Today we're taking you to a famous culinary battleground
in Singapore. I'm talking about the Bedok 85
Fengshan Food Centre, a boisterous iconic supper
spot in the east that is known for its wide variety
of local fare and its famous bak chor mee rivalries.
This is a place where food isn't just a meal,
it's a legacy. Stalls that have been dishing
out quality food since the 1970s and others that
have been recognised by the Michelin Guide for
their satay bihun. It's a deeply traditional
environment, where the competition is not just
fierce, but well -established. In the midst of
this tradition, in a small coffee shop next door,
two young men decided to do something different.
Zarif and Kevin started a stall called Joy Laksa.
They didn't have to compete with the bak chor
mee masters on their own terms. Instead, they
brought a new flavor to the neighborhood, specializing
in Thai cuisine, and most notably, a distinct
Thai laksa nam ngao. A tangy, tomato -based broth
that is a world away from the rich, creamy Singaporean
laksa most of us know. This is a story about
more than just food. It's about leaving the comfort
and stability of an air -con office job for the
sweltering heat of a hawker stall. It is a perilous
journey into an industry known for long hours,
intense physical strain and a distinct lack of
a traditional employment safety net. And it begs
the question. What motivates two young men to
take on such a demanding challenge? Today, we'll
dive into their story. We'll explore the lives
they left behind, the partnership that keeps
them going, and the hopes and dreams they're
pouring into every bowl. So let's find out if
they truly, truly love their job. This herb is
special because it's only harvested in Thailand
for only two times a year. The availability of
it in Singapore is not a lot. So you have to
directly import from Thailand. This red cotton
herb previously was used for medicinal purposes.
But part of it, it helps with erectile dysfunction.
Oh, it helps with ED. Yeah, correct. It helps
with ED. So it's good for people who can't pitch
their tents in the morning anymore. Yeah, correct.
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This is the most authentic conversation you can
get in the land. No bullshit. Really, no bullshit.
If you've been watching me, you know there's
no bullshit. And I have with me in studio today
for our very first episode of our series. We've
been doing the tribute show so far, but today
we're starting off and kicking off our series
of I Love My Job. And with me in studio, I have
two very young men, two very hardworking men,
two guys that I keep scratching my head and asking
myself, why, why, why did they go into probably
the most grueling industry that anyone could
actually do or be in? And that would be the food
business. Oh, wow. And not just that, in a coffee
shop. Oh, wow. And not just that, any location
that is really proven, you know, really challenging
because the people in and around the vicinity,
they're all kick -ass hawkers, I can tell you.
Yeah. But these guys are here and we're going
to find out why. And I have with me the good
people from this establishment called Joy Laksa.
And I have with me Zarif. Say hi, Zarif. Hi,
everyone. And Kelvin, say hi, Kelvin. Hi, everyone.
Okay. And Zaryf and Kelvin, the messers from
Joy Laksa. If you want to know where Joy Laksa
is located, we'll tell you really, really soon.
And it's not just any kind of laksa. It is not
our coconut, our usual favorite broth with the
coconut milk and all that in there. No, no, no,
no, no, no. And it is not. pinang laksa as well
nope nope nope not the asam laksa nope nope nope
nope no it is thai laksa and right now we're
gonna take a break and show you the video that
we've just done because i had myself a gastronomist
time at joy laksa take a look at what happened
then and there you have it we have uh i told
you it's gonna be thai laksa but then again you
know that was the trouble that day I was expecting
Thai laksa, but no. No, no, no, no, no. These
two jokers had just to do this to me. And what
they gave me were chicken wings. And then while
waiting for the Thai laksa, no, no, no, no, no,
no. The Thai laksa did not turn up. Because why
these guys were doing this? And you know what
those are. And, and, and, and, and, and, and.
Oh. Those are moopings. He said, oh man, oh man,
oh man. I'll tell you more about that. We will
tell you more about this as we go along. We will
tell you more. And then, and then we have the
Thai laksa. Here we go. And the vermicelli goes
in. Kelvin's boiling it in that fantastic broth.
And the meatballs go in. And there's this thing
I'd like to talk about more later on. And there
you go. There you go. And then the garnishes
go on. If only I can get you guys to smell that
from off your screens. Okay, everybody. Oh, wow.
Okay, okay, okay. Don't you worry. I'm going
to tell you all about this. Let's go one by one.
Let's start with the chicken wings because I
was waiting so long for the Thai Laksa, but you
get to stuff my face first with the appetizers.
And we've got this, the chicken wings. Can we
play? Yeah, there you go. There's Zari for you.
Zari was prepping the marinade and the flour
and then... setting them to fry, and he had this
to say. What did you say to me? That once you
had my chicken wings? Oh, I said that this is
one of the best in Singapore. We use a special
mix of flour that I'm not going to share with
you. And that's why it's so crispy. Yeah, I see.
He's not going to share with me because he knows,
he says he has to kill me if he has to tell me
what he puts into it. But come on, just a bit.
What do you put into them? I put two different
types of flour inside and a bit of baking powder.
So baking powder helps to fluff it up and make
it very crispy. Right. You know, initially when
I took a bite of that, it was great. Really,
it was really great. Really whet the appetite.
And it tasted like hachong gai, but not hachong
gai. It tasted like as if there's prawns in them.
Are there prawns in them? No prawns. Balls. But
they call it gai tot. It has fish sauce. I would
say it was gai tot in time. Fried chicken in
Thai is like gai ton. Okay. So they put fish
sauce inside, so maybe that's why it tastes similar
to... Ah, okay, but it's not like prawn paste.
Yeah, it's not. Ah, well, that's different. But
it was really, really good, I gotta say. And
one more thing, guys, I am not being paid for
this, okay? This is not like a paid promotion
kind of thing. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This
is really because, you know, I hardly do food.
That didn't sound right. I hardly cover food.
And when I do, and I have, not that I haven't,
but when I do, it's because I personally feel
that, hey, wow, this is great. The food's really,
really great. And take my word for it. Everything
that these guys fed me, I mean, it was ooh -la
-la, freaking amazing. Can we look at the Mu
Ping now, please? Now, that's Kelvin, and he's
prepping, and you're glazing it. What are you
glazing it with, man? You got to lean forward,
brother. Sorry. You got to lean forward. With
our special make, the teriyaki sauce. They created
by Zari. Then after that, I tweaked the recipe
a bit. So teriyaki sauce got nothing to do with
Thai, right? Thai -riyaki. Yeah. I'm sorry? It's
like Thai -riyaki. So it's quite similar to how
we make teriyaki, but in Thai style. You just
came up with that shit, didn't you? What? Thai
-riyaki. Thai -riyaki. Thai -riyaki. But the
recipe for the meat is his mom's recipe. Okay,
for the muping, the meat is his mom's recipe.
Can we play some more of that vid, please? Of
me munching it, munching the muping? Because
there's something inside that's so different.
Yeah, yeah, that's the one. That's the one. Put
it on. Okay. Right, right. That's the muping.
And then what we were trying to show you was
very simple. First of all, yes, they are freaking
fragrant. One has got all, you can pause there,
pause there, pause there. One is all meat. It's
all pork, right? Correct. And then the other
one, can we go on playing? Or is that the one?
Yeah, it's this. Okay, that one that I shown
on the screen, that was mixed with veggies. With
carrot and what else? Mushroom and? Carrot, mushroom
and cabbage. Oh, wow. And you know that one,
I prefer more than the all meat one. And then
Zari told me, don't waste the garnish, man. So
yeah, okay, wrapped it in lettuce and down the
hatch it went. Okay, you can stop showing me
being so greedy. Thanks so much. Okay, so that
was really bloody brilliant. The moping was really,
these things really whet your appetite before
you go for the granddaddy and the granddaddy's
coming up. Can we put up the one, the completed
plating, please? Oh no, no, the balls, the meatballs.
Yes. This is Kelvin playing with his balls. Yeah.
He loves the balls. Very small balls they are.
Small and tasty. Call it Asian size. They're
pork balls, right? Yeah, it's pork balls. Asian
size. Get lost. Fuck off. I'm Asian. I'm not
that small. That thing in the center, the dark
veggies. Everyone can take a look at that, the
dark veggies. What are those you were telling
me the other day? Red cotton herb. Sorry? The
red cotton herb. Okay. So this herb is special
because it's only harvested in Thailand for only
two times a year. Twice a year? Correct me if
I'm wrong, but it's one or two times a year.
So the availability of it in Singapore is not
a lot, so you have to directly import from Thailand.
Right. Do you have a problem having supplies
of that? Oh, no, we don't. You don't, huh? Because
his mom is Thai. Okay. My mom has a lot of connection
with her friends that always direct order from
Thailand there. Right. So if we need, then we
always get it within five working days. Right.
So it's the red cotton, what again? Red cotton
herb. Red cotton herb. Right. And there's apparently
some qualities in those red cotton herbs. So
what are those qualities? I mean, this red cotton
herb, Previously, it was used for medicinal purposes.
But part of it, you can tell that it helps with
erectile dysfunction. Oh, it helps with ED, yeah?
