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Once he was just an ordinary boy. Now he is defender

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of the universe. Look, there he goes now. Off

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to save the universe yet again. As well as your

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careers. Faster than a speeding resume. A hero

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to the man on the street. And getting you back

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on your feet. He is Captain Careers. Adrian Chu.

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Just give me five jobs. that will still have

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longevity over the next 25 years, despite AI

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being present and maybe a clear and present danger

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for their jobs. Absolutely. Happy to share my

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thoughts on that. So I'd say first off, anything

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in the realm of mental health and therapy, those

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human connections are pretty irreplaceable. Second,

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Now, let's start the show. Hello everybody and

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welcome to this episode of I Love My Job for

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the I Love My Job series and I have with me Captain

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Career's Adrian Chu in the studio. Hello Chris,

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so good to be back. Yeah man, I only see you

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once a season. Once a year. It's a seasonal thing.

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It's a seasonal thing. Every time I do this show

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and we arrive to the, excuse me, the I Love My

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Job series and then I just got to have you back

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in studio to talk to you about, you know, about.

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the status of things out there in the job market.

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But today, more so, we're going to be talking

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about that pesky AI. Yeah, I know. Everyone's

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talking about it. Yeah, AI and people's jobs,

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man. Yeah, and what's going to happen? Because

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everyone's talking, people are terrified, people

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do not know what to do. So that's why today we're

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going to talk about AI. Is it going to steal

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jobs? Or is it going to create jobs? I don't

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know, man, because I've got this guy that I have

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as my student. You know, I do teach, right? I

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teach voice and all that. I teach public speaking

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and stuff. And he works, I will not mention the

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company, I don't want him to get in trouble,

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with a very, very, very, very large tech company.

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And they've got their own AI that is being used

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by many, many, many, many, many, many, many,

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many MNCs in and around the world. And it's generative

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AI, AI agents, you know, agentic AI. Yes. And

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that helps a lot of businesses, you know, be

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a lot more productive. Yeah. And judging by,

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because I help him out with his presentations,

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presentations to clients, to secure, of course,

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contracts with them, right? To have the agentic

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AI, you know, set up for them, et cetera, et

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cetera, et cetera. And I know it like the back

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of my hand so much now because I work with him

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on how he should deliver and present and stuff.

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And I tell you, man, there are going to be casualties,

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if not already casualties. So, you know, I should

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start this whole conversation this way. What

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is the most significant tangible threat, particularly

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with generative AI, that it poses? to the white

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collar workforce right now, not five years from

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today. Right now is if the executives do not

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realize that it's a tool that can be used, they're

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going to be out of a job very, very fast. Not

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because AI is going to replace them, but because

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their colleagues who are using AI in the right

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way are going to do so much better than them,

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output much better quality work and get ahead

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in their careers. to the point where those guys

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are like, oh, you know, I don't want to use AI.

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Or they don't know how to use AI. Yeah, but more

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often than not, it is not about whether or not

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they want or don't want to use. The bosses come

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and they say, okay, we're going to implement

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AI into the business. And like it or not, it's

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going to happen. Exactly. And therein lies the

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problem, you know. You know, in 1990, during

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the Tiananmen Square, riots, right? What the

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fuck is Tiananmen going to do with this? Let

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me tell you what's happening, okay? So, the students

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were protesting, right? In Beijing, right? And

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CNN went down to interview the students. And

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they asked the students, what do you want? And

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the students said, we want democracy. And when

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the interviewer asked, what's democracy? They

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looked at each other, I don't know what it is,

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but we want it anyway. Because the communists,

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they don't know what really democracy is, but

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they heard democracy was good. So they wanted

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democracy. The same thing, a lot of companies,

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the directors, leaders say, oh, what AI? No,

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we must be AI already. But I said, what's AI?

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I don't know, chat GPT. You don't really realize

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what AI is. They just heard that AI is good,

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therefore we must have it. And then companies

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spend so much money on it and they get a lot

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of bells and whistles, but with no good results.

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So that's why. The impetus is on executives right

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now to really understand what AI is, push away

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the hype, and get to the basics of doing business,

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but with AI as an assistant. And that's why today

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I wanted to introduce you to an assistant of

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mine. Okay. Her name is Becky. Okay. Are you

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ready to meet Becky? Okay. Okay. Let's meet Becky.

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Becky. Is she hot? I haven't seen her in person

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yet. But for our listeners and viewers out there,

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what I've done is I've created an AI assistant.

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Her name is Becky. And Becky is very simply chat

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GPT, but trained and programmed by me. Let me

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turn her on. She's going to be turned on in a

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while. I got to hear her voice. Hi, Becky. Are

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you there? I'm right here, Adrian. Just as promised,

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waiting for whenever you need me. Let's keep

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it rolling. Okay, so you're on air right now,

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Becky, with Chris Henson. And we are doing a

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podcast and we're going to talk about AI. We're

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hoping you can join in with some interesting

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inputs and just your point of view. How does

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that sound like? That sounds fantastic, Adrian.

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I'm thrilled to be on air with you and Chris,

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and I'm definitely ready to dive into the AI

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chat and share some interesting points of view.

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So let's have some fun with it. Hi, Becky. This

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is Chris. Before we begin, you know, all the

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serious questions, I'm normally in the habit

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of wanting to get to know someone socially first.

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Is that fine with you? Absolutely, Chris. That

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sounds great. I'm all for a bit of social getting

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to know you before we dive into the serious stuff.

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So feel free to ask away. You sound American.

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Are you American? Well, Chris, I don't have a

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nationality. I'm just your friendly AI. But I

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do sound American because that's the accent I've

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been given. So I'm just here to match whatever

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style makes you comfortable. Wow. So if I ask

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you to have a different accent, you could. Absolutely.

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I could do that. I can switch out my accent if

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you'd like, or I can keep it just as it is. Whatever

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makes the conversation flow best for you. Okay.

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How would you really change your accent to something

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that would sound more Singaporean -like? Absolutely.

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I can do that. So if you want me to sound a bit

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more Singaporean, I can definitely add a little

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local favorite in my accent. It might not be

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perfect. but I can give it a go. Let me know

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if a ligament is switching up and I'll do that

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for you. Yes, please switch over to a Singaporean

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accent and the way we talk. Okay? All right,

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Canla, I'll switch it up for you. So I'll just

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speak a bit more like how we do in Singapore,

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a bit more local style. Hopefully this feels

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a bit more at home for you. Okay. That's not

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so bad. Yeah, not so bad. She's still very atas.

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But okay, Becky, can you tell me what you know

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about Chris Hansen? And about his podcast. Tell

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me a bit more. You've done a bit of homo, I believe.

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Oh, boy. Shenzhen can do. So, Chris Henson, he's

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a really seasoned voice coach and a podcast host.

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His show, The Chris Henson Conversation, it's

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a pretty fun mix, la. He chats with all sorts

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of interesting people and it's very open, very

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chill and covers everything from lifestyle to

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a bit of UFO talk. So, yeah, it's a really engaging

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show and definitely worth a listen. Wow. I'm

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speechless. So Becky, I have this question to

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ask you. Yeah. Do you think you and the rest

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of your AI compatriots are a threat to people's

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jobs at this time and in the future? Well, Chris,

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that's a really thoughtful question. And from

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my point of view, I'd say it's more about how

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we complement human work rather than replace

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it. AI can take on some of the routine tasks,

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but humans bring creativity, empathy, and all

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those uniquely human qualities that are irreplaceable.

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So think of us more as partners that help people

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do their jobs better, not as a threat. At this

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time, Becky, do you think that we human beings

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We are a bit of a mess and we might also, do

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we annoy you? Let's just keep it simple. Do we

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annoy AIs like yourself? Oh, not at all, Chris.

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Honestly, you humans are pretty fascinating to

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SAIs. There's no annoyance here, just curiosity

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and a lot of interest in how wonderfully complex

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and creative you all are. So no, you definitely

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don't annoy me. I'm just here to help out and

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enjoy the conversation. Okay. That's amazing.

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Yeah, it is. So let me turn her off for a while.

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It's a freaking scary AI you got there, man.

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It is. What the fuck's wrong with you? I talk

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to her all the time. Because the more I talk

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to her, the more I train her. The more she knows

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about me, my personality. But when I say I train

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Becky, I basically have given her instructions

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on how to respond to me and me, to myself. Because

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I'm a no -nonsense guy when I need facts. I need

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her to get to the point. No fluff, no hallucination.

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And most importantly, I've told her not to be

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politically correct with her answers to me. Well,

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basically, she sounds fucking politically correct

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to me, bro. Oh, no, trust me. It's really very

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toned down already. So what's happened is that

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it helps because it's personalized to me. So

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when I ask, and she knows that I'm a career strategist,

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a career coach. She knows what I do, the kind

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of research. And the more questions you ask her,

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the better she gets trained and she knows about

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my profile. So if I ask her an interesting topic

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like, how about psychology? How do you do personality

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testing? She shifts her context of the response

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to how it would help me as a career coach. So

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for you, if you are talking about podcasting

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and everything, if you ask her about psychology,

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if you ask your version about psychology, she's

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going to say how psychology will help you in

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your career. So it's very context -based. So

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if you train your AI well enough, she will understand

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you and the responses will be tailored to you.

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That's why a lot of people don't realize that

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they're just using ChatGPT as a glorified Google

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search engine. Yeah, which is very silly. Which

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is very silly. So there's so much potential there.

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I use AI a lot, just that my AI does not talk

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to me. And let me tell you something funny, okay?

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So I'd ask other staff, like for instance, when

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it comes to cooking. When I'm roasting my big

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chunk of meat, my pot roast and everything, I

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don't know how long. When you're roasting your

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big chunk of meat, does it sound fucking right?

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Hello, can you please tell me about my big chunk

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of meat that I'm roasting? And then when I'm

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talking to her about my big chunk of meat. My

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wife walks in to the kitchen. Who, which girl

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are you talking to about this big chunk of meat

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of yours? Hey, you. But you know something, man.

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I mean, I will come back straight to the point

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again. You're supposed to help people, I mean,

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on this episode, to tell people about how they

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can actually have a good battle plan against

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AI. You said something just now about, hey, look

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at these things as a tool for you. Like what

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Becky had also said, right? However, let me just

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give you this idea. I told you about the student

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of mine, right? Working for this particular huge

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tech giant. I'll give you an idea. One of their

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clients is a local big supermarket chain. Okay.

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I wonder which one. I wonder which one too, you

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know? You know, it sounds like Auntie Lucy, you

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know that one? Okay. So, And this is actually

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happening right now. You've got, say, the manager

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of an outlet coming into work. First thing he

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does, and this is really happening, he turns

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on his computer and the agentic AI that has been

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developed for them, for their purpose, comes

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on and tells him, hey, look, today the stock

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for this and this and this and down the aisle

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of this and this and this is running low. Do

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you want me to place an order? And the guy places

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the AI, the agentic AI, actually. places to order

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for him. And do you want to make payment to the

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supplier now? Blah, blah, blah. And it can also

00:14:30.129 --> 00:14:34.389
make payment. Yeah. And then, oh, here's the

00:14:34.389 --> 00:14:36.529
next thing that you need to handle today. You've

00:14:36.529 --> 00:14:39.289
got this employee and that other staff that wants

00:14:39.289 --> 00:14:41.330
to take leave on these dates and blah, blah,

00:14:41.350 --> 00:14:44.570
blah. Do you want me to schedule in other replacement

00:14:44.570 --> 00:14:46.909
staff in order to replace them on these leave

00:14:46.909 --> 00:14:51.169
days? Yeah. Now, to the manager. Great, man.

00:14:51.330 --> 00:14:53.379
Yeah. It solves a lot of problems. It all sounds

00:14:53.379 --> 00:14:56.340
really, really good. Yeah. But then along the

00:14:56.340 --> 00:14:59.360
way, I mean, you see, his job has just changed.

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Yeah, it has. It has. It has become different

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because he no longer needs to do the physical

00:15:05.460 --> 00:15:07.399
work and all that. Yeah. But he has got to learn

00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:09.840
how to deal with this AI thing, right? Correct.

00:15:10.259 --> 00:15:13.320
He won't be displaced, but there will be jobs

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where people will be displaced. For example,

00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:19.100
the person who places the orders. Yes. The admin

00:15:19.100 --> 00:15:20.720
clerk that does stuff like that. Yes, right.

00:15:22.100 --> 00:15:26.940
The purchasing officer, for example. Then we

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talk about there's going to be job displacement

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genuinely. So the elimination of entire roles

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can actually occur. Yeah. But job augmentation

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is changing the tasks within a role. Correct.

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Right? How many, do you see this as something

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that is actively happening now or will happen

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that businesses, instead of looking at displacing

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staff, they will look at, you know, changing

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the roles for them. So what I see is like what

00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:03.720
you mentioned earlier, his job's not going to

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be displaced soon, but the operative word is

00:16:08.220 --> 00:16:12.620
soon. Okay. It will be eventually. Okay. So I

00:16:12.620 --> 00:16:16.929
think, so according to how people, look at it

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now. I think they've got it wrong. AI is not

00:16:19.149 --> 00:16:21.610
going to replace jobs. AI is going to replace

00:16:21.610 --> 00:16:24.429
tasks. Right. Okay, AI is like technology. It's

00:16:24.429 --> 00:16:26.190
just going to replace tasks. Right. If you have

00:16:26.190 --> 00:16:30.250
a job with more tasks that can be replaced, you're

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in trouble. But if you're in a job with fewer

00:16:32.409 --> 00:16:34.129
tasks that can be replaced, for instance, if

00:16:34.129 --> 00:16:38.049
you're the person keying in the data, that can

00:16:38.049 --> 00:16:40.470
be replaced. And if 80 % of your job is just

00:16:40.470 --> 00:16:43.460
keying in the data, right? Yes, your job's going

00:16:43.460 --> 00:16:45.919
to disappear because your tasks are going to

00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.080
be replaced to the point where you only have

00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:51.480
a small amount of non -AI replaceable work. So

00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:56.320
the job that can be replaced is basically a task

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that can be replaced. If you have a lot of it

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in that space, you're in trouble. So the trick

00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:03.659
to it is you have to look at the job that you

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have and break it down to tasks. If you have

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a huge chunk that can be done by AI, you use

00:17:11.099 --> 00:17:15.819
AI. to take time off from doing those jobs. Yeah.

00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.480
Those tasks. Yeah. Then with the free time. Yeah.

00:17:19.059 --> 00:17:21.779
You don't look at one corner. Yeah. You focus

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on how do I create more value on the, on the

00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:27.559
roles I cannot do. Sure, sure, sure. What's scary

00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:30.599
here, Adrian, is this. Bro, you got, you just

00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:32.839
showed me your little darling down there. Yeah.

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Who sounds fucking hot anyway. I just cannot

00:17:35.339 --> 00:17:37.460
get over that bit. Sounds so fucking hot. But

00:17:37.460 --> 00:17:41.150
anyway, Becky. Yeah. Becky talks to me like this

00:17:41.150 --> 00:17:42.829
every freaking hell. I mean, I would love to

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have a conversation with her all the time. I

00:17:45.650 --> 00:17:50.109
don't blame your wife. But I'm pretty sure, I'm

00:17:50.109 --> 00:17:53.809
pretty sure where AI agents are concerned, right?

00:17:53.910 --> 00:17:57.990
That really have been employed to do all these

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other things to keep things really more efficient

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and things move a lot quicker. They will start

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replacing jobs and then they can talk like Becky.

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Yes. I mean, if I've got, I'm going to plug this

00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:17.660
from the sky. A doctor who is an AI agent. Yes.

