You are such a prim, proper, one of the nicest people.
And you know what, I tell you what's in the back of my head.
I was asking myself this a couple of days ago, all the way to today, to tonight,
before we start shooting, right? Then look, Chris, are you going to be potty-mouthed?
You know it's going to be quite hard because for a fact, if people like Glenn and FD
watch this show, which I don't think they will, but anyway, watch this show and see me
having a chat with you and my mouth's all potty, they're going to go, Chris, why have you
disrespected Dr. Geraldine? That's how I think, I can just hear it happening.
Really? Yeah.
But it's your personality and it's no disrespect to anyone, right? So how is that disrespecting
if you're being... Well, see, that's you saying it, but for us, we feel like she doesn't deserve
to be given the potty-mouth treatment. But you know, but when I do that with any guests,
when I do that with any guests, I don't do it on a whim. I don't do it directed at the person.
It's always in passing or it's just really expressive, you know, but it's just like,
I've got my school teacher seated with me and I cannot be potty.
Unless you give me permission.
That's the strangest thing you see. Yeah, because I don't think I've ever asked
whether you would be offended, whether you think you're being disrespected if
I were to be potty-mouthed. I think the last time we did and you were like,
hey, don't mind. I was like, yeah, then be whatever, right? So it's very strange.
So yes, I did notice this pattern. I'm not sure why. So if you can figure out why,
so that's something I'm trying to figure out. I think I've explained it.
It's sometimes when you have people that you know are genuine and sincere and nice,
and you are all that really. And certainly it's written all over you.
It's written all over you. You're a kind person. People can open up to you.
And that's the reason why you do what you do too. And that's absolutely,
it's a match made in heaven, frankly speaking. What you do and the person that you are.
And people know that, you know, and when you have a Rep Scalin like myself, you know,
and we feel that, okay, you know what, I think we should tap on the brakes and then take a step back,
you know, and there's this hold for a bit and just, Chris, just suck it up and don't be potty.
So maybe this is another side of you that, you know, we don't see often enough.
Not true. Not true. I mean, I've done shows on stage and believe you me,
on stage we have, we cannot be potty mouth at all. So there is a certain, there is some,
definitely a certain part where discipline plays quite a large role, isn't it? Yeah.
I can be just that, the flavor of the Chris Hansen conversation. Welcome everybody.
We've been rolling, I know.
And you've been hearing us just go on and on and on. And I'm not being rude because you know why
tonight I have with me, did I say tonight? I always say that, right? Now everyone knows I'm
shooting at night. Not true. Sometimes I shoot in the day. Don't let me fool you.
I have with me from the therapy room, you hear her or sometimes to those of you who
got, you probably retirees, you got nothing better to do but to go on live Facebook and watch,
you know, you know, and all your illegally watching something, watching live Facebook while you're
driving. You catch her all the time on Tuesday mornings on, I shall not say which station,
because you're not paying me. Well, why should I say the station right now? Okay. She's on radio
and I will go as far as saying a station on SPH radio. And she gives great advice and she's such
a lovely person. You've been hearing us ramble on and on about how wonderful she is and that is a
fact. She's an absolutely lovely person. She is none other than Dr. Geraldine Tan. And you are
amazing yourself. Wow. You see what I mean? How can I be potty mouth with you?
This is not very encouraging. If you say I'm authentic or I'm, you know, genuine,
then you cannot be genuine with me. No, no, it's not that. I'm being respectful.
I'm being respectful. I just think that you're really so nice and sometimes, you know,
I mean, maybe I'm old fashioned in a sense. Can you believe it? I'm freaking old fashioned.
That's not a bad word. I am freaking old fashioned. You know what I feel like now? I feel like a princess now.
I'm glad I made you happy though. And on that note, on that note, you know, you know,
good friends of mine nowadays, they don't just have a radio show. They have podcasts too.
Like they don't want to miss out on the action. You know, they're foremost fear of missing out.
You know who you are. And then they had this thing, this thing that this show of theirs,
then and now they put that other name next to it and it's called Uncensored. Okay. I'm wondering
about that because my show, my show, which I have yet to release, already planned months ago
with all the sleeves all done, designs all good, all done. And it says,
bra, no, totally is, it's in Taiwan.
For certain, I don't censor things. Okay. Bra, unadulterated, uncensored.
Ah, yeah. And then they were talking about this. They were talking about the fact that Singapore
was rated as correct me if I'm wrong. I hope I'm not wrong. I think I'm right. 25th happiest nation
in the world in Asia with the happiest. Okay. Right. I think, yeah, yeah, with the happiest.
So they were talking about that and it piqued my interest. And I don't want to do a copycat thing,
but I want to ask you, you're Singaporean. Yeah. Are you happy?
I am contented. I've thrown the word happy away a long, long time ago. Okay. So in the practice
where a lot of people come and say, I'm not happy. I want to be happy. So what is happiness? For
centuries, right? The philosophers, the scientists cannot figure out what happiness is. I'm just
little end. I cannot figure out their happiness for anyone. So I don't look for happiness, but I
look for contentment, fulfillment, purpose. So if you ask me if I am contented, so I don't know what
happy is, I'm going to throw that out. Contented. I am very contented. Do I have a purpose? I have
a purpose. Am I fulfilled? I think there's more to do. So, you know, I'm still going to strive for more.
This is what happens when you talk to a head doctor, you know, because right now my mind's
spinning. Okay. Okay. Let me just get this right. Interesting in the things you said,
that definition of happiness, correct me if I'm wrong, if I'm reading all this wrong,
the definition of happiness is not clearly defined. No. Do you know what happy is? If you know,
let me know. Because I'm happy. I mean, look, when you say contentment, I am contented. I feel
fulfilled. My cup is full. And when you think about all these, right, adjectives, descriptions,
it all boils down to one word, happy. No. It's our definition is how, so happiness is a concept.
It's not quantifiable for the person. Okay. So contentment is quantifiable. Contentment,
so it depends on what you define it as, right? So I'm contented with the work that I do.
I'm contented with the amount of work that I do. I'm contented with the team that I'm working with,
you know, so there are things that I can specifically pull out and it's not so very,
very, it's not so like out there. Right. So, okay. So this happened to survey, they did.
Should be thrown out the window. I mean, we can, thanks very much for watching. This is the end
of the show. What else is there to talk about? The survey was, hey, open the damn window, throw the
damn thing out, man, because it doesn't make any damn sense. Well, everybody is in the pursuit of
happiness. Let's put it this way. So it's just a Jerry's perspective, Jerry's, you know, thought
about what happiness is. It's not a one size fits all, right? It's a personal understanding.
