When we talk about being smacked around, I mean for ladies, right? I just want to understand this.
When you're standing before, you know, before you got into this,
into this, can I call it a hobby? Yeah, you can. Okay, standing by ringside and watching the
something going on, the clobbering going on in the ring. And I mean, doesn't it like frighten you?
No. Okay, so we have two persons in camera. Clever. I love Kai so much, you know.
What would the hell would I do without Kai? Causeway Jam. Okay, okay. I just saw that on his t-shirt.
Yes. Did you see mine? Did you see mine? Ban mien.
I know there's a Prata version also. Oh yes, I have that too. Okay. But it's in white. I look
terrible in white. So I never want to wear white. Cause I look really awful in white.
My what? Oh, my Balacan gila shirt. Balenciaga. I love this kind of shit, you know.
You know something, I just keep wondering about, I've been wondering about this. I looked at your
videos and I looked at your promos and stuff. And then I realized that, hey, you know, I mean, come
on. I just cannot help marveling. Now, of course I've watched WWE. I've watched Trish Stratus. I
watched through the years, man. Even when I was in what? In primary school. Not primary school?
Yeah. No, secondary school to be fair. Okay. And then I watched the old WWF and I see all the women,
you know, in wrestling and stuff. You know, yeah, sure. You know, it's kind of common, but
in Singapore, well, that's something that I still need to wrap my head around.
Well, that was one hell of a collective.
Okay. So, and yeah, you know, and I keep wondering about this thing. How is it that in this country,
there are a school of, I'm going to get screwed by a lot of woke Karens here. I shouldn't say a
school, a bevy of women who actually do this. And in the studio, I have the two of you. And thank
you for coming. You must be informed though that this is the season premiere for our season five of
the Chris Hansen conversation. And thanks for being here. And we have got, ladies and gentlemen,
we have got two ladies who are female wrestlers in Singapore for a Singapore wrestling. How shall I
describe, how shall I describe this? A Singapore wrestling group outfit, outfit, division, division.
Division. Okay. Promotion. Okay. Okay. Thanks for educating me. I need to know that. So it is a local
Singapore based wrestling promotion called grapple max that you guys are part of. And I'm still
trying again, as I said, wrap my head around. How is it that there are, and quite a number of you
involved, ladies involved in this. So let me just get started. Shall we? What drew you to this world?
Open to the floor, open to the floor. No hard and fast rules. We're having a chat. Okay. It's
not for me. Right. Okay. So I like watching wrestling, like anime and comic when I was a kid.
There's wrestling and anime. Yes. Where the hell have I been? Okay. The one I watched,
it's more famous in Japan, but it's not as well known in Singapore or other part of Asia. It's
called Kinikuman. Kinikuman. Directly translated to muscle man. To muscle man. Yeah. So it is
basically just a lot of people with super power and doing pro wrestling matches. Okay. Yes. Sounds
a bit like Pokemon too. Okay. Kind of. There's many different characters. Some looks like humans,
some looks like monsters. Okay. Yeah. So it's very interesting. I've been watching that as a,
since primary school. Right. And then after that I start watching another anime called Tiger Mask W.
Okay. You know Tiger Mask? No, I don't. Okay. So the Japan side. We need to educate him. No,
no. It's not just about it being in Japan. Yeah. The very fact that I'm an old man. Yeah. Okay.
Cause I don't really watch WE side, but I watch more on Japan side. Oh, okay. So I watch Tiger
Mask W, which is an anime. Okay. Then I start knowing all the new Japan wrestler and Tiger Mask.
So then I start watching new Japan pro wrestling. Uh huh. And then after that I start to go. Pro
wrestling as in the actual thing. Yeah. Yeah. Not anime, people. No longer anime. Okay. Moving
on from anime to actual wrestling. Okay. All right. Yeah. Singapore actually have wrestling. So I went
to watch some shows and then last time that was, I was in poly. Uh huh. So my poly lecturer, he was
a pro wrestling fan. And then, so I keep seeing him in the shows. When I go to the shows. We're
talking about Singapore pro wrestling fan. Yes. Your lecturer. Yeah. My poly lecturer. Your poly
telly. Wow. Okay. So that's quite cool. Yeah. So I just asked my lecturer. So that time actually I
went to watch a SCW show. It was ladies night. Sorry. Yeah. Uh, too many abbreviations. It's so
Singapore, you know, P I E K P E T P E. What SCW? SPW. SPW. What's that sign for? Uh, Singapore pro
wrestling. Okay. Thank you very much for clearing that one up. Call me old. It's okay. It's okay.
Right. So, okay. Singapore pro wrestling, SPW. Yeah. It's a long story. So yeah. No, no, it's
fine. Go on. I like long stories. Okay. Tell me more. So, uh, that, that event was called ladies
night. I remember. So they invited all the female wrestlers from different countries. I found
Japan from other countries. So I think the cast on the night is, I think it's all females. Right.
So I watched that show. I'm like, Oh, my open vessel. It's fire. Really? I mean, wouldn't you
have gone, Oh, ouch. Not really. I see, uh, like Mitsuki Sarah, you know, Mitsuki. Yeah. So she
is a pro wrestler from Tokyo, just see pro wrestling. So I watched her man. Oh my gosh.
