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Today, we have the immense privilege of sitting

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down with a true powerhouse of the Singapore

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music scene. For years, her voice has captivated

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audiences across languages, cultures and continents,

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earning her a reputation as a genuine musical

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icon. She started a career in the English music

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scene before making a bold and strategic leap

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to the canto scene in 1999. This led to a legendary

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five -year residency at the St. James Power Station's

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Dragonfly Club, where her then -boss, Dennis

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Foo, bestowed upon her the nickname the Zoe Tay

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of St. James Power Station. But she was more

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than just a performer. She was a creative force,

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writing, producing, and directing shows for the

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venue. Her influence extends far beyond the club

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stage. She has represented Singapore at national

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events. Even recording the original demo for

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Dick Lee's iconic National Day song, We Will

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Get There. Her voice has also travelled abroad,

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wowing crowds at the Coventry Youth Festival

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in the UK and her first ever Singapore Day in

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New York's Central Park. Her musical skill is

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a testament to her mastery of her craft. A vocal

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powerhouse with a full repertoire of techniques,

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she is fluent in multiple languages including

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Mandarin, Cantonese, English. Korean, and even

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Japanese. The technical quality of her audiophile

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albums is so high that they were recorded with

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absolutely no compression, a testament to her

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flawless vocal control. She has performed Whitney

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Houston covers such as I Wanna Dance to Somebody

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to great acclaim. Today, she continues to perform

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for private events and is set to pay tribute

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to Mandarin classics from the 1940s to the 1960s

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in her upcoming concert romance of the past.

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Number three heard the song and then was like

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somehow... Number three is you. I'm number three.

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Yeah, okay. So number three harmonized to Amazing

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Grace. And I think there was like, hey, number

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three can sing. Okay, singer dreams. So then

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I think my mom was like living her dreams through

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start the show. Ooh. And how do I look? No, most

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important thing is how do I look? You look good.

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You look good. You look great as usual. Because

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Hjalmar. Hiel must be like, how do I look? I've

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even got a mirror on my... Oh my gosh. You're

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kidding me. Yeah. No, it's so convenient, no?

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Because I'm the kind, right? I'll put on makeup

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and I'll totally forget about my makeup. And

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then at the end of the day, when I go back and

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remove... It's like after behaving like, wow,

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glamorously, right? I go back and then I look

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in the mirror and I realize that I've got smudges

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here. My lipstick got one hole because I was

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holding a mic and kissing it. And I was using

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this makeup that was like method or something

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like really red. It's like really bright, dark,

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very dark kind of red. So, which means that when

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there's a hole there, it's very, it's very obvious,

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super obvious. And I went there like, my God.

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And I was talking and flirting and the whole

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night. It's like, wow. Talking and flirting the

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whole night. Yeah. Yes. And as much, as much

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makeup. And I'm like, my God, kill me. What's

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her character? Batman's, not Batman, the Joker's

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girlfriend. What's her name? Harley Quinn. Yes,

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Harley Quinn. Yes, my God. Oh, wait. Her makeup

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is half half, my dear boy. I don't know. I don't

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know. Yeah. I should know because I'm like, what

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the hell? I should, because I'm a geek when it

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comes to this kind of thing. You're a geek when

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it comes to what? Like superheroes. So you actually

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enjoy those? You actually follow these things?

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DC or Marvel, which one? Both. As long as they're

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superheroes. Okay, then you're not a geek. My

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wish is to become a superhero, but that has never

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happened. But you are what? You're a superhero

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behind a microphone. Well, you know, the COVID

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times, right? It did make me think of that cartoon,

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The Incredibles. The Incredibles, yeah. Okay,

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so the Incredibles, right? The story is that

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they used to be superheroes and going around

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saving lives and whatever, right? And then, sekali,

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something happened and then they all had to go

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underground and live like normal people, right?

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So that's what happened to us during COVID time,

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right? Because we were like, oh, our glamorous

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and everything and we were performing and all

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that. And then suddenly, sekali. Like, oh, COVID

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come, all cannot go out and perform. Then the

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hair, all growing out. Then down here, black

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color. Down there, don't know what. Yellow, green,

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or the green fading, totally faded green. Which

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was my, I mean, for me, it was like my red hair

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faded to brown. Yeah, man. I saw your pictures

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with the red hair. My goodness. Well, of course,

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I was called McDonald's sister. Remy Ronald McDonald's

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sister. I think I'm Rhonda. Wait, I would never

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have thought of that until now that you've mentioned

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it. Yeah, I'm Rhonda. I'm actually a friend.

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Rhonda? No, I just thought, because you said

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Rhonda. Rhonda McDonald. I should be like Rhonda

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McDonald or something. Because, yeah, one of

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my friends, he was like, uh, McDonald's sister.

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I'm like, oh yeah, true. I should go and pose

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next to this guy. Kai, Kai, how's her audibility?

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Are we picking her up right? Picking up, yes.

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Okay, okay. And I'll check, check, yeah. Because

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she's leaning back so comfortably, so I just

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want to make sure she's being picked up. I'm

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like super lazy, no backbone. No, it's cool.

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I got no backbone. Everybody's relaxed in my

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studio. Everyone that comes on my show. As a

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matter of fact, if you don't realize, if you

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haven't realized, or maybe you probably don't

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realize, we've been recording all the while.

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Well, I... I kind of guessed that they probably

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were. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I mean, the testing levels,

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obviously, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one

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thing. But then, normally, they would, like,

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just start recording. Yeah, I mean, which competencies

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would have it that a studio should always be

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recording regardless because we need good stuff

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we don't know, right? I know, right? Exactly.

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We should do, like, we should pretend to retain

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and you go, like, oh, actually, we're recording,

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right? And then, suddenly, hi, it's back. Nice

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to meet you all. And then suddenly become like

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really. Yeah, but the good thing about this show

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is that you don't have to do shit like that.

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You know what I'm saying? But it's funny to do

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things like that. You know, like on purpose.

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Yeah, well, yeah. On purpose, like suddenly,

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oh, hi, I'm Sky. And then, oh, never mind. Hi,

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I'm Sky. And you heard her name, everybody. Welcome

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back to the Chris Hansen conversation. And we've

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been yakking away. And I think you've been observing

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us yakking away. What's important to know, ladies

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and gentlemen, is that in studio with me today

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in CCB TV on a Chris Hansen conversation is a

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siren. And she, my goodness gracious me, she

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scares the bejesus out of me because the first

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time I watched her sing and heard her sing, I

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tell you, I tell you, it was insane. And that's

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the reason why I just had, I just had to invite

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her to the studio. It wasn't that sad. Well,

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I thought I wanted to look more glamorous. And

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I have to pay her tribute because honest to goodness,

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my goodness, the voice, that voice is just to

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die for. And I have with me Sky Serena. Welcome

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to the studio. hi good morning everyone yeah

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no matter what time of the day it is it's good

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morning yeah and you and you're not well and

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then hence i got my my little maui head with

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uh with tissue sticking out of his nose just

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for you because our dear friend here is sick

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yeah uh and and she got the flu and you know

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i dodged a bullet because of that I dodged a

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bullet because the plan was I'm supposed to sing

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a duet. And thank goodness I dodged that bullet.

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You don't know how nervous I've been. I've been

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so nervous. But you prepared for it. I did. Despite

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that, I'm still nervous. I mean, now I'm not

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because I dodged a bullet. I don't have to sing.

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But frankly, man, first of all, I asked myself

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when I decided, I think I'll do a duet with Sky.

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When I was planning this production today, I

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was trying to think, I do a duet with Sky. Then

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after that, I said, you know, since I was, since

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Whitney Houston, since Whitney Houston became

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famous, my first debut album, right? And I heard

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that duet with Titty Pendergrass. And I went,

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oh, I want to sing that song. And I was in school.

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I had my first girlfriend. I was dating my very

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first girlfriend then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Memory?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Over the decades, man, since

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then, I've never found someone that I could sing

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that song with. So I said, I think I'll sing

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this to Sky. Because you're Whitney Houston.

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Whoa, killer. So anyway. And then I told you

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about it. And I got a backing track. And I sent

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you the lyrics and stuff. And then after I done

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that, bloody regretted it. Aw. Let me tell you,

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let me tell you, when Aaliyah was on my show,

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and I love her to bits. Me too. And I worked

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with her for several years as well. And, you

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know, when she was on the show, I did a duet

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with her. I sang a duet with her. Bloody hell,

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I was sweating under my cap, man, I can tell

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you. Yeah, man, because like... Yeah, and then

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today, this morning, before you told me, you

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know, Chris, I'm not so well. I was, oh God,

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what am I going to do? What am I going to do?

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What am I going to do? I know we could always

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jam a little bit. I'm scared. I don't want to.

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I didn't hear my flu voice. I'm not going to

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put any pressure on you as well. Am I sounding

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extra sexy today? You're already like singing

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every night. So I'm not going to put that pressure

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on you because you're not well. So there's no

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way I'm going to make you do that. That's not

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nice. That's not nice. And, you know, I want

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to ask the very first question, which is actually

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not on my screen, but I think I should. Something

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is prompting me to ask this question. Is it scary?

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No, it's not scary. If you were to describe yourself,

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not just as a singer, anything that comes to

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mind, okay? Dig deep, dig deep down to answer

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this question. Who is Sky Serena? Oh dear, who

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is? What's that thing? Extra introvert or is

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it the other way around? Intro extrovert. Okay,

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you mean introverted extrovert, extroverted introvert.

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Yeah, either, either, either, either. Well, I

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don't know. I'm kind of a confused person. I

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mean, yeah, I think so. Right. She should be

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my idol. Totally. Right. Because I mean, I'm

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confused because like, I don't know, like when

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I'm like quiet hermit, I'm really hermit and

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really quiet. Although, yeah, a lot of people

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be like, Oh my God, I don't have that. It's kind

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of true. Yeah, when I'm alone and I'm very quiet

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or I'm out with strangers and all that, I can

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be really quiet. Or I can be really supermarket

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auntie. So it depends on how I'm feeling. Circumstances.

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Yeah, circumstances, I suppose. Or how I'm feeling.

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Yeah, something like that. That sounds like an

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introverted extrovert. And guess what? I'm like

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that. Really? Yeah. And I tell people that they

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go like, shut up. There's no freaking way. But

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I am. They don't believe, right? When you're

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alone and you're in your, when we're alone, I

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suppose we'd like to have that alone time. A

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little quiet, right? And totally like, just don't

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want to talk. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I can completely

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relate. Especially in a public place, right?

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Like a bus or MRT, right? You just don't want

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to look at people. You just don't want to like.

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eye contact because you're just like I don't

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know maybe you should look out the window if

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you're on the bus and just look at things look

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at look at your surroundings rather than and

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keep your mind to yourself right well you're

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good you can still look out the window normally

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I'd be like okay I gotta close my eyes I don't

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know I'm not taking the bus in a long time I'm

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just recalling back my school years yeah well

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the thing about me is I have terrible motion

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sickness What? Terrible. But you drive. That's

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why I drive. Okay, okay. Because if other people

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drove me, right, I'll be like, oh, wait, oh,

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that bend, slow down. I'm going to puke. Yeah,

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you know, that kind of thing. Very irritating.

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So taking planes when I'm overseas, I'm like.

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you know i have to make sure that my stomach

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is not empty because strangely a lot of people

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right when their stomachs are empty they are

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it's better for them to travel if they have motion

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sickness. But for me, it's the other way around.

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Likewise. Two of us quite alike. It's summer,

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summer. I have to eat. Long lost siblings. Yeah,

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I have to eat, you know. My summer has to have

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something. I know what you mean. Weird, right?

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Actually, it's worse when you're at summer 70,

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then you get motion sickness. Yeah, I get really

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dizzy. Horrible. Oh my goodness gracious me.

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This is a female version, kind of. of me. Hi,

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I'm Chris Hansen. No, no, no. As I said to Reggie

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Dio, the last episode, there can only be one.

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Okay, fine. I'll be Krista. You'll be Krista.

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Well, at least I'm not coming close to being

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Rhonda McDonald. Thank you. Okay, so you are

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basically telling me that you are this, probably

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this introverted extrovert. And that's your answer

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to my question. Who is Sky? Or is there more?

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The thing about me, right, is that I'm like,

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okay, I'm like a kind of a hoarder kind of person

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also. Huh? Why are you telling me you're OCD?

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Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people will tell you I am.

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A lot of people will tell you I am. They'll complain.

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Water lah, got problem. Allergic to dogs, the

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one I discovered earlier on. Yeah, scratch my

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face off. And then after that, introverted, extroverted.

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And then motion sickness. And then now? Okay,

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well, the harder thing is like... I don't know.

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I hoard things like songs. Hoarder. I try to

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hoard songs because I just feel like, you know.

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This is a hoarding lah. My fridge has to have

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like a lot of things kind of thing. Oh, fridge.

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Okay, okay. Example. It must be full. Well, yeah,

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kind of. And then my tool drawer has to have

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this and that and that. And I was like, wow,

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I got this tool. I don't know. I got tool fetish

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lah maybe. What fetish? Tools. You know, like.

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hammers, screwdrivers, kind of things. Ooh, this

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is cool. Because I feel like I need to... When

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I want to do something, right, I want to make

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sure that I have the right tools to do it. And

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then... Yeah, I know. Okay, the OCD part, right?

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You don't know what's running through my head?

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Oh, my gosh. Oh, I got a toast fetish. Are we

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going to go there? Really? Screw driver. Oh,

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damn. Adoy. Okay, so your OCD, anything else?

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OCD, ADHD, I think. Oh, ADHD too, huh? It's clock,

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huh? Your clock is like, oh, yeah. Yeah, it's

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a test pattern. Wow, I love it. Okay, so. I'm

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like a crow, right? Suddenly, I see something

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shiny. I'm like, hey. I'm talking halfway. I'm

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like, hey. You're just easily distracted. Okay,

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ADHD confirmed. Yeah, ADHD confirmed. Let's talk

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about your foundation. Which brand is it? The

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other thing about me, I'm lame. I'm very lame.

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It's okay. You're probably close to your dad.

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Yeah. No wonder. Lame jokes, dad jokes, yeah.

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Oh, I love to watch those dad jokes on TikTok

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and all that. It's like really, it's so lame

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and so funny. It's so annoying. That's why my

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family says I'm lame. They say it's cool because

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I'm a dad. That's why. Exactly. Your two elder

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sisters, were they a big musical influence in

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you? There were some. I mean, growing up, right?

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When you're the youngest. You're the youngest?

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Of course. And the cute. Okay, that's annoying.

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So, let's see. I've got my sister and my second

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sister. So, well, sister used to take piano lessons.

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What happened to that though? I'll ask her. So,

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obviously, we got a piano at home, right? Yeah,

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okay. I think mom was like pinching and saving

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and trying to get like a piano. Like, let's get

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a not too expensive, like as, you know, as cheap

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as possible. A usable piano. Yeah, usable piano.

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Because at a time, you know, it's not easy to

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earn money. And then someone, we are like, we

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are like average, kind of normal, very normal

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family. So, we got a piano. Then my sister, she

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would be playing on it. And I think, I tried

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to take piano lessons or so, but I couldn't concentrate.

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ADHD. Couldn't concentrate. My head was like

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always going to somewhere like where I'm the

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heroine. Heroine? Heroine? Which one? You're

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talking about the... You're talking about the...

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Okay. I don't know. Heroine. I mean, heroine

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is a... But then again, I thought I heard people

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pronouncing... It's not heroine. It's heroine.

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Heroine, right? Yeah. It's the same... Oh, heroine

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is... Oh my gosh. See, my brain... Heroine is

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a... So it's the term heroine for a female hero.

