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Welcome to CCB TV, the Podcast Factory.

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Before I begin the first episode of CHC, the Chris Hansen Conversation, allow me a minute

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to thank the following people for making our podcast as possible.

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My wife and son for their undying love and belief in whatever I do.

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Joel Rodriguez for the super valuable iMac.

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Ben and John for entrusting your show to me.

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Leroy and Mel for contributing to repairs and hyzer headphones.

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Aaron and Pearl for contributing one of my Shure MV7 microphones.

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Clarence Edward for donating the all-important acoustic tiles.

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Jason Shahoo for his selfless advice on all things that's audio engineering.

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Kristen Leena for the telescopic tripod or else I'll have no centric amp.

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And now, here's CHC's first episode.

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I hope you like it and if you do, you know what to do.

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Tim wants to be a butcher but I've got a better suggestion.

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What is that?

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SPH radio.

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Move him to the morning.

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No, don't do that.

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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

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Move him to the morning and call him instead of bro on the go, call him the butcher.

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So that class 95, there are two animals there, right?

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Oh hey, don't.

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Right, here we go, here we go, here we go.

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Hi everyone, it is so damn good to be back.

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This is my brand new show.

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It's called the Chris Hansen conversation and after a year and a half, oh Lord, and

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all this work, the show is finally on the road.

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And before we begin and to introduce my guest for tonight, now you know it's nighttime.

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I need to tell you this.

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We've got probably the crispiest, the fluffiest vades in the land on display in my studio

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and kindly sponsored by Gordon's Vades.

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Take a look, see, take a look, see, you can see the EDM right now, right on the screen.

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Now let me tell you something, you're going to be missing out on a lot if you don't go

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after these vades.

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Thank you so much Gordon's Vades and now back to the show.

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We know who this guy is.

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He has a show called The One Way Home, but today he couldn't get home.

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I accosted him, dragged him at the damn ankles, brought him right here into CCB TV studio

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and you know him as the bro on the go and he is Tim O!

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Oh wow, what an introduction.

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Thank you very much for that Chris.

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I can make sure I put in a fanfare for you, you know, in post.

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Yes, and the best thing about that intro is that you are using your voice of God.

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You know Chris has this beautiful, what we in radio refer to as the voice of God.

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He's got that deep baritone, that resonance when he talks.

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Wow.

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And it makes all the difference.

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These are the voices that they always use for voiceovers, for you know, TV commercials,

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for like the movie trailers and things like that.

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So it always makes a huge difference when you've got someone with that kind of voice

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actually introducing you.

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You know something, you only can see the hair under the hat right now.

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But thanks so very much man, it's really kind of you.

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That's actually one of the reasons.

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I mean earlier on, just before we started, we were talking about why I'm not actually

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using my cans, the headphones.

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One reason of course is because I just got off radio and I just spent the last four hours

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with headphones in my ear, so I didn't really want to wear them.

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And another reason is because I knew right, if Chris talking into the microphone, I would

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be too distracted by his voice.

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Right?

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Because he's got one of those voices right, where if he talks, ladies careful, if he whispers

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in your ear, you'll get pregnant.

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Wow.

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The mere sound of his voice.

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Pregnant, huh?

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Yeah, they call that an eargasm.

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Oh eargasm.

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I didn't know these things could travel like osmosis right into the ears and then after

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that goes on somewhere else and someone gets impregnated.

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Clearly you've given this some thought.

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You have given this some thought, Chris.

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No, as a matter of fact, my mind rolls that way when people, you know, when people throw

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things like that at me, you know, my mind rolls that way somehow.

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I've got a dirty mind.

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But yes, thank you for, VJ the DJ.

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VJ the DJ man.

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VJ the DJ, he runs or he owns Gordon's Vade.

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Oh well, he's one of the franchisees.

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One of the franchisees for Gordon's Vade.

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Thank you VJ for the wonderful Vades.

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And the next time, the next time we should ask him to come here and play some free music

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and also I have some accompaniment live when I have my guest on the show.

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Do a dance program for 1FM, the station I'm at, right?

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Like that kind, yeah.

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Well, I don't think he's on anymore though.

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No, no, he's not.

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But he can come and do on this show.

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Yeah, I would.

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VJ, if more than just the Vades, we'd like VJ the DJ and the Vades here the next time

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Seven minutes, right, you know, during this particular, this particular show, we can stop

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for like a seven second dance break.

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I want to ask you something, man.

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First of all, thank you for being on the show.

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Thank you for having me.

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In your own words, who is Timo?

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In my own words, who is Timo?

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I have spent 44 years answering that question, trying to answer that question at least.

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He's just a guy, dude.

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Really?

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He's just a regular guy who never wants to grow up.

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I am, I've got that Peter Pan syndrome.

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I'm that kid, didn't want to grow up, teenager, still didn't want to grow up, adulthood, still

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didn't want to grow up, became father, still didn't want to grow up.

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I think, you know, that is probably my wife's biggest gripe is that now she's got to deal

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with two kids, right, and sometimes she forgets which one is more mature.

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Well, you know, I think it's great for your boy or girl, boy, right?

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So he's five.

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So for her to even question which one is more mature, that says something about me.

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I think your son's probably having a great time, don't you think, if he's a dad that

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wants to just keep going on young as the years go by.

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It'd be great for him.

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I think maybe now, but at some point I think he's probably going to outgrow me, or rather

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out mature me.

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He'll be a teenager and he'll be like, my dad is so immature.

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I'll be that dad that he's embarrassed to bring his friends home to me.

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Holy shit balls, that's what my son sometimes think of me, I think.

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I mean, to be honest, back to your question about who is Tim Oh, I think I spent such

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a long time of my life, you know, with my career and the personality, my work just blending

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so much into my personal life.

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For a long time, I couldn't draw a difference between the two.

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Because I mean, when you are in radio, and I guess specifically radio, I don't like to

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use the word radio personality, but the fact of the matter is a lot of what you project

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out over the airwaves, that character, a lot of it is going to be based on who you are.

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Because that's the easiest thing to do.

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Okay, but by you saying then, that's you, that's great, respect, respect.

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But how about the others?

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Do they portray who they are?

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The persona on air and the persona face, you know, as they are.

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I think most people do.

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Because it takes a lot of, I think, you would have to be a really, really good actor to

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be able to just be completely different once you switch off the mic and who you are when

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the mic is on.

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But what would the broadcaster, any broadcaster for that matter, and they know these guys

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work for them.

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And wouldn't they tell them, look, listen man, you, we have earmarked you to be the

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person for the next two, three years.

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Does that happen in the first place before I go on?

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I think sometimes, well, sometimes the powers that be, when they bring somebody in, yeah,

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they have ideas, you know, they have hopes, they've got dreams, they've got ambitions,

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you know, for the person that they brought in.

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But I mean, at the end of the day, you don't really know until the person starts, you know,

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you may have an idea, oh, this person, he's going to take off with the public, right,

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because he's suave, he's dashing, and all this is going to carry on on air.

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But this guy, you know, may not necessarily like, you know, being pigeonholed into that

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particular facet.

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Would he be made to pigeonhole himself into that particular mold that they want him to

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be?

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So you're asking about how much control, say the bosses have.

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Okay, so I don't think, I don't, at least in my experience, I've never really been told,

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oh, you must be like this, you must be like that.

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For me, it's always been the opposite.

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You can't do this or you can't do that.

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And for a long time, it was, yeah, but you know, there's more to me than just these three

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facets, right?

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But they're like, oh, maybe, you know, it doesn't quite suit the station image.

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It doesn't suit the demographic that we're targeting.

