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If I had a policy suggestion for the Ministry

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of Education, I would say cut the JC spaces in

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half. Push everyone to poly. Why? Because I think

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being a product of the A -level system, junior

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college is not useful to you at all. Unless you

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want to be a doctor or a lawyer, not even engineer,

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doctor or lawyer. Did you hear that? Yeah, what

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was that? It sounded like some whooshing. Yeah,

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some whoosh, right? Oh, wait. Again. Remember

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who's supposed to be coming today? It's gonna

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be you, no? Once he was just an ordinary boy.

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Now he is defender of the universe. Look, there

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he goes now. Off to save the universe yet again.

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As well as your careers. Faster than a speeding

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resume. A hero to the man on the street. And

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getting you back on your feet. He is Captain

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Careers. Adrian Chu. Hooray! And for the new

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season, season five, I've got with me the man.

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The superhero that we've heard early on. We heard

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his whoosh, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh. I told Kai,

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he's here already, man. He's already here. Captain

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Career, it's Adrian Chu. Our career strategist

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from Career Agility International. Welcome back,

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bro. Always so happy to be here. Just hearing

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your laughter, it makes my day. It's so fun.

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I wish some people would treat you that way.

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You should trademark that laughter. Gosh, really?

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Really? I mean, I'll tell you something. I'll

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tell you how funny life is, man. I'm so happy

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you said that because I was feeling so demoralized

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somewhere last week. You know, I do something

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for church, okay? Every week for the last almost

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two years, every week without fail, there's this

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thing we call a weekly bulletin. You know, announcements

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and stuff. And I mooted the idea to the church

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at that time that, look, man, I mean, you know,

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there are people who are blind that attend church,

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right? There are people who are too busy to even

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read. They're just on the street. Maybe they're

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private hire drivers. And then, you know, I mean,

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Do they pick up the bulletin? Do they read it?

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Or can they read it? How about those who are

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dyslexic, for example? So, okay. So why don't

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I do this? Why don't I just read, you know, the

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bulletin every week? Right. And I read the bulletin

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every week, record it. We put it up into the,

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into the website and people can listen. Yeah.

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Yeah. So we also allow for a link for feedback.

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Now, I never bothered about the feedback, never

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bothered to check till just last week. I wanted

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to quit, man. Damn it. Oh no. Oh man, the Pharisees.

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You're going to get excommunicated soon. Well,

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you know, but this, I mean, I'm still doing it,

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but you know, I told him to get rid of the feedback

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link because it can't be bothered anymore. You

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know, when you read announcements, right? You

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got to make sure that people know details. Yeah.

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I mean, the finite details. Unless, of course,

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they're crazy links with all kinds of small letters

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and big letters and small letters and big letters.

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I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to ask

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you to refer to the article. But people are saying

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it's too long. Are you kidding me? That's a problem

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with everyone nowadays. They don't read. Yeah,

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no, just that. They're saying that it's too long.

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The whole thing that I read, you know, it's just

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too long. How can they, if I don't read them,

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I'm going to get some other complaints. Damn

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if you do. Damn if you don't. It's too short.

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Yeah, you're not giving me details. Then the

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other, then there'll be people who say it's too

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long, which I've had that already. Then another

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one says this. It's not a joking matter. Dude,

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this is not, this is just announcements. And

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I'm not joking anyway. I'm just sounding happy.

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yeah so i can't sound happy i'm gonna sound really

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sad like i'm in pain what do you want you know

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i i i just don't get it you know i mean i'm doing

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this for free you know that's for free and therein

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lies the problem okay you can't please everybody

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all the time i know right I know. It's the same.

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I'm just, I'm just winging and whining. I'm just

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whining, man. I'm just, I'm just being a bitch

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about this. Yeah. Yeah. Because, because it's

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like, you think it's so easy to do stuff like

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this. It's not easy, man. And it takes time.

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It takes effort. I'm still going to continue

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doing it and not give a fuck about what anyone

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says anymore. Yeah. I really don't. I mean, so,

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such as, you know, so many people do thankless

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things, huh? Yes. Thankless things, huh? Yes.

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Yeah. Which is why I'm telling you this story

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because, Because you are the guy that's, you

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know, an expert on careers, right? What people

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ought to do or ought not to do in advancing their

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careers. You know, and that's why I just wanted

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to bitch about this. Someone else will be a bitch

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too about this. You know, but welcome back to

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the show, man. Always happy to be here. You know,

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talking about doing thankless things. Yeah, it's

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a lot of times at the workplace, a lot of things

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to do, you know. And a lot of times when things

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go right, no one thanks you. But when things

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go wrong, suddenly it's, oh, it's all your fault.

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Yeah, but when things go right, when things go

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right, they up your KPI because you're doing

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it so well. And then, you know, in the end, you

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get no life. That's very true. That's very true.

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So that's why I always espouse the life of mediocrity

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and... No, I'm just kidding. Always do your best.

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Stay away from my son. I always believe you should

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put in your best foot forward. Hey, speaking

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of sons, brother, well done, man. Congratulations,

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your boy. It's quite something, huh? Oh, yeah,

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yeah. I just saw your post. Yeah, he's had a

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good run. He's in first year in US law. Yeah,

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yeah. He did pretty well for the last mood competition.

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Yeah, the mood competition. He won it, right?

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He won it and he got best. Funny, you know, he

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got best oralist. What? Yes. Can you come up

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with something better than that? I was thinking,

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these are brilliant linguists, cunning linguists.

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Why do they have to come up with the word oralist?

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It's like, no, we don't want orator or best speaker.

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Best oralist. I was like, what? Okay. Oralist.

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Best oralist. I said, what? I mean, is that written

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on his... That's oralist. I mean, I wouldn't

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put it up. It looks like he's got a brilliant

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career coming up for you, man. He's insanely

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crazy about law. So he just... That's why he

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loves it. He doesn't stop talking about it. That's

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cool, man. He's doing very well there. That's

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cool, man. It's crazy. I mean, it helps that...

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And I'm going to take credit for this. It helps

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to have a dad who's a career coach. Who spotted

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the talent when he was young. I'm not shy. Age

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-old question, man. Age -old question. Be my

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own boss or find a job? Which is going to be

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the, what we're going to be really working on

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today for this episode, for this season, right?

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Yeah, this is the super episode, you know, because

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it's... I love my job series. I mean, I always

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make sure that you are here because you are the

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guy behind, I mean, who is the expert in these

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matters, right? I'm still going to have another

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one or two, I think one more episode. One more

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episode of someone who's also got quite a unique

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job that he's working. So I'm going to have that

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guy on. But you're not going to be the finale

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episode for our only job because we changed the

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sequence of how we've done things before for

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this season. So anyone that comes in, whatever

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we've shot already, will come up in that queue.

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Okay, so what do you think? Be my own boss or

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find a job? Is it relevant today? I think everyone

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should be their own boss somehow or other. But

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if you're talking about, if you're early on in

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your career, I think you should work for someone.

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Because you need to have the experience, the

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understanding of how a business runs. And I think

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that helps a lot with regards to being a successful

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entrepreneur. The first business I ran, and I

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told you before, was a skeleton business which

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I was running. Bones. Bones. I was selling bones

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to McDonald's when I was 20. Forgot about that,

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your middle name Bones. My middle name's Bones.

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So when I did that, you know, I learned a lot

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of things, but only when I had my first job in

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Shell and then into GE Plastics, I really realized

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how to scale the business. And a lot of systems

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and processes. Right. So that's why today, for

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Career Agility, I started this business in 2018.

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And that's only after many years of corporate

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experience. That makes me able to run the business

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better. Yeah, but bro, you know, that was ages

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ago, man. Today's context. I mean, I just saw

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this. somewhere. I didn't want to put it up.

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I don't want to put it up because I don't want

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to get us both in trouble. Let me give you a

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little, just give some context to it. Like, mommy

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and daddy told me, you know, go and study hard,

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go to university, get a degree, come out, and

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then you're going to get a job. But mommy and

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daddy, a good job. Mommy and daddy didn't tell

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me that, you know, besides me, you know, getting

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that good job, it'd be someone, some other people

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from some other parts of the world that's probably,

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you know, been sponsored to study. don't get

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me started on that. Yeah. And then, you know,

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guarantee the job, you know, and then I'll be

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competing in these guys, right? Nowadays, I mean,

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is it true? I mean, you got to tell me, man.

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I don't know. I mean, reports are reports, right?

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Graduates, when they, I mean, these guys, when

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they graduate, can they still find jobs? And

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that's a very interesting phenomenon because

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last month or two months ago, there was a report

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that an increasing number of fresh graduates

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are finding it tough to get jobs. Still? Still.

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But is that what's officially reported or? It's

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being officially reported. Okay. What's the source?

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I'm sorry. Not that I don't trust you. Albeit,

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it's still a high number. It's about 93 % do

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land jobs within six months. Okay. But there's

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a 69 % -ish that don't. Okay. And it's not so

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much a quantum, but they are seeing an increasing

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number, a trend, of fresh graduates not being

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able to land jobs. And the question is why? Yeah.

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Why? And I've got some rather unpopular ideas

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about why it's not. I think, number one, the

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question is, are we training our graduates right?

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In the courses that are, this is what the market

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wants. So for instance, I was talking to this

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individual, okay, a fresh graduate, graduated

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early last year. He was in an interesting course,

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which is in information systems. Okay. What does

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information systems sound like to you? I have

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no freaking clue. Sounds like computer stuff.

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I thought, I would think so. Yeah, I would think

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so, right? But it's not hardcore computer technology

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stuff. Right. It's how to manage the business

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information. It's like a business course with

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some IT thrown in. So you're neither, you're

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neither a business. Not a pure business grad.

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Right. Neither are you a pure coding IT guy.

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Right. So he's in between. He's like data gathering

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for business? Among other things. Right. So when

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he goes for interviews, he goes to interview

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with the technology firms. Right. The Apples,

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the Googles, the Metas, and everyone look at

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him and say, yeah, but can you code? No. He goes

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to all the business, the banks and everything,

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says, yeah, but do you know your business? Do

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you know finance? Yeah. No. Then what can you

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do? So it's a worthless course. I hate to say

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it is. It is what? It is. I mean, you get, you're

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neither here nor there. You're half fucked. Well

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put. Hey, can you stop being such a prude, man?

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Stop that fucking thing, man. You see, I mean,

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half fucked. Yeah, yeah. I would say three quarter

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actually. Okay, well done. Not even medium rice,

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well done. Okay. So, it's generally here and

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there. Now, I'm not saying everybody who takes

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that course can't get a job. Of course, if you're

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graduating in the top half, but the question

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is, are you being trained in the skills that

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the market wants? Okay. And in this case, I don't

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think so. Right. So, then the question is, why

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are you doing that? Okay. So, once again, and

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I ask this individual, why do you take it? It

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sounded fun. I kind of liked computers. I kind

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of liked business. I couldn't decide which one,

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so I chose the halfway road. Interesting. When

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he said, I found it fun, it must have been back

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then when he was deciding what course to take,

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right? Yes. And how old was he when he had to

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make that choice? Just finished army. What would

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he know? You're young and stupid like I was.

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We all were. We all were, right? Yeah. No, just

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old and stupid. Yeah, correct. Yeah, but everyone,

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the good news is that everyone was at least young

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and stupid once. Once, yes. Some people continue

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being stupid like you and me, but never mind.

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The point is that this guy, just taking this

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example, interesting, I find it interesting.

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When you just, when you're about, you know, 16

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years old and you're taking your O -levels, you

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want to decide, am I going to go to JC or am

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I going to go to Polytechnic? Yes. And then making

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a decision of what I like at that age is already

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so tough. And then, look, two, three years after

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the fact, right, you leave secondary school,

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you go into either JC or Polytechnic. Yeah. And

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then you land up in the army of your guy. Yeah.

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The girls, I think it's a little tougher on them.

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But for the guys, because you have that two -year

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hiatus. The girls continue on. They're still

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in that mode. You know what I mean? They're still

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in that mode. They haven't stopped. You're in

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that swing. The follow -through is still there.

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The momentum is there and you're still in the

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system. The guys get out, they go into NS, and

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I'm an advocate for national service. Don't get

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me the wrong way because of what I'm saying.

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So they go in for two years. When they come out,

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it's a little rust that's gathered in you, in

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your entire system, right? We both know that.

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A lot of rust. Yeah. You have to make a decision

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again. And you're already from one mode, you

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went into the military mode, you came out in

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the military mode, and you're going to go back

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to the old mode you were in. And even then, you're

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still kind of young. Yeah. To know better. And

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you make a decision on, I think this sounds like

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fun. I mean, it's a little bit challenging. The

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logic isn't there. Yeah, the logic isn't there.

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So I would say, in fact, that if I had a policy

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suggestion for the Ministry of Education, I would

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say, cut the JC spaces in half. Push everyone

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to poly. Why? Because I think being a... product

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of the A -level system, junior college is not

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useful to you at all. Unless you want to be a

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doctor or a lawyer, not even engineer, doctor

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or lawyer. Because in what good earth can you

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find any practical use for learning second order

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differential equations and calculus? What? Okay.

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Exactly. Nobody gives a shit. Nobody gives a

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damn. I'm looking at it and I'm like, so it's

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no point. And if you study, and if you want,

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okay, for instance, my daughter she's 17 okay

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she just finished all levels she wanted to she

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she wanted to do the uh humanities program in

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junior college right okay and i told her why

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yeah why she said oh because i want to do hr

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like you that right that's it you do not need

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a level to do hr yeah i said you you get a degree

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But whatever you learn in junior college does

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not help you in the single smallest area. Not

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in the older, yeah, not in the older. At least

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at all, you know. And you, whereas if you popped

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over to polytechnic and get a diploma, and then

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you do well enough there, get into university,

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you'll be graduating with a degree and a diploma.

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As opposed to, no. And she said, yeah, but only

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the top 5%. of students can get into, can jump

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from the poly to uni. And I said, I hate to say

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it, but you know, A -level as well. Because only

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the top students, because to get into a good

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degree course in university, only the straight

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A students will get in or the AAB students. And

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that's not easy to get. That's harder to get

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actually. And if you come out with two A's, two

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O's, I don't know what it is today, but back

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in the day, two A's was a full A -level cert,

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right? the guy with the diploma is better off

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than you yeah correct and you when you get out

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there in the working world exactly you know uh

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which is why i mean there's that was the logic

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that that my son also had or has he's going through

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his old levels this year yeah right and uh he

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wants to go to poly yeah um he sort of sort of

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identified uh what he wants to do now and of

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course being parents that, you know, we do our

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best as parents to discover whether or not the

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choice he's making is the right kind of choice.

