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Welcome to a very special edition in our series,

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Tribute to SG Music Icons. Our series pays tribute

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to the artists, the enablers and the icons who

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have shaped our entertainment landscape. And

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tonight we welcome a man who is the very definition

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of a Singaporean icon. Some say his name, the

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Flying Dutchman, was born from a legendary 48

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-hour radio shift. Others claim he was a boy

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delivered on a KLM flight. Any very brave few

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suggest his boss just couldn't pronounce Van

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Kallenberg. The truth, he insists, is the one

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you choose to believe. With a career spanning

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over four decades on the airwaves and more than

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half a century as an emcee, he has been a constant

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voice in our lives. From Rediffusion to the golden

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age of partnership radio with Joe Augustine,

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Glenn Ong, to mentoring the next generation,

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he is a living testament that Nothing will kill

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the radio star. But to me, he's more than a timeless

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brand, a mentor, or an icon. He's my friend.

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So tonight, on the Chris Hansen Conversation,

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we get to the man, the myth, and the master of

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the airwaves, my buddy, the Flying Dutchman.

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Let's find out if he'll finally tell the truth

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about that name. If he won't, I will. There are

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three origin stories behind the name The Flying

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Dutchman. Let me just name those three. A legendary

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48 -hour radio shift. Yes. A boy delivered on

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a KLM flight. Yes. Yes. Or a boss that just couldn't

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pronounce Van Kallenberg. Yes. So you're never

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going to reveal the fact. I will never reveal

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it. People have just got to try and figure out

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which one is the real story. I'm going to tell

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you right here, right now. I know what it is.

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start the show. But you got to know what is the

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title of the show, Dombra. Okay. The title of

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your episode is a tribute to SG's music icons.

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Okay. And it's a tribute to you. Okay. Okay.

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And the episode title is that tribute to a timeless

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brand, the Flying Dutchman. Stay there. Timeless

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brand. Timeless brand. Don't play a fool. Not

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bad. Not bad. 44 years. Why not? So, do you think,

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Bruh. They're at this stage of your game. What?

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30 years already, right? 44, bro. Holy crap.

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I just got a long service. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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A lifetime achievement award. 44 years. Congratulations,

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man. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Don't forget,

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no, I think I was. No, I wasn't there. This 44

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years includes Rediffusion. Yes, yes. Because

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I was there when you first got the radio. Yes.

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Okay. So, 44 years. at this juncture in your

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game, huh, bruh? In my game. And it is a game.

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Yeah. It is a game, bruh. I think anything anyone

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does in any profession is a game. Providing you

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treat it with respect. Well, yeah, lah. Of course,

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lah. I mean, no other way, right? True enough.

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Would you consider yourself after this long to

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be a national treasure? I've always considered

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myself to be a national treasure. Not shy, boss.

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No, no. There are two things I consider myself

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to be. One, a national treasure, and two, a 90s

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icon. Why 90s? 80s, 90s. Actually, it was a party

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we did the other day. where the station did a

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party and you had to come dressed as a 90s icon.

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So I came in black pants, a black t -shirt and

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a red jacket. The greatest hits of all time.

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Yeah. And someone asked me, so who are you? I

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said, I'm a 90s icon. But actually, come to think

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of it, your heyday started then. I think my heyday

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really started in about 19... Ooh, 90s lah. Early

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1990s. Yeah. It would have been the 90s. Early

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1990s. But bearing in mind that I started on

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Rediffusion long before that. Oh, yeah. That

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one I know. Yeah. People, you got to know this.

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First of all, let me just say hello. Welcome

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back to the Chris Hansen Conversation. And it's

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my tribute show. This time to this icon. You've

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heard the introduction earlier on. And I have

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with me my brother from another mother. And my

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mother still regrets it. The Flying Dutchman.

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Thanks so much for having me, man. Finally, I

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have you with me live in the studio. Yeah, it's

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about time. The last time we did this was with

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Mr. And we did that one over the phone. Over

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the phone, yeah, man. It wasn't that much fun.

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This is more fun. Yeah, it's difficult when you're

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doing it over the phone because you've got nobody

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to bounce off. Precisely, bro. Precisely. And

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I've known you for decades. So might as well

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just have you in studio, right? Absolutely. Yeah,

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man. Bring me back whenever you want. My afternoons

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are boring. I will bloody hold you to it. Absolutely,

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please. Is it true? Is it true? Is it true what

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I've been reading? I don't recall you telling

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me this. What? You were delivered by our former

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president, Benjamin Shears. Serious shit. Yes,

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serious shit. After two inducement injections.

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You refused to pop, right? I refused. I was stubborn

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as hell. And it took a second injection and then

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finally I said, okay, welcome to the world. Came

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out going, whoa, look at this. It's color. You

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know what? I'm just wondering what's my phone

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doing with you? I have no idea. It's blocking

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my hat. I'm sorry I'm blocking your hat. Because

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you know me. I have a massive hat collection.

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Oh yeah, that one I know. What made you wear

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this one? I was going to wear another one. My

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wife said, nope, you've got to change it. It

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doesn't suit what you're wearing. But it's on

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the table. You're not wearing it because of the

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headphones. Sorry, man. No, no, it's fine. Don't

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want to bust your plans. No, no, no, it's fine.

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Don't worry about it. Okay, okay, okay. I'm going

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to get straight to this bit here. Okay. What's

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the bit? You're going to hate me for this shit.

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I know you are. I'm prepared for these questions.

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That's why I came with coffee. There are three

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origin stories behind the name Flying Dutchman.

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Let me just name those three. Yeah. A legendary

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48 -hour radio shift. Yes. A boy delivered a

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KLM flight. Yes. Yes. Or a boss that just couldn't

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pronounce Van Kallenberg. Yes. So you're never

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going to reveal the fact. I will never reveal

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it. People have just got to try and figure out

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which one is the real story. I'm going to tell

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you right here, right now. I know what it is.

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What's the real story? The 48 -hour shift. Who

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knows? Who knows? Okay. People, you got to trust

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me. Let me tell you. It is the 48 -hour shift.

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So he says. It is true. It was a re -diffusion.

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Everybody seems to be on MC on that day. Yes.

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Well, that's the story. That's the story. It

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is the effing story, man. Okay. So he says. So

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he says. No, no, no, no. You got to trust me.

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All 80 plus thousand, almost 90 ,000 of you,

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trust me, okay? 90 ,000 people trusting Chris

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Henson. Yep. That's a national disaster. No,

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it won't be a disaster. It won't be a calamity

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even. I can tell you that it is a, the real story,

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and there's some more things people have asked

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me over the years, by the way, is the 48 -hour

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shift on re -infusion. And it was Nigel who gave

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you that moniker, right? Nigel Mossberg. Actually,

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he came up with the idea. It was approved by,

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um a man i have great respect for larry till

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today um he was a voice that rang on radio oh

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i know who you're talking about eric oh yeah

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oh yeah what a man what a man what a voice he

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was my boss eric lim was your boss yeah okay

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okay my hell of a voice hell of a voice oh man

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i cannot i can never I can never forget that

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voice, I can tell you. Very special voice. Yeah,

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man. So it was decided then, during the days

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of Really Fusion. Yeah, because you see, how

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many people can pronounce Van Kylenburg? It was

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just going to create problems. But I remember

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when I was, I've got to say this, when I was

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younger. I can't even remember when I was younger.

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Okay. When I was young, really, really young,

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with a box in my mother's house. Yes. Called

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the Rediffusion box. $12 a month. I don't even,

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I wouldn't know. I wasn't paying that shit. It

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was about $12 a month. My folks would pay. Or

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$8 a month or something. I can't remember. Yeah,

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but Rediffusion changed a lot of people's lives,

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man. You know this show, right? I mean, I've

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been having this tribute show since we started

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the Chris Hansen conversation. A lot of people

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that I've spoken with, musicians alike as well,

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the influence for many actually came from Beauty

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Fusion. It did because we had everybody who was

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anybody. You think about it. There was Nigel

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Moss Bergen. There was Chris Hall. Chris Hall

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was with us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? I was there.

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We... Larry was there. Larry was there. You know,

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we weren't a radio station. Yeah. We were a community.

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Right. And I think that was... a different time.

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Radio was a different time. If we wanted in those

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days to diss a song, we would do it. We'd play

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a song and say, for goodness sakes, don't go

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out and buy this. It's absolutely rubbish. So

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it was a real... It was honesty. It was honesty.

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So basically it was more like an actual music

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station. What it ought to be. I can't say it's

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what it ought to be. I think music stations have

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evolved over the years. Formatted radio. Formatted

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radio has come into it. So I think radio stations

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are what radio stations need to be today. The

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issues that radio stations have today is what

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kind of content do you put out there? Because

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if you are... you've got to be very, very in

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tune because your audience is not, say, 35 to

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45. Right. Like my current audience is 35 to

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55 and beyond. So what the 35 -year -old listens

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to and wants to hear is not necessarily what

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the 55 -year -old wants to listen to and to hear.

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So I've got to find the middle ground. So radio

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now has become more... thought -provoking for

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the DJ than it ever was before. We would get

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out and we would talk music and that's all we'd

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talk. We wouldn't do stories about life. We wouldn't

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do discussion topics. It didn't exist in those

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days. Right, right, right. But it does now. But

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the thing is today, don't you think, lack of

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a better term, that the marketplace of listenership

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has, lack of a better term again, regressed.

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back to the past of the days like Rediffusion

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when people just demand to just want to listen

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to the music and listen to the discography and

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all that. I tend to disagree with that. People

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want engagement. They want to be able to have

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their say. So, for example, this morning on our

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show, we did What's the Future of Cinema with

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John Louis from The Straits Times. Right. Because

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the projector is closed down. Yeah. Cathay Cineplexes

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are closed down. Yeah. So what's the future of

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cinema in Singapore? And people were wading in.

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There were people who said, I still go because

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it's an event for me. As much as it's expensive,

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and it is, a family of four is close to a hundred

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bucks every time you go to the cinema. So it's

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become an event. So there are those. There are

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others who say, I'd rather watch it at home because

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I can stop the movie whenever I want. I've got

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whatever snacks I want. So there were very, very

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different. opinions. And that comes through now

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on radio. That never came through on the old

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days. Yep, yep, yep. Sure, sure. People want

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to be involved. They want to have a voice. They

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want to have a voice on radio. But then again,

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there's also that big... To me, what I realized

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is that there is a larger, much larger audience

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today that would rather just, hey, can we cut

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the talking to a minimum and just play the music

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or tell us more about the song and the band or

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the singer and the artist, blah, blah, blah.

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It's very interesting you're saying that because

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we just finished some research. Yep. And some

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of the top things that people listen to radio

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for. Top of the list, music with. Entertainment.

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Second on the list, news. Third on the list,

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and this will freak you out. Traffic. Financial

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literacy. No. Yes. That's what they want to hear

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on radio. That's weird. They want to hear that.

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So when you hear radio stations doing a psychologist

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or a career analyst, you've had him on the show.

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Oh. Right? Mm -hmm. People want that because,

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yes, I want the music, but I also need some meat.

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I need some meat that will help me get through

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my day. Right. You know? So it's very interesting.

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We have people currently, when we do a discussion

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topic on our station, they are WhatsApping us

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from New Zealand, from Canada. And these are

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Singaporeans living abroad. Living abroad. And

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how their mindset has changed because they live

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in a different environment. Right. You know?

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Culturally different. Culturally different. They've

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learned to assimilate and now they think differently.

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Right. So you get this whole mixed bag of people

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getting involved in your show. And honestly,

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I do a four -hour show and it feels like 45 minutes.

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It flies because our listeners are getting involved.

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So now when you say, let's say for myself, I

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work on 1FM. 1FM is a media, an SPH media radio

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station. But who does it belong to? It belongs

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to the listeners. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Absolutely.

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Because they are so involved in this. Right.

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They are so involved in this. And I've often

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wanted this to happen. A show like this, how

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do you get your viewers and listeners to chime

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in while it's happening? You need to go live.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? And how do they chime

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in? And when you get them to chime in, you'll

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understand the real thinking behind your listener.

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You're not playing the guessing game anymore.

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Yeah, well, since you asked the question. is

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for people like me in the digital realm, right?

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It would be comments and stuff that come in after

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you post. The video. But you can't then respond

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to that. You can. No, you can't respond to it

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as in immediately. No, like this. No, not. So

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if we're having this discussion and someone completely

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disagrees with me, we can have a discussion with

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that person. You know, I mean, I would love to

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have the day, man, but it will never happen.

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It's called live streaming, bro. No, I know that.

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But live streaming has got its dangers, man,

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since we're talking about that. The reason why

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this show doesn't go on live streaming. First

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of all, it is kind of suicidal. No, that's why

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you have producers. No, no, no. That's the reason

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why. The producers is just dear old Kai and me,

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right? But we don't want it to go live because

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it is suicidal. It really is. If you cannot get

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the kind of viewership coming in when you're

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live during a particular hour, then you're really

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asking for a very short -lived show. Okay. Yeah,

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but if you're going, but this in... you can go

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back to all my episodes all the way to quite

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a few years back, right? And so many episodes

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have been put up. So people can take the time

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to watch. They can stop, pause, play back, you

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know, do whatever they want, you know, whether

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or not it's going to be audio, whether it's going

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to be on video. It's a different animal. I think

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it cannot be compared to radio. But like I was

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about to say, I wish there could come a day,

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which will never happen because of copyright

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laws, right? Where a show like this can do, what

00:17:15.289 --> 00:17:19.269
radio does, you know, taking the calls, playing

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the songs, playing the music and stuff and all

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that, right? Just like a radio, just like formatted

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radio. Like formatted radio. So I ask you the

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question, have you had discussions with Facebook?

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Have you had discussions with Spotify? No. Then

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you can't say it'll never happen. Well, you know,

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again, the discussion should not just be with

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these guys. It could be with whoever. No, Compass.

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Whoever. I did check with Compass. I have, I

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have. And it is the same rules we have to apply.

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Because whatever you have on a Spotify platform

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can't even be aired. It's for personal consumption.

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So that's where we can run into difficulties,

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you see. Okay, so let's just take the Chris Henson

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conversations. And this is for something down

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the road. It's a recorded show. Yeah. But every

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Saturday morning. You're on live for an hour

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and a half. That would be interesting. Right?

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People don't have to call in. Everything is done

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through WhatsApp. WhatsApp is moderated by your

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producer. And you start these conversations with

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people. Taking calls. You don't have to take

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calls. You just use WhatsApp. Right. Okay. Just

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get your messages in on WhatsApp. You reply to

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the messages and it keeps going back and forth.

