We are the three first human beings to land on the moon.
Yeah.
But if you study body language, you can see they are so sad, they're disturbed,
they're distraught, they are told to say certain things, but they are not supposed to say.
Okay.
So that was a very mind-boggling thing to see because it's historical.
So they should be over the moon.
Should be over the moon.
I mean, entirely intended.
Yeah, man, I saw Kentucky Fried Chicken right up on the moon, man.
You know, things like that, something that's exciting.
Welcome back, everyone.
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We're going to continue with part two of our stories about ETs and UAPs and UFOs and abductions
and a probe going up somewhere that you shouldn't go up.
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And we're back with the Chris Hansen conversation and still with me in studio,
I've got Ignatius Bong and affectionately known once again as Bong.
Hello, everybody. How are you?
Thanks for just sticking around.
My goodness me.
I just got a probe up my...
Have a vada, man.
Helps up with a probe in your...
Okay.
I mean, you can say it, man.
Don't worry about it.
Since we're on the topic of probes and people have been probed, right?
This is what you're going to be talking about.
What was it you said?
The abduction of the 411?
Oh, yes.
Okay. Following up on last week's discussion,
before we begin, I think maybe a lot of you were sort of lost,
could be lost in the amount of information we gave you.
It'd be great if you're interested in these topics.
Oops, the mic is falling off.
Let me just readjust.
Oh, that one must have been probed too.
Yeah, that must have been probed.
Sorry about that.
Yeah. So it's best to maybe read on a lot more.
You can go online, just search, or go YouTube research.
You can see all the full backstory so you understand them better.
Okay. So the missing 411, it's a new case brought up by a police officer in America.
He's an investigator.
His name is David Poulidis.
P-A-U-L-I-D-E-S, Poulidis.
So what happened was he was asked to investigate cold cases.
That means he's an investigator.
People get missing in the US parks, national parks like Yosemite, et cetera.
If you have been to the US and if you've been through all the nature reserves,
a park is really huge.
It's like the size is really big.
It's very big, bigger than Singapore, some of them.
I think most of them are bigger than Singapore.
So it's basically what they call reserve that you cannot touch.
You cannot do anything, but you can just visit.
So some things like the Grand Canyon is an example.
Right, Yosemite.
And Yosemite National Park.
People go in there and they are lost.
They get missing.
Search and rescue missions go into the places where they were reported lost.
They can't find them.
And they can't find them after two weeks or three weeks of searching.
So they have to stop because, I mean, as a human being,
if you are not found, you're presumed dead because you're in the wilderness.
So what happens is that they find this person,
either dead or alive, at a place where they're not supposed to be.
That means a few kilometers up a mountain,
a few kilometers out from the range of the search.
There is no way this person...
It's just too broad, too huge to find a missing person.
A missing person.
So when I say missing person, most people will think, oh, adults or teenagers.
No, I'm talking about even toddlers, a three-year-old, four-year-old toddler.
Right, so they get lost in the park.
What happened is that how they are lost is very simple.
The parents are talking to the child,
they turn and do something on the whatever barbecue table for one minute or two minutes.
They turn around, the child is missing.
That's what they call the missing case.
It suddenly just disappears.
After many searches and all that, they find the child.
There's one case.
They find the child alive, but many weeks later, on top of a mountain.
That means like, I don't know the truth, not many weeks, maybe a few days later,
the child is on top of a mountain.
And child is fine?
Child is fine.
But how did the child climb up the mountain?
Well, that's one, but how they survive for days out there in the wilderness.
So there are many cases like this of disappearances when they're not supposed to disappear.
Yeah, but this David Paulitis, this guy, this ex-police officer, is he an advocate for,
you know, anything that's extraterrestrial?
Or was he just a neutral guy just going out to discover the facts about how people got missing?
Yeah, he's neutral.
Neutral? Yeah, he was neutral for many years.
Right.
Then because he says, I'm a police officer, I'm paid to investigate.
I do not have any, do not engage me into any of this UFO alien abduction, big foot kind of thing.
Right.
Although he does have an interest in big food in America, but he separates them totally.
And he would just give you the fact that this is what happened.
This person disappeared.
The person who disappears, most of them are very old or they have some kind of disability.
Right? They are near water or near rock formations.
Right.
Okay. They find this.
And then he has actually devised a chart to showcase where they are lost.
Right.
They are found sometimes without shoes, but they are found sometimes in water, but the socks is clean,
as white as shit.
That means somehow this person was not treading on the ground.
They were just lifted up, disappeared, and then they found a dead body, something like that.
So it's a very interesting case.
So it's a very interesting case to see because I think by the virtual fact that he does not
put pinpoint any cause of it.
So he just gives you the fact and that is very interesting.
So he has published a few books on this.
He started out with 411 cases.
And there is basically he has made three documentaries on this,
the missing 411, the hunted, and the new one is missing something, the UFO connection or something like that.
Yeah, but so basically it cannot be some child predators or child predators who abducted these kids
because these kids were found alive and well and they were clean and all that.
Yeah, some are found alive, some were never found.
And then old people disappeared, never found.
No body, no traces.
Even the dogs who can sniff, what do you call them?
The sniffer dogs.
And cadaver dogs.
Yeah, they can't find a trail.
So these cases happened a lot in American parks.
But what happened is that these investigators, they knew something happened that's very strange,
but they never brought it up.
Again, same thing because they were just volunteers on the search and rescue.
So when he went to talk to them, he realized that there was an issue.
But this issue is being hushed up.
It's a natural mystery.
He does not know why they disappear.
So he made what you call that, these studies in America, in Canada and in Australia.
So in Australia, they have a lot of cases like that where they just vanish.
In Australia?
Yeah, in Australia.
So again, since we're back on the ET thing, so another group of people claim,
oh, they're all abducted by aliens and they disappear and they're never found.
Okay.
Yeah, so that's one theory because we're on the topic of aliens, right?
Yeah.
So the aliens can take everything, must blame aliens.
But this missing thing is really very true.
And there was a recording done by some hunters in one of his documentaries,
which struck me a bit frightening.
The hunters were in the forest.
They had a recording device on.
So it was many years ago in the 1970s.
So where is this?
Where is this?
This is, I can't remember the case file.
This was in the US.
In the US.
Again.
Again, in the US.
It has to be in the US, not in Bukit Timah Hill.
Exactly.
So in the US, so they recorded a voice, a strange growling voice and talking of a being
that sounds like Yoda from Star Wars.
Okay, this one is available on YouTube.
You mean that voice recording is available on YouTube?
Yes, it's recorded.
And that voice spoke in English?
No, it's not in English.
It is something like...
Oh my goodness, I don't believe you just did that.