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So supposing, you know, Chris, you've got five different characteristics, okay, that

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you're very comfortable.

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That's schizophrenia, man.

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Yeah, they might say, okay, well, out of the five that you have, let's just go with the

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three because the other two might clash with what we're talking about.

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Are you kidding me?

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You mean, do they really do that?

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We've got five personalities and we can only deal with two at the most.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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They won't say that straight out to you.

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For instance, okay, I give you another example.

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When I came on board, when I started radio at a station a long time ago, I don't really

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want to say which one, but you know, I have always been very corny.

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You know, my type of humor, you know, I'm corny, I'm lame, that's me.

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You know, I mean, I will, you know, at the same time, I can also be very sentimental,

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you know, even in my music taste, but I've also got a rocky, edgy side as well.

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There are very few people in life who are just very one dimensional, right?

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But you can also understand that when you're trying to portray somebody on air, you know,

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or you're trying to push a particular personality, you want to go with simple, right?

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You want to go with, okay, this person is this, this person is this, this person is

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this.

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And you want to make the fact that maybe, actually, you know, people are made out of

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many different facets.

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I can be this, but at the same time, I can also be this, you know.

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And I guess for simplicity, they would rather you just stick to a bunch of core facets,

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you know, and then sell you based on that.

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Yes.

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So basically, when you select someone to be a radio personality, they have in mind certain,

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you keep using that term, facets, certain facets.

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Or characteristics.

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Okay, fine characteristics, right?

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And how it exudes out of their personality types, right?

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And they have a particular set of these types in mind already.

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I think they obviously see it in you first, when they talk to you, before they even feel

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that you're a good person.

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Sure, but if someone's brimming with personality, right?

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I mean, it's very hard to dissect someone with great personality.

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That guy's great, he's going to be great on air, for example.

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And expect that person also to be compliant to things that the bosses want.

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Isn't it?

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So it's very hard to have both these characteristics come together.

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I think, yes, to answer your question, it is very difficult.

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But at the end of the day, it's all moot if the audience doesn't like you.

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Because this particular person may have been hired because they spoke well, they had a

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great voice, they seemed really charming when they spoke to the bosses.

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But the audience just can't stand the guy.

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So on paper, this person has everything, everything you would want, not just in a DJ, but in a

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DJ in this particular radio station.

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So maybe for some reason, I mean, the audience just didn't take to the person.

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Or perhaps these characteristics that you see when you talk to someone and go, oh, Chris,

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when I talk to Chris face to face, he's brilliant.

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You know, he's great.

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He's funny, he makes jokes.

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But then I put him behind the microphone.

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To show my bomb.

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Exactly.

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My show my bomb.

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Okay.

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I'm not kidding.

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I'm just using an example.

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I know, I know.

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And now when I'm, I've been tasked with training newbies, right?

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I think you've also recognized, you've seen the media in a really long time.

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This current crop, there is a current crop of radio DJs who have just been doing this

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for so long.

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You know, so long.

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And you're wondering where is the next generation?

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Yes.

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Tell me.

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I think it's also a case of, it's not just because we're hanging on, you know, and we

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don't want to leave.

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We love this so much.

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I mean, that's obviously one, one aspect of it, but I think it is also hard to find someone,

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the next generation, for two reasons.

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One, maybe you, you, you, you find somebody who you think has all the, has all the skills,

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right?

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That's the first reason.

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Okay.

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And then when you bring them on air, they realize, okay, whatever we thought about this

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person just isn't translating over the microphone.

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This person can talk great face to face, but the moment you take somebody away and, and

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I'll go back to how I mentioned earlier on that I was training some people, right?

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And when I, when I speak to them face to face, they're, they're wonderful, you know, but

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then I go, okay, I'm going to switch on the mic right now, deliver a talk set.

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Cannot.

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Because these people need to see someone.

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There are very few people who can just close their eyes, envision somebody they're talking

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to and then, you know, speak as if they are talking and having a conversation.

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Yeah, I get that.

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The moment they cannot see the person and they cannot read reactions, they cannot follow

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up.

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Right.

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Right.

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And essentially that's what a radio talk set is.

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It's having a conversation with someone, even if you don't physically hear them talking

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back.

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Well, then I dare say that, you know, radio is going to have a real hard time now.

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You know why?

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Even harder.

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Why is that?

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Because you can't hear them well.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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And, um, I have, I have regular students.

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As a matter of fact, every week I'm teaching classes and over the past seven, eight years,

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um, someone we know well enough, someone that I worked closely with, uh, in this arena of

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teaching and training new MCs and new voice, uh, talents.

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And it's become more and more prevalent.

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Now we're going to have a lot of people who are great, as you mentioned, um, face to face.

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And that's already something fantastic, something incredible in this day and age.

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The moment you get them behind a mic, that's it.

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Dead fish.

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Really.

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And I've encountered that time and time again.

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And you guys are going to have an even harder challenge.

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Don't you think?

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No, absolutely.

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And that's obviously one, one, one part of it.

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The second part of it is I think a lot of people have these preconceived notions.

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What coming into broadcasting is like, what being in radio is like.

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And then they come in and they realize, Hmm, this takes a lot of commitment.

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This takes a lot of sacrifice.

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The biggest, this is, uh, age or, uh, preconception, right?

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Where people are misconception.

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People think, Oh, that radio DJs, because your show is only four hours that you only

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work four hours.

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It's true.

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They're like, wow, Tim, you've got a great gig.

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You're only four hours a day, but they don't realize that it's not just, I show up and

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I switch on the microphone and off the top of my head, I've got so much material.

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I mean, I'm sure there are some people who are geniuses who can do that.

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I am not one of them.

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Okay.

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Everything that I say, there has to be a fair amount of thought or research.

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Um, and once again, I will say there are some people who can do that.

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There are some people who try to do that and fail miserably, but for the most of us who

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take our profession seriously, we do put a lot of prep into our show, right?

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Whether or not it's just doing research, whether it's doing production, there is a lot of work

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that goes into, into putting together your radio show.

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And sometimes people, they come in and they're like, Oh, I see somebody just wishes on microphone

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and talks.

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They do that.

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And they see the amount of work that goes into it.

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They see the amount of sacrifice that goes into it.

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Then they're like, yeah, okay.

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Maybe, maybe it's not, it's not, it's not for me.

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Because radio, much like a lot of other things, when you, when you start like a hobby, like

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a passion, it takes time to grow in it.

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And if you're one of those who is into something, instant validation, instant gratification,

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you come in and you're like, you think immediately I'm going to get all the perks.

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I'm going to be a star.

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I'm going to make millions of dollars.

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Then you know, you're going to be sorely disappointed.

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Yes.

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How many hours of prep and average do you put in before the next shift?

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Curious.

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Okay.

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So I made a big mistake a couple of years ago, actually just before I joined SPH.

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I decided I was going to have my own setup at home.

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Oh, sounds familiar.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So I got professional microphones, I got a proper digital audio workstation.

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You know, I acoustically treated my, one of the rooms in my house.

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Wow.

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Sounds so familiar.

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Yeah.

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So that I could actually record my show.

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And the reason why I say this is a mistake, Chris, is that when you are able to, to record

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stuff, you never switch off.

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You never switch off.

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I could be in bed.

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I could be watching TV.

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I could be watching Netflix and suddenly, Oh, that's really funny.

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Yeah, I bet that I could use it, turn this into a talk set.

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You know what?

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Let's turn this into a talk set.

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And then 3am in the morning, I get up and walk over and I start recording and I wake

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my wife up, you know?

