1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,720 Previously on The Chris Hansen Conversation. 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:07,120 So would you say that radio wasn't actually a calling for you? 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:07,620 No, it was... 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:08,660 It wasn't? 5 00:00:08,660 --> 00:00:12,480 No, no. I was an accident and I have Lyndon Yeo to thank for that. 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,120 Yeah, how did it happen man? How did it happen? How did you end up in radio? 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:22,720 No, I... So I had a life all planned out to be in law, graduated with this diploma. 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:31,760 Not good enough results to go into NUS because it's the standard so high, right? 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:32,260 Okay. 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:37,760 From polytechnic especially. Couldn't afford to go overseas to get the degree. 11 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,240 And father says, oh it's time for you to go work. Okay, what am I going to do here? I don't know 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:47,280 what to do. Going to the army and I served the special investigation branch. There was an 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:53,040 opportunity with the military prosecutor's office but and I can't reveal too much. I think I don't 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:58,720 know whether it still applies to me these laws but there were certain cases that I did and it 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:06,880 got to my head and I wish I had a support system to guide me and say, hey it's okay. I'm not blaming 16 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:13,120 the SAF. I'm blaming outside to guide me and say, okay you can still get through this. I mean it's 17 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,640 not like I can go home and talk about these things, right? What was mental health back then? 18 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,920 Yeah. You suck it up. So I was lost. I was going in circles and I started and someone suggested, 19 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,000 why don't you try radio? I'm like, oh yeah try. What is this radio thing? I don't know how to do. 20 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:32,560 That's so random though. Yeah, yeah. You know very random because I used to MC in school. Right. So 21 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:39,040 I needed money. Okay. Okay. I tried to be MC. You know as a young, what was I, by the time I left, 22 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:47,120 I was like 23, 24. Right. Finnish army, right? Should be. Yeah. Don't know how to groom myself, 23 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:53,440 MCing which requires a lot of rah-rah which I'm not very good at. The event organizers will laugh 24 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:58,480 at you and be okay you need to do better, criticize you. Okay, you're the guina, right? You 25 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,080 got to earn, right? You got to earn your way through, right? Yeah. The paycheck, what is the 26 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:07,040 paycheck? You think you can charge two, three, four, five thousand like some of these big players? You 27 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:16,000 can't. But randomly someone said try radio. So I sent to everywhere, rejected everywhere and I got 28 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:23,360 lucky with WKRZ, Techno radio station 91.3. Lyndon Yeoh who was I think head of sales back then 29 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:29,360 gave me a call. I love this man. I owe him a lot. He says, okay, I got your resume. Are you ready 30 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,280 for this? Isn't that funny? Like he was like a radio DJ. Are you ready for this sir? Yeah, what? 31 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:39,040 But we don't mind offering you something part-time. Come here and read news because I sent a news demo. 32 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:44,960 I'm like, oh okay. So I sent a news demo. I got in a couple of months. Things start to change. SPH 33 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:50,240 buys more shares. We're going to move over to the building. One year later, Jamie Melvin comes in. 34 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:56,080 You have heard the story from Joe Agustin. Jamie says, okay. The late Jamie rest his soul says, 35 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:02,000 okay, you're going to go on a morning show from Monday with with Joanne Petrina. What? What? These 36 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,400 two people, I'm just in my own world recording news. No, no, no, you go read it live. No more recording. 37 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,920 First word Joe says to me, I'm not going to make it easy for you. I'm like, oh I'm dead man. 38 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,960 I have said some stupid things on air as far as pronunciation is concerned. 39 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:30,960 But that you can choose to let those moments play into your ego. You feel, oh, I can't do this anymore. 40 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,920 You become weak mentally and run away or you could find a way out. But I got into the all time loop 41 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,200 is Jamie Meldrum comes to me and says, you know, kid, some people can read news and some people 42 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:50,640 can't. You can't. You're off air. Oh wow. You're going to go produce for Joe. I think Joe Petrina 43 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,280 had left. I think the Nissan came in for a bit or something like that. Right. You're going to go 44 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:00,240 produce for them. Huh? Yeah. Find gas, find interviews, calls, lining all up. And then you 45 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:07,600 write the news for them as well. Like what? You know what I did? I worked on my craft 46 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:18,720 and I begged my way back. And when I got back, I never lost it. And even it's easy to be angry, 47 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:25,680 but I always had respect with Jamie Meldrum. And even before he passed on, we were, 48 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:31,200 we were very respectful to each other. Right. Very kind to each other. I think deep down, he also 49 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:36,880 respected that effort. You know, how often does that happen? I tell this story to, story to 50 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:43,600 younger people that, ah, it's my right to go on air. So it's like a badge you earned. I feel like 51 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:49,760 shit. Yeah. Okay. But then since it wasn't a calling when he got into it, then, you know, 52 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:57,280 you got knocked down, you got up and it became a love. So like, and I'm sure you see these videos 53 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:03,120 on like your LinkedIn or your Instagram stories. This guy, Simon Sinek, who talks about, yeah, 54 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,160 success mindset, right? Right. And I like what he says, you know, a lot of people think, 55 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,600 go find your passion and work in your passion. Why are you so lucky you can be in your passion? 