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All my creativity stolen by somebody else. But in the end I said, hey, imitation is the best form of flattery man.

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The game is good, that's why they're using it.

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Hi everyone and welcome to this episode of the Chris Hansen conversation. I have with me someone rather extraordinary.

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And I really mean that. Simply because, you know, I have been an MC for a very, very, very, very long time.

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Stopping short of the fifth very, but four verys I think quite enough to really describe and express how long I've been doing this.

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And you know, I've been quite a critique.

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Well, some fellow MCs would probably hate me for saying this shit, but I'm going to tell you, I am quite the cynic, I'm quite the critique.

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And if I have someone who's also a fellow MC seated with me in my studio for this show, it only goes to prove one thing, that this guy is that damn fucking good.

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And that's the reason why he's here with me. And I have with me and I call him the MC extraordinaire, Cyril Lim. Welcome to the studio.

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Hey Chris, thanks for having me man.

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Hey anytime my friend and you as I said, and I meant every word I said, let me tell you man, I have seen MCs and I have seen MCs, but dude, you have got it all.

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Thank you for the kind words. I don't know about having it all, but to me, I mean, I've been blessed.

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Okay, I mean, it's been a long career. If you talk about very, very, very, I probably can add two more verys to your four or five.

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I've had a decent career. I've had the chance to entertain people and then make decent money and it's given me quite a good living.

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I don't work every day. I get to work, I get to travel. So I'm glad I have the talent to be able to do that.

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And in fact, before coming on your show today, I worked again. It's good to have worked after.

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On May Day.

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May Day where people rest, I work. But I'm happy to have worked. I mean, you know, I mean, you're an MC.

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So you know our plight because of the past, what the pandemic.

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The pandemic, yeah.

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I mean, basically we had no work for quite a bit and now I tell people I'm happy to have worked.

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So it's okay to labor on Labor Day.

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It's always good to do.

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Okay, today is the first of May. Today that we're shooting this episode is the first of May.

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Just so you guys know.

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Yep.

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Okay. And on Labor Day, you labor and New Year's Eve, you labor.

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Not really.

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Oh really?

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Not really. I mean, in the past, yes. But I kind of think these days, I mean, New Year's Eve,

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there are a lot more, I don't know, street parties and parties like on the beach and all that.

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So the only people really kind of doing New Year's Eve parties maybe are the associations and the hotels.

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And then for, the truth is for the longest time, I've always thought that the New Year's Eve gig is the harder gig to do

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because, hey, look, say a normal corporate gig, what time would it end?

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What time does it end these days as people don't dance anymore?

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Yeah, and just corporate gig, corporate gig. Don't say DND, corporate gig.

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Okay, corporate gigs. Okay. Now there's a differentiation now. It's called corporate gigs.

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See, that's how long I've been out of the game.

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All right.

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Okay. So corporate gigs probably, I would think somewhere in the tune of about say 10, 10.30.

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Yeah, you got it spot on. Sometimes even nine plus because we're talking about people coming into work.

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They start early, you know, those like retailers and partners sometimes they have these.

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So maybe even 9.45, 10. But you got it around the ballpark 10, 10.30.

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You talk about, I mean, hey, what's standard for some MCs, the DNDs, the dinner and dances.

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Way back then, hey man, you could even work till midnight in a midnight draw, but these days is less.

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So these days, I would say even these DNDs, the N10 plus 11, hardly.

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But there's a D now. There's no second D there. It's a dinner, no dance, man.

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That's a joke. I heard it from other MCs, maybe even it was Justin.

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It's no longer, hey guys, it's not a dinner and draw, but it's a dinner and dance.

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But you know, people don't dance. You mean it's not a dinner and dance, but a dinner and draw.

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It's the other way around, right? We're trying to tell people, please, guy, DND stands for dinner and dance, not dinner and draw.

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Okay, come on. No draw and go home. Stay and dance.

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Why do you think that's a phenomenon today?

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I think maybe because the kids and all, I mean, kids, they want to hang out with maybe when they go out,

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you know, to the clubs and all that. That's one thing.

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The other is unless it's a smaller crowd where everybody knows everybody and then the culture, then yes, maybe.

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Well, I've had Kenneth Mark and Party Man with me on one of my episodes.

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And it's clearly quite a phenomenon because people don't party the way they used to party.

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They don't party that hard anymore. Maybe drink, yeah, but party, really, really party.

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So, I mean, even in the club scene, man, I don't know whether that's really happening,

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whether people are really dancing, you know, having a great time on the dance floor.

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I don't know because I've not been out to a club for a while now.

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I mean, the only time I've been probably was to, you know, where you talked about Party Man because, you know,

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when he always has some program running and sometimes one of my personal DJ spins there,

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I go in support, but I leave at 10 plus because these days, no choice, man.

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I got to wake up at 5.30 to send my son to school.

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You, me, both. You, me, both, man. 5.30 in the morning, man. We're up, right?

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So, coming back to this, I want to, so it ends 10 plus 11.

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And I find New Year's Eve always, you have to work till at least about 1 a.m.

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Because first and foremost, you got to get to New Year's, which is midnight, right?

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You got to get to New Year's, which is midnight, countdown.

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And then after that, with the online sign, you still want them to party a little bit.

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And maybe there's a draw at the end of it all. I don't know.

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Okay. So, that you got to work hard till about, I don't know, minimum 12.30 a.m., 1 a.m.

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Then, then I say, on New Year's Eve, everything costs at least double.

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Right? So, you're talking about your sound system. People, they'll cost double.

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The performers will cost double. So, so.

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So, is your fee.

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So, my fee. So, I agree. But you see, most of the time, sometimes, hey, we've got Cyril.

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He's a game machine, right? And then we have him and him alone.

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And I got no performers, no nothing.

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And you do the whole night.

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And I've got to do the whole night. And you sweat.

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Because imagine people coming in at 7.30.

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And you, and say, dinner, eight, eight, dinner starts.

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Right? So, 8.30.

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8.30, 9.30, 10.30, 11.30 to 12.

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I mean, okay, let's, let's, let's just say it till 11.30.

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Because half an hour, you put them on a dance floor.

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To usher in the New Year.

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That's a lot of games.

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Yeah, well, yeah. But you know, it's, it's, to me, sitting here, listening to what you,

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what you just said.

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I, I wonder what I've been doing wrong, man.

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Because you know why? For almost, I mean, it's been what, 30, God, 30 plus years I've

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And, and, you know, I mean, of course, not as much as I used to.

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Okay, by choice.

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Yep.

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By choice.

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But hey, you know, my average gig, yeah.

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I am the only performer, like, nine out of ten.

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And, and I play games, right.

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I do the protocol part of the program, the early, start of the night, followed by games.

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From your group games to your couple games to your individual games.

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Then I sing.

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And I do the draws.

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And my, the average time I would end the show, it's two in the morning.

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That's why you see you've got talent.

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You can bloody sing.

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That's not the point.

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You can't sing.

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The point is, is that I, I, when I see the other performers in the program, I go, thank

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goodness for that, right.

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Because it takes a lot of labor off me.

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But that was quite, there wasn't many of those, you know, back, way back when.

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We used to just go on and on and on and on, man.

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So I agree.

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I'm like same with you.

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So, and performances, let me give me my, my, my take on it.

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Performances also sometimes is hit and miss.

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You bring a crowd to a certain level.

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You need at least a decent performer coming in that keeps the crowd at that level or brings

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That is easy for you to carry on.

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Easy for the work.

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Imagine you have a performer come in and bam.

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The whole thing comes down.

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That performer or the team I've had, and you thought, you know, some dance and then they

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come in and then, you know, they're crap.

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You've got to start building the crowd, the atmosphere all over again.

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All over again.

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So that's why it's hit and miss.

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And then what I'm saying is New Year's Eve, I work harder.

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Then I decided, then I decided, hey, I, I should just charge premium.

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So I, I used to charge premium.

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I mean, I, because my, my rate can go up to like five figures.

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And so for many years, nobody hired me.

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And then now that is the time of the year.

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I kind of go on holiday.

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So you bring the rates up so no one would want to take you in.

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No, no, no, no.

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I put it out there, man.

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My premium is there.

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You want me to work?

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Well, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So if people, if someone was willing to pay zero lim, the fee that you're asking for,

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for New Year's Eve, you would work.

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I would.

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You would work.

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So you say, you'll kiss goodbye to the holiday.

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No, I'll come back on the 30th, man.

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So my holidays, so, so, so, so this also is different from back then.

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Back then on, even on Christmas, you, you get gigs.

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There were, there were companies that had Christmas day parties.

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On Christmas day.

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But more and more, the corporate companies will never, will rarely do anything during

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All the bosses take leave.

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So even Christmas parties are a little bit before Christmas.

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Yeah, but you do Christmas parties.

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I don't.

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You don't.

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Me too.

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Christmas parties, if they are like, I don't know, a week before Christmas.

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But on Christmas day.

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No, that's my favorite time of the year.

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I refuse shows on Christmas day.

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I don't know.

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I've always been away.

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I've always been away, man.

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I've always made it a point though.

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You know, Christmas Eve, Christmas day, I don't do gigs.

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Though admittedly there were the odd one or two occasions that I did for, that I have

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for Christmas Eve at least, but Christmas day, no way.

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Yeah, no way.

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No, no way.

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New Year's Eve, we have begged for it, man.

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Used to beg for it because as you said, you know, premium rates.

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And it's New Year's Eve, so why the hell not?

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But I'm, I'm, I'm curious because you know, we've had our conversations before, of course,

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off camera, and you said that by nature, you're an introvert.

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I have to correct you.

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In the beginning.

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Did I read you wrong?

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No, no, no, no.

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All I'm saying is when I was a lot younger, you know, I was, I was super extrovert.

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Which I feel that's me.

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You know, I've always wanted to be the life of the party.

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I was always, you know, I was always, I was always huge in the dancing, you know.

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So if I'm in a club and my song comes out, I could be on the stage, I could be on the

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bar, you know, because I know I kind of move good and people, you know, so I mean, I wasn't

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that good a looker, but I move well, so people look at me.

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I've always been that way.

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But because of the nature of my job, which is now 30 odd years, you know, so now I'm

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a bit different, you know, because at your job, you are, you have to be the life of the

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party.

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You have to be that guy.

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You have to be the man.

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Right.

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So much so that these days when, when in my off time, more often than not, I'm a little

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bit more laid back.

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Laid back, huh?

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Laid back now.

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It's called getting old.

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Why the hell am I on this stupid podcast?

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I come here and I get, I get called old.

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Fuck that bro.

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It's about getting old.

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Okay.

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I mean, it's like, you feel like you want to move.

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You go, even if you, if you listen to a good song, you feel like you want to move, but

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you're like, fuck that, I'm not going to move.

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Right.

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This was, this was going on.

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That's kind of true, because I still can party like a rock star, but the next day you see

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me walking.

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Exactly.

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I look like an old fart.

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I don't know, man.

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You walk in these legs are aching, feet are going, you know, that kind of shit.

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So when you, but what made you, honestly, I mean, let's, let's go to the beginning.

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Okay.

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Sure.

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The life of Cyril Lim, the story is that you must have.

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Okay.

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From the time, I know for a fact that you were, you were an SGI boy.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Let me correct that.

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Okay.

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It's the same thing for all Asalians.

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Okay.

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Once an SGI boy, always an SGI boy.

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Am I right?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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So I always a sin fans boy, that doesn't change.

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But from there, after that, when you started life, did you, I mean, talk about, let's talk

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about school.

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After SGI, what do you do?

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Where do you go?

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Well, I made it to junior college somehow.

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No shit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, and.

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I'm only fucking with you.

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Okay.

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Which, which JC was that?

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Catholic Junior College.

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Oh, you were in CJ.

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I was in CJ.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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I was in CJ.

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I'm not going to go for it in that.

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Not bad at all.

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You were in CJC and then you got your A levels.

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CJC was the, was the peak of my life, bro.

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It's been downhill since then.

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What?

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That's the truth.

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Okay.

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When you say downhill, it's downhill academically.

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Both.

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I mean, I think that's a high point of my life.

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I mean, maybe if I made it to the university, but I didn't, I mean, but, but CJ, I was like,

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man, I was super jock.

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I was school soccer captain.

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I played rugby for school, a canoe for school.

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Wow.

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I ran for school.

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Jock, man.

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I'm not going to tell you the girls who leave messages on the board, but back then I was

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a, back then I was a one girl man.

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Oh, stupid me.

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Anyway, so it's been downhill since then.

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So you didn't go to university.

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No, man.

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What happened after that?

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What was life like after that?

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So I, okay.

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Within, I mean, hey, within the year ended and within a few months I was, I was conscripted

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into the army, NS.

329
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Yeah, yeah, of course.

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Yeah, so NS came and then, and then because my story is my dad passed away when I was

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really, really young.

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Okay.

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And it's, and it's, it's based on football as well.

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He was queuing up to buy some pre-Olympic, I don't know, some tickets at national stadium

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at Kalang, you know, and then somehow there was a, there was a massive crowd.