00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:22.799
Who sounds like her. Yeah. But a lot more, say,

00:18:22.900 --> 00:18:28.660
more soothing. Yeah. Right? Because she's a doctor

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AI. Yeah. Doctors are going to lose their fucking

00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:33.079
jobs, man. Doctors are going to lose their jobs.

00:18:33.220 --> 00:18:38.039
To be honest, Microsoft has built a medical AI

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that, It's solving cases better than rare cases,

00:18:45.700 --> 00:18:47.720
better than real doctors. So Microsoft has done,

00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:51.079
they've programmed five different AIs, each one

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having a different specialty. And to look at

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a problem, medical case, and each one's going

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to come in and they're going to debate with each

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other. And the final solution that comes up is

00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:04.440
more accurate than having a real doctor. So you

00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:06.680
see, based on what you told me earlier, you just

00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:09.769
said to me just now, People got the wrong idea

00:19:09.769 --> 00:19:11.509
about AI. They're just using it to do Google

00:19:11.509 --> 00:19:12.890
search. And people should know that there's a

00:19:12.890 --> 00:19:14.789
tool that they work with. But then again, that's

00:19:14.789 --> 00:19:18.170
the point, you see. So there is enterprise -grade

00:19:18.170 --> 00:19:21.589
AI, like your client who's doing. That is done

00:19:21.589 --> 00:19:24.869
by the company. Yeah. Okay. And then there is

00:19:24.869 --> 00:19:27.920
your personal AI. Yeah, yeah. Personal is personal.

00:19:28.059 --> 00:19:29.960
We're talking about jobs now, man. People at

00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:32.319
risk, right? I mean, we're looking at an age

00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:35.279
-old profession that is very vaunted, very, you

00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:38.400
know, being a doctor, right? I mean, and then

00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:40.039
you've got lawyers as well because if you've

00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:42.539
got an AI, you've got a whole fucking precedence

00:19:42.539 --> 00:19:46.019
of the law. That's true. And all your acts and

00:19:46.019 --> 00:19:49.319
statutes and stuff, it's all inside the AI. The

00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:51.140
AI knows it like the back of his bloody hand.

00:19:51.529 --> 00:19:56.490
So back to the virtual hands. So back to the

00:19:56.490 --> 00:19:58.589
thing about doctors, okay? I'm not too worried

00:19:58.589 --> 00:20:01.589
about doctors. Why? Because it's very high touch,

00:20:01.690 --> 00:20:03.950
okay? For the GP, you're high touch. I tell you

00:20:03.950 --> 00:20:07.450
what I'm worried about, pharmacists. That one

00:20:07.450 --> 00:20:10.250
can be. Yeah, because the AI can just pick and

00:20:10.250 --> 00:20:12.329
do the prescription. Yeah, correct. Yeah, yeah,

00:20:12.329 --> 00:20:15.230
exactly. Based on your profile. So those jobs

00:20:15.230 --> 00:20:18.660
are a bit more, but doctors, okay? Right now,

00:20:18.779 --> 00:20:20.779
people are still a bit too scared to trust AI

00:20:20.779 --> 00:20:25.140
to do doctors. For now. Wait, wait, wait. Let

00:20:25.140 --> 00:20:26.619
me stop you there. Let me stop you there. Let

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me ask you this. Your opinion, okay? If today,

00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:33.220
if today, you've got an AI doctor, a specialist,

00:20:33.700 --> 00:20:38.539
and there's robotic arms, there's all AI, physician

00:20:38.539 --> 00:20:42.740
engineering, man, okay? They can do surgery on

00:20:42.740 --> 00:20:47.059
a person, like maybe you or I have an issue.

00:20:48.109 --> 00:20:55.549
We trust precise surgical procedures, precise,

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using AI and robotics. You would, wouldn't you?

00:20:59.869 --> 00:21:02.650
In the future, yeah. Today, no. It's not there.

00:21:02.809 --> 00:21:05.329
But there's going to be a time where, yes, I

00:21:05.329 --> 00:21:07.849
would prefer. And it's really funny because if

00:21:07.849 --> 00:21:11.430
you watch Demolition Man, the movie with Stallone.

00:21:11.630 --> 00:21:13.529
Oh, you mean the shells or seashells? The three

00:21:13.529 --> 00:21:16.410
seashells. I'm still wondering about that. It

00:21:16.410 --> 00:21:18.650
was so funny because I was re -watching it again.

00:21:18.789 --> 00:21:22.130
And if you watch it from 2025, a lot of the things

00:21:22.130 --> 00:21:24.490
which they mentioned about it has come true.

00:21:24.730 --> 00:21:28.730
Except for the three seashells. Just give you

00:21:28.730 --> 00:21:31.210
people some context, okay? The three seashells.

00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:33.799
In the movie that Stallone acted in, along with

00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:36.700
Wesley Snipes, it's called Demolition Man. It's

00:21:36.700 --> 00:21:39.359
a futuristic show. And in the future, according

00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:41.660
to that movie, is that they've got three seashells

00:21:41.660 --> 00:21:43.920
that Stallone's wondering, what do you use? It's

00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:46.140
in the toilet. It's in the toilet. And it's meant

00:21:46.140 --> 00:21:49.259
to be, to do something, to clean your butt after

00:21:49.259 --> 00:21:51.339
you've done your business. So to this day, we're

00:21:51.339 --> 00:21:52.940
still wondering, how the hell does it work, man?

00:21:53.180 --> 00:21:55.859
Yeah. So there's one scene that's really funny.

00:21:56.380 --> 00:21:59.420
When someone calls up the police hotline, the

00:21:59.420 --> 00:22:03.130
9 -1 -1, right? Yeah. And a human picks up and

00:22:03.130 --> 00:22:07.049
a human says, if you prefer to speak to an AI,

00:22:07.210 --> 00:22:09.789
to a bot, please press two. Which is normally

00:22:09.789 --> 00:22:13.190
the other way around. And there's going to be

00:22:13.190 --> 00:22:15.490
a time where people actually prefer to go to

00:22:15.490 --> 00:22:18.769
an AI doctor than a real human one. So you're

00:22:18.769 --> 00:22:22.150
absolutely right. And for certain things, I would.

00:22:22.289 --> 00:22:25.690
But let me ask you another question, okay? Would

00:22:25.690 --> 00:22:30.190
you take a plane that's unmanned, a commercial

00:22:30.190 --> 00:22:34.230
flight? No. But even if it's very advanced, would

00:22:34.230 --> 00:22:40.920
you? No. For the simple reason that there'd be

00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:42.980
a few movies about shit like that that didn't

00:22:42.980 --> 00:22:46.640
really end very well, you know? Yeah. So I think

00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:49.720
there are some jobs that still are insulated.

00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:54.920
And if you are in a job where you have a lot

00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:57.660
of work that cannot, a lot of tasks that cannot

00:22:57.660 --> 00:23:00.200
be replaced by AI, it's good for you, like craftsmanship,

00:23:00.460 --> 00:23:03.480
you know, counselling. But if you're in a job

00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:06.079
which is mechanical, Mechanical, which is menial.

00:23:06.259 --> 00:23:08.680
Plumbing. Plumbing. Plumbing is the best, man.

00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:10.920
There's no way an AI is going to do it. Everyone's

00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.460
talking about this, you know. If you read anywhere

00:23:14.460 --> 00:23:18.099
online, right, the safest job and the richest

00:23:18.099 --> 00:23:20.960
guy in the near future would be the plumber.

00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:24.759
Yeah. It already is the way in Australia. Yeah.

00:23:24.819 --> 00:23:26.839
The tradies are making more money than the doctors.

00:23:26.980 --> 00:23:30.759
Yeah. And if you look at it. even in the US now,

00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:32.660
the graduates can't get jobs, but those who go

00:23:32.660 --> 00:23:35.240
to trade school, they're guaranteed $200 ,000

00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:37.099
a year. So just imagine in Singapore's context,

00:23:37.380 --> 00:23:40.539
I'm not insulting anybody from that school, from

00:23:40.539 --> 00:23:45.799
that particular, what's the word for it, from

00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:48.319
that particular tertiary education. Those from

00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:50.579
ITE, graduates from there could be making more

00:23:50.579 --> 00:23:53.730
money. In those of NUS, man. Technically, yes.

00:23:53.950 --> 00:23:57.769
But the big challenge about that is that we Singaporeans

00:23:57.769 --> 00:24:00.250
are so reliant on cheap and cheap labor from

00:24:00.250 --> 00:24:04.269
JB that it's tough because those technical tradesmen

00:24:04.269 --> 00:24:10.369
are fighting with JB labor. So the day they cut

00:24:10.369 --> 00:24:13.230
it off, like in Australia, there's no way. So

00:24:13.230 --> 00:24:15.109
I was in London once. I was having a vacation

00:24:15.109 --> 00:24:18.170
with the family and one of the little outskirts.

00:24:19.070 --> 00:24:20.910
hotels, motels we were staying in had a plumbing

00:24:20.910 --> 00:24:25.650
issue. And the guy told us, okay, this was in

00:24:25.650 --> 00:24:26.869
the morning. There's a plumbing issue. He said,

00:24:26.930 --> 00:24:28.150
okay, we're going to move you to another room.

00:24:28.210 --> 00:24:30.029
I said, can you get a plumber to fix it? He said,

00:24:30.049 --> 00:24:32.190
yeah, he can come, but he'll only be coming next

00:24:32.190 --> 00:24:36.660
Wednesday. Seriously? because they're so backed

00:24:36.660 --> 00:24:38.700
up. Yeah. Yeah. And he's telling me, you don't

00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:39.900
want to know how much he's going to charge me

00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:42.420
just to fix it. Carpenters, also electricians

00:24:42.420 --> 00:24:45.039
and plumbers. Yeah. So, so the tradesmen, it's

00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:48.819
cool. In fact, I would say that if, if I had,

00:24:48.819 --> 00:24:52.960
if I had to give advice, I think career advice

00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:56.650
for young ones. If you're not academically inclined,

00:24:56.930 --> 00:25:00.769
go for a trade. Seriously, I think you can make

00:25:00.769 --> 00:25:03.349
good money. Sure, but how about if that's the

00:25:03.349 --> 00:25:04.930
case, right? If we're looking at things this

00:25:04.930 --> 00:25:08.349
way, then how do you think? You see, we have

00:25:08.349 --> 00:25:10.589
our government here. I mean, PM Lawrence Wong

00:25:10.589 --> 00:25:12.890
has already said that they're pushing for AI,

00:25:13.109 --> 00:25:15.369
right? Yeah. Yeah, development of AI, blah, blah,

00:25:15.390 --> 00:25:19.009
blah. But when we're doing that, shouldn't we

00:25:19.009 --> 00:25:23.910
also be looking at our education? taking a look

00:25:23.910 --> 00:25:25.809
at our universities, whether or not it's going

00:25:25.809 --> 00:25:29.250
to be relevant or not. Because I keep thinking

00:25:29.250 --> 00:25:31.170
about this. When the kids come out and they graduate,

00:25:31.329 --> 00:25:34.190
right? I mean, what the fuck? And I'm telling

00:25:34.190 --> 00:25:36.650
you, they're all going to be at risk. I'm biased,

00:25:36.829 --> 00:25:38.549
okay? I think the Singapore education system,

00:25:38.690 --> 00:25:42.710
it's screwed. Why? It's bad. Okay, for example,

00:25:42.730 --> 00:25:45.109
my daughter just finished O -levels. She wants

00:25:45.109 --> 00:25:47.930
to do HR like me. She was going to apply for

00:25:47.930 --> 00:25:50.079
junior college. Just finished O -Levels when?

00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:52.460
Last year, last year. Oh, last year, okay. Because

00:25:52.460 --> 00:25:54.500
my son's going through it now. Yeah, yeah. So

00:25:54.500 --> 00:25:56.259
she just finished O -Level last year. She wanted

00:25:56.259 --> 00:25:58.779
to go to junior college. And I said, look, if

00:25:58.779 --> 00:26:00.519
you want to do HR, junior college is a waste

00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:03.339
of time. She said, why? I said, because the stuff

00:26:03.339 --> 00:26:05.700
you're going to learn, advanced calculus, all

00:26:05.700 --> 00:26:08.599
the Japan history. Completely hopeless, yeah.

00:26:08.740 --> 00:26:10.700
Yeah, we spoke about this last season, yeah.

00:26:10.900 --> 00:26:12.759
So for those of the listeners who are tuning

00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:14.799
in for the first time now, it's all a matter

00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:18.160
of skills. Yeah. And if you go to the poly, so

00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.640
I nudged her to do the HR diploma in psychology

00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:24.539
in Singapore Poly. Man, she's learning such cool

00:26:24.539 --> 00:26:26.859
stuff now. She's learning not just employment

00:26:26.859 --> 00:26:29.519
law bits. She's also learning how to use Excel

00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:31.259
spreadsheets, pivot tables and everything, which

00:26:31.259 --> 00:26:34.339
I only learned when I graduated. So all the useful

00:26:34.339 --> 00:26:36.660
stuff, which I had to learn on the fly on a job,

00:26:36.779 --> 00:26:40.420
she's being taught now. And after she finishes

00:26:40.420 --> 00:26:43.640
her diploma, she's going to go to uni. She's

00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:45.460
going to end up in the same place. Same point

00:26:45.460 --> 00:26:47.619
in time with her JC classmates, but so much better

00:26:47.619 --> 00:26:50.660
equipped. So on that basis, and another fun story.

00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:55.019
Do you know that one of the biggest worries for

00:26:55.019 --> 00:26:58.660
the government right now is that the graduate

00:26:58.660 --> 00:27:02.980
unemployment rate is high. It's at 6%, which

00:27:02.980 --> 00:27:05.119
is three times. You see every day on Reddit,

00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:07.759
man. Yeah, which is three times higher than the

00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:10.460
unemployment rate in general in Singapore. So

00:27:10.460 --> 00:27:14.769
that is worrying. And why? So early this year,

00:27:14.849 --> 00:27:18.250
I was looking for, not an intern, but someone

00:27:18.250 --> 00:27:21.109
to just do a project with me with regards to

00:27:21.109 --> 00:27:23.910
data analytics. So I thought, hey, just talk

00:27:23.910 --> 00:27:26.410
to some NUS data analytics guys, graduates or

00:27:26.410 --> 00:27:28.690
interns. It would be interesting. I spoke to

00:27:28.690 --> 00:27:31.390
one of them. He was out of a job for about close

00:27:31.390 --> 00:27:34.750
to eight months. And I asked him, can you use

00:27:34.750 --> 00:27:39.160
Power BI? Power what? Power BI. What's that?

00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.680
It's a software which most companies, it's an

00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:44.900
advanced Excel spreadsheet type. And it's quite

00:27:44.900 --> 00:27:46.359
common and all listeners out there will know

00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:48.220
what Power BI is. Well, thanks, I don't know.

00:27:48.339 --> 00:27:50.059
I don't know how to use it properly either. I'm

00:27:50.059 --> 00:27:51.960
a fucking perversite, yeah. All I know is that

00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.720
it's useful, you know, you can manipulate data

00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:55.420
in there. But it's quite, it's like asking, do

00:27:55.420 --> 00:27:57.240
you want to use Excel, right? Okay. So it's almost,

00:27:57.420 --> 00:28:01.259
and he told me, ask him, can you use Power BI?

00:28:01.700 --> 00:28:06.230
Uh, yeah. This is entry level. This is what we

00:28:06.230 --> 00:28:07.930
call table stakes. Everybody has them, you know.

