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Speaking of NDPs and you know national songs and stuff, right?

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Can we agree Singapore doesn't have its own unique sound?

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For example, if you go to the Bahamas, so you go to Jamaica, you have Creole, you have reggae, Malaysia, I guess, Dungdut.

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We don't have any of that. Can we agree?

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It's not the strongest.

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You mean we have our own unique sound?

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Holy shit balls people! Welcome back to the Chris Hansen conversation.

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And you were watching and listening to Singing Sensation, multi-talented songster.

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I call him the songster monster.

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This young man gives me chills to the point that I am worried to sing with this boy.

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Please welcome to the show Owen Lee.

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Hi!

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Welcome to the Chris Hansen conversation man. Thanks for being here.

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Thanks for having me.

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That was insane.

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That was insane. I picked that particular clip of the myriad worth that I managed to find in your socials.

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I picked that one because I saw you, I saw you again, and I saw you and I saw you at the top.

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And you were doing harmony.

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There's one single guy recording it four times, right?

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Holy shit dude. I can never do crap like that. It would kill me man.

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Because I'd be so off. Really dude.

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I mean the reason why you're here and the reason why you're on a tribute show, my tribute show,

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because you know I've had people who've been in the music business 40, 50 years even.

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And people I've looked up to since I was a young man or young boy even.

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And I've gotten them and I had the pleasure of calling them friends now.

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They came to my studio. I gave them paid tribute to them.

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I also pay tribute to those that are current.

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And let me tell you something man. This is my tribute to Owen Lee.

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Oh man. That means so much.

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Really mate. Because your music icon in Singapore as far as I'm concerned at this time.

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Oh my gosh.

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Yeah really man. And you know something. I said this to so many of these guys that came on the show.

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I said to them look I don't take this tribute lightly.

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I give it also only to people. Sorry. Only to people whom I feel have either made their mark.

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We all should be grateful to for making sure that Singapore's music grew the way it did.

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And to the ones as well that I believe will make it even bigger. You're one of those.

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Thank you. Thank you so much Chris.

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Seriously man. I mean I looked through everything on socials man.

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I met you only briefly once and then I looked through and I went oh my god this guy's a monster.

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Monster songster.

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Yeah. No no no. Get away from songster monster man.

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I mean not just that. You play multiple instruments too right?

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I do yeah.

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Okay we're going to come to that one.

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How young are you Omen?

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I am turning 24 this year.

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Holy crap dude.

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I got a I got a I'm not even ashamed about it. I love it.

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You don't have to be ashamed of man.

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I want to turn back my clock to 24 man. I'm freaking I'm freaking what? 30 years older than you.

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It's all good.

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Yeah no I know it's all good. Yeah I know I know it's not that bad getting as old as me.

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Yeah fuck that. But the thing is the point is is that man dude at 24 and you're doing that.

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You're doing all that. I can only dream. Even back then I could only dream.

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You know but jeez the way that was phenomenal.

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Thank you thank you so much.

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No seriously I meant every word man. So many so little years have gone by.

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So very little years have gone by for you.

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And you've had a ton of performances under your belt.

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We're going to talk about it all that as we go along yeah.

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And I would like to hear your story right from the very beginning.

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Wow okay.

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But before we get to the tangibles do me a favor.

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Yes.

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Explore deep in your gut.

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Deep in your gut in order that you can answer this question that I ask everybody anyway.

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The way that I want the way that the question ought to be interpreted in every context.

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Who is Owen Lee?

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In your own words.

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In your mind and in your heart.

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Wow who is Owen Lee?

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Don't give me something platonic yeah.

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Owen Lee is a flamboyant little nerd.

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Flamboyant I agree. Little maybe but nerd I don't know.

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Why nerd?

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I think that deep down like deep down I am still the little boy who loves classical music with the glasses and the acne.

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You know like yeah it's a yeah I feel like I've spent so many years trying to grow from that.

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But I realized that I owe it all to that person who started it all who was just it was passion and fashion only.

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Who is that person?

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It's little Owen.

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Oh okay so you're saying okay sorry I may have chilled off a little bit.

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So you're saying that that little person little Owen is the one you owe.

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Yeah.

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This is the one else.

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Well I mean.

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That you can attribute your.

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I mean for sure like in influences and everything is one thing and you know like I am I can get I can have full conversations about the people who have inspired me.

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But when you ask like who is Owen Lee.

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Yep.

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Right it's like deep down like I have done so much in this like short period of time.

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Right.

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But I still do not want to lose sight of the little boy who didn't have any opportunities.

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Okay.

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So I was just a little boy who loves music and was very fortunate to have the support you know from my family and just access to the stuff that inspired me.

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So let's go to that little boy shall we.

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Yeah sure.

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That little boy little Owen.

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How old was he when he first started tinkering away at this.

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Okay so I was I think three or four when I like wrote I think you can find a drawing of it but I literally was drawing you know the stuff the stuff on the music sheet.

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Yeah.

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And with the treble clef and the bass.

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Yeah the tauge.

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Yeah the tauge.

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And I like drew the CDEFGAPC and then right next to it's like a dinosaur.

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So like yeah I still have that piece of paper actually like dug it out recently and like my parents were like my parents are not musicians.

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They're music lovers but they're not musicians.

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Right.

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They saw that and they were like let's just see if we can send him to.

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So what did you write?

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You wrote notes.

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Yeah.

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Musical notes.

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Yes.

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And you did that it was.

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It's not anyhow.

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It's like in the.

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Really.

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It's not overlapping you know.

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Right right.

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It's on the line.

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In the middle of the line.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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So what you're saying to me is that little Owen Lee parents discovered that this kid is a prodigy.

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I.

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Would you call yourself a prodigy?

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Oh my gosh.

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Don't be shy.

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Don't be shy.

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If you think so you feel so sad.

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I feel like at one point I had prodigal tendencies.

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Prodigal that's different from being a prodigy okay.

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I wouldn't say.

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No I do think that.

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I mean that like I think I had prodigal prodigy.

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How do you pronounce that?

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Prodigious.

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Prodigious tendencies.

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Okay.

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And there are some things that I can't really explain.

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Right.

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That.

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Like what?

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That just come like some ideas like you know.

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Cords ideas and stuff like that like that I don't really.

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Yeah well especially when I look back at my classical piano days.

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So after that I did like a whole eight years of classical piano.

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Wow.

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Like just intense.

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Yeah and yeah so that I guess like I never thought about it.

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I was just like love it.

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Can hear can play all good.

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You know like yeah so only when like I started to see other singers.

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Other performers other pianists that were there's always going to be someone better right.

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Right.

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When like I started being exposed to the competition world of classical piano.

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I started to like really doubt my own talent.

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Which is why I'm saying like I'm not like a mega prodigy or whatever.

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Right you're saying that you're gifted but not to the extent where it is considered wow.

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Right.

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I would say that I definitely.

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I definitely.

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Like I didn't like actively choose music.

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Okay.

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Yeah like.

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Actively choose music.

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Dude I mean could have fooled me man.

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I mean everything about you is music.

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Yeah I mean I tried I tried to kind of try to balance it out a little bit.

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But yeah like my classical background I was like always always like a huge fan of just music.

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I was just always I was always the music kid.

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Right.

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So technically you got you got really good at what you do.

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Yeah.

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Technically.

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Technically yeah.

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And musically.

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Yeah I mean I think that because I got my grade eight piano at 12.

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And then I think actually from then on I was like I do not think I can do classical anymore.

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And why so?

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Because I was I started to be exposed to pop.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Your exposure to pop came at what age again?

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Twelve.

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Isn't that insane?

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No that's fair.

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Yeah that's insane.

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Like I was like.

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No that's fair.

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I think it's not insane.

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I think it's fair.

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I mean most of us got got into pop at younger ages.

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For sure.

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And it's not like a it's not a matter of like my parents wanted to like protect me from

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pop or that is nothing about that.

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My parents raised me on okay I call it like my holy trinity of like my childhood.

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I listened to a lot of ABBA.

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I listened to a lot of The Carpenters.

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Wow.

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And my and I I could not stop watching The Sound of Music.

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If I watch it now I will burst into tears and you got a great clip on your hands.

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Do not pull.

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Do not okay do not pull it on.

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If I see Julie Andrews frolic in the field I'm gonna lose it.

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But yeah like I I I that was the only non-classical music I was consuming.

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Okay.

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From my from my childhood.

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Right.

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So yeah so after my I would say my classical era.

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Sorry to stop you there.

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Yes.

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But kind of strange man.

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I mean you are 30 years younger than me.

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When I was listening to ABBA and The Carpenters I was in primary school.

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That's nice.

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How is it that you.

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I was also in primary school.

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Dude I'm 30 years older man.