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And imagine Chris Henson's conversations live

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on a Sunday morning. That'd be quite fun. As

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people have breakfast. That's quite fun. Why

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can't it be done? Yeah, actually. Well, the difference

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here is this. You guys can say, okay, we're going

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back to the music right now, blah, blah, blah.

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You know what I'm saying? There's got to be,

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as you said, there's got to be some kind of entertainment

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element involved. Those are your guests. So if

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you're doing an hour and a half, you can still

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pre -record 15 minutes with guests and play that

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back during your stream. Well, yeah, that can

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be done. It's doable. It's doable. It's a lot

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of work. It's doable. Kai, the man's putting

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us to work. Yes. Thank you. Sorry about that,

00:19:18.660 --> 00:19:22.660
dude. No problem. I love more work. Okay, let's

00:19:22.660 --> 00:19:24.299
talk about you. Let's talk about you. Let's talk

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about you. The name The Flying Dutchman, the

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moniker The Flying Dutchman, allowed you to do

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things Mark Van Kallenberg couldn't. You said

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that before. You've mentioned that before. What

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kind of permission did that persona give you?

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It gave me, the ability to say what I felt needed

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to be said. But Mark Van Calen couldn't say?

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Couldn't say it. Why? You're one and the same

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guy. No. I think what you've got to realize is

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we call it a moniker, but my eyes were opened

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a few years ago when someone said, you are a

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brand. So I'm a brand. A brand has an image.

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People expect a certain thing from that image.

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Right. So if you listen to 1FM, you will find

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that many is the time I am borderline. I push.

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Okay. Push the ante a little bit more. Yeah.

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You know, it's like, how much can I say on this

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show? You say whatever you want, man. Okay. So

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the other day. The other day, weather was said

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to be hot and yet wet. Okay. I said it's exactly

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the way I like my women. And you got away with

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that shit? And I got away with it. Usually you

00:20:49.690 --> 00:20:51.289
wouldn't, right? No. How many people would get

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away with that? No, no. Why? It's become expected.

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If he doesn't - By the regulator? No, no, by

00:21:01.390 --> 00:21:03.930
the audience. Okay. So I run the risk of getting

00:21:03.930 --> 00:21:07.549
caught. Right. Because people, it's like Kuma.

00:21:07.650 --> 00:21:10.450
You can't bring Kuma up on the stage and say,

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don't do this and don't do that. It's not Kuma.

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Yeah, he'd give you the finger, man. Yeah, he

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would. It's not Kuma. But that is me. At the

00:21:19.289 --> 00:21:23.210
same time, I can be very serious, very level

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-headed, and very 69 -year -old. Right. Oh, crap,

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I forgot you're 69. So people listen or watch

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on Facebook and they go, so what's he going to

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say today? Okay. They don't know. I don't know.

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Okay. But again, how is it you could get away

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with it? It's the brand. Oh, come on, man. It

00:21:50.460 --> 00:21:54.579
is a brand. It is a brand. I should give myself

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a fucking brand name. And I have respect for

00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.660
the people out there who are on social media

00:22:03.660 --> 00:22:06.700
and listen and have the right to comment, but

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I'm not afraid of them. Okay. I'm not afraid

00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:13.039
of them. Okay. If you don't like something I

00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:16.799
say, that's okay. You're entitled to your opinion.

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Sure. I'm entitled to mine. Even in these days,

00:22:22.069 --> 00:22:26.950
you know, of the word cancel, being canceled

00:22:26.950 --> 00:22:29.349
out. Yeah, cancel culture is cancel culture.

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I believe that certain people have said things,

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and yes, maybe they do deserve to be canceled.

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But at the same time... I need to be honest.

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I need to be who I am. I need to be who my listeners

00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:45.140
expect me to be. And this is very disconcerting.

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You have Elvis Presley there. Yeah. It's very

00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:50.480
disconcerting. Why? Because I just realized he

00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:52.779
was there. I was wondering who the hell that

00:22:52.779 --> 00:22:56.059
was. Yeah. So I need to be able to say what I

00:22:56.059 --> 00:22:59.000
need to say. Everybody is entitled to their opinions.

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And I try to put that across. There are people

00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:05.579
who don't like what I say. There have always

00:23:05.579 --> 00:23:07.259
been people who don't like what I say. Yeah.

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And you're entitled to that. Right. You know?

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But then again, you don't have the bosses or

00:23:12.779 --> 00:23:14.519
the regulator bringing down your neck. No, I

00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:19.259
do. I do. When I go too far, I do get a very,

00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:22.099
very hard whack on the wrist. Okay. I do. And

00:23:22.099 --> 00:23:23.779
what do you do? Do you pull back or not? I have

00:23:23.779 --> 00:23:26.440
to. Okay. I have to pull back because I have

00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:28.700
to understand that there's more than my image,

00:23:28.779 --> 00:23:31.119
more than 1FM. There's the whole of SPH behind

00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:34.869
this. Okay. So I have to. Every once in a while,

00:23:34.950 --> 00:23:42.990
I just, I'm sorry, it's me. So FD does tap on

00:23:42.990 --> 00:23:45.349
the brakes. Once in a while. Okay, give me one

00:23:45.349 --> 00:23:49.609
example. The kind of trouble that FD got into

00:23:49.609 --> 00:23:54.349
that you, as Mark Van Kallenberg, couldn't get

00:23:54.349 --> 00:23:58.059
away with. Okay. I think I would have lost my

00:23:58.059 --> 00:23:59.900
job and my career would have been down the tubes.

00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:02.099
Many years ago, I was not focusing on a radio

00:24:02.099 --> 00:24:05.500
show. I won't say who I was with. One of them

00:24:05.500 --> 00:24:10.660
is dearly departed now. And I wasn't focusing.

00:24:10.779 --> 00:24:12.779
I was prepping a story. I wasn't focusing on

00:24:12.779 --> 00:24:15.180
what was happening. And I can say anything I

00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:19.279
want on the show. Sure, please. So they were

00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:23.509
talking. I thought we were off air. I thought

00:24:23.509 --> 00:24:26.549
this whole discussion was a buildup to what was

00:24:26.549 --> 00:24:28.769
going to happen on air. I didn't realize we were

00:24:28.769 --> 00:24:30.230
on air. I wasn't looking at lights or anything

00:24:30.230 --> 00:24:34.390
like that. And the question came, so FD, what

00:24:34.390 --> 00:24:36.650
do you think? And I went, I've got no fucking

00:24:36.650 --> 00:24:42.789
idea. Oh, crap. And you were on air. I got fined.

00:24:42.990 --> 00:24:46.970
I didn't get suspended. I got fined. Right. But

00:24:46.970 --> 00:24:48.910
would the Flying Dutchman have just been fined?

00:24:49.390 --> 00:24:52.109
Would Mark Rand Kallenberg have just been fired?

00:24:52.230 --> 00:24:53.730
You would have been fired. I would have been

00:24:53.730 --> 00:24:57.490
fired. But the brand was important to the station.

00:24:59.130 --> 00:25:03.230
So far, so far, there's only two of you on air.

00:25:03.329 --> 00:25:05.990
Today, today. Even in history, I can't remember

00:25:05.990 --> 00:25:09.410
anyone else. Help me out, okay? There's only

00:25:09.410 --> 00:25:13.890
you and X that has got your own brand. I disagree.

00:25:14.089 --> 00:25:16.130
I think there are a lot of brands on radio today.

00:25:16.130 --> 00:25:21.660
Like who? Eagle Man's a brand. Who? Glenn. Glenn's

00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:24.700
a brand. Okay. Glenn's a brand, but not known

00:25:24.700 --> 00:25:26.380
as an ego man, but just as Glenn. No, because

00:25:26.380 --> 00:25:28.960
he doesn't push it as much. Right. He doesn't?

00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.880
No, because no one uses Mark van Kallenberg.

00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:34.180
Everybody uses the Flying Dutchman. It's in your

00:25:34.180 --> 00:25:36.140
face. Right. So that's how the brand developed.

00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:38.859
Okay. The advertising, everything was the Flying

00:25:38.859 --> 00:25:40.619
Dutchman, the Flying Dutchman, the Flying Dutchman.

00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:44.420
So you need not actually have a moniker. To build

00:25:44.420 --> 00:25:46.980
a brand. You can build your name. You can build

00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:49.400
a brand. Right. What makes you think Chris Henson

00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:50.940
isn't a brand now with the conversation? I don't

00:25:50.940 --> 00:25:54.940
think I am. Ask that of your 90 ,000 people who

00:25:54.940 --> 00:25:57.740
follow you. Oh, man. I don't know, man. I never

00:25:57.740 --> 00:25:59.859
looked at things that way. But you need to start

00:25:59.859 --> 00:26:03.299
looking that way. That's what gives you longevity.

00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:07.480
Personally, you will never have that longevity.

00:26:07.700 --> 00:26:11.720
A brand has that longevity. Well, I thought long

00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:14.549
and hard, you know, bro. When, you know, a couple

00:26:14.549 --> 00:26:16.849
of years back, right? When on that first show,

00:26:16.990 --> 00:26:19.369
you were the only one that didn't belong to me.

00:26:19.730 --> 00:26:21.950
Yeah. That was Kopi with Chris. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:26:22.009 --> 00:26:25.190
I fucking said it. Kai said it, Kai. Kopi with

00:26:25.190 --> 00:26:27.089
Chris. Good Lord. Oh, here we go. That was a

00:26:27.089 --> 00:26:30.289
while ago. No, FD said it. That was a while ago.

00:26:30.369 --> 00:26:33.369
It was like, what, five years back? And my first

00:26:33.369 --> 00:26:37.630
foray into podcasting, right? Yeah. And I had

00:26:37.630 --> 00:26:40.150
so much fun. And when the show was shut down,

00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:43.000
I couldn't retain that name because it didn't

00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:46.079
belong to me. So I spent two years building this,

00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:49.019
what you see right here, and building this show.

00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:51.660
Now, there came a point naturally I had to sit

00:26:51.660 --> 00:26:56.000
down and think, how should I name the show? And

00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.319
a lot of bullshit came up. No worries. A lot

00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.240
of bullshit came about. To me, it didn't work.

00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:06.160
And maybe you're right because I came to this

00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:11.000
crossroads where should I... I had a little regret

00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.720
with Kopi with Chris because it was just Chris.

00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:16.240
There are a lot of Chris's out there, man. Right?

00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:19.720
And, and, and the then producer told me, no,

00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:21.700
you shouldn't, I mean, you know, why do you,

00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:23.599
it's so much ego, you know, right? You've got,

00:27:23.660 --> 00:27:25.660
you know, you've just put out your full name.

00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.680
I said, fuck, but that's my name. And they can,

00:27:28.779 --> 00:27:30.839
there's only, as far as I know, in this country,

00:27:30.940 --> 00:27:32.940
there's only one Chris Hansen. Exactly. That's

00:27:32.940 --> 00:27:35.519
why the last two episodes, I can tell you, my

00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:37.680
guests that were here, Sky was here, Sky's here.

00:27:37.900 --> 00:27:39.799
Oh, right, yeah. Remember the, Wonderful singer.

00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:41.519
Wonderful singer. One that sang the Whitney Houston

00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:44.460
song. Oh, my goodness. She was here. Reggie Leo

00:27:44.460 --> 00:27:47.119
was here. And I said, there can only be one Chris

00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:52.259
Hansen. Sorry. So I told myself, no, man, I got

00:27:52.259 --> 00:27:55.940
to start the show. I got to start branding the

00:27:55.940 --> 00:27:59.880
show. I never used that term, actually. I just

00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:01.779
wanted to make sure there's a name that will

00:28:01.779 --> 00:28:04.200
stick and it's going to be my name. You know,

00:28:04.220 --> 00:28:06.400
you've got 90 ,000 listeners. Brand yourself.

00:28:07.069 --> 00:28:09.910
Yeah. Spend time. Spend a few bucks. Good advice,

00:28:10.049 --> 00:28:12.750
brother. Brand yourself. Yeah, you're right,

00:28:12.829 --> 00:28:15.529
man. Before you became that voice in the airways,

00:28:15.710 --> 00:28:20.970
I know the story. My viewers don't. You were

00:28:20.970 --> 00:28:23.930
a model. I was a model, yeah. I modeled jeans.

00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:27.599
I kid you not, I model jeans. Because apparently

00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:31.519
when I was young, I had a nice ass. Right now

00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:33.460
my ass is down by the back of my knees somewhere.

00:28:33.579 --> 00:28:35.700
But yeah, apparently when I was young, I had

00:28:35.700 --> 00:28:38.460
a nice ass. No, don't worry. Your ass is still

00:28:38.460 --> 00:28:39.920
kind of high, bro. It's not down to your knees

00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:44.500
yet. I was walking behind you just now. And a

00:28:44.500 --> 00:28:46.619
fashion show host. You do all the fashion shows,

00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:48.579
right? All the catwalk stuff. Catwalks. I used

00:28:48.579 --> 00:28:51.819
to do a lot of the beauty pageants here as well.

00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:54.420
That one I know. Yeah. My goodness, how you tahan.

00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:57.660
You know. I can't stand it, man. Why? I can't.

00:28:58.180 --> 00:29:02.799
It's like. I don't know. I just find it a little

00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:06.140
bit too pretentious. It depends. It depends.

00:29:06.940 --> 00:29:09.259
You've got to. And there's so many things to

00:29:09.259 --> 00:29:10.740
remember. You've got to ask the stupid questions.

00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:13.039
You did the Miss Universe Singapore thing, right?

00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:14.859
Yeah. Yeah, I know. Of course, you've got to

00:29:14.859 --> 00:29:17.160
ask the right questions. But you've got to understand

00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.819
that your job when you're doing a pageant. Yeah.

00:29:22.029 --> 00:29:26.470
is to bring out the personality of the contestant.

00:29:26.849 --> 00:29:30.190
So you're given one question. It's your tone,

00:29:30.250 --> 00:29:31.990
it's your pace, it's how you look at the question.

00:29:31.990 --> 00:29:33.869
But it's not your question. It's not my question.

00:29:33.930 --> 00:29:36.390
But they see what a lot of people don't realize

00:29:36.390 --> 00:29:38.349
is the girl answers the question and they go,

00:29:38.390 --> 00:29:41.569
thank you very much. But if that answer led to

00:29:41.569 --> 00:29:44.539
a second question, ask it. Okay, so you're saying

00:29:44.539 --> 00:29:46.619
thread it along. Thread it. You're allowed to

00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:48.960
do that. Yeah, in those days I was. Now, what

00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:50.380
do you think? Do you think they still allow shit

00:29:50.380 --> 00:29:51.819
like that? I don't even know how the Singapore

00:29:51.819 --> 00:29:56.380
universe runs these days. I have no idea. I don't

00:29:56.380 --> 00:29:58.680
know, man. I'm always frightened by these things

00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:01.400
because, you know, my mouth gets me into a lot

00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:08.960
of trouble. And I just don't want to tread into

00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:11.359
that territory, man. But you did all that. I

00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:17.559
know that. But the late Paul Chong found you.