She's so amazing. I watched like all the shows that I really admire them. So I asked my poly
lecturer cause he also went to that show. I asked him, uh, have you, anywhere I can learn to be a
pro wrestler. And then he directed me to grab a max. Really? Yeah. So you're, you got drawn to
this because this is something that you grew into a passion for you from since you were young,
kind of young comic. I mean, I mean, get this wrong. I'm 25 this year. Okay. That wasn't long
ago then 24, 25. Okay. How about you, Sarah? Well, pretty much my friend asked me to try out at
grapple max and I did. Your friend asked you to try out. Yeah. There must be a reason why. Oh,
because I do like to try a lot of things in Singapore. Like I will review activities and
whatnot. Uh, I do a lot of adventures and then so they taught I figured would be like, it's a good
adventure in a way to try out wrestling. Okay. I'm just open to all these. I mean, I'm glad that
you're so open to all these activities. A lot of people would say, okay, you know, let's go and see
what else I can do. Okay. Fine. As far as adventure, there's reverse bungee. That is bungee.
You've done that too. No, but I've done the other stuff because that's expensive.
So you're, you're, you're, you're a thrill seeker. Not true seeker. I just want to show that Singapore
isn't boring, but it is boring. It's not. It's not the people, the people are the people.
The people are the one who makes it boring. You can be anywhere in the world. Yeah. Yeah. People
are boring because it's because they're bored. They're boring because they don't know what to do.
So you've got to make your own next. So, okay. So if, if, if, so if, uh, if there's a board
Singaporean out there, he should go join wrestling. Yeah. Yeah. Join wrestling or watch us wrestle.
Oh, wow. What a promo. Okay. Uh, you know what? I, I, I, I'm, I'm doing a different format this time
around. Usually I will introduce my guests at the beginning, but I like to have chats first,
you know, and this time around for this season, I'm, I'm working that way. Um, I have with me
Mingri and Sarah, believe it or not, she has this name, Sarah cohort. Ahoy.
Ahoy. I'm going to get to that thing too. That ahoy thing you've just done. Right. Right. So
Mingri is your real name. Yes. You don't have a ring name. Ah, that's what you call it.
Ring name. I mean, look, look at what I've got there. I mean, I've got a rock, Duane.
I've got, I've got Steve Austin and I've got AJ Styles, right? And they all belong to my son,
by the way. So, so I borrowed them left it there since I have the two of you here, but you don't
have a ring name. Uh, actually I have come up with one ring name and you mean just, uh, I think this
year, have you announced this year's in 2025? Yeah. We always keep on growing to see what fits
us. Oh, great. So has anyone heard of this new name yet? Uh, I changed my social media account.
Okay. But, but, but officially no one's heard of it yet. It's going to be the first time on this show
that you can be saying it. I think so. Will you be announcing it here? Can you announce it here?
Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Okay. Mingri, what is your new ring name? Okay. My new ring name is going to
be Radiant Ray. Radiant Ray. Radiant Ray. Okay. Has a ring to it. Okay. And why? Uh, I think it's the
image I'm trying to go for is kind of vibrant, energetic kind of ring name. And then I asked my
friend who work in, also working in professional industry to help me think about ring names. And
then he give me this. I'm like, okay, this sounds, okay, this sounds good. Okay. So Sarah, coming
back to you, you said your friend totally give it a shot. You gave it a shot. You enjoy it. Yeah.
Right. You like it. Okay. How long have you been doing it for? Well, I can't remember. I only
debuted and I think it was 2022 around there, right? Just about two years and a bit ago. Yeah.
Because I remember it was after COVID. Right. Yeah. And so it's been that, it's just been a short
while. Yeah, it has been a short while. And you're still going at it, right? Because it's been a short while.
So do you foresee yourself still going further? Well, I need to improve myself more and more
people need to see me. They have not yet. So, okay. So this can't be your day job for sure, right?
I wish it was. Really? You enjoy it that much? More like, well, if you get paid for smacking people around,
wouldn't you want it? No. Because I'm pretty sure that when you smack someone around, you get smacked too.
I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, do you get smacked? Yeah. Okay. There you go. And so if this is the
case, then you do it. You said it's been a short while. You enjoy, you know, the opportunity of
smacking people around. For the both of you, when we talk about being smacked around, I mean, for
ladies, right? I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm not, I am not sexist. I am not. I am not a misogynist.
Okay. But I just want to understand this. When you're standing before, you know, before you got
into this, into this, can I call it a hobby? Yeah, you can. Okay. That you, you, you getting into this
hobby before getting into it, standing by ringside and watching the something going on, the club ring
going on on, on, on the ring or in the ring, in the ring, in the ring. Um, and I mean, doesn't it
like frighten you? No. Really? Why should it frighten you? I mean, I mean, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
I have done a lot of things in my life. Yeah. I mean, behind the microphone is what I'm talking
about. Um, the very first time UFC came to Singapore, right? In the form of this brand
called the king of the cage. I was the first announcer. Okay. I announced for, uh, I was
the first announcer. Okay. I announced for, uh, I think 13 amateur boxing bouts, uh, and the
world heavyweight Muay Thai championships. Okay. I have stood by ringside and I hear bone on bone
and I go, holy shit, man. I mean, that's, whoa, no way. Right. And in, and the people, the fair sex,
I would assume that by standing by watching all this, it could be quite a frightening affair.
Right. I think that UFC is way more scary. Yeah. UFC is scary for everyone. It's a different kind
of sport. Okay. Yeah. Pro wrestling is different from UFC. It's different techniques. Okay. So
you're saying that one is certainly more violent, but yours is entertainment. Yes. Okay. So it's
really is. So it's not a match. These are not matches. These are shows. Uh, you are in matches,
but all the matches are in a show. So it's part, the matches are part of a show. Yes. And these
matches, you guys go for training. I'm pretty sure. Yes, definitely. And when you train, you train to,
um, you train to choreograph moves. No, we train to be safe. Okay. Because the moves aren't actually
choreographed. Yeah. We know the techniques. Okay. Yes. Can you guys cite an example for me?