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So unfortunately, because of that, it's very hard.

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It's hard to just switch off.

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You know what I mean?

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But you love it, don't you?

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I do.

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But I also, as I've gotten older and I've got other responsibilities and all that, I

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want to be able to have time with my wife.

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I want to have time with my son.

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I want to be able to just switch off when I get home, do other things because you need

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to rest your mind as well.

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I'm not 22 anymore.

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Okay, let me get this right.

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Let me, let me try to understand this.

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You got all that setup at home done and still working as a redo DJ?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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That's, that's, that's mad.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I get that.

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So the funny thing is, um, I also told myself, I've always been the kind of DJ that likes

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to prep a lot in advance, okay?

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I always feel that the, the more bored I am when I'm in the studio, the better job I've

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done preparing for my show.

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You get what I mean?

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Yes, I do.

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Because everything has already been settled.

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There is no unpredictability.

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You know, I'm not going to get caught off guard.

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I'm not going to run the risk of, oh, that talk set didn't come out the way I wanted

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to.

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And you know what I mean?

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There are pros and cons.

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Sometimes there is, there is magic and unpredictability and stuff that is unforeseen.

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Uh, but you know, I've also, as I get older and I feel I'm not quite as quick as I, as

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I used to be, I like to be certain of what everything is going to sound like when it

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actually goes out on air.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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So I, there, there will be times I might ramble and I might go off on a tangent, but more

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often than not, I know exactly what I'm going to be talking about when I'm going to be talking

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about it to some degree, how exactly it's going to sound in every single talk set over

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the next four hours before I even step into the radio studio.

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And there's nothing wrong with all that, man.

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All you said was sweet.

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That's stuff that I would, you know, man, you know, I respect people who come in to

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a show fully fucking cocked.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Fully fucking cocked.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Fully pumped and prepped and ready and good to go.

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Right.

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And that's the way it's supposed to be.

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What's wrong with that?

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You make it sound as if it's wrong.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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I think there should be a certain amount of prep.

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Yeah.

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But I think there should also be limits because if you don't put limits on how much time you're

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going to be spending on anything, then something else is going to sacrifice.

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But it's being professional, isn't it?

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I mean, absolutely.

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Yes.

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But being professional is okay.

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So once again, when I was 22 and work was my entire life, I got that, you know, I was

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like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's work first, it's work first.

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I'd never switch off.

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Right.

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I'm not 22 anymore, Chris.

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I'm 44.

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Right?

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Still young, bro.

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I'm 44.

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Yes, radio is still a big part of my life.

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Holy shit balls, bro.

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Let me tell you something.

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Let me wind the clock back to 44.

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I would give anything to go back to 44.

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Do you know how old I am?

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23.

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Oh yeah.

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First he tells me about the voice of God, then he tells me about my age.

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But the more I'm trying to make it.

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You just got to love this guy, don't you think?

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The point I'm trying to make is that, yeah, I do wish sometimes that I would, I could

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switch off.

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Yeah, I get that.

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I would be able to just leave work at home and come back.

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And if not to spend time with my wife, to spend time with my son, to also just work

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on other passions as well.

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I mean, on my podcast, I got a podcast as well, which I have just neglected for months.

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You're talking about the Hantu show.

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Yes, yes.

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Radio Paranormal is a good podcast.

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Because I've had no time to do all this.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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I've been waiting to come on your show, man.

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Yes.

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It's been months.

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It will happen.

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And now we might as well just do it in your studio.

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Who knows?

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Good idea, actually.

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Why not?

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Yeah.

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I welcome you back anytime.

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Thank you very much.

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Even if it's for your own show.

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Anyway, thanks for sharing all that with me.

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I mean, it's kind of insightful for people out there.

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Those guys in the polytechnics who think you're in mass media today and that you're going

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to, life's going to be so fucking rosy.

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Sorry if I could just interrupt, right?

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Sorry.

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I don't mean when I say all those things to try and negate or discount the need for you

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to be fully prepped and to work before your show.

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Okay?

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You should totally put everything that you have into your show.

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Okay?

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But this is something that I told myself I was going to do when I hit 37.

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Actually, when I left the last, when I left my former employer, okay?

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And I said, one of the biggest mistakes that I made was that I did not put a separation.

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And this goes back to one of the very first questions.

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Work-life balance, you mean?

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Yes.

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To one of the first questions you asked me tonight.

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And that is, who is Tim?

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Yeah.

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Right?

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And I said, for a long time, you know, they just, my professional life and my personal

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life just blended so much into each other.

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And the reason why I say you should never let your occupation and your work completely

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consume you and have nothing else outside of work is that when you have, if work is

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your life, if your job is your life, if you had a bad day on the job, you would have a

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terrible life at the end of the day.

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But if you had a, if you separate them and you are also, you know, you're also a person

486
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,560
who enjoys playing video games, hanging out with his friends, you've got a loving relationship

487
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:12,300
that you've got that you also put, you know, a fair amount of your priorities into, right?

488
00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:16,200
If you have a bad day at the job, you still have other things that happen in your life

489
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,200
as well.

490
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,200
Okay?

491
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:24,960
Same way for me now, if I have a bad, if I have a bad fight with Sabrina, with my wife,

492
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,160
but I had a great talk set, it kind of evens out.

493
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,880
I don't feel completely miserable when I go to sleep at night.

494
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,880
Right?

495
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,880
Yeah.

496
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,040
I mean, I had a miserable talk set, everything, you know, screwed up when I was on shift,

497
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,760
but you know, my wife made me a great meal when I came home too.

498
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,120
You have balance, you've got something good to kind of even things out.

499
00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:47,480
I mean, sure, there will be days where you have fights with your, with your, with your

500
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,200
partners and you had a terrible, you know, day on the job as well.

501
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:58,120
But you know, that's less likely to happen than just having one bad thing going on in

502
00:25:58,120 --> 00:25:59,600
one part of your life.

503
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,600
Right?

504
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:06,680
And I think people realize this only way too late, you know?

505
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,160
And if you only focus, it's like putting all your eggs in one basket.

506
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,160
Right?

507
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,400
If, if everything is bad in that one particular aspect and you made that aspect your whole

508
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:22,640
life, then it's going to be, it's going to lead to things like resentment, bitterness,

509
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,560
you get tired, you get depressed.

510
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,080
And once again, I mean, you know, as I get older, you know, mental health and mental

511
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,600
well-being are more important things to me.

512
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:32,600
Okay.

513
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,960
Words of wisdom from Timmo.

514
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,720
But just to let you know, in a nutshell, yeah, for the young people out there, just don't

515
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,320
be a slouch, whatever it is.

516
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,080
Work-life balance, yeah, but don't take that overboard.

517
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,080
Okay?

518
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,080
That's my worry.

519
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,400
Anyways, let's talk about ambition.

520
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,400
Ambition.

521
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,160
When you were in school, which school were you from?

522
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,160
Let's talk about primary school and secondary school.

523
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,160
Okay.

524
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,200
I was, I was in a few primary schools.

525
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,200
No, no, no.

526
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,640
I didn't get kicked out before you came.

527
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,440
I started off in Ross Sath Primary.

528
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,440
Oh, okay.

529
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,440
Okay.

530
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,440
For a couple of years.

531
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,440
Smart kid.

532
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,440
No, no, no, no.

533
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,440
It's just close to my house.

534
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,440
Okay.

535
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,440
But it's Ross Sath.

536
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,440
Ross Sath is one of those, one of those schools, right?

537
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,440
Way out there.

538
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,440
I was only there for two years.

539
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,880
I was only there for two years because my father worked in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

540
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,400
He was a diplomat.

