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You're gonna get me into trouble! My wife is gonna listen to this!

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But how do you always get... I need to know man! How do you always have all these babes surrounding you? What do you do?

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Hi everyone and welcome back to this episode of the Chris Hansen conversation and I have flanking me. I have people who I will call the old spin doctors.

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So this is the one with the old spin doctors. And to my left I have Kenneth Mark and to my right I have the party man Clifford.

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And these guys have been in the game and that would be the club DJing scene like forever since I was in fucking diapers.

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So these guys... Oh we can use obscenities. Of course you can. But I'm only 22. Oh really? I'm 36. Oh you're 36 huh? And then I must be 15.

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And then these guys have been around for such a long time and that's the reason why I asked them to be here as my khakis for this particular episode.

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And for those of you in and around the world, khakis would mean buddies. Okay? To have them here as my buddies on the show for me to ask them some questions.

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First of all let me just start this way guys. Kenneth, how long have you been in this game?

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I started about 14 plus. I'm 36 now.

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That's freak. I would ignore the 36 bit. 14? That would be illegal right?

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No. Back then we could do home parties, mobile discos. Functions. House functions. Where people are more tolerant.

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So you started actually doing stuff for house parties? Yeah for house parties. Okay but not in a club at that time?

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Then this guy came along. He saw me spinning at a house party and he asked me, hey you want to spin in a club?

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It's my house right? Yeah it was his house. I did a birthday party for his sister.

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And here comes this little guy. He said, hey you want to spin in a club? I said, hey why not?

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No wait. He was spinning for your sister's party. But you spin. Why didn't you spin?

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Because it was my sister's birthday so we had invited and then... it's a long story.

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Hello. That's the reason why you're on this show. Because I want to listen to long stories.

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Okay he was dating back then one of my sister's best friends. If I'm not wrong.

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So he happened to be at the party and I was slightly older. So I was in the background partying.

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And then all the music was going on. So I was like, hey this guy can play. So I went and said hi.

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But why again? Why didn't you spin? I think what happened was I was doing the early warming up for him.

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Then after a few beers he took over. And you were underage? I think I was 17 and he was 14.

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No he wasn't underage. You were underage. Yeah 14 plus.

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When did you start? Around the same time as Kenneth I reckon.

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How old were you? I think I was about maybe 15 or 16.

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Holy shit. Another illegal one. Just before the army.

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So we were all DJing using cassettes and our own house equipment. Our Akai amplifier, our cassette deck.

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And then we never had a mixer. We just get ready to change one, two, flip the switch.

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So it's chopping in? Just chopping in here and there.

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But then at that time when we were at my house I think we already had mixers and we had the Mark IIs already.

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Right, the Mark II turntables.

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So why so young, 14, 15, got on to the DJing business so to speak? Why?

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I think it was basically a passion for music and I was influenced by my dad who was collecting Hi-Fi stereo systems

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and he was playing like Vinyls in the background. Elvis, Carpenters, Rita Coolidge.

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And not necessarily club music. Not necessarily club music but it got me into music.

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So then I was staying in Serangoon Gardens and we had gangs. I'm sorry not gangs, cliques.

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Cliques. What the fuck. And we hung out and we just did cool things.

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So you're one of those Serangoon Garden guys? Yeah.

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Gardens boy. Because I remember way back when the gardens seemed to be producing quite a lot of DJs coming out for that neighborhood.

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And naughty boys. As well as that.

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Where's school you're from man? St. Gabriel's.

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Oh yeah St. Gabriel's boy of course. How about you? Josephine.

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But I used to hang out in St. Gabriel's. I called Juan theater. I was the only SGI boy that used to be hanging out there.

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So why did you start? Because it was cool.

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No shit. Is that really the truth or there's more to it?

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No, no. I said hey this is cool stuff man. So you know every time we organized a party we were in charge of our own music.

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So in the end so many people always wanted to come to our functions.

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So we decided to like, there were four of us at that time. I remember four of my good friends.

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So we decided to do this on a weekly basis. One day at my house, one day at your house.

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So every month we used to have functions. We used to clear the furniture out of our living room.

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All the tables and chairs out, put a lift and then you know we just invite the whole neighborhood show up and then we just party and dance.

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And all this without any money to be earned.

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Without money because we used to dismantle our hi-fi in the hi-fi cabinet.

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You know we used to dismantle everything and then take the parts that we wanted out.

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And then you know if I didn't have enough speakers or you got the equalizer you would bring it.

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You know and then we would put a fan on the amplifier and then we just borrow everybody's speaker and then join the black and red cable.

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Join, join, join, join. And then we have eight speakers and then it would last for about one hour.

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Then after that everything would get distorted.

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Because the amplifier was underpowered.

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So when you started was it for no money as well?

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It was for money. We did house parties. We got maybe three, four hundred dollars.

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Wow that's quite a lot of money back then right?

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And then we saved the money so that we could buy the techniques.

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Okay, okay guys let's stop being such fuckers about our age.

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So when we talking about three, four hundred bucks back then and we're saying because our listeners and viewers they'll be wondering about this shit right?

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That was in which year?

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I think that was 81.

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1981.

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81, 82.

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Three, four hundred bucks is a lot of money back then.

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Yeah it was.

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A whole lot of money. That's pretty decent.

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When did you start earning money doing this?

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After a while when we, you know the four of us we decided to hey you know since it's working out so well.

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And then that time there was a growing demand for mobile discos so we started our own mobile.

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I'm sure most of the old DJs started their mobile disco.

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Ours was called Aces because there was Arthur, Clifford, Edmund and Sam.

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So you know ours was Aces mobile disco and his was called.

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Cats.

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And then ours was about 20 we had Cats music productions.

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So isn't it amazing you guys started out in a DJing scene, well house functions.

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Because you love music.

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You guys love music, love putting things together.

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You say let's have a party.

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Yeah that's right.

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You sell these parties.

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You get paid for it.

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Well you didn't get something.

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Yeah after a while we got paid for it.

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Yeah that's right.

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Yeah he got paid for it.

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Smarter guy.

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Smarter guy got paid first.

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Of course of course.

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And then both of you started as early entrepreneurs.

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And how long did those businesses respectively last?

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It lasted me until you know when I went to NS we were doing all our company functions

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and his company functions and then the sergeants and the captains were like, hey you all are

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very good can you all do one for you know.

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So we started doing everything for the army.

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Same.

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Passing out bread party.

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All the parties.

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So we in NS.

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So we could get out of camp very easily.

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Because there's such a joy isn't it.

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And I was playing at NCO club as well.

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Oh you were?

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Oh wow.

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Yeah $1 in kerb beer.

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What happened to those businesses then after NS?

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Were they still in existence?

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Did you come back to running the show?

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Um we had a business and then after which there was competition but then because I was

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also in the army.

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Um I kind of like moonlighted at night.

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And I was spinning to survive from my $90.

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Do you do know that that's also illegal right?

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Yes it was illegal.

