1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,200 I am single. 2 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:02,200 Oh god. 3 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,200 Is that a answer? 4 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:05,200 Oh I'm a single lady. 5 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,200 I'm a single lady. 6 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,200 Chris, can your pot touch show bring him at least a girlfriend? 7 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:11,200 Adi is single. 8 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,200 Check out the biceps man. 9 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:14,200 Look at the biceps. 10 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:15,200 That's why I'm single. 11 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,200 And he's got salt and pepper on his head too man. 12 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,800 I mean how sexy can a man get right? 13 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:22,800 Salt and pepper on the head. 14 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,600 Hey everybody. 15 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,200 Welcome back to the Chris Hansen conversation. 16 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,200 Guess what? 17 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:37,100 It's Christmas time and it is the time to be jolly, the time to get your egg knocks 18 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:43,000 ready and it is also my Christmas special and I have two very special people in the 19 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:49,800 studio which we are also paying tribute to as our tribute to SG's music icons. 20 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,200 And the reason why I got these two here with me is because A, bloody harmony is freaking 21 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,200 amazing. 22 00:00:55,200 --> 00:01:00,200 B, they're so super damn busy I tell you just about everywhere and anywhere you look around 23 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,800 these people are actually performing some fucking place somewhere in Singapore. 24 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,200 I can tell you that much man. 25 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,200 They are so busy because everybody just wants them. 26 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,200 And you know what? 27 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,200 I have got to get them here because A, I'm curious. 28 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,200 I want to find out more. 29 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,200 B, also because these people are real talents man and they're young. 30 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,200 Younger than me anyway. 31 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,800 And there's a bright future in Singapore for music and I like to go on preaching about 32 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:25,800 that. 33 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:33,200 This nation needs to keep its soul alive and our music therefore must always continue to 34 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,200 thrive. 35 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,400 So, I have with me on my left, Adi. 36 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:38,400 Hi. 37 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,400 And on my right, Shidi. 38 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:41,400 Hello. 39 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,400 And these guys are called Shidi and Adi. 40 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,400 I mean, I mean, what else right? 41 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:47,400 Thanks for being here guys. 42 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,400 Thank you for inviting us to the show. 43 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:50,400 No, thanks really, really man. 44 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,200 I mean, I know you guys are really, really busy and to just take the time off just to 45 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,400 be here with me on the show is really pretty freaking amazing. 46 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,600 I get that problem all the time, especially from you from musos who are so sought after. 47 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,400 Oh gosh, you cannot imagine. 48 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:06,400 Right, Kai? 49 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,760 I tell you man, just to fix schedules down and not people down to come on and come on 50 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:11,760 to the show. 51 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:12,760 Okay. 52 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:13,760 Give me a damn date. 53 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,800 But really thanks so much for being here, man. 54 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:16,800 Really. 55 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:17,800 Okay. 56 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:18,800 I'm going to go this way. 57 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:19,800 I'm going to go ladies first. 58 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:20,800 Okay. 59 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,800 Okay. 60 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:22,800 I'm going to be asking questions. 61 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,920 Some of them will be for each individual. 62 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:27,200 Some of it will be for both of you collectively. 63 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,200 Okay. 64 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,200 So you got to go through me to get through her. 65 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,680 She's got to go through me to get to you, right? 66 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:33,680 Okay. 67 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:34,680 So, ha ha. 68 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,840 Bloody big brick wall. 69 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,480 Very simple question, which I ask of practically all my guests. 70 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:41,720 Shirley signing with you. 71 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,280 Can you tell everyone here who Shili is all about? 72 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,560 Who and what Shili is all about? 73 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:50,560 Sure. 74 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:51,560 Sure. 75 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,280 So, who is the half of Shili and Adi? 76 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,600 Well, yeah, that one we know. 77 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:01,280 So between the two of us, I would be doing half the singing together with Adi. 78 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,600 So that's our concept. 79 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:10,720 And we always combine our strengths together to overcome our weaknesses. 80 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,520 Wow, you really caught me by that. 81 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:14,960 Yeah, everybody else actually. 82 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:15,960 Yeah. 83 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:16,960 Yeah. 84 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,680 And I also help to take care of the business aspect of the two of us. 85 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:21,680 Okay. 86 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,760 So in terms of like, like I sing with the clients and also- 87 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:24,760 The commercial aspect. 88 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:25,760 Yeah, the commercial aspect. 89 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:26,760 Right. 90 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:27,760 Yeah. 91 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:28,760 And yeah. 92 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,160 You didn't answer my question actually. 93 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,160 So what makes Shili? 94 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,160 Yes. 95 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,160 S-H-I-L-I, five letters. 96 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,160 I know. 97 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,160 Yeah. 98 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,160 But what, what, what are you all about? 99 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,160 What am I all about? 100 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,160 Yeah, you. 101 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,160 The person. 102 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:44,800 Um, the driving force, I guess, of Shili and Adi. 103 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:45,800 Oh, wow. 104 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:46,800 Okay. 105 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:47,800 Uh huh. 106 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:48,800 I think. 107 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:49,800 Right, Adi. 108 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:50,800 I was talking about you, the person. 109 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:51,800 By me, as a person? 110 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:52,800 You, yeah. 111 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:53,800 What are you all about? 112 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:54,800 What am I all about? 113 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:55,800 Yeah. 114 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:56,800 Hmm. 115 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:57,800 Passions. 116 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:58,800 Passions. 117 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,800 Let's start with that. 118 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,800 I like creating happy moments for people. 119 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:03,800 Okay. 120 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:04,800 Yeah. 121 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,480 And so that's why, um, when we decided to take Shili and Adi, like leaving our day jobs 122 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:15,280 to pursue this like full-time, you know, I actually, um, had on my site, my own events 123 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,280 company as well. 124 00:04:16,280 --> 00:04:17,280 Okay. 125 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:18,280 Called Mary B's, like an agency. 126 00:04:18,280 --> 00:04:20,520 Ah, that's your YouTube channel too, right? 127 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:21,520 Isn't it? 128 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:22,520 Um, not really. 129 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,360 I think that's like the management agency aspect of like us. 130 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:27,360 I see. 131 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,200 So it helps to schedule us, uh, plan our... 132 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,680 Because you guys pop up all the time on my YouTube feeds, man. 133 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Okay. 134 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,680 That's great to know. 135 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:35,680 That's great to know. 136 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,680 I'll let my team know that. 137 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:38,680 Yeah. 138 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:39,680 Yeah, you guys pop up. 139 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,120 I mean, I did a great job because you pop up so often. 140 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,560 So I, that's why I had to ask you that. 141 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:44,560 Okay. 142 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:45,560 So that's you. 143 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:46,560 How about you, Adi? 144 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,360 Wait, firstly, I have to say, right, that has got to be the best introduction we've 145 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,240 ever had of us. 146 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,360 I think we have to re-record that and then bring it, bring you with us everywhere we 147 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:58,360 go, right? 148 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,360 Yeah. 149 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,440 Whenever we, whenever we have to, they have to introduce us on stage. 150 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,560 Can we just press play to Chris Hansen's recording of our introduction? 151 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:05,560 His voice. 152 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,000 That one is called, that one is called a voice over charge along with licensing to the voice 153 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,000 of the next six months. 154 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,000 Please, please, please, my business manager over there. 155 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Yeah. 156 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,000 We'll negotiate. 157 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,000 She has revealed herself to be the commercial, commercial person. 158 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Well, I'm glad you like the intro though. 159 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 I'm glad you like the intro. 160 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,440 But what about you, man? 161 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,480 I mean, Adi, what are you all about? 162 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:25,480 Who are you? 163 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,120 Adi, we, Adi is a me. 164 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:37,000 So I am, I think in the group, I am the music, I am the soul, I am the, well, the soul has 165 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,000 to be the both of us, but I mean, the brains. 166 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Yeah. 167 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,000 The brains. 168 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,000 I'm getting confused now. 169 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,720 You, you, you, now you're saying you're the brains, but you're the one that's saying that 170 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:47,720 you drive the business. 171 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:48,720 I drive, but he's the brains. 172 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:49,720 Okay. 173 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:50,720 So you're the brains behind the production. 174 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:51,720 So he's the talent. 175 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,320 You mean the production, whatever you guys produce on stage, you're the brains? 176 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,160 So I think, I think that's why we, you cannot talk about Srilankan ID individually because 177 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,160 we just compliment each other too much. 178 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,880 That's the reason, that's the only reason why I want to split you up. 179 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:06,880 It's difficult to do that. 180 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:07,880 It's difficult. 181 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:08,880 It's really difficult. 182 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:09,880 I'm splitting you up. 183 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,280 I'm not splitting you up because I want to split you up per se, but because I get to 184 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:16,840 see the insights of how things truly work. 185 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:17,840 Yeah. 186 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:20,040 Rather than me, you know, doing it. 187 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,840 You've been through tons of interviews, I'm sure. 188 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:24,920 And I'm pretty sure they all kept you guys together. 189 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:30,080 I'm sorry, but I am just not like any boring mundane piece of shit asking questions, man. 190 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,920 I really want to know why and what make people really tick, you know, and what makes this 191 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,440 outfit, the outfit that it is. 192 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:43,120 And now you're saying, you said, Shirli, that you drive the business, but you're the brains 193 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,880 in terms of the production and the conceptualization on stage. 194 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:46,880 Is that it? 195 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:47,880 I think so. 196 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:48,880 Because Srilankan ID is all about music. 197 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:49,880 It's about harmony, right? 198 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:55,760 So there has to be someone who designs the entire concept, arranges the entire music 199 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:56,760 production and performance. 200 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:57,760 So I think that that's where I come into it. 201 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,800 The orchestration, the arrangement, the conceptualization, how you're going to be, you know, as performers, 202 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,360 as entertainers on stage. 