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It was just that it wasn't in real time.

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Oh I know what you mean.

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But how did you get into ABBA and The Carpenters.

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It was literally because my parents had the CDs.

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Because they always play it.

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They had the CDs they had like the ones where you can put the CD in and it's like the sing-along.

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Like you can turn off the main vocal and you can sing along with the karaoke words and everything.

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It's karaoke dude.

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It's karaoke right.

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But like I do not know.

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Was it a big silvery disc or was it a small little silvery disc.

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I think it's a silver.

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The big one.

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Silver like.

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The big one.

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The big one.

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It's called a laser disc.

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It's called an LD.

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Oh yes LD.

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Yeah.

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Then they put it into a pioneer player.

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Yes.

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The one that like bounces off the disc.

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Yeah yeah.

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I do remember that.

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And then you can play in analog or digital.

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When you play in digital means there's no background music.

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There's no singer in the background.

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There's no singer.

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That's called digital.

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You can have your moment.

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Analog means you have the singer there.

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Then you can have your moment to sing.

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Then you put up the echo right.

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Otherwise no one's reverb.

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So okay so your exposure.

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Okay fine fine.

259
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Let's find that.

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I'm just trying to understand.

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How is it that someone from a different generation.

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You listen to something from a generation that came just slightly before mine.

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Which is ABBA and the Carpenters.

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Anyway it's great.

265
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It's great.

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Yeah it's a great establishment for anyone.

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If you ask me.

268
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Yeah.

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Okay so you got your exposure kinda to outside of classical music via ABBA and the Carpenters.

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Right.

271
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Okay.

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And then what happened?

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Then I when I was 12 I saw on TV with my friends a singing competition called X Factor.

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Okay.

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Yeah that was my first exposure to any sort of like pop style singing.

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Okay.

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And I basically just saw them do you know how American singing competitions are.

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It's a pretty standard like thing that everyone is kind of showing what they got.

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You know like because you know that's just how it goes over there right.

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But I was so intrigued by the extra-ness of it all.

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Like the flashiness of it all.

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And I think.

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The production basically.

284
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Yeah and no like specifically the vocals.

285
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Like when the vocals could do.

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Like I remember hearing like the first run I heard you know and like the first riff I

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heard and I was like it was like a marriage of like my classical and like you know like

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it was like so technical but in a pop space.

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And I was just very intrigued by that and I just started to try and imitate or just

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replicate what they were doing from then.

291
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So that is a singing bit already right.

292
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That is a singing bit.

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So I think I kind of that was the shift from my classical time and actually during my.

294
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Not just the shift from the classical piano playing but also it's a singing right.

295
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You started singing.

296
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Yeah.

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You wanted to start singing.

298
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The thing is I did sing when I was a kid.

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Like I did like karaoke like to Eba and the Sound of Music and stuff as a kid.

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And it was never serious.

301
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It was very casual.

302
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It was very.

303
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I never thought like oh I have a good voice or anything.

304
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It was just like yeah but you know like during the ABRSM like classical exams.

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Sometimes they test you on like aural skills like to make sure you can sing what is being

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played.

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And I realized that all of my other like contemporaries of like my other peers who were taking the

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exams were struggling with the singing and I was like this is so easy.

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What are you talking about?

310
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You know like yeah so it was it was that kind of thing.

311
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I wasn't thinking about it was just kind of yeah but I only started to like kind of craft

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a voice like a performing voice for myself after my classical.

313
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Yeah okay.

314
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Era.

315
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But there were three things you said in the whole of the story you just told me.

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Three things you said.

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Two I want to deal with later.

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One would be the performing voice.

319
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Care to define what that means?

320
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It's more of like the just the voice that I.

321
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Is it my voice I guess.

322
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Yeah it's like it's like not a not a super casual.

323
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So it's not casual singing but actually sitting down and making sure that you're breathing

324
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it right.

325
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You're articulating the lyrics right.

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And making sure that you're you're getting you're hitting your notes right.

327
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Yeah.

328
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Right.

329
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And orchestrating the song.

330
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Yes.

331
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Yeah.

332
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Vocally orchestrating it right.

333
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So that's what you meant by performing.

334
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Okay.

335
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Yes.

336
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No I'm asking this because not because I don't I asked a question or I will ask questions

337
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not because there'll be some I wouldn't know for sure.

338
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Yeah.

339
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But not because entirely I don't know but because for the benefit of people who are

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watching the show.

341
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For sure.

342
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Listen to the show.

343
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It's for them to understand what we mean by performing voice.

344
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So okay because some people say that which is something I hate yeah.

345
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Because I host a lot.

346
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Oh I knew I used to compare host a lot and people like to say well Chris do you always

347
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have that MC voice.

348
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I say oh my god please don't call it that.

349
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I really don't like that differentiation you know like MC voice.

350
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What do you mean by MC voice.

351
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It's just my voice.

352
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It's just my voice.

353
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Yeah.

354
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And that should be how it is you know.

355
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Yeah.

356
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Yeah.

357
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But I know what you mean singing is a different discipline altogether right.

358
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Right.

359
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So and you said two things.

360
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I will deal with that later on but I really want to.

361
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It's actually here on my computer.

362
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You went to LaSalle School of the Arts.

363
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I did yes.

364
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So usually in my mind in my puny little brain tells me that not many people get selected

365
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to get into LaSalle.

366
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You got in.

367
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In place of secondary school or?

368
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I auditioned after my O levels.

369
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After your O levels okay.

370
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And it's not easy to get in right.

371
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I have no comment on that.

372
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Yeah.

373
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Okay.

374
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I said something here.

375
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Oh my goodness.

376
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You all got to cut this man.

377
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But like.

378
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No I got no cutting floor man.

379
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Oh okay.

380
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No no I am joking.

381
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Because I think that with any arts educational institution.

382
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Yeah.

383
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There are going to be people because the art is subjective.

384
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Like art is subjective in nature.

385
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Right sure.

386
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So not everyone is going to seem objectively off standard.

387
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Right.

388
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Yeah.

389
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But there have been there are great talents that enter this school.

390
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Like I would say that like no doubt about that.

391
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He's going to be politically correct here.

392
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But that being said.

393
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There are also people who are basically quite fucked up when they still end up there.

394
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Is that what you're trying to say?

395
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You said it.

396
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I didn't say.

397
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I'm doing you a favor man.

398
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But that's basically what you're trying to tell me right.

399
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No come on.

400
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That's just a few eyebrow razors.

401
00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,200
No come on.

402
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Come on.

403
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,200
There's nothing wrong with saying that.

404
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You're not wrong in saying that it is the arts man.

405
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No but I do think that as subjective as it is.

406
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It's subjective.

407
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As subjective as it is.

408
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Yeah.

409
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There are also some really objectively questionable choices.

410
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Yeah.

411
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Because I do have a lot of friends that did not get into the institute or the course.

412
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When they most deservingly supposed to actually.

413
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When.

414
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Should have been.

415
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Yeah.

416
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Could have been.

417
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I mean I'm never here to put someone down but like especially in comparison to like when

418
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you see some other.

419
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I mean Owen.

420
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I mean come on man.

421
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I mean you go for an audition anywhere right.

422
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It doesn't have to be an institution.

423
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It can be for a show even.

424
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For a competition.

425
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It doesn't necessarily mean that judges make the right choices.

426
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It's.

427
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Then that is.

428
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That is.

429
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,200
That is par for the course where arts and entertainment is concerned.

430
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Even if you are vying excuse me for a contract to play in a club or a pub.

431
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They're not just going to be auditioning you.

432
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Right.

433
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If you don't get it and then all of a sudden they went to pick someone that or someone

434
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or some band that will all go.

435
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,200
We'll all raise our eyebrows and go what the fuck.

436
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Over this guy or over this group.

437
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,200
Are you kidding me.

438
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,200
Yeah.

439
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,200
Some of us would but these beauties in the eye are the freaking beholder right.

440
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And the audience is deaf.

441
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So.

442
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It happens all the time.

443
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:41,200
Yeah go ahead please.

444
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,200
Yeah.

445
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:47,200
No but I do think that getting in is just one step.

446
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Yeah.

447
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,200
You know it's really what you do.

448
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:51,200
During the course.

449
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During your time there.

450
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Yeah.

451
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And there are plenty of people who make it even further and that do not go through this

452
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course or so.

453
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,200
It's really what you make of it like of your time in that environment.

454
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Like I'm grateful.

455
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,200
Personally I can only speak for my own experience.

456
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:12,200
I'm very grateful to have gone through that experience and I have I'm especially grateful

457
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,200
for the people I met during this time.

458
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I think that is like the most valuable thing after all these years.

459
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,200
I mean you gained from it for sure.

460
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,200
For sure.

