1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,520 You don't have to be a prominent Eurasian. Every Eurasian is prominent. Everybody can help in some way or other. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:08,020 Right. 3 00:00:08,020 --> 00:00:09,180 You don't have to be rich. 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:23,460 Hi everyone. Welcome to yet another episode of CHC. It is the Chris Hansen conversation and I always have the best kind of people seated with me in my studio at CCB TV. 5 00:00:23,460 --> 00:00:33,080 And tonight I have someone really special. She's the one that beats the ethnic beat for a particular ethnic community in Singapore. 6 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:41,060 I'm saying it because I am from that community and she is Sandra Galiston. Thank you very much for being here and welcome to the show, Sandra. 7 00:00:41,060 --> 00:00:42,060 I'm very happy to be here. 8 00:00:42,060 --> 00:00:46,760 Okay, hang on a second. I think you're going to move in just a little bit so that we can pick you up. Okay. 9 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:55,040 Right, Sandra. Thank you once again for being here and I need to do this. This is customary before we begin all the chit chat. 10 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:55,540 Yeah. 11 00:00:55,540 --> 00:00:56,040 Okay. 12 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:08,040 We've got with us this marvelous, probably, and I say this and it is true, the most crispiest, fluffiest damn vades in the land. 13 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:14,240 And it is from Gordon's Vade and they feed me and my guests all the time. 14 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:19,740 So thank you, Vijay. Thank you, Gordon's Vade. And feel free, you know, to munch away at this. 15 00:01:19,740 --> 00:01:20,240 Yes, I will. 16 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,740 These munchkins are amazing. 17 00:01:21,740 --> 00:01:22,240 Definitely. 18 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:30,240 Amazing. So, San, I want to start another thing that's traditional here for me, okay, on all of my shows. 19 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:37,240 I will always want to throw the mic over to my guest and ask this question and it's all yours, yeah? 20 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:37,740 Okay. 21 00:01:37,740 --> 00:01:45,240 Who is Sandra Gallistan? 22 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:46,240 Hard question to answer. 23 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:46,740 Really? 24 00:01:46,740 --> 00:01:47,240 Or like that. 25 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,740 Singaporean. 26 00:01:49,740 --> 00:01:50,240 Okay. 27 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,240 True blue Singaporean. 28 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:51,740 Great. 29 00:01:51,740 --> 00:01:53,240 Proudly Eurasian. 30 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:54,740 Definitely. 31 00:01:54,740 --> 00:02:01,740 Definitely, proudly Eurasian and I'm just trying to do the best for the community right now. 32 00:02:01,740 --> 00:02:07,240 Okay. What do you do, actually, for, do you do, you have a profession, you have a job, a career? 33 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:08,740 I'm a photographer. 34 00:02:08,740 --> 00:02:10,740 Yeah, okay, you're a photographer. 35 00:02:10,740 --> 00:02:11,740 Professional photographer. 36 00:02:11,740 --> 00:02:13,740 Wow. How long have you been doing that? 37 00:02:13,740 --> 00:02:15,740 About 15. 38 00:02:15,740 --> 00:02:17,740 So what kind of, 15, 18 years. 39 00:02:17,740 --> 00:02:19,740 What kind of photography do you do? 40 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:24,740 I started off in Hong Kong. We did fashion shoots. 41 00:02:24,740 --> 00:02:25,240 Right. 42 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:31,740 And I learned from a lot of people there. And then came back to Singapore, started out my own little business. 43 00:02:31,740 --> 00:02:35,740 And we do events. We do, I do portraiture. 44 00:02:35,740 --> 00:02:36,240 Oh. 45 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,240 Yes. 46 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:37,740 Wow. 47 00:02:37,740 --> 00:02:41,740 And then I went to India to live for a couple of years. 48 00:02:41,740 --> 00:02:46,740 And then I did professional photography, videography for the Dalai Lama. 49 00:02:46,740 --> 00:02:48,240 For the Dalai Lama. 50 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,740 Yes. 51 00:02:49,740 --> 00:02:50,740 Wait a second. 52 00:02:50,740 --> 00:02:52,240 Yes. 53 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:57,240 Are you saying that you are, you were, are, were the official? 54 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,740 Were, yes. 55 00:02:58,740 --> 00:02:59,740 Photographer? 56 00:02:59,740 --> 00:03:04,240 The official photographer is Tenzin. It's, I mean, he works in Dalai Lama's office. 57 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:04,740 Right. 58 00:03:04,740 --> 00:03:10,240 But all the Singapore groups that came in to India, I did the photography for them. 59 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:10,740 Okay. 60 00:03:10,740 --> 00:03:11,240 Yeah. 61 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,740 Okay. Wow. 62 00:03:12,740 --> 00:03:14,740 So you met the Dalai Lama. 63 00:03:14,740 --> 00:03:15,740 Yes I have. 64 00:03:15,740 --> 00:03:16,740 You have conversed. 65 00:03:16,740 --> 00:03:17,740 Several times. 66 00:03:17,740 --> 00:03:18,740 Oh wow. 67 00:03:18,740 --> 00:03:19,740 Yes. 68 00:03:19,740 --> 00:03:24,740 Now that we're on that topic, should I do this? 69 00:03:24,740 --> 00:03:25,740 Should I? 70 00:03:25,740 --> 00:03:26,740 Go for it. 71 00:03:26,740 --> 00:03:30,740 Okay. That tongue sucking incident. 72 00:03:30,740 --> 00:03:31,240 Yes. 73 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,740 What's your take on it? 74 00:03:32,740 --> 00:03:37,240 Okay. When it first came out, it was just, I saw the clip. 75 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:37,740 Right. 76 00:03:37,740 --> 00:03:43,240 And I didn't think much of it. And then after that, everything was, everyone was outraged. 77 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,240 Everyone was the uproar. 78 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:50,740 And then I was like, you know, I lived in the Tibetan community for years. 79 00:03:50,740 --> 00:03:56,740 I lived in the Tibetan, with Tibetans. My neighbours were Tibetans, the Lamas. 80 00:03:56,740 --> 00:04:02,740 This thing is, it is actually not suck my tongue, it's eat my tongue. 81 00:04:02,740 --> 00:04:04,740 Okay. I don't know which is. 82 00:04:04,740 --> 00:04:06,740 Okay. So. 83 00:04:06,740 --> 00:04:07,740 I don't know which is. 84 00:04:07,740 --> 00:04:12,740 It is, it is a Tibetan, say the grandparents and elder. 85 00:04:12,740 --> 00:04:13,240 Right. 86 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,740 They will give the grandchildren sweets and love and hugs. 87 00:04:17,740 --> 00:04:18,240 Right. 88 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:23,740 And then after that, the grandparents would say, I got nothing left for you, but for you to eat my tongue. 89 00:04:23,740 --> 00:04:24,740 It's a Tibetan cut. 90 00:04:24,740 --> 00:04:25,740 So it's a cultural thing. 91 00:04:25,740 --> 00:04:26,740 It's an absolute cultural thing. 92 00:04:26,740 --> 00:04:28,740 And it's acceptable in their culture. 93 00:04:28,740 --> 00:04:32,740 Everybody does it. They don't actually, may not actually do it. 94 00:04:32,740 --> 00:04:33,240 Right. 95 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:34,740 But it's said. 96 00:04:34,740 --> 00:04:35,240 Okay. 97 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,740 Nothing left for you but to eat my tongue. 98 00:04:37,740 --> 00:04:38,240 Okay. 99 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:45,740 So it's not, it has never been seen. My neighbours have done it. 100 00:04:45,740 --> 00:04:53,740 The problem comes when His Holiness the Dalai Lama, because he taught himself English. 101 00:04:53,740 --> 00:04:54,240 Right. 102 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:59,740 It's okay. And instead of saying the word eat my tongue, which is that usual Tibetan phrase. 103 00:04:59,740 --> 00:05:01,740 He said suck my tongue. 104 00:05:01,740 --> 00:05:06,740 So, and the video is all spliced up. I mean you work in media, you know. 105 00:05:06,740 --> 00:05:07,240 Right. 106 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:07,740 How they can just. 107 00:05:07,740 --> 00:05:08,740 Yeah, you know. 108 00:05:08,740 --> 00:05:09,240 You know. 109 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:09,740 Yeah. 110 00:05:09,740 --> 00:05:10,740 And make it sensational. 111 00:05:10,740 --> 00:05:15,740 All the interesting cuts and snippets, but the important ones they throw away. 112 00:05:15,740 --> 00:05:19,740 The boy's parents were sitting just, you know, ten feet from them. 113 00:05:19,740 --> 00:05:20,740 Yeah. 114 00:05:20,740 --> 00:05:21,740 There were hundreds of people. 115 00:05:21,740 --> 00:05:23,740 Was this boy a Tibetan boy? 116 00:05:23,740 --> 00:05:24,740 No, I think he was an Indian boy. 117 00:05:24,740 --> 00:05:25,740 Indian boy. 118 00:05:25,740 --> 00:05:26,740 Indian boy. 119 00:05:26,740 --> 00:05:27,740 Okay. 120 00:05:27,740 --> 00:05:33,740 So everybody was laughing when the Dalai Lama said that because people in the audience are familiar with it. 121 00:05:33,740 --> 00:05:34,740 Okay. 122 00:05:34,740 --> 00:05:38,740 And so some of the comments were, oh how can everyone be laughing? 123 00:05:38,740 --> 00:05:40,740 It is precisely because you are something so innocent. 124 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:41,740 Right. 125 00:05:41,740 --> 00:05:46,740 In fact, when I've met the Dalai Lama, you know, he's always playing with people's beards. 126 00:05:46,740 --> 00:05:49,740 I photographed it myself of him doing that. 127 00:05:49,740 --> 00:05:51,740 He ruffled my hair. 128 00:05:51,740 --> 00:05:54,740 So it's a very, it's a cultural thing. 129 00:05:54,740 --> 00:06:04,740 So people basically, based on, for lack of a better description, based on conventional wisdom, whatever the fuck that would mean. 130 00:06:04,740 --> 00:06:15,740 In other cultures outside of the Tibetan culture, misconstrued that as something maybe what a pedophile would actually do, right? 131 00:06:15,740 --> 00:06:16,740 Exactly. 132 00:06:16,740 --> 00:06:18,740 A pedophile would do it on national TV. 133 00:06:18,740 --> 00:06:21,740 Actually, you got a very good point there. 