:45,220
So were these acts before the accident or have they started because of it?

722
00:33:45,220 --> 00:33:47,140
I think they were before the accident.

723
00:33:47,140 --> 00:33:48,140
Okay.

724
00:33:48,140 --> 00:33:58,500
So were they ever existing, I don't know if it would be a specific organization or a bill?

725
00:33:58,500 --> 00:33:59,500
Yeah.

726
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:00,500
Good question.

727
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:01,500
Don't ask me about legal stuff.

728
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:04,500
Do you like that I said good question to me?

729
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:09,020
You're like, you know what, that was a good question.

730
00:34:09,020 --> 00:34:12,020
Good question, self.

731
00:34:12,020 --> 00:34:14,140
Yeah I don't know anything about legal stuff either.

732
00:34:14,140 --> 00:34:17,460
No, I was like, please don't want to ask about legal things.

733
00:34:17,460 --> 00:34:18,660
I'm like, you did.

734
00:34:18,660 --> 00:34:22,780
Now about those manslaughter counts.

735
00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:26,860
I'm like, look, this is just what the very knowledgeable encyclopedia Britannica told

736
00:34:26,860 --> 00:34:27,860
me.

737
00:34:27,860 --> 00:34:28,860
Right.

738
00:34:28,860 --> 00:34:36,620
And as far as the environment goes, some researchers- I truly am struggling today.

739
00:34:36,620 --> 00:34:38,580
You're doing good.

740
00:34:38,580 --> 00:34:44,420
As far as the environment goes, some researchers believe that the environmental impact on Louisiana's

741
00:34:44,420 --> 00:34:49,700
coastal wetlands are still persisting as recently as 2018.

742
00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:55,300
Areas oiled by the spill appeared to have less root mass and reduced soil strength,

743
00:34:55,300 --> 00:35:00,020
potentially accelerating the region's problems with coastal erosion.

744
00:35:00,020 --> 00:35:05,460
And then in April of 2023, BP made its return to the Gulf.

745
00:35:05,460 --> 00:35:06,460
No it didn't.

746
00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:10,420
It's first new offshore operated platform since the spill.

747
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:11,420
And-

748
00:35:11,420 --> 00:35:14,340
They're like, we're back and we're better than ever.

749
00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:16,300
I'm like, well, I hope you're better.

750
00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:17,300
Better be better.

751
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:18,300
Seriously.

752
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:21,300
And then I was like, we have no golf balls.

753
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:22,300
We're doing great.

754
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:24,700
I'm like, and also do all your safety checks.

755
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:25,700
Yeah.

756
00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:26,700
No, they didn't.

757
00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:27,700
I asked.

758
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:28,700
They didn't.

759
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:29,700
Yeah.

760
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:30,700
I'm like, you know what?

761
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:31,700
I'll be doing good.

762
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:32,700
I don't have any faith in BP.

763
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:33,700
No, no.

764
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:34,700
Please don't sue us BP.

765
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:35,700
I don't care.

766
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:40,700
Well, then send them a really sad bird.

767
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:42,940
I know.

768
00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:50,300
And then in 2016, there was a movie released with the title Deepwater Horizon starring

769
00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:52,340
Mark Wahlberg based off-

770
00:35:52,340 --> 00:35:53,340
Marky Mark.

771
00:35:53,340 --> 00:35:54,340
Yes.

772
00:35:54,340 --> 00:36:02,180
Which is, I hadn't seen it because I was like, I'm not a huge fan of Mark Wahlberg, but after

773
00:36:02,180 --> 00:36:04,900
researching this story, I kind of want to watch it.

774
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:09,340
But it was based off the New York Times article, Deepwater Horizon's Final Hours.

775
00:36:09,340 --> 00:36:15,140
And it includes the initial accident and then the spill as well.

776
00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:17,100
So I think that'll be interesting.

777
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:22,980
I hope they don't dramatize it too much just because people are so affected by it.

778
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:23,980
That's true.

779
00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:24,980
Yeah.

780
00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:25,980
You don't want to be.

781
00:36:25,980 --> 00:36:26,980
Like the Hollywood dramatics.

782
00:36:26,980 --> 00:36:30,500
How strong is his Boston accent in New Orleans is what I want to know.

783
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:34,340
To be fair, a lot of the oil rig workers were from different states.

784
00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:35,340
Oh, OK.

785
00:36:35,340 --> 00:36:36,340
OK.

786
00:36:36,340 --> 00:36:39,980
Hey, oil rig, say hello to your mother for me.

787
00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:42,140
Oh, I can't.

788
00:36:42,140 --> 00:36:43,140
No.

789
00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:49,860
But yeah, a lot of the, I think that's just like common for oil rig workers is that-

790
00:36:49,860 --> 00:36:50,860
That's true.

791
00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:55,900
It's like something that they can do for like months at a time and they can be paid really

792
00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:58,380
well because it's such hard and such dangerous work.

793
00:36:58,380 --> 00:37:04,900
If I've learned anything from the movie Armageddon, you can be on an oil rig.

794
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:10,420
But also be employed for working in space.

795
00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:15,220
Yeah, which had other Bostonian been athletic.

796
00:37:15,220 --> 00:37:17,420
I feel like people from Boston are so tough.

797
00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:21,340
They're like, you can put us anywhere and we will not only be good at it, but we'll

798
00:37:21,340 --> 00:37:22,340
also yell at you.

799
00:37:22,340 --> 00:37:23,340
They're like, you know what?

800
00:37:23,340 --> 00:37:24,340
We're going to thrive on this oil rig.

801
00:37:24,340 --> 00:37:26,420
We're going to thrive on this oil rig.

802
00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:29,180
We're going to drink bad coffee.

803
00:37:29,180 --> 00:37:30,940
Sorry, Dunkin Donuts, you know.

804
00:37:30,940 --> 00:37:32,380
Oh my gosh.

805
00:37:32,380 --> 00:37:33,380
Don't even get us started.

806
00:37:33,380 --> 00:37:35,060
I'm like quick aside.

807
00:37:35,060 --> 00:37:37,380
Do you think people are going to hate us for that?

808
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:38,380
I don't care.

809
00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:44,500
I have to say when I went to Alabama, we were getting coffee one day and I was like, oh,

810
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:47,140
I'm going to try Dunkin Donuts because like I-

811
00:37:47,140 --> 00:37:48,620
Because America runs on Dunkin, it says.

812
00:37:48,620 --> 00:37:49,620
America runs on Dunkin.

813
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:51,660
Like I hear so much hype about it.

814
00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:58,260
I don't know if it was just like the one I went to, but I'm a very pale person and the

815
00:37:58,260 --> 00:38:01,460
coffee was like paler than my skin.

816
00:38:01,460 --> 00:38:03,700
It looked like it was just milk.

817
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:12,180
Dear listener, I put Olivia's hand next to my iPad screen and that's pretty bad.

818
00:38:12,180 --> 00:38:14,100
Yeah, it is pretty bad.

819
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:17,020
I'm like, it's probably closer to your iPad screen, but seriously-

820
00:38:17,020 --> 00:38:18,020
Oh, that's not good.

821
00:38:18,020 --> 00:38:22,340
I was so tired and I needed coffee so badly and I couldn't even finish it because it was

822
00:38:22,340 --> 00:38:23,340
so gross.

823
00:38:23,340 --> 00:38:24,340
That's not good.

824
00:38:24,340 --> 00:38:25,340
But anyway-

825
00:38:25,340 --> 00:38:27,340
It was pretty awful.

826
00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:28,340
Yeah.

827
00:38:28,340 --> 00:38:30,300
That was the disembodied voice.

828
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:33,660
I'm like, Alabama, you know what you did.

829
00:38:33,660 --> 00:38:36,980
Alabama's like, if that's all you think I've done, that's it.

830
00:38:36,980 --> 00:38:39,420
Sorry, Alabama listeners.

831
00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:44,620
I actually feel like there's a lot of the South that I will absolutely love and I actually

832
00:38:44,620 --> 00:38:45,620
can't wait.

833
00:38:45,620 --> 00:38:46,620
I know.

834
00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:49,420
I loved everyone we met in Alabama.

835
00:38:49,420 --> 00:38:50,900
They were super nice.

836
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:52,020
I just didn't like Dunkin.

837
00:38:52,020 --> 00:38:53,020
But I just don't like Dunkin.

838
00:38:53,020 --> 00:38:55,180
I think I've been to Dunkin once.

839
00:38:55,180 --> 00:39:00,180
We actually live in a place that doesn't really have one anywhere near us.

840
00:39:00,180 --> 00:39:03,580
We couldn't even just drive to one.

841
00:39:03,580 --> 00:39:06,500
I don't think I even got Dunkin when I went to New York.

842
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:09,820
I didn't either because we are trained to not get it.

843
00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:14,220
I was like, I want to try the local coffee shop.

844
00:39:14,220 --> 00:39:15,220
Real quick-

845
00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:16,220
But going back to an oil rig, I'm really sorry.

846
00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:17,220
That's okay.

847
00:39:17,220 --> 00:39:23,060
I just wanted to, before I close this out, I wanted to mention the victims of the accident.

848
00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:26,860
The tiniest victims, the tiniest turtles.

849
00:39:26,860 --> 00:39:27,860
What if you named all of them?

850
00:39:27,860 --> 00:39:32,660
What if you just had a name for 500,000 birds and you're like, all right, starting with

851
00:39:32,660 --> 00:39:37,300
A, there's Albert, Alan, Albert again?

852
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:38,300
Albert.

853
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:40,300
Oh my gosh.

854
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:41,300
No.

855
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:43,300
The human victims.

856
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:45,180
The human victims.

857
00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:47,060
They're actually the most important, but still.