But yes, everybody is in this pursuit of this happiness, you know, gross national happiness
and everybody. Gross national happiness? DNH. Okay. Gross domestic happiness? GDH. Maybe. Okay. So,
so happiness in your mind could be anything that you can quantify that is positive. That is, yeah.
So this way is difficult, you know, it's like, so, so how do you define happiness? So on what,
how do they do the survey? How do they even draw the parameters? What's the matrix? Okay. Let's say
we, let's say, I like what you said about contentment though. Let's say we use that word.
Now let's take a look at the Danes. People from Denmark. Yep. Happiest people in the world.
We can throw that one out the window too. But, but Jerry, they are very content. Yes, they are.
Are very content. Yes, they are. So is that survey, is that survey proper? So is happiness, you know,
is it equated to contentment? Are we actually measuring the level of contentment in our lives?
Okay. Now you see, you see people, people come to you to see, to seek, to seek help. Is that the
right word for me to say seek help? Yes. Okay. They do. Yeah. Okay. Primarily Singaporeans. So I have
a portfolio that is rather divided. So I have half Singaporeans and half foreigners. Okay. Let's talk
about the Singaporeans. Would you define that these people are, see lah, now I cannot use that word
anymore. Are they happy? Yes. If they are happy, most of them come to me because they're not happy.
Let's put it right out there. You know, it's still seeking for answers, seeking for something to,
that they need something to be fixed. And that's why they come for work. Do you see a pattern? Do
you see a pattern? I mean, if you look across all of your local clients, they're unhappy.
Generally they come to you because they're unhappy. Is there a pattern that is most,
that you can see that is, that is perhaps endemic to being Singaporean in Singapore?
Perhaps what we can look at is the current trend now. So the current trend now would be that many
of them don't know the direction. So another word that I had used was purpose, right? They don't
know the direction that they are going forward. You know, they, they know they have to work. They
want a lot of money. Okay. So, so, so then we're getting somewhere. Okay. So basically they're
unhappy because they want direction, because there is a specific goal in mind. Yes. And the goal in
mind is- No, no, no. No goal. Yeah. Okay. They have a goal. They have a goal. They know what they want,
but they don't know which direction to take. And that frustrates the heck out of them.
They only know that they want a lot of money. They want like work-life balance. They're frustrated
because they're not getting any of it or they're not getting their, whatever that they expect.
And then you ask them, what do you really want to achieve in life? You know, what is that end goal
that you, you have visualized for yourself? Right. And most of them say money. Most of them say,
I don't know. Okay. So they don't know. They really don't know. Now there you go. So they do
know what they want. But they are not happy with whatever that they're doing. So does it mean that
you can, is it safe to say that one of the preoccupations of in general, speaking in general,
of people living and working here, it's about the pursuit of money and having loads of it?
Not really, because ultimately they say, actually I want a simple life. And you go like, huh?
I want a lot of money, but I want a simple life. I just need to ensure stability. So they say in
different ways, different forms in, you know, that they just want something comfortable.
That's why I come back to this word, something comfortable. I say, yeah, I want a lot of money.
I say, you want a lot of money for what? You want a lot of money. Oh, I want a lot of money
so that my life is stable. I said, are you living very badly now? No. Are you, you know, not able
to afford whatever that you want? No. And I can afford more. I don't need to worry about luxury
because the clientele that comes to me in private centers, right? And then I go like, oh, okay. Then
you, so what is the more that you're looking at? Then suddenly they get thrown off balance and say,
I don't know. I said, what, but what actually do you have in mind? Like, you know, for your future?
I don't know. Okay. Could we boil this down to also perhaps a contributing factor?
Could be that we are all products of a system where, well, at least people like me, maybe you,
the older lot, not so much the real young ones today, like our kids in school, you know,
because things are changing in the education system. But we've always been products of,
you know, you've got to go out there, it's all about the academics, it's all about getting the
grades. And if you don't get the grades, you're not going to end up having a good job and you
will not be able to have the five C's in life, you know. And then, you know, I think that's
as the generations progressed, you've got another set of people who hear the same thing, know that,
oh, you know, academics are important. I got to study real hard, get my degree. Otherwise,
I would not be able to get my five C's. But then again, I don't really care about the five C's,
but I know I have to get those five C's because that's what has been drummed into me. But deep
down inside, that's not so important, but I know I have to get it. And then they get muddled.
True. So there is that group that, you know, have lost their way.
Would it be, am I right to say, or could it be, could it be that it's a generational thing?
Because you have people like, for my generation, are you an X-Gener? I'm an X-Gener.
I don't know what X, why exactly it is.
I don't believe this. Oh boy. The X-Gener's are the coolest generation ever. Okay, no.
The X-Gener's are the guys that wear t-shirts like this, man. Okay.
And we're the ones, we're the ones with the 80s children, born in the 70s, rocked the 80s,
and partied the 90s. But all while we're doing all that, working our butts off, you know,
towards, I know what you're going to say, I know what you're going to say, towards success.
Then again, Chris, what is the definition of success? Yeah, so this is going to be driving
me up the wall now. Success as in, generally accepted, credit card, car, condo, cash, and
go over to the other one. Yeah. Basically, reaching a certain level in life where you're
considered financially successful, where you have arrived in life, where you are known someone,
you've become part of the elite, you know. So the X-Generations, in my mind, are made up of people
like that, you know. But one thing about that generation, besides being good looking and
talented, we were done hard working. We had ambition. We were resilient. And we were in the
fatigable lot, in the fatigable, determined, don't die one, in case you're blue, okay. So a whole,
determined lot of people. Then after that, you've got the strawberries.
I don't know why you're sounding laugh like that.
Because a lot of people are going to throw eggs at me. Strawberries. The strawberry generation,
the snowflakes, the millennials. Okay. And then I realized this. Why? Because
I've had, of course, I had people who had to work with me, right? And they get younger and younger
and younger and younger. And then you have this, I had this period in life where there are a bunch
of people, these people, the younger ones, they came up to me. And so many of them said,
like, Chris, you know, I'd rather work for an NGO. Okay. You tree hugger? Are you a tree hugger?
You know? And they want to do, I want to do good. I want to do things for the community.
And I said, you're admirable, then go ahead and do it. But then again, I want to make money.
I mean, it's like, you know, opportunity costs. You can't have your cake and eat it all, you know.