203 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:05,800 Maybe the arts part of it. 204 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:06,800 The arts part. 205 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,880 The money part of it is that side. 206 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,760 So we are very efficient in that way. 207 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,560 Like he takes care of this, you know, and I don't meddle with it. 208 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,100 I let him arrange it. 209 00:07:16,100 --> 00:07:20,000 And then for me, it's like, I can give some of the inputs if you ask. 210 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,200 And like the commercial aspect of it, like I help him handle it so that he doesn't need 211 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,200 to think about it. 212 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:25,200 Right. 213 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,520 So vice versa, you leave the commercial aspect mostly to her. 214 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:29,520 Yes. 215 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:30,520 Not mostly, all. 216 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:31,520 I trust her. 217 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:32,520 Implicitly. 218 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:38,760 She's just bringing us, you know, to places so I think she's done a very good job in that. 219 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,800 So all I do is just focus on the music and to create this signature sound that Sheeran 220 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:44,800 Adi is all about. 221 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:45,800 Right. 222 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:46,800 Yeah. 223 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:47,800 Okay. 224 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:48,800 Thanks for the answer, but you still didn't answer my question. 225 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:49,800 Just much like Sheeran. 226 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,240 I'm just asking about what makes you tick, man? 227 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,920 What are you about, man? 228 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:54,920 I am single. 229 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:55,920 Oh, is that an answer? 230 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:56,920 Oh, I'm a singleist. 231 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:57,920 I'm a singleist. 232 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:58,920 Chris, can your podcast show bring him again? 233 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,880 At least a girlfriend. 234 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,880 Adi is single. 235 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,280 Check out the biceps, man. 236 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:08,280 Look at the biceps. 237 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:09,280 That's why I'm saying answer like that. 238 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:10,280 So it's like bringing the guns out. 239 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,280 And he's got salt and pepper on his head too, man. 240 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,880 I mean, how sexy can a man get, right? 241 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:16,880 Salt and pepper on the head. 242 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,200 Now, come on, come on. 243 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:19,200 Okay. 244 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,200 What are you all about, mate? 245 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,560 I mean, what makes you Adi? 246 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:27,040 So, okay. 247 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,040 Music is one. 248 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,880 Music is one aspect of it. 249 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:30,880 Okay. 250 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,320 If I have to deep dive into myself, right? 251 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,720 I think family is a big part of it. 252 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:37,720 Family and friends. 253 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:44,640 I am a big believer in long time friendships. 254 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:49,680 So I am, you know, in my secondary school gang and JC gang, I'm always the one who is 255 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:50,680 the glue of it all. 256 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:51,680 I mean, I'm the one who... 257 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:52,680 Initiates. 258 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:53,680 ...all that. 259 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:54,680 Family during COVID especially. 260 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:56,160 I mean, we just went through that. 261 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,320 I am the one who initiated, eh, video call, where are you? 262 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,320 And all this. 263 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,320 So, yeah. 264 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,320 So why? 265 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,000 Because I just need that in my life. 266 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,000 So I'm a family guy. 267 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:14,000 I'm a emotional sentimental guy who thrives on relationships. 268 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Usually good musos are. 269 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Yeah? 270 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,000 Emo guy. 271 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:22,680 I am the typical emo muso. 272 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:27,240 Let me just, I'm going to be very brutally frank with my question here. 273 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,240 How old are you, Adi? 274 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:30,240 38. 275 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,240 Holy crap. 276 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:32,480 How old are you? 277 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:33,480 Just turned 39. 278 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:34,480 Say 38 lah. 279 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:35,480 38. 280 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:36,480 Oh yeah, sorry. 281 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:37,480 We're the same batch. 282 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:38,480 We're the same batch. 283 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:39,480 Okay. 284 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:40,480 Just turned 39, you're 38. 285 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,480 So that means you're going to be 39 this year. 286 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:42,480 Yes. 287 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:43,600 But you guys are so young. 288 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,600 My goodness gracious me. 289 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,000 Thank you, Chris. 290 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,000 It's okay for me asking that kind of question. 291 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,520 No, he's fishing for compliments because he's going to say that my salt and pepper, my hair 292 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,120 is whiter than his. 293 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,640 I'm not fishing for compliments. 294 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:04,400 The point is that it's good for me to know because, and you shouldn't, my guests shouldn't, 295 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,640 unless they're older than me. 296 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,760 Most of my guests anyway, when I ask that question, shouldn't shy away from it simply 297 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,440 because look man, I mean, you're not, if you're in your thirties or even in your forties in 298 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,320 my book, you're still very young and there's still a lot more that you can do, a lot more 299 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,120 to look forward to, isn't it? 300 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,120 Yeah. 301 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,440 But I asked that question also because this is where it leads me, this part here. 302 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:30,680 When did you respectively, individually start off your journey into music? 303 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:32,400 How did it begin for you? 304 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:33,400 Was there an influence? 305 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:34,400 Definitely so. 306 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:41,160 But I think we stumbled upon Shirley and Adi because we met as friends in junior college. 307 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,920 Wait, you see you're going back to Shirley and Adi. 308 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,920 Let's talk about individually respectively. 309 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,320 This is the first for us because we always talk about us as a group. 310 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,120 I'll let Shirley handle this while I think about my answer. 311 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,120 I'm so glad. 312 00:10:54,120 --> 00:11:00,120 I'm so glad because I don't want to be like everyone else and ask the same things. 313 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,120 So I'm going to go this way again. 314 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,520 I have to do it this way. 315 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,080 So okay, to get the best answers. 316 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,560 Shirley, how did it, when did it begin for you? 317 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:14,680 It began for me when I started singing in the choir. 318 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:17,040 This was back in MGS days. 319 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,040 School days. 320 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,040 School days. 321 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,040 Oh MGS ah. 322 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,040 Yeah. 323 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,040 This is what I'm talking about. 324 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,880 This is the kind of things I want to know. 325 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,480 Okay so you started singing in a choir in school in MGS. 326 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,280 No, no actually we started, I started in the shower. 327 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:33,280 Yeah. 328 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:34,280 Well that's a good place. 329 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,280 Yeah, yeah really really. 330 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:40,400 So I remember like my first CD that my mum brought home was like Winnie Houston's The 331 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,400 Bodyguard right? 332 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,400 Oh wow. 333 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,840 And there were three because we bought a mini compo. 334 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:45,840 Mini compo yeah. 335 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,440 Yeah yeah that has like two cassette players and then the CD player and then like a bunch 336 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:51,440 of stuff. 337 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:52,440 Sounds like a Sony. 338 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:53,440 Yeah. 339 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,040 So like I think I think I was like six or seven years old. 340 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,040 Okay. 341 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,720 Yeah so that was my first time listening to like CDs and then the other CD was like Win 342 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,040 of Change, The Scorpions. 343 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,040 Oh gosh okay. 344 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,040 And the third CD was. 345 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,040 I hate that song. 346 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,040 Okay yeah. 347 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,360 Yeah the third CD was like Pocahontas, like the soundtracks. 348 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:11,360 So Colours of the Wind. 349 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,360 Colours of the Wind. 350 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:13,360 Yeah yeah yeah. 351 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,360 What's her face now? 352 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:15,360 Denise Williams. 353 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:16,360 No no no. 354 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:17,360 Vanessa Williams. 355 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:18,360 Vanessa Williams yeah. 356 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,360 Yeah yeah yeah. 357 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:20,360 The most beautiful. 358 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,560 So yeah yeah yeah yeah she was a Miss USA and she was dethroned. 359 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:25,560 Yeah. 360 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:27,560 Yeah because of a Playboy thing right? 361 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:29,440 Yeah so silly yeah. 362 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,960 Wait can we not digress from this musical journey? 363 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,960 Why are we digressing man? 364 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:34,960 This is a conversation man. 365 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:35,960 Come on let's not worry. 366 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,960 We don't have to worry about digressing. 367 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:39,960 What do you think man? 368 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,720 Have you been dethroned because of that or decrowned? 369 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,320 I think at that time you know back in the 90s it was just difficult. 370 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,280 Yeah I know that's why I wish I was in my 20s now. 371 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,400 And I think right because she was also black right? 372 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,120 No I don't think that was the case. 373 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,040 I really think it was because there was the ultra conservatives at the time. 374 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:03,800 I mean I was I was I was what that was what 1990 something right? 375 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:04,800 92? 376 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:05,800 Yeah about there. 377 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:06,800 I was a young man. 378 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:07,800 I wasn't born yet I don't know. 379 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,000 I was so like oh my god she's gorgeous man this girl. 380 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000 She's beautiful. 381 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Oh yeah. 382 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,000 And she sounds great. 383 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,200 Oh yeah yeah oh yeah. 384 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:17,960 And yeah it was really silly. 385 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,880 It was okay Vanessa Williams the bodyguard. 386 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,920 Well I was working already when the bodyguard came out. 387 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:26,920 Whoops. 388 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:31,840 And okay so you you you you you listened to that and you started to what what's the feeling 389 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:32,840 you got? 390 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,520 Not really actually I never thought I would sing. 391 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:35,520 Really? 392 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:36,520 Yeah. 393 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:37,520 And then what happened? 394 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:42,840 I think like when I went to uni like I didn't get my scholarship renewed. 395 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,320 So I was looking for like opportunities to like make extra income on the side while seeing 396 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:48,320 myself through NUS. 397 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:49,320 Okay. 398 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:54,040 Yeah so so back when I was doing a lot of choir right then I was I realized that I could 399 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:59,960 like sing you know and I like singing so much because after MGS I went to VJ for the choir 400 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:04,080 and then that was when I actually met Adi and then we became friends because we were 401 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,320 part of the committee of like Victoria Junior College Choir and then we represented Singapore 402 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,160 in choir Olympics. 403 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:18,440 Then in NUS I left choir for to do other CCAs like NUS Jazz Band, the Ken Ridgehall Rockers 404 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,120 and we wrote for hall production and we sang a lot in hall. 405 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,120 Jam and Hopps and all that. 406 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,440 Something like that but they call it something different during my time. 407 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,440 Okay I'm showing my age man. 408 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,440 I think like it was called Talent Quest or like Jam Aloud or something like that. 409 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,680 Jam and Hopps sounds much better. 410 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,880 So it was really really fun like meeting a lot of friends yeah and creating music with 411 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:44,320 like my band and then we were going out for competitions and all that so I think like 412 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:50,920 it really was very fun for me to be able to create joy in occasions. 