A scoop slam. Oh yeah. Yeah. What's that? A scoop slam. Scoop slam. Yeah. When you pick up someone
and throw them down. You can do that. Yes, but not in your studio. Yeah. Yeah. Please not in my
studio. It's too cramped. Too many, too many equipment lying around. Uh, okay. So, so you
scoop slam someone. It's a technique. Yes. So more so for the person receiving it. Uh, no, both of
them have to work together. Okay. Yeah. Right. So, so all these things are, so it's not choreographed.
The match is not choreographed. Someone's got to be a heel, the bad guy, and someone's got to be the
face, the good guy. Well, sometimes we're in like the Japanese style of wrestling where you don't
really have a heel-heel. Oh, if people don't know what a heel is, that's like a villain. And a face
is like the hero, by the way. Bad guy, good guy. Yeah, bad guy, good guy. Okay. Uh, sometimes they
don't have a heel-heel in the same match or a face-face. Sometimes they could be face-face,
face-heel, heel-heel, you know, the combination is different. Right. Right. Yeah. It doesn't have to
be that way. Yeah. But there is a storyline. Yes, there is a storyline. So, so it's a show.
The whole thing is a show concept. Yes, a show concept. Okay. And both, and, but you choreograph,
do you guys choreograph the match in a way, uh, or matches in a way where,
uh, you know the outcomes, you know, who's gonna, on which round you're gonna have a pinfall.
Uh, that is up to the creative side. So there's, there's, so there's a producer for that. Yes,
there is a producer, of course. Okay. So that one sounds fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, from a
creative perspective and from, from me being a guy in media, me being a guy who's an entertainer,
I mean, it sounds fun. It is. You're putting on a storyline, putting on a show, but it's physical.
Yeah. Okay. What's the craziest thing you guys, and both of you, it's open to both of you, okay.
Have you ever done, you know, like flying off the top turnbuckle, stuff like that. I say, I sound like,
I sound like a guy from G, WWE doing announcements or doing, you know, commentaries right there.
Then you go to the top turnbuckle. What's your definition of craziest? I don't know, man. I'm
leaving it to you. What have you done? What to you is your craziest thing? Do we have it down any?
No, to you. What's your craziest thing? To me, or I have thought, or I think it's a crazy thing that
I haven't done yet. What? Like, okay. I, the, can I say things that I'm not done yet, but just think
I want to do that. Let's talk about the craziest thing you've done so far and what you're thinking
of doing next. Haven't done any crazy thing so far. AFA. Okay. I think it was cool, but it's not
crazy. The match was very, okay. The most memorable, you can see what's the most memorable.
Most memorable, I think it's the AFA. That's anime festival Asia. Right. Yeah. And you guys had a
show going on for that festival. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And what did you do? The wrestle. The two of you.
Yeah. Against each other. Yeah. Okay. Okay. But the memorable thing is that since it was at AFA,
you could see a lot of the audience were in cosplay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And pretty much all
the Japanese culture fans. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people are so into that, man.
Yeah. I go absolutely gaga when I go down these sort of things. I just happen to be in the fridge
in the fringes of Suntech City, right? Yeah. I see people dressed up and I go, Oh God, you kidding
me, man? I mean, a hundred points to, you know, for courage to do all that and all the passion
they have. Like you guys, passion in what you do. So, what's the biggest misconception people here
have about female wrestlers? I don't know, but I know the biggest misconception they have in wrestling
in general is that it has to be tough or it has to hurt. Yeah. No, it's all safe. It's supposed to
be safe. Okay. It's supposed to be safe and it just looks dramatic. It's drama. But that's wrestling
on a whole in general. But how about what misconceptions about females in wrestling? Have
you encountered any anyone or any people who said something to you about, you know, about your role?
The audience so far are actually pretty supportive because they probably know we can smack them.
Why would you comment anything in front of the person's face? No, no, no. Even friends, family,
for example. Yeah. Have they said anything to you about your role in wrestling? Not really. Yeah.
Not really because I've always said I do. Because you can smack them too. No. I've done all these
different adventures and so far pro wrestling is actually one of the safer ones. Seriously? Yeah.
I've done other sports. Holy shit. Okay. But you have got to really, really train for this, right?
You've got to have a certain amount of athleticism. So what do you guys have got to go through in your
training to get you there? Well, anyone can start. Anyone really can start at whatever your health.
I mean, it's got to be physically demanding to some level. Yeah. But if they want to try pro wrestling,
they can. I mean, I wasn't the fittest ever, but I could see what I wanted to get to that level.
Okay. Wait. Stop there. You said the word I wasn't the fittest. So let's say, for example,
in a hypothesis, right? Now you know Singapore is going to be the activist G. Stay active, blah, blah,
blah. Yeah. If you want to, do you think you'll be, you'll be, you'll be workable, acceptable
to go out and say, hey ladies in Singapore, you know, you go for your yoga, you go for your Zumba,
you go for all that, you go for your spin classes. There's another way for you to get fit
and stay safe at the same time. It's safe, but get fit. Yeah. Why don't you try pro wrestling?
Yeah. That's the whole point. So you guys really advocate for that? Yeah. We have done that.
How has it impacted you positively in terms of your fitness since you guys embarked?
You want to start first? Okay, sure. So honestly, I hate sports as a kid. So I really not great at
sports stuff and yeah, I hate running too, but wrestling is the only kind of like sports thing
that I enjoy doing. It really helped me with my mobility and stamina a lot and also strength,
of course. Like, yeah. Have you improved? Have you seen yourself? Can you testify to the fact
that you have got fitter? Yeah, I have definitely got fitter. And stronger. Yes. Okay. Yeah. I
couldn't do a handstand last time. There's no way I could do a handstand, but I can do a handstand
now. Yeah. Yeah. Can you do a handstand? No. I mean, I'm not ashamed to say that. No way.