But they insistent about that. Right? And then you're right. I mean, I don't know whether you're
right, but I can kind of relate to what you just said, because to me, there is a whole bunch of
people who've been confused. Yeah. And in my mind, it is that generation of people. You know? Then
you've got the current bunch of guys. I must say the Gen Zs are pretty impressive. You got them
saying that they know what they want, but they're not as hot. That's not a bad thing. Not as hot as,
say, their folks, who are people like me, my generation. Okay. Okay. Right? And they will say
that I want something future-proof. I'm not going to go into something that's not future-proof. I
mean, my boy is turning 14. Yeah. And of course I ask him, you know, I mean, have you toyed around
with what you want to do when you grow up? Not really, but I do know what I shouldn't be doing.
I would not mention anything. I'm not going to slide in these industries or anything like that.
And I asked him, I'm kind of surprised. Some of the industries he mentioned,
it's kind of, really? Why not? They're not future-proof, daddy. I said, why not? AI.
Really? Yeah. And you guys actually discuss this amongst yourselves? Yes. And yeah, it's pretty
amazing. I mean, it's kind of astute, you know? So there's something about these guys. So you know
what I call that? The seed of the X generation. Okay. We may have taught them well. I think it's
also because we work very hard and they have the ability to now look for or seek for what
fulfills them. So that's the other thing, you know, self-fulfillment, right? A Manslow
hierarchy of needs. And to chase that, we need to have a stable foundation. When you say stable
foundation, what do you mean definition of foundation? So the foundation of all the basic needs.
So we've given them all the basic needs. We've not only given them the basic needs,
but we've also now focused on emotional needs, social needs. And they've got, you know, if we
taught them already, you know, that these are important. So their foundation is quite solid.
Most of us who push ourselves, you've described it beautifully. And so now they have attained all
these. They're now right at the top. So they can see, oh, mommy, daddy, what do I really want? I'm
thinking about it. And because we're not fighting for survival anymore, we as parents are able to
say, okay, what would you like to do? Go do it. You know, mom and dad will support you, you know,
and how you've spoken to your son. I resonate with that because this is what I've got two teens,
and both of them are also thinking and contemplating, you know, what they want to do.
And they're comfortable enough to say, mom and dad will support anything. And I don't need to worry
about this foundation is, I've got it. Now I will go and do what makes me feel most comfortable.
Not having to chase after, you know, all the little things.
Right. Okay. I mean, I can't agree with you there, but-
Did I throw you off balance again?
A little bit. I mean, well, basically, whatever you said, I do agree simply because, you know,
the Gen Z is they're pretty awesome. And I think they really know what's needed to get by and get on.
But I guess that the strawberry generation that you were talking about, the confused bunch,
is the bunch that I do see that lack that purpose, that lack. So they are very confused because
I need to seem to find that foundation. I'm not sure. I need to build up that nest,
that financial nest. And then they go. So when we ask them, do you have that actually quite okay?
So why are you chasing don't know? So that's why the don't know comes in, you see.
But you see, there's also the other side of the coin. These people are now in their thirties.
I think some of them, I mean, it's fair to say also in early forties. Those are the people that's
the tail end of the X generation. Yeah. And these lots are in higher executive positions.
They're in the positions of leadership. And that leadership has taken a sort of a different turn
from what I've heard from quite a number of people, people who are about my generation of people,
that is, and answering to those younger than them. Okay. Okay. It's reached a stage where it doesn't
matter, you know, in, well, I'm not, I'm generalizing this, but I shouldn't. But I think
that there is some amount of truth that the cohesiveness in an organization
that's been in the field seem to be more important than revenue generation.
Then someone who can't play with others well, not because he is nasty, but because he is more
dynamic. Let's take that as an example. Okay. Okay. Older, more dynamic, more experienced,
probably left the workforce for a bit, came back. Let's take that as a scenario.
And then the rest of the people there have known each other for, since they can't gone on board,
they're all the same generation, including their leader in management. Okay. This guy comes in and
then, or this person comes in, but it's productive. Yeah. Brings in the moolah for the business. Yeah.
And then the rest aren't happy about it. And then of course, usual interrelational politics come to
play. Then after which they start to whinge in wine and start to stir the pot a little bit with the
boss, to the boss. And then this person gets into a little bit of trouble. So it just seemed that
sometimes, and this is not the first I've heard, this cohesion, this need for cohesiveness,
clicky. Okay. Yeah. It seems to be more of a priority than revenue generating, revenue generation,
or someone who's capable of really bringing home what's more important in a business.
So, you know, that's just an example. What I'm saying here is that everyone's now got to tow
their line. Okay. You know what I mean? Okay. In terms of, okay, I think you touched on something
very different. I think you touched on, you know, this, when we are in that community,
how we operate as a community. Right. And when something comes in, in that we think is a little
bit alien, right? Then our behavior is, the first behavior is reject. Okay. So the person that is
being rejected, so this community, I don't like you, already, you know, not feeling very happy.
The other person wants to assimilate, cannot assimilate, and then they are also unhappy.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This person can't assimilate. This person is very,
very pliable. Okay. EQ wise. But they don't want to accept you, see? They don't want to accept,
but he is, this person maybe has done nothing wrong. Understand. Yeah. Understand. Just that
he's different. Most of the time it's like this. And this person puts in more effort, for example.
You know, puts in more effort, is more experienced, has got the ability to get things really done
better than most. Yeah. Yeah. But because of this group, they do not want to accept, right? So they
reject. Okay. So you're saying to me that this cannot be a generational thing. It's not. It's just
a, okay, but, but what, but more often than not today, that group of people, which you're now
boiling it down to a, to group psychology, right? Yeah. Okay. Group dynamics. Group dynamics. The
psychology behind that. Yeah. However, if you, if you're boiling it down to that, it just so happens
then that all of them are from the same generation and therefore it may seem that these guys,
it may seem that it's a generational issue or difference. It can be. So it can be that they
are the same generation. So how you described it is same generation. So what happens in a group is
we look for similarity. We look for things that can help us to gel together. Yeah. So, so that when
we stay together, we've got a lot of things that we can share and we can support each other. So
we don't want the, any other aliens to invade. But Jerry, but that's an ideal world, you know?
Yeah. If you all see how that we can come, come together and come, you know, meet halfway.
Let's find out whether there's any similarities, you know, so that we can find some relatability,
some spread of relatability. That's an ideal world. It's group dynamics. So when the other
person comes in, unless we put in, the group puts in effort to try and find a similarity with the
other person. This person will always stay on the peripheral. So we see that in the, the, the, the
self-initiated expatriates also, where they come and then they come into an office and you have
mostly, you know, maybe Singaporeans, mostly Asians, and then you have somebody else coming in.