413 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,440 Yeah I'm sorry I just I want to dig deeper. 414 00:14:54,440 --> 00:15:00,420 That point when you said that when I was in the choir I realized that I could sing. 415 00:15:00,420 --> 00:15:08,760 When you say that, that moment in time when you felt that I realized that I can sing, 416 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,480 what was it that made you realize that hey I can sing? 417 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:13,480 Because the... 418 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:14,480 What was it? 419 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:22,000 I remember we were like going for a competition and then like the choral conductor singled 420 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,120 me out and said can you try this line for the solo? 421 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,120 Okay. 422 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,200 Yeah I mean being a choir we sang as a group right but when you are being auditioned for 423 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:37,200 a solo part and then you realize that out of the 80 girls then maybe you stood a chance. 424 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,800 So and usually the solos are given to like... 425 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:41,800 The stronger singers. 426 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,880 Yeah like something someone that stands out. 427 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:45,880 Okay. 428 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:46,880 Yeah. 429 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,320 So you realize at that point that hey you know what I think I've got this quality? 430 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:51,320 Maybe. 431 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:56,600 It was like maybe or maybe I'm just pure like just very loud and they wanted me to single 432 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,000 me out to sing that solo. 433 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:03,440 Okay then how do you evolve then into shouldy today, the singer you know the person that 434 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:04,440 you... 435 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:05,440 I mean you sound really good. 436 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:06,440 You sound really good. 437 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:07,440 You're very kind. 438 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:08,440 No no you sound good. 439 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,000 Look guys let me make one thing very very clear. 440 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,920 The tribute show I don't take lightly. 441 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:21,400 The people that I invite to give tribute to it's a tribute. 442 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:22,760 So if you're here... 443 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,320 Thank you. 444 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,320 In my book you're something. 445 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,680 I really don't give a flying fuck what anyone else out there thinks about who I give tribute 446 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,120 to but this is what I feel. 447 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:41,160 People ought to be recognized right and I love Musos young and old you know and I always 448 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:47,000 believe that in some way or other I got to do my small little bit to ensure that musicians 449 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,800 are known out there. 450 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,000 Our musicians. 451 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,320 Thank you for doing what you do. 452 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:57,280 Yeah and I don't want to stop doing that because I think Musos through the years have not really 453 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:02,240 been so cherished by people in this country. 454 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,560 We have numb nuts in the audiences you know. 455 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,200 I don't care how I say it. 456 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,040 You don't have to repeat after me. 457 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,040 The audience is getting more and more numb nuts but we'll talk about it later on. 458 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,840 So let me just finish with your story then I can go to Adi. 459 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,640 So you realized at that time when you were in a choir you were singled out to do solo 460 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,280 and you got into the bands and you started competing as well? 461 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:26,280 Yeah. 462 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,760 I had stage fright so I never really thought like I would do this until now. 463 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,000 I thought it was just going to be like a phase that I will go through. 464 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:40,720 Okay and at that point when you started gigging was because you wanted to make sure that you 465 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:47,280 can earn extra income because of the scholarship issue in doing your varsity days right. 466 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:56,160 So at that stage when you started to do your gigging stuff did you at any time feel that 467 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,120 you know I'm going to do this full time? 468 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:01,200 No. 469 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,560 You still wanted to go and find a day job? 470 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,480 I was determined to join the corporate world. 471 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:07,480 Determined to? 472 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:08,480 Yes. 473 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,040 May I ask what was the degree all about? 474 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:15,200 We both studied the same course in NUS. 475 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,780 Which course is that? 476 00:18:16,780 --> 00:18:19,240 It was called Industrial and Systems Engineering. 477 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:20,240 Okay. 478 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:21,240 Wow. 479 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:22,240 Cheap man. 480 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,240 What the heck is that? 481 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:24,240 Until today I don't know bro. 482 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:25,240 I mean I don't know what was the degree. 483 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,240 What the? 484 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,240 You still don't know what? 485 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,440 I still remember my favourite modules. 486 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,680 Yeah like things about ergonomics and stuff. 487 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,480 But there was a lot of maths and programming and optimisation which like was a little bit 488 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:37,680 too technical for me. 489 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:42,960 But I appreciate the knowledge that we have learnt lah although I never practised it. 490 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,560 But you were determined to go into the corporate world according to you. 491 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:47,560 And why? 492 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:48,560 Why? 493 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:56,520 I think like when I come from when my upbringing is that you know everybody goes to have a 494 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:57,520 nine to five job. 495 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:58,520 Mainstream. 496 00:18:58,520 --> 00:18:59,520 Yeah. 497 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:00,520 Inventional thinking. 498 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,520 In fact all the time that I was growing up I always thought like I would hopefully be 499 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,320 a doctor, lawyer, accountant or engineer. 500 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,240 That's why I studied engineering. 501 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,240 Okay. 502 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,160 So your idea was to go out there and become an engineer in a corporate world? 503 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,160 Not really. 504 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,160 In a commercial world. 505 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,080 I think like in the university it was a little bit of a different experience for me. 506 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:24,360 Like I never knew that I could meet so many people by performing. 507 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:27,160 And being able to make so many friends as well. 508 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:35,280 So I think I kind of like saw that as a very wonderful opportunity to deviate and get distracted. 509 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,680 But it was a very amazing experience like how everything come together. 510 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:45,560 Because ironically when we graduated it was you know the Lehman Brothers crash. 511 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,440 So all the companies were not hiring. 512 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,640 And our first job, me and Adi, at that time we were already singing for one and a half 513 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,840 years in bars right Adi? 514 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:55,840 Yep. 515 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:56,840 In bars. 516 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:57,840 Yeah. 517 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,800 Our first place that we performed that was Red Dot Brew House. 518 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:02,800 Sorry? 519 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:03,800 At Dempsey. 520 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,920 At Dempsey a bar called Red Dot Brew House. 521 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,520 Red Dot Brew House okay. 522 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,680 Yeah so we were singing there on Saturday nights and we were year three students in 523 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:13,680 NUS. 524 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:14,680 Wow okay. 525 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:15,680 So it was quite near to NUS. 526 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,120 But it's a weekend gig lah? 527 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:18,120 Yeah every Saturday. 528 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:19,120 Okay. 529 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:22,560 So it was a lot of opportunities after that because people who saw us perform there would 530 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:27,920 invite us to do events like weddings and their private parties and so forth. 531 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,360 So when we graduated a lot of corporate companies were not hiring. 532 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:36,840 And you know like I think in our batch probably the first class owners you know. 533 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:37,840 They get the jobs. 534 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:38,840 They get the jobs first. 535 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,680 Yeah consultancy companies, engineering companies. 536 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:46,200 But for me it was difficult yeah because my results were like kind of average. 537 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,400 I mean it makes sense because you are multitasking so many things when you're in the uni right. 538 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,680 So it's very hard to focus on being an A student and besides engineering I realized wasn't 539 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:55,680 really my thing. 540 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:00,400 Okay but you did get your degree eventually right? 541 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,280 Oh yeah I'm very thankful for Adi for that. 542 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,160 He was my classmate. 543 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,880 Okay so this is now where I switch from you over to Adi. 544 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,720 So Adi how did it all begin for you man? 545 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,800 What was the influence? 546 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:20,480 So when I was small right my introduction to music wasn't as successful as my parents 547 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,480 would have thought I think. 548 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:28,400 So as with all other parents at that time they wanted to send their kids to piano, classical, 549 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,400 lessons and all that. 550 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,400 Cillie you also did right? 551 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,400 Yeah I did. 552 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,400 I did my grade 8 as well. 553 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:34,400 Wow. 554 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,360 Wait wait I have the question actually. 555 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:37,560 Were you doing it happily? 556 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,280 Like were you happy? 557 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,640 I was just doing it because I was a competitive kid. 558 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,600 I saw all my friends did it, my mom was like yeah you gotta take piano. 559 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,600 I think at least you had that drive right? 560 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:47,600 So for me... 561 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,440 No I just wanted to get over with the exams. 562 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,600 Okay but at least then it gets you on over it. 563 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,840 But for me I hated my piano lessons. 564 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,240 It was weekly I think it was every Wednesday I remember. 565 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,760 So every Wednesday in my house is a battle between me and my mom or my helper whoever 566 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,240 that was at home to drag me into the car to go to the piano lessons. 567 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,880 I will cry, I will lock myself in the room. 568 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,120 How old were you man? 569 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:14,600 This was primary one so I was 7. 570 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:15,600 7 okay. 571 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,160 Yeah I hated it to the core. 572 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,120 I didn't like why does my mom have to... 573 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:23,320 So oh wait my mom plays the piano. 574 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,320 Okay. 575 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,760 I think she also wants the kids to... 576 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,480 But why did you hate it man? 577 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,640 Looking back I have no reason for that. 578 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:36,000 Like I think it's just a kid being rebellious to whatever the parent wants to do. 579 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,200 Maybe you felt that it was too mechanical and people were telling you what to do and 580 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,400 you didn't like it. 581 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,800 I think it was because I was told what to do. 582 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:49,240 If it was my own want then maybe I would like it. 583 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,240 I don't know I cannot... 584 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,400 Anyway you know psychoanalyzing myself right now I'm not sure what the reason was. 585 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,760 It's fine psychoanalyze yourself man, it's very healthy. 586 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:03,520 I don't know what was the reason but I hated it and then so I think four years down the 587 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:04,800 road I was grade 6 already. 588 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,680 My mom finally landed because I kept begging please please please I don't want. 589 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,600 But you made it all the way to grade 6 and then you were still banging kicking your feet 590 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,440 and banging tables about this? 591 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,440 Yeah. 592 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,440 Okay. 593 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,440 Winning competition along the way lah. 594 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,800 Holy shit and you were still like please I want to stop this. 595 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,800 Okay. 596 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:23,800 Still I hated it. 597 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:30,680 So I think finally my mom looking at my mantel said at that time I guess I find joy somewhere 598 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,760 else that it's not piano. 