461
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,200
I gained from it.

462
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,200
What did you major then man?

463
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,200
I majored in vocals.

464
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Wow.

465
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Yeah.

466
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,200
So I was a vocal major.

467
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:33,200
But yeah I did a lot of I did a lot of like side piano quests.

468
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,200
Does that make sense?

469
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,200
What do you mean by that?

470
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:41,200
Basically like I played piano for like a lot of different ensembles as well.

471
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Right.

472
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Because it's a very self-directed thing and everyone kind of like they're doing their

473
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,200
own music and stuff like that and they are like okay like I kind of need a keyboardist

474
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or I kind of need a pianist and I think I I think I kind of doubled up really well as

475
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a pianist and backup singer.

476
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,200
Right.

477
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During that time.

478
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,200
Right.

479
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,200
Because I was like I was like I could play and I could harmonize really well.

480
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:09,200
So like I was like in demand for that that uh that niche I would say.

481
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,200
Yeah sure.

482
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,880
So yeah I had a lot of experience doing that like during those.

483
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,200
Which is good because I mean it gave you your base establishment as well.

484
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,200
For sure.

485
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,400
Yeah who do you do backup singing for?

486
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,240
It was everyone it was my classmates and everything it was yeah it was just like it was a lot

487
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:33,560
of yeah and I have a tendency to know or to like want to take control of the project.

488
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So it's like I will play and like sing the harmony but then I'll like realize that someone

489
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,380
else is playing the wrong chord and like I'll be a bit like okay.

490
00:22:41,380 --> 00:22:42,380
You can pick it up huh.

491
00:22:42,380 --> 00:22:48,000
Yeah yeah so like I think that is where like my director brain like kind of awakened during

492
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,000
that time.

493
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Because I was still so young you know like when I was in last year and I didn't really

494
00:22:51,580 --> 00:22:58,720
have as much confidence to be like yo that is that's not it like like let's let's let's

495
00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:59,720
review the chart.

496
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:00,720
Did you learn your part?

497
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,560
You know like you know like all this kind of stuff that is.

498
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,200
Well you're a real serious guy when it comes to this huh.

499
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,200
Quite.

500
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,000
Yeah I can tell man yeah.

501
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,520
Okay so let's rewind the clock back a little bit before LaSalle.

502
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,960
Don't worry about that.

503
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:14,960
It's a podcast.

504
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:15,960
It's not smooth at all.

505
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:16,960
Yeah it's a podcast.

506
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:17,960
You know.

507
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,960
People listening on the train are like.

508
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,400
It brings a flavor man.

509
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,400
I mean.

510
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,400
Yeah it's realism.

511
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,400
Yes yeah it means real.

512
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,560
I don't like to have conversations that are so you know produced.

513
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:30,560
I'm gonna sit cross-legged.

514
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,560
By all means man take your shoes off.

515
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,920
Take your socks off too if you like.

516
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,240
Yeah you sit cross-legged on.

517
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,280
It's all cool with me.

518
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,520
You know we just go back a little bit shall we.

519
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:43,520
Sure.

520
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,080
Let's go back to second secondary school at least.

521
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,400
Which school do you go to man?

522
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,920
I was in San Gabriel's secondary school.

523
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,240
You're in San Gabriel's boy.

524
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,240
I am.

525
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,240
I'm a Gabrielite.

526
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,240
Yeah.

527
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,240
I was anyway.

528
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,240
Yeah yeah then we became a LaSallean because you end up in LaSalle.

529
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,240
Yeah I'm a LaSallean.

530
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,240
Oh my gosh.

531
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:05,040
Yeah I mean not from LaSalle school yards but you know from the LaSallean schools.

532
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,040
Yeah from St. Pat's.

533
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,040
Cool.

534
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,120
Yeah okay so you're in San Gabriel's boy.

535
00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:12,120
Yeah okay.

536
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:14,840
So when you went to San Gabriel's did you do any music at all?

537
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:24,000
I was that was like when I was first like finding my first finding my singing like just

538
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,600
finding myself vocally.

539
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,200
And I would say musically too because it's a whole different world compared to classical

540
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:38,440
of course and there is a there is a kind of trope of classical classical style clashing

541
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,440
with pop.

542
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,280
I don't know if you've ever encountered something like that.

543
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,320
No because I've never been a classical guy.

544
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,360
No but a really skilled you can it's like a really really skilled classical musician

545
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:53,440
is like who is like who can like totally rip on on whatever instrument they're playing

546
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,040
on but when you put them in a pop space.

547
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,040
Right.

548
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,280
Like the feeling the alignment is just not kind of clicking sometimes.

549
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,000
Did you watch an episode I had with Aliyah?

550
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,520
I did not watch the whole thing.

551
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,280
Okay we had this conversation.

552
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:12,880
I think I had the same conversation with one other person as well on the tribute show.

553
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,000
Now that you've put this in now that you've explained this to me when you're in classical

554
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,120
you get exposed to pop.

555
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:22,280
And I mentioned this earlier on to you as well.

556
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:29,440
So you got great technically technical skills reading the notes writing the notes knowing

557
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,240
your tempo knowing all that all that's all good.

558
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,960
But Aliyah and I have the opinion and we're not the only ones by the way that you can

559
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:45,840
tell that when you go for a rehearsal and with your band who's technical and who's

560
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:51,000
musical and we start to ask ourselves which one do we prefer.

561
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,840
Because people like her people like me were more musical.

562
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:55,840
Definitely not technical.

563
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,560
But you got a guy that's technical and musical who wow my goodness gracious me.

564
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,760
For me I'm a very like I don't like to see a lot of things in black and white.

565
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,880
I feel like we have to advocate for more of both.

566
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,400
Exactly more of like people like not ignoring or not being like a one or the other.

567
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,400
So who is Aliyah?

568
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,040
Technical technical musical or both?

569
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,040
I'm both.

570
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,040
Wow.

571
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,040
I would say I'm both.

572
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,040
Ballsy man.

573
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,040
Ballsy.

574
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,040
Because I spent a lot of time.

575
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,040
Good for you.

576
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,040
No good for you.

577
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:30,480
No no no this is like of all the of all the PC things in my head and like just being careful

578
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,160
what I say this is something I'm very sure about in myself.

579
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,160
You know like I'm very...

580
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,560
Why are you so worried about the PC stuff in your head man?

581
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,320
That's a time for like a therapy session.

582
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,880
Oh come on.

583
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,280
We're having a chat dude.

584
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,760
I mean come on man.

585
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:53,200
No no no the PC stuff is just like having to having done a lot of like like like national

586
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,200
scale things.

587
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,200
Yeah I know.

588
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,200
I have had to be a little bit careful.

589
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,720
You know that one I'm not going to ask so much about anything is going to be breaching

590
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,720
OSA.

591
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:01,720
Don't worry about that.

592
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,480
I know after the fact it's just that that has just kind of conditioned me to be because

593
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,920
I am the face like I'm like I'm kind of responsible.

594
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:14,800
I think it's a responsibility thing like I've realized I've heard and I've seen careers

595
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,880
being like like like and or like be in really big trouble.

596
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,360
But we're having a frank conversation.

597
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:25,360
Oh for sure.

598
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,360
I don't think it's going to be that bad.

599
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:28,360
I don't think so.

600
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:29,360
I'm just saying my point is.

601
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:30,360
Don't stop yourself man.

602
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:41,160
My point is just that like I as seriously or unseriously PC as I am like the like me

603
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:48,280
towing the balance between technical and and being musical is like very much what I spend

604
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,400
a lot of my time trying to balance in my craft.

605
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,200
And I can tell you're doing a good job.

606
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,200
Thank you.

607
00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:02,440
Because not many people throughout decades man and we found they've got both.

608
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,480
You know they have been of course the greats.

609
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,040
You know even people like Jeremy Montero.

610
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,040
Oh yeah.

611
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,320
You know I mean that great that guy's great is like royalty right.

612
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:17,440
You know then there are those who started musical end up learning and getting you know

613
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:22,920
who are getting so qualified as they move along and they get they get the technical

614
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:28,440
stuff and they've grown into wow even more big monsters.

615
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:34,360
You know I'm having I'm having Bonnie face the Suzer next weekend two weekends time and

616
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:38,280
Bonnie is going to be you know Bonnie has reached a stage where you know from a musical

617
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,880
guy to something someone is so up there.

618
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,200
You know I mean it's wonderful.

619
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,560
I think it's wonderful but you can tell that there are not many museos out there that's

620
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,440
got this.

621
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,960
And that's also the reason why I asked you take just watch or listen to the show I have

622
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,840
with Aliyah because that's a portion of the conversation I wanted I was hoping that you

623
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,920
could pick up because I picked up the like the rap the when you're talking about the

624
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:04,920
rap stuff.