No, man. I can stand on my feet though. Can you do that? Yeah. Of course you can. Yeah. Okay.
You know, I can't do a handstand. No, no, no. I mean, I'm a gym rat, but I can't do a handstand.
Hey, come on, man. Give me a break. I'm going to be 55 very soon. Oh, we have older members, you know.
Oh, crap. Here we go. Yeah. We have people of all ages. Oh, and really, okay, Chris, you walked
right into that. It's all different. Yeah, you walked right into that. Yeah. You can come and
pro wrestle too. No way. Yes. Yes. Yes. No, no. I value my face too much. Although we cannot
look up by lorry, you need a face, you know. So you advocate for fitness for anyone, for that matter,
of any age group, any gender. That, hey, you know what? There's a fun way for you to keep fit. Yes.
There's a fun way for you to get fit, right? And so why don't you just come and join, you know,
what we do in pro wrestling? Pretty much, yes. If they find, you know, sets too repetitive,
like in gyms, like you have to do the specific set and whatnot. In pro wrestling, at least,
there's sort of like, you learn techniques also. Right. It's not like MMA. They also learn techniques,
but we have techniques with drama. So if you like drama and you add the physical training expect,
then it's fun. So you see, you mentioned drama. So if that's the case, it should come with some
acting training as well. It does. No. It does. No, come on. It does. No, get out of here, man.
So if you really like drama with PE, come join pro wrestling. Drama with PE? Yeah. Drama with PE.
Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about the drama bit. So there is someone, some people who actually teach
you the drama bit. Well, we have our instructors. It's not like a physical, okay. They're not
theater trainers or something like that. Some of them are kind of actually. Yeah. But it's not like
everyone let's sit down. Okay. Show me your sad face. No, it's not like that. Okay. This is your
cup. This is your favorite cup. Feel your cup. Nothing like that. Well, we had a workshop like
that before. Yeah, we had a workshop. But they do incorporate it with the physical expect. So they
teach us how are you supposed to respond to the emotions if you're getting a win, if you're getting
defeated on anything like that. Oh, wait a second. You know, I think we may have something like that
here. Just to play. You know, Kai? Yeah. There's a video called Sarah versus Ming Rui vid. No, no,
no, no, no. Sorry. Match promo. The match promo vid. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. These two crazy
people actually fought each other. This one? Can you play that one, please? Ahoy! Oh, so loud. It's Sarah.
And it's been a while since I've been tested in a singles match. And this time it's against you,
Ming Rui. We've been training together since the beginning. And while you have the heart of a lion,
I'm as strong as an anger, which is why last year at Bushiro Expo, I defeated... Holy crap, what was that?
Hey, I'm Ming Rui, the big lion of Peppermax. Last year at Bushiro Expo, I have beaten you as well.
Sarah, we have trained together for a long time. But at MP5.5, we'll find out who is the better wrestler.
And that will be me. Raise the anchors and let's set sail. A storm is coming for you. Once you step
into the ring, you are in my territory. Come at me and become the lion's prey. See you at MP5.5.
Of MP5.5. MP5, okay. Yes, MP5 is like one of the show brands under Grapple Max. No, no, no, no, no.
So you guys actually know how to dramatize that. Yes. Okay. How many takes do you have to do?
I think that one, we already knew the content. So it was around four. Okay. Because we needed to
get the positioning right also. Okay, okay, okay. Okay. Well, that was kind of fun though.
So I saw the scoop. Was that a scoop slam? That was, yes. I think you did scoop slam me.
Yeah. There was a spear. Yes, that's definitely it. Yeah. I can't just, I always remember the WWE
commentators, right? They go, spear, spear. Definitely. Wow, that's kind of fun though.
See, you could join pro wrestling. No, no, no. Just go and watch, man. Damn it. So who won,
who won MP5? Oh, MP5.5. For episode five, I mean, yeah, it was me.
And what's this thing about? What's this thing about Ahoy? Ahoy. It's because I'm a pirate.
Yeah, I am a pirate in this universe. Okay, in this universe. In this Grapple Max universe.
I'm a pirate with my tech team partner, Christian. We are ships Ahoy. Yeah, yeah. We got a picture
of that one. Can you please put that one up, Kai? Ships Ahoy. It's a video. It's a video. Oh,
okay. So, okay. Just play it. Just play it, man. Fuck that. It's a podcast. We'll give you shit.
Just play it. Okay. It's going to be a lot. Ahoy! I'm Sarah. And I'm Chris. And together we are
ships Ahoy! And we are inviting you to Bell at the Barracks. A mat wrestling show, Sarah.
Where there's no ring, no ropes, and no barriers. Hey, isn't that how we first started together?
No ring, no ring, no barriers. You're right. Our very first match together was on the mat.
And I remember us getting really creative about it. And you guys get to watch that again
by joining us at the grand opening of the Southern Depot at Gilman Barracks. 9 March,
8.30 PM. Check out the description below for details on how to get tickets. Okay, okay. It's
over. It's over. We'll see you there. Yeah, that was over a long time ago. Okay, okay. Wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. There's no barriers, no ring, no mat? No, there is a mat. Wait, wait.
This sounds like a... So, have you guys ever done... Okay, I asked about the craziest things
you guys have ever done before. Yeah. Right. I've not heard about what you intend to do
yet. I've not heard yours yet. So, what's the craziest thing you've done?
The craziest thing? Well, for now, in the previous show, which happened like last night,
yeah, pretty much, it's not as crazy, but I kind of did like at least three times because
people were being flung at me twice in one match. What? What do you mean? Wait, you're talking about
people being flung at you as they're being thrown at you? Yeah, they were like going over the ring.