599 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:33,760 What is that? 600 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:34,760 What joy is that? 601 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:35,760 I don't know. 602 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,760 Study study study. 603 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:37,760 I think studies was it. 604 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:38,760 No Adi you just. 605 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,480 It's not that you didn't like piano you didn't like classical piano. 606 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:42,480 I don't think so. 607 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,480 Really? 608 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:44,480 Yeah. 609 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,280 It was just because my mom sent me to swimming. 610 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,680 So you didn't know about this either. 611 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,360 Swimming lessons, piano lessons. 612 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:51,360 I hated both. 613 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,040 Oh I love swimming. 614 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:58,600 Whatever that my parents don't tell me to do and I find it myself like studies for example 615 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,600 I like it. 616 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,800 So I did damn well in school. 617 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:03,800 So anyways back to the story. 618 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,920 Yeah that's why you came here on scholarship just like I did. 619 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,400 Wait wait so back to the story. 620 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:13,240 So grade 6 is finally when my mom relented and I said okay okay okay you can just finish. 621 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,880 Wait wait wait you said something that piqued my curiosity. 622 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,720 You came here on that's why you came here on scholarship. 623 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,840 What do you mean? 624 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,840 Okay this story was happening in Indonesia. 625 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:26,840 I am from Indonesia. 626 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,520 Ah see Revelation I know that. 627 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,520 Alright Revelation. 628 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,520 Okay that's why I say who is Adi. 629 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,520 So you're Indonesian. 630 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:35,520 I am Indonesian. 631 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,520 No wonder your accent sounds Indonesian to me. 632 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,520 Yeah. 633 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,520 Orang Indonesia lah bang. 634 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,520 Ah okay Pak. 635 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,520 Alright Pak. 636 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:43,520 Discovery. 637 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:44,520 Oh yes yes yes. 638 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:45,520 Okay so where was I? 639 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:55,840 Ah so finally I got my mom to release me from my weekly misery of piano lessons. 640 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:03,400 So and then this is where then I started you know at that time 9596 MTV was huge. 641 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,720 Boy bands who take that Backstreet Boys and all this. 642 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:18,040 And then in school we had to bring a musical instrument with that's either recorder or 643 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,040 we call it pianica. 644 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,480 I don't think you have it here. 645 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,480 Recorder. 646 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,480 It's a melodian is it? 647 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,480 So it's like a small keyboard. 648 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,480 Yeah with a keyboard. 649 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,480 Melodian. 650 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,480 Yeah. 651 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,480 That's not a recorder. 652 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,480 No yeah it's a melodian. 653 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,600 It's a choice of either the recorder or the. 654 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,600 Melodian. 655 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:33,600 Pianica. 656 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,800 We just like a piano. 657 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,800 But it has a tube. 658 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:37,800 Yes. 659 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:38,980 There's a blowing instrument. 660 00:25:38,980 --> 00:25:47,640 So in school where everybody was in music lesson was learning those most simple the 661 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,840 most the simplest songs whatever it was the very simplest. 662 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:56,040 I was playing Backstreet Boys or like Westlife or whatever that was. 663 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,280 And then I became famous in my school as that guy who can play anything. 664 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,000 So this school is in Singapore? 665 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,640 I was in Indonesia. 666 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,200 So this was me in Indonesia. 667 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,200 This was you in Indonesia. 668 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,200 Secondary one, secondary two. 669 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,000 So it was in 1997, 1998. 670 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,080 So finally I think this is me psychoanalyzing myself again right. 671 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:19,200 So finally that is where the first time I realized that I had this drive that came from 672 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:25,960 that fame you know school-wide fame of being the guy who can play anything you hear on 673 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:26,960 MTV. 674 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,480 So was that you is that really you you hear a tune a melody and you can actually replicate? 675 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,480 Yes. 676 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,960 So fresh off the classical course which I didn't finish because I only I dropped out 677 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:39,960 at grade six. 678 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,480 Then I started listening to a song on the radio on MTV and then trying to figure out 679 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,480 the course myself. 680 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,120 So this is me at eight, sorry 10 to 12 years old. 681 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:53,560 So when I got to secondary one then I was basically showing off to the whole school 682 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,960 about Spice Girls, Backstreet Boys, Westlife songs and nobody could play that. 683 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,960 Basically top hits. 684 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,760 Yes because everybody was was learning the simple I don't know what what songs we will 685 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,560 play on that recorder but you know yeah so every recess. 686 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,560 Top six. 687 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:15,920 Every recess I will draw the crowd to just listen to to me play and they will start requesting 688 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:16,920 for songs. 689 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,960 I didn't play this I wanted that way or whatever it was. 690 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,340 I would just play it. 691 00:27:20,340 --> 00:27:25,120 So I think that was the first time I found that oh what is this fame thing. 692 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:31,400 And I mean I feel happy that I get recognized by people for being able to play music. 693 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,480 Oh singing comes much later for me so this is just piano. 694 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,480 Playing. 695 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,480 Wow. 696 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,480 How many should we play? 697 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:43,040 Just one I mean piano and all variations of it you know keyboards organ piano. 698 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,760 And as long as it's got keys on it. 699 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:46,760 Yeah. 700 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,760 Right. 701 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:58,200 So what who would you or what would you attribute your journey into music to? 702 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,160 You were against your piano lessons. 703 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:08,920 Your folks were bringing you to and at the same time you know you begged to get out of 704 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:09,920 it. 705 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,800 You got out of it at grade six and then you went to this little ridiculous thing. 706 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,800 Pianica. 707 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:24,040 Pianica and whatever whatever melody or whatever you're playing and go fuck I'm getting fame 708 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,400 playing this shit you know. 709 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:36,280 And therefore this being the case who or what would you attribute if you had to? 710 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:42,000 I give tribute to this person or this point in my life. 711 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,800 I know exactly what the answer is. 712 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:44,800 What is it man? 713 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,800 My mom. 714 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,800 Still my mom. 715 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,240 My mom is the one at that time I hated the most for sending to my lessons. 716 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,400 Now looking back and we do talk about it. 717 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,680 Mom I'm so grateful for that. 718 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,400 So she's your influence then? 719 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,400 Yes. 720 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,640 Okay why you got to that point? 721 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,800 So your influence can't be the mini compo or the CDs or the shower right? 722 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,240 Who would you attribute yours to? 723 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,320 Or what would you attribute yours to? 724 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,880 I think when looking back right if you want to say like the foundation of music right 725 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,080 none of my family members are musicians or musical. 726 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,440 But my mom right she is okay we like to do karaoke. 727 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,240 But like my dad is kind of like tone deaf so he doesn't really get the melody. 728 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,360 But my mom likes to sing very high. 729 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,200 But I find it quite like sometimes annoying. 730 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,200 So we would do family karaoke sessions. 731 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,200 No that's funny sorry. 732 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,200 So she very high very annoying. 733 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,960 But she's in tune. 734 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,600 So I don't know maybe it's from her. 735 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,080 But anyway that's why I end up singing in the showers a lot. 736 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,200 But I never knew that I could sing because I have a younger brother and he's always like 737 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,640 Jack can you please shut up? 738 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,080 So I never really thought like you know I can sing. 739 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,480 That's why the choir thing was very important for me because it was in choir that I realized 740 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,920 like oh maybe I could. 741 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:10,920 So if you were to attribute your musical journey to someone or something it would be a someone 742 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:17,720 and could that be or would that be the choir master who singled you out? 743 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:23,400 Actually I wouldn't say at any particular person. 744 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:29,560 But if I want to say like someone who really impacted me to change my mind about like corporate 745 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:30,560 and stuff. 746 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,280 I think it was meeting Adi. 747 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,760 So you would say this man. 748 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:34,760 I'm just special right now. 749 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,160 So this man is the one that was your influence. 750 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:43,600 Because when I went to JC right it's exactly the way that he said it. 751 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,680 This has been a counselling session man. 752 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,560 I've known things about her that I've never known. 753 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,880 Yes yes sorry Adi I never told you about this. 754 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,760 But you know right when I went to JC right and you know in VJ we had pianos all over 755 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:55,760 the school. 756 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,080 Right outside the lecture hall there's one, at the amphitheater there's one and then like 757 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,040 there's outside of the principal's office there's one. 758 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,080 Any Victoria JC audience hopefully will know about this. 759 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,800 So Adi would be playing there and just like how he described his primary school to be 760 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,600 people would gather around him and they would start requesting for songs. 761 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,480 Adi play this play that that that then he would just play. 762 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,840 And I was like holy shit how can anybody and then because he was in the same choir as me 763 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,640 and we were both in committee in the committee right so I was the student conductor and he 764 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,640 was my tenor SL so we worked together. 765 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,800 And he was like actually I only have grade 6 piano. 766 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,640 I'm like dude you play like that and you only have grade 6 piano. 767 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,400 So I was like I was stunned eh for the first time in my life right I met someone right 768 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:44,360 who didn't have to play the scores and he could do all these like R&B vocalizing stuff 769 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,600 and like straight away just arrange you sing this this this. 770 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,080 I was like whoa so to me that was talent lah. 771 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,600 Yeah it's the kind of talent that you see. 772 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,960 So he's an inspiration he inspired you. 773 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,760 Yeah yeah yeah like that one has a lot of impact. 774 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,360 I need to bring down that story a bit because so Victoria JC teachers used to hate me because 775 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:10,360 what I do at the end of the lectures like we usually teachers will and maybe 10 minutes 776 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,360 15 minutes earlier. 777 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,120 Then I get out of the lecture hall there's a grand piano there started playing piano 778 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:24,880 I move the entire hall to be around me and then there will be uh uh for songs that cause 779 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:30,920 traffic congestion for the next lecture and all this and then the the lectures will know 780 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,800 ah is this id playing again. 781 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,160 So they call him the piano man. 782 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,160 Make it stop make it stop. 783 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,160 Oh wow Billy Joel man. 784 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,480 Make it stop because I need to start my next lecture but I mean years later fast forward 785 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:49,480 uh years later you know when we bump into our Victoria JC friends on the road we didn't 786 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:55,200 know each other but until now they still recognize me as that piano man from VJ so that that 787 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,440 brought me oh you know that feels. 