56 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,200 My wife even said this to me, you know, you're very lucky you're in a job that you're passionate 57 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:20,000 about. They say radio is not my passion. You're like, really? I've always thought it's your 58 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:25,120 passion. No, my passion is law. I love the law. I love, I love the law to the point I like, like, 59 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:31,120 like law movies, law books, law conversations. Till now, even till now. Till now, I love it. 60 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:40,160 I know that's not going to be my career. I know for a fact, uh, radio was something, the passion 61 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:49,360 from radio is actually my payoff. It's actually my reward because I got to deal with the obstacles, 62 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:54,720 get good at it. You know, even to become a business and finance presenter from it, 63 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:03,520 pivoted within it so many times, the passion is in, hey, blood, sweat and tears. You worked out some 64 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:10,800 of the problems and here's where you are and you should be happy with the passion that you 65 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,520 built from it. So it's part of my life. Basically you took ownership of it. Yeah. And, and, and, 66 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:21,760 and we should, right, take ownership of everything. One advice that someone gave me a long time ago is 67 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:28,640 own your shit. Yeah, I mean, no, no, no. When you say own your shit, that's different. Yeah. 68 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:34,080 But taking ownership of something that you never thought that you'd be good at is something else. 69 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,560 But you're in that situation. It is your shit. So you took ownership of it. 70 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:44,960 What? Okay. But wouldn't it be great based on what your wife said, and I'm a proponent of that these 71 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:53,840 days, what your wife said, to really work on something you love so much rather than doing 72 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:58,400 something that could be lucrative. And yes, of course the journey would matter more than the 73 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:04,560 destination and you would lap that all up and like what you, what you have, you know, and enjoy it. 74 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:11,120 And that's rightly so. But for me, I'm a proponent for the other now. Okay. Do something you're 75 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:16,480 passionate in and every single day of your life is not worth it. That's true. You know, and instead 76 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,960 of taking ownership of it, say, you know what, I kind of like this, but I kind of like this versus 77 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:29,760 what you're born to love are two different things. By the end, if at Money FM, when we started it 78 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:36,640 six years ago, I was already passionate about it. If not, I wouldn't have succeeded the way I did. 79 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:42,560 If not, I wouldn't have. And I'll tell you a story about trouble that I had in the first year 80 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:50,560 in a while. But right now, deciding to leave, at least at the time of this recording, when I 81 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:56,080 decided to leave earlier this year, I had become or have become passionate in other things. I 82 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:03,040 become passionate in wanting to build. I become passionate in wanting to groom. And I feel you're 83 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:12,400 wasting my time just making me go on air because I have matured and built other pillars within me 84 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:19,280 that I want to give. Right. You know, I can take the easy way out and just say, hey, I'm on air, 85 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:26,000 doors open for me, you got name, quite famous, cool. But I didn't want that. So I'll give you 86 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,040 an example. Like you see me wearing this hockey shirt is because I'm kind of involved volunteering 87 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:39,920 for this Asian Hockey Federation Cup, Junior Cup. Now I was nominated and elected to the executive 88 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,080 board of the Singapore Hockey Federation in February. I don't know anything about hockey. 89 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,600 I'm an independent board member, the guy that's supposed to be unbiased. 90 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,680 I took on that because okay, I was already on my way out. The president says, you know, 91 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:55,680 this could be something like, yeah, okay. How often can you be part of a federation? Right. 92 00:08:55,680 --> 00:09:02,880 Right. And I had not put this out anywhere on social media before we had had this recording 93 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:08,240 because I felt I didn't do anything to earn my place. Okay. So comes the tournament, 94 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,640 I've got some time. I decide, okay, I can help with some of the media operations, the announcement, 95 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,400 train some of the volunteers here and there. And I had to give out a player of the match award. 96 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:23,200 Because we needed a lot of presenters, right? So I had to give out the award. And they just put me 97 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,680 as media officer, competition manager had no idea. Like, yeah, cool. No worries. And then he finds 98 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:32,480 out, why didn't you tell me you're on the executive board? I said, what does it matter? It does. 99 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,680 Because that's who you are. And in that moment, there was a sparkle in my eye. I've earned your 100 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:44,880 respect. Now I will say I'm an executive board member because I've earned your respect. Okay. 101 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:51,280 At this, I don't want to be complacent, even though I'm older than I was before, I've done more things 102 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:59,760 than I did before. I still like the idea of earning respect, keep, and those sorts of things. 103 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:08,320 Okay, bro, just this consultancy thing you've been doing. Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. Okay. 104 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:16,640 What exactly are you consulting? So this is just something to fill the gaps. Yeah. 105 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,760 Well, something better comes along. That's what you said. But what exactly are you doing? 106 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:27,120 We're doing, so I am doing a couple of things. One being brand building via podcast. So I've got a 107 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:33,760 client where they have, no, I'm not trying to steal business from you. So they have one of these 108 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:40,960 defense forums coming up. So what we are doing in the lead up is to record podcasts, which I will 109 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:47,600 host and produce, to send out to stakeholders to help build that brand, build the understanding of 110 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,200 what exactly is happening at these dialogues, these fireside chats that are going to happen. 111 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:56,720 So that's one example of brand building via podcast. The second one, which is the main one, 112 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:04,240 would be a lot of presenting training, media training. So you train a CEO before they go on CNBC, 113 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:09,920 that sort of thing. And then the final pillar is something that I hope I can learn along the way, 114 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,560 which is kind of why I'm doing this with the Hockey Federation, because I find myself in my 115 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:19,680 role doing a bit of a comms role as well. So it's that business development aspect. So I don't know 116 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:24,640 a lot about it. I know about it in theory. I haven't had the chance to practice that. So this 117 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:29,200 is an opportunity to learn and build those aspects. At the end of the day, where this 118 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,920 consultancy will go, I cannot tell you, but I can say that during this time, I can earn some money 119 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:39,840 and I can build some skills. Interesting, man. You and I should have a chat after the shoot. 120 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:52,960 Right. Why not, man? I mean, it sounds kind of interesting. You know, I've asked this young 121 00:11:52,960 --> 00:12:00,640 person a few times, not too long ago, about whether or not they still listen to radio. Joe says he 122 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:06,800 doesn't listen to listen to radio anymore because we all got this phone, this device in our hands. 