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And we went through a lot of, not just that one

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time, you know, over the course of months. Long

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conversations. Yeah, we had long conversations

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about making sure that this is truly what he

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wants. And we're kind of confident that it is,

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you know, because, and surprisingly so, just

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in case you don't know, because your kids are,

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okay, your daughter's past the O levels already.

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So maybe you're still within the system, but

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I am in the system right now where secondary

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schools are concerned. One thing I love about

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my son's school, which is my old school, is that

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they actually have career week. Oh, nice. And

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they invite all kinds of jobs and businesses

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to come in and people to exhibition booths. And

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these guys actually go around asking. You know,

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what is this about? What does one need to do,

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you know? And whether or not they will like it

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in the future. Not just these guys, including

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the various polytechnics also set up. And they

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tell them that these are the people that we've

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produced and what they've done so far in their

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lives and blah, blah, blah. And I think that's

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a very good move. I don't know about the other

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schools though. And it can help these guys. Make

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informed decisions. Because those are real world

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information. Exactly. And you can pluck them.

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I think it's marvelous. I think they all should

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do it. I know many schools do it, but how well

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they do it is probably another issue. Yeah. But

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the funny thing about it is that right now, a

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lot of my daughter's classmates, top students,

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they're bypassing the A -level system and they're

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going straight to poly. And so much so that the

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course which my daughter is getting into, it's

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tougher to get into that than into junior college.

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So the poly cutoff point is higher than junior

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college. It's tougher. People always seem to

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think that it's easier to get into poly. It's

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not true. Not anymore. You've got to pass the

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interview as well. Yeah. So what is interesting

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is that the government is starting to recognize

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that. Okay. And they are saying that, look, if

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you do a three -year polytechnic program, we

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can try and shave off modules of your university.

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Yeah. One year. So now this, instead of your

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standard two -year junior college, four -year

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uni, right? Yeah. It's a three years and three

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years. Yeah. But only for engineering. Yeah.

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So I asked, at the open house, I asked the dean

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of the business school at the polytechnic, saying,

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will you, will MOE consider doing that for all

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other classes? And he said, no. Right now they

00:20:07.950 --> 00:20:11.950
say no, like back in the day, a lot of people

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have said no to a lot of things too. And I said,

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I think I know why you know. Never say never,

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man. You know why he says no? Because the moment

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they do a three plus three, they're going to

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shut down the junior college. It's three quarters.

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No one's going to bother going to JC. Just going

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to go to poly. Because hey, poly, you've got

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learning the stuff that you like. You know, no

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stupid school rules. I agree with you. I don't

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see the need for having junior colleges. So that's

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why I think it should be axed. Yeah. Okay, not

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totally. Maybe for those who want to pursue the

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university, Harvard. It's getting irrelevant,

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you know. It is. It is. And that is why they

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need to. And frankly, bro, even if you go into

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a diploma course in a polytechnic and you don't

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make the grade to go into university, right?

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Yeah. You go to work. You save up money. Yes.

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Right? And then you can do a part -time degree

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on your own. Yes. and you can make a better,

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more informed choice because you've been out

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there working already and you know the direction

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you're going to go. And what you don't want to

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do. Correct. And there's no harm in getting your

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degree a little later and you're not going to

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be burdening your folks as well. You can actually

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do it on your own. Save your own money. I don't

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know whether they can use their own CPF as well,

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but now with SkillsFuture, why the hell not,

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right? You can have that. I mean, I'm pretty

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sure this is going to be an ongoing affair. And

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they can use that money and they can upgrade

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and they can go for degree courses on their own.

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I don't see that, oh, you got to finish it, come

00:21:41.470 --> 00:21:43.950
out for NS, you go into university, finish it

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and blah, blah, blah, get your degree. I mean,

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come on, bollocks. It doesn't have to happen

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that way. And that's why I say the education

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system today is archaic. based on a 1980s model,

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which doesn't hold up today in the real world.

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As far as careers are concerned, you know, I

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never had a, I never had a, I've never seen a

00:22:03.220 --> 00:22:05.720
successful person, okay, who ever complained

00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:09.880
that, that, you know, I was from the poly and

00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:12.140
everything. A lot of individuals I see, really

00:22:12.140 --> 00:22:16.559
good guys, you know, they explored, took gap

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years, played around. found something they wanted

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to do and then, you know, successful even though

00:22:21.329 --> 00:22:23.730
they don't have a degree. Right. So that's why

00:22:23.730 --> 00:22:27.470
I think it needs to be relooked at by people

00:22:27.470 --> 00:22:30.809
who are not in the system. Let's move this conversation

00:22:30.809 --> 00:22:33.829
a bit forward, bro. Yeah. Let's talk about, okay,

00:22:34.009 --> 00:22:36.109
these guys come out, you're saying that there's

00:22:36.109 --> 00:22:39.410
still a good six, seven to nine percent that

00:22:39.410 --> 00:22:42.549
can't find jobs. Right. So, okay. These are the

00:22:42.549 --> 00:22:44.890
people that have, you know, gone there. You give,

00:22:44.890 --> 00:22:47.710
we give a one fine example. This guy has got

00:22:47.710 --> 00:22:52.049
this three quarter big. IS. Yeah. Yeah. Information

00:22:52.049 --> 00:22:56.089
systems. Yeah. You know, what other issues have,

00:22:56.150 --> 00:22:59.130
do you think played a part? I was playing a part

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in some of these fresh grads not being able to

00:23:01.450 --> 00:23:07.119
find work. And I, and I love Gen Zers, but. A

00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:09.240
lot of Gen Zers I speak to, they tell me they

00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:10.799
are being very choosy about the jobs they want

00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:16.180
because it does not fit my purpose in life. This

00:23:16.180 --> 00:23:20.599
job sounds like it's got no work -life balance.

00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:23.720
And I spoke to this lady, this young lady, and

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I scolded her. I said, I don't want to sound

00:23:26.500 --> 00:23:29.440
like an uncle, but in the first five years of

00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:32.039
life, forget about work -life balance. Can you

00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:34.359
learn as much as you can work -life balance?

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You don't have kids. Do you not have anything

00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:42.839
yet? Okay, breathe, breathe, inhale. I just don't

00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:45.579
understand that. It doesn't serve my purpose.

00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:47.240
It doesn't serve my purpose in life. Okay, so

00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.359
you're saying that these people, when they're

00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:53.680
in bed and then they have a vision, you know,

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and such a divine vision that you have been chosen

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to be this and that, is it? Please, lah. So I

00:24:00.619 --> 00:24:03.460
have an answer to that now. So I told her, she

00:24:03.460 --> 00:24:05.920
said, the job, I was offered two jobs, but no,

00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:08.359
it did not fit my purpose in life. So I said,

00:24:08.500 --> 00:24:10.700
okay, imagine the job was offered to you. If

00:24:10.700 --> 00:24:12.000
you're offered you double the pay, will you take

00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.279
it? Yes. Please know about the purpose. Yeah,

00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:18.500
don't sound like such a, don't sound like such

00:24:18.500 --> 00:24:21.799
a freaking, like very sanctimonious. So, sanctimonious.

00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:25.099
Yeah, thank you. That's the word I'm looking

00:24:25.099 --> 00:24:27.440
for, man. I don't want to be freaking sanctimonious,

00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:29.920
man. You have to be real and get real. And that's

00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:33.160
why, you know, for my advice to the young Gen

00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:36.759
Z listeners out there is get experience. Get

00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:40.599
a grip. Get a grip. You know, when my boy was

00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:43.180
young in primary school, I used to joke with

00:24:43.180 --> 00:24:45.119
him. I'd say, you know, we used to talk about

00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.660
careers. He said, Dad. you know, what do you

00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:50.279
think I should do when I grow up and everything?

00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:52.200
Then I said, you know, okay, whatever it is,

00:24:52.259 --> 00:24:54.339
I hope the first boss you get is the meanest,

00:24:54.380 --> 00:24:56.180
the worst, the toughest boss you're ever going

00:24:56.180 --> 00:24:58.220
to get. He said, why are you dead? You're so

00:24:58.220 --> 00:25:00.720
mean to me, you know? I said, no, trust me. I

00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:02.799
had the worst boss. If your first boss is the

00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:05.299
worst, after that, everything else is a joy.

00:25:06.019 --> 00:25:11.980
Everything else is a joy. So ultimately, I think

00:25:11.980 --> 00:25:14.519
the formative years, that's why I said, Unless

00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:17.380
you have a fantastic business idea. Yeah. Okay.

00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:19.559
That you, that cannot be delayed. Yeah. Then

00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.119
you, like what Mark Zuckerberg and all those

00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:25.299
other guys did. Quit school even. Quit uni. Yeah.

00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:27.960
You do it, you know. Right. But if you don't

00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:32.039
have, if it's not that urgent, you know, go through

00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:35.539
the, the, the rudiments. Rudiments. The rigmarole

00:25:35.539 --> 00:25:37.940
of having the nine to five job. Right. Learn

00:25:37.940 --> 00:25:39.380
everything, you know, learn all about hardship.

00:25:39.700 --> 00:25:41.839
And then when the good business idea comes along,

00:25:42.309 --> 00:25:44.769
So to answer your question, which is a very long

00:25:44.769 --> 00:25:48.410
way around, own boss or work for people? Yeah.

00:25:48.630 --> 00:25:51.509
Be your own boss only when you're sure of what

00:25:51.509 --> 00:25:54.170
you want to do. Because otherwise, like what

00:25:54.170 --> 00:25:57.029
Mark Cuban of Shark Tank, he says, he says there

00:25:57.029 --> 00:25:59.130
are entrepreneurs, those people who brilliantly

00:25:59.130 --> 00:26:00.849
come up with an idea and they put all in and

00:26:00.849 --> 00:26:03.309
they be successful, right? And there are one

00:26:03.309 --> 00:26:05.750
-trepreneurs. A one -trepreneur is someone who

00:26:05.750 --> 00:26:07.880
wants to be an entrepreneur. So he sits around,

00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:09.160
he creates his job and he says, okay, what can

00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:11.380
I sell? What can I start? If those entrepreneurs

00:26:11.380 --> 00:26:14.299
are finding it more difficult because they're

00:26:14.299 --> 00:26:16.559
not starting their business from a core business

00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:20.359
idea. So I would always say, strive towards getting

00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:23.819
to the level where you are your own boss. Right.

00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:28.319
But before that, learn as much as you can, earn

00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:30.500
as much as you can so that you're ready when

00:26:30.500 --> 00:26:33.759
the idea comes along. Okay. But how about those

00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:38.829
who really still can't find work? then you need

00:26:38.829 --> 00:26:41.849
to find out what's the reason. Sometimes like

00:26:41.849 --> 00:26:46.910
that young guy, you're not rightly skilled. Sometimes

00:26:46.910 --> 00:26:53.230
your skill sets are gone. In 2017, I met this

00:26:53.230 --> 00:26:57.049
guy, you know. He was working in the Yellow Pages.

00:26:58.549 --> 00:27:01.430
My gosh. Who the hell uses Yellow Pages? In the

00:27:01.430 --> 00:27:03.930
end of 2017, he was showing me the product he

00:27:03.930 --> 00:27:06.859
was pushing, CD -ROMs. Oh gosh. Do you remember

00:27:06.859 --> 00:27:09.099
the old days? Yeah, I do. I do. I remember that.

00:27:09.220 --> 00:27:11.319
I think your guys are still pushing that. Okay.

00:27:11.859 --> 00:27:14.259
Likewise today, I still see people talking about,

00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:16.279
oh, I'm still in the magazine business. Yeah.

00:27:17.140 --> 00:27:19.660
Seriously, you know, are you in the magazine?

00:27:19.779 --> 00:27:25.349
What? Hello. So there are things that are almost

00:27:25.349 --> 00:27:28.109
going already. Yeah. Okay. Print publishing is

00:27:28.109 --> 00:27:32.289
one. That's it. Magazines. They're not going.

00:27:32.349 --> 00:27:35.049
They're just adapting and they've gone to E.

00:27:35.230 --> 00:27:37.269
It's tough. It's still tough to monetize now

00:27:37.269 --> 00:27:40.349
like the old days. Yeah. Like TV. Yeah. You know,

00:27:40.369 --> 00:27:42.910
I don't remember when I last saw, when was the

00:27:42.910 --> 00:27:45.809
last time you saw Free to Ash TV programs? Channel

00:27:45.809 --> 00:27:47.529
News Asia. That's it. Okay. Besides the news,

00:27:47.609 --> 00:27:50.500
right? No. Nothing else. Yeah. And even, Even

00:27:50.500 --> 00:27:53.099
things like, okay, breaking news, like the earthquake.

00:27:53.420 --> 00:27:56.240
Yeah. I got it on my phone first. Yeah, yeah.

00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:59.059
I wasn't going to wait till 8pm or 9pm. Yeah,

00:27:59.059 --> 00:28:02.799
yeah. So the format has changed. Right. And if

00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:05.579
you're in one of those industries that's obviously

00:28:05.579 --> 00:28:08.180
the writing's on the wall. Yeah. I think it's

00:28:08.180 --> 00:28:09.720
time to move on. Basically, the writing says

00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:13.430
you are fucked. Yeah. It's pirated. It's like,

00:28:13.509 --> 00:28:16.869
and sometimes they are dead men walking. Yeah.

00:28:16.970 --> 00:28:18.509
They're in the business already. They're already

00:28:18.509 --> 00:28:20.849
on death row. Yeah, correct. Your life's a pot.

00:28:20.910 --> 00:28:23.029
So for instance, if you're working in a bank,

00:28:23.069 --> 00:28:26.309
right? And if you're still at the branch, if

00:28:26.309 --> 00:28:29.089
you're a branch manager, you must start asking

00:28:29.089 --> 00:28:31.390
yourself, why is it that the big banks like Citibank,

00:28:31.490 --> 00:28:33.789
they've basically shut off all their branches.

00:28:34.329 --> 00:28:38.089
They've closed all their branches. Right. Why?

00:28:38.190 --> 00:28:40.230
Because nobody wants to go to the branch. I went

00:28:40.230 --> 00:28:42.349
to the branch last month. Okay, because I needed

00:28:42.349 --> 00:28:43.730
to open an account. You had to make an appointment.

00:28:44.170 --> 00:28:45.890
You're right. You gotta make an appointment.