Get the fuck out of here, man.
I need to clear my throat.
I think there's something here, some mucus.
Okay.
It's getting hot.
It is hot in Singapore.
The weather is incredible.
You can fry an egg on the road, on the pavement.
I think so too.
So that is one of the cases.
And it was well documented in this second documentary.
The Hunter.
The Hunter or the Hunter, I can't remember.
But do check it out.
The Missing 411 series, they're available on Apple.
Sounds interesting, man.
Sounds interesting.
Are they available on Apple?
Yes.
Apple TV?
Apple TV, Apple Store.
Like this show is available on Apple Podcasts as well.
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Okay, then moving on.
The topic is very big.
In our first episode, we were trying to
actually grapple how do we actually
present this topic.
There's so many topics.
Some of them are intertwined, interrelated.
Most of them are without any kind of evidence.
There is no scientific evidence
to prove anything.
So the listeners sometimes say, oh, this is a hearsay.
This is just storytelling.
This is Sandiwara, blah blah blah.
So it's very hard.
We're trying to just bring you an awareness
of these things that are basically
in the public realm.
So one of the more recent things was the
US Congressional hearing.
This is true in 2022.
The United States Congress had
a hearing on UFOs.
They were forced to,
rather the Pentagon was forced
by Donald Trump to
say something about this.
And this is where-
No way. You mean Trump got it going?
Yeah, he had a document.
And one document inside that blah blah blah blah
they call it a COVID document or something like that.
Can't recall. COVID document.
So he had to mention this.
They had to give a report on update
on what is happening here. Somebody very cleverly,
one congressman put it inside
and then he signed it off. So it became law
that they had to reveal. And this was where
the word called UAP came up.
So a long time ago,
it was always a UFO.
So to sound more scientific
and more for military purposes, they called it
the UAP.
Unidentifiable, unidentified
aerial phenomenon.
Very nice way to say it.
Unidentified aerial phenomena.
So that takes away all these
bad things that you hear about UFOs.
The study of UFOs,
all the crackpots and all that. So they tried to
disengage from this group of
people by saying the UAP issue.
Instead of the UFO issue.
So what they did was
there was a group of people that actually
leaked
some videos out from Pentagon.
And then three of the very famous ones,
if you have seen the New York Times,
they have released them out.
One of them was a very famous
UFO called the Tic Tac UFO.
Oh yeah, the Tic Tac UFO.
This is where you bring it up now, Kai.
The Tic Tac UFO.
Give me a second.
It's not Kit Kat but it's Tic Tac.
I think that's the first time everyone or anyone
has ever heard your voice on there.
Beautiful.
Not that one. Not that one too.
Not this one.
That's the one.
That's the one, right? Yeah, that's the one.
So something about this
object that you see, it's
shot from a military plane.
And what happened is that
because it's a military plane, it's released
by the Pentagon.
So it's not because of someone leaking it?
Somebody leaked it out.
And then the Pentagon had no choice but to say
yes, this belongs to us.
So they were back into a corner.
It's not as if they wanted to do so of their own free will.
Yes, correct.
So they released that.
So when they released that, because of the credibility
of a US plane that caught this,
and that's how it started,
this whole congressional hearing.
So the congressional hearing,
as usual,
they had two. One was for the public,
and then the second session was only
to Congress. Because the reason is
we cannot tell the public
because we have all these technologies.
The Russians might steal our technology.
We have this drone capability.
So we will have a second
congressional hearing, but we will
give you the full information. So to the public,
it was just nonsense like
yeah, they was there, we're investigating
this, and it was just things
that was very clean.
There was nothing controversial.
They just say, oh, these are unknown staff
and all that's about it. But it's the congressional
hearing that had a lot of information inside.
Which was,
what I heard was that the congressmen,
the press was waiting for them.
So when they came out of that congressional hearing,
their face was white.
They were already white guys. No shit, really?
They were pale. They came out, they were a bit stunned.
A bit disturbed. So that means to say
that the whole, the entire US
government, outside of the White
House, US Congress,
now know
practically what, everything they need to know.
Not basically practically,
but I think they have a lot of information now.
But it's, I think like I mentioned again,
some people say this is the hostage thing.
That means you're
being held hostage. Held at gunpoint.
By the aliens.
So they've actually invaded us already.
Yeah, correct. Like for example,
some of the cases like
the moon landing
in America. Again, Americans.
They landed on the moon.
Now of course there's one group,
people say no they never land. It never took place.
I will throw that aside.
Because it did.
In my scientific knowledge,
they landed on the moon. It's like flat
earthers, man. Oh the earth's flat, man. It's not round.
Whoever said it was round, jeez. Yeah, that's right.
So they did land on the moon. Evidence to support
them from many, many multiple scientific
countries.
But when they came back, the three
astronauts, they had a press conference.
The three of them was like as though they attended.
You're talking about Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin.
Correct. Yeah.
So that, I mean they should be very happy and excited.
We are the three first
human beings to land on the moon.
But if you study body language,
you can see they are so sad, they're
disturbed, they're distraught.
They are told to say certain things but
they are not supposed to say.
So that was a very mind boggling
thing to see when you see that
presentation because it's historical.
They should be over the moon.
Should be over the moon. Entirely intended.
I saw a Kentucky fried chicken right
around the moon, man. You know things like that. Something that's
exciting.
But when they gave the press
conference, they were like, oh my goodness.
It's very sad.
I think that spoke a lot of volume
to me when I saw it personally.
When I saw that thing, I said, oh wow.
Something is happening.
So what do you think happened?
According to them, again leaked information
from the astronauts. Some of them had passed away.
But astronauts do talk to
fellow astronauts.
So they say when they landed on the moon,
there were all these flying objects
watching them as they landed.
And when they came out of the moon,
whatever, the capsule,
they were being watched.
So what you're
saying is that this conspiracy theory
about the moon being
an alien base.
Okay, that is another topic.
There's no better time to talk about shit like this
than now, isn't it?
Yeah.
The moon is too perfect.
Do you need a glass of water or something, man?
I need a whiskey.
It can happen, don't worry.
So the moon
is too perfect a satellite.
It's the only moon
that is following a planet
very closely
in perfect synergy.
That we get a full eclipse
of the sun.
No other planetary systems
in the universe has
scientists found the perfect moon,
except our moon. Perfectly round.
Perfectly spherical. Correct.
And then when they dropped, what happened was
when the spacecraft left the moon,
and they dropped the payload,
that means they don't want it to be too heavy.
It rang like a bell.
I heard about that.
That means there was something hollow.
So the moon is hollow.
So what you're saying, that the moon is actually
what is made, is artificial?
Yeah, they say it's artificial.