123 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:15,440 I can kind of agree. And he seems to be quite right when it comes to the young people today. 124 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:23,600 Then I ask them, do you listen to radio? No. Okay. Do you know anyone on radio at all? 125 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:30,880 Maybe. I don't know. Do you know, um, it's going to hate me for this. Do you know Glenn Ong? Who's that? 126 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:39,520 So my point is, do you think, and I've always, I will say this. I've always said, 127 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:47,120 Ed, video didn't kill the radio star. What do you think, Ed? Do you think it's going the way 128 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,240 of the dinosaurs, man? You know who killed the radio star? It wasn't MTV. 129 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,200 You know who killed the radio star? Who? I'll tell you. Who? The radio star. 130 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:07,200 Why do I need to list? So that's why I'm very comfortable in talk radio. I find this my calling. 131 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,480 Yeah. Because of a few things that I learned. I'll get to that in a bit. 132 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:21,200 Why do I need to listen to the radio? It's just like, uh, why do I need this particular coffee 133 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:26,000 or why do I need to buy these things? We are salesmen. I've denied it for years, 134 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,120 but the truth is we are salesmen. Yep. So why are you selling? So if I don't need you for music, 135 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,360 which I can get on Spotify, the whole world tune in to the time that Taylor Swift launched 136 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:40,560 her new album on Spotify. The whole reason why she took off all the albums and re-recorded it 137 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:47,680 because it's a business decision, right? So why do I need to listen to radio for music? 138 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:52,080 Okay. No problem. Nostalgia? Convenience? I switch on in the car? Sure. 139 00:13:54,480 --> 00:14:02,320 The radio personality? Hmm. So what about the radio personality? And this isn't a criticism to 140 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:09,360 any radio personality. This is a genuine question and a genuine reason why I left. So what about? 141 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:18,640 So where am I going with this? Right. What else can I do? Now a year into Money FM, uh, in fact, 142 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:25,360 in the first month of Money FM, a guy named Mark Laude reviewed the station and he passed his 143 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:30,480 comment. And by the way, I really like Mark, a shout out to you. He says the presenters there 144 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,040 are like facilitators reading off a script that producers hand to them with all the prep work. 145 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:44,640 Wah die. One year later, my favorite, best, beloved co-anchor, Yasmin Yonggur, leaves for 146 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:50,560 CNA. She's always a big sister to me and I'm going, I'm in trouble. I'm alone now. So I go in in the 147 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:56,560 morning, show starts at six, right? I go in morning five plus, I watch CNBC. Look at how they do things, 148 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,640 how trying to gain all the knowledge that every day, one hour, learn, learn, learn. And I came 149 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:06,000 across this guy, Sri Jagar Raja. Now we've had passing conversations, but we don't know each other 150 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:14,320 very well. He's like my idol because he takes this jargon and he game shows the thing. He puts a bit 151 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:19,920 of, uh, how do you say, swagger to it. He puts a bit of relatable conversations to it. So why would 152 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:25,440 I listen to Sri Jagar Raja? Because I'm waiting for him to make that, that question or that comment, 153 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:31,600 and then, and you find the, uh, how should I say the guest slightly put in the spot. So that's what 154 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:37,040 I'm after. Ah, I could learn something from there. So comes back to this question that you asked, 155 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:42,160 right? Or the comment that I made, Radio Kill the radio star. So you can't just go on backsell, 156 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:48,080 frontsell and give a few fun facts. You've got to do more. I don't have to answer to that question. 157 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:55,360 So why would people listen to you? You've got podcasts. I listen to ESPN podcasts every day. 158 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:02,400 How many, and that's another problem, right? And I specifically use the word the radio star killed 159 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:10,720 the radio star. Star. Chris, what do you think? Name me one person that listens to your podcast 160 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:17,120 right now. Name me one person. The audio listens to the audio version of your podcast. Anyone. 161 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:22,160 I really don't know. Okay. Uh. Can you picture roughly this person in your head? Doesn't matter 162 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,520 if you don't want a name name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can. Yeah. What do you think that person is doing 163 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:30,720 right now? If that person right now is listening to your podcast. It's not live anyway. Yeah. So 164 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,160 what do you think they are doing right now? If they, when they're listening to your podcast. 165 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,800 What are they doing right now? When they're listening to the podcast, they could be doing 166 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:44,160 anything. Exactly. They could be cooking. They could be washing the cars. It could be, yeah. 167 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:50,720 Absolutely. People are multitasking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So don't get into your own head. Don't 168 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,600 go away. I'm that cool radio DJ and here's the next song coming up and listen to my voice. Cause 169 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:02,640 I'm really cool with this fake American accent as well. Nobody cares. They are multitasking. Yeah. 170 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,440 So if you've got, either you've got important information for them or you don't. I think there's 171 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:13,200 only one form of appointment based listening that exists. And that is if I take the trouble to listen 172 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:20,080 to the radio because I don't want to read for the news. I think, don't you think that maybe perhaps 173 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:30,880 it could be because people upstairs don't want to see things evolve in a certain direction? 174 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,400 You know, I, I, and again. There's no evolution, right? And again, back cell, front cell, 175 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:41,360 it's the same thing all the time. Again, I just, I cannot say that I care to blame the people upstairs. 176 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:48,560 If I wanted to blame, maybe I would blame a lack of recognition for innovation. If innovation existed, 177 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:56,160 maybe I would blame a lack of pressure. How about the regulator? What about the regulator? 178 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,720 Do they, do they actually, do they come up with broad rules where maybe the broadcaster gets a 179 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:05,200 bit worried and then, you know, just tap on the brakes on a lot of things to innovate? Don't talk 180 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:12,560 about gay sex on radio. Do you need to talk about gay sex on radio? Okay. But it's me expressing 181 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:20,320 myself. Do you need to? It's a service job. It's a service job. Right. So how do you provide good- 182 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,400 So what are you saying? What are you saying at it? You're saying that, uh, no, it's not, 183 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,880 it's not the regulator. I'm saying we need to take ownership. Look, there are rules everywhere. 