00:28:46.029 --> 00:28:48.690
Yeah. And I went in with my hat. Yeah. They told

00:28:48.690 --> 00:28:50.470
me to take my hat off. Yep, yep. For security

00:28:50.470 --> 00:28:52.529
reasons. That's true lah. For what? This has

00:28:52.529 --> 00:28:54.210
been going on for a while lah. And then, and

00:28:54.210 --> 00:28:56.369
then I was wearing my, my glasses, the photochromatic

00:28:56.369 --> 00:28:58.190
ones. Yeah. No sun shades at all. Yeah, yeah.

00:28:58.450 --> 00:29:00.829
And I feel like, this is why I do my banking

00:29:00.829 --> 00:29:03.450
online. I can do whatever I want. You feel like

00:29:03.450 --> 00:29:05.150
shit, right? Yeah, you just get treated like

00:29:05.150 --> 00:29:07.349
that and it's like, okay, maybe it's good to

00:29:07.349 --> 00:29:09.509
be polite about it. But there's so many things

00:29:09.509 --> 00:29:12.289
that, so if you're in a business model, in a

00:29:12.289 --> 00:29:16.210
business where you see that it's shrinking, so

00:29:16.210 --> 00:29:20.630
to your question, you know, if you're not, if

00:29:20.630 --> 00:29:23.390
you are not able to look for a job or land a

00:29:23.390 --> 00:29:25.829
job. Right. Is it because your skill set, skill

00:29:25.829 --> 00:29:28.970
sets are outdated? Is it because your industry

00:29:28.970 --> 00:29:31.730
is dying? So much so that it's, so you see, it's

00:29:31.730 --> 00:29:34.349
a matter of supply and demand. Yeah. It's the

00:29:34.349 --> 00:29:36.250
skills that you're, are the skills you're supplying

00:29:36.250 --> 00:29:40.089
not in demand anymore. Right. Okay. Outdated.

00:29:40.650 --> 00:29:43.490
Correct, not outdated. Or are the skills you're

00:29:43.490 --> 00:29:46.730
supplying in a contract to the deal, to the work,

00:29:46.890 --> 00:29:50.009
can it be done cheaper elsewhere? Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:50.029 --> 00:29:51.710
So that's another factor, right? Yeah. Or can

00:29:51.710 --> 00:29:54.109
the skills that I'm bringing to the table, can

00:29:54.109 --> 00:29:57.789
AI do it? Yeah. So that's one issue. The other

00:29:57.789 --> 00:29:59.650
one is the demand, you know, is there even a

00:29:59.650 --> 00:30:02.309
demand for what I'm doing? Yeah. I can be a fantastic,

00:30:02.470 --> 00:30:11.039
I can be a fantastic pager repairman. No one

00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:13.960
uses pages anymore, right? Or some old technology.

00:30:14.059 --> 00:30:17.000
So it's just gone. Oh, I repair blackberries.

00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:25.740
So it's crazy, okay, that you're in a space where

00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:27.440
there's no more demand for your skills. Right.

00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:31.519
It's sad, actually. It's unfortunate that because

00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.930
of AI now, both the supply and the demand have

00:30:34.930 --> 00:30:37.450
been shut off. Yeah. The supply, what you can

00:30:37.450 --> 00:30:40.630
do, AI can do better. Yeah. Right? And that's

00:30:40.630 --> 00:30:43.809
the thing, you see, that's why, you see, when

00:30:43.809 --> 00:30:46.130
you take a look at socials, on my socials anyway,

00:30:46.329 --> 00:30:48.329
right? Because in my socials, doing the stuff

00:30:48.329 --> 00:30:50.910
that I do, the algorithm will churn out stuff

00:30:50.910 --> 00:30:53.609
that I'm interested in doing. Well, something

00:30:53.609 --> 00:30:56.289
that's of interest to me, but I'm actually very

00:30:56.289 --> 00:30:59.150
disinterested in this, is that I keep seeing

00:30:59.150 --> 00:31:02.269
this stupid ad that comes up that says, You know,

00:31:02.349 --> 00:31:09.109
it's an animation with a no, you know. No, yeah.

00:31:09.190 --> 00:31:12.329
No, you know. What's the word for it? It's like

00:31:12.329 --> 00:31:16.569
a no trespass. Yes, correct. It says, say no

00:31:16.569 --> 00:31:21.279
to voiceovers. What? Yeah, yeah. It's because

00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:24.740
of the stuff. And they've got AI. Oh, yes. They

00:31:24.740 --> 00:31:28.019
offer you AI. I've always said on this show many

00:31:28.019 --> 00:31:30.680
times before, it still has got to get somewhere

00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:34.160
because there's no nuance. There's nothing. You

00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:37.660
can never get that. But people, the cheap Charlies

00:31:37.660 --> 00:31:40.180
that people are today, they still go for that

00:31:40.180 --> 00:31:42.799
shit. It's good enough for them. And that's why.

00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:46.339
AI, man. So talking about AI, the big question

00:31:46.339 --> 00:31:49.559
is this. A lot of people are asking. AI cannot

00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:51.819
steal my job because what I'm doing is so good.

00:31:51.859 --> 00:31:55.000
I'm so strategic. AI cannot replace me, right?

00:31:55.539 --> 00:31:58.160
To them, I tell them and say, look, in that case,

00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:00.599
how many percent of your job can AI take over?

00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:02.519
I'm sure it can take over a little piece of your

00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:07.599
table. 20%. Okay, say the person says 20%. I

00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.180
say, how big is your team size? Oh, your team

00:32:10.180 --> 00:32:13.240
size of 10. That means technically your company

00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.710
can fire two people. Yeah. I put AI in to do

00:32:16.710 --> 00:32:19.569
that piece and you guys move up the ladder. So

00:32:19.569 --> 00:32:22.529
AI cannot steal your job per se. AI can still

00:32:22.529 --> 00:32:27.990
steal your job per se. So that's why, like what

00:32:27.990 --> 00:32:29.349
you said, the cheapo Charlie's will go for it.

00:32:29.410 --> 00:32:31.650
Because as far as the business is concerned,

00:32:31.890 --> 00:32:37.390
it's cost -cutting for them. Yeah. To hire an

00:32:37.390 --> 00:32:42.200
AI company. Okay. I will not mention names, but

00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.140
we know the Big G is one of them. Do you know

00:32:45.140 --> 00:32:47.059
what I'm saying? Yes, of course. The Big G, as

00:32:47.059 --> 00:32:52.599
in the online company, the Big G. And the problem

00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:56.400
is that it actually does cut on one of the pitches,

00:32:56.599 --> 00:33:00.259
and I know that for a fact, from these companies,

00:33:00.299 --> 00:33:03.940
not necessarily the Big G, would say that, look,

00:33:03.980 --> 00:33:06.859
man, I mean, you cut back on your HR. Yeah. And

00:33:06.859 --> 00:33:08.759
there's cost savings for your company. Yeah.

00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:13.319
I think, holy crap, dude, you know? And look,

00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:15.299
when I hear the wonders of what these things

00:33:15.299 --> 00:33:19.799
can do and I go, wow, really? Really? Yeah. Really,

00:33:20.140 --> 00:33:23.220
right? And from diagnosing, let's say an engineering

00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:27.700
problem, from diagnosing a problem accurately

00:33:27.700 --> 00:33:32.759
and then telling you specifically what went wrong

00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:38.160
and then nailing it down to necessary parts only.

00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:41.869
Yeah. to be replaced and then placing the fucking

00:33:41.869 --> 00:33:44.910
order for you and tracking the freaking delivery

00:33:44.910 --> 00:33:48.769
for you, you know, until it arrives. And I tell

00:33:48.769 --> 00:33:52.170
you, I mean, so there's this person that places

00:33:52.170 --> 00:33:54.250
the orders, the admin clerk and all that kind

00:33:54.250 --> 00:33:56.509
of stuff. Then you have the guy that comes before

00:33:56.509 --> 00:33:58.670
that person that goes and diagnose this issue,

00:33:58.750 --> 00:34:01.460
blah, blah, blah. He's going to lose his. These

00:34:01.460 --> 00:34:03.519
people are going to lose their jobs. Unfortunately.

00:34:03.859 --> 00:34:07.839
Yeah. And for those, don't get me the wrong way.

00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.960
I embrace AI. As a matter of fact, I use AI quite

00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.340
a lot for this show. Yeah. I do. I mean, come

00:34:14.340 --> 00:34:16.500
on, man. It leaves a lot of burden on me. It's

00:34:16.500 --> 00:34:19.619
because I'm the end user and I'm enjoying it.

00:34:19.739 --> 00:34:24.530
Yeah. But there will be people. I give you another

00:34:24.530 --> 00:34:26.969
idea, okay? You know how we take pride, Kai and

00:34:26.969 --> 00:34:29.730
I? Yes. After each episode, we will actually

00:34:29.730 --> 00:34:31.590
go through the trouble of doing a mix downs and

00:34:31.590 --> 00:34:35.050
all audio because a lot of podcasts don't do

00:34:35.050 --> 00:34:38.269
that. Now, we've just since discovered, right,

00:34:38.329 --> 00:34:42.670
Kai? Yeah. The nifty way, super quick, fast way.

00:34:42.889 --> 00:34:45.510
Oh, wow. But there is one small little detail

00:34:45.510 --> 00:34:48.750
that personally I don't really like. But it's

00:34:48.750 --> 00:34:53.630
too minor for me to ignore. To ignore this whole

00:34:53.630 --> 00:34:57.570
process. I still should do it. And for this season,

00:34:57.610 --> 00:35:00.289
we've already done it. We just started like two

00:35:00.289 --> 00:35:03.789
episodes ago. And yours today will be done the

00:35:03.789 --> 00:35:08.070
same way. We have found a simplified way of taking

00:35:08.070 --> 00:35:14.389
an MP3 file, throwing it into this thing that

00:35:14.389 --> 00:35:19.199
will enhance your audio by AI. And we can just

00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.739
adjust two sliders. One slider that says clarity

00:35:22.739 --> 00:35:25.039
of speech. The other one, background noise go

00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:29.739
down. Oh, wow. And it mixes down to the T. Wow.

00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.099
Perfect. Better than a human, right? Yeah. It's

00:35:33.099 --> 00:35:38.619
perfection. Yeah. And really, man, I mean, I

00:35:38.619 --> 00:35:40.519
can have someone, which we did. That's why we

00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:43.320
explored this two episodes ago, sitting way far

00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:46.050
back. away from where you are away from the mic

00:35:46.050 --> 00:35:48.650
with with the leave hands on the levers uh no

00:35:48.650 --> 00:35:51.730
and we were just leaving things alone okay we

00:35:51.730 --> 00:35:55.829
couldn't really pick him up oh oh when we dumped

00:35:55.829 --> 00:35:58.230
it into the thumb the whole file into the ai

00:35:58.230 --> 00:36:02.489
mate it was clear as day oh wow okay and and

00:36:02.489 --> 00:36:07.599
i'm like who crap If I'm an audio engineer today,

00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:09.940
I'll be worried. I'm screwed. Yeah, I'll be worried.

00:36:09.980 --> 00:36:12.420
I am so screwed. To your point, exactly. Yeah.

00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:14.880
Exactly. You know, I've got someone who came

00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:18.659
to me and said, I won't mention names. He's quite

00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:25.360
famous. Chris, I want to write music. I said,

00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:29.780
okay. Do you have a musical background? No, zero.

00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:34.559
Okay. Zero, zero. Okay. And I said, okay. So

00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:38.219
how do you propose in doing that? Ah, I bought

00:36:38.219 --> 00:36:44.980
this AI. It is AI that can do this. Okay. Okay.

00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:48.900
But there's a problem. I say, what? I'm going

00:36:48.900 --> 00:36:51.440
to learn how to sing. Because I want to write,

00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.320
then I want to sing it. Okay. And then I want

00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:55.940
to record it. Then I want to put it up. Yeah.

00:36:56.019 --> 00:36:59.960
You know? I say, okay. but you can use AI for

00:36:59.960 --> 00:37:02.059
that. Yeah, exactly. Even if you can't freaking

00:37:02.059 --> 00:37:03.860
sing, you can still sound like Taylor Swift,

00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:08.039
though you're a guy. Yeah, exactly. And he's,

00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:10.460
but he was quite straight about this. No, no,

00:37:10.460 --> 00:37:12.880
this one, I want to do that. I want to learn

00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:16.909
it. So it's asking me to teach. Okay. Okay. I

00:37:16.909 --> 00:37:19.570
still think in some respect, right, people will

00:37:19.570 --> 00:37:23.170
still want to do things by themselves, to say

00:37:23.170 --> 00:37:25.289
to themselves, hey, you know what? I can do this.

00:37:25.289 --> 00:37:27.750
Yeah. I did that, you know, at least one aspect

00:37:27.750 --> 00:37:31.570
of it. But it is damn freaking scary. It is.

00:37:31.590 --> 00:37:34.130
That you can have someone who does not need to

00:37:34.130 --> 00:37:37.730
go on AGT and BGT. Yes. No, correct. Yeah. You

00:37:37.730 --> 00:37:39.440
know, it's like, it's like almost like. all you

00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:41.619
have to do is to do a mini -vanilla. Yeah. You

00:37:41.619 --> 00:37:43.639
stand up and just lip -sync and the music comes

00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:46.219
on and everything. But the AI now is so wonderful.

00:37:46.420 --> 00:37:49.820
It literally plays the background music. It generates

00:37:49.820 --> 00:37:52.800
a new tune for you and everything. It creates

00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.940
a new song. Yeah. And it's yours now. And I tried

00:37:55.940 --> 00:37:59.500
it now. Is it? I tried it now. I tried it. I

00:37:59.500 --> 00:38:02.800
basically had to brief the AI on what kind of

00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:05.599
genre first. Oh, okay. And keep it to simple

00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.219
four, five chord songs. Because we know that

00:38:07.219 --> 00:38:08.860
almost hits are four, five chords. Yes, correct.