788 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,880 Yeah yeah yeah it's a it's a reputation doesn't go away. 789 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:02,880 Yeah no matter what happens. 790 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,680 To be recognized from something for something that I am I think I'm good at it's something 791 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:09,680 else. 792 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,040 But those are impressionable years you know where everyone will remember someone for 793 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,040 the stuff they do. 794 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,040 Yeah yeah that's true. 795 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,840 I will always remember Boon Chye for example you know Boon Chye. 796 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,840 You're from my school. 797 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,840 Yes. 798 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:22,840 A lot of these guys were from my school. 799 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:23,840 Wait your school is? 800 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,840 St Pat's. 801 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:25,840 St Pat's. 802 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:26,840 There's a lot of people from your school. 803 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:27,840 Yeah I know. 804 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:28,840 In the entire industry is from your school. 805 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,560 I know we took a picture we took a picture last night. 806 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:37,120 It was so funny you know there was Boon Chye there was Wayne Sands there was Sean DeMello 807 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,240 there was Ignatius Bong and there was me. 808 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,880 So I said guess what there are five guys from St Pat's all playing in different bands. 809 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,520 Not me I was there as a damn in the audience you know. 810 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:48,960 But we took a shot together. 811 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,080 I'm in the music business of course you know. 812 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,640 So we took a short shot together and and and it was it's pretty amazing because not just 813 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,240 in music but in media as well. 814 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,880 You look at the DJs Glenn is my classmate. 815 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,720 Andre Houdon is my was also from the same school but those are junior. 816 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,920 Joe Augustine is my senior by a year. 817 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,080 Rod Montero same thing. 818 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,320 John Klass my batch. 819 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,920 You know so we all we all come from St Patrick's man. 820 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:17,920 Yeah. 821 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:18,920 And I'm pretty proud of that fact. 822 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,400 I think this generation. 823 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,760 You guys are opposite us. 824 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:23,760 Victoria Junior College. 825 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,760 Yeah I know. 826 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:31,520 Yeah yeah we know. 827 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,600 If I just digress a bit about that and that the point is I think it's nice for you to 828 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,560 have this camaraderie as as that that that very alumni. 829 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,960 Our batch I mean we all do well of course but in a different field in a whole different 830 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,520 field it's the traditional field of you know finance and corporate and all this. 831 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:52,320 But I mean to know that so many of you are doing well in entertainment which is people 832 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,400 until today still view as non-traditional. 833 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,400 I think that's outstanding. 834 00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,440 Yeah when Boonchai when Boonchai first put on the saxophone man and he played in one 835 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,920 of the school shows you know my jaw fell to the ground. 836 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,480 I was like what the fuck was that. 837 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,280 So many of these guys man so I attribute to all of you boys man I love you guys. 838 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,600 You know so many of them man. 839 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:19,080 I mean when John Klass went up to sing and there was Sean when he went up to sing and 840 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,640 Bong when he played he's always been that good man. 841 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,480 Kevin Shep you too man I mean so many so many I guess just so many to count. 842 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,080 And the Musos and the talent that came out of the school I'm so proud of them. 843 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,080 I'm so proud of them. 844 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:38,040 I've never counted myself as one of them though but because these guys to me they were monsters 845 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,240 man monsters. 846 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:43,560 These guys were great you know they still are they're still great. 847 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:49,520 And yeah you're right they have a fraternity yeah you know a fraternity of people who love 848 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,520 doing that what they do. 849 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,440 And you know every time we meet them like all these names that you have just said they 850 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,840 very proudly say they are from St. Harris. 851 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:58,840 That's why we know. 852 00:35:58,840 --> 00:35:59,840 Protests and revolt. 853 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:00,840 Yes yes. 854 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,840 They make their identity very pronounced. 855 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,720 We are very proud of our school we're very proud to be petitions man. 856 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:10,360 I mean I still am. 857 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,840 My son's in the school now. 858 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:12,840 Oh okay. 859 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,280 Yeah well anyway I'm gonna ask you one more question. 860 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,560 These questions are kind of simple actually you know but it makes you think a little bit 861 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,080 about it. 862 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,360 And I'm glad that you guys are hearing things from each other that you've never heard before 863 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,720 which is what I always get going. 864 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:30,500 And I'm glad it's happening. 865 00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:32,440 This is my question I'm gonna leave it open. 866 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,400 Yeah okay we'll leave it open. 867 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,360 Why do you do this? 868 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,880 Oh wow. 869 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,280 The truth yeah the truth. 870 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,280 Why do you do this? 871 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,920 Why do you do what you do man? 872 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:53,640 I'm gonna start with adding to Shili's point earlier you asked about what is it what made 873 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,640 you determined to do corporate. 874 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,000 Is that what you asked? 875 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,240 Why were you determined to do corporate? 876 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:05,200 Because in our time that is the only way we know you know there's no other way. 877 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,360 You graduate university you get your degree and then you get your nine-to-five job. 878 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,760 So we are we were all I don't want to say indoctrinated but I mean you know we that's 879 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,240 the only way we know. 880 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:20,320 You're indoctrinated into the conventional way of things right? 881 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,960 If Minister Chan Chun Seng is watching this. 882 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:28,240 I hope he is because this shouldn't be the way. 883 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:33,080 Yeah I remember the day that I told my mom and my dad that I was gonna leave my corporate 884 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:39,320 job to do this full-time and it was like at a dinner and then I had Adi join us as well 885 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,800 because we were gonna break that news to her. 886 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,480 I tell you my mom almost flipped the table. 887 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,480 Traditional Chinese family. 888 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,920 Yeah no she's like she's a teacher you see. 889 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,000 So when she retired right she was like she almost like became principal kind and then 890 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,640 she's like very traditional. 891 00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:01,040 My dad on the other hand you know he's like he runs his own small business right so my 892 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,600 dad could understand my dad was like after you leave you're never gonna go back to corporate. 893 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,880 Then I was like yeah I think so. 894 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,840 But my eventually like she was supportive but going back to your question why do we 895 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,000 do this yeah. 896 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,840 So my parents are also the same and but to put a disclaimer to this I mean we don't want 897 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,040 to make them as the villains. 898 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,040 They are not. 899 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,040 In fact my parents are super supportive now. 900 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,040 We know that they mean well. 901 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,040 We know that they mean well. 902 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,040 They're just worried. 903 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:32,960 We know that us going into this non-traditional route will be somewhat risky harmful for us 904 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,240 in the future and all this. 905 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:39,800 So the only way they know to make sure that we have a good life is to for us to have a 906 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,360 nine to five job right. 907 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,480 For sense of security. 908 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,480 Yeah yeah. 909 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:48,520 So now going back to the question the why that we we decided to do this must be strong 910 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:53,800 enough to go against what they believe it's true and then you know and then. 911 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:54,800 So why? 912 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,800 Yeah. 913 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,320 I still don't get an answer because why? 914 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,040 Actually to be honest right we are very traditional also. 915 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,040 Okay. 916 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,880 And I think for us if we didn't see the numbers the opportunities and the facts right I don't 917 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,080 think both Adi and I would have gone into this because there were there were a time 918 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:16,280 also that we were signed to a label right Adi and we had to go all in or like no. 919 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,080 Wait wait wait wait you signed to a label? 920 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,080 Yeah. 921 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,080 Did you sign to a label? 922 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,080 We did. 923 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,280 That was when we left that was when I left my full-time job. 924 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,280 Okay. 925 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,280 In the airport. 926 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,280 As recording artists. 927 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,280 Yeah. 928 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,920 All right and what happened with that? 929 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:31,920 Nothing happened. 930 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:32,920 Oh sorry. 931 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,640 Didn't you guys record anything and you publish or release anything? 932 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:37,640 No. 933 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:38,640 Holy shit. 934 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,640 Oh I smell a rat somewhere. 935 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,640 No no no there's no rats. 936 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:42,640 Okay. 937 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,640 No no Adi. 938 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:44,640 There are nice people. 939 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,640 It was just I think timing. 940 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,920 The timing wasn't you know everything happens with time. 941 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,920 Okay. 942 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,640 It's like the timing that we graduated people were not hiring so we end up doing music right 943 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,480 and then we realized that hey we can actually get paid singing two hours a night for a monthly 944 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,360 salary that was quite cool and then the daytime I had nothing to do and I felt so weird all 945 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,400 my friends are working in the office right so then after that but this time around we 946 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,120 were while we were in corporate we were signed to a label yeah that one was true. 947 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,120 Oh okay. 948 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,880 But I also feel like we learned a lot from the experience. 949 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:14,880 Okay. 950 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,520 Yeah although we didn't release like any record with that label at that time but we we learned 951 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:20,520 a lot. 952 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:21,520 What did you learn? 953 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:27,720 Okay just name me one don't give me the whole gamut but just one. 954 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:29,160 What did you learn? 955 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,160 Don't anyhow sign a label. 956 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,160 Actually it's true. 957 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,160 You should always. 958 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,160 That's one of the aspects. 959 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,160 Actually it's true. 960 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,160 It's true. 961 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,160 I should have. 962 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:43,520 Being signed has its advantages because you get to release whatever it is but then it 963 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,280 also limits you in terms of the number of events you can do and all this right. 964 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,680 So and then at that time we were already in then we just realized oh shoot then we cannot 965 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:52,680 do this this this. 966 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,040 Yeah we were limited to things that we could do because we had to be confound. 967 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,040 It was more like a. 968 00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,040 Confined. 969 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,040 Confined. 970 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,440 Certain amount of exclusivity. 971 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,680 Yeah yeah definitely because you you you you sold yourself to some organization for sure. 972 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:09,680 Yeah. 973 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,340 You know where you can't do some certain things without having their their their their their 974 00:41:13,340 --> 00:41:14,340 green light. 