184 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:34,160 Oh my God. There's direction. You are saying almost the same thing Joe has said, man. Take your own, 185 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:39,440 take your own ownership. Do you realize in a different way, you're telling me exactly the 186 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:46,720 same thing Joe has mentioned? Well, he's saying the same thing. If, if I was fortunate enough to be 187 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:51,920 20 years older, maybe I could have been his partner. Look, I'm, I, Joe's rubbed people the wrong 188 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:57,440 way and he's brought this up. But from his point of, take five seconds, just five seconds, right? 189 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:03,600 Yup, yup. From his point of view, he's right. Okay. Just like from your point of view, you're 190 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,320 right, but can you put that aside and just put the emotions aside and listen, what's the issue here? 191 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:14,640 Someone out there will have a better way of packaging it and telling it to, to you, 192 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:20,160 but is that being packaged? That's what I believe. I don't care about management, 193 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:25,760 not because I don't respect them, but I'm old enough, educated enough to think for myself. 194 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:32,400 Okay. There are rules, there are expectations, there are, there are targets, sales. How do I 195 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:39,280 put it all together? How do I get the best product given the circumstances? So like right now, I'm 196 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:46,000 at this hockey tournament, I'm managing a bunch of announcers. Right. They are not even 10% on my 197 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,960 level. Am I going to go criticize them? No, because everyone's a volunteer. Yeah. So this situation 198 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,440 requires a different way of thinking. Hi guys, I don't need you to do the whole lineup because I 199 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:00,400 can't give you Prono guides. I don't need you to mention every single statistic because I'm 200 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,840 no hockey expert and I don't think people are expecting you to be expert, but I need you to 201 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:09,440 understand one thing. You're here to announce, not commentate, announce. Tell us the teams, 202 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:15,920 tell us the score, thank the umpires. Keep it simple. So it's also again, coming back to the 203 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:21,200 very basic thing, right, of radio. Yeah. Joe has his own, everybody's got their own philosophy. My 204 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:27,280 philosophy is what was taught to me by people like Suzanne Walker and Clarissa Montero. Know your 205 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,680 audience. Right. So that's why I imagine them when I'm talking to them. Right. I'm talking to this 206 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:36,240 person, he's got to relate to this person, right? Right. I'm very smart. I know this is a really big 207 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:41,600 word, but how can I use a simple word? Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Because if you don't know your 208 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:46,320 audience, they can't relate to what you're saying anyway. So I'm that kind of person that yes, it's 209 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:53,200 easy to blame structure, bureaucracy or whatever, but maybe, and maybe this is just the way I was 210 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:59,120 raised. Maybe I just look at myself first and what I can do. So the summing up, you feel that 211 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:06,160 radio is going the way the dinosaur is in. If you continue thinking this way, yeah. Look, you can 212 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:13,760 still have your radio. Look, I believe and maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, that you will always 213 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:22,000 need radio. We learned radio in school, how it's a medium when it's a time of war. Okay. Will things 214 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,280 be different? Will it be through the app? I think we'll still need that frequency tower. Yeah. Yeah. 215 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,000 If things are really serious. Yeah. Of course, the national radio, I mean, you're going to make 216 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,800 announcements in case the circuit board is in crisis or whatever. Correct. And I went for a course 217 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:43,200 taught by an ex BBC guy about how you articulate all of these during a potential terrorist attack, 218 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,720 that sort of thing. And it made me re-appreciate radio again. I'm like, oh, it's nice to be trained 219 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:52,400 in this as well. But anyway, so you're always going to need that. So, but within that, how can you 220 00:21:54,160 --> 00:22:00,480 diversify your ability? Can you be putting out podcasts that are meaningful? In fact, 221 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:06,800 should radio become talk radio? Does music matter on radio anymore? You're competing with Spotify. 222 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:12,160 Yeah. You're competing with the guys like Joe Rogan, who can rack in that kind of money and 223 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:18,480 put themselves on. Don't we all wish we could be that? Oh man. I'm still a qualified dream man, 224 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,760 but hey, I think I'm the only guy in Asia doing this. No, and you're going up against, 225 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:29,520 radio is going up against guys like yourself. I don't think they see me per se as a threat. 226 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:35,920 But it shouldn't be a threat. I don't see you. If tomorrow I'm back on radio, if tomorrow I'm 227 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:41,360 back on radio and they gave me a segment called life, I wouldn't see you as a threat. Why? I 228 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:45,520 listen to you. What can I learn from you? Okay. He's doing this with one of the gaps. How can I 229 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:50,000 plug the gaps? It's just like Joe, you said that I say the same thing as him. I learned from that 230 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:55,040 too. And I respect him. Don't give me more. I really respect Joe. I learned from him like, 231 00:22:55,040 --> 00:23:02,000 maybe I can position my views this way. And even that I still need to learn again to position it 232 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:07,680 better. Right. It's just, you get what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do. There's all collaboration 233 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,160 now, right? There's things that we can learn from one another. Wow. I'm glad you said that. 234 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:18,080 You spend time being threatened. I'm glad you said that man. You know, in 2020, when I first 235 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:24,240 started in the podcast arena with my previous show called Kopi with Chris. Oh yeah. I like that one. 236 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:32,640 And I hope this one's better. Anyway, it wasn't my show. Anyway, so I was just the host. 237 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:39,680 It was named with my name. This was just my first name, you know? Yeah. Anyway, so I used to say 238 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:45,760 this to people. I can't remember who. So many. And I've always enjoyed the fact, especially when 239 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:53,760 COVID came in, that it's all about collaboration and not about competition anymore. Simply because, 240 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:59,600 you know, I said this a couple of episodes ago. I'm just going to touch on it again. Two of my 241 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:12,480 guests on one of the episodes. One is