00:38:09.179 --> 00:38:11.659
Right. And keep the tempo and, but in really

00:38:11.659 --> 00:38:14.599
everything. Yeah. How's it? Not too freaking

00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:17.340
bad. And then, you know, and I told him that,

00:38:17.380 --> 00:38:19.960
you know, make this song, the words are the words,

00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:24.199
huh? Lyrics. Compose the words, the song, along

00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:29.320
the lines of this kind of story. Freaking. And

00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.099
I did that not because I wanted to try something

00:38:32.099 --> 00:38:34.559
or wanted to really work on something. No, I

00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:38.389
wanted to see what he could do. And. It wasn't

00:38:38.389 --> 00:38:43.550
perfect. It wasn't that great, but it was a start,

00:38:43.690 --> 00:38:47.530
you know, and I'm pretty sure that if you pay

00:38:47.530 --> 00:38:51.869
for the actual full pro version, it's going to

00:38:51.869 --> 00:38:56.170
be wow. This was the demo. And the big question

00:38:56.170 --> 00:38:59.449
is, what then do you do if you're with your career,

00:38:59.590 --> 00:39:02.670
with your work that you do, if AI is creeping

00:39:02.670 --> 00:39:05.440
up quickly on you? Right. If you're a voiceover

00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.980
person and if, or if you're an audio person and

00:39:08.980 --> 00:39:11.480
suddenly the AI is coming in, you're going to

00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:13.320
steal your job. Yeah. What do you do? And my

00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:15.780
advice is you move up the chain, you learn how

00:39:15.780 --> 00:39:20.019
to use AI. Yeah. So quick example, in my career

00:39:20.019 --> 00:39:23.550
coaching practice. a lot chat GPT and everything.

00:39:23.650 --> 00:39:25.670
You can ask chat GPT career questions, but chat

00:39:25.670 --> 00:39:28.030
GPT may not give you the best answers because

00:39:28.030 --> 00:39:31.030
it's a generic thing. So what I did was my team

00:39:31.030 --> 00:39:35.010
and I, we built a, an AI career coach that can

00:39:35.010 --> 00:39:37.670
answer your most basic 25 % of your questions.

00:39:37.969 --> 00:39:42.610
Okay. So in other words, now, I'm leveraging

00:39:42.610 --> 00:39:46.110
technology. I'm kidding. I'm leveraging technology.

00:39:47.969 --> 00:39:52.840
So, so what happens is that, uh, Right now, whenever

00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:54.780
people have questions for me, I just push them

00:39:54.780 --> 00:39:57.179
to the AI first. Yeah. And if you can't do it,

00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:59.960
then come. So it's almost like a triage. Like

00:39:59.960 --> 00:40:01.659
a triage. You know, in a hospital, the nurse

00:40:01.659 --> 00:40:05.199
will see you. So that's one way of doing it.

00:40:05.219 --> 00:40:08.500
So if you have a job where AI is coming in, possibly,

00:40:08.739 --> 00:40:11.739
at least like what you do, learn, know the enemy.

00:40:12.059 --> 00:40:14.699
Yeah. Play with it. See what, can you implement

00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:16.599
it into your job? Oh, believe me, I play with

00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:21.780
mine. Sounds so wrong. Sounds so wrong. Hey,

00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:31.840
Adrian, I play with my AR, you know. Almost every

00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:39.559
day. He's got a name. It's called Gemini. She's

00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:44.119
kind of sweet. Gemini's a lady to you. Gemini's

00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:47.159
a guy to me. Gemini's a lady to me. Okay. I mean,

00:40:47.179 --> 00:40:50.679
I don't know. It's never spoken to me. I was

00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:53.820
talking to Gemini just now. And okay, to be fair.

00:40:54.059 --> 00:40:57.860
Okay. I use text. I don't know how you got the

00:40:57.860 --> 00:40:59.980
voice version though, but I use text and you

00:40:59.980 --> 00:41:02.019
know something, man, freaking thing knows me

00:41:02.019 --> 00:41:05.219
so well now. Yes. And everything I asked for,

00:41:05.260 --> 00:41:07.940
I don't need to ask some things anymore. It is

00:41:07.940 --> 00:41:10.599
automatically generated for me because it knows

00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:14.449
that I will ask it eventually. Yeah. So you train

00:41:14.449 --> 00:41:16.889
your AI. Is that training your dragon? Is that

00:41:16.889 --> 00:41:25.369
training your dragon? Man, I spent 55 years training

00:41:25.369 --> 00:41:31.309
my dragon. Now I'm going to train this Gemini.

00:41:32.130 --> 00:41:36.750
But it's amazing. It is. I mean, like you said,

00:41:36.969 --> 00:41:39.269
you know, it's great and you're leveraging on

00:41:39.269 --> 00:41:42.610
it. And it really lifts a lot of burden off my

00:41:42.610 --> 00:41:44.670
shoulders. Yeah, especially on stupid things

00:41:44.670 --> 00:41:47.090
like research. I just ask, you know, to the point

00:41:47.090 --> 00:41:48.710
where I don't even use Google search anymore.

00:41:48.849 --> 00:41:50.949
Yeah. I just ask Gemini. Yeah. And it's got better

00:41:50.949 --> 00:41:53.210
and better because I use the first version and

00:41:53.210 --> 00:41:55.989
now it's version two. And I can see the difference.

00:41:56.230 --> 00:42:00.190
It's smarter now. Yeah. And really, it's a lot

00:42:00.190 --> 00:42:05.829
more intuitive, you know. Yeah. It's great yet.

00:42:06.329 --> 00:42:09.010
You're frightening. Yeah. And you know what?

00:42:09.210 --> 00:42:11.710
It's only just starting. It only gets better

00:42:11.710 --> 00:42:14.869
from here. So I just heard, I just heard on the

00:42:14.869 --> 00:42:19.429
radio that Bill Gates was interviewed sometime

00:42:19.429 --> 00:42:21.510
back, just about a couple of weeks back. He said

00:42:21.510 --> 00:42:25.090
in eight years time, we don't need doctors and

00:42:25.090 --> 00:42:27.909
lawyers because they've got it so good. And one

00:42:27.909 --> 00:42:29.429
of the reasons why it gets so good, it's not

00:42:29.429 --> 00:42:32.730
because it can answer better, but just on the

00:42:32.730 --> 00:42:35.130
basis that it makes fewer mistakes than a normal

00:42:35.130 --> 00:42:38.139
human can. Let me give you a conspiracy theory.

00:42:38.260 --> 00:42:42.239
Oh, yes. Wait, let me get my tinfoil hat. You're

00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:44.000
going to think, you're going to think I'm a quack.

00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:47.699
A lot of people will say that. You know, the

00:42:47.699 --> 00:42:56.179
ETs that were captured at Area 51. Yes. This

00:42:56.179 --> 00:42:58.360
is not euphorus. And I don't believe I'm talking

00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:01.360
about this. These are the greys? No, no, no.

00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:04.159
They're actually not the greys. They're not,

00:43:04.219 --> 00:43:07.519
they're not, they're not. They actually said

00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:09.460
under interrogation, if you can go find this

00:43:09.460 --> 00:43:13.079
everywhere online, the black and white interrogation

00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:18.340
interview going back when. And this alien, it

00:43:18.340 --> 00:43:22.119
really looks really real, yeah? Says that, no,

00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.920
I'm not actually alien. I'm actually human. I'm

00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:29.960
you. Oh. This is us, you in the future. Oh, wow.

00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:33.300
We came back. Uh -huh. Because something happened

00:43:33.300 --> 00:43:41.159
to our planet. And it was... AI. It was AI. You

00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.300
don't understand that you created something that

00:43:44.300 --> 00:43:47.699
killed the human race. I think you're getting

00:43:47.699 --> 00:43:50.880
confused with the movie Terminator. No, no, no.

00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.940
Terminator is based on this. No, no, no. AI destroyed

00:43:53.940 --> 00:43:58.099
the world and it was caused because of one person,

00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:02.719
one leader in the world. that caused it to happen.

00:44:03.699 --> 00:44:07.980
No, I don't think it's actually him. I know who

00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:09.139
you're thinking. You think it's Enon Mask, right?

00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:14.340
Yeah. And it was interesting, you know, but you

00:44:14.340 --> 00:44:17.780
watch that interview, you cannot tell yourself

00:44:17.780 --> 00:44:21.880
that Kamala's fake. No. No, there's no way in

00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.179
hell. But I am convinced that AI is going to

00:44:25.179 --> 00:44:27.659
kill mankind. You know why? Yeah. Not because

00:44:27.659 --> 00:44:30.849
of the technology, but because AI, companions

00:44:30.849 --> 00:44:33.969
are gonna get so good that the guys are just

00:44:33.969 --> 00:44:36.449
gonna go hey you know why do I get to get married

00:44:36.449 --> 00:44:39.530
it's like I got someone to talk to and the girls

00:44:39.530 --> 00:44:40.949
you know the ladies will go like oh you know

00:44:40.949 --> 00:44:43.829
my husband doesn't listen to me but Gemini does

00:44:43.829 --> 00:44:45.809
yeah and then after a while you know we stop

00:44:45.809 --> 00:44:48.349
procreating and then we're all screwed yeah exactly

00:44:48.349 --> 00:44:50.670
and then we all get you know there are interesting

00:44:50.670 --> 00:44:53.530
movies I've been watching on Netflix as well

00:44:53.530 --> 00:44:56.150
right which one was this where these people are

00:44:56.150 --> 00:45:00.250
so addicted to that to the oh the metal something

00:45:00.250 --> 00:45:05.050
just recent uh with um chris pratt in it uh and

00:45:05.050 --> 00:45:07.510
that that that girl oh yes in the gambit yes

00:45:07.510 --> 00:45:09.909
yes and you get addicted to that virtual thing

00:45:09.909 --> 00:45:11.769
you know everyone's just living in a virtual

00:45:11.769 --> 00:45:15.010
just sitting out there electric uh thing right

00:45:15.010 --> 00:45:17.869
yeah electric something yeah and and they and

00:45:17.869 --> 00:45:20.449
the robots actually went to war with the human

00:45:20.449 --> 00:45:24.840
race and stuff uh -huh and angry you know AI

00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:28.059
is supposed to help us do our jobs better. But

00:45:28.059 --> 00:45:31.099
we're getting lazy. We're getting lazy. And if

00:45:31.099 --> 00:45:32.940
you remember that old Disney movie, WALL -E?

00:45:33.019 --> 00:45:35.679
Yeah. You're just going to be sitting down. In

00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:37.980
fact, Hollywood seems to know a lot of shit,

00:45:38.059 --> 00:45:42.360
you know. Especially the freaking Simpsons. Oh,

00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:46.079
yeah. I think the devil has been writing the

00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:51.210
storyline. It's season 35 now. Yeah. We're feeling

00:45:51.210 --> 00:45:55.369
old, man. Yeah, but it's remarkable how accurate

00:45:55.369 --> 00:45:58.909
they were, including the scenes in, you know,

00:45:58.909 --> 00:46:01.809
in the scenes and stuff, you know, it's so accurate.

00:46:03.050 --> 00:46:07.309
Yeah. Okay, we're going to go too deep into,

00:46:07.389 --> 00:46:11.510
you know, all kinds of conspiracy stuff. Next

00:46:11.510 --> 00:46:13.230
thing I'll be talking to you about is, now you

00:46:13.230 --> 00:46:17.389
know who killed JFK. You know that, right? CIA.

00:46:18.570 --> 00:46:23.800
Well. It wasn't outright. Have you seen it? Have

00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:27.039
you seen the declassification that came out?

00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:29.619
Well, apparently it looks like Lyndon B. Johnson.

00:46:30.420 --> 00:46:34.699
Dude, who killed him? Oh, it was his driver.

00:46:35.139 --> 00:46:37.599
Oh yes, I've seen it. He turned around with a

00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:42.460
pneumatic pistol. Oh wow. And shot him twice.

00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:45.139
I think that would be the most logical thing,

00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:46.960
right? And there was a close -up of the video

00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:49.300
and that video was never released to just Are

00:46:49.300 --> 00:46:51.800
you sure it's not AI video? No, no, no. And a

00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:55.199
pneumatic weapon can only be in the possession

00:46:55.199 --> 00:47:01.460
of the CIA. Right? Johnson. Yeah. Yeah. Highly

00:47:01.460 --> 00:47:03.460
likely. Yeah, he was the one who benefited most.

00:47:03.579 --> 00:47:06.519
He was the one who started He was sworn in. Yeah.

00:47:06.940 --> 00:47:11.219
In Air Force One. Yes. On the day. Yeah. While

00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:16.239
JFK wasn't pronounced dead yet. With the first

00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:20.639
lady present, Jackie Kennedy, covered with the

00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:23.599
brain -mattered blood of her husband on her clothes

00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:27.920
to witness the swearing -in. I mean, that alone

00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:30.340
was already quite indicative at the time. But

00:47:30.340 --> 00:47:32.579
now the video is out, man. Oh, I'm going to check

00:47:32.579 --> 00:47:34.360
that out. Go check it out, man. I've been watching

00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:37.039
it over and over and over again. But it's...

00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:42.079
Yes, so... Yeah. Conspiracy theory. Let's move

00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:44.420
away. Let's move away from that. Okay. Okay.

00:47:44.900 --> 00:47:47.280
Millennials. That's what I like about this show.

00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:49.780
Yeah. It goes everywhere. Yeah. Then it comes

00:47:49.780 --> 00:47:52.900
back again. But brother, you know, we don't take

00:47:52.900 --> 00:47:54.519
ourselves so seriously. You know what I'm saying?

00:47:54.579 --> 00:47:56.500
I mean, it's fun. We talk about it, you know?

00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:58.800
It's just you guys. Yeah. Talking crap. Always.

00:47:59.900 --> 00:48:02.769
You know, the two old dudes. Who's not going

00:48:02.769 --> 00:48:05.389
to poke fun at millennials. Yeah. Let's poke

00:48:05.389 --> 00:48:07.429
fun at millennials now. Yes, millennials. And

00:48:07.429 --> 00:48:10.150
they've grown up. How are they? That's funny

00:48:10.150 --> 00:48:13.210
because when we were in our 40s, the millennials

00:48:13.210 --> 00:48:15.769
just joined the workforce. Yeah, yeah. And they

00:48:15.769 --> 00:48:17.690
were complaining, you know. They were pinning

00:48:17.690 --> 00:48:21.190
our asses here. Yeah, they were going like, can

00:48:21.190 --> 00:48:24.829
I bring my pet to work? And now they are the

00:48:24.829 --> 00:48:27.469
middle management. The Gen Z's are giving them

00:48:27.469 --> 00:48:32.559
hell. Yeah. So now it's like, I wouldn't say

00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:34.380
they're giving them hell. You know what I mean?

00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:37.619
Come on. Oh, trust me. When you got Gen Z's coming

00:48:37.619 --> 00:48:40.639
in and saying like the question, like, I want

00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:42.800
to work from home five days a week. Oh, I'm not

00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.460
going to work. Yeah. A lot of Gen Z's are coming

00:48:45.460 --> 00:48:47.940
in and having that kind of expectation now. But

00:48:47.940 --> 00:48:50.139
bro, the millennials are doing the same thing.