541
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,600
So then I moved.

542
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,600
I went overseas.

543
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,760
I went to Indonesia for a couple of years.

544
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,800
Coming back, just in time for PSLE.

545
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Yeah.

546
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:36,040
I can imagine years in Indonesia coming back for PSLE is like culture shock.

547
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,040
Absolutely.

548
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,040
Yeah.

549
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,720
I went, somehow I went to an international school, which is a little bit more slack then.

550
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,000
At least my experience in international school was it was more slack than our curriculum

551
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,000
in Singapore.

552
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:52,560
So I did a couple of years, did my PSLE in Serangoon Garden, Serangoon.

553
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,560
Country Club.

554
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:59,560
Serangoon Garden South School, because I was a Gardens kid, right?

555
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,560
And then after that for secondary school, I went to St. Andrews.

556
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:05,560
Oh, okay.

557
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:06,560
We're in St. Andrews.

558
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,080
After that, I went to Nyan Pali, did mass communications.

559
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,080
Yes.

560
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,040
And that's kind of, you know, where my radio journey began.

561
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,040
Okay.

562
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,840
But when you were in school, let's talk about secondary school.

563
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,440
Let's not be ridiculous and go all the way back to primary school.

564
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,520
Have you ever harbored any ambition to be on radio one day?

565
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,720
No, not when I was in secondary school.

566
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:37,840
I can tell you exactly the moment where I thought I wanted to consider a career in radio.

567
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,280
I was actually in the polytechnic for one year before I went to mass communications.

568
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,200
I went to computer studies, right?

569
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,200
And it was the stupidest reason why I chose to go to computer studies.

570
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,380
I had my option between going to mass communications and going to computer studies.

571
00:28:50,380 --> 00:28:55,220
In my mind, I really thought I would be spending three years in the polytechnic if I went to

572
00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:58,360
computer studies playing computer games.

573
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,560
Yeah, that's what I...

574
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:02,560
Hey, man, come on.

575
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,200
At 17 years old, you ought to have known better too, right?

576
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,480
I just, you know, I was like, oh, I could be a hacker or something like that.

577
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,480
Please play computer games.

578
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,840
When I go mass communications, it sounds like there's a lot of writing.

579
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,280
You're fucking kidding me, right?

580
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,760
After one year, when I realized I was not playing any video games or computer games,

581
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,280
and you know, I was struggling with math, that's when I chose to go to mass communications.

582
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,280
So you changed course?

583
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,920
Yes, after a year.

584
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:32,100
But it was during that time where I was listening to radio one day and I can't even remember

585
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:39,480
which radio DJ was on at the time, but I just thought, wow, this actually, this is a job.

586
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,480
People get paid to do this.

587
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,440
I feel like I could do this.

588
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,440
Okay.

589
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:44,440
Right?

590
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:50,080
So when I went to mass communications, I realized radio was a module that you could do.

591
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:56,760
And I, and from that, from that point, I focused all my energies in learning as much as I could

592
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,480
about radio and excelling in that subject, getting as many internships as I could, get

593
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,280
as much experience as I could.

594
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:09,020
And you know, so I went, I did my internship in, in class 95.

595
00:30:09,020 --> 00:30:12,680
I went for a radio training course at Rediffusion.

596
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,680
Oh, wow.

597
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,400
Then we went, we went into Nelson back then.

598
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,400
Yes.

599
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,400
I think at that point, yeah.

600
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,800
Chris Ho at the time was actually Chris Ho and John Klaas.

601
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:24,800
Yeah.

602
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:25,800
John was there.

603
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,800
Yeah.

604
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:27,800
Um, and okay.

605
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:33,320
And then after that, uh, I managed to get myself internships in Cambodia because my

606
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,640
dad was still, you know, a diplomat at the time.

607
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,640
So I was just doing everything.

608
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,640
In Cambodia, do what?

609
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,640
Internships radio?

610
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,640
Yes.

611
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,640
In Cambodia.

612
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,640
Holy crap.

613
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,960
So I went to a radio station and a radio station my dad managed.

614
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,400
It must have been fun.

615
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,400
It was quite.

616
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,400
Yeah.

617
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,400
It was quite.

618
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,400
Any rules governing anything there?

619
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,400
Yes.

620
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,400
Well, actually no, not that there are rules.

621
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,400
There were no rules.

622
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,400
Oh man.

623
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,640
Here in most radio stations and Singaporean radio stations, in fact, most professional

624
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,640
radio stations, you know, that playlist, right?

625
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,640
Yeah.

626
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,480
You know, you shouldn't play a same song within how many hours.

627
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,480
Yeah.

628
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,600
Over there, as long as somebody asks for the song, you play it.

629
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,600
Yeah.

630
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,600
You can play it three times in an hour.

631
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,640
You can play it seven times in three hours.

632
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,240
You know the one song I played over and over again?

633
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,360
My heart goes sha la la la la.

634
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,360
Oh gosh.

635
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,360
Yeah.

636
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,360
Seven times in three hours.

637
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,360
The whole time.

638
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,360
So, but I mean, that was fun.

639
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,640
They've got that going in Brunei as well.

640
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,640
When I was there for NS, right?

641
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:36,920
When, well, I'm talking about NS man training in Timberong and the radio plays, you know,

642
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,640
in the SCF base that we've got, they're not going to mention names.

643
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:49,640
And the DJs there, they play the same song, same thing, like three times in an hour.

644
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,320
And at that time it was Destiny's Child.

645
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,320
Good God.

646
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,320
Down, down, down.

647
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,760
Over and over and over again, like it's on a loop.

648
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:58,760
Yeah.

649
00:31:58,760 --> 00:31:59,760
Yeah, it was nuts.

650
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:06,000
But it's fun anyway, in a certain sense, because you don't have regulators breathing down your

651
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,000
neck.

652
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,000
Right?

653
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,560
So you could say things, talk about things.

654
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,560
Yeah.

655
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,560
I think it's kind of fun.

656
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,560
Okay.

657
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:20,040
And I think that's also why, you know, podcasting in general is also exploding, you know, as

658
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,880
much as it is because anyone with a microphone can kind of do a show, right?

659
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,840
And you are not, you're not under handcuffed, right?

660
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,880
You can talk about any topic you want.

661
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,960
I'd like to think you can talk about any topic you want, but I don't know how strict some

662
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,840
regulators are even in this country.

663
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,640
Well, I was speaking for myself.

664
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,600
I do tap on the brakes a little bit on certain things.

665
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,200
You won't find me talking about politics.

666
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,400
You won't find me talking about religion.

667
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,880
Race, well, it depends on the context, you know?

668
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,440
I mean, I'm ultra minority, not just minority.

669
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,880
Devin called, Devin coined that term when I had him on my other show.

670
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,880
What does that mean?

671
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:04,880
Well, he's chindian.

672
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,880
Yes.

673
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,040
So he considers himself an ultra minority.

674
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,320
And I said, actually, it's kind of cool.

675
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,040
Actually, I look at it the opposite.

676
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:18,120
I feel he should be a majority because he gets to enjoy both.

677
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,120
That makes sense too.

678
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,040
I mean, he's got, yep, yep.

679
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,320
I know what you mean.

680
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:31,960
But for me, of course, I'm Eurasian, yeah, mom's Chinese, dad's Eurasian, you know?

681
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,880
But then again, if you take a look at the lineage, it's really a mishmash of a lot of

682
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:38,880
things.

683
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,080
So yeah, ultra minority.

684
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:47,400
But I don't talk about, you know, frivolously on a whim where race is concerned.