Yeah, correct. It helps with ED. So it's good
for people who can't pitch their tents in the
morning anymore. Yeah, correct. Leave it to the
Thais, man. I'm not sure if that itself helps
with ED, but... It does. It's like a nice replacement
for Tonka Ali. I don't know. Do you have it every
day? No. Do you have it every day? If you have
it every day, then please tell me whether or
not it works. But it's a healthier replacement
for Tonka Ali. Oh, it's a healthier replacement
for Tonka Ali. So if anybody wants to come down,
you can ask us. We give you like a heaps amount
of red cotton herb. So, okay. Thai Laksa is really
going to be really good for those of you who
are maybe 65 and above or 75 and above. And you
want to feel really happy, please head down to
Joy Laksa. Currently, they're located at Block
87, Bedok North Street 4. But pretty soon, just
tell my audience, when will you guys be expanding
to the... Leave it up, please, Kai. Be expanding
to the new location. We are moving, hopefully,
by the first week of November. First week of
November, okay. And it's going to be at... Please
tell everyone, where? Bedok North Street 2. Block
416. Block 416. Okay, great, great, great. So
make sure that in early November, you go down
and visit Joy Laksa and have their fantastic
Thai laksa, their chicken wings, as well as their
moo ping at Block 1? 416. Sorry, 416 Burut North
Street 2. Can I add that we are extending our
menu too? We're doing a lot of stuff. Please,
go ahead. Tell them, tell them. So we're selling
bukkata. And we are also doing a new brand inside.
So that's something that you can look forward
to. Okay. All right. And one part of the stall
will be no pork, no lard, right? Correct. Okay.
And Kelvin will be doing the one with the pork
and the lard, right? Yeah. All right. But us,
you more often. Okay. Now, this is That Shook
One with Joy Laksa. That's the title of our episode
today. And I want to find out from these two
young men why, just why, why, why did they venture
into the food business? So for the both of you,
I have a couple of questions to ask you. Let's
start from the beginning. Before Joy Laksa, what
were you guys doing? I was working for a Korean
company. Right. So I was taking care of four
different brands. Right. And I had five different
bosses. Right. I got the experience. Five different
bosses, okay. I got the experience. I got stressed
out. Then I quit. Because I had to take care
of my mom. Then after that, I knew Kevin for
almost five years. Right. And we decided to do
a venture together. Chotomate, can I just find
out from you, which sector were you in? Were
you talking about, well, four brands, five bosses,
dealing in what? F &B. Also F &B? Also F &B.
Okay, but what kind of F &B we're talking about
here? They are doing bakeries, then Korean food,
Korean noodles, and... Supplies, you mean? K
-BBQ. Supplies? Restaurants. Restaurants, okay,
okay, alright. And those are your typical retail
restaurants? Yeah, we also did retail also. Ah,
okay, alright, okay. And how about you, Kelvin?
I was working with him. We previously was doing
coffee industry. Then after that, one year later,
he come and find me to open a brand together,
which is for more of bakery, Korean bakery. So
he hired me to assist him in the operation run.
In the company he was working for? Yes, for one
of the brand. Okay, hang on. You're fast forwarding
too much. Let me just go back a little bit. You
were saying that you were in a coffee business.
What were you doing in the coffee business? Not
really business, but work for people. Yeah, you
were in a coffee business, though you're a worker,
but you were in a coffee business. Okay, but
what were you doing? Barista. You were a barista?
Yeah. Ah, okay. So you were in coffee, but you
were not cooking? No. I'm not a cook. You're
not a cook? I'm more of a coffee... You could
have fucking fooled me, because look at the video
we just did, man. I mean, it's like... It's like
as if you've been in the kitchen forever. Yeah,
but... Because... Everything all self -taught
in YouTube lah. So, and then I adapt fast. You're
not shitting with me. Huh? Yeah, it's all AIs
and YouTube and then I just self -adapt lah.
Really? Really. You had no experience with the
walk? Yeah, totally zero. I had no experience
with the walk. Who the fuck got a year, man?
We both had no experience with the walk. Six
months. So, you learn all this, okay, you learn
all this on YouTube? Yes. Right. Okay, wait.
I gotta brag too. I never knew how to do audio
engineering. I never knew how to do anything
that's got to do with the creative arts. I never
knew how to do any video stuff. I learned it
all from YouTube. We're on the same boat. And
that's why passion is very important, right?
Okay, before we get into the passion bit, yeah,
I want to go back a little bit still. Still want
to go back, further back, further, further back.
Okay, now you're telling me about your working
life so far, how you started off, right? Let
me find out first, Zarif. Well, talk about your
education, your background. Where did you start
your schooling? From primary? Yeah, sure. I moved
to two different primary schools. Right. I was
born in a very poor family. Right. And my mum
and dad were separated. Right. So I started out
at Tanjung, sorry, Griffiths Primary School.
Right. The one near here. Okay. And then after
that, I moved to Tanjung Katong. Okay. Then in
secondary school, I went to the most mud -raped
school in Singapore. What? But it really closed
down after I graduated. After you graduated,
they said it closed down? Yeah, correct. Because
they lost the star. Yeah. Okay. And then? Then,
that was when I started to pick up a lot of bad
habits during that time. So, I decided to not
go to school after that for one year. And I went
to work in a bar. You went to work in a bar?
I was 16 years old and I started to work in a
bar. That's how life starts. Start working in
a bar. Okay. And then? I didn't know what I wanted
to do. I just wanted to make some money. I wasn't
getting pocket money from my parents. Okay. So.
You're the only child? No, I have two older brothers.
Okay. Right. And started work there. I had no
customer service experience. Started as a food
runner. Went to be one of the fastest food runner.
I could carry like two big trays and run around.
What was a food runner? You sell the food to
the customers. So you're at the kitchen pickup
area. Yeah. And then they ring the bell, you
have to pick up the food and send it to them.
Oh, so it's like me watching Hell's Kitchen.
Okay, there's a line. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Correct,
correct, correct. How long to the line? Then
you pick it up, then you're in front of the house,
then you go serve. Correct. Okay, and then? Then
I made my way up to service. Then at 17 years
old, I started working inside the bar. Okay.
So I was pumping beer, making cocktails. Pulling
beer. Yeah. Okay, and then making cocktails.
You became a bartender. Correct. Okay. And that
was when my journey of being a bartender started.
Okay. So I was working in nightlife after that
for almost seven, eight years. Where? I did Pump
Room, Highlander. Wow. Then after that, I jumped
around quite a number of scenes in Clarkie when
I was working part -time. And then after that,
I moved to Fine Dining. Life Brands, the Life
Brands group, huh? Correct. Ah, okay. Nathan's
Baby. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Then when I moved to Fine
Dining, Aliyah was in Highlander. Who? Aliyah.
Aliyah Sharma. She was in charge of the entertainment.
No, I can't recall. Okay. But that was in 2000.
Yeah, Nathan was probably your boss. It was Live
Brands, yeah. No, Nathan was my boss when I was
in Fine Dining. Ah. Back then, it was the Big
Idea Group. Yeah, Big Idea Group. Yeah, that's
right. Then I was in Fat Cow. So, yeah, this
brand called Fat Cow. Yeah. That's when I started
my fine dining experience. You know Nathan's
episode is happening right now, right? Yeah.
I saw. Okay. Right. That's why I was shocked
that you got him in. Okay. So, you're working
for Life Brands and then in the bar scene. Then
after that, what happened? I did fine dining
for a few years. Got myself into customer service.
Right. Then I left again and went back into the
bar. Okay. So, I did the setup for Marky. at
Marina Bay Sands and also Koma, the Japanese
fine dining restaurant because of my experience.
Then I left that place. Then I started to take
on a management role. So I helped open a Japanese
bar at Fortune Center. It's called Gokoro. Lasted
there for like six months. I had to argue with
the chef. Got heated and I just left. Because
he took out his knife. Okay. It's a butch. It's
a butch. Yeah. Okay. Whatever it was, took out
his knife. Okay. And then? And after that, I
went to, I went to tap. It was a craft beer bar.
Yeah. Or TAP, right? Yeah. Yeah. Then COVID happened.
Left. Then I joined my friend company and that's
when I met Kevin. That was in 2020. Okay. Wait
a minute. Tell me your story. Hi, sorry. From
school days. From school days. Used to... Lean
forward, bro. Lean forward. They're going to
pick you up. Oh, okay, okay. Sorry. No problem.
No problem. Okay, so my first primary school
was in Hougang Primary. And after that, secondary
school, which last time used to be Abeng School
one. Punggol Secondary. Real Abeng one. A lot
of fighting one. And after that, I studied to
O -Level. So after O -Level, I wanted to go to
Nitech. And halfway, I dropped out. And that's
where I decided to just work. Why did you drop
out, Ray? Oh, I couldn't find what I wanted to
really do. You know, I picked the wrong course
and then I signed up for the wrong thing. Yeah,
so that's where. And then my parents could, you
know, decide the path for me. They said, no,
you should do this, you should do that. But I
want to live life that. you know i don't do any
wrong so you're saying that your parents picked
the course that they've insisted me to buy right
actually i supposed to be until n level then
go high and high tech which i want to do higher
chemical technology okay then after that man
i did not report because i'm not that kind of
person that like to read you know so i just speak
on verge of oh i feel this okay but i did not
check carefully gut feeling yeah i just go on
it then after i wrong course then after that
and i like to track and you know don't know what
to do so basically no no but you were saying
just now your parents speak for you what do you
mean by your parents because after and i'm by
right i'm supposed to go high night tag because
i really know that i couldn't study further i
want to pick a skill set to to focus and then
go and venture out to work but after that they
insist me to go all that because of their traditional
mindset of like O -Level ah, must have lah, you
know. You need to have a proper O -Level then
you can succeed everywhere. So I said, no, N
-Level is the same, you see. So if I go high
Nitec, it's the same, just a shortcut. So I can
want to work. See, I want to start working. But
I want to start to have a feeling of how is it
to have my own money. Right. Yes. Yeah, okay.