625
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,920
I caught that.

626
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:17,800
No but to answer your question about I'm just gonna because you were asking about if I did

627
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,160
music in secondary school.

628
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,160
Yeah.

629
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:27,520
I auditioned for like my audition for like a school competition.

630
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,520
Okay.

631
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:29,520
Yeah and I won it.

632
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,520
It was called Gabrielite Idol.

633
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:31,520
Okay wow.

634
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,520
Wow original man.

635
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:39,880
You know what like I feel like sometimes we just need to be campy and let it be you know

636
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,920
like sometimes there's a time place for that.

637
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,960
But yeah I was like a little boy and I was just like I auditioned with a Mariah Carey

638
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,280
song like it's somewhere out there on the internet.

639
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:54,360
Like I was reacting to it all like a few years later and like lots of cringe and everything

640
00:29:54,360 --> 00:30:00,120
but I you know that was what I was about since day one you know I was just like I just wanted

641
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,120
to be doing it.

642
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,800
So that was one that I still remember.

643
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,600
I sang the trophy and you know like performing for my friends.

644
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,000
I was not by any means I was like not popular at all in secondary school.

645
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:23,480
I was like very much the thing is I feel like I'm quite extroverted but during that period

646
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,120
I really I mean secondary school is not an easy time for anyone I think.

647
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:32,480
If it was easy for you then good for you but I mean yeah it was a bit awkward for me.

648
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:39,560
It was like an ugly duckling phase and yeah I was like ignored for a lot of the time.

649
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,400
It was just like an invisible kind of situation.

650
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:49,760
Or when I sang when I did this competition like there are still people who like who remember

651
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,360
me from that now.

652
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,040
So they will be like you're the one who sang for Gibraltar Idol that time right.

653
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,600
I'm so happy to see you come so far.

654
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:02,640
I'm like I don't even know your name but thank you.

655
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,240
It's like that was kind of like one of the catalysts.

656
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:12,480
Yeah I mean I think there's some things in life that just cannot change because…

657
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,480
The Canon event.

658
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,640
Yeah it was a very good way of putting it there.

659
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,320
This Canon event.

660
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:26,840
Like for example in Sinpats back in my day in 86, 87 those years.

661
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:35,160
We had contests like that as well and I've never forgotten a lot of us I sang as well.

662
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,320
A lot of us never forgotten some of the guys John Glass when he competed.

663
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,760
We had the same age.

664
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,140
Sean DeMillo right.

665
00:31:46,140 --> 00:31:49,240
So to this day man when we have gatherings right.

666
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,000
Shout out to you Sean.

667
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,320
Sean will take his guitar right and he will still sing you know at our little reunions

668
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,320
and stuff.

669
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,320
I will pop in and sable a little bit now you know but I'm not the guy that does this kind

670
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,680
of things more often than these guys do.

671
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,600
So you got…

672
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:17,000
So you're right it's a Canon event and it remains an indelible mark in a lot of people's

673
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,400
minds and that's a wonderful thing.

674
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,080
So you sing Gabriel's you do that then after St. Gabriel's you went to La Salle right.

675
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,280
Then after that you had to do your national service.

676
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,960
I did yes that was that is the correct like…

677
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,240
Timeline yes so the chronology of events are going we're gonna go along that way.

678
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,800
So in NS were you in the I don't know what it's called today.

679
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,440
MDC yeah I was not in MDC you know.

680
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,440
Oh my.

681
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,440
I was an artillery boy.

682
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,440
Oh boy.

683
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,400
Yeah well I'm gonna maybe backtrack a little bit to La Salle day.

684
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,600
So basically at my year three right.

685
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,880
Year three of La Salle final year of La Salle.

686
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:02,080
There's usually at during my time there was a final recital.

687
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:08,360
It was like a final performance where you got to just to it's like a kind of symbolic

688
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,720
even though it's just like one module it's like kind of symbolic for like that is your

689
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,960
like graduation performance you got to freaking go all out.

690
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,320
I had like the most amazing songs and arrangements planned.

691
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,800
Started rehearsals and COVID.

692
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,360
So I never got to perform it.

693
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:30,600
Yeah so I that was like it was really devastating but it really lit a fire under me and that

694
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:37,440
like because it was in COVID so I just started like posting like arranging my arranging recording

695
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:43,240
and posting all of my covers like because I couldn't just let it go you know like it

696
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,760
was all this like pent up like I didn't get to finish you know and I don't wanna I don't

697
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:53,640
wanna like I don't want La Salle to be it for my career you know like I yeah I think

698
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:59,080
even like La Salle would say like they want to see the students flourish after.

699
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,320
It's not just about like your time in the school you know.

700
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:12,280
By right I think we should be we should be like helping the students like survive after

701
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,440
the after the course but whatever.

702
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,440
Yeah like I yeah basically it was months of COVID.

703
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,440
And then ARMY.

704
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,440
Yeah oh dear.

705
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,440
Yeah.

706
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,360
It felt as if there was something missing somewhere.

707
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:31,200
Yeah I remember like I told myself like okay after I graduate I have like a few months

708
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,880
I have like my summer break before I end this I'm gonna like I'm going to like bust my ass

709
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,640
off you know.

710
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,120
I'm gonna like I'm gonna save so much money.

711
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:48,760
I'm gonna like I was just gonna and just pursue it like so the way that I thought I was gonna

712
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,760
pursue it.

713
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,760
Right.

714
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,720
Yeah in a very in real life.

715
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:54,200
You had it all mapped out basically.

716
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,440
Yeah yeah and I'm sure everyone like relates to COVID.

717
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:04,000
I mean you know I mean in the sense if there's any consolation at all like if you take a

718
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:14,680
look at some of the musos professional musos when COVID hit man man oh man these guys those

719
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,160
that really manage to pivot I salute them.

720
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:26,360
I really do I mean guys like Stephen you know Stephen Francis he became Chef Francis for

721
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:27,360
a while.

722
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,360
Yep.

723
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:34,160
And he started his own F&B places you know he just there was there was there was one

724
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,760
he had it was halal thimsam he shut that one down he opened a pranakan stall in a food

725
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:46,480
court and then when COVID was over you know and the contracts started coming back then

726
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:54,240
okay you know but for you it was more like okay I couldn't get my plans going and that's

727
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:55,480
about the size of it man.

728
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,480
Yeah.

729
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,480
You were lucky.

730
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:06,840
I think that I used the time to go online and I think I am privileged enough like because

731
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:15,480
I was younger I didn't have as much of like frankly I did not have I think as much threatening

732
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:22,600
my livelihood in terms of like making a living so I used that time to build.

733
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,520
That's the wonderful thing about being young man.

734
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:25,520
Yeah yeah.

735
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:26,520
Yeah really.

736
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:38,200
I just used it to just keep my like whatever ideas I had flowing coming out and I was doing

737
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,560
a lot at the time I was like I actually hosted like a little like Instagram live talk show

738
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,960
called All Things Vocals at the time and all my singer friends my vocal coaches like Sarah

739
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:53,720
Wee and like they just came on and we just talked about vocals sang vocals you know and

740
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:59,480
yeah I was like I started doing like virtual collaborations with like all of my singer

741
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,760
friends and everything I had them all like pre-recorded to go when I was in army so I

742
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,960
was very very determined not to let anything fall.

743
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,880
So during NS you were doing that?

744
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:10,880
Yes.

745
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:11,880
On the weekends when you book out?

746
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:19,000
Yeah I would say the first like the BMT era oh my gosh the BMT era okay oh my goodness.

747
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,000
Why?

748
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,120
Okay so I was past B1.

749
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,120
Yeah okay.

750
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:31,600
So if anyone who doesn't know what that is, past is like a physical fitness grading and

751
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:38,840
like A would basically mean you're like as fit as can be and yeah so I was B1 I was just

752
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:44,400
like regularly fit and I was not excused from anything.