134 00:06:21,740 --> 00:06:24,740 I mean, there are hundreds of cameras everywhere. 135 00:06:24,740 --> 00:06:25,740 Yeah. 136 00:06:25,740 --> 00:06:26,740 Yeah, that's a good point. 137 00:06:26,740 --> 00:06:27,740 That's a good point. 138 00:06:27,740 --> 00:06:29,740 Why would a pedophile do this openly, right? 139 00:06:29,740 --> 00:06:36,740 So something in life, something very innocent can be construed into something very bad. 140 00:06:36,740 --> 00:06:37,740 Yeah. 141 00:06:37,740 --> 00:06:38,740 And that just happens all the time. 142 00:06:38,740 --> 00:06:39,740 That's sad. 143 00:06:39,740 --> 00:06:44,740 And this is just people with this fucked up cancel culture bullshit. 144 00:06:44,740 --> 00:06:45,740 And you have this. 145 00:06:45,740 --> 00:06:46,740 Calling out. 146 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:54,740 And you have His Holiness that has spent his life devoted to good works and peace and harmony and everything. 147 00:06:54,740 --> 00:07:01,740 And then that one misconstrued moment and everybody just goes through it. 148 00:07:01,740 --> 00:07:02,740 That's life, isn't it? 149 00:07:02,740 --> 00:07:03,740 Yeah, that's life. 150 00:07:03,740 --> 00:07:05,740 You can do good and then. 151 00:07:05,740 --> 00:07:08,740 But now that we're on that topic, that's life. 152 00:07:08,740 --> 00:07:12,740 You can do good and then people actually come and screw you over. 153 00:07:12,740 --> 00:07:17,740 You know, over something that you see something, oh, oh, you did that. 154 00:07:17,740 --> 00:07:22,740 It's almost a joy that they found that they take pleasure in it. 155 00:07:22,740 --> 00:07:24,740 Yes, they take pleasure in that. 156 00:07:24,740 --> 00:07:29,740 So, but in your time, because besides being a professional photographer, 157 00:07:29,740 --> 00:07:34,740 and this is the first I'm hearing, man, that you actually sat down at the Dalai Lama. 158 00:07:34,740 --> 00:07:37,740 And you were taking pictures for him, etc., etc. 159 00:07:37,740 --> 00:07:45,740 But the reason why you are in my studio is because you're this person that you look today is the first time I think we've met face to face. 160 00:07:45,740 --> 00:07:46,740 Right. 161 00:07:46,740 --> 00:07:48,740 I know you from social media. 162 00:07:48,740 --> 00:07:55,740 And the reason why you I know you off social media is because of the great work in my opinion. 163 00:07:55,740 --> 00:08:00,740 And I don't give a I don't give a care in a world where anyone else might think. 164 00:08:00,740 --> 00:08:06,740 But in my what I see every day and I just it marbles me. 165 00:08:06,740 --> 00:08:11,740 Eurasians and it's not just Eurasians in Singapore. 166 00:08:11,740 --> 00:08:20,740 The Eurasians internationally birthdays from birthdays to passing. 167 00:08:20,740 --> 00:08:21,740 Yeah. 168 00:08:21,740 --> 00:08:27,740 And you you put posts up either congratulating people for birthdays, 169 00:08:27,740 --> 00:08:33,740 wedding anniversaries, even even, you know, sympathies and condolences to those who passed on. 170 00:08:33,740 --> 00:08:40,740 I think this is how you do more than what a broadsheet newspaper would be doing, man. 171 00:08:40,740 --> 00:08:43,740 I think it's amazing. Really, it's amazing stuff. 172 00:08:43,740 --> 00:08:53,740 For those of you who don't know, Sam Galliston is a person that is running the show of this marvelous portal. 173 00:08:53,740 --> 00:09:00,740 Can I say that portal? We see all the time on social media is called Eurasians International. 174 00:09:00,740 --> 00:09:08,740 And she's a person I call who beats that ethnic beat for the Eurasian community, not just in Singapore. 175 00:09:08,740 --> 00:09:14,740 Really everywhere. I remember there was a time I and this one really got me. 176 00:09:14,740 --> 00:09:22,740 I read this post about one Eurasian lady living in Canada whose apartment burned down. 177 00:09:22,740 --> 00:09:24,740 Yes. 178 00:09:24,740 --> 00:09:30,740 And I was thinking and I was going, what? How? 179 00:09:30,740 --> 00:09:39,740 This is news from halfway across the globe of someone from the Eurasian community living there as a Canadian, I would assume. 180 00:09:39,740 --> 00:09:40,740 Yes. 181 00:09:40,740 --> 00:09:41,740 And having lost everything. 182 00:09:41,740 --> 00:09:42,740 Yes. 183 00:09:42,740 --> 00:09:45,740 And then you guys tried to seek help and crowd fund for her, right? 184 00:09:45,740 --> 00:09:46,740 Yes. 185 00:09:46,740 --> 00:09:47,740 Did it work out? 186 00:09:47,740 --> 00:09:51,740 I think it did work out, but to what extent, I don't know. 187 00:09:51,740 --> 00:09:53,740 Sure. But people did come for it. 188 00:09:53,740 --> 00:09:54,740 Yes. 189 00:09:54,740 --> 00:09:59,740 So this has been a great platform for people like that, people in need, right? 190 00:09:59,740 --> 00:10:03,740 Definitely. Because we have the Eurasians that have migrated all over the world. 191 00:10:03,740 --> 00:10:04,740 Right. 192 00:10:04,740 --> 00:10:11,740 And as much as they have settled down as an Aussie or a Brit, they're still Eurasian at heart. 193 00:10:11,740 --> 00:10:15,740 You know? There's still that Eurasian in them. 194 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:21,740 And so being part of that platform where they can come together and, you know, 195 00:10:21,740 --> 00:10:25,740 see how everyone is doing around the world, I think that's very important. 196 00:10:25,740 --> 00:10:27,740 What else does Eurasian International do? 197 00:10:27,740 --> 00:10:38,740 Okay. We started off with collecting data for all the Eurasians that have passed in the grave at Tua Chau Kang. 198 00:10:38,740 --> 00:10:48,740 So we have 2,188 documented images of Eurasians that have passed. 199 00:10:48,740 --> 00:10:55,740 Yes. So because Bidadari, you know, my uncle was buried at Bidadari. 200 00:10:55,740 --> 00:10:56,740 Which is all gone now, right? 201 00:10:56,740 --> 00:11:00,740 Which is all gone now. So I don't have even a picture of his grave. 202 00:11:00,740 --> 00:11:07,740 And I told my sister, I said, how sad is that? I mean, you know, nobody made an effort to keep all these pictures. 203 00:11:07,740 --> 00:11:12,740 And, you know, now it's so easy to take photos. So I started doing it at Tua Chau Kang. 204 00:11:12,740 --> 00:11:18,740 And slowly over the last three years, taking pictures of everybody's grave. 205 00:11:18,740 --> 00:11:25,740 And so we have a database now of 2,188 of which if somebody comes from Australia and says, 206 00:11:25,740 --> 00:11:36,740 oh, my uncle died in 1997 and he's probably his buried in Tua Chau Kang, I can kind of trace their grave for them. 207 00:11:36,740 --> 00:11:40,740 Really? Yes. The plot, where they are? Yes, I've done it. 208 00:11:40,740 --> 00:11:49,740 Okay, I need to ask you. You, it's noble, it's brilliant, it's fantastic. 209 00:11:49,740 --> 00:11:58,740 I got to say, hats off to you. You spent time going, fighting graves. 210 00:11:58,740 --> 00:12:03,740 I'm sorry, I'm not funny, but it made us also at the same time. 211 00:12:03,740 --> 00:12:05,740 You know, and you went. 212 00:12:05,740 --> 00:12:06,740 We spent Sundays here. 213 00:12:06,740 --> 00:12:07,740 Wow. 214 00:12:07,740 --> 00:12:08,740 Very fun thing. 215 00:12:08,740 --> 00:12:09,740 Wow. 216 00:12:09,740 --> 00:12:12,740 And we would go around and say, oh, this is our, yes, take pictures, this side, that side. 217 00:12:12,740 --> 00:12:16,740 If the graves are like, okay, we just go on and on and on. 218 00:12:16,740 --> 00:12:21,740 But seriously, what's that seed of motivation that would get you to do something like that, 219 00:12:21,740 --> 00:12:24,740 as well as starting, you know, Eurasian International? 220 00:12:24,740 --> 00:12:26,740 I mean, what is that motivation? 221 00:12:26,740 --> 00:12:30,740 Because it is part of bringing the community together. 222 00:12:30,740 --> 00:12:33,740 Setting up our food bank is one part of it. 223 00:12:33,740 --> 00:12:35,740 Okay, okay, food bank, food bank. Let's talk about that. 224 00:12:35,740 --> 00:12:38,740 Now you're talking about food bank. I'm sorry. I do this, my brain just goes that way. 225 00:12:38,740 --> 00:12:41,740 So food bank, what food bank is this? 226 00:12:41,740 --> 00:12:46,740 Okay, so Eurasian International started our own food bank, food bank a few years ago. 227 00:12:46,740 --> 00:12:51,740 And it started off very small with my family members donating food. 228 00:12:51,740 --> 00:12:53,740 And then people would call me. 229 00:12:53,740 --> 00:12:59,740 In fact, before that, somebody called me and said, hey, Sen, you know, I have this auntie staying in Bukit Merah, whatever. 230 00:12:59,740 --> 00:13:02,740 And, you know, she's finding it a bit difficult. 231 00:13:02,740 --> 00:13:03,740 Right. 232 00:13:03,740 --> 00:13:06,740 Everything. And I was like, oh, okay, how many people in the house? 233 00:13:06,740 --> 00:13:10,740 One, two, three. So I went there and I just gave a parcel to her. 234 00:13:10,740 --> 00:13:14,740 It started off very small. 235 00:13:14,740 --> 00:13:23,740 And then more and more Eurasians started calling us and saying, oh, we have this person, we have this person, this family, this help. 236 00:13:23,740 --> 00:13:29,740 And then I thought to myself, oh, it's getting a bit big. 237 00:13:29,740 --> 00:13:30,740 A bit big, yeah. 238 00:13:30,740 --> 00:13:43,740 Yeah, we already got 10 families. And then so I asked the community, our own Eurasian community, look, I've got 10 families and we need this food. 239 00:13:43,740 --> 00:13:47,740 So can you all donate? You don't have to donate a lot. 240 00:13:47,740 --> 00:13:53,740 We didn't ask for like a lot of food. Cans of soap, some rice, whatever. 241 00:13:53,740 --> 00:13:59,740 And we used to drive and go pick it up. And then some of them would take NTC and then they would bring the food to us. 242 00:13:59,740 --> 00:14:07,740 So then it was getting to the point that my house was getting overcrowded. 243 00:14:07,740 --> 00:14:15,740 I was like, I was going to pour all this food. So I recreated, I made a storeroom and had this pantry. 244 00:14:15,740 --> 00:14:25,740 And then now we have 39 families, oh, sorry, 37 families, two Eurasian, two have died, passed away since then. 245 00:14:25,740 --> 00:14:28,740 So we have 37 families that we take care of. 246 00:14:28,740 --> 00:14:29,740 Wow. 247 00:14:29,740 --> 00:14:30,740 Yeah, on a monthly basis. 248 00:14:30,740 --> 00:14:31,740 Wow. 249 00:14:31,740 --> 00:14:39,740 And then we started, because what is very important to me is Eurasian businesses. 250 00:14:39,740 --> 00:14:40,740 Okay. 251 00:14:40,740 --> 00:14:43,740 That's something that's also very close to my heart. 252 00:14:43,740 --> 00:14:44,740 Right. 253 00:14:44,740 --> 00:14:50,740 I feel that there, you know, when the Chinese first came to Singapore, they set up a clan. 254 00:14:50,740 --> 00:14:51,740 Clan associations. 