858
00:39:47,060 --> 00:39:48,060
They are.

859
00:39:48,060 --> 00:39:49,620
But are they the cutest victims?

860
00:39:49,620 --> 00:39:50,620
I don't know.

861
00:39:50,620 --> 00:39:51,620
I don't know.

862
00:39:51,620 --> 00:39:53,620
I haven't seen them.

863
00:39:53,620 --> 00:39:54,620
No.

864
00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:57,140
But it is so sad.

865
00:39:57,140 --> 00:39:59,420
The youngest victim was 22 years old.

866
00:39:59,420 --> 00:40:01,060
Oh no, that's too sad.

867
00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:02,060
I know.

868
00:40:02,060 --> 00:40:06,540
He was probably so happy to have that job because he's like, I'm 22 and I'm living my

869
00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:07,540
best life.

870
00:40:07,540 --> 00:40:10,700
I mean, honestly, they were all pretty young.

871
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:12,180
The oldest was 56.

872
00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:13,500
It's such hard work, right?

873
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:14,660
You have to be pretty strong.

874
00:40:14,660 --> 00:40:18,220
You have to be in good shape.

875
00:40:18,220 --> 00:40:25,620
So the victims are Jason Anderson, Donald Clark, Stephen Ray Curtis, Gordon Jones, Roy

876
00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:34,060
Wyatt Kemp, Carl Kleppinger Jr., Keith Blair Manuel, Dewey Rivette, Shane Roshto, Adam

877
00:40:34,060 --> 00:40:37,500
Wise, and Aaron Dale Burkean.

878
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:41,380
And I just feel so sorry for them and their families.

879
00:40:41,380 --> 00:40:42,380
Me too.

880
00:40:42,380 --> 00:40:45,020
It's so preventable.

881
00:40:45,020 --> 00:40:48,220
So many safety checks that were not done.

882
00:40:48,220 --> 00:40:49,220
I know.

883
00:40:49,220 --> 00:40:50,220
Yeah.

884
00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:52,460
Anyway, that is Deepwater Horizon.

885
00:40:52,460 --> 00:40:54,120
Oh, that was heavy.

886
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,120
Thank you for doing that though.

887
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,300
I've always wondered what it was.

888
00:40:57,300 --> 00:40:59,580
I actually did not know what it was about.

889
00:40:59,580 --> 00:41:08,500
Yeah, I truly like, I just remember the trailers for the movie with Marky Mark.

890
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:17,300
I was so far away mentally from what it could even be that I actually had no idea that it

891
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:20,460
was even a real life event.

892
00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:23,260
I thought it could have been sci-fi.

893
00:41:23,260 --> 00:41:24,260
It could have been anything.

894
00:41:24,260 --> 00:41:28,100
I thought it was either a shark, maybe an abyss type thing.

895
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:30,100
Have you seen Abyss?

896
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:31,700
I think so.

897
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:33,660
That is a James Cameron movie.

898
00:41:33,660 --> 00:41:34,660
That's amazing.

899
00:41:34,660 --> 00:41:35,660
That's right.

900
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:36,660
Yeah.

901
00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:44,500
I sort of remember the story when it first broke, but it was in 2010.

902
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:46,660
So I was in high school.

903
00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:53,880
I wasn't super aware of current events as much.

904
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,060
I was not in high school.

905
00:41:55,060 --> 00:42:03,020
I was in my 20s, but I don't remember anything from a certain time.

906
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:06,980
I think 2010 was not a great year mentally.

907
00:42:06,980 --> 00:42:07,980
Yeah.

908
00:42:07,980 --> 00:42:09,780
I mean, it wasn't for me either.

909
00:42:09,780 --> 00:42:15,180
I probably wasn't going to... I probably wasn't paying attention to sad news on purpose

910
00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:16,820
because I couldn't handle it.

911
00:42:16,820 --> 00:42:20,300
I'm like, please stop showing me pictures of the sad birds.

912
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:21,300
Right.

913
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:22,300
I'm like, now I'm doing much better.

914
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:24,100
Now it's like, all right, I'll handle it.

915
00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:27,080
Now I'm like, let me do a report on it.

916
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,380
Not only can I handle it, let me tell you about it.

917
00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:31,380
Yeah.

918
00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:35,580
This is just a testament to many years of therapy.

919
00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:36,860
It works everyone.

920
00:42:36,860 --> 00:42:37,860
It works.

921
00:42:37,860 --> 00:42:47,660
I don't have many years of therapy, but I am in therapy and I've gotten better at compartmentalizing,

922
00:42:47,660 --> 00:42:48,900
whether that's good or bad.

923
00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:49,900
Yeah, we don't know.

924
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:50,900
We don't know.

925
00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:51,900
Hey, if it's good for you.

926
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:52,900
It's true.

927
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:54,940
You keep doing... You keep doing, you girl.

928
00:42:54,940 --> 00:42:56,060
If it keeps you sane.

929
00:42:56,060 --> 00:42:59,940
If it keeps you Jessica Fletcher-ing, you go down that road.

930
00:42:59,940 --> 00:43:02,340
I... That's all I want.

931
00:43:02,340 --> 00:43:03,340
Yeah.

932
00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:07,660
I'm like, I'm not anywhere near her age, but I want to be Jessica Fletcher.

933
00:43:07,660 --> 00:43:08,660
Oh, me too.

934
00:43:08,660 --> 00:43:15,060
No, actually, I remember telling two of the people I live with, two of my roommates, because

935
00:43:15,060 --> 00:43:18,980
I started watching it on my own, choosing that over anything else.

936
00:43:18,980 --> 00:43:21,620
I was like, this is what I'm going to watch.

937
00:43:21,620 --> 00:43:26,380
I remember watching the very first episode and I was like, oh, this is it.

938
00:43:26,380 --> 00:43:28,020
This is what I want it to be.

939
00:43:28,020 --> 00:43:29,020
This is it.

940
00:43:29,020 --> 00:43:30,540
Yeah.

941
00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:37,300
I want to be a widowed 50 something living in Maine and solving murders.

942
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:39,420
I don't want to be widowed.

943
00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:40,420
No.

944
00:43:40,420 --> 00:43:42,820
But everything else about Jessica Fletcher, I want to be that.

945
00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:43,820
Right.

946
00:43:43,820 --> 00:43:45,300
I'm not even married, but I'm like, but I can be widowed.

947
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:46,300
You don't know.

948
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:53,900
You're like, I am saying I'm widowed even though I am not married.

949
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:54,900
Yeah.

950
00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:56,820
We don't want you to be widowed because-

951
00:43:56,820 --> 00:43:58,820
You're like, I'm just going to add an air of mystery.

952
00:43:58,820 --> 00:43:59,820
Yeah.

953
00:43:59,820 --> 00:44:00,820
Who knows?

954
00:44:00,820 --> 00:44:01,820
Oh, hi baby.

955
00:44:01,820 --> 00:44:06,380
We have a podcast kitty joining us.

956
00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:07,380
Okay.

957
00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:08,380
Should we take a little breaky break?

958
00:44:08,380 --> 00:44:09,380
That sounds good.

959
00:44:09,380 --> 00:44:17,780
A breaky break from Marky Mark and then we'll come right back to what horrors remain for

960
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:19,900
the rest of this podcast.

961
00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:22,900
Sounds good.

962
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:24,940
Okay.

963
00:44:24,940 --> 00:44:32,820
So Olivia, I am going to tell you a story about a con man.

964
00:44:32,820 --> 00:44:36,900
There is a little bit of murder involved.

965
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:44,260
Not good, but this is primarily a con man story.

966
00:44:44,260 --> 00:44:50,780
His name is not Clark Rockefeller, but that's what we're going to start with and what we

967
00:44:50,780 --> 00:44:51,780
know about him.

968
00:44:51,780 --> 00:44:52,780
I'm so excited.

969
00:44:52,780 --> 00:44:53,780
Yeah.

970
00:44:53,780 --> 00:44:54,780
So here we go.

971
00:44:54,780 --> 00:45:03,060
So around 1995, Sandra Boss was getting her MBA in Harvard or at Harvard.

972
00:45:03,060 --> 00:45:05,780
I don't know if the correct way of, are you inside Harvard?

973
00:45:05,780 --> 00:45:06,780
You're at Harvard.

974
00:45:06,780 --> 00:45:07,780
You're around Harvard.

975
00:45:07,780 --> 00:45:08,780
Yeah.

976
00:45:08,780 --> 00:45:15,020
And her sister introduced her to a man named Clark Rockefeller, his full name being James

977
00:45:15,020 --> 00:45:18,020
Frederick Mills Clark Rockefeller.

978
00:45:18,020 --> 00:45:23,820
I believe the selling point is when you have a hundred names, the more names you have,

979
00:45:23,820 --> 00:45:28,620
the more money you have, the fancier you are.

980
00:45:28,620 --> 00:45:35,580
So he was introduced as a descendant of the famous business family and he certainly looked

981
00:45:35,580 --> 00:45:37,100
the part.

982
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:39,780
He wore custom made designer clothing.

983
00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:46,080
He collected expensive art and he had an upscale New York apartment.

984
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:55,160
So Sandra was instantly charmed by him and the two married shortly thereafter in 1996.

985
00:45:55,160 --> 00:46:00,340
So Sandra and Clark spent the next 11 years together.

986
00:46:00,340 --> 00:46:07,820
They enjoyed a stable life thanks in large part to Sandra's job as a consultant.

987
00:46:07,820 --> 00:46:10,860
She was quite the savvy business woman.

988
00:46:10,860 --> 00:46:17,900
It was said that her salary at the time in 1996 was 2 million a year.

989
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:18,900
Right.

990
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:25,340
And in addition to that, she had her own personal wealth just from coming from a wealthy family.