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Yeah illegal.

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So then we were playing like tavern on the square.

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It was kind of you know.

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Oh wow.

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And then morning back to camp and the cast.

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Oh tavern on the square.

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Were you at tavern on the square?

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Yeah you know I was at uh I was at this place in Park Lane.

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It was called Park Lane disco.

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Holy shit.

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It was at another place called The Trap.

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The Trap yeah yeah.

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Yeah that was The Trap.

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It was a high end KTV.

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I cannot mention who used to go there because I would get arrested.

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And I will not ask because I don't want to get arrested either.

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Tavern on the square man shout out to Gingerbread.

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Shout out to my dear dear Dato Jason Shahul and Mam and Hussein.

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Wow these guys.

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He was spinning in Tavern.

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How the fuck.

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When you were there spinning in Tavern on the square.

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How old were you?

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Well 20, 21.

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No freaking way man.

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21 yeah.

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No freaking way.

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I'm not that much younger than you.

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You know why?

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This is this story I've I've I've mentioned this to Jason Shahul who's for those of you

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who don't know Gingerbread was quite an iconic band.

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Back in the day in the 80s when Singapore was in my opinion we were rocking it.

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The band scene was really really rocking.

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And Gingerbread wrote a song and it was an original number it's called Roses.

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That's the reason why the band leader is a guy named Jason Shahul and he owns Gingerbread

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recording studios now and his wife is the illustrious and Hussein.

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And these guys were part and parcel of the band.

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Yeah.

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And they wrote a song called Roses.

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It was an original number.

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And that's the reason why they are featured in a national museum.

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Because that song hit the charts.

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Yeah I remember that.

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Yeah Roses is an amazing song and Kenneth Mark used to spin at a place where they but

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Gingerbread used to play called Tavern in the Square in Singapore's East Coast Park

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way back when.

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And when at that time if memory serves me correctly it was what 84.

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Yeah you couldn't have been 20 something man because I was like 14, 15 and I was trying

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to get my way into the club illegally to watch them play.

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Maybe 20.

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You can't be that much older than me come on.

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We don't have a calculator here.

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Oh Jesus.

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You can't be all that much older than me.

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Well really old cocks man you guys.

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Where did you spin man?

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Way back around that time.

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Okay my first when I first started being paid for playing I believe it was for a mobile

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disco company.

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I believe it was Disco World.

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Oh no.

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At Shaw Centre.

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Remember they had that shop Disco World and then it was Mr Goh and the wife.

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So I used to run all their mobile discos for them for this guy called Ajit.

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Ajit yeah.

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I don't know if you all can remember him or not.

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So they used to send me to all these places and then I had one turntable and two turntables

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and one cassette and then they used to give me recorded CDs, recorded cassettes.

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Recorded cassettes alright cassettes.

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Five recorded cassettes you know to play.

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I can play one record and then after that when it finishes I switch to the CD and then

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switch back to the record.

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But what do you call that?

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What do you call that?

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What do people call that now?

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You know when you have cassettes and you recorded it.

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What's it called?

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There's a name for it right?

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Cassette player?

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Mixed tape.

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Mixed tape.

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We used to have all the mixed tapes ready to go.

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Seven to eight, eight to nine, nine to ten.

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Was it really hard work?

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Yeah because we couldn't carry the records back then so what we did was we did mix tapes

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and we had timings on them and we used to record three records before we go.

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So every time we wanted to change the mix tape we would switch back to one record or

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we would sing the birthday song and then we quickly switch back to the mixed tape.

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So you know now that we're talking about that subject of mixed tapes, back when you had

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Mark IIs, turntables.

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No that time not yet.

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Oh then what was it?

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The Mark IIs were new in the market so we were just starting to, it wasn't really very

243
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available everywhere.

244
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Not everybody could afford it.

245
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I think he's still going back to the time when he was 16.

246
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Yeah.

247
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So at Disco World we used to have very limited turntables.

248
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So when they had two or three mobile discos going out on the same day, only one team would

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get the good stuff.

250
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Then the rest of us would get cassettes.

251
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So you started in an era before the Technics Mark II came on board.

252
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Yeah, yeah, more or less.

253
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Fuck me.

254
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That's paleolithic man.

255
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That's like way before Jurassic dude.

256
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Yeah, the mixer had a knob.

257
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You know you turn left and right.

258
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Left, right.

259
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You were lucky if you could get Hitachi with a small little knob and you could have a little

260
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pitch control.

261
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Yeah, yeah.

262
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Yeah, that was considered lucky with smaller pitch control.

263
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Gosh.

264
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Okay, again I'm going to come back to this topic.

265
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When we're talking about mixed tapes, comparing to the DJs of the time, I think the DJs of

266
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today, when we're talking about mixed tapes, comparing to the DJs of today, using computers,

267
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right?

268
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BPMs are actually done for you.

269
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Am I right to say that?

270
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Correct.

271
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And you have, you either use Tractor or Serato, right?

272
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Correct.

273
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Okay, the DJ controllers.

274
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Yes.

275
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Back when guys, when you were using mixed tapes and then you have your turntables, let's

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say you're given the good stuff back way back when.

277
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You still had a party going.

278
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Yes.

279
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You still could hold the crowd on the floor, right?

280
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Yes.

281
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Skill sets compared to back then to those today.

282
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If you get those guys today who spin, right now the younger generation, to do what you

283
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guys did, do you think they can do it?

284
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It would be a little bit difficult for them because back then like I said, you don't have

285
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the advantage of the computer, the laptop.

286
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Yes.

287
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But then again, we also had the advantage because we knew how to use the mics.

288
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Yes.

289
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And the DJs that are playing today don't really use the microphones.

290
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So you can relate to what Clifford said.

291
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Yes, that's right.

292
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So what Clifford just said is that, let me try and get this right, okay?

293
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Okay.

294
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You guys had the skill sets.

295
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Correct.

296
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Yes.

297
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Behind the microphone.

298
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Yes.

299
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And how would you define what Clifford just said, since you agree?

300
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What does it mean, skill set behind the microphone?

301
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I mean, if we have a gig, we are the entertainers.

302
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Right.

303
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We spin our music.

304
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Right.

305
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And we use the mic to hype the crowd, party.

306
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Okay.

307
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Can you have an example of how you would hype the crowd behind the microphone?

308
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Could you do something?

309
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You want me to take off my clothes now?

310
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Behind the microphone, dude.

311
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Not visually.

312
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It's kind of difficult because you don't have the atmosphere here.

313
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Yeah, I understand.

314
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But give an example.

315
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We don't have to really do it to hype out the crowd.

316
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But example, what would you say behind the microphone?

317
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You know, last time it was easy.

318
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It was like, you know, it's more or less what the DJs are saying today.

319
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But the only difference I reckon is that the DJs of today have what's called a hype man who does the hyping for them.

320
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Most of the DJs nowadays can't speak on the mic.

321
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When they see a microphone, they get terrified.

322
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They're like, oh, wow.