It's a construct built by
an, it was delivered
close to Earth.
It is basically an observatory base
where the aliens come,
blah blah blah, and that's where you have the next topic
which I want to talk about,
which is related to the moon, it's called the solar warden.
Sorry, before you go on
to solar warden, yeah, let's talk
about the moon a little bit more.
I mean, I read about this, that
it's so perfect
in terms of the distance between
the Earth and the moon and the sun
that it basically completely
eclipses the sun during a total eclipse, right?
And we are the only
planet in the solar system that actually
has that happening.
But, however,
if
there is some truth
to the moon being
artificial, and
there could have been a time in
Earth's past, a long time ago,
that the moon didn't exist.
To explain tides.
I mean, it controls
our tides, right?
So,
what would happen
if we don't have the moon?
So, are we saying that back in
now we're going back to ancient astronauts again,
are we saying that back in the day
that, well, I mean, it's, well,
archaeologists and historians have accepted
the fact that there was
a great flood.
I mean, of course, biblically, we also
know about the great flood
in Noah, right? Noah's Ark.
And
there's been so much evidence of
many ancient great
civilizations that were wiped out
by this flood.
You mean,
could it be that at that time
the moon didn't exist?
Because in some civilizations,
what's the word for it?
What people wrote and talk about, right?
In the ancients, that is.
I think even in the Bible,
if I'm not mistaken, there was a quote
that says,
in the days before the
arrival of the moon.
Yes, I've heard that. Yeah.
But you know something, man.
People would really think we're a bunch of quacks now.
That's why I say
take it with a pinch of salt.
It's very entertaining. Yeah, salt gives you cholesterol as well.
Yeah, cholesterol, yes. Okay.
Right. So it's entertaining, you know.
That's why I say it's like science fiction.
You enjoy the non-fiction
as a science fiction.
Because it's really nice
to hear this because it could have happened.
So that gives the edge to the
story. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing.
What you mentioned is true. Yeah.
The time before the moon and all that stuff.
That was actually brought up by
a few people who went to study
ancient languages and of cultures
in antiquity. They like to
call it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So it's very interesting. Yeah.
So the moon has always been one of
the focal point for mankind since
they were around. Right. And
they always wanted to fly to the moon.
So when they really got to the moon,
then you have the second thing, oh what's on the
moon? What's on the backside of the moon? The dark side. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think there are alien bases.
But don't you think it's really weird
to, we're still on the topic of the moon.
Forgive me. Yes. Yes. Because it fascinates me. Yeah.
I've been thinking
about this for a long time. Really.
The moon,
it doesn't,
it always shows the same face
to earth. Yeah. Anywhere in the
world, you see the same
face. Correct. We don't see the
other side. Yes. But the Chinese
have recently launched,
well, and came back,
their own spacecraft to land on the
far side of the moon. Yeah. Right.
Edward Collins, who was the
guy in the,
in the,
you know, when Apollo 11
went in, right, what they do is that they land
the lunar module. Then you have
the other spacecraft
with one more astronaut in there
that will have to not orbit the
moon. Yeah, orbit the moon. And then pick these guys up.
Yes. Excuse me.
When these guys, when the astronauts
on the surface of the moon
need to come back to earth, they will launch
from the moon in the limb. They call it the limb,
right, the lunar module. Yeah. And
then attach itself to the one
that's been waiting for them above in orbit. Yes.
Right. Now,
Edward Collins actually flew
to the back of the moon.
And he must have seen a lot of stuff.
I think
Armstrong, the three of them, actually
also went to the back of the moon.
And during that time, there were no
transmissions because they're at the back of the moon.
Yeah, correct. They completely blocked off
from
Earth, isn't it? Yeah.
So, the Chinese didn't say
whether they saw anything.
The Chinese would never say anything.
You know, when I read about this,
when I read about this, now you know that
they were sending
a probe to the far side
of the moon. I was hoping they would tell us
what did you see?
And it won't be as
secretive as the Yangs. Yeah.
Not to be secretive, then they'll send another one.
Then they go and learn and study whatever, blah blah, they come back.
Then they build 10 more aircraft carriers.
And circle Taiwan.
I think you better keep your passport
in order to other countries now.
Yep. Okay, man.
Okay, sorry about that. I just wanted to raise
that important point. You know what I mean?
It's kind of amazing because I think
you're right, those three guys
on Apollo 11
that landed on the moon, I think they saw
more than they could chew. Yes,
correct. That's right. They saw more than they could chew.
And of course,
these are all scripted. You cannot say,
I mean, it's a public relations
thing. You cannot say, oh, I saw something there.
They have a code,
apparently there have been some
NASA had to
release some
by piece of the Secret Information Act.
No, the Release of Information Act.
Something like that.
That Americans have.
And recently it came to light
that there have been coms
that we don't hear.
That no one on Earth can hear.
It's between Cape Kennedy's
control
to the lunar module.
Not the lunar module, to the astronauts.
On the way to the moon
and whilst they were there.
It's a medical channel.
That's it.
And it's via another medium
of communications that they've got
inside the spacecraft.
And they have a
code word and they say that they saw
anything that's
ET.
And it's code word was Santa Claus.
So I have Santa Claus.
I see Santa Claus.
And I saw that.
I mean, I was watching that documentary.
It was quite fascinating actually.
Because they still do have NASA
feeds beamed down
for enthusiasts to see
how does my neighborhood look like
in space.
What are they doing on a space shuttle for example?
International Space Station.
But many, many, many times
when something happens, something
approaches that is not natural,
they will cut the feed.
So it's a very good
YouTube channel that sort of broadcasts
these kind of anomalies.
And they call themselves the Secure Team.
I don't know if you've heard of them.
It's a freaking cool name.
It's one guy who's running it.
But he brings out all these,
he's very focused on bringing out all these anomalies.
That means you can see something approaching in the background.
Like the Black Knight.
A Black Knight is like a
satellite which
according to many people is placed
in orbit since the world
began.
Since the world began and they've been
guarding human beings. So this is called the Black Knight.
Of course, please Google all this.
This sounds like that alien
movie called Prometheus.
It's like Prometheus, correct.
So speaking about Prometheus
and all that, Hollywood has
been talked about, that Hollywood
has actually been roped in
to sort of do a
disclosure of these things to the general public.
Basically try to ease us into
that this is actually quite customary.
Yes, and mankind
into our consciousness.
So it's called disclosure, isn't it? This whole thing is called disclosure.
Disclosure, yeah.
So disclosure means to disclose something
that I'm not telling you.
So for the whole world,
I mean to these UFO people,
it's called the disclosure.
So one of those very good Hollywood movies was
in my personal opinion was
Close Encounters of the Third Kind by Steven Spielberg.