753
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,840
That is like the main takeaway of this okay so I went through like the normal like combat

754
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:55,480
fit like SOC, IPPT, all of that all of that yeah fieldcraft yeah I spent my 20th birthday

755
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:02,200
in confinement yeah I received my birthday I received my rifle on my birthday happy birthday

756
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:14,160
to me I guess and yeah I was juggling a lot of you know like I think not only not like

757
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:20,120
being away from music but being away from the culture of music because when I went into

758
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:26,080
ARMY like especially in BMT it was like it was really culture shock because no one gave

759
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:33,680
a crap about who I was no one like you know no one cares about like my voice you know

760
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,840
like it's just that you know which is I'm not saying that like I wanted to be treated

761
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,160
like royalty in army no like it was like a it was just like there was people weren't

762
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,520
even interested in having the conversation of like oh what do you do you know oh you

763
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:52,280
do music that's cool because everyone is just on the same path everyone is going to everyone's

764
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,440
going to uni after this and everything you know like so it's like why bother have the

765
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:03,760
conversation they rather talk about soccer yeah can't relate so like I did ARMY okay

766
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:11,200
so I would say that ARMY was like my the first half of ARMY so ARMY is two years usually

767
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:17,080
and the first half of ARMY I was doing my own thing I was like juggling my own thing

768
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:22,520
with ARMY and I was a stay-in okay like I had no special privileges I was I was in there

769
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:28,520
like for a week every single week like you can't can't go home unless it's the weekends

770
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,920
and sometimes you have to do guard during the weekends yeah but I had so many ideas

771
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,480
during ARMY and I remember like in BMT I was like they give you a little notebook and I

772
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,000
would have like arrangement of harmony ideas and I would like write down the notes like

773
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:49,120
in the notebook yeah and and yeah I'll go home and like give them to my friends and

774
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:54,480
then like we were recorded virtually post covers boom then then Monday you got to go

775
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,120
home yeah it was it was very much there and the thing is no one knew I was in ARMY because

776
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:04,920
I didn't post about ARMY I did not post my bald head anywhere I think there's one video

777
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:10,040
of it somewhere digital footprint I don't know but yeah like it was like all the pre-recorded

778
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:16,840
stuff from like the months before and everything I just was like whatever it is like I like

779
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:23,240
I just want to and I didn't want to lose any opportunities potentially from people who

780
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:27,120
were like oh I want to engage you but like I know he's in ARMY so like I don't want to

781
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:33,160
touch him I was I wanted to try and make something work right yeah so so yeah that was my first

782
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:42,160
year in ARMY and then right smack in the middle of ARMY I received a call from Don Richmond

783
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:48,360
okay yeah and he was like I actually sang for Don Richmond's proposal in 2019 with my

784
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,480
a cappella group then so that's how I came to know of him thank you Sarah Wei for introducing

785
00:40:52,480 --> 00:41:00,160
but yeah he was like hi Owen haven't spoken to you in a while can I ask if you are capable

786
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:08,800
of putting together a group of singers like a group of like a bunch of singers basically

787
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:14,360
and that's all I got that was the only brief and I was like yeah yeah for sure I have a

788
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,040
lot of singer friends like what do you what is it for and he said I'm music directing

789
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:29,080
NDP 2022 and I need like almost gospel choir for the theme song and I was like oh my goodness

790
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:35,920
if I lose this opportunity because of ARMY but I didn't laugh.

791
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,720
Can we put that picture up NDP?

792
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:41,400
Oh my gosh which one are you gonna pick?

793
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,880
Let me look for it.

794
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:48,120
Yeah but yeah it was a I remember getting the text in my bunk uh-huh yeah I remember

795
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,040
getting the text in my bunk and I was like kind of panicking and so I was like I would

796
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,760
I would oh my gosh that's the one right look at those in-years man the teal in-years thank

797
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:02,720
you shout out to Fat Freak for those in-years wow yeah yeah that was that's a this is actually

798
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:07,720
my second NDP yeah so I did NDP two years in a row 22 and 23 and they were both both

799
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:14,160
years they were um the director for music was Don Richmond was Don yes so basically

800
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:20,640
he called me and he was like yeah he was like like are you able to do this for NDP and I

801
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,720
was like I I would love nothing more but I have to be very transparent and say that I

802
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:32,800
am in ARMY I'm in N.S. and I I'm like I'm not in MDC you know he said that if I was

803
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,520
in MDC it would be very it would be easier to stoop like fuck me out yeah um but I was

804
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:42,800
like yeah I am I'm not right so uh we can't do this like under the table obviously right

805
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,840
so he was like okay stay calm it's okay just give me your rank and name and unit and let

806
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:54,640
me see what I can do and basically they made some calls and then like I think a week later

807
00:42:54,640 --> 00:43:00,240
my SM like after PT comes up to me and he was like so I received a call the other day

808
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:05,200
in his yeah and I was like oh my gosh oh my gosh this is it man this is make or break

809
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:11,920
and he was like basically he said that are you sure you want to do this and I was like

810
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:17,880
yeah I'm much more I would be much more useful to the country doing like music than like

811
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,880
shooting a gun very very frankly yeah sure even though I am a marksman so don't play

812
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:33,240
okay but yeah like um yeah so I basically from then on I was I was actually dispatched

813
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:38,320
out of my unit to work right under Don Richmond as his like right hand for that for that period

814
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:44,480
for that yeah for the rest of my NS really for the rest of my NS oh man yeah so I owe

815
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:50,920
so much to Don actually like he yeah like and yeah then I I put together the group it's

816
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,560
a it was it started off as a 12 member group it's 15 now it's called the island voices

817
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:02,000
if you guys you know yeah and I put this like called like one of my friends I felt I felt

818
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,440
like I was putting together like the vocal avengers you know I was like okay like I need

819
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:13,520
yeah there were like certain briefs also that I had to I had to accommodate it being NDP

820
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,440
and also I was like yeah like other than like the voice parts like on my sopranos metal

821
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,240
all that then it's like the the profile I had to send a profile with everyone's pictures

822
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:28,280
to NDP to get approved you know and like it's a it was such a process but yeah and then

823
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,760
I I then got to do so many amazing things for NDP that year I vocal directed Taufik

824
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:39,600
Bautista for the for the you know like I helped with some harmonies and wow I also got to

825
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,280
direct Aisha Aziz like for her performance of You'll Be Found that year so it was yeah

826
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,760
I was yeah I was very lucky I was actually like vocal director of that year of NDP wow

827
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:55,320
and I was like 21 22 at the time yeah so I was I was like it wasn't even real to me like

828
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,800
I was just so happy to be doing it for ARMY like songster monster man songster monster

829
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:07,080
yeah all that while like arranging and recording every single member of the Island Voices at

830
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:12,480
my house oh my yeah and juggling ARMY so I was not fully dispatched I still had to go

831
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:18,320
back for like for like my high keys and let me tell you that was not easy to manage like

832
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,840
yeah but I look back at that time and I'm like I can do anything now because it's never

833
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:28,640
gonna be as hard as that yeah good for you yeah so you're very proud of the outcome of

834
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:33,400
the NDPs the two NDPs you're involved in yes yes for sure yeah how did how was what was

835
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:44,840
it like man I mean was it how do you feel it's it's it's like just a lot of gratitude

836
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:50,240
to be very honest with you like that I wouldn't say that whole NDP experience is always perfect

837
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:54,600
no one is going to tell you like who it's performing for is gonna tell you NDP is completely

838
00:45:54,600 --> 00:46:00,280
perfect but what is you know I think that you really just gotta focus on the fact that

839
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:06,040
number one I was doing it with my best friends in the world like my family you know and and

840
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:12,600
number two we got to actually do what musically represents us purely like we did a we did

841
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:19,920
a okay basically we for the second year we did a evolution of NDP songs and this madly

842
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:26,040
is like our pride oh don't worry about it sorry if you're on the train but like yeah

843
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,920
this is this madly is like our pride and joy it's crazy it just came out on streaming platforms

844
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,000
and last year it was like one of our biggest hits with like 100,000 views on YouTube and

845
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,000
everything so I was like that we were so proud of it and we were so proud of the style like

846
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:44,640
we are we are doing acapella like in the way that we want to do it very gospel very you

847
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:50,600
know just I I had not seen it being done that way before and I was just I wasn't even thinking

848
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,000
of oh let's do something that we've never that people have never done before it was

849
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:01,400
just very authentically us and Dawn like very graciously fought for us to be ourselves and

850
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,840
the fact that we got to showcase that on a national level is is and the fact that the

851
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,120
videos are out there like forever you know you know and looking back it's always gonna

852
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,520
be it's always gonna be so surreal.