255 00:14:51,740 --> 00:14:52,740 Clan. 256 00:14:52,740 --> 00:14:53,740 Yes. 257 00:14:53,740 --> 00:14:54,740 All the business owners. 258 00:14:54,740 --> 00:14:55,740 Right. 259 00:14:55,740 --> 00:14:56,740 We've never done that with Eurasians. 260 00:14:56,740 --> 00:14:57,740 Why do you think that's the case? 261 00:14:57,740 --> 00:14:58,740 I don't know why. 262 00:14:58,740 --> 00:15:01,740 It's like it has never been a priority. 263 00:15:01,740 --> 00:15:10,740 And when the Eurasian businesses don't do well, people are quick to say, Eurasians don't know how to do business, you don't know how to make money. 264 00:15:10,740 --> 00:15:11,740 You get that too? 265 00:15:11,740 --> 00:15:12,740 I get that too. 266 00:15:12,740 --> 00:15:17,740 So I was always like, you know, I've studied communities. 267 00:15:17,740 --> 00:15:18,740 I studied the Japanese community. 268 00:15:18,740 --> 00:15:23,740 I've studied Jews, very close and successful communities. 269 00:15:23,740 --> 00:15:24,740 Right. 270 00:15:24,740 --> 00:15:25,740 Why? Why? Why? 271 00:15:25,740 --> 00:15:27,740 Because they make the system so successful. 272 00:15:27,740 --> 00:15:28,740 Right. 273 00:15:28,740 --> 00:15:29,740 Cohesive. 274 00:15:29,740 --> 00:15:30,740 Right. 275 00:15:30,740 --> 00:15:32,740 And it's because they support each other. 276 00:15:32,740 --> 00:15:40,740 Well, maybe in the past, we are used to criticize each other rather than support. 277 00:15:40,740 --> 00:15:41,740 Okay. 278 00:15:41,740 --> 00:15:49,740 So when I started EI, I told myself, no, I'm going to try to change that for our members. 279 00:15:49,740 --> 00:15:51,740 So I started the EI business owners group. 280 00:15:51,740 --> 00:15:52,740 Okay. 281 00:15:52,740 --> 00:15:54,740 So I started one, two, three business owners. 282 00:15:54,740 --> 00:15:57,740 We have over 154 now. 283 00:15:57,740 --> 00:15:58,740 Okay. 284 00:15:58,740 --> 00:15:59,740 That we support worldwide. 285 00:15:59,740 --> 00:16:00,740 Okay. 286 00:16:00,740 --> 00:16:03,740 And what do you guys do to help this business network? 287 00:16:03,740 --> 00:16:04,740 Yeah. 288 00:16:04,740 --> 00:16:06,740 So we help to promote them. 289 00:16:06,740 --> 00:16:09,740 We help to write features about them. 290 00:16:09,740 --> 00:16:16,740 We find out what their aims are, what their goals are. 291 00:16:16,740 --> 00:16:19,740 Because some people are happy to be home-based businesses. 292 00:16:19,740 --> 00:16:20,740 Sure. 293 00:16:20,740 --> 00:16:21,740 Small. 294 00:16:21,740 --> 00:16:22,740 Yeah. 295 00:16:22,740 --> 00:16:23,740 They don't want to scale up. 296 00:16:23,740 --> 00:16:24,740 They are happy to be. 297 00:16:24,740 --> 00:16:25,740 That's fine. 298 00:16:25,740 --> 00:16:30,740 And if we can help them to earn a living and be comfortable, why not? 299 00:16:30,740 --> 00:16:37,740 At the same time, so the main point of it is the Eurasian business owners, the home cooks. 300 00:16:37,740 --> 00:16:38,740 Right. 301 00:16:38,740 --> 00:16:42,740 And doing that, we're also keeping the heritage, Eurasian heritage food alive. 302 00:16:42,740 --> 00:16:43,740 Right. 303 00:16:43,740 --> 00:16:51,740 So that explains what I see often enough, all the stuff you put out for home bakes and 304 00:16:51,740 --> 00:16:52,740 home cooks. 305 00:16:52,740 --> 00:16:53,740 Right. 306 00:16:53,740 --> 00:16:54,740 Right. 307 00:16:54,740 --> 00:16:55,740 Right. 308 00:16:55,740 --> 00:16:56,740 Okay. 309 00:16:56,740 --> 00:17:02,740 So then what I thought is, okay, we are giving provisions and there's a certain segment of 310 00:17:02,740 --> 00:17:04,740 our members that's helping. 311 00:17:04,740 --> 00:17:10,740 We have so many home-based businesses that they can provide bentos. 312 00:17:10,740 --> 00:17:18,740 So then the members can then go to the business owners and say, oh, I want to sponsor 20 bentos. 313 00:17:18,740 --> 00:17:19,740 Right. 314 00:17:19,740 --> 00:17:20,740 So it works also. 315 00:17:20,740 --> 00:17:25,740 So you're the business owners, you're helping the recipients and the sponsors, and it's 316 00:17:25,740 --> 00:17:27,740 all we are doing it ourselves. 317 00:17:27,740 --> 00:17:28,740 Right. 318 00:17:28,740 --> 00:17:29,740 We're not asking anyone else for money. 319 00:17:29,740 --> 00:17:30,740 Wow. 320 00:17:30,740 --> 00:17:31,740 Wow. 321 00:17:31,740 --> 00:17:36,740 So it's all within the- So all this started with taking pictures of 322 00:17:36,740 --> 00:17:37,740 graves. 323 00:17:37,740 --> 00:17:38,740 Yeah. 324 00:17:38,740 --> 00:17:39,740 For the community. 325 00:17:39,740 --> 00:17:40,740 Yes. 326 00:17:40,740 --> 00:17:41,740 Yes. 327 00:17:41,740 --> 00:17:43,740 And then evolved into- Into this whole- 328 00:17:43,740 --> 00:17:44,740 The business network. 329 00:17:44,740 --> 00:17:45,740 The business network. 330 00:17:45,740 --> 00:17:48,740 And it evolved into the food, first the food bank and then the business network. 331 00:17:48,740 --> 00:17:49,740 Is there anything else? 332 00:17:49,740 --> 00:17:50,740 I'm sure there are. 333 00:17:50,740 --> 00:17:51,740 I'm sure there are. 334 00:17:51,740 --> 00:17:56,740 And we feel that, like the musicians, we want to help them. 335 00:17:56,740 --> 00:18:07,740 When they put out their videos, we want every Eurasian to know who is Chris Hansen, who's 336 00:18:07,740 --> 00:18:10,740 Leonard Rizal, who's every- It's like, what a shame. 337 00:18:10,740 --> 00:18:13,740 You don't even know your own people. 338 00:18:13,740 --> 00:18:14,740 Yeah. 339 00:18:14,740 --> 00:18:15,740 You know? 340 00:18:15,740 --> 00:18:23,740 I mean, we Eurasians are- Well, proudly, we Eurasians are known to be talented when 341 00:18:23,740 --> 00:18:24,740 music is concerned. 342 00:18:24,740 --> 00:18:25,740 Absolutely. 343 00:18:25,740 --> 00:18:30,740 And when media work is concerned and as being entertainers, sadly, sadly, stereotype. 344 00:18:30,740 --> 00:18:31,740 Yes, yes. 345 00:18:31,740 --> 00:18:32,740 Stereotype with others. 346 00:18:32,740 --> 00:18:33,740 Hey, you are Eurasian, right? 347 00:18:33,740 --> 00:18:34,740 Yeah. 348 00:18:34,740 --> 00:18:35,740 Eurasian means you're a bad boy. 349 00:18:35,740 --> 00:18:36,740 Yeah, yeah. 350 00:18:36,740 --> 00:18:37,740 Absolutely. 351 00:18:37,740 --> 00:18:38,740 Yeah? 352 00:18:38,740 --> 00:18:39,740 Yeah. 353 00:18:39,740 --> 00:18:44,740 And sometimes it gets a bit grating, you know, like, get the fuck out of here, man. 354 00:18:44,740 --> 00:18:45,740 You know what I mean? 355 00:18:45,740 --> 00:18:46,740 Why? 356 00:18:46,740 --> 00:18:47,740 Why? 357 00:18:47,740 --> 00:18:49,740 Why do you think- And that's exactly what it is. 358 00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:50,740 I can relate completely. 359 00:18:50,740 --> 00:18:52,740 I'm Eurasian, I'll say it. 360 00:18:52,740 --> 00:18:53,740 You know? 361 00:18:53,740 --> 00:18:56,740 Okay, you're Eurasian, you must be bad boy. 362 00:18:56,740 --> 00:18:58,740 Oh, Eurasian cannot do business. 363 00:18:58,740 --> 00:18:59,740 Yes, exactly. 364 00:18:59,740 --> 00:19:00,740 Yeah, yeah. 365 00:19:00,740 --> 00:19:01,740 So, what you say, it's very relatable. 366 00:19:01,740 --> 00:19:02,740 I can completely relate. 367 00:19:02,740 --> 00:19:09,740 So, all these kind of stereotypes, why do they exist? 368 00:19:09,740 --> 00:19:12,740 Because no one stands up to dispute it. 369 00:19:12,740 --> 00:19:13,740 Yeah. 370 00:19:13,740 --> 00:19:17,740 There's enough information out there of people of Eurasian that are doing other things. 371 00:19:17,740 --> 00:19:18,740 Right. 372 00:19:18,740 --> 00:19:20,740 So, when they are in business, I want to promote them. 373 00:19:20,740 --> 00:19:26,740 When they are studying for their masters, I want to promote them and follow their journey. 374 00:19:26,740 --> 00:19:27,740 Okay. 375 00:19:27,740 --> 00:19:28,740 Can I ask you this? 376 00:19:28,740 --> 00:19:33,740 From one Eurasian to another, we just spoke about stereotyping, right? 377 00:19:33,740 --> 00:19:34,740 Right. 378 00:19:34,740 --> 00:19:37,740 You know what is the other thing that bugs me? 379 00:19:37,740 --> 00:19:42,740 There's a real itch in my ass that I just cannot scratch. 380 00:19:42,740 --> 00:19:47,740 That is every time I have to fill up a form and it says race. 381 00:19:47,740 --> 00:19:48,740 You say others. 382 00:19:48,740 --> 00:19:54,740 And it says others and I've got to do the extra work of checking others and writing down my race. 383 00:19:54,740 --> 00:19:57,740 What's your take in that? 384 00:19:57,740 --> 00:20:03,740 Well, as long as we are not united, we'll always be others. 385 00:20:03,740 --> 00:20:05,740 You think? 386 00:20:05,740 --> 00:20:07,740 Is that really the reason? 387 00:20:07,740 --> 00:20:11,740 I mean, that it calls for our ethnic unity for this to happen? 388 00:20:11,740 --> 00:20:12,740 Okay. 389 00:20:12,740 --> 00:20:13,740 Let's put it this way. 390 00:20:13,740 --> 00:20:16,740 There are only 18,000 Eurasians in Singapore. 391 00:20:16,740 --> 00:20:18,740 Wow, I didn't know that. 392 00:20:18,740 --> 00:20:21,740 That's not much of a voice. 393 00:20:21,740 --> 00:20:22,740 Right. 394 00:20:22,740 --> 00:20:23,740 In terms of... 395 00:20:23,740 --> 00:20:27,740 So, okay, if we look at other minorities, then we look at, say, the Sikh community. 396 00:20:27,740 --> 00:20:29,740 Are they larger than us? 397 00:20:29,740 --> 00:20:31,740 I'm not so sure about that. 398 00:20:31,740 --> 00:20:33,740 But Eurasians are mixed. 399 00:20:33,740 --> 00:20:38,740 So, you have Eurasians that are Eurasians, but mixed with Chinese. 400 00:20:38,740 --> 00:20:39,740 Yeah, that's me. 401 00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:45,740 So, Eurasians, all the Rojak, they are Sikh, right? 402 00:20:45,740 --> 00:20:46,740 Yep. 403 00:20:46,740 --> 00:20:54,740 So, I think for the others like the Sikhs, they are mostly, they marry their own within their own community. 404 00:20:54,740 --> 00:20:58,740 So, we are seeing too much as it's too complicated. 405 00:20:58,740 --> 00:20:59,740 Really? 406 00:20:59,740 --> 00:21:00,740 Yeah. 407 00:21:00,740 --> 00:21:01,740 What's so complicated? 408 00:21:01,740 --> 00:21:02,740 To me... 409 00:21:02,740 --> 00:21:03,740 I'm not for it. 410 00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:04,740 I mean, has it evolved? 411 00:21:04,740 --> 00:21:05,740 I'm not for it. 412 00:21:05,740 --> 00:21:06,740 You're not for it? 413 00:21:06,740 --> 00:21:07,740 I'm not for it. 414 00:21:07,740 --> 00:21:08,740 I would. 415 00:21:08,740 --> 00:21:14,740 When I started Eurasians International, one of the first posts I made was about being others. 416 00:21:14,740 --> 00:21:19,740 I said, my great-grandparents, my parents, they did so much. 417 00:21:19,740 --> 00:21:23,740 And how have we grown from Eurasians to others? 