685
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,080
So I don't touch these areas.

686
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,920
To me, I just think it's, what's the point?

687
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,320
That's not going to be nice.

688
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,960
You know, am I free in my language?

689
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:56,960
Fuck yeah.

690
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,000
I mean, why not?

691
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,000
Right?

692
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,560
I think for those who squeamish, don't watch.

693
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,560
Yes.

694
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,640
Don't watch the show if you can't take profanity.

695
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:06,640
So what?

696
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,240
I'm just being expressive, not hurling it at anyone.

697
00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:10,240
You know?

698
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:15,840
So to me, it's great to express yourself, but naturally be disciplined enough and be

699
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,520
cultured enough not to go too far.

700
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,520
Yeah.

701
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:20,520
Yeah.

702
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,000
Because you have the maturity to know.

703
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,000
Yeah.

704
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,200
The reason why I ask you all these, all those questions is now I'm so glad you, you really

705
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,200
volunteer a lot.

706
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,280
I hardly had to talk to you, which is great.

707
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,040
Which is great.

708
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,520
And because there are people out there who are wondering, you know, how, you know, I

709
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,800
mean, like you said, four hour shift, you've got such a great gig, man.

710
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,800
Four hour shift.

711
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:41,800
I wish.

712
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,800
I wish.

713
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,120
But you know something, when you think about this, you're doing the evening drive time

714
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,800
on the one way home.

715
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,800
And that's a shift from four to eight.

716
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,960
And you're going to miss out on something that you can make extra bucks from.

717
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,520
And that would be shows at night.

718
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,080
Getting on stage to host an event.

719
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:03,000
I've never been really fully entrenched in the, in the whole MC scene.

720
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,840
To be honest, you really, I mean, when I got into radio, that's really all I wanted to

721
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,240
do.

722
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:13,920
Never really marketed myself out to do gigs and things like that.

723
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,840
So actually you'd be quite surprised to know I, I am not really all that experienced.

724
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:24,080
I've done a fair amount of gigs, but nowhere close to what the average media radio DJ does.

725
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,080
Okay.

726
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,280
So that's the reason why you say Tim Oh is an ordinary guy.

727
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,280
Why?

728
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,280
Why is that?

729
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,200
Because you only do radio and that's it.

730
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,680
You don't go out there and do the gigs on stage and stuff like that.

731
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:42,640
No, and also because, I mean, like you mentioned, I, having done EDT, evening drive time, for

732
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,000
most of my career.

733
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:50,520
Yes, a lot of the gigs, that's something that I have never really gotten a chance to do.

734
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,480
Because yeah, doing those hours is exactly what I'm saying.

735
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,800
If I mean, for example, if you got a morning slot, right?

736
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:05,000
And then you have, well, your evenings free, you know, for a couple of hours, you go out

737
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,760
there and do, do, do a short gig for three, four hours, get paid good bucks.

738
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,840
You're a celebrity, you know, you get paid more than people like me.

739
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,200
I really sometimes I wonder, sometimes I wonder about that.

740
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,560
I wonder about that just because, just because a celeb doesn't necessarily mean people like

741
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,600
me can't do a show too, you know?

742
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,680
Oh no, I would hire Chris over at Tim Oh any day.

743
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:28,680
No, no, no, no.

744
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,120
I'm not, I'm not referring to you, man.

745
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,120
I mean, generally speaking, it's true.

746
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,120
It's true.

747
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,120
Really.

748
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,000
Let me tell you the conundrum in that, in that part, that side of the world, okay.

749
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,800
That side of the business.

750
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,920
Oh, celebrity must be better than the other guy who's not a celebrity, but who's been

751
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:46,920
around.

752
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,920
That's, that's, that's the reality.

753
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:49,920
Really?

754
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,320
I feel like it's the opposite these days.

755
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,720
I mean, my impression, I mean, coming from the broadcast side of things, right?

756
00:36:54,720 --> 00:37:02,480
I feel most people would go for, rather than go for anyone who is on radio or on a, you

757
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,600
know, who might even be considered anywhere close to a celebrity, they would probably

758
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,600
avoid them.

759
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:09,600
Why?

760
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,720
Because they would ultimately assume these people are going to be more expensive.

761
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,040
Well, they do assume that, but the bigger boys-

762
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,760
They'd rather go for someone who is just a full-time MC than someone who dabbles in broadcast.

763
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:24,680
But they are, they are the big, big boys, you know, the big boys who's got the mula

764
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,680
and they would go and they would spend that money.

765
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,640
You know what I mean?

766
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,520
And I think the biggest mistake they make is that they hire the influencers to host

767
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,520
events.

768
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,160
I mean, come on, right?

769
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:44,120
So sometimes I wonder, you know, I mean, stop being so shallow and get people for what they

770
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:49,960
are and how they do their work, how professional they are and how they get the job done and

771
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,760
beyond expectations, especially.

772
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:52,760
Right?

773
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,520
And not just take on because, oh, he's an influencer.

774
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,760
Do you see how many followers he's got?

775
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,760
That's not the point, right?

776
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,000
The point is, is about the work that people do, that these people do on stage for you

777
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,400
and for your objectives.

778
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,280
And I've been doing this for 37 years, really.

779
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,160
And stage especially.

780
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,720
And I've heard it all, man.

781
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:20,040
Then there was a period where if you're not Pan-Asian, we're not taking you on.

782
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,040
Yeah.

783
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,040
Is this still like that?

784
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,760
I don't know about now though, you know, because right now I really don't give a shit.

785
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,640
If you want to pay me and if you can't afford to pay me, I'll do the show.

786
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,120
But then again, it all depends on what kind of show.

787
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,120
Right?

788
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:40,800
But I don't really go out there marketing myself anymore like I used to for years.

789
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:46,880
And I really don't know how, whether that's still prevalent today when it comes to, you

790
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:52,800
got to be Pan-Asian looking, exotic, blah, blah, blah.

791
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,400
There was a time it was really annoying.

792
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,880
And I've had Pan-Asian people complaining to me about they're not Pan-Asian enough.

793
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:03,880
Really?

794
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:04,880
Yeah.

795
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:05,880
Oh man.

796
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:06,880
Plastic, painted.

797
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:07,880
Really.

798
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:13,400
I mean, and it's so disgusting sometimes, man.

799
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,360
And what you said just now about, you're so right.

800
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,160
You are married eight years?

801
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,160
Wow.

802
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,240
I think you said eight years.

803
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,440
Like 2014 to now is how many years?

804
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,440
Nine years.

805
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,440
Nine years.

806
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,440
Okay.

807
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,800
And your boy is five.

808
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,240
Like me, my demographic's the same, right?

809
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,640
Wife, me, but we've been married coming 22 years.

810
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,960
Kids can be 14.

811
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,320
And I made a promise because you know why?

812
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,840
You're either a father or you're a dad.

813
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,120
And I've always reminded myself that do not be a father, be a dad.

814
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:59,160
And I made a promise to myself and eventually to my son who is old enough to understand

815
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:08,200
that every single day daddy will drive you to nursery, then kindergarten, throughout

816
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,240
the six years in primary up till today.

817
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:16,520
He doesn't need me, of course, to send him to school or pick him up.

818
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:24,360
But those are moments, especially if you have a son, when you have a son, dads ought to

819
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,120
have that drive time.

820
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,000
Oh, believe me, fun.

821
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,640
We talk football and the car drives.

822
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:33,640
We'll see.

823
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,640
You know?

824
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,560
I mean, as in we'll see when he goes to school whether or not I'm still doing drive time.