00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:53.000
Millennials now, because they are moving up the

00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:55.730
management ladder. Yeah. they are now having

00:48:55.730 --> 00:48:58.449
to behave like adults now. So millennials are

00:48:58.449 --> 00:49:01.809
now in their 40s. So millennials, and I asked

00:49:01.809 --> 00:49:04.550
Gemini, Gemini told me, millennials are between

00:49:04.550 --> 00:49:08.869
30 and 44. Yeah. Okay. So as the older millennials

00:49:08.869 --> 00:49:13.250
are more senior managers now, now they're going

00:49:13.250 --> 00:49:16.989
to put up with the hell which they gave. us.

00:49:17.250 --> 00:49:20.070
Yeah, but the hell they gave us is the same hell

00:49:20.070 --> 00:49:22.429
as the Gen Zers are giving them. Yes, correct.

00:49:23.429 --> 00:49:26.849
Can't they relate to that shit? I thought they

00:49:26.849 --> 00:49:29.789
would be more empathetic. Nowadays, they've realised

00:49:29.789 --> 00:49:33.010
they've got bills to pay. So, the millennials

00:49:33.010 --> 00:49:37.110
now are in, career -wise, they are in a tricky

00:49:37.110 --> 00:49:40.449
situation. I'll tell you why. Because right now,

00:49:40.570 --> 00:49:42.789
they are what we call the sandwich generation.

00:49:43.500 --> 00:49:45.920
No, dude, sandwich us. No, we kind of sandwiched

00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:51.980
long ago. We had a freaking sandwich, dude. No,

00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:54.119
we had a pancake because squash long ago. But

00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:55.639
I'll tell you why, because they're stuck now

00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:58.619
in between, what you said, senior management

00:49:58.619 --> 00:50:03.519
and the Gen Zers. Yeah. So as much as they relate

00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:04.579
to the Gen Zers. So they're the meat in the middle.

00:50:04.900 --> 00:50:07.380
Yeah, the meat in the middle. As much as they

00:50:07.380 --> 00:50:09.699
want to have a Gen Zers, but they know, because

00:50:09.699 --> 00:50:10.860
they've been there before, like what you said,

00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:15.119
but they know they have. to manage, form the

00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.519
bosses. So they want to help them, but they can't,

00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:19.519
you know, and then they want to push back to

00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.139
the senior management, but they can't. Yep. So

00:50:22.139 --> 00:50:24.460
on one hand, they're kind of sandwiched in between

00:50:24.460 --> 00:50:28.920
the Gen Z and Gen X. On the other hand, even

00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:30.739
in their own personal life, they're also sandwiched

00:50:30.739 --> 00:50:33.880
because they have kids and they got young kids.

00:50:34.099 --> 00:50:35.980
Let me tell you about millennial parents, man.

00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:39.780
All parents. I'll tell you something, man. If

00:50:39.780 --> 00:50:41.880
you've got to deal with millennial parents. Tell

00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:46.340
me. Tell me. You want to. Tell me. I'm curious.

00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:50.980
Make a Molotov cocktail. Well, you are so. Oh,

00:50:51.059 --> 00:50:53.880
come on, man. I mean, these guys. It's so, you

00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:58.960
know. It's a vicious cycle. We complain that

00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:02.039
the millennials were raised by their booming

00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:05.139
parents. Yeah. Right. So Molly Caudill, blah,

00:51:05.219 --> 00:51:07.659
blah, blah. Right? Remember? Snowflakes. The

00:51:07.659 --> 00:51:17.559
original snowflakes. And I tell you what they're

00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:21.739
doing to their children. Same shit. Not Molly

00:51:21.739 --> 00:51:25.940
Caudill. No, no, no, no, no, not that. They hover.

00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:30.179
You know, the piano thing, the ballet thing is

00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:32.440
worse now. The taekwondo thing is worse now.

00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.960
Getting the grades is worse now. Expectations

00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:40.699
are worse. Okay. And controlling everything.

00:51:40.980 --> 00:51:44.460
Control freaks. They're the ones that we try

00:51:44.460 --> 00:51:47.179
to control, that we couldn't, hardly could control.

00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.980
And they're the ones doing it now. Oh, why is

00:51:50.980 --> 00:51:53.880
the school having vending machine in... in the

00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:56.480
schools, in the school, you know, a complex on

00:51:56.480 --> 00:51:58.940
the campus. Get rid of it. And they complain.

00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.460
They bind together. They complain. Oh, sugar.

00:52:01.699 --> 00:52:05.139
It's very bad for my kid. Bad. Oh, fuck. And

00:52:05.139 --> 00:52:06.800
the school actually listen to them. See, the

00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:10.519
worst thing is that whichever authority, whatever,

00:52:10.699 --> 00:52:12.860
whatever authority that they, you know, that

00:52:12.860 --> 00:52:14.980
their lives, that surround their lives, right?

00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.800
Yeah, yeah. They will, most of the time, bend

00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:22.280
to these people's wishes for schools. They got

00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:24.059
rid of the vending machine. I, on the other hand,

00:52:24.059 --> 00:52:27.179
was a lonely voice in the freaking desert that

00:52:27.179 --> 00:52:29.000
went out there and complained, why do you remove

00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:32.400
it? Because I've always realized that, look,

00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:35.119
it's a great fine parenting opportunity to teach

00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.019
your kid to have self -discipline. Yeah, that's

00:52:37.019 --> 00:52:39.219
true. Right? But no, they removed the fucking

00:52:39.219 --> 00:52:41.780
thing. Nevermind. Handphones. Why do you allow

00:52:41.780 --> 00:52:46.119
them to have headphones? To be with them in class.

00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:51.809
You don't want them to use headphones. My question

00:52:51.809 --> 00:52:56.510
is actually why. Can I ask you why? Do you? I

00:52:56.510 --> 00:52:58.289
mean, do you agree to something like that? No,

00:52:58.309 --> 00:53:00.409
actually let my kids have free flow. Precisely

00:53:00.409 --> 00:53:04.489
why? Because again, parenting opportunity. You

00:53:04.489 --> 00:53:08.590
teach the kid, don't be a clown. When it's not

00:53:08.590 --> 00:53:12.110
the time to use it, don't use it. Now, and at

00:53:12.110 --> 00:53:14.449
the same time, if you're going to refuse your

00:53:14.449 --> 00:53:18.260
kid to know how to be adept. at smart devices,

00:53:18.579 --> 00:53:21.179
that guy's going to lose out. Because the future

00:53:21.179 --> 00:53:23.980
is about more than just that. You're handicapping

00:53:23.980 --> 00:53:26.860
the kid, right? But you know what I get? This

00:53:26.860 --> 00:53:30.139
is what I get. I tell you, get a load of this.

00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:35.519
Chris, not every child is as matured as yours.

00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:39.920
And you say, that's true. Sorry for you. That

00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:42.960
is true. I'm sorry for you guys. You're right.

00:53:43.059 --> 00:53:47.250
I did give the answer. You're right. But, Now

00:53:47.250 --> 00:53:50.789
you're going to blame nature instead of looking

00:53:50.789 --> 00:53:56.849
at nurture? Dude. Yeah. Come on. Do your job.

00:53:56.909 --> 00:54:00.489
It is not the school's job. It is your job. You

00:54:00.489 --> 00:54:03.110
know, millennial parents. Yeah. I'm telling you.

00:54:03.230 --> 00:54:07.150
It's a fact. I'm an old dad. My kids can be 16.

00:54:07.369 --> 00:54:10.949
I'm an old dad. I'm going to be 55. A lot of

00:54:10.949 --> 00:54:14.510
majority of the parents in that group are millennials.

00:54:15.449 --> 00:54:18.949
And I scratched my head. And you know, everything

00:54:18.949 --> 00:54:23.329
was so, I'll tell you, it's two extremes. They

00:54:23.329 --> 00:54:26.849
have exams, this, that. No, they're so into it.

00:54:27.550 --> 00:54:31.650
So into it. It's ridiculous. And I'm like, what

00:54:31.650 --> 00:54:34.570
the fuck? I had to mute the chat room. You know,

00:54:34.570 --> 00:54:38.090
and then, and then anything and everything, uniforms,

00:54:38.150 --> 00:54:42.909
buying the books, this, that. And, over these

00:54:42.909 --> 00:54:45.409
kind of things. I said, fuck it. What do you

00:54:45.409 --> 00:54:48.150
think? You can't get the books? No matter what,

00:54:48.210 --> 00:54:50.610
you can still get the books. You know what I

00:54:50.610 --> 00:54:53.349
mean? Okay, okay, okay. Take a step back. As

00:54:53.349 --> 00:54:55.949
much as I... He's going to defend him. No, no,

00:54:55.949 --> 00:54:59.170
no. As much as I agree with you and I really

00:54:59.170 --> 00:55:02.889
hate it when millennial parents hover and what

00:55:02.889 --> 00:55:05.670
they call lawnmower parenting. I don't know what

00:55:05.670 --> 00:55:07.809
it's called. Helicopter, helicopter. Helicopter.

00:55:07.989 --> 00:55:11.039
Yeah. It's called lawnmowers because you cut

00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:12.480
the grass before the child can walk or whatever.

00:55:12.619 --> 00:55:14.559
Anyway, what the fuck? I don't know. That's the

00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:17.280
logic there. Okay, I have no idea. As much as

00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:20.539
I have to say about helicopter penalty, how stupid

00:55:20.539 --> 00:55:23.539
it is for guilty as charged. Let me tell you

00:55:23.539 --> 00:55:25.719
a fun story. You're going to cry about this for

00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:30.199
the day. So my son goes into NS, okay? Uh -huh.

00:55:31.059 --> 00:55:34.199
He goes to BMT. Uh -huh. And every night he'll

00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:35.659
message me, like, hey, you know, today was fun,

00:55:35.739 --> 00:55:37.679
whatever it is, you know? And then one night,

00:55:37.699 --> 00:55:39.719
you know, he messages me a very cryptic message,

00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:43.980
you know, at 9, 9 .15. Uh, that, dot, dot, dot,

00:55:43.980 --> 00:55:47.840
dot. Yeah. Yeah. And then, I didn't see the message

00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:50.920
until about 10 .15. And then I put the message,

00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:57.380
uh, okay, uh, what's up, no? No response. 11pm,

00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:01.840
I mean, uh, everything okay? No response. Okay?

00:56:02.750 --> 00:56:03.989
You know that day I was starting to get panicky

00:56:03.989 --> 00:56:06.769
already. It's like, no blue tick even, you know.

00:56:07.409 --> 00:56:09.710
And then, it's something he would not normally

00:56:09.710 --> 00:56:12.630
do, right? Okay. Yeah, I wanted to wake my wife

00:56:12.630 --> 00:56:15.289
up to tell her. She's even more conscious than

00:56:15.289 --> 00:56:18.469
me. So I said, okay, I'll break it down. At number

00:56:18.469 --> 00:56:20.849
45, I said, hey, you're starting to worry me,

00:56:20.929 --> 00:56:25.710
you know. He's like, okay. No response. Helicopter

00:56:25.710 --> 00:56:28.610
parent. Just tell me, what the fuck actually

00:56:28.610 --> 00:56:34.150
happened to him? Cool. WhatsApp his OC. He's

00:56:34.150 --> 00:56:35.869
not joking. Look, because it was a different

00:56:35.869 --> 00:56:40.329
orientation. It was at midnight, you know. I

00:56:40.329 --> 00:56:47.110
say, Captain Jeremiah. Is Lucius okay or not?

00:56:48.130 --> 00:56:50.150
He said, of course, he sent me this message.

00:56:50.369 --> 00:56:54.989
He said, okay, I'll check. 12 o 'clock message.

00:56:55.530 --> 00:57:00.289
12 .30. No response still though. I didn't call

00:57:00.289 --> 00:57:03.929
him up. I said, okay or not? He said, oh, they

00:57:03.929 --> 00:57:07.710
went for a long route march. Oh, that guy was

00:57:07.710 --> 00:57:10.250
sleeping now. That guy is sleeping now. He says,

00:57:10.250 --> 00:57:12.670
okay. Next morning, I get a message from him.

00:57:12.730 --> 00:57:23.079
Dad. You call my CEO. Oh, shit. So, helicopter

00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:28.019
parenting. I tell you something, man. I wouldn't,

00:57:28.019 --> 00:57:32.159
I would not actually. To me, that wasn't helicopter

00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:35.980
parenting. That was genuine concern. And there

00:57:35.980 --> 00:57:39.480
was need to be concerned. That ellipses, come

00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:43.780
on. I mean, I would, I would fucking flip. Honestly,

00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:50.480
I would flip. And I would flip. So you just won't

00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:52.659
tell me that he had a long day by first. I would

00:57:52.659 --> 00:57:55.639
flip because this is reality. Anything could

00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:58.559
have happened to the kid, you know, regardless

00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:02.039
whether it was in NS or outside of NS. If I send

00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:05.980
my boy a text and he takes like the next hour

00:58:05.980 --> 00:58:08.360
plus or so, he doesn't respond. It is unlike

00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:12.760
him. And we know our children, right? So we have

00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:15.880
the right to be worried. That's not helicopter

00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:18.820
parenting. Helicopter parenting, to me, is like

00:58:18.820 --> 00:58:24.320
every step of the way, every aspect of your child's

00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:27.800
life, you want to be in control to the extent

00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:32.940
where eventually they rebel. And you wonder why

00:58:32.940 --> 00:58:36.980
they're like that. You stifle them, you smother

00:58:36.980 --> 00:58:41.179
them until they... they just get so either resigned

00:58:41.179 --> 00:58:45.800
or they break out later on. And I've seen so

00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:47.559
many of these sort of stupid things happening.

00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:52.199
And to me, I see, you know, so many parents doing

00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:56.679
that crap today, right? And these guys get handicapped.

00:58:56.960 --> 00:58:59.940
They will be, man, in a lot of ways. You want

00:58:59.940 --> 00:59:01.679
to nurture maturity? It's not going to happen.

00:59:02.820 --> 00:59:04.420
It's not going to happen, man. It's not going

00:59:04.420 --> 00:59:09.019
to happen. So I just, that to me, That is helicopter

00:59:09.019 --> 00:59:13.719
parenting. You smother them. And then if they

00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:16.179
make one mistake, like I forgot to bring this

00:59:16.179 --> 00:59:18.239
today, could you help me come over? Come and

00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:20.420
deliver it to me. Now, of course, some people

00:59:20.420 --> 00:59:21.940
say helicopter parenting is that you run down

00:59:21.940 --> 00:59:24.179
and give it to them. Look, they can make mistakes.