00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:21.579
He discovered me. Yeah. Did he ever tell you

00:30:21.579 --> 00:30:27.180
what he saw in his young fashionable youth? God

00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:32.359
rest his soul. Oh, Mr. JBL, bro. Nah, Mr. JBL,

00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.359
yeah. No, but Paul, I remember I was hosting

00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:39.180
a fashion show and Paul had a satellite studio.

00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:43.299
This is, I can't remember. What was the name

00:30:43.299 --> 00:30:46.700
of the department store? It's gone now. It's

00:30:46.700 --> 00:30:50.779
where Funan IT Mall is. It was a department store.

00:30:50.819 --> 00:30:53.619
Yeah, yeah. And there was a long staircase and

00:30:53.619 --> 00:30:55.539
we used to do fashion shows on that staircase.

00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:57.880
No shit. With people walking up and down. The

00:30:57.880 --> 00:30:59.059
girls walking up and down. When was this? This

00:30:59.059 --> 00:31:04.059
is like what? 1980? No. Earlier. This was early

00:31:04.059 --> 00:31:09.170
70s, mid 70s. Really? Yeah. And he was doing

00:31:09.170 --> 00:31:12.390
a satellite studio. He played a P song and went

00:31:12.390 --> 00:31:14.750
to the toilet. When his shift was over. He played

00:31:14.750 --> 00:31:18.029
a what? A P song. The long one. The seven minute

00:31:18.029 --> 00:31:20.490
song. I'm going to play seven minutes of American

00:31:20.490 --> 00:31:23.049
Pie and I need to go to the toilet. Yeah, that's

00:31:23.049 --> 00:31:26.329
what it was. And when his show was over, he came

00:31:26.329 --> 00:31:28.849
out and he looked at me and he said only one

00:31:28.849 --> 00:31:33.150
thing. Do you want to do radio? That was it.

00:31:33.430 --> 00:31:38.089
And I said. I'm impressionable. I saw radio,

00:31:38.230 --> 00:31:41.890
and I kid you not, people, I saw radio as $25

00:31:41.890 --> 00:31:46.829
million a year. I'm still not earning $25 million

00:31:46.829 --> 00:31:50.890
a year, but that's what I saw. And he arranged

00:31:50.890 --> 00:31:54.609
for me to meet Eric Lim at Rediffusion, and I

00:31:54.609 --> 00:31:57.970
did a voice test, and I was on air in a week.

00:31:58.250 --> 00:32:01.589
Wow. There was no training. So it was all Paul.

00:32:01.710 --> 00:32:04.279
You learned how to work turntables. You learned

00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:06.819
how to work a mixer board. You learned the library,

00:32:06.940 --> 00:32:09.180
because in those days, we had to go to a library,

00:32:09.299 --> 00:32:14.240
pull out every record, carry it to the studio,

00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:16.380
play it, then go back to the library and put

00:32:16.380 --> 00:32:18.660
it back in exactly the same place. While the

00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:20.339
show was going on? No, no. After your show, you

00:32:20.339 --> 00:32:21.220
went back and put everything back. Okay, go back

00:32:21.220 --> 00:32:24.140
and put everything back. Yeah, so that's how

00:32:24.140 --> 00:32:26.279
it all started. Wait, let me try to understand

00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:28.380
the difference between then and now, yeah? Really,

00:32:28.380 --> 00:32:32.470
Fusion? Okay. I've been to the studio once. Clemenceau

00:32:32.470 --> 00:32:35.890
Avenue. In Clemenceau. Yeah. Remember back then

00:32:35.890 --> 00:32:37.869
when Chris Ho was still there. Yeah, yeah. When

00:32:37.869 --> 00:32:42.170
the late Bonita Nelson was there. Yes. And there

00:32:42.170 --> 00:32:46.630
was this program called So You Want to Be a DJ.

00:32:46.849 --> 00:32:49.750
Yeah, yeah. I was on one of those. Yeah. So that

00:32:49.750 --> 00:32:52.230
was how badly, man, I wanted to get on. You've

00:32:52.230 --> 00:32:55.230
always wanted to be on. Ah, shit. Well, anyway.

00:32:56.210 --> 00:33:01.609
Anyway, so. Dude, I'm going to die. No, I'm going

00:33:01.609 --> 00:33:05.809
to die nine feet underground, you know, and have

00:33:05.809 --> 00:33:07.430
this fucking regret, man. It's six feet, bro.

00:33:07.829 --> 00:33:09.490
It's nine feet. For me, it's got to be nine feet,

00:33:09.529 --> 00:33:11.470
bro, because look at the size of me. Okay. Six

00:33:11.470 --> 00:33:13.910
feet is going to be 250 shadow. Okay, cool. So

00:33:13.910 --> 00:33:17.009
I'm going to go with that regret, man, you know,

00:33:17.009 --> 00:33:20.250
not having gone on air, on radio. Okay. Yeah,

00:33:20.410 --> 00:33:22.470
I will. I will. You know, and it's something

00:33:22.470 --> 00:33:26.619
that I will never. ever get over listen let me

00:33:26.619 --> 00:33:29.079
put this into perspective yeah you have 90 000

00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:33.380
followers yeah yeah okay yeah how many of those

00:33:33.380 --> 00:33:36.519
people are saying the same thing about you now

00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:41.000
oh i am going to go to my grave not being chris

00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:43.740
henson you know i cannot wrap my head around

00:33:43.740 --> 00:33:46.599
that hey wrap your head around it because i can

00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:49.880
guarantee you among your 90 000 followers there

00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.680
are people saying exactly that i wish i could

00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:55.549
do what he's doing. And this is the thing about

00:33:55.549 --> 00:33:57.829
people like yourselves who do this, about people

00:33:57.829 --> 00:34:00.970
like me who work on radio, it's aspirational.

00:34:01.269 --> 00:34:06.000
Everybody wants to be us. And that's why we have

00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.000
a responsibility. Everybody who wants to be you,

00:34:08.139 --> 00:34:11.619
I can understand. I'll tell you guys a story

00:34:11.619 --> 00:34:15.340
very soon about that. But I just want to get

00:34:15.340 --> 00:34:17.500
back to that story. I went down to Clemenceau.

00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:20.440
I went into the Fusion studio. I cannot remember

00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.119
who she was. She's such a nice girl. She was

00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.420
the one that was handling all the music. She

00:34:26.420 --> 00:34:28.579
was this DJ that was there. This young girl,

00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:32.760
short hair, glasses. And I did all the voicing.

00:34:33.269 --> 00:34:36.170
And I did talk sets. And then after that, she

00:34:36.170 --> 00:34:38.150
played the music. And then I was just looking

00:34:38.150 --> 00:34:42.130
around the studio, man. Then I saw Mark Twos.

00:34:42.329 --> 00:34:45.230
Yes. The old Mark Twos. Record players. Record

00:34:45.230 --> 00:34:46.610
players. For those of you who don't know, record

00:34:46.610 --> 00:34:51.650
players. And then, what was it? Cartridges. Cartridges.

00:34:52.789 --> 00:34:56.539
Yeah. If you remember eight tracks, eight track

00:34:56.539 --> 00:34:59.059
cartridges, that's what they were. I mean, there's

00:34:59.059 --> 00:35:00.920
cassettes and there's this big ass thing called

00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:03.280
a cartridge. It's music inside. It's like a reel,

00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:08.099
right? And I was like, it's rudimentary. It was

00:35:08.099 --> 00:35:10.420
so rudimentary, man. The mixer board was just

00:35:10.420 --> 00:35:12.179
a normal mixer board. There was nothing special.

00:35:12.219 --> 00:35:14.139
And that's how you run your broadcast. Yeah.

00:35:14.179 --> 00:35:16.619
Not anymore, though. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean,

00:35:16.659 --> 00:35:18.780
I understand how the panel is like. Now we've

00:35:18.780 --> 00:35:22.079
got. computer systems and editing systems. Yeah,

00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:23.920
yeah, yeah. All kinds of things. Yeah, then it

00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:26.460
keeps you in time as well. It does. Yeah, back

00:35:26.460 --> 00:35:28.480
then you look at your clock. Yeah, you literally

00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:32.619
look at the clock. Wow, wow. So which do you

00:35:32.619 --> 00:35:35.380
prefer? Your personal preference between the

00:35:35.380 --> 00:35:38.760
hands -on, get the records out, you know, do

00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:41.800
your own music programming, put on the records,

00:35:41.900 --> 00:35:44.159
and then compare it to everything that's digital

00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:47.880
today. It's very different. What's your preference?

00:35:49.289 --> 00:35:52.170
I enjoyed the records. The manual stuff. The

00:35:52.170 --> 00:35:55.530
manual stuff. But it never gave me the time to

00:35:55.530 --> 00:35:58.369
express myself that I have now. Because you had

00:35:58.369 --> 00:36:00.809
to focus and all that. Yeah. Now I have time

00:36:00.809 --> 00:36:02.929
to express myself. One, because we run computers

00:36:02.929 --> 00:36:06.750
that help us keep time. Two, I have producers,

00:36:07.070 --> 00:36:10.530
which we never had. So the producers do all of

00:36:10.530 --> 00:36:13.110
that. They do. They take the calls. They do all

00:36:13.110 --> 00:36:15.210
the editing that needs to be done. They do it

00:36:15.210 --> 00:36:19.780
all. Bloody hell. We are there. For content.

00:36:19.900 --> 00:36:23.179
So you're there to facilitate. Yeah. Wear the

00:36:23.179 --> 00:36:26.480
glue that binds the glitter. By the way, that's

00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:29.320
mine. I know. It's mine. I know. I've got rights

00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.039
to that. I know. Yeah, I got to say that first.

00:36:31.139 --> 00:36:34.300
But that's what it is. That's what it is. Yeah,

00:36:34.340 --> 00:36:37.760
I mean, your producers are so fun, right? Takes

00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:39.699
on a load of you, man. You were talking about

00:36:39.699 --> 00:36:41.260
Vanessa Milsom just now. Yeah. You mentioned

00:36:41.260 --> 00:36:43.559
her name. Do you know that her granddaughter

00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:47.400
Yeah. is now one of the producers for the Kiss

00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:50.369
Morning Show? Oh, is that right? Yeah. Cheyenne

00:36:50.369 --> 00:36:52.909
is her granddaughter. Cheyenne is her granddaughter.

00:36:53.329 --> 00:36:59.090
Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Wow. Small world, yeah. Oh. Very

00:36:59.090 --> 00:37:03.349
small world. Let's talk about your, you know,

00:37:03.389 --> 00:37:09.289
the golden era of radio partnerships, man. You

00:37:09.289 --> 00:37:11.289
know I'm going to go there. I've worked to the

00:37:11.289 --> 00:37:14.710
best. I've been so lucky. I've been blessed by

00:37:14.710 --> 00:37:17.800
God. Yep. You have. That one I can say. I mean,

00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:19.619
we are good friends, man. I mean, we've known

00:37:19.619 --> 00:37:22.159
each other for decades. So that one I can say

00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:24.559
quite clearly. I have been blessed by God. Yeah.

00:37:24.699 --> 00:37:27.099
And it all started with the Morning Express.

00:37:27.340 --> 00:37:30.480
Started with the Morning Express with Joe Augustine.

00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:33.380
That is a partnership. There are two partnerships

00:37:33.380 --> 00:37:39.940
radio will never see again. And even, I believe,

00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:42.760
Joe and the Flying Dutchman, if you put us together

00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:46.260
now, wouldn't be the same. Why? We've grown in

00:37:46.260 --> 00:37:49.239
different directions. As people? As people. It

00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:51.239
would never be the same. We came together at

00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.159
the right time in each of our lives, and we just

00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:57.659
gelled. Okay. And you know how people say, oh,

00:37:57.699 --> 00:38:00.059
we'll get together, we'll build chemistry? That's

00:38:00.059 --> 00:38:01.840
the most difficult thing. Right. But when you

00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:04.079
have someone like, when I came in with Joe, he

00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.719
was welcoming, he was open arms, he showed me

00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:10.440
the ropes of what Mediacorp was, and that chemistry

00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:14.400
was instant. Okay. It was instant. The other

00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:17.699
partnership you'll never see again, unless it

00:38:17.699 --> 00:38:21.880
happens very soon, is Glenn and myself. Okay.

00:38:23.260 --> 00:38:27.000
It's not going to happen again. Okay. So the

00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:28.659
chemistry between you and Glenn is still ongoing,

00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.559
right? It can still be ongoing. Let me rephrase

00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:33.460
that. It can still be ongoing if we're brought

00:38:33.460 --> 00:38:35.360
back together again near enough in the future.

00:38:35.460 --> 00:38:38.800
But if we wait four or five years, it will be

00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:42.000
gone. Okay. You also had a partnership with Vernetta

00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:47.949
Lopez. One of the best. Two women I have thoroughly,

00:38:48.070 --> 00:38:50.929
thoroughly enjoyed working with. Vanessa Lopez

00:38:50.929 --> 00:38:57.190
and Carrie Chong. Okay. Two women. I'd work with

00:38:57.190 --> 00:38:59.610
them again, drop of a hat. Okay. So Carrie is

00:38:59.610 --> 00:39:01.489
no longer your partner as of today? No, she's

00:39:01.489 --> 00:39:03.110
not. Lavinia is on the show. Lavinia is on the

00:39:03.110 --> 00:39:07.409
show. Lavinia is a very funny lady. And I really

00:39:07.409 --> 00:39:09.730
want to see where this show goes with her. Okay.

00:39:11.299 --> 00:39:14.400
Any secret ingredient to your chemistry between

00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:18.840
you and everyone who wants to know about this

00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:23.699
one, Glenn Ong? Glenn knew how to push my buttons.

00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:26.659
Fuck yeah. Yeah. He knows how to push a lot of

00:39:26.659 --> 00:39:29.239
people's buttons. And he knew it. He knew how

00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:32.360
to do it. But at the same time, Glenn knew that

00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:34.199
if he was busy on the other side, because Glenn

00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:36.519
used to run panels when we first started. Yeah.

00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:40.159
And I've never been a panel operator. Lucky you.

00:39:40.300 --> 00:39:43.679
Lucky me. And Glenn knew that if he was ever

00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:47.300
caught in a bind, he just had to look and I would

00:39:47.300 --> 00:39:50.099
have something ready. Okay. That was one thing.

00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:52.739
The other thing was he knew how to push my buttons.

00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:55.840
And you've heard it. We got angry with each other

00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:59.219
on it. Yeah. But the show was the show. Show

00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:02.199
finished. That was it. It was done. Okay. It

00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:04.019
was never carried on outside of the show. Okay.