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I'm having brain fog, by the way. And I'm getting

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so confused, right? Speaking between like proper

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English and Singlish. And then, you know, like,

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for example, I like to make lame jokes by mispronouncing

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words like, example, lingerie. I like to say

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lingerie. Yeah. chandelier like chandelier uh

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-huh yeah just i'm bored you're very confused

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you're right i'm very confused and i like to

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entertain self -entertain yeah which is cool

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i'm just sitting back enjoying being entertained

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so anyway back to piano right so i think i took

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lessons i think yeah i did a little bit i was

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i did pick some like theory thingy when i was

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in choir people's association children's choir

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have you ever heard of this no you mean there's

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such a thing there is okay there is also like

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later when you get to a certain age you need

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to move on to junior choir oh wow I mean it's

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a long time don't have already you know you mean

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it doesn't exist now no I've never heard of it

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before as well Yeah, right. It's not that famous

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in Singapore. So you enrolled yourself or your

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folks enrolled you in the PA choir? My mom. My

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mom did. Because I think that she... I think

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there was a story about a long time ago when

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she was younger. She liked singing a lot. So

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somebody actually offered to write her a song.

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Your mom sings, basically. And sings well. well

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she has she has a nice voice but I think she's

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never really like trained before she mostly sings

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in like falsetto kind of like let me see to imitate

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her right she'll go like wait my key too low

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testing okay let me try my falsetto okay my falsetto

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is terrible now sorry something like that so

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that's the way she sings right I like a lot of

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falsettos nice nice kind of rich thingy so rich

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voice tone thingy so I think that but the problem

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is I think she freaked out when she was offered

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To have a song original for her. Yeah. And then

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she freaked out. She backed out. And then she

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regretted, you know. After that, I think when

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she got married to my dad, right, she kind of,

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I don't know, I heard something about her singing

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at friends' wedding dinners and then my dad getting

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free beers for it. I don't know how true that

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is. Because my memory is a little bit like warped

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today, especially today, right? So, yeah, she

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kind of regretted it. So, when she had three

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of us and then she wanted like maybe, I don't

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know, I think she wanted like a musical family

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or something. Wow. Well, number one, learn piano.

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Number two, she bought a, I don't know, her or

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my dad bought a guitar. It's like some, I don't

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know, secondhand guitar or something. I remember

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the guitar looked quite sad. Like, yeah, I remember

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it quite sad, but it was like the first guitar,

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right? Okay. So it was from my sister, my number

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two sister, right? So I'm number three. So number

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three was discovered that she could sing at a

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very young age when I think my number one came

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home from a school and she was singing Amazing

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Grace. She said, hey, today I learned one song,

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Amazing Grace or something. And then somehow

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or other, number three heard. the song and then

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was like somehow number three is you i'm number

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three yeah okay yeah right so number three harmonized

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to um amazing amazing grace and i was like i

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think there was like number three can sing yeah

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okay singer dreams so that i think my mom was

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like living her dreams through me wow so did

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it happen did a family come together and do a

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singing thing together performed together nope

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never ever so it didn't it didn't materialize

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yeah because like I said I have no idea what

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number one did with her piano lessons she learned

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a little bit and then that's that's when I itchy

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hand also I play play a little bit but I cannot

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play just a little bit today can you play I can

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play Mary Had a Little Lamb with Two Hands. So

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there are no instruments that you play? No, I

00:23:23.460 --> 00:23:26.799
play guitar. Ah, okay. Yeah. And number two,

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I think number two never picked up guitar. Never.

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The guitar was there, so I picked it up instead.

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But, okay, I picked it up a long time ago, but

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half past six. Really half past six now. Very

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half past six. I can play chords, you know. Okay.

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I can sing and play, but my chords are very basic.

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I'm very honest. I'm very honest. But I always

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like to joke to like my musicians, whoever it

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is, like example is a guitar player. I'll say,

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hey, I play guitar better than you. Then they

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will start laughing because they know. Okay.

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Really? So the influence basically is not just

00:24:01.490 --> 00:24:05.289
your sisters then? Your mom seems to be quite

00:24:05.289 --> 00:24:08.529
a massive influence. Yeah, I think so. She was

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like taking a lot of time to send me to auditions.

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for competitions, I think. And then, well, every

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Saturday, I remember my, the family had to take

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turns to bring me down to People's Association.

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Where is it? Is it Kalang? Kalang. Kalang, yeah.

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Yeah, a small kid bring me there. I remember

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taking a bus every Saturday going there, sometimes

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crying, throwing a tantrum because... My tongue

00:24:38.539 --> 00:24:41.119
is twisted. Yeah, but, you know, like throwing

00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:44.059
a tantrum, because I didn't want to go. I was

00:24:44.059 --> 00:24:47.039
like... But why didn't you want to go? Would

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you say... Yes, I want to play much, keep my...

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Okay. But is it safe to say that at that stage

00:24:56.940 --> 00:25:01.559
in life, your discovery of music, did you discover

00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:05.289
your love for music at that time? I think the

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problem is me being like kind of ADHD. You're

00:25:12.089 --> 00:25:14.170
like confirming it, no? Yeah, I know. It's like,

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now I want to do this, I want to do this. Then,

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but suddenly I'll lose interest and then I will

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move to something else. And then it's like, that's

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why it's like, I probably was not in the mood

00:25:26.089 --> 00:25:28.269
to go to choir that day. I wanted to play. I

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wanted to go have fun somewhere. Whether it's

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you being a kid, but did you... Do you think

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that your love for music actually started from

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that very infancy of your life? I think it was

00:25:41.670 --> 00:25:44.869
there inside. But I never admitted to it. Because,

00:25:44.970 --> 00:25:47.710
well, there's also a rebellious streak in me.

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Because the more my mum wanted it, right? The

00:25:50.609 --> 00:25:54.089
more I was like, the one, the one. It's just

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like people. When you tell a pair of lovers,

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no, you cannot be together. The more they want

00:26:00.210 --> 00:26:02.920
to be together. I don't know whether that's the

00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:07.160
right analogy to use, but fine. I get it. Example.

00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.599
But yeah, so I think that, but I think I've always

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loved it deep down inside. It was only later

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on when I'm like, older and then more mature.

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Not that I'm mature now. I'm still very childish.

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I think it was probably later on that I kind

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of start. I started self -analyzing. I started

00:26:34.059 --> 00:26:37.740
analyzing myself. Sorry, my brain fog. Yeah.

00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:41.319
So then I started realizing, hey, actually, I

00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:43.779
do love music, you know. It's only when I'm very

00:26:43.779 --> 00:26:45.660
tired. How old were you then when you started

00:26:45.660 --> 00:26:47.980
to have that realization, self -realization?

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That was the word you were looking for. Damn,

00:26:51.299 --> 00:26:54.299
I actually don't know. Basically, I'm already

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out working and everything. Before that, I was

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just... Like working, you know, to... Okay, because...

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So wait. So your realization that you love music,

00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:08.079
you enjoy it, came very much later if you sort

00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:10.359
of already started work. Yeah, because I was

00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:12.920
rebelling against my mom all the time. Uh -huh.

00:27:13.019 --> 00:27:16.779
We're very rebellious kids. Very. So, yeah, you

00:27:16.779 --> 00:27:18.799
know... Rebel to the extent that you actually

00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:23.039
stymied music? No, I mean, I still liked it.

00:27:23.099 --> 00:27:25.440
I mean... I didn't hate it. I still liked it.

00:27:25.500 --> 00:27:27.859
But sometimes when my mom is forcing me to do

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it, then I'll start resisting. So when she's

00:27:30.940 --> 00:27:34.720
not forcing me, then I'm like, actually, I enjoy

00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:37.099
it. Then I'll go to the piano and start messing

00:27:37.099 --> 00:27:40.039
around. I think my sister was trying to compose

00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:43.200
something. And then I was like, yeah, I heard

00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:46.119
that. So I learned what she composed. And then

00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:50.380
I kind of twisted it to my own version of it.

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And then, I mean, so I actually did. i did like

00:27:54.099 --> 00:27:56.420
i mean i i liked it but i didn't know i love

00:27:56.420 --> 00:27:59.980
it until later on when you know i'm like why

00:27:59.980 --> 00:28:02.400
should i keep rebelling against something that

00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:07.759
you know uh i probably i think i love and then

00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:11.079
i start I started like analyzing. I'm like, yeah,

00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.259
actually I do love, I do enjoy it. I enjoy the

00:28:14.259 --> 00:28:18.339
way I feel my throat feels, my body feels when

00:28:18.339 --> 00:28:22.759
I'm singing and hitting like whichever note.

00:28:23.859 --> 00:28:27.940
I'm like, eh, shook. So what steps did you take

00:28:27.940 --> 00:28:36.990
after you realized that you love it? this one

00:28:36.990 --> 00:28:39.910
a hard question i know quite hard right because

00:28:39.910 --> 00:28:43.369
i mean i didn't really take any steps i guess

00:28:43.369 --> 00:28:46.069
because for me it's like i've always got this

00:28:46.069 --> 00:28:50.329
thing where i try to do as much as possible because

00:28:50.329 --> 00:28:53.210
i feel like life is short yeah life is so short

00:28:53.210 --> 00:28:57.390
that uh if i can sing this or i can sing that

00:28:57.390 --> 00:28:59.950
i try my best to do it like i said i'm a hoarder

00:28:59.950 --> 00:29:05.460
you know so um Like if there's a recording to

00:29:05.460 --> 00:29:07.819
be done, I'm like, okay, I'll just go for it.

00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:10.359
And then there's a performance. But at that stage

00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:13.140
of life, when you started to realize that, hey,

00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.980
I love this. What steps did you take? Did you

00:29:15.980 --> 00:29:19.619
get a mentor? Did you go under instruction? Did

00:29:19.619 --> 00:29:24.920
you take lessons? What did you do? Did you ever

00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:28.440
take lessons, by the way? Well, in choir, people's

00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:30.559
association. Okay, I wouldn't really call it

00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.420
a choir. I mean, even if it's choir, even though

00:29:34.420 --> 00:29:36.920
it's just a choir, right? I shouldn't say just

00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:39.220
a choir because choir is actually a lot of work,

00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:41.900
right? Like, quite a lot. But I mean, they do

00:29:41.900 --> 00:29:45.200
teach you how to diaphragm everything, how to

00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.539
push your voice out. Projection, diaphragm. Yeah,

00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.170
all that, right? But you had no formal training

00:29:52.170 --> 00:29:55.769
dedicated to you one -to -one, one -on -one to

00:29:55.769 --> 00:29:58.809
get you to be even better. Because your singing

00:29:58.809 --> 00:30:01.529
prowess is absolutely out of this fucking planet.

00:30:01.890 --> 00:30:05.089
It's really, yeah. We get to swear? Yeah, you

00:30:05.089 --> 00:30:07.529
do. Of course, on my show, fun that, yeah. Nice,

00:30:07.589 --> 00:30:11.309
okay. Yeah. I was just cursing and swearing like

00:30:11.309 --> 00:30:14.210
on Monday when I was doing a recording. No, it's

00:30:14.210 --> 00:30:17.650
fine here. Don't worry. I did have like a few

00:30:17.650 --> 00:30:20.650
teachers on and off, but they all didn't last

00:30:20.650 --> 00:30:23.069
long because like I said, I have a problem with

00:30:23.069 --> 00:30:25.490
like paying attention. It's a huge problem, you

00:30:25.490 --> 00:30:28.029
know, like because when I was a kid, a lot of

00:30:28.029 --> 00:30:31.750
times people talking to me, I listened for like

00:30:31.750 --> 00:30:34.990
the first one, two seconds. And then after that,

00:30:35.130 --> 00:30:37.690
my mind would drift off to somewhere. It's really

00:30:37.690 --> 00:30:39.529
a huge problem. I'll start stoning. I'll be like.

00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:42.079
I'm already imagining things. So you did get,

00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:44.140
you did get formal instruction. You did get formal

00:30:44.140 --> 00:30:46.500
lessons. I did, but it didn't stick in my head.

00:30:46.579 --> 00:30:49.740
That's the problem. So all this while, up to,

00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:53.559
up to date, I know you teach now. Yeah. So, okay.

00:30:53.660 --> 00:30:56.480
Okay. I think when you, when you said, like,

00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:59.720
what steps did I take, right? Maybe I, I think

00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.299
it's more about like, how, how much more I discovered

00:31:03.299 --> 00:31:06.819
of how to sing better and how to project better,

00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:12.160
how to, like use different places of my uh body

00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:14.500
your physiology your physiology yeah right to

00:31:14.500 --> 00:31:18.220
to sing a song and how how do you engage your

00:31:18.220 --> 00:31:21.160
your your own physiology to get to certain to

00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:23.920
sing in a certain way yeah i think yeah i started

00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:28.519
analyzing more also and um Working and singing

00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:31.400
every night actually does help because, for example,

00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:33.799
when I'm in this kind of state, right, I'm flu

00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.140
and sick and everything. This was, I think my

00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:40.400
voice kind of improved better when I started

00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:44.700
working in St. James, Dragonfly. That wasn't

00:31:44.700 --> 00:31:49.220
long ago, you know. That was 2006, 22nd of September.

00:31:50.180 --> 00:31:53.759
See, I remember the date. You mean it was 21

00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:57.680
years ago? Yeah, 2006, my Mets field. Why the

00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:00.259
hell do I think that was kind of recent? Because

00:32:00.259 --> 00:32:05.079
time flies, brother. Time flies and we all freaking

00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:09.519
go. Dennis, I remember the data. How many times

00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:13.200
have I repeated that? Anyway, so in the beginning

00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.980
when we started at Dragonfly, we had four singers.

00:32:17.259 --> 00:32:20.740
So it was me, William Scorpion. William Scorpion?

00:32:20.740 --> 00:32:24.009
William Scorpion, yes. Sorry, somebody kept saying

00:32:24.009 --> 00:32:27.069
Scorpio until I got confused. And then there

00:32:27.069 --> 00:32:29.190
was Celeste, and then there was Sylvester Sin.

00:32:29.309 --> 00:32:32.450
So there's only four of us. So every night, I

00:32:32.450 --> 00:32:36.890
think there was like six sets. Six sets. So first

00:32:36.890 --> 00:32:40.269
two sets, it's just me alone, right? Me alone

00:32:40.269 --> 00:32:44.029
with my band. So my band does sing. The guitarists

00:32:44.029 --> 00:32:48.950
and the bass players, they used to sing. These

00:32:48.950 --> 00:32:53.490
are all Chinese songs. Mandarin, Cantonese, English,

00:32:53.829 --> 00:32:56.170
sometimes Japanese, sometimes Korean. English

00:32:56.170 --> 00:32:59.009
in Dragonfly? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to sing

00:32:59.009 --> 00:33:01.730
a lot of Whitney's over there as well. I don't

00:33:01.730 --> 00:33:03.630
know. To me, I never walked into Dragonfly because

00:33:03.630 --> 00:33:09.990
to me, it was a Chinese joint. That's why I never

00:33:09.990 --> 00:33:12.849
met you. Exactly. I wasted it. I'm going to stop

00:33:12.849 --> 00:33:15.109
you there because I'm getting a little confused

00:33:15.109 --> 00:33:18.529
because you're making me confused. You started

00:33:18.529 --> 00:33:21.240
improving. When you were singing in Dragonfly.

00:33:21.339 --> 00:33:25.119
Yes. But you didn't start your professional career

00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:26.839
in Dragonfly, did you? No, I didn't. You started

00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:30.119
before that. Way before. Ah, let's go back to

00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:33.519
way before. Yeah, let's go back to way before.

00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:37.140
Oh, damn. Digging up the history. Before you,

00:33:37.220 --> 00:33:39.319
yeah, of course, I want to know history. Because

00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:42.759
you're phenomenal. I want to understand how...

00:33:44.299 --> 00:33:47.460
how people someone like you have reached this

00:33:47.460 --> 00:33:51.099
stage this marvelous stage this fabulous singing

00:33:51.099 --> 00:33:54.440
prowess of yours how did you get there i mean

00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:57.039
i mean i i told reggie the same thing i'm gonna

00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:01.519
say it one more time i am not a singer. I am

00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:03.480
an MC that sings. That's about the size of it.