853
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:21,560
Yeah sure if speaking of NDPs and you know national songs and stuff I asked this question

854
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:29,680
I think I asked Danny Lung this question hmm do you think I mean that's okay can we can

855
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:41,040
we agree let me put it this way that Singapore doesn't have its own unique sound for example

856
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:47,720
if you go to the Bahamas so you go to Jamaica you have Creole you have reggae yeah um of

857
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:55,200
course where is it I would be Malaysia I guess dangdut right yeah um what do we we don't

858
00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:02,880
have any of that do you we don't can we agree it's not the strongest you mean we have our

859
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:19,000
own unique sound sound I it's just too many different sounds I would say so we don't have

860
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,480
our own unique sound right that we can when people hear anywhere in the world and say

861
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:31,880
that's Singapore for sure we don't have one right so we can't agree on that what if in

862
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,480
your top of mind yeah no pressure yeah if I want to ask you since you're the songs the

863
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:48,040
monster it's like it's gonna be a bad question I can't answer and I don't expect an answer

864
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,800
answer I mean I just want to hear opinion and thoughts and we can throw this okay we

865
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,960
can be wrong a lot people can disagree or agree I don't care yeah but it's nice to

866
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:01,000
talk about this for sure you're Singaporean I'm Singaporean I'm also proudly Singaporean

867
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:11,920
and just to toy this idea man because you're who you are if you if we were to create a

868
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:17,920
sound that can be uniquely Singapore where we know that easily everywhere else in the

869
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:26,800
world people listen to that sound and they go that's Singaporean now what do you think

870
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:33,560
that would be what would it comprise of now we've had people you might not know them or

871
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:40,680
remember them you may or may not I don't know because of your age you're young in the past

872
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:47,280
we had bands that had a fusion of different ethnic instruments bands like culture vulture

873
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:54,480
before them culture shock Douglas Olivero started there okay and it was kind of cool

874
00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:02,600
for a while but it just didn't last despite the fact that we got the uhula the tablas

875
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:10,520
the and all that come to play Chinese instruments Malay instruments the kong pang and Indian

876
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:15,840
instruments all the ethnic instruments came in together and create a pop sound yeah with

877
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:23,720
it it's it's it's not truly Singapore simply because already uniquely these instruments

878
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:31,480
belong to these ethnic groups the different ethnic groups now what would how we then make

879
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:39,820
or create or invent even a unique Singapore sound it's hard because at its roots Singapore's

880
00:50:39,820 --> 00:50:50,320
uniqueness comes from the multi cultural thing so it's like like they say even like the ethnic

881
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:55,760
groups that you're like oh that's their sound are not as diverse in their own right as we

882
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,720
are but those are based on instruments right now let's say we talk about sound style style

883
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:06,320
yeah like reggae is a style yes reggae came from the roots of creole creole is a style

884
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:12,240
yeah they created a style based on the way they speak right now what could we do but

885
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:17,040
they are those roots go back so far yeah yeah country yeah ours only go back but we're going

886
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,960
to start somewhere yeah we do don't you think we should do you think we should or shouldn't

887
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:31,600
uh it has to be authentic yeah you know like i i cannot like like like i don't want anyone to

888
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,160
be creating a Singapore sound for the sake of creating a Singapore sound it's got to come from

889
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:44,240
naturally yeah you know like like just be be be be yourself and be excellently yourself do you think

890
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:52,880
there's a need for one i don't know okay if let's say assuming on a hypothesis that there is a need

891
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:59,440
for one now let's just say for fun okay do you think it could ever happen given looking at the

892
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:05,520
current music scene and how vibrant or otherwise it is

893
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,000
um

894
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:20,320
never say never but i i that's that's okay very frankly right now i look at the music scene i see

895
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:30,400
a lot of individuality being like being kind of embraced uh more than like a specific like this

896
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:37,840
our collective country sound and i feel like that's also like kind of what is what people want to do

897
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:46,560
like time wise like like in our generation like we are more like serving ourselves

898
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:53,520
so yeah yeah which is not 100% a bad thing i do feel like embracing individuality is like

899
00:52:53,520 --> 00:53:01,120
something that we don't really have a history of doing yeah like whether it be music musically or

900
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:06,000
like your like personally but it would be nice don't you think that we have our own sound

901
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,640
yeah for sure and the only way you're saying you're one things in life sure of course of course

902
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:16,720
you know but happy things naturally but this would be a happy thing and based on what you've just said

903
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:25,600
the individuality the self-serving the self-servingness if you will of people today

904
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:32,160
general and in musos yeah people individuals um that is going to be quite hard for that to happen

905
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:39,680
if people don't come together for sure to figure it out right do you do you do you feel or know

906
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:46,880
anything at all in the past whether or not muses of old in singapore there's still muses today once a

907
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:52,480
muse always a muse though um were they were they together were they trying to get something going

908
00:53:53,600 --> 00:54:01,120
i think so i think so from what like from from the yeah from from what i hear from like what my

909
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:08,720
parents would like tell me about their you know their experiences with you know the musicians of

910
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:17,200
their day the local musicians of their day it was definitely more community-minded and yeah like it

911
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:22,800
was like everyone kind of knew each other you know you know i i've spoken with jerry fernandez

912
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:29,600
shout out to you jerry uh and with mel fernandez i told you earlier on um and and you know and um

913
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:37,280
most of my old older musician friends we all look back again i live in nostalgia

914
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:43,600
yeah in the in back in the old days man we had this thing called talent time talent time yeah

915
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:50,400
it was huge in this country sounds like a great time i was yeah um even as a kid man i i'm glued

916
00:54:50,400 --> 00:55:00,000
to the tv set and who's anyone anybody any person in singapore went through auditions in the old rts

917
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,720
radio television singapore which eventually became sbc singapore broadcasting broadcasting corporation

918
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,720
then it became tcs television corporation and now media corp yeah just give you that history

919
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:22,160
yeah and back then black and white uh orchestras yeah they they had orchestra playing like you get

920
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:27,920
big band sound stuff you know and you and and they have they break it into solo and into group

921
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:38,400
yeah and that's where degree went on yeah to compete yeah just center yeah right i think if

922
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:48,160
i'm not mistaken i'm sorry if i'm wrong corpo um oh so many yeah robert fernando so many people man

923
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:54,480
yeah names that we know today um and it was great for the country because we were growing

924
00:55:54,480 --> 00:56:02,160
yeah exposing yeah our talents yeah yeah and i remember mel saying that you know we should

925
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:08,000
we should just bring it back man i mean and back in the day right we know all these bands our local

926
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:14,160
bands the sycophant person citizen most of us especially those who love music will know who's

927
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:21,600
who yeah bands of old uh fly baits you heard of fly baits yeah geez these guys were monsters uh

928
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:28,400
uh fly bays fly bays the late great jerry la chica uh horace utapia you know he's still you know i

929
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:36,320
i i just saw him a couple months ago um gypsy where mel was from the family band uh of course

930
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:42,960
gingerbread i'm very proud to say jason and and my friends of mine um you know and dudley um and

931
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:49,200
then there's tokyo square linda elizabeth max how do we know all these kate kate hamid iskandar isma

932
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:58,960
really iskandar isma how do we know this because um back then right our broadcaster yeah would go

933
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:04,640
out there and they hunt and they see bands right and see these guys are good bring them on the show

934
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:10,480
and they come in and they perform they got a show yeah and we see them on tv they're televised yeah

935
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,720
and you say oh these guys are good and we you know we do we where they're playing man we go

936
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:20,240
find out where they play that has got to come back yeah yeah right now like the the consumption

937
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:26,800
is very curated person to person yeah of the consumer like the yeah like like people don't

938
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:33,520
really people want to hear what they want to hear and it's not much of like not much of me going

939
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:39,760
out of my way to get the music as opposed to like the music being brought to me you know how do you

940
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:47,120
feel about that well the algorithm has had great moments for me i will not lie like i i was i've

941
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:54,000
been very fortunate for you know like to be able to reach like whatever crowd that i've reached like

942
00:57:54,000 --> 00:58:04,320
that so far you know um without having to like like you know yeah i i cannot cannot tell you that i

943
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:10,480
understand what it was like no of course yeah music career like back then too yeah and and very

944
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:15,040
frankly like this is kind of all i know at the at the current moment no i'm asking for your opinion

945
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:20,560
don't ask i'm basically asking about for you but yes i do think that the culture of in person

946
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:27,600
supporting these musicians like has to be stronger yeah and and it's it exists like the support and

947
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:34,960
the community exists yeah it's just that the world's a lot bigger now and and there is just so many

948
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:42,560
so many different like like more sub like sub genre sub like uh communities yeah yeah yeah

949
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:48,080
specific stuff now man things i don't even freaking genres i don't even freaking understand now man

950
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:55,360
my son that day was telling me this is thing called hip-hop jazz i said what the hell is hip-hop jazz

951
00:58:55,360 --> 00:59:02,720
jeez good grief i can kind of like understand maybe like you're the song's a monster man

952
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:11,840
yeah no because at least yeah well but yeah like i yeah i i honestly i also spent quite a lot of

953
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:19,920
my time like not not really conversing about stuff like this like i've i've always just like

954
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:27,760
always just like try to not hide in a bubble but just focus on doing what makes me sure you see

955
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,440
but that's where you become one of those individuals don't you think uh

956
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,160
okay i would say a little yeah i wouldn't put you i don't put you in the spot me

957
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,560
but i tell you people like me people like the older guys right tell you what we wish for

958
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:51,120
we wish that we can have all of our musos

959
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:59,520
thinking for each other man you know um everyone knows who who is everyone else