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People push and shove.

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He fell over.

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He had a heart attack.

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He passed away at 33.

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Oh my Lord.

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That's young.

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Look, I mean, look, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

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look, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm 55 now.

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Right.

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So I, so you can't imagine I was primary three.

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The age my boy is now.

347
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Yeah.

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So, so, so with that, and then my mom was a housewife.

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Came out to work.

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So, so thinking back then, you know, I couldn't make it to any university.

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I ended with my, with the, you know, the financial status of my family.

352
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Right.

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There's no way I can go overseas and all that.

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And I just say, Hey, then I kind of did well.

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I went to OCS.

356
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Okay.

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Kind of did well there.

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wanted to sort. Back then, I mean, back then only the top 10% or top, I don't know.

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Sword winner.

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Well, your sword winner. So, I mean it changed. I mean, I know back then only the

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sword winners got sword winners. Then after that, a few batches later, all

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officers got swords.

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Got a sword, yeah.

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So, I was a sword winner. So, I thought, hey, why don't I, you know, become a career soldier?

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I signed on.

366
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Okay, so you became a regular.

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I became a regular.

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An officer. You signed on.

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I signed on, yes.

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Okay.

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So, that took me to, I mean, I was an instructor in OCS. I became like, I was, I did a tour as a staff officer, career counselor in Army Recruitment Center.

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And then also I was like a company to IC in the guards and all that. So, that was my career.

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And then somehow, after reaching about six years, you know, after the end, I mean, my story was

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longer. Normal people sign six years. I signed a short term three year contract at the end of my NS.

375
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Was there such a thing then?

376
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Yeah. Yeah. So, I was at the end of my two and a half years.

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Right.

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Then they offered me, but I thought, I'll take, I don't know how it feels to become a regular.

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I thought I'd do a short contract.

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Right.

381
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Three years, which I did. And I did relatively well. And I thought I'll be promoted, which I didn't get promoted.

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And then so somehow with that, I decided to leave.

383
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Okay. So, three years did and you left.

384
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Yeah. So, two and a half plus three. So, actually, almost one contract.

385
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Yeah. Okay.

386
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Almost one contract.

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If you include in two and a half years.

388
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Yeah. But normally you do. Normally you do. Because when you sign, they kind of backdate it and all.

389
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Oh, they do. They backdate it. I didn't know that. Never signed on. So, I don't know.

390
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So, you left because you didn't get what you wanted.

391
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I didn't get what I want.

392
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Right. Then what happened after that?

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I stumbled into your career, my friend.

394
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Oh, let's not go there. Okay. That one, the other one.

395
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Yeah. I stumbled into your career.

396
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Yeah.

397
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As in financial services. I was an agent for a while.

398
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Right.

399
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And somehow my boss then wanted to, I don't know, he wanted to raise his own social profile within the company.

400
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Okay.

401
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And he knew because he was my superior in the army as well.

402
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So, he knew I was always like a...

403
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You mean the one that wrote the book?

404
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Oh, yeah.

405
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The drop in the ocean, that guy?

406
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Oh, he was your boss.

407
00:18:31,660 --> 00:18:33,020
Exactly. He was my boss.

408
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So, and even that book, I can tell you, I probably helped him with the English and all that way back then.

409
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Oh, shit. Okay.

410
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So, anyway, he wanted to raise his social profile. So, he knew that when I was in the army,

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in the office mess, I was always taking the mic and just fooling around.

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Really, back then, I never knew that I could be anywhere or anything. I was just having fun.

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I would take the mic, you know, back then there was vanilla ice with ice, ice, ice.

414
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Yeah.

415
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I could rap it.

416
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All right. Stop collaborating. Listen.

417
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Yeah, yeah. You got it. All right. I could even, I mean, even on the weekends when we were at some Europa,

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somewhere with live band, the band can play that song. I'd be invited on stage to rap that song.

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I just, I told you, man, I was an extrovert. I mean, I just had, I liked the fun.

420
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Okay.

421
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So, he thought, hey, why don't I suggest to like the up echelon of that financial advising company

422
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when they do one of the, you know, the ra-ra events, I'd be the MC.

423
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Right.

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He pitched it to me and I said, why not? For the fun of it, I'll do it.

425
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Right.

426
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And so somehow they said yes. And instead of hiring a professional MC, myself and a training

427
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department girl, we both co-MCed a huge conference at, there was a convention center at the place

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where Vivo City is now.

429
00:19:58,220 --> 00:19:59,260
Okay. Harbor Pavilion.

430
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Exactly. So Harbor Pavilion, I think the crowd size, maybe, maybe 3000.

431
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Yeah.

432
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Way back then.

433
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Yeah.

434
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And so, I mean, they gave me instructions. I did whatever there was supposed of me, you know.

435
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I obviously nervous before going on stage, but when I was on stage, I felt like I was on fire.

436
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I had fun. And so the, the event company, the production company that ran that.

437
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Right.

438
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The boss of the event company is Leslie Pillay, if you know, Leslie Pillay.

439
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Oh, yes, of course. Emily.

440
00:20:31,420 --> 00:20:32,540
Exactly.

441
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Leslie and D.V.

442
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So Leslie, after the event, reached out to me and said, hey, Sero, you're quite a decent MC.

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Could we get you to work as an MC once in a while? That kind of just blew me away,

444
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opened me up to the thoughts that I could be an MC. I never thought, once thought, you know.

445
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Although when I, even when I was in OCS, when I had like the dining in and the passing out,

446
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you know, we, I remember hiring, I mean, not me, but we hired like Hamish Brown,

447
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Ray Montero. I watched them, but I never.

448
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Hey Hamish, you're being mentioned. Hey Rod, you too, huh?

449
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Yeah. I never once thought I could, I could, I could, I mean, it never,

450
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it never occurred in my mind. I'm totally not from the industry.

451
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Right.

452
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So not like a lot of them who started out DJing and they say, no, I'm really.

453
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Not from the fraternity in the beginning.

454
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Exactly.

455
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So somehow they reached out to me and oddly enough, the same time, because back then,

456
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I mean, soccer, I was a, I, I, I captained my school in CJC and then we, we, you know,

457
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we went all the way to A division.

458
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Wow.

459
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A division finals and we lost to Sundaram Muthi's team.

460
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One, zero.

461
00:21:45,340 --> 00:21:50,780
Really, bro? So, so, so I was a decent soccer player and I was playing soccer with another guy

462
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who also had a really, really solid event company called The Event Company, TEC.

463
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Rings the bell somehow.

464
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Okay. Anyway, his name is Ronnie.

465
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So I had two good companies, all of a sudden say, hey, why don't you try and MC first?

466
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And that's how I started. I didn't not, I did not have a video.

467
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I did not have like a resume I sent out to people.

468
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Somehow they saw that I could hold shows and then they had their own stable of clients.

469
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And every time when they had an event, I was probably first on that list.

470
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Right.

471
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And then I started doing shows.

472
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Funny how life is like.

473
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Yeah.

474
00:22:34,460 --> 00:22:37,580
Yeah, I know. I mean, the, the story is kind of familiar as well.

475
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Well, Leslie, man, let's say you're being mentioned too.

476
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MLA, you remember.

477
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Do you remember how, where did we meet for the first time?

478
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Well, I remember you being on a convention.

479
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No, you see, that's the thing. I, I thought so.

480
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No, no, no.

481
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Okay.

482
00:22:59,980 --> 00:23:07,020
The very first time we met was along China square in a place.

483
00:23:07,020 --> 00:23:09,580
It's not, not around anymore called Mama Africa.

484
00:23:09,580 --> 00:23:12,060
Oh, no. Now that you tell me, yes.

485
00:23:12,060 --> 00:23:13,900
Yeah. And you were there with Sheldon.

486
00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:14,140
Yes.

487
00:23:14,140 --> 00:23:17,580
I was there to meet Sheldon and you were hosting that gig.

488
00:23:17,580 --> 00:23:19,980
And we were introduced by Sheldon for the first time.

489
00:23:19,980 --> 00:23:21,980
Ah, okay.

490
00:23:21,980 --> 00:23:24,220
And then you said to me, oh, you are Chris Hansen.

491
00:23:24,220 --> 00:23:24,700
Ah.

492
00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:30,540
Then that's when I, that's when I heard that you were the guy that does shows for MLA.

493
00:23:30,540 --> 00:23:31,180
Ah.

494
00:23:31,180 --> 00:23:37,580
I used to do shows, but for Lexington, which was a subsidiary of MLA back then.

495
00:23:37,580 --> 00:23:38,380
Oh yes, yes, yes.

496
00:23:38,380 --> 00:23:38,700
Yeah.

497
00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:43,580
So, so now, now that you say, I do recall that that time I met you, because I was

498
00:23:43,580 --> 00:23:47,980
the first time I met you because yeah, Mama Africa, because the boss of Mama Africa.

499
00:23:47,980 --> 00:23:48,620
Sebastian.

500
00:23:48,620 --> 00:23:49,020
Yeah.

501
00:23:49,020 --> 00:23:49,820
Met me somewhere.

502
00:23:49,820 --> 00:23:50,220
Yeah.

503
00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:55,020
And then there was a time he used me for, for, I mean, Rara.

504
00:23:55,020 --> 00:23:55,500
Yeah, yeah.

505
00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:55,980
In his joints.

506
00:23:55,980 --> 00:23:56,620
Yeah, yeah.

507
00:23:56,620 --> 00:23:57,660
All African joints.

508
00:23:57,660 --> 00:23:58,220
Yeah.

509
00:23:58,220 --> 00:24:02,540
Actually, I remember, I remember him well enough.

510
00:24:02,540 --> 00:24:03,100
Okay.

511
00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:03,420
Yeah.

512
00:24:03,420 --> 00:24:05,180
So that was the first time we actually met.

513
00:24:05,180 --> 00:24:06,140
My apologies then.

514
00:24:06,140 --> 00:24:07,580
No, it's fine, man.

515
00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:08,060
It's fine.

516
00:24:08,060 --> 00:24:09,980
I mean, well, it's fine.

517
00:24:09,980 --> 00:24:15,340
But I actually expected for you to remember, recall that the first time we met is probably

518
00:24:15,340 --> 00:24:16,140
at a convention.

519
00:24:16,140 --> 00:24:16,780
Yeah.

520
00:24:16,780 --> 00:24:19,180
Um, how difficult is it finding work, man?

521
00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:21,500
How difficult is it finding work?

522
00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:23,740
You're talking about now or you're talking about?

523
00:24:23,740 --> 00:24:27,340
In general, let's not, let's not talk about, let's talk about pre-pandemic.

524
00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:28,140
Let's go there.

525
00:24:28,140 --> 00:24:28,640
Okay.

526
00:24:29,260 --> 00:24:31,580
Um, pre, the truth.

527
00:24:32,940 --> 00:24:33,820
Of course, the truth.

528
00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:42,700
I've, I've led a pretty charmed life, Chris, from the start because two really good event

529
00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:47,980
companies, they had their own stable of clients and top, top multinationals.

530
00:24:47,980 --> 00:24:48,220
Yes.

531
00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:48,460
Okay.

532
00:24:48,460 --> 00:24:53,180
We won't mention all these names, but top multinationals through and through.

533
00:24:53,180 --> 00:24:59,980
So, so, and back then, obviously you have things like your D&Ds, but you will have things

534
00:24:59,980 --> 00:25:02,860
like your road shows and road shows were huge back then.

535
00:25:02,860 --> 00:25:03,900
Yeah.

536
00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:07,980
These days you, you, you don't see the kind of road shows anymore.

537
00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:09,020
Back then road shows were huge.

538
00:25:09,020 --> 00:25:12,460
So imagine like, like the open space in front of Nian City.

539
00:25:12,460 --> 00:25:13,260
Yeah, Civic Centre.

540
00:25:13,260 --> 00:25:13,820
Yeah.

541
00:25:13,820 --> 00:25:16,060
So you can have a whole weekend there.

542
00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:16,540
Yeah.

543
00:25:16,540 --> 00:25:19,740
And then every weekend you are at Orchard Road doing.

544
00:25:19,740 --> 00:25:21,580
But bro, those are not road shows, man.

545
00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:24,940
Back then, when you talk about Civic Centre, right?

546
00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:26,860
This is like you got the centre to yourself.

547
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:28,140
That's a show.

548
00:25:28,140 --> 00:25:28,780
Yeah.

549
00:25:28,780 --> 00:25:29,340
Okay.

550
00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:35,340
Road show, wouldn't it be like, oh, a bank hired me and I go there and I start, you know,

551
00:25:35,340 --> 00:25:37,020
hawking their wares and stuff.

552
00:25:37,020 --> 00:25:37,420
Okay.

553
00:25:37,420 --> 00:25:38,540
I mean, that's a road show, right?

554
00:25:38,540 --> 00:25:39,340
They're lay-along people.

555
00:25:39,340 --> 00:25:39,500
Okay.

556
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:45,500
So, so you, you, maybe, maybe it's just terminology to me, but to me, that was a road show, a

557
00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:47,180
huge road show, okay?