Do you think that at 16 years old to make that
kind of decision, any parent would worry a bit,
right? Yeah, but at the time, 16. Because I learnt
a lot of bad things right? I don't know, you
didn't tell me about the bad things. Like what?
Like what? Like what? Like what? Like what? Like
this fellow also wants to tell you the same thing.
Yeah, yeah. But you didn't tell me what. Like
what? Like 13, smoking. Smoking at the age of
14. And after that to join some... Sniffing glue.
No, no, no. Sniffing glue, no. But that was a
trend back then with a lot of people, you know,
when they were young. Was it? It was a trend
when I was in primary school. And I'm a lot older
than two of you. Our time, because, you know,
people sniff glue, but not touch it because I'm
afraid that you'll destroy my health. So I do
things in a smart way not to get caught, you
see. Right, right. You do things in a smart way
not to get caught. I do hope you realise what
you just said, you know. Okay. But I mean, yeah.
And then? After that, 16, I pick up the basketball
habit. So I mix with the correct click and then
that's where we want to do, I want to come out
and then, Do a proper of like, you know, study
well, go to work, study finish. What's basketball
got to do with that? Because this basketball,
they... Influenced me in a good way. Okay, okay.
So you're saying that the guys you got together
with to play basketball, they were a good influence
on you. Yes, correct. If you do the right stuff,
instead of studying and all that. Yes, and then
I quit smoking. And yeah, I quit smoking because
of basketball last time. Oh, shit. Really. It
really helps a lot. 16 years old. Yeah. Okay.
Then after that, because of the decision that
my parents imposed on me, right, so I just, wow,
I cannot study. I cannot. Then I just, ah, so
happy lah. Then go and do the bad things. You
know, you feel more free. And then they couldn't,
they... You couldn't do the bad things and you
felt more free. Like play truancy and all lah.
So I skip school. Then after that, I just go
home very late. Hang out very late. Like 2am,
I go home. Go partying lah. Right lah, that time
no party lah. Go hang out lah. Hang out, yes.
Hang out under void deck also lah. Void deck,
basketball court. Basketball court. Same thing.
Okay. And from there... Okay, two delinquents.
All right. Ex -delinquent. Ex -delinquent. All
right. And then what happened? Then you left
ITE. Then what happened? Then after that, I went
to work for logistic work. Because I was trying
out the hard works, you know, when I first started
the first hard work, I was like, wow. I'm like,
let's try 12 hours. So I think, eh, I have the
youth energy leh. Get like 14 hours course called
OT ma. So just try only. And then I... Heavy
lifting stuff. Heavy lifting stuff. Basketball
helped me a lot ma. To go all this push up. So
I got that physical. So manual labour la. Manual
labour. Yeah. Okay. Okay. After that, I went
to try out. My first FNB job was at Bonavista,
that rap and roll. Okay. FNB is there. So I was
there to assist as... bartender with no experience.
Also bartending. Also bartending. But it was
a short four months. Four months because of relationship.
Because of relationship. What do you mean by
relationship? Last time, ex -girlfriend said
I cannot. Boy -girl relationship. Not with the
chef or whatever. You want to tell him he used
to be a big shot player. He used to be a player.
No, no, no. That was later part. Later part you
became a player. Army. Right. In the army you
were a player. Not bad. The army can be a player.
Can. But. Right, right. My hand getting exposed
here. Supposed to be. Okay. And then what happened?
You went to work for Rap and Roll. Rap and Roll.
You left because you had relationship issues.
Yes. jealousy and then i have to teach female
colleagues oh so she was jealous so you quit
your job because you wanted to continue on with
her yes otherwise that was one of the bosses
there used to be in charge of one of the department
which i forget where a floating hotel so he offered
me but he could tell me that you got to prioritize
something you got to draw a line you know with
your relationship and and work yeah absolutely
yeah so but that time you know young ah immature
first love first and now all you young people
better listen to this damn story so every so
back then i was like i love first i don't want
to disappoint her so and then i yeah i prioritize
feelings over her so within like six months we're
over because of some miscommunication so did
you regret leaving rap and roll I regret, man.
But also regret a bit, but all this comes to
a point where, you know, if I did not live there,
I wouldn't have met him, you see? So along the
way, it happens. Okay, okay, okay. So we brought
it down to fate. Yeah. Okay. And then what happened
after that? After that, I went to serve the army.
Because after the FNB, I just continued doing
the logistic introvert. You're right, no? You
never tell me about NS, no? Yeah. Like, you never
served there, no? Did you serve? I mean, it's
not an interesting story, but at the end, I did
serve. I was from Police Coast Guard. Okay, not
interesting. And then you joined the army. Yes.
Because then my parents were saying that you
purposely work and you purposely quit. Because
IT, that time, I already withdraw. But it took
one and a half year. for my army letter to come
so they're assuming that i use this to actually
escape army because you know back then everybody
don't want to serve the army they try to delay
as as much as they can like the deferment of
poly until when they reach the point they have
to study degree they deserve army first so but
i told my parents that's not the case i'm looking
forward I'm looking forward to serve because
I want to clear finish. Do you have any siblings?
No, I'm single child. Only child? Yes. No wonder
they're so married. I also have only one child.
But my parents, they don't know how to take care
emotionally. Finance may be okay, but more of
a mutual understanding because I really know
them that I wanted to do something fair. it's
going to be good okay i won't do anything wrong
and i'm not going to do anything illegal that's
that's one thing and of course stable income
i want to take care of the house you see and
but with the mindset that i know you do this
you do that then yeah so it makes me rebellious
so i just want to prove a point that i can live
life in my way by doing the decision i made it's
going to be okay i love what you just said man
Because I think it's one of the most honest thing
anyone can say. Why a young person rebels? It's
just when two minds cannot meet. That means mom,
dad, and the kid cannot meet somehow. You know,
and it seems to the adults that you are rebelling,
but actually what you're trying to do is to prove
a point that you can manage things and to have
them to please inside, a big crying out from
inside, Please, can you guys trust me enough?
Right? Just two different perspectives. I really
like that. I really like what you just said,
man. I really hope a lot of parents out there
will be listening to what you just said. Because,
believe me, a lot of helicopters out there, man.
You know helicopter parenting, eh? Actually,
it's getting more common now. Oh, very common.
Very common. Believe you me. I mean, I know.
I know, I've been pairing chat rooms for a long
time and I can tell you, man, it is grating sometimes.
Yeah, okay. Good to hear that, brah. Okay, then
what else happened, man? So you broke up with
that, with that, with that, with that anchor
weight that you had on you. Yeah, anchor weight,
but it was, I mean, I can review everything,
right? Sure, please, borrow me, stop me calling
it underwear, so please. So, okay, so, so, so
in the army, so that's where we're, when I entered
army. So for the first two months, we were still
together. We were still together. And then, but
what caused me off was she was pregnant. Oh,
shucks. She was pregnant. So I just, okay. Oh,
boy. So back then, at the back of my head, it's
like, okay, what am I going to do next? I'm not
thinking of running away from my responsibility
because I made that, I created that situation
for myself already, right? so just man up and
then why not to the point where i say i just
sign on yes i almost did sign on for and then
they told me about the package it's not it's
not as great as what you think like 1 .1 1 .2
you know because of my education and uh and i
was a non -combatant ah yeah so because of that
and then and then i offered to my ex and say
that you know I just sign on and all. So she
just gunned me down by saying that, you know,
being with you doesn't mean there's a future,
you see. And we are looking in the bigger scene
of like, I need money. I need to take care of
this. I say, it's all my salary. I'm just going
to transfer everything to you. So let's say,
I'm just army have a cookhouse. So I can eat
free every time. Even if it's going to get boring,
I just adapt to it. And then she just, no, you
just pay me the abortion fee. Like what? Oh,
am I going to dig that money out? You know, you
see, it was back then. Army, the fee, the pay
was like $450. Yeah, $450. Full -time analyst,
yeah. Yeah, full -time analyst, $450. So, wow,
I had to think of a way. So I keep borrowing
from my friend, like $100 and $200. Then they
were like, oh, how am I going to trust you? I
barely know you, you know, like two weeks. I
said, just marks on my work, you know, I try.
And yeah, I didn't manage to get it. that i didn't
manage to get it so after that you didn't manage
to get any loans they didn't okay no one could
no one trusts yeah it was strangers you see so
i don't and i was desperate yeah just have that
thoughts of like no you are good you you will
help me you know sorry your headphones gonna
fall off your head oh sorry okay no no it's okay
okay okay after that uh when i go to units so
we are kind of like breaking all but i'm trying
hard to stay afloat you see the relationship
what happened She managed to find one of my close,
one of my cliques to get the money. So she says
she will pay for it first. And then after I...
Pay for the aborting. Yes. Then after that, she
will just claim for me. You know, like claim.
So I'm like, wow. And then what happened? Oh,
somebody just rode a Harley into the car park.