00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.119
I heard you sing. You're fine. I will never call

00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.760
myself a singer. Compared to the likes of you,

00:34:08.900 --> 00:34:11.619
you know, and Aaliyah, you guys are fabulous.

00:34:11.820 --> 00:34:14.079
I mean, there's so many more, like even Stephen

00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.920
Francis. There's no way that I can say, oh, I'm

00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:20.599
a singer. I think I'll be disrespecting you guys.

00:34:21.579 --> 00:34:24.059
and the profession. No lah. You're a singer lah.

00:34:24.179 --> 00:34:25.880
You're confirmed a singer lah. Really, really,

00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:28.880
really. You're just, you're so humble. No, no,

00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:31.860
it's not. I really do believe that I'm not. I'm

00:34:31.860 --> 00:34:35.880
more of an MC, but I just happen to sing. You

00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.440
do have a very sexy MC voice. Oh, thank you.

00:34:38.900 --> 00:34:43.159
But anyway, I'm trying to understand how that

00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:47.199
happened. When you, before you became, before

00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:49.719
you went professional, did you work elsewhere?

00:34:51.460 --> 00:34:54.019
Actually, I started singing since I was in school.

00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:58.000
As in, I was doing D &D. I was moonlighting.

00:34:58.659 --> 00:35:00.619
Moonlighting, yeah. Can you call that moonlighting

00:35:00.619 --> 00:35:02.340
if I was schooling and not working? Actually,

00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:05.360
I mean, moonlighting is a generic term, but it

00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.500
was not a bad thing because it's not as if you're

00:35:07.500 --> 00:35:12.019
not allowed to work unless it's before 16. Yeah.

00:35:12.900 --> 00:35:16.179
Well, kind of. I can't remember how old I was.

00:35:16.739 --> 00:35:19.550
Which school is this? Let's not go there. Anderson

00:35:19.550 --> 00:35:22.889
Secondary School. Okay. Yeah. I'm actually going

00:35:22.889 --> 00:35:26.730
back for a school show next week. Wow. I'm like,

00:35:26.809 --> 00:35:32.210
hey, my school. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, I started

00:35:32.210 --> 00:35:34.710
doing dinner and dance, but very, very little

00:35:34.710 --> 00:35:37.449
during that time because I was still schooling.

00:35:37.670 --> 00:35:40.989
And obviously people didn't know who I was also.

00:35:41.289 --> 00:35:46.400
So anyway, you were younger than 16. yeah probably

00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:49.079
I think actually I can't remember holy crap so

00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:53.119
you became you went you actually easily it can

00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.519
be said you went professional before 16 years

00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:58.300
old yeah but well also but with the choir when

00:35:58.300 --> 00:36:00.119
that was in primary school that's not professional

00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.719
being paid you know what I'm saying you were

00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:04.780
paid for those D &D's right we were free for

00:36:04.780 --> 00:36:07.099
the choirs yeah choir free so don't count that

00:36:07.099 --> 00:36:08.920
but count I can't even remember whether I was

00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:11.139
paid or not can't be we were not how can you

00:36:11.139 --> 00:36:13.150
do a D &D and not be paid I don't know. I was

00:36:13.150 --> 00:36:15.690
a kid. Bloody hell. You know, I was a kid. But

00:36:15.690 --> 00:36:17.789
I can't remember. I'm terrible with numbers.

00:36:18.429 --> 00:36:20.309
I started at 16 in school. A lot of people will

00:36:20.309 --> 00:36:22.429
tell you, right? Yeah. But I mean, I was like

00:36:22.429 --> 00:36:24.469
performing here and there and then joining competitions

00:36:24.469 --> 00:36:28.050
and all that. Oh, I remember. What did I join?

00:36:28.150 --> 00:36:31.309
There was this... I tried to join Asia Bagus.

00:36:32.630 --> 00:36:34.309
Like Aaliyah. Aaliyah was in Asia Bagus. Oh,

00:36:34.329 --> 00:36:36.750
she was. Oh my gosh. And then, I don't know.

00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:41.679
I didn't get to, you know, I think I did like

00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:44.179
one moment in time or something. But at that

00:36:44.179 --> 00:36:46.559
time, I just didn't have the technique, you know,

00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:50.880
so I just wasn't good. And I was like, kind of,

00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.139
I guess the high parts were struggling. It's

00:36:53.139 --> 00:36:55.000
a struggle for me to sing the high parts at that

00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:56.500
time because I didn't know how to use my this

00:36:56.500 --> 00:37:00.159
and that and that, you know. And then... You

00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:02.000
struggled with high parts? Yeah, I was struggling

00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.179
because when you don't use... You see, a lot

00:37:04.179 --> 00:37:06.820
of... times right people think that when you're

00:37:06.820 --> 00:37:08.559
singing high part you need to like really belt

00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:11.119
it out but actually i discovered that actually

00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:12.739
you don't need to belt no the more you belt sometimes

00:37:12.739 --> 00:37:15.980
the more the harder it is to hit the high notes

00:37:15.980 --> 00:37:18.960
yeah so don't belt it yeah don't really belt

00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:22.179
it yeah i discovered like that easier i discovered

00:37:22.179 --> 00:37:25.840
this when i was a kid Yeah, I mean, why I brought

00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:27.619
up Dragonfly was because, and why I brought up

00:37:27.619 --> 00:37:29.400
there's only four singers in the beginning was

00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:32.400
because we didn't take any off in the beginning

00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:35.420
because we just started. So I was falling sick

00:37:35.420 --> 00:37:39.260
like crazy. That's when I had to start changing

00:37:39.260 --> 00:37:43.320
a technique of singing and realizing that actually

00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:47.030
I don't have to belt. to achieve the high notes.

00:37:47.230 --> 00:37:50.269
And I managed to, which is nowadays, because

00:37:50.269 --> 00:37:52.690
I'm sick, so I'm using the same technique. So

00:37:52.690 --> 00:37:55.750
how do you, what technique is this? Basically,

00:37:55.750 --> 00:37:57.329
you have to simplify it so that everyone can

00:37:57.329 --> 00:38:01.230
understand. Use your ribcage a lot. And then,

00:38:01.250 --> 00:38:06.070
well, using... how to simplify it? Diaphragmatic.

00:38:06.190 --> 00:38:07.969
Kind of like head voice. Head voice, yeah. I

00:38:07.969 --> 00:38:10.909
mean, it's head voice as well, but you just don't

00:38:10.909 --> 00:38:12.949
have to, because I mean, when you are like, not

00:38:12.949 --> 00:38:15.389
really talking loudly, right? You can actually

00:38:15.389 --> 00:38:18.219
hear. Yeah, you can. Yeah, yeah. I realize that

00:38:18.219 --> 00:38:21.199
too. So that is actually the key to it, you know?

00:38:21.300 --> 00:38:24.920
Yeah, even keep your articulators, your lips

00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:29.539
closer together. Oh, closer. Okay. Yeah, this

00:38:29.539 --> 00:38:32.039
is what I kind of realized. I think it works

00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:33.460
differently. I mean, it works differently for

00:38:33.460 --> 00:38:36.860
people also. You know, I mean, for me, it's like,

00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.679
it's kind of okay for me to pronounce like whatever

00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:45.050
way I don't, to. hit the high notes for when

00:38:45.050 --> 00:38:49.130
i'm in this state right yeah okay so i don't

00:38:49.130 --> 00:38:51.570
really push push much but i'm pushing over here

00:38:51.570 --> 00:38:54.849
here and then depending on which note it is uh

00:38:54.849 --> 00:38:58.010
some notes i don't even really need to push much

00:38:58.010 --> 00:39:01.610
at all because it's it's just there like like

00:39:01.610 --> 00:39:04.219
like i said when you don't really belt out, right?

00:39:04.420 --> 00:39:10.159
You can hit it. And when you do try to push it

00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.840
out really loudly, sometimes it's struggling.

00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:15.599
You see, this is what I've always been saying.

00:39:17.219 --> 00:39:21.219
It's mostly about physiology, because it's got

00:39:21.219 --> 00:39:24.039
to do with physiology, right? Your body is mostly

00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:27.900
about understanding how it works for you. And

00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:32.460
some people say, for example, if you lie down

00:39:32.460 --> 00:39:36.250
flat, on the ground, just lie flat, you can actually,

00:39:36.269 --> 00:39:39.349
you actually sound better. That's how I, it's

00:39:39.349 --> 00:39:41.329
muscle memory. That's how I do recordings at

00:39:41.329 --> 00:39:46.969
home. No shit, really? Yes, because, okay, so,

00:39:47.090 --> 00:39:50.969
okay, if I'm outside recording, I'm always sitting

00:39:50.969 --> 00:39:53.909
down. Yeah. Because if I stand up, a lot of people

00:39:53.909 --> 00:39:55.909
need to stand up. Yeah. I cannot stand up. I

00:39:55.909 --> 00:39:58.730
stand up, my energy drains off so quickly. Then

00:39:58.730 --> 00:40:02.909
I'll start singing flat. I'll be like, eh. Yeah,

00:40:02.989 --> 00:40:05.110
I'm very lazy also. You haven't noticed yet.

00:40:05.269 --> 00:40:07.130
See, I come here only I straight away slack.

00:40:07.429 --> 00:40:09.929
No, you're not slack. You're just a very relaxed

00:40:09.929 --> 00:40:13.730
person. That's all there is. Obviously, your

00:40:13.730 --> 00:40:20.289
name, Sky Serena, with Serena spelled as S -I

00:40:20.289 --> 00:40:27.030
-R -E -N -A, is probably a play on the word siren.

00:40:28.489 --> 00:40:33.829
Right? Yeah. And a siren is a mermaid singing

00:40:33.829 --> 00:40:37.090
in the ocean, allure boats and sailors. To crash

00:40:37.090 --> 00:40:41.969
and devour them. Yeah. But why did you pick?

00:40:42.050 --> 00:40:44.130
Is that the reason? What's the reason for you

00:40:44.130 --> 00:40:48.210
picking Serena and playing with it? Okay. So

00:40:48.210 --> 00:40:54.090
initially I had Sky. Well, way before when I

00:40:54.090 --> 00:40:56.690
started singing professionally, I was using another

00:40:56.690 --> 00:41:00.639
name, my middle name. I've got a middle name,

00:41:00.699 --> 00:41:05.219
but yeah, it's called Andrea. But I had trouble

00:41:05.219 --> 00:41:07.699
with that. People were pronouncing it Angela,

00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.840
Audrey, because Andrea can be pronounced as Andrea

00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:13.460
as well. Yeah, not really. Andrea is Andrea.

00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:17.260
Right. Well, it's pronounced as Andrea somewhere.

00:41:17.380 --> 00:41:20.500
No. Really? No, it's Andrea. It's not Andrea.

00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:22.380
I don't know. Some people are pronouncing Andrea.

00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.039
Those people ought to be shot because it's not

00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:28.460
true. Oops. Yeah, it's Andrea. There's no other

00:41:28.460 --> 00:41:30.619
way. There's no other way. There's no other way

00:41:30.619 --> 00:41:32.579
to say it. Yeah. So you were Sky and Andrea,

00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:34.519
didn't you? After I decided that, it was an awful.

00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.980
No, no, no. I don't use Sky with Andrea at all.

00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.119
Right, okay. Andrea is Andrea by itself. No,

00:41:40.139 --> 00:41:42.960
that time I didn't have Sky at all. I didn't

00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:44.949
have Sky. I would have Andrea, right? Right.

00:41:45.050 --> 00:41:46.610
And then people would pronounce it. So Sky was

00:41:46.610 --> 00:41:50.449
not a real name too. It is now. But anyways,

00:41:50.670 --> 00:41:54.789
so the story is, Andrea first, right? Okay, so,

00:41:54.969 --> 00:42:00.150
and this came about because my sister, number

00:42:00.150 --> 00:42:03.869
one, she does numerology and she calculates names

00:42:03.869 --> 00:42:05.469
and everything. Right, right. So she gave me

00:42:05.469 --> 00:42:08.480
Andrea. And then, but the thing is, that time,

00:42:08.500 --> 00:42:09.639
a lot of people didn't know how to pronounce,

00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:11.300
like I said, they even called me Laundrie, you

00:42:11.300 --> 00:42:13.460
know, because of the Andrea thingy, Andrea, Andrea.

00:42:14.179 --> 00:42:20.440
So, Laundrie, Audrey, Angela, and Andree. There's

00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:22.519
even Andree. I'm like, what? Who allows you to

00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.659
meet? So, one day, I was working at this place,

00:42:25.780 --> 00:42:28.400
this hotel that a lot of youngster will be like,

00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.559
huh? Never heard of this hotel before. Cockpit

00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:36.559
hotel. Wow, you were seen in Cockpit. Don't go

00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:41.840
there. Don't say it. No, no, no. I mean, Cockpit

00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:44.059
used to be across the road from the office I

00:42:44.059 --> 00:42:47.119
used to be in. Yeah. I mean, by the time when

00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:49.440
I was working there, it was like kind of a little

00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:53.239
bit like... Cockpit Hotel, which means you were

00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:56.730
what? Tornado? Huh? In tornado? Singing in tornado?

00:42:56.889 --> 00:42:58.369
No, no. In the hotel, hotel itself. The hotel,

00:42:58.409 --> 00:43:00.110
the hotel itself. Right, right, right. Was there

00:43:00.110 --> 00:43:01.949
tornado there? Tornado was downstairs, yeah.

00:43:01.969 --> 00:43:03.769
I was in Victoria Bar. Before Dennis took over.

00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:06.480
Really? A cockpit hotel? Really? Yeah, yeah.

00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:10.420
The bar and cockpit hotel. It was Victoria Bar.

00:43:10.739 --> 00:43:13.199
Oh, wait, wait. Salah Hotel. You're talking about

00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.019
Phoenix Hotel. Phoenix, that's Phoenix. Sorry,

00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:17.019
yeah, yeah. Phoenix and a cockpit, much different.

00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:21.059
I wonder how... Okay, yeah, anyway. I don't know

00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:23.860
how my brain moved. It's okay. Cockpit hotel,

00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:27.119
okay. So, at the time I was working with... Actually,

00:43:27.139 --> 00:43:28.860
I know the owner of the cockpit hotel. No way.

00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:31.829
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never seen him. But anyway,

00:43:31.909 --> 00:43:35.090
I was working with Evans Barnabas on guitar and

00:43:35.090 --> 00:43:39.789
Benson Goh on keys. And then Yem Osman on bass.

00:43:40.030 --> 00:43:42.690
So Yem, this guy that looks like Lionel Richie,

00:43:42.730 --> 00:43:47.369
sounds like Lionel Richie. And then one day he

00:43:47.369 --> 00:43:52.809
just came in and then this guy, he's very easygoing,

00:43:53.010 --> 00:43:55.130
joking, joking every time, right? So he's like,

00:43:55.230 --> 00:43:57.989
Sky, Sky. He started calling me Sky. I'm like,

00:43:58.070 --> 00:44:01.360
eh? see me leh why you calling me Sky just now

00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:06.199
ah I was watching don't know some thing I was

00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:08.119
like what I think it was a Barney the purple

00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:10.820
dinosaur right right Barney and he said got one

00:44:10.820 --> 00:44:13.480
character name Sky you know it look like you

00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:16.960
leh very ugly looking then I was like he was

00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:19.159
joking lah you know he's always been very very

00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:21.340
nice to me okay so but he likes to joke lah and

00:44:21.340 --> 00:44:23.800
I like to joke back so joking joking then then

00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:25.949
I was like I was like haha very funny Then after

00:44:25.949 --> 00:44:27.909
that, I thought about it. I was like, eh? Because

00:44:27.909 --> 00:44:30.690
he kept calling, eh, Sky, Sky. I was like, eh?

00:44:31.010 --> 00:44:33.050
Actually, yeah, this name might be easier for

00:44:33.050 --> 00:44:36.289
people to call. Right? So at that time, you were

00:44:36.289 --> 00:44:40.690
still Andrea? I was still Andrea. Right? So now,

00:44:40.829 --> 00:44:44.719
only close friends call me that. Very old, old

00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:46.960
close friends. Everybody else calls me Sky, right?