825
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,320
No, but you think about it, if you're still doing drive time, in the mornings you can

826
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,960
send him to school.

827
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,840
Bro, I'm not a morning person.

828
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,520
I would like to be sleeping in the morning.

829
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,560
It's already a little bit grumpy, right?

830
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,880
Because he's waking me up in the morning at seven in the morning and I only slept at three

831
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:55,880
a.m. in the morning.

832
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,360
You could kiss that goodbye because you better end up being a morning person.

833
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,960
I was hardly a morning person too.

834
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:12,000
But when the kid got old enough for mainstream school, yeah, make yourself one.

835
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,000
Get yourself to be one.

836
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,000
Be a morning person.

837
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,000
And you know what?

838
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,000
You'll love it.

839
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:22,000
I wake up at 5.30 every morning, every day, weekdays, to send my kid to school.

840
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,920
And I think that's one of the best moments you can have.

841
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,080
From one dad to another dad, man.

842
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,080
No, no, no.

843
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,080
I mean, what you say makes a lot of sense.

844
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,400
And here is one of the reasons why I have always, this is the excuse I've always given

845
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,040
when people go, why don't you wake up early in the morning?

846
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,720
And a big part of it is because of my show.

847
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,720
I use my work as the excuse.

848
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:53,160
Because I always say that I need to be at my most awake when I go on into the studio.

849
00:41:53,160 --> 00:42:00,000
So I mean, for the average person who goes to work from 9 to 6, at what time of their

850
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,800
day are they going to be mentally the sharpest?

851
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:05,800
Probably optimal.

852
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,840
Optimum probably maybe about 11 o'clock, I would think.

853
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:16,840
What time would you say would be the optimal time?

854
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:17,840
Before lunch, after lunch?

855
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:18,840
You're right.

856
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:19,840
About 11, 11.30.

857
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,840
Probably about 11.

858
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,880
Then after you go for lunch, you come back from lunch, you're going to knock.

859
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,640
You feel like nodding off about 2 o'clock.

860
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,480
About 4 o'clock you start looking at your watch and go, fuck that, I want to go home.

861
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:37,560
So basically, if 11 o'clock in a 9 to 5 day is optimal, 4 p.m. when I start my show has

862
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,800
to be my 11 a.m.

863
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:46,000
Which means, to be honest, if you want to do the math, I should only be waking up at

864
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,000
lunch tonight.

865
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,480
Unfortunately, we know that's not going to happen because we still have meetings and

866
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,880
things like that.

867
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,200
But that is one of my biggest fears.

868
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,600
I'm not one of those who, oh yeah sure, I can wake up at 7 a.m. and then I'll take a

869
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,400
quick nap at 11 o'clock and know.

870
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,880
It'll not happen.

871
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,880
You're right.

872
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:13,960
Anyway, then again, it's just my little bit of suggestion or rather my little bit of offering

873
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:14,960
to you.

874
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,800
No, and it makes a lot of sense to be honest.

875
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,560
I think at that point in time, I hope, I don't know if my bosses are listening, when Charlie

876
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:26,000
starts going to school, I want to maybe move to another show.

877
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,000
Not the morning show, please.

878
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,000
No God, not the morning show.

879
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,200
I've learned that when I make wishes, I must be very specific with my wishes.

880
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,200
Which shift?

881
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,200
10 o'clock?

882
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,200
Maybe a lunch show, maybe a lunch or an afternoon.

883
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,200
That's kind of sweet.

884
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,200
10 to what?

885
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,200
One?

886
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,200
10 to one.

887
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,200
Yeah.

888
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,200
10 to two.

889
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,200
That is the best.

890
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,200
You get the best of both worlds.

891
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,200
You get the mornings, you get the afternoons, you go for movie screenings, you get to host

892
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,200
gigs.

893
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,200
But then I don't know whether I'll be too old to host gigs.

894
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,200
You're too old to host gigs, man.

895
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,240
Yeah, you'll be like, oh Tim, too old for the market already.

896
00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:01,360
Which now that you've mentioned that, and I think it's getting late, so I'm going to

897
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,880
just come to this bit of the show.

898
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,480
Part of my notes anyway.

899
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,000
Life after radio, man.

900
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,560
We have plans for life after radio.

901
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,240
Are you asking me if I have a plan B?

902
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,240
Are you asking me if I have another job I want to do?

903
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:16,240
I'm asking you whether or not.

904
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:19,600
Well, no, I'm not even asking about that though.

905
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:26,360
I'm just asking, is there going to be a time that you will leave radio?

906
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,840
Sometimes people have to make a decision, right?

907
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,760
You can't go on to this until you're 85.

908
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,800
Uncle Brian recently just retired.

909
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,800
Yeah.

910
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,800
Right?

911
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:36,800
Yeah.

912
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:37,800
Respect to the man.

913
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,800
Yeah.

914
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,960
And well, what's Tim O's plan?

915
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:41,960
I don't know.

916
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,360
The funny thing is I have considered leaving radio multiple times.

917
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,360
Really?

918
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,360
Okay.

919
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,960
Tim O is the village bicycle of radio.

920
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,960
He has been everywhere.

921
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,960
Literally everywhere.

922
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:55,960
Really?

923
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:56,960
Every station?

924
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:57,960
Every broadcast station?

925
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:04,040
Every music English radio station ever, including those that are no longer in operation like

926
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,040
Lush.

927
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,040
You name them.

928
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,040
97, Class, Lush.

929
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,040
Radio Heart.

930
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,040
Radio Heart.

931
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,040
No way, right?

932
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,040
Well, 91.3.

933
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,040
Oh yeah, that's it.

934
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,040
Yeah.

935
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,920
I've talked about them multiple times.

936
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,040
I have multiple stints at each radio station.

937
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,400
I've even done symphony as well at one point.

938
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:24,400
Yes.

939
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,000
So I started at Power 98.

940
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:32,640
So every English radio station, music station, I have been on.

941
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,720
And that means I've been to the three broadcasters in Singapore.

942
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:38,400
So I started off at SPH.

943
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,400
I mean, sorry.

944
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,400
I started off at Safra Radio.

945
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,400
Yeah, Safra.

946
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,680
Then I went to Media Corp.

947
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,840
And then I went to, and then I'm now at SPH.

948
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:53,800
Each time I've left a company, I left with no job at somewhere else.

949
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:54,800
Wow.

950
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:55,800
All right?

951
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,720
So yes, each time I've left, people are like, oh, why would you leave?

952
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:00,440
Unless you've got a place in mind.

953
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,720
But for some reason or another, I just didn't.

954
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:07,000
Whether it was to go away to study, whether it's because I just needed a break.

955
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,000
And each time you leave, you have to be very, very aware.

956
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,320
And you have to be very, very conscious of the possibility that the moment you leave,

957
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,320
you may not come back.

958
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,320
Right.

959
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,520
And that's a plain and simple reason where as much as we would love to think we're the

960
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,200
best DJs and everybody wants us, it's limited spaces in Singapore.

961
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,360
This is a job that a lot of people want to do.

962
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:28,360
Yep.

963
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,360
And they are limited.

964
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,080
When the shows have been taken up, there's a guy already anchoring the show, or fronting

965
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,080
the show.

966
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,360
You're just not going to have a spot.

967
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,360
Absolutely.

968
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,520
You could be one of the best DJs, but just no opening.

969
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,520
Yeah.

970
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,840
So each time I have left a company, I've had to do so knowing that this really could be

971
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,840
the last time.

972
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:45,840
Bullseye, man.

973
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:46,840
Yes.

974
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,840
Some might say stupid.