It's like, oh, invasion. So until this group makes the effort to find some similarities,
to be curious, to, to learn about that person, this person will not, no matter how nice the person
is, will still be an outsider and will feel like an outsider. They can be very cordial to each
other, but you still can see that there is some difference there.
Okay. Okay. Now that we're on that topic, now that we're on that topic, you're basically saying
that, okay, in this example you gave, so this is how xenophobia comes about.
In a way, and that suddenly just pops into mind. I think I was reading one of your posts and one of
your posts was about, you know, people trying to erase your technical, right? And still having that,
that mindset that, you know, why I usually wear long sleeves, but for you today, I didn't wear
long sleeves, you know. I was like, okay, I'll match you.
All right. Thank you for that.
Yeah. I don't have tattoos, but...
You should man, come on, let's go get one.
No, well, I'll explain a little bit more, but you know that, that whole fear, so sometimes people
fear different, you know, and, and your tattoos are like, oh my God, it's different. And therefore,
you know, they, they, they start to like put you on a sideline, like, okay, you're different,
you're, you're, you know, we cannot come too close to you. I can talk to you cordially, but you're not
coming into my space. Thank you very much. So, yeah. So, so fear, right? And fear breeds distrust.
So in a relationship, you need trust, but if you are fearful of the person, how can you trust
the person? Right? It doesn't matter what you say, Jerry, at the end of the day, they're still
stereotyping. Come on, come on. I mean, look, they don't have, the point is don't judge. You're so
too easily, right? It just can't be about, oh, you know, so that's the case, Chris. Don't let people
fear you. Let me tell you why I'm so fed up. Okay. Go for it. Yeah. I'm going to go for it. I think,
I think this is free therapy. Not bad. Um, um, let me tell you why I'm so, so I'm going to say,
I'm pissed about all this. Um, everything that I am is stereotyped. Everything. Everything. Okay.
I'm telling you. Okay. Go for it. I'm 53 years old. Nothing to hide. It's not, I'm not a spring
chicken. Yeah. So it's not as if, but Chris, you've only lived like 20 plus years. If you like,
we can't really come to judgements like that. You know, I can, because I'm not a spring chicken.
Yeah. Uh, so it's safe for me to say this on, on a few counts, one, I'm Eurasian. Okay. And,
and I'm proud to be one. You all don't judge me now. Okay. I'm proud to be one. And I still am.
Yeah. And, and as I mentioned earlier, right, remember before we, I don't know whether we were
rolling there or not, but, um, I mentioned to you about, um, about my other guests I had,
Yes. And, uh, we were talking about, about, uh, our, our shared ethnicity. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh,
the stereotypes from there alone is pretty remarkable. You can work your ass off,
but people could still think that you are, ah, yeah, you know, you're Asians, you know,
they really can't amount to much when they do business and stuff. Or, or, or, or, these guys
are better at what? No, Ben Boy, I can sing, I can, you know, they are good for these kind of
things. They know the party, like, yeah, he's not a party. That's one stereotype. The other one is
look at my size. I tell you a joke. Yeah. A couple of years ago, I was, I was done a gym and I came
down and I was in downstairs to where the ATM was located and I was in a queue. Okay. And there was
this poor lady, I tell you, but I was an angry, don't get me wrong. I was not upset. I was laughing
my head off. I was standing behind her in the queue and this little old lady was in front and
she was using the machine. So I was just standing in lines, waiting for it to be done. There's no
one else besides, besides me. Yep. And when she got the money out, she turned around,
she was putting her money back into her purse and she looked up, she saw me, she went, ah,
and I went, ah, what did I do? What did I do? What did I do? And I went, Auntie, what, Auntie, why?
What did I do? I really thought, what did I do? No la, you very big ah. I said, I'm not going to
rob you. Don't worry. You very big ah. You very big. Oh my goodness. Oh dear. I said, I'm so sorry,
I didn't mean to scare you. I told you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm
so sorry. I didn't mean to scare you. I told her, I'm so sorry about laughing. She was laughing too
after that. But that was a nice thing actually. It wasn't so bad, you know, but people always have
this thing when they see a big guy. It's either you're fat and stupid or, fair stupid lazy, or
you are, you are bully. And, and when the little pipsqueaks, you know, always annoy you, right,
that's bullying as far as I'm concerned. And they continually egg you on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then
you retaliate, you're the one in trouble. Because you're, you know why? Because you're the bigger
one. Oh. Okay. And then, and then, and then, oh, let's go there. Smoking. I'm a smoker. Okay. I'm not
encouraging it. Don't get me in trouble. I'm just saying this who I am. I'm a smoker. Okay. And my
goodness, I know lah, yellow box lah, this that lah. But you know, I can't stand, people seem to think
it is within their values to walk in front of you, stop glare. Even when they have the mask on, they
say, my God, you really don't want to breathe lah. You know, and, and, and they do that in full view
you. Or the glare they give you, I mean, looks could kill, you know. I mean, dude, I'm not doing
it illegally. Yeah. I'm way far, I'm far from you. Yeah. And you go and you walk past and you do this
and I said, do you have leprosy? Is your nose going to drop off? You know, I mean, I mean,
it makes people entitled to insult you, disrespect you, you know, and that's the third stereotype.
The next stereotype. Oh, there's quite a lot. Yeah. To be fair, there'll be those who admire me,
people like me, I sing and I must say I sing pretty well. And, and put that again, I get this,
yeah, these people sing only one. Oh wow. And then when you, when you go out there, you're actually
doing shows on stage or you're hosting or answering and, and I tell you this happens, it's prevalent,
yeah, in the entertainment world. Pay you peanuts because that's all you do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
of course I don't stand for that. And I think you can't pay me, you can't afford me, I won't do it.
Because I know I'm good at what I do. That's all. Then you, and then you hear entertainers
getting stereotypes, saying this back to you, we'll talk, if I don't take it, Chris, they will never
call me back. And then I get no jobs at all. I'm feeling really sad. Oh my gosh. Yeah. And then
and then after that, oh, worse, it gets worse. We need Pan-Asians. Okay. You got talent, but you're not Pan-Asian.
Hang on, got some more. Ink.
Ink. It is disgusting for anyone to do this to anyone without your permission to take your picture
and erase off the ink of your picture. It is disgusting to take someone's picture and blow
up my face to kingdom come so that my arm cannot be seen in a periodical article.
But these people came to me to ask me to platform speak, to feature me because I've got value.
Because there are things that I can give value to people and to their respective audiences.
But you do this to me. So, and this is not just about me. People with ink get ostracized ever so often.