00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.579
So, then I started looking into name, you know,

00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:52.760
those name books and everything. I'm like, eh,

00:44:52.780 --> 00:44:54.800
there is a Sky, but I didn't want to be just

00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:58.679
SKY because I like to be different, different,

00:44:58.820 --> 00:45:03.380
you know, different. So, I saw that there's actually

00:45:03.380 --> 00:45:06.800
SKYE as in the Isle of Sky. Right. And it means

00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:09.139
water giver. See, your joke just now about me

00:45:09.139 --> 00:45:11.000
bringing the rain, right? Yeah. I was going to

00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:13.239
tell you like, eh. The rain? when Skye arrived.

00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.559
That's what Skye kind of means. It was so true.

00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:18.019
It was so fucking appropriate. I was waiting

00:45:18.019 --> 00:45:20.840
downstairs and the rain really came when Skye

00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:23.619
arrived. Skye brought the rain. She did. Okay,

00:45:24.099 --> 00:45:28.239
yeah. So... So you picked the name Skye, you

00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:30.579
added an E to it because you hiao then after

00:45:30.579 --> 00:45:32.199
that? Yeah, right. Okay, and then after that

00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:34.820
for years I was using Skye alone by itself. I

00:45:34.820 --> 00:45:37.920
was sky and dragonfly only for a few years. Then,

00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:40.719
I mean, internet started getting to become a

00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:43.699
thing. Everybody was like, hey, Googling. That

00:45:43.699 --> 00:45:45.340
was Yahoo or something like that, I remember.

00:45:46.260 --> 00:45:50.099
Then, probably Yahoo, yeah. Right. Then, but

00:45:50.099 --> 00:45:53.420
I tried to like, find myself, like sky, wow,

00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:55.920
got this sky, that sky, this sky, I don't know

00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.579
what, there's a lot of skies. Then I'm like,

00:45:58.139 --> 00:46:00.300
how are people going to find me? You know, like,

00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:02.519
because sometimes some people like to follow

00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:04.059
or something. Well, at that time, don't have

00:46:04.059 --> 00:46:06.280
the following thing yet. So then I went to my

00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:10.019
sister again and I asked her, like, okay, I think

00:46:10.019 --> 00:46:12.480
I need something behind Sky, but Andrea doesn't

00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.139
cut it. Yeah, to make sure that the search engines

00:46:15.139 --> 00:46:18.360
will be friendlier for you. Yeah. And also, but

00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:21.059
I also, I'm very OCD about like a perfectionist

00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:22.880
thing. I need to have like something like really

00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:26.679
nice. it's got to be the perfect name. So, and

00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:29.940
it's got to be numeric, numerologically correct

00:46:29.940 --> 00:46:34.059
as well. Numerologically correct? because, I

00:46:34.059 --> 00:46:35.840
mean, my whole family like that, we all grew

00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.840
up like, like, Buddhist, praying, and then, like,

00:46:39.980 --> 00:46:43.619
having all those customs where, like, you have

00:46:43.619 --> 00:46:45.880
to, in order to break some kind of spell, you

00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:48.659
need to smash a bowl behind your door. Check

00:46:48.659 --> 00:46:51.820
number, check number first. Okay. Yeah, and then

00:46:51.820 --> 00:46:53.869
my sisters and my mom, they are like, to buy

00:46:53.869 --> 00:46:56.829
4D, my mom actually mainly, they buy 4D, then

00:46:56.829 --> 00:46:58.969
they'll be like, you know, it's very typical

00:46:58.969 --> 00:47:02.170
Chinese family kind of thing. So then my sister

00:47:02.170 --> 00:47:04.510
did some calculations and then she gave me some

00:47:04.510 --> 00:47:06.849
names with exploring and everything. I'm like,

00:47:06.969 --> 00:47:10.190
hey, this name is interesting. I mean, I think

00:47:10.190 --> 00:47:11.909
it's pronounced, the actual pronunciation is

00:47:11.909 --> 00:47:14.690
Sirena or something like that. Actual pronunciation

00:47:14.690 --> 00:47:17.130
because it's not English. Okay, Sirena. Okay,

00:47:17.210 --> 00:47:19.750
that makes sense. Supposedly, right. And it does

00:47:19.750 --> 00:47:24.000
mean, I mean, it actually did come from the sirens

00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:26.900
la you know and I was like eh I sing ah ma ok

00:47:26.900 --> 00:47:30.630
ma siren siren ah wew And I'm kind of noisy sometimes.

00:47:30.949 --> 00:47:33.250
You know, I make a lot of noise. So I'm like,

00:47:33.309 --> 00:47:36.750
that kind of works as well. And Sky, but I won't

00:47:36.750 --> 00:47:39.269
pronounce it Sirena because this is Singapore.

00:47:39.670 --> 00:47:41.329
See, there's a hazard of being in Singapore.

00:47:41.550 --> 00:47:45.489
Yeah. Sirena, Sirena, or whatever. I know. Fucking

00:47:45.489 --> 00:47:47.289
tell me about it, man. So I'm like, okay, never

00:47:47.289 --> 00:47:49.730
mind. Let's just go with Sirena. But it sounds

00:47:49.730 --> 00:47:52.489
nice. It sounds like serene as well. But you

00:47:52.489 --> 00:47:55.610
officially actually decided that it should be

00:47:55.610 --> 00:47:58.500
enunciated as Sirena, right? Yeah, I did. So,

00:47:58.539 --> 00:48:02.059
I mean... Because I introduced you as that. I

00:48:02.059 --> 00:48:04.420
want to make sure I got it right. Theo, you are

00:48:04.420 --> 00:48:07.000
absolutely correct. But I mean, if somebody from

00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.920
another country where this name is from calls

00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.179
me Sky Sirena, I wouldn't call Peo Zola. I remember

00:48:13.179 --> 00:48:18.539
I did a Razor Pop interview years ago for my

00:48:18.539 --> 00:48:21.179
concert, my solo concert at St. James, I remember

00:48:21.179 --> 00:48:27.079
the lady that was doing... Is she a journalist

00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.800
or something? Wait, what do you call her? Well,

00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.460
anyway, she was doing the... Journalist, right?

00:48:32.579 --> 00:48:36.340
Journalist, right. Yeah. So, I think she did

00:48:36.340 --> 00:48:38.900
call me Sky Sirena. And I didn't correct her

00:48:38.900 --> 00:48:41.800
because it's... I mean, it's the actual pronunciation

00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:44.420
anyway. So, I'm like, can I leave it? Am I? It's

00:48:44.420 --> 00:48:45.760
okay, you're right. You're absolutely right.

00:48:46.590 --> 00:48:48.750
So, yeah. But basically, I mean, you just need

00:48:48.750 --> 00:48:50.750
a name that's friendly. People are easy to remember.

00:48:51.050 --> 00:48:53.889
People are easy to pronounce. Okay. You made

00:48:53.889 --> 00:48:55.789
a strategic move, right? From the English scene

00:48:55.789 --> 00:49:01.369
to the Canton scene. Why? Like I said, I'm a

00:49:01.369 --> 00:49:06.210
hoarder. I like not only English songs. I like

00:49:06.210 --> 00:49:08.369
Mandarin songs as well. I like Cantonese songs.

00:49:08.789 --> 00:49:10.789
Don't ask me to do Hokkien song. Hokkien cannot

00:49:10.789 --> 00:49:14.769
make it fail. I don't dare to sing Hokkien song.

00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:17.599
But you do sing Hawkins song. No, I don't. I

00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:20.320
don't at all. You don't at all. Yeah. Because

00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:23.300
I freak out. It sounds too much like Teochew.

00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:26.119
I speak Teochew since I was a kid. Right. And

00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:29.239
I'm Cantonese. You know, but my mother tongue.

00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:32.719
So I spoke Teochew since I was a kid. And it

00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:35.539
sounds too much, too close to Hawkins. So if

00:49:35.539 --> 00:49:37.199
I were to sing a Hawkins song, it might have

00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:41.320
Teochew X. And I'll be like, perfectionist. I'll

00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:42.960
be like, yeah. I don't think anyone can tell

00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:44.860
the difference between Teochew and Hawkins. so

00:49:44.860 --> 00:49:49.039
close together, the language. There's difference.

00:49:49.539 --> 00:49:52.699
Is there? Yeah, there is. I'm Eurasian, I've

00:49:52.699 --> 00:49:55.679
got a fucking excuse. Yeah, not to know. Yeah,

00:49:55.739 --> 00:49:58.820
I mean, there's the tone thing, you know, and

00:49:58.820 --> 00:50:03.739
some words are similar, some are not. Right,

00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:08.400
okay. And so, the move wasn't a strategic move,

00:50:08.500 --> 00:50:11.579
then it was just because you wanted to do as

00:50:11.579 --> 00:50:15.300
many, you know, songs as you can sing. I think

00:50:15.300 --> 00:50:16.219
I was already singing. In different languages.

00:50:16.619 --> 00:50:18.699
I mean, I was from the English side. Yeah, yeah.

00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:20.940
But I mean, English side also sometimes once

00:50:20.940 --> 00:50:24.400
in a while we sing some novelty songs. That's

00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.360
fine. I mean, I do some novelties too. Right.

00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:30.739
But the thing is that you made, seems like that

00:50:30.739 --> 00:50:34.699
was a concerted effort to move from English over

00:50:34.699 --> 00:50:39.719
to the canto scene back in 1999. I think what

00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:46.150
happened was that People came, I mean, what was

00:50:46.150 --> 00:50:48.110
I going to say? Sorry, brain fog, brain fog,

00:50:48.150 --> 00:50:52.300
brain fog. People came, yes? No. Oh, my gosh.

00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:55.940
Is it because there was a market? There's a bigger

00:50:55.940 --> 00:50:58.639
market for it. A Chinese market. Why did I say

00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:00.780
people came? I don't know. I also don't know.

00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:03.960
I'm trying to guess. That's why I'm volunteering

00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:07.559
this. No, I think, okay, I started from the English

00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:11.440
side and then I think, oh, things just come.

00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:14.480
And then when they come, I just try to ride it.

00:51:14.500 --> 00:51:17.920
I try to go with the flow. But the funny thing

00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:21.639
was, At that time, right, I actually went for

00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:25.980
a Victor Koo Productions audition. Wow. Where

00:51:25.980 --> 00:51:29.860
I sang a Mandarin song. They recorded it. And

00:51:29.860 --> 00:51:34.480
then I somehow, I mean, they offered me something,

00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:39.059
but I just felt like it doesn't make sense because

00:51:39.059 --> 00:51:42.980
of what I'm having now. So then they let me hear

00:51:42.980 --> 00:51:45.480
the recording. And I listened to the recording.

00:51:45.500 --> 00:51:48.300
I was like, oh, my. God, for the first time in

00:51:48.300 --> 00:51:50.539
my life, I realized that I sang Mandarin song

00:51:50.539 --> 00:51:54.960
like an ang moh. Surprise, right? I said ang

00:51:54.960 --> 00:52:00.320
moh, I was like, what the hell? I never realized

00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:03.300
it until I have to hear it being played back.

00:52:03.340 --> 00:52:05.519
When I'm singing it, I don't realize it, you

00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:10.840
know. And that's when I started practicing with,

00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:14.039
okay, that time I had a little guitar amp, so

00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:17.750
I plugged into the amp with my microphone. And

00:52:17.750 --> 00:52:20.389
I used a microphone and I sang and I could hear

00:52:20.389 --> 00:52:23.769
myself singing back. And then I also like studied,

00:52:23.849 --> 00:52:27.130
I mean, kind of listened to Mandarin songs more

00:52:27.130 --> 00:52:29.190
carefully. Cantonese songs as well. To get the

00:52:29.190 --> 00:52:31.869
intonation right. Right. And the way to slur

00:52:31.869 --> 00:52:35.150
and what, how does it make it, how to make it

00:52:35.150 --> 00:52:36.710
sound more Mandarin, how to make it sound more

00:52:36.710 --> 00:52:40.960
Cantonese. And yeah, I guess that's where I got

00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:42.679
better. That's a lot of bloody work behind that

00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.380
one. Yeah, but I mean, that's the thing about

00:52:45.380 --> 00:52:48.619
being a singer or musician. A lot of people,

00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:51.679
right, when they tell me, your job's so easy,

00:52:51.739 --> 00:52:54.880
sing only. Then I'm like, I'll be too late. Yeah.

00:52:55.179 --> 00:52:57.699
No, say it, don't worry. I also too late when

00:52:57.699 --> 00:52:59.260
people say shit like that to me. Right, because

00:52:59.260 --> 00:53:02.429
I feel like... That's not fair, you know. I mean,

00:53:02.449 --> 00:53:04.809
especially like, okay, I know that my musician

00:53:04.809 --> 00:53:08.449
friends, they spend years and years. Honing their

00:53:08.449 --> 00:53:12.889
craft. Exactly. And then, like my godfather,

00:53:12.909 --> 00:53:17.230
Benson, the aforementioned keyboardist, he told

00:53:17.230 --> 00:53:20.570
me like, when he was playing, last time, I don't

00:53:20.570 --> 00:53:21.989
know, was it in the 60s or something, he was

00:53:21.989 --> 00:53:23.510
playing piano, when his band leader would take

00:53:23.510 --> 00:53:26.480
a ruler. knock his head when he plays wrongly.

00:53:26.820 --> 00:53:29.280
But well, those times, it's like that. Yeah,

00:53:29.340 --> 00:53:33.539
I know. So, yeah, a lot of them, I mean, we had

00:53:33.539 --> 00:53:36.159
to go through like a lot of things to practice

00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:40.219
to get where we are. And of course, we had like

00:53:40.219 --> 00:53:43.119
failures as well. And there were times when I'm

00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:45.300
sitting there pulling out my hair like, why can't

00:53:45.300 --> 00:53:49.219
I get this right? You know, this year, started

00:53:49.219 --> 00:53:50.760
this year, started this year, a couple of shows

00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:53.920
ago. That when I get on stage, right, and I have

00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:57.219
performers playing, bands, especially bands are

00:53:57.219 --> 00:54:00.739
performing. And I make it a point now to tell

00:54:00.739 --> 00:54:04.400
audiences, I would like to just make an appeal

00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.800
to everyone to please. I know your dinner is

00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:11.420
in front of you. But if you can, show some appreciation

00:54:11.420 --> 00:54:15.159
and enjoy the music. Because these guys spend

00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:20.159
hours and hours rehearsing. the least you could

00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:23.960
do is accord them that appreciation. Right? I'm

00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:25.639
not asking you to stop eating. I'm just saying

00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:29.019
that just show some appreciation because what

00:54:29.019 --> 00:54:33.119
do we rehearse for? We rehearse to see you being

00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:37.840
happy. Yeah, kind of. I always feel like we are

00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:41.139
all like vessels. We are born to like, some people

00:54:41.139 --> 00:54:43.099
born to sing, some people born to play, can play.

00:54:43.179 --> 00:54:47.880
But why? If not to? share the music and the love

00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:51.380
the music with people yeah right yeah and i i

00:54:51.380 --> 00:54:53.760
have seen like quite a number of people they're

00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:56.239
very nice they they're eating You know, singing,

00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:58.599
everything. But they actually, like, the moment

00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:00.159
we finished, right, they actually, like, hurriedly

00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:02.440
put down their things, their utensils, and they

00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:06.619
clapped for us. Yeah, yeah. That's great. That's

00:55:06.619 --> 00:55:09.139
sweet. Yeah. I love people who do stuff like

00:55:09.139 --> 00:55:14.199
that. Yeah. And, well, I've been saying it so

00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:16.860
often, and I will continue to say it. I lament

00:55:16.860 --> 00:55:21.800
the fact that... Our music is kind of lost now,

00:55:21.980 --> 00:55:24.699
you know, generally amongst the general population

00:55:24.699 --> 00:55:27.420
that people don't really bother, don't really

00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:30.679
appreciate, don't really see music as being an

00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:35.239
integral part of life, you know, and respecting

00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:40.260
those that bring music to them. And it's sad.