975
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:48,840
No, I won't say stupid.

976
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:49,840
I'll say ballsy.

977
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:55,960
Because I tell you, when you're entrenched in a place, it's so hard to leave.

978
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,200
And even when you left these stations, that was before you got married?

979
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,200
No.

980
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:06,360
So I mean, when I left Safra Radio, when I left Power 98, I left to study.

981
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,360
So that was my push.

982
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,280
Because at that time, I had already graduated from the polytechnic.

983
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,280
I got my diploma.

984
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:22,800
And if you are going to do a degree, a related degree, you usually get some exemptions, right?

985
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:23,800
Credit transfers.

986
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:24,800
Right.

987
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,200
But at the time, I don't know if it still applies, you have five years.

988
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:33,360
Meaning, if you want to take advantage of your exemptions, you need to, within five

989
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,240
years, take your degree.

990
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:36,480
And my five years was running out.

991
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,840
So I knew, okay, I need to leave.

992
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,280
I need to go and get my degree.

993
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,280
So that's when I left Power.

994
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,920
And I knew I could leave Power and may not be able to come back.

995
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,960
There may not be a position.

996
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:54,360
Eventually, when I came back from school, I joined MediaCorp, where I was for 12 years.

997
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,560
And I went through all the different radio stations and all that.

998
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,560
And I got married.

999
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,120
I met my wife while I was at MediaCorp.

1000
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,800
She was a Channel News Asia presenter at the time.

1001
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:12,880
But when I decided I was going to leave back in 2016 or 2017, it's not like I had a job

1002
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,200
waiting for me at SPH.

1003
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,540
But at that point, I knew I had to leave.

1004
00:48:18,540 --> 00:48:19,540
And I did.

1005
00:48:19,540 --> 00:48:23,520
And each time I have left, there's always been a, okay, what are you going to do?

1006
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,240
And it's not for lack of trying.

1007
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:28,840
I have sent out resumes, considered doing other things.

1008
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,320
But for some reason or other, I always find myself coming back to radio.

1009
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,640
I don't know if it's because it feels-

1010
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,080
So you had no job in between at all?

1011
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,440
Working for any company, any business?

1012
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,440
No.

1013
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,440
No?

1014
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:50,000
I mean, I did some freelance stuff, freelance writing, copywriting stuff.

1015
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,000
But no, no, no.

1016
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,000
Wow, ballsy.

1017
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:58,640
Being a radio DJ is the only full-time job I've ever had in my life.

1018
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:08,680
So this is mean that there will not be a day that Tim O will actually call it a day completely

1019
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,080
from radio.

1020
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:16,800
I'm sure one day I'm probably going to be too old, or some other responsibility or commitment

1021
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,900
might need me more.

1022
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:22,800
If I wasn't a radio DJ, what would I like to do?

1023
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:23,800
Yeah.

1024
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:24,800
Life after radio.

1025
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:25,800
I kid you not.

1026
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:26,800
People all give me that same-

1027
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:27,800
What the fuck?

1028
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:28,800
Look at the expression on his face.

1029
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:29,800
Look at the expression on his face.

1030
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:30,800
I want to be a butcher, right?

1031
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,800
So we've got these like skills future points, right?

1032
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,360
I really want to take a-

1033
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,040
What's the drive for you wanting to be a fucking butcher?

1034
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,040
Because I fucking love meat.

1035
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,040
Right?

1036
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:47,440
And I feel, you know, if I'm going to eat meat, I should at least know how to butcher

1037
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:48,880
meat and I should know more about it.

1038
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,360
And I really do.

1039
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,040
You're not shitting me about this, are you?

1040
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,040
No, no.

1041
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,040
Really?

1042
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,040
In fact, you want to.

1043
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,040
You got skills future points, we don't take together.

1044
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,040
No, fuck it.

1045
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,040
I know I look like a freaking butcher, yeah.

1046
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,040
But I have no freaking-

1047
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,040
What does he look great in a butcher's apron?

1048
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:09,200
I do not have a call, a calling to go and chop freaking meat up, yeah?

1049
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,400
You're welcome to it, man.

1050
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:17,840
I was looking, you know, at one point we were also considering maybe moving to New Zealand,

1051
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:18,840
right?

1052
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:25,240
And when I was looking at being a butcher, I wanted to open a butchery, like a butcher

1053
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:28,160
shop in New Zealand.

1054
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,920
That's the weirdest damn thing.

1055
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,560
I've never heard of any- you know when I get older, I just want to be a butcher.

1056
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,640
I want to go and find little fucking cows and-

1057
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,120
They're like, well, I wouldn't be necessarily-

1058
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,600
It is what a real butcher does.

1059
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,600
No, no, no, that's the slaughterer at the slaughterhouse, right?

1060
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,160
I don't want to work in an abattoir, I want to work in my-

1061
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,600
No, man, I don't know about New Zealand at all because I know in Italy, they slaughter

1062
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:53,600
the cow too.

1063
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:54,600
And then they, after that-

1064
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:55,600
Yes.

1065
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:56,600
Oh, they butcher it after that?

1066
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:57,600
They rear the cows too.

1067
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:58,600
They slaughter the cows.

1068
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:59,600
Okay, I would do sentimental-

1069
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,680
You know, I don't know if any vegans watch this show, you know, and they're going to

1070
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:09,800
go, what the fuck, we're going to get real slimed online.

1071
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,800
But that's reality, I mean, butchers exist and Timur wants to be a butcher.

1072
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:15,800
Exactly.

1073
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:16,800
But you'll meet.

1074
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,400
But there's no- I don't think there's a cause for-

1075
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:21,400
There is butchery cause.

1076
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,400
No way.

1077
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:23,400
No, there is.

1078
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:24,400
Where do you check it out?

1079
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:25,400
Yes.

1080
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,400
Using your skillseture.

1081
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,400
Yes.

1082
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,400
There is definitely a cause.

1083
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,400
Oh, boy.

1084
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:39,320
Well, I hope you really spend the time and get that certification to be a professional

1085
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,320
butcher.

1086
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,000
One day, one day, and maybe I'll do a radio show on butchery.

1087
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,360
Butchery FM.

1088
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:51,760
You know, and every talk set will be about a different cut of me.

1089
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,720
You know, even I've thought about this, even, you know, my intro instead of how you doing

1090
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:57,400
will be, why are you doing?

1091
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,400
Oh, gosh.

1092
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,400
Cheesy.

1093
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,920
Do I- though I do like that Monica Bro and the girl with Timur.

1094
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,920
Oh, thank you very much.

1095
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,360
There's a kind of- there's a ring to it, you know.

1096
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:10,360
It's kind of nice.

1097
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:11,360
Thank you.

1098
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:12,360
I appreciate it.

1099
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,480
And the One Way Home is a pretty good name for the show too.

1100
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,480
Thank you.

1101
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:16,480
Did you come up with that?

1102
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:17,480
Yes, I did.

1103
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:18,480
Oh, good.

1104
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,880
I was very proud of it actually because I came up with the One Way Home when I first

1105
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,080
was brought over to one of them.

1106
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,560
And I've always- I don't know, I've always been the kind of DJ where I like the station

1107
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,120
name in the show.

1108
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:32,120
You know what I mean?

1109
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:38,960
Because I feel that if you have a good name, you know, and a name with legacy, it doesn't

1110
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,680
matter which DJ is on, the name can stay.

1111
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:46,160
You know, and at the end of the day, that show should be more important than the person

1112
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,160
who is actually hosting it.

1113
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,240
And that is specifically why I called it the One Way Home.