975 00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:19,040 However coming back again why do you do it? 976 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,040 Why do we do it? 977 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,280 Why do you do what you do? 978 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:28,160 So also coming back to the Sheilis point I also agree and I wish I could wait I could 979 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,920 give you a beautiful answer to this but because we were both engineers from NUS 980 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:43,400 everything had to come down to the numbers. Let me try to clarify my question. Ask me 981 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:50,200 that question. Why do I do it? Okay. Why do you do it? Because I love it. Yes. 982 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,100 Because I love this. Yes. Because I love the feeling of getting my microphone. 983 00:41:55,100 --> 00:42:02,360 Because I like what I hear. Because I love the audiences. Because what I work 984 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:08,320 hard on that stage and I work that room and seeing these people's faces light 985 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:16,360 up, it's like a drug. I want to continue doing it. That's my answer. Yeah. Now I'm 986 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:23,760 gonna throw it back again to you guys. Why do you do it? For me is I really like 987 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:31,560 singing for people who are smiling. So bringing joy is very important for me. So 988 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:43,120 Adi, you want to say first before I re-laborate? So this is what I said to my parents from 989 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:48,640 year to year, right? So similar to what Sheley presented to her parents and 990 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:54,560 when she wanted to quit the full-time job. That was the year that we got signed. 991 00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:00,880 Yeah. Okay. So from my full-time job, I was in banking. So I get this. I mean 992 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,280 the amount of money, the amount of network. But then when you compare to what I do at 993 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:11,640 night, number one, financially it's also more. But also you get to be out there. 994 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,040 Your network is not just limited to whoever that you are interacting with in 995 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:24,160 the office. It's limitless. So when I talk to my parents, I get to know these 996 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,800 important people, that important people. I won't get to know otherwise. So that's 997 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:38,560 one. And then to Chris's point about what you feel on stage. Every single event 998 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:44,640 for us is different because people say that weddings every week or 999 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:52,080 corporate events, isn't it the same? But no, the challenge is how for you 1000 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:58,320 to read the room, be able to see the demographics just laid there by 1001 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,520 your eyes and then decide, okay, I need to sing this, this, this, this song, this 1002 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,720 song, this song will get these people going. And then boom, they are all dancing. 1003 00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:11,480 The moment they are dancing, the moment they react to your songs, 1004 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:20,400 that feeling is really irreplaceable. Then multiply it with night after night 1005 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,960 after night of different groups of people, different groups of... So yeah, the 1006 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:31,720 feeling of you being able to move both physically as well as 1007 00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:38,760 sometimes... Do you remember, Shulit, we sang Teresa's 1008 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:51,440 song, I Never Forget You, you forget me. At a wedding and then this table in front 1009 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:57,600 of us suddenly started just weeping and then just hugging each other and 1010 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:03,160 then we was like, oh shit, what's happening? They came to us afterwards, 1011 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:08,880 they said that that song reminded me of my brother who passed a year ago. We 1012 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,160 didn't know things about that but I mean, you know, it must have been the 1013 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,960 way we conveyed the feelings in the song and all this. Stories like this just 1014 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:24,880 accumulate throughout our career and then... Thank you for your answer, brother. 1015 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,760 Yeah, actually bringing it back to the label thing, right? So there was one 1016 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,160 thing that they didn't control which was us performing at weddings. 1017 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,720 So because waiting for them to move the recording stuff and all that, 1018 00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:45,160 so we did what we could do on our own which is within our control which was to 1019 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:51,600 perform at weddings. So we did so much of it while waiting. So then those 1020 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:56,440 years that we were signed, I think we were so crazy at weddings, Adi, do you 1021 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,760 remember? There was like so many weddings right and then people were 1022 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,720 telling us like, why do you play at weddings? People are like not gonna listen to you 1023 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:10,120 what? But that's not true though, that's not our experience right? Because when we 1024 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,800 play at weddings right, we make moments happen and then when people are eating, 1025 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,560 they are still listening to you, you know? Do you need them to clap after every 1026 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:22,520 song? No, not really but when they do, then you know that you are doing a great 1027 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:28,400 job, you know? That they are actually appreciating you. So for me, I feel 1028 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,120 like everything happened in such a way that it shaped us to where we 1029 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:40,160 ended up now. So you love this? Of course, yes. That's the why you have, because 1030 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,840 when you do things that has meaning, is it? You don't even realize that it doesn't work at all. 1031 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:52,960 Yeah, okay. Thanks for that answer. Now then, I have to also support this argument that 1032 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,880 why it's not enough, all this love for whatever you do is not enough. It's just 1033 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:06,760 how, I don't know, our society, yes. And also the cost of living in Singapore, for example, is high. 1034 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:14,040 So no matter how much you love, you know, whatever it is that you do, I mean, 1035 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,800 you cannot always just be singing everything and anything else. You just have to justify it 1036 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:24,480 that, you know, you are able to make this work in this life. If I may, if I may 1037 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,160 contribute a little bit. You know what you just said, you're right. You can't 1038 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:36,640 just live on love and air, right? I have a something I always tell all 1039 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,840 my students, because till now, I'm still teaching. I still teach. I teach voice 1040 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:47,000 and I teach anyone who wants to host, anyone who wants to host, I can teach. So I still 1041 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:53,600 conduct classes, but even from before, the message has always been Elvis's motto, 1042 00:47:53,600 --> 00:48:02,280 TCB, take care of business first. Your craft will always be there. If you know 1043 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,920 what you can do, if you know what you're about, you take care of business first. 1044 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:16,160 And in this, in my years and 40 years of doing this and the Musos I know, okay, 1045 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,720 some of them are, they're earning well, they're earning very good money. You know, 1046 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:25,520 they've been doing this some longer than me, you know, and much longer. I'm not 1047 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:33,560 gonna name names. And they go eventually, it's the giving back that helps you go on. 1048 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:39,320 You guys are still very young, so I tell you now, it's the giving back. The guys 1049 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:46,120 who go out there teaching, you know, if they're not teaching, they are organizing 1050 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:51,000 session players and they get private gigs and they get the regular stuff. They 1051 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:57,600 grow their names within the stat board, for example, yeah, NEC, you know. It's 1052 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:04,120 just giving back. And that's where you start to see things also from that 1053 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:10,760 commercial angle, you know, as individual Musos in performance. And I 1054 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,640 think that's important. I've always said to everyone that I've met that no 1055 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,600 matter what you do, you got to think the business first. Right? How are you gonna 1056 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:24,200 be making money off this? Okay, because we still need money. Okay? And that's why 1057 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:29,760 I find it very, I want to do this tribute show because people got to stop 1058 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:36,760 looking at performers, entertainers, Musos per se. Okay? As I give you 20 bucks, I'll 1059 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:44,280 give you exposure. I'll give you my finger. Yes. You know, I really hate shit like that. 1060 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:49,200 And yeah, and when you say work the room, or rather read the room, I'm 1061 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,280 glad you said that. Because not many people do that these days. Let me just 1062 00:49:53,280 --> 00:50:00,000 tell you this. Last night I was at a concert. Great bands went up there. But 1063 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:07,280 there was one. I'm not naming names. Okay, there's one particular one. That's it. 1064 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:15,840 Well, they have about six figures worth of followers on social media. 1065 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:24,120 Now I compare that band to the other bands that came up, especially the last 1066 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:29,440 one that came up. My god, mind-blowing. You know, I mean like, whoa! These people 1067 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:35,680 work the room. They read the room. They work the room. Really, really work the 1068 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,280 room. It's not just about sending their singing, man. It's about interacting, 1069 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,560 building rapport with your audience, right? They were doing that. But this other 1070 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:50,440 band, Young Lot, were there. They had people cheering for them, pockets, because 1071 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:57,400 they were their followers. It is the social media thing that got them to be 1072 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:05,680 invited to perform. But I mean, I'm not a spring chicken when it comes to 1073 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:12,880 this. I stood there in the audience and I was watching and I go, come on. You cannot just 1074 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:18,360 rely on your social media presence when you're doing something live with 1075 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,760 this bunch of people right in front of you because they don't know who the hell 1076 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:27,120 you are. And you know, they're not reading the room. They're reading 1077 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,240 what they see in their heads. That is my number of people following me. But they're 1078 00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:36,720 not reading the room. So it's completely lost in terms of, you know, of 1079 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:43,520 entertaining your crowd. So when you say that, I'm like, thank goodness. You 1080 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:48,280 know, I'm glad. I really am. That people still speak the same language, man. You 1081 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:53,160 know, you have to read the room. You need to work the room. DJs even. A lot of DJs 1082 00:51:53,160 --> 00:52:00,560 today don't even read the room. They just shook sendiri. Yeah. It's true. I won't give a 1083 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,600 fuck. I'm saying it, man. Lots of the jobs today, I know the big ones have been 1084 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:10,200 around a long time. Agree. No one talks even. I think, right, I mean, anyone in 1085 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:18,000 entertainment has to have the soul of serving people. Whoever that you are, 1086 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,280 your audience is, is someone that you have to serve instead of, I mean, in terms 1087 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,560 of you have to find their, I don't know. I don't know what it is. The sweet spot. 1088 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:34,560 The sweet spot that get them moved. Moving or moved. So we also don't want 1089 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,800 to make this topic very negative to all of the young musicians out there. 1090 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:43,720 So the hours that you put into the pubs and bars in the beginning, I 1091 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:49,800 think it's very important. For us, those are the training grounds. It is 1092 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:55,080 incomparable to you posting in IG story of you singing because then you don't 1093 00:52:55,080 --> 00:53:00,240 have that live interaction, right? You interact with comments and all this, but 1094 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:04,120 it's different from if you are in a live bar setting and then you just have to 1095 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:10,200 get the crowd going how to do that. So with that experience building up over 1096 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,800 the years and you just know, right? Leave egos outside the door. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1097 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,360 And leave idealism outside as well. So it's not about who you are, it's about who 1098 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,600 the audience is and then I just want to please you. How best to do it and then 1099 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:30,520 we just figure out. So on that note, guys, what in your mind makes a 1100 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:42,480 great show? I am sentimental, okay? Please be. So from my sentimental point of view, 1101 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:48,920 it's the heart. It's the heart of the show or whatever it is. As a musician, right? 1102 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:53,960 Yeah, whatever. Like a great show must be from the heart. No, no, not just from the heart, but I mean. 1103 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:59,800 It's gonna come from the heart. Watching it from the audience seat, if I get 1104 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:05,440 the heart of the show, then I will, I love it. I will like it. Whether it's the 1105 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,640 performance being very into the performance or whether it's whatever it 1106 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,320 is or whatever he's telling stories or is this a song or is it whatever it is. 1107 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:20,260 If it's, yeah, if it's something that whatever I identify as the heart of the 1108 00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:25,760 show is something that will get me. Okay, I will go the specifics after this, 1109 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,600 but what do you have to say about what makes a great show? What makes a great show? 1110 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:36,760 For me is in the sense of entertainment, right? I must be moved as a guest. 1111 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:43,960 Emotionally moved? Yeah, or in any senses. Yeah, so wouldn't it be like, you know, 1112 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,480 what goes into your production? You know, for a fact that tonight, for example, 1113 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,720 correct me if I'm wrong, I like to hear how you guys work. For example, you 1114 00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:59,960 go on stage, you have two sets, 45 minutes per set. You plan your repertoire for those 1115 00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:06,880 sets, right? Do you plan an act in between or a few acts in between, for example? 