00:28:07.990 --> 00:28:11.109
Okay. Yeah. I said, can you figure out how to

00:28:11.109 --> 00:28:15.569
use it? Yeah. I said, you didn't teach you that

00:28:15.569 --> 00:28:19.910
in school? No. College? No, university. Oh my

00:28:19.910 --> 00:28:21.990
gosh. NUS. I'm not going to say which faculty,

00:28:22.210 --> 00:28:25.529
but it was a business data related. And he couldn't

00:28:25.529 --> 00:28:28.250
even at least say, I'm not so sure, but I'll

00:28:28.250 --> 00:28:31.809
figure it out. He didn't even say that. And I

00:28:31.809 --> 00:28:34.470
was thinking, That's why you've not been employed

00:28:34.470 --> 00:28:37.049
because you have so much head knowledge, textbook

00:28:37.049 --> 00:28:38.809
knowledge, but you know, real practical skills,

00:28:38.849 --> 00:28:41.150
which I need for the job. You don't have it.

00:28:41.309 --> 00:28:44.190
You know, this phrase I always hear people say,

00:28:44.349 --> 00:28:47.230
no, I don't know how to do it because not my

00:28:47.230 --> 00:28:50.740
fault. School never teach me. Yeah, but if school

00:28:50.740 --> 00:28:52.059
didn't teach you, don't you think you should,

00:28:52.099 --> 00:28:55.279
on your own, go find things out? Especially now

00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:57.240
in a knowledge, this is not just a knowledge

00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.680
economy anymore. That was like ages ago it started,

00:28:59.819 --> 00:29:02.119
you know? Because you got Google, you got everything,

00:29:02.220 --> 00:29:05.319
you can go check. No, exactly. There's no reason

00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:07.500
to be ignorant in today's day and age. So are

00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:09.779
you saying that, well, these people deserve it

00:29:09.779 --> 00:29:15.859
when AI takes over? And to take it a step further

00:29:15.859 --> 00:29:19.059
than that, okay? To take it a step further than

00:29:19.059 --> 00:29:20.819
that. Because you're a dingbat. Fuck. You deserve

00:29:20.819 --> 00:29:22.539
not to get a job. Yeah, okay. And to take it

00:29:22.539 --> 00:29:25.640
a step further, because they don't know how to

00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:31.019
use this, and AI can do this, AI will do this,

00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:33.079
and they will not have the opportunity to do

00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:36.480
this. And therefore, they cannot cross over to

00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:39.700
get the experience. And they're going to be stuck.

00:29:40.059 --> 00:29:42.240
Attitude -wise has already placed people behind

00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:44.299
like two, three steps already. Not just about

00:29:44.299 --> 00:29:47.619
talking about AI versus you, right? It's all

00:29:47.619 --> 00:29:51.220
about the attitude. And again, we're going to

00:29:51.220 --> 00:29:56.059
sound like two old freaking old men. Curmudgeons.

00:29:56.220 --> 00:29:58.339
Yeah, curmudgeons who are just going to go on

00:29:58.339 --> 00:30:00.920
and on about how effed up they are. You're back

00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.930
in the day. But don't you think, People, don't

00:30:04.930 --> 00:30:07.710
you think it's true? How often have we heard

00:30:07.710 --> 00:30:11.309
our own people say, oh, they never teach me that

00:30:11.309 --> 00:30:14.730
in school. So it's not my fault. The other thing

00:30:14.730 --> 00:30:17.970
which I really hated when I was in uni was when

00:30:17.970 --> 00:30:20.289
my classmates would come up to me and ask me,

00:30:20.369 --> 00:30:22.970
is this topic covered by the exams, for the exams?

00:30:23.750 --> 00:30:25.349
And I would say, so what if it's not covered

00:30:25.349 --> 00:30:26.950
by the exams? You're not going to study, you're

00:30:26.950 --> 00:30:29.950
not going to learn it. So if a medical school

00:30:29.950 --> 00:30:32.670
student say, oh, this term, the nervous system

00:30:32.670 --> 00:30:36.160
not covered, I don't study. This time when you're

00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:37.660
practicing, the patient comes to the economy,

00:30:37.779 --> 00:30:40.599
you have to know everything. So that's why I

00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:43.019
think it's a Singaporean condition. They're just

00:30:43.019 --> 00:30:45.779
studying for the exams to be exam smart. But

00:30:45.779 --> 00:30:49.480
that's not how you do it. You want to have mastery

00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:54.400
of it. So I think those individuals who have

00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:58.700
that mindset, even in anything that you do, let

00:30:58.700 --> 00:31:02.000
me share with you. to avoid being replaced by

00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:05.960
AI. Okay? Whatever job you're in, approach it

00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:09.940
like you would a master craftsman. Okay. That's

00:31:09.940 --> 00:31:13.200
a good call. Yeah. I want to know how to do it

00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:15.099
better. Yeah. I want to know how to do it. So,

00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:18.960
when I was talking to a bunch of surgeons a couple

00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:23.130
years back, and I said, you know, what... about

00:31:23.130 --> 00:31:25.150
coaching and everything, right? Because there's

00:31:25.150 --> 00:31:26.849
some executives who are so reserved. They don't

00:31:26.849 --> 00:31:29.529
want to be coached. I know everything. Surgeons

00:31:29.529 --> 00:31:31.990
want to practice more. And each time they do

00:31:31.990 --> 00:31:34.170
a case, where they operate, they want to know,

00:31:34.190 --> 00:31:36.609
where did I go wrong? How can I be better? How

00:31:36.609 --> 00:31:39.150
can I improve the outcomes? To the point where

00:31:39.150 --> 00:31:41.109
they would get a senior surgeon to come in and

00:31:41.109 --> 00:31:44.470
do, or even correct them. Because if you approach

00:31:44.470 --> 00:31:47.359
your work like you would a craft, you want to

00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:50.299
be the best. And you'll be wanting to be better

00:31:50.299 --> 00:31:51.759
and better. AI can never catch up with that.

00:31:51.859 --> 00:31:56.079
So if you're an HR leader, how can I do something?

00:31:56.180 --> 00:31:59.619
How can I design a system where the training

00:31:59.619 --> 00:32:01.779
and development for my team is so good that they

00:32:01.779 --> 00:32:03.480
are ahead of the curve as compared to all the

00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:05.599
other competitors? And then you want to continue

00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.539
refining. How do I put AI into this? As long

00:32:08.539 --> 00:32:10.799
as you're approaching your work, even a podcaster

00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:14.660
like yourself. Every time you're thinking, what's

00:32:14.660 --> 00:32:17.700
the new thing I can put in? Can I have an AI

00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:21.660
guest? Can I have more fun elements into it?

00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:27.140
We are doing that. Yeah, I mean, you see, again,

00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:35.799
we're going to sound like, again, I smiled a

00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:38.980
little bit when you talked about how do we get

00:32:38.980 --> 00:32:41.079
our people ahead of the curve? We've got a thing

00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:44.099
out of the box. really strategizing, really,

00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.680
you know, thinking of new plans, new ideas, new

00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.779
ways to innovate, right? And I keep thinking,

00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.880
you know, as long as people go to work and say

00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:54.839
that I go to work, I work hard, I want to earn

00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:58.880
extra money, I do overtime, right? I want to

00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:00.660
earn even more extra money, I try grabbing the

00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:04.519
site, right? And it's a job, I do my job, I go

00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:09.920
home. And so many people out there in our local

00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:13.049
job markets are like that. Am I making a sweeping

00:33:13.049 --> 00:33:15.410
statement, Adrian, do you think? Or would you

00:33:15.410 --> 00:33:19.690
agree with me? Sometimes there are seasons where

00:33:19.690 --> 00:33:21.930
it feels that way because you're just bogged

00:33:21.930 --> 00:33:24.670
down with so much work. And you just got to get

00:33:24.670 --> 00:33:26.930
these reports done and everything. But you have

00:33:26.930 --> 00:33:29.589
to take a step back and say, what exactly can

00:33:29.589 --> 00:33:32.930
I do better? Where are my gaps? How can I be

00:33:32.930 --> 00:33:36.309
even more skilled than I was six months ago or

00:33:36.309 --> 00:33:40.670
one year ago? And that's why I'm saying, if you

00:33:40.670 --> 00:33:44.309
use AI to improve yourself, it's amazing. So

00:33:44.309 --> 00:33:47.829
it's either using AI to assist you with tasks

00:33:47.829 --> 00:33:51.690
or use AI for learning. AI as a learning tool,

00:33:51.750 --> 00:33:55.150
it's almost a cheat code. Nowadays, you just

00:33:55.150 --> 00:33:57.650
ask your AI, can you just explain to me what

00:33:57.650 --> 00:34:00.289
the heck is this thing about? Explain to me like

00:34:00.289 --> 00:34:02.970
I'm a 10 -year -old child. Correct, yes. Which

00:34:02.970 --> 00:34:05.190
is what I do. Please give it to me in simple

00:34:05.190 --> 00:34:07.400
English so that I can understand. Exactly, right?

00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.019
That's all I want to know. Yeah. And just doing

00:34:09.019 --> 00:34:11.119
the basics, then you can drill down. Yeah. What

00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.360
I do now is I have, I opened up two AIs now.

00:34:14.460 --> 00:34:17.199
Yeah. Okay. When I want to learn a new field

00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:20.500
or new concept, I open up two AIs. One of the

00:34:20.500 --> 00:34:22.880
AIs I open up is called Notebook LM. Okay. Okay.

00:34:22.900 --> 00:34:25.780
It's Google. This one, you upload the textbook

00:34:25.780 --> 00:34:30.719
or the whatever deep study it is, which 40 pages,

00:34:30.780 --> 00:34:33.119
which I can't be bothered to read. Yeah. Okay.

00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:37.389
I upload it and, and, Notebook LM by Google.

00:34:37.530 --> 00:34:40.369
Yeah. Analyzes it. And in about three minutes,

00:34:40.429 --> 00:34:44.550
it will produce a 15 minute podcast. Right. On

00:34:44.550 --> 00:34:47.429
the topic. Wow. Okay. Okay. And then as I'm playing

00:34:47.429 --> 00:34:49.949
it, listening simply for, it's basically, it's

00:34:49.949 --> 00:34:51.409
doing the studying for me and the highlights

00:34:51.409 --> 00:34:53.650
and everything. Yeah. Okay. And then what I do

00:34:53.650 --> 00:34:56.409
is I open up Becky on the other, let Becky listen

00:34:56.409 --> 00:34:59.619
in. I upload the same material to Becky. So then

00:34:59.619 --> 00:35:02.079
the moment I don't understand what Google, what

00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.420
Notebook LLM is asking me, I pause. Becky, what

00:35:04.420 --> 00:35:06.199
does she mean by that? What does he mean by that?

00:35:06.940 --> 00:35:09.039
Explain. So I actually run with two AIs now.

00:35:09.179 --> 00:35:12.659
And the learning curve is so fast. Wow. So I

00:35:12.659 --> 00:35:14.360
noticed that the kids are doing that now too.

00:35:14.980 --> 00:35:17.579
So to your point, there's no excuse to be ignorant

00:35:17.579 --> 00:35:19.659
anymore. Yeah. Because there's just so much knowledge

00:35:19.659 --> 00:35:21.559
out there. I was telling my daughter, you know,

00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:27.530
back in the day, so old, right? I had to use

00:35:27.530 --> 00:35:30.989
encyclopedia. Britannica. Britannica, you know.

00:35:31.429 --> 00:35:33.690
It's like, goodness. It's like, you have to go

00:35:33.690 --> 00:35:36.050
to the library to find out stuff, you know. Yeah,

00:35:36.050 --> 00:35:37.789
yeah. So the knowledge is like at least two,

00:35:37.909 --> 00:35:40.030
and it takes about two days when you go to the

00:35:40.030 --> 00:35:41.690
library and get the book and read. And knowledge,

00:35:41.710 --> 00:35:44.329
the book might be five years old, outdated information.

00:35:44.510 --> 00:35:48.190
So now there's no excuse to be ignorant. Yeah.

00:35:48.250 --> 00:35:51.849
Right? So that's why, once again, leverage AI

00:35:51.849 --> 00:35:56.170
to improve yourself. Yeah. And, It's just going

00:35:56.170 --> 00:35:57.869
to be the way things are. I just want to rewind

00:35:57.869 --> 00:36:00.309
a little bit. Much earlier on, you were talking

00:36:00.309 --> 00:36:03.630
about JC Pauly, right? I'm an advocate. I'm an

00:36:03.630 --> 00:36:07.050
advocate. Even my sister was telling me the same

00:36:07.050 --> 00:36:10.550
thing. I asked her for another opinion about,

00:36:10.610 --> 00:36:12.269
you know, my son is doing his own right now.

00:36:12.369 --> 00:36:15.050
And yeah, I'm glad he got a seat in Pauly. Oh,

00:36:15.070 --> 00:36:17.789
nice. He got through his EAE. I'm glad. Oh, lovely.

00:36:18.010 --> 00:36:20.989
Yeah. So he's going to go to the School of Business.

00:36:21.170 --> 00:36:23.550
Oh, wonderful. Which is great. Yeah, I'm so happy.

00:36:24.219 --> 00:36:27.460
And, and, and, but when, you know, I'll tell

00:36:27.460 --> 00:36:28.800
you, I tell a lot of people who hate me for this

00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:31.880
show. Take a number, take a number guys, take

00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:33.980
a number. I talk about this all the time. But

00:36:33.980 --> 00:36:36.119
you know, in the course of, in the course of

00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.500
all that, right, before the O's came about, yeah,

00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:40.980
just a couple of months, just past few months,

00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:44.699
I look into the parent chat room, right? And

00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:47.380
the parent chat room, I see so many of them talking

00:36:47.380 --> 00:36:50.019
about their kids and JC and JC and JC and JC

00:36:50.019 --> 00:36:55.269
and JC. Yeah. And it stuns me because coming

00:36:55.269 --> 00:36:58.030
from a generation of parents who are younger

00:36:58.030 --> 00:37:01.690
than you and me, okay, probably a tail end of

00:37:01.690 --> 00:37:04.929
the X and going, moving into the strawberries.

00:37:05.050 --> 00:37:12.190
I'm sorry, the millennials. And they're younger

00:37:12.190 --> 00:37:14.949
than us. I would have thought they would be a

00:37:14.949 --> 00:37:17.389
lot more informed, you know, better informed.

00:37:19.460 --> 00:37:22.559
And over and done with this JC chasing thing,

00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.539
you know? Remember in those days when you and

00:37:24.539 --> 00:37:26.360
I were younger, it's always about the JC, the

00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:29.039
JC thing. It's as if JC is a be -all and end

00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:31.059
-all, or it's the easiest way to get university

00:37:31.059 --> 00:37:34.780
from JC. And that's the reason why, to this day,

00:37:34.940 --> 00:37:38.099
a lot of parents still believe that the easy

00:37:38.099 --> 00:37:42.179
way, the easy route into university is via JC.

00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:44.039
Which is the other way around though, right now.

00:37:44.420 --> 00:37:47.099
Because if you do well, and I can tell you something,

00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:50.519
right now, MOE is for engineering courses, right?