323
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Really?

324
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Okay, what the fuck is a hype man, man?

325
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What the fuck is a hype man do?

326
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Okay, so now in modern generation, you got a guy playing the digital music.

327
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Uh-huh.

328
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All right.

329
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He sees the DJ playing the music.

330
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Then you have another guy holding the microphone.

331
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Hey, put your hands up.

332
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That's all he does.

333
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Hands up.

334
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Five, four, three, two.

335
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Everybody jump.

336
00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:06,920
Okay, okay.

337
00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:17,920
I'm trying to relate to this because I remember back in the 90s being in the business, right, though I've never been in the club scene in terms of spinning.

338
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I don't spin.

339
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Yeah, I know.

340
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I don't spin.

341
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Oh, gosh.

342
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Too many things for me to do to dabble in and then I go to spinning.

343
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No.

344
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But I do respect DJs a whole lot.

345
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Yeah.

346
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That's one thing for sure.

347
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Yeah.

348
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You say hype man back when I was doing events.

349
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Yes.

350
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We had this guy that had a role to play and we called this guy a Mikey.

351
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Exactly.

352
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So it's the same concept.

353
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Same concept.

354
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Same concept.

355
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Okay.

356
00:17:48,920 --> 00:18:01,920
But then again, that came a lot later in the 90s when we got the Mikey thing happening because the DJ, even for private events, they will know how to hype up a crowd without having a need to have a Mikey or a hype man.

357
00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:02,920
Exactly.

358
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They get everything.

359
00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:12,920
So basically what you're saying to me is that today's generation of jocks don't have the knack for being behind a mic.

360
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Yes, they don't.

361
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And the funny thing is that I've had some so-called DJs who I'm trying to teach them to use a microphone, right?

362
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It's not easy.

363
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Really?

364
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They look good.

365
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They can play music very well.

366
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I give them the microphone and I go like, hello everybody, I take my name, you see what I mean?

367
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And then I go like, what the?

368
00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:37,920
Everybody ready?

369
00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:38,920
Yeah, exactly.

370
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No.

371
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I swear to God.

372
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I swear to God.

373
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Look good.

374
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And some of the girls look so good.

375
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And then when you give them the microphone, they go, hello, thank you for coming.

376
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It's real.

377
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It's real.

378
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It's really real.

379
00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,920
So this is, okay, why do you think attributed to this issue?

380
00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:58,920
Why?

381
00:18:58,920 --> 00:18:59,920
In your opinion.

382
00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:09,920
Because it's easier to start becoming a DJ now because of all the equipment that you have,

383
00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,920
you know, the modern technology, right?

384
00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,920
It's easier to learn how to become a DJ.

385
00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:15,920
It's much easier.

386
00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,920
Yeah, the computer works for you.

387
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,920
Okay, so it's because of technology that these guys can just become a DJ.

388
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:22,920
Correct.

389
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,920
The more important thing would be how much you have in your library, in your software.

390
00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:27,920
Yeah, correct.

391
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,920
How many songs you have accumulated, right?

392
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:30,920
Correct.

393
00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:31,920
Right.

394
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:32,920
But you guys must have thousands.

395
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,920
Yep, back from the 70s.

396
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,920
But do you guys use digital now?

397
00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:38,920
I still do.

398
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:39,920
Yes.

399
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:40,920
You're using digital now.

400
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:41,920
For Clifford is using digital.

401
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:42,920
I'm still analog.

402
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:43,920
You're still analog.

403
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,920
So I still collect thousands of records and play them.

404
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:47,920
Oh crap.

405
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:48,920
But I'm in the process of going digital.

406
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,920
So there's nothing wrong with digital.

407
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:51,920
I have to embrace it.

408
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:52,920
Right.

409
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:53,920
Because that's the new generation.

410
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:54,920
Sure, sure.

411
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,920
I made the switch when I was playing.

412
00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,920
I can't remember.

413
00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:01,920
But I made the switch when I was with Juliana.

414
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:07,920
I think we switched to CDs, first of all, before the Serato.

415
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:15,920
So I think when I first switched from the record turntable to the CDs, that was in Pornado.

416
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,920
That was my first switch.

417
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,920
I went there and said, okay, this is your all new.

418
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,920
I'm like, oh, oh.

419
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:27,920
And it was tough with the CDs because for a record, we could see where the breaks are.

420
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:28,920
And we could start from the...

421
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:29,920
We could put the needle where it is.

422
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:30,920
Yeah.

423
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,920
But for the CD, you would have to really forward.

424
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:33,920
Tap, tap, tap.

425
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:34,920
Yeah.

426
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,920
And then you have to tap and then you have to memorize because you had the counter.

427
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:44,920
So oh, this CD track one, I have to play, get ready at 0.23 seconds.

428
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:45,920
Yeah.

429
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:46,920
So quite a nightmare.

430
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:47,920
Yeah.

431
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:48,920
And then the sound was also different.

432
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,920
It was a totally different...

433
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,920
It took me one week to get used to it.

434
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:55,920
Get the hang of it.

435
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:56,920
Yeah.

436
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,920
So Monday we went in, they said we switching, you got no more turntables.

437
00:20:58,920 --> 00:20:59,920
Your CD players now.

438
00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:00,920
I said, wow.

439
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:06,920
But you know, you mentioned two names that really brought back memories.

440
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,920
One, you said Julianas.

441
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:09,920
Julianas of London.

442
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:10,920
Julianas of London.

443
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,920
Can you tell everyone that's watching the show who and what Julianas of London was all

444
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:16,920
about?

445
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:23,920
Julianas was one of the biggest agencies that looked after a lot of clubs and disc jockeys

446
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,920
and entertainment managers in Southeast Asia, in London, Oslo, everywhere.

447
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:34,920
So in Asia, they were based at Clemenceau Avenue and they ran all the major clubs in

448
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,920
Singapore, usually at all the hotels.

449
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,920
The Hyatt Hotel was at Shunrasari.

450
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,920
Xanadu was at the Shangla.

451
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:43,920
Scandals.

452
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:44,920
Black Velvet was at...

453
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:45,920
Scandals.

454
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:46,920
Scandals was at Raffles.

455
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:47,920
Raffles.

456
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:48,920
And then we had...

457
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,920
Malaysia Hotel had My Place.

458
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,920
Mandarin Hotel had the library.

459
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:54,920
The library, yeah.

460
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,920
43 Scots was at the Sheraton Towers.

461
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,920
Oh man, we were rocking, you know, back then.

462
00:21:58,920 --> 00:21:59,920
Yeah.

463
00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:03,920
So those were the days when you had a pure, proper club.

464
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:04,920
Club.

465
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:05,920
Yeah.

466
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:06,920
Yeah.

467
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:07,920
Including Xanadu.

468
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:08,920
Including Xanadu.

469
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:09,920
In Shangla.

470
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:10,920
Can you imagine that?

471
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,920
We were a real jumping, jumping, jumping country, man.