00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:07.559
It was for the show. The show. And this is the

00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:11.099
thing. as I'm sure you do with Chris Henson Conversations.

00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:16.619
This is, it's not work. It's something you own.

00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:20.840
Yeah. It's an institution in itself. Yeah. So

00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:25.760
you come to, say, the morning drive on 1FM, and

00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:29.820
you come to work. You're not working. This is

00:40:29.820 --> 00:40:34.380
a passion. This is a love you have. The minute,

00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.679
I believe, you come into radio. and you're working,

00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:41.400
get out. It's like what you and I used to tell

00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:44.159
all the kids. Kids, shit, stop that, Chris. They

00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:50.219
were kids, at least to me. 69, folks, 69. Yeah,

00:40:50.260 --> 00:40:52.619
I mean, to all the people that came in and out

00:40:52.619 --> 00:40:55.480
of our door at the MC Academy, man, that nothing

00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:59.139
is bigger than the show. Nothing's bigger than

00:40:59.139 --> 00:41:00.559
the show. Yeah, nothing's bigger than the show.

00:41:00.579 --> 00:41:02.440
It's always about the show, nothing else. Not

00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:05.130
about us. None about anyone else but the show.

00:41:05.309 --> 00:41:11.050
And the show is only as good, your show is only

00:41:11.050 --> 00:41:14.449
as good as your last show. Yep. You can do five

00:41:14.449 --> 00:41:17.369
years of great shows, you do one bad show, and

00:41:17.369 --> 00:41:21.070
everybody goes, what the hell? Well, yeah. I

00:41:21.070 --> 00:41:23.409
mean, one bad show and then after that, no one's

00:41:23.409 --> 00:41:25.849
going to call you back again. Yeah. You're done.

00:41:26.010 --> 00:41:28.610
It's the same when you do MC work. Yeah. Absolutely.

00:41:29.250 --> 00:41:32.170
It's the same. Very much so. Yeah. I'm always

00:41:32.170 --> 00:41:33.690
worried about fucking up the next show, man.

00:41:33.750 --> 00:41:36.730
Yeah, of course. Yeah. Of course. I know. There's

00:41:36.730 --> 00:41:40.409
separation between... This is like two couples

00:41:40.409 --> 00:41:42.489
breaking up. It's like husband and wife. Ridiculous.

00:41:43.309 --> 00:41:48.909
Glenn was the wife, by the way. No wonder his...

00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:51.179
Butt looks pretty like, you know, nice and rounded

00:41:51.179 --> 00:41:54.920
and stuff. Have you seen his legs? Holy hell.

00:41:55.460 --> 00:41:57.139
Here am I talking about his butt and everybody

00:41:57.139 --> 00:41:59.260
talks about his legs. This boy can walk around

00:41:59.260 --> 00:42:02.519
in a miniskirt and look good. Was it a difficult

00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:05.860
separation, man? Very. Very. Tell me about it.

00:42:07.420 --> 00:42:10.480
There were a lot of tears and it was hard because

00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:14.599
as much as I... I was very excited about going

00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:17.599
back to one because I understood the music and

00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:19.539
everything. But I was going into a situation

00:42:19.539 --> 00:42:21.139
where I was working with someone I'd never worked

00:42:21.139 --> 00:42:25.900
with before. I didn't know whether one was the

00:42:25.900 --> 00:42:31.659
same one I'd left. And I was leaving something

00:42:31.659 --> 00:42:34.159
that I knew, something I was really comfortable

00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:38.420
with. So I was taken out of my comfort zone for

00:42:38.420 --> 00:42:43.599
a while. Then I went into one. I was with Lavinia

00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.260
for all of two days, I think, or something. Right.

00:42:46.739 --> 00:42:49.059
Then she had to go on medical leave. Right. And

00:42:49.059 --> 00:42:50.699
then for eight, nine months, I was with Carrie

00:42:50.699 --> 00:42:55.420
Chong. Right. And again, that chemistry was instant.

00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:59.639
Okay. So it made it easier. But the breakup,

00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:03.760
damn, that was hard. It was really hard. Because,

00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:05.159
I mean, how many years? You wanted to leave,

00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:11.710
right? I needed a change. I wouldn't say I wanted

00:43:11.710 --> 00:43:15.090
to leave. Why do you need the change? I'm getting

00:43:15.090 --> 00:43:20.449
older. I find it very hard. How do I put this?

00:43:20.789 --> 00:43:24.889
To relate. No. I find it very hard to understand

00:43:24.889 --> 00:43:29.429
how a 15 -year -old will understand me. But that

00:43:29.429 --> 00:43:31.409
is part of the target audience of kids. Right.

00:43:31.710 --> 00:43:35.730
So am I doing justice to that station? Glenn

00:43:35.730 --> 00:43:39.010
is my age. Yeah. How does he relate to a 15 -year

00:43:39.010 --> 00:43:40.960
-old? 15 -year -old. You'll have to ask him that.

00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:45.980
I have no idea. But he's also very in tune with

00:43:45.980 --> 00:43:48.519
what's happening, what's happening in Korea.

00:43:48.980 --> 00:43:53.159
So he's still a kid then? He's in tune. I know

00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:54.880
there are a lot of you out there that love Korean

00:43:54.880 --> 00:44:00.000
music. I love the music. That's it. That's about

00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:02.099
it, yeah. You just don't understand the language.

00:44:02.179 --> 00:44:03.699
I don't understand the language. Me too, I'm

00:44:03.699 --> 00:44:06.300
like you, man. Why must every group have 17 ,000

00:44:06.300 --> 00:44:11.019
people in it? Yeah. Seven, eight, nine guys in

00:44:11.019 --> 00:44:12.599
a band. And they all look the same. And they

00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:14.079
all look the same. And the same with the girls.

00:44:14.139 --> 00:44:15.760
They all look the same. But look at Glenn. Look

00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:18.099
at his hairstyle, man. It's like a K -pop star's

00:44:18.099 --> 00:44:20.039
hairstyle. Well, if you look at Glenn going back

00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:22.400
to the early 2000s, he was the first Korean pop

00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:26.889
star. If you stop to think about it. actually

00:44:26.889 --> 00:44:29.949
yeah look at his hairstyle i i'm just looking

00:44:29.949 --> 00:44:33.369
him what yesterday i think um on online on my

00:44:33.369 --> 00:44:37.789
socials the hair sounds like he's just he's like

00:44:37.789 --> 00:44:40.190
not grown old but i'll tell you you will never

00:44:40.190 --> 00:44:43.309
find anybody as dedicated to radio as glennon

00:44:43.309 --> 00:44:46.389
i am pretty sure man yeah he's he's so dedicated

00:44:46.389 --> 00:44:51.590
to his craft okay but glenn very hard for you

00:44:51.590 --> 00:44:53.650
to pass his storyline remember back in school

00:44:53.650 --> 00:44:57.809
really Guess what I'm using on air tomorrow.

00:44:58.750 --> 00:45:01.789
Dude, I'm saying it. I don't give a shit. Glenn

00:45:01.789 --> 00:45:04.650
and I, we knew, know, we know. We've been friends

00:45:04.650 --> 00:45:07.289
since we were seven years old. We were in school

00:45:07.289 --> 00:45:09.170
together. For most parts, we were classmates.

00:45:09.449 --> 00:45:12.449
All the way through secondary school. This joker,

00:45:12.570 --> 00:45:17.289
every time we get history results back, everyone,

00:45:17.429 --> 00:45:21.230
everyone passes except one. Till we got used

00:45:21.230 --> 00:45:24.219
to it. There you go. He's always the one failing

00:45:24.219 --> 00:45:27.420
history, man. We don't get it. We just don't

00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:30.800
get it. He set a record for St. Patrick's. Almost.

00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.579
So the audience in Kids 92, too young. But you're

00:45:36.579 --> 00:45:39.280
not kind of glad, though, that you made this

00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:41.860
decision, bro. It's your friend, yeah? It's an

00:45:41.860 --> 00:45:48.360
old friend, I can tell you. Yeah. Probably, you're

00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:49.920
older than X, right? You're older than William

00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:52.780
Xavier, right? You're older, right? I think on

00:45:52.780 --> 00:45:54.320
English radio, I'm the oldest person. You're

00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:55.840
the oldest, dude. I'm the oldest person. You're

00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:57.940
the oldest. You cannot possibly. Now that Uncle

00:45:57.940 --> 00:46:00.639
Brian is retired. Yeah? Yeah, I'll be the oldest.

00:46:00.739 --> 00:46:02.280
Yeah, you're the oldest. And since you're the

00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:06.280
oldest, you should not be in a station that's

00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:09.420
catered for people that young. Yeah, maybe, maybe.

00:46:09.539 --> 00:46:12.539
But the bosses made the decision. The demographics

00:46:12.539 --> 00:46:15.139
is just not right. I've got a new lease on life,

00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:17.849
I've got to tell you. I love going to work, man.

00:46:17.929 --> 00:46:20.110
I can't wait to go to work. Really? Yeah. How

00:46:20.110 --> 00:46:23.349
come? Because of the new... New station. Because

00:46:23.349 --> 00:46:25.710
you're back where you think you feel belonged?

00:46:26.230 --> 00:46:28.769
I'm back where I'm comfortable. Yeah, where you

00:46:28.769 --> 00:46:30.969
belong. Yeah. It's another way of saying it.

00:46:31.750 --> 00:46:35.050
I'll just say comfortable. Okay. I'm going to

00:46:35.050 --> 00:46:36.650
skip some questions, man. Absolutely. Because

00:46:36.650 --> 00:46:38.710
I look at it and I get bored, boy. Okay. Who

00:46:38.710 --> 00:46:42.210
wrote the questions? I don't know. I did. Let's

00:46:42.210 --> 00:46:44.750
talk about your MC career. Oh, my God. Now, that's

00:46:44.750 --> 00:46:47.289
50 years, man. Half a freaking century. Oh, yeah.

00:46:47.889 --> 00:46:50.969
Yeah. It's been great. Do you know your management

00:46:50.969 --> 00:46:54.409
page still states 32? Does it really? You better

00:46:54.409 --> 00:46:55.710
go tell him to update the damn thing. I think

00:46:55.710 --> 00:46:58.090
we got to go. Yeah, you got to update it. No,

00:46:58.329 --> 00:47:01.309
it's way more. Your radio career is 45. 44. 44.

00:47:01.530 --> 00:47:09.489
Okay. All right. Now, 50, I still remember the

00:47:09.489 --> 00:47:13.400
music force. Wow. Nigel Muspergan, Eric Lim and

00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:16.480
myself. Huh? Yes, yes, that's right. TMF, yeah.

00:47:16.619 --> 00:47:20.320
TMF. I mean, that was the team. The team that

00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:24.280
pioneered the events industry. Okay, I've got

00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:27.480
to give credit where credit is due. I think before

00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.980
us came a few people. Moby Dick. That was Moby

00:47:30.980 --> 00:47:34.260
Dick. Yeah. Larry Lai. Yeah. Bernard Solosa.

00:47:34.460 --> 00:47:36.780
Ah, Solosa Productions. Solosa Productions came

00:47:36.780 --> 00:47:40.199
before us. Yeah. And I've heard stories. Yes.

00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:43.659
I don't know how far they're true. But back when

00:47:43.659 --> 00:47:46.340
the British had army camps here, Uncle Brian

00:47:46.340 --> 00:47:50.659
used to do DJ stints in the army camps in the

00:47:50.659 --> 00:47:52.559
evenings. Is that right? He would get on a moped.

00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.840
A moped? Yep. with a box of records at the back,

00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:57.820
strapped down, and he would ride to the camps,

00:47:57.880 --> 00:47:59.599
and he would go there and play music. Wow, that

00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:01.420
was way before Richmond Productions. That was

00:48:01.420 --> 00:48:04.519
way before anybody. Okay, Uncle Brian, wow. Legend,

00:48:04.579 --> 00:48:06.900
legend is the man. But TMF, man, admittedly,

00:48:06.900 --> 00:48:09.320
TMF brought this to another level. Oh, yeah.

00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:13.500
I mean, you guys were doing stuff like, even

00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:16.639
for bars and clubs, right? Oh, yeah. Management,

00:48:16.780 --> 00:48:19.440
entertainment management, right? The only competition

00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:22.739
we had was Juliana's. Ah, yes. Julianas of London.

00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:25.559
You were also with them. For a while. Yeah. Very

00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:29.500
short while. So TMF, back then in the 80s and

00:48:29.500 --> 00:48:31.300
90s, how was it like, man? All the big names

00:48:31.300 --> 00:48:34.579
were in there. Everybody who was anybody was

00:48:34.579 --> 00:48:37.539
with the music folks. Yeah. Moe, Moe Alcove.

00:48:37.619 --> 00:48:41.699
Moe, Hamish Brown, Jaffa Alcove. Myself, Nigel,

00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:46.019
William Xavier. Who else was with us? Kennedy

00:48:46.019 --> 00:48:51.940
Ling, God rest his soul. Wow. Our technical team,

00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:54.159
some of whom are now working at Resorts World,

00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:58.559
believe it or not. Yeah, so we were the power

00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.679
there was at that one point. Yeah, man. I mean,

00:49:01.699 --> 00:49:07.320
even for satellite shows in Parkway Parade. Dang.

00:49:08.099 --> 00:49:13.980
That was good. Yeah. To me, it was eventful for

00:49:13.980 --> 00:49:19.880
me because you know this. Back then, my school,

00:49:20.349 --> 00:49:23.369
Yeah. St. Pat's, nothing to hide. Poor boy. What

00:49:23.369 --> 00:49:25.750
poor boy? I tell you, best bloody school to be

00:49:25.750 --> 00:49:27.809
in, man. Poor fellow, not St. Pat's. No, man.

00:49:28.130 --> 00:49:30.690
Best bloody school to be in. You got to remember,

00:49:30.809 --> 00:49:32.989
today, look at radio today, or just not long

00:49:32.989 --> 00:49:36.730
ago, even in recent times. 90 % of media personalities

00:49:36.730 --> 00:49:39.289
come from where? Yeah, the point is... I mean,

00:49:39.289 --> 00:49:43.469
come on. Come on. The entertainment industry

00:49:43.469 --> 00:49:47.329
in Singapore has been fueled by St. Patrick's

00:49:47.329 --> 00:49:49.710
and St. Joseph's institutions. Okay, okay. Let's

00:49:49.710 --> 00:49:53.250
be fair. It's a Lasallian thing. It belongs to

00:49:53.250 --> 00:49:54.710
the Lasallians. Yeah, it's the Lasallians. All

00:49:54.710 --> 00:49:56.889
right, let's boil it down to that. Let's be nice.