the daughter of an Indian food chain. Okay. Yeah. And the other 242 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:21,840 guy, when he started his new bar, COVID came, but he pivoted. They're both there, you know? So one 243 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:27,760 came up with, the girl came up with this for the Prata business or the Indian food business. Make, 244 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:34,080 do a DIY Tose. Okay. And deliver it to your house with a set of instructions. So you get something 245 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:40,720 to do, right? Yeah. And then this guy met her, the bar owner, met her on my show and they started 246 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,960 collaborating. And it came with his booze and then he turned his bar around to start, you know, 247 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:53,920 bottling booze, you know, and coming up with their own mixes. And then it accompanies the DIY Tose 248 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:59,360 and vice versa. So it's about collaboration, which I'm quite glad to hear you say that because 249 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:04,960 that's the way to go. You know, my dream and I'm, I know this conversation is about, I love my job 250 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:11,440 and don't get me wrong, I still love my job. And my job is me and what I represent, what I can give. 251 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,960 My dream and hope is to have a podcast session like that with Prime Minister Lawrence Wong. 252 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:24,800 Oh, PM Sir, please come to my show first before going in. We can do it together. 253 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,920 I promise I shall keep my language as clean as I can. No, but it's not. And you know what, 254 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:37,120 heads off to him, he's quite a trendy guy. The effort that he makes. I mean, he plays blues, 255 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:43,600 he plays jazz. I mean, come on. Maybe that goes a long way. No, but you see, why him? Because 256 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:49,040 there's this conversation about culture that's coming up. A lot of countries around the world 257 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,880 are also trying to address certain aspects of the culture. And I think we talk about collaboration. 258 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:58,560 You're very glad I brought this up, but I take it back a little bit. And there's this stupid 259 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:05,280 equation that exists in most majority, not everyone, this stupid mathematical equation 260 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:11,200 that exists. And it goes like that. Oh, you are doing this equals, I need to see if I'm better 261 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:19,440 than you divided by how can I show I'm better than you slash I must compare myself to you. 262 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:24,560 So I will out talk you to show you that I'm better than you. Right. Singaporean. I hate it. 263 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:31,040 Yeah. You get what I mean? There's always this stupid competition. You know something, man. 264 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,640 I really don't want to take this there, man. But I think it's not, 265 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,640 we can say it's Singaporean abroad. But if we were to chunk it down. 266 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,520 Fair. Yeah. So, you know, if I, you know where I'm going with this, if I'm taking this any further, 267 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,880 then I tell you, I'm going to have people knocking on my door. So I'm not going to go that direction. 268 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,520 No, I've deleted your address so they won't get it from me. 269 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,880 But you do know where I'm going with this, right? Yeah. And that makes us a very selfish lot. 270 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:02,880 Yeah. And that's really sad. I cannot understand, you know, the recent kerfuffle over 271 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:09,520 kerfuffle over the mural of the Sam Sui woman holding a cigarette in her hand. 272 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:16,160 And URA said that they spoken to the artist. They want the cigarette removed because there was a 273 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:23,040 complaint. And this person, there's some people, or rather one person who complained at that. 274 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,120 Oh, she looks like a prostitute. It's a legal job. 275 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:31,600 And I really think that sometimes, you know, stat boards and ministries and the government per se, 276 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:39,520 should not be so light-eared. You cannot change history. Sam Sui women back then did smoke. 277 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:48,480 So that's the truth. Why do we want to hide the truth? It's as good as the Japanese and modern day 278 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,360 Japanese government, not the current ones and not in recent times, but right after the war 279 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:57,360 and the school books. Have you heard about it? They didn't talk about the war. 280 00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:58,960 Study that in history. Yeah. Yeah. 281 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:06,160 Yeah. You know, in history. And I mean, why do we want to really bend to these people? 282 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:13,280 This is too pop... It's... Don't be a populist, you know? 283 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,640 So what did you do? What was your first reaction when you heard this news piece that Ronnie 284 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,200 Cheng called Singaporeans a bunch of self-entitled Karens? Because I had a damn good laugh. 285 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,800 Because I completely agree with him. Yeah. 286 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,960 We have a lot of Karens in this town, man. It's weird. 287 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,680 Poor Karens who are actually nice. Like people, nice people named Karens. 288 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,400 Whoever came up with this Karens term. I don't know. 289 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:44,800 I tell you, I mean, all the Karens in the world must be so pissed about this shit. 290 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,800 But there are Karens out there, man. I mean, I'm sorry to use the term Karens, 291 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,760 but unfortunately it's a global phenomenon now. That word being used, the terminology being used. 292 00:28:53,760 --> 00:29:00,960 But you know, I'm very sad in here. You know, I read all these rubbish every day. 293 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,080 The worst is to read comments on headlines, you know? 294 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,760 And comments online, you know, with the headlines and stuff. 295 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,560 And it really drives you up the freaking wall. You know, people can be just so fucking mean. 296 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,040 And it's... I don't... I hate this. I hate this call out shit. 297 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,760 I hate people who virtue signal. To me, they're bullies. 298 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,840 Well, yeah. 299 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,880 You know, they're bullies, you know? And I hate bullies, man. 300 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,120 I love what... You know that old TV show, Leverage? 301 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,240 They got a new one out, a new version out, Leverage Redemption. 302 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,640 I like watching Leverage, you know what? Because I see bullies getting fucked over and I love it. 303 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:40,880 And you know what's funny? Most of the time, adult bullies were people who were bullied as kids. 304 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,280 Exactly. And what goes around really just keeps going around in circles, man. 305 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,240 But you know, one thing, I think you're going to miss a few things though. 306 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,760 I got so freaking envious when I saw this. 307 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,520 You're a Man United fan, right? 