991
00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:26,340
Wow.

992
00:46:26,340 --> 00:46:27,540
Right.

993
00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:35,380
But Sandra said over time her husband became emotionally abusive.

994
00:46:35,380 --> 00:46:40,900
And despite Sandra being the main source of household income, he was in complete control

995
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:45,740
of the family's finances and every aspect of her day to day life.

996
00:46:45,740 --> 00:46:48,660
Yeah, not good.

997
00:46:48,660 --> 00:46:52,020
Despite this in 2001, the couple have a daughter.

998
00:46:52,020 --> 00:46:53,020
Her name is Ray.

999
00:46:53,020 --> 00:46:54,380
Oh, so cute.

1000
00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:55,380
So cute.

1001
00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:56,380
It's R E I G H.

1002
00:46:56,380 --> 00:46:58,460
Oh, yeah.

1003
00:46:58,460 --> 00:47:04,860
Ray Storo Mills Rockefeller, lovingly referred to as Snooks.

1004
00:47:04,860 --> 00:47:08,780
Oh, which is really cute.

1005
00:47:08,780 --> 00:47:14,100
So Clark lives with his wife and daughter in Cornish, New Hampshire.

1006
00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:21,520
And this is where he used his family ties to the Rockefeller family to bolster his reputation.

1007
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:26,820
He would tell people he was a Yale graduate and that he owned a business in Canada.

1008
00:47:26,820 --> 00:47:29,780
I feel like that's vague enough for people to not ask.

1009
00:47:29,780 --> 00:47:33,580
It could be any business in Canada, but you just say that and it's good enough.

1010
00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:34,580
I don't know.

1011
00:47:34,580 --> 00:47:39,300
Personally, me, if someone mentions business, my mind just immediately glazes over.

1012
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:41,340
So I'm like, yeah, no follow up questions.

1013
00:47:41,340 --> 00:47:42,340
Right.

1014
00:47:42,340 --> 00:47:45,180
Kind of like any kind of law questions.

1015
00:47:45,180 --> 00:47:46,180
We're like, what?

1016
00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:47,180
Yeah.

1017
00:47:47,180 --> 00:47:48,180
Bird acts?

1018
00:47:48,180 --> 00:47:49,180
I don't know.

1019
00:47:49,180 --> 00:47:52,900
I definitely am not in the same circles he's trying to be.

1020
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:56,860
No, not only are our circles different.

1021
00:47:56,860 --> 00:47:59,340
My brain doesn't even like finance business.

1022
00:47:59,340 --> 00:48:02,580
Hey, good for you, friend.

1023
00:48:02,580 --> 00:48:08,060
I'm like, I just got a dollar off coupon to not dunk in donuts.

1024
00:48:08,060 --> 00:48:10,460
I'll tell you that much.

1025
00:48:10,460 --> 00:48:11,460
All right.

1026
00:48:11,460 --> 00:48:21,740
Clark used his family name to get a lot of, I guess, free stuff around town or just to

1027
00:48:21,740 --> 00:48:23,460
get his name out there.

1028
00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:30,140
He was a member of many elite clubs, including, I looked up one, Boston's Algonquin Club.

1029
00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:37,220
It's also shortened to the Quinn Club, is a members only club that used to be so elite.

1030
00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:41,620
And now since, you know, times have changed, they have opened it to literally anyone can

1031
00:48:41,620 --> 00:48:44,820
join, but it was for rich white men for the longest time.

1032
00:48:44,820 --> 00:48:47,300
But also they're like, yeah, it's open to everyone.

1033
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:48,300
Wink.

1034
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:49,300
Wink.

1035
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:50,300
I know.

1036
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:53,300
But they're like, but I'm sorry you've been denied.

1037
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:57,780
And it was said that for a while he was even a club director at the Algonquin Club.

1038
00:48:57,780 --> 00:48:59,540
I wonder what that would entail.

1039
00:48:59,540 --> 00:49:00,540
I don't know.

1040
00:49:00,540 --> 00:49:01,540
Throwing a lot of parties.

1041
00:49:01,540 --> 00:49:02,540
I don't know.

1042
00:49:02,540 --> 00:49:03,540
Yeah.

1043
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:06,300
Makes you wonder.

1044
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:10,620
Maybe buying a lot of ice.

1045
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:17,300
So despite having a daughter, Clark and Sandra's marriage really began to fall apart.

1046
00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:21,260
And it was largely due to his antics.

1047
00:49:21,260 --> 00:49:26,620
In 2006, Sandra hired a private investigator and she discovered that Clark was not who

1048
00:49:26,620 --> 00:49:27,820
he claimed to be.

1049
00:49:27,820 --> 00:49:28,820
What a surprise.

1050
00:49:28,820 --> 00:49:29,820
Shock.

1051
00:49:29,820 --> 00:49:30,820
Shocker.

1052
00:49:30,820 --> 00:49:35,360
Although she did not learn his real name, she was able to at least finally serve him

1053
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:40,300
with divorce papers because she accused him of lying about his relation to the Rockefeller

1054
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:41,300
family.

1055
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:47,180
In fact, some members of the family came forward to deny any relation to Clark.

1056
00:49:47,180 --> 00:49:48,620
They're like, I don't know her.

1057
00:49:48,620 --> 00:49:49,620
I know.

1058
00:49:49,620 --> 00:49:51,580
I'm like, how embarrassing.

1059
00:49:51,580 --> 00:50:00,200
She would later testify at their divorce trial that he agreed to give her sole custody, which

1060
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:08,220
included three supervised visits a year, but he said it could only happen if he was given

1061
00:50:08,220 --> 00:50:15,780
an $800,000 settlement, two cars, the engagement ring he gave her, and a dress that he gave

1062
00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:16,900
her.

1063
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:17,900
Just one dress.

1064
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:18,900
The audacity.

1065
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:24,340
But you know, she has enough money and she's probably like, okay, fine, please leave.

1066
00:50:24,340 --> 00:50:26,420
So it's also just like so annoying though.

1067
00:50:26,420 --> 00:50:28,700
You're like, give me the ring back.

1068
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:31,340
And she's like, well, I was going to throw it into the river.

1069
00:50:31,340 --> 00:50:34,480
So you saved me a step.

1070
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,100
So after the divorce, she legally changed her daughter's name and the two moved to London

1071
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:41,700
together probably just to be like, goodbye.

1072
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:42,700
We're leaving forever.

1073
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:44,500
That actually does sound nice.

1074
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:46,780
I too would like to move to London.

1075
00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:47,780
Yeah.

1076
00:50:47,780 --> 00:50:55,040
In 2008, Clark was with his daughter during one of the three yearly visits and his ex-wife

1077
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,620
was waiting in a Boston hotel room nearby.

1078
00:50:58,620 --> 00:51:03,740
And while Clark and his daughter and a social worker were walking through the Boston Common,

1079
00:51:03,740 --> 00:51:10,420
he suddenly pushed down the social worker, accompanying them, grabbed his daughter and

1080
00:51:10,420 --> 00:51:15,820
threw her into a waiting SUV, subsequently kidnapping his daughter.

1081
00:51:15,820 --> 00:51:17,300
Yes.

1082
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:22,820
As investigators attempted to track down Clark Rockefeller, they found more questions than

1083
00:51:22,820 --> 00:51:24,460
answers.

1084
00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:28,740
Not only did he not have a social security number, he did not have a driver's license

1085
00:51:28,740 --> 00:51:31,420
or a credit card in his own name.

1086
00:51:31,420 --> 00:51:36,800
When his picture was shown on the news asking for leads, several callers gave at least four

1087
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,220
different identities to go with the man shown on screen.

1088
00:51:40,220 --> 00:51:42,940
So investigators were truly confused.

1089
00:51:42,940 --> 00:51:49,060
Finally, a friend came forward with what would be the most crucial evidence.

1090
00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:53,080
Clark Rockefeller had been at this man's house the night before and the glass of wine he

1091
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,020
had had had not been washed.

1092
00:51:56,020 --> 00:52:03,920
So they were able to pull prints off the glass and they finally got a match to one Christian

1093
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:10,520
Karl Gerhard Streiter, a German immigrant who had come to the United States 30 years

1094
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:11,520
earlier.

1095
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:12,520
Dun dun dun.

1096
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,460
That is a dun dun dun if there's ever one.

1097
00:52:15,460 --> 00:52:16,460
All right.

1098
00:52:16,460 --> 00:52:18,580
So who is Christian?

1099
00:52:18,580 --> 00:52:20,300
Christian Gerhard Streiter.

1100
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:25,860
He was born in 1961 in West Germany and was raised in a middle class family.

1101
00:52:25,860 --> 00:52:30,180
He was intelligent, didn't have a whole lot of friends, and he was often dreaming of going

1102
00:52:30,180 --> 00:52:36,260
off and becoming rich and famous, which I actually feel like is probably a lot of us.

1103
00:52:36,260 --> 00:52:41,960
And as an awkward teenager, he was obsessed with making it big in America.

1104
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:47,340
When he was just 17, he met an American couple who asked for directions and he immediately

1105
00:52:47,340 --> 00:52:51,900
got their names, which he used later on papers when coming into the U.S. saying they were

1106
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:54,100
the ones who invited him to the United States.

1107
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:55,500
Oh my gosh.

1108
00:52:55,500 --> 00:53:01,740
I feel like he's like Michael Scott when someone is like, oh, you should come over sometime.

1109
00:53:01,740 --> 00:53:03,660
And then he's like, I'm coming over right now.

1110
00:53:03,660 --> 00:53:08,500
No, he this is exactly it because he also met a young man backpacking through Europe

1111
00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:13,740
who said politely, I'm sure if you're ever in Connecticut, sometimes stop by and maybe

1112
00:53:13,740 --> 00:53:15,820
you can spend the night with us.