472
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,920
Tuesday, ladies night, let me tell you, back in the days, right, Tuesday night, ladies

473
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,920
night at Xanadu, the queue used to be unreal.

474
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:24,920
Yeah.

475
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:25,920
And the ladies did not get free drinks.

476
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:26,920
Yeah.

477
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,920
Yeah, they just got free entry and that's it, you know.

478
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,920
But they were relying on the guys who were customers to buy drinks in the area anyway.

479
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:33,920
Correct.

480
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,920
Nowadays, ladies night is like ladies night, no free drink, I don't want to go.

481
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:43,920
But back then, I think everyone was walking into a club for the main purpose to just have

482
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:44,920
damn good time.

483
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:45,920
Dancing.

484
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:46,920
That's right.

485
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,920
And we were sweating, right?

486
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:48,920
Yeah.

487
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:49,920
I mean, it was an amazing way back when.

488
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:50,920
Then you mentioned, wow, you mentioned so many.

489
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,920
I wanted to pick out that name, Tornado.

490
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:54,920
Tornado.

491
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:55,920
Yeah.

492
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:56,920
Wow.

493
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,920
Tornado was actually part of Backers.

494
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,920
Backers somehow rather bought some shares, if I'm not wrong, into Julianas and Tornado

495
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,920
was one of the first clubs that was under Backers.

496
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,920
It was at the Phoenix Hotel.

497
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,920
So me, I think I was posted there together with the late Andy, DJ.

498
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,920
He passed on a couple of years ago.

499
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,920
So we were the first two there.

500
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:24,920
And that was when, you know, Backers started getting rid of the turntables.

501
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,920
So all Backers clubs had CDs.

502
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,920
Julianas clubs still ran on the vinyl.

503
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:30,920
Right.

504
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,920
So all the clubs that Backers took over had CD players.

505
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,920
So that was a change.

506
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:36,920
The momentum changed.

507
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,920
So when did you actually start actually coming into the club scene?

508
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:40,920
Which was the first club?

509
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:46,920
The first club was I was a relief DJ at My Place at the Malaysia Hotel.

510
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,920
Wow.

511
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,920
I think now it's the Boulevard Hotel right behind Hard Rock Cafe.

512
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,920
It used to be the place where all the SQ girls, you know, who's who, you know, they had a

513
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,920
carpark right in front.

514
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:03,920
Everybody used to drive up with the fancy cars and, you know, nice place called My Place.

515
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:04,920
Where did you start?

516
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:05,920
Which club did you start off?

517
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:12,920
So because he introduced me to the night scene and at about 15, I was like an apprentice at Mamota.

518
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:13,920
Mamota?

519
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,920
Yes.

520
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:15,920
Where is that?

521
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:16,920
That was a Kalang Leisure Room.

522
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:17,920
Kalang Leisure Room.

523
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:18,920
It was the biggest.

524
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:19,920
Biggest.

525
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,920
One of the biggest clubs and they had the biggest boys night out every Sunday.

526
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:24,920
Yes.

527
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:25,920
So Sunday was gay night.

528
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,920
I've got nothing against that.

529
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:27,920
I've got a lot of friends against that.

530
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,920
So Sunday was gay night or Sunday afternoon.

531
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,920
We used to play there.

532
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,920
I used to play with William Armstrong for the gay parties there.

533
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,920
We would lock ourselves into the DJ's console and then there would be like 700 men dancing,

534
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:38,920
throwing oil.

535
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,920
Oh man, shout out to William Armstrong.

536
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,920
Shout out to William Armstrong, man.

537
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,920
Dude, I have not seen that guy except on Facebook.

538
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,920
I have not seen that guy in years.

539
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,920
I think William's running a dance studio now.

540
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:54,920
Right?

541
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:55,920
Yeah, that's right.

542
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:56,920
Specialized in tango.

543
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,920
So if you guys want to go back, way back, give William Armstrong a shout out.

544
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:02,920
Alright?

545
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,920
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546
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547
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548
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549
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550
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551
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552
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553
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554
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556
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557
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558
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Sorry, I left this somewhere.

559
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,920
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560
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,920
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561
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562
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563
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564
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565
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566
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567
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Now back to my question.

568
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,920
You guys started 14 years old, 15 years old, got to the club scene eventually.

569
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,920
We heard about all that.

570
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:13,920
Throughout your life, as DJs, I know you are still doing this.

571
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,920
Have you ever done anything else besides being a DJ?

572
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,920
Oh yes.

573
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:25,920
For me, I kind of left the line when I was about 34.

574
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,920
Why did you leave?

575
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,920
I have kids, so I wanted to make sure that I was there for them.

576
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,920
Growing up days and all.

577
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,920
So I left the line and did my normal work.

578
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,920
I was running Thai Express Group as a general manager.

579
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,920
Oh wow, okay.

580
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,920
I joined Sincere Watch as a manager as well.

581
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,920
And of course, I was in the mobile gaming scene for quite a while, traveling and all.

582
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,920
And I only recently got back to the scene because the same guy sitting next to you.

583
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,920
Come on, come on, come on!

584
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,920
He's quite an influence.

585
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,920
Don't tell his wife.

586
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,920
You are quite an influence, Party Man.

587
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,920
The Party Man speaks, can of girls.

588
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,920
Because he's taking care of Sands Bar in Sentosa, and he says,

589
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,920
Hey, why don't you come and spin? Jam for a while and all.

590
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,920
So of course I'm playing vinyl.

591
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,920
I'll bring my turntables there, hook it up and then play that.

592
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,920
But you were, I know for a fact that, you guys gotta hear this,

593
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:38,920
for those of you old enough to know, we had the hottest, probably the hottest disco Singapore had ever seen.

594
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,920
I'm fucking saying it.

595
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,920
Fire disco.

596
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,920
And this guy was spinning at Fire Disco.

597
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,920
And after that you were spinning in Sparks, right?

598
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:48,920
Yes, after which Sparks, yeah.

599
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,920
I tell you something, young people watching the show, I don't know whether you'll be watching the show,

600
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,920
honestly I don't give a flying fuck,

601
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,920
but if you're watching the show, you guys don't know what you've missed.

602
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,920
Because we had great times way back when Singapore had Fire Disco,

603
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,920
then after that, the owner, Dean Shahul.

604
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,920
He opened up Sparks.

605
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,920
Dr. Dean, still moving around and enjoying his life.

606
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,920
Yeah, I think I've seen him around as a matter of fact, moving around the block.

607
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,920
You know Dean gave me some very good advice once about being a DJ.

608
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,920
I just need to share this with the rest of the DJs out there.

609
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:25,920
He told me once, if you put a track on, if it clears the downflow, throw it away.

610
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,920
Yeah.

611
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,920
So I threw a couple of records away because of him.

612
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,920
It's not working.

613
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,920
So being a DJ is not really all that easy, isn't it?