00:49:57.230 --> 00:50:01.550
Back then in school, when TMF was really coming

00:50:01.550 --> 00:50:04.780
up and really growing up, And of course, you

00:50:04.780 --> 00:50:06.219
know, you hear announcements, you read it in

00:50:06.219 --> 00:50:08.679
the papers as well, right? Parkway Parade is

00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:10.460
going to be a show going on downstairs in the

00:50:10.460 --> 00:50:12.960
basement, blah, blah, blah. I tell you, I've

00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:17.320
got wire cutters, you know. Take my wire cutters

00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:20.019
out of my school bag, huh? Next to my school,

00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:22.340
there's a canal, right? That's right, yeah. Bloody

00:50:22.340 --> 00:50:24.760
like commando, cut the wire. And go to Parkway

00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:27.280
Parade. And then you jabut, you know. Crawl along

00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:30.559
the canal, jump over the bus, jump over the fence,

00:50:30.739 --> 00:50:33.159
and then run across the road, get into the bus,

00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:36.360
go Parkway. See? Chabut school. See, when your

00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:38.739
children chabut school, don't scold them. They

00:50:38.739 --> 00:50:41.360
might end up like Chris Henson. My son, bloody

00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:43.760
hell, better don't do it, boy, I tell you. I'll

00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:48.019
have his guts for gutters, boy. So, I would chabut,

00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:50.659
no, I would go straight to Parkway, and I would

00:50:50.659 --> 00:50:54.099
be on the second floor banister. Yeah. In my

00:50:54.099 --> 00:50:56.039
school uniform. Looking down. You know why not?

00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:58.280
Because the Flying Dutchman was going to do a

00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:02.679
show. Were you there the day I passed out in

00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:06.579
Parkway? No, boss. I passed out in Parkway Parade

00:51:06.579 --> 00:51:08.539
on stage. I spent two days in hospital with a

00:51:08.539 --> 00:51:11.219
drip. How come? I was dehydrated. I had done

00:51:11.219 --> 00:51:14.699
so many shows at Parkway. It was in December.

00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:18.460
And I was just so dehydrated and so exhausted

00:51:18.460 --> 00:51:21.610
that I passed out on stage. Shit, I missed that

00:51:21.610 --> 00:51:24.789
one. I probably got caught trying to childhood

00:51:24.789 --> 00:51:29.250
school. Quite drama. A few years ago, I met someone.

00:51:29.349 --> 00:51:31.590
It's amazing. He brings you back to reality.

00:51:32.070 --> 00:51:35.050
Comes up to me and he goes, FD, you know, I've

00:51:35.050 --> 00:51:37.969
followed you through your career. I used to watch

00:51:37.969 --> 00:51:40.949
you at Parkway Parade. You know, you were my

00:51:40.949 --> 00:51:44.769
hero. I'd like you to meet my son. His son is

00:51:44.769 --> 00:51:50.150
16. You know, suddenly it all becomes reality,

00:51:50.309 --> 00:51:53.469
you know. I'd like you to meet my son. Hello,

00:51:53.489 --> 00:51:57.110
my son is 16. I know. Exactly. When I was about

00:51:57.110 --> 00:52:01.150
14, 15, I was sending the banisters watching

00:52:01.150 --> 00:52:06.329
you. Yeah. Right. Because why? I wanted to see

00:52:06.329 --> 00:52:10.010
how this whole thing works. Yeah. It was curiosity.

00:52:10.849 --> 00:52:15.150
Around that period, I think, around that period,

00:52:15.230 --> 00:52:18.710
were you still in Rediffusion? About 83, 84,

00:52:18.809 --> 00:52:22.469
right? Then I called you up. I was still in school.

00:52:22.630 --> 00:52:25.769
I was a young teen. And then you spent half an

00:52:25.769 --> 00:52:28.710
hour on the phone with me in between songs to

00:52:28.710 --> 00:52:32.389
tell me about the job because I was so interested.

00:52:32.670 --> 00:52:35.769
You were so into it. And then, you know, that

00:52:35.769 --> 00:52:40.550
period of time for someone like me was very critical

00:52:40.550 --> 00:52:45.119
because in 86, I did my first paid gig. There

00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:47.719
you go. When I was 16. There you go. Right? And

00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:50.400
that's why today I can boldly say I've been doing

00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.699
shows for four years. There you go. You know,

00:52:52.739 --> 00:52:56.519
and yeah. And frankly, man, I mean, that's the

00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:59.119
reason why. I mean, we are really good friends.

00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:01.420
We've known each other for so long. So long.

00:53:02.300 --> 00:53:04.599
And, you know, we know each other's families,

00:53:04.780 --> 00:53:07.340
right? Your kids were my flower girls. That's

00:53:07.340 --> 00:53:09.900
right. I emceed one of your daughter's weddings.

00:53:09.940 --> 00:53:13.630
That's true. I mean, it's been ages, right? But

00:53:13.630 --> 00:53:17.489
officially on my platform, this is my tribute

00:53:17.489 --> 00:53:19.869
to you, brother. Thank you. Seriously. Thank

00:53:19.869 --> 00:53:24.190
you. Because I would not have been able to take

00:53:24.190 --> 00:53:27.469
bold steps forward if not for what you've been

00:53:27.469 --> 00:53:31.750
doing. And I think, you know, just save a bit

00:53:31.750 --> 00:53:37.750
of a breath here for your mom, your sister, who

00:53:37.750 --> 00:53:41.530
didn't hold you back. They allowed you to do

00:53:41.530 --> 00:53:45.650
it. To an extent. To an extent. But they allowed

00:53:45.650 --> 00:53:49.630
you to get out there and do it. True. Yeah. Because

00:53:49.630 --> 00:53:51.610
I know the kind of son you are. If they put their

00:53:51.610 --> 00:53:53.369
foot down, you wouldn't have done it. You're

00:53:53.369 --> 00:53:54.530
right. That's the reason why I didn't get into

00:53:54.530 --> 00:53:56.670
radio. Yeah. You know, if they put their foot

00:53:56.670 --> 00:53:58.030
down, you wouldn't have done it. You know my

00:53:58.030 --> 00:54:00.230
right. They did put their foot down about that.

00:54:00.309 --> 00:54:01.610
For radio. But they didn't know it was radio.

00:54:01.769 --> 00:54:05.210
Yeah. You see, there are some gigs I did when

00:54:05.210 --> 00:54:07.769
I was in school. Didn't know. They did not know.

00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:11.039
Okay. I can say it now. Freaking 55. What the

00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:15.699
fuck. Yeah, exactly. But later on, especially

00:54:15.699 --> 00:54:19.119
after doing NS and after NS, I was moonlighting.

00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:22.340
After NS, no one got much to say, right? Yeah.

00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:30.300
However, when I actually was asked to go, that

00:54:30.300 --> 00:54:38.230
was in 1991 or early 92. Come on radio, Chris.

00:54:38.650 --> 00:54:43.050
Go on Perfect 10, 987. I said, fuck yeah. Yeah,

00:54:43.050 --> 00:54:45.909
of course. I mean, come on. I was what, 21, 22?

00:54:46.110 --> 00:54:50.070
Yeah. And dream job. Dream job. All my young

00:54:50.070 --> 00:54:54.409
life. That's what I wanted. Came back home. Told

00:54:54.409 --> 00:54:59.070
my mom. Mom, I've got myself a job. As, oh, doing

00:54:59.070 --> 00:55:04.230
what? As a DJ. Yeah. Came back home the following

00:55:04.230 --> 00:55:07.090
weekend. I was still in NS, right? So I booked

00:55:07.090 --> 00:55:09.590
out on the weekends. I was in a real active unit.

00:55:09.670 --> 00:55:13.309
So I really stay in camp. I came back home on

00:55:13.309 --> 00:55:15.849
one particular weekend and there was my uncle

00:55:15.849 --> 00:55:20.369
and things got really kind of violent. Really?

00:55:20.550 --> 00:55:25.829
Yeah, yeah. And because, see, my dad died just

00:55:25.829 --> 00:55:30.409
about, actually the year before, two years back,

00:55:30.489 --> 00:55:32.480
a year and a half back. It was quite recent.

00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:36.079
So I'm the only guy. I'm the only man in the

00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:42.440
house. And it was seemed as if I felt, it seemed

00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:46.039
to them, the elders, that I could do whatever

00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:49.639
I want since my dad's no longer around. It was

00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:51.860
a very bad assumption. Yeah, they didn't see

00:55:51.860 --> 00:55:54.940
the passion. And it got really violent. I didn't

00:55:54.940 --> 00:55:57.900
fight back. Because I'm not the sort to do it.

00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:03.500
Especially with... My eldest. So I didn't pursue.

00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:05.179
I went somewhere else. I'm not going to talk

00:56:05.179 --> 00:56:08.780
about that part of my life. But you did damn

00:56:08.780 --> 00:56:11.840
well where you went. Yeah, but you know something?

00:56:12.659 --> 00:56:18.360
Jerry. Yeah. I mentioned this not long ago. Jerry

00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:21.639
is on my show on my very first season. Dr. Geraldine

00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:23.920
Tan from The Therapy Room. Okay? To give you

00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:26.039
some context. She's awesome. Yeah, she is. She

00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:30.590
is. Amazing person. Incredible person. And we

00:56:30.590 --> 00:56:33.969
were discussing about happiness. And I said,

00:56:33.989 --> 00:56:36.949
so Doc, what's the definition of happiness? I

00:56:36.949 --> 00:56:39.809
want to put it in a spot, right? And she put

00:56:39.809 --> 00:56:42.909
me in a bloody spot to today. I just wrote about

00:56:42.909 --> 00:56:46.170
this. I just wrote this in a post on my timeline.

00:56:47.570 --> 00:56:52.289
She says, there's no such thing. I mean, can

00:56:52.289 --> 00:56:55.550
you define happiness? What is it? It doesn't

00:56:55.550 --> 00:57:00.400
exist. It's about... do you feel fulfilled? Have

00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:03.599
you, when you look back, if a sense of fulfillment,

00:57:03.900 --> 00:57:06.300
when you have that sense of fulfillment, like,

00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:09.019
okay, you know, I've done that. You know, I feel

00:57:09.019 --> 00:57:12.179
great about it. I want to do more of it. And

00:57:12.179 --> 00:57:15.440
that's what I suppose should be what happiness

00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:18.679
means, you know, but it doesn't exist. Yeah.

00:57:19.099 --> 00:57:21.380
You can't say you're not happy though, because

00:57:21.380 --> 00:57:25.940
you didn't do radio. Yeah. I'm not happy because

00:57:25.940 --> 00:57:28.909
I didn't do radio. And I'd say to you again,

00:57:29.130 --> 00:57:33.690
Chris Henson conversations, man. No, I know that,

00:57:33.710 --> 00:57:37.610
bro. That you. It's an itch. It's an itch. You

00:57:37.610 --> 00:57:40.070
know you got to scratch. True, but you had the

00:57:40.070 --> 00:57:43.110
guts and the gumption to come out with this.

00:57:43.710 --> 00:57:49.170
Fight tooth and nail. Make it a success. How

00:57:49.170 --> 00:57:53.030
can you not have happiness knowing as a human

00:57:53.030 --> 00:57:56.030
being you achieved that? Well, true. It's just

00:57:56.030 --> 00:57:59.260
that. it's not something that always you see

00:57:59.260 --> 00:58:01.659
when you have a dream since you were five six

00:58:01.659 --> 00:58:04.300
years old right i mean and it has been that long

00:58:04.300 --> 00:58:08.420
um and on every day or especially on saturday

00:58:08.420 --> 00:58:11.239
mornings right and when you're a kid and you

00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:14.760
listen to in doses uh radio one now it's good

00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:18.579
right um and And you listen, and you listen to

00:58:18.579 --> 00:58:20.480
all these people. Listen to Reedy Fusion, and

00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:22.840
you listen to Casey Kasem. You listen to American

00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:26.440
Top 40 back then. Wow, awesome, awesome. And

00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:31.460
all you wanted was that. It's all you want in

00:58:31.460 --> 00:58:33.539
your life. And it's all I've ever wanted in my

00:58:33.539 --> 00:58:38.059
life. You say Glenn's very dedicated to his craft.

00:58:38.260 --> 00:58:40.320
I would tell you this much, man. I can understand

00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:43.820
that. Yeah, because you are. Yeah, and I am.

00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:47.800
And this is what I was born to do. So this is

00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:48.940
where I'm going to tell this little story. I'm

00:58:48.940 --> 00:58:51.639
not outing anybody just because of what I'm about

00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:58.699
to say. In recent times, I was asked, approached,

00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:04.360
I guess, to try radio part -time. I will not

00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:06.599
mention the station. I will not mention the...

00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:10.340
I will not mention it. There's only two anyway,

00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:12.179
right? Yours and the other one, right? Okay,

00:59:12.260 --> 00:59:16.940
so... And I attended the training. I was very

00:59:16.940 --> 00:59:19.860
fairly told that, Chris, you will not be paid

00:59:19.860 --> 00:59:22.679
for training. So that's cool. I mean, I don't

00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:24.340
care. No one's paid for training. Yeah, I want

00:59:24.340 --> 00:59:27.260
to learn. So it's cool with me. Well, Chris,

00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:31.760
and also, we don't pay a lot. And I'm not going

00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:33.900
to mention it here, but when I heard it, I was

00:59:33.900 --> 00:59:37.360
like, what? But it's still cool. That's what

00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:40.179
part -timers get paid for. But it's still cool.

00:59:40.219 --> 00:59:43.610
Because why? Because I want to do this. It doesn't

00:59:43.610 --> 00:59:48.769
matter to me. And I want to get really good at

00:59:48.769 --> 00:59:51.789
it. And I've never done it before. So I really

00:59:51.789 --> 00:59:55.289
want to do radio. After that, I spent two days

00:59:55.289 --> 00:59:57.250
in the studio. Now, let me tell you about that

00:59:57.250 --> 01:00:01.769
experience, bruh. When I walked in, I don't think

01:00:01.769 --> 01:00:03.909
I can mention his name, can I? The guy who trained

01:00:03.909 --> 01:00:07.460
me. He's on your station now. Yeah, let's just

01:00:07.460 --> 01:00:09.800
say he's on us. He's on your station now. Nice

01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:13.739
guy. And I love the way he does his things. I

01:00:13.739 --> 01:00:16.980
love the way he conducts his shows. And I think

01:00:16.980 --> 01:00:19.429
that's really... This is what I believe. And

01:00:19.429 --> 01:00:21.769
I believe that's music station, man. Yeah. Right?