558
00:25:47,180 --> 00:25:49,980
Compared to the road show where people are selling SIM cards on the side.

559
00:25:51,020 --> 00:25:51,820
Well, let's put it this way.

560
00:25:51,820 --> 00:25:53,020
I mean, okay, pardon me.

561
00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:54,380
I mean, fuck that.

562
00:25:54,380 --> 00:25:58,540
You know, I mean, the reason why I say it this way is because I've had great times

563
00:25:58,540 --> 00:25:59,420
along Water Road.

564
00:26:01,420 --> 00:26:05,180
For me, in my day, in the Civic Centre, right?

565
00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:09,020
When I'm in the Civic Centre, if you call it a road show, I mean, I was singing the

566
00:26:09,020 --> 00:26:13,420
Sallier in the Civic Centre, you know?

567
00:26:13,980 --> 00:26:16,860
And that was definitely not a road show.

568
00:26:19,340 --> 00:26:25,420
Broke records for the body shop across the road at a paragon, twice.

569
00:26:25,420 --> 00:26:28,460
Singapore Booker Records for the largest street caroling.

570
00:26:28,460 --> 00:26:32,780
And I was recruiting people walking along the damn pedestrian walkway to sing.

571
00:26:32,780 --> 00:26:34,060
That kind of shows.

572
00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:35,180
Now less and less.

573
00:26:35,180 --> 00:26:36,780
You hardly see this level.

574
00:26:36,780 --> 00:26:37,820
I don't know.

575
00:26:37,820 --> 00:26:42,940
Maybe because it does, maybe, look, I mean, this is all about marketing, right?

576
00:26:42,940 --> 00:26:44,460
This is all about marketing to dollars.

577
00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:46,540
And the landscape has changed.

578
00:26:46,540 --> 00:26:48,780
Back then, that was the way to go.

579
00:26:48,780 --> 00:26:52,460
But these days, you have social media, you have your influencers and all that.

580
00:26:52,460 --> 00:26:57,740
I mean, we can go on another show just to talk about this.

581
00:26:57,740 --> 00:26:59,100
But landscape has changed.

582
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:03,500
So maybe that marketing dollar doesn't transcend that well for them anymore.

583
00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:07,900
Back then, every weekend, you will see a huge show like that.

584
00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:09,660
And not just one.

585
00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:12,300
Maybe in a few places, you know, Raffles City Atrium.

586
00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:15,260
But, you know, let's not wait till another episode to talk about this.

587
00:27:15,260 --> 00:27:17,260
Let's address this now.

588
00:27:17,260 --> 00:27:19,660
You know, okay, I mean, fair enough.

589
00:27:19,660 --> 00:27:20,860
Of course, I know this, you know.

590
00:27:20,860 --> 00:27:22,860
This is a podcast.

591
00:27:22,860 --> 00:27:24,860
Yeah.

592
00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:35,340
But the vibrancy of our streets in general, not just our streets, in general, across this

593
00:27:35,340 --> 00:27:42,300
island, is kind of stymied.

594
00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:44,300
I mean, it's so muted.

595
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:48,300
You know, it's getting to be a fucking boring place.

596
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:51,820
Man.

597
00:27:51,820 --> 00:27:54,940
I mean, look, influencers are not otherwise, whatever.

598
00:27:54,940 --> 00:28:00,860
I think a good shout out to all the multinationals out there and all the people in the marketing

599
00:28:00,860 --> 00:28:01,860
departments.

600
00:28:01,860 --> 00:28:03,580
I mean, come on, guys.

601
00:28:03,580 --> 00:28:04,580
You can go both ways.

602
00:28:04,580 --> 00:28:06,220
You can go online, go digital.

603
00:28:06,220 --> 00:28:07,620
You can do this as well.

604
00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:15,180
Bring back, play a part to bring back some vibrancy in our streets and in our halls.

605
00:28:15,180 --> 00:28:16,180
What do you think?

606
00:28:16,180 --> 00:28:21,420
And back then, you had all these events that people crowd around and, you know, it added.

607
00:28:21,420 --> 00:28:23,300
I'm quite sure it added.

608
00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:29,060
Whether you are locals, you know, tourists walking by, I agree with you totally.

609
00:28:29,060 --> 00:28:30,060
Yeah.

610
00:28:30,060 --> 00:28:37,600
Now, I mean, hey, you probably see, like I said, somebody selling SIM cards to maybe

611
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,180
our migrant workers.

612
00:28:39,180 --> 00:28:41,820
That kind of, but those things are boring.

613
00:28:41,820 --> 00:28:42,820
You know?

614
00:28:42,820 --> 00:28:50,740
Back then, we had huge, huge shows, whether it was, I don't know, a street futsal tournament

615
00:28:50,740 --> 00:28:57,860
for things, but it was held there rather than in a purposeful cage.

616
00:28:57,860 --> 00:29:02,460
We would have, I mean, hey, the radio had that put your hand there for the longer side.

617
00:29:02,460 --> 00:29:03,460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

618
00:29:03,460 --> 00:29:04,460
Yeah.

619
00:29:04,460 --> 00:29:05,460
Things like that.

620
00:29:05,460 --> 00:29:06,460
Doesn't it add to the landscape?

621
00:29:06,460 --> 00:29:07,460
The Subaru challenge.

622
00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:08,460
You got a Subaru challenge.

623
00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:11,460
So those things, you know.

624
00:29:11,460 --> 00:29:13,660
It's so much, there's so much hype going on.

625
00:29:13,660 --> 00:29:15,700
It's so fun, right?

626
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:19,900
You know, funny, funny we're talking about this because yesterday my son and I were at

627
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:20,900
Sentosa.

628
00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:21,900
All right.

629
00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:22,900
I'm going to fucking say this.

630
00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:27,300
You're going to be happy because you're a little, little, don't even want to upturn

631
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:28,300
the name of that.

632
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:32,420
You did so, like I said, I told you, I never hated you.

633
00:29:32,420 --> 00:29:33,420
Okay.

634
00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:41,380
I mean, I am brand aside, but yesterday there was this, I love you, not you.

635
00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:42,380
United thing.

636
00:29:42,380 --> 00:29:43,380
I saw it.

637
00:29:43,380 --> 00:29:44,380
Yeah.

638
00:29:44,380 --> 00:29:45,380
It was raining somehow, right?

639
00:29:45,380 --> 00:29:46,380
I saw your-

640
00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:47,380
Dude, let me tell you what the fuck happened, okay?

641
00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:48,380
What?

642
00:29:48,380 --> 00:29:50,140
First of all, let me just start from the beginning.

643
00:29:50,140 --> 00:29:53,900
I've got, I've balloted to the Men United app.

644
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:54,900
Okay.

645
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:55,900
To get two free tickets.

646
00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:56,900
Yes.

647
00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:57,900
And I never thought I would get it.

648
00:29:57,900 --> 00:29:58,900
Yeah.

649
00:29:58,900 --> 00:29:59,900
And then I saw your Facebook.

650
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:00,900
But I got it.

651
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:01,900
Yeah.

652
00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:02,900
Thanks so much.

653
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:03,900
Yeah.

654
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:04,900
You saw you.

655
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:05,900
Yeah.

656
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:06,900
I know you read my Facebook.

657
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:07,900
So I got two tickets, right?

658
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:08,900
Okay.

659
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:09,900
And then?

660
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:10,900
So my boy and I was excited about it.

661
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:11,900
Yeah.

662
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:14,580
But every time something happens for United, in Singapore, the two of us were there.

663
00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:15,580
Sure.

664
00:30:15,580 --> 00:30:16,580
Since he was a real small kid.

665
00:30:16,580 --> 00:30:17,580
Okay.

666
00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:18,580
Yeah.

667
00:30:18,580 --> 00:30:19,580
So it's something that we do.

668
00:30:19,580 --> 00:30:20,580
Yeah.

669
00:30:20,580 --> 00:30:21,580
Yeah.

670
00:30:21,580 --> 00:30:22,580
So there we were.

671
00:30:22,580 --> 00:30:30,660
The event supposed to happen in South Point, which is at Siloso Point, Siloso Beach on

672
00:30:30,660 --> 00:30:31,660
Santos Island.

673
00:30:31,660 --> 00:30:32,660
Okay.

674
00:30:32,660 --> 00:30:34,780
And we were told to park our cars.

675
00:30:34,780 --> 00:30:35,780
There's no parking there.

676
00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:39,900
With the parked our cars, the nearest parking lot would be at Beach Point Car Park.

677
00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:40,900
Yeah.

678
00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:45,020
That's about, I think, well, you know, we had to take, I'm not going to say distance,

679
00:30:45,020 --> 00:30:47,660
but we had to take a 15 minute walk.

680
00:30:47,660 --> 00:30:48,660
All right.

681
00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:49,660
Okay.

682
00:30:49,660 --> 00:30:50,660
To get there.

683
00:30:50,660 --> 00:30:51,660
Okay.

684
00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:52,660
Which is fine, you know.

685
00:30:52,660 --> 00:30:55,140
When we got there, it started to storm.

686
00:30:55,140 --> 00:30:58,100
And we got into the shelter with the rest in the queue.

687
00:30:58,100 --> 00:30:59,100
Okay.

688
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:03,580
That was about probably 545 around there.

689
00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:06,240
And it was really, really pissing down.

690
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,340
And the two of us were huddled like with the rest of the people, chest to back, back to

691
00:31:11,340 --> 00:31:12,340
chests, you know.

692
00:31:12,340 --> 00:31:13,340
Yeah.

693
00:31:13,340 --> 00:31:15,900
Bumper to bumper sardines, you know, under a narrow shelter.

694
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:18,420
And it was storming as hell.

695
00:31:18,420 --> 00:31:23,740
And then we waited and we waited and the crowd grew bigger and bigger.

696
00:31:23,740 --> 00:31:27,380
And then the security, fair enough, they didn't want people to get caught in the storm.

697
00:31:27,380 --> 00:31:31,360
And they've told them, get out of the queue, go into the other shelter across where the

698
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,920
cable car station is.

699
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,780
So lots of people were congregating there.

700
00:31:35,780 --> 00:31:40,260
And I was breathing in carbon dioxide, breath from other people, right?

701
00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:41,260
My son and I.

702
00:31:41,260 --> 00:31:46,860
And we were just standing there and six o'clock the gates were supposed to open, didn't open.

703
00:31:46,860 --> 00:31:48,780
Six fifteen didn't open.

704
00:31:48,780 --> 00:31:50,820
Six twenty didn't open.

705
00:31:50,820 --> 00:31:51,820
Six thirty I got uncomfortable.

706
00:31:51,820 --> 00:31:56,020
And I said, you know something, this is not right.

707
00:31:56,020 --> 00:31:58,780
Because what were the damn organizers doing?

708
00:31:58,780 --> 00:32:03,420
Here you have people stuck in that, it could be a super spreader event.

709
00:32:03,420 --> 00:32:04,420
Yes.

710
00:32:04,420 --> 00:32:05,420
Bumper to bumper.

711
00:32:05,420 --> 00:32:12,060
Packed like sardines under that narrow sheltered walkway.

712
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:18,220
And we decided, fuck that, for the benefit of my son's safety as well as mine, forget

713
00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:19,220
this.

714
00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:20,220
Let's go.

715
00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:24,900
And we broke out of the queue and we walked away and we started walking in the rain back

716
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:26,260
to the car park.

717
00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:27,260
OK.

718
00:32:27,260 --> 00:32:30,060
Now that was the nasty part of it.

719
00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:34,500
Because I've been told anyway, just just to let you know, I've been I heard from friends

720
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:36,580
who were there because I saw them.

721
00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:39,780
They waited with their kids and the kids are younger.

722
00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:40,780
Yeah.

723
00:32:40,780 --> 00:32:44,980
They waited there to eight, eightish to almost nine before the game.

724
00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:46,980
The match started last night.

725
00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:47,980
Then they were allowed in.

726
00:32:47,980 --> 00:32:49,420
That's three hours.

727
00:32:49,420 --> 00:32:50,420
Dude.

728
00:32:50,420 --> 00:32:52,780
From the designated time that you were told.

729
00:32:52,780 --> 00:32:53,780
Exactly.

730
00:32:53,780 --> 00:33:00,900
So can you imagine if we had stayed in that queue, it would have been nuts.

731
00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:01,900
Never mind.

732
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:05,500
We walked back in the rain to the car park at Beach Point.

733
00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:09,780
And along the way, there's a couple of bars and clubs, right?

734
00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:10,780
Of course.

735
00:33:10,780 --> 00:33:13,700
You know, rumors and oh, shucks.

736
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:14,780
I can't remember all.

737
00:33:14,780 --> 00:33:18,500
Of course, our coasts and of course, we're party man is I saw party man yesterday, a

738
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:19,500
sandbar.

739
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:20,500
Right.

740
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:21,780
And you know, it was a hive of activity, man.

741
00:33:21,780 --> 00:33:24,620
It was like music pumping, pumping, pumping.

742
00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:26,340
And it was great.

743
00:33:26,340 --> 00:33:29,740
Walking down that boardwalk back to the car park.