So, they landed on me for three times. You can't tell me that didn't freaking hurt, right? Come on.
I don't know what to tell you, but I can say that everything is always safe. And I look good when
I'm on the brav vlog. Oh my gosh. I look good. Okay. As long as I look good. Wait, wait, wait.
Stop there. Just say, tell me, did it or did it not hurt? Not really. I mean, I'm catching them.
Oh, you're catching them. It's still going to be a body weight of times three. Yeah, but if you know
how to fall properly, even not in wrestling, even in my other sports, you need to fall properly.
Okay. So, that's the safe way. Now, since you said that, right? So, that's the craziest thing
you've done so far. So far. Okay. I, you know, the old WWE, right? When I was absolutely gaga over it
and I was, and my son as well, crazy. I got two rings for him. Yeah. Well, since he was a kid and
we got about 200 plus figurines like these. That's expensive. Yeah. Yeah. And I took him to watch Raw
a couple of years back and I, and my wife actually took me to watch Smackdown. I shook Batista's hand,
Rey Mysterio and all these guys. But one of the, one of the things that, you know, that I enjoy
watching, it would be the crazy kind of matches like cables, sweaters and chairs. Now,
do you guys have stuff like that? Not at the moment for us, but if you have the budget,
you could buy us those tables and chairs. So, you're saying, so wait, wait, wait a second. So,
you're saying that, I know the tables look flimsy. To me, they are that stupid. The tables are so thin.
You know, you will bleed because you will get cuts. Yeah. Yeah. But the chairs is something I
could never figure out. You know, the chairs, the back of the head, the chairs. Yeah. It's interesting.
Yeah. And the ladders coming down from real high. Oh no, that's actually scary, but yeah.
I mean, how could anyone say to me that there's a safe way of doing things like that, man?
There's always a safe way to fall. But come on, you're falling from a height. Yes. That is
ridiculously high. Yeah. You know, and I've seen these guys do shit like that, right? And no matter
how you have a safe way of landing, I mean, you're going to get, you're going to hurt somehow. You
will feel sore, but you won't, if you do it correctly, you won't be permanently injured.
I'm a wimp. You do not have to do a ladder match. I am a wimp. So what's the craziest
shit that you're planning on doing, man? This year? A ladder match. A ladder? No, maybe a table. Table
sounds okay. A table sounds okay. I mean, are you okay? Have you guys seen a shrink before? I mean,
I don't know. Okay. So, so the table is going to be okay. So what are you planning on doing? Table?
Go through a table? Yeah, I see we have mattresses that, okay, but it's a boys, but they just take a
move and then the table will break into half and they land on it. Yeah. So I got to ask, I got to
ask Greg this when I have him on my show, man. So every time you have a table thing and you break
the freaking table, you got to spend more money on buying another freaking table because you can't,
you can't put the last one back together, right? Holy crap, it's a lot of money there, man.
So we should not have that many table matches or whatnot. Those are only reserved for special events.
Okay. Okay. Okay. So special events will be the one with the higher ticket sales and...
We'll see how it is. I mean, it's up to creative. Okay. Anyway, I'll ask Greg that question when I
have him on the show. Greg is by the way, the boss of Grapple Max Singapore. Yeah. So there's going
to be a lot for me to ask him, especially after this conversation you and I are having. Okay.
What is the most memorable reaction you've ever got from your spectators, man? Or can I call them?
Okay. Hang on a second. So if this is entertainment and it's part, it's physical, it's not a sport,
right? It's sports entertainment. Okay. So sports entertainment. So are these people,
are they called audience or are they called spectators? They can be the audience. I mean,
it's easier for us to understand. So what do you guys call them? Audience or spectators? Audience?
Well, according to last night, I call them peasants, but that's my character. My character, not me.
Peasants, that's my character. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So that's a cold hearted set up. Yeah.
It'll be interesting once you see the dynamics for my matches. Yeah. Okay. So, and what do you do,
what do you guys do for a living, man? I'm pretty sure you got your day jobs. Oh, I'm still
undergraduate and still studying. I'm in my final year currently doing my internship. So I study
game design. Wow. Okay. You mean E games, game developer, game designer. Yeah. So I'm mostly
on like just the design and the art. So I'm also an artist. I wonder if she loves anime and all
that. She's doing stuff she loves, man. And how about you, Sarah? I'm a video producer.
Oh, Hey, Kai, you hear that man? Kai, you need a job? So usually I do create the drama, but this
time I'm in front for the drama at Grapple Man. So you're producing the show. You are in the show.
Yes, pretty much. Okay. So what kind of videos do you produce, man? Dramas. Dramas for the
mainstream channel. Oh, you are in that place. No, I'm not in that place. They always outsource to
other places. Ah, you're commissioned by that place. Yes. Right. Okay. Okay. Oh, cool, man.
We're more or less, not more, less actually a little bit in the same thing. Right. Okay. Okay.
So your day jobs are that and then you do this as well. It's pretty amazing. Well, it's like my day
job is to entertain people and my hobby is to entertain people. I wonder where I come from.
Okay. And so what's the most memorable thing, reaction you've ever got from your audiences?
Peasants. You know, from our last, last match at G-Round CC, we have quite a lot of audience.
Wait a second. You guys actually have matches in the CCs? Yeah. Oh, wow.
Time for you guys to do one in Tampines, huh, man? Let's go. Go and ask your MPs or GRCs about it.
Okay. Minister Masago, you heard that? Okay. Right. And I'm a part of your GRC by the way. Yes.
Yeah. So after the match, then we just walk around and then there's the auntie. She came to me and
she said, she just, uh, well, what is the word that she just left the hospital? Discharge. She
just discharged from hospital to came to watch our show. And she said, and then she told me,
you have gave me a lot of energy. And I so, oh, that's so cool. I'm so happy to hear that.