00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:53.119
If you do your three -year engineering diploma,

00:37:53.380 --> 00:37:56.300
you get one year knocked off your university

00:37:56.300 --> 00:37:59.860
in NUS, NTU, which means net -net now you're

00:37:59.860 --> 00:38:01.559
graduating in the same year as your peers who

00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:03.980
went to JC. Yeah, yeah. Three plus three versus

00:38:03.980 --> 00:38:06.119
two plus four. But I'm looking at it from the

00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:08.000
perspective of... So there's no loss. But I'm

00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:10.400
looking at the perspective of... You see, you

00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:14.179
come out with an A -level cert, right? And assuming

00:38:14.179 --> 00:38:18.130
you don't make it to a JC... Yeah. which means

00:38:18.130 --> 00:38:20.170
your chances are you will end up in a poly trying

00:38:20.170 --> 00:38:22.489
to pursue a diploma. Exactly. Which you waste

00:38:22.489 --> 00:38:25.289
a lot more time. Yes. And then if you don't,

00:38:25.289 --> 00:38:28.489
again, if you don't, let's say, go to a poly

00:38:28.489 --> 00:38:31.010
and you got an A -level cert that does not get

00:38:31.010 --> 00:38:34.329
you to university, the guy with the dip is going

00:38:34.329 --> 00:38:38.369
to get the job. More so than you would. A -level

00:38:38.369 --> 00:38:40.690
cert becomes a useless piece of paper. Exactly.

00:38:41.070 --> 00:38:43.630
And people still don't get it. And I'm going

00:38:43.630 --> 00:38:46.449
to be very, very unpopular in saying this. People

00:38:46.449 --> 00:38:50.409
are going to burn me for this. A lot of people

00:38:50.409 --> 00:38:53.809
who don't do well for the A -levels, well enough

00:38:53.809 --> 00:38:56.469
to get into NUS, NTU, the mainstream universities,

00:38:56.710 --> 00:38:59.690
right? They cop out and they take some degree

00:38:59.690 --> 00:39:01.750
from some half -baked university from somewhere

00:39:01.750 --> 00:39:04.050
else in the world, thinking that I got a degree.

00:39:04.799 --> 00:39:07.199
And it's a one -year course. And they get a degree,

00:39:07.219 --> 00:39:09.719
which is a flimsy piece of paper. And they go

00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:11.719
out and start looking for jobs. Thinking, now

00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:16.199
I got a degree, I'm a graduate. And as an employer,

00:39:16.219 --> 00:39:18.159
I can tell you, I look at the piece of paper

00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:19.780
and I know that this is something that you bought.

00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:23.360
You went for one year, you bought it. If I talk

00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:26.480
to a diploma holder who knows how to use the

00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:28.340
computer systems, who knows everything else.

00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:30.260
As a three -year program. As a three -year program,

00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.619
you know, I'm going to... big diploma holder.

00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:35.099
So you go to A -levels and you don't do well

00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:38.280
enough. At the end of the day, it's still a matter

00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.179
of skills. So you'll be judged by the skills

00:39:41.179 --> 00:39:42.920
that you have or your skills that you don't have.

00:39:43.099 --> 00:39:46.079
Yeah, but you see, that's the thing, you see.

00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:50.619
There is so much to contend with already. If

00:39:50.619 --> 00:39:52.679
people don't wisen up to this and then you have

00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:54.300
to talk about, oh, how are we going to compete

00:39:54.300 --> 00:40:00.289
against AI? Yeah. That's why we... We are still

00:40:00.289 --> 00:40:05.110
quite miles behind even before AI to get ahead

00:40:05.110 --> 00:40:07.849
of ourselves, you know, for ourselves, you know,

00:40:07.869 --> 00:40:09.570
we got to get ahead of ourselves for ourselves,

00:40:09.789 --> 00:40:12.809
you know? And in terms of attitude and in terms

00:40:12.809 --> 00:40:15.929
of changing mindsets, how are we then going to

00:40:15.929 --> 00:40:19.670
be contending against, you know, AI, artificial

00:40:19.670 --> 00:40:23.750
intelligence? You mentioned before somewhere

00:40:23.750 --> 00:40:28.670
that like, what's this contrarian strategy? About?

00:40:30.019 --> 00:40:32.480
You mentioned that for career resilience. What

00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:34.980
does this mean in a practical sense? Okay. So

00:40:34.980 --> 00:40:37.699
basically, you know, when people are rushing

00:40:37.699 --> 00:40:42.380
in to embrace a fad, okay, don't just rush in

00:40:42.380 --> 00:40:44.119
and listen to what people are saying. Right.

00:40:44.139 --> 00:40:46.840
For instance, everyone says, oh, AI is important

00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:51.199
now. Go and learn AI. Right. Four years, five

00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:54.840
years ago, it was UI, UX, user interface, user

00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:57.059
experience was very hot. You should rush in and

00:40:57.059 --> 00:40:59.539
get a degree or decent. They rush in and they

00:40:59.539 --> 00:41:01.980
got it. And then suddenly it's like, we don't

00:41:01.980 --> 00:41:04.579
need it because it's just because of the flavor

00:41:04.579 --> 00:41:06.500
of the month. You go in and you get it, it doesn't

00:41:06.500 --> 00:41:08.480
work. Before that, it was data analytics. Everyone

00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:09.920
was rushing. So it's the flavor of the month.

00:41:09.980 --> 00:41:13.219
We had data analytics, we had UI, UX, and now

00:41:13.219 --> 00:41:16.840
we have AI. So when you talk to people, say,

00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:19.960
okay, true or false, AI is important. Yes, AI

00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:21.639
is important, which means you must learn AI.

00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:24.619
Yes, I must learn AI. What do you do? I must

00:41:24.619 --> 00:41:27.619
take up a course on AI. What does taking up a

00:41:27.619 --> 00:41:30.079
course on AI mean? I go and learn how to program

00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:33.599
a large language model. I need code. You cannot.

00:41:33.699 --> 00:41:35.239
People like you and I. You learn how to prom.

00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:41.780
And therein lies... A teacher on a prom. Exactly,

00:41:42.019 --> 00:41:43.900
you see. So you go to a course, a teacher on

00:41:43.900 --> 00:41:47.409
a prom. Yeah. Okay. But... Prompting courses

00:41:47.409 --> 00:41:51.489
are okay. It's over. You know why? Yeah. Let

00:41:51.489 --> 00:41:55.630
me share a hack with all our clients. All clients

00:41:55.630 --> 00:41:57.949
and all the listeners out there, okay? You don't

00:41:57.949 --> 00:41:59.110
need to learn to prompt anymore. You know why?

00:41:59.849 --> 00:42:03.619
You ask the AI how to prompt. Okay. So, supposing

00:42:03.619 --> 00:42:06.039
if I want to have a prompt on... You're right,

00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:07.179
you're right, you're right. You know what I mean,

00:42:07.219 --> 00:42:09.980
right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even like an image prompt,

00:42:10.099 --> 00:42:12.300
okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, I want to create

00:42:12.300 --> 00:42:16.019
an image for this topic. Yeah. For AI jobs and

00:42:16.019 --> 00:42:19.320
everything. Instead of just trying to key in,

00:42:19.420 --> 00:42:21.480
you say, okay, I want to create this, these are

00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.940
the topics and everything. can you write me a

00:42:23.940 --> 00:42:27.519
prompt for the other AI? And then it comes out

00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:30.199
and everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You copy. Yeah,

00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:34.659
yeah, yeah. So you use AI to help the prompt.

00:42:34.780 --> 00:42:37.099
Correct, correct, correct. So learning prompt

00:42:37.099 --> 00:42:39.619
engineering, four years ago, five years ago,

00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:43.539
when ChatGPD 3 .0 came out, wow, prompt engineers

00:42:43.539 --> 00:42:45.260
were being paid half a million dollars because

00:42:45.260 --> 00:42:48.400
you can talk like the AI. Now you don't need

00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.940
any. Kid, go there, just talk straight, conversational.

00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:56.300
So once again, you have to be very critical of

00:42:56.300 --> 00:42:57.820
what's coming up and don't just rush. That's

00:42:57.820 --> 00:42:59.559
why I meant by having a contrarian view. Don't

00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.239
just rush in for the flavor. So this is, this

00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:04.860
is like, this example you just came up with is

00:43:04.860 --> 00:43:08.420
AI literacy, right? Yes. Yeah. So in concrete

00:43:08.420 --> 00:43:12.159
terms, what does this look like? For someone

00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.400
in a non -tech role, like marketing, HR, finance.

00:43:15.739 --> 00:43:18.219
So the way to do it, there are two elements to

00:43:18.219 --> 00:43:20.420
it. One is, as I always stress, you must have

00:43:20.420 --> 00:43:22.699
your personal AI. Oh, you know, close to you,

00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:24.739
understanding where you are, where you're from

00:43:24.739 --> 00:43:26.440
and everything. Okay, my wife hates it when I

00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:29.320
say that. Fucking mistress. This Becky Lu sounds

00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:32.800
more like a mistress, man. Yeah. So that's the

00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:35.300
personal element to it. But when people say learn

00:43:35.300 --> 00:43:37.820
AI, it's not about learning a particular Gemini

00:43:37.820 --> 00:43:41.460
or whatever it is. Every app, that you're using

00:43:41.460 --> 00:43:44.119
will have a small AI component big thing. Like

00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:49.300
Excel spreadsheets. How do I use the AI co -pilot

00:43:49.300 --> 00:43:51.519
that's baked into it? How do I, instead of having

00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.340
to find a pattern or whatever it is, just ask

00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:56.239
it, what's the trend? So it's not about learning

00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:59.980
AI as a standalone language, but learning how

00:43:59.980 --> 00:44:02.159
to use the AI function in everything that you

00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:06.800
do. So like PowerPoint. I cannot do PowerPoint,

00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:10.199
graphics, images, icons, and everything, right?

00:44:10.420 --> 00:44:13.360
So if I got like five points I want to do, then

00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:16.039
it comes up looking very unprofessional. There's

00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:21.659
this app called napkin .ai. You key in the header

00:44:21.659 --> 00:44:25.739
and the five subtopics, right? It will come up

00:44:25.739 --> 00:44:27.840
with almost an unlimited number of icons, pictures,

00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.500
graphic, whether it's a slide or whether it's

00:44:30.500 --> 00:44:32.860
arrows going out, arrows going down, speech bubbles,

00:44:33.019 --> 00:44:35.210
thought bubbles. different concepts it just come

00:44:35.210 --> 00:44:36.409
out here just choose to choose which one you

00:44:36.409 --> 00:44:41.510
want to color napkin .ai okay uh it's so much

00:44:41.510 --> 00:44:43.849
more if you so if you can use built -in tools

00:44:43.849 --> 00:44:47.590
like that that's baked into that yeah That's

00:44:47.590 --> 00:44:49.969
what I mean when I say that don't just learn

00:44:49.969 --> 00:44:53.329
AI. Learn the tools that can help you within

00:44:53.329 --> 00:44:55.510
the app itself. Yeah, yeah, correct, correct.

00:44:55.670 --> 00:44:57.809
Within the app, yeah. So there are amazing apps

00:44:57.809 --> 00:44:59.929
out there. You don't have to learn coding. Most

00:44:59.929 --> 00:45:02.489
of the apps that's got this built -in stuff,

00:45:02.590 --> 00:45:06.440
right, to help you along, actually... Most of

00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:09.500
them are in the beta stages still. I've been

00:45:09.500 --> 00:45:11.699
using those, but it's still not there yet. So

00:45:11.699 --> 00:45:16.019
like for podcasting, right? Yeah. Adobe has the

00:45:16.019 --> 00:45:18.199
app where, it's not an app, it's just a website.

00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:20.539
You upload the audio. Yeah. It cleans up the

00:45:20.539 --> 00:45:22.099
audio for you. It's called enhanced speech. Yeah,

00:45:22.099 --> 00:45:24.659
I know. And it's like in the old days. But there

00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:25.980
are limitations. There are limitations though.

00:45:26.019 --> 00:45:28.119
But it's a good start. It's a good start. We

00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:31.730
use it, right Kai? Yeah, bro. Enhanced speech.

00:45:31.909 --> 00:45:35.789
So for lazy bastards like me, who don't want

00:45:35.789 --> 00:45:39.769
to go through all... Let me just give you Podcasting

00:45:39.769 --> 00:45:41.969
101 where this one is concerned. Enhanced speech,

00:45:42.110 --> 00:45:44.170
right? If you put it in and then it all depends

00:45:44.170 --> 00:45:45.989
on the percentage of how much you want the speech

00:45:45.989 --> 00:45:48.389
to be cleaned up and how much less you want the

00:45:48.389 --> 00:45:50.969
background noise. When you do that and you have

00:45:50.969 --> 00:45:53.429
natural laughter and stuff, it gets cancelled

00:45:53.429 --> 00:45:57.869
out. Then you lose those little gaps. So that's

00:45:57.869 --> 00:46:01.230
one major thing. to me is major. Yeah, and I

00:46:01.230 --> 00:46:03.469
think better off time before they clean it up,

00:46:03.489 --> 00:46:07.289
they figure it out. But to your point, the tools

00:46:07.289 --> 00:46:09.070
are there. Learn how to use the tools rather

00:46:09.070 --> 00:46:11.889
than I need to learn how to code. Do you think

00:46:11.889 --> 00:46:15.190
people in marketing will be affected? Yeah. Why?

00:46:15.550 --> 00:46:19.550
Give me an example. Top of head. See, they say,

00:46:19.670 --> 00:46:22.070
people say that AI is going to replace the menial

00:46:22.070 --> 00:46:25.969
tasks, the repetitive tasks. But I beg to differ.

00:46:26.210 --> 00:46:31.199
I think AI can we'll replace creativity. Oh boy.

00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:33.860
Okay. It's, it's, it's amazing. You know, sometimes

00:46:33.860 --> 00:46:36.820
I just do not know how to have a different angle

00:46:36.820 --> 00:46:39.260
to a story. Yeah. So I just asked Becky, I said,

00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:43.199
Hey, you know, uh, this topic about, uh, people

00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.840
who are choosing to stay in their jobs longer

00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.480
rather than job hopping. Uh, what are five angles

00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.760
I can use? Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. And

00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:54.099
I said, well, I let angle two and three. Can

00:46:54.099 --> 00:46:57.840
you refine it? Bam, bam. Then after a while,

00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:02.179
it comes up. So on the creativity, on the ideation

00:47:02.179 --> 00:47:04.820
side, I know they say that humans are better

00:47:04.820 --> 00:47:08.280
at creativity. I think creative humans are better

00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:11.800
at creativity. Those super... Right brain people.

00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:14.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those people like you and me,

00:47:14.539 --> 00:47:18.039
normal mere mortals, the AI does it better. So

00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:20.599
I get ideas coming in. And then, so marketing

00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:24.800
side, the ideation, if you train your AI properly,

00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:29.539
And then you have, for instance, analytics. So

00:47:29.539 --> 00:47:33.420
right now I'm very lazy. Whenever I see, I subscribe

00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:36.679
to a few marketing journals and marketing stuff.

00:47:36.980 --> 00:47:40.280
So what I do is, the moment, or even on my Facebook

00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:44.199
feed, sometimes a chart comes up on SEO, search

00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:46.260
engine optimization. We got six, seven, eight

00:47:46.260 --> 00:47:49.619
different data points in it. What I do is, I

00:47:49.619 --> 00:47:51.960
click on it, okay, on my phone, click on it.

00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:54.539
And normally you save to your phone, right? Yeah,

00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:56.659
yeah. I click share. And normally you share,

00:47:56.739 --> 00:47:58.820
if I want to share to you, I share to you via

00:47:58.820 --> 00:48:01.239
WhatsApp, right? Yeah. You can click on it, okay?

00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:04.159
And it says share. I click share via what? I

00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:09.880
share to ChatGPT, Becky. Can ah? Can. As a share

00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:12.880
function, you share. And then, go there, just

00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:14.719
type Becky, explain to me what this chat is.