960
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,400
whether or not you're younger or older doesn't matter you know we all can tap on each other's

961
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:13,760
strengths for sure and i i like i would say that muso supporting musos is not lost in our current

962
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:20,000
community i will say that it's the audience yeah it's the gen is the gen pop yeah but i think you

963
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:25,440
know what i think the gen pop can be tamed and we have got to realize that we're the ones that got

964
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:30,160
to do the taming um this is a riffing thing i told you earlier on i want to bring this up right

965
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:36,560
yep this is where i got to bring this up yeah tell me the hell's a riff a riff yeah you you heard it

966
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:43,600
in the video yeah i know so so the yeah yeah isn't those are those called runs it's okay so a riff i i

967
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:53,680
define like a riff as more of like a guitar riff i know yeah like a memorable lick or like a like a

968
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:58,480
which can be done with the voice too but it's more of like a repeating can you do one for me now in

969
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:04,960
front too it's like a i don't know you know like when like the i don't want to get you copyrighted

970
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:11,680
either or it's like the it won't be because because it's live i mean not live it's recorded now in

971
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:18,560
front of cameras it's like a yeah like if someone went like yeah yeah that's like a that's like a

972
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:25,200
voice man thing man yeah yeah but like a run would be like you know that's the bloody difference yeah

973
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:30,400
i can't tell a difference one is okay riff is repeating kind of yeah i don't think that is a

974
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,840
need to actually define it so harshly yeah it's all yeah it's just all like a lot of people

975
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:40,640
categorize riffs and runs in the same sentence it's like oh your riffs and runs you know okay so

976
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:46,080
so you're what you're saying is riff and runs are about the same thing yeah same difference like run

977
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:53,120
run is like i i like to think of it as like a singular thing right and riffs are like um

978
01:01:53,120 --> 01:02:01,040
um like they exist like a bit more in a context okay you see they here's the i think in my opinion

979
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:07,280
this is opinion uh people from my from who are older right we are straight singers yeah you know

980
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:12,640
uh you know that it's so strange but then we see the guys are thinking younger younger younger

981
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:19,440
they're all doing that we call them runs are we all doing and now the first thing i i don't know

982
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:26,000
i mean to me if every i catch a young person singing there's there's going to exist the runs

983
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:32,320
yeah yeah and then uh and i don't like it to be honest um and um i don't like the runs

984
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:40,480
gives me the runs uh and uh when i and then when i was checking you out and i went on your socials

985
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:47,680
and i saw you talking about riffs and that's when it it grew me another another another hole in my

986
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:54,080
ass because i was going like what the fuck that's not me that's not my intention i would like to

987
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,160
make it clear i was like never want to drill a hole into anyone's oh god what the hell is riffs

988
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:05,840
now is giving me a fistula so so what's riffs i know runs what are riffs and that's where and

989
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:10,880
i know guitar riffs so to me yeah i was thinking the same could it be something where you you know

990
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:16,880
you play a guitar riff and it's more repetitive and everything and you know is that what it means

991
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,280
you know so i just wanted to clear that one up it's just interchangeable in my opinion okay i'm just

992
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:27,280
i'm just being anal about this shit man just okay so which genre do you do you actually like i would

993
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:34,800
say i sit in the i sit in like an intersection of like pop rmb and acapella pop rmb acapella okay

994
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:42,080
not that acapella is like a full genre there's like there's like like um there's like there's

995
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,960
like rock acapella and there's like rmb acapella and there's like you know that there's the subgenres

996
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:54,000
in acapella yeah but i think pop rmb acapella the venn diagram intersection like in the middle is

997
01:03:54,560 --> 01:04:01,520
is vocal centric music that's what i've always been super passionate about like the like i love

998
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:09,280
listening to singers singers um yeah like the for me the voice kind of comes first not saying that

999
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:14,320
i ignore everything else but the voice comes first like the tone the control you don't really have

1000
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:18,400
to do a lot of runs but sometimes i can hear whether you just have general control over your

1001
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:24,000
voice or not okay with yeah i'm not i'm not like a i'm not like a everyone has to do runs kind of

1002
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:31,040
situation but runs are like kind of an indication sometimes of like just a bit more control a bit

1003
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:36,640
more like specific like detailed control over your instrument when you hear me saying i'm going to be

1004
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:41,840
real fucked but it's not no no no it's not it's not about that it's like note separation you got

1005
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:50,400
no control chris it's not about chris yes chris and i also don't think that every runner singer

1006
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,960
is a good singer okay yeah just because you can do runs doesn't necessarily mean you're a good

1007
01:04:54,960 --> 01:05:01,440
singer not like it it might mean you're a skilled singer but it doesn't mean you're like uh

1008
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:08,000
a emotive singer or something i do think this about time and place and everything yeah yeah

1009
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:16,320
yeah and like my my love for pop my love for like my love for pop and rmb is like it gives

1010
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:24,640
it's it makes it feeling first right yeah like it's it's it's actually always feeling first for me

1011
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:29,040
like if i don't feel it and i don't feel it you know then then the acapella kind of brings in

1012
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:33,600
the technicality of it and that's what rounds out my musicality and technicality you know you know

1013
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:42,240
all the things you just said so to me right it's this guy is so into this into this whole game

1014
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,000
the things you say the way you describe things and i'm telling myself chris thank god you didn't get

1015
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,000
into this game because i think it's going to hate you so much if he ever has to sing with you

1016
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,000
yeah yeah yeah yeah man as i said it's feeling first yeah yeah yeah i know i know i know i know i

1017
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:07,680
know i know i hate you anyways you know i i truly admire you bro i mean i gotta tell you man i mean

1018
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:12,640
the things you've done in such a short span of time is really crazy i you've done things i look

1019
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:20,400
i can only dream of ndp was one i've always wanted to host the ndp oh it's uh it's very intense oh

1020
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:25,360
sure great you know i've always wanted it but now i'm too freaking old to do it so never mind

1021
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:32,400
um and then you know um stuff you i've seen i you know you you've been on these big concert stages

1022
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:38,000
right in fort canning park blah blah blah you know and and i go my god this guy's living a life man

1023
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:44,240
really living a life man i mean for those who are entertainers those are musos we understand that

1024
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:50,640
feel you know they're having the opportunity to do these kind of things yeah um i knew i want to ask

1025
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:59,440
you though um Owen Lee's endgame what's your endgame i know you're only 23 24 years old still a

1026
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:05,040
long way to go because gotta be there's gotta be an endgame somewhere right because people will

1027
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:13,920
only perspire for things they aspire to i you know when i was years ago when it was just starting

1028
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:22,880
yeah i just wanted to like keep doing it like like get get one opportunity you know when you start

1029
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:27,600
off and you've had no opportunities all you want is that one opportunity and then over the years

1030
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:33,040
they just it just keeps coming you know and and being a freelancer it's always gonna being a

1031
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:39,520
freelancer or being a creative you're always gonna have that dip and that rise and that dip

1032
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:45,840
and then crash sometimes you know like it's never gonna be like as smooth like like that as like

1033
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:53,040
other career paths i think right so i i understand that so i don't i don't see myself like i'm not

1034
01:07:53,040 --> 01:08:00,400
saying that oh i just want to be like um constantly happy or whatever you know it's more about i just

1035
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:05,600
want to have a have a good head on my shoulders to

1036
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:14,160
keep pushing through this fulfillingly yeah and and just keep like getting better um

1037
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:22,000
because it's really i'm a i quite prioritize being present in a lot of the things that i do so

1038
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:28,880
whenever i i do like one of these shows right and i'm in that moment it's like makes me so freaking

1039
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,720
happy i just i always want to kind of chase that happiness

1040
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:39,120
yeah but eventually i do maybe want to step into

1041
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:49,040
a bit more educational stuff maybe don't don't hold me to it i'm not the most like uh what do you

1042
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:57,200
mean by educational stuff just maybe helping the next generation teach yeah yeah i i

1043
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:01,760
i i don't think i'm the world's best teacher my patience is very very very

1044
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:08,400
non-existent sometimes um but yeah i do think that you know it's important to

1045
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:13,760
to pass that on okay i mean that's noble mate i'm glad you said that because you know what

1046
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:22,320
i was half expecting you to say something well i i was wrong well chris you know i want to end up in

1047
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:27,840
the uk or the us oh and be a recording star or something like that i thought you would probably

1048
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:36,720
want to go there i like that too i don't okay i mean it's fair it's fair because you're 20 23 24

1049
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:41,280
years old man you're a young guy you got so many years ago says that can't happen in between sure

1050
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:47,040
sure but i just want to know whether that would be your the thing that you did the thing that you

1051
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:52,320
want to hit you know in your life i think at a certain point it really was and i think