744
00:33:29,740 --> 00:33:34,300
It was like, whoa, this hive of things happening here.

745
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:38,380
This music pumping, the people smiling, people having a great time.

746
00:33:38,380 --> 00:33:44,780
And when you talked about this, what's happening along Watcher Road, for instance, this is an

747
00:33:44,780 --> 00:33:45,780
example.

748
00:33:45,780 --> 00:33:49,780
And that's just only one place I can think of where there is something happening.

749
00:33:49,780 --> 00:33:56,980
And that's in Tulsa, where the bars are, you know, and it's not about all drink culture,

750
00:33:56,980 --> 00:33:57,980
whatever.

751
00:33:57,980 --> 00:33:58,980
It's not about that.

752
00:33:58,980 --> 00:34:06,740
It's about having that vibe that Singaporeans can actually have a good time.

753
00:34:06,740 --> 00:34:11,100
You know, and that's something that I know the only place I can think of that exists

754
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:15,220
here in Singapore today is St. Josiah Island.

755
00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:17,900
Along that stretch anyway.

756
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:21,340
I agree with you, but what were the organizers thinking?

757
00:34:21,340 --> 00:34:23,580
So no music, no nothing.

758
00:34:23,580 --> 00:34:26,660
This is nothing to do with Manchester United Football Club.

759
00:34:26,660 --> 00:34:28,900
Yeah, it's got to do with local freaking organizers.

760
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:29,900
No, no, no, no.

761
00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:30,900
I know, I know.

762
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:31,900
You're cool.

763
00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:35,580
I'm saying the other IAM brands, all the other scousers watching this show will go, oh, you

764
00:34:35,580 --> 00:34:40,300
know, you see, you see what kind of a football club is that?

765
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:41,300
Bollocks.

766
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:48,060
So now that you know, all these things have lessened for us, for you.

767
00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:49,900
And you know, of course we all have to make a living, right?

768
00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:51,700
You have to make a living.

769
00:34:51,700 --> 00:34:54,380
Do you have any other side gig, man, besides this?

770
00:34:54,380 --> 00:34:55,380
Oh man.

771
00:34:55,380 --> 00:34:56,380
I have.

772
00:34:56,380 --> 00:34:57,980
That's what I told you.

773
00:34:57,980 --> 00:34:59,580
I've led a charmed life.

774
00:34:59,580 --> 00:35:01,900
You're asking me, is it hard to find jobs through the years?

775
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:03,500
Actually, no, man.

776
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:05,300
I never had a video done.

777
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:07,500
I've never had a website done till recently.

778
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:09,780
I'm going to tell you why.

779
00:35:09,780 --> 00:35:16,300
It's just, I mean, because back then, every weekend I was in a major show, not a teeny

780
00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:17,300
weeny row show.

781
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:18,300
Okay, I agree with you.

782
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:24,260
I was in a major show that was proper visibility to people walking around, the vibrancy of

783
00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:26,780
Orchard Road or wherever I was.

784
00:35:26,780 --> 00:35:30,140
And people were always coming to me and okay, back then, hey, you know, you're good.

785
00:35:30,140 --> 00:35:31,140
Can we hire you?

786
00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:35,860
I mean, they could be an organizer for their D&D, it could be whatever, family day.

787
00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:37,420
So I was just giving out name cards.

788
00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:40,620
And then with that, I just had work and work.

789
00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:43,140
People were just reaching out to me.

790
00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:45,980
So all the time it was people calling me.

791
00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:49,840
I truly am lucky.

792
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,420
Never thought about that.

793
00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:54,020
And that kind of made me lazy.

794
00:35:54,020 --> 00:35:55,020
That's the truth.

795
00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:56,020
Made me lazy.

796
00:35:56,020 --> 00:35:58,500
I was lazy all this time.

797
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:03,460
So much so that now, but the pandemic came.

798
00:36:03,460 --> 00:36:12,620
And then all of a sudden from earning decent living, bam, everything shut down.

799
00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:13,620
So hey, man.

800
00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:15,500
So what did you have to do?

801
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:17,100
No, it was tough.

802
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:21,680
First, obviously, you're depressed.

803
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,100
You think about what else you can do.

804
00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:27,540
And then you realize there's nothing you can do.

805
00:36:27,540 --> 00:36:28,540
I only have A-levels.

806
00:36:28,540 --> 00:36:30,820
I don't even have a degree.

807
00:36:30,820 --> 00:36:33,500
Who would pay an A-level?

808
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:38,100
What do you think an A-level monthly pay is for anything out there now?

809
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:39,100
Shit, I don't know, man.

810
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:40,100
I got four O-levels.

811
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:42,940
So I'm slightly better than you.

812
00:36:42,940 --> 00:36:49,260
But basically, I mean, now I've got advanced diploma in adult education and all.

813
00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:50,260
Well, good for you, bro.

814
00:36:50,260 --> 00:36:51,260
I've done that.

815
00:36:51,260 --> 00:36:54,400
So I've got a trading cert.

816
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,820
And also because of the pandemic, it forced me to go and take courses to earn some money

817
00:36:57,820 --> 00:37:01,200
because that was what the government was.

818
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,140
So with that, I learned how to build a website and I built a website on my own.

819
00:37:05,140 --> 00:37:07,420
So the website we see now is built by you.

820
00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:08,420
Yes.

821
00:37:08,420 --> 00:37:10,220
And I procrastinated about it all these years.

822
00:37:10,220 --> 00:37:13,300
I always thought of hire some polytechnic guy to come.

823
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:14,900
In the end, I built it on my own, man.

824
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:15,900
Well, awesome, bro.

825
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:16,900
Yeah.

826
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:18,460
So that's why I have something going.

827
00:37:18,460 --> 00:37:23,420
And then the social media thing is also because you learn and you realize that, hey, these

828
00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:26,540
days that's currency, that's branding.

829
00:37:26,540 --> 00:37:31,460
If you don't have that, you have no choice.

830
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:35,300
That's why I know for a fact being an influencer is no joke.

831
00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:37,420
You got to think about content.

832
00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:40,260
I don't have that.

833
00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:41,300
I don't have that.

834
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:47,860
But I know I have to be on social media because these days the people they are hiring looks

835
00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:48,860
at social media.

836
00:37:48,860 --> 00:37:53,700
Just something I'm curious about, man, when you say content is something that you don't

837
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:56,620
have, content is created.

838
00:37:56,620 --> 00:38:00,980
But when we go on stage, guys like you, guys like me, we go on stage, we're creating content

839
00:38:00,980 --> 00:38:01,980
all the time.

840
00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:08,660
I mean, look, I just don't think about content for social media.

841
00:38:08,660 --> 00:38:09,660
I'm weak in that.

842
00:38:09,660 --> 00:38:10,660
Already I'm lazy.

843
00:38:10,660 --> 00:38:11,660
Okay.

844
00:38:11,660 --> 00:38:12,660
Okay.

845
00:38:12,660 --> 00:38:15,660
So you think that there's a fundamental difference between content.

846
00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:19,940
I know it's two different things, what we do on stage live or face to face audience.

847
00:38:19,940 --> 00:38:23,780
Now we've got to say things like that, not face to face audience.

848
00:38:23,780 --> 00:38:28,940
You know, when we do things live, when we run the program, it's all going to be based

849
00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:31,420
on what the program calls for sure.

850
00:38:31,420 --> 00:38:35,540
And that's all the greeting client and event company and the entertainers, right?

851
00:38:35,540 --> 00:38:37,020
For sure.

852
00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:46,860
But if you know that you can actually create content on the fly, on stage, right?

853
00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:49,240
And yeah, you're a great games master, dude.

854
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:52,420
Some of the things you come up with, jeez, I just ask myself, where the fuck does this

855
00:38:52,420 --> 00:38:54,660
guy get his ideas from?

856
00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:58,500
Really man, I mean, really, kudos, really.

857
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:04,540
Because games is a real bugbear for everyone, yeah?

858
00:39:04,540 --> 00:39:06,260
To come up with new stuff, that is.

859
00:39:06,260 --> 00:39:10,620
But see, this is the thing, you come up with new stuff, you have content.

860
00:39:10,620 --> 00:39:11,620
I have.

861
00:39:11,620 --> 00:39:17,380
So why don't you, why do you see yourself as not being able to come up with content

862
00:39:17,380 --> 00:39:18,380
for social media?

863
00:39:18,380 --> 00:39:24,660
I don't know man, maybe there's a blog somewhere, but when it comes to, I mean, just this morning,

864
00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:29,900
I came up with just a segment to warm the audience up.

865
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:30,900
There you see?

866
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:31,900
That I did.

867
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:33,140
That shit I can't do.

868
00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:34,140
I don't know man.

869
00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:35,140
I can't do this.

870
00:39:35,140 --> 00:39:36,140
Like I said man.

871
00:39:36,140 --> 00:39:37,140
No, that shit I can't do.

872
00:39:37,140 --> 00:39:38,140
This is what I mean.

873
00:39:38,140 --> 00:39:39,140
Cyril Lim, games master.

874
00:39:39,140 --> 00:39:40,140
He's got a games master show.

875
00:39:40,140 --> 00:39:41,140
You know, he comes up, listen guys, I've got myself this new game.

876
00:39:41,140 --> 00:39:42,140
Check this out.

877
00:39:42,140 --> 00:39:43,140
What do you think?

878
00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:44,140
You know?

879
00:39:44,140 --> 00:39:45,140
And then of course, the funny part about DMC World is that, and I've heard this, I've heard

880
00:39:45,140 --> 00:39:46,140
this many times, yeah?

881
00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:47,140
Why you copy my game?

882
00:39:47,140 --> 00:39:48,140
You know, I mean, sometimes I scratch my head, dude.

883
00:39:48,140 --> 00:39:49,140
I'm like, I'm not going to do this.

884
00:39:49,140 --> 00:39:50,140
I'm going to do this.

885
00:39:50,140 --> 00:39:51,140
I'm going to do this.

886
00:39:51,140 --> 00:39:52,140
I'm going to do this.

887
00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:53,140
I'm going to do this.

888
00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:54,140
I'm going to do this.

889
00:39:54,140 --> 00:39:55,140
I'm going to do this.

890
00:39:55,140 --> 00:39:56,140
I'm going to do this.

891
00:39:56,140 --> 00:40:13,020
I'm going to do this.

892
00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:17,220
I mean, the early days, the first time I,

893
00:40:17,220 --> 00:40:19,780
because hey, I came out the game, right?

894
00:40:19,780 --> 00:40:21,380
Then other MCs were copying.

895
00:40:21,380 --> 00:40:22,820
Obviously they said, hey, why?

896
00:40:22,820 --> 00:40:23,660
Because it's good.

897
00:40:23,660 --> 00:40:27,620
No, so that came to me because it's good.

898
00:40:27,620 --> 00:40:28,460
Because it's good.

899
00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:29,740
Yeah, so that's why, you know,

900
00:40:29,740 --> 00:40:32,420
but in being in the first, my first reaction was shit.

901
00:40:33,380 --> 00:40:34,460
Shit.

902
00:40:34,460 --> 00:40:37,060
All my creativity stolen by somebody else.

903
00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:38,640
But after in the end I said,

904
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,700
hey, imitation is the best form of flattery, man.

905
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:44,980
The game is good, that's why they're using it.

906
00:40:44,980 --> 00:40:48,300
Then in my mind, I always say, all it takes,

907
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:51,540
I'm not afraid of it anymore because in the end,

908
00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:53,780
I tell the client, if you've seen the guy do it,

909
00:40:53,780 --> 00:40:55,380
you should see me do it.

910
00:40:55,380 --> 00:40:58,660
And then always in my head, don't worry, man.

911
00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:00,820
When you hire me, I can always think of something new.

912
00:41:00,820 --> 00:41:03,180
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.

913
00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:06,780
It could be an idea for Cyril to take on board, you know?

914
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:08,380
Something he can do, because you know something,

915
00:41:08,380 --> 00:41:10,940
not many people can do things like you,

916
00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:12,860
where you can come up with a game like that, man.

917
00:41:12,860 --> 00:41:13,700
And I know you do.

918
00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:14,820
I don't think like that.

919
00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:15,860
Shit, dude.

920
00:41:15,860 --> 00:41:17,580
I mean, I shit break sometimes

921
00:41:17,580 --> 00:41:20,460
because I've hosted for this corporate client,

922
00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:23,540
I don't know, five, six, seven,

923
00:41:23,540 --> 00:41:25,140
I have to think of something new.

924
00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:27,660
New all the time because he cannot be repeating games.

925
00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:29,140
I don't want to repeat games.

926
00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:29,980
I know.

927
00:41:29,980 --> 00:41:31,700
Because you know, as an MC, you know,

928
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:33,140
when you repeat a game,

929
00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:33,980
It's not professional.

930
00:41:33,980 --> 00:41:35,100
You feel like you're cheating.

931
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:36,900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

932
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:38,220
I never want to.