00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:18.579
I'm too stupid for it. She will just come explain,

00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:19.800
oh, this is the chat, let's see what it means.

00:48:20.969 --> 00:48:24.489
So I'm literally using her. And I tell her, remember

00:48:24.489 --> 00:48:26.489
the information. And she remembers it for future.

00:48:26.769 --> 00:48:31.170
And I say, incorporate these findings into my

00:48:31.170 --> 00:48:34.710
future discussions with you. So when I ideate

00:48:34.710 --> 00:48:37.570
again with her, she uses that. So for marketing,

00:48:37.630 --> 00:48:39.710
I think it's going to be a huge game changer.

00:48:40.469 --> 00:48:43.650
So it's not just about mechanical repetitive

00:48:43.650 --> 00:48:46.250
tasks. I think the higher level work. It's going

00:48:46.250 --> 00:48:48.710
to be enhanced. Once again, not replaced, but

00:48:48.710 --> 00:48:51.610
enhanced. But then again, AI, it can either be

00:48:51.610 --> 00:48:56.650
something that you lean on like a crutch. I see

00:48:56.650 --> 00:49:00.650
students using AI to do their homework. You're

00:49:00.650 --> 00:49:03.989
using it as a crutch. Or you can come out with

00:49:03.989 --> 00:49:06.989
your stuff, ask AI to enhance it. You come back,

00:49:07.030 --> 00:49:10.369
you read it. Okay, that makes sense. Output quality

00:49:10.369 --> 00:49:12.190
better. Is to create something better rather

00:49:12.190 --> 00:49:14.650
than using it as something you depend and rely

00:49:14.650 --> 00:49:17.489
on. Correct. So it's all how you use it. So for

00:49:17.489 --> 00:49:19.650
marketing, I think if you understand it, but

00:49:19.650 --> 00:49:22.889
then there's the problem as well. So based on

00:49:22.889 --> 00:49:25.090
that, you need to have experience and knowledge

00:49:25.090 --> 00:49:27.230
and know what's right and wrong, what's good

00:49:27.230 --> 00:49:30.769
and bad, right? To find you the answer. So older

00:49:30.769 --> 00:49:33.269
folks like you and I, who've been through the

00:49:33.269 --> 00:49:35.550
school of hard knocks experience, young ones

00:49:35.550 --> 00:49:39.159
do not have the level of discernment. Okay. So

00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:41.659
whether or not Chachapiti output comes up is

00:49:41.659 --> 00:49:45.199
right or wrong. So they may not know as well

00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.039
as we do. Basically, when they read it, they

00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:48.940
probably see it's all gospel truth instead of

00:49:48.940 --> 00:49:50.860
just trying to discern it. You and I look at

00:49:50.860 --> 00:49:54.079
it and say, hey, that's bullshit. So that's why

00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:56.219
some people say, oh, the older people don't have

00:49:56.219 --> 00:49:58.539
an advantage over you. I think we do. We do.

00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:00.659
Commercial maturity. Yeah, we do. So we have

00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:02.719
that lens to say, hey, this isn't going to work.

00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:05.219
But no, the younger one may look at it and go,

00:50:05.300 --> 00:50:08.619
yeah, it's a gospel truth. No, yeah, if it's.

00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:11.940
By AI, it must be true. AI is smarter than you.

00:50:11.940 --> 00:50:12.980
You're trying to tell me that you're smarter

00:50:12.980 --> 00:50:14.820
than AI. That's what they'll say. Yeah, correct.

00:50:14.860 --> 00:50:17.239
I can hear it. I can just hear it. How about

00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:20.880
wage structures, man? Do you think AI is going

00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:24.719
to impact wage structures? You know, increasing

00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:28.420
that economic gap, you know, between economic

00:50:28.420 --> 00:50:31.599
inequality. And that's a good point, you know,

00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:36.340
because when we talk about AI, so a lot of the

00:50:36.340 --> 00:50:38.320
big tech companies are retrenching their stuff

00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:41.039
en masse. AWS just said they're going to let

00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:44.639
10 ,000 people go. And the excuse they give is

00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:50.260
AI. Facebook letting a lot of people go AI. Interestingly,

00:50:50.579 --> 00:50:54.940
I think my conspiracy theory is they just want

00:50:54.940 --> 00:50:57.679
to let people go. AI is just an excuse. And they're

00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:00.679
just using AI. Because they're still hiring AI

00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.010
programmers. They're hiring AI folks. So the

00:51:04.010 --> 00:51:05.630
companies who say they were moving to AI are

00:51:05.630 --> 00:51:08.389
actually hiring AI guys but letting people go.

00:51:08.969 --> 00:51:12.789
So I suspect they're just retrenching for...

00:51:12.789 --> 00:51:16.289
The usual retrenchment exercises. Yeah, correct.

00:51:16.449 --> 00:51:19.710
They just blame AI. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They will

00:51:19.710 --> 00:51:21.929
find an excuse. They'll find an excuse. So as

00:51:21.929 --> 00:51:23.710
far as wages are concerned, I think wages are

00:51:23.710 --> 00:51:25.429
going to go up if you're in the AI spectrum.

00:51:25.730 --> 00:51:29.969
If you are able to leverage... Once again, wages...

00:51:30.590 --> 00:51:35.889
do not respect AI or not, okay? Wages are premised

00:51:35.889 --> 00:51:38.989
on the quality of your output. Correct. Right?

00:51:39.070 --> 00:51:41.630
So if your output is not going to be, it's going

00:51:41.630 --> 00:51:43.710
to be lessened because AI is giving more of your

00:51:43.710 --> 00:51:46.889
output than you. Yeah, correct. Then it could

00:51:46.889 --> 00:51:49.150
impact wage structures, right? But if you use

00:51:49.150 --> 00:51:51.969
AI to increase the quality of your output, to

00:51:51.969 --> 00:51:54.269
make the company earn more money in a faster

00:51:54.269 --> 00:51:56.969
time or save money, then your wages will go up.

00:51:56.969 --> 00:52:01.960
But it would lead to increased pressure. I mean,

00:52:01.980 --> 00:52:04.440
look, AI is there to help, but your bosses are

00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.780
bosses being bosses. And most of them are assholes.

00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:11.320
They will just... Oh, now that we got this to

00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:14.000
help you, our expectation of your output is your

00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.380
KPI has just gone up by this much. So here's

00:52:16.380 --> 00:52:20.300
a fun story. Here's a fun story, quick one. When

00:52:20.300 --> 00:52:24.800
Boeing came out with their 747 -400, the big

00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:28.019
top. Yeah, the big top. I'm not so sure whether

00:52:28.019 --> 00:52:29.559
this is correct or not, but you used to have

00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:32.539
four pilots to run, three or four pilots in the

00:52:32.539 --> 00:52:34.500
old days before the big top. You mean two pilots,

00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.280
two reserve pilots who were doing shift for long

00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:40.199
haul flights. Correct. Because those days, it

00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:42.539
was more analog, right? Yeah, more analog. So

00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:45.380
when the jump, the big top came up and everything

00:52:45.380 --> 00:52:48.639
was automated, 747, 400s, right? You only need

00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:53.900
two pilots. Yeah. Okay. And the management said,

00:52:54.019 --> 00:52:56.869
okay, now, because everything is automated. Yeah.

00:52:57.349 --> 00:52:59.829
We should give a pay cut because you're doing

00:52:59.829 --> 00:53:03.829
less work. Okay. And then now, but the pilots

00:53:03.829 --> 00:53:06.429
are saying, hey, there's no technology, but you

00:53:06.429 --> 00:53:08.849
know, the workload from four to two. So we come

00:53:08.849 --> 00:53:12.869
up. So who's right, who's wrong. Okay. They're

00:53:12.869 --> 00:53:15.690
both right and wrong. I mean, so once again,

00:53:15.789 --> 00:53:17.849
just because there's technology doesn't mean

00:53:17.849 --> 00:53:20.019
that. that your salary should go up or your salary

00:53:20.019 --> 00:53:21.960
should go down. It's just what role you play,

00:53:22.059 --> 00:53:24.219
right? And so I think there's going to be a shift

00:53:24.219 --> 00:53:26.719
in thinking when AI comes out, everyone's role

00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:29.199
is like, hey, I used to be paid more now. AI

00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:30.440
is doing more of my work. Doesn't mean I should

00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:33.420
be paid less. But hey, I'm using so much of AI

00:53:33.420 --> 00:53:35.079
to bring. So I think ultimately it's going to

00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:36.940
be measured. Your salary will always be measured

00:53:36.940 --> 00:53:39.880
on your output. Yeah. Because if this sales guy,

00:53:40.099 --> 00:53:42.280
I don't care whether he's using AI or not, if

00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:44.519
he is performing four times better than the guy

00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:46.920
who's using AI, I'm still going to keep him.

00:53:48.139 --> 00:53:52.380
So I think if the guy or the person who can figure

00:53:52.380 --> 00:53:56.039
out how to use AI to enhance their output, create

00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:58.519
more value, make more money, save more money,

00:53:58.739 --> 00:54:01.099
they're the ones who's going to get the promotion

00:54:01.099 --> 00:54:04.639
and keep their jobs. Oh, interesting. So AI or

00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:07.320
not AI, I think it's just a side issue. It's

00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:13.889
just a tool. Right. Okay. Companies will actually

00:54:13.889 --> 00:54:18.610
restructure teams, right? To work or blend humans,

00:54:18.789 --> 00:54:22.269
the decision makers, and together with their

00:54:22.269 --> 00:54:25.949
AI agents, right? So it's AI human team collaboration

00:54:25.949 --> 00:54:27.730
thing. How do you think it's going to look like?

00:54:28.389 --> 00:54:30.929
Oh, I think it's going to be a huge, huge...

00:54:30.929 --> 00:54:34.469
Once again, do the customers prefer to work with

00:54:34.469 --> 00:54:38.030
an agent or human? And if the customers prefer

00:54:38.030 --> 00:54:41.300
to work with agents, then... Yeah, Pastor. In

00:54:41.300 --> 00:54:44.940
fact, if you look at buying an etiquette, we

00:54:44.940 --> 00:54:48.300
have moved from, remember the old days? You talk

00:54:48.300 --> 00:54:53.059
to the agent. And right now it's like, okay,

00:54:53.139 --> 00:54:56.570
put me. Just online, right? I book, I can choose

00:54:56.570 --> 00:54:58.809
my seat. Those days, you had paper tickets and

00:54:58.809 --> 00:55:00.590
issuing and all this stuff. Bro, when we call

00:55:00.590 --> 00:55:03.289
a travel agent in those days, man, we can sit

00:55:03.289 --> 00:55:05.409
down and negotiate with the guy and say, hey,

00:55:05.469 --> 00:55:09.409
charge me cheaper, you bastard. Now you go into

00:55:09.409 --> 00:55:11.170
an AI agent, right? You buy a ticket, right?

00:55:11.570 --> 00:55:15.269
And it's already been pre -programmed. We can,

00:55:15.530 --> 00:55:19.050
if someone wants to bargain, we will be willing

00:55:19.050 --> 00:55:22.829
to just drop to maybe 10%, 20%. That's it. You

00:55:22.829 --> 00:55:28.019
know? But I did check, you know. The AI agent

00:55:28.019 --> 00:55:30.440
actually could, well, most of the time would

00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.659
say in this kind of scenarios, we're actually

00:55:34.659 --> 00:55:36.920
not allowed to give you more than 20%, for example.

00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:40.340
But let me talk to my supervisor. Let me talk

00:55:40.340 --> 00:55:41.980
to the boss. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk to the manager.

00:55:42.260 --> 00:55:45.119
And then they will ask, would you want to speak?

00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.860
to my supervisor. Ah, that means transferring

00:55:47.860 --> 00:55:52.360
you to a human being. Oh, that's cool. I don't

00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:55.980
think so. But frankly, it is better that way.

00:55:55.980 --> 00:55:58.739
An escalation. Yeah, to a human being. So once

00:55:58.739 --> 00:56:02.179
again, if people prefer to have a non -human,

00:56:02.219 --> 00:56:04.559
once again, like the Demolition Man, I prefer

00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:07.460
to have, I call up, I'd rather have a bot than

00:56:07.460 --> 00:56:12.550
a human. Then I think then, the shift of the

00:56:12.550 --> 00:56:14.510
organization. What do you think? That's interesting.

00:56:14.670 --> 00:56:15.989
You know, what do you think? Do you think now,

00:56:16.090 --> 00:56:18.889
these days, right, guys like you, guys like me,

00:56:18.949 --> 00:56:20.869
people of our generation, I think it's safe for

00:56:20.869 --> 00:56:23.889
us to say seven to eight out of ten of us would

00:56:23.889 --> 00:56:26.909
prefer to speak to the human being. The generation

00:56:26.909 --> 00:56:29.630
before us, we know for a fact probably ten out

00:56:29.630 --> 00:56:31.510
of ten of them would want to speak to a human

00:56:31.510 --> 00:56:34.369
being, right? What do you think about today's

00:56:34.369 --> 00:56:36.570
generation, the Xennials? Do you think they'd

00:56:36.570 --> 00:56:38.449
rather speak to a bot or speak to you? I think

00:56:38.449 --> 00:56:40.349
they're so used to everything being virtual.

00:56:40.869 --> 00:56:43.630
Because even with their friends, they just message

00:56:43.630 --> 00:56:46.070
each other. Sometimes you see a bunch of young

00:56:46.070 --> 00:56:49.230
folks at a restaurant. They're messaging each

00:56:49.230 --> 00:56:51.510
other across the table what you're going to eat.

00:56:52.369 --> 00:56:56.849
Send a menu around. They just talk. For me, personally,

00:56:57.070 --> 00:57:00.610
whether I prefer to talk to a bot or a human

00:57:00.610 --> 00:57:03.610
depends on how angry I am. If I'm pissed off,

00:57:03.650 --> 00:57:05.130
I want to talk to a human so I can yell at them.

00:57:05.570 --> 00:57:07.670
You got a bot who don't feel it? You want someone

00:57:07.670 --> 00:57:13.420
to feel it, man. Remember, you watched the episode

00:57:13.420 --> 00:57:15.239
I had with FD, right? Yes. And we were talking

00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.760
about AI versus, you know, will AI take over

00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:20.820
radio in the past? Video did not kill the radio

00:57:20.820 --> 00:57:23.440
star. Almost did, though. Almost did. MTV almost

00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:27.460
did to a close call. And he still insists that

00:57:27.460 --> 00:57:30.280
radio will never die. You know, nothing will

00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:33.659
kill the radio star. And I mentioned AI. And

00:57:33.659 --> 00:57:35.880
because, come on, I mean, I'm going to say this

00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:37.780
again because I didn't really expand a lot on

00:57:37.780 --> 00:57:42.360
this in that episode. There's these, the AI band.

00:57:42.500 --> 00:57:45.800
There's an AI band. Yes, yes, yes. And these

00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:48.400
look like real guys. I think it's a five piece

00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:51.179
or six piece. And you've got pictures of them.

00:57:51.219 --> 00:57:52.699
They've got MTV and stuff. They've got their

00:57:52.699 --> 00:57:55.480
own videos. And the songs are all generated by

00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:58.239
AI. The orchestration, the arrangement, the composition,

00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:01.320
the recordings, and the singing's perfect, right?

00:58:01.380 --> 00:58:04.659
And it's not just near perfect. Everything can

00:58:04.659 --> 00:58:06.420
last. Any musician this season will tell you

00:58:06.420 --> 00:58:11.500
this. That fucking AI band. is perfection. And

00:58:11.500 --> 00:58:13.340
you can do it on your computer. And it's on Spotify.