Long time ago. Yes. You have to see that.
You have not seen that before.
Because it really sums up
the entire information
that they have.
They have Jacques Vallee, which is a French
investigator. He was
on the show, but somebody acted like him.
Speaking French.
And then they have also John Allen Hynek.
Yeah, Hynek was there.
So it was a very, very
powerful movie because
the last part when the aliens came out,
at that time nobody knew about the
bug eyes thing. It was very rare.
The grays. But there were grays there.
So it was really well planted.
The story was a very strong line.
So Steven Spielberg, even up to today
when he's asked about
things like that, he will tell you he
believes in these UFOs.
It's inspired him to do a lot
of movies. And the movies and the
story line, up to today,
he still gives suggestions
to certain sort of videographers,
not videographers, documentary
terrians who would like to do
topics on this. They would still sometimes ask
him for help. He will point them in the right
direction for their research.
So does it mean that Spielberg knows something we don't?
I guess maybe. He was
interviewed on Playboy magazine.
I mean, I read it for
scientific purposes, not to see anything else.
But in the 1970s.
So Playboy magazine,
for those of you who do not know what
Playboy magazine is,
it's basically using modules like
for example PlayStation and Nintendo Switch.
So it's for
video gamers. It's called Playboy
magazine. So they have very
strong editorials there
that focuses on certain topics
like that. So when Steven Spielberg
made Close Encounters of a Third Kind,
there was a very strong editorial
done and interviewed with him.
So disclosure
is something that some people believe.
What I read is that somewhere in
2024, the governments of the world will be ready
to disclose
what's been happening with aliens.
Actually the year goes back further.
1996, then it became
1997, 1998, 1999.
That's never going to happen then.
It's never going to happen because it's been a long time
ago. Is that right? Yeah.
So it's like 1996 and 2000.
On that note, when we're talking about right now
Close Encounters of a Third Kind,
so let's talk about some of the famous
cases of Close Encounters, man.
Like Rendlesham for example.
So for those of you who are
fans of this topic,
those of you who are not fans,
you will now know something that happened
in 1980. Where were you
in 1980? December.
Okay, Rendlesham Forest is basically
a forest in England,
United Kingdom, that had
British
and American troops on it.
So they're sort of a shared base.
In the UK.
So I think it's under NATO or something like that.
So there was an incident
in the forest. A triangular object actually
landed there. There was no body
staying around there. So
in summary, it was recorded
on a tape recorder,
the whole incident by one of the sergeants
or the captains, I can't remember.
Captain. Yeah. Captain. Yeah. So they
went to investigate the lights and all that. So
it was a very intriguing case
because it is an isolated
case, but it is again by the military.
So
the whole incident happened in a military
thing. So it gives a lot
of weight to the story.
I won't dwell too much because
if I dwell too much, it will take up a lot of time.
So it happened that
they saw a craft,
they saw writings on the side of the craft,
they took it down, and then it has been
the stalwart for a lot of conferences
in the US
as to one of the very important cases.
That is
real.
And then they also had reports
written and given to the
higher ranks, higher ups.
Interestingly, I think this rendition forresting,
if I'm not mistaken, this is where
a popular ufologist
came about. He was
formerly working for the Ministry of Defense
for the UK. That's right. And he is right now
an ardent ufologist. It's amazing that someone
from the military, you know, who
is working in
the Ministry for Defense for the UK,
now one of those is advocating
the fact that let's stop covering up
UFOs. And that guy is Nick Pope. Yes,
Nick Pope.
So Nick Pope is one of those...
The son of the Randall Shum thing. Yes, yes.
So he is responsible for
actually, you know, that case
to sort of summarize that case
properly. Then of
course we have the other important
cases like the Phoenix Lights.
Phoenix again is over
Arizona. Arizona is in the
US, beautiful country.
I've never been there.
But it was spotted by thousands of people.
So this happened in somewhere in March
1997. So
there was a row of lights that was
huge that covered the whole of Phoenix.
What does that mean, a fleet?
I think it was maybe
a small fleet but it was just one
big radius of lights that came out
in the sky. Right.
It's triangular too.
Yeah, triangular was seen
later on as a
second fleet.
What? You mean there were two fleets? The first fleet was round.
Holy shit, a big one.
Then the second was a triangular one that was silent
and it was very close to the houses.
Because in the hilltops where people were staying,
residential houses, they saw this thing fly past.
And when they fly past,
they actually block the sky. You can't see
the stars or whatever at night.
And then it was very close to the ground.
So it's one of those cases again
was a mass sighting.
So according to
ufology studies, this is very important
because many people saw the same thing.
One very important scope is that
a military has to be involved like the Tic-Tac UFO
Randall Shum. Military people
involved. So it's credibility.
Second credibility is very
important. Mass. A lot of people saw it.
So this is
one of those very important
cases. So
within a span of two hours,
they saw this over
So there were two fleets, man.
Two different types of spacecraft.
Two different types.
Well, it sounds like an
invasion. Yeah, it sounds like an invasion.
Yeah. Geez.
Then the other ones are basically
which I would recommend to
go to YouTube if you're interested in this topic.
Look for Jamie Moussan.
Moussan, I can't remember his name.
J-A-I-M-E-M-A-U-S-S-A-N.
Okay, now,
he's a Brazilian researcher, but he
has one of the best video evidence
that happens in Brazil or South America.
Of all these sightings.
And people actually give it to him
because he's one of the main researchers.
They have a TV show in Mexico
or Brazil, I can't recall.
A weekly show where they talk about
cases like that. It's very open in the South
America. So when they have that,
you can see a lot of video evidence.
Some of them flying into the volcano,
some of them coming out, things like that.
So very interesting, very intriguing.
How about in Belgium?
There was something that happened there as well.
Oh yeah, there was a UFO wave in 89-90.
Within two years,
Belgians saw
a triangular shape UFO
all over.
You mean multiple ones?
Multiple ones, by many people again.
So the police
patrol cars were following this
object. People in the Air Force
were seeing them.
Airplanes were sent to intercept.
And then
general public saw these things.
What I'm seeing here is like
13,500 people saw.
13,500 people.
You can't be wrong.
So what happened is that they were hovering very low
in the sky. So people had a good look at them.
So again, it's an important
case. Because again,
it's a mess I think.
It's not a one-off. Like I saw it today in Tiong Bahru.
That kind of thing. I saw it in Bedok
South. Only I saw all
everyone else was too damn busy in
Singapore.
Basically, it's very contestable.
At least you can't contest because there's a lot of
witnesses.
I'm beginning to think,
if we've got a Phoenix
lights kind of sighting in Singapore,
I don't think a lot of people will even
notice. They will say
National Day is coming so fast. I think so.