Yeah. Oh, that's so cool. I think that's really cool. Yeah. Wow. What is something I never expected
when I asked, when I, when it came up with this question, I never expected that, that kind of,
that kind of, you know, answer that. Yeah. That kind of story. I mean, really, I never would,
I never would have have expected it. How about you Sarah? Well, I can give you two perspectives.
When I was a face, uh, a face, which is when you were a good, the good guy. Yeah. When I was a good
guy, uh, I had a lot of people excited to see me. Also, uh, whenever I appeared, all the female
audience were like, Oh my God, that's actually a female wrestler. And they all had this super
happy look on their faces because there's a female in the ring, smacking people around.
They have a specific like, I'm so excited. So that would have been, that would have been
a moment to really advocate to these ladies, right? To come and join in. Oh yeah. Pretty much.
Also children, they all were like happy. And as a heel or bad guy, uh, the audience were also happy
to see me. Uh, yeah, they actually were happy to see me, but they love to react. So currently you're
a heel. Yeah. Just recently, but they love to react to me being a heel now. What do you think?
You mean you enjoy that and you enjoy giving people a, a, a, a sort of an outlet? Yeah. Because
they are also trying to react to me to react to them. So it's, even though it's like a performance,
it's still interaction. Yes. Interaction. People like the interaction. Right. And that's quite fun
because everyone is really entertained by interaction. So how do you develop both,
the both of you right now, you have radiant Ray. I actually kind of like the lion, you know,
I kind of like the lion bit though, but okay. I mean, but you came up with your character. Then
how did you come up with Sarah cold heart? Uh, it's a branding from all my other adventures.
So I just kept it. It's not just for wrestling. If you know my name, you will know where I am
everywhere online. Yes. So it doesn't have to be wrestling. If you like hobbies in Singapore,
you will know who I am. Okay. Okay. I somehow kind of feel inadequate right now, kind of lost.
So why cold heart still? I mean, even though you do hobbies outside, it was just a really,
really old branding. So I just kept it. Really? For something else that you've done? Yeah. Like
writing, like books and everything. Ah, so you're a published author. I'm everything.
Wow. Yeah. Wow. Okay. If you have fun in, uh, hobbies, you will see me because I would always
like to try and also tell people, don't be scared. Try whatever it is and maybe you'll see what you
like. Okay. What's the dynamic like, you know, uh, with the other wrestlers? Is it competitive? Is
it supportive or is it a mix of both? Can we put up a group pic of them please? Kai? Oh,
yeah. Yeah. So it's, yeah. So it's, it's, it's nice to see, you know, it's like a great little
community. Yeah. Okay. But so what's the dynamic like, man? Are you guys like really tight with
each other? We're very supportive. Yeah. Very supportive. You have to be supportive if we are
throwing each other around. It has to be safe. We have to trust each other. Yeah. It's kind of crazy,
right? I mean, you're going to go on, you're going to go into the ring and then you're going to do
all these things to each other and yet keep a straight head in your relationships with,
with each other. I mean, is it, is that quite a challenge? No, you know, we want to support
each other. Like if she's the face, I'm the heel. Right. I want to make her look good.
Same. You know how it goes. Oh, so that's how you see it. So your perspective would be,
I'm going to make you look good. So don't worry about it. Yeah. So I'm going to really be the
asshole here and make you look good. Pretty much. Wow. So it takes quite a lot of a person's
psyche to, to, to just go, you know, okay, today I'm just going to really have everyone really hate
my guts and really show this other person up. Yeah. It's a whole show. You need to see it in a
big perspective that we want the audience to be entertained. They need to know the story.
They need to go like, yes, Ming Ray, she's the hero for this match, but oh no, the heel is
beating her up. Oh no, we, we need to like cheer on Ming Ray. Yeah. Yeah. We help each other. Yes.
Okay. Wow. That's, that's, that's a cool dynamic. So what's the one thing you wish more people
understood or understand about the art of professional wrestling?
That we actually have it in Singapore. So true.
Why do you say that? You, you, you say as if it's really not out there.
No, people always search WWE of course. Yeah. And they don't think we actually have
wrestling in Singapore. Right. Because most of them will just know it's online or on TV.
Okay. Do you a favor? Okay. Yeah. Do you a favor? Okay. You're 67,000 plus subscribers.
We have wrestling in Singapore. We have pro wrestling in Singapore. So don't, if you ever
think we don't just shut the fuck up and say anything. Okay. But tell everyone, if you need
to talk, just tell everyone that, you know, we have pro wrestling in Singapore. There you go.
And, and, and if you don't believe, go and watch that. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah. Okay. So that's one,
what you feel. How about you? For audience, I think a lot of other than what Sarah mentioned,
a lot of people can't tell what's the difference between amateur wrestling and pro wrestling.
So every time I have to explain, this is a, the, what I'm doing is a performance.
The entertainment kind is not the same as amateur wrestling. Yeah. I have to explain that every time
when I tell my friends. Yeah. You mean, you mean, you mean the, the, the, you're kind of young,
right? And your friends are your peers, your contemporaries, they would have known about
WWE. They would have known that it's sports entertainment. Why can't they see the difference
still? What do you think that, why do you think that's the case? Actually, I think more than half
of people don't even know WWE around me. What? Yeah. Where have they been? Mars? But Europe.
I mean, you watched it when it was on TV in Singapore or was it like on cable? It's on,
it's on fucking Netflix now, man. But, but students don't have access to Netflix. Not all students
have access to Netflix unless they really, unless they take it from their families. Yeah.