Okay. You heard that, huh? Sorry about that,
people. Yeah, okay. So after that, one of my
majors, he offered to help me. So he asked me
how much the payment. So I told him the sum was
like 1K. So he said, 1K? Okay, so I'm going to
pay you. I'm going to help you transfer. You
just pass me her bank account and everything.
Because back then, it was only bank account.
So... you just must be a bank account i pay every
month you just pay me a hundred and then you
just focus on your you need to be the first time
i was stormed man so be a best storm man and
then do your work properly but install you know
just talking sleep yeah but i don't do work so
hard then i was also so when once i passed her
so we cut off the meeting so i told one of my
friends to actually look after her because i
want to finish this army And then, you know,
that kind of thoughts like, you know, after army
I finish, I will come back and we still be together.
But within like 10 months, I found out that she
was together with my friend in relationship.
So I was like, whoa. So I just literally went
real dark. Actually, I would say hang. Oh, hang.
Really is hang. Really is hang. So, but I got
told my, but after I find out things, I did ask
my friend about, you know, I'm okay if you tell
me straight in the face like, like, eh. You know,
your ex is going with someone else and not. So
I'm okay. I accept the reality fast enough to
understand. So I just need to think of what's
the next step I should do. But they were hiding
from me because they're scared I have suicidal
thoughts. Yeah, because I was diagnosed with
depression, you see. So I told them, no, bro,
you know, you think too lowly of me. If I want
to do it, I long ago do it like, what, 10 months
ago? I wouldn't wait 10 months, man, you see.
So if you tell me the sooner, it's even better.
At least I pain for a while. Yes, I'll be emotionally
pain. But I wouldn't be waiting there like idiot
ah. Okay, so what happened after NS bro? After
NS ah? Wah, I went to do Starbucks. Yeah. At
first, before Starbucks, I do part -time logistic.
But that area was I used to stay at Redhill with
my mama. So I worked in Tuas. Right. So after
Tuas, like wah. That's no longer in the picture
at the time. Yes, that's... I mean, my dad is
still around. I mean, we, but they just let me
do what I want to do. Of course, I still finish
NS. So, it's like. Because you said you sat in
Red Hill with your mom. My mom and my, actually
parents. Your mom and dad. Okay, okay, fine.
Okay. And after that, I do logistic for like
three to five months. And after I think, not
cut for it. Then I want to find something more,
you know, like kick me, kickstart something.
So, some new skill. Because logistic is introvert
job. So it's just like labor work, OT. Yeah,
really. What the fuck? Yeah. I mean, it's the
first time I've ever heard anyone say that logistics
is an introverted job. Yeah, like packers. Because
I do packers, you see. So you're very introverted
because I push the box that's inwards so I'm
introverted. Yeah, so you just look at the list.
Okay. Okay, then you just pack. So basically,
it's a lonely job, right? Yeah, it's lonely.
Okay, fine. Not introverted. Okay, introverts,
it doesn't mean that you guys go chase after
a logistics job just because you're introverted.
yeah oh goodness okay and and then then after
that i went to search a online on this thing
called sg streets jobs or i forget sg street
jobs no no no no no no not street not sg street
uh gumtree oh gumtree yes i can't remember that's
very long really like 11 years back Okay. So
I came across about this Starbucks job paying
$7 .50. So I was like, oh, Starbucks job. I thought
of like coffee, just do lah. But it's going to,
I'm going to be, I'm for sure going to be scared
because I don't speak to customer. So I picked
that to be, well, I give myself this challenge.
If I can pass this customer service thing and
I have to communicate, socialize with people,
then yeah. Let's do it. Okay. So you're basically
a self -proclaimed introvert? Yes. I'm the same
as him. When I started my first work... Fuck
off, you're introverted. No, really. I couldn't
talk to anyone. I couldn't even smile. Okay,
let's end it right here. I'm introverted too.
No, really. I had my supervisor give me a mirror,
ask me to smile at the mirror before I started
to take tables. That's how bad I was. Every day
before work. Look at you, look at you. Before
work, every day, I would do that. Jeez, that's
the first I've heard. Look at yourself in the
mirror and smile. Okay, Mr. Introvert. My first
day was, it went really bad. but did you learn
i mean the barrister work did you learn how to
do your coffee brew coffee coffee no nothing
zero so first day oh right cut marking and i
cannot memorize the short form so i just write
the long form like and it was a morning we call
the slam time so i was panicking i was shaking
like wow oh my god is this really the job so
back of my head i wanted to like let's go back
to logistic but When I tell myself, when I come
down, I tell myself, no, I have to do this. I
have to pass this. And yeah, I just do it. Just
break the limit, you know? Nothing to lose, you
know? So what? So what? I'm going to embarrass
myself. So what? I'm going to make mistakes.
So be it. Just do it. Learn from the mistake.
Then I learn. I like this guy. Then I notice
others, how they serve customers, how they speak
to customers, and how they do things while interacting
with customers. I pick that. I learn from it.
It's the first time, awkward. awkward definitely
because I feel it's not me but eventually it
becomes as I practice it becomes part of it part
of the job you do know that all the stories you've
been telling me so far right you're saying this
in front of like 2 ,000 people oh I didn't know
I just want to okay well Mr Introvert say hi
to everybody hi I used to be introvert maybe
I'm still introvert we still are introverts I
don't see that anyway yes Yeah, introverted extroverts
or extroverted introverts. Everybody. Yeah. Okay.
After that, I just do with Starbucks for I think
one year plus. That's where I learned to do multitasking
or beverage making. At Starbucks first, one -for
-one launch. Whoa, insane. I almost died. Then
what happened after that? After that, I went
to... Wait, sorry, very long. Yeah, after that,
I went to do... Longer than yours both. I try
to keep it short. I went to do the salad bar.
Not salad bar. Salad cafe. Called Hakon. Okay.
Okay, I... Wait, no. Before Hakon, I was doing
at New Black. The New Black, the coffee. Because
I wanted to learn artisan coffee. Because Starbucks
like, okay. So Starbucks is not considered artisanal
coffee? No. Because Starbucks is more of like
frappuccino. I split making frappuccino, coffee
art, latte art and all. I mean they do, some
of my ex -colleagues do practice there. But it
was just, oh. And then I was like, I want to
learn something like, you know, draw art is cool,
you know. Just impress some people who want to
dream, make their day. Then after that, I went
to the New Black Waste on Red First, which closed
down because the boss bankrupt. Okay, that's
good to know. Then after that, I do New Black
for most a year. And I go to Hakon. So I went
to do as the salad service line. But this wasn't
coffee. This was food. Food. And then healthy.
Healthy superfood. yes healthy superfood like
they sell acai they sell salad right right yeah
and also the coffee so i get to know right one
of my ex barista team the captain there to do
to learn more advanced about yeah yeah the healthier
all these salads are expensive like yeah super
i know you know 15 .90 for four veggies and one
crazy man rabbit food okay yeah and then and
after that we went to join the china brand mellow
coffee what mellow coffee i used to be in singapore
but after they closed down they pulled up from
business yeah no but no i don't think so different
for him so far only one school closed down for
you two companies okay so that one also i learned
coffee same advanced uh more up to learn more
dude you got a guy that you become a partner
the guy has been just doing coffee coffee coffee
coffee so far yeah okay Okay, right. Okay, and?
And then I went to join the 20... After that,
I left Melowa. So, I went dark. I went dark again.
Oh, the way he say, went dark, as if he's super
spy, no? Oh, then this is the best story ever
when he went dark. That's when I met him, when
he was dark. You went dark, okay. So, after Melowa,
same thing, relationship problem again. Because
I wanted to settle down fast. I see my friend
married. How old were you then? Wah, 26 ah. 26
and they settle down and smack you across the
back of your head again. Then what happened?
Then after that, when admitted to IMH, then just
lost. You're kidding me. Yeah. You admitted to
IMH, why? Due to suicide. Attempt suicide. Did
you? Yes, I did. And then it was because I was
drunk. Yeah, I drink this whiskey, then I drunk,
then I tell, I wanted to ask someone to talk
to me. You see, like I need someone to hear me
out. My cliques, they couldn't understand what
I'm going through, you see. What were you going
through, Kelvin? If you don't mind sharing. More
of like, I needed someone to be there, you know,
to understand of like, stability in terms of
security, the security feelings, you know. Like,
you know, I'm going through this, then I want
someone to empathize with how I feel, you know.
Just be patient. I can repeat my problems like...
One day, like 20 times. Someone who could relate,
you mean? Yes, and relate and also patient to
listen. Like, you know, it's difficult to handle
someone that who couldn't control his emotional
and his mentally not well. How long ago was this?
It was... Six years? Six years ago. Okay. Yeah.
And then, after that, I went to IMH. So, I admitted
for one week. and then i told the doctor about
my situation but they said you don't need medication
you'll be doing fine said what like so but back
then i wanted medicine to numb you know the thoughts
in my head you saw all the negativity so i was
the negativity telling me of like the reason
to leave why am i what's the reason you know
it's telling me that i got nothing to lose i
just yes Basically, it was dominant in your head.
In your head, all these negativities. Yes. And
then, I just found someone in IMH who is an Islam
guy. Muslim guy. He's a Muslim guy. And then,
he told me he admitted because he's scared that
you'll do something bad to his mom. So, yeah.