National Day.
Why so late at night? How come so many
lights? And no sound.
Because Singapore,
I think the problem is we are a small country.
Number two, we have very heavy
light pollution. Yeah, I think so.
It's very bright. I mean, sometimes
I wish I look up into the sky, I can see
the Milky Way and Andromeda.
But you can't.
Because it's too bright. It's a very safe
country.
I mean, I'm not
saying anything. I'm sure we are.
We are.
It's very bright. So you can't see
much of the stars.
But then again, the UFOs,
if UFOs want to show themselves, I'm
pretty sure they would be brighter.
They would be brighter. More intelligent.
I don't know.
I don't know. As long as they don't
probe my ass.
Okay.
So those are the mass sightings.
Yeah, mass sightings. Close encounters.
Then for airplanes,
in general, I know a lot of pilots
have seen such
objects in the sky. I know of certain
people who have seen and told me
beforehand. You're talking about what?
Singaporean pilots. Yes, Singaporean pilots.
No way.
Really, really, really.
So I had
this is
not bullshitting.
Because this person actually
spoke to me. Not because he knew
I liked the subject, but it was just
out of, just really
out of the blue. He just told me, hey,
I was flying over the streets of Taiwan.
And I saw three objects
flying above my cockpit.
Do you believe that?
So I say, wow, what three objects? Birds.
I say, no, not so high.
He say, I saw a cube.
This big, flying above
my cockpit, the first one.
Then I saw a second cube
fly by, and a third one,
the size of four 747s.
Over...
Shit dude, sounds like Star Trek.
Any Trekkies out there,
you know, it's called the Borg, man.
The Borg Cube.
Transformers.
No, not Transformers, man. Come on.
This is the Borg, man.
You shall be assimilated, resistance is futile.
I am Optimus Sparrow.
So this guy, one of ours,
actually,
he's a commercial pilot.
Commercial pilot, right? So the name's all, I will not say.
But when he
landed in Taiwan,
they were asked, officially, would you like to do a report?
So he was not a senior
flight pilot.
There was a captain above him.
So the captain said, no, we didn't see anything.
No report is to be done.
So during that get together
with fellow pilots from different airlines,
so he brought it up
out of the sudden. You know, I was flying
over, we were flying, and we saw this object.
Have any of you seen? He was straight away
rebuked by his senior pilot.
I said, keep your mouth quiet. Was the
captain of his flight,
was he local? He's not local.
Ah, I see figures. Yeah.
I wonder,
this is an interesting point, I wonder
if, let's say, the captain was Singaporean,
and everyone on board, and the crew,
the flight crew, they are Singaporean.
And I wonder what
is the protocol for
our airlines, you know, and for
our pilots. I'm not
surprised. I mean, if you've got a
Westerner, who's his
captain, they've
grown up, they grew up with this, you know, they grew
up, not like us. We grew up with the
one-two stories, you know, the ghost
supernatural shit, right?
We don't talk about UFOs
and stuff. But for these
guys, coming from the West, they know that
don't talk about it, otherwise, you know, you're just going to be
in the shit, better don't, you know?
Culturally, they're like that, right?
But I wonder if they're all Singaporeans, including the
captain. What would
they have, would they just, you know, would they be
flapping their lips and going, you know,
and going, you know, hey guys, guess what?
We saw three cubes flying
past our cockpit, man.
I guess maybe they were.
They don't see any harm in that.
I don't know. I don't know what our protocol is in
Singapore. I mean, what happens if
we're on the street and we
see a fleet of UFOs in the sky?
What do we do?
Would we call a cop? I mean, that's what
the citizens would do, right? They would call a cop, right?
And what would the reaction be like?
I've always wondered about that stuff.
I think very big panic
and fear. Yeah, in this country?
In this country. Really? Yes, because I feel
that there will not be a sense of
wonderment. Wow. No, it won't be,
but there'll be a sense of like
you know, I'm going to speak in Hokkien.
I'll translate it for you. Hey,
what's that?
Hokkien is a dialect, Chinese dialect.
And
they're going to go there, you know, they're going to say
that. Then after that, I suppose
they're just going to forget. Yeah, they're going to forget.
Yeah, because you're going to
catch the MRT back. So
that is very pragmatic.
We're just so distracted, man. No, no, no, no.
I think not about being pragmatic.
I think we're just distracted, man.
We're distracted by too many things.
Yeah, we're just distracted. Yeah. Okay, let's
move on from there.
So this is crazy. I mean,
three cubes, man. Three cubes, yeah. And then
I have not finished the description. He was telling me
it's a
cube, you know, ridiculous, right? I mean,
as we know, in physics, a cube
cannot just fly. But around the
cube was like
other smaller objects flying
around the cube. Oh. Yeah.
So this is a cube and there was other things flying
around it. Right. Yeah. So the thing
is that he says he will never forget
it. But at that time, there were
no digital cameras. Right.
This was quite a while back. No iPhones.
No iPhones, I think. So you have to use those kind of lenses
but they don't carry back
DSLR onto the
cockpit. So they saw the thing.
Right. We can just take
the word for it. Yeah, just take the word for it.
Yeah. Okay. So one case that was
actually, I think,
very similar but not that similar was
in 1986. Right.
Japan Airlines. Something out of America now.
Japan Airlines flight 1628.
1628. Yes. It was flying from
Paris to Tokyo, okay, when crew
members spotted several UFOs.
So the crew called in
through, they saw
these multiple things and then they
made an emergency landing in Alaska
which is Anchorage,
part of the thing.
So the thing is that the ground crew
had evidence. Right.
They were being followed. Right.
This thing was huge. According to them,
if we know that 747 is a plane,
but we also know that
according to them, it's like
200 times the size
of it. Next to it, it's a very, very
big one. 200 times.
Yeah. I'm trying to
figure this out in my brain.
Do we have an image of that?
Did we pop it up just now, Kai?
Of the Japan Airlines flight
1628?
Drum roll. Yeah, that's the one.
Yeah, that's the one. Correct.
Okay. So that's the craft. Can we just leave it up
for a bit, please?
Okay. Yeah. So this was
the craft that they saw. It's really very big.
Right. I mean,
it was observed, it was reported.
It was drawn out, as you can see here.
And the best part is that it was captured on
radar in
Alaska.
So this is again a very
famous case because there is multiple
witnesses and ground radar
being tracked. So
you cannot say that it didn't happen.
It was based on word of mouth. But
because they actually tracked and they have the data
for this. But why did they make
an emergency landing
in Alaska? I think because
they couldn't fly
anymore. I think maybe out of fear
or a fear of accident. I see.
Of basically engagement. So basically
out of being kiasu. Yeah.