308 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 309 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:58,800 All right, brother. 310 00:29:58,800 --> 00:29:59,600 Right. 311 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,480 GGMU, man. Right. And the chicken freaking crossed the road because there was a guy 312 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:05,840 waiting to make chicken curry. 313 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,760 I hate it. I was so envious. 314 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:14,560 Why? What did they do? 315 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,520 I'm so envious, man. Because I saw this. 316 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:24,400 I saw this with Yoki and Genev. I mean, what the fuck? Can we have the picture up again? 317 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,680 Okay, here we go. Yeah. 318 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,760 So this Yoki one, right? When I walk into the room, an ex-colleague of mine, 319 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:35,600 JK from Power 98, tells Dwight Yoke, hey, hey, be careful with this guy. He's a boxer. 320 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,520 I'm like, you stupid fool. And then Dwight Yoke looks at his own muscles. 321 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,520 He's like, what, 50? Look at him. Look at him. 322 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,040 Look at that guy, man. He's in shape, man. Look at the pecs. 323 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,120 Look at the freaking shoulders and the arms, man. 324 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,600 But I love JK. He's a bit of a clown, but I love the guy. 325 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,040 You get to see your heroes and how nice they are. But the one that really, 326 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:02,240 I don't know. I feel there will be more lessons to learn from that interview. 327 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:07,600 It was the one that I did with Gary Neville. He praised my voice, but- 328 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,440 Because he's got a fucked up one. 329 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,640 It's the English anyway. 330 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,240 Yeah, yeah. The man. 331 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,840 The man. The man. Yeah. 332 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,800 How he commanded the room and how his thoughts were so put together, 333 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,680 and any question that I threw at him, he was so flexible and- 334 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,240 For a footballer, yeah. I mean, okay. I'm not being an asshole when I say that. 335 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,960 It's quite sad that we say that, right? Because, no, but because we live- 336 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,960 I have Hassan Sunny coming next weekend. 337 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,080 He's a nice guy. 338 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,400 No, I know. My dear friend, his coffee shop is just around the corner, man. 339 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,200 It's booming, man. 340 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,640 Oh, you're telling me. I was there just now. It's whoa, dude. 341 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,960 Wow. He's a good man. 342 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,320 Yeah, he is, yeah. 343 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,600 That's the thing, right? We pigeonhole. We get pigeonholed. 344 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,000 Hmm. 345 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:56,560 We get, yeah. 346 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,920 Stereotype. 347 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,480 Stereotype. 348 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,440 I have a stereotype. Yeah, thanks. I've encountered that as well in some 349 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,640 interviews. Yeah, well, you're an ex-radio presenter, so what else can you do? 350 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:05,920 And then I explain- 351 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:06,400 No. 352 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,120 Oh, I cannot. 353 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:07,760 You get that? 354 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,880 I cannot. 355 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,160 I never heard this kind of- 356 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,120 My Singaporean stuff all coming out. 357 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:11,620 Huh. 358 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:12,740 Canah. 359 00:32:12,740 --> 00:32:13,240 Canah. 360 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,920 But I just laugh. 361 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,880 No, I've never heard that, you know. I've never heard that coming from anyone. 362 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:25,680 So it's funny. So I get that from, say, maybe my generation or younger. 363 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,320 Right. 364 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,040 But I've had the experience of, I remember this one time I was at a funeral week, 365 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,120 and a question was asked about something. I can't remember what. 366 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,200 I didn't have the answer. You know what my uncle said to me? 367 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,480 Hmm. You radio DJ, you're supposed to know everything before you go on air, right? 368 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,520 Oh, really? 369 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,440 No, and this was just general knowledge, you know. 370 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,880 I know you sigh, but for me in that moment, I went, wow, 371 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,640 that is the expectation of us from your generation. 372 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,880 Oh, you're being so kind just thinking that way. 373 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,320 How interesting. Yeah. I mean- 374 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,080 You're being so kind. 375 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,480 Why be negative? 376 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:06,240 I would- my answer would be, my answer would be, hey man, if I knew everything today, I'd be- 377 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,520 I'd be running the country. 378 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,520 Also, it was a funeral week. So I turned around and- 379 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,720 I'm sorry man. 380 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,960 Thanks uncle. Nice to see you too. 381 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,560 I wouldn't. I would have just gone for it. 382 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:17,600 I don't want to see you anymore. 383 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,280 Regardless. Regardless, man. Let's talk about something more fun. 384 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,880 Okay. Let's go for something more fun. 385 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:23,380 Yeah. 386 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,040 So you- you're a man, you know what I'm saying? 387 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,480 Yeah. Back to this, okay. 388 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,640 Who is your all-time favorite player, man? 389 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:39,920 Wow. And don't laugh at me. I actually started watching United or deciding to support United. 390 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,880 I think it was 95, Wimbledon, David Beckham, 55 yards against Nielsen. 391 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:45,840 I don't blame you, man. 392 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,320 Yeah. I like this team. They're quite stylish. 393 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:48,820 Yeah. 394 00:33:48,820 --> 00:33:54,480 And I think we lost or we had just lost the title to Blackburn previously. So it was not exactly- 395 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,800 it was a team in transition. This was the year, you know, all the kids started to play. 396 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,720 Yeah. The class of 95. 