1113
00:53:15,820 --> 00:53:21,460
Then the Michael Scott of Germany, a few weeks later, arrived at the house and ended up staying

1114
00:53:21,460 --> 00:53:22,460
there for months.

1115
00:53:22,460 --> 00:53:25,940
No, the worst red flags.

1116
00:53:25,940 --> 00:53:28,980
This is why you shouldn't say things you don't.

1117
00:53:28,980 --> 00:53:29,980
Yeah.

1118
00:53:29,980 --> 00:53:30,980
And you know what?

1119
00:53:30,980 --> 00:53:34,860
Most polite company, they get that because you tell people that and usually, I mean,

1120
00:53:34,860 --> 00:53:38,660
you do mean it, but you don't think someone's going to actually do it.

1121
00:53:38,660 --> 00:53:39,660
And you kind of hope they do.

1122
00:53:39,660 --> 00:53:42,860
But you're also kind of like, well, you know, we'll see.

1123
00:53:42,860 --> 00:53:44,420
This is not the person you want to come.

1124
00:53:44,420 --> 00:53:46,780
And but they end up doing it.

1125
00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:49,700
Maybe I mean, maybe originally they're like, oh, this is a nice guy.

1126
00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:52,180
And they're like, oh, my gosh, never mind.

1127
00:53:52,180 --> 00:53:55,740
You're walking away and they're like, I got weird vibes.

1128
00:53:55,740 --> 00:53:57,180
Yeah.

1129
00:53:57,180 --> 00:54:04,340
So Christian now was saying he was a German exchange student and that he needed a place

1130
00:54:04,340 --> 00:54:10,540
to stay because he was going to be going to high school in America.

1131
00:54:10,540 --> 00:54:17,220
And while he was there, he became so engrossed and absorbed in this new country he was living

1132
00:54:17,220 --> 00:54:21,980
in that he completely it's like he just kind of changed his persona.

1133
00:54:21,980 --> 00:54:24,100
He lost his accent.

1134
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:26,780
He's now like I am now a new person.

1135
00:54:26,780 --> 00:54:33,980
He became obsessed with Gilligan's Island and he learned to talk like Thurston Howell,

1136
00:54:33,980 --> 00:54:35,500
the third.

1137
00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:39,260
And I don't know if you're familiar with Gilligan's Island.

1138
00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:42,140
We were not around for it, but we've seen reruns.

1139
00:54:42,140 --> 00:54:44,420
And it's adorable.

1140
00:54:44,420 --> 00:54:50,020
I had to Google what Thurston sounds like, and I do recognize the voice, but it's very

1141
00:54:50,020 --> 00:54:54,820
much like this kind of like wrenching like I'm from Germany.

1142
00:54:54,820 --> 00:54:57,460
Nope, that sounds too British, but you know what I'm talking about.

1143
00:54:57,460 --> 00:54:58,460
Yeah.

1144
00:54:58,460 --> 00:55:00,340
It's like kind of that old Continental.

1145
00:55:00,340 --> 00:55:01,340
Yeah.

1146
00:55:01,340 --> 00:55:02,340
Very.

1147
00:55:02,340 --> 00:55:07,020
I was doing it earlier and I think it's because now I'm like microphone shy and it's going

1148
00:55:07,020 --> 00:55:11,260
to go Thurston to like Sean Connery for some reason.

1149
00:55:11,260 --> 00:55:14,060
It was kind of like Sean Connery.

1150
00:55:14,060 --> 00:55:15,940
I'm like, I'm sorry.

1151
00:55:15,940 --> 00:55:17,940
Suddenly it's SNL celebrity jeopardy.

1152
00:55:17,940 --> 00:55:20,100
Okay, but you get the idea.

1153
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:22,100
It's just very over the top.

1154
00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:23,100
It's rich.

1155
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:27,540
I'm like Thurston is supposed to be like in Gilligan's Island world.

1156
00:55:27,540 --> 00:55:30,020
He's like one of the richest men in the world.

1157
00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:32,020
And he just sounds like old money.

1158
00:55:32,020 --> 00:55:38,700
And it's like Christopher Christian or whatever Clark, he's like, this is how I need to sound.

1159
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:40,140
Yeah, that's my voice now.

1160
00:55:40,140 --> 00:55:45,540
He's like the original like person trying to pretend to be old money.

1161
00:55:45,540 --> 00:55:48,620
Yes, like that's the trend now.

1162
00:55:48,620 --> 00:55:51,500
But also Jay Gatsby.

1163
00:55:51,500 --> 00:55:56,460
Like this guy was living his Fitzgerald life, but in a really bad way.

1164
00:55:56,460 --> 00:55:59,460
He wasn't as good at it.

1165
00:55:59,460 --> 00:56:01,080
No, no.

1166
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:07,300
So eventually Christian decided to become an actor naturally because that's what you

1167
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:08,300
do.

1168
00:56:08,300 --> 00:56:09,700
And he headed out west to LA.

1169
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:12,220
He made it as far as Wisconsin.

1170
00:56:12,220 --> 00:56:14,780
And while there he realized he needed to get a green card.

1171
00:56:14,780 --> 00:56:19,820
Otherwise he was going to quickly get escorted out of the country.

1172
00:56:19,820 --> 00:56:24,280
He found a woman willing to marry him and he told her that he would be forced to go

1173
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,100
back to Germany to serve in the cold war.

1174
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:36,020
Which were like, poor girl, she doesn't realize that that's like a figurative war.

1175
00:56:36,020 --> 00:56:38,460
But he was like, oh, she believed me.

1176
00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:39,460
Right.

1177
00:56:39,460 --> 00:56:41,380
So they did get married.

1178
00:56:41,380 --> 00:56:44,460
He left the day after he got married to go to California.

1179
00:56:44,460 --> 00:56:47,820
Oh my gosh, what a jerk.

1180
00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:51,540
And I looked it up and this woman did not file for divorce until 1992.

1181
00:56:51,540 --> 00:56:53,540
They got married in like 1985.

1182
00:56:53,540 --> 00:56:55,140
Oh my gosh.

1183
00:56:55,140 --> 00:56:57,980
I don't know, like what if she actually loved him?

1184
00:56:57,980 --> 00:56:59,260
Which would be sad.

1185
00:56:59,260 --> 00:57:00,620
That would be sad.

1186
00:57:00,620 --> 00:57:05,420
I don't know if she would if you met someone that soon, but it's like, maybe she was just

1187
00:57:05,420 --> 00:57:06,420
like, I don't know.

1188
00:57:06,420 --> 00:57:09,540
I feel like I can procrastinate things a lot.

1189
00:57:09,540 --> 00:57:10,900
Maybe she's a procrastinator.

1190
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:13,180
She kept being like, what was I supposed to do today?

1191
00:57:13,180 --> 00:57:14,180
Oh yeah.

1192
00:57:14,180 --> 00:57:16,300
File for divorce from that crazy guy.

1193
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:18,020
She's like, well, you know, I got stuff to do.

1194
00:57:18,020 --> 00:57:20,020
I got to get to the post office.

1195
00:57:20,020 --> 00:57:21,620
Girl, I feel you.

1196
00:57:21,620 --> 00:57:25,460
I will also put stuff off.

1197
00:57:25,460 --> 00:57:26,460
Let's see.

1198
00:57:26,460 --> 00:57:27,900
So anyway, moving on.

1199
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:35,140
So Christian moves to LA with his new green card and he settles in the suburb of San

1200
00:57:35,140 --> 00:57:42,540
Marino and San Marino is, I mean, there's many suburbs of LA, but this is one of the

1201
00:57:42,540 --> 00:57:49,100
wealthiest, like Beverly Hills wealthy.

1202
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:51,100
And it's like, he knew how to pick them.

1203
00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:56,700
I mean, cause like not only is Connecticut one of the wealthiest states, like this guy

1204
00:57:56,700 --> 00:58:03,660
with his Thurston Howell confidence, he's just moving on up in the world.

1205
00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:09,900
When he arrives, he has changed his name to Christopher Mountbatten Chichester.

1206
00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:12,060
Oh, that's right.

1207
00:58:12,060 --> 00:58:19,500
Chichester, which he pronounces Chi-chesta because you know, now he's British.

1208
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:26,180
He claims to be Lord Mountbatten's nephew, which if you know Lord Mountbatten, that is

1209
00:58:26,180 --> 00:58:28,900
William and Harry's grandfather.

1210
00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:32,820
So he's royalty, but you know, just distant enough that you're not going to ask questions

1211
00:58:32,820 --> 00:58:35,180
because you're like, Oh, you're not on the Windsor side.

1212
00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:36,180
Who cares?

1213
00:58:36,180 --> 00:58:37,180
Yeah.

1214
00:58:37,180 --> 00:58:40,780
But you're, I mean, you're going to believe him because he's white and he has money supposedly.

1215
00:58:40,780 --> 00:58:45,500
And you're like, why would someone know that weird random part of the family?

1216
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:46,500
Right.

1217
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:47,500
And this is the eighties.

1218
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:48,500
No one's looking this up.

1219
00:58:48,500 --> 00:58:52,740
You're like, all right, I believe you.

1220
00:58:52,740 --> 00:59:00,460
So many people in the area are instantly intrigued because I mean, there's now an eccentric royal

1221
00:59:00,460 --> 00:59:02,220
living amongst them.

1222
00:59:02,220 --> 00:59:04,300
This opens the door for him.

1223
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:09,460
And so he now looks down to the part, you have money, you're in.

1224
00:59:09,460 --> 00:59:15,180
And so he moves into a guest house of a woman named Ruth Deedee Sohus.

1225
00:59:15,180 --> 00:59:17,700
But here is the clincher.