And then, because he said sometimes when he's
angry, he overwhelms you accidentally hit his
mom. So, I was like, what? oh bro, you are more
crazier than me, you know? Like, I thought I
was like, oh no. I wouldn't use the word crazy
lah, okay. But I mean, I told him that, then
he's like, yeah. Then after that, we, you know,
because inside the IMH, it was open space. Yeah.
It was really open space. So, we walk like back
and forth, back and forth, like eight hours.
Yeah. Like, really eight hours. Because we are
trying to, I'm trying to distract my thoughts
of not thinking the bad things. So, at the same
time, he talked to me about, he's teaching a
bit of like how to keep cool. You know, if you
find, if you really feel like attempting again,
just admit again, you know, just admit again.
Then he asked me, how do you find so far? So
I feel okay. I feel peaceful actually. He's a
patient. He's a patient too. Right, right. Yeah.
I feel peaceful. And then after, but back then,
when I was admitted, I was hoping for my parents,
my family to come and help me, but no one. No
one helped me. So the one that bailed me out
was my own close friend since 13 years old. Your
mom and dad didn't come for you? They don't know
how to react. So from what I heard from my mom
was, you know, she couldn't accept. And then
I roughly remember that she just, like, you know,
I don't talk to him, I don't talk to him. Like,
they don't know how to react. Yeah, because I
was at, first they said that I was video calling,
that living myself off. I wanted to jump. So
I went. my uncle house on top 13th floor. So
I climb. Then after that, my father was saying
that, you know, son, don't jump. No, come home,
let's talk. You know, let's be calm. And then
we talk things out, okay? Just don't do stupid
thing. Come, come, you know, son, please. But
drunk, I can't stop until I told the doctor.
I think one point where my ex tell me say, come
home, let's, you know, let's talk things out.
Then we patch back and I just tell the police
to tighten my hammer in case I do something stupid
again. Yeah. Then after that, they admitted to
IMH. Because it could say I'm finding a reason
to live for. So her words give me the reason
to, okay, I stopped suiciding. Could say threatened,
maybe. I don't know. How are you now? I'm okay.
First, I got a wife. And I'm going to be a father
soon, so life's good. Yeah, so for people that
go through this situation, I don't wish it happens
to them, you see. So sometimes when people are
overwhelmed with something, I tend to empathize,
I understand. So I don't have to speak up, you
know. So, brother, I want to thank you very much,
really, for being so open and sharing this. It's
so private, it's so personal, but thank you so
very much. I'm pretty sure a lot of people out
there are listening to your story. I mean, it
would enrich them in some way. Well, thanks very
much, mate. So tell me, The dark, when you went
dark, after that, you came out of the dark, right?
Yes. And you started life again. What did you
do? Me, I went to, for two weeks, actually three
weeks, I didn't do anything. Okay. I just sleep
at home and then watch the certain show of the
series, The Good Doctor. Okay. Yeah, so I went
to read to understand of life. how humanity works.
You know, I just want to understand. And I want
to learn something. And then just distract myself
from thoughts. And then my mom back then was
working for, is that a company? Yeah, a brand
called Beef Noodle. Oh. Yes. Okay. Yeah, a brand
called Beef Noodle. That was one of the companies
that you were representing. Yeah. Okay. So after
that, my mom, because she was tired, then she
looked at me like, are you okay? Yeah, I'm okay.
I'm just going to watch shows. So my routine
is just, Watch shows, stay at home, babe, eat,
sleep. You know, it's standard. Till one day,
she asked me, son, you want to work with me or
not? Huh? Work? Why? You don't need to do coffee.
Are you going back coffee? I said, no, I'm not
going back coffee. I want to take a break from
everything. So she said, come, help me. Let's
go and do part -time washbowl. Washbowl? Washbowl.
Just washbowl. Nothing more. I don't want to
do any cashiering. I wash bowl, clean table,
whatever. I tell her, say, I'm not paiseh one.
Say, okay, can. Need to go interview. Interview?
Wash bowl need interview one? Then I look at
her. Check your hand bro, check your hand. Check
your hand first. So I interview, then I ask my
mom, so need to wear properly or not? Need lah,
because there are two bosses there lah. I just,
okay. I'll see you two this time. HRs, HRs. So,
when I go down, so I wear, then I just like,
interview, I just wash both. So, I just wear
like, Bermuda, t -shirt, my cap, lay back, then
like, anyhow, sleeper, I just walk down, like,
like, like, just okay lah. Just go down. So,
so that's where, when I go down to Imperial Mall,
it was at Imperial Mall. Ah, okay. Then, when
I met him, so I was like, two bosses, how come
become three? Okay. And that's where I met him.
Because I interviewed him. You were the joker
that interviewed him. When you saw this fellow
for the first time, what were you thinking? Wah,
this guy confirm emo one. His hair was long all
the way down. Oh, he's got the emo haircut. Emo
haircut. Then when he come in, his expression,
you can tell immediately very dark. Oh, is it?
Yeah, because I'm also like, I'm very familiar
with all these feelings before, like whatever
he went through, but I didn't go to the point
of like, you know, going IMH and all. So at one
point, I really know that this guy has gone through
a lot. So I went down to the interview. There
was this question I asked him. You come here
to work, right? Have you got any experience?
He said, no. I just come to help my mom. I said,
so you don't need any salary? Yeah, I don't need
any salary. That's what he said to me. He just
kept repeating, I'm just here to help my mom.
I'm just here to help my mom. I just asked him,
what's your experience? Then he shared me that
he was a barista. then I think actually this
guy got potential yeah okay lah just hire him
give him a try because you know I believe I always
believe that someone with has gone through a
lot can definitely give something if you are
able to mentor them properly okay yeah so that's
when I decided to hire him and then what happened
after that now I can hear from him What happened
after that with him? But the thing is, when I
did the interview, because it's my friend's company,
I haven't joined his company yet. So, I was working
somewhere else. Right. So, when he started, he
was like, eh, where's that bald guy? Back then,
I was afraid. So, eh, where is he? I said, no,
he's not working in the company. So, he was working
without me over there. And I almost, I almost
want to resign. Why? Because, like, I had to
face the two bosses. Then, I like, tired lah.
Just feel very tired easily. Okay, okay. Because
when I met him, I know I can able to communicate
in some way. Right. That I need to find someone
to, you know, like distract my mind. Oh, why
not? I make him as a friend. Yeah, I needed some
companion. Then after that, what happened after
that? After that, the two bosses, but during
the interview, after he interviewed me, the two
bosses came out. So they look at me like, if
I don't pay you salary, everything, are you okay?
Even if I pay you $12, even if I pay you $5,
it's so big man. I just come here to help my
mum only, that's all. So you want to pay me,
you pass my salary to my mum, I don't care. And
I was like, doing like this, up to you lah. Up
to you, up to you. After the interview, I told
the two bosses, you need to hire him. He has
potential. To wash dishes. Not wash dishes. I
think like to groom. To groom. To be able to
groom as a leader. But the first time when they
hired me, I was ready to commit to washing dish.
Easy, freedom, don't need to think of anything.
Just help my mom. Okay, let's go back. Okay,
then what happened? Then after that, COVID happened,
I came in. And I disappeared. Huh? I disappeared.
So you disappeared from Blanco... Blanco... More
like... Actually, I want to quit. Blanco Beef
Ball Noodles, right? Blanco Cod Beef Noodles.
It was in Blanco Cod, Blanco Cod. Yeah. Right?
Yeah, you served me before. I think so. Yeah.
I don't remember. And then? So I joined. Then
I worked with him for a while. He was still part
-time. Right. By the time, he was already cooking
noodles instead of just washing dishes and all.
Yeah. But he was still that dark person and he
wanted to quit. You were cooking noodles for
the beefball, the Blackwood Court beefball noodles.
Okay. And then what happened? Then after that,
COVID came. COVID came. But when he came in,
he was trying to change the structure. Right.
So me and my mom was like, whatever. But you
want to know from my point of view? When I came
in, I wanted to learn everything, correct? So
I went to his mom, he was making soup. I asked,
what's the recipe for the soup? Oh, you just
take the spoon, put like that, then you taste.
If too salty, then you put more sugar lah. So
there was no recipe right? So there was no recipe
right? So there was no recipe right? So there
was no recipe right? So there was no recipe right?
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recipe right? So there was no recipe right? anything
my mom recipe is my recipe so it was it was very
messy over there i wanted to like structure things
right okay but it was hard to you know go into
yeah trying to convince all these all these all
these people in mind theory cannot like once
one direction you cannot have multiple directions
that's the reason why the one direction a lot
of people like the bad luck okay this fellow
one direction kick in the ocean or something
really one direction really one direction yeah
really one direction yeah so I had to keep disturbing
him because I wanted to know more about him then
I I was the one who hired him right so I wanted
to see his potential and all and I could see
like the way he worked that you know things he
can be a better person he can be like the manager
or even push himself to be higher right then
what happened he wanted to quit then I convinced
him take a break but when you come back come
full time that was COVID COVID during COVID COVID,
you couldn't really open right? No, for takeaway.
But the takeaway order was a lot. Of course,
people stay at home right? Stay at home. You're
lucky you can go out, boss. And you're lucky
you still got a job, boy. But at that time, the
job, back then, doesn't really matter. Because
I see my mum do a lot of heavy stuff, so she
carry like 30kg or the dry sauce, so I couldn't
take it. So I just be there. So as long as she's
working, I'm there. But if she off, I'm off.