933
00:41:38,220 --> 00:41:40,260
That's why I always tell the clients, come on, you know,

934
00:41:40,260 --> 00:41:41,100
we're going to have a meeting,

935
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:42,620
we talk about what games you did.

936
00:41:42,620 --> 00:41:45,020
Not just me, the MC before me.

937
00:41:45,020 --> 00:41:48,780
Yeah, but bro, how long on average

938
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:53,260
do you think you take to come up with a new game?

939
00:41:54,140 --> 00:41:55,460
How do you work?

940
00:41:55,460 --> 00:42:00,460
I mean, I would say this is like,

941
00:42:00,780 --> 00:42:02,660
I don't know, people writing songs.

942
00:42:02,660 --> 00:42:04,980
Some people write, I mean, I just read Ed Sheeran

943
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:09,020
writes a song, I mean, a few songs in a day

944
00:42:09,020 --> 00:42:11,420
because he has a fast process.

945
00:42:11,420 --> 00:42:13,980
I don't know if with me, it doesn't work that way.

946
00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:16,660
I mean, sometimes it comes,

947
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:18,980
but sometimes the game is crap.

948
00:42:18,980 --> 00:42:22,780
Because you know, it's all trial and error in the beginning.

949
00:42:22,780 --> 00:42:26,740
But I think when you are under pressure,

950
00:42:27,740 --> 00:42:30,060
you will find a way.

951
00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:32,540
If you don't, if there's no show coming up,

952
00:42:32,540 --> 00:42:34,180
I say, hey, go and think of a new game.

953
00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:35,340
I probably won't do it.

954
00:42:35,340 --> 00:42:36,180
I'm lazy like that.

955
00:42:36,180 --> 00:42:40,060
And these days I also spend, I mean,

956
00:42:40,060 --> 00:42:41,140
the sun is more important.

957
00:42:41,140 --> 00:42:42,660
Of course, of course.

958
00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:43,860
Less time.

959
00:42:43,860 --> 00:42:45,740
Yeah, yeah, but you have to,

960
00:42:45,740 --> 00:42:47,620
it's part and parcel of the work for you

961
00:42:47,620 --> 00:42:49,300
to sit down and work out a new game.

962
00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:52,700
Or anyways, so why don't you just do this, man?

963
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:53,900
Film yourself doing it.

964
00:42:54,780 --> 00:42:55,620
I don't know.

965
00:42:55,620 --> 00:42:58,540
I mean, but the point I'm driving at is this,

966
00:42:58,540 --> 00:43:03,540
there's some MCs are supposed to be multifaceted, right?

967
00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:06,380
And not just about getting on stage alone.

968
00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:09,740
As you said, when the pandemic, like what happened?

969
00:43:09,740 --> 00:43:12,380
And when it hit, everyone's starving.

970
00:43:13,580 --> 00:43:18,420
But there's no other avenue or area of work

971
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:21,460
where they can actually derive an income out of.

972
00:43:21,460 --> 00:43:25,060
You know, like, excuse me, guys like me,

973
00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:26,820
we end up in studios.

974
00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:28,820
So no gig doesn't matter.

975
00:43:28,820 --> 00:43:31,380
End up in studios and you do voiceover work, you know?

976
00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:34,300
And during the pandemic, geez, I had a lot.

977
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:36,340
Good for you.

978
00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:38,900
You know, I'm not bragging, I'm just saying that

979
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:43,900
we need to have MCs to be more multifaceted, you know?

980
00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:47,460
And if it's gonna be the social media game, then fine.

981
00:43:47,460 --> 00:43:48,660
You know, I mean, content.

982
00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:51,340
There's no way MCs can't come up with content.

983
00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:54,820
It's a question of whether we want to come up with content.

984
00:43:54,820 --> 00:43:55,780
Isn't it?

985
00:43:55,780 --> 00:43:57,940
On that note, the marketplace,

986
00:43:57,940 --> 00:44:01,260
whether it's pre or post pandemic, doesn't matter.

987
00:44:02,780 --> 00:44:07,300
The reflection of the MC in general to the marketplace,

988
00:44:07,300 --> 00:44:11,460
whether they are event companies or direct clients

989
00:44:11,460 --> 00:44:13,940
or people generally in the audience,

990
00:44:15,220 --> 00:44:19,740
what do you think their opinion of the MC is like?

991
00:44:21,540 --> 00:44:22,380
Whoa.

992
00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:26,140
That's a loaded question, man.

993
00:44:26,140 --> 00:44:27,980
Loaded, really?

994
00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:28,820
I don't know.

995
00:44:28,820 --> 00:44:30,140
So, what?

996
00:44:31,940 --> 00:44:33,140
Hit that by me again.

997
00:44:33,140 --> 00:44:35,620
So you're asking about?

998
00:44:35,620 --> 00:44:38,100
What are people's opinion in general

999
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:41,220
from within the industry and outside the industry?

1000
00:44:41,220 --> 00:44:42,340
Okay.

1001
00:44:42,340 --> 00:44:47,340
In general, would be, do you think of MCs?

1002
00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:54,740
Is there one?

1003
00:44:54,740 --> 00:44:55,580
Is there one?

1004
00:44:55,580 --> 00:44:57,060
Is there an opinion?

1005
00:44:59,260 --> 00:45:01,100
Opinion of MCs?

1006
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:02,980
Yeah, if you weigh it all throughout your years

1007
00:45:02,980 --> 00:45:06,540
of experience, if you weigh it all in general,

1008
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:10,980
what do you think the general consensus would be of MCs

1009
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:15,100
from within and from without?

1010
00:45:19,420 --> 00:45:22,780
It's a clear thing that MCs are a necessity.

1011
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:24,740
Is it clear?

1012
00:45:24,740 --> 00:45:25,580
It's up to me.

1013
00:45:25,580 --> 00:45:26,420
Okay.

1014
00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:29,420
And then to anybody who has had some way of,

1015
00:45:37,420 --> 00:45:41,860
or in part, has been in organizing an event.

1016
00:45:41,860 --> 00:45:42,820
Right.

1017
00:45:42,820 --> 00:45:44,220
An MC is a necessity.

1018
00:45:45,340 --> 00:45:48,580
Unless you tell, I mean, even these days,

1019
00:45:48,580 --> 00:45:52,620
there are people who, there are clients that say,

1020
00:45:52,620 --> 00:45:55,180
hey, no, we can use in-house.

1021
00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:59,100
But once you use a professional, you will, there is-

1022
00:45:59,100 --> 00:45:59,940
A stark difference.

1023
00:45:59,940 --> 00:46:01,820
There's a stark difference.

1024
00:46:01,820 --> 00:46:03,180
We're not even talking about me.

1025
00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:06,100
I would say, you know, a standard MC.

1026
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:09,180
I feel I am a little bit above that.

1027
00:46:09,180 --> 00:46:10,660
There's a difference.

1028
00:46:10,660 --> 00:46:11,500
Okay.

1029
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:12,340
It's a skillset.

1030
00:46:12,340 --> 00:46:13,180
But people still do that?

1031
00:46:13,180 --> 00:46:15,860
Do you think more and more people are using in-house,

1032
00:46:15,860 --> 00:46:18,860
well, not in-house, they like to call them in-house talent.

1033
00:46:19,820 --> 00:46:21,460
In-house people.

1034
00:46:21,460 --> 00:46:22,300
Okay.

1035
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:24,540
And you throw them with this, okay, now you're a staff.

1036
00:46:24,540 --> 00:46:25,820
I'm going to tell you, you're going to do this

1037
00:46:25,820 --> 00:46:27,460
and you have to get it done.

1038
00:46:27,460 --> 00:46:30,380
And, you know, and is it more prevalent, do you think?

1039
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:37,700
You ask me, what I feel now in the industry is,

1040
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:40,740
after the pandemic, now there is a blur,

1041
00:46:41,620 --> 00:46:42,740
the lines are blurred.

1042
00:46:43,660 --> 00:46:46,540
So influencers think they can be MCs as well.

1043
00:46:46,540 --> 00:46:49,460
Somebody at home who has done a Facebook Live,

1044
00:46:49,460 --> 00:46:51,140
unfortunately, because of the pandemic,

1045
00:46:51,140 --> 00:46:54,220
they needed to make bucks, they sell something,

1046
00:46:54,220 --> 00:46:56,020
they think they can be MCs too.

1047
00:46:56,020 --> 00:46:56,940
Right.

1048
00:46:56,940 --> 00:46:57,780
And then-

1049
00:46:57,780 --> 00:46:58,620
The live sellers you mean?

1050
00:46:58,620 --> 00:46:59,740
All kinds, anybody.

1051
00:46:59,740 --> 00:47:00,660
Right, right.

1052
00:47:00,660 --> 00:47:02,220
Anyone who's done a bit of Facebook Live,

1053
00:47:02,220 --> 00:47:03,060
I'm not even saying-

1054
00:47:03,060 --> 00:47:04,660
Even the guys heading the mop of the market

1055
00:47:04,660 --> 00:47:06,900
of a makeshift portable PA system.

1056
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:07,900
They think they can be MCs.

1057
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:09,980
And then they're putting themselves out there.

1058
00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:11,900
And then, you know,

1059
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:14,140
where have you ever heard MCs charging per hour?

1060
00:47:14,140 --> 00:47:15,460
Now you hear of this.

1061
00:47:15,460 --> 00:47:17,660
It's all from people like them.

1062
00:47:17,660 --> 00:47:18,820
So there's a blur of lines

1063
00:47:18,820 --> 00:47:23,180
and some of them could even be this in-house people

1064
00:47:23,180 --> 00:47:24,020
that we're talking about.

1065
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:28,740
So that is why I think it will take a bit of time

1066
00:47:29,940 --> 00:47:32,020
because you will see that in an event,

1067
00:47:32,020 --> 00:47:34,060
you need a professional MC.

1068
00:47:35,380 --> 00:47:36,220
Sure.

1069
00:47:36,220 --> 00:47:39,700
But then again, now that you've raised this,

1070
00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:46,940
do you think that a person could be trained

1071
00:47:46,940 --> 00:47:49,300
to be an MC?

1072
00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:50,140
Yes.

1073
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:55,060
I mean, I've not attended your wonderful course.

1074
00:47:55,060 --> 00:47:58,580
I've seen your Facebook posts.

1075
00:47:58,580 --> 00:48:01,740
I've seen, I think,

1076
00:48:03,700 --> 00:48:06,460
some of your graduates.

1077
00:48:06,460 --> 00:48:10,940
I do believe that any normal person

1078
00:48:10,940 --> 00:48:15,340
can be trained to be a decent MC.

1079
00:48:15,340 --> 00:48:18,540
But to be...

1080
00:48:20,260 --> 00:48:21,100
A cut above the rest.

1081
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:21,940
A cut above.

1082
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:22,780
Yep.

1083
00:48:22,780 --> 00:48:27,780
Somehow, it's like soccer players.

1084
00:48:28,460 --> 00:48:30,300
You have soccer players and you have the stars.

1085
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:31,740
Yeah, you have soccer players and the stars.

1086
00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:34,140
You have like, I mean, a Frank Lampard,

1087
00:48:34,140 --> 00:48:35,900
a James Milner, and you have the Messi.

1088
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:38,060
Yeah, you have the presenters and the personalities.

1089
00:48:38,060 --> 00:48:38,900
Exactly.

1090
00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:41,980
So you can train someone to reach a certain level.

1091
00:48:41,980 --> 00:48:44,540
Right, but being to be a personality,

1092
00:48:44,540 --> 00:48:47,020
you require a lot more work on your own.

1093
00:48:47,020 --> 00:48:48,100
Now this cannot be trained.

1094
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:48,940
Yes.

1095
00:48:48,940 --> 00:48:50,860
So it's not about talent then.

1096
00:48:50,860 --> 00:48:53,980
It's not about innate, natural, I'm born with it talent.

1097
00:48:53,980 --> 00:48:58,180
I mean, I had it in me, but obviously with that,

1098
00:48:58,180 --> 00:49:00,500
you do have to hone it.

1099
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:02,580
You do have to see for yourself.

1100
00:49:02,580 --> 00:49:03,940
Yeah, it's not just about that.

1101
00:49:03,940 --> 00:49:05,020
No, no, no.

1102
00:49:05,020 --> 00:49:05,860
Right, it's not just about that.

1103
00:49:05,860 --> 00:49:08,860
I mean, for myself as well, looking...

1104
00:49:08,860 --> 00:49:10,340
I mean, me and Leslie play

1105
00:49:10,340 --> 00:49:13,020
total different, stark contrast kind of MCs.

1106
00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:15,540
But I see the way he hosts, you know.

1107
00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:16,380
Different events, yeah.

1108
00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:21,380
His formal shows, you know, his style of presentation.

1109
00:49:22,060 --> 00:49:22,900
Oh, you know.

1110
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:23,740
Different, yeah.

1111
00:49:23,740 --> 00:49:28,300
Yeah, but that's where you pick up things.

1112
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:29,140
Yes, yes.

1113
00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:30,140
You know, you may not reach his level,

1114
00:49:30,140 --> 00:49:31,420
but you start to pick up.