For safety reasons. Right. Okay.
Safety reasons. Fine. Thanks. I was looking for that word.
I got only thing of kiasi.
Safety. Flight
safety. It's a seat belt.
Okay.
Right.
Are we getting stuck somewhere now?
No, no. We're not getting stuck.
Just to mention, these are the famous
cases with evidence. For
those new people who are listening
to this podcast or watching this.
And if you're really very
interested after hearing the guru talk
about all this, I really
like to know more about this.
Randall Schoenforrest incident.
The Belgian UFO wave.
The Phoenix lights.
The Japan Airlines flight 1628
1628. Of course, you
can have the current Pentagon videos.
Tic Tac UFOs. These are all
evidence based sightings that
have a lot of support. But you missed
out the close
encounter of the fourth kind for
Betty and Barney Hill. Yes.
Correct. Betty and Barney Hill was one of
the first reported cases
where they were abducted
onto a UFO.
They were driving home. I think
from one state in Canada
to the US
going home on a night drive.
They were being followed by
a craft. So this craft followed
them for a while and then they stopped
ahead of the car. When
Barney came out with a
binoculars and he
saw this craft was round
and he saw alien creatures
on the windows of the craft.
And they actually spoke to him.
Passengers. Oh they spoke to him. Yeah.
Telepathically. What did they say? They said
please don't leave. We need you. Something like that.
Something happened. So he ran back to the car.
He go back to the car. He sped off.
But the thing is that they couldn't remember because
the next thing they remembered
was daytime because this incident happened at night.
So it was daytime. They had missing time.
Missing time meaning that they cannot recall
what happened during this period of time.
So then they went about their daily
activities and then they started to
have flashbacks. Hey!
Now that you mentioned this man, I don't know
whether you've read this before. Decades
ago when we were in
I think it was in the 90s.
Yeah somewhere in the 90s.
I remember this and
I read it man. I read
it somewhere in one of our newspapers.
I'm not kidding. It was
a small story. It was like
put it in the corner somewhere in a newspaper.
There was this guy
that was driving home in Singapore
on the PIE. Oh I heard about this.
Oh you have huh? Yeah. And somewhere
between I think Bedok
and
Bedok and
Campanies. There was
a lapse of time. Yes. And all of a sudden
he landed much further away.
Like he said what just happened?
Yeah. Who knows man?
He may have been abducted.
Abducted and put back in his car.
I remember this one. I think it's in the 1980s or even
earlier 1970s. No no no no.
I don't think it was earlier man. So it was the car
incident. Yeah yeah yeah.
All of a sudden there was a
lapse of time and he was very quickly
somewhere else. Yeah. Right yeah.
So the time machine. Yeah man.
Geez. Not time machine dude.
He may have been abducted, got
his butt probed and put back down
together with his car. Yeah correct. And his foot and pedal
too. Yeah maybe. Same clothes on.
Yeah same clothes man. Yeah like right now
you and I still same clothes from last week to now. Yeah correct.
Right here we go. We have missing time. Yes that's right.
So when they went through this missing time incident
they
went through
to see a doctor to understand
what's happening to them. They're getting very edgy. Right.
They're getting a lot of flashbacks but
they cannot identify what is bothering them.
And then that's where they went through
hypnotic regression. Here we go again.
And this was the very first I think
publicized one that was done. And that was
where the whole story came out. Right. And so
what happened? What did they say?
They were taken aboard
the plane. They were taken aboard
the plane. The craft.
And then they were what they
call medically examined.
Without their clothes on. Right. On a cold table.
Right. And they were told not to
worry we're not here to harm you. Right.
And then it's quite disgusting
if you go through this. It's basically
medical things
which were unknown to us were probed
into their body. Right. Like
for example
the normal cases would be the probe into the ovaries.
Oh dear. To remove ovaries from
a woman. From men it would be
sucking out his sperm.
Right. That kind of thing. So it's quite
gross and it's very frightening actually for people
who go through this. Yeah. That's why this abduction
case is not something true. So what are you doing this for?
Like what you said in the last episode, the last
part of this episode, the first part
of this episode, when you said that
for what they need to inseminate
they need to have. Yes.
To regrow their, part of the
thing that they went through this abductees
when they go through regression, some of them
are told why they are doing
this to them. Okay. Because
their race or their culture
or whatever, in that planet is dying.
Right. Yeah. So they are here
to take our DNA for reproductive
purposes. Right. Yeah.
So of course these kind of things, when I
first read it a long time ago I was like, wow
really man, it's cool man.
But after reading many times I become
like, the narrative is a bit science fiction.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean I try to
understand this but I also try to be a
skeptic of this. Some things you can really
Yeah but it's so, apparently
apparently, I'm going to really sound like I got a freaking quack again.
There are about 30, what 32 races
of aliens so far discovered.
Yeah that's the thing, sometimes I laugh you know, because
it's so easy to just quote a number
the amount as
the tall, the greys. The greys, the tall
then you got the tall
the Scandinavian
looking type, the Nordics, the Nordics
the reptilians, the
Arcturians. Yes, correct. So
according to eyewitnesses, they have
the very beautiful aliens, they look like
Swedish. I don't mind one actually.
There's a band called ABBA.
ABBA, they look
like ABBA. Yeah. So when they can't say
Dancing Queen but they are a gay band right?
So
so that's one.
Then there's one that looks like
insects, praying mantis.
And some of them looks like a crocodile
or like a lizard person.
They call it the reptilians. And then some of the
greys. Like the old sci-fi show
V. Yeah, correct. And
many, many others. So sometimes you ask
yourself, are these real? Are these
people just off the cuff
saying things like that?
Then it gets into the New Age
thing. Nothing against New Age but some
of the beliefs or these things like that.
So it gets very cloudy. The
UFO topic loses
its scientific endeavor.
The evidence to prove it.
But people do say yes, there is a
list of them. They're here
everywhere. And some of them say they're already in society
living with us. Don't you think so?
I guess maybe only
in the US.
Because the climate there
is better.
Actually,
funny you should say that
because everywhere I read about this
all the reptilians are here and they've invaded
our bodies. You know,
then if you take a look closely the eyes change.
You see the eyes, see the true eyes
turn up. The lizard eyes
come up. And then it's always
about their own government officials.
There was even one time
the Brits thought that it was a queen.
That was, you know, jeez.
That's a very
big otter in the UK.
Some people call me a quack bot.
David Icke. I-C-K-E.
So this guy, he says that the
bloodline of the royal family
comes from a reptilian race
of people which come to me
when I am asleep one
night and then they tell me
that the queen
is actually a reptile.
Things like that.
So it destroys
credibility.