1226
00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:25,500
Soon after Christopher slash Christian moves into Deedee's home, Deedee's son, John and

1227
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:29,340
John's wife, Linda disappear forever.

1228
00:59:29,340 --> 00:59:30,340
Yeah.

1229
00:59:30,340 --> 00:59:31,380
Yeah.

1230
00:59:31,380 --> 00:59:33,600
So let's talk about John and Linda.

1231
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,700
So they were by all accounts considered adorable.

1232
00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:39,420
They were married in 1983.

1233
00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:45,420
So by the time they meet Christopher, they're still fairly newlyweds.

1234
00:59:45,420 --> 00:59:52,820
John was a sci fi nerd and tech geek and Linda was six feet tall, outgoing and a redhead.

1235
00:59:52,820 --> 00:59:54,340
Oh, yeah.

1236
00:59:54,340 --> 00:59:55,940
And she was a burgeoning artist.

1237
00:59:55,940 --> 01:00:00,700
And by all accounts, most people would peg them as, you know, very much opposite to track.

1238
01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:04,620
But they just they felt like they were soulmates and they loved cats.

1239
01:00:04,620 --> 01:00:05,620
They had six cats.

1240
01:00:05,620 --> 01:00:06,620
Oh my gosh.

1241
01:00:06,620 --> 01:00:08,540
They sound like they're adorable.

1242
01:00:08,540 --> 01:00:09,540
Good people.

1243
01:00:09,540 --> 01:00:12,580
Yeah, like just good people.

1244
01:00:12,580 --> 01:00:14,060
But they lived with Deedee.

1245
01:00:14,060 --> 01:00:15,940
They didn't love this because they were married.

1246
01:00:15,940 --> 01:00:17,700
They wanted to be independent.

1247
01:00:17,700 --> 01:00:22,940
Deedee, even though she did love her son, she could be problematic as she was often

1248
01:00:22,940 --> 01:00:26,040
drunk and unpredictable.

1249
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,460
But they couldn't live in the guest house because a paying renter was there.

1250
01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:33,500
And this was Christopher.

1251
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:38,260
So John and Linda tried to focus on their careers and save money to move out of the

1252
01:00:38,260 --> 01:00:39,680
home.

1253
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:44,740
And one day they bought a new truck and they were going to use this truck to road trip

1254
01:00:44,740 --> 01:00:49,260
to a sci fi convention with a friend, their friend Sue.

1255
01:00:49,260 --> 01:00:56,700
However, Linda called Sue shortly after making their plans to let them know that the plans

1256
01:00:56,700 --> 01:01:02,100
have changed and they were going to New York because John suddenly had an interview for

1257
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:09,420
a high profile but secret government job, which I mean, that sounds very suspicious.

1258
01:01:09,420 --> 01:01:11,580
But Linda promised they would be back in two weeks.

1259
01:01:11,580 --> 01:01:13,900
I just realized I did not do my sources.

1260
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:16,220
That was like, I was like, don't forget.

1261
01:01:16,220 --> 01:01:17,220
I'll remind you then.

1262
01:01:17,220 --> 01:01:18,700
I will do it at the end.

1263
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:20,540
Okay, dear listener.

1264
01:01:20,540 --> 01:01:21,540
Okay.

1265
01:01:21,540 --> 01:01:26,020
So despite this, Sue never heard from Linda again.

1266
01:01:26,020 --> 01:01:27,580
Yeah.

1267
01:01:27,580 --> 01:01:33,140
Prior to the trip, Linda boarded the six cats in a local kennel and paid in advance for

1268
01:01:33,140 --> 01:01:35,500
two weeks.

1269
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:42,860
So I believe it was like maybe six to eight weeks of stay.

1270
01:01:42,860 --> 01:01:48,500
But by the end of eight weeks, the kennel owner had not heard from Linda.

1271
01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:51,340
So they tracked down Linda's sister, Kathy.

1272
01:01:51,340 --> 01:01:54,820
And Kathy was like, my sister would never forget her cats.

1273
01:01:54,820 --> 01:01:56,620
Like this is impossible.

1274
01:01:56,620 --> 01:01:59,700
So Kathy calls Dee Dee several times.

1275
01:01:59,700 --> 01:02:06,380
Every time she talks to Dee Dee, Dee Dee is drunk and tells Kathy that John and Linda

1276
01:02:06,380 --> 01:02:07,540
are not in New York.

1277
01:02:07,540 --> 01:02:12,580
They're in Paris, France on a secret mission.

1278
01:02:12,580 --> 01:02:18,840
And Dee Dee, not winning mother of the year, also told the police the same thing.

1279
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:22,520
She refused to identify who told her this too.

1280
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,900
She insists they're in Europe and that there's nothing wrong.

1281
01:02:25,900 --> 01:02:27,700
And so there's no evidence of foul play.

1282
01:02:27,700 --> 01:02:31,180
The police are powerless to investigate further.

1283
01:02:31,180 --> 01:02:39,300
Finally, a full three months after John and Linda left for quote unquote New York, Sue

1284
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:47,820
receives a postcard from France that says, Dear Sue, kinda missed New York.

1285
01:02:47,820 --> 01:02:48,900
Oops.

1286
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:53,300
But this can be lived with John and Linda.

1287
01:02:53,300 --> 01:02:54,300
The most impersonal.

1288
01:02:54,300 --> 01:02:57,540
I mean, postcards are already like, there's nothing you can write.

1289
01:02:57,540 --> 01:03:01,140
And it's like, hey, goodbye.

1290
01:03:01,140 --> 01:03:04,140
There's nothing to it.

1291
01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:11,740
Seriously, even like my most reserved friends would not write a weird postcard like that.

1292
01:03:11,740 --> 01:03:12,740
No.

1293
01:03:12,740 --> 01:03:13,820
There's no point in sending that.

1294
01:03:13,820 --> 01:03:15,700
There's no emotion in this.

1295
01:03:15,700 --> 01:03:16,700
Clearly.

1296
01:03:16,700 --> 01:03:19,020
And then Sue gets it and she's like, this is not Linda.

1297
01:03:19,020 --> 01:03:20,020
No duh.

1298
01:03:20,020 --> 01:03:21,020
No, yeah, exactly.

1299
01:03:21,020 --> 01:03:29,420
It might as well have said, Dear Sue, this is not Linda signed John and Linda.

1300
01:03:29,420 --> 01:03:36,780
So three months after refusing to help the police, Dee Dee finally had a change of heart.

1301
01:03:36,780 --> 01:03:40,620
She too filed a missing persons report on John and Linda.

1302
01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:46,820
And then she revealed the source of who's telling her this about them being in Europe.

1303
01:03:46,820 --> 01:03:47,820
Guess what?

1304
01:03:47,820 --> 01:03:54,620
She was the tenant of her guest house, a man who was named Christopher Chichester or Chi

1305
01:03:54,620 --> 01:03:55,620
Chesta.

1306
01:03:55,620 --> 01:03:56,620
Chichester.

1307
01:03:56,620 --> 01:03:59,420
Chichesta.

1308
01:03:59,420 --> 01:04:02,980
But he just moved out and he left no forwarding address.

1309
01:04:02,980 --> 01:04:03,980
He lived there for two years.

1310
01:04:03,980 --> 01:04:10,800
As soon as she squealed on him, he was out.

1311
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:16,520
She also reported that her son's pickup truck, the new one that he bought was now missing

1312
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:21,140
and she had no idea how it disappeared.

1313
01:04:21,140 --> 01:04:24,520
But there was still no proof that a crime had had been committed.

1314
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,900
So the investigation stalled again.

1315
01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:35,100
Soon after filing her missing persons report, after Christopher left town, Dee Dee sold

1316
01:04:35,100 --> 01:04:42,540
her house and moved to a trailer park as almost all of her money had been mysteriously gone

1317
01:04:42,540 --> 01:04:43,540
away.

1318
01:04:43,540 --> 01:04:44,540
Poor Dee Dee.

1319
01:04:44,540 --> 01:04:45,540
Exactly.

1320
01:04:45,540 --> 01:04:46,540
She had been Chichestered.

1321
01:04:46,540 --> 01:04:47,540
Yeah.

1322
01:04:47,540 --> 01:04:53,140
That's probably, I mean, she's old and, you know, it was like drunk most of the time.

1323
01:04:53,140 --> 01:04:54,140
Yeah.

1324
01:04:54,140 --> 01:04:55,140
Yeah, exactly.

1325
01:04:55,140 --> 01:04:57,660
She was probably pretty easy to fool.

1326
01:04:57,660 --> 01:05:02,540
She died just two years later and the fate of her son was still a mystery.

1327
01:05:02,540 --> 01:05:04,100
Yeah.

1328
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:11,140
The case spring up again nine months after Dee Dee died as John's truck turned up 3000

1329
01:05:11,140 --> 01:05:13,920
miles away in Greenwich, Connecticut.

1330
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:21,780
A man calling himself Christopher Crowe had tried to sell the pickup truck to a son of

1331
01:05:21,780 --> 01:05:25,140
a local minister without title papers.

1332
01:05:25,140 --> 01:05:29,020
Rather than buy the truck, the minister's son reported it to the police and Christopher

1333
01:05:29,020 --> 01:05:35,260
took off, but then was later pulled over and this caused him to abandon the vehicle.

1334
01:05:35,260 --> 01:05:42,060
A sergeant of the Greenwich Police Department did some digging and learned that this Christopher

1335
01:05:42,060 --> 01:05:49,820
Crowe and this Christopher Chichester were actually the same individuals and Chichester

1336
01:05:49,820 --> 01:05:56,020
had been the ex-tenant of someone who might be able to shed light on a mysterious disappearance,

1337
01:05:56,020 --> 01:05:58,940
but he was gone.