418 00:21:23,740 --> 00:21:24,740 Exactly. 419 00:21:24,740 --> 00:21:26,740 That is exactly what I feel. 420 00:21:26,740 --> 00:21:31,740 And that is one of the motivating forces of whatever I do. 421 00:21:31,740 --> 00:21:35,740 You see, I don't think it's a matter of... 422 00:21:35,740 --> 00:21:37,740 Because we're so mixed. 423 00:21:37,740 --> 00:21:41,740 No, it's simple, okay? 424 00:21:41,740 --> 00:21:44,740 You follow the father's surname. 425 00:21:44,740 --> 00:21:45,740 Right. 426 00:21:45,740 --> 00:21:46,740 Right? 427 00:21:46,740 --> 00:21:47,740 Yeah, it's not complicated. 428 00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:48,740 Yeah. 429 00:21:48,740 --> 00:21:51,740 And your father's surname means you follow your father's race. 430 00:21:51,740 --> 00:21:52,740 Simple as that. 431 00:21:52,740 --> 00:21:58,740 And so, therefore, it's not an issue when it comes to the National Registry anyway. 432 00:21:58,740 --> 00:22:03,740 When a kid is born, the race is taken from the father. 433 00:22:03,740 --> 00:22:05,740 You see what I mean? 434 00:22:05,740 --> 00:22:08,740 I think it was during Goh Chok Tong's time that... 435 00:22:08,740 --> 00:22:14,740 No, but even before that, I mean, was it ever a time that there was an option to check off as Eurasian? 436 00:22:14,740 --> 00:22:15,740 I think there was. 437 00:22:15,740 --> 00:22:16,740 There was? 438 00:22:16,740 --> 00:22:17,740 Yes. 439 00:22:17,740 --> 00:22:19,740 Must have been before I was born, man. 440 00:22:19,740 --> 00:22:20,740 Really. 441 00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:22,740 I mean, I've never seen that. 442 00:22:22,740 --> 00:22:24,740 I've never experienced that at all. 443 00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:25,740 I think so. 444 00:22:25,740 --> 00:22:26,740 Yes, there was, I think, Eurasian. 445 00:22:26,740 --> 00:22:27,740 Really? 446 00:22:27,740 --> 00:22:28,740 Oh, wow. 447 00:22:28,740 --> 00:22:29,740 Okay. 448 00:22:29,740 --> 00:22:30,740 I mean, what the hell? 449 00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:32,740 Who the hell changed that, man? 450 00:22:32,740 --> 00:22:35,740 So that's why whatever I do, it's always... 451 00:22:35,740 --> 00:22:39,740 And somebody always told me, somebody told me rather, 452 00:22:39,740 --> 00:22:41,740 why do you say probably Eurasian? 453 00:22:41,740 --> 00:22:43,740 Isn't that so arrogant? 454 00:22:43,740 --> 00:22:46,740 And I was like, I'm actually proud to be a part of the 18... 455 00:22:46,740 --> 00:22:47,740 Wait, wait, wait. 456 00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:48,740 This person will ask you. 457 00:22:48,740 --> 00:22:49,740 It's a Eurasian. 458 00:22:49,740 --> 00:22:50,740 What? 459 00:22:50,740 --> 00:22:51,740 Yeah. 460 00:22:51,740 --> 00:22:53,740 That's weird. 461 00:22:53,740 --> 00:22:54,740 Yeah. 462 00:22:54,740 --> 00:22:55,740 That is really weird. 463 00:22:55,740 --> 00:22:56,740 Yeah. 464 00:22:56,740 --> 00:23:02,740 So it's like you're part of 18,000 rather than it to be a crutch. 465 00:23:02,740 --> 00:23:03,740 Right. 466 00:23:03,740 --> 00:23:06,740 You should use your uniqueness to make a difference. 467 00:23:06,740 --> 00:23:07,740 Yeah. 468 00:23:07,740 --> 00:23:10,740 I mean, look, we have people with nice freaking names, man. 469 00:23:10,740 --> 00:23:11,740 Exactly. 470 00:23:11,740 --> 00:23:13,740 Double eyelids and bone in the nose and all that. 471 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:15,740 You know what I mean? 472 00:23:15,740 --> 00:23:18,740 So use your uniqueness, use your exotic... 473 00:23:18,740 --> 00:23:19,740 Yeah, yeah. 474 00:23:19,740 --> 00:23:20,740 Use it. 475 00:23:20,740 --> 00:23:21,740 Yeah, why not? 476 00:23:21,740 --> 00:23:22,740 Why the hell not? 477 00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:23,740 And then flex it out. 478 00:23:23,740 --> 00:23:24,740 Yeah. 479 00:23:24,740 --> 00:23:31,740 I wonder about how is that arrogant? 480 00:23:31,740 --> 00:23:35,740 You've got to be proud of whoever you are. 481 00:23:35,740 --> 00:23:36,740 Look, listen, man. 482 00:23:36,740 --> 00:23:37,740 Look at me. 483 00:23:37,740 --> 00:23:38,740 I'm a melting pot. 484 00:23:38,740 --> 00:23:39,740 Right? 485 00:23:39,740 --> 00:23:40,740 Absolutely. 486 00:23:40,740 --> 00:23:41,740 Yeah. 487 00:23:41,740 --> 00:23:44,740 I'm a melting pot, man. 488 00:23:44,740 --> 00:23:46,740 My mother is pure Peranakan. 489 00:23:46,740 --> 00:23:48,740 My dad's Eurasian. 490 00:23:48,740 --> 00:23:49,740 Right? 491 00:23:49,740 --> 00:23:52,740 I'm raised more Peranakan than I'm raised Eurasian. 492 00:23:52,740 --> 00:23:54,740 And how fabulous is that? 493 00:23:54,740 --> 00:23:55,740 Yeah. 494 00:23:55,740 --> 00:23:57,740 But to me, you can't escape the fact. 495 00:23:57,740 --> 00:23:59,740 I can't escape the fact. 496 00:23:59,740 --> 00:24:03,740 And I'm not about to escape the fact that I am Eurasian. 497 00:24:03,740 --> 00:24:04,740 Why should I? 498 00:24:04,740 --> 00:24:05,740 Right? 499 00:24:05,740 --> 00:24:10,740 I'm just proud of the fact though that I have heritage that comes two pronged. 500 00:24:10,740 --> 00:24:11,740 Exactly. 501 00:24:11,740 --> 00:24:12,740 You know? 502 00:24:12,740 --> 00:24:16,740 And I'm not the only one in the Eurasian community just like that. 503 00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:18,740 You know, that is like that. 504 00:24:18,740 --> 00:24:19,740 I'm not the only one. 505 00:24:19,740 --> 00:24:20,740 I didn't know that for a fact, right? 506 00:24:20,740 --> 00:24:24,740 We celebrate, I think we're able to celebrate diversity. 507 00:24:24,740 --> 00:24:25,740 That's the word. 508 00:24:25,740 --> 00:24:26,740 Celebrate. 509 00:24:26,740 --> 00:24:27,740 Yeah. 510 00:24:27,740 --> 00:24:31,740 Rather than saying, oh, I have this identity crisis. 511 00:24:31,740 --> 00:24:32,740 Oh, I don't know. 512 00:24:32,740 --> 00:24:34,740 You know, am I this or am I that? 513 00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:35,740 Just celebrate who you are. 514 00:24:35,740 --> 00:24:36,740 Yeah. 515 00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:37,740 Part of you is Chinese. 516 00:24:37,740 --> 00:24:38,740 Part of you is Eurasian. 517 00:24:38,740 --> 00:24:39,740 You can be Armenian. 518 00:24:39,740 --> 00:24:40,740 You can be Portuguese. 519 00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:41,740 Yeah. 520 00:24:41,740 --> 00:24:42,740 Celebrate it. 521 00:24:42,740 --> 00:24:43,740 Yeah. 522 00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:47,740 You know, I mean, the diversity is amazing, right? 523 00:24:47,740 --> 00:24:48,740 Yeah. 524 00:24:48,740 --> 00:24:53,740 It should not be seen as complicated, complication. 525 00:24:53,740 --> 00:24:56,740 It's as complicated as you think it to be. 526 00:24:56,740 --> 00:24:57,740 Yeah. 527 00:24:57,740 --> 00:24:58,740 And I really don't like it. 528 00:24:58,740 --> 00:25:01,740 You know, some people say innocently thinking it's fine. 529 00:25:01,740 --> 00:25:06,740 But I really don't like it when I have people, you know, in Hokkien and they go, oh, you 530 00:25:06,740 --> 00:25:07,740 are talking about. 531 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:08,740 Oh, yeah. 532 00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:09,740 I really hate that, man. 533 00:25:09,740 --> 00:25:10,740 And I hate that. 534 00:25:10,740 --> 00:25:16,740 In the past, you know, people, even now, look at you, oh, what are you? 535 00:25:16,740 --> 00:25:17,740 You're Singaporean. 536 00:25:17,740 --> 00:25:18,740 Figure it out, man. 537 00:25:18,740 --> 00:25:19,740 Figure it out. 538 00:25:19,740 --> 00:25:22,740 I mean, I've had people who thought I was Filipino. 539 00:25:22,740 --> 00:25:27,740 I've had people who thought that I was freaking Maori, man. 540 00:25:27,740 --> 00:25:29,740 I was like, oh, really? 541 00:25:29,740 --> 00:25:31,740 You know, because I got this? 542 00:25:31,740 --> 00:25:32,740 Well, come on. 543 00:25:32,740 --> 00:25:33,740 Come on. 544 00:25:33,740 --> 00:25:34,740 Think. 545 00:25:34,740 --> 00:25:38,740 You know, I've had Kiwi guys in Bali when I was in Bali crossing the street and going, 546 00:25:38,740 --> 00:25:40,740 yeah, mate, how you doing, mate? 547 00:25:40,740 --> 00:25:42,740 And they actually thought that I was Kiwi. 548 00:25:42,740 --> 00:25:43,740 It's so fabulous. 549 00:25:43,740 --> 00:25:44,740 Yeah, it is. 550 00:25:44,740 --> 00:25:45,740 You know? 551 00:25:45,740 --> 00:25:46,740 Yeah, it is. 552 00:25:46,740 --> 00:25:47,740 I think people can't figure you out. 553 00:25:47,740 --> 00:25:48,740 What are you? 554 00:25:48,740 --> 00:25:49,740 What are you? 555 00:25:49,740 --> 00:25:50,740 What are you? 556 00:25:50,740 --> 00:25:57,740 Part of it also is, say, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, I was flying for Esquire. 557 00:25:57,740 --> 00:25:58,740 And as a student. 558 00:25:58,740 --> 00:25:59,740 You were a student? 559 00:25:59,740 --> 00:26:00,740 Yes. 560 00:26:00,740 --> 00:26:01,740 OK. 561 00:26:01,740 --> 00:26:02,740 OK, wow. 562 00:26:02,740 --> 00:26:08,740 And, you know, the Americans used to come on board and they would say, oh, they speak 563 00:26:08,740 --> 00:26:09,740 English. 564 00:26:09,740 --> 00:26:10,740 Like, we speak English. 565 00:26:10,740 --> 00:26:13,740 I was like, you know, Singapore is part of China. 566 00:26:13,740 --> 00:26:14,740 They have no idea. 567 00:26:14,740 --> 00:26:15,740 Oh, gosh. 568 00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:16,740 You know, it's come a long way. 569 00:26:16,740 --> 00:26:20,740 But these are stereotypes that we need to break out of. 570 00:26:20,740 --> 00:26:21,740 Oh, you see, that's the thing. 571 00:26:21,740 --> 00:26:22,740 That's the thing, you see. 572 00:26:22,740 --> 00:26:26,740 You know, Singaporeans, we talk about being a Singaporean, right? 573 00:26:26,740 --> 00:26:27,740 You're probably Singaporean. 574 00:26:27,740 --> 00:26:29,740 I am probably Singaporean. 575 00:26:29,740 --> 00:26:35,740 Though we are Eurasians, it doesn't necessarily mean that we are not proud of nation, of country. 576 00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:36,740 Exactly. 577 00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:37,740 You know? 578 00:26:37,740 --> 00:26:44,740 And rightly said, because as you said earlier, right, how is it that we still come classified 579 00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:54,740 under others and we got to fill it up when our forefathers, I mean, and my dad included. 580 00:26:54,740 --> 00:26:56,740 My dad was quite a figure. 581 00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:57,740 Exactly. 