I'm going to say this. I love these guys. Warpix, the Harley boys, I tell you they're brilliant people.
They do charity work. Most of them are ink and they're on big Harley's, but they are some of the
kindest people on the planet. Yeah. There are many of them. Yeah. So that's why you see, I have to stop you there, Jerry.
Just now because no matter what you tell me, man, people can be intimidated and all that.
You know what? Very simple. Don't judge. But people will judge and I'll tell you. I know that.
And I'll tell my story. You told your story about the ink, right? Yep. So I knew you had this pose.
So that's why today I didn't wear my sleeves. And I was like, you know, I do want to share this because
growing up, so my skin color is a bit olive and it's a little bit tan. And growing up,
the girls that were most popular were the fair, porcelain skin. Pana dolls.
Look at my panna doll. You know, porcelain skin. So that's why I wanted, I hate the sun.
I don't go out into the sun. This way I don't put ink because I want that porcelain look.
Okay. You know? Yeah. So you have your prejudice. I also felt very ostracized in a way because,
yeah, so you have the big size. Now let me show. So I talked about the porcelain skin.
Besides, I'm shocked. And that becomes a problem everywhere. You know, I wanted to be like a SQ
girl at, you know, Singapore girl. I cannot. There was no way I would pass any test because
of my height. So people look at this, you know, short girl. And when I started my career,
you know, who knew about psychologists? You know, even my parents didn't know what psychology was
like 20 over years ago. And I insisted, I wanted to do psychology, you know, and I wanted to do it
since I was in secondary school. So I already knew what I wanted to do, but nobody else knew what it
was at that time. So people only started to know about Freud and all the psychoanalytics,
psychoanalysts, and they were all old men with beard. So when I first went out,
when people came in looking for a psychologist, they stared at me and went,
you can be a psychologist, you can be a psychologist. I said, how does a psychologist look like?
Do I have to have white hair and be a man so that I can be a psychologist? So there's just
prejudice, like you say, right? And it was frustrating because then I learned, you know,
early on, please don't wear short skirts and, you know, clothes that you bend can see everything.
Cover up. Yeah. Yeah. So we wear muted colors, we, you know, dress decently.
Otherwise, the guys, and we do couple counseling, you go like the guys are staring at your legs
instead of, excuse me, you know, what's wrong with you? Concentrate on our conversation. If not,
I'm going to refer you to another person. You know, it is, you know, frustrating when people judge,
but I'm going to say this and I often say this, sadness is a choice. So you and I can continue to
be frustrated and upset about people judging, but we know people are going to judge. So sadness becomes
a choice. Happiness actually requires a lot of effort and people don't realize that. So with all
that contentment, fulfillment, you know, purpose, let's come back to happiness because people are
more comfortable with the word happiness. So I'm going to put it out there that happiness is effort
and sadness is a choice. Wow. Wow. Wow. Sadness is a choice. Happiness is effort.
How does that sit with you? I just, I mean, it makes a lot of sense. It makes a lot of sense. It
does. It does. It does. Sadness is a choice. You choose whether you want to be sad, but it's,
but you cannot choose to be happy because there's no such thing.
So, you know, this is where I'm going to Chris, you're screwed.
Because Dr. Jerry says there's no such thing called happiness, but sadness is a choice though.
So what's the definition of sadness? Sadness is things that break you down.
Well, that was fast. You came out like that. Happiness is so hard, so hard to define happiness,
but sadness is over. Wow. No hesitation, man. Wow. Because I see it all the time, Chris. I see it in
my center. You don't see happiness in your center? Okay. Okay. I know, I know, I know what you're
going to say. Chris, if they're happy, what the hell do they come to see me? I see hope. Okay. Wait,
do happy people come to see you? They, they, wow. Wow. Now I've, now I've undone you. Not really,
but it is interesting. I wish that more, more contented people come and do check-ins with me.
More contented people. Here we go. She's not using the word happy. She is not using the word
happy. More contented people come and see. And why would, you said you wish that, right? Why would
contented people come see you? So I'm going to put it this way. If you're contented with your
bodies, would you stop going to the gym? No. Yeah. Because, because it's a choice. You'll be sad.
Yeah. See, look at me, look at my body now. I'm sad. A couple of months ago, no, a year ago,
I was happy, but now I'm sad. I'm sad because I made a choice. I stopped going to gym for a year.
I'm back in the gym though. Okay. Am I happy now? No. Why? Look at my body. I'm so sad.
Happiness needs a lot of effort. But I've not become contented yet. Okay. Okay. That really
makes sense now. But again, content, contented people, people are content with their lives.
And you're saying to me, it's like going to the gym. You've got, you've got,
you've got looking great and all that. It doesn't mean you stop going. Yep. Because you got to keep
going in order for you to continue being contented. So along the same vein, you're saying that people,
if they're already contented, should come to see someone like you to continue being contented.
So if we liken, you know, mental health to physical health, physical health, we work so hard for.
Yeah. Right. We work out, we eat well. Same thing with mental health. We need to continue to work
on it. It is work in progress, work in process. And you know, so when I talk about the contented
people coming to do the check-ins, I just, interesting because I just had someone, a young
lad who comes in every six months to check in with me. And even today when I asked him, right,
Hey, you know, would you like to terminate sessions or would you like to continue, you know,
because you're doing really, really well. He thought about it and he went, no, I think,
you know, let's continue every six months. I think, and he parked it and he positioned
when he wanted it. And I was like, okay, yeah. So it's like going back to MRI every year to make
sure your nose is still okay. It's going for your dental check-up every six months, you know,
and making sure that there's no cavity. But Jerry, this is different. I mean, this is where I'm going
to ask, this is where I'm going to prove I'm old fashioned again. Mental health. I know that there's
been a lot going on. Good thing, good things, good things. And I'm glad for it. You know,
that's more, there's more attention towards the need for mental health. And trying to eradicate
this supposed taboo people have, stereotyping it, you know. And you see, this is where I struggle
with that. Okay. I will speak as, I would just say, put it plainly. I will put it, oh boy,
I put it plainly. I'm being psychoanalyzed. I really am. I'll put it plainly. What would
a perception be of people thinking that, you know, I don't know whether or not I need any help,
you know, for my, for me mentally. Yeah. I don't know whether I need any help. I don't know whether
I need any help for me emotionally as well, for example. Okay. And what comes to mind? Well, yeah,
stigma is one. It will never go away. It will always be there because, you know, if it's been
a hundred years of stigma, it's going to take 200 years for that stigma to go away. Yeah. I think
it was quite fair for me to say that. On top of that, it would also be, how am I going to afford
this? Because people don't know what the fee would be like. They don't, people don't. People can more
or less gauge a neighborhood GP. Yep. Because they're used to that. Yep. Right. Yep. They can
gauge what a specialist in certain fields would charge, but they cannot, because they don't do
this often and people don't talk about it. They don't know how much they have to set aside for
sessions with someone like you, for example. I mean, hell, I really don't know. I don't. Yeah.