1115
00:49:31,420 --> 00:49:34,420
And then you also self-critique yourself after an event.

1116
00:49:34,420 --> 00:49:35,260
You sit down and say,

1117
00:49:35,260 --> 00:49:36,740
hey, what could I have done better?

1118
00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:37,580
Right.

1119
00:49:37,580 --> 00:49:41,020
And then you obviously look at, I mean,

1120
00:49:41,020 --> 00:49:43,980
it's out there these days, whether it's on YouTube,

1121
00:49:43,980 --> 00:49:46,460
whether it's a program, whether it's at the Oscars.

1122
00:49:46,460 --> 00:49:47,940
You know, obviously it's still different

1123
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:49,380
because what we do here.

1124
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:51,380
Hey, I think in Singapore,

1125
00:49:51,380 --> 00:49:53,900
we're the best Rara MCs in the world.

1126
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:54,740
Really?

1127
00:49:54,740 --> 00:49:55,580
I think so.

1128
00:49:55,580 --> 00:49:56,400
Why do you say that?

1129
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,500
No, because the style of entertainment is different.

1130
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:01,820
Hey, look, I mean, in places like Europe,

1131
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:06,260
there's no, they have to, when they're serving food,

1132
00:50:06,260 --> 00:50:08,700
there's no, you think MCs work?

1133
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:09,540
No, they don't.

1134
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:10,380
No.

1135
00:50:10,380 --> 00:50:12,420
MCs are basically announcers.

1136
00:50:12,420 --> 00:50:13,260
Exactly.

1137
00:50:13,260 --> 00:50:14,080
Right?

1138
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:14,920
Yeah, exactly.

1139
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,500
Yeah, they're not entertainers, they're announcers.

1140
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:19,860
Yeah, but here, because we have a Chinese 10-course dinner,

1141
00:50:19,860 --> 00:50:21,140
eight-course dinner,

1142
00:50:21,140 --> 00:50:22,900
people eating fish bone in their mouth,

1143
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:24,500
we are going full on.

1144
00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:25,340
Yeah, yeah.

1145
00:50:25,340 --> 00:50:26,660
So that's why I'm telling you,

1146
00:50:26,660 --> 00:50:30,180
any, you tell me any country in the world,

1147
00:50:30,180 --> 00:50:32,980
they come and attend one of our dinner dances,

1148
00:50:32,980 --> 00:50:34,340
they'll be blown away.

1149
00:50:34,340 --> 00:50:37,980
This is for the people from all over the world

1150
00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:40,300
who wonder about what Cyril is saying.

1151
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:42,580
This is Singapore, okay?

1152
00:50:42,580 --> 00:50:46,020
And we know how to run parties.

1153
00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:47,100
You know, funny you used to say that,

1154
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:51,220
because there was a time, long ago,

1155
00:50:51,220 --> 00:50:53,500
I can't remember the event entirely,

1156
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:55,020
and I hosted that event.

1157
00:50:55,020 --> 00:50:56,680
And of course, you know, ra ra games,

1158
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:57,780
blah, blah, blah, singing and all that,

1159
00:50:57,780 --> 00:51:02,020
and the American big boss happened to be in town.

1160
00:51:02,020 --> 00:51:03,660
And he was quite pissed.

1161
00:51:04,620 --> 00:51:05,780
He was quite pissed, you know?

1162
00:51:05,780 --> 00:51:07,420
He was complaining.

1163
00:51:07,420 --> 00:51:11,060
Not to me, but after the show I heard about this.

1164
00:51:11,060 --> 00:51:12,820
This is rubbish.

1165
00:51:12,820 --> 00:51:15,860
How is it that you have an MC that does all these things?

1166
00:51:15,860 --> 00:51:16,860
It's just not right.

1167
00:51:18,580 --> 00:51:20,980
I mean, look at the state of your country, dude.

1168
00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:23,100
Okay, anyway, yeah, yeah, like, like,

1169
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:24,300
get the fuck out of here, man.

1170
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:25,860
You know, this is how we have fun.

1171
00:51:25,860 --> 00:51:26,820
So get lost.

1172
00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:29,380
But it's really, I agree with you.

1173
00:51:29,380 --> 00:51:31,860
I mean, to them, it's unheard of.

1174
00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:33,460
You know, that we can play games,

1175
00:51:33,460 --> 00:51:35,580
and we can ra ra people.

1176
00:51:35,580 --> 00:51:36,740
It's so multifaceted.

1177
00:51:36,740 --> 00:51:38,580
And I think, and I tell you, man,

1178
00:51:38,580 --> 00:51:43,580
that's why I feel MCs should not be lowballed.

1179
00:51:43,580 --> 00:51:44,500
No way.

1180
00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:46,180
Okay, should not be lowballed.

1181
00:51:46,180 --> 00:51:50,220
And we shouldn't go out there to lowball others as well.

1182
00:51:50,220 --> 00:51:55,220
You know, we should give each other mutual respect.

1183
00:51:55,220 --> 00:51:57,260
And we shouldn't be worried about sharing

1184
00:51:57,260 --> 00:52:00,460
what we do with each other.

1185
00:52:00,460 --> 00:52:04,180
And, you know, and we, yeah, just don't be selfish, right?

1186
00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:06,220
Because we are different.

1187
00:52:06,220 --> 00:52:08,140
We are different, you know?

1188
00:52:10,220 --> 00:52:13,180
Look, fellow MCs are my competition.

1189
00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:16,100
But I can tell you, you know,

1190
00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:18,060
you can do your best sometimes.

1191
00:52:19,060 --> 00:52:20,700
They might want somebody else the next time around.

1192
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:22,980
It's just a part of life, you know?

1193
00:52:22,980 --> 00:52:24,220
They won't repeat you every year.

1194
00:52:24,220 --> 00:52:25,860
Exactly.

1195
00:52:25,860 --> 00:52:27,420
I don't know, NTUC has been...

1196
00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:32,580
Mayday, mayday.

1197
00:52:32,580 --> 00:52:34,660
That's a call for help, anyway.

1198
00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:37,780
So all I'm saying is that, you know,

1199
00:52:37,780 --> 00:52:40,020
I mean, there are junior MCs that reach out to me

1200
00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:42,420
to ask me about, hey, you know, I've got this,

1201
00:52:42,420 --> 00:52:45,380
what kind of games got, I share openly.

1202
00:52:45,380 --> 00:52:46,220
Yeah, yeah.

1203
00:52:46,220 --> 00:52:48,940
I have never, I have never once said,

1204
00:52:48,940 --> 00:52:51,300
no, this is my domain, you go.

1205
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:53,980
I've always shared openly because I believe that,

1206
00:52:53,980 --> 00:52:57,180
you know, when you give, somehow you receive.

1207
00:52:57,180 --> 00:52:58,700
And that's the way it is.

1208
00:52:58,700 --> 00:52:59,740
It makes the world go around.

1209
00:52:59,740 --> 00:53:04,220
So as long as we keep our standards there, you know,

1210
00:53:04,220 --> 00:53:07,060
why are MCs charging per hour?

1211
00:53:07,060 --> 00:53:09,540
There was never a per hour charge, man, come on.

1212
00:53:09,540 --> 00:53:11,820
Can you an MC per hour?

1213
00:53:11,820 --> 00:53:13,220
Can you shut off after one hour?

1214
00:53:13,220 --> 00:53:15,340
No, you gotta be there for the whole event.

1215
00:53:15,340 --> 00:53:18,300
And the whole event is, hey, that event.

1216
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:19,780
And if you take one event,

1217
00:53:19,780 --> 00:53:21,700
you can't take another event at night.

1218
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:23,140
Yeah, but let's talk about radio.

1219
00:53:23,140 --> 00:53:23,980
Yes.

1220
00:53:23,980 --> 00:53:26,020
Because if we look back years ago,

1221
00:53:26,020 --> 00:53:30,420
years and years ago when we have great radio DJs, right?

1222
00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:32,780
Most of them were also MCs.

1223
00:53:32,780 --> 00:53:33,620
Yes.

1224
00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:37,580
But today, you hardly, hardly find that.

1225
00:53:38,580 --> 00:53:41,300
If they're either radio DJs, they'll become personalities.

1226
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:42,340
And then after that, of course,

1227
00:53:42,340 --> 00:53:44,660
their own talent management from whichever broadcast

1228
00:53:44,660 --> 00:53:46,660
they're there with would sell them out there.

1229
00:53:46,660 --> 00:53:47,900
And then they do gigs out there.

1230
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:50,460
But they were radio DJs first.

1231
00:53:50,460 --> 00:53:51,300
Yep.

1232
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:52,140
And not MCs second.

1233
00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:52,980
Yes.

1234
00:53:52,980 --> 00:53:53,820
Right?

1235
00:53:53,820 --> 00:53:56,220
But way back when, we have a lot of people

1236
00:53:56,220 --> 00:53:58,420
who were either MCs first then radio.

1237
00:53:59,540 --> 00:54:02,860
You know, and you see the fundamental difference, man.

1238
00:54:02,860 --> 00:54:05,980
The way the content even, I mean, come on,

1239
00:54:05,980 --> 00:54:07,100
radio need content.

1240
00:54:07,980 --> 00:54:10,980
Even from way back when, it's always, till today,

1241
00:54:10,980 --> 00:54:12,060
all about content.

1242
00:54:12,060 --> 00:54:12,900
Yes.

1243
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:14,980
And these guys were doing great.

1244
00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:15,820
Yeah.

1245
00:54:15,820 --> 00:54:16,660
Right?

1246
00:54:16,660 --> 00:54:18,780
I mean, I don't want to really name names,

1247
00:54:18,780 --> 00:54:20,500
but one is like the Flying Dutchman.

1248
00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:22,100
He's MC first.

1249
00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:22,940
Yes.

1250
00:54:22,940 --> 00:54:24,140
But of course, he wasn't really fusioned enough

1251
00:54:24,140 --> 00:54:25,940
that he went over to radio.

1252
00:54:25,940 --> 00:54:26,780
Right?

1253
00:54:26,780 --> 00:54:27,620
And he's still on radio today,

1254
00:54:27,620 --> 00:54:28,820
and he's still doing shows on stage, right?

1255
00:54:28,820 --> 00:54:29,660
Yes.

1256
00:54:29,660 --> 00:54:30,500
He's one example.

1257
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:33,420
And if we want to really quote some more,

1258
00:54:33,420 --> 00:54:34,420
we had Hamish Brown.

1259
00:54:34,420 --> 00:54:35,260
Yes.

1260
00:54:35,260 --> 00:54:36,100
Right?

1261
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:36,940
He does shows too.

1262
00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:37,780
Yep.

1263
00:54:37,780 --> 00:54:38,620
Right?

1264
00:54:38,620 --> 00:54:39,620
And that was for, I think, TMF way back when,

1265
00:54:39,620 --> 00:54:40,900
then he had Journey Promotions.

1266
00:54:40,900 --> 00:54:44,660
And I think we are so multifaceted

1267
00:54:44,660 --> 00:54:47,100
that we can do all these things.

1268
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:50,100
But you know why I ask that question about MCs

1269
00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:56,260
and whether or not we're being lowballed,

1270
00:54:56,260 --> 00:54:59,420
whether or not how people in general think about us,

1271
00:54:59,420 --> 00:55:03,660
whether or not there's going to be a future, okay?

1272
00:55:03,660 --> 00:55:05,420
But you said people need us.

1273
00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:06,260
Yes.

1274
00:55:07,740 --> 00:55:11,380
I recently realized in the voiceover marketplace,

1275
00:55:13,420 --> 00:55:16,020
clients everywhere, not just for voiceovers,

1276
00:55:16,020 --> 00:55:18,460
but also for the MCs in my mind,

1277
00:55:18,460 --> 00:55:22,300
clients everywhere will always find a way to cut cost.

1278
00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:24,060
So when they do that, right,

1279
00:55:25,460 --> 00:55:26,980
who knows for the MC world,

1280
00:55:26,980 --> 00:55:29,300
because it's happening in the VO world,

1281
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:32,260
voiceover world, where they start,

1282
00:55:32,260 --> 00:55:34,500
where the companies that they hire

1283
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:37,100
to come up with their, say for example, the corporate videos.

1284
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:38,140
Yep.

1285
00:55:38,140 --> 00:55:40,820
Start doing it in a fashion, producing these videos

1286
00:55:40,820 --> 00:55:45,580
in a fashion where the VO artist is no longer needed.

1287
00:55:45,580 --> 00:55:47,180
Meaning there's no voiceovers at all.

1288
00:55:47,180 --> 00:55:50,180
It's all video, graphics,

1289
00:55:53,100 --> 00:55:56,020
information that you can see in texts, right?

1290
00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:57,460
And then music in the background,

1291
00:55:57,460 --> 00:55:59,460
and then after that transition into okay,

1292
00:55:59,460 --> 00:56:00,780
now opening address by so and so,

1293
00:56:00,780 --> 00:56:02,060
and then there's no one speaking it,

1294
00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:03,020
no one announcing it,

1295
00:56:03,020 --> 00:56:06,540
and then the big shot comes on and he talks.