614
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,920
It seems to me that in these last couple of years perhaps,

615
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,920
especially now after the pandemic,

616
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:49,920
that a lot of club owners or bar owners seem to think that a DJ's job is kind of easy.

617
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,920
Yeah, I think they think that it looks easy.

618
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,920
Okay, so let's tell the people right now that being a club DJ,

619
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,920
don't scoff at these guys because it's not easy in the least.

620
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,920
You got to hold the crowd.

621
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,920
You got to make sure they stay on the dance floor.

622
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,920
Yes, that's right.

623
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,920
So you see... Well, you don't want to keep them on the dance floor all the time.

624
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,920
You want them to go back to the bar and buy drinks also.

625
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,920
But if they get freaking thirsty from dancing, they won't order some more drinks.

626
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,920
Yeah, so you need to have the right balance of...

627
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,920
First of all, maybe you need to break the crowd up into three different groups.

628
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,920
I got the younger group, I got the older group, and I got that.

629
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,920
So if I get the older group dancing, the younger group is at the bar drinking,

630
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,920
then the older group's been dancing for 20 minutes, they're going to get tired.

631
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,920
Let's get the younger crowd back and then chase the older crowd.

632
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:39,920
Well, that's how you do it.

633
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,920
Yeah, so you need to have that balance to keep your dance floor and the bar busy,

634
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,920
not only the dance floor busy.

635
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,920
You got to look beyond, look behind the dance floor at the bars.

636
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:52,920
There's no point.

637
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,920
You have a full dance floor and your bars are empty.

638
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,920
Your boss is not going to like that.

639
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,920
Okay, so the way he said it, the way Party Man just said it,

640
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:07,920
it's like DJs are integral in the revenue generation

641
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,920
of a club business.

642
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,920
Well, to a certain extent, he's correct.

643
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,920
Depending on the club concept, for where I'm spinning out,

644
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,920
I'm a resident with Tin Box Group, we don't have a dance floor.

645
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,920
So people just move their bodies wherever they are.

646
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,920
Our job is to make sure they keep their bodies moving and drinking

647
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:28,920
and having a good time.

648
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,920
So how would you work, because I see, for example,

649
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,920
it's interesting what I just heard Party Man just say,

650
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:39,920
I get the old guys off the dance floor back to get the younger ones back.

651
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,920
So they're shooing the older ones back to getting drinks and stuff.

652
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,920
But in your position, how would you, when people stand,

653
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,920
dance where they stand, how would you get people to generate revenue

654
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,920
for their respective clubs or bar?

655
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,920
I mean, if they're having a good time, they will be drinking and drinking.

656
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,920
I mean, it's just natural.

657
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:08,920
So we naturally play the hits, and we naturally look at the crowd,

658
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,920
the response, facial expressions.

659
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:17,920
And if something's not working out, quickly switch the song, make it happen.

660
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,920
I want to throw the same question back to you,

661
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,920
the one I threw to Kenneth earlier on.

662
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,920
Did you ever leave the scene and do something else?

663
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,920
I did. I actually left, I think, for about six years.

664
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:35,920
I went into the water sports business because I was quite an avid wakeboarder.

665
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,920
So I decided to actually quit the nightlife for a while.

666
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,920
And then me and a couple of friends, we had a wakeboarding business.

667
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,920
It was called Max Out. We were operating from Pongo.

668
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,920
We bought like 10 boats, and we started renting boats and wakeboarding.

669
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,920
So I went into the water sports for about six or seven years.

670
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,920
And then after that, being Singapore, again, you know, restriction here,

671
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,920
cannot do this, cannot do that, cannot wakeboard here, cannot wakeboard there.

672
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,920
You only can wakeboard here.

673
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,920
And they give you such a small area to wakeboard, and then the sport was growing so fast,

674
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,920
and then you have 20 or 30 boats all in that same area.

675
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,920
It was a big headache.

676
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,920
So in the end, I said, OK, enough of this.

677
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,920
I found a small bar and some friends on Sentosa,

678
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,920
and we started setting up a place called Sunset Bay, started partying there.

679
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,920
Oh, wait a second. Sunset Bay is partly owned by you?

680
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,920
No, no, I was working for, I was with Gary and Paul Volandier.

681
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,920
In that time, I think we just got back from Bali.

682
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,920
Me and Tim Tan came back from Bali, and we told the brothers.

683
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,920
The brothers had a canoe business on Sentosa.

684
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,920
I said, why don't we take over the bar over there?

685
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,920
And then we joined, and then, you know.

686
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,920
You remember the foam parties?

687
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:54,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

688
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,920
That's what I was asking.

689
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,920
That was Ash.

690
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,920
Ah, now we know where the damn foam came from.

691
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,920
Yeah, his mouth.

692
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,920
There we go.

693
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,920
Party man Clifford, foaming in the mouth, he's got a foam party.

694
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:17,920
OK, what's the craziest thing, if you guys can tell me?

695
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,920
Has everything happened to you on the gig?

696
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,920
Me?

697
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,920
Yeah, both of you.

698
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,920
I go first.

699
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,920
You go ahead.

700
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:26,920
OK, the craziest thing that happened to me was,

701
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,920
back in the days when I was just out from the army,

702
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,920
I think it was my second or third gig,

703
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,920
those days we used to rent a pickup and put our equipment and all our stuff in,

704
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:36,920
and then go to the party.

705
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,920
So we have that blue Datsun pickup, you remember that one?

706
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,920
That blue Datsun pickup, it went for $18 a gig.

707
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:42,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

708
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,920
So the pickup broke down, and that time I was riding a bike.

709
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,920
So, believe it or not, I had to put the amplifier speaker,

710
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,920
turn tables and everything else on that bike, one person.

711
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,920
I had three speakers in the back, amplifier in the front.

712
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,920
Everything on one bike, and I had to ride to the spot.

713
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,920
While the guys were trying to fix the pickup,

714
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,920
I had to go there first and try to set everything up first because we didn't want...

715
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:05,920
So it was quite crazy.

716
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,920
When I arrived there, they were like, what the...

717
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:09,920
Are you the mobile disco?

718
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,920
I said, yes.

719
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,920
Can you help hold my bike for me?

720
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:16,920
So that was quite funny.

721
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:17,920
The show went on.

722
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,920
The show went on, the show must go on, don't stop the party.

723
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,920
The show must go on.

724
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,920
And then the balance of the speakers came later, about 45 minutes later.

725
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,920
Oh yeah, that was for a mobile party.

726
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,920
Yeah, that was a mobile party.

727
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,920
How about you?

728
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,920
Too many to mention actually.

729
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,920
Pick one.

730
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,920
Then it would be when I had my own company, Katz,

731
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,920
and we had this van Volkswagen Combi back then.

732
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,920
Cool man.

733
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:48,920
Yeah.

734
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:49,920
You still got one today.

735
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:50,920
You just bought one last week.

736
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:51,920
Really?

737
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:52,920
Really? Did you?

738
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,920
Yeah, I just brought one in from Indonesia.

739
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:54,920
You're in the vintage car business.