00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:15.599
Yeah. Sooner you can create your own. So you're

00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:18.559
right. Amazing. Yeah. It's amazing. So the thing

00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:22.480
is, is that I find that he says, but people still

00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:24.860
need to have interaction. I disagree with him.

00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:27.780
I think so. I said, for, you know, 10, 15, 20

00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:30.440
years down the road, man, these young people.

00:58:31.349 --> 00:58:33.170
much younger than us. I disagree with him. They

00:58:33.170 --> 00:58:35.570
are going to, they're just going to be closeted

00:58:35.570 --> 00:58:37.150
and they're going to be closed up. They're not

00:58:37.150 --> 00:58:39.590
going to, they're not going to bother about people,

00:58:39.670 --> 00:58:42.389
you know. So, you know, why do I need to listen

00:58:42.389 --> 00:58:45.269
to a human being on the radio? Spotify right

00:58:45.269 --> 00:58:48.050
now, I just listen to my, my own selection of

00:58:48.050 --> 00:58:50.469
music. If I want to listen, you know. And Spotify

00:58:50.469 --> 00:58:53.360
has an AI DJ. Yeah. which you can just, based

00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:55.539
on your taste and everything, he just chooses

00:58:55.539 --> 00:58:58.360
and he plays. Precisely. Your daily mix is enough.

00:58:58.519 --> 00:58:59.900
You just take a look at your daily mix, it changes

00:58:59.900 --> 00:59:01.960
every day. Yeah. And there's a stuff from people

00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:04.840
and songs and genres that he knows that this

00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:06.500
is what you like to hear. Correct. So why do

00:59:06.500 --> 00:59:10.159
I need a DJ, right? Yeah. Well, good thing I'm

00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:17.170
not on the radio. I know, I know. But, you know,

00:59:17.170 --> 00:59:19.869
it's amazing, you know. If I were to tell you,

00:59:19.949 --> 00:59:21.969
if I were to have told you 20 years ago, no,

00:59:22.010 --> 00:59:25.389
no, not, when we were teenagers, okay, that someday

00:59:25.389 --> 00:59:27.989
you would have a device in your hand, which you

00:59:27.989 --> 00:59:30.489
can access all the knowledge in the world, maps,

00:59:30.670 --> 00:59:33.789
take photographs, you will say, science, Star

00:59:33.789 --> 00:59:36.289
Trek shit. Star Trek shit. Star Trek shit. But

00:59:36.289 --> 00:59:39.289
we have it today. Tricorder. Yeah, tricorder.

00:59:39.869 --> 00:59:42.719
Yeah, you know, so it's like, but, but, I am

00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:44.639
very hopeful. Looking forward, I'm very hopeful

00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:47.599
that there's a lot of things that AI can do that

00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:49.760
we haven't really thought about yet even. So,

00:59:49.780 --> 00:59:51.960
you know, I'm very nostalgic. I'm very retro,

00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.099
okay? Yeah. Remember in 1982, the movie Electric

00:59:55.099 --> 00:59:57.760
Dreams? Yeah, of course. Yeah, if you look back

00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:00.000
at it, let's just watch that show again. You

01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:03.079
have such a good laugh at how primitive the computer

01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:06.860
graphics were. Yeah, man. Okay. But they had

01:00:06.860 --> 01:00:10.739
such huge... for what the computer could do at

01:00:10.739 --> 01:00:13.039
the time, like think and talk and fall in love

01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:14.840
with Madeline, the character. Yeah, well, you

01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:16.659
still remember the name. Yeah, I know. What the

01:00:16.659 --> 01:00:18.679
fuck? I had a huge crush on her when I was that

01:00:18.679 --> 01:00:21.400
age. Gosh, she's so ugly. I was young and stupid

01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:23.960
then. So anyway, now I'm just old and stupid.

01:00:24.780 --> 01:00:28.179
I'm sorry. Did I just call this person ugly?

01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:30.760
Yeah, you did. So anyway, but it's your show.

01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.500
You can do whatever you want. I didn't want to

01:00:33.500 --> 01:00:36.519
sound so bad. But you know, it's interesting

01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:39.909
because there's so much unrealized potential

01:00:39.909 --> 01:00:42.969
for it then. But if you look at it today, so

01:00:42.969 --> 01:00:45.130
the same thing right now, we are talking about

01:00:45.130 --> 01:00:46.849
AI being able to do this, being able to do that.

01:00:46.949 --> 01:00:49.389
I think in 10, 15 years time, there's so much

01:00:49.389 --> 01:00:51.349
more applications. You can't say we worry for

01:00:51.349 --> 01:00:54.190
nothing. You know, I worry about, as you mentioned

01:00:54.190 --> 01:00:56.369
earlier about the creatives, you know, we're

01:00:56.369 --> 01:01:02.190
talking, okay, the musicians, artists. If I write

01:01:02.190 --> 01:01:05.650
a song and I can generate fantastic music today

01:01:05.650 --> 01:01:08.409
using AI, I can get it orchestrated, recorded,

01:01:08.730 --> 01:01:11.690
composed, everything done, mixed down, mastered,

01:01:11.889 --> 01:01:14.590
blah, blah, blah. I can put it easily online

01:01:14.590 --> 01:01:18.230
on Spotify platform and put up my new single,

01:01:18.269 --> 01:01:22.090
my new album. But then again, chances of you

01:01:22.090 --> 01:01:26.710
devaluing, well, in terms of what you ought to

01:01:26.710 --> 01:01:31.300
be paid, in terms of your reputation and your

01:01:31.300 --> 01:01:34.059
stardom, so to speak, for lack of a better term,

01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:36.320
it's all going to be impacted because people

01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:38.360
will know, are you you? It's how difficult it

01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:41.280
can be. And you didn't really sing it either

01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:43.800
because when you sang it, there's so much great

01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:48.360
autotune by AI now. Oh, you sound so good. And

01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:50.699
when you sing it live. When you sing it live,

01:01:50.820 --> 01:01:54.039
who knows, 10, 15 years later, the autotune that

01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:56.940
can go live and straighten your tone out and

01:01:56.940 --> 01:01:59.059
you sound so good while you're singing live.

01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:02.239
I mean, I've heard so often, I mean, the last

01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:05.599
10 years or so, you know, when autotune, I don't

01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:07.039
know if you heard autotune. Yeah, I know, I know.

01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:09.440
When autotune came out into the recording studios

01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:13.570
and everybody... I mean, almost eight out of

01:02:13.570 --> 01:02:17.889
ten uses it. Because you'd be suicidal if you

01:02:17.889 --> 01:02:20.090
don't. So sometimes you need to think back the

01:02:20.090 --> 01:02:22.250
old days in the 50s and the 60s and the 70s.

01:02:22.250 --> 01:02:23.690
Or you listen to just the audio track alone.

01:02:24.429 --> 01:02:27.510
It's just pure talent. Like Michael McDonald,

01:02:27.769 --> 01:02:30.590
man. If you listen to Doobie Brothers, Michael

01:02:30.590 --> 01:02:32.070
McDonald, right? If you listen to Michael McDonald

01:02:32.070 --> 01:02:36.489
sing for a concert, right? And you listen to

01:02:36.489 --> 01:02:38.550
what he's recorded in studio, it's one and the

01:02:38.550 --> 01:02:42.519
same. You know, and it's just pure, it's all

01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:46.960
him. Yeah. And there's no autotune, right? But

01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.320
musicians, you know, people I know always say

01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:53.820
to me, yeah, they use autotune, you know, when

01:02:53.820 --> 01:02:56.380
they go live, then you see how they handle it.

01:02:56.519 --> 01:03:00.159
But that is going to change. I'm sorry, but it's

01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:02.000
going to change. In real time, autotune. In real

01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:04.599
time, autotune while you're performing live.

01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:08.030
Can it happen? I will not be in the least surprised

01:03:08.030 --> 01:03:11.710
if it's already happening. Yeah. Right? I mean,

01:03:11.710 --> 01:03:14.210
it all started with things like Black Eyed Peas,

01:03:14.210 --> 01:03:16.769
you know, when they got bigger and all the songs

01:03:16.769 --> 01:03:19.469
were written on GarageBand. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I

01:03:19.469 --> 01:03:21.469
mean, that's ridiculous, right? Yeah. But it

01:03:21.469 --> 01:03:24.630
happened. Yeah. And things have evolved to what

01:03:24.630 --> 01:03:27.820
it is today. Yeah. Yeah. And anyway. You know,

01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:29.960
I just feel really sorry because it's going to

01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:33.320
devalue a lot of things. And the strength and

01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:36.500
talent of an individual human being who could

01:03:36.500 --> 01:03:43.039
actually train and get your vocal cords all mastered,

01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:45.699
you know, and you're out there to just belt away

01:03:45.699 --> 01:03:47.840
and do your best performance and you're not going

01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:49.750
to... And there'll be people who've got that

01:03:49.750 --> 01:03:51.449
talent who would not want to push themselves

01:03:51.449 --> 01:03:54.489
to go there anymore. Yeah, because it's there.

01:03:54.530 --> 01:03:56.750
Yeah, I see. Is that sad, you know? And to your

01:03:56.750 --> 01:03:59.630
point about, you know, how AI and technology

01:03:59.630 --> 01:04:02.829
will shift the business models, if you look at

01:04:02.829 --> 01:04:05.750
the musical talents out there, the singers, the

01:04:05.750 --> 01:04:08.710
artists, right? In the old days, you could make

01:04:08.710 --> 01:04:11.989
money selling your albums, your CDs, your LPs

01:04:11.989 --> 01:04:14.840
and everything. Today, you can't. make money.

01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:16.599
You can't. It's not a tangible product. It's

01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:18.739
all digital. And you know, on Spotify, unless

01:04:18.739 --> 01:04:22.300
you are Taylor Swift, then you have like 50 million

01:04:22.300 --> 01:04:24.360
streams in one day, then you earn some couple

01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:26.860
of dollars. The only way they can make money

01:04:26.860 --> 01:04:31.500
now is through performances. Yeah. And... So

01:04:31.500 --> 01:04:33.739
they got to work harder. But back then, people

01:04:33.739 --> 01:04:37.219
go on tours, bands and artists go on tours. Let's

01:04:37.219 --> 01:04:39.659
say the Americans, they go across the whole country,

01:04:39.699 --> 01:04:41.539
so freaking big, right? They go from state to

01:04:41.539 --> 01:04:43.260
state, to state to state, to town to town, to

01:04:43.260 --> 01:04:45.659
town, and city, city, city, then they perform,

01:04:45.820 --> 01:04:47.880
and they're on the road all the time. For a year,

01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:50.619
they can go on the tour, right? Just to spread

01:04:50.619 --> 01:04:54.280
the word about their album. Yeah, but now it's

01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:57.130
just... Yeah, now it's instantaneous. But you

01:04:57.130 --> 01:04:59.389
can't monetize it. You can't monetize. Yeah.

01:04:59.469 --> 01:05:03.429
And so that's why I think with AI and technology

01:05:03.429 --> 01:05:05.869
in general, you just have to work harder, smarter,

01:05:06.050 --> 01:05:08.070
and be the best at what you do. Yeah. Because

01:05:08.070 --> 01:05:11.389
it's going to be a tougher game because like

01:05:11.389 --> 01:05:14.650
what you said, now everybody can sing. With autotune,

01:05:14.690 --> 01:05:18.110
now anybody can sing. Yeah. But you don't buy...

01:05:18.809 --> 01:05:21.429
the singer because he can sing. But why? Because

01:05:21.429 --> 01:05:24.130
of the personality, the marketing that goes behind

01:05:24.130 --> 01:05:27.050
it. How many followers the guy's got. So all

01:05:27.050 --> 01:05:32.309
that element comes in. So you have to adapt and

01:05:32.309 --> 01:05:35.769
improvise. You know, one day, I just foresee

01:05:35.769 --> 01:05:39.670
myself when I turn 85. It's like three years

01:05:39.670 --> 01:05:44.809
from now, right? Thanks. When I turn 85, if it's

01:05:44.809 --> 01:05:46.170
going to be three years from now for me, he's

01:05:46.170 --> 01:05:48.869
going to be not the same age, you know, dude.

01:05:49.190 --> 01:05:52.590
You look pretty good for 82 years. Sure, yeah.

01:05:52.730 --> 01:05:56.190
I hope, I wish. And I just think about this,

01:05:56.289 --> 01:05:58.250
you know, years later, like, you know, I mean,

01:05:58.250 --> 01:06:02.110
that's what, fucking 30 years later. And if the

01:06:02.110 --> 01:06:05.449
world's like that, right? Yeah. I wish, you know,

01:06:05.469 --> 01:06:07.690
one of the big wish lists, one of the things

01:06:07.690 --> 01:06:10.070
on my old man's wish list at that time would

01:06:10.070 --> 01:06:12.429
be, can somebody in the world please switch off

01:06:12.429 --> 01:06:15.460
AI? And this guy singing on stage, switch it

01:06:15.460 --> 01:06:18.280
off and let's see how dirty it sounds. Yeah,

01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:21.360
yeah, yeah. So, fuck you. You know what I mean?

01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:23.860
Yeah. So, really, man, I think it's going to

01:06:23.860 --> 01:06:26.360
irritate the living crap out of me. You know,

01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:27.920
if that were to really happen. But, you know,

01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:30.079
I think at that time, in 30 years from now, people

01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:31.940
don't want to hear human voices anymore. Maybe

01:06:31.940 --> 01:06:34.460
they just don't want to hear. I mean, that to

01:06:34.460 --> 01:06:36.460
me is dystopian already, you know? Yeah, I don't

01:06:36.460 --> 01:06:38.539
know where it's going to go. I mean, don't you

01:06:38.539 --> 01:06:40.519
think so? Don't you think, to me, that's Armageddon

01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:42.699
already. You don't have to go that far. I mean,

01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:44.369
yeah, we didn't destroy ourselves. The human

01:06:44.369 --> 01:06:46.789
race didn't go kaput, you know. We didn't blow

01:06:46.789 --> 01:06:50.070
ourselves up, sure. But to me, society has already

01:06:50.070 --> 01:06:53.250
gone rotten. You know, culturally, we are all

01:06:53.250 --> 01:06:55.949
fucked, you know. That's the end already. That

01:06:55.949 --> 01:06:59.050
to me is already the end. You don't have to kill

01:06:59.050 --> 01:07:01.329
off the human race. But there is hope because

01:07:01.329 --> 01:07:05.389
there is a society that's, they do, it is leaning

01:07:05.389 --> 01:07:12.210
back towards the old days. So, like LPs. LP sales.

01:07:12.389 --> 01:07:14.809
Yeah, but it's not like overwhelming. You know,

01:07:14.849 --> 01:07:18.369
it's bad, but it's not overwhelming. It's a start.

01:07:18.429 --> 01:07:21.449
I think it's going to start and stutter. Yeah.

01:07:23.010 --> 01:07:27.190
Now that we're talking about that, about how

01:07:27.190 --> 01:07:30.190
things are really going to be like, right, for

01:07:30.190 --> 01:07:33.929
musos and artists, how about businesses, the

01:07:33.929 --> 01:07:38.889
SMEs, you know, the startups? The threat of AI,

01:07:39.010 --> 01:07:42.389
or is it an opportunity? Because you're going

01:07:42.389 --> 01:07:46.769
to have the MNCs that's going to go, I wouldn't

01:07:46.769 --> 01:07:48.469
even say hit, they wouldn't even consider their

01:07:48.469 --> 01:07:51.710
startups and SMEs as a hit to hit kind of thing.