And that's why you mention these people
saying you're a quack bot.
But then again, you know, it's so damn far fetched.
But then again, a lot of things
we've been talking about that seems
fascinating to us also seem quite far fetched.
It's very hard to draw a line.
Which means that
moving on to our next topic, which is
Solar Warden, I think this is
really, really, really
far fetched. Say for
the fact that the guy
who spilled his guts about
this, I mean
he is quite
the hacker.
To the point
where, okay I let you tell the story.
So you know
see the evolution of the stories of
about aliens and blah blah blah
has stretched so far like a
rubber band that now we have this
topic called the
Secret Space Program.
What is that? Yeah, Secret Space Program. That means
okay I'll just maybe start from the beginning.
There's this
hacker called Gary McKinnon.
For those of you who are, who
watch the news regularly,
you will know he's a hacker who hacked into US
computers.
So he went into the Space Command computers
several years ago and learned the
existence of non-terrestrial
officers. The meaning is
non-terrestrial officers was
printed on a form. Not from this earth.
Not from this earth. And one more
called fleet to fleet transfers.
So these two words were found
non-terrestrial officers and fleet to fleet transfers.
And a secret
space program called Solar Warden.
The Sun, Solar Warden.
He
was charged by the Bush Justice Department
for having committed the biggest
military computer hack of all time.
Yeah, I mean, I think MI5
came down real hard on him. Yes, correct.
For a hacker, you know.
I mean, hackers is a hacker.
It was all over the BBC at the time. Yeah, but this is
like the topic, I mean the content
was too heavy. That's why they had to charge him.
Because normally a hacker
can hack video games and all that.
Nobody will come. But this is the
topic. So
they're trying to arrest him in an open
court. But his attorney
cannot, sort of
would be able to subpoena government
officials to testify under oath
that they have this space fleet.
That means they cannot touch
him. Because if they touch him, they will
have to admit that we
have such a fleet. According to
him, that there is
they have eight cigar-shaped
motherships. The US
government owns. Okay. Okay.
They are basically each
longer than two football fields end to end.
Yep. And they are basically
have about three
hundred personnel
involved in a facility.
Okay.
So it's comprised of many countries.
Canada, United Kingdom, Italy,
Austria, Russia
and Australia. Wow. So they are basically
doing this, what
you call, black projects. Now black
project means the money coming from
the tax payers money. Right.
But parked into a special
so called special project. Right.
And from there they build things like that.
Right. But does this mean, okay
this US naval
network, this, that time when Gary
McKinnon, you know, spilled his
guts about this.
And then now
this years later, right?
I mean when Trump was president
and that dipshit
started, yeah.
Space force, right? Yeah, space force. Yeah.
I mean was he spooked enough as a president
then to start something like
space force. However
maybe open this up, you know,
maybe open this up to the public. It was attempting
to open this up to the public. I don't know.
But come on.
Here we have Elon Musk
on his own as a commercial project
working on SpaceX. Right.
And then we have
NASA
having dropped off so many bovors
on Mars. Right.
And man wanting to go to Mars
and stuff. But right
now what we're saying is for many, many,
many, many years we've got
our own bloody
fleet. Fleet.
Of mother ships.
Cigar shape at that
as well. Just like some alien
spacecraft that people have spotted.
So this
spacecraft can travel, I mean
anything that you've read
about that could travel, what,
light years or almost.
Travel to any planet. They already have
treaties. That's the best part.
Alien beings. Excuse me?
Cosmic alliances? We are like a cosmic
what do you call that? The freaking
federation. Federation. Earth
is on, see, that's
how far fetched it blows up. Space, the
final frontier. These are the voyages of
oh my goodness me. Yeah, correct.
And that is another big threat
in threat. As in T-H-R-E-A-D
in a UFO
field in, again in America.
Because you don't find this in any other country.
They will talk about this, they are
officers there, but under hypnosis
they remember they were officers,
they shot down some aliens.
But you know, I mean, you know,
US, Canada, UK, Italy,
Austria, Russia
in Australia. I mean,
dude,
I mean, what,
this whole thing about oh you know, they can't
get along, you know,
Russia and the US, they can't
get along, but their
partners, I mean,
all this is what, farcical or what?
It's an iron, irony.
I mean, I don't know man, I still think it's
kind of far-fetched. You know, this
solar warden thing, I mean, what are they doing? What did they form
that for? I mean, for what reason? What purpose? Are we going to
war somewhere in space? I mean, who?
What? Space exploration.
You know, but the thing is this,
the
Starship troopers. Starship troopers, you know, things like that.
It's very funny because the topic is
so big. So, you know, as a,
if you're really interested in this topic, you got to really,
really see the real from the fake.
Go into the rabbit hole.
Yeah, you got to remove certain things.
I mean, that's my take on it
because if you want to believe everything, it's ridiculous.
Yeah.
Yeah, so solar warden is one of them.
And people do swear by this.
They say, yes, it happens, blah, blah, blah.
You know, so, again,
there's a different school of thought. Yeah.
So, who do you believe? What to believe?
So, I always believe that
you got to have the few sightings, like
it is basically admitted
by the military.
You really did see something with evidence.
Mass sighting, a lot of you have seen it
before. These are basically things I'm
interested in. Of course,
word of mouth by people who are very
trustworthy amongst your community,
friends or family
members who you can
trust. And they say they saw something. You know what I hoped
for one day? So that people would just
shut the hell up and really believe
that we are not alone. Yes.
And that the truth is out there. Yes. It's really
out there when you have
thousands of these ships
hover
low, low
over all the world
cities. Yeah. But that's
when we're probably screwed. Yeah, we'll be screwed.
Yeah. Probably
we're going to be so screwed and then happen
shit. Yeah. But then people start
to believe. Yeah.
So as you can see, this
podcast you're doing on this topic
is not a very easy topic to handle.
It's not. Yeah. Because there's a
lot of branches out
from the same topic. Lots of threads.
And then the irony is that
a lot of these threads come from only one
country. It's not supported by
many other countries. So sometimes you
tend to ask yourself, is this really
a very... Or distraction by the
US. You know, is this very
American thing or is it happening around the world?
Yes. Like recently, right? When
Biden ordered the
so-called China balloons,
spy balloons to be shot down. Correct.
And then after that, the pilots
are saying that the DT can't tell what it was,
blah, blah, blah. People started speculating.
Maybe... Some people were saying
also that... Were speculating also
that the Americans
did that as a distraction
from certain things like
Biden's having issues,
right? The scandal that's happening. Yeah, correct.
And blah, blah, blah. You know?
And to take that... Or take them to just distract
them from anything that the US government may
plan to be doing. Yes.