740
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,920
Yeah, I'm in the vintage car business.

741
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:57,920
Yeah, right man.

742
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,920
So it was after party, and then my driver drove all the equipment home.

743
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,920
We had all the speakers and turntables and all that.

744
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,920
And suddenly my phone rang.

745
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,920
He drove the whole vehicle right into Bukit Timah drainage in the center.

746
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:14,920
What?

747
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,920
Yeah, the whole vehicle just went in.

748
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,920
And it's total loss.

749
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,920
But he survived. He survived.

750
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,920
Okay, he survived. That's important.

751
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:23,920
Poor Combi.

752
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,920
But the van, the Combi van was completely totaled.

753
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,920
Yeah, totaled right. But saved his life.

754
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:30,920
Yeah.

755
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:31,920
So a solid vehicle.

756
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,920
And the equipment all survived.

757
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,920
So tell me about your new Combi van, man.

758
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,920
Well...

759
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,920
It's from Brazil.

760
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,920
Brazil.

761
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,920
And you're going to soup it up?

762
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,920
In a little while.

763
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,920
I'm trying my best to make it into the bank bus.

764
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,920
Yeah.

765
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,920
I'm trying to instigate, instigate, instigate.

766
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:51,920
You're lucky it's a podcast.

767
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:57,920
Instigate, railroad roof, waterbed, disco ball, song system.

768
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,920
And should that happen, we expect to be invited for that.

769
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:02,920
Oh yes, of course.

770
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Okay.

771
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,920
And we will drive into a booktube around.

772
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,920
No, no, no. Let's avoid that one.

773
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,920
How has club culture evolved?

774
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,920
You guys have been around, you've been around a block, man.

775
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,920
Club culture has evolved. I tell you, very easy to...

776
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,920
It's very weird.

777
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:24,920
A long time ago, people on the dance floor would dance with each other.

778
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,920
Facing and talking to each other.

779
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,920
Now, the new generation, they all dance and they stare at the DJ.

780
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:31,920
What?

781
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

782
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,920
And I'm like, can you all stop looking at me?

783
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,920
And dance, communicate, enjoy yourself and put your handphone down.

784
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:44,920
Actually, actually, if we look at pictures today, anywhere in the world,

785
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,920
it's like the lights of David Guetta and all that.

786
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,920
And you look at the audience, they're always facing DJs.

787
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:51,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

788
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,920
It's freaking weird, right?

789
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,920
And the handphone's like...

790
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:55,920
And they'll take the handphones out.

791
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,920
Oh, for fuck's sake.

792
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:58,920
Oh, man.

793
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:05,920
So it has evolved. There are different kinds of clubs now.

794
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,920
You have the festival club where you get big name DJs

795
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,920
and then all the audience wants to do is look at the DJ

796
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,920
and put the handphone up and go, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, you know?

797
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,920
And then you have some smaller clubs.

798
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,920
I don't call them clubs anymore. I call them dance bars.

799
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:22,920
Dance bars, yeah.

800
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,920
So the dance bars usually have a smaller dance floor.

801
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,920
And the people at these dance bars still listen to the music,

802
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,920
but they don't really have the visual.

803
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,920
Because at festivals, you have a very big light show.

804
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,920
Without the light show, the DJ is going to look really bad, right?

805
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,920
So the light show nowadays plays a very important part, the visual.

806
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,920
But in the dance bars, it's more cozy, compact,

807
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,920
and I believe that a lot of...

808
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,920
You know, there's more interaction between customers.

809
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,920
People go there to mingle, to meet, you know, boy-mate-girl,

810
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,920
girl-meet-boy, boy-and-man, and then...

811
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:58,920
That hasn't changed, huh?

812
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,920
Yeah, that's what I like about it.

813
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,920
I don't like the festival feel where you go there

814
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:03,920
and you look at the DJ,

815
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,920
and then you don't even look left and right.

816
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,920
You're just looking up.

817
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,920
And the music is the same for two hours.

818
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,920
Yeah.

819
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,920
The beats, the drop.

820
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:15,920
Yeah, it sounds the same.

821
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:16,920
And then the blackout.

822
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:25,920
One, two, three, four, then the lights come on, and then you do that for two hours.

823
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:26,920
That's why I don't really like to go to festivals.

824
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,920
It's not that I don't want to.

825
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:29,920
Once in a while, once in a while.

826
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:30,920
It's a bit monotonous.

827
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,920
Yeah, once in a while.

828
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,920
It's a bit monotonous having that kind of stuff.

829
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,920
It's the same damn beat all the time.

830
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:36,920
How about you?

831
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,920
How do you think the club scene has evolved?

832
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,920
I think what Clifford mentioned is correct.

833
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,920
And also, smaller clubs are coming up.

834
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,920
Clubs that does a little bit of Thai concepts and all this kind of stuff now.

835
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,920
Little small bars.

836
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:53,920
Dance bars.

837
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:54,920
Dance bars, you're right.

838
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:55,920
It used to be clubs.

839
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:56,920
They used to be bars.

840
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,920
Clubs, maybe you define 250 people or more.

841
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:04,920
Now you have, now it's more of an early hour, happy hour thing.

842
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,920
I believe that the crowd likes to come out early.

843
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,920
They come out seven to eight.

844
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,920
You know, especially the older crowd, the 35, where the money is,

845
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,920
35 to 55, they come out about eight o'clock.

846
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:17,920
12 o'clock, they all want to go home.

847
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,920
Yeah, they want to go home.

848
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:19,920
Huh?

849
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,920
Yeah, probably.

850
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,920
Yeah, we just have four hours, one, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.

851
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,920
That's morning and I'm okay.

852
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:24,920
I had it by.

853
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:25,920
See you tomorrow.

854
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:26,920
I survived.

855
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:27,920
Tomorrow, I wake up, I'm still alive.

856
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:28,920
Yeah, yeah.

857
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:29,920
Oh, gosh.

858
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,920
So, which means guys like you now, what, spin up to 12?

859
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:34,920
Yeah.

860
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:35,920
That's it?

861
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:36,920
Kind of like 12, yeah.

862
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:37,920
That's it?

863
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:38,920
We start early, we go home early.

864
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:39,920
Yeah.

865
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,920
I mean, good for you, but that's just no fun in going out for a weekend, right?

866
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,920
Oh, weekend, I mean, sometimes if you are still alive at 12, 13, we call the party bus,

867
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,920
the bus picks us up and we go out on the three, four, five, and then...

868
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:52,920
Yeah, we go to clubs.

869
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,920
That opens right up to six.

870
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,920
Yeah, we go out to six, you know, but then after that you lose the next day,

871
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,920
in fact, you lose the next two or three days.

872
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:00,920
The recovering.

873
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,920
Yeah, the recovery period for us is now two or three days.

874
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,920
It used to be like a few hours now, it's all, it take you two days.

875
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,920
But how's the music these days?