00:55:40.460 --> 00:55:44.159
And I really, the reason why I have this series,

00:55:44.380 --> 00:55:48.550
to pay tribute to guys like you. And those that

00:55:48.550 --> 00:55:51.969
came before us as well. And those that's going

00:55:51.969 --> 00:55:56.750
to be the future. And those who support the music

00:55:56.750 --> 00:55:59.610
industry. Even the nightlife scene supports the

00:55:59.610 --> 00:56:02.929
music industry. Not so much so these days. Not

00:56:02.929 --> 00:56:06.369
that you can blame them sometimes. And, you know,

00:56:06.449 --> 00:56:11.449
the reason why I have this is because we cannot

00:56:11.449 --> 00:56:16.239
allow Singapore and Singaporeans to forget. The

00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:19.139
music is important in life. You don't have to

00:56:19.139 --> 00:56:22.440
be a musician, but at least appreciate music

00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:26.460
and appreciate the muso. And appreciate people

00:56:26.460 --> 00:56:27.900
who go out there and perform, whether they're

00:56:27.900 --> 00:56:32.440
magicians or a fire eater or whatever. People

00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:38.159
put a lot on the line to bring joy to you. And

00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:42.880
this is my fight. It's always been my fight for

00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:46.360
the last two plus years. to try to do my best

00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:49.019
in my own way to make sure people understand

00:56:49.019 --> 00:56:51.880
that, hey, come on, man. You can't lose your

00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:55.039
soul. If you lose music, you've lost your soul.

00:56:56.000 --> 00:57:01.500
I'm a big believer in that. And yeah, so I invite

00:57:01.500 --> 00:57:04.519
people like you. I pay tribute. I don't take

00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:08.000
the show lightly. I don't invite people willy

00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:11.800
-nilly. They've got to be, to me, in my own eyes

00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:15.710
and ears, to be of... Hey, phenomenal standard.

00:57:17.269 --> 00:57:20.530
All those who have contributed. You are phenomenal.

00:57:20.969 --> 00:57:24.630
You know what happened that night? The first

00:57:24.630 --> 00:57:28.110
and last time I heard you sing was at our Don't

00:57:28.110 --> 00:57:30.789
Ride Us All concert, right? And I was deeply

00:57:30.789 --> 00:57:34.289
involved in that, I'm sure you know. And for

00:57:34.289 --> 00:57:36.409
two nights, I was there doing my job, hosting

00:57:36.409 --> 00:57:39.190
it. And the second night when you were singing,

00:57:39.289 --> 00:57:41.349
you performing, the Flying Dutchman was there.

00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:47.059
And FD and I are close friends. We've been friends,

00:57:47.219 --> 00:57:51.840
long time friends. And we, this chemistry, the

00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:54.019
two of us. So though he was there as a guest,

00:57:54.139 --> 00:57:56.059
part of the audience and all that, and I was

00:57:56.059 --> 00:57:57.820
with him because you guys are performing what

00:57:57.820 --> 00:58:03.000
I do. And you came up and you sang I Have Nothing,

00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:06.699
Whitney Houston's. And FD was going, who's she?

00:58:07.820 --> 00:58:11.659
And I went, and honestly i said this if i know

00:58:11.659 --> 00:58:14.079
man all i know is she's coming on to sing but

00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:19.159
i don't know her then you started and above our

00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:22.079
jaws dropped and he looked at me and i looked

00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:23.780
at him and this is the thing we've always done

00:58:23.780 --> 00:58:27.739
the two of us every day and i okay she's gonna

00:58:27.739 --> 00:58:29.380
deserve what we're gonna do right you know that

00:58:29.380 --> 00:58:32.059
right she's gonna deserve this so yeah i think

00:58:32.059 --> 00:58:36.380
bro We got to do this. Let's do this. The two

00:58:36.380 --> 00:58:38.239
of us ran up to the foot of the stage. I don't

00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:40.539
know if you noticed, but we went like this to

00:58:40.539 --> 00:58:46.139
you. I think I've got a recollection of that.

00:58:46.420 --> 00:58:48.539
So FD and I came to the foot of the stage and

00:58:48.539 --> 00:58:50.619
the both of us are going like this. I think,

00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:53.519
yeah. Now that you mention it. Yeah, I think

00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:57.940
there's a memory. Even that, doing that, the

00:58:57.940 --> 00:59:01.000
two of us don't do it lightly. So cute. Sometimes

00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:02.880
we go out, right? We do shit like that, you know?

00:59:03.519 --> 00:59:06.019
That's really fun, really. Yeah, yeah. Two of

00:59:06.019 --> 00:59:09.219
us are like a bunch of boys. Two old cocks behave

00:59:09.219 --> 00:59:15.139
like a bunch of boys. Can I join? So, and we

00:59:15.139 --> 00:59:19.599
were blown away. I was like, what the f... fuck

00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:23.380
did I just see? You know? And it was, wow, you

00:59:23.380 --> 00:59:28.480
were absolutely marvelous. And then, okay, Dennis,

00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:31.780
your former boss, Dennis Foo. He was on my show,

00:59:31.820 --> 00:59:34.860
by the way. He was our season premiere for this

00:59:34.860 --> 00:59:38.139
season. That guy, his mind is wow. I know, amazing.

00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:41.800
Amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally amazing. He

00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:44.960
calls you the Zoe Tay of St. James' Power Station.

00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:49.050
Huge compliment. It is. I was like, wow. You

00:59:49.050 --> 00:59:50.730
wore a lot of hats, right, when you were there?

00:59:50.929 --> 00:59:53.289
Sorry? You wore a lot of hats when you were there.

00:59:53.349 --> 00:59:56.110
You were singer, director, arranger. Yeah, my

00:59:56.110 --> 00:59:59.670
other... Arranger? Wait, was I? Hmm. What do

00:59:59.670 --> 01:00:02.130
you call arranging, though? Splicing up songs?

01:00:02.150 --> 01:00:03.650
You know what? If you say that you didn't do

01:00:03.650 --> 01:00:05.610
that, like the Hawkins thing, let me tell you

01:00:05.610 --> 01:00:08.349
something. In the online world, in the digital

01:00:08.349 --> 01:00:11.889
sphere, when I research you, this is what it

01:00:11.889 --> 01:00:15.230
says, you know. Weird. I've never, ever done

01:00:15.230 --> 01:00:18.730
a Hawkins song. uh songs with the front like

01:00:18.730 --> 01:00:21.489
a little bit of how can it's okay still manageable

01:00:21.489 --> 01:00:25.420
like Maybe they thought, a lot of people thought

01:00:25.420 --> 01:00:26.840
that this is a Hokkien song, but it's not. It's

01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:29.519
a Mandarin song. Right. And the words, it's just

01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:32.039
the title only. Okay. That's it, right? Okay.

01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:34.400
Yeah, maybe that's how they got confused. All

01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.380
these things I have in my content asking you,

01:00:37.460 --> 01:00:40.260
it's everything I can find online. It's 100 %

01:00:40.260 --> 01:00:43.639
everything. Really? Wow. I know more about you

01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:45.619
than you know about you. Oh, dang. But people

01:00:45.619 --> 01:00:47.699
out there, my audience doesn't know. So that's

01:00:47.699 --> 01:00:50.460
the reason why I'm asking you stuff. for them?

01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:53.440
Well, I mean, at Dragonfly, I did a lot of things.

01:00:53.500 --> 01:00:57.699
I mean, we did a lot of things. I mean, like,

01:00:57.860 --> 01:01:02.420
for example, Christmas shows, there's Chinese

01:01:02.420 --> 01:01:05.099
New Year show, New Year show. Normally, the Christmas

01:01:05.099 --> 01:01:07.619
one, I will pack it because I'm more gay, right?

01:01:09.300 --> 01:01:12.179
Then, my colleague, Celeste, she will take the

01:01:12.179 --> 01:01:14.559
Chinese New Year one because I'm always having

01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:17.119
trouble with... CNY songs. I'm like, hey, can

01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:23.340
I remember? Hey, you do, you do. Wow, I'm impressed

01:01:23.340 --> 01:01:27.280
with you. That sounded like a song. It sounded

01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:28.820
like a song, thank you. It sounded like a song,

01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:30.739
thank you, thank you. You see? This is why I

01:01:30.739 --> 01:01:32.340
said I dodged a bullet. Lucky I'm not singing

01:01:32.340 --> 01:01:37.480
you today. I think when you say arranging, yeah,

01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:40.300
sometimes I did arrange schedules sometimes.

01:01:40.420 --> 01:01:44.480
And then I did do like the song, the program

01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:47.539
of this, like tonight's program, I'll check through

01:01:47.539 --> 01:01:50.920
with our coordinators. Stop it. You know what

01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:54.500
I meant by arranger? Did you arrange the music?

01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:59.119
If you call splicing... Splicing? Yeah, splicing,

01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:01.539
like the example of Matt Lee, right? You splice

01:02:01.539 --> 01:02:04.429
the songs and then you kind of... But I don't

01:02:04.429 --> 01:02:06.190
know. I've never called myself an arranger before.

01:02:06.190 --> 01:02:08.510
Okay, fine, actually. That's arranging. That's

01:02:08.510 --> 01:02:10.889
arranging, huh? Okay, kind of. It is kind of

01:02:10.889 --> 01:02:13.190
arranging. If it's like backing vocalists, backing

01:02:13.190 --> 01:02:17.489
vocalist parts, right? Yeah, I do do those as

01:02:17.489 --> 01:02:19.349
well. Yeah, it's arranging. Okay, can consider.

01:02:19.670 --> 01:02:21.510
That's why I have to ask you, right, which is

01:02:21.510 --> 01:02:23.809
correct. I'm terrible with terms, you know. I'm

01:02:23.809 --> 01:02:26.469
really terrible. Until now, right, I'm horrible

01:02:26.469 --> 01:02:29.230
with genres. I sometimes ask my colleagues, like,

01:02:29.289 --> 01:02:31.690
what genre is this? I just sang this song, what

01:02:31.690 --> 01:02:36.349
genre? Last time was, okay, people asking me,

01:02:36.409 --> 01:02:39.309
hey Sky, can you sing jazz songs? Oh, can you?

01:02:39.530 --> 01:02:41.670
Then I went back and asked my musician, hey,

01:02:41.750 --> 01:02:44.630
I got jazz songs or not? Can you? Can you sing

01:02:44.630 --> 01:02:46.929
jazz songs? I do commercial jazz songs. Okay.

01:02:47.170 --> 01:02:51.110
Like... me to them those kind la the one Steve

01:02:51.110 --> 01:02:54.969
Steven and Rob hate that song I know right because

01:02:54.969 --> 01:02:58.389
I mean normally like for those like really really

01:02:58.389 --> 01:03:01.630
jazz jazz jazz kind la as they do this song they'll

01:03:01.630 --> 01:03:04.429
be like why you look down on me leh you know

01:03:04.429 --> 01:03:07.510
so that's why I say I'm like a commercial jazz

01:03:07.510 --> 01:03:09.389
singer yeah not the jazz standard stuff singer

01:03:09.389 --> 01:03:15.260
I don't know like the popular ones, the more

01:03:15.260 --> 01:03:18.260
commercial ones. So how was it like when you're

01:03:18.260 --> 01:03:20.500
working in Dragonfly? You know, a particular

01:03:20.500 --> 01:03:23.260
night in Dragonfly, hectic? Blood, sweat, tears,

01:03:23.539 --> 01:03:31.599
fun, joy, gatherings, pranks. Yeah, all this

01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:34.179
really happened, like literally got blood. But

01:03:34.179 --> 01:03:36.420
Dragonfly was jumping, right? I mean, the crowd

01:03:36.420 --> 01:03:40.559
was always there. yeah it was and because our

01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:44.260
two our two or three middle sets are like the

01:03:44.260 --> 01:03:49.579
show sets so we had like feathers we had dancers

01:03:49.579 --> 01:03:53.320
we had weird all kinds of funny costumes we had

01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:58.280
funny sketches so I mean because I I like so

01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:00.599
it's very theatrical it's kind of theatrical

01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:03.199
it's a real show show kind of thing yeah except

01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:06.239
that sometimes You know, like, I'm a very lastminute

01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:09.840
.com person as well. Lastminute .com? Yeah, I

01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:12.780
will suddenly get this whim, like, to do something.

01:04:13.139 --> 01:04:15.920
Like, for example, you know the song, Long bun,

01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:19.179
tung tung tung, right? Short bun. Oh, there we

01:04:19.179 --> 01:04:23.440
go. Long bun, short bun. Which one do you want?

01:04:23.780 --> 01:04:26.880
Who started this? I don't know. It's so funny,

01:04:26.940 --> 01:04:31.449
you know, really. Oh my god. Yeah, I heard this

01:04:31.449 --> 01:04:34.829
as well. This is so funny. Later on, we can have

01:04:34.829 --> 01:04:39.610
one bakchan. I don't want to be hungry. I'm a

01:04:39.610 --> 01:04:42.030
glutton. So you know about this. I don't know

01:04:42.030 --> 01:04:43.750
who started that shit, but I've been using it

01:04:43.750 --> 01:04:46.090
anyway. I don't know. It could be Gino. Yeah,

01:04:46.150 --> 01:04:48.369
it could be Gino. It could be Gino, right? Yeah,

01:04:48.489 --> 01:04:50.929
it could have been Gino. Yeah, because the guy

01:04:50.929 --> 01:04:52.829
is so... He would think about shit like this,

01:04:52.889 --> 01:04:55.369
you know? And he's so good. Yeah, Gino Sunga,

01:04:55.389 --> 01:04:57.739
man. Hey, dude. Come back to Singapore every

01:04:57.739 --> 01:05:01.500
now and then. Lai leh. Yeah, so, okay, for example,

01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:04.320
I would get this whim to suddenly I get this

01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:07.019
idea. I'm like, hey, they put me put Siong Hoi

01:05:07.019 --> 01:05:09.960
Tan this song. Then I'm like, suddenly I got

01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:12.420
a storyline in my head. So I actually have a

01:05:12.420 --> 01:05:15.000
YouTube video on that. So I would come out as

01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:16.980
a singer dressed in Cheongsam. I'll be singing

01:05:16.980 --> 01:05:20.340
one corner. And as I start singing, one couple

01:05:20.340 --> 01:05:22.920
will be coming out together. I've got this dancer

01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:26.480
friend, right? She was actually a dance captain

01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:29.480
last time. She's now Sylvester Sim's wife. That

01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:33.340
is Sissy. So Sissy is like damn good at acting.

01:05:33.500 --> 01:05:36.579
And the way she acts is always very comedic.

01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:40.659
It's very funny, right? She and this guy would

01:05:40.659 --> 01:05:43.219
come out. Her boyfriend, Guy A. Let's call him

01:05:43.219 --> 01:05:45.739
Guy A. Come out, like shopping, shopping. Then

01:05:45.739 --> 01:05:48.579
Guy A packs up his luggage. All this in a very

01:05:48.579 --> 01:05:51.500
short span. Then Guy A packs up his luggage and

01:05:51.500 --> 01:05:54.090
has to go off. And she's like, bye. And then

01:05:54.090 --> 01:05:56.530
suddenly when the moment guy A walks off, guy

01:05:56.530 --> 01:05:59.409
B comes like acting all sexy and everything,

01:05:59.530 --> 01:06:02.269
you know, like a jacket and everything with hat.

01:06:02.489 --> 01:06:04.889
And she's like, and she starts acting like really

01:06:04.889 --> 01:06:07.690
coy and hiao la. Then they got, they got together

01:06:07.690 --> 01:06:09.809
and then they go gai gai and then suddenly guy

01:06:09.809 --> 01:06:14.210
A returns. And guy A is like, no, then guy B

01:06:14.210 --> 01:06:17.309
and guy A gets into this battle. One guy is holding

01:06:17.309 --> 01:06:18.989
a gun. The other guy is holding a knife. He's

01:06:18.989 --> 01:06:21.630
like, how? It was a knife or a sword. And it's

01:06:21.630 --> 01:06:23.409
like, how do you get into a battle with that?