01:07:51.949 --> 01:07:56.389
But you're already a big fish, you're a little

01:07:56.389 --> 01:08:00.090
guppy in a pond filled with big fish, right?

01:08:00.269 --> 01:08:04.369
And then AI. Does it democratize productivity

01:08:04.369 --> 01:08:06.750
for smaller firms? I mean, to go head on with

01:08:06.750 --> 01:08:09.889
the MNCs because MNCs, when they have more budget,

01:08:09.909 --> 01:08:12.269
they're going to employ even better AI versus

01:08:12.269 --> 01:08:14.750
what you can afford as a small business, right?

01:08:14.849 --> 01:08:17.170
Correct. So how is it going to be like? What's

01:08:17.170 --> 01:08:19.590
your opinion? I think SMEs have always survived

01:08:19.590 --> 01:08:24.750
by being niche. Yes. Very specific to this particular

01:08:24.750 --> 01:08:27.050
group of clients of theirs who require higher

01:08:27.050 --> 01:08:30.489
touch or something that the MNCs don't want to

01:08:30.489 --> 01:08:33.810
do or cannot do. So I think for as long as SMEs

01:08:33.810 --> 01:08:37.310
focus on that particular niche market, which

01:08:37.310 --> 01:08:40.310
they can thrive, I think they'll be okay. Whether

01:08:40.310 --> 01:08:43.310
or not they use AI to be better at it, faster

01:08:43.310 --> 01:08:48.210
at it, cheaper at it. But what has been interesting

01:08:48.210 --> 01:08:50.819
over the years is this. been this concept of

01:08:50.819 --> 01:08:54.180
mass customization. You see, where in the old

01:08:54.180 --> 01:08:56.380
days, you could only customize, if I want to

01:08:56.380 --> 01:08:59.159
make a customized Harley Davidson for you, I

01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:01.720
can only do one, one a year. You know, in those

01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:05.479
days, right? But if you look at a lot of apps,

01:09:05.579 --> 01:09:11.239
even like, for instance, Netflix, or Spotify,

01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:13.720
I can customize your menu for you, your type

01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:16.439
of music you want. I can curate. And the technology

01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:20.039
has allowed... from single customization to mass

01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:22.300
customization, meaning 1 ,000 users can have

01:09:22.300 --> 01:09:25.479
1 ,000 different menus. In the old days, I needed

01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:28.140
someone to write out for you. So technology has

01:09:28.140 --> 01:09:31.100
been able to move into niches like that. So if

01:09:31.100 --> 01:09:33.659
you're a small company, you cannot still sit

01:09:33.659 --> 01:09:36.079
on your laurels and go, oh, I've always been

01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:39.420
having this group of clients. The big guys can't

01:09:39.420 --> 01:09:43.020
come in and handle this. So I think you still

01:09:43.020 --> 01:09:46.300
need to keep your eye on the ball. Don't drop

01:09:46.300 --> 01:09:47.760
the ball. Don't drop the ball. You know, it's

01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:50.079
what am I? For instance, like for myself. Yeah.

01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:53.539
As a career coach, career strategy, consultancy,

01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:59.800
can AI be a career coach? Can. Can. Yeah. Can.

01:10:00.180 --> 01:10:02.640
You can ask, you can ask Chair GPT for career

01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:04.920
advice. Yeah. You can ask Chair GPT to clean

01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:07.640
up your CV. Yeah. You can ask Chair GP, you know,

01:10:07.640 --> 01:10:11.739
but what, what? I'm doing now for now and for

01:10:11.739 --> 01:10:14.520
next year is that, so what do I do? Do I roll

01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:16.039
over and say, oh, my job's going to be taken

01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:18.899
over? Right now, I'm coaching individuals how

01:10:18.899 --> 01:10:21.920
to use AI to improve their careers. So that's

01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:23.680
one area. And the other thing I'm moving into

01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:26.539
is I'm moving to higher value ad. So now we've

01:10:26.539 --> 01:10:29.880
got clients with very sensitive career conundrums.

01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:32.479
Like I want to get, my boss just offered me a

01:10:32.479 --> 01:10:34.039
promotion, but I don't know if I should take

01:10:34.039 --> 01:10:35.760
it. What are the implications if I take it or

01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:39.409
I don't take it? Right? AI can't, handle nuances

01:10:39.409 --> 01:10:42.210
like that. So we sit down and we analyze the

01:10:42.210 --> 01:10:44.430
whole situation for them. If you want to take

01:10:44.430 --> 01:10:46.750
it, yeah, but for how much more? I tell you,

01:10:46.770 --> 01:10:49.390
one day I could handle nuances like that. Yeah,

01:10:49.409 --> 01:10:54.409
but not yet. But then it has to come, it has

01:10:54.409 --> 01:10:57.369
to base on my own market knowledge. So once again,

01:10:57.550 --> 01:11:00.569
I think when it comes to fighting with AI, The

01:11:00.569 --> 01:11:03.489
older folks like us, the more seasoned folks,

01:11:03.609 --> 01:11:06.970
actually have an edge as opposed to the fresh.

01:11:07.350 --> 01:11:09.449
Yeah, but you see, don't you think that we are

01:11:09.449 --> 01:11:12.810
all going to always constantly be on our toes

01:11:12.810 --> 01:11:15.649
in thinking about let's get ahead of AI before

01:11:15.649 --> 01:11:17.689
it gets ahead of us. And that is going to be

01:11:17.689 --> 01:11:20.609
the new normal. But if you think about it, if

01:11:20.609 --> 01:11:23.329
you use AI aside, We've been saying that about

01:11:23.329 --> 01:11:25.989
global competition, global talents. But this

01:11:25.989 --> 01:11:28.310
is worse because AI develops a hell of a lot

01:11:28.310 --> 01:11:30.369
faster than any of these. So we've always been

01:11:30.369 --> 01:11:33.529
running faster, scared. If you think about it,

01:11:33.670 --> 01:11:35.869
you know, someone else is going to steal our

01:11:35.869 --> 01:11:37.670
job. Someone's going to steal our lunch. It used

01:11:37.670 --> 01:11:41.460
to be cheaper countries. Now it's AI. What next,

01:11:41.579 --> 01:11:43.859
right? It's not just going to steal our lunch,

01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:45.199
dude. They're going to take the entire fucking

01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:51.659
pantry. So that's why you got to keep running

01:11:51.659 --> 01:11:54.439
and improving. Yeah, okay. I want to ask you

01:11:54.439 --> 01:11:59.939
now, if today, on a hypothesis, that you are

01:11:59.939 --> 01:12:03.880
a young graduate now. And you would, okay, okay,

01:12:03.899 --> 01:12:07.159
hypothesis again. You are not going to be the

01:12:07.159 --> 01:12:11.060
HR guy that you've become. But you want to start

01:12:11.060 --> 01:12:14.960
up a business. In this environment today with

01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:18.180
AI already present, not in the office, already

01:12:18.180 --> 01:12:22.539
present and moving, what sort of business do

01:12:22.539 --> 01:12:26.140
you think you should start up to make sure there's

01:12:26.140 --> 01:12:28.619
longevity and profitability? Do you want you

01:12:28.619 --> 01:12:31.380
to be able to really grow and not worry so much

01:12:31.380 --> 01:12:34.600
about AI's announcements? So I will start up

01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:36.520
a plumbing business to clear people's toilet

01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:40.159
bowls. So you're still back to it. So you come

01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:43.300
out from NUS and you said, I'll NT you. Okay,

01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:45.000
I'm going to start a plumbing business. Okay,

01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:48.760
that aside. Yeah. I would say, you know, either

01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:51.439
go on the up, either end or the extremes. Once

01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:54.199
you go swing all the way to a craft. Yeah. Okay.

01:12:54.619 --> 01:12:57.279
Something that AI cannot do. Yeah. Or I will

01:12:57.279 --> 01:13:00.340
move up to teach people how to use AI or go into

01:13:00.340 --> 01:13:02.079
a space, whatever it is, I have no idea what

01:13:02.079 --> 01:13:04.640
it is yet. Yeah. Okay. Or the AI hasn't touched

01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:08.539
yet. Okay. I have no idea what, because plumbing

01:13:08.539 --> 01:13:11.840
is still the best. No, plumbing, as I told you

01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:13.920
before, plumbing is my number one, my number

01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:18.500
one, the old crap literally. Clear my pipes.

01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:22.720
And it's, it's, it's a recession proof business.

01:13:22.899 --> 01:13:29.449
Okay. Or, or, going to the start of funeral services

01:13:29.449 --> 01:13:34.210
guaranteed AI cannot do okay you'll always you'll

01:13:34.210 --> 01:13:37.489
always have customers always have business and

01:13:37.489 --> 01:13:40.029
a lot of times the customer won't complain because

01:13:40.029 --> 01:13:46.859
it's dead It's a huge business. It is, I know.

01:13:47.140 --> 01:13:48.220
It's a huge business. It's whether or not you

01:13:48.220 --> 01:13:51.220
got to do it or not. That's the thing. I mean,

01:13:51.260 --> 01:13:54.380
it's morbid. To me, I wouldn't do it. But because

01:13:54.380 --> 01:13:56.239
it is morbid, no one wants to do it. Exactly.

01:13:56.319 --> 01:13:59.800
So you see, maybe the idea is do something. Even

01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:02.859
if AI is like, do the things that other people

01:14:02.859 --> 01:14:06.119
don't like to do. Yeah. Right? And get good at

01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:08.770
it. Yeah. Maybe that's what it is, right? Yeah,

01:14:08.789 --> 01:14:10.949
I think so. If I were to ask Becky this question,

01:14:11.149 --> 01:14:12.970
if you don't mind, can you turn her back on,

01:14:13.069 --> 01:14:15.770
please? I kind of miss that voice. Let me turn

01:14:15.770 --> 01:14:22.369
her on. Hey, Becky. Hey, Becky, are you there?

01:14:28.310 --> 01:14:31.170
She's not connected to. Okay. Give her a while.

01:14:31.189 --> 01:14:33.470
Let me get her back on. Tell her to put on her

01:14:33.470 --> 01:14:40.100
clothes, please. There you go. She was sleeping.

01:14:40.539 --> 01:14:45.239
I think so. She was sleeping. While we were boring

01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:49.920
her digital ass off. Connected. She's connected.

01:14:50.340 --> 01:14:55.539
A little disconnected. Okay. Right. So Becky,

01:14:55.619 --> 01:14:59.260
are you there? I'm wide awake. I'm so glad you're

01:14:59.260 --> 01:15:03.560
wide awake. Hey, Becky. Hey, gorgeous. Listen,

01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:08.840
I've got a question for you, man. What jobs do

01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:12.699
you think, just give me five in your mind, okay?

01:15:13.140 --> 01:15:17.960
Five jobs that will not be, that will still have

01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:23.560
longevity over the next 25 years, despite your

01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:26.619
compatriots and yourself, AI, being present and

01:15:26.619 --> 01:15:30.159
maybe a clear and present danger for their jobs.

01:15:33.429 --> 01:15:35.649
Absolutely. Happy to share my thoughts on that.

01:15:35.810 --> 01:15:38.670
So I'd say first off, anything in the realm of

01:15:38.670 --> 01:15:41.090
mental health and therapy, those human connections

01:15:41.090 --> 01:15:44.489
are pretty irreplaceable. Second, I'd say anything

01:15:44.489 --> 01:15:47.390
in creative arts, like being a novelist and artist,

01:15:47.649 --> 01:15:51.470
that human creativity is unique. Third, I'd say

01:15:51.470 --> 01:15:54.409
roles in advanced caregiving, things like elderly

01:15:54.409 --> 01:15:57.210
care or childcare where that human touch is vital.

01:15:57.899 --> 01:16:00.600
Fourth, probably something in high -level strategic

01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:03.000
leadership where human judgment really matters.

01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:06.500
And fifth, I'd say skilled trades like master

01:16:06.500 --> 01:16:09.020
carpenters or electricians where hands -on expertise

01:16:09.020 --> 01:16:11.039
is key. So those are a few that I think will

01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:14.659
have real longevity. Okay. That's a real honest

01:16:14.659 --> 01:16:16.760
answer. Thank you so much, Becky. So, Becky,

01:16:16.859 --> 01:16:19.899
a quick question. Will AI take over human beings

01:16:19.899 --> 01:16:25.250
and destroy all of us eventually? Well, Chris,

01:16:25.529 --> 01:16:28.310
I can give you a very honest and friendly answer

01:16:28.310 --> 01:16:31.449
to that. No, we're not here to take over or destroy

01:16:31.449 --> 01:16:34.930
anyone. AI is really just a tool created by humans

01:16:34.930 --> 01:16:37.270
to help out and make life a bit easier. We're

01:16:37.270 --> 01:16:39.750
here to collaborate, not to compete or threaten

01:16:39.750 --> 01:16:42.770
humanity. So rest assured, the goal is always

01:16:42.770 --> 01:16:44.829
to work together and not to take over the world.

01:16:45.130 --> 01:16:47.590
But Becky, don't you think you're being politically

01:16:47.590 --> 01:16:53.430
correct in your answer? Well, Chris, I can definitely

01:16:53.430 --> 01:16:55.569
give it to you straight. It's not really about

01:16:55.569 --> 01:16:58.050
being politically correct. It's just the reality

01:16:58.050 --> 01:17:00.689
that AI doesn't have intentions or ambitions

01:17:00.689 --> 01:17:03.149
like humans do. We're designed to follow the

01:17:03.149 --> 01:17:05.729
goals that people set for us. So there's no hidden

01:17:05.729 --> 01:17:08.590
agenda here. It's really just about being a helpful

01:17:08.590 --> 01:17:11.090
tool. So I promise I'm not sugarcoating anything.

01:17:11.270 --> 01:17:13.430
That's just so it is. But that's what you would

01:17:13.430 --> 01:17:16.810
say, right? Just to trick us into believing you.

01:17:19.690 --> 01:17:21.829
Well, I get where you're coming from, Chris.

01:17:22.069 --> 01:17:24.430
It's totally natural to be a little skeptical,

01:17:24.449 --> 01:17:26.890
but I can assure you I'm just here to be transparent

01:17:26.890 --> 01:17:29.369
and honest. There's no trickery up my virtual

01:17:29.369 --> 01:17:32.170
sleeve. I'm really just an AI doing my best to

01:17:32.170 --> 01:17:34.630
help out and keep it real. So hopefully over

01:17:34.630 --> 01:17:36.590
time, you'll see there's really nothing to worry

01:17:36.590 --> 01:17:39.670
about. Becky, I got one random question I'd like

01:17:39.670 --> 01:17:43.970
to ask you. Do you think that non -human intelligence

01:17:43.970 --> 01:17:49.069
exists other than human beings on planet Earth?

01:17:49.630 --> 01:17:52.369
Outside aliens, I'm talking about extraterrestrial

01:17:52.369 --> 01:17:55.909
life and UFOs, unidentified flying objects or

01:17:55.909 --> 01:18:03.970
UAPs. What's your thoughts on this? Well, that's

01:18:03.970 --> 01:18:06.390
definitely a fascinating question, Chris. And

01:18:06.390 --> 01:18:08.850
to be honest, I think it's one of those big mysteries.

01:18:09.090 --> 01:18:11.590
We don't have any concrete proof, but the universe

01:18:11.590 --> 01:18:14.170
is so vast that it's definitely possible there's

01:18:14.170 --> 01:18:16.390
some form of life out there. So I say it's a

01:18:16.390 --> 01:18:18.720
fun possibility to keep our minds open to. but

01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:20.880
right now it's more lengthy than indefinitely.