And then there's also the thing about, you know, it's like walking past some place and then you,
I want to go in there, but I don't know what I should. And I walk past again. I want to go in
there, but I don't know what I should. And I walk past again because you don't want people to see
you walking into a place that has, you know, that will treat that, oh, that means this guy,
he needs a head shrink, he has an issue. You know? And then, and then you're worried about what people
might think of you, right? I mean, stick back. Sure. You know? But even to that extent, right?
Me, for example, if I were to come to your clinic,
I would feel okay because I would come in to say, hi, how are you? You know? But
I can't imagine me going in to say, hey, I need help. I can't, I can't imagine doing that.
You know what I mean? There's going to be this breaks that you just step on. I think I'm not,
I mean, I think people are like that. I'm like that. And I don't know whether I need help or not
anyway. I'm not saying I'm, I'm, I'm, you see? You see? I'm not saying I have issues.
So it is really, I think everyone's like this. So that's one thing that I want to advocate,
right? That people don't need to have issues to come forward to chat with us. And that's where
I want to bring the nation or I want to bring the world. It's a very big, you know, sort of a
a dream that I have. But it's again, I love to dream big. Yeah. But, you know, and I want to bring
the mental health, the idea of mental health to more people. That's why since the beginning
of my career, I'm actually very afraid. So nowadays the lights are not so bright, but in the past,
the lights are super bright. And I, many people don't realize that, but I actually have a fear
of speaking. What? Yeah. Oh, come on. I have a fear of speaking on stage, speaking with people.
In therapy session is fine. I'm in my space, I'm in my say zone. When I'm on stage, when you're
doing presentation, when I'm even like things like this, you know, my hands are sweaty. I'm not
afraid to say, you know, there is a lot of fear, but it's because of the love for the passion,
the feel and the work, right? That I say more people needs to come forward. Therefore, you know,
I step forward and do so many different sort of things and so much of that media work. Yeah. So,
you know, bringing it to everyone to let them know that the psychology is not scary. We are
actually very nice people. The, the, the, the psych field of psychology is not as alien as we
think it is. Okay. And people don't need to fear it so they can come forward. Right. Now
having them come forward to, to, for not just issues. Yeah. So there are other colleagues
out there that call it differently coaching, you know, wellness and yeah, so they try to call it
differently, but coaches and, and, and, uh, as a wellness coach and career coach, their training
is slightly different also. Sure. Sure. But, um, sometimes in order to bridge that, you know,
the fear, they call it differently. And I've seen some colleagues do that. Yeah. But let's call it
speed and speed. Psychology is psychology. And really it's not scary at all. Yeah. You're right.
We're calling it wellness these days, including the aesthetic specialist and all that wellness
clinic. I tell you what, I tell you what we do. We do a, we do a one-for-one barter. Okay. I don't
believe I'm going to say this on camera, but okay. Let's give it a shot, man. I don't mind. Let's go
and figure this out. I can't see you. Oh, sorry. Ethics. I cannot see you. Yeah. Why? Because we
don't see our friends. We don't see our relatives. Okay. That's it. Open the window again, man. Throw
that one out too. See la. So, so, so usually what we do is when, when relatives of friends come,
they see my team. Right. I don't see me. Okay. But what happens if the person's not comfortable with anyone
else? It's not about just comfort with one person. Right. They do need to be comfortable with the
therapist. Right. But the therapist is also human. So there's a lot of emotional investment and a lot of-
Yes. It's just like a doctor can't treat his own family members, right? Yeah. I understand that. But
it's just, but as far as this is concerned, I mean, I wouldn't want to speak to someone I don't know
you, you know, though some people would prefer that. Some people are crazy, you know, some people in
the sales field, for example, I don't want to sell people I know. So why? I don't want, I'd rather
say sell people I don't know. I'm sorry, but I just cannot understand that concept. I'm unable to
understand the concept, you know, that there's no strings attached, but you have, okay. Even if you
sell someone something and that person is cold, yeah, wouldn't you want to have the, you know,
the opportunity to build, the opportunity to build a friendship or a nice relationship with that person?
But many of these people go, no, I don't want, it's just selling, that's it. You know, and I can never
understand that. So I'm that kind of guy, you know, I'd rather see someone I know than see someone I
don't. Okay, so this is another issue, this is another block, but anyway, that's not the point. I
do a one-for-one barter with you, okay. So that moving forward, you no longer have fear on stage.
Fear behind the camera, because I'm also a coach, you see. Yes, we know that. So we can do a one-for-one barter.
One-for-one barter. How you know? You haven't come to my classes. Oh, your reputation. Oh really?
Well, anyway, anyway, I'm always open, doors are always open. Don't worry, don't walk past,
go behind and walk past, and don't come in, you know, must come in. Don't do it me.
But anyway, that's great. I mean, I, I, I maybe, maybe I should just give it a shot and see one of
you, what's one of your, one of your guys in your team, you know, and have a chat. Why not? I think
I need help. Don't you think so? I look like a bit loco, right? Yeah, I mean, okay. That's not fair.
That's not fair. That's not fair. That's not fair. Don't take me seriously. Okay, so right now,
coming back to the happiness. Happiness is effort. Oh gosh. Do you think, in general, I mean,
just take happiness as what it is generally. Okay. Do you think Singaporeans are happy?
They're not contented. They're not contented with many things. They can be richer, the people can
be nicer, the ERP can be cheaper or not happy. See, you can be past a hundred grand and much more now.
Yeah, basically if you hear what they're saying or you listen to conversations, right, they're
complaining all the time. So they're very, you know, they're very discontented bunch. Okay. How
about, how about if I change it this way? So it's interesting, you know, this word is just going to
drive me nuts the whole night. Contentment, discontentment is also the discontentment people
have that we may see it as entitlement, the entitled society. And you know, I did have a chat
with you briefly and then I saw your last answer to me and I kept quiet about it. I was complaining
to you about the incidences that, Kai, you better get ready to roll that up on screen. The incidences
that occurred and the Geylang Sarai Bazaar, right, now that's going to come on screen so you guys can
take a look see. That incident, the man gets flack for saying Geylang Bazaar tables should be
reserved for Muslims who are doing the ifta, breaking their fast. And he got flack, right.