397 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:06,160 Because it's a- and Sir Alex Ferguson, I don't mean for this to sound the wrong way. 398 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,240 I always consider Sir Alex Ferguson like my second father because I learned about life through him. 399 00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:15,840 Courage, bravery, express yourself. You know, he watched these documentaries. 400 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,880 Even after he retired, you know, the things that he teaches at Harvard, right? 401 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:19,380 Yeah. 402 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,260 Wow. 403 00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:21,360 Leadership. 404 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,760 It's not like these guys are fantastic. 405 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,360 Can you name yourself fantastic right back? 406 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,000 Yeah. Yeah. 407 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,600 It's like a chicken when he runs around. 408 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,200 But they gave their all. 409 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:29,840 They gave their all. 410 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,340 Yeah. 411 00:34:30,340 --> 00:34:34,720 That's why I try. I try to have that mindset. 412 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:39,360 Oh, okay. Bureaucracy, rules, regulations, but what can I do in this scenario? 413 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,400 Within that sphere. Within that tight space that you're- 414 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,600 I try. I try. 415 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,480 Yeah. Yeah. So who? David Beckham. 416 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,280 David Beckham. 417 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,960 Have you ever had a chance to interview him? 418 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,460 No. 419 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:50,720 Oh, man. 420 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:51,760 So that's- 421 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,600 But he- that guy's been- he like comes in and out of Singapore more often than Gene Levin. 422 00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:01,360 But I never got the chance and when I- and I'm not gonna lie, before I left on my final 423 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:07,280 show on April 30th, I spent about three weeks. Okay. Maybe there's a wave on the phone or Zoom. 424 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,880 Just that one last one. That one last one for me. 425 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,960 MBS. The fellow always goes there, man. 426 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,120 They stop replying my email. 427 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,480 So this is the one- this is just the one guy- 428 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,360 That you want to- 429 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:27,760 Yeah. Because I know that and maybe it's just as well because, yeah, and you've seen his 430 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,480 documentary as well. I knew about those because I was- I read his biographies and everything. 431 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:40,000 So that the- how he overcome- overcame all of that mental strength is what I'm interested in. 432 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,040 Crazy and what he went through. 433 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:41,520 Exactly. 434 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,800 It's ridiculous, man. 435 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,400 And you're not putting him up on a pedestal, but hey, if a man can do this, 436 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,960 maybe you can do half of it. Maybe you can try. So for me, this is that one- 437 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,440 I think Bex deserves everything he has now. 438 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,360 Yeah. Yeah. This is that one thing that- that the one interview that I never got a chance to have. 439 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:57,920 Oh man. 440 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,960 Yeah. Just too bad. 441 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,480 So Tenhark, Eric Tenhark. 442 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,400 Oh, you're really getting into it. 443 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:05,760 Keep him or lose him? 444 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:06,800 Keep him. 445 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:07,860 Why? 446 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:15,840 I have always felt this way since Fergie left. It's never been the managers. I'm even fine with 447 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,200 David Moyes or Ole Gunnar Sosha. It's the players. 448 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,840 Yeah. The prima donnas, man, in locker room. 449 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,960 I'm very Roy Keane about this. He's got to play with some heart, man. 450 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,320 Remember when Roy Keane said, old school? What do you call old school? 451 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,400 Working hard, turning up for training. 452 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:33,700 It's true. 453 00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:34,640 Oh, that's good, man. 454 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,760 Is that old school? 455 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,840 Fuck, that's good, man. That's a good kiddo, man. Oh man. 456 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:40,480 But it's true. 457 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,640 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 458 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,600 I've always- I'm with you there. I've always- and you know, I hate the fact that sometimes I see 459 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:53,760 United fans, yeah, how stupid some of them can be. Or every time something goes wrong, 460 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,760 sack the manager. Sack the manager. It gets on my tits, man. 461 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:58,260 Oh wow, okay. 462 00:36:58,260 --> 00:36:59,760 And to me, it's like- 463 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,760 Very deep tits to carry that much. 464 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:10,400 Thank you. Every time you get rid of a manager, we regress. Three years at least. Yeah. 465 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,840 And you're always a process. And you hear this again for everyone. It's a process. It's a process. 466 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:24,320 It's a process. Then let the whichever, whoever that we've hired as a manager, work his process. 467 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,120 And the only thing that they did right was bringing in Jim Radcliffe, putting in together 468 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,680 that structure, taking away responsibility from Tenhark of buying players because he tends to buy 469 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,680 what he knows. Is it his fault? 470 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,180 No. 471 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,720 Everyone does that. Even Mourinho did that. 472 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:39,220 Exactly. 473 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:40,800 The manumatix, right? 474 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:49,360 Yeah. So put together and in front- So this is, I would love to just ask and answer my own question. 475 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:54,640 I don't know whether you put it in your stack there. Would I ever go back to redo? And my answer would 476 00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:02,560 be, just for the sake of it, support. If you go into a company, a place, an entertainment entity, 477 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:08,720 or whatever it is, as long as it's okay with rules, okay with expectations, that's all well and good. 478 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,280 I can train my mind, no problem, but support. 479 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,520 So give you a support structure. 