1116 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,680 I think the heart in, to get people feel touched, right? Yeah, yeah. 1117 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:18,400 Even if it's to get them to laugh even. Yeah, yeah. So if we were planning, okay, 1118 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:24,040 let's not talk about corporate shows or those shows that we are more commercial, 1119 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:29,600 but maybe if we are... Doing our own content. Yes, so we do get invited by, you know, 1120 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,480 people like Esplanade or any USUCC and all. Let's do have a show that's revolving just around us. 1121 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:40,720 This is the best shows for us because it's just really up to us, it's our show, 1122 00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:46,400 it's up to us to plan where it is. So yes, whatever you said is correct. It means that 1123 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:57,800 we want the entire set list to tell a story from start to end and allow the audience to react 1124 00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,200 whatever way and relate to their own personal stories and yeah, and all this. 1125 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,280 Wait a second, wait a second. You need to say today, in today's environment, 1126 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:15,360 when you meet clients for private shows outside of yours, and you're not able to come out with 1127 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:23,200 your own show production in terms of, for example, let me just rewind the decades a little bit. 1128 00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,800 Okay, I'm not that bad. I'm not so many decades old. It depends on the scale of the event though. 1129 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,840 Yeah, sure. You're talking about like opening at a national stadium, is it? 1130 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:38,040 No, no, no. I'm talking about going in to say, for example, a ballroom. Yeah. Okay. And it's a 1131 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:42,880 corporate gig. Okay, let's use a simple example. We have a pre-arranged set list. 1132 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,800 Okay, you have a pre-arranged repertoire set list. But based on what I've heard, 1133 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:53,800 I've heard Adi said that if it's your own show, let's say the Esplanade, for example, 1134 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:58,800 you guys are being featured. You can't do your own thing. I can of course respect that, 1135 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:05,880 it's for sure. But if let's say you're hired for a private gig, simple one, in a ballroom, 1136 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:12,840 okay? And you have two sets to play 45 minutes per set. You have a repertoire set up. You also 1137 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:19,400 include things like little funny things to do, you know, during those sets so that you can capture 1138 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:25,480 the hearts of your audience either by laughter, because it's comedic or by, you know. We have 1139 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:31,360 certain formulas to that. So you actually do all these things. This is how it's different from when 1140 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:36,080 it's really purely our show, right? When it's the client shows, then the client has their... 1141 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,880 They dictate basically. 1142 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,840 Yeah, so they have their concept. There's a conceptualization. Whatever we do, 1143 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:47,160 whatever we do is the Chilean Adi signature to that theme. 1144 00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,840 To bring the goal of the event. 1145 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:54,160 So, I mean, this is back to us, me saying earlier that as an entertainer, we have to have a serving 1146 00:57:54,160 --> 00:58:00,000 soul, right? Client is the boss. So we serve you. But then we still read the room. We still do... 1147 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:00,920 We have to read the room. 1148 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,560 Yeah. So actually, I think... 1149 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:03,920 So that's what... 1150 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:11,240 What differentiates the Chilean Adi's performance at events from, let's say, what a stand-up comedian 1151 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:16,080 does, right? If they don't do improv, every show is the same. For example, like, if you watch 1152 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:22,000 Kevin Hart do a set, right, in Singapore, everything is scripted from start to end, right? 1153 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,240 And he tells you, like, oh, his people will tell you, don't take any photos, don't take any 1154 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,960 recordings, blah, blah, blah. And the same show is repeated like every other city he's toured on. 1155 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,520 But for Chilean Adi, we don't do it this way. 1156 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:34,520 Okay. 1157 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,840 So the songs for every event could be different. But if there is a client involved, we work 1158 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:44,000 with the client to come up with a set list. But whether we achieve what I want to do, 1159 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:50,920 like create the emotion, the impromptu, that is based on our formula or our experience 1160 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,280 of handling the crowd. 1161 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:56,720 Sure, sure, sure. Okay, all right, I'm not going to pursue this any further. 1162 00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:03,360 No, because you know what, because to me, it's a little... I agree a lot to the fact that, 1163 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:08,800 of course, it's the client's gig, client's boss. And this is what the outcome of the client was. 1164 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:18,800 That's fine. But how you... whatever you come up with should be left entirely to your own devices. 1165 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:24,240 What songs you're going to sing should be up to you. Because if that's the case, I will 1166 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:25,880 tell the client, then you go do it. 1167 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:26,880 Right, really. 1168 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:33,360 Okay, okay. So I think I get your point. So we do have some clients who think that whatever 1169 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:38,440 they come up with is perfect for the show. That's where we come in. So when we... 1170 00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,440 We will give our feedback. 1171 00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:46,840 Yeah. So we are not an instruction receiver. We are instruction consultant, right? So whatever 1172 00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:47,840 concept they have... 1173 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:48,840 There will be a discussion. 1174 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:49,840 There will be a discussion. 1175 00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:50,840 Usually there is. 1176 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:51,840 Yeah. 1177 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,200 So to you, a great show would be what happens at the end of the night, what happens at the 1178 00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:00,560 end of the program. What will happen at the end of the program that will tell you that 1179 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,080 this was a great show? 1180 01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:03,080 The crowd reacts. 1181 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,080 Okay. 1182 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,080 Dancing. 1183 01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,080 Yes. 1184 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,080 Cheering, singing along. 1185 01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,080 Do people still dance? People still dance? 1186 01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:09,080 They do, yes. 1187 01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,080 They do at our shows. 1188 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,080 Yes, that's why. 1189 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:12,080 Yes, they will. 1190 01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:17,280 I always have this joke. You don't call it a D&D anymore because the last D no longer 1191 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:18,280 happens. 1192 01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:19,280 Yeah. 1193 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:26,240 I mean, I was rocking the stage in the nineties especially. But at that time, we always have 1194 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:31,120 to input into the program before the grand draw. Grand draw has to be at midnight. 1195 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,120 Okay. 1196 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:33,120 Has to be at midnight. 1197 01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:34,120 Nowadays they do it at 10. 1198 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,120 Okay. It's like a countdown thing. 1199 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,120 From 9.30. 1200 01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,840 Yeah. You see, it's so boring. At 9.30, we are still having stage games. We're still 1201 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,240 playing stuff. We're still having the first round, second round of the draws. Then we 1202 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:50,440 go into the first set of dance. Then after we finish the first set of dance, then we 1203 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:57,240 have the countdown to the draw, the grand draw. And so that was how we used to work. 1204 01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:02,080 We were done with a gig on a week at night. It would be two in the morning. 1205 01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:03,080 Wow. 1206 01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:04,640 And the entire crowd stays. 1207 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:05,640 Yes. 1208 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,840 Okay. You cannot have it now, right? Nowadays, right? 1209 01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,240 No, that's what I'm saying. The audience has changed, hasn't it? 1210 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:12,240 Yeah. 1211 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,440 It's so different today. I mean, even the guys who are working in clubs are telling 1212 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:22,280 me, Chris, by 11 o'clock we're done. What? I said, who the hell parties at 11? For clubs, 1213 01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:26,480 you know, three, four o'clock in the morning, maybe. Or three in the morning, right? You 1214 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:31,600 push it a little bit, you know, past a couple of minutes past three. But today, it's so 1215 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:38,560 sad for me to hear this, man. We're not partying the way we used to. We party hard. And when 1216 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:44,440 we do gigs in the past, we shut down, tear down everything, go to Adam Road or Newton 1217 01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:45,680 the Mudgun after that. 1218 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:46,680 That's breakfast. 1219 01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:52,160 Exactly. And we're up again the next day to do the same thing, to pack up and for setting 1220 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:56,960 up, you know? And then the show starts again, five o'clock soundcheck. That's what we used 1221 01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:02,840 to do. So just to hear this thing about dancing, if you guys hear your crowd dancing, I say, 1222 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,160 well done, kudos, man. Because I really don't see- 1223 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:10,080 We don't get them dancing. We will be very stressed on stage. Shit, shit, shit. What's 1224 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,560 wrong? What's wrong? Should we change the entire playlist? 1225 01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:13,560 Yeah. 1226 01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:17,760 So that's when Adi will like, site-i me and we will be like, okay, let's change. 1227 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:18,760 Let's change the job. 1228 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:24,080 Great, great, great. I'm glad to hear this. I really am glad. So now today, in today's 1229 01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:28,720 context, since you guys are so active out there, I mean, like I said earlier at the 1230 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:33,960 start of the show, you're just about everywhere, right? Yeah, yeah. You guys really, I mean, 1231 01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:39,400 for fuck's sake, I mean, I'm like, where do you know? How? You know, I look at your posts 1232 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:44,080 on your socials, man. You guys are just about everywhere, which is great. And hence the 1233 01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:51,200 reason why you're here. However, with that in mind, you feeling the pulse of what it's 1234 01:02:51,200 --> 01:03:00,800 like. If there's any young budding performer, entertainer, muso currently in a junior college 1235 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:06,840 or in varsity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that sounds like us 20 years ago. Exactly. What 1236 01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:13,320 would you say to them? Would you say, don't worry about it. Step right in, do this. It's 1237 01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:19,120 great. Would you give them, would you say that to them? I haven't answered that. So 1238 01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:31,400 my answer is, uh, find your unique, um, what do you call it? I saw like a marketing lecturer 1239 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:42,000 right now. But fine. Yeah. Find your signature. Yeah. Yeah. And then just believe in it. So 1240 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:46,200 do you think there's still a market, man? Yeah. Do you think that there's still space 1241 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:52,480 for people to grow and earn a living as a full-time professional muso, entertainer performer 1242 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:57,880 in this country? In this country? Yeah. Yes. Because you're the youngest people I've talked 1243 01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:04,200 to so far in the business, man. Afuan was the next one, right? Kai, Afuan was the youngest 1244 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:08,000 before these two walked in, right? Oh, Afuan is older than us. Yeah, Afuan's older than 1245 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:17,040 you. Oops. Sorry, bro. Sorry, bro. Sorry. He's great. Yeah. Oh, Afuan's great. Fantastic. 1246 01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,680 Fantastic frontman. And that's why I asked him on the show because to me he impressed 1247 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:26,600 me wholesale as a frontman of the band. I mean, amazing really. And his boss came on, 1248 01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:32,840 Danny Lung came as well. Um, yeah. And, uh, you know, I, I, I want to know from you, man, 1249 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:39,360 what you really say, come on in, come into this business to the young person today out 1250 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:44,680 there dreaming of doing this. I would say go in with your eyes open. What do you mean 1251 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:50,340 by that? To be aware that like, um, this is not a traditional path. So it is up to the 1252 01:04:50,340 --> 01:04:56,440 individual to shape their journey and plan ahead, you know, like, because our form of 1253 01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:01,140 income stream will be very different from a stable monthly income. So you need to be 1254 01:05:01,140 --> 01:05:07,320 prepared that if you are looking at just numbers, so you need to be prepared for like any unpredictability 1255 01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:13,640 that happens, you know, and then plan financially for yourself for the next five, 10, 15, 20, 1256 01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:19,320 30 years. Okay. I'm going to adjust this question a little bit for Adi. That was a great answer 1257 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:25,600 because you said it, you said it from a commercial perspective. Now let's hear this from a creative 1258 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:33,160 perspective. What would this young person have to do from the creative perspective? 1259 01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:43,200 Yes. Should you say come right in, but you got to do? Yeah. Uh, what I said, so find 1260 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,640 your niche, I guess. How about how you hold your craft? Is there anything you need to 1261 01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:54,400 do about their craft? Uh, the craft is really up to them because you know, technicalities, 1262 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,720 guitar and, and vocals and piano, this is all, it's all different, right? But once you 1263 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:05,160 find that niche, whatever it is, so for our personal, during our time, there was nobody 1264 01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:13,720 doing a male and female duo. Uh, I think there is, but no, I mean, you know, so at that time 1265 01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:19,920 we got our batch, we individually got solo offers, but we had many solo offers, we went 1266 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,880 against the tide to, because we believe that, okay, this Shilin I didn't think could work. 1267 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,600 But if somebody is like us, I think it's unique enough. We have a signature harmony song, 1268 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:32,080 whatever it is, we want to sell it. And then, and then at that time we, we, we turned down 1269 01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:36,840 a lot of my gigs and your, your individual gigs. Yeah. We had a lot of individual propositions. 