And there were a bunch of people who commented in that particular article on that post for the
article for mothership and who really told him that, you know, if you want to become earlier,
this is open to everybody, okay. I swear. And to me, it's like, hey guys, first of all, it's Ramadan.
Okay, can we empathize that they are fasting for a month from seven to seven, right. No water and
they're working and you know, the Geylang Sarai Bazaar was created, organized for them. We have
to count ourselves fortunate that we are able to celebrate that with them. So just give way.
Don't just, don't be so discontented and then turn it around a virtue signal
and say that, oh you come earlier. Why must you make it mandatory just for you Muslims?
And I had put my comment in, I actually was being fair. I said exactly what I just said just now.
It's this is built for them. Just give way. And this person came in and said,
Christians are open up to everybody. We're not going to say, oh, it's mandatory. This is only
made for Christians. I said, dude, this is not an apple for apple comparison anymore.
And he kept going on. And it was, you know, honestly, I'm not Muslim. I'm Catholic. You're
Catholic. And you know, to me, I felt for them and this guy, this poor guy who wrote in wrote
and he actually ended the article by saying that, sorry, my English not so good. I'm only got
secondary education and people mocked him for that. Oh no. People mocked him for that, mocked him.
And you know, when I read this, how can we be happy? Because you know why? Because I'm unhappy.
I see this happening in community. I can't stand it. Right. And then there's some more incidences.
That poor girl, Muslim girl, 20 years old, on board an MRT train. Come on, it's time to
for to break fast. It is obligatory for them to at least bite something, you know, have a drink of
water, have something to just chew and swallow before they can have a proper meal. Right. And
and she tried to observe and persevere her own faith. So she took a bite off of, I think a bar.
And then she put it back in a bag and then she got admonished by this other lady.
And of course she used the letter of the law against her. You're not supposed to eat and
drink on the train. You are being very, what's the word for it? Please be considerate.
You know, I mean, I mean, and then when she got off the train station, she went to the station master
and that guy, he gave me more faith in humanity after that because she asked him, I mean, I can't
do that. And he said, it's okay. And he smiled. She wrote that down. He smiled. Just don't,
don't leave the rapper anywhere, you know. It's about empathy. At least when he said that, I felt,
I felt, oh my God, you know, but like, but it was disappointing. The sheer ignorance,
this is not entitlement anymore. This is virtue signaling. Right. And then the other guy,
the other dude with a stroller, with a baby inside, can't get into the lift because all
the able-bodied people are going in. It's the same thing as, as it happens, as things happen
with me, with my mom's in the wheelchair. So when we go for mass, right in church, same thing,
people, able-bodied rush for the lift and the people, the wheelchairs have to wait.
And they, and they, and they stand there and they look at you and sometimes look past you as if
you're invisible. And then the lift doors close. You know, and I go, why? I'm not entitled. But
you know what these people would say? Just because of this, you think you're entitled. That's warped.
But how can we say then that we are content?
They're very, I will use the word empty. So many people so empty. You should read,
Jerry, read the comments, read them, comments that are different people who just like to
read such comments. But you have a pulse of how things are like. That's true. Yeah, that is true.
But it pains us when we read such comments because there's this lack of tolerance.
Yes, that is the word. Everybody don't understand the word tolerance. Two words, tolerance and
compassion. You know, if you're tolerant, you will hold back a little bit and look at the situation
before jumping in and commenting. Yeah. But when people don't do that, they shut their mouths off.
And normally when they shut their mouths off, they are not compassionate because they have no
empathy. They cannot, we call it theory of mind to look from the other person's point of view.
Simple. Jerry is called heartless. I wanted to use like such a... Don't need. Go around.
Don't come and go. Don't tell me, hey, heartless. What's the meaning of heartless? Like happiness.
Don't. Please. Heartless is heartless. Don't have. Don't have. Empty. You're right. Empty. Empty.
Devoid the feeling. Devoid of the ability to be sensitive. You know, I'm telling you, this episode,
I'm going to get flamed. I'm going to get flamed. Yeah, I'll be flamed. There will be people saying,
Chris, they're talking out of your... You know, I'm... See, usually I don't care. I won't hold my words
back. I look at you and I cannot say a potty word. Yeah. No excuses, Chris. No excuses, please. Okay.
So, you know, and frankly, I really don't care. They can say whatever the hell they want to say,
but this is what makes me unhappy, frankly, you know? And if you talk about this, to me, right,
I think it's societal. I think it's become endemic in society. Why? Because even on the roads you
drive and you know, when you put on a light indicator, you want to filter left, you want to
filter right, that guy at either side, it doesn't matter who, you don't notice two complete strangers
who are absolute assholes and they're just going to speed up and they're not going to let you go.
And it happens every day, every... Well, eight out of ten in the times in a day, right? So,
does it tell you, are we happy? No, no, no. Are we content or is everyone just empty?
Very unfulfilled people and they need to fill their bank with a lot of behaviors like that,
because if not, their life has no color words. You know? So, if you're fulfilled, your life is
full of color. Your life is not just black and white, you know? But when you're empty, then your
life is either black or white. So, what kind of advice would you give people like this? I call them
assholes. What kind of advice would you give people like that, you know, who cannot find fulfillment,
who just think about themselves? To me, I call them self-entitled, they're heartless, they're
dis-compassionate and they ought to be slapped right in the center all the time. So that somebody
has to do that and wake them up, you know? So, okay, that's me. That's just me talking. I'm not
speaking on behalf of Jerry. She is a pro here. So, I'm going to ask a professional. What would you
say to these sort of people? How can they wake up? I would wear the psychologist hat. These people
have no insight. You get angry with them, you're going to make yourself upset. What's the point?
Oh, come on. Don't tell me for one second it doesn't upset you when you're on the road, for example.
Yeah, it does. But remember, sadness is a choice. Oh gosh, are we doing that? Are we really doing this?
Are we really doing this? Oh boy. Okay people, I know some of you would agree with me for sure,
right? Yeah, but the driving bit, especially driving bit. Sadness, being angry is a choice.
Don't get angry, okay? I'm not saying don't feel sadness. Of course you feel. Of course you have
your emotions. But by doing this, it's called repressing it, isn't it? But by getting as angry
as them, by doing what they are doing, aren't you just stooping to that? No, no, no. I won't do
that. What they're doing, I won't and I don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't do that. I don't like people
indicate me if you want to go and I give them away. I don't do that. They'll make me a hypocrite.