You know? And because Americans are
so susceptible to these sort of fascinating,
sensational stories that they'll
be distracted, right? Yeah. So in American
media, from what I know, they feed
each other. It's like an ecosystem.
So there is no third party
kind of
stand alone and say... You know,
I mean, that sounds kind of plausible.
Then finally,
before we end, finally, we end the
UFO episode. But you know, I would love to have
some more chats with you about this.
You're always welcome to come back to the studio.
Let's talk about
TR3.
Okay. TR3,
it's the latest
character in the Star Wars
trilogy. No, I'm just kidding.
Okay. TR3
is a triangular object.
Here we go again. Triangle.
Triangle, okay. It's a triangle object in the first
Belgian wave.
There we see it on screen. In the 1990s.
So a lot of
people have said that this is a special project
that is done by the, again,
the US government in Area
51. So you, wait, wait.
So what you're saying is that that triangular
craft that
people have been seeing, like
forever, is manmade.
Get the fuck out
of here, dude. So wait, so the
Phoenix lights made up
a triangular object, the second fleet,
right? Could be
their very own... Yeah, it's a US
what they call it,
special plane. But it's either stupid
or ballsy of the whoever it is
in charge of that freaking program, if it's true.
To fly over a
major freaking city like Phoenix,
right? Yes, correct. That's right.
So they named this TR3
because
many enthusiasts there,
they try to follow and see what
developments they're doing for the latest
I think, I would say,
fighter planes or whatever.
Like the B-52s previously and all that.
Or the shape, you know. Not the B-52s, sorry. What's it called now?
The freaking... The stealth
bomber and fighter.
So after the stealth bomber and fighter, the shape, as you can see,
is really unique. It's triangular shaped.
So then this is the next progression.
Boomerang, yeah. Yeah, boomerang, yeah.
So this is the one. And the
other is the B-52.
But come on, come on. Those...
Like for example, the stealth
bomber and fighter, right?
Those
aircraft look different. Yeah. But
they were boomerang shaped, but
they had jet propulsion engines.
Yes, correct. But what I would
like to say about this
triangular shaped craft
is that it's got no sound.
Yes, it's silent. It's completely silent.
Yes. Right?
What kind of propulsion does it work?
If it's American,
if it's truly the TR-3
and built by Americans,
right? How did that happen?
Yeah. They say it's reverse
engineering. They caught the craft
in Roswell and many other places.
Right? And then what they do is that
they studied through the years, through the decades,
of how this energy system
works. So they found anti-gravity. So they found anti-gravity
and they put it into this plane using
black budgets. But how they discovered
it, they don't work together as a group.
They split the technology up
to the various aerospace industries.
Right. Some of them is owned by
Robert Bigelow, which we forgot to mention,
but we don't have time.
It's about that ranch. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
We are going to talk about that ranch.
Sorry, man. It's going to drag on just
a little bit more bare with us. But you got to
listen about Skinwalker Ranch. Yes.
So the technology has been split up. Bigelow?
Bigelow, you know. Who is he?
Bigelow is a billionaire
who basically likes to
discover new sources of technology
so that he can build his aerospace
industry. He's something like
Elon Musk.
But how come that he's so little
known in the world? He's
little known because, again, I mentioned
this defense contracts they give to them.
So they split the craft up.
This part of the propulsion goes
to you. That part of the lights go to another
person. But you do not know they come from a craft.
They just say, I'll give you this award, the US
government. I'll give you the award. You do
for me and study and see what you can do from
this material. So they
break it down. That's how they build optic
fibers and touch screens.
Fiber optics. Sorry.
So that's the story. So coming to
Bigelow because I suddenly remember about the Skinwalker
Ranch. So it's basically a
ranch. Now, if you have a history channel,
I would advise you to go and see.
You will get to understand
what is the Skinwalker Ranch.
It's a ranch in America in Utah
where there's a lot of strange things
happening.
I don't know how to describe
it. Geez, look at that shit, man.
It looks freaky, man. It's not a haunted
house, by the way. You see it's not a haunted house.
It's a very big area.
What happens is that they find
strange occurrences by
scientists. That means they set up
a lot of equipment across the
whole ranch to capture temperature,
radiation,
to capture visual sightings. They see a lot
of UFOs there. They see a lot
of strange ops
in the night.
A lot of things break down suddenly.
They found an object
underneath a mesa,
something like a rock formation, mountain formation,
a hill formation, made of rocks.
They find something underneath that. So it's an
ongoing documentary,
sort of documentary
drama on history channel.
So what happened? Okay, so Skinwalker
Ranch, let me get this right,
was started by Bigelow?
No, Skinwalker Ranch,
what happened was it was just a normal ranch.
Sold to a couple.
The couple then had strange things
happening on the ranch.
They saw certain things.
So Bigelow came and says, I would like
to buy over your ranch. Because of all these strange occurrences.
Because they were selling it.
They couldn't do the cattle mutilation and all that.
So he came, he bought over the ranch.
So he found that
he could do something on the ranch by studying
these strange phenomena. Because he believed that it happened there.
So he brought in a team of scientists,
professional scientists, and this is
where they set up all these observation
points and data observation
points to find. But after a period of
time, he sold it to another
person, which is one of the biggest
real estate person in Utah.
So he bought it over, and
what happened was that all
the studies that they made, they had no solutions.
They could only record
the incidences that happened there.
But there was no explanation how it happened.
Like vortex
dropped in temperature
during summer.
Sudden drop in
temperature of a certain place. It became
like minus, very cold.
So now this new
team that went in, they found certain other
things by using the latest
surveillance
technology. Ground penetrating
radar, etc.
Even balloons that can
capture certain things. So they found even more
anomalies in that area.
So it's interesting because
whenever the anomaly happens,
they see something in the sky.
That's where the UFO link comes in.
It's a flying object. It will just
dart off.
For everybody to see, then it darts off.
Wow. So this is like a
hotspot. It's a hotspot.
It's a hotspot for the paranormal.
Wow.
Man, goodness me, man.
Wow.
So it's good to see that, that if you have
subscribed to the History Channel,
you can see this ongoing.
There's also lots of those.
Lots of stories, videos
on YouTube.
About Skinwalker Ranch, man.
Well, that's about all we can do for this
whole episode, man.
Thanks so much. My goodness.
Two Parties with Ignatius
Bong. It's been, I mean, this
guy is a wealth of information where this is
concerned. And honest to, honest to goodness,
if we could certify this guy somehow,
you know, as
our own
Singapore ufologist.
He should be certified too because he knows a
lot as well. Not as much as you,
man. No, man. You know a lot, man.
Not as much as you, man. I mean, I'm being schooled
today. I'm being schooled today.
Thank you so much again, Bong, for being with
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