So they were trying to convince me to, you know,
commit weekend. So this is really a mother and
son thing, huh? Yeah. So, and then one day he
called me like, hey bro, you want to help me
on the weekend? I said, ah, weekend, I let you
know that I just hang out. I just hang and I
continue watch my show. And because he was pestering
me always. Always pestering me. Bugging you ah?
Bugging me. Like, eh bro, you know, I come, you
have a minute to talk. Like, what you want to
talk? So it's like, you know, since we are in
the company together already, why not I teach
you how to be a matter manager. I said, give
me five minutes. That time I call you back. But
I never call you back. You take by God ah bro.
Really, really annoying you know. So I, wah.
Yeah man, I listen to you so I say, fucking annoying.
Yeah, damn. Wah, like, wah. Then I wanted to
block him you know. I'm only kidding. I'm only
blocking him. Then I think, no, I cannot call
my mom. Yeah, because my mom loved that place
or near her house. And then she's also good terms
with the, okay terms with the boss. So I just,
okay, as long as she's there, I'm there. Yeah,
like he said, want my dad. So when he tried to
shift me around, I said, no, I have to be with
my mom. Yeah. A lot of convincing, I tell you.
Okay, then what happened? Let's hear it from
you. What happened to him? So after a while,
he decided to go full -time. I'm going to change
the title of this episode. It's all about Kelvin.
But the thing is, without meeting his mum, I
wouldn't have got to try the laksa. So during
my time over there, when I was taking care of
that outlet, the mum will always cook laksa,
the Thai laksa. Where? At the beef noodles. Really?
Yeah. Okay, and then? As a staff meal. Oh, a
staff meal. Okay. So I've read for me, you know
what, I'm not familiar with all these ingredients.
What, the pork skin, pork ball, and then plus
the cotton flour. So I just try the soup. I try
the soup. Wow. Haram but damn nice ah. I was
about to go there. Okay. So after that, I ate
the whole bowl. Yeah. I think, wah, okay lah,
I think this is nice. At that point, I was just
thinking like, back of head, oh, this is just
nice. Okay. We didn't talk of like, opening a
business and all. Right. But because of that,
I got to try and got to, you know, find out that
this Thai laksa is not in the market. Okay. So
it's not in the market. It's not in the market.
Even in a, currently, even in the Thai restaurants
across Singapore, no one's selling it uh maybe
one or two but it's not something where they
will showcase and say like you know what this
is the most popular dish you have on top basically
they won't shut that one out too loudly correct
okay you guys made this as your focal selling
point now yep okay so you the so so so the idea
for thai laksa for you guys came from kelvin's
mom right your mom's thai Okay. And then what
happened next? What was the aha moment that the
two of you decided, screw this, we quit our jobs
and we get this done? So same thing, the company
we work, he became full -time. You want to cut
the story short? No, no, no. It doesn't have
to be that short. Cut it a little bit, but not
that short. So after he became a manager, I managed
to convince him. Then I started teaching him
a lot of things. How to be a manager, how to
do inventory, you know, food costs, all these
things to make him more interested into. Trying
to not work every day. Were you interested? No.
Even when he was teaching you that? No, I was
just like, how to say ah, pacify him. Eh, I really
want to pacify him. Oh, okay. But I never execute.
But I, of course I do. Yeah, I just like, oh.
At the beginning, in the beginning. Oh, you teach
me. Oh, wow. But when I go home, I just, I don't
care lah. I don't care. And then he said in the
beginning, eventually, did you really want to
learn? Yes. After that, I want to be responsible
a bit. Why? Because of the roles that I was given
to. Right. And also I want to make the, because
it's the company, so everyone grow. Because they
need someone to be doing the right thing. Then
after that, the rest will follow that example.
Because I was the pioneer batch. So if I'm rebellious,
then everybody, oh, this guy don't care, let's
be rebellious. So suddenly you have this sense
of responsibility, is it? Yes, because of one
thing, my mum. It will impact your mother. Yes,
because I don't make her lau kuih. Like, embarrassed,
like, wow, your son, that one, wow, you work
so hard. Actually, you love your folks quite
a lot. Yes, quite a lot. Okay. Such a human story
today. Really, such a human story. Salt the earth,
man. yeah okay and then then after that I just
by the same time he was convincing me to go other
shop without my mom yeah then took me a while
to talk to my mom you know my mom actually at
first I was not okay after I'm okay but my mom
still not okay cause it's like wait my son going
somewhere far you know how can man he here to
help me and everything how then I told my mom
I'll be alright just time out you know it's like
I need to go help the brand better to expand
it so that we can sustain. And find your own
wings. Yes. Okay. And then? Then after that,
what happened? We opened a Tampines Hub. We opened
one outlet restaurant over there. It was our
first restaurant and he was the manager. He became
a manager. Sorry, you opened where? Tampines
Hub? Yeah. Okay. And what did you open? Blanco
Cod Beef Noodles. Okay. Oh, that one. That was
in 2020, 2022. The one on level one. Yes. That's
no longer there. Okay. Yeah, that one because
I left. So, it was a manager there taking care
of everything. It was a manager there, yes. Right.
So, from being depressed to being a part -time
manager. I ate there once. Then after I become
nurse, we got to take care of all the old people
there. My crew is all old people. Like old folks
home. Yeah, really old folks home. Yeah, that's
true, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember
that, yeah. A lot of old people working there.
Yeah, working there. So I have to really, because
some of them got some issues with their knee,
so I'm very afraid. So I look, okay, then why
you put there? So I tend to work more longer
hours. Because you want to make sure you take
the burden off them too. Yes. Yeah, but it's
tiring. Really tiring. and then i so you became
a manager of an outlet okay yeah let's move on
then what happened next after that close down
yeah the one i know but he left during the time
after 10 minutes after a few months now it's
fish and cold yeah okay yeah then after that
i went to generation coffee generation coffee
so we went back to coffee yeah but but But this
one, Generation Coffee was my friend. Your mother
was okay with you leaving Blanco Court? Yeah,
because she says that she can, because I was
leading a proper way of living, like in terms
of like. So she could trust you? Yes. Okay, she
was confident. Yes. And then I also told her
about what's my plan next and next and next.
So I always update her, okay, this one I'm going
to do next, this one I'm going to do next. So
she just okay. So you went to Generation Coffee,
so it says you stayed in Blanco Court. Beef noodles.
Until you went bankrupt. Did it? Okay. Yeah,
you went bankrupt. Okay. I've heard it here for
the first time. Okay, fine. Okay. Let's not go
further than that. And then you stayed there
until you went kaput. And then you moved on to
Generation Coffee Roasters. And tell me what
happened then. Then who? The one... It was my
friend, that pooch. me to join him because he
said it was nearby my house just like two minutes
walk because we I stayed at 205 and then this
product was at 216 right so it was a cafe yeah
eh no hawker oh it was a hawker right so I go
down to he tell me to come down and try the coffee
so I like just oh I don't know how to box so
I just anyhow lah then he look at me hey bro
come ah join together lah join what together
say but I was doing grab back then I was doing
grab so I'm okay then Okay, so after Blanco Cod
Beef Noodles closed down in OTH and Davenly Shop,
you started doing grab food delivery. Yeah, but
during the close down, I wasn't there really.
I left three to four months before they closed
down. No, six months. Six months. Why did you
leave six months prior to that? Oh, due to some
miscommunication with the management. The management.
Ah. Yeah. So, eventually, you went south with
the management there. Yeah. Because back then,
we expanded a lot. Maybe him. Maybe him. He had
one area manager that was taking care of him
but didn't treat him right. Okay. So, you were
dealing with a dickhead lah? Okay. Fine. Kind
of a dickhead but wouldn't be a dickhead. He's
executing according to what the boss need. Okay.
Not bad, Sif. Not bad. Your diplomacy is better
than mine. Okay, let's move on. You did grab
food delivery. Then after that, you went into
Generation Coffee Roasters. Your friend said,
hey, come lah, bro. Do together lah. And then
you went to do together with him lah. Yeah, do
together. It's a business or what? Or as a worker?
As a worker. As a worker. But people think that
we are the boss, you see. So, and then the boss
like, oh, you just tell the people lah that you
are the boss and all. So, give you that. freedom
to say you're the owner. You can F also, you're
the one who can F. That's why I was like, really?
He said, yeah, because he entrusts us his brand.
So I just, ah, okay. Alright. Like, okay. And
then what happened? After that, I stayed there
for a year. Before... Why I stayed there for
a year? So, building up the name, building the
community, you know, get more... Regulars. Regulars,
yeah. So, I want to create a family culture there.
Right. So, when people come, eh, you know, your
coffee's already there, eh. Not bad, eh? It's
minority thinking that way, eh? Yeah, and then
after that, at the same time when they come,
so if they need help or they want to talk to
me about their issues, I'm always there to listen.
So, I just listen, listen. And then why I left
is because he offered me a higher job. At Korea,
the cafe there. Yeah, always one there. Because
I was so peaceful. You zen already. Really zen
already. They throw a meatball into your soup.
But actually one of the reasons he joined is
because he was planning to get a house. So he
wanted a higher paying job. You were planning
to get a house because you met someone. Ah, yes.