01:06:23.809 --> 01:06:26.070
Bringing a knife to a gunfight. Right. And then,

01:06:26.210 --> 01:06:29.929
okay, so the story would be the guy with a gun,

01:06:30.090 --> 01:06:33.429
I think probably guy B, he will accidentally

01:06:33.429 --> 01:06:36.030
shoot CC. And then CC will take a long time to

01:06:36.030 --> 01:06:38.250
die. She'll spin here, spin there, spin there.

01:06:38.630 --> 01:06:40.630
She will lie down there and then haven't died

01:06:40.630 --> 01:06:42.670
yet. Then that's already towards the end of the

01:06:42.670 --> 01:06:47.670
song. Then I will pause the song. And then I'll

01:06:47.670 --> 01:06:50.800
walk towards... And then I'll put my leg up,

01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:54.599
on the speaker. And then I'll tell the guy A

01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:58.019
and guy B like, look at me. I'm so sexy, something

01:06:58.019 --> 01:07:00.679
like that. Why don't you guys come with me instead?

01:07:00.860 --> 01:07:03.179
And I say, look at that. That thing, I'll point

01:07:03.179 --> 01:07:05.420
at Sissy. I'm like, forget about her. Then Sissy

01:07:05.420 --> 01:07:08.800
like, really sad. And then the guys were like,

01:07:08.860 --> 01:07:10.980
looking at my legs. And then let's go all together.

01:07:11.059 --> 01:07:14.380
Then I'll sing the last part. And then we'll

01:07:14.380 --> 01:07:15.719
go all together. And then Sissy still haven't

01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:19.079
died yet. She's still like, still dying. Something

01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:21.460
like that. This reminds me of a D &D game we

01:07:21.460 --> 01:07:24.960
used to play. Really? Yeah. We get the people,

01:07:25.099 --> 01:07:28.099
the guests in the room. to act these parts out.

01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:31.300
Oh my God. That's so fun. We will narrate the

01:07:31.300 --> 01:07:34.019
story and then we have to act it out. Oh. Yeah.

01:07:34.139 --> 01:07:36.820
The acting game. I think I did that before when

01:07:36.820 --> 01:07:40.340
doing like drama classes. Yeah. It's so fun.

01:07:40.420 --> 01:07:42.480
We try everything, man. I love that. Just make

01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:44.380
sure the people have a good time. I'm sure they

01:07:44.380 --> 01:07:47.400
do. Yeah, totally. So all that kind of thing

01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:50.179
happens in Dragonfly. You guys plan all these

01:07:50.179 --> 01:07:53.300
sort of stuff. There are those pre -planned ones

01:07:53.300 --> 01:07:56.079
and then there are those last minute ones. I'll

01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:57.760
just tell them the idea like, how about you do

01:07:57.760 --> 01:07:59.380
this, do this, do this. And then it was like,

01:07:59.420 --> 01:08:01.940
everybody like, okay, like. That's fun, man.

01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:04.500
That's so fun. Every day is like fun, man, working

01:08:04.500 --> 01:08:07.400
like that. You should hear the pranks, man. Really,

01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:13.039
tell me one. Well, for example, let me see. Oh,

01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:15.780
okay. So happy hour, I drag Sly to sing with

01:08:15.780 --> 01:08:20.760
me. And then during break time, we would like

01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:23.619
be eating. So we bring our own like lunchbox

01:08:23.619 --> 01:08:25.520
kind of thing, like very poor thing. So we are

01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:27.859
like, suddenly like, eh, Celeste's table is here.

01:08:27.899 --> 01:08:30.260
Celeste's table, her dressing table is there.

01:08:30.380 --> 01:08:33.159
Both of us climbed onto it, squat on her table

01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:34.979
and then like, eat that very poor thing like

01:08:34.979 --> 01:08:36.500
beggars and then Steven would take a picture

01:08:36.500 --> 01:08:38.859
and then we posted it and then we're like, hey,

01:08:38.899 --> 01:08:41.079
guess whose table this is? And then Celeste would

01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:45.680
be like, 你们两个坏蛋! You know, complaining. Yeah,

01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.380
stuff like that. She's very family, you guys.

01:08:48.579 --> 01:08:51.020
Yeah, and it's a zoo up there. That's cool, man.

01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:54.060
Did Rob tell you it's a zoo? Not in so many words.

01:08:54.180 --> 01:08:56.279
No, when we say zoo, right, it's literal. It's

01:08:56.279 --> 01:08:58.380
a zoo. There's a lot of animals upstairs. My

01:08:58.380 --> 01:09:00.939
dog, right? My dog will run out of my dressing

01:09:00.939 --> 01:09:03.979
room, the female one, go to the male room and

01:09:03.979 --> 01:09:06.100
then she'll come back, right, with pearls, dripped

01:09:06.100 --> 01:09:08.819
in pearls and, I don't know, some funny thing.

01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:11.890
I'm like... who dressed you up? And she's like,

01:09:11.970 --> 01:09:14.109
really happy. You know, it's like, oh my God.

01:09:14.729 --> 01:09:17.310
Yeah, there were weird, the animals, there's

01:09:17.310 --> 01:09:19.489
like gerbil, there's a bird flying around inside

01:09:19.489 --> 01:09:22.350
as well. Is it gerbil? Yes, it's gerbil. And

01:09:22.350 --> 01:09:24.210
then I think there was a hedgehog at one point.

01:09:24.430 --> 01:09:26.829
Oh my, you know lah. That really is an albino

01:09:26.829 --> 01:09:29.149
hedgehog. Yeah. What? And then there was a bunny

01:09:29.149 --> 01:09:31.670
hopping around also. Dogs, we had more dogs.

01:09:31.890 --> 01:09:34.050
Like my dogs, there were three of them also.

01:09:34.210 --> 01:09:36.289
My dog's kids as well, they came. And then this

01:09:36.289 --> 01:09:38.590
is all cool to that. Yeah, it's like, they are

01:09:38.590 --> 01:09:40.340
so, used to seeing animals running around the

01:09:40.340 --> 01:09:44.100
place. Well, that sounds like a fun joint, man.

01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:47.720
Yeah, it was. Really, really. It was so fun.

01:09:47.939 --> 01:09:50.180
Let's talk about your album, Never Say Goodbye.

01:09:50.579 --> 01:09:53.479
Kai, can we flash that one, please? Was that

01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:55.600
your debut album? No, that's my third album,

01:09:55.659 --> 01:09:57.460
actually. Your third album, right? Yeah, actually.

01:09:58.020 --> 01:10:00.989
Funny, man, because I... Found this one only.

01:10:01.130 --> 01:10:03.829
Can't find the other two, right? Yeah. It's a

01:10:03.829 --> 01:10:07.909
bit hard to find. So I found this one. Tell us

01:10:07.909 --> 01:10:11.210
about the production. Because you know why? It's

01:10:11.210 --> 01:10:14.270
an audiophile album, right? My second album was

01:10:14.270 --> 01:10:17.289
also an audiophile by the same guy, Ying. So

01:10:17.289 --> 01:10:21.970
audiophile means recorded no compression. I think

01:10:21.970 --> 01:10:24.890
so. I'm terrible at this. I'm not a very technical

01:10:24.890 --> 01:10:27.590
person. But you know no compression is nerve

01:10:27.590 --> 01:10:32.430
-wracking, right? I think... It's all you, you

01:10:32.430 --> 01:10:34.770
know. It's all raw you. Well, I mean, I guess

01:10:34.770 --> 01:10:37.770
I wasn't that scared of that because it's being

01:10:37.770 --> 01:10:40.569
a live singer. I sing live every night, dear

01:10:40.569 --> 01:10:42.550
boy. Yeah, but this is... Recording is a different

01:10:42.550 --> 01:10:45.449
animal. There must be some amount of perfection,

01:10:45.529 --> 01:10:47.590
you know. Well, I guess... Okay, for this third

01:10:47.590 --> 01:10:50.289
album, I was kind of worried because it was during

01:10:50.289 --> 01:10:53.840
COVID time and... Strangely, when COVID came

01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:56.600
around, I kind of lost my voice, something about

01:10:56.600 --> 01:10:59.840
it. It was very hard. I could still sing, but

01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:02.920
it was so hard to sing. I'm guessing, could it

01:11:02.920 --> 01:11:11.159
be that I didn't get to sing often? I didn't

01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:15.319
get to sing often. So it made my voice kind of

01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:21.220
close up or something. Out of practice. Yeah,

01:11:21.220 --> 01:11:23.750
but yet. It felt like there was something there.

01:11:23.850 --> 01:11:25.850
And I still haven't caught COVID yet at that

01:11:25.850 --> 01:11:27.989
point in time. It's kind of weird, right? So

01:11:27.989 --> 01:11:31.210
I was recording the album with this voice and

01:11:31.210 --> 01:11:34.729
I struggled a lot. I struggled. I really had

01:11:34.729 --> 01:11:38.029
to, like, my whole body engage everything. But

01:11:38.029 --> 01:11:42.229
there's no compression. I mean, it's a real struggle,

01:11:42.409 --> 01:11:45.590
even worse. Yeah, it was kind of. And the strange

01:11:45.590 --> 01:11:48.449
thing was after that, right, I caught COVID.

01:11:48.770 --> 01:11:51.609
After I recovered from COVID, my voice came back.

01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:54.220
I was like, huh? See me, normally it's the other

01:11:54.220 --> 01:11:56.779
way around. A lot of people complaining to me

01:11:56.779 --> 01:12:00.180
that they lost their voices because of, they

01:12:00.180 --> 01:12:02.380
lost their voice because of COVID. They got COVID

01:12:02.380 --> 01:12:04.420
already. Might be the other way around. I'm like,

01:12:04.500 --> 01:12:07.119
yeah, thank you COVID. I mean, for my case, only

01:12:07.119 --> 01:12:11.180
for my case. Yeah. So yeah, it was quite a struggle.

01:12:11.779 --> 01:12:15.680
But I mean, I'm, I'm more happier with my, my

01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:17.960
second audio file album, which is my third album.

01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:22.050
My second, my, First audiophile one, that one

01:12:22.050 --> 01:12:24.989
was, I don't think I did very well at all. Can

01:12:24.989 --> 01:12:28.930
I just ask you, what the hell is an audiophile

01:12:28.930 --> 01:12:34.090
album? To me, an audiophile album is like you

01:12:34.090 --> 01:12:37.989
sit there, then you record. You record, then

01:12:37.989 --> 01:12:45.050
you can't auto -tune at all. Because you can't

01:12:45.050 --> 01:12:48.039
do anything like... much to it maybe maybe add

01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:50.079
a little bit of like reverb or something i don't

01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:51.779
know you know that kind of thing i would have

01:12:51.779 --> 01:12:54.319
thought an audiophile album will be for the audiophile

01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:57.180
for the guy that has got this expensive sound

01:12:57.180 --> 01:13:00.500
system at home yeah yeah that's that that's what

01:13:00.500 --> 01:13:02.899
i know about it as well like i heard that some

01:13:02.899 --> 01:13:05.279
people got some floating room i don't know what

01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:08.039
see me how how to make the it's like they have

01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:10.539
floating room as in below got nothing or something

01:13:10.539 --> 01:13:12.819
and then like the speakers are not touching the

01:13:12.819 --> 01:13:15.289
floor is that I don't know something very confusing

01:13:15.289 --> 01:13:18.590
basically it's for the guy who spends thousands

01:13:18.590 --> 01:13:22.050
and thousands of dollars to have that beautiful

01:13:22.050 --> 01:13:24.810
music and sound coming out of the system and

01:13:24.810 --> 01:13:26.829
to have it sound as though I'm sitting next to

01:13:26.829 --> 01:13:30.710
him correct right so it sounds as if there's

01:13:30.710 --> 01:13:32.590
a live performance happening right in front of

01:13:32.590 --> 01:13:35.529
him and apparently if like at some point of time

01:13:35.529 --> 01:13:39.069
while I'm singing if I did some kind of they

01:13:39.069 --> 01:13:42.489
keep it in because they feel that it's like real

01:13:42.489 --> 01:13:46.810
it's real yeah and apparently I heard that guys

01:13:46.810 --> 01:13:49.369
that they're like they have this community or

01:13:49.369 --> 01:13:51.550
something that you know they are all crazy about

01:13:51.550 --> 01:13:54.069
this so they will compare notes with each other

01:13:54.069 --> 01:13:59.220
like hey you know at 2 .01 I heard this Yeah.

01:13:59.220 --> 01:14:03.840
Yeah. This is what I thought an audiophile album

01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:08.460
would be about. And hence the reason when I heard

01:14:08.460 --> 01:14:12.119
I was listening to your cover on this album of

01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:16.279
Keller's Whisper. And I listened to the orchestration,

01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:19.659
then I recognized, ah, maybe that's why they

01:14:19.659 --> 01:14:23.000
orchestrated it this way. Can we play the excerpt

01:14:23.000 --> 01:15:07.399
of that, please? I'm so lost I had fun with messing

01:15:07.399 --> 01:15:11.500
about. No, I'm listening. You see, there you

01:15:11.500 --> 01:15:16.100
go. The guitar is here. The bass line replaces

01:15:16.100 --> 01:15:21.699
the saxophone in the original. And your voice,

01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:42.640
oh my gosh. You see? So it's the bass line. Nice,

01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:45.899
man. Now that I'm listening into my cans because

01:15:45.899 --> 01:15:49.100
I've been doing work on my studio monitors, right?

01:15:49.180 --> 01:15:53.800
So on my cans, wow, now I understand. It's everywhere.

01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:58.920
It's all over. It's so nice and special. My arranger

01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:02.000
took a lot of time with this album. He really

01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:05.180
put in a lot of effort and we went to and fro

01:16:05.180 --> 01:16:09.039
because this is like such an important project

01:16:09.039 --> 01:16:15.359
for us, right? We went to and fro a lot. So,

01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:20.439
yeah. So, this arranger is a friend of mine called

01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:22.479
Sebastian. I think you saw him the other day.

01:16:22.579 --> 01:16:25.359
Who's Sebastian? Who? Seb? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:25.460 --> 01:16:27.439
Seb arranged this? He arranged it. Hey, Seb!

01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:32.119
Whoa, Seb! Yeah. So, he put in a lot of effort.

01:16:32.220 --> 01:16:34.899
So, the thing is, right, I think... Was it Seb's

01:16:34.899 --> 01:16:39.130
guitar? Yeah, of course. oh yeah why do you think

01:16:39.130 --> 01:16:41.369
why do you think i every time like you know i

01:16:41.369 --> 01:16:43.149
got guitar gigs i grabbed this guy this guy is

01:16:43.149 --> 01:16:47.010
amazing really so we we went to and fro a lot

01:16:47.010 --> 01:16:49.569
like discussing how we wanted and this is a song

01:16:49.569 --> 01:16:52.270
where he said okay how about making a bass shine

01:16:52.270 --> 01:16:57.350
for this song like a bass bass guitar thing right

01:16:57.350 --> 01:17:02.819
and then um also I think the reason why I got

01:17:02.819 --> 01:17:06.239
Sepp to arrange this album is also because like

01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:14.819
he's he's got a fresh ouch he's got a fresh take

01:17:14.819 --> 01:17:18.680
and fresh look on songs and all that right being

01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:22.600
I think because he's like not trained as what

01:17:22.600 --> 01:17:24.800
do you call that, to do like this kind of things

01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:26.420
properly. I think, is it? Or he doesn't really

01:17:26.420 --> 01:17:28.600
have much experience yet at that point of time

01:17:28.600 --> 01:17:30.199
to do all this arranging. But I think he could.

01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:33.880
He had the goods. He had the stuff. So, and I

01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:37.060
wanted it to be like something different, you

01:17:37.060 --> 01:17:39.359
know. Different perspective. Someone fresh. Right.