1338
01:05:58,940 --> 01:06:00,580
Yeah.

1339
01:06:00,580 --> 01:06:04,260
So because of this, they could not track him down.

1340
01:06:04,260 --> 01:06:12,620
The search stalled again until May 1994 while digging a swimming pool at Dee Dee Sohus'

1341
01:06:12,620 --> 01:06:17,060
former home, a workman made a grim discovery.

1342
01:06:17,060 --> 01:06:24,180
Three plastic bags and a fiberglass box full of dismembered sections of a human skeleton

1343
01:06:24,180 --> 01:06:26,220
were found.

1344
01:06:26,220 --> 01:06:33,700
According to a detective of the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, the bones probably

1345
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:40,420
belonged to one or both of the former residents.

1346
01:06:40,420 --> 01:06:47,460
And then a forensic anthropologist examined the remains and determined that it's probably

1347
01:06:47,460 --> 01:06:53,100
just one body and it does fit the physical descriptions of John Sohus, but the lack of

1348
01:06:53,100 --> 01:06:57,060
dental records prevented conclusive identification.

1349
01:06:57,060 --> 01:07:06,860
And it was also determined that John had been, what's the word, adopted by Dee Dee.

1350
01:07:06,860 --> 01:07:14,500
So there wasn't any way to even do familial DNA, which is sad.

1351
01:07:14,500 --> 01:07:19,620
Something that perhaps the tenant of the guest house would know, we could at least look through

1352
01:07:19,620 --> 01:07:20,620
the guest house.

1353
01:07:20,620 --> 01:07:28,020
And so they used luminol, which we know luminol helps discover organic material.

1354
01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:35,220
And so they applied it all over the cement floors and sure enough, the floor glowed showing

1355
01:07:35,220 --> 01:07:38,500
there had been quite a bit of blood at one point.

1356
01:07:38,500 --> 01:07:42,020
So it's obviously a crime scene.

1357
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:45,020
But had it just been John, we don't know.

1358
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:46,380
There was only one body.

1359
01:07:46,380 --> 01:07:52,020
We never found another body and the case grew cold and it wasn't until 2010 that the bones

1360
01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:57,060
were finally determined to be John's and Linda to this day still has not been found.

1361
01:07:57,060 --> 01:07:58,060
Poor Linda.

1362
01:07:58,060 --> 01:08:00,860
I know it's very, very sad.

1363
01:08:00,860 --> 01:08:08,580
Okay, so back to Christopher, who's now Christopher Crowe, who also has claimed to be a relative

1364
01:08:08,580 --> 01:08:10,220
of Cameron Crowe.

1365
01:08:10,220 --> 01:08:12,580
Of course he has.

1366
01:08:12,580 --> 01:08:15,700
He has now settled in Greenwich, Connecticut.

1367
01:08:15,700 --> 01:08:21,400
He also has claimed to be a television producer from Los Angeles who's working on the revival

1368
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,260
of the Alfred Hitchcock Presents TV show.

1369
01:08:24,260 --> 01:08:27,300
I can't think of anyone I would want to do that with.

1370
01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:29,560
Right, exactly.

1371
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:36,300
But what's creepy is that he picked it because there was an actual producer of this show,

1372
01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:37,300
Cameron C. Crowe.

1373
01:08:37,300 --> 01:08:38,300
Oh my gosh.

1374
01:08:38,300 --> 01:08:39,300
Yeah.

1375
01:08:39,300 --> 01:08:44,660
And I mean, like back in the 80s, no one's going to be able to have the internet to like

1376
01:08:44,660 --> 01:08:46,580
look it up and verify it.

1377
01:08:46,580 --> 01:08:49,140
The real Christopher Crowe was like, what?

1378
01:08:49,140 --> 01:08:50,860
You did what?

1379
01:08:50,860 --> 01:08:52,020
Yeah.

1380
01:08:52,020 --> 01:08:59,380
So because he seems so impressive, he's immediately hired by a brokerage firm, but was fired because

1381
01:08:59,380 --> 01:09:05,700
they discovered that his social security number was not his, but in fact it belonged to serial

1382
01:09:05,700 --> 01:09:10,540
killer David Berkowitz, which was the son of Sam's serial killer from the 70s.

1383
01:09:10,540 --> 01:09:12,260
Did he pick that on purpose?

1384
01:09:12,260 --> 01:09:13,260
I think he did.

1385
01:09:13,260 --> 01:09:16,580
I think it's kind of like a, ha ha, you got me.

1386
01:09:16,580 --> 01:09:18,980
That's stupid and annoying.

1387
01:09:18,980 --> 01:09:19,980
Yeah.

1388
01:09:19,980 --> 01:09:24,580
Like, he's like, not only am I the smartest person in the room, but I'm the most annoying

1389
01:09:24,580 --> 01:09:25,580
person in the room.

1390
01:09:25,580 --> 01:09:29,900
I just wanted to keep that, you know, if you're wondering.

1391
01:09:29,900 --> 01:09:35,700
So he, from there, he was hired and fired from a few other jobs.

1392
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:42,900
And then another one, the very last one, as Christopher Crowe, he quit because where he

1393
01:09:42,900 --> 01:09:51,020
was working, they found out that this person was also in connection with the disappearances

1394
01:09:51,020 --> 01:09:54,700
of two people from San Marino, California.

1395
01:09:54,700 --> 01:09:57,540
So he was like, gotta go.

1396
01:09:57,540 --> 01:09:59,100
Goodbye.

1397
01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:00,460
And now we have circled back.

1398
01:10:00,460 --> 01:10:04,120
We are now back to Clark Rockefeller.

1399
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,960
So this new name, it's very flashy.

1400
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:11,060
It's almost too big of a name that it can't be legitimate, but it's like, who's going

1401
01:10:11,060 --> 01:10:12,580
to pretend to be a Rockefeller?

1402
01:10:12,580 --> 01:10:15,740
It's kind of like a go big or go home.

1403
01:10:15,740 --> 01:10:22,980
So Clark reimagined himself as being a direct descendant of Percy Rockefeller, who was the

1404
01:10:22,980 --> 01:10:26,100
nephew of the great John D Rockefeller.

1405
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:28,780
So it's just subtle enough to fly under the radar.

1406
01:10:28,780 --> 01:10:34,780
Like, who's really going to look into Percy Rockefeller's family line, I guess.

1407
01:10:34,780 --> 01:10:39,220
And it's like, I mean, they're not like John D Rockefeller rich, but they're still Rockefeller

1408
01:10:39,220 --> 01:10:42,900
rich, if you know what I mean.

1409
01:10:42,900 --> 01:10:46,260
But he was thinking, you know, this is it, I've made it.

1410
01:10:46,260 --> 01:10:48,620
But as we know, it went too far.

1411
01:10:48,620 --> 01:10:53,120
And he went too big, and he has got to go home.

1412
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,620
And by home, I mean to the Boston Police Department.

1413
01:10:56,620 --> 01:11:03,300
Christian Christopher Clark is now wanted for kidnapping his own daughter.

1414
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:10,540
So as we talked about, he has kidnapped his seven year old daughter, and after a five

1415
01:11:10,540 --> 01:11:18,420
day manhunt for him, Clark Rockefeller became Chip Smith.

1416
01:11:18,420 --> 01:11:27,420
He became a cop from Beauty and the Beast.

1417
01:11:27,420 --> 01:11:30,620
He's like, I'm gonna go plain Jane now.

1418
01:11:30,620 --> 01:11:35,620
Yeah, but he was, you know, Charles Chip Smith.

1419
01:11:35,620 --> 01:11:41,940
Charles Chip Smith, captain and catamaran designer.

1420
01:11:41,940 --> 01:11:43,740
I'm not making that up.

1421
01:11:43,740 --> 01:11:44,740
I know.

1422
01:11:44,740 --> 01:11:48,020
I'm just looking at you like this because I'm annoyed.

1423
01:11:48,020 --> 01:11:49,860
You're like, did you just say catamaran?

1424
01:11:49,860 --> 01:11:52,420
I'm gonna punch you in the face.

1425
01:11:52,420 --> 01:11:54,420
I want to punch him in the face.

1426
01:11:54,420 --> 01:11:55,420
Yeah.

1427
01:11:55,420 --> 01:12:04,740
So this happened on August 2nd, 2008.

1428
01:12:04,740 --> 01:12:12,260
He was found in Baltimore, Maryland, a Charles Chip Smith.

1429
01:12:12,260 --> 01:12:17,820
FBI agents zeroed in on him and were able to lure him out of his apartment with a telephone

1430
01:12:17,820 --> 01:12:23,300
call because they wanted to talk to him about a catamaran he was taking out on the water.

1431
01:12:23,300 --> 01:12:25,620
He's like, did you say catamaran?

1432
01:12:25,620 --> 01:12:27,700
Well, that is exactly what I'm about.

1433
01:12:27,700 --> 01:12:28,700
You know what?

1434
01:12:28,700 --> 01:12:29,700
I'm an expert in that.

1435
01:12:29,700 --> 01:12:30,700
I'm going to design it for you.

1436
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:33,300
Let me come out and get better reception.

1437
01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:39,300
So he was immediately arrested as soon as he left his apartment and he was charged with

1438
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:45,220
kidnapping and assault charges because if we remember, the social worker is like, I

1439
01:12:45,220 --> 01:12:46,940
am not living that down, buddy.

1440
01:12:46,940 --> 01:12:52,140
And they found his daughter unharmed inside his apartment.

1441
01:12:52,140 --> 01:13:02,020
So Christian, formerly known as Chip Smith, was taken to Boston Police Department.