Which is my wife. right now and because we want
to we're going to marry and then i want to get
a house and then i need higher salary so i got
some a bit of dispute with my bosses actually
two of them this one ah yeah this one generation
coffee yeah then i told him i need the increment
like just you know you need to do according to
what the what what the leader had to do that
huh i've been doing everything all leader i i
sense talk i do yeah basically they keep tapping
break so i just okay fine i just then just nice
when he come yeah so so so he messaged me hey
bro i didn't know you married that sir of course
but you got married already yeah but i go i go
I go silent. I never let anyone know about my
life. I didn't contact him for one. So undercover
marriage? Yeah. Undercover marriage, wedding.
It's just an outram. Legally married? Yeah, legally.
I don't let anybody know about my life. What
I'm doing and all. 93 ,000 people now know. Okay.
Then after that, he approached me and said, hey,
don't I have a job? You know, I can offer you
a hire. So I was like, money sounds good. Then
I asked him the next condition. can my wife work
together? Ah, that's because I want my wife to,
you know. This fella lah. Yeah, this fella. Say
can, but be professional. Wah, everything is
okay. Wah, so good lah. Okay, then actually submit
a letter. Hang on a second. When your last employer
shut down or shutting down or didn't go too well
and you decide to leave, what happened with you?
Where did you go? You went to the Korean business.
Correct, I went to the Korean. I got poached
actually. what say he gonna tell you they got
poached oh this is a very interesting story so
on we actually managed to master franchise one
brand called Go Pizza then after that the CEO
of Go Pizza offered me a job with this Korean
company right and that's why I left okay okay
okay now let's fast forward a bit okay because
in the interest of time so now You left, you
went there, you called him, told him, yay, we're
back together again. So then you, but initially
earlier on, when Blanco caught beef bowl noodles,
you guys have already tried his mom's Thai laksa.
How did the idea to come into partnership together
with your laksa, with Thai laksa, come about?
Actually, initially we wanted to do coffee first.
Okay. Because, you know, he's interested in coffee.
But I was against it because of the competitor.
And also the supplier, they were up the price.
Because they know that I'm going to open and
then can say that I have a bit of name in coffee
industry. Not forgetting coffee beans, commodity.
Yeah, traded commodity. Up. Of course, of course.
There's a difficulty about that. Because he left
the current company. Yeah. Because he was getting
a bit haywire once we got a lot of new bosses
coming in. Right. Then after that, I left because
I had to take care of my mum. Yeah. And then
I got nothing to do, right? So we thought that
maybe we can start something together. So you
left without a job. You left without a job. And
then what happened? The two of you decided that
you just can't go on like this? After that, I
go back to the current company because it's part
-time. Because they wanted my wife to work. So
I say, Ken, one condition. My wife work, I work.
Because I need to look after her in case they
overwork her or what. Then go back together.
So I told them, you can put me and her on shift.
It's okay. I mean, we really manage it already.
So how you want to arrange the manpower later
on, that's you guys decide. Okay. Right. And
after that, that's where we... halfway, we talk
about opening together. Yeah. Okay. And then
you all start talking about starting the business.
How did the Thai Laksa came up to be the dish
that you guys have decided to be, to use as your
USP, as your unique selling point? Can I easily
say that it is your unique selling point? Thai
Laksa. Correct. That is your main go -to dish,
correct? Correct. That's what I said earlier
on. The granddaddy of all in your shop is Thai
laksa. Nam Ngao. Nam Ngao. Nam Ngao. Correct.
Nam Ngao. There's this thing in your tongue that
rolls. Nam Ngao. Okay. So why did you decide
that that would be the go -to dish? Why? Initially,
we wanted to franchise out Amy Laksa. Yeah. There's
this brand called Amy Laksa at Bedok. All right.
So she actually had plans to close down. This
is what kind of Laksa? Local Laksa? It's Peranakan.
Peranakan Laksa. Peranakan, which is Penang Laksa.
Yeah. Asam Laksa. Correct. Asam Laksa. Asam...
Don't think so. It's Asam Laksa. No, it's Asam
Laksa. Peranakan is Asam Laksa. Penang Laksa.
Because this one is based on our... They got
fish, right? Got fish, is that right? Yeah, yeah.
Peranakan. Yeah, Asam Laksa. But I never tried
before her laksa. So I just thought it's coconut
milk and... Okay. It's not coconut milk, bro.
Yeah. Okay. And then what happened? You guys
wanted to buy the franchise? Wanted to get because
what made us want to start the business was because
of his regular customer. Right. So... You got
regular duty by then? Yes. During coffee time?
In the coffee... And that guy wanted to invest
in him. Wow. Okay. Yeah, one of the regulars.
Wow. He's a lawyer. Right. He used to run his
own law firm. Right. So that's when we, he introduced
me to him. And then he said, why not just do
a business together? He's willing to invest in
us. Okay. Yeah. And that's when the venture started.
Right. Wanted to do Amy Laksa because he was
interested in Amy Laksa. He wanted to sell the
business and then he wanted to try to grab the
business. Right. Okay. But it didn't turn out
well. Then after that, because you know Laksa,
right? Then came to this mind, what about my
mum's Laksa? I think, yeah, your mom's laksa,
long time never try already. So the next day,
went to go visit his mom. That's what happened.
Yeah. And then how was your mom's reception to
you guys deciding to use Thai laksa, her Thai
laksa recipe? Don't tell me there's no recipe.
There is, right? There is, there is. Okay. It's
the same recipe, but we had to like, you know,
tweak it a bit because she used agar ration.
No, she just, yeah. And you decided to start
a stall instead of a restaurant. Yep. Why? Low
risk. Low risk. Because one, the item was not
in the market. Okay. So we don't know how it
will cater to people's palate. Yep. So we started
with a very small shop at low risk. Bedok 85
or Feng Chan Market, they're famous for their
bat chow mein, the barbecue stingray. Do you
know that even a satay bee hoon there is a Michelin
star in 2018? Yeah, I know. Yeah. And you guys,
new kids in the block with a completely different
cuisine, and you're going to that bloody place
that everyone is like there for all these, you
know, super famous in Singapore kind of food.
Why? Because you wanted the footfall part of
the footfall? You want to be able to be feeding
off part of the customer base or what? One, that's
one reason. Then at second or so, we were quite,
at that point, we were quite desperate to just
start something. Because one, the rent was cheap.
Second, it was the closest to our house. Right.
Because we both stay at Bedok. We cycle around,
that cycle like five minutes and we reach the
shop. So we took the risk and opened the shop.
I did all the calculations and then thought,
you know what? It's very hard to lose money over
here. Let's just do it. Okay. Our hawker culture
used to be, or I can say it's known to be affordable,
but it doesn't really happen. Is that way much
anymore? No more. Do you feel a pressure to keep
your prices low, even as costs rise? Yeah, definitely.
Yeah? Because especially at 85 itself, we have
a lot more older folks, right? Yeah. They're
all very price sensitive. Mm -hmm. So we decided
on the price. Initially, we wanted to do like
$6 .50. But we had to ask around, you know what,
$6 .50 is a bit too expensive. And then the shop
beside us is selling like chicken rice for like
$3. So we decided to keep it at $5 .50. Okay.
Okay. You're going to be moving soon to, pardon
me, my brain's getting really bad as I get older
and older. Block 416. Okay, Biddle North Avenue
2. Any reason why, particularly reason why you're
leaving the hotspot, Biddle 85, all the way there?
We got enough data already. So we have this...
We have a customer like Chris who comes down
and said the laksa was good. So it's this kind
of customers. You're talking about this Chris?
So it's this kind of customers that tells us
that, you know what, the laksa is perfect. We
need to spread it out even more. So that's why
we decided to move to a bigger store. So it is
bigger. Correct. Right. How about, you know,
safety nets, you know, being self -employed,
right? Like paid sick leave. And all the other
perks and benefits you get as an employee. How
do you prepare for the unexpected in this industry?
Now there's self -employed people, you know,
the demands that you, the demands you show up
every day. How do you, how do you? Towards other
people, they will think like, you know what?
Opening your own business must be, you know what,
so nice, you know, you got your own time, you
get to do anything. But F &B is very different,
right? Yeah. Because we can spend 12, 14 hours
in the shop. Yeah. And then after that, if you're
sick, like you said, you just close the shop.
Yeah. Then we have to pay for, you know, we have
to get the losses of the revenue because we're
not operating a shop. Then on top of it, you
know, you have to man your own sickness, go to
the clinic. So all of these are added costs.
So definitely, the risks that you have to bear,
and have you guys been bearing it well? How long
have you guys been in operations? Seven months.
Wow, it's been a real short time. How's business
been? Okay, we are able to survive, thankfully.
but it's not enough for us. Yeah. So that's why
we're moving to the bigger shop to take a big,
slightly bigger risk. Slightly bigger risk, but
you're expecting a slightly higher return. Correct.
Do you think it's going to work? Definitely because
we're expanding our menu. Instead of four items,
we have like 15 items. Wow, ballsy man. Your
friend, your partner just said definitely, you
know. Can you tell me why besides the expanded
menu? I mean, we have to look at footfall and
all that, don't you think? Correct. Yeah. Okay,
and so why do you tell me that it's definitely
going to work? So the landlord that we're working
with has been really nice to us. He just took
over the coffee shop. Yeah. He gave us a really
good price on the rent. Yeah. And on top of it,
he's revamping the whole coffee shop. So when
we are joining him, we are the so -called pioneers
of the new coffee shop. Right. So we'll be doing
a lot of marketing together. Okay, new fresh
marketing. Correct. So you're expecting all that
to happen? Yes. Okay, Kelvin, how about you?