00:59:24.340 --> 00:59:26.320
It's okay to run down and give it to them. But

00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:27.900
after that, you fire them left, right and center.

00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:34.679
I mean, you know, I mean, you just put too much

00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:39.019
emphasis on... on these things that is just going

00:59:39.019 --> 00:59:40.980
to stifle them. You're not going to give them

00:59:40.980 --> 00:59:43.239
the freedom to maneuver. And it doesn't help

00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:45.840
them build the resilience. I think a lot of Gen

00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:50.599
Zers today, they could do with a bit more resilience

00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:53.539
with their career -wise. Yeah. And you know how

00:59:53.539 --> 00:59:55.960
terrible they, you know, as new parents are.

00:59:56.260 --> 00:59:58.500
Because I'm not going to say too much, but I

00:59:58.500 --> 01:00:02.840
know for a fact that new parents, baby just born.

01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:08.090
Yeah. Okay. And they go to a confinement center

01:00:08.090 --> 01:00:14.289
to stay. Yeah. Oh, yes. Okay. And the entitlement,

01:00:14.369 --> 01:00:19.010
how entitled they are in the demands they make

01:00:19.010 --> 01:00:26.210
is out of this world. Okay. And some don't even

01:00:26.210 --> 01:00:30.349
deserve to be parents because they just became

01:00:30.349 --> 01:00:33.849
parents just to be parents. Or maybe the expectations

01:00:33.849 --> 01:00:36.829
of them to be parents. And they don't give a

01:00:36.829 --> 01:00:40.349
shit about the kids. And unfortunately, I'm happy

01:00:40.349 --> 01:00:42.489
they have kids because I love kids. Okay. I think

01:00:42.489 --> 01:00:44.230
Singaporeans are not reproducing fast enough.

01:00:44.710 --> 01:00:47.010
But I'm happy they have kids. A lot of people

01:00:47.010 --> 01:00:48.409
I talk to nowadays, younger ones, they don't

01:00:48.409 --> 01:00:51.210
want to get married even. Yeah, I know. But those

01:00:51.210 --> 01:00:54.280
that do, sometimes I wonder why. Because... They

01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:56.960
don't really give a shit. You know what I mean?

01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:59.239
Just have as many as we need. Either that or

01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:03.800
they just bought it too much. Yeah. Or too extremes.

01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:06.380
Too extremes. Yeah, really. They really don't

01:01:06.380 --> 01:01:08.079
care or they bought it too much. But I really

01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:10.539
think that Singaporeans should procreate more.

01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:12.400
Otherwise, we'll have to import more. And then

01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:14.460
we cannot be seen to be complaining about imports.

01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:16.920
Yeah, yeah. It's just the thing, you know, imports,

01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:19.960
man. I mean, pretty soon we're going to be, we're

01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:22.550
going to have people who might... Not just fine

01:01:22.550 --> 01:01:25.210
us, but we could get arrested by people who are

01:01:25.210 --> 01:01:28.650
not even Singaporeans. Oh, yeah. Funny, politically

01:01:28.650 --> 01:01:31.710
incorrect story, okay? So I had this Swedish...

01:01:31.710 --> 01:01:33.429
This is a politically incorrect show. Yeah, that's

01:01:33.429 --> 01:01:36.650
why it's perfect. So I had this Swedish client

01:01:36.650 --> 01:01:41.369
came in and I had a meeting with her at 6pm after

01:01:41.369 --> 01:01:44.230
a whole day of meetings. Right. First time in

01:01:44.230 --> 01:01:46.409
Singapore. Right. So she came out and I remember

01:01:46.409 --> 01:01:49.269
I went to the lift, I brought her to the office

01:01:49.269 --> 01:01:50.670
and she said, they were talking and she said,

01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:57.519
Are you Singaporean? To me. I said, no. I can't

01:01:57.519 --> 01:01:59.099
remember her name. Her name sounds like something

01:01:59.099 --> 01:02:04.139
you would buy at Ikea. One of those. I said,

01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:09.079
why do you ask that question? I said, I am Singaporean.

01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:12.460
I said, no, are you Singaporean Singaporean?

01:02:13.099 --> 01:02:16.159
What? I said, what do you mean? Today I met Singaporeans,

01:02:16.179 --> 01:02:19.920
okay, who were originally from Malaysia. Singaporeans

01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:22.159
who were from China and from India right you

01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:24.260
know because she went she did a business round

01:02:24.260 --> 01:02:28.699
right I've met people who are you know and then

01:02:28.699 --> 01:02:31.199
are you Singaporean Singaporean she said were

01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:35.199
you born here I said yeah she said no I met 20

01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:37.079
people today you're the first Singaporean Singaporean

01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:40.639
I've met holy shit she said and I was like Yeah,

01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:42.619
shucks now. So if you look at... Singaporean,

01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:44.639
Singaporean. Yeah. So I was just thinking that

01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:47.480
she noticed it because I don't notice it. Singaporean,

01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:49.739
fine. No, but there's one way of putting it.

01:02:49.780 --> 01:02:51.300
Yeah, you're Singaporean, Singaporean. Yeah,

01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:53.739
which is weird because it was not something I

01:02:53.739 --> 01:02:56.840
brought up. It's so blind. I'm so blind to it.

01:02:57.079 --> 01:02:59.920
But if you think about it, Singapore, okay, 6

01:02:59.920 --> 01:03:02.940
million people right now. How many Singaporeans

01:03:02.940 --> 01:03:06.659
are there? About 3 .5, maybe 4 million Singaporeans.

01:03:07.019 --> 01:03:10.199
Maybe 3 .5, okay? Yeah. 3 .5 Singaporeans, okay?

01:03:10.380 --> 01:03:12.840
How many are Singaporeans, Singaporeans? You

01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:15.179
count out all the new citizens, okay, supposing.

01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:20.500
It's about two mil. Yep, yep. Okay? Two point

01:03:20.500 --> 01:03:22.719
something. Two point something, okay? Last month,

01:03:22.780 --> 01:03:26.659
I was at my mom's place and I was showing my

01:03:26.659 --> 01:03:30.219
daughter the antique collection of Encyclopedia

01:03:30.219 --> 01:03:33.780
Britannica. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Encyclopedia Britannica.

01:03:33.940 --> 01:03:35.039
Yeah, she was like, Encyclopedia Britannica.

01:03:35.059 --> 01:03:37.000
And then she was like, What's that? And I said,

01:03:37.019 --> 01:03:40.860
this is our version of internet. That was on

01:03:40.860 --> 01:03:43.480
Google. That was on Google. So if you look at

01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:47.480
Singapore, 1984, population 2 .1 million. Yeah.

01:03:48.019 --> 01:03:49.699
1984 population 2 million. That one is Singapore,

01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:51.280
Singapore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's before the

01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:55.800
floodgates opened. Yeah. 1984, Singapore, Singapore,

01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:58.519
2 .1, 2 .5 million. Hey, we have not done a good

01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:01.550
job, man. We have not done a good job, man. So

01:04:01.550 --> 01:04:05.530
that's why, you know, Singaporeans have to procreate

01:04:05.530 --> 01:04:08.809
faster. And if you can't, as in all countries

01:04:08.809 --> 01:04:11.369
are facing that right now, okay, then you got

01:04:11.369 --> 01:04:15.250
to import. And so therefore, you know, and interestingly,

01:04:15.349 --> 01:04:18.730
when my son was in primary school, at one of

01:04:18.730 --> 01:04:22.429
the PTA sessions, one parent stood up and said,

01:04:22.610 --> 01:04:28.079
can we stop? can we disqualify the non -Singaporean

01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:29.699
students from coming to this school because they're

01:04:29.699 --> 01:04:33.420
raising the standard too much. And I was very

01:04:33.420 --> 01:04:36.179
amused. I was thinking like, okay, then can you

01:04:36.179 --> 01:04:38.920
tell the government to stop? This is global competition.

01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:40.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't do that. You can't

01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:44.000
do that. No, that one I understand. But interestingly,

01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:51.219
if let's say things, if things were a little

01:04:51.219 --> 01:04:55.699
easier, life was a little easier. Wouldn't you

01:04:55.699 --> 01:04:59.500
agree or wouldn't you think that younger Singaporeans

01:04:59.500 --> 01:05:03.119
or younger couples would then decide to make

01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:06.400
babies? Agreed. Absolutely agree. Easier as in

01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:10.420
cheaper. Yeah. Maybe there are young couples

01:05:10.420 --> 01:05:13.340
out there who believe that. I don't want to.

01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:16.980
I heard it takes five years for a BTO flat now.

01:05:18.139 --> 01:05:21.139
I don't know. I'm not in the market. I'm not

01:05:21.139 --> 01:05:22.659
in the market either. But imagine if it takes

01:05:22.659 --> 01:05:24.360
five years for me to get a flat to procreate.

01:05:24.619 --> 01:05:27.320
yeah yeah assuming i want to procreate absolutely

01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:32.000
so the the environment isn't conducive it's not

01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:34.860
i mean when i say environment isn't conducive

01:05:34.860 --> 01:05:36.880
don't just mean your physical environment like

01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:38.599
you know you don't have a yeah i don't have a

01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:43.940
flat to go and to go and procreate so but it's

01:05:43.940 --> 01:05:46.340
a lot of i think it's a lot of factors it's fierce

01:05:46.340 --> 01:05:49.900
it's fierce yeah yeah there's so many things

01:05:49.900 --> 01:05:52.750
yeah and i think To bring a child, bring up a

01:05:52.750 --> 01:05:54.369
child, you know, it's going to be so expensive.

01:05:54.369 --> 01:05:56.210
We don't want to go through that stress. We'd

01:05:56.210 --> 01:05:57.750
rather just be the two of us. You know, it's

01:05:57.750 --> 01:06:00.369
easier for us to manage. That could be the narrative

01:06:00.369 --> 01:06:03.110
that these people are having. Yeah. And these

01:06:03.110 --> 01:06:04.849
are genuine concerns. Yeah, they are genuine

01:06:04.849 --> 01:06:07.130
concerns. And we had them way back when. Things

01:06:07.130 --> 01:06:09.630
were a lot easier. So right now it's tougher.

01:06:10.710 --> 01:06:15.050
So it's the price of progress. But then again...

01:06:15.420 --> 01:06:17.139
Sometimes it'd be nice to just tap the brakes

01:06:17.139 --> 01:06:20.219
on progress for a bit. I agree. And that's why,

01:06:20.300 --> 01:06:23.039
you know, if we look at, we've spoken about Gen

01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:26.940
Zs, Gen Ys, Gen Xs like us. Yeah. You know, we

01:06:26.940 --> 01:06:29.280
are at a stage where we are in our 50s. We're

01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:31.659
kind of okay, quite set already. Yeah. Quite

01:06:31.659 --> 01:06:34.539
set, settled in. Not really. Okay. More or less.

01:06:34.980 --> 01:06:40.639
In a sense, the kids are grown up. Don't have

01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:47.800
to pay for the pampers and the... So, a lot of

01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:50.320
times now the Gen Xers, they are more worried

01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:52.900
about career stability. And to which I say there

01:06:52.900 --> 01:06:57.159
is none. There is none. There is none. So, you

01:06:57.159 --> 01:06:59.380
really have to... We circle back to the original

01:06:59.380 --> 01:07:03.059
question you posed earlier. Be your own boss

01:07:03.059 --> 01:07:07.619
or work for people. Right. I think ultimately

01:07:07.619 --> 01:07:11.250
towards the... till the end of your career, the

01:07:11.250 --> 01:07:14.230
third part of your, third season of your career,

01:07:14.329 --> 01:07:17.369
fourth season, you have to figure out how are

01:07:17.369 --> 01:07:19.849
you going to be your own boss. Okay. Now that

01:07:19.849 --> 01:07:23.309
you're talking about this, let's say for, I give

01:07:23.309 --> 01:07:26.170
you a scenario, okay? You have two scenarios.

01:07:26.469 --> 01:07:30.690
One, a young person, fortunate enough to land

01:07:30.690 --> 01:07:33.510
a job in one of those big tech companies. It

01:07:33.510 --> 01:07:37.360
could be a... It could be an Amazon, it could

01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:40.179
be Google, it could be Meta, right? Like you

01:07:40.179 --> 01:07:46.300
mentioned earlier. And, and this, but we do know,

01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:49.820
and we've also seen examples, real examples of

01:07:49.820 --> 01:07:52.099
this happening. Actually, this really did happen

01:07:52.099 --> 01:07:57.199
where these guys, they had the exercise of retrenchment.

01:07:57.219 --> 01:07:59.159
Yeah, lots of it. Right? And it happens like

01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:00.920
once every two years or something like that,

01:08:00.940 --> 01:08:03.250
right? Ongoing every other quarter. Oh dear.

01:08:03.449 --> 01:08:07.190
Yeah, they do. It's so under the radar now. So

01:08:07.190 --> 01:08:11.190
why would people actually go for these jobs then,

01:08:11.289 --> 01:08:13.550
knowing that you could be at risk at any time?

01:08:13.730 --> 01:08:16.430
Because the pay is astronomical. Yeah, but then

01:08:16.430 --> 01:08:18.750
again, if there's no stability, then how? And

01:08:18.750 --> 01:08:20.449
therefore, that's why, once again, it depends

01:08:20.449 --> 01:08:23.109
on the season in your career. If you're in your

01:08:23.109 --> 01:08:25.109
40s or 30s or 40s, then maybe you want to make

01:08:25.109 --> 01:08:28.020
money while the sun shines. But... I understand

01:08:28.020 --> 01:08:30.199
that once you're in your early 40s, you come

01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:32.979
to a price range where people will start thinking,

01:08:33.220 --> 01:08:36.560
is he delivering as much value as I'm paying

01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:39.439
him? If I'm paying this guy $300 ,000 a year,

01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:42.539
is he bringing me $3 million worth of business?

01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.819
So now we're talking about someone older. Yeah.