01:17:39.539 --> 01:17:43.180
Someone fresh. Okay. No, Seb's great. I mean,

01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:45.979
I know that. Exactly. And then we've got, we

01:17:45.979 --> 01:17:49.300
had Mei. Mei was playing keys. Mei Shu. Mei Shu.

01:17:49.520 --> 01:17:53.689
Yeah. Colin Yong. Oh, Colin. Bassist. He's the

01:17:53.689 --> 01:17:55.989
only alumni. That was Colin Young's bass. Yes.

01:17:55.989 --> 01:17:59.909
He's the only alumni. Hey, Colin. Can I try that?

01:17:59.970 --> 01:18:04.970
Hey, Colin. Hey. It can only be one Sky and it

01:18:04.970 --> 01:18:07.560
can only be one Chris. Thank you. Thank you.

01:18:07.640 --> 01:18:10.819
Right. Yeah. And the drummer was Rizal. Rizal

01:18:10.819 --> 01:18:15.039
Sanik. Oh, Rizal. Yes. All friends, right? Yeah.

01:18:15.060 --> 01:18:19.439
Hi, Rizal. All the friends. Yeah. Oh, my goodness.

01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:24.520
Yeah. And this was like the, it was during COVID

01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:27.279
that we recorded this when the moment they allow

01:18:27.279 --> 01:18:32.420
only, they allow recording, right? And before

01:18:32.420 --> 01:18:35.699
that, all the preparations were done. We went

01:18:35.699 --> 01:18:38.500
through the list. lyrics, uh, practiced it. Like

01:18:38.500 --> 01:18:41.180
we, we were, we were sending files. So Seth would,

01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:43.899
uh, do like the song kind of, he's like, wait,

01:18:43.939 --> 01:18:45.460
how about this? And he sends it to me and I'll

01:18:45.460 --> 01:18:47.960
record from my home. And then we'll, we'll be

01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:50.939
like, uh, like talking about, uh, where, which

01:18:50.939 --> 01:18:53.159
part should do what. And then I was like having

01:18:53.159 --> 01:18:56.199
fun with it. So all this was not recorded in

01:18:56.199 --> 01:18:59.680
the studio. This recording, the initial recording

01:18:59.680 --> 01:19:02.500
was just demo. Then after that, you guys went

01:19:02.500 --> 01:19:04.319
into the studio to get the final product. For

01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:08.840
producer to hear. At least he gets an idea. Before

01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:12.380
that was a song choosing and everything. You

01:19:12.380 --> 01:19:15.239
said somewhere, I don't know which interview

01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:19.760
that you said this, a siren never change her

01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:24.739
scales. Really? I said that? Yeah. I picked it

01:19:24.739 --> 01:19:27.319
up somewhere. And I wanted to ask you, what do

01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:30.579
you mean by a siren never changes scales? It

01:19:30.579 --> 01:19:32.579
was so cool. It's actually quite a cool saying.

01:19:32.720 --> 01:19:34.479
I probably got it from a leopard never changes

01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:38.159
spot. Oh, wow. But are you sure that was me?

01:19:38.260 --> 01:19:40.899
It was you. I think I always find things. It

01:19:40.899 --> 01:19:42.899
was you. And I think it was such a cool statement

01:19:42.899 --> 01:19:45.859
to make. A siren never changes scales, just much

01:19:45.859 --> 01:19:47.680
like a leopard doesn't change its spots. Zero.

01:19:48.420 --> 01:19:50.760
recollection of that yeah I don't remember okay

01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:53.319
but you see guys like me ought to do deep research

01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:56.319
on my guests and you did say it somewhere but

01:19:56.319 --> 01:19:58.520
I just wanted to tell you I just really love

01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:00.420
that statement I think that statement's amazing

01:20:00.420 --> 01:20:04.880
oh the siren never changes the scales wow so

01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:07.880
freaking cool damn you're a cool mama man I can

01:20:07.880 --> 01:20:11.319
tell you I'm sorry are you a mama my doggy mama

01:20:11.789 --> 01:20:14.550
I mean, she passed away already, but I was her

01:20:14.550 --> 01:20:16.689
doggie mama. Hey, did you know my dog went on

01:20:16.689 --> 01:20:18.909
stage in Dragonfly as well? She's a performer

01:20:18.909 --> 01:20:23.010
sometimes. What dog was this? A Blenheim Cavalier

01:20:23.010 --> 01:20:25.449
King Charles Spaniel. Okay. Blenheim is a colour.

01:20:26.029 --> 01:20:30.510
Then, by the way, don't get confused. It's actually

01:20:30.510 --> 01:20:32.810
two different breeds, right? Cavalier King Charles

01:20:32.810 --> 01:20:35.649
Spaniel and King Charles Spaniel. Two different

01:20:35.649 --> 01:20:38.270
breeds. Right, because a lot of people are like...

01:20:38.510 --> 01:20:40.050
hey, is that a King Charles? I'm like, eh, no,

01:20:40.109 --> 01:20:42.109
it's a Cavalier King Charles. I'm aware, I'm

01:20:42.109 --> 01:20:44.670
aware of the difference. I'm a big dog lover,

01:20:44.770 --> 01:20:48.489
sorry. Yeah, your hero is so cute. Thank you.

01:20:48.510 --> 01:20:52.609
There's a hero. Yeah, what a nice surprise it

01:20:52.609 --> 01:20:56.810
was. Is Whitney Houston your, your go -to favorite?

01:20:58.250 --> 01:21:00.909
Ah, see, I told you before, I'm a hoarder, right?

01:21:01.050 --> 01:21:03.189
Yeah, I know. I just have to ask that question

01:21:03.189 --> 01:21:08.090
because not many people, not many singers, would

01:21:08.090 --> 01:21:12.989
really even attempt. But you just, my gosh, you

01:21:12.989 --> 01:21:15.829
just go for it, man. That's what I have to ask

01:21:15.829 --> 01:21:19.289
you. I think for me, I usually go for the songs.

01:21:19.930 --> 01:21:26.130
If you ask me which artist or which band's songs

01:21:26.130 --> 01:21:30.029
that I'm very well versed in, it would not be

01:21:30.029 --> 01:21:33.510
Whitney. It would be Guns N' Roses. No shit,

01:21:33.550 --> 01:21:39.090
really. You rock and chigger. Yeah. Yeah. Basically,

01:21:39.229 --> 01:21:42.689
I love... That's how I got into my first band

01:21:42.689 --> 01:21:45.510
in school. We had a band when we were in school.

01:21:45.649 --> 01:21:48.670
We were only playing Guns N' Roses songs. Wow.

01:21:48.689 --> 01:21:52.409
Nothing else. So, songs from Lies, Appetite for

01:21:52.409 --> 01:21:58.449
Destruction, Illusion 1, Illusion 2. Wow. It's

01:21:58.449 --> 01:22:01.260
so fun, you know. I love singing their songs.

01:22:01.399 --> 01:22:06.380
It just so happens then that you are good at

01:22:06.380 --> 01:22:14.060
Whitney songs. I guess, I mean, I think for me,

01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:16.520
I like to sing different types of songs as well.

01:22:16.699 --> 01:22:22.720
Again, the hoarder thingy. I mean, when I knew

01:22:22.720 --> 01:22:24.680
I could sing Whitney songs, I could sing Mariah

01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:27.279
Carey songs, I could sing Celine songs, I'm like,

01:22:27.359 --> 01:22:30.479
hey, Laila, just do. Just do and see where I

01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:32.920
can go with that. You are freaking scary, man.

01:22:33.420 --> 01:22:36.699
Well, like, matter of fact, you know, Mariah

01:22:36.699 --> 01:22:40.000
Carey, Whitney Houston, Celine, wow. Oh, but

01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:43.239
you know whose songs I struggled with initially?

01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:47.270
Anita Mui. Because I've got this... No way! I

01:22:47.270 --> 01:22:49.670
love to sing low songs, right? I'm like, oh my

01:22:49.670 --> 01:22:51.869
gosh. I love to hear her. I love to hear the

01:22:51.869 --> 01:22:54.449
low, low voice who are so sexy, so shook, right?

01:22:54.670 --> 01:22:58.350
So at that time, my voice wasn't that low as

01:22:58.350 --> 01:23:01.390
well. So I would say that my range was probably

01:23:01.390 --> 01:23:03.970
like that last time, like that means low to high.

01:23:04.529 --> 01:23:07.810
But somehow time later on, you know, with practice

01:23:07.810 --> 01:23:10.189
and everything, it did grow. Is it a fact that

01:23:10.189 --> 01:23:12.850
your range can grow with practice? I think so,

01:23:12.869 --> 01:23:15.039
you know. Isn't there a limitation to it? I mean,

01:23:15.100 --> 01:23:18.140
well, there's definitely like at some point there's

01:23:18.140 --> 01:23:21.920
definitely got to stop, you know. But I think

01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:25.380
that with the right use of techniques and discovering

01:23:25.380 --> 01:23:31.239
which part of your body to use to hit notes and

01:23:31.239 --> 01:23:37.029
all that will help you to widen your range. Like

01:23:37.029 --> 01:23:39.649
I said, before that, years ago, when I didn't

01:23:39.649 --> 01:23:41.750
know how to use the higher techniques, I was

01:23:41.750 --> 01:23:44.449
struggling with the high notes for Whitney songs,

01:23:44.869 --> 01:23:46.909
Mariah Carey songs. I was like, hey, I cannot

01:23:46.909 --> 01:23:49.729
reach. I was struggling. But now, it's easier

01:23:49.729 --> 01:23:53.989
because of the techniques. Right. Okay. Singapore

01:23:53.989 --> 01:23:57.470
Day. Singapore Day. In New York. The very first

01:23:57.470 --> 01:24:01.590
Singapore Day in New York. Yeah. How was that

01:24:01.590 --> 01:24:06.170
like for you? How did it start? I'm trying to

01:24:06.170 --> 01:24:09.170
remember. Dennis brought you there. No, actually

01:24:09.170 --> 01:24:15.409
it was Jonathan Lim. Chestnuts. Jonathan Lim,

01:24:15.510 --> 01:24:18.069
right? I think he's passed away, right? Yeah.

01:24:18.970 --> 01:24:22.989
He was with us for a few episodes in one of our

01:24:22.989 --> 01:24:25.170
other podcasts a couple of years back. Brilliant

01:24:25.170 --> 01:24:30.010
guy. So anyway, I'm trying to remember. Oh wait,

01:24:30.050 --> 01:24:34.020
was it him? Or was it Kevin Matthews? No, no,

01:24:34.039 --> 01:24:35.840
no. Sorry, sorry. I got confused, right? Okay,

01:24:35.899 --> 01:24:39.359
so Kevin Matthews, I think he was performing

01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:41.479
as well and he needed a female singer or something

01:24:41.479 --> 01:24:46.140
like that. And so I followed him to, I mean,

01:24:46.140 --> 01:24:51.380
to there, but... When John Lim knew that I was

01:24:51.380 --> 01:24:54.640
in this also, I think some other... Because I

01:24:54.640 --> 01:24:58.100
was in Forbidden City before. Right. Forbidden

01:24:58.100 --> 01:25:04.340
City, Magic of Love. Yeah. So basically, I did

01:25:04.340 --> 01:25:07.359
musicals before. So they had a musical segment

01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:11.180
during Singapore Day. And they just need to like

01:25:11.180 --> 01:25:13.739
another person, I guess. And since I was already

01:25:13.739 --> 01:25:17.140
going, might as well just use me. Okay. And which

01:25:17.140 --> 01:25:19.680
turned out to be quite fun for me as well. In

01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:21.979
Central Park, right? Yeah, Central Park. And

01:25:21.979 --> 01:25:23.720
there were other places as well. I remember there

01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:26.819
was a library. That one is just like me and a

01:25:26.819 --> 01:25:30.560
band or something performing there. Oh, my memory

01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:32.680
is so vague now. Because I was actually feeling

01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:36.920
very unwell during that trip. I was having a

01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:39.939
female problem. Okay. And the weather was cold.

01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:43.060
And my back was aching. Okay. See, I'm honest

01:25:43.060 --> 01:25:47.590
about it. You're very honest. Okay. I'm not even

01:25:47.590 --> 01:25:51.010
going to say TMI because I'm okay with it. What

01:25:51.010 --> 01:25:53.510
was the reception like for you? I mean, from

01:25:53.510 --> 01:25:56.750
the audience when you went up to perform. Did

01:25:56.750 --> 01:25:58.710
people start to realize that, wow, Singapore

01:25:58.710 --> 01:26:03.149
has got this product, man. I think that I was

01:26:03.149 --> 01:26:05.630
like doing songs that were not like Whitney type

01:26:05.630 --> 01:26:10.350
of styles. So it was more like a group. thingy

01:26:10.350 --> 01:26:14.810
going on with Kevin Matthews and the band is

01:26:14.810 --> 01:26:17.310
also like me and him singing together on and

01:26:17.310 --> 01:26:20.810
off and with the musical one is like just like

01:26:20.810 --> 01:26:23.609
group singing the whole like a chorus thingy

01:26:23.609 --> 01:26:25.770
and then we were just dancing along you know

01:26:25.770 --> 01:26:31.390
but I think I remember the audience was really

01:26:31.390 --> 01:26:35.409
enthusiastic they were happy and this was actually

01:26:35.409 --> 01:26:39.960
a very memorable trip for me because Okay, so

01:26:39.960 --> 01:26:43.239
I don't know. At some point, sometimes I talk,

01:26:43.260 --> 01:26:45.539
where I can't hear myself, I talk nonsense, basically.

01:26:46.100 --> 01:26:48.380
And somehow or other, I accidentally, I went,

01:26:48.579 --> 01:26:52.319
I think I said something about, we are in New

01:26:52.319 --> 01:26:55.000
York and I'm so happy to be in New York bringing

01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:57.479
Singapore Day together or something. And I'm

01:26:57.479 --> 01:27:00.159
like, oh, two countries together. I mean, obviously,

01:27:00.159 --> 01:27:03.720
I meant like USA. Not the state. Not the state.

01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:06.970
But then I had a friend in the crowd. Right,

01:27:06.989 --> 01:27:12.090
Mark. It's Mark Christopher Cole. So it's so

01:27:12.090 --> 01:27:16.029
funny. He texted me like, New York is not a country.

01:27:16.109 --> 01:27:18.449
I'm like, yes, I know that. I know that. I didn't

01:27:18.449 --> 01:27:23.590
mean that. But that trip was very special to

01:27:23.590 --> 01:27:27.670
me also because I visited Mark and Melissa's

01:27:27.670 --> 01:27:31.689
home. They're a couple, husband and wife. They're

01:27:31.689 --> 01:27:35.640
from Singapore, both lawyers. working in New

01:27:35.640 --> 01:27:40.319
York. And I spent some lovely time together with

01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:42.020
Mark. Just him and me hanging out. We were good

01:27:42.020 --> 01:27:45.180
friends. We were good friends, right? So then

01:27:45.180 --> 01:27:48.220
after that, quite a... I mean, a few years later,

01:27:48.359 --> 01:27:52.579
he got brain tumor and then he has passed on.

01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:55.640
Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Well, it's... I still think

01:27:55.640 --> 01:27:57.720
of him. I still miss him a lot. But I hang out

01:27:57.720 --> 01:28:03.439
with his wife now, Melissa. So... I was glad

01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:07.439
that that trip enabled me to see him. Made it

01:28:07.439 --> 01:28:10.460
more meaningful. Yeah. And I got to hang out

01:28:10.460 --> 01:28:13.359
with him because he was in New York all the time.

01:28:13.460 --> 01:28:16.319
And then I was in Singapore. So we barely got

01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:18.380
to see each other. And the entire Singapore Day

01:28:18.380 --> 01:28:22.239
concept was my wife's idea. Oh. I'm not going

01:28:22.239 --> 01:28:26.619
to go more than that. Wow. She's amazing. I'm

01:28:26.619 --> 01:28:28.079
not going to go further than that because I don't

01:28:28.079 --> 01:28:31.659
want to get too much trouble. Yeah, but it was

01:28:31.659 --> 01:28:35.260
her. It's her brainchild. Really cool. You know,

01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:38.619
but bringing, I mean, if I were overseas, I would

01:28:38.619 --> 01:28:42.699
love to see like this kind of thing, like eat

01:28:42.699 --> 01:28:45.000
Singapore food because that was brought over

01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:47.039
to them as well. This was the very first one.