I mean, yeah. I'm pretty sure kids watch Netflix and Prime and stuff. Yeah, but they're not watching
wrestling specifically and it just came on Netflix. That's really sad, man. I mean,
there's one thing that I bonded with my late dad, you know, for many years, man. I bonded with my
dad from the Hulk Hogan era, you know, from Hogan down to Ric Flair down there, The Undertaker when
he was a lot younger. Oh, definitely. Maybe The First Undertaker because I don't believe they're
the same guy. Anyway. What? I really don't believe they're the same guys. No way. Really, there's no
way, man. And the ultimate warrior. And then after that, then I bonded with my son over WWE. We
really did. I mean, I mean, he was teaching me about who the new guys are and he was going
nuts over AJ Styles. Right. You know? And I went with him and you should have seen my kid, man.
He was standing on the chair like, whoa! It was quite something. I had a lot of fun. And I think
it's a great, I mean, at least again, I'm not sexist, but it just so happened this is the case.
Between dad and son, you know, it's a great bonding experience. Or, you know, just going
through watching, even if it's going to be on TV, you know, watching wrestling. And there are two
different sets of generations of wrestlers that we've been through and then the ones that he's
going through, you know? And I think it's a fantastic thing, really. And if we have the
Singapore version, right, like what you guys are doing, I mean, well, yeah, why the hell not, right?
For people to try and find out more, right? We have our own version of sports entertainment in
Singapore. Tell me about this. Is there anything surprising that you've discovered about yourself
or learned about yourself since you started wrestling?
I can do a handstand.
Yeah.
You know, this handstand thing is getting to me, man.
It's difficult, you know.
I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is. I mean, I'm not saying it's easy because I can never freaking do it, man.
The effort to do a handstand is like so difficult.
Yeah. Can you do a handstand?
Yes, I can now.
Holy shit.
You can do a handstand.
Really?
It's more of the progression to get to that handstand is so difficult.
Handstand against the wall or handstand without a wall?
We don't do it without a wall.
But kind of both. Handstand rolls, you kind of handstand and then you roll.
You need to roll, you need to handstand and roll back.
Physically, you discovered, hey, I can do a handstand.
But is anything else besides anything physical that you've grown? How about, you know, in terms
of you as a person, have you grown? Has it helped you in any way? How?
If I can do a handstand, I could do anything.
I can see where this is going. I can never get around a handstand thing. Okay. Okay. Okay.
What are your thoughts on the portrayal of women in mainstream wrestling media?
Well, right now, they're pretty okay. As in, if you've seen WWE style, they're really on the rise.
You can see different body types, different storylines. I like Rhea Ripley.
You mean different body types now? What do you mean? You mean now you got the, you got the,
you got, they're not the, the va va va vroom. No. I ain't watching it no more.
You have so many diverse types now, which is why it's fun to watch.
I'm going to get slined by a lot of Karens out there just because of what I said.
But come on, there's got to be the sex appeal, right? Yeah. But it means also you can have more
types. It doesn't have to be one type now. Okay. Yes. Yes. Okay. Okay. So that's the fun of it.
Everyone is different. So you are saying that today, even the WWE has improved in the way they
portray women, right? That means all shapes and sizes that can come in and do this. Okay. Okay.
So you still feel that more women should join the wrestling fraternity? Yep. Yeah. Definitely.
They need to find the joy of handstands. Or at least you know, pro wrestling.
I'm so going to change the title of this episode. This is going to be called the,
you can do a handstand too episode. Wow. You know what? You guys are so strange, man. How long have
we been talking? Actually quite some time. And since we've been chatting, since we started talking,
right? I've covered almost everything. Oh, yeah. So what's your dream? What's your dream for
pro wrestling in Singapore? Well, I do want more women to join our pro wrestling division
because it'll be fun to have more women. And how many do you have now?
Three. No, we don't have three. We have more. We have more. We have more.
We're already in the roster. Did you fight last night? Did you have a match last night? Yeah.
You got hit in the head something. Three. There's no way there's three. There's two of you
and one more that's not here. There's no way. I've seen the roster. In the roster?
We have other trainees also. I think it should be like, okay, around five or so. Yeah. So five.
Five or so. Okay. And then you have a female trainer training you. Yes, we have a female trainer.
And she also is part of the roster. Of course, she is part of the roster. Right. She's a five-time
CWE champion from India. Okay. Please, please abbreviate yourself. What's CWE?
That's the promotion name in India. Okay. What's it called? CWE Wrestling, Entertainment Wrestling.
Something like that. Okay, but it's Indian based. Yes, it's Indian based. Okay. And she's from India.
Yes. Right. And she's based in Singapore now. Right now, yes. Okay. And she trains all of you.
She trains the women in the division. Yes. So she's a five-time champion. Yes. Okay, okay. Now that
we're talking about belts and stuff. But isn't that all part of the script? Yeah, but who makes,
who tells that who wins? Like, do you deserve it? I don't know. How does it work? You're not going to
give it to some randos. I don't know. I mean, you tell me. I mean, if, if, if let's say,
okay, five-time champion. Yes. Planned already, right? To be the champion. No, no, no, no. You
can't plan it like five times. How does it work? Tell me. How does it work? At least for ours,
we need to know if the person is really good at wrestling. Yeah. Yeah. So, so it is given to the
one that can, is really good at executing the moves. It's not just the moves. It's the whole
package. Okay. Okay. Remember there's also acting and interaction. Yeah. The whole package, right?
So the one that, that is really like, eh, this guy is really quite ace at all this. Yeah. And,
and they can represent the company. And they can represent the company. And this is the guy that
we're going to, it's like media corps saying, oh, now we're going to make sure Germit sings the
stuff. That kind of thing, right? Okay. I'm sorry, Germit, but you were everywhere, man. Okay. Yeah.