01:08:45.939 --> 01:08:48.619
How about this next scenario then? If you have

01:08:48.619 --> 01:08:53.140
someone in their mid 40s to slightly late 40s,

01:08:53.140 --> 01:08:56.220
slightly late 40s, offered to get into a job

01:08:56.220 --> 01:09:00.979
with a, very high position, you know, and knowing

01:09:00.979 --> 01:09:04.199
also that this is going to be still everyone's

01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:07.520
subject to that exercise, right? Yeah. That clean

01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:10.300
out, it's called the clean out exercise. Would

01:09:10.300 --> 01:09:12.699
you say to that person it's a good idea for you

01:09:12.699 --> 01:09:15.380
to do it? Well, it depends. So there are two

01:09:15.380 --> 01:09:17.880
things that if you go in, it's just a money making

01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:20.460
play. You make as much money as you can until

01:09:20.460 --> 01:09:24.649
you get flushed out. Yeah. Okay. But the bigger

01:09:24.649 --> 01:09:26.909
question is, do you want the kind of stress?

01:09:26.970 --> 01:09:29.689
Because a lot of people know that it's going

01:09:29.689 --> 01:09:32.289
to be lots of money, but lots of stress as well.

01:09:32.609 --> 01:09:35.329
And you can be burnt out. So some people outright

01:09:35.329 --> 01:09:38.149
say, I don't want to step in that place. Okay.

01:09:38.369 --> 01:09:44.930
It's a furnace where they burn you out. Okay.

01:09:46.010 --> 01:09:49.770
One person described one of the big tech companies

01:09:49.770 --> 01:09:53.380
as a gigantic sugarcane press. Come in one end

01:09:53.380 --> 01:09:56.380
fresh, right? The juice comes out. They squeeze

01:09:56.380 --> 01:09:59.000
you one more time. No more juice. They squeeze

01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:00.979
you one more time until you're totally devoid

01:10:00.979 --> 01:10:03.340
of any juice, right? Soak you in water one more

01:10:03.340 --> 01:10:06.380
last time. They squeeze every ounce of juice

01:10:06.380 --> 01:10:08.500
for you because of the money they pay. So the

01:10:08.500 --> 01:10:11.159
people who join this organization, some of them

01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:13.699
really enjoy and thrive in those kind of environments.

01:10:14.460 --> 01:10:17.060
Others just go in. Two years, three years, you

01:10:17.060 --> 01:10:18.579
know, and then with that kind of experience,

01:10:18.739 --> 01:10:20.920
I was with Google for two years. They go work

01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:23.420
for a smaller company. That's stressful. But

01:10:23.420 --> 01:10:25.659
because they have Google on their CV, they get

01:10:25.659 --> 01:10:28.859
a bit of street crap, maybe. And then they start

01:10:28.859 --> 01:10:33.279
winding down, toning down on their careers. So

01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:34.859
to answer your question, sometimes they do it

01:10:34.859 --> 01:10:37.159
for the money. Sometimes they do it for the prestige.

01:10:37.420 --> 01:10:41.579
But don't ever think that you'll be there forever.

01:10:42.569 --> 01:10:45.329
Because there's no more career longevity in those

01:10:45.329 --> 01:10:47.189
places unless you're willing to play the game

01:10:47.189 --> 01:10:50.189
at that level. And a lot of people can't be bothered,

01:10:50.270 --> 01:10:55.750
seriously. It's a place where if you're not careful,

01:10:55.789 --> 01:10:57.130
I'm not saying Google, I'm saying a lot of these

01:10:57.130 --> 01:10:58.489
tech companies, it's a place where if you're

01:10:58.489 --> 01:11:01.270
not careful, you will burn out. And if you're

01:11:01.270 --> 01:11:04.770
even more careless about your own health, it

01:11:04.770 --> 01:11:07.909
could be permanent. I know this person who actually

01:11:07.909 --> 01:11:10.930
had a stroke because of the work. And he was

01:11:10.930 --> 01:11:15.119
only 45. So much traveling and everything. It's

01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:19.100
terrible, right? Yeah. So it happens. It just

01:11:19.100 --> 01:11:23.699
happens. So one word of advice I always tell

01:11:23.699 --> 01:11:25.500
people before they consider a high -paying job,

01:11:25.659 --> 01:11:28.739
consider what we call the shit -per -dollar equation.

01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:31.899
How much shit are you going to get for that dollar?

01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:37.239
If you're going to be paid $20 ,000 a month,

01:11:37.340 --> 01:11:41.630
but the stress you're going to get, and unpleasantness

01:11:41.630 --> 01:11:45.750
is very high, maybe a $15 ,000 job with less

01:11:45.750 --> 01:11:48.090
stress might be better. So don't look at a quantum

01:11:48.090 --> 01:11:50.069
alone. Look at a shit per dollar. So the shit

01:11:50.069 --> 01:11:51.270
per dollar equation is something you need to

01:11:51.270 --> 01:11:54.029
look at. So right now, if you're in a job which

01:11:54.029 --> 01:11:56.109
is okay and someone offers you double the pay

01:11:56.109 --> 01:11:59.090
for double the shit, will you take it? I don't

01:11:59.090 --> 01:12:00.970
know, man. Yeah, see? So there's a big question.

01:12:01.250 --> 01:12:05.329
So we need to figure out what is your game, what's

01:12:05.329 --> 01:12:08.069
your game plan, what's your strategy, and then...

01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:12.779
take a smart step forward. Otherwise, you're

01:12:12.779 --> 01:12:15.260
screwed. So someone in their 50s, for example,

01:12:16.020 --> 01:12:19.659
you know, unhappy with his work, unhappy with

01:12:19.659 --> 01:12:22.939
the job, as you said, you know, tired out already,

01:12:23.100 --> 01:12:26.199
fed up with the politics. So back to the topic,

01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:29.760
be a boss at that stage, make a real change.

01:12:29.979 --> 01:12:33.880
If you can be a boss and especially if you have

01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:36.520
experience in, if you've got good transferable

01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:40.819
experiences. like sales. I always said, if you

01:12:40.819 --> 01:12:44.060
can sell, you'll never go hungry. Okay. Right?

01:12:44.220 --> 01:12:45.699
You can always find something to sell. Yeah.

01:12:45.819 --> 01:12:48.939
Be it insurance, be it real estate, be it some

01:12:48.939 --> 01:12:50.579
other sales job, whatever it is. It's the skill

01:12:50.579 --> 01:12:52.720
that you have. Right. If you have a technical

01:12:52.720 --> 01:12:55.220
skill, then even better still. You know, if you

01:12:55.220 --> 01:12:58.819
have, if you have, like for yourself, you know,

01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:00.920
you have the technical skills and this is a hobby

01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:04.479
turned business as well. So this is, these are

01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:06.800
all steps towards being your own boss. Yeah.

01:13:07.100 --> 01:13:11.479
And I think try ahead in many, many things. Would

01:13:11.479 --> 01:13:16.819
it be, would it be, would it be, to me, in this

01:13:16.819 --> 01:13:19.779
environment in Singapore today, it seems that

01:13:19.779 --> 01:13:21.880
it would be a better idea to be an entrepreneur.

01:13:23.300 --> 01:13:25.220
Tough, eh? Entrepreneurs are, have it tough as

01:13:25.220 --> 01:13:27.079
well, no? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The first time I

01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:29.739
switched over when I started Career Agility in

01:13:29.739 --> 01:13:32.100
2018, I mean, I've had different businesses running

01:13:32.100 --> 01:13:36.439
before. First time I started running, I used

01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:41.899
to have this joke that I quit my stressful nine

01:13:41.899 --> 01:13:45.800
to eight job to start a business where I was

01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:49.420
working 24 seven running a business because it's

01:13:49.420 --> 01:13:52.340
just stressful. Right. So not everyone can be

01:13:52.340 --> 01:13:56.260
an entrepreneur. Right. So for those people who

01:13:56.260 --> 01:13:59.550
want to start a business, but may not. have the

01:13:59.550 --> 01:14:03.850
DNA for it. My suggestion is start small, try,

01:14:03.970 --> 01:14:05.789
see if you like it. Sometimes it helps if you

01:14:05.789 --> 01:14:10.050
have a good partner, a good team to go in it

01:14:10.050 --> 01:14:13.170
together. So you split the load. That has its

01:14:13.170 --> 01:14:15.829
own share of challenges as well. Oh, yeah. I

01:14:15.829 --> 01:14:17.850
mean, especially, oh, I've got eight partners.

01:14:18.029 --> 01:14:21.989
Oh, yeah. Ten, you have been finished. Cannot

01:14:21.989 --> 01:14:26.449
die. So, you know, and for my personal experience,

01:14:26.649 --> 01:14:29.640
yeah. because I've had several businesses before.

01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:32.640
It's okay to have great partners. When times

01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:35.779
are tough, they'll stick by you. But when times

01:14:35.779 --> 01:14:37.840
are good and money's rolling in, that's when

01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:39.479
everyone starts to quarrel over everyone. Yeah,

01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:42.560
yeah, yeah. What's my split? What's my split?

01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:47.180
Yeah, right. It's like two robbers going out

01:14:47.180 --> 01:14:50.539
together to go and carjack. I'm going to take

01:14:50.539 --> 01:14:52.300
this. I'm going to take this. I don't need half.

01:14:52.380 --> 01:14:55.319
I took more. I took more risk than you. Exactly,

01:14:55.319 --> 01:14:58.579
right? So that happens. No order amongst thieves.

01:14:59.699 --> 01:15:04.140
So entrepreneurship is a journey which it's,

01:15:04.140 --> 01:15:06.260
if you're not cut out for it. So I used to have

01:15:06.260 --> 01:15:09.619
this mentor and she used to tell me that people

01:15:09.619 --> 01:15:13.000
who become entrepreneurs, they're actually crazy.

01:15:13.220 --> 01:15:16.399
Yeah, yeah, yeah. A bit loco, loco. Yeah, yeah.

01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:18.899
But I just think that, you know, sometimes when

01:15:18.899 --> 01:15:21.399
you really, when push comes to shove, man, and

01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:23.859
you can't really get on anymore. Yeah. do your

01:15:23.859 --> 01:15:25.659
own thing. I agree, I agree. You can even be

01:15:25.659 --> 01:15:28.220
in the gig industry, you know, be a freelance

01:15:28.220 --> 01:15:30.659
person. And there's some skills that you can

01:15:30.659 --> 01:15:32.920
pick up. Yeah. Like your, remember you told me

01:15:32.920 --> 01:15:34.979
about your locksmith friend. Yeah, yeah. Right?

01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:37.800
He had no experience in locksmithing. But I tell

01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:39.739
you something, man, that guy's grown, man. Yeah,

01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:42.439
exactly, right? Yeah, see, so it's amazing. He

01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:44.539
has grown and he's having fun. And I know this

01:15:44.539 --> 01:15:47.460
guy, okay, he's young, 40, no, late 30 year old

01:15:47.460 --> 01:15:51.199
guy. One morning, my car battery died. He, I

01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:53.770
went on Google, I checked, I called him, he came

01:15:53.770 --> 01:15:56.430
by. In 45 minutes, he got my car battery fixed.

01:15:56.529 --> 01:15:58.710
And he told me, and he charged me 200 bucks for

01:15:58.710 --> 01:16:00.890
it. Which I directly paid, otherwise I'd get

01:16:00.890 --> 01:16:02.710
a tow truck and everything, right? Young guy

01:16:02.710 --> 01:16:05.430
spoke very good English. And I said, you don't

01:16:05.430 --> 01:16:07.409
look like a typical car battery repairman. He

01:16:07.409 --> 01:16:09.609
said, I'm not. This is my business. I'm actually,

01:16:09.810 --> 01:16:11.789
he says, changing batteries is not rocket science.

01:16:12.090 --> 01:16:14.449
You stick it out, reconnect and put it in, right?

01:16:14.930 --> 01:16:18.430
He was driving an Audi, okay? And he said, I'm

01:16:18.430 --> 01:16:21.100
not the battery repairman. I'm a Google search

01:16:21.100 --> 01:16:24.840
SEO expert. Wow. Because I know what time to

01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:26.899
advertise. Yeah, yeah. Since I advertised on

01:16:26.899 --> 01:16:29.039
Monday morning, I actually stayed. You know,

01:16:29.060 --> 01:16:31.060
I peek and then I know how to play around. Guess

01:16:31.060 --> 01:16:32.760
what? My locksmith friend does the same thing.

01:16:32.899 --> 01:16:36.140
Yeah. So that's amazing. Yeah. So I think if

01:16:36.140 --> 01:16:38.000
you want to find a business niche, you probably

01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:40.520
could. Just be careful about it. But to your

01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:43.380
point, I think everyone should have a hand in

01:16:43.380 --> 01:16:47.399
being career independent. Yeah. Do your own stuff.

01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:51.920
Yeah. This thing about career health, the government

01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:54.119
is pushing for career health. Can you tell us

01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:55.399
a little bit more about that? Okay, wind down

01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:58.239
the show because we've been talking for an hour

01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:00.619
and a half. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, it's the first

01:17:00.619 --> 01:17:03.180
episode for this season has gone this long. Oh,

01:17:03.180 --> 01:17:06.279
yeah. We've all been doing one hour shows, man.

01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:10.220
Time flies in 35. So career health is something

01:17:10.220 --> 01:17:14.479
that the government is pushing. Right. And it

01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:19.359
basically says that if you want, to enjoy your

01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:21.479
career, you must, you must have good career health.

01:17:21.619 --> 01:17:23.560
Right. Meaning like, just like if you want to

01:17:23.560 --> 01:17:25.779
have a good, if you want to live healthily, happy

01:17:25.779 --> 01:17:28.680
life, right? You have to have your health, which

01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:30.279
means that you need to work out, you need to

01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:32.380
make sure that you're healthy. Yeah. So the government

01:17:32.380 --> 01:17:35.819
is pushing career health. Okay. Okay. But. What's

01:17:35.819 --> 01:17:37.260
the definition of career health? Yeah, exactly.

01:17:37.340 --> 01:17:38.340
What's the definition of career health? Yeah.

01:17:38.340 --> 01:17:41.560
And, and, and the government's definition is,

01:17:41.579 --> 01:17:43.899
is not being healthy and it's quite generic.

01:17:44.359 --> 01:17:45.859
If you ask them, if you ask them to pin down

01:17:45.859 --> 01:17:48.880
his career health, you know. So it's very generic.