582 00:26:57,740 --> 00:27:02,740 And the amount of sacrifice they've made for this country. 583 00:27:02,740 --> 00:27:03,740 So unfair. 584 00:27:03,740 --> 00:27:07,740 Yeah, regardless of whether it was before independence or after independence. 585 00:27:07,740 --> 00:27:08,740 That's not the point. 586 00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:09,740 That's not the point. 587 00:27:09,740 --> 00:27:10,740 Right. 588 00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:12,740 The point is that it's still on this land. 589 00:27:12,740 --> 00:27:13,740 Yeah. 590 00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:19,740 And yes, we are proudly Singaporean. 591 00:27:19,740 --> 00:27:28,740 The thing is, how can you expect the average Singaporean to know what is Eurasian if we 592 00:27:28,740 --> 00:27:31,740 are always going to be classified under others? 593 00:27:31,740 --> 00:27:32,740 Exactly. 594 00:27:32,740 --> 00:27:34,740 It's still, you know, it's amazing. 595 00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:36,740 I mean, I'm in my 50s now. 596 00:27:36,740 --> 00:27:41,740 And since I was a young kid until today, when people ask me, what race are you? 597 00:27:41,740 --> 00:27:44,740 You can't figure it out and you tell them and I tell them, I tell them Eurasian and 598 00:27:44,740 --> 00:27:46,740 they go, what's that? 599 00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:50,740 And I thought, you know, maybe years later, things will get better. 600 00:27:50,740 --> 00:27:51,740 No, no, it's just get worse. 601 00:27:51,740 --> 00:27:52,740 It's still the same. 602 00:27:52,740 --> 00:27:54,740 I mean, in my opinion, it's still the same. 603 00:27:54,740 --> 00:27:55,740 Like, what's that? 604 00:27:55,740 --> 00:27:56,740 Then you got to go. 605 00:27:56,740 --> 00:27:58,740 Some people will get it. 606 00:27:58,740 --> 00:28:03,740 Some people will, if you say Sarani, some people will get it. 607 00:28:03,740 --> 00:28:04,740 Yes. 608 00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:05,740 Some people still don't. 609 00:28:05,740 --> 00:28:06,740 Yeah. 610 00:28:06,740 --> 00:28:10,740 And they end up using, as I said earlier, this term I hate. 611 00:28:10,740 --> 00:28:11,740 Oh, it's up thing. 612 00:28:11,740 --> 00:28:16,740 You know, I mean, look, dude, if you want to go that far, right? 613 00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:20,740 Imagine if I want to insult some, which I don't want to, you know, and I don't intend 614 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:22,740 to turn this into a racial show. 615 00:28:22,740 --> 00:28:24,740 And it's not a racial show. 616 00:28:24,740 --> 00:28:25,740 Please. 617 00:28:25,740 --> 00:28:28,740 We're two Eurasians having a chat and this is a real intimate chat. 618 00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:31,740 So you either appreciate it, don't like it, get the fuck out. 619 00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:32,740 Okay. 620 00:28:32,740 --> 00:28:41,740 And frankly, if you have a person who's Cantonese and marries a Hokkien, you're Chinese, American 621 00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:45,740 Chinese, you have different dialect groups, I'm not going to call you a Tzap Tzing. 622 00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:47,740 And nobody would actually. 623 00:28:47,740 --> 00:28:50,740 Why do you do it with us? 624 00:28:50,740 --> 00:28:52,740 I think that's not nice. 625 00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:56,740 I think calling someone a Chindian, I mean, nowadays it seems to be quite acceptable. 626 00:28:56,740 --> 00:28:57,740 It's quite acceptable. 627 00:28:57,740 --> 00:28:59,740 It's quite acceptable. 628 00:28:59,740 --> 00:29:04,740 But, you know, I don't know, I don't know whether they get it as, you know, I won't 629 00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:05,740 say as bad. 630 00:29:05,740 --> 00:29:08,740 I don't know whether they have the same kind of experience. 631 00:29:08,740 --> 00:29:10,740 I mean, it's amazing. 632 00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:16,740 I had Divya Nair on my show, the last show I had, and we were talking about this, you 633 00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:21,740 know, and this guy speaks Mandarin like water. 634 00:29:21,740 --> 00:29:28,740 Dude, dude, you're putting it to good use, man. 635 00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:30,740 You know, I mean, it's great, right? 636 00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:33,740 I think we have to learn how to celebrate diversity. 637 00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:34,740 Celebrate it. 638 00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:40,740 Really, you know, I'm going to have a shoot very soon with Dr. Geraldine Tan. 639 00:29:40,740 --> 00:29:42,740 She's going to be on my show too. 640 00:29:42,740 --> 00:29:48,740 And, you know, since we are talking about this, you know, this is where I find sometimes 641 00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:52,740 there's a lot of ignorance when it comes to other races. 642 00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:53,740 Yes. 643 00:29:53,740 --> 00:29:54,740 Right. 644 00:29:54,740 --> 00:29:57,740 And the minority races, that is. 645 00:29:57,740 --> 00:30:01,740 And, you know, for example, and also the understanding of culture. 646 00:30:01,740 --> 00:30:02,740 Yeah. 647 00:30:02,740 --> 00:30:07,740 Much like the Dalai Lama and the Eat My Town thing, right, has got completely misunderstood 648 00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:09,740 and thrown out of whack. 649 00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:10,740 Yeah. 650 00:30:10,740 --> 00:30:14,740 For us, we don't even understand our own sometimes. 651 00:30:14,740 --> 00:30:15,740 Yes. 652 00:30:15,740 --> 00:30:17,740 For example, there was this young lady. 653 00:30:17,740 --> 00:30:22,740 She's Muslim and they're celebrating, well, I would say the right word to say, we'll be 654 00:30:22,740 --> 00:30:25,740 celebrating the holy month of Ramadan, right? 655 00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:27,740 They're fasting. 656 00:30:27,740 --> 00:30:29,740 Iftar is when they break their fast. 657 00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:30,740 It's when they break their fast. 658 00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:33,740 And then she was on an MRT train. 659 00:30:33,740 --> 00:30:34,740 Ah, yes. 660 00:30:34,740 --> 00:30:40,740 And you know it is obligatory for them to break fast, at least if they were to just 661 00:30:40,740 --> 00:30:44,740 drink a glass of water or drink some water or have a bite of something, right? 662 00:30:44,740 --> 00:30:45,740 She had a Snickers bite. 663 00:30:45,740 --> 00:30:46,740 Yes. 664 00:30:46,740 --> 00:30:52,740 And then she was embonished by a commuter on the train. 665 00:30:52,740 --> 00:30:59,740 And no matter what, that commuter was leaning on the law that you cannot eat and drink on 666 00:30:59,740 --> 00:31:00,740 the train. 667 00:31:00,740 --> 00:31:02,740 She went to see the station master. 668 00:31:02,740 --> 00:31:04,740 She asked the station master about it. 669 00:31:04,740 --> 00:31:07,740 I mean, I can't do that. 670 00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:09,740 And he smiled and he was kind. 671 00:31:09,740 --> 00:31:13,740 He says, just as long as you don't litter the wrapper. 672 00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:15,740 Some people understand, thankfully. 673 00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:16,740 Right? 674 00:31:16,740 --> 00:31:18,740 I mean, we can always lean on the law. 675 00:31:18,740 --> 00:31:19,740 Exactly. 676 00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:20,740 We can. 677 00:31:20,740 --> 00:31:23,740 We can, the letter of it, but forget about the spirit. 678 00:31:23,740 --> 00:31:25,740 At the end of the day, yeah. 679 00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:27,740 You have to have the kampung spirit. 680 00:31:27,740 --> 00:31:28,740 Exactly. 681 00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:33,740 And to me, I was honestly, honestly, I had steam coming out of my ears when I read about 682 00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:34,740 that. 683 00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:38,740 I think it's also a cultural thing now, becoming a cultural thing. 684 00:31:38,740 --> 00:31:39,740 Everyone has a phone. 685 00:31:39,740 --> 00:31:42,740 Everyone is like this citizen vigilante. 686 00:31:42,740 --> 00:31:44,740 Oh, you did something wrong. 687 00:31:44,740 --> 00:31:46,740 Take out the phone. 688 00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:47,740 Video you. 689 00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:49,740 And they're calling out. 690 00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:50,740 Yeah, they're calling out. 691 00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:53,740 Sometimes it's just uncaught for. 692 00:31:53,740 --> 00:31:54,740 It is. 693 00:31:54,740 --> 00:31:59,740 I think this poor girl, you know, look, I would say this. 694 00:31:59,740 --> 00:32:01,740 It's intolerance. 695 00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:02,740 Yeah. 696 00:32:02,740 --> 00:32:07,740 Other people who are not Muslims, you try fasting for a month, you know, with no water 697 00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:11,740 and no food for most hours of each day. 698 00:32:11,740 --> 00:32:16,740 And then you know that you want to be fervent in your faith and you have got to observe 699 00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:20,740 certain rules for yourself, for your faith. 700 00:32:20,740 --> 00:32:21,740 Right? 701 00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:29,740 We have to give in, give way, understand, rather than rip people apart. 702 00:32:29,740 --> 00:32:33,740 I think there are too many people just waiting for somebody to do something wrong. 703 00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:34,740 Yeah, I think so. 704 00:32:34,740 --> 00:32:35,740 I think so. 705 00:32:35,740 --> 00:32:38,740 It gets a little much though, you know. 706 00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:43,740 Are there any goals that you have? 707 00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:48,740 I've heard some, but I don't know if there's any other that would be, you definitely wouldn't 708 00:32:48,740 --> 00:32:50,740 want to mention here. 709 00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:54,740 Any goals that you have for the community? 