01:00:21.929 --> 01:00:24.369
Discography is great. You know, the back cell,

01:00:24.429 --> 01:00:27.230
the front cell. I learned all that. Not as if

01:00:27.230 --> 01:00:28.889
I don't know that. I do know that shit, right?

01:00:29.210 --> 01:00:32.230
So, it's really just refining stuff and learning

01:00:32.230 --> 01:00:34.469
the panel. Because I've never seen that before.

01:00:34.590 --> 01:00:36.110
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not openly available outside.

01:00:36.289 --> 01:00:39.250
No, it's not. Exactly. So, it was an eye -opener

01:00:39.250 --> 01:00:42.489
for me. It went up a little bit. Yeah. And when

01:00:42.489 --> 01:00:45.210
I walked into that spot where you used to work.

01:00:46.230 --> 01:00:49.070
Same studio, by the way. No, no, no. This is

01:00:49.070 --> 01:00:50.889
not Caldecott. Oh, you moved into the new one.

01:00:50.989 --> 01:00:53.309
Yes. Did I say Caldecott? Yeah, you moved into

01:00:53.309 --> 01:00:56.230
that. I moved into the new big space. Spaceship.

01:00:56.329 --> 01:01:00.789
Yeah, the spaceship. And when I went in there,

01:01:00.829 --> 01:01:09.349
man, I looked around me and I had to turn around

01:01:09.349 --> 01:01:11.809
because I had to do this. You had tears in your

01:01:11.809 --> 01:01:16.329
eyes. You know why? Because for some funny freaking

01:01:16.329 --> 01:01:21.809
reason, I felt that I've been here. Don't ask

01:01:21.809 --> 01:01:24.269
me what it, I don't understand it myself. Like

01:01:24.269 --> 01:01:31.269
I've spent years here. Like this is home. Yeah.

01:01:32.530 --> 01:01:38.889
And I told my trainer that. And it was like a

01:01:38.889 --> 01:01:41.610
dream come true. Yeah. You know, and the next

01:01:41.610 --> 01:01:45.679
step was to wait. for a call, I've really gone

01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:49.300
that far. Yeah. I signed the radio code. Did

01:01:49.300 --> 01:01:54.920
all that. Yeah. Mate, I think that was November

01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:56.679
last year. You're still waiting for the call?

01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:02.139
You know what you are? What do you think that

01:02:02.139 --> 01:02:03.960
is? You know what you are? And I'm being ghosted,

01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:05.360
you know? Do you know what you are? They're ghosting

01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:07.059
me. You know what you are? What? You're a dumb

01:02:07.059 --> 01:02:11.440
blonde in Hollywood. Wait, what the fuck does

01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:13.239
that mean? What do you mean dumb blonde Hollywood?

01:02:13.860 --> 01:02:19.320
Radio is going through a very tough time. I don't

01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:22.780
know that you're going to find a lot of new people

01:02:22.780 --> 01:02:26.960
on radio in the next couple of years. We're going

01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:33.179
to have to rely on tried and tested. Yeah. Fuck.

01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:37.179
I mean. It's business. Don't ghost. It's business.

01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:40.159
It's cool to just say, sorry, man. I guess, you

01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:41.820
know, you got to wait indefinitely. I'm still

01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:43.920
cool with that. Some people don't know how to

01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:47.579
say that. Don't freaking ghost people. Don't

01:02:47.579 --> 01:02:49.420
give me that. Don't call me. I'll call you bullshit.

01:02:49.659 --> 01:02:51.320
This is not Hollywood. Some people just don't

01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:53.360
know how to do that. That's all. That's all it

01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:56.820
is. That's all it is. But. I was that close,

01:02:56.840 --> 01:03:00.420
man, bro. That close, man. And. Have you ever

01:03:00.420 --> 01:03:04.099
thought that. Not meant to be. Yeah, in the bigger

01:03:04.099 --> 01:03:06.139
scheme of things. I knew that was coming. Because

01:03:06.139 --> 01:03:08.639
I'm sitting here and all I can see is Chris Henson

01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:11.760
conversations. And it is dawning on me. Do you

01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:14.599
remember a long time ago when I said I listened

01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:16.260
to your first show, I said you were born to do

01:03:16.260 --> 01:03:17.980
this. Right. Remember I told you that? Yeah,

01:03:17.980 --> 01:03:21.739
I do. And where I'm looking now, all I see is

01:03:21.739 --> 01:03:27.619
Chris Henson conversations. My firm belief, having

01:03:27.619 --> 01:03:30.659
sat here now and done this. that's the reason

01:03:30.659 --> 01:03:36.219
you never got radio. Because, because if you

01:03:36.219 --> 01:03:39.139
had, you would have been torn between that and

01:03:39.139 --> 01:03:44.199
this. And for some reason, whatever it is out

01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:47.440
there doesn't want you torn from this. You think

01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:51.300
so? I think so. I really honestly think so. I've

01:03:51.300 --> 01:03:53.079
been struggling with this thing because I've

01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:55.000
been, you know, speaking to the wife and asking

01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:58.119
the wife like, hey, what do you think? What,

01:03:58.139 --> 01:04:00.699
you think they're scared of me or what? Why should

01:04:00.699 --> 01:04:03.659
they be scared of me? Because what? You know

01:04:03.659 --> 01:04:05.360
why, brother? Let me tell you this, man. This

01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:08.000
story, I'm going to tell you this shit. I can't

01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:09.639
believe we're really filming this. I don't care.

01:04:09.860 --> 01:04:11.900
I was told I would not mention names. Thank your

01:04:11.900 --> 01:04:13.539
producer for this. He's got a lot of editing

01:04:13.539 --> 01:04:18.219
to do later. So what's this shit you want to

01:04:18.219 --> 01:04:20.460
tell me? Okay, I'll tell you this shit. I was

01:04:20.460 --> 01:04:26.280
told, and I won't mention names, that... Some

01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:31.119
shows I don't get because of this show. I'm talking

01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:33.820
about live shows. Oh, yeah. I can believe that.

01:04:33.900 --> 01:04:38.679
Because people tend to be such numbnuts and dingbats

01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:45.539
that they would assume, generalize, that because

01:04:45.539 --> 01:04:50.619
I'm free with my linguistics on this show, that

01:04:50.619 --> 01:04:54.960
I will bring the same on live shows. I get the

01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:58.280
same thing. But you get the same thing. Yeah.

01:04:58.860 --> 01:05:00.579
But you don't do this on radio. You can't do

01:05:00.579 --> 01:05:03.059
this on radio anyway. No, I can't. But I do make

01:05:03.059 --> 01:05:05.320
fun of people on radio. So a lot of people don't

01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:06.739
want to hire me because they don't want me making

01:05:06.739 --> 01:05:10.400
fun of their people. Yeah. Stupid. And I'll say

01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:13.780
this to the people listening to this. We wear

01:05:13.780 --> 01:05:16.920
many hats. Correct. We take them off. We put

01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:18.699
them on. We're different people with each hat.

01:05:19.139 --> 01:05:21.719
And that's what you need to realize. And that,

01:05:21.739 --> 01:05:26.829
that is talent. That is tough. You and I have

01:05:26.829 --> 01:05:29.110
been at this game, man. I mean, you 50 years,

01:05:29.150 --> 01:05:32.010
me 40 years in terms of the MC world. I remember

01:05:32.010 --> 01:05:37.489
the days in the 90s. Oh, my gosh. When you were

01:05:37.489 --> 01:05:41.769
with Megaforce. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Megaforce,

01:05:41.829 --> 01:05:44.210
man. Everyone wanted a top -old Megaforce. And

01:05:44.210 --> 01:05:47.090
I was with Spectrum Promotions. That's right.

01:05:48.349 --> 01:05:53.349
Yeah. And I remember ever so often, the 90s was...

01:05:53.860 --> 01:05:57.000
That was my A day. That was my A day. It was

01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:00.179
yours. Because back then, you were not known

01:06:00.179 --> 01:06:02.500
on stage as a Flying Dutchman. No. You were known

01:06:02.500 --> 01:06:06.000
as Mark Van See. Yeah. So every time I walk in

01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:08.579
the Spectrum's office, I will hear, hey, we got

01:06:08.579 --> 01:06:11.860
this show. We are pushing your name. Yeah. And

01:06:11.860 --> 01:06:15.519
I really got to fight very hard for this. So

01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:17.440
Chris, can we negotiate your rates? I said, why?

01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:21.679
Because it's up against Mark Van See. Ah, crap.

01:06:22.980 --> 01:06:25.679
I said, do I have to really negotiate my race

01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:29.280
because we're against Mark Fancy? But you know,

01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:32.500
brother, back then, I'm proud to say, man, I

01:06:32.500 --> 01:06:35.360
think it's safe for us to talk about this, in

01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:41.619
that most of the big gigs, most gigs, I won't

01:06:41.619 --> 01:06:44.739
say, big and small, yeah, big and small, back

01:06:44.739 --> 01:06:47.559
then were dominated by you and I. Pretty much,

01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:52.699
pretty much. We go for a gig. So I remember there

01:06:52.699 --> 01:06:54.280
was once, I can't remember, but where was it?

01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:57.019
Pan Pac? Was it Pan Pac? I think it was Pan Pac.

01:06:57.019 --> 01:07:03.099
You in one room in. Yeah. That was only one of

01:07:03.099 --> 01:07:06.079
many occasions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. I

01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:10.539
mean, but it was quite, to me, it was, I didn't

01:07:10.539 --> 01:07:12.179
look at his competition, man. I would say the

01:07:12.179 --> 01:07:14.380
market's big enough for everyone, right? So for

01:07:14.380 --> 01:07:16.039
me, it's like, hey, all right, man. You know,

01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:19.329
it's like I'm buying gigs. against every day

01:07:19.329 --> 01:07:24.329
it was fun but it was you made the money i made

01:07:24.329 --> 01:07:26.710
the money so what the hell right but with all

01:07:26.710 --> 01:07:29.389
that behind us man in the mc academy we had for

01:07:29.389 --> 01:07:31.130
seven eight years i can't remember exactly how

01:07:31.130 --> 01:07:36.590
long if i were to ask you bro one skill that

01:07:36.590 --> 01:07:41.590
is absolutely needed as an mc in the past that's

01:07:41.590 --> 01:07:46.409
completely useless today what's that one skill

01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:49.059
Useless today. Useless today. Useless today.

01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:50.980
Yeah. Well, I really got to hear what you got

01:07:50.980 --> 01:07:54.480
to say. Wow. Yeah, man. One skill in the past

01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:58.639
that we had. Yeah. What? Yeah. What? An MC who

01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:02.980
knew how to DJ. Useless today. Useless today.

01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:07.739
Because how many MCs today can DJ? Not just that.

01:08:07.780 --> 01:08:10.079
Do you remember? I won't mention names. It's

01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:11.639
all professional courtesy. Don't mention names.

01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:14.699
There's one guy, if you remember, back in the

01:08:14.699 --> 01:08:19.479
90s, he used to DJ and MC behind the console.

01:08:19.659 --> 01:08:21.399
So did I. He never moved out of the console.

01:08:21.500 --> 01:08:23.460
Oh, no, I used to go on stage. This guy didn't,

01:08:23.460 --> 01:08:27.600
bro. He was playing games, spinning on a mic,

01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:30.840
and he was conducting the whole damn show, the

01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:34.500
whole program, like that. So. Yeah, fucking brilliant.

01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:38.680
Do that today, you're dead. You're dead. But

01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:42.720
I will say, particularly among the females, there

01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:45.079
are some really good up -and -coming females.

01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:50.960
Now? Like who? A lot of them. For one, a lot

01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:54.159
of the owls that we have on SPH, when you take

01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:55.739
them out of radio and you put them on stage,

01:08:55.920 --> 01:09:00.260
they're good. We've got to shout out for this

01:09:00.260 --> 01:09:03.819
person. Come on. I'm proud of her because...

01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:06.619
She worked really hard. And she was one of ours.

01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:09.979
Sylvia. Sylvia. Sylvia Tam, shout out to you.

01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:12.439
Good job, girl. She has done really well for

01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:14.260
herself. Yeah, and she's doing great. I think

01:09:14.260 --> 01:09:16.739
she's everywhere now. And she's on LinkedIn.

01:09:16.819 --> 01:09:19.359
She's very heavy on LinkedIn. And she's giving

01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:21.779
talks as well. I mean, it's freaking fantastic,

01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:25.140
man. It is brilliant. So we do have that. And

01:09:25.140 --> 01:09:26.840
I think a lot of people don't give them credit

01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:29.560
for what they do. Yeah, yeah. What's one new

01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:32.779
skill? New skill that today's MC just can't live

01:09:32.779 --> 01:09:36.710
without. How to be politically correct? Huh?

01:09:37.750 --> 01:09:40.989
I think a lot are. I think too many of them are

01:09:40.989 --> 01:09:43.869
politically correct, man. I think a new skill

01:09:43.869 --> 01:09:47.090
that we need to learn, and it's ongoing because

01:09:47.090 --> 01:09:50.270
I'm still learning, is how to walk that line

01:09:50.270 --> 01:09:55.560
between what is funny and what is... politically

01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:59.119
incorrect. It's that very thin line. And that's

01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:02.579
a skill you've got to learn. We didn't need it

01:10:02.579 --> 01:10:05.500
before. Because the audiences were different.

01:10:06.180 --> 01:10:08.880
But now you've got to learn to walk that line.

01:10:09.180 --> 01:10:11.859
And that only comes with experience. You're going

01:10:11.859 --> 01:10:14.340
to fall. You're going to fall. You're going to

01:10:14.340 --> 01:10:17.000
have to pick yourself up, learn, go again. Then

01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:20.579
what is the biggest mistake you see younger MCs

01:10:20.579 --> 01:10:25.130
make? They forget that Again, it's aspirational.

01:10:26.109 --> 01:10:31.829
You don't need, how do I put this? You don't

01:10:31.829 --> 01:10:36.310
need to be Singlish. Speak English. Singlish,

01:10:36.390 --> 01:10:40.170
this is me personally. Singlish is for comedy.

01:10:41.550 --> 01:10:43.970
But when you're doing, this is why I worry for

01:10:43.970 --> 01:10:48.000
so many MCs. They're so Singlish. I don't know

01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:50.520
whether they'll be able to evolve into the conference

01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:52.939
convention market. But what if they could code

01:10:52.939 --> 01:10:54.460
switch? Well, if they can code switch, great.

01:10:54.739 --> 01:10:56.659
But there are not many that can. Okay, let's

01:10:56.659 --> 01:11:00.720
get that right then. So the key factor here is

01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:04.729
the ability to code switch. Yeah, because I would

01:11:04.729 --> 01:11:06.329
tend to disagree with you a little bit because

01:11:06.329 --> 01:11:09.130
sometimes, you know, us guys, we have to be funny

01:11:09.130 --> 01:11:10.829
too. No, we've got to be funny. And we have to

01:11:10.829 --> 01:11:12.609
be relatable. Yeah, we have to be relatable.