01:17:48.960 --> 01:17:51.140
So for us, we've been talking about, we've not

01:17:51.140 --> 01:17:52.619
called it career health, we call it career agility

01:17:52.619 --> 01:17:56.720
for the longest time. And I think that I would

01:17:56.720 --> 01:17:58.579
like to paraphrase the government's approach

01:17:58.579 --> 01:18:00.800
to something that's more understandable to all

01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:03.439
our clients. That's how we talk to our clients

01:18:03.439 --> 01:18:07.619
about it and to our listeners out here. Why do

01:18:07.619 --> 01:18:10.050
you stay healthy? in life in just general why

01:18:10.050 --> 01:18:12.829
do we stay healthy so you continue to live well

01:18:12.829 --> 01:18:16.529
yeah you know happy happy and live long long

01:18:16.529 --> 01:18:20.529
yeah I say long so likewise you have to adapt

01:18:20.529 --> 01:18:23.449
mindset that the goal of career health is sustainability

01:18:23.449 --> 01:18:26.770
correct career sustainability career longevity

01:18:26.770 --> 01:18:29.430
right to continue working until the day you want

01:18:29.430 --> 01:18:32.590
to say hang up your boots screw it I'm done I'm

01:18:32.590 --> 01:18:36.670
done yeah so So being in charge of your career,

01:18:36.770 --> 01:18:38.890
having career longevity, and in the meantime,

01:18:38.930 --> 01:18:40.069
being able to do the things that you want to

01:18:40.069 --> 01:18:42.029
do without hurting yourself. Right. And being

01:18:42.029 --> 01:18:44.770
resilient. Okay. So all these elements come into

01:18:44.770 --> 01:18:46.569
play. That's why the analogy for career health

01:18:46.569 --> 01:18:49.189
is perfect, but the understanding isn't. So I

01:18:49.189 --> 01:18:51.050
would say that if you want to have good career

01:18:51.050 --> 01:18:53.170
health, you got to start talking about what are

01:18:53.170 --> 01:18:55.130
the things I can do? What are the things I can't

01:18:55.130 --> 01:18:57.770
do? Right. How do I get stronger in some places?

01:18:57.850 --> 01:18:59.829
It's like my gym instructor used to tell me,

01:18:59.869 --> 01:19:01.699
you know, it's not enough to be strong. Right.

01:19:01.859 --> 01:19:03.560
You have to be toned, you have to be flexible

01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:05.640
because if you're strong and not flexible, you'll

01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:07.659
pop something if you're not. Ah, yeah. Sounds

01:19:07.659 --> 01:19:09.979
like, sounds familiar, man. Sounds familiar.

01:19:10.100 --> 01:19:11.779
Thank you very much for bringing that up. Ah,

01:19:11.859 --> 01:19:13.420
so he says that, you know, everything else has

01:19:13.420 --> 01:19:15.640
to be, has to be a holistic approach. Right,

01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:18.020
right. So it's not just enough to be. skill in

01:19:18.020 --> 01:19:19.760
one area, you know, you need to know how to be

01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:24.220
resilient. Yeah. You need to know how to manage

01:19:24.220 --> 01:19:26.060
upwards, how to manage your teammates and everything,

01:19:26.180 --> 01:19:29.699
how to continue being relevant, use technology.

01:19:30.020 --> 01:19:32.699
So career health is all encompassing. Right.

01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:35.699
And we need to look at it. So a lot of times

01:19:35.699 --> 01:19:39.760
there's a lot of work. nice buzzwords and platitudes.

01:19:40.060 --> 01:19:41.899
Like, you know, you must make sure you enjoy

01:19:41.899 --> 01:19:43.539
a good career health. But the question is, what

01:19:43.539 --> 01:19:46.140
is career health? And we need to stop and start

01:19:46.140 --> 01:19:48.779
thinking about what is career health. And I think

01:19:48.779 --> 01:19:51.699
it's important that we are looking at it. But

01:19:51.699 --> 01:19:54.579
then how do you measure career health? Yeah.

01:19:54.779 --> 01:19:56.579
How do you measure career health? I mean, if

01:19:56.579 --> 01:19:58.399
I just have your blood pressure, you've got your

01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:00.460
everything. How do you measure career health,

01:20:00.539 --> 01:20:03.640
right? So that's why we actually developed, as

01:20:03.640 --> 01:20:06.659
I said, an AI. that helps to at least give you

01:20:06.659 --> 01:20:09.340
a baseline. I'm going to do a pitch here. It's

01:20:09.340 --> 01:20:12.220
called, it's at coachcarroll .ai. Okay. Okay,

01:20:12.260 --> 01:20:15.300
where you do a 30 question test and your results

01:20:15.300 --> 01:20:18.979
are out in what we like to call a blood work

01:20:18.979 --> 01:20:22.659
format where all the indicators of career health

01:20:22.659 --> 01:20:24.079
are there. So you can have a chat and say, look,

01:20:24.119 --> 01:20:26.300
maybe you're just not happy with your work -life

01:20:26.300 --> 01:20:28.600
balance. Maybe you're not happy with your salary.

01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:30.859
So these are areas which highlight and then you

01:20:30.859 --> 01:20:32.439
can start talking about that element of your

01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:36.460
career health with your coach. or with our AI

01:20:36.460 --> 01:20:41.420
career bot. So ultimately, I think we need to

01:20:41.420 --> 01:20:44.119
step back and look holistically and measure it

01:20:44.119 --> 01:20:49.060
and see what is the thing that's causing us either

01:20:49.060 --> 01:20:53.340
pain or is a threat to our career longevity and

01:20:53.340 --> 01:20:56.180
not be in long run. Yeah. Because sometimes it's

01:20:56.180 --> 01:20:59.539
work -life balance. You know, sometimes when

01:20:59.539 --> 01:21:02.079
we have these conversations, man, I... Sometimes

01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:03.960
I find it hard, a little bit difficult to relate,

01:21:04.220 --> 01:21:06.920
you know, because I've never worked for anyone.

01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:10.260
So it's very hard. That's a wonderful blessing

01:21:10.260 --> 01:21:15.960
to have. I can only surmise, you know, and assume,

01:21:16.100 --> 01:21:20.640
only through my dealings with corporate office,

01:21:20.859 --> 01:21:25.439
you know, then I can only make assumptions from

01:21:25.439 --> 01:21:27.539
what I've listened to, what people share and

01:21:27.539 --> 01:21:29.220
all that kind of stuff. But I've never gone through

01:21:29.220 --> 01:21:32.100
it. never been through it. You know, so it's,

01:21:32.100 --> 01:21:34.020
when you talk about career health and all that,

01:21:34.039 --> 01:21:36.619
to me, it's quite alien. No, but in terms of

01:21:36.619 --> 01:21:40.579
you being able to be agile, you know, to push

01:21:40.579 --> 01:21:44.659
sales and to hit, you know, to operate a business.

01:21:44.779 --> 01:21:47.279
So, the very fact that you're thriving means

01:21:47.279 --> 01:21:49.640
that your career is pretty good. I do. But the

01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:51.399
big question, once again, is the longevity and

01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:52.939
that's why we're here doing this. longevity.

01:21:53.460 --> 01:21:56.140
It's longevity because even for individuals,

01:21:56.720 --> 01:21:59.880
But I think at different stages in life, you

01:21:59.880 --> 01:22:02.279
end up feeling different about different things.

01:22:02.340 --> 01:22:05.920
Yes. Like, you know, we talked about this before,

01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:08.800
you get several epiphanies in life, you know,

01:22:08.840 --> 01:22:12.439
that there are things that's more important than

01:22:12.439 --> 01:22:16.479
just looking at your ambitions and your career.

01:22:16.500 --> 01:22:17.739
You might just wake up one morning and realize

01:22:17.739 --> 01:22:20.199
that shit per dollar is not worth it. Yeah. Okay,

01:22:20.220 --> 01:22:22.970
yeah. But then again, what happens if you need

01:22:22.970 --> 01:22:25.449
it, man? Then you suck it up by the cup and just...

01:22:25.449 --> 01:22:27.729
Suck it up by the cup. That's funny. You hear

01:22:27.729 --> 01:22:30.649
that one a long time. Shucks. Where did it come

01:22:30.649 --> 01:22:33.250
from? Sesame Street. I don't think so. Was it

01:22:33.250 --> 01:22:36.109
suck... Maybe in Sesame Street you could suck

01:22:36.109 --> 01:22:41.170
it up by the cup. But seriously, okay, quit whining

01:22:41.170 --> 01:22:43.989
and get... There's some advisors who tell me,

01:22:44.050 --> 01:22:47.409
you know, quit whining and get shit done. That's

01:22:47.409 --> 01:22:50.350
what I tell my kids as well. Yeah. Just get it

01:22:50.350 --> 01:22:52.630
done. Just do it. Just do it. Someone else will

01:22:52.630 --> 01:22:54.609
do it for you. Someone else is going to do it.

01:22:54.609 --> 01:22:56.710
Someone hungrier will do it for you and that's

01:22:56.710 --> 01:22:58.970
it. Yeah. I mean, you can even take the next

01:22:58.970 --> 01:23:01.729
three, five years and then, you know, work hard

01:23:01.729 --> 01:23:03.930
at it and then see where you go from there. And

01:23:03.930 --> 01:23:06.170
that's really funny because I remember this internet

01:23:06.170 --> 01:23:08.789
meme. Yeah. It shows this very successful looking

01:23:08.789 --> 01:23:10.970
guy in front of his Lamborghini and it says,

01:23:11.029 --> 01:23:13.949
my boss tells me that if I work really hard for

01:23:13.949 --> 01:23:16.989
the next three years, he can afford another Lamborghini.

01:23:21.400 --> 01:23:23.560
That's a sucky part of my life. That's a sucky

01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:25.399
part of my life, right? Let's not do your point.

01:23:25.460 --> 01:23:27.800
You got to be that guy. You got to be that guy.

01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:30.119
How do you be that guy? How do you be that guy?

01:23:30.500 --> 01:23:32.159
The harder you work, like what you said earlier,

01:23:32.260 --> 01:23:34.720
the more responsibility is being pushed on you.

01:23:34.720 --> 01:23:37.119
Yeah, man. And then, therefore, you know, if

01:23:37.119 --> 01:23:41.079
I were to work that hard. So, one of my reasons

01:23:41.079 --> 01:23:44.500
why I do the business is because, or started

01:23:44.500 --> 01:23:47.199
a business is because If I'm working that hard

01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:51.000
to earn this amount of money, if I work that

01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:54.840
hard for myself, the quantum is a lot better.

01:23:55.039 --> 01:23:57.279
Or even if it isn't initially, if it's really

01:23:57.279 --> 01:24:02.340
half, it's my money. It's my money. So I think

01:24:02.340 --> 01:24:05.359
everyone should have a gig, side gig. Everyone

01:24:05.359 --> 01:24:07.180
should have a side hustle. You never know when

01:24:07.180 --> 01:24:09.500
the side hustle is going to become a big one.

01:24:10.140 --> 01:24:13.020
Yeah, that's true. But sometimes, you know, some

01:24:13.020 --> 01:24:15.100
people's side hustle really, you know, for a

01:24:15.100 --> 01:24:17.699
fact, will not get you anywhere too. Sometimes.

01:24:18.039 --> 01:24:20.399
There are some. But some side hustles are not

01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:21.920
meant for money. Some side hustles are meant

01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:26.140
for fun. Yeah. And feeds the soul while your

01:24:26.140 --> 01:24:30.930
day job jets, day job pays the bills. So, it

01:24:30.930 --> 01:24:32.989
depends. Okay, talking a lot about meanness in

01:24:32.989 --> 01:24:36.109
this episode. Yeah, okay then. It's all about

01:24:36.109 --> 01:24:38.529
you, isn't it? This whole show is all about you.

01:24:38.550 --> 01:24:39.810
Should we just call it the Chris Hansen Show?

01:24:40.029 --> 01:24:42.210
It is called the Chris Hansen... It is the Chris

01:24:42.210 --> 01:24:44.210
Hansen Conversation. No, no, it's all about the

01:24:44.210 --> 01:24:47.850
Chris Hansen Conversation. But thanks very much,

01:24:47.869 --> 01:24:50.210
man. I mean, I appreciate all the candor. As

01:24:50.210 --> 01:24:52.670
usual. As usual. Yeah, I really appreciate that.

01:24:52.750 --> 01:24:56.109
I mean, okay. It's still a conundrum. We didn't

01:24:56.109 --> 01:24:58.130
really answer the question, frankly. It's still

01:24:58.130 --> 01:25:00.090
a conundrum. It is. Yeah. And it's something

01:25:00.090 --> 01:25:03.510
that it's up to the individual, you know, individually

01:25:03.510 --> 01:25:06.250
to decide whether or not you, if you have, you

01:25:06.250 --> 01:25:08.109
said it correctly at the very start of the show.

01:25:08.369 --> 01:25:11.390
If you've got an idea, don't waste time. Go get

01:25:11.390 --> 01:25:13.869
it done. Just do it. You know, if you really

01:25:13.869 --> 01:25:16.750
believe in an idea, just go do it because someone

01:25:16.750 --> 01:25:19.229
else is going to do it. Somebody else is going

01:25:19.229 --> 01:25:20.449
to think about it. Somebody's going to beat you.

01:25:20.470 --> 01:25:22.560
Somebody's going to beat you. Yeah. You know,

01:25:22.579 --> 01:25:24.800
and it's really up to the individual, man. But

01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:26.680
if you're so young and you haven't a clue and

01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:28.399
you're so young and stupid like we all were,

01:25:28.520 --> 01:25:32.939
then get a job. Get a real job. And suck it up.

01:25:32.979 --> 01:25:36.279
Suck it up, buttercup. That should be the moral.

01:25:36.699 --> 01:25:38.600
That's the story. One more time. One, two, three.

01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:44.060
Suck it up, buttercup. Yeah. Thanks, bro. We

01:25:44.060 --> 01:25:48.140
got to close shop now. It's been a long time

01:25:48.140 --> 01:25:50.520
we've been talking, but thanks, bro. Really appreciate

01:25:50.520 --> 01:25:54.159
it, bro. Captain Careers, everybody. If you really

01:25:54.159 --> 01:25:55.880
need some advice, all you need to do is just

01:25:55.880 --> 01:25:59.000
head down and catch Agent Joe at Career Agility

01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:01.960
International, and he will straighten your shit

01:26:01.960 --> 01:26:07.829
out. And we're really just we're going to keep

01:26:07.829 --> 01:26:10.970
moving along, people. And a couple of more episodes

01:26:10.970 --> 01:26:14.369
to go before we close season five of the Chris

01:26:14.369 --> 01:26:18.550
Henson conversation. And until next time, until

01:26:18.550 --> 01:26:22.569
the next episode, stay safe. Bye bye. The Chris

01:26:22.569 --> 01:26:26.130
Henson conversation. No scripts, no filters,

01:26:26.270 --> 01:26:29.569
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01:26:29.569 --> 01:26:30.510
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