710 00:32:54,740 --> 00:33:04,740 I think the most important thing about any community is to have that soul. 711 00:33:04,740 --> 00:33:05,740 Okay. 712 00:33:05,740 --> 00:33:06,740 To care for each other. 713 00:33:06,740 --> 00:33:07,740 Right. 714 00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:09,740 And not just on the superficial level. 715 00:33:09,740 --> 00:33:15,740 You can come up with a lot of programs, if it doesn't impact on anyone, it doesn't matter. 716 00:33:15,740 --> 00:33:24,740 But to have, to create a platform that actually really benefits individuals. 717 00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:25,740 Right. 718 00:33:25,740 --> 00:33:34,740 A rising star that wants to sing, somebody that's going through a hard time, challenging 719 00:33:34,740 --> 00:33:40,740 times to actually have food on the table, real, something real that happens. 720 00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:45,740 It's not just all written down, oh, sounds very nice, sounds very flowery, but no one 721 00:33:45,740 --> 00:33:46,740 sees it. 722 00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:49,740 I want people to feel it. 723 00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:52,740 To have that, you know, the community is behind you. 724 00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:57,740 So to be automatically motivated to move forward and drive for the community. 725 00:33:57,740 --> 00:34:00,740 Yeah, and everybody can be somebody. 726 00:34:00,740 --> 00:34:03,740 You don't have to be a prominent Eurasian. 727 00:34:03,740 --> 00:34:05,740 Every Eurasian is prominent. 728 00:34:05,740 --> 00:34:08,740 Everybody can help in some way or other. 729 00:34:08,740 --> 00:34:15,740 You don't have to be rich, you don't have to be this, you know, you can have, be a middle 730 00:34:15,740 --> 00:34:21,740 income, no problem, you can donate X amount if you earn more, if you want to give more, 731 00:34:21,740 --> 00:34:22,740 that's fine. 732 00:34:22,740 --> 00:34:24,740 This sounds like what the church is asking for. 733 00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:27,740 We need to make it work. 734 00:34:27,740 --> 00:34:28,740 Right. 735 00:34:28,740 --> 00:34:35,740 We need to have it, everybody from their heart to give, you know, one packet of rice. 736 00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:38,740 Some can afford to give that and that's fine. 737 00:34:38,740 --> 00:34:39,740 Right. 738 00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:42,740 That will help a family through a hard time. 739 00:34:42,740 --> 00:34:46,740 So basically, basically what you're asking for truly, if I may sum this up for you, correct 740 00:34:46,740 --> 00:34:54,740 me if I'm wrong, your goal, big picture, would be just basically what you started the show 741 00:34:54,740 --> 00:34:55,740 with, unity. 742 00:34:55,740 --> 00:34:56,740 Unity, yeah. 743 00:34:56,740 --> 00:34:58,740 Everyone just come together. 744 00:34:58,740 --> 00:35:05,740 And somebody told me just a few weeks ago, oh, you know, you have food from the heart, 745 00:35:05,740 --> 00:35:08,740 you have all these other organizations giving food. 746 00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:15,740 I said, you know, the food that we give is what Eurasians like to eat. 747 00:35:15,740 --> 00:35:17,740 It's not just food. 748 00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:20,740 I can put a kaifan or something like that. 749 00:35:20,740 --> 00:35:23,740 Doesn't mean the Eurasian would like to eat that. 750 00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:33,740 But if it had devil curry, you know, feng, that achar, Eurasian sambal, suji, which they 751 00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:35,740 haven't had forever. 752 00:35:35,740 --> 00:35:39,740 So, what we are giving is not just, just give you some food, packet food. 753 00:35:39,740 --> 00:35:45,740 It's food that they might not have had for 20 to 30 years because of their circumstances. 754 00:35:45,740 --> 00:35:48,740 It's food that not that they can go out and make it themselves. 755 00:35:48,740 --> 00:35:51,740 Cuisine that they used to enjoy before in better times, you mean. 756 00:35:51,740 --> 00:35:52,740 Exactly. 757 00:35:52,740 --> 00:35:54,740 So, we're not just giving food. 758 00:35:54,740 --> 00:36:00,740 Even when we give canned food, we give them what they used to have and maybe they can't 759 00:36:00,740 --> 00:36:01,740 afford it now. 760 00:36:01,740 --> 00:36:07,740 Corned beef, you know, that kind of a luncheon meat, spam. 761 00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:08,740 Yeah, here you go. 762 00:36:08,740 --> 00:36:09,740 I'm celebrating. 763 00:36:09,740 --> 00:36:10,740 Thank you so much. 764 00:36:10,740 --> 00:36:11,740 Yeah. 765 00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:18,740 And even the food in the bentos are all Eurasian classic or Eurasian dishes, heritage food. 766 00:36:18,740 --> 00:36:19,740 Right. 767 00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:20,740 And people actually cook up. 768 00:36:20,740 --> 00:36:22,740 There are Eurasians that are helping out. 769 00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:23,740 I think they're cooking up all these. 770 00:36:23,740 --> 00:36:24,740 Yeah. 771 00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:27,740 And we've had families that, okay, they don't go through a business owner. 772 00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:34,740 The family gets together and cooks corned beef stew, makes corned beef cutlets, cooks 773 00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:37,740 the rice, and comes and redistributes it. 774 00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:44,740 So, the whole family has come up with the money, the funds, and they're also cooking 775 00:36:44,740 --> 00:36:46,740 the food for people that need it. 776 00:36:46,740 --> 00:36:52,740 I want to say, great job, guys, you know, those of you that's been helping out in the 777 00:36:52,740 --> 00:36:53,740 food bank. 778 00:36:53,740 --> 00:36:54,740 I mean, it's great stuff. 779 00:36:54,740 --> 00:36:55,740 Please don't stop. 780 00:36:55,740 --> 00:36:58,740 It'd be great to have more people come in and do that. 781 00:36:58,740 --> 00:36:59,740 Yeah, absolutely. 782 00:36:59,740 --> 00:37:02,740 You know, the way I've been saying things from the get-go from the time we started is 783 00:37:02,740 --> 00:37:04,740 as if, hey, is EI paying me? 784 00:37:04,740 --> 00:37:07,740 No, no, I make it very clear, okay? 785 00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:08,740 Yeah. 786 00:37:08,740 --> 00:37:11,740 And also, one of the goals is that, okay, you're having a hard time. 787 00:37:11,740 --> 00:37:18,740 We've had a guy that he lost his job during COVID, and he was having a very hard time, 788 00:37:18,740 --> 00:37:23,740 and we were there for him in our own small way. 789 00:37:23,740 --> 00:37:28,740 And after COVID, he got a job, and then he's now a sponsor. 790 00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:29,740 Wow. 791 00:37:29,740 --> 00:37:31,740 He was a recipient. 792 00:37:31,740 --> 00:37:32,740 So he's giving back now. 793 00:37:32,740 --> 00:37:33,740 And now he's a sponsor. 794 00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:34,740 Wow. 795 00:37:34,740 --> 00:37:42,740 And now he calls me, he said, do you need someone to drive you to distribute the food? 796 00:37:42,740 --> 00:37:44,740 He's helping me carrying the food. 797 00:37:44,740 --> 00:37:45,740 Wow. 798 00:37:45,740 --> 00:37:47,740 He's the uncles and aunties. 799 00:37:47,740 --> 00:37:48,740 He's putting in the labor. 800 00:37:48,740 --> 00:37:49,740 He's putting in the labor. 801 00:37:49,740 --> 00:37:50,740 He's fixing the houses. 802 00:37:50,740 --> 00:37:51,740 He and his wife. 803 00:37:51,740 --> 00:37:52,740 Wow. 804 00:37:52,740 --> 00:37:55,740 So it's coming full circle. 805 00:37:55,740 --> 00:37:56,740 Wow. 806 00:37:56,740 --> 00:38:01,740 And that's, EI has to be able to operate without me at some stage. 807 00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:02,740 That's really noble. 808 00:38:02,740 --> 00:38:05,740 You know, it's not about what I'm doing. 809 00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:07,740 It's about what can be done. 810 00:38:07,740 --> 00:38:12,740 You know, but I still don't get, I still didn't get the answer from you, you know. 811 00:38:12,740 --> 00:38:17,740 As you just said, again, you know, I mean, EI has got to function without me. 812 00:38:17,740 --> 00:38:18,740 And that is correct. 813 00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:19,740 That's correct. 814 00:38:19,740 --> 00:38:24,740 You know, I mean, legacy has got to go on with or without someone, especially the person 815 00:38:24,740 --> 00:38:26,740 who started it all, right? 816 00:38:26,740 --> 00:38:30,740 But I'm still trying to get it. 817 00:38:30,740 --> 00:38:33,740 The driving force behind Sandra Galison. 818 00:38:33,740 --> 00:38:36,740 The driving force is my mother. 819 00:38:36,740 --> 00:38:38,740 Ah, now we're getting somewhere. 820 00:38:38,740 --> 00:38:39,740 Okay. 821 00:38:39,740 --> 00:38:40,740 Tell me more. 822 00:38:40,740 --> 00:38:41,740 The driving force is my mother. 823 00:38:41,740 --> 00:38:42,740 Tell me more. 824 00:38:42,740 --> 00:38:44,740 I've had a very blessed life. 825 00:38:44,740 --> 00:38:45,740 Okay. 826 00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:46,740 I've done, okay. 827 00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:47,740 Okay. 828 00:38:47,740 --> 00:38:58,740 And all the time, my mom has always told me, go do the work for the Eurasian Association. 829 00:38:58,740 --> 00:39:05,740 And I was like, you know, I was just a little bit too happy enjoying my life to do the things 830 00:39:05,740 --> 00:39:07,740 that I think my mother would have wanted me to do. 831 00:39:07,740 --> 00:39:08,740 Right. 832 00:39:08,740 --> 00:39:12,740 I mean, we helped, but it was only to a certain level. 833 00:39:12,740 --> 00:39:13,740 Right. 834 00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:22,740 And then when my mom passed away in 2011, I was just left with these, all this memory, 835 00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:28,740 all these things that she did for the community quietly. 836 00:39:28,740 --> 00:39:34,740 And I was like, I needed to do something. 837 00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:38,740 You felt that there was a need, there was something was prigging away at you. 838 00:39:38,740 --> 00:39:40,740 I was just eating away at me. 839 00:39:40,740 --> 00:39:41,740 I had to do something. 840 00:39:41,740 --> 00:39:44,740 And that's why I started EI. 841 00:39:44,740 --> 00:39:46,740 And my mother's the co-admin. 