01:11:12.770 --> 01:11:15.890
But you're not speaking Singlish for four hours.

01:11:16.090 --> 01:11:19.010
No, I mean, of course not. And I find a lot of

01:11:19.010 --> 01:11:21.789
people do that. I'm not going to mention names.

01:11:21.909 --> 01:11:25.109
There was one guy whose English was really good,

01:11:25.149 --> 01:11:29.520
but he would fall into Singlish. he would have

01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:32.319
me in stitches uh he used to host all the readers

01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:35.279
digest awards when they came to singapore he

01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:36.739
was i'm not going to mention names you know who

01:11:36.739 --> 01:11:40.659
you are uh but he's super funny super funny after

01:11:40.659 --> 01:11:44.180
we after we cut this show i want to find out

01:11:44.180 --> 01:11:47.140
who that guy is he's funny i don't come to work

01:11:47.140 --> 01:11:50.060
i come to play your great philosophy yes i do

01:11:50.060 --> 01:11:53.319
not go to work after 44 years what is one thing

01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:56.220
about this game that still genuinely surprises

01:11:56.220 --> 01:12:00.199
you Never knowing what my partners are going

01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:04.359
to say. Really? Yeah. Because, you know, yes,

01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:09.819
we prep what we're going to do. But as the story

01:12:09.819 --> 01:12:12.979
develops, as the conversation develops, neither

01:12:12.979 --> 01:12:14.979
of us really knows what the other is going to

01:12:14.979 --> 01:12:20.439
say. And that, to me, is the secret. Back in

01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:23.680
Joe's day, I could end a sentence for him. He

01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:25.859
could end a sentence for me. Same thing happened

01:12:25.859 --> 01:12:29.779
with Glenn. But today it's that surprise. I don't

01:12:29.779 --> 01:12:33.020
know what my partner is going to say. Okay. I

01:12:33.020 --> 01:12:34.539
absolutely don't. So you guys don't really do

01:12:34.539 --> 01:12:38.279
much prep together? No. The partner has their

01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:41.619
bits. I have my bits. It's all parts. Yeah. And

01:12:41.619 --> 01:12:43.779
we are expected to bounce off each other. Okay.

01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:47.500
You always say that. You said this to me many

01:12:47.500 --> 01:12:49.720
times too. But let's bring it on here on the

01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:52.560
show. You joked about wanting to die on shift.

01:12:52.779 --> 01:12:56.630
Yeah. Absolutely. You're 69 bloody years old.

01:12:56.729 --> 01:13:00.289
Yes. And how long do you want to continue doing

01:13:00.289 --> 01:13:03.630
this? Because you're talking about dying on shift.

01:13:04.569 --> 01:13:07.029
You're fucking morbid, dude. No, but think about

01:13:07.029 --> 01:13:10.470
it, man. Flying Dutchman dies on air. It's front

01:13:10.470 --> 01:13:13.449
page Street Crimes, bro. So that's what you want.

01:13:14.130 --> 01:13:16.510
Go out with a bang. What, a free obituary? Yeah,

01:13:16.510 --> 01:13:17.729
you know, if you're going to go out, you go out

01:13:17.729 --> 01:13:21.380
with a bang, dude. No. How long am I going to

01:13:21.380 --> 01:13:24.119
do this? I have been thinking about that a lot

01:13:24.119 --> 01:13:31.100
more lately. Do I want to retire? And here's

01:13:31.100 --> 01:13:32.359
something I've said on air, and I don't know

01:13:32.359 --> 01:13:34.140
whether you guys know this, but you'll know it

01:13:34.140 --> 01:13:41.239
now. I have a massive fear of retirement. Why?

01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:48.119
I live in HDB. Yeah. I see the uncles go to the

01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:50.710
coffee shop in the morning. Yeah. Drink their

01:13:50.710 --> 01:13:52.909
coffee and have their two soft boiled eggs with

01:13:52.909 --> 01:13:56.590
toast and talk to six fellas. Right. Then they

01:13:56.590 --> 01:13:59.029
go home. Yep. In the evening, they go back to

01:13:59.029 --> 01:14:01.510
the same coffee shop. Yeah. And they drink their

01:14:01.510 --> 01:14:03.529
stuff. Fuck, sounds like me. With the same six

01:14:03.529 --> 01:14:07.010
fellas. I do that. I cannot live a life like

01:14:07.010 --> 01:14:09.789
that. Okay, but I do that. Because I have spent

01:14:09.789 --> 01:14:14.649
so much time on my career. Yeah. I don't have

01:14:14.649 --> 01:14:19.949
hobbies. Right. I have very few friends. I have

01:14:19.949 --> 01:14:22.189
a lot of listeners who know me. Okay. I have

01:14:22.189 --> 01:14:26.409
very few friends. Okay. So what the hell am I

01:14:26.409 --> 01:14:29.529
going to do with my retirement? What am I going

01:14:29.529 --> 01:14:31.949
to do? So you're saying you just don't want to

01:14:31.949 --> 01:14:36.529
be bored? No, I worry about losing my faculties.

01:14:36.729 --> 01:14:39.930
Okay, so keeping you sane. Yeah. Keeping freaking

01:14:39.930 --> 01:14:43.010
dementia away. I don't think retirement will

01:14:43.010 --> 01:14:46.050
keep me sane. I have to find something before

01:14:46.050 --> 01:14:49.220
that. That time comes. So do you think radio

01:14:49.220 --> 01:14:52.800
helps you out that way? Absolutely. Because your

01:14:52.800 --> 01:14:55.220
brain's got to move. It's got to move every single

01:14:55.220 --> 01:14:58.359
day. For four hours in the morning, I go home,

01:14:58.420 --> 01:15:00.720
I rest, I have meetings, whatever. In the evenings,

01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:03.520
I'm doing prep, I'm thinking again. My mind is

01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:06.220
working. You know, brother, you see, that's the

01:15:06.220 --> 01:15:08.760
reason why we're such old friends, man. The reason

01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:11.100
why I got this set up here is because I fear

01:15:11.100 --> 01:15:12.939
the same shit. Same stuff, right? I got to think.

01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:16.880
Yeah. What do we do if we retire? You're great.

01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:20.720
You got your dog. You have your rabbits. I get

01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:23.180
a rabbit. Sometimes it wants to play with me.

01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:24.760
Sometimes it doesn't want to play with me. That's

01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:28.600
a rabbit. That's a rabbit. And I love the thing

01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:34.760
too much to make stew. So what can I do? Gamey,

01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:38.520
man. Rabbit stew. Gamey. Nobody should be eating

01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:43.449
rabbit. No, no, no. Don't even go there. I don't

01:15:43.449 --> 01:15:45.090
want to know. I don't think I have. I don't want

01:15:45.090 --> 01:15:47.590
to know. I don't think I have. Now you're a mentor

01:15:47.590 --> 01:15:51.329
to the next generation of DJs. Yeah. Right? That's

01:15:51.329 --> 01:15:52.609
what's happening, right? That's what's been happening.

01:15:52.810 --> 01:15:54.590
Yeah, yes. I don't know whether I'm a mentor

01:15:54.590 --> 01:15:56.789
or not, but some of them do look up to me. But

01:15:56.789 --> 01:15:59.470
do you officially take them on and teach them

01:15:59.470 --> 01:16:01.810
and stuff like that? No, I've never been given

01:16:01.810 --> 01:16:04.149
that opportunity. Sometimes they come up to me

01:16:04.149 --> 01:16:07.949
and they ask me questions. And the one thing

01:16:07.949 --> 01:16:14.529
I tell them is, You're paid to give 100%. You

01:16:14.529 --> 01:16:17.689
give 100%. That sounds like Uncle Brian. Yep.

01:16:17.729 --> 01:16:21.390
You're paid to give 100%. You give 100%. The

01:16:21.390 --> 01:16:29.050
show is yours. Own it. Own it. Don't come to

01:16:29.050 --> 01:16:35.590
work. Come to play and own that game. Okay. You

01:16:35.590 --> 01:16:37.789
got that same advice from Uncle Brian, didn't

01:16:37.789 --> 01:16:41.270
you? Because it's so reminiscent of what he said

01:16:41.270 --> 01:16:43.909
before. I remember him saying that. Brian, myself,

01:16:44.390 --> 01:16:50.609
Larry Lai, we all grew up that way. We all grew

01:16:50.609 --> 01:16:53.970
up that way. Reliability, my friend. Yes, absolutely.

01:16:54.350 --> 01:16:58.869
Yeah. Reliability. Don't be a star. Yeah. Reggie

01:16:58.869 --> 01:17:00.750
Leo on the show, right? He's a guitarist, right?

01:17:00.810 --> 01:17:03.949
Yeah. He's got his own band, right? He was lamenting

01:17:03.949 --> 01:17:06.159
about. He didn't mention names, of course, and

01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:07.960
I still don't know who that person is. He says

01:17:07.960 --> 01:17:13.159
there's this singer. The show starts at 6, and

01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:19.500
she turns up every day at 5 .55. And then you

01:17:19.500 --> 01:17:21.840
don't sound check. You don't do anything. So

01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:24.800
this is across the board, man. I think where

01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:28.000
entertainment is concerned, if you are a professional

01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:32.710
in our field, you've got to be reliable. I know

01:17:32.710 --> 01:17:36.710
young DJs now who are on at 4 o 'clock in the

01:17:36.710 --> 01:17:40.470
afternoon. They're in the studio at 1 .30. Wow.

01:17:41.930 --> 01:17:45.569
Every day. That's cool, man. Prepping. That's

01:17:45.569 --> 01:17:49.729
cool, man. That's cool. That is cool. I used

01:17:49.729 --> 01:17:53.729
to say to you before, video killed the radio

01:17:53.729 --> 01:17:57.869
star, but it did not. You said nothing will kill

01:17:57.869 --> 01:18:00.149
the radio star. Nothing can kill the radio star.

01:18:00.250 --> 01:18:03.930
AI? Nope. Why? Because we've heard AI radio.

01:18:04.430 --> 01:18:08.090
It's boring as hell. At this moment. Yeah. But

01:18:08.090 --> 01:18:11.630
you know that it can evolve. Okay. It can evolve.

01:18:12.109 --> 01:18:18.409
But how far down the road are we from a point

01:18:18.409 --> 01:18:25.930
where AI can carry on an intelligent conversation?

01:18:25.949 --> 01:18:28.859
Brother, I tell you, man. Let me tell you how

01:18:28.859 --> 01:18:31.119
fucking scary this is. I don't know if you've

01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:35.279
heard. I don't know. If you haven't, maybe it's

01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:37.000
good for you to find out. It can be a good topic

01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:41.300
for your show, man. On Spotify, there is an album

01:18:41.300 --> 01:18:45.180
belonging to four or five guys. I don't know.

01:18:45.260 --> 01:18:48.920
I can't remember, but it's a band. These four

01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:52.100
or five guys, they got, of course, pictures on

01:18:52.100 --> 01:18:56.470
the sleeve, right? They got songs on there. And

01:18:56.470 --> 01:18:59.470
the songs are so well written. Oh, yeah. Everything's

01:18:59.470 --> 01:19:02.890
perfection. Yeah. Orchestration's all done. The

01:19:02.890 --> 01:19:04.489
images of these guys, they even have their own

01:19:04.489 --> 01:19:08.250
MTV. Bro, it's all fucking AI, bro. Absolutely.

01:19:08.390 --> 01:19:11.289
And there have been some musos, musos who've

01:19:11.289 --> 01:19:14.710
been around a long time, who watched this, listened

01:19:14.710 --> 01:19:21.279
to it, and said, no, fuck, it's so good. Granted,

01:19:21.300 --> 01:19:23.420
but that's someone singing, dude. Yeah, I know.

01:19:23.479 --> 01:19:26.579
But when it comes to AI and my own personal experience,

01:19:26.779 --> 01:19:30.359
yeah, I have no... Look at this show. I can't...

01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:33.220
I'm alone in terms of... I'm not saying Kai is

01:19:33.220 --> 01:19:39.159
great, but I've got to prep thumbnails. All the

01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:41.579
thumbnail designs are mine. I've done it myself.

01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:45.079
I pride myself. I don't even have to think. The

01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:47.279
design comes out on its own. It's like, oh, man.

01:19:47.380 --> 01:19:52.529
I love it. Good. But in terms of, in terms of,

01:19:52.550 --> 01:19:58.829
lack of a better term, talk sets, in terms of

01:19:58.829 --> 01:20:02.069
my talking points, in terms of research, deep,

01:20:02.170 --> 01:20:05.670
deep research, right? I got to make sure my guests

01:20:05.670 --> 01:20:10.869
have been deep researched. I actually pay for

01:20:10.869 --> 01:20:15.069
a subscription to my AI. Yeah. We all do. But

01:20:15.069 --> 01:20:18.250
bro, the deep research is ridiculous, man. Fool.

01:20:18.729 --> 01:20:22.310
The information I get is out of this world. It's

01:20:22.310 --> 01:20:26.970
nuts. But what I'm saying is why AI is not going

01:20:26.970 --> 01:20:30.930
to replace the DJ anytime soon. It can replace

01:20:30.930 --> 01:20:34.069
the DJ in certain time belts. Yeah. It can replace

01:20:34.069 --> 01:20:36.869
the DJ during an afternoon. On a weekend, maybe

01:20:36.869 --> 01:20:40.470
Sunday. Maybe. Late at night if you want your

01:20:40.470 --> 01:20:44.390
midnight to 6 a .m. Yeah. But when it comes to,

01:20:44.510 --> 01:20:47.510
and this is because of people. Maybe not the

01:20:47.510 --> 01:20:51.149
young because to the young, AI is cool. So I

01:20:51.149 --> 01:20:56.250
want AI. But to any discerning person, I want

01:20:56.250 --> 01:21:01.850
a human. I want someone with feeling who understands

01:21:01.850 --> 01:21:06.329
how I feel. That is for your demographics. For

01:21:06.329 --> 01:21:09.750
the 1FM demographic. Correct. But for the younger

01:21:09.750 --> 01:21:11.949
demographics, the younger lot, let's say the

01:21:11.949 --> 01:21:14.770
listeners of KISS92. Only a segment of them.

01:21:14.890 --> 01:21:17.829
Yeah, you see, as time goes by, you're going

01:21:17.829 --> 01:21:19.710
to have more and more and more of these guys.

01:21:20.310 --> 01:21:22.510
Because, you know, we get older, the world gets

01:21:22.510 --> 01:21:25.630
younger, right? Well, actually, that's not quite

01:21:25.630 --> 01:21:30.189
true. The world... Most of the world is aging.