1114
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:54,480
Yeah, but you know, I've always liked the Morning Express.

1115
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,200
It's dead now.

1116
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,440
Yes, yes, yes.

1117
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:58,760
But that is a good example.

1118
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,760
It's dead now because-

1119
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,760
So use that, with that particular example, right?

1120
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,840
For the longest time, it didn't matter who was on the Morning Express, it was still the

1121
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:05,840
Morning Express.

1122
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,040
It didn't matter who was on lunch break, it was still called lunch break.

1123
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,960
We're talking about Class 95 by the way.

1124
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,920
It didn't matter who was doing, you know, the music marathon, it was always the music

1125
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,240
marathon.

1126
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:21,400
And I feel that if you are going to commit to a program, you should build that program

1127
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,160
in a way it will have legacy, no matter who is-

1128
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,160
And permanence.

1129
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,160
Yes.

1130
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,840
And so, this is where I come to this part, just to end tonight's show.

1131
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,840
Tim O wants to be a butcher, but I've got a better suggestion.

1132
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:33,840
What is that?

1133
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,440
SPH radio.

1134
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,760
Move him to the morning.

1135
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,200
No, don't do that.

1136
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,520
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

1137
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:48,320
Move him to the morning and call him, instead of bro, on the go, call him the butcher.

1138
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,040
So that Class 95, there are two animals there, right?

1139
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,040
Oh, hey, hey, don't-

1140
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:56,120
Right, here we go, here we go, here we go!

1141
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:57,120
Making me feel sheepish.

1142
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,120
See what I did there?

1143
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,120
Sheepish.

1144
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:04,240
Okay, everyone, this has been the Chris Hansen conversation.

1145
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:06,320
I hope you guys enjoyed the first episode.

1146
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:12,840
It's really, really, really good to be back and I'm so glad that on the main episode,

1147
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,280
I actually have Tim O in the studio with me.

1148
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,280
Thanks so much, Tim.

1149
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,280
I really don't know what we talked about tonight.

1150
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,280
I don't know.

1151
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:19,280
When people look back, or like when I go-

1152
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,280
What the fuck were these two people talking about?

1153
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:21,280
What was the show about tonight?

1154
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,280
I really don't know what to tell her.

1155
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:23,280
What was the show about?

1156
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,280
So it sucks, doesn't it?

1157
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:25,280
We talked about-

1158
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:26,280
We talked about-

1159
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:31,800
We talked about Vade, we talked about being dads, but was there a theme you wanted tonight?

1160
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:32,800
No.

1161
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:33,800
No?

1162
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:34,800
I hardly have any.

1163
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:35,800
Okay.

1164
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:36,800
It's just me sitting there.

1165
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:37,800
I've got questions, sure.

1166
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:38,800
I just want to find out basic stuff.

1167
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,800
But my guests start talking and when they start talking and they go on talking-

1168
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,280
Hang on, you didn't have-

1169
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:45,280
I don't have anything-

1170
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,280
You didn't have alcohol.

1171
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,280
I don't need to ask anything.

1172
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,280
The conversation would end in another three minutes.

1173
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:55,200
Oh yeah, I had a show where there was two bottles were wiped out in an hour, man.

1174
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,200
What was it?

1175
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,200
And Bernard was on it.

1176
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,200
Of course.

1177
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,200
Of course.

1178
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,200
What a show.

1179
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,200
There was really no direction.

1180
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,200
What was the alcohol?

1181
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:03,200
Is my question-

1182
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:12,400
It was, it was, it was, the alcohol was by the Orientalists.

1183
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,400
Michael Lu was one of the guests together with Brian.

1184
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,400
Michael brought along the booze.

1185
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,400
That's why you invited him, right?

1186
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,400
Because you knew he was going to bring the booze.

1187
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:20,880
Well, it was Dennis Fu's idea.

1188
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,120
So it was really fun to have him, you know, these two people.

1189
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:29,920
Those three guys were together with me and we were really doing the show.

1190
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,800
And no direction, man, but it was good fun.

1191
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,360
And I think viewers enjoyed the episode.

1192
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:41,800
I'd rather have this kind of conversations and then it's planned, you know, produced.

1193
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:42,800
And then what?

1194
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:43,800
Yeah.

1195
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:44,800
People will go, oh, this is so produced.

1196
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:45,800
It's so planned.

1197
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:46,800
It's so structured.

1198
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:47,800
It's so formatted.

1199
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,400
There's no flare, man.

1200
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,240
Well, I think that's also the difference when it comes to, to say broadcasting and when

1201
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:58,760
it comes to doing a podcast is that you have a lot of leeway to stretch out.

1202
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,320
You know what I mean?

1203
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,280
Because if I need to take a break as a listener, I can pause and carry on.

1204
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:05,280
Exactly.

1205
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,720
You don't get to do that when you're on FM broadcast.

1206
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:11,640
That's why we, all the DJs have to keep everything really short, concise, hence produced.

1207
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:12,940
And brevity is key.

1208
00:56:12,940 --> 00:56:16,360
Because they need to catch, put everything in those 30 seconds.

1209
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,360
Yeah.

1210
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:18,360
Tough man.

1211
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:19,360
Tough job.

1212
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,360
Tough job.

1213
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:21,360
But not really true entirely.

1214
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,080
But, CCB TV belongs to me.

1215
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,960
And we've got, I'm going to be shameless, shamelessly plugged this in.

1216
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:29,960
Okay.

1217
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:36,480
442 Dudes, tonight as a matter of fact, we've released our second episode.

1218
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,160
And that's formatted, man.

1219
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,160
Oh, is it?

1220
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:41,160
Oh, I formatted that show.

1221
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,440
It has to be formatted so that we know what we can do.

1222
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,880
We're going to give you match reviews, then we give you match predictions.

1223
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:53,200
And after that we go into football news all over the world, things that's notable to be

1224
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,400
mentioned.

1225
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,960
And then unpopular opinions in the end.

1226
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:57,960
You know?

1227
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:58,960
Those are the best.

1228
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,040
Like stupid referees, you know, three red cards in one freaking game, that kind of thing.

1229
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,800
You know what I mean?

1230
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,480
So that one has to be formatted.

1231
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:06,480
So not entirely.

1232
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:14,280
I mean, I think it's great when you have the structure and discipline, so to speak, of

1233
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:19,760
radio, formatted radio into a podcast for certain shows.

1234
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:26,720
And for certain shows, we go, hey guys on radio, hey Tim O, look at me, I'm talking

1235
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:27,720
shit today.

1236
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,320
You can't do this.

1237
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:30,600
I can do this.

1238
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:31,600
You know what I mean?

1239
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:32,600
Yeah.

1240
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,920
So it's, that's the freedom we get.

1241
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:36,920
Yeah, sure.

1242
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:37,920
For shows like this.

1243
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,000
But it doesn't mean that we don't have any, that we don't structure a format.

1244
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,000
Okay.

1245
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,000
Yeah.

1246
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,000
See, I was about to say good night.

1247
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,000
Yeah, that's right.

1248
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,000
Woo!

1249
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,000
Here we go.

1250
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,000
I was going to ask for another Milo and then say good night.

1251
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,400
Yeah, I can get you another Milo, man.

1252
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,080
But right now, we really have to say good night.

1253
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,820
And it is nighttime right now as we're shooting this episode.

1254
00:57:55,820 --> 00:57:57,760
Do catch us for the next release, okay?

1255
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:04,960
And I'm going to publish the next show of the Chris Hansen Conversation CHC.

1256
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,560
Sleep tight because I need to change my underwear right now.

1257
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:23,680
Good night.