1270 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:43,400 Stand by our brand. But we rejected all of them to perform together as Shilinadi. So 1271 01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,720 I think if you believe that you have a, you have a niche somewhere that can be anything 1272 01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:52,680 now, you know, EDM, DJ, it can be, uh, even electronic musician, whatever your signature 1273 01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:59,640 sound is ethnic into, into EDM, whatever it is. So once you have it, believe in it and 1274 01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:04,240 just continue pursuing it. Don't change. Yes. You've, you will have your color, you have 1275 01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:08,960 your branding and then you, you know, and then you will like, you, you know, Lin Ying. 1276 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:14,600 Yes. I was going to talk about her. Lin Ying is, is the perfect example of this. She sang 1277 01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:20,160 the road ahead, um, national NDP song two years ago. So I recently connected with her, 1278 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:25,360 uh, and she's now based in LA most of the time. So she shuttles between LA and Singapore. 1279 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,520 So we knew her when she was really, really just starting out and she was still in NUS. 1280 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:33,960 So she came to one of our open mic in beer market at that time. Right. So we were basically 1281 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,120 a band hosting an open mic, getting people to come out and sing with us throughout the 1282 01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:42,560 night. And the moment she sang, I didn't, I just look at each other. Whoa, who is this 1283 01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:46,140 girl? Right. So during the breaks, I went up to talk to her because, you know, I also 1284 01:07:46,140 --> 01:07:51,040 run like an agency that we provide musicians for weddings and, and, and, and corporate 1285 01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:55,280 events. So I was talking to her and all that. She was like, she was so clear about what 1286 01:07:55,280 --> 01:08:01,160 she wanted to do. She said, I want to do original songwriting. She said, I don't mind doing 1287 01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:05,920 this, you know, at the site, but the originals is what I want to focus on. And she really 1288 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:10,920 stood by it and she just went and just did it and look where she is now. And that might 1289 01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:16,460 mean commercial Lee non viable at your early stage, because you know, you're not making 1290 01:08:16,460 --> 01:08:20,840 money with original music at the start, but then why, by you honing your craft and writing 1291 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,400 more songs, better songs, and then you getting recognized, a very signature sound that you 1292 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:28,760 have will then appear and then it will define you in the business. And then someone will 1293 01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:33,720 just recognize you for that. Yeah. So now like when we look at Lining, right, she's 1294 01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:39,920 like her originals are so good. She sounds great and you can recognize that voice. Yeah. 1295 01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:50,840 So I think stand by your unique selling point. Oh my God. Have you guys noticed something 1296 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:56,440 man? I lean back and I went right back to the wall and I leave you the space to talk. 1297 01:08:56,440 --> 01:09:02,840 And I was just watching this to and fro between the two of you. Yeah. You should never split 1298 01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:11,320 because the way you guys were going, man, I was like, what the fuck? I mean, it's great. 1299 01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:16,680 This is the feeling when you watch us on stage, the banter. It's just like that. One day I 1300 01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,880 hope to see catch you guys on stage, man, you know, to see you guys perform. Yes, we 1301 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,800 hope so too. One day, who knows, maybe I'll be hosting a show in your honor as well. Then 1302 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,920 we'll do a song together. Okay. Sure, man. Anytime. As a matter of fact, speaking of 1303 01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:36,440 songs, before we go on to that, I just want to share a little story, a little known story 1304 01:09:36,440 --> 01:09:42,120 before we wish everyone, wish each other and wish everyone a Merry Christmas. Yeah. You 1305 01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:49,280 said when your folks and you know, maybe yours as well, when you decided to become musicians 1306 01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:54,960 full of time, right? The conventional way of doing things is people find it very hard 1307 01:09:54,960 --> 01:10:03,600 to adjust to. Let me tell you, have you ever heard me on radio? No, right? Is that a question? 1308 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:09,760 No. Yeah, it's a question. No, no. Right. And I've had so many people after we say cut 1309 01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:16,560 on my show for three seasons, this is season four, and I've always told them after Kai 1310 01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:23,360 says cut and it's never been on camera, I'm going to do it right now. I've never been 1311 01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:31,400 on radio. People ask me, Chris, why? Are you serious? Am I serious? You mean I shouldn't 1312 01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:35,720 be on radio? No, you should be on radio. Yeah, but I've never been on radio. Like the moment 1313 01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,680 I walked into the studio, I was like, damn, his voice is so nice. Thank you. I'd say it 1314 01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:44,560 out loud to you, remember? Thank you. But I get that a lot, but I'm not bragging, but 1315 01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:49,720 I do get that a lot. But and I do teach voice. Yeah. And I'm a VO artist. I do voiceovers 1316 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:55,320 and stuff, but I've never been on radio. But when I was seven years old, all the way up, 1317 01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:59,800 as I was growing up, that is. You were too busy for the radio, right? No, that wasn't 1318 01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:07,280 it. It's always been my dream job. You know, on Saturday mornings, who is Chris Hansen 1319 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:15,680 and what am I about? Okay. On Saturday mornings, I would listen to radio, no school then. And 1320 01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:25,120 in those days, 905 was called, Gold was called just Radio One, 90.5. And we had great voices 1321 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:34,840 on there. In those days, we had Bernard Salosa, Junior's dad, yeah, Monica Lim, and we've, 1322 01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:41,880 Victor Kuhl, Roger Kuhl, right? The list can go on. And I listened to these great voices 1323 01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:50,240 on radio and on Rediffusion as well. FD was on Rediffusion before he went on radio. Nigel 1324 01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:57,360 Moss-Burgin and Eric Lim, right? All great voices, man. And I would emulate, you know, 1325 01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:06,400 my voice hasn't broken yet. Then you need to know I'm tone deaf. You've said it correctly. 1326 01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:16,680 I gotta tell you, man, I'm tone deaf. No way. No, no, really, really tone deaf. And I was 1327 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:22,080 booed sometime when I was a kid because of my singing. I'm not gonna go into details. 1328 01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:27,160 Then I decided that I want to follow someone and I followed Elvis. And I broke my voice 1329 01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:35,720 at 10. Ah. Okay. And I was singing Elvis. And the whole world opened up for me at that 1330 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:45,400 time. And I had to memorize via muscle memory. Melody. Yeah. Okay. It was, it still is an 1331 01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:51,800 arduous task. Yeah. Kind of much better now because 54 years old, man, used to it, you 1332 01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:58,400 know? But the thing is, is that when I was in NS, because I didn't go, I didn't pursue 1333 01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:05,760 anything after my old levels. Okay. Let's cut the long story short. I was going to go 1334 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:16,120 to radio. My dad passed away not long before I went into NS. Okay. And my family is very 1335 01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:24,080 small. So there's only the three of us after my dad passed on. So one fine day, just before, 1336 01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:29,040 a couple of months prior to my leaving the national service, I came back home and I said 1337 01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:38,020 to my mom, I said, mommy, I'm gonna go on radio. No, I'm gonna be a DJ. The following 1338 01:13:38,020 --> 01:13:45,840 weekend when I came back, there was, and I literally mean it, violent protest about my 1339 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:57,400 decision. And I didn't pursue. This comes from family. Family. I didn't pursue it. I'm 1340 01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:05,440 not going to say where I eventually went to. I did. I forged myself a career there. Okay. 1341 01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:18,520 I'm a veteran there. I'm a veteran here as well. Yep. But, but what, do I feel fulfilled? 1342 01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:28,400 No. Completely unfulfilled. Because at this stage of my life, if I had gone to radio, 1343 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:34,000 things would have been so different. I would have, it would not be, it would be happy every 1344 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:41,120 day. You're just going to just get behind this. So now this show, this, I built this 1345 01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:49,840 whole thing here. You see, this is me saying to the young person out there, sometimes you 1346 01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:57,520 didn't mean well, don't have to listen to your folks. Listen to your heart and don't 1347 01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:03,920 end up like this piss ass frog like looking piece of shit, feeling unfulfilled and not 1348 01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:10,440 doing what he wanted to do. That's what I want to say. How about to people who are like 1349 01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:18,040 us, who are going to be parents or friends, you know. Okay. You know, I will come to that. 1350 01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:23,640 This is really a conversation. Okay. So I would just say this. First of all, I ended 1351 01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:33,080 the story wrong just now. Years after I pursued another career, I actually asked my mom, why 1352 01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:39,200 did were you so violently against me going into radio? And she said, she said, what radio? 1353 01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:46,400 She forgot? No. She said, you said you're going to be a DJ. What? In a nightclub? Oh, 1354 01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:55,160 yeah. So it was miscommunication. Wait, so you never clarify? No. Why? Because it ended 1355 01:15:55,160 --> 01:16:04,200 so abruptly, the protest was so bad that there was no way to even discuss it. So it ended 1356 01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:10,760 that way, you know. So I became this accidentally, I didn't go into something that I was built 1357 01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:20,400 to do. So now it's about communication. Yeah. Ask the questions and clarify. Clarify. Yeah. 1358 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:26,040 And don't violently object against what your children want to do. Listen to them first. 1359 01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:33,080 That's my answer to you. Because I mean, come on man, in today's age, think about this. 1360 01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:38,920 What's going to be necessary for people out there? When your kid, you got a kid? Yeah. 1361 01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:45,120 Okay. How old is your kid? Three. Okay. Mine's 15. You single. Okay. Single doesn't mean 1362 01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:53,560 you got no kids. Okay. No kids, right? Okay. So come on. I mean, look, with AI coming out, 1363 01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:58,720 man, I don't know. You better let them make their decisions and choices, man. We don't 1364 01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,800 know what's going to be happening, right? There's no gauge. Conventionality is going 1365 01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:07,160 to be thrown out the freaking window. So really we just got to be watchful about what's going 1366 01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:14,720 to be happening. But again, I think the music business is a beautiful business, man. I mean, 1367 01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:19,480 we're going to sing a song right now for all of you because I'm going to enjoy these voices 1368 01:17:19,480 --> 01:17:25,680 in my cans. I'm pretty sure it's going to be great. I'm going to be having little ear 1369 01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:33,160 orgasms, eargasms as in short, for effect, for these two. And it's something for Christmas 1370 01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:37,720 time, something that hopefully keep you happy, something I wish always that we could have 1371 01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,120 in Singapore. Never going to happen unless climate change really that bad. The world's 1372 01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:47,240 going to be ending if that happens. And that's called snow. So we'll be singing for you a 1373 01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:53,840 great old, age old, lovely Christmas song called Let It Snow. We hope you like this 1374 01:17:53,840 --> 01:18:00,160 one. You and your families, people, have a blessed, wonderful, meaningful, and very, 1375 01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:05,040 very happy Christmas time. And Merry Christmas to you too, guys. And thanks for being on 1376 01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:09,400 the show. Thank you for having us. We hope you like this one, guys. Merry Christmas, 1377 01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:10,400 everybody. Bye bye. 1378 01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:11,400 Merry Christmas. 1379 01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:32,120 Oh, the weather outside is frightful, but the fire is so delightful. And since we've 1380 01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:42,040 got a snow place to go, let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. It doesn't show signs of 1381 01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:49,800 something, and I brought some corn for popping. The lights have turned way down low. Let it 1382 01:18:49,800 --> 01:19:00,880 snow, let it snow, let it snow. When we finally kiss goodnight, I hate going out in the store. 1383 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:10,000 But if you really hold me tight, all the way home I'll be warm. Now the fire is slowly 1384 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:19,840 dying. And my dear, we're still goodbyin'. As long as you love me so. Let it snow, let 1385 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:29,440 it snow, let it snow. It doesn't show signs of stoppin', and I brought some corn for popping. 1386 01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:36,880 Oh, the lights have turned way down low. Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. 1387 01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:10,120 When we finally kiss goodnight, I hate going out in the store. But if you really hold me 1388 01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:24,240 tight, all the way home I'll be warm. Now the fire is slowly dying. And my dear, we're 1389 01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:33,720 still goodbyin'. As long as you love me so. Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. Let 1390 01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:48,000 it snow, let it snow, let it snow. Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. Let it snow. 1391 01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,600 Merry Christmas everybody, and have a blessed happy time. 1392 01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:59,480 Thanks guys, that was really nice man, the harmony. Wow, that was like sweet in my ears, 1393 01:20:59,480 --> 01:21:00,480 or what? 1394 01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:17,480 Let this be our prayer. Let this be our prayer. Just like every child. Just like every child. 1395 01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:33,480 We need to find a place, guide us with your grace. Give us faith so we'll be safe. 1396 01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:48,480 We need to find a place, guide us with your grace. Give us faith so we'll be safe. 1397 01:21:48,480 --> 01:22:07,480 Send our gifts somewhere. 1398 01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:33,640 Merry Christmas everybody.