So that kind of thing, right? So, okay. So this person is excellence execution, great, uh, uh,
uh, personality and character that's been created for the game, represents the brand well and all
that and the whole thing. And then say, okay, you deserve this year to be champion. Hmm. Somewhat
like that. Depending also on the producers. Yeah. But, uh, it's usually hopefully someone who
enables or rather embodies all those factors. Okay. Okay. Right. Now I'm learning something new.
Okay. I mean, if you had a title belt, you are going to represent the promotion. Right. And you
don't want to like dishonor the promotion. Interesting. No, it's interesting, man. It's
interesting, man. I mean, it's like, uh, it's, it's really a PR thing actually. Hmm. Kind of,
right? If I'm looking at it from a lay person's perspective, not in the game, but looking at it
from, from as a business. Okay. Wow. That's really interesting. Okay. But naturally if a person in
your, in your world, in your universe, if you have like this trainer of yours, five times champ,
yeah. Means that this person has been representing that brand so well. Yeah. Have, have been so good
at athleticism. Yes. Right. Um, and knows the shit because the experience is there. So you look up
to that. Yeah, pretty much. That's why I'm like proud of her being our trainer. Right. What's her
name? Her name's Divya. Divya. Okay. Got to meet this girl, man. Yeah. Not in the ring though.
Choose some B rolls at our training. What rolls? B rolls. The only B rolls I know are in the bakery,
man. I go five B rolls in the bakery. Yum. What's next for Ming Rui and Sarah? What's next? What's
next? Yeah. Anything. Okay. I can start first. Sure. Go ahead. Okay. Okay. What's next is, well,
I have to be more evil. Oh, okay. At least for me, I'm, I'm a heel, right? Yeah. So I'm recently a heel.
Recent heel. Yeah. A recent heel. So I have to figure out how to engage the audience more as a heel.
Wow. That's so fun. It's fun, but I really need to see how to engage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. That's
what, that's the fun bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're always changing, changing personas. So when
you change persona, you got to relook at the whole character and then you got to get into that
character. Man, you got to do a lot of character role playing here, man. Oh no. Yeah. Yeah. But
that's the fun part. Method acting. Method acting. See, it's PE with drama. Yeah. It's kind of fun.
I will never do it, but it's kind of fun. That, I'm looking forward to that and also still promoting
our women's division still. I still wouldn't want people to come by and train with us because it's,
well, you can't get to the handstand that easily, but you can do the basics first, which we all
went through. Okay. All the basic stuff. Once we learned that the basic, like for example, a role,
right. Then you start to realize, Hey, I can actually do this or it takes me this much time
to do this one step. But what if I continue, can I get to the next level? Right. That's the fun part.
Right. How about you? Okay. So also I agree with Sarah has said, we want more females to join us.
Right. And personally, I think cause last year I'm doing this lion character, but this year I kind of
like stepping backwards to just trying to be myself because I feel maybe this character didn't
work out as well as I wanted. So still exploring my character. How do I, what do I want to show
to the audience? So you want to evolve into some other character now? I feel I'm more like,
or yourself. Yeah. Taking a step back to just be myself and see what else can I go from here.
Yeah. Yeah. And of course, train more, train harder and hopefully go to Japan and train. Oh yes. Yeah.
Okay. Okay. Okay. So it is quite something to go to Japan to train in your world. I think it is. Yes, it is.
Anyone can go there though. But no, no, not everyone. No, no, no. Not like, not like train as a wrestler inside.
I'm talking about, you know, darejo in Japan. Okay. He does not know. No, I do not know. No. In Japan, there's a
promotion they call darejo is short form for dare demo jujutsu pro-wrestler. It means anyone can be a
pro-wrestling. Anyone can do this pro-wrestling. So they are open to public. Right. Anyone can just like
pay around a thousand or thousand and five hundred yen and then you can go to the class. So, right.
So there is classes for anybody. Yeah. So I'm talking about that kind. Right. Yeah. Because there's two
levels. Yeah. There's two levels. There's two levels. Yeah. So go do it, man. Go solve yourself. Go do it.
Okay. I tell you what. Let's, let's, let's do this. Okay. You see that center camera right there.
Yeah. Take a look at the camera. You guys do a two, three liner each and tell the ladies out there
what you just said again and officially. Okay, people. Sarah Coleheart and Mingri has got
something to tell you and this could be a real, real different kind of thing for you to stay fit
and get healthy. Please go ahead. Well, come join pro-wrestling if you want to hear if it's
Healthier SG. Yeah, it is Healthier SG. And we are very supportive. We're actually very fun and you
can learn how to, well, put some drama to your steps. You don't have to do 10k steps. You can just
roll around, have fun with us while get, while getting Healthier. Yeah. Fitter, get fitter. You're
definitely going to get fitter with us. Great. Yeah. Mingri. Yeah. So don't, don't need to be scared
even if you're not physically fit or you are bad in sports, but just come and try out, try out
pro-wrestling and have fun, learn some acting and learn some rolling. And then be able to do a hand
stand. Yeah. And I can tell you one thing, the only thing this guy is going to do, he takes a
rolling pin, puts a dough there and right flat down and go a forward roll and a back roll and a forward
roll and a back roll. And then I have a bun. Thank you so very much for being on the show, guys.
Really been interesting and thank you for being the opening segment for my new season. Really.
And everyone, thank you very much again for joining us on the very first episode, the season premiere
for of the Chris Hansen conversation for season five. It's going to be kind of a long season,
but stick around. Okay. Find out more. I've got some more guests coming in the ensuing weeks until
then. Stay safe, everybody. This is Chris Hansen. Bye bye. Bye. And your official for this match is LK.
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