01:21:30.510 --> 01:21:34.619
Yeah, but you're going to have people... See,

01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:37.399
the marketplaces, man, commercialism is such,

01:21:37.500 --> 01:21:40.239
right? What would they focus on? They would want

01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:42.060
to always focus their business revenue generation

01:21:42.060 --> 01:21:45.060
on the youth. It's always the case, anywhere.

01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:47.699
You listen to radio. Do you ever want to meet

01:21:47.699 --> 01:21:50.199
the DJs? Yeah. Yeah, so you're not going to be

01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:52.039
able to do that with AI. Well, yeah, but the

01:21:52.039 --> 01:21:53.979
younger lot might not see it that way as the

01:21:53.979 --> 01:21:55.520
years progress. But that younger lot's going

01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:58.039
to get older and they're going to want that.

01:21:58.500 --> 01:22:00.659
human touch. You think so? You reach a point

01:22:00.659 --> 01:22:02.720
in your life where you need a human touch. But

01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:04.640
the new generation, I don't know whether they're

01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:06.220
going to be, you know, where social psychology

01:22:06.220 --> 01:22:08.159
is concerned, are they going to be like us as

01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:09.520
they get older? You know, they all start getting

01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:11.560
mellow. They want to have human touch. They would

01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:13.979
need to have this social circle still around

01:22:13.979 --> 01:22:19.180
them. When I was 12 and 15 and 16, use a computer?

01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:21.140
What the hell is that? I'm never touching that

01:22:21.140 --> 01:22:24.170
stuff. Now live without it. Correct. That's what

01:22:24.170 --> 01:22:27.729
I'm saying. But we have learned that that's only

01:22:27.729 --> 01:22:30.270
a part of our lives. There's a whole other part

01:22:30.270 --> 01:22:34.189
of our life that needs interaction. Sure. Physical

01:22:34.189 --> 01:22:38.670
interaction, which AI cannot give you. You, me,

01:22:38.729 --> 01:22:41.789
both. Yes, I agree. You, me, both. People our

01:22:41.789 --> 01:22:43.649
generation, your generation, my generation, the

01:22:43.649 --> 01:22:46.729
generation after mine. But the young ones today,

01:22:46.829 --> 01:22:49.060
younger than my son. So you're talking about

01:22:49.060 --> 01:22:50.880
eight, nine, ten years old. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:53.220
yeah. You know, as they get older, right, the

01:22:53.220 --> 01:22:56.699
next two, three generations ahead, they might

01:22:56.699 --> 01:23:01.859
just not want to have what we want to have. Then

01:23:01.859 --> 01:23:05.020
I say their life will be missing something. Definitely.

01:23:05.140 --> 01:23:07.119
It will be missing something. But it can go that

01:23:07.119 --> 01:23:11.039
way, can't it? It can. Exactly. I'm not condoning

01:23:11.039 --> 01:23:13.800
it, man. I've always believed AI should always

01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:16.960
remain a tool. AI needs to be controlled by man.

01:23:17.220 --> 01:23:21.340
Yeah. And unfortunately, people are taking it,

01:23:21.340 --> 01:23:23.680
some people, certain parts are taking it too

01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:27.060
far. Look at the VO marketplace, man. How's it

01:23:27.060 --> 01:23:29.199
been for you? Because for me, it's been like

01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:33.500
dead. Yeah, I don't do very much. Because two

01:23:33.500 --> 01:23:36.819
years ago, we listened to AI online, right? You

01:23:36.819 --> 01:23:39.539
can tell. That's fucking AI doing voiceovers,

01:23:39.539 --> 01:23:41.000
right? Now you can't. Today, you can't tell.

01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:45.380
It has gotten good in two years. And this year,

01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:49.649
I've only had one. Oh, one lousy VO job. Oh,

01:23:49.649 --> 01:23:52.270
well, that's all I had. That's tough. In the

01:23:52.270 --> 01:23:54.210
last couple of years, no issues. You know what

01:23:54.210 --> 01:23:56.850
I'm saying? It's very decent. You know, very

01:23:56.850 --> 01:23:58.470
decent. A couple of times in a year, it's a lot.

01:23:58.689 --> 01:24:01.689
Yeah. A number of times in a year. Now, it's

01:24:01.689 --> 01:24:05.699
one. This year, one. It's ridiculous. Yeah. So

01:24:05.699 --> 01:24:08.159
it's getting really, really scary. But again,

01:24:08.300 --> 01:24:11.159
video didn't kill the radio star. AI ain't going

01:24:11.159 --> 01:24:14.020
to kill the radio star. You're only saying that

01:24:14.020 --> 01:24:16.180
because you're on radio, okay? Not in the next

01:24:16.180 --> 01:24:17.939
few generations. Come on. Not in the next few

01:24:17.939 --> 01:24:20.720
generations. Ain't going to happen. Ain't going

01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:27.079
to happen. Okay. Last question, my friend. Given

01:24:27.079 --> 01:24:31.960
our longstanding friendship, fast forward to

01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:35.739
a hypothetical scenario. You're not going to

01:24:35.739 --> 01:24:43.260
like this. If we were, hypothetically, partner

01:24:43.260 --> 01:24:48.220
a radio show today, what would our, you and me,

01:24:48.380 --> 01:24:52.300
on -air dynamic be like? How do you think our

01:24:52.300 --> 01:24:55.859
show would rate? Could we have the muttons for

01:24:55.859 --> 01:25:00.529
breakfast? No, let me rephrase that. Could we

01:25:00.529 --> 01:25:03.350
have mutton for breakfast? Yeah, otherwise you're

01:25:03.350 --> 01:25:08.869
going to slime, aren't you? Yeah. Number one,

01:25:08.890 --> 01:25:10.930
if you and I were on a radio show together, no

01:25:10.930 --> 01:25:14.170
matter what time belt we were on, we are a court

01:25:14.170 --> 01:25:18.810
case waiting to happen. That's the first thing.

01:25:20.869 --> 01:25:23.930
No, I won't be so bad. No, the second thing is,

01:25:24.029 --> 01:25:29.859
I personally feel. Yeah, yeah. In Singapore,

01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:39.460
people go with what they know. Are the muttons

01:25:39.460 --> 01:25:41.380
good on their show? They're great. Yeah, yeah.

01:25:41.500 --> 01:25:43.300
For their target audience, they're great. Yeah,

01:25:43.300 --> 01:25:45.819
yeah. Dude, they're not young, you know. They're

01:25:45.819 --> 01:25:48.779
not. They're not. But they're really good. There's

01:25:48.779 --> 01:25:50.659
a whole segment of Singapore that likes that

01:25:50.659 --> 01:25:54.420
sort of almost slapsticky radio. They do like

01:25:54.420 --> 01:25:57.500
it. Perhaps it's not something that I'm totally

01:25:57.500 --> 01:26:00.590
into. But sometimes I listen to it and I have

01:26:00.590 --> 01:26:05.250
a damn good giggle. You then have the segment

01:26:05.250 --> 01:26:07.189
of the audience that's very comfortable with

01:26:07.189 --> 01:26:12.229
Glenn, Angel, and Tim, who are psychology and

01:26:12.229 --> 01:26:15.970
business, and they have topics that stimulate

01:26:15.970 --> 01:26:19.350
the mind. Then you have a segment of the audience

01:26:19.350 --> 01:26:22.930
that enjoys the... So what's the best advice

01:26:22.930 --> 01:26:26.739
that your parents ever gave you? which is what

01:26:26.739 --> 01:26:29.439
we would do. So that some guy says, oh, my mother

01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:31.699
told me this. No, your mother didn't give you

01:26:31.699 --> 01:26:36.720
very good advice. That kind of thing. So for

01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:39.859
you and me to come into the Singapore market

01:26:39.859 --> 01:26:45.159
now and try and do a radio show, that's bloody

01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:50.840
hard. Why? It's very hard. Why? Because there's

01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:56.279
only one station that can handle us. And you're

01:26:56.279 --> 01:26:57.979
not going to mention that station now? There's

01:26:57.979 --> 01:27:00.420
only one station that can handle us. Okay. And

01:27:00.420 --> 01:27:08.159
that station would mean we'd have to tone down.

01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:14.640
Okay. Yeah. What do you mean by tone down? How

01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:16.800
hard are we going to be anyway? So I couldn't,

01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:20.579
for example, on that station say, well, it's

01:27:20.579 --> 01:27:22.819
going to be a hot and wet day. It's just the

01:27:22.819 --> 01:27:26.399
way I like my women. I couldn't say that. Okay.

01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:28.859
And that's the only station that you think we

01:27:28.859 --> 01:27:32.539
can be on? Yeah. Because that station accepts

01:27:32.539 --> 01:27:35.279
risque stuff but not as risque as we would. What

01:27:35.279 --> 01:27:39.300
is it? It's our age. Oh, come on. It's our age.

01:27:39.800 --> 01:27:44.859
I think, I think, I think we would actually give

01:27:44.859 --> 01:27:51.390
quite a lot of shows a run for their money. Thank

01:27:51.390 --> 01:27:54.189
you for finishing that sentence for me because

01:27:54.189 --> 01:27:55.770
I was wondering whether I should say that or

01:27:55.770 --> 01:27:58.270
not. A run for their money, mate. But remember

01:27:58.270 --> 01:27:59.989
that giving a show a run for its money doesn't

01:27:59.989 --> 01:28:03.710
mean you overtake it. Would that mean one and

01:28:03.710 --> 01:28:06.329
the same ratings? No, no. You're pushing them.

01:28:06.430 --> 01:28:09.569
You're not necessarily overtaking them. But we'll

01:28:09.569 --> 01:28:11.029
give them a good fright. We'll give them a good

01:28:11.029 --> 01:28:13.430
fright. A good fright. We'll give them a good

01:28:13.430 --> 01:28:15.149
fright. Yeah, we will give them a good fright.

01:28:15.170 --> 01:28:17.409
I think so. What do you guys think? You know,

01:28:17.430 --> 01:28:19.350
let me know your comments. I really would love

01:28:19.350 --> 01:28:20.609
to find out what you guys think. It'd be quite

01:28:20.609 --> 01:28:22.869
interesting. Do you think that FD and I should

01:28:22.869 --> 01:28:26.329
have our own radio show? I mean, it's not going

01:28:26.329 --> 01:28:28.930
to happen, but just for shits and giggles, just

01:28:28.930 --> 01:28:32.430
put it in the comments. Never say never. Hey,

01:28:32.569 --> 01:28:36.979
bro. If the day it ever happens, man. I will

01:28:36.979 --> 01:28:39.539
be jumping up and down. I think the day it happens

01:28:39.539 --> 01:28:41.840
is the day insurance companies begin to insurance,

01:28:42.060 --> 01:28:46.220
insure radio shows. Because the fines will be

01:28:46.220 --> 01:28:50.239
ridiculous. No, la. You know, at the end of the

01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:54.500
show, I just want to say this. I was told by

01:28:54.500 --> 01:28:58.359
Mr. Ong, Glenn Ong, you know, I'm going to make

01:28:58.359 --> 01:29:01.399
it quite public now because there's nothing to

01:29:01.399 --> 01:29:05.289
hide, la. Yeah, okay. He told me one day. at

01:29:05.289 --> 01:29:10.649
a dinner that was with your family. Yeah, yeah.

01:29:12.130 --> 01:29:16.890
And he said, bro, he meant well. I know his intentions

01:29:16.890 --> 01:29:20.449
are good. I want to tell you something once and

01:29:20.449 --> 01:29:23.409
for all. I said, what? Can you please remove

01:29:23.409 --> 01:29:28.189
the specter from your shoulder? Get it off. I

01:29:28.189 --> 01:29:31.689
said, what specter? About being on radio. You

01:29:31.689 --> 01:29:37.149
would not have lasted. Two months. And he did

01:29:37.149 --> 01:29:38.850
say this, and also because you're not sheep.

01:29:40.590 --> 01:29:44.529
Right? So I know he meant well, and I love you

01:29:44.529 --> 01:29:50.369
for that, Glenn. But I will say this, man. I

01:29:50.369 --> 01:29:54.069
think, yes, you said earlier, we all can wear,

01:29:54.189 --> 01:29:57.189
we all wear different hats. Yeah, yeah. And if

01:29:57.189 --> 01:30:01.210
it calls for it, man, to be compliant, I will

01:30:01.210 --> 01:30:05.689
be compliant. We ain't toned down. We're toning

01:30:05.689 --> 01:30:09.050
down. I think you and I will still be able to

01:30:09.050 --> 01:30:13.189
up the ante a little bit regardless. Let me see

01:30:13.189 --> 01:30:16.630
how we can try and put this together. Come on.

01:30:17.229 --> 01:30:21.250
Don't say that to make me happy. I'm not saying

01:30:21.250 --> 01:30:24.369
free to air radio, but let's see how we can make

01:30:24.369 --> 01:30:26.449
this happen. You mean there's other things besides

01:30:26.449 --> 01:30:30.510
free to air radio? That's a thought. Brother?

01:30:31.320 --> 01:30:33.279
I got to tell you, I love you, man. I love you

01:30:33.279 --> 01:30:37.659
too. And my tribute to you, bro. For all the

01:30:37.659 --> 01:30:39.659
years you've given the radio, for all the years

01:30:39.659 --> 01:30:41.680
and all the stuff, the years and stuff you used

01:30:41.680 --> 01:30:45.239
to do on stage, still doing on stage. And for

01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:48.000
inspiring someone like me. And I'm pretty sure

01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:51.060
I'm not the only one. Through the years, man.

01:30:51.199 --> 01:30:54.140
I mean, someone's got to say this. And if it

01:30:54.140 --> 01:30:57.500
has to be me, then it will be me. And it is right

01:30:57.500 --> 01:31:00.159
now. Thank you, bro. You're most welcome. Really,

01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:02.399
man. I just want to say one thing before we go.

01:31:03.420 --> 01:31:06.640
The Flying Dutchman is the Flying Dutchman. The

01:31:06.640 --> 01:31:10.800
Flying Dutchman is nobody without his listeners.

01:31:11.539 --> 01:31:15.579
So if I'm popular, it's because of you. If I'm

01:31:15.579 --> 01:31:19.300
a brand, it's because of you. So if anybody has

01:31:19.300 --> 01:31:23.800
to thank anybody, I thank you for giving me this

01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:27.369
career. And there you have it, everyone. That's

01:31:27.369 --> 01:31:30.229
the Flying Dutchman, our guest for this week.

01:31:30.510 --> 01:31:33.590
And nice to have this conversation with him every

01:31:33.590 --> 01:31:38.930
now and then. All right. See you guys next week.

01:31:38.949 --> 01:31:42.750
Same time, same place. Until then, stay safe,

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