1052
01:09:52,720 --> 01:10:02,080
i've got i being very honest with you it it like scares me now yeah why so um i think there's a

1053
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:12,000
certain comfort in this bubble as much as sometimes i like to i like to like you know

1054
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:17,840
like complain about like the whatever industry whatever but you know like just being here and

1055
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:22,720
being with my you know with my group and like doing doing well here with my groups or like with my

1056
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:34,480
career and you know just enjoying it yeah but the truth is actually i've always been very inspired

1057
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:43,360
and you know musically inspired by like western styles of music so yeah i i do not understand the

1058
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:51,520
okay i do not understand certain local i don't understand the love for certain like styles of

1059
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:56,640
music here as much as what i love which is fine everyone can love what they want to love right

1060
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:03,040
yeah so but the thing is like i think it's like i think it's like i think it's like i think it's

1061
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:11,440
like it's like it's like it's like the real deal you know like it's like it's almost kind of fantasy

1062
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:18,640
land for me yeah that's why i want to know i mean it it's got to be i was just that's why

1063
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:26,000
my expectations were that this young talented songs the monster would have set the sights of

1064
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:33,040
something way larger you know and uh well each to his own that's what but your plan is to teach but

1065
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:41,360
you know something man i think you can i think you can really go right past the stratosphere man

1066
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:49,440
thank you you should you really should because you it's very rare someone like you you're rare

1067
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:56,240
thank you yeah uh i've seen other people who can do their riffs and their runs and they're not going

1068
01:11:56,240 --> 01:12:03,120
to be seated in that seat nope nope nope but i got you here thank you and i'm convinced i'm very

1069
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:10,720
convinced um and anyway so i know i'm curious like i want to ask you because you yeah yeah yeah like

1070
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:18,080
i understand the whole riffs and runs thing like it's not for everybody yeah i think it's not for

1071
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:22,320
everybody yeah i totally get that like sure like don't get me wrong which is why actually when i

1072
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:28,640
when i do the stuff that i do i really try and make sure that there is some there's more than

1073
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:35,520
just that you know there's like there's just heart in it whatever it is like it can be like a totally

1074
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:40,320
riffless thing but it can be all the risks in the world but you want to see that it's authentic you

1075
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:45,600
want to see that it comes from that person's heart and so and that's when it will click that's what i

1076
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:55,600
always felt yeah so yeah i was like i i would say that i am authentically a pretty nerdy runny like

1077
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,760
you know like that's just me and i just i try not to you express it that way yeah i express it that

1078
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:05,120
way and i express it with like my harmonies and just you know creating the sounds that that make

1079
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:10,320
me like make me happy i'm not complaining about your runs and riffs man i actually love your runs

1080
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:15,680
and riffs thank you thank you uh i just feel that there's some people who just way do it way too much

1081
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:23,680
and it just overcooked you know yeah you can have you can have you can have a foie gras that's pan

1082
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:28,800
fried yeah or you can have a foie gras that's fancy fried and i can tell you the classical

1083
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:34,880
french chef will still say pan fried yeah and um it's the same thing for sure uh so i don't like

1084
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:41,040
the ones that overdo it right it's so overcooked um but yours comes in very nice that's the reason

1085
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:46,000
why when we started the show i played that video because i was so impressed by that one thank you

1086
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:57,040
i really was um and i don't i don't get so easily impressed that often to be fair uh yeah if if if

1087
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:02,160
the people that come on this tribute show if they have contributed or still contributing

1088
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:08,400
to the music business and industry uh via whatever they do they could be a club owner

1089
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:14,000
uh they could even be radio dj's they could be you know not just musicians alone right

1090
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:20,080
as long as it's helping to grow music here in singapore and i feel that they're really doing

1091
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:25,120
something great or done something great or will be something great then they sit in that chair

1092
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:32,720
sit in that chair okay if not you can fuck it man that's not gonna happen man well we know we're

1093
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:39,520
gonna be singing a song and uh and i'm gonna tell you now man i watched this video of you

1094
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:45,360
okay singing this song and the song that we're gonna go about singing can we play that that

1095
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:54,080
video please kai this one yeah that's the one oh man this is a great night where was this

1096
01:14:54,080 --> 01:15:01,680
man i'll tell you later

1097
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:15,840
easy

1098
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:38,840
I can't help falling in love with you.

1099
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:48,840
Oh wow. Thanks Kai. Thank you Kai.

1100
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:53,840
You know something man, you know when I saw you sing that song.

1101
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,840
The thing about me is this.

1102
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,840
A singer is a singer.

1103
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,840
A singer can be a good singer, a great singer even.

1104
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,840
But first you must be an entertainer. I believe so too.

1105
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,840
Yeah and you've got people singing along with you.

1106
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,840
There's a vibe that you exude.

1107
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:15,840
And you love it when people actually interact and work with you.

1108
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,840
You work the crowd.

1109
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:24,840
And when you work that room or work that crowd, to me, that guy's an entertainer.

1110
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,840
So that's cool. And then you sang that song right?

1111
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,840
Let me tell you something about that song.

1112
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:33,840
I do a lot of Elvis. I've been doing it for a long time.

1113
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:35,840
I can fucking remember.

1114
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,840
And I still do it.

1115
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:44,840
And actually that's a song that I got onto my knees doing a show.

1116
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:46,840
In front of ministers and stuff.

1117
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:51,840
And my wife was my manager.

1118
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:56,840
And that was where I proposed to her singing the song.

1119
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:00,840
So this is a very very important song to me.

1120
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,840
So that's something we're going to be doing right at the end of the show.

1121
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:06,840
But thank you so very much for being on the show really.

1122
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,840
For coming all this way and spending time with me today.

1123
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:10,840
Of course, of course.

1124
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:11,840
I hope you had fun.

1125
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,840
I had a blast. I learned so much.

1126
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,840
Oh come on. I'm the one that's learned a lot man.

1127
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:17,840
No, no, no. I think it's a mutual.

1128
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,840
Geez. No good. No, no, no. I mean dude.

1129
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:25,840
I mean there's no way that I can even come close to who you are and what you've done man.

1130
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:32,840
I mean at this age of yours, 24, and done whatever you've done so far.

1131
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,840
God the world is your oyster man.

1132
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,840
Really man. I am a big admirer of yours.

1133
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,840
I'm very very proud to have had you on the show.

1134
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,840
And my tribute to you my friend.

1135
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,840
Keep the music rolling. Okay. Thank you.

1136
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,840
Everyone thank you so very much for watching this episode of Tribute to SG's Music Icons.

1137
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:56,840
With me and my guest, the guy I have given tribute to Owen Lee.

1138
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:58,840
Watch out for this young man.

1139
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,840
He's a freaking monster. Okay.

1140
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,840
Really. This guy.

1141
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,840
Watch. Mark my words.

1142
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:08,840
He's going to be one of the next big things here.

1143
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:09,840
Thank you so much.

1144
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,840
Thanks for being on the show.

1145
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,840
And until next time people.

1146
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,840
Keep season four going.

1147
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,840
Please watch the rest of our episodes.

1148
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:19,840
And until the next time.

1149
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,840
This is Chris Hansen saying I'll see you again.

1150
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,840
Okay. Bye bye.

1151
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:52,840
Music

1152
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:58,840
Love with you

1153
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:06,840
Shall I stay

1154
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:13,840
Would it be all the same

1155
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:27,840
If I can't help falling in love with you

1156
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:32,840
Like a river flows

1157
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:36,840
Churning through the sea

1158
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,840
Darling so it goes

1159
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:46,840
Some things are meant to be

1160
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:52,840
Take my hand

1161
01:19:53,840 --> 01:20:00,840
Take my whole life too

1162
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:06,840
For I, I can't, I can't help

1163
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:14,840
Falling in love with you

1164
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,840
Like a river flows

1165
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,840
Truly to the sea

1166
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,840
Darling so it goes

1167
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:33,840
Some things are meant to be

1168
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:39,840
Take my hand

1169
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:47,840
Take my whole life too

1170
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:53,840
For I, I can't, I can't help

1171
01:20:53,840 --> 01:21:01,840
Falling in love with you

1172
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,840
One more time.

1173
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:08,840
For I, I can't, I can't help

1174
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:20,840
Falling in love with you

1175
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,840
That was brilliant, dude.

1176
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,840
We never had it that way.

1177
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,840
I was just kind of vibing off of your vibe, man.

1178
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,840
I mean, my vibe. Again, I'm going to say this old man vibe.

1179
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,840
I love, like, I love, I'm very used to a...

1180
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,840
I like to think that I am a versatile...

1181
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:43,840
You are.

1182
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:44,840
Yeah, I...

1183
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:45,840
You are.

1184
01:21:45,840 --> 01:22:07,840
Mmm.