1442
01:13:02,020 --> 01:13:09,100
During his trial, he tried to plead insanity because his defense team told jurors that

1443
01:13:09,100 --> 01:13:14,580
Christian believed his daughter had communicated with him telepathically from London where

1444
01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:19,420
she and her mother had moved and she was begging him to rescue her.

1445
01:13:19,420 --> 01:13:21,420
Like, you did not think that.

1446
01:13:21,420 --> 01:13:26,500
I do not think Thurston Howell III would think that.

1447
01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:34,140
However, the psychiatrist for the prosecution argued that while he has been diagnosed with

1448
01:13:34,140 --> 01:13:40,540
delusional disorder, a grandiose type, and narcissistic personality disorder, he has

1449
01:13:40,540 --> 01:13:45,980
greatly exaggerated his symptoms and he is quite intelligent and is capable of knowing

1450
01:13:45,980 --> 01:13:49,220
the difference between right and wrong.

1451
01:13:49,220 --> 01:14:02,300
By the end of the trial in mid-2009, the jury convicted Christian Clark Christopher of kidnapping

1452
01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:07,020
of his daughter as well as one count of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon.

1453
01:14:07,020 --> 01:14:12,500
And this is because he yelled at the getaway driver that he threw her into the car to pull

1454
01:14:12,500 --> 01:14:16,540
away even while the daughter's social worker was trying to hang onto the vehicle to save

1455
01:14:16,540 --> 01:14:17,540
her.

1456
01:14:17,540 --> 01:14:19,460
Good job social worker.

1457
01:14:19,460 --> 01:14:23,180
I know they need, let's pay social workers more.

1458
01:14:23,180 --> 01:14:28,980
They are like today's heroes.

1459
01:14:28,980 --> 01:14:37,580
So he was convicted, put into prison, but in 2011 more light was shed on the Sohus murder

1460
01:14:37,580 --> 01:14:43,940
and Los Angeles County prosecutors charged Christian with the murder of John Sohus.

1461
01:14:43,940 --> 01:14:51,260
The murder trial was held in March and April of 2013 and ended with Christian being convicted

1462
01:14:51,260 --> 01:14:55,320
of first degree murder on April 10th, 2013.

1463
01:14:55,320 --> 01:15:01,420
The verdict included an enhancement for use of a deadly weapon to bludgeon Sohus to death

1464
01:15:01,420 --> 01:15:06,800
because among those bone fragments they found that he had been stabbed but he had been ultimately

1465
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:11,740
killed by many blows to his skull.

1466
01:15:11,740 --> 01:15:19,340
So he was given the maximum sentence of 27 years to life with credit for one year served

1467
01:15:19,340 --> 01:15:22,060
while being sentenced in Massachusetts.

1468
01:15:22,060 --> 01:15:23,060
So they're like, good job.

1469
01:15:23,060 --> 01:15:24,060
You got one down.

1470
01:15:24,060 --> 01:15:25,060
You got life to go.

1471
01:15:25,060 --> 01:15:26,060
Yeah.

1472
01:15:26,060 --> 01:15:28,460
Good job dummy.

1473
01:15:28,460 --> 01:15:35,860
He is currently serving in San Quentin and he's eligible for parole in 2029.

1474
01:15:35,860 --> 01:15:41,540
So over the years he was a British aristocrat, a cardiologist.

1475
01:15:41,540 --> 01:15:42,780
I did not even touch that.

1476
01:15:42,780 --> 01:15:46,220
That's way, like I can't, this guy has already gone on too long.

1477
01:15:46,220 --> 01:15:50,680
A Hollywood producer, a bond broker, a member of the Rockefeller family.

1478
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,700
And now he's just an inmate.

1479
01:15:54,700 --> 01:16:04,100
And that is the story of Christian Christopher Clark Chip Gerhard Strider of Bavaria, West

1480
01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:05,100
Germany.

1481
01:16:05,100 --> 01:16:06,100
Good job.

1482
01:16:06,100 --> 01:16:08,300
Oh my gosh, that guy.

1483
01:16:08,300 --> 01:16:11,540
Oh, you were going to do your...

1484
01:16:11,540 --> 01:16:12,540
All my sources.

1485
01:16:12,540 --> 01:16:13,540
Of course.

1486
01:16:13,540 --> 01:16:16,620
Yes, because I did not come up with any of that just off the top of my head.

1487
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:18,620
I wouldn't even have known where to start.

1488
01:16:18,620 --> 01:16:19,620
You're like, you know what?

1489
01:16:19,620 --> 01:16:20,620
I made the story.

1490
01:16:20,620 --> 01:16:25,620
I'm like, how did you think of my screenplay?

1491
01:16:25,620 --> 01:16:30,580
So my sources are NPR, which there was no writer.

1492
01:16:30,580 --> 01:16:33,620
It was just NPR writers.

1493
01:16:33,620 --> 01:16:42,380
A Vanity Fair article by Mark Seal, an unsolved mysteries episode, season seven, episode 11

1494
01:16:42,380 --> 01:16:45,100
with our good friend, Robert Stackhouse.

1495
01:16:45,100 --> 01:16:48,100
Isn't it just Robert Stack?

1496
01:16:48,100 --> 01:16:49,100
Robert Stack?

1497
01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:50,100
Who's Stackhouse?

1498
01:16:50,100 --> 01:16:51,340
I don't know.

1499
01:16:51,340 --> 01:16:53,340
By our good friend, Suki Waterhouse.

1500
01:16:53,340 --> 01:16:54,340
I'm just kidding.

1501
01:16:54,340 --> 01:16:55,340
Robert Stackhouse.

1502
01:16:55,340 --> 01:16:56,340
Where did that come from?

1503
01:16:56,340 --> 01:16:57,340
I have no idea.

1504
01:16:57,340 --> 01:17:02,740
You're like, I'm so used to long names after this story.

1505
01:17:02,740 --> 01:17:06,460
I'm like, our good friend, Robert Stack, Gerhard Streiter.

1506
01:17:06,460 --> 01:17:12,060
Man, that show is so good.

1507
01:17:12,060 --> 01:17:20,020
And then the Netflix documentary called My Friend Rockefeller, which that documentary

1508
01:17:20,020 --> 01:17:21,980
actually interviews Christian.

1509
01:17:21,980 --> 01:17:25,460
Yeah, so he talks like this.

1510
01:17:25,460 --> 01:17:26,460
I can't do the voice.

1511
01:17:26,460 --> 01:17:27,460
I wish I could.

1512
01:17:27,460 --> 01:17:31,140
If anyone is nearer YouTube at the moment, just Google...

1513
01:17:31,140 --> 01:17:32,140
What?

1514
01:17:32,140 --> 01:17:36,860
Just YouTube, Thurston Howell III to see how he sounds.

1515
01:17:36,860 --> 01:17:47,460
Also, this is probably the story, the only story you've told that I know really well.

1516
01:17:47,460 --> 01:17:52,580
And I would highly recommend watching the episode of Dateline, Phony Rockefeller.

1517
01:17:52,580 --> 01:17:56,460
Yes, that was one that came up that I didn't get to watch and I'm like, I have got to do

1518
01:17:56,460 --> 01:17:57,460
it.

1519
01:17:57,460 --> 01:18:01,060
It's so weird because it's not one of the regular Dateline hosts, but it's a really...

1520
01:18:01,060 --> 01:18:02,300
Was it Lester Holt?

1521
01:18:02,300 --> 01:18:03,300
It wasn't Lester.

1522
01:18:03,300 --> 01:18:05,620
It was someone I don't even recognize.

1523
01:18:05,620 --> 01:18:07,620
But it was really good.

1524
01:18:07,620 --> 01:18:11,820
But they interview him and he is the most irritating person.

1525
01:18:11,820 --> 01:18:12,820
Was he doing the voice?

1526
01:18:12,820 --> 01:18:18,140
He was doing the voice and he had his creepy 70s serial killer sunglasses.

1527
01:18:18,140 --> 01:18:21,980
I mean, regular glasses, not sunglasses.

1528
01:18:21,980 --> 01:18:22,980
And then...

1529
01:18:22,980 --> 01:18:28,940
Yeah, every picture you see him in, he actually looks like...

1530
01:18:28,940 --> 01:18:32,260
What is that villain that wears orange and has the bald haircut?

1531
01:18:32,260 --> 01:18:33,260
Is that from...

1532
01:18:33,260 --> 01:18:34,260
From Despicable Me?

1533
01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:35,260
Despicable Me?

1534
01:18:35,260 --> 01:18:36,260
That is literally who...

1535
01:18:36,260 --> 01:18:40,220
I don't know that character's name, but that is who he looks like to me.

1536
01:18:40,220 --> 01:18:45,340
I don't want to be like, oh, this person wouldn't fool me.

1537
01:18:45,340 --> 01:18:50,580
But I feel like if he told me, I'm a Rockefeller, I'd be like, no, you're not.

1538
01:18:50,580 --> 01:18:52,300
And I don't even know what a Rockefeller...

1539
01:18:52,300 --> 01:18:53,860
I don't even know how to say it right.

1540
01:18:53,860 --> 01:18:54,860
A rockerfeller?

1541
01:18:54,860 --> 01:18:57,700
I'm like, I know in my bones that you are not.

1542
01:18:57,700 --> 01:19:00,940
Oh yeah, Date with Dateline did an episode about it.

1543
01:19:00,940 --> 01:19:02,820
Which is an amazing podcast.

1544
01:19:02,820 --> 01:19:04,580
Amazing podcast, highly recommend.

1545
01:19:04,580 --> 01:19:07,780
I feel like if you like us, you'll like Date with Dateline.

1546
01:19:07,780 --> 01:19:09,500
They're very family friendly.

1547
01:19:09,500 --> 01:19:12,140
They're a couple of friends that are very silly.

1548
01:19:12,140 --> 01:19:14,060
And also, thank you for liking us.