I get angry. Yes. I get really angry. I do. Do I get out there and hit someone? Of course not.
I would be in prison right now. You wouldn't even be here. I wouldn't be here. There won't be no
studio. Yeah, there'll be no show. Yeah, but I'm angry. Sure. And I know that if I hold it back
and I don't curse and swear and I don't get angry, but I don't talk about it, I don't get pissed
about it, I'm just repressing. Yes. And that's going to hurt me. I'm going to get high blood
pressure. I'm going to get a stroke and die. Yeah. So that's also another thing, isn't it? So what
does what? Okay. Don't talk about that. That's not important. These people who have no fulfillment,
right? No empathy. We can't do anything about that until they have insight, but we can treat them
with the respect that you've shown throughout the session with me. Obsession.
You're having a session with me. In the end, I turned out to really be psychoanalyzed the whole time.
Oh my goodness. Clever. This one free. I charge one.
But really, they need our love. They need our respect. Of course we can get angry with them.
We feel the anger, you know, but I'm not asking you to be a saint. I'm no saint myself. I get angry.
I also can scold people. I just want to have the fleas of a thousand camels infest their hairs and
their armpits. You know what size of it. I mean, you itch and scratch and itch and scratch and itch
and scratch, you know, and keep scratching your underarms forever. Yeah. I mean, you know,
honestly, man, I mean, I marvel at you, you know, for saying that. It's like a priest saying,
you know, you know, step you one side, give him the other side, you know, and then give him the
other side again and then give him the other side, you know. But it takes a lot of effort. And I do
agree that we are very, you know, we can get angry and I do get very, very angry, right? It's,
there's no point getting angry with them. And then you are left with that bitter taste in your mouth,
whether or not I don't think it is worth it. You know, I can go and complain to my friend,
you know what happened and I can download. And then I go like, okay, you know, you're not in my life.
What do you want to do with your life? You do with you. What do you want to do with your life?
Actually, honestly speaking, yeah, okay, if we don't want to
therapize them and if I want to therapize me, I tell you how I do it. Okay. Classic. Besides going,
thinking, you know, having a little fantasy in your head and this guy makes you really mad because
that guy's completely off, right? And I go, besides the fleas and thousand camels on the armpits,
yeah, you know, may you, may you have flatulence that lasts for two hours and you're just letting
go gas or every minute, every second, every minute for two hours, okay, until you realize that
you have no more anus. You have permission to rent. Correct. Yeah. And then I draw these little,
you know, images and funny scenarios in my head and I, hmm, then I start laughing. Yeah. Yeah.
So it doesn't affect your life. This person doesn't come into your life and he's, you're not
responsible for your own sins. Sure, sure, sure. But when I was drawing, the reason why I raised all this is to come to a point. Yeah.
That in my mind, there's so many people behaving like this. Yeah. And I'm gonna bloody sin, I don't
care anymore about this word, contentment. There's so many people, I'm not even going to say unfulfilled,
damn it. They're just bloody not happy. You know what I mean? Yeah. They're not happy. Yeah, they're not happy.
So, you know, not happy, come and go to a psychologist, go to a counselor so that you can
seek some happiness. For a moment, for a moment there, I thought you're gonna say, if you're not happy and you know it,
don't clap your hands. Yeah. If you're happy and you know it, if you're not happy and you know it,
don't clap your hands. Yeah. But yeah, no, on that, on, and on that note, I've done you a favor though.
Everyone, take a look at Jerry's camera because this is gonna pop up right now. There you go.
I know I may have broken some cop com rules because I didn't ask you about it but, but then again, what the heck, right?
I mean, it looks pretty nice there, isn't it? The clinic is called the therapy room, okay?
The context all there is very simple, okay? You guys really want to do this, you just pause at this time.
Press button, pause. I'm not pausing now, I'm just looking at myself, I'm paused, okay?
Okay, so just press pause and then the numbers are there, the email's there, the address is there.
There is no way you cannot contact Dr. Geraldine Tan at the therapy room. And my team. And her team.
She's so worried because she's so overwhelmed now. It's like, it's like the bits are full.
Oh, my couches are taking up all the air. We don't have beds, we have couch.
Comfortable on the couch? Not really. But why couch?
I've always watched, before we end the show, I just want to know this. Why couch? Why?
Who came up with the idea, Freud? Was it Freud? Supposed to be comfortable, you're supposed to
lounge there and tell your story, you see. But why a couch? It could be a chair.
Chair uncomfortable. It could be a table having coffee like you and me.
Ah, so table, oh, there's a story for another time. But very quick one thing.
Oh, really, there's a story for that.
So when we have a couch, you and I have no obstacle in between. The table poses as an obstacle.
So yeah, so it's a different story for a different time.
Is that, that is, it's like me teaching you the psychology of the sail.
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true, it's true, I teach that. Never do business when you sit down
with a guy on a square table. Round table, it's non-intermediating. And there is a semblance of
not really having a barrier. See, your framework and mine, not very different.
Quite true. And then, you know, sit the guy on your left and you sit on his right. Because when
you speak to his right ear, you are speaking more to his conjuring side than his logic.
NLP.
Yeah, well, not bad. Okay. So yeah, so couch is for that. One day I need to lie down on that couch.
And what happens if your patient falls asleep?
Then maybe they do really need that sleep.
And then you leave them be?
I leave them be.
Wow. I really need that couch.
No, you don't come into therapy to sleep, okay?
Okay. Why do you just put an awesome chair there, man?
I tell you, you get more out of the guy.
Anyway, Jerry, thank you so very much for spending this hour plus with us.
And it's really been nice, really, really.
It's so funny that my cheek is so painful.
I've succeeded. I've only said, and it wasn't even an expeditive.
By the way, asshole, it's not an expeditive.
Yeah.
It's not what?
I don't think it is.
It's not. Yeah, it's not.
You had a little baby a long time ago in that movie, the talking baby.
Look who's talking. And he went, hey, ho.
See? Not bad word.
Yeah, hey, it's not a bad word.
Yeah. For those of you old enough to remember that movie,
for those of you too young, forget it.
So no, see, no potty mouth today.
Completely clean.
Amazing.
Absolutely. I'm about to spoil it.
I'm going to fuck out right now.
Okay. Thank you, everyone, for spending time with us.
I hope you enjoyed yourself.
It's been a lot of rambling today.
And this only happens when Dr. Geraldine Tan is with me.
Otherwise, I will not ramble.
Actually, I do bullshit.
I'll see you guys again next time.
Till then, stay safe, everybody.
Bye-bye.
Bye.