842 00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:48,740 Oh, okay. 843 00:39:48,740 --> 00:39:55,740 My heavenly presence, you know, and all the things that she used to do. 844 00:39:55,740 --> 00:39:58,740 I remember following her in the car. 845 00:39:58,740 --> 00:40:02,740 She had this box of food and I was like, and she'll go out and give to this person and 846 00:40:02,740 --> 00:40:06,740 quietly come out, just put it at the door and all those things that she did. 847 00:40:06,740 --> 00:40:11,740 And I started to remember it and told myself, I need to do this. 848 00:40:11,740 --> 00:40:14,740 I need to continue her, part of her legacy. 849 00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:19,740 So basically your mother actually was and still is the driving factor. 850 00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:20,740 Absolutely, 100%. 851 00:40:20,740 --> 00:40:22,740 That was what I wanted to find out. 852 00:40:22,740 --> 00:40:23,740 100%. 853 00:40:23,740 --> 00:40:28,740 Because you know, it takes a lot for someone to commit so deeply to something like this. 854 00:40:28,740 --> 00:40:30,740 It is my mom, absolutely. 855 00:40:30,740 --> 00:40:32,740 Well, God rest her soul. 856 00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:37,740 And every time I am tired, every time I think this is a lot. 857 00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:40,740 I'm not a spring chicken. 858 00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:42,740 And we do get tired. 859 00:40:42,740 --> 00:40:44,740 And I tell myself, no, it's okay. 860 00:40:44,740 --> 00:40:45,740 I can rest. 861 00:40:45,740 --> 00:40:47,740 But tomorrow is another day. 862 00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:53,740 Somebody has passed away and we need to do what we need to do. 863 00:40:53,740 --> 00:40:56,740 And you're doing this alone or other people helping you do this? 864 00:40:56,740 --> 00:40:58,740 I have three main volunteers. 865 00:40:58,740 --> 00:41:06,740 And also we don't have a huge volunteer base for what we do. 866 00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:16,740 Because we are doing something very privately, giving food and respecting the person's dignity. 867 00:41:16,740 --> 00:41:22,740 We don't do photo shoots, me giving a packet of rice, take pictures of the people. 868 00:41:22,740 --> 00:41:23,740 No wayang basically. 869 00:41:23,740 --> 00:41:24,740 No. 870 00:41:24,740 --> 00:41:26,740 We do things very quietly. 871 00:41:26,740 --> 00:41:28,740 We just give the food and we leave. 872 00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:32,740 And there are some recipients that I don't know their names. 873 00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:34,740 Auntie and Uncle. 874 00:41:34,740 --> 00:41:36,740 I don't need to know who they are. 875 00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:42,740 I know they're Eurasian or they're Eurasian, married to Malays, Indians, Chinese. 876 00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:43,740 Doesn't matter. 877 00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:46,740 As long as someone is Eurasian, we will be there. 878 00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:47,740 We will try our best. 879 00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:48,740 You will reach out. 880 00:41:48,740 --> 00:41:49,740 You will reach out. 881 00:41:49,740 --> 00:41:50,740 Yeah. 882 00:41:50,740 --> 00:41:51,740 Okay. 883 00:41:51,740 --> 00:41:56,740 So, and sometimes we have to think of the recipient. 884 00:41:56,740 --> 00:41:57,740 Okay. 885 00:41:57,740 --> 00:42:00,740 That person could be somebody's auntie. 886 00:42:00,740 --> 00:42:01,740 Right. 887 00:42:01,740 --> 00:42:02,740 Uncle. 888 00:42:02,740 --> 00:42:03,740 Right. 889 00:42:03,740 --> 00:42:09,740 And they see that somebody that they know at the door, as in their relative, it might 890 00:42:09,740 --> 00:42:11,740 be a bit embarrassing for them. 891 00:42:11,740 --> 00:42:12,740 Right. 892 00:42:12,740 --> 00:42:14,740 So we always think, we don't want to put them through that. 893 00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:15,740 Don't put them in a spot. 894 00:42:15,740 --> 00:42:16,740 Yeah. 895 00:42:16,740 --> 00:42:17,740 Right. 896 00:42:17,740 --> 00:42:18,740 Everyone's got their dignity. 897 00:42:18,740 --> 00:42:19,740 Yeah. 898 00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:21,740 So we do, sometimes our volunteers are not Eurasians. 899 00:42:21,740 --> 00:42:22,740 Yes. 900 00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:23,740 Wow. 901 00:42:23,740 --> 00:42:25,740 So they know it's from EI. 902 00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:26,740 Yeah. 903 00:42:26,740 --> 00:42:29,740 But it might be a Chinese or at the door. 904 00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:30,740 Yeah. 905 00:42:30,740 --> 00:42:31,740 And they step forward and they help. 906 00:42:31,740 --> 00:42:32,740 Yes. 907 00:42:32,740 --> 00:42:33,740 That's wonderful. 908 00:42:33,740 --> 00:42:34,740 Yeah. 909 00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:35,740 So. 910 00:42:35,740 --> 00:42:36,740 That is diversity for you. 911 00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:37,740 Yes. 912 00:42:37,740 --> 00:42:42,740 You know, so when the recipient opens the door, it might not necessarily be, oh, Eurasian, 913 00:42:42,740 --> 00:42:43,740 give me food. 914 00:42:43,740 --> 00:42:44,740 Right. 915 00:42:44,740 --> 00:42:45,740 Give it to anyone. 916 00:42:45,740 --> 00:42:46,740 Right. 917 00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:47,740 But it's from us. 918 00:42:47,740 --> 00:42:48,740 Right. 919 00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:50,740 If I were to ask you right now, right, and it's strange coming from a fellow Eurasian, 920 00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:51,740 but I'm going to ask you anyway. 921 00:42:51,740 --> 00:42:52,740 Yeah. 922 00:42:52,740 --> 00:42:55,740 Because you're the guest of the show, so I have to ask you this. 923 00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:56,740 Okay. 924 00:42:56,740 --> 00:43:05,500 So how, if I were to ask you to describe the Eurasian general, the Eurasian, how would 925 00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:06,500 you describe it? 926 00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:09,500 The Eurasian psyche. 927 00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:10,500 Hmm. 928 00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:11,500 The Eurasian. 929 00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:13,740 Well, however you might see my question. 930 00:43:13,740 --> 00:43:16,740 Very generous. 931 00:43:16,740 --> 00:43:17,740 Okay. 932 00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:27,740 And I say this because in most Eurasian households you go to, you always want to make you feel 933 00:43:27,740 --> 00:43:34,340 comfortable, always more food, always giving in this way. 934 00:43:34,340 --> 00:43:36,340 Money might not be a priority. 935 00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:37,340 Okay. 936 00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:39,340 You might say earning money? 937 00:43:39,340 --> 00:43:42,340 Earning so much money. 938 00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:43,340 Right. 939 00:43:43,340 --> 00:43:45,500 You know, the chase for that. 940 00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:46,500 The chase for the. 941 00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:47,500 Okay. 942 00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:48,500 The chase for the money. 943 00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:49,500 They have enough, they share. 944 00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:50,500 Religion is important. 945 00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:51,500 The Eurasian. 946 00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:52,500 You don't have. 947 00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:53,500 They like to celebrate. 948 00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:54,500 Ah, okay. 949 00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:55,500 Here we go. 950 00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:56,500 They like to celebrate. 951 00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:57,500 Of course, you know, we have been stereotyped, the good time parties and everything. 952 00:43:57,500 --> 00:43:58,500 But you know what? 953 00:43:58,500 --> 00:43:59,500 But you know, we have fun and we. 954 00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:00,500 We have fun. 955 00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:01,500 We know how to have a good time. 956 00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:02,500 We know how to party. 957 00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:03,500 So sue us. 958 00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:04,500 Right? 959 00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:05,500 We know how to party. 960 00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:06,500 Yeah. 961 00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:07,500 We know how to have fun. 962 00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:08,500 And we don't have to be apologetic for it. 963 00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:09,500 Yep. 964 00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:10,500 We know how to have fun. 965 00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:11,500 And we don't have to be apologetic for it. 966 00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:12,500 Yep. 967 00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:13,500 And we don't have to be apologetic for it. 968 00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:17,500 We know how to party. 969 00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:18,500 Yep. 970 00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:19,500 We should not apologize for it. 971 00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:20,500 We should not apologize. 972 00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:21,500 Yeah. 973 00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:22,500 We shouldn't. 974 00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:30,380 And we don't, in terms of being competitive, we're not overly competitive. 975 00:44:30,380 --> 00:44:33,660 I think we can be a little bit more competitive. 