01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:49.199
Even the Ji Kueh uncle, auntie from Feng Chuan

01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:52.279
Market was flown there. Oh my God. Yeah. Sure.

01:28:52.579 --> 01:28:55.800
I mean, well, we didn't, the performers didn't

01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:58.479
get to eat. I think, right? Yeah, I didn't. But

01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:00.680
then, okay lah. I mean, we're happy to have brought

01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:04.779
it to our fellow Singaporeans over there. Your

01:29:04.779 --> 01:29:07.039
upcoming show, Romance of the Past, pays tribute

01:29:07.039 --> 01:29:10.600
to Mandarin classics from the 1940s and 1960s.

01:29:10.699 --> 01:29:20.369
Yeah. Why? Believe it or not, I actually do listen

01:29:20.369 --> 01:29:22.909
to those music, those songs, you know. They're

01:29:22.909 --> 01:29:26.149
so lovely. Especially this one, right? Okay,

01:29:26.229 --> 01:29:30.890
my latest favorite from that era, right? Okay,

01:29:31.449 --> 01:29:33.409
wait, did I get that title right? Okay, but Zhou

01:29:33.409 --> 01:29:35.489
Xuan, Zhou Xuan, right? She's known as a golden

01:29:35.489 --> 01:29:40.000
voice of that era. So, like... I like to listen

01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:44.079
to this song when it's like dark at night, quiet

01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:46.319
with like a media. It's really old, you know.

01:29:47.260 --> 01:29:50.180
1940s, 1950s is like old. But it's so beautiful.

01:29:50.699 --> 01:29:55.119
I don't even have any exposure to music of Chinese

01:29:55.119 --> 01:29:58.439
music of that era. I mean, like maybe Teng Lee

01:29:58.439 --> 01:30:00.359
Chin, yeah, but she's not like this. She's more

01:30:00.359 --> 01:30:04.430
1970s, right? Yeah. He's like, I never forget

01:30:04.430 --> 01:30:07.869
you. You forget me. Who came up with this? This

01:30:07.869 --> 01:30:11.590
is funny also. My name you also say wrong. Yeah.

01:30:12.050 --> 01:30:14.689
This is so funny. Yeah. I always want to know

01:30:14.689 --> 01:30:17.029
who came up with all these things. Must credit

01:30:17.029 --> 01:30:19.529
them. Pay tribute to them. So your concert's

01:30:19.529 --> 01:30:22.449
coming up. How are you excited about it? Sorry?

01:30:22.609 --> 01:30:24.729
Are you excited about it? We just flashed a concert

01:30:24.729 --> 01:30:27.409
promo, by the way. Oh, you did? Yeah. Thank you.

01:30:30.490 --> 01:30:32.970
Actually, I'm quite excited, looking forward

01:30:32.970 --> 01:30:35.850
to it. Hopefully, I won't be in this state. Touch

01:30:35.850 --> 01:30:37.949
wood, touch wood, touch wood. People, you can

01:30:37.949 --> 01:30:43.069
use the Culture Pass, the SG Culture Pass for

01:30:43.069 --> 01:30:44.829
this concert. As a matter of fact, you know,

01:30:44.869 --> 01:30:47.750
I didn't find out about it online. I mean, later

01:30:47.750 --> 01:30:50.890
on, I did. But initially, because I went for

01:30:50.890 --> 01:30:55.569
the Mel and Joe Ferdinand's, the 55th anniversary

01:30:55.569 --> 01:30:59.350
concert, right? So, we were there. And I was

01:30:59.350 --> 01:31:02.250
leaving, after the concert, leaving the Esplanade,

01:31:02.289 --> 01:31:05.609
on the way down, and I saw this familiar face.

01:31:06.010 --> 01:31:11.409
Eh, auntie! Eh, wait a second! That's guy! Eh,

01:31:11.409 --> 01:31:14.930
this travel! Eh, this travel gonna be singing

01:31:14.930 --> 01:31:18.390
here, hor! Supermarket auntie, hor! Watch me

01:31:18.390 --> 01:31:20.670
fight my way through the supermarket aisles,

01:31:20.670 --> 01:31:26.399
yeah. The sea of aunties, yeah. And that's when

01:31:26.399 --> 01:31:28.560
I realized, oh, she's got a concert that's coming

01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:31.800
up. Yeah, so anyway, did you the favor of fleshing

01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:33.380
it up there? Thank you so much. Yeah, you know,

01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:35.739
and all the best for that one. One more last

01:31:35.739 --> 01:31:37.760
question because we've been at it for about an

01:31:37.760 --> 01:31:39.319
hour and a half, I think. See, I told you I don't

01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:41.720
non -stop read it. But we've always been fun.

01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:47.340
Last final question, Skye. What's the one piece

01:31:47.340 --> 01:31:49.840
of advice you'd give to a young singer studying

01:31:49.840 --> 01:31:54.279
out in Singapore's live music scene today? I

01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:57.140
think I remember giving out this advice before

01:31:57.140 --> 01:32:02.420
as well. Several actually. First thing is, can

01:32:02.420 --> 01:32:05.579
you, do you have it? That's one thing. You can

01:32:05.579 --> 01:32:09.100
be raw, you know, you can be like raw and, but

01:32:09.100 --> 01:32:12.260
still have talent to do it. But you can also

01:32:12.260 --> 01:32:18.020
be like, maybe your singing is like not so, okay,

01:32:18.079 --> 01:32:19.840
we're just talking about singer, right? Okay.

01:32:19.979 --> 01:32:23.119
So let's just say if your singing is like, not

01:32:23.119 --> 01:32:26.760
there, but you're like great at bringing up the

01:32:26.760 --> 01:32:28.739
crowd, rah -rah -ing and everything. That's also

01:32:28.739 --> 01:32:32.800
a talent, you know. So singing can be improved.

01:32:33.020 --> 01:32:36.460
So if you improve on your singing and then you

01:32:36.460 --> 01:32:38.899
have the X factor of rah -rah -ing with people

01:32:38.899 --> 01:32:41.520
or somehow other entertaining people, because

01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:44.199
I feel like entertaining, yeah, it's great that,

01:32:44.260 --> 01:32:47.300
you know, able to sing. Yes, that's important,

01:32:47.439 --> 01:32:52.020
of course, but... you need to have like certain

01:32:52.020 --> 01:32:56.699
factors as well to appeal to the crowd. Because

01:32:56.699 --> 01:32:59.140
if... There's the X factor, right? Yeah, the

01:32:59.140 --> 01:33:02.159
X factor, I suppose, you know. And you wouldn't

01:33:02.159 --> 01:33:05.840
know, would you be able to... I started, you

01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:07.439
wouldn't know. There's a reason why I come to

01:33:07.439 --> 01:33:12.739
that. Would you be able to define X factor? What

01:33:12.739 --> 01:33:18.979
is it? What exactly is it? Because Kuopo was

01:33:18.979 --> 01:33:23.859
here. Kuopo. Oh, yes. KP said that it's very

01:33:23.859 --> 01:33:26.100
hard to put a finger to it. I'm not so into words.

01:33:26.279 --> 01:33:30.920
I'm not quoting her, but somewhat. And I agree.

01:33:31.319 --> 01:33:34.079
Yeah, I mean, it's very hard to come to a clear

01:33:34.079 --> 01:33:37.239
definition of what X -Factor would mean. I think

01:33:37.239 --> 01:33:40.060
this one, I would throw it to the audience because,

01:33:40.279 --> 01:33:42.079
well, not really throw it to the audience, more

01:33:42.079 --> 01:33:44.699
like see the audience, right? Let's just say

01:33:44.699 --> 01:33:48.539
if I was an audience. Yeah. then somebody comes

01:33:48.539 --> 01:33:50.800
on stage. Will I listen to the person? Will I

01:33:50.800 --> 01:33:53.340
watch the person? Is that person watchable? If

01:33:53.340 --> 01:33:56.079
somehow or other that person has something that

01:33:56.079 --> 01:34:00.539
is attractive to me, I'll be watching definitely.

01:34:01.060 --> 01:34:04.659
Maybe the singing can be like, I think maybe

01:34:04.659 --> 01:34:07.939
I'm talking about all -rounder, entertainer kind

01:34:07.939 --> 01:34:13.100
of person. Or maybe if the person does nothing

01:34:13.100 --> 01:34:16.939
but stands there, and sing and the singing somehow

01:34:16.939 --> 01:34:20.840
is like so good yeah wow it's captivating enough

01:34:20.840 --> 01:34:23.220
captivating and the person doesn't even have

01:34:23.220 --> 01:34:26.859
to be like super wow perfect you know if the

01:34:26.859 --> 01:34:28.920
person like let's just say maybe sometimes it's

01:34:28.920 --> 01:34:32.319
the voice tone right sometimes it's the way the

01:34:32.319 --> 01:34:36.359
person uh carries the song yeah or what the person

01:34:36.359 --> 01:34:39.359
is expressing out what i can feel right then

01:34:39.960 --> 01:34:41.659
I think that, I would say that, yeah, the person

01:34:41.659 --> 01:34:44.180
should continue in a career in that. But if the

01:34:44.180 --> 01:34:47.680
person just doesn't, you know, have it, then

01:34:47.680 --> 01:34:51.859
I would really think that, you know, like, spending

01:34:51.859 --> 01:34:55.859
the rest of too much time on it, it's, it doesn't,

01:34:55.859 --> 01:34:59.020
you know, it doesn't really work lah, you know.

01:34:59.380 --> 01:35:02.020
Should do something else. Find, find what you

01:35:02.020 --> 01:35:04.899
were born to do. So basically, don't be deluded

01:35:04.899 --> 01:35:08.300
lah. Yeah, that's one thing also. And then if

01:35:08.300 --> 01:35:11.260
you... My head got caught in the chair, sorry.

01:35:12.979 --> 01:35:16.560
And then if you... And then, okay, that's the

01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:19.319
first thing. See whether you have it. The second

01:35:19.319 --> 01:35:23.039
thing is, how hungry are you? Right? If you're

01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:26.699
not hungry, like, okay, I'll be honest. Just

01:35:26.699 --> 01:35:28.560
I remember when I was younger, actually, I wasn't

01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:31.520
that hungry because being a Singaporean and being

01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:34.359
like... like okay i i guess we have a pretty

01:35:34.359 --> 01:35:37.159
good life here right we we live with our parents

01:35:37.159 --> 01:35:40.720
and our parents like provide for us so we we

01:35:40.720 --> 01:35:43.720
don't really need to fight that much for something

01:35:43.720 --> 01:35:47.159
yeah and that made me very like yeah anything

01:35:47.159 --> 01:35:52.180
more complacent you know so um i wasn't hungry

01:35:52.180 --> 01:35:54.159
enough in the beginning and that's why maybe

01:35:54.159 --> 01:36:00.149
i i was wasting quite a bit of time like on being

01:36:00.149 --> 01:36:02.869
ADHD and getting attracted by this and that,

01:36:02.930 --> 01:36:05.010
you know, all that kind of stuff. But Skye, that's

01:36:05.010 --> 01:36:07.149
part and parcel of who you are. I suppose it's

01:36:07.149 --> 01:36:08.590
like a part of me growing up as well. It is,

01:36:08.729 --> 01:36:12.489
not just growing up, even now. Oh, come on. I'm

01:36:12.489 --> 01:36:16.010
not, who says I'm grown up? I'm not. Yeah, so

01:36:16.010 --> 01:36:18.949
that's the second thing. You know, whether you're

01:36:18.949 --> 01:36:21.770
hungry enough or not. And then if you have these

01:36:21.770 --> 01:36:24.550
two things, then just go for it and keep at it.

01:36:25.119 --> 01:36:30.640
And don't just keep yourself in one, what do

01:36:30.640 --> 01:36:32.619
you call it? Stuck in one bubble. Yeah, right?

01:36:32.739 --> 01:36:34.800
You need to explore because let's just say, I

01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:37.859
mean, because music, music is not dead. It's

01:36:37.859 --> 01:36:40.840
alive. It's flexible. You can do this and you

01:36:40.840 --> 01:36:43.359
can do that. It's whether it makes or break,

01:36:43.380 --> 01:36:47.100
how you do it. I wouldn't say, I mean, even like

01:36:47.100 --> 01:36:49.720
the most famous composers or whatever, I'm sure

01:36:49.720 --> 01:36:53.039
that they, sure got Chuan Arum, Thieu Bo, like,

01:36:53.279 --> 01:36:55.680
some parts like they do this song like this song

01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:59.199
can make it right then of course then there's

01:36:59.199 --> 01:37:02.319
like then they still came up with like really

01:37:02.319 --> 01:37:06.880
good stuff yeah so y 'all just keep at it fall

01:37:06.880 --> 01:37:09.279
down get up again fall down get up again keep

01:37:09.279 --> 01:37:12.659
at it and explore everything like well as much

01:37:12.659 --> 01:37:15.199
as you can unless you don't like that thing then

01:37:15.199 --> 01:37:17.979
okay then don't explore it don't waste your time

01:37:17.979 --> 01:37:21.279
on you like it just go for it Okay. Thank you

01:37:21.279 --> 01:37:23.420
so very much for being with us, man. Thank you

01:37:23.420 --> 01:37:26.119
for having me. It's really been fun for me. And

01:37:26.119 --> 01:37:28.100
I really didn't have to do that much work because

01:37:28.100 --> 01:37:30.560
you're so fun. Because I'm like nonstop talking

01:37:30.560 --> 01:37:33.920
to ADHD. And of course, it caught me in a very

01:37:33.920 --> 01:37:38.119
glamorous state. Nah, it's fine, man. I mean,

01:37:38.159 --> 01:37:41.220
this show is all about us being who we are. No

01:37:41.220 --> 01:37:45.079
need for any fucking pretentiousness. Yeah. Anyway,

01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:49.739
okay, people. Don't stick around. You can switch

01:37:49.739 --> 01:37:54.020
to my camera. Thank you very much. Okay, everybody.

01:37:55.449 --> 01:37:58.069
Stick around. Don't go away yet. Don't close

01:37:58.069 --> 01:38:01.350
this episode at this time because right after

01:38:01.350 --> 01:38:04.289
I say goodbye, there's a small excerpt that Kai,

01:38:04.510 --> 01:38:06.229
as a matter of fact, during the concert that

01:38:06.229 --> 01:38:09.029
we just were very much involved in, the Don't

01:38:09.029 --> 01:38:12.109
Write Us Off concert. And we have an excerpt

01:38:12.109 --> 01:38:15.369
of Sky performing Whitney Houston's I Have Nothing.

01:38:15.550 --> 01:38:19.029
And again with me in studio, Sky Serena. This

01:38:19.029 --> 01:38:22.229
is a siren for the ages, man. And our tribute

01:38:22.229 --> 01:38:25.930
to her. This is Chris Hansen. I'll see you again

01:38:25.930 --> 01:38:28.529
very soon. See you next Friday. Same time, same

01:38:28.529 --> 01:38:31.289
place. Stay safe. Bye -bye. Ladies and gentlemen,

01:38:31.369 --> 01:38:34.050
we've over three decades of performances that's

01:38:34.050 --> 01:38:37.329
captivating. She's not just a performer. She's

01:38:37.329 --> 01:38:40.670
a celebrated recording artist. And at the same

01:38:40.670 --> 01:38:44.010
time, she was known as a Zoe Tales in James'

01:38:44.149 --> 01:38:49.550
conversation. Fluent in multiple languages, she

01:38:49.550 --> 01:38:54.329
effortlessly commands the stage. Please welcome,

01:38:54.750 --> 01:39:38.720
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