What do you think? How confident are you, man?
50 -50. 50 -50. Just do it according to the flow.
Because what happens, what happens, I just have
to... When bad thing... My mindset was already
is that bad thing is going to come, right? We
find to figure out a way how to make things better.
But this one also, Zaryf taught me that. Like,
things can happen. We can't control, but we can
minimize. Yeah, we can minimize damage and all,
and then... see what solution we can do to save
it. Okay, but you two guys learned how to cook
eventually, right? Oh yeah, actually we both
didn't have any walk experience. You went to
YouTube, huh? You went on YouTube and then you
started watching YouTube grandfathers, bloody
hell. Then how did you all end up doing all this?
Do you want to know the best thing about the
laksa? Yeah. The mom was supposed to come and
teach us. It was two days before opening. Yeah.
We learned through video call. Really? Yes. Because
my mom got into a car accident. She got banged
by a car. So, hospitalized for 10 days. And it's
charged against medical advice. So, there was
a lot of... But she was injured, you see. So,
she tried to recall what the recipe inside, what
is the aggravation she put. She must feel so
bad about that. And he... Honest, the first step,
right? I lost. I was completely lost. So he said,
don't worry, bro. I got your back. You know,
you know, you have faith in me. You just tell
your mom to write down the things. We use the
archive. So he used his best experience in BC
Pranko call, everything, all the knowledge and
put inside. And then he create the broth for
me. Yeah. So he helped me. How do you do that?
You don't even know. You don't even cook. At
that time. I cook a lot at home. Oh, okay. And
then also because of the beef noodles, because
it's soup also. I understand the whole process
of soup making. So that's why I just told the
mum, you know what, just give me the ingredients.
Roughly tell me how much you put inside your
spoon and I'll estimate. Then we'll taste it
along the way. Okay. Then he was the best person
to taste, right? So after adjusting, adjusting,
adjusting. Why is he the best person to taste?
Because he eats his mum since young. Okay, okay.
That's fair, that's fair, that's fair. It was
a dumbass question. That was a dumbass question.
My fault. Right. So after adjusting so much,
then we got that bowl and he tried and he said,
wow, tastes exactly like my mom. Then we knew
we got it already. Okay. That's cool. What advice
would you give to someone who wants to follow
in your footsteps? One, you have to be mentally
prepared. Second, don't take risks without calculating.
Everything has to be calculated in terms of like,
when you want to start a shop, How much money
you're going to put in? How much money do you
potentially lose? Everything has to be calculated,
right? You need to have backup funds too, right?
Correct. And you have to weigh your risk and
whether you're able to accept it. If you're able
to accept it, then you can go ahead. Okay. And
also the hard work you have to put in. Because
some people do like, you know, they're expecting
of like, if I work these hours, I'm expecting
salary or... this much but sometimes you know
the customer is a come and go thing so some days
can be bad some days can be good but the bad
days like raining days right it can be demoralizing
yeah so you have like he said to be mentally
prepared and don't be disheartened by it to the
people out there the viewers don't be disheartened
when you start a business always going to be
good and bad just be And most importantly, you
have to always ask yourself what can be improved.
You can't remain stagnant, right? You can't always
be at the shop thinking like, you know, I'm just
going to cook and sell, cook and sell, cook and
sell. You have to keep asking yourself what should
be improved. Are you two guys still excited about
your venture? Yeah, of course. At this stage?
Okay. Despite, I'm pretty sure you went through,
ran into some walls over the last seven months,
right? We didn't take salary for the first four
months. Okay. Yeah. Are you guys still excited?
Tell me the truth. Yeah, of course, of course.
Are you still excited? It's 80 % excited. What's
the 30 % about? 20 % is, how do I say? Uncertainty?
It's not uncertainty. It's just, it became part
of the life already. Like just, okay, just do
it. You know, like I'm excited, but it's like,
it will just eventually happen along the way.
So just. I think the most important because the
main reason is that he's going to be a father
right so yeah sometimes you need security which
congratulations my friend thank you yeah okay
that security is still definitely you want to
have that security okay he's a pragmatist this
guy uh okay all right what's your end game for
your business? Is there an end game? Some people,
you know, they tell me, Chris, I eventually have
built a brand and then end up selling the business
to someone else for a bundle, you know? So some
people is like that. For some people, they want
to turn it into a legacy business where they
hand down to the next, to the next, to the next,
you know? Or I want to eventually one day license
it or franchise it out. What's your end game?
Is there an end game? Yes, definitely. What's
the end game? Sell the business. Of course, if
you have the opportunity to expand, of course,
you have the opportunity to franchise, we'll
do it. And if somebody wants to buy over, just
buy over at the right valuation. Okay. Last question
for the both of you. Do not hesitate in your
answer. Yeah? If you hesitate, I know you're
lying. Because this is our series signature question
for this series, okay? For the I Love My Job
series. Ready? Yeah. Do you truly love your job?
Yes, definitely. Okay. Why? I grew up with it.
Initially, at the start, I was a bit lost because
I didn't know what to do, right, in the beginning.
Started working in a bar, customer service. Then
when I was like 25 years old, I went to backpack
by myself. to find out more about myself. Yeah,
this part you left out earlier on. There's a
lot of gaps. I don't want to interrupt and say
that your backpack experience. I was going through
that quarter life crisis. I even studied psychology
before that. Can I please kick you real hard
in the ass with quarter life crisis? Okay, and
then... So I just wanted to explore the world.
Yeah, all right. Where did you go? I went to,
I started from Nepal, then to Yunnan, to Laos,
then to Vietnam and Thailand. Okay. Basically,
you're still in Asia, within the Asian region.
Okay. And then? Then after that, I came back
to Singapore. I didn't know what to do. So I
went back to FNP. But what really, drove me to
get that passion in F &B was because of when
I worked in Beef Noodles and also the Korean
company because I found out my true skill sets
or what I could offer. And that's where my passion
of F &B grew even more. Okay. So that's your
why. Correct. How about you? For me, it's like
because when I first started F &B, it's difficult.
But along the way, you know, some customers I
met, right? i became part of their life we became
friends you see and then it allows me to connect
to people more understanding more and so so because
of me being there part of their life right it
gave me the sense of fulfillment you know i able
to make a good coffee starting and now i can
give you a good food said and then this gives
me the satisfaction that hey you know i can't
support you coming you cook even though at the
back of my head i said my cook is not not nice
not nice but when they say nice i feel thank
god you love it You know, I always keep finding
ways to tweak the dish to become better. Basically,
for you, it's the people. Yes. The people that
support and then, so, and then I want to connect,
you know, with them. And so, if in the case,
sometimes may be awkward, like when they want
to share something, I just, no, no, just cool
down. Tell me slowly what happened, you know.
But I can understand. I do not want, maybe some
part of, like, what I'm going through. They may
be going through, but I want to be there to assure
that, hey, you know, everything's going to be
all right. No, we will run through walls, you
know, like obstacles. Anything, you know, what
I cook also can be part to be your friend. But
of course, there's a line to draw. There's a
line to draw to be your friends. And then we
go through this thing together. So basically,
Kelvin is no longer the introvert. Yeah. Could
say, yeah, no, no longer. And my, yeah. I have
no doubt in his customer service. No, no, no,
no doubt about it. I mean, I've experienced that
even before, you know, before this shoot and
before the time we went over to yours for that
shoot as well. I recognize that. But anyway,
guys, I really am very grateful that you're here.
And more importantly, being so open. in sharing,
you know, things are so private and so personal.
And I'm pretty sure that my viewers and my listeners
and these guys are going to gain something just
listening to your stories. I mean, that's really
great. And my job is about getting people to
tell their story. And it's been great, man, having
you guys here. And yeah, it is a very fact, people,
that Joy Luxa, the Thai Luxa, is to die for.
Right? Go pay them a visit. Watch Kelvin knead
his balls. They're very nice balls, by the way.
And the Boyd Bowls. Kelvin's Boyd Bowls. For
without which, Thai Laksa would not taste so
good. So again, we're going to flash up the address
on screen for you guys to take a look at. Pay
them a visit, please. Yeah, there you go. There
you go. And remember that from the first week
of November this year onwards, do pay them a
visit, not at 87 Bedok North, but at 416 Bedok
North Street 2. Okay? At what we call a place
called Lao Ka. Lau Ka. Yes. Lau Ka Kopitiam.
Downstairs. Lau Ka. Okay. And yeah, I've had
the guys from Joy Lux with me in studio. Zarif
and Kelvin. Thank you very much once again, guys,
for spending your time here with me today on
the Chris Hansen Conversation. Thank you for
having us, Chris. My pleasure. My absolute pleasure.
Okay, people. we've got uh one more we've got
some more episodes coming up yeah as i said earlier
earlier on when we started the season that this
is going to be one hell of a long season and
yeah it is going to be long okay and we're going
to stretch on all the way and into into way through
december so everyone thank you for for tuning
in and keep watching keep liking keep commenting
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