876
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,920
I mean, you guys, as I've been saying from the get-go,

877
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,920
you guys have been around the block a lot of times, right?

878
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:24,920
Music today, you play in clubs, and versus through the years that you've been watching

879
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,920
and playing, music has evolved.

880
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,920
I think for Clifford, he's diversified.

881
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:31,920
Yeah.

882
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,920
For me, I'm more known as a retro specialist, 80s, 90s music.

883
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,920
Right.

884
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,920
Yeah, so where I'm working right now, that suits me because we play vinyls only.

885
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:43,920
Right.

886
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,920
And basically playing 80s and 90s music.

887
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:46,920
Yeah, sure, but you specialize in that.

888
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,920
Which one do you personally prefer?

889
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,920
80s and 90s music.

890
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:56,920
So basically when you were clubbing, or you were wrong, when you were spinning in clubs,

891
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,920
as compared to today, you find no difference because you're still playing the same thing.

892
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:01,920
Yes, that's right.

893
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,920
Right, okay.

894
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:03,920
How about you?

895
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,920
Party Man, if you can tell me, all the music you've played through the years,

896
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,920
from your mixtapes to the genres, to the 80s and 90s, to the 2000s, and then now today,

897
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,920
and you're still spinning at the sandbar, and you still have young people coming up,

898
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,920
and you kept yourself updated, we all know that.

899
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:29,920
Of all these periods of music in the club scene, which period do you prefer the most?

900
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:30,920
Of course the early 80s.

901
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:36,920
I'm actually a very big Bob Marley fan.

902
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,920
Legalize it.

903
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,920
I'm a very big Bob Marley fan.

904
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,920
Bob Marley, yeah.

905
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,920
You know, Bobby's been one of my main influences in music,

906
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,920
especially when I used to play overseas in Bali and Kosomuy, right?

907
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,920
So I'm a Rasta boy, right?

908
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:04,920
But then again, I don't have any objection to any kind of music because I believe that music is music,

909
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,920
and I play to please the crowd.

910
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,920
That means whatever you want, I play.

911
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,920
I never say I do not accept a request.

912
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,920
If you have something, you come and see me.

913
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,920
If I have it, I'll play it.

914
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,920
So I'm open to all kinds of music.

915
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:28,920
I mean, from disco, I mean, even from rock and roll to disco to funk to techno to house to EDM,

916
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:34,920
and now hardstyle as well, and mania.

917
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:35,920
What's mania?

918
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,920
Just like Chinese music with...

919
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:39,920
Techno beats.

920
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,920
Euro, Euro, techno.

921
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:42,920
It's very hard to describe.

922
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,920
But anyway, yeah, no choice.

923
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,920
Because if you want to be in the business, you must always remember,

924
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,920
there are many kinds of DJs, you know, house DJ, this DJ, that DJ.

925
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:58,920
If you want to go down one road, it's going to be harder for you to get a gig.

926
00:42:58,920 --> 00:42:59,920
So you've got to be versatile.

927
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:00,920
You get more gigs.

928
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,920
Thank God I am not a DJ.

929
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,920
Anyway, we talked about music, right?

930
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,920
Let's talk about the kind of clubbers.

931
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,920
I know we talked about how different club scene is involved, how things there compared to before.

932
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,920
Let's talk about the average clubber.

933
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:21,920
From the clubbers you've experienced when some of them are older today, right?

934
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,920
Some of them you're still having today as well as the current bunch of clubbers you have,

935
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,920
and the people from before, from yesterday.

936
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,920
Of the years that go by, and please speak the truth and shame the devil, okay?

937
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,920
Which type of clubber do you prefer?

938
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,920
The ones way back when or the ones today?

939
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:49,920
I would actually take it back to maybe about eight years ago.

940
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,920
Not even eight years.

941
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,920
Sorry, when was Muhammad Sultan?

942
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,920
That was a long time ago.

943
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:56,920
That was when?

944
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,920
Yeah, yeah.

945
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:58,920
That was when?

946
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,920
In the 2000s.

947
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,920
I actually like the Muhammad Sultan days.

948
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:03,920
Really?

949
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,920
Yeah, because we had Muhammad Sultan.

950
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,920
I mean we had...

951
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:08,920
Long sons.

952
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:09,920
Long sons.

953
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:10,920
We had...

954
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,920
Tham Saran, Tacher, Wang San, Orange...

955
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:15,920
That whole stretch.

956
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,920
Yeah, and then across the road you've got Eastside, Seng Super Cloud, Ami Bar,

957
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,920
and then down the road you had Double O, and then it goes on, right?

958
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:27,920
And that was really cool because you could spend the whole night in Muhammad Sultan,

959
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,920
and you could bar hop.

960
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,920
You could bar hop, you know, you go here, have one drink,

961
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:37,920
enjoy a bit of music with the army boys, and then, you know, in Tham Saran,

962
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,920
and then you skip over to Knox, you get to hang out with the cool people, house music.

963
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,920
Then you go to Wang San, you hang out with the older, and then you move down the road,

964
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,920
and then after that you move back to the top.

965
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:56,920
So it was one of the best nightlife scenes in Singapore that I actually would like to bring back.

966
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,920
Right.

967
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:58,920
You know?

968
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,920
A one-stop entertainment outlet.

969
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,920
So do you think that could happen again?

970
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:03,920
No.

971
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,920
Why do you say that?

972
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:14,920
Because of location and also because of a lot of restrictions that nowadays, you know, the landlords.

973
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:15,920
Right.

974
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:16,920
Right?

975
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,920
The landlords are the most...

976
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:19,920
Pain in the asses.

977
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:20,920
Correct.

978
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:21,920
That's...

979
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:22,920
Right.

980
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,920
The words are, I'm not, pain in the ass.

981
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:25,920
Really.

982
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,920
You know, they see you making money, right?

983
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:28,920
And they up their rent.

984
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,920
And then they go, okay, you know what, you have to sign another next six months,

985
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:33,920
and then this is a new...

986
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,920
And then you look, it's times nine what the original rental is,

987
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,920
and then you know, then you work so hard and see...

988
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:41,920
And you earn...

989
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,920
Yeah.

990
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:43,920
So your revenue...

991
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:44,920
Yeah, it kills.

992
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:45,920
Revenue is very acute, but it kills your profit.

993
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:46,920
Yeah.

994
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:47,920
It kills.

995
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,920
Yeah, and I've always said, man, the problem with this, with any place, anywhere, not just in Singapore, right,

996
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,920
it's not about the supply chain disruption, blah, blah, blah.

997
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,920
It's the fucking landlords, man.

998
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,920
I believe in every kind of business, like, it's the same.

999
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,920
Yeah.

1000
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:00,920
Yeah.

1001
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,920
And we're all feeling it and reeling it and suffering right now.

1002
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,920
Yeah, yeah, I can understand that.

1003
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:06,920
How about you?

1004
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,920
Which generation would you prefer in terms of the average clubber, man?