976 00:44:33,660 --> 00:44:34,660 You think so, huh? 977 00:44:34,660 --> 00:44:35,660 I think we can be. 978 00:44:35,660 --> 00:44:36,660 Okay. 979 00:44:36,660 --> 00:44:38,500 So you think perhaps part of it. 980 00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:43,500 That's why sometimes we lag behind because we lag that. 981 00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:44,500 Umph. 982 00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:45,500 The extra umph. 983 00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:46,500 Yeah. 984 00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:47,500 Right. 985 00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:49,580 Because we tend to be a more like. 986 00:44:49,580 --> 00:44:54,500 Do you think just after what you just said, you're probably going to get some stuff hurled 987 00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:56,180 back at you because of what you just said. 988 00:44:56,180 --> 00:44:57,180 Do you think so? 989 00:44:57,180 --> 00:44:58,180 I don't think so. 990 00:44:58,180 --> 00:44:59,180 From some quarters of the community? 991 00:44:59,180 --> 00:45:00,180 No. 992 00:45:00,180 --> 00:45:01,180 No? 993 00:45:01,180 --> 00:45:06,180 I think as every community can strive to be better. 994 00:45:06,180 --> 00:45:08,300 It's not generally only Eurasians. 995 00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:09,300 Well said. 996 00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:12,300 Every one of us can be better. 997 00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:13,300 Everyone. 998 00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:14,300 Every community regardless. 999 00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:15,300 Every community. 1000 00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:16,300 Regardless. 1001 00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:17,300 You know. 1002 00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:18,300 It's how much we want it. 1003 00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:22,220 In the past, you see, we used to emphasize on certain communities that all need help. 1004 00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:23,820 Every community needs help. 1005 00:45:23,820 --> 00:45:26,820 In different ways. 1006 00:45:26,820 --> 00:45:27,820 Right. 1007 00:45:27,820 --> 00:45:28,820 Right. 1008 00:45:28,820 --> 00:45:29,820 Um. 1009 00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:30,820 This is going to be one last question. 1010 00:45:30,820 --> 00:45:33,700 I think we've been talking for about, let's see now. 1011 00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:37,300 We've been talking for about an hour. 1012 00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:38,300 Oh. 1013 00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:39,300 Time flies. 1014 00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:40,300 Um. 1015 00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:41,300 Which one? 1016 00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:42,300 Pick one. 1017 00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:43,300 One. 1018 00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:44,300 Okay. 1019 00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:45,300 Okay. 1020 00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:46,300 It can be none. 1021 00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:48,300 That's the other option. 1022 00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:49,300 Okay. 1023 00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:50,300 Feng. 1024 00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:51,300 Sushi cake. 1025 00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:52,300 Curry devil. 1026 00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:56,300 I would have to say sushi cake. 1027 00:45:56,300 --> 00:45:57,300 Okay. 1028 00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:58,300 Why? 1029 00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:04,300 Because my brother made a business out of it. 1030 00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:06,300 Temptations pastry shop. 1031 00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:07,300 Oh. 1032 00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:08,300 Jeffrey. 1033 00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:09,300 Okay. 1034 00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:10,300 Okay. 1035 00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:11,300 Okay. 1036 00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:14,300 His sushi cake was from, it's my grandmother's recipe. 1037 00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:15,300 Right. 1038 00:46:15,300 --> 00:46:16,300 It was my grandmother's recipe. 1039 00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:17,300 Right. 1040 00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:19,300 And so that was something very special. 1041 00:46:19,300 --> 00:46:22,300 To be very honest, um. 1042 00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:25,300 We didn't, when growing up, I didn't know what's inside Feng. 1043 00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:28,300 You know, we just ate it. 1044 00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:30,300 It was like, okay. 1045 00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:31,300 Uh. 1046 00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:32,300 But sushi cake has to be. 1047 00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:35,300 Because it's very much part of all our celebrations. 1048 00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:36,300 Yes. 1049 00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:37,300 Jeffrey was a chef. 1050 00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:38,300 He passed away. 1051 00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:39,300 Mm-hmm. 1052 00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:43,300 But every birthday, he would, you know, make sushi cake. 1053 00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:44,300 Mm. 1054 00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:45,300 Yeah. 1055 00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:47,300 You know, I get my fix every Christmas, man. 1056 00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:49,300 I like to thank Prisla. 1057 00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:52,300 Every year I get your sushi cake. 1058 00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:54,300 I also have my Feng fix. 1059 00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:55,300 Every Christmas. 1060 00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:56,300 Right. 1061 00:46:56,300 --> 00:46:57,300 From Chris Pereira. 1062 00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:00,300 Thank you very much for always feeding me Feng every year. 1063 00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:03,300 You know, and because you know, as I said, I'm raised Peranakan. 1064 00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:05,300 I have a lot of that. 1065 00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:06,300 Loads of those. 1066 00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:07,300 Right. 1067 00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:13,300 But I know for a fact, you know, the Eurasian side, you know, will, will, will, well, friends 1068 00:47:13,300 --> 00:47:16,300 of mine, you know, and family, you know, they will also contribute. 1069 00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:17,300 Right. 1070 00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:18,300 At least during Christmas time. 1071 00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:19,300 I get my fix. 1072 00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:24,300 But now we are trying to say, you don't only have to wait for Christmas to have. 1073 00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:25,300 Here we go, here we go. 1074 00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:26,300 She's going to slide that one in. 1075 00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:27,300 All Christmas. 1076 00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:29,300 Uh, or Curry Devil. 1077 00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:30,300 Yeah. 1078 00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:33,300 Because there are all these businesses that actually have it, it's available. 1079 00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:34,300 All the time. 1080 00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:35,300 And you know what? 1081 00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:37,300 I have actually ordered some stuff. 1082 00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:38,300 Right. 1083 00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:40,300 Yeah, I have, you know, and yes, I am aware. 1084 00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:41,300 Yeah. 1085 00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:45,300 And trust you me, I do, I do go and I do check them out whenever you post it. 1086 00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:46,300 I do. 1087 00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:52,300 It's quite hard for, at first, for the Eurasian to try other people's Curry Devil or Feng 1088 00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:53,300 or sushi cake. 1089 00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:54,300 Right. 1090 00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:55,300 Because if their parents made it, they will be like. 1091 00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:57,300 Oh, I prefer my mother's one. 1092 00:47:57,300 --> 00:47:59,300 I prefer my grandfather's mother's one. 1093 00:47:59,300 --> 00:48:00,300 Yeah. 1094 00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:01,300 So there's that barrier. 1095 00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:02,300 Yes, yes. 1096 00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:06,300 Which we've taken two years to try to break it down. 1097 00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:07,300 Yeah. 1098 00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:08,300 Well, well, it's great, man. 1099 00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:10,300 I mean, I mean, that's so difficult to do, but you're doing that. 1100 00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:12,300 I mean, it's amazing, frankly. 1101 00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:18,300 For those of you, for, if any Eurasians are watching this, outside of those who are already 1102 00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:25,300 aware of Eurasian International, if you haven't been to the 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