1549
01:19:14,060 --> 01:19:15,060
Yes.

1550
01:19:15,060 --> 01:19:19,700
I'm like, I assume if you're listening, you probably like us.

1551
01:19:19,700 --> 01:19:22,820
If you want to tell us, you can.

1552
01:19:22,820 --> 01:19:25,940
I guess if you want to hate listen, I guess you're still downloading.

1553
01:19:25,940 --> 01:19:26,940
Oh yeah, please don't.

1554
01:19:26,940 --> 01:19:30,900
Please hate listen, but don't yell at us in a comment.

1555
01:19:30,900 --> 01:19:33,500
So I don't think we've gotten any comments like that so far.

1556
01:19:33,500 --> 01:19:35,780
No, I'm actually surprised, which is sad.

1557
01:19:35,780 --> 01:19:38,740
I'm like, oh, we're doing okay, I guess.

1558
01:19:38,740 --> 01:19:45,140
I'm just bracing myself for the day someone tells me my voice is annoying.

1559
01:19:45,140 --> 01:19:48,060
I wish I was also bracing myself for that.

1560
01:19:48,060 --> 01:19:50,500
I'm like, that happened to be a long time ago.

1561
01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:52,220
I just mean like a stranger.

1562
01:19:52,220 --> 01:19:53,220
I, a stranger.

1563
01:19:53,220 --> 01:19:54,220
Yeah.

1564
01:19:54,220 --> 01:19:59,300
But so far you've only had compliments on your voice, which is nice.

1565
01:19:59,300 --> 01:20:00,300
I know.

1566
01:20:00,300 --> 01:20:02,580
I'm like, wow, you guys are nice.

1567
01:20:02,580 --> 01:20:03,580
Yes.

1568
01:20:03,580 --> 01:20:04,780
Thank you so much.

1569
01:20:04,780 --> 01:20:11,540
And if you feel like telling us, please rate, review, and subscribe on any of your podcast

1570
01:20:11,540 --> 01:20:13,160
platforms.

1571
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:17,540
And please tell a friend, tell a stranger, tell an enemy.

1572
01:20:17,540 --> 01:20:18,540
Phone a friend.

1573
01:20:18,540 --> 01:20:19,540
Tell anyone.

1574
01:20:19,540 --> 01:20:20,540
Tell anyone.

1575
01:20:20,540 --> 01:20:21,540
Call your mom.

1576
01:20:21,540 --> 01:20:22,540
Tell a con man.

1577
01:20:22,540 --> 01:20:25,780
Don't, but don't tell them too much.

1578
01:20:25,780 --> 01:20:27,260
Just tell them what podcasts you like.

1579
01:20:27,260 --> 01:20:28,260
Yeah.

1580
01:20:28,260 --> 01:20:30,860
Just don't tell them anything about yourself.

1581
01:20:30,860 --> 01:20:34,500
Because identity theft is not a joke.

1582
01:20:34,500 --> 01:20:36,220
It's not a joke.

1583
01:20:36,220 --> 01:20:38,580
That's like the second office reference.

1584
01:20:38,580 --> 01:20:43,060
I feel like you're doing okay in life if you made at least two office references in your,

1585
01:20:43,060 --> 01:20:44,060
in a 24 hour period.

1586
01:20:44,060 --> 01:20:45,060
Yeah.

1587
01:20:45,060 --> 01:20:46,060
I don't know.

1588
01:20:46,060 --> 01:20:47,060
I don't have anything else.

1589
01:20:47,060 --> 01:20:53,260
Do you have anything to add before next time?

1590
01:20:53,260 --> 01:20:56,260
I don't know.

1591
01:20:56,260 --> 01:20:57,900
We've already talked about our merch.

1592
01:20:57,900 --> 01:20:59,460
Oh, we do have merch.

1593
01:20:59,460 --> 01:21:00,700
It's on Redbubble.

1594
01:21:00,700 --> 01:21:07,900
I'm not sure if that's the best platform for merch, but it's, it's where we are stepping

1595
01:21:07,900 --> 01:21:10,100
our foot into the merch world.

1596
01:21:10,100 --> 01:21:15,620
I think soon we'll probably move it to a different website.

1597
01:21:15,620 --> 01:21:18,060
But we will let you know when that happens.

1598
01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:20,020
But for the time being, it is on Redbubble.

1599
01:21:20,020 --> 01:21:21,020
Yeah.

1600
01:21:21,020 --> 01:21:27,380
It's under Oddly Curious Pod, just like our Insta handle, Oddly Curious Pod.

1601
01:21:27,380 --> 01:21:32,820
And I'm also waiting for the sticker that I bought from myself.

1602
01:21:32,820 --> 01:21:33,820
I know.

1603
01:21:33,820 --> 01:21:35,900
I'm like, I am going to buy a sticker too.

1604
01:21:35,900 --> 01:21:37,660
I'm really excited about it.

1605
01:21:37,660 --> 01:21:38,900
Me too.

1606
01:21:38,900 --> 01:21:41,620
But yeah, that's all I have.

1607
01:21:41,620 --> 01:21:44,060
Yeah, me too.

1608
01:21:44,060 --> 01:21:47,060
Well, until next time.

1609
01:21:47,060 --> 01:21:50,740
Be curious.

1610
01:21:50,740 --> 01:21:53,740
And be odd.

1611
01:21:53,740 --> 01:21:58,020
Don't trust people with weirdly long names.

1612
01:21:58,020 --> 01:22:00,500
My last name's pretty long, but.

1613
01:22:00,500 --> 01:22:03,100
But it's like, it's not multiple smooshed together.

1614
01:22:03,100 --> 01:22:04,340
Oh yeah.

1615
01:22:04,340 --> 01:22:06,340
And chachester.

1616
01:22:06,340 --> 01:22:08,340
Chachester.

1617
01:22:08,340 --> 01:22:17,300
Yeah, don't trust anyone with really, really anything.

1618
01:22:17,300 --> 01:22:18,300
I don't know.

1619
01:22:18,300 --> 01:22:19,300
Just don't trust.

1620
01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:21,220
No, wait, you should trust some people.

1621
01:22:21,220 --> 01:22:22,540
Yeah, it's OK.

1622
01:22:22,540 --> 01:22:23,540
Just be wary.

1623
01:22:23,540 --> 01:22:25,500
Be careful with people.

1624
01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:28,900
Don't trust oil companies.

1625
01:22:28,900 --> 01:22:30,940
Definitely don't trust oil companies.

1626
01:22:30,940 --> 01:22:35,060
But always trust turtles.

1627
01:22:35,060 --> 01:22:36,060
Always trust turtles.

1628
01:22:36,060 --> 01:22:37,060
Yeah.

1629
01:22:37,060 --> 01:22:40,860
And if anyone says something about if some turtles, I don't

1630
01:22:40,860 --> 01:22:43,980
know, you shouldn't trust, I'm just going to ignore that,

1631
01:22:43,980 --> 01:22:45,900
because I'm going to trust all the turtles.

1632
01:22:45,900 --> 01:22:47,580
I kind of feel like some dolphins might not

1633
01:22:47,580 --> 01:22:48,860
be able to be trusted.

1634
01:22:48,860 --> 01:22:52,940
But I trust all speckled nose dolphins.

1635
01:22:52,940 --> 01:22:55,300
I don't trust dolphins, but I respect them.

1636
01:22:55,300 --> 01:22:57,460
Yeah.

1637
01:22:57,460 --> 01:23:00,380
Because I feel like they could also have still your identity.

1638
01:23:00,380 --> 01:23:03,820
I think so, yeah.

1639
01:23:03,820 --> 01:23:05,860
And yeah.

1640
01:23:05,860 --> 01:23:09,700
I mean, we have to have gas, because it fills up our cars,

1641
01:23:09,700 --> 01:23:10,940
and we have to drive with it.

1642
01:23:10,940 --> 01:23:12,820
But I don't like the means and how

1643
01:23:12,820 --> 01:23:14,580
it's removed from the earth.

1644
01:23:14,580 --> 01:23:17,860
I don't like that I have to have it.

1645
01:23:17,860 --> 01:23:19,420
I don't like it at all.

1646
01:23:19,420 --> 01:23:23,060
In fact, I would like to have it not at all.

1647
01:23:23,060 --> 01:23:24,300
And that's how I feel about that.

1648
01:23:24,300 --> 01:23:27,380
I don't want gasoline in anything.

1649
01:23:27,380 --> 01:23:30,460
I don't want everything to be electric.

1650
01:23:30,460 --> 01:23:32,860
And I don't want con men to do anything bad.

1651
01:23:32,860 --> 01:23:36,380
If I lived in an area that was more conducive to it,

1652
01:23:36,380 --> 01:23:40,060
I would just walk and take public transport all over.

1653
01:23:40,060 --> 01:23:41,460
Oh my gosh.

1654
01:23:41,460 --> 01:23:42,980
That's the dream.

1655
01:23:42,980 --> 01:23:47,100
We're in a place that doesn't work.

1656
01:23:47,100 --> 01:23:48,100
Anyway.

1657
01:23:48,100 --> 01:23:49,700
Anyway, we're not just rambling.

1658
01:23:49,700 --> 01:23:54,660
We're like, and gas prices don't even get started.

1659
01:23:54,660 --> 01:23:57,340
Anyway, but in the meantime, take care of yourself.

1660
01:23:57,340 --> 01:23:59,940
Take care of your friends.

1661
01:23:59,940 --> 01:24:03,540
Go easy on yourself, and we love you.

1662
01:24:03,540 --> 01:24:04,300
And we love you.

1663
01:24:04,300 --> 01:24:05,660
And good night.

1664
01:24:05,660 --> 01:24:30,820
Good night.