1005
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,920
I think, if you ask me, it's quite close to the Muhammad Sultan days,

1006
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,920
but when I was in fire and sparks, sparks would be around that period.

1007
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:20,920
Yeah.

1008
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,920
I think sparks was kind of a little bit before that, right?

1009
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:25,920
Just a little bit, yeah.

1010
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,920
Yeah.

1011
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,920
We could play music and the people would accept it,

1012
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:36,920
and we call it education, where we play the music and the people would still dance to it.

1013
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,920
Yeah.

1014
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,920
Today, you need to just give them the hits.

1015
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:41,920
Yeah.

1016
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:42,920
Yeah.

1017
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,920
If you don't give them the hits and you try and bring something that's just average,

1018
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,920
they'll just look at you, you know, because they like to look at the DJs, right?

1019
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,920
Yeah, interesting what you just said.

1020
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:58,920
It's like before, if you remember, we would listen to a new hit, or maybe it's not even a hit yet.

1021
00:46:58,920 --> 00:46:59,920
Yes.

1022
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,920
And we listen to it on air, on radio, right?

1023
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,920
And we go, you know, that sounds pretty good, huh?

1024
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:04,920
Yeah.

1025
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,920
Or if you go to a club and you've got a good DJ behind the decks,

1026
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,920
and he plays something, hey, check this one out, this sounds really good, you know?

1027
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:11,920
Yeah.

1028
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,920
And no one has heard it before.

1029
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,920
And guys like you play it.

1030
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:16,920
Yeah.

1031
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,920
And we in the audience, or we as the customers, we're there, we're there to have a good time,

1032
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,920
and go, hey, that sounds pretty good, that's a damn cool beat, right?

1033
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,920
And we learn to like it.

1034
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:27,920
Yes, that's right.

1035
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:28,920
Right?

1036
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,920
But today, as you said, what?

1037
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:36,920
They ask for just play me the song, or just play these bunch of hits that everyone has heard about.

1038
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:37,920
Yeah.

1039
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,920
And we'll be happy.

1040
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:39,920
Right.

1041
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,920
So you prefer back then, back to the Sparks days.

1042
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:42,920
Yes, that's right.

1043
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:43,920
Right.

1044
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:44,920
Clubbers from the Sparks scene back then.

1045
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:45,920
Yes, back then.

1046
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:46,920
Right.

1047
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:47,920
Wow.

1048
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:48,920
Wow.

1049
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,920
Well, you know, we've been chatting actually for an hour already, guys.

1050
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:52,920
Really?

1051
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:53,920
Yeah.

1052
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:54,920
One hour?

1053
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:55,920
It's been an hour, man.

1054
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:56,920
Oh, crap.

1055
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:57,920
Yeah, it's been an hour.

1056
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,920
See how time flies when we have that is, and we're having fun.

1057
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:02,920
I've had fun, guys.

1058
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,920
Thank you so very much for being on CHC.

1059
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,920
It's really nice having you guys here.

1060
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,920
Once again, people, for those of you watching the Chris Hansen conversation, I've got with

1061
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,920
me Kenneth Mark, and I've got with me the party man Cliff Chua.

1062
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,920
I can tell you something, man, these guys, they still rockin' the land.

1063
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,920
Tin box?

1064
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,920
Which nights?

1065
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:28,920
Depends on the rostering, because now we have two tin boxes, Simply Retro at Chimes, and

1066
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:29,920
also Clark Key.

1067
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,920
So like for Friday, we are opening up Clark Key.

1068
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:34,920
Right.

1069
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:35,920
Yeah, grand opening, and I'll be there.

1070
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:36,920
Wow.

1071
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:37,920
Wow, wow.

1072
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,920
Okay, so catch Kenneth Mark on Friday nights at the new tin box in Clark Key, and opening

1073
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,920
real soon, so watch out for that.

1074
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,920
But we've got the party man, and you know, I've always, I tell you something, man, I get

1075
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:53,920
so freaking envious, because when I check out this man's Facebook every freaking weekend,

1076
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,920
and he's always surrounded by the ladies.

1077
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:57,920
Yeah.

1078
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,920
I don't know how the fuck you do it, man, but you can always, there is no way you will

1079
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:08,920
see Clifford in a picture without gorgeous babes around him.

1080
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:09,920
It hasn't changed.

1081
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:10,920
Yeah.

1082
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:11,920
It's been like that since he started off.

1083
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:12,920
Like what the fuck?

1084
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:13,920
It's different.

1085
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,920
Like dude, you're a chick magnet, man.

1086
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,920
Nowadays, being a DJ, SM social media is very, very, very important.

1087
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,920
We forgot to talk about that.

1088
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:24,920
Yeah, sure.

1089
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,920
DJing and social media.

1090
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:27,920
Okay.

1091
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,920
You have, if you still want to be in the scene, you need to up your game on social media.

1092
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:39,920
That means you need to have your Facebook for 35 to 55, you need to have your TikTok

1093
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,920
for 25 to 45.

1094
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:47,920
I'm sorry, you need to have your Instagram, your IG from 25, and then you need your TikTok

1095
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,920
from for 18 to 28.

1096
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,920
So you need to have all three.

1097
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,920
Yeah, but that's still not the point.

1098
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,920
The point is how the hell do you get-

1099
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:56,920
You're going to get me into trouble.

1100
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,920
My wife is going to listen to this.

1101
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,920
Yeah, but how do you always get, I need to know, man.

1102
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,920
How do you always have all these babes surrounding you?

1103
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:05,920
What do you do?

1104
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,920
Well, not only girls, the guys are also with me, so you know, throughout the years.

1105
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:11,920
Throughout the years.

1106
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:12,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1107
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:13,920
Tai Chi, man.

1108
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:14,920
Tai Chi, that shit.

1109
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,920
Okay, after we say cut, I'm going to ask you, you're going to give me the answer, okay?

1110
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,920
Because I just can't stand this anymore.

1111
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,920
The guys only play poker with him, that's all.

1112
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,920
I always see babes and bikinis surrounding this man, and he's so great.

1113
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:30,920
He's like, what the fuck?

1114
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:31,920
What does he do?

1115
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,920
How does he get that?

1116
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,920
But anyway, good for you, man, good for you.

1117
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,920
Party man Clifford spins at a sandbar in Sentosa practically every night.

1118
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:43,920
Every Saturday.

1119
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,920
Here we go, okay, every Saturday.

1120
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,920
Okay, so if you want great music, you would have a great freaking time, head down to the

1121
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:51,920
sandbar and look for this guy.

1122
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:52,920
You know why?

1123
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,920
Because he always has the babes around him, so make sure you're there.

1124
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,920
Anyway, it's been nice having you guys on my show again, and I hope to see you next

1125
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:02,920
time.

1126
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:09,920
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1127
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:10,920
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1128
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:17,920
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1129
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,920
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1130
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:21,920
This is Chris Hansen.

1131
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:22,920
I'll see you next time.

1132
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:23,920
Bye everyone.

1133
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:39,920
Cheers.