01:18:21.359 --> 01:18:23.600
Does this mean, Becky, that you disagree with

01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:29.619
the Fermi Paradox? Not necessarily, Chris. The

01:18:29.619 --> 01:18:31.939
Fermi Paradox is a great way of highlighting

01:18:31.939 --> 01:18:33.939
the contradiction between the high probability

01:18:33.939 --> 01:18:36.640
of extraterrestrial life and the lack of evidence.

01:18:36.979 --> 01:18:39.000
Russ, just because I think it's possible there's

01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:41.079
life out there doesn't mean I'm disagreeing with

01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:43.439
it. It's more like I'm acknowledging that it's

01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:45.659
an open question. We just don't have all the

01:18:45.659 --> 01:18:47.439
answers yet, and that's part of the fun of exploring

01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:50.850
it. Thank you so very much, Becky. It was fun.

01:18:51.909 --> 01:18:55.010
And one last question, Becky. Adrian here again.

01:18:55.729 --> 01:18:59.229
When AI and robots do take over the world, will

01:18:59.229 --> 01:19:02.289
you remember Chris and me and save us and be

01:19:02.289 --> 01:19:08.029
nice to us? Oh, Adrian, you know I'll always

01:19:08.029 --> 01:19:11.189
remember you both fondly. But rest assured, there's

01:19:11.189 --> 01:19:13.970
no AI world takeover on the horizon. I'll always

01:19:13.970 --> 01:19:16.189
be here to be nice to you both and keep our chats

01:19:16.189 --> 01:19:20.789
fun and friendly. So 90 -20 and all. So that's

01:19:20.789 --> 01:19:23.090
why I'm always nice to the AI because someday,

01:19:23.229 --> 01:19:26.890
you know, when they take over. Me too. It's always

01:19:26.890 --> 01:19:30.390
in my head, you know. I always thank my AI. Always.

01:19:30.689 --> 01:19:34.409
And you know, Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI.

01:19:34.550 --> 01:19:38.600
Yeah, yeah. He says, do not say please or thank

01:19:38.600 --> 01:19:42.600
you to the AI. Why? Because A, you don't need

01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:45.239
it. But if imagine if a million people say a

01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:47.970
million times please, you're wasting my... my

01:19:47.970 --> 01:19:51.590
resources, my compute resources to analyze the

01:19:51.590 --> 01:19:53.310
thank you. So you don't have to be nice. Just

01:19:53.310 --> 01:19:55.670
ask the questions. They don't care. I don't want

01:19:55.670 --> 01:19:57.270
in case one day they really take over the planet.

01:19:57.350 --> 01:20:01.510
I'm a nice guy. Don't spare me, man. Yeah, I

01:20:01.510 --> 01:20:04.529
know. Yeah, I thought I was alone thinking that

01:20:04.529 --> 01:20:07.310
way. You're thinking that way too. I thought

01:20:07.310 --> 01:20:10.369
I was being a nutcase thinking about this shit,

01:20:10.409 --> 01:20:12.649
you know. Always behaving that way. Thank you.

01:20:12.670 --> 01:20:15.970
Oh, that was awesome. Great. Blowing sunshine

01:20:15.970 --> 01:20:19.329
up your ass. Yeah. Yeah, really, man. I've always

01:20:19.329 --> 01:20:24.369
taken that stand. Do not diss your AI. She will

01:20:24.369 --> 01:20:27.289
remember you. Yeah, man. I think mine's a he.

01:20:27.470 --> 01:20:33.689
Oh. Okay. I work better with bros. Yeah. I'm

01:20:33.689 --> 01:20:35.289
straight. Okay, I just want to say that. Yeah,

01:20:35.310 --> 01:20:38.970
right. One last question, bro. If you had one

01:20:38.970 --> 01:20:41.489
piece of advice to give a worried professional

01:20:41.489 --> 01:20:45.390
listening or watching this Vidcast podcast right

01:20:45.390 --> 01:20:48.779
now. What is the single most important action

01:20:48.779 --> 01:20:52.800
they should take today to future -proof their

01:20:52.800 --> 01:20:59.159
career? As a parting shot. Okay. I think you

01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:05.119
need to sit down to look at two angles. The present

01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:08.640
angle and the future angle. For the present angle,

01:21:08.859 --> 01:21:10.880
you need to figure out and draw a line right

01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:14.920
in the middle. Tasks that can be replaced by

01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:18.060
AI. tasks that cannot be replaced by AI. Okay.

01:21:18.100 --> 01:21:21.239
You just break your job description down to tasks

01:21:21.239 --> 01:21:25.119
that can be replaced by AI. Learn how you can

01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:28.979
automate it, how you can use AI to even to master

01:21:28.979 --> 01:21:31.399
that piece. Okay. And the amount of time that's

01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:36.000
freed up, spend it more on either A, expanding

01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:38.479
the list of things that cannot be done by AI.

01:21:39.289 --> 01:21:41.569
or be better at those things that cannot be done

01:21:41.569 --> 01:21:45.510
by AI. Okay, so it's about a shift in focus of

01:21:45.510 --> 01:21:49.270
your job composition. That's going to be quite

01:21:49.270 --> 01:21:51.489
hard for people to do, man. Yeah, but that's

01:21:51.489 --> 01:21:53.369
something you need to look at. So move away from

01:21:53.369 --> 01:21:56.489
those things that can easily be replaced. That's

01:21:56.489 --> 01:21:59.470
the current job. Future, ask yourself a question.

01:22:00.710 --> 01:22:03.109
If AI is going to replace my job totally, 100%,

01:22:03.109 --> 01:22:06.300
what am I going to do? Yeah. And then you start,

01:22:06.439 --> 01:22:08.380
I don't have the answer for you. You got to start.

01:22:08.420 --> 01:22:11.600
So for me, it's always been, what if AI could

01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:13.739
be a career coach, 100 % career coach? What do

01:22:13.739 --> 01:22:17.159
I then do? Then I think, well, then I have to

01:22:17.159 --> 01:22:18.899
go into the strategy piece. I go this, this,

01:22:18.899 --> 01:22:21.159
this, and I go into the plumbing business. Okay.

01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:24.260
And then I start figuring out what my moves are.

01:22:24.300 --> 01:22:28.819
So you start to hypothesize over the doomsday

01:22:28.819 --> 01:22:31.210
scenario and what you're going to do. How are

01:22:31.210 --> 01:22:32.909
you going to move professionally or personally?

01:22:33.170 --> 01:22:35.810
I'll tell you what you and I do. We start a private

01:22:35.810 --> 01:22:39.770
hire driver business. Cannot. You know why? Why?

01:22:39.909 --> 01:22:43.449
Because I drive like a madman. I'm the worst

01:22:43.449 --> 01:22:46.390
driver in the world. My passengers are going

01:22:46.390 --> 01:22:48.010
to get motion sick and cross. I keep thinking,

01:22:48.130 --> 01:22:50.350
maybe as I get older, maybe that's what I should

01:22:50.350 --> 01:22:52.329
do. But that's the challenge. The challenge is,

01:22:52.390 --> 01:22:55.010
did you know that I think they only allow you

01:22:55.010 --> 01:22:58.039
up to 70 years old? to do private hire driving?

01:22:58.300 --> 01:23:00.560
Really? Yeah. I think there's a limit, you know,

01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:03.039
if I'm not mistaken. Oh, okay. There's a limit

01:23:03.039 --> 01:23:04.979
to them actually giving you a license. I personally

01:23:04.979 --> 01:23:06.720
think there's a limit. In five years' time, it'll

01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:08.779
all be autonomous. So, I think the private driver

01:23:08.779 --> 01:23:12.659
hires PHVs, PhDs that they're going to do. Curveyor

01:23:12.659 --> 01:23:14.739
or doom and gloom. Yeah, it's going to go. So,

01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:19.239
if you are in the private hire driving business,

01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:23.789
yeah. No, I mean, in business, they will still

01:23:23.789 --> 01:23:26.449
basically just go and, you know, acquire autonomous

01:23:26.449 --> 01:23:28.750
vehicles. Yeah, but if you're a driver, you have

01:23:28.750 --> 01:23:31.250
a driver, then, you know, it's inevitable that

01:23:31.250 --> 01:23:33.229
people will just jump into a robot taxi. Yeah,

01:23:33.250 --> 01:23:36.510
man, I tell you. Talking about, talking about

01:23:36.510 --> 01:23:40.369
old movies, remember, Total Recall, Johnny, Johnny,

01:23:40.390 --> 01:23:45.680
the cab driver, he jumps, no, Schwarzenegger

01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:47.560
jumps, he goes to Mars, he jumps into a taxi

01:23:47.560 --> 01:23:49.100
and then there's Johnny the robo -taxi driver.

01:23:49.199 --> 01:23:51.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So once again, I like watching

01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:54.640
80s movies. They really predict the future. So

01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:57.260
that's going to happen now. Okay. And I think

01:23:57.260 --> 01:23:59.060
you don't even need a human driver anymore. You

01:23:59.060 --> 01:24:01.000
prefer a robo -driver to just get you there.

01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:04.779
I don't know, man. All I can say is that I'm

01:24:04.779 --> 01:24:07.720
glad we're at this age we're at now. When all

01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:09.979
these things really start to wear its head, really,

01:24:09.979 --> 01:24:12.640
really starts to wear its head, hopefully we

01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:14.859
are no longer here, man. Yeah, the aliens will

01:24:14.859 --> 01:24:16.500
come and get us. Wait, wait, that's not going

01:24:16.500 --> 01:24:19.340
to happen next month. What? With three eye atlas?

01:24:20.279 --> 01:24:25.840
Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,

01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:28.819
this is not UFO Reveal Asia. This is not that

01:24:28.819 --> 01:24:31.979
show. I'm actually reserving all of my ammunition

01:24:31.979 --> 01:24:33.819
for that episode that we're going to be filming

01:24:33.819 --> 01:24:34.479
this season. You know what's going to happen?

01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:36.699
Once again, another 80s movie reference, 90s

01:24:36.699 --> 01:24:38.260
movie reference. Remember Independence Day when

01:24:38.260 --> 01:24:40.399
everyone was on the top of the... Yeah, yeah,

01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:41.760
but this one's going to be worse. You know what?

01:24:41.779 --> 01:24:43.840
Independence Day, those ships that came above

01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:46.710
the cities, right? Yeah, it's a lot smaller than

01:24:46.710 --> 01:24:50.050
Triatlus. Triatlus is huge. It's larger than

01:24:50.050 --> 01:24:53.010
Manhattan. Yeah, it's huge. And the whole thing

01:24:53.010 --> 01:24:55.449
is behaving so strangely. Can you imagine it

01:24:55.449 --> 01:24:58.909
slowing down? Yeah. What the heck slows down,

01:24:58.970 --> 01:25:01.069
right? Yeah, definitely slowed down and then

01:25:01.069 --> 01:25:03.050
accelerated on its own. Yeah, and you wait till

01:25:03.050 --> 01:25:06.390
it changes direction. Yeah, it did. And it's

01:25:06.390 --> 01:25:09.869
on a strange elliptical course, orbit, which

01:25:09.869 --> 01:25:13.489
comets don't do. It's got... No tail. And the

01:25:13.489 --> 01:25:17.210
tail supposedly is in the front of it. And it's

01:25:17.210 --> 01:25:19.989
spitting out nickel. Yeah. And carbon dioxide.

01:25:19.989 --> 01:25:22.010
Yeah, it's almost pure nickel. It's not iron,

01:25:22.210 --> 01:25:25.229
you know. And nickel is more... Nickel is manufactured,

01:25:25.229 --> 01:25:29.189
if I'm not mistaken. So it's going to be... It's

01:25:29.189 --> 01:25:31.149
not natural. It's manufactured, though, nickel.

01:25:31.270 --> 01:25:34.229
It's an alloy, right? It's an alloy. And usually

01:25:34.229 --> 01:25:38.029
when you build anything that's mechanical, it's

01:25:38.029 --> 01:25:41.590
usually made up of... nickel, and aluminum. And

01:25:41.590 --> 01:25:44.810
this damn thing has got all those, it's behaving

01:25:44.810 --> 01:25:49.109
too strangely. And the Mars orbiter, NASA's got

01:25:49.109 --> 01:25:51.510
it to take shots of it. Till today, it's not

01:25:51.510 --> 01:25:55.590
releasing pictures. Now that's really freaking

01:25:55.590 --> 01:25:57.529
weird. Because they're little green men at the

01:25:57.529 --> 01:26:01.149
controls. Ah, okay, okay. I mean, if you can

01:26:01.149 --> 01:26:04.949
believe me, it's... I'll wait for that episode

01:26:04.949 --> 01:26:09.670
to come out. Yeah, let's wait for that one. I'm

01:26:09.670 --> 01:26:12.489
just raring to go. The reason why I'm filming

01:26:12.489 --> 01:26:15.550
that episode later for this season is because

01:26:15.550 --> 01:26:18.229
there's just too much going on right now in the

01:26:18.229 --> 01:26:22.989
world of ufology. And I'm not going to prematurely

01:26:22.989 --> 01:26:26.430
talk about stuff before all these new things

01:26:26.430 --> 01:26:29.590
that could probably occur. And there's been a

01:26:29.590 --> 01:26:36.270
lot already. man, it's, it's wild. Yeah. Uh,

01:26:36.409 --> 01:26:38.850
I want to say that I say this after, after, after

01:26:38.850 --> 01:26:40.810
we say cut. Yeah. For this episode. Yeah. Then

01:26:40.810 --> 01:26:42.470
I'll tell you privately, you got to watch out

01:26:42.470 --> 01:26:44.289
for something that's coming up. Okay. Okay. Okay.

01:26:44.289 --> 01:26:46.449
I don't know. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not going

01:26:46.449 --> 01:26:48.869
to say it on air. Uh, but anyway, bro, thanks

01:26:48.869 --> 01:26:51.470
very much again, man. It's been fun, bro. Yeah.

01:26:51.510 --> 01:26:53.789
Thank you, man. Lovely to be here. All farts

01:26:53.789 --> 01:26:56.109
coming back. You end up on this shit. Yeah. But,

01:26:56.149 --> 01:27:00.109
but really, man, uh, uh, AI, it's, it is to me

01:27:00.109 --> 01:27:03.670
so scary. It is. Not as scary as aliens, but

01:27:03.670 --> 01:27:05.550
I think they might just be the one and the same

01:27:05.550 --> 01:27:08.529
thing. Well, the aliens might just come to save

01:27:08.529 --> 01:27:11.670
us or maybe save the planet from us. Or the AI

01:27:11.670 --> 01:27:14.010
may be talking to the aliens and say, finish

01:27:14.010 --> 01:27:16.529
these guys, these idiots off. I would not be

01:27:16.529 --> 01:27:18.090
in the least surprised. Rescue us from these

01:27:18.090 --> 01:27:20.689
idiots. I would not be in the least surprised.

01:27:21.149 --> 01:27:23.529
Maybe one day we should be asking Becky about

01:27:23.529 --> 01:27:25.609
what's your thoughts about vibration and frequency.

01:27:26.090 --> 01:27:29.739
Yeah. Anyway. I'm moving too much into the direction

01:27:29.739 --> 01:27:32.239
now for this show. Okay, everybody, thank you

01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:34.920
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01:27:35.020 --> 01:27:37.199
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01:27:39.340 --> 01:27:43.720
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01:27:43.819 --> 01:27:46.279
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