1296
00:56:06,540 --> 00:56:07,580
Yep.

1297
00:56:07,580 --> 00:56:10,820
No voiceovers at all.

1298
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:16,660
So I've seen people now producing videos that way,

1299
00:56:16,660 --> 00:56:20,620
so they don't have to pay the VO fee to the VO artist.

1300
00:56:21,780 --> 00:56:26,020
Likewise now with AI,

1301
00:56:26,020 --> 00:56:30,620
I mean you can tell if it's a voiceover from an AI.

1302
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:34,100
Dude, it's so flat, it's so fucked up, it's crazy.

1303
00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:39,100
Yeah, but what if there's an AI one day

1304
00:56:39,980 --> 00:56:42,340
that takes over the role of the MC?

1305
00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:46,900
Wow.

1306
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:52,140
I would think if the voice is realistic,

1307
00:56:52,140 --> 00:56:57,140
the VO work, that's tough.

1308
00:56:57,740 --> 00:56:58,740
That's really tough.

1309
00:57:00,380 --> 00:57:05,380
But I mean MC work, I still think,

1310
00:57:05,620 --> 00:57:09,060
you know it's like when you have an event

1311
00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:12,860
and you do a VO, people don't listen.

1312
00:57:12,860 --> 00:57:14,140
Some do, some do.

1313
00:57:14,140 --> 00:57:16,900
Just like asking them to sit themselves down,

1314
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:18,900
we're gonna start the program.

1315
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:20,220
I mean it happens to every event.

1316
00:57:20,220 --> 00:57:23,100
Before, you make an announcement like that,

1317
00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:23,940
nobody gives a shit.

1318
00:57:23,940 --> 00:57:25,740
60% will listen.

1319
00:57:25,740 --> 00:57:27,540
There'll be 30, 40% will be standing up.

1320
00:57:27,540 --> 00:57:28,380
Yeah.

1321
00:57:29,340 --> 00:57:31,780
But it takes somebody coming onto stage,

1322
00:57:33,380 --> 00:57:36,460
eyeballing them, that's the difference.

1323
00:57:36,460 --> 00:57:39,220
Or getting off the stage and eyeballing them.

1324
00:57:39,220 --> 00:57:41,500
But that's what I mean.

1325
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:46,180
And then an MC has to gauge the crowd.

1326
00:57:46,180 --> 00:57:50,740
You have to see what the audience is.

1327
00:57:50,740 --> 00:57:51,580
It's like me.

1328
00:57:51,580 --> 00:57:53,860
I mean I might think about doing a game.

1329
00:57:54,740 --> 00:57:57,500
But if the game is not translating,

1330
00:57:57,500 --> 00:57:59,820
I mean it doesn't translate to success in my eyes

1331
00:57:59,820 --> 00:58:00,980
because I'm not trying.

1332
00:58:00,980 --> 00:58:03,380
I'll change the game on stage straight away.

1333
00:58:03,380 --> 00:58:04,220
I can do that.

1334
00:58:05,620 --> 00:58:08,580
But an AI probably cannot.

1335
00:58:08,580 --> 00:58:09,620
I don't think so.

1336
00:58:09,620 --> 00:58:10,700
For the moment.

1337
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:12,740
For the moment obviously.

1338
00:58:12,740 --> 00:58:17,740
But I'm hesitant to think where this will develop, man.

1339
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:19,100
I don't know.

1340
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:21,740
It's scary enough because I think,

1341
00:58:21,740 --> 00:58:26,740
listening to you, this VO world where you come from

1342
00:58:27,060 --> 00:58:30,340
which you are great at, it's scary because I think,

1343
00:58:30,340 --> 00:58:32,940
I've heard some AIs that are mimicking

1344
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:38,620
what you call it, the people that call to make appointments?

1345
00:58:38,620 --> 00:58:41,740
Yeah, the...

1346
00:58:41,740 --> 00:58:42,780
Telemarketers. Telemarketers.

1347
00:58:42,780 --> 00:58:44,420
Telemarketers.

1348
00:58:44,420 --> 00:58:46,100
Some of them are quite realistic, man.

1349
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:47,140
Yeah, yeah.

1350
00:58:47,140 --> 00:58:49,540
So that's why I'm saying, hey,

1351
00:58:49,540 --> 00:58:53,540
but I still believe you need voice in there.

1352
00:58:53,540 --> 00:58:58,140
It changes the entire, I don't know, video.

1353
00:58:58,140 --> 00:59:01,340
But the trouble is that the world's embracing AI.

1354
00:59:02,980 --> 00:59:05,020
Look, don't get me the wrong way, man.

1355
00:59:05,020 --> 00:59:06,540
I've embraced chat GPT.

1356
00:59:06,540 --> 00:59:07,540
Okay. Okay.

1357
00:59:07,540 --> 00:59:09,540
It does great work for me.

1358
00:59:09,540 --> 00:59:14,060
I'm training my own chat GPT to do the stuff I really want,

1359
00:59:14,060 --> 00:59:16,620
give me the outcomes I'm looking for.

1360
00:59:16,620 --> 00:59:20,380
It's helpful in terms of aid me in my productivity.

1361
00:59:20,380 --> 00:59:21,220
Sure. Yeah.

1362
00:59:23,140 --> 00:59:27,780
But the trouble here is that when the world begins,

1363
00:59:27,780 --> 00:59:29,500
and I think they're beginning to,

1364
00:59:29,500 --> 00:59:33,180
start to embrace AI way too much,

1365
00:59:33,180 --> 00:59:35,060
to the point where it replaces everything.

1366
00:59:35,060 --> 00:59:36,540
I had a conversation with my son.

1367
00:59:36,540 --> 00:59:37,780
It was an interesting conversation.

1368
00:59:37,780 --> 00:59:41,020
For someone his age, it was pretty remarkable.

1369
00:59:41,020 --> 00:59:44,100
I know for a fact that he's got some good friends,

1370
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:45,060
classmates of his.

1371
00:59:45,060 --> 00:59:45,900
Okay.

1372
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:51,100
I just like one who wants to, when he grows up,

1373
00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:53,420
he wants to go into the aerospace industry.

1374
00:59:54,580 --> 00:59:56,100
Okay.

1375
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:59,220
And he was very hot about it because his dad's in it.

1376
01:00:00,340 --> 01:00:03,140
And then one fine day, I'm not the blue one,

1377
01:00:03,140 --> 01:00:04,820
just having conversation with my son

1378
01:00:04,820 --> 01:00:05,940
on the drive home from school.

1379
01:00:05,940 --> 01:00:09,340
And when I asked him, have you been thinking

1380
01:00:09,340 --> 01:00:12,780
about what you might want to do when you grow up?

1381
01:00:12,780 --> 01:00:15,340
And he went, well, I can tell you this.

1382
01:00:16,940 --> 01:00:19,580
There must be, it must be a job that's future-proof.

1383
01:00:21,140 --> 01:00:22,500
And I raised my eyebrows.

1384
01:00:24,020 --> 01:00:25,580
And then I've had this conversation,

1385
01:00:25,580 --> 01:00:27,540
actually the same conversation in one of my episodes

1386
01:00:27,540 --> 01:00:28,780
with Dr. Geraldine Tan.

1387
01:00:28,780 --> 01:00:31,100
I told her this story, I'm telling you now.

1388
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:36,100
And he told me his friend decided not to go into aeronautics.

1389
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:38,540
And I said, why?

1390
01:00:38,540 --> 01:00:40,740
And he says, because it's not future-proof.

1391
01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:42,620
You know?

1392
01:00:42,620 --> 01:00:44,780
So now begs the question,

1393
01:00:46,340 --> 01:00:47,820
since the world's embracing

1394
01:00:47,820 --> 01:00:51,780
and they're really hugging it tight, and that's AI.

1395
01:00:52,940 --> 01:00:54,940
So someone like you, man,

1396
01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:59,940
and our friends and compatriots who are younger,

1397
01:00:59,940 --> 01:01:04,220
maybe lesser time in the profession, yeah.

1398
01:01:05,420 --> 01:01:08,580
What do you think shelf life is gonna be like?

1399
01:01:08,580 --> 01:01:09,620
Let's talk about you.

1400
01:01:10,780 --> 01:01:11,620
Me.

1401
01:01:13,540 --> 01:01:15,540
I think I've got a good 10 years more.

1402
01:01:16,540 --> 01:01:17,620
65.

1403
01:01:17,620 --> 01:01:18,620
Yeah. Okay.

1404
01:01:18,620 --> 01:01:20,220
Because now look at me, man.

1405
01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:21,060
That's the new me.

1406
01:01:21,060 --> 01:01:24,900
Those of you who see me in my younger days,

1407
01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:26,940
I was twice my size.

1408
01:01:26,940 --> 01:01:30,780
And now I'm fit.

1409
01:01:30,780 --> 01:01:34,300
My energy levels is, I mean, still the same,

1410
01:01:34,300 --> 01:01:35,380
maybe even more.

1411
01:01:38,020 --> 01:01:43,020
I believe that AI can't take over the role of DMC.

1412
01:01:43,580 --> 01:01:45,340
Really? Yeah.

1413
01:01:45,340 --> 01:01:46,620
Really. Okay.

1414
01:01:46,620 --> 01:01:50,780
I mean, some other roles, you know?

1415
01:01:50,780 --> 01:01:52,180
Perhaps.

1416
01:01:52,180 --> 01:01:54,340
But not DMC.

1417
01:01:54,340 --> 01:01:55,820
So in 10 years. Yep.

1418
01:01:55,820 --> 01:01:58,380
In 10 years, say Cyril Lim, 65 years old,

1419
01:01:58,380 --> 01:02:00,020
decides to hang up the microphone.

1420
01:02:00,020 --> 01:02:00,860
Okay.

1421
01:02:00,860 --> 01:02:02,820
I don't know how the hell anyone can actually do that,

1422
01:02:02,820 --> 01:02:05,340
because you know, I'm like addicted to mics,

1423
01:02:05,340 --> 01:02:07,780
but I would just say, you know,

1424
01:02:07,780 --> 01:02:08,820
take a look at this, man.

1425
01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:11,660
That's the reason it shows.

1426
01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:13,620
So I will just say, I mean, you know,

1427
01:02:14,460 --> 01:02:16,660
10 years later, 65, you hang up your mic.

1428
01:02:16,660 --> 01:02:17,980
Yep.

1429
01:02:17,980 --> 01:02:19,660
What are your plans?

1430
01:02:19,660 --> 01:02:20,500
I don't know.

1431
01:02:20,500 --> 01:02:22,740
I mean, I'm exploring training

1432
01:02:22,740 --> 01:02:26,500
in a way that you've done.

1433
01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:28,100
I've got training certs.

1434
01:02:28,100 --> 01:02:30,540
I don't know what I want to train.

1435
01:02:30,540 --> 01:02:35,540
Some SMU reached out to me to conduct a master class.

1436
01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:39,900
I said, yes, we'll see where that leads,

1437
01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:44,140
because I mean, the older you are, you know,

1438
01:02:44,140 --> 01:02:45,980
you've got more experience, you can always,

1439
01:02:45,980 --> 01:02:47,580
I'm willing to share.

1440
01:02:47,580 --> 01:02:50,300
So that's something I'm thinking about.

1441
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:52,660
Other than that, I don't know, man.

1442
01:02:52,660 --> 01:02:56,100
Hey, man, I tell you what, when you're 65 and I'm 63,

1443
01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:58,460
we better sit down and have a chit chat about that, though.

1444
01:02:58,460 --> 01:03:03,460
Yeah, well, invite me back for more of your shows every week.

1445
01:03:06,580 --> 01:03:07,700
I got one more.

1446
01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:10,500
I would have you back anytime, just to answer your question.

1447
01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:11,660
Yes.

1448
01:03:11,660 --> 01:03:14,140
I got one more question to ask you before we say goodbye.

1449
01:03:14,140 --> 01:03:15,180
All right.

1450
01:03:15,180 --> 01:03:17,740
As a very experienced entertainer,

1451
01:03:17,740 --> 01:03:21,020
do you think on the whole, this industry,

1452
01:03:21,020 --> 01:03:25,620
have to make changes to improve livelihoods of MCs per se?

1453
01:03:30,100 --> 01:03:31,300
Singapore is weird.

1454
01:03:32,180 --> 01:03:33,020
All right.

1455
01:03:33,860 --> 01:03:35,580
Unfortunately, our market is small.

1456
01:03:37,660 --> 01:03:41,540
I think this has been talked about again and again.

1457
01:03:41,540 --> 01:03:45,820
I mean, we even, there was a time they tried to start Star.

1458
01:03:45,820 --> 01:03:47,220
Is it still around?

1459
01:03:47,220 --> 01:03:48,060
I don't know, man.

1460
01:03:48,060 --> 01:03:49,340
It's- Star Association?

1461
01:03:49,340 --> 01:03:52,940
Yeah, I think it's quietened down in the beginning,

1462
01:03:52,940 --> 01:03:54,940
maybe because of the pandemic as well.

1463
01:03:54,940 --> 01:03:55,780
Yeah, yeah.

1464
01:03:56,860 --> 01:03:59,580
The problem with the industry in Singapore

1465
01:03:59,580 --> 01:04:02,260
is everybody does their own thing.

1466
01:04:02,260 --> 01:04:03,100
Right.

1467
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:06,420
There's no, but it's hard.

1468
01:04:06,420 --> 01:04:11,260
I mean, I for one, can't give you advice on this

1469
01:04:11,260 --> 01:04:16,220
because I don't see where we can come together as one

1470
01:04:16,220 --> 01:04:17,980
because everybody has different views.

1471
01:04:17,980 --> 01:04:21,460
Who do you think is a major stakeholder of the industry?

1472
01:04:21,460 --> 01:04:25,700
As in first and foremost, I mean, the event companies, man.

1473
01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:27,580
So shouldn't they be the drivers?

1474
01:04:27,580 --> 01:04:29,820
More so than the MCs in a sense

1475
01:04:29,820 --> 01:04:32,100
because the event companies, I think they should take,

1476
01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:35,260
but I think a lot of them are selfish.

1477
01:04:35,260 --> 01:04:37,260
So it's a kaki-kokaki.

1478
01:04:37,260 --> 01:04:39,020
And it's also extra work, you know?

1479
01:04:39,020 --> 01:04:40,260
Well, yeah.

1480
01:04:40,260 --> 01:04:43,500
So I don't see anybody in our industry that wants to,

1481
01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:45,060
I mean, look at some of the other industries.

1482
01:04:45,060 --> 01:04:46,980
The people have to take the lead.

1483
01:04:46,980 --> 01:04:50,700
People who are of somewhere in that industry,

1484
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:52,220
they have to take the lead.

1485
01:04:52,220 --> 01:04:53,860
I don't see that in events.

1486
01:04:53,860 --> 01:04:54,700
Yeah.

1487
01:04:54,700 --> 01:04:56,660
So you're actually saying they're selfish, huh?

1488
01:04:56,660 --> 01:04:58,140
I would think so, most of them

1489
01:04:58,140 --> 01:05:00,660
because they're doing their own work.

1490
01:05:00,660 --> 01:05:03,540
And MCs in a way to them is, I mean,

1491
01:05:03,540 --> 01:05:05,620
it is needed for the artists.

1492
01:05:05,620 --> 01:05:09,020
Yeah, see, that's the thing I can't stand.

1493
01:05:09,020 --> 01:05:10,300
I've heard this before.

1494
01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:12,060
Whether or not it's in the event industry

1495
01:05:12,060 --> 01:05:14,420
or whether or not it's in the media industry, right?

1496
01:05:14,420 --> 01:05:16,220
If you're just the artist,

1497
01:05:16,220 --> 01:05:17,540
you're only the artist.

1498
01:05:17,540 --> 01:05:20,460
And that's the reason why I asked you that question just now.

1499
01:05:20,460 --> 01:05:22,140
What's the general opinion of people

1500
01:05:22,140 --> 01:05:26,180
within and without the industry of people like us?

1501
01:05:26,180 --> 01:05:28,580
Or even to be, you know, if I want to spread it out,

1502
01:05:28,580 --> 01:05:29,740
entertainers per se.

1503
01:05:31,660 --> 01:05:32,500
See, that's the thing.

1504
01:05:32,500 --> 01:05:34,660
I've had different, Chris, you know,

1505
01:05:34,660 --> 01:05:36,220
it all depends on who you're working with

1506
01:05:36,220 --> 01:05:37,940
and all depends on, you know, I've got-

1507
01:05:37,940 --> 01:05:39,060
Because you've been blessed.

1508
01:05:39,060 --> 01:05:40,540
You've had guys, the event companies

1509
01:05:40,540 --> 01:05:41,980
that take care of you very well.

1510
01:05:41,980 --> 01:05:44,900
But for me, I'm also, I go down there,

1511
01:05:44,900 --> 01:05:46,860
I never acted like a star.

1512
01:05:46,860 --> 01:05:48,340
I go down there, I'm there to work.

1513
01:05:48,340 --> 01:05:50,220
No, no, let me give you a Chris Hansen original.

1514
01:05:50,220 --> 01:05:51,300
If you heard it anywhere else,

1515
01:05:51,300 --> 01:05:52,860
that's bullshit, because it came from me.

1516
01:05:52,860 --> 01:05:53,980
You can copy, it's fine.

1517
01:05:53,980 --> 01:05:55,380
I'm not gonna grumble about.

1518
01:05:56,340 --> 01:05:59,740
The saying, the glue that binds the glitter, brother,

1519
01:05:59,740 --> 01:06:00,700
that's what we are.

1520
01:06:00,700 --> 01:06:01,540
Yeah.

1521
01:06:01,540 --> 01:06:02,380
Yeah.

1522
01:06:02,380 --> 01:06:03,860
We bind everything together.

1523
01:06:03,860 --> 01:06:08,740
And I tell you, even if the event company, okay,

1524
01:06:08,740 --> 01:06:13,300
doesn't do their job, if you have one of us,

1525
01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:14,620
the job gets done.

1526
01:06:14,620 --> 01:06:16,220
And nobody can see the gap.

1527
01:06:16,220 --> 01:06:17,540
Through whatever fuckups it may be.

1528
01:06:17,540 --> 01:06:18,380
Exactly.

1529
01:06:18,380 --> 01:06:19,860
Because nobody can tell them what's a fuckup.

1530
01:06:19,860 --> 01:06:21,140
Because if you're a pro,

1531
01:06:21,140 --> 01:06:24,100
and you're proud of what you do,

1532
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:27,140
no matter what happens, you don't screw the show.

1533
01:06:27,140 --> 01:06:29,860
Because you, however good you are, right,

1534
01:06:29,860 --> 01:06:32,220
you're only as good as your last event.

1535
01:06:32,220 --> 01:06:33,260
Correct.

1536
01:06:33,260 --> 01:06:35,060
You're only as good as our last event.

1537
01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:37,940
And that's why I've had the career I've had so far.

1538
01:06:37,940 --> 01:06:40,220
Because every time I go on stage,

1539
01:06:40,220 --> 01:06:43,060
whether I have the, if you have the backing,

1540
01:06:43,060 --> 01:06:44,700
it becomes a joy.

1541
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:46,620
You have a great audience, you've got the backing of the,

1542
01:06:46,620 --> 01:06:49,260
and then every time you turn around, the support is there.

1543
01:06:49,260 --> 01:06:50,540
You've got wonderful sound.

1544
01:06:50,540 --> 01:06:52,500
Hey, it's play.

1545
01:06:52,500 --> 01:06:54,660
Is that the reason why on even,

1546
01:06:54,660 --> 01:06:57,380
you know, wherever you're marketed, I see this,

1547
01:06:57,380 --> 01:06:59,860
because I do my research, I check on YouTube.

1548
01:06:59,860 --> 01:07:02,220
Serolim comes, must come,

1549
01:07:02,220 --> 01:07:06,460
does not use in-house sound systems.

1550
01:07:06,460 --> 01:07:09,500
You must come with your own system and your own DJ.

1551
01:07:09,500 --> 01:07:10,820
Oh no, no, DJ.

1552
01:07:10,820 --> 01:07:12,460
Not sound systems.

1553
01:07:12,460 --> 01:07:14,540
Which means that you always insist.

1554
01:07:14,540 --> 01:07:15,380
On my own.

1555
01:07:15,380 --> 01:07:18,260
Yeah, but that the sound system must be hired

1556
01:07:19,780 --> 01:07:21,380
from a contractor.

1557
01:07:22,340 --> 01:07:24,380
No, you're really using the house systems.

1558
01:07:25,580 --> 01:07:27,220
I've used house systems.

1559
01:07:27,220 --> 01:07:28,060
Yeah.

1560
01:07:28,060 --> 01:07:31,460
Would you believe I had to host a wedding dinner

1561
01:07:31,460 --> 01:07:33,060
with ceiling speakers, bro?

1562
01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:33,900
Yeah, I know.

1563
01:07:34,860 --> 01:07:36,420
And that's the problem, right?

1564
01:07:36,420 --> 01:07:39,580
You know, you can, however good, how good you are,

1565
01:07:39,580 --> 01:07:42,460
when the audience can't hear you.

1566
01:07:42,460 --> 01:07:43,300
Exactly.

1567
01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:44,500
And then they expect you to do games.

1568
01:07:44,500 --> 01:07:45,460
Yeah, I know.

1569
01:07:45,460 --> 01:07:48,460
Okay, but do people accede to your request

1570
01:07:48,460 --> 01:07:50,540
that you do not use in-house systems?

1571
01:07:52,140 --> 01:07:55,460
When you have a certain brand, like B,

1572
01:07:56,580 --> 01:07:58,220
in the past, yes.

1573
01:07:58,220 --> 01:08:00,220
I don't know about, I don't know as I go on

1574
01:08:00,220 --> 01:08:02,260
because there are new people coming up,

1575
01:08:02,260 --> 01:08:05,060
but because when you hold a certain brand,

1576
01:08:05,060 --> 01:08:06,660
they see you differently.

1577
01:08:06,660 --> 01:08:08,300
And yes, they see my reaction.

1578
01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:09,700
Just to let you know, man, I understand

1579
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:11,420
how you're coming from because I do the same thing.

1580
01:08:11,420 --> 01:08:13,300
I don't want to use in-house systems too.

1581
01:08:13,300 --> 01:08:14,500
And I tell clients the same thing.

1582
01:08:14,500 --> 01:08:16,300
If you want to use that, you're not getting me.

1583
01:08:16,300 --> 01:08:17,660
You can pay me whatever money you want

1584
01:08:17,660 --> 01:08:18,660
to get the fuck out of my face.

1585
01:08:18,660 --> 01:08:19,820
I'm not doing the show.

1586
01:08:19,820 --> 01:08:20,780
There you go.

1587
01:08:20,780 --> 01:08:21,620
Yeah, I understand.

1588
01:08:21,620 --> 01:08:22,460
I understand.

1589
01:08:22,460 --> 01:08:24,940
Just wanted to ask and see what you have to say about that.

1590
01:08:24,940 --> 01:08:27,660
How confident are you of the future?

1591
01:08:27,660 --> 01:08:30,300
Well, for future as an MC?

1592
01:08:30,300 --> 01:08:31,140
Well, yeah.

1593
01:08:31,140 --> 01:08:33,340
Well, I mean, hey, it's great.

1594
01:08:33,340 --> 01:08:35,180
Since pandemic, it opened up.

1595
01:08:35,180 --> 01:08:36,500
It's been great for me.

1596
01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:38,140
Like I told you, man, now,

1597
01:08:38,140 --> 01:08:41,300
I feel there's a bit of blur of lines,

1598
01:08:42,380 --> 01:08:43,820
the influencers coming in this,

1599
01:08:43,820 --> 01:08:48,820
but I know my worth and I know what I can give

1600
01:08:49,860 --> 01:08:53,300
and I think it's bright for me.

1601
01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:54,180
Great.

1602
01:08:54,180 --> 01:08:56,660
I'm happy to hear you say that.

1603
01:08:56,660 --> 01:08:59,820
And I've been really happy having you here

1604
01:08:59,820 --> 01:09:01,460
in the studio.

1605
01:09:01,460 --> 01:09:03,180
I'm just, like I told you, man,

1606
01:09:03,180 --> 01:09:07,180
I'm just an old, boring old fart riding into the sunset.

1607
01:09:07,180 --> 01:09:08,260
Thanks for having me.

1608
01:09:08,260 --> 01:09:09,820
I don't know, episode seven, right?

1609
01:09:09,820 --> 01:09:11,260
This is episode seven, man.

1610
01:09:11,260 --> 01:09:12,100
Well, thanks so much.

1611
01:09:12,100 --> 01:09:14,540
You've been watching.

1612
01:09:14,540 --> 01:09:16,900
See, I wanted to say something else now.

1613
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:20,340
You've been watching the Chris Hansen conversation

1614
01:09:20,340 --> 01:09:22,980
and with me, Cyril Lim, MC extraordinaire.

1615
01:09:22,980 --> 01:09:25,140
I hope you've enjoyed this episode.

1616
01:09:25,140 --> 01:09:26,580
Don't forget, don't forget,

1617
01:09:26,580 --> 01:09:29,580
next time any one of you guys have got a deal with an MC,

1618
01:09:29,580 --> 01:09:31,740
be nice, okay?

1619
01:09:31,740 --> 01:09:34,740
We really work very, very hard

1620
01:09:34,740 --> 01:09:39,260
and we can do things that you certainly cannot.

1621
01:09:39,260 --> 01:09:43,940
Until next time, I'll see you again on CHC.

1622
01:09:43,940 --> 01:09:44,780
Bye-bye.

1623
01:09:44,780 --> 01:09:45,980
Bye-bye.

1624
01:09:45,980 --> 01:09:46,820
Mm.

1625
01:09:46,820 --> 01:10:07,820
Mm.