480 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:19,040 Support is everything. It's everything. Not support in that, hey, I want to do this. I want to 481 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:25,280 pull the line and everything. Just because you reject me doesn't mean you don't support me at all. 482 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:31,200 But that line of communication is clear. That structure needs to be clear. That trust needs 483 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:36,560 to be clear. And it's very clear, back to Manchester United, half of them don't trust each other. 484 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,800 Yeah. Is it a manager's fault? 485 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,880 Nope. But you know, I realize- 486 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:41,840 It's a chance for you. You take a chance for it. 487 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:47,600 I realize, I'm glad I brought Man United up and this issue about Eric Tanhag and, you know, the team. 488 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,000 Because if we were to relate it to what you just said, which you did, you related it right. 489 00:38:52,560 --> 00:39:00,160 You know, to me, it's prevalent everywhere. Everywhere or anywhere or any place or any country 490 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:06,320 that's tightly regulated, like the UK, they're tightly regulated. We are very regulated in this 491 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,720 country. There's no secret, right? 492 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:10,240 You need it, right? 493 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:17,200 Yeah. We need it, but there is such a term called over-regulated as well. 494 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:17,520 Fair. 495 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,800 I'm not saying we are. I'm not saying we're not, but I am saying that we are quite, we are definitely 496 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:23,680 tightly regulated. 497 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,240 We're high. 498 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:25,440 We're high on that, yeah. 499 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:34,880 And then when you have people who live and work, players included, in countries like that, right, 500 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,040 what do you get? Everyone's just going to be looking out for themselves. 501 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:45,680 And that's what you get. You see everyone, including the entities, you know, looking out 502 00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:53,120 for number one. And when looking out for number one, which is me, I, me, and there's no Irene, 503 00:39:53,120 --> 00:40:01,440 you start to just, you know, you start to get so selfish that you don't have team anymore, man. 504 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:08,160 Okay. So I think that applies everywhere. And I've seen it, see it every day here in Singapore. 505 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,760 The difference is we have something else to blame. Or regulation. 506 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,600 No, no, no, no, no. I'm not blaming it. I'm just saying that don't you think that when your place, 507 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:24,480 look man, you take anything, you take an animal, a human being, you put him in a plastic cage and 508 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,360 you suck out all the oxygen. That's his environment now. He's going to suffocate and he's going to die. 509 00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:35,440 Right? So it's not, what do you blame then? You blame the person that puts you into that 510 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,400 bloody freaking plastic cage and take out, suck out the oxygen, right? 511 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,520 Well, in that scenario you would. 512 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,880 Wouldn't it be, I mean, if you were to compare that, wouldn't it sound like the same thing? 513 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:56,000 You're in an environment that you are in and these support structures are either not given 514 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:02,880 or taken away, either one or the other, then you can't do anything. You can't move on. You can't 515 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:08,960 breathe. You can't. So this is my peeve. And since the main topic is job, let me use that 516 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:16,960 and bring up something else. When you work in a corporate structure, where do you see HR? 517 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,960 First day, last day. 518 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:28,960 Why is there no such thing as a chief retention officer? Oh, what a buzzword. How do you retain? 519 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:36,960 It's retained via engagement. How do you engage? Communicate. Not an email. 520 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:37,960 No one's going to do that, man. 521 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,960 No, but if you want, you talk about environment, right? And this is back to the environment. So 522 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,960 let's use a hypothetical. 523 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,960 No, I want to have that, but no one's going to do it. 524 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,960 The person leaves a company, right? He's pushed out. He or she is pushed out. He leaves a company, 525 00:41:52,960 --> 00:42:00,960 right? For example. And this person says, well, the air was sucked out. I had to go. 526 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,960 So the person has dealt with that. Does the company deal with it? Does the company sit down 527 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,960 and go, I think we sucked out the air and kind of forced him to leave or her to leave. 528 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,960 So how can we do better from that? 529 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,960 No, they're not going to do that. 530 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,960 No, but if we are talking about culture, we're talking about jobs. 531 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:21,960 The exit interview. 532 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:29,960 At least ask the career strategist, Adrian. Why isn't there more thought into retention? 533 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:35,960 Because the first thing, oh, skills future, $4,000. Now I can go in and study. Boss, I want to go in and study. 534 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:44,960 You're planning to change jobs. Is it so difficult to ask, okay, how can I get you to stay or how can I fulfill you more? 535 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:50,960 Because your job as a manager, maybe this is KPI, maybe this is structure. Someone saying, oh, Elliot, you don't know. 536 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:58,960 You've never been in corporate world. Maybe you're all right. But the job of a leader is not about you. 537 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,960 But most of the time I know I need to jaga because I lead a little someone promoted above me. 538 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:10,960 Your job as a leader, sorry, you've got a tough gig. You need to cultivate. You're cultivating people. 539 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,960 Your job is the people under you. And if they do good, you will shine. 540 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:21,960 Like even in what I love to use is these insurance setup or financial planner setup. 541 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:29,960 You see good boss, good agency head. Most likely everyone's happy and working and motivated and cultivated. 542 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:38,960 I met this guy recently. His name is Chuan Hai, if I'm pronouncing it right. All his people follow his system. 543 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,960 Is it ex-military man? People follow his system. They are happy. 544 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:52,960 He is not going, how much does he go out to sell? He just make sure his people figures out how to sell and goes out there and get the job done. 545 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,960 That's leadership to me. 546 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:01,960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm not going to, like I said, I'm not going to dwell so much on that particular thing. 547 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,960 But I would just... 548 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:14,960 I understand. But my point of view is that what is the point of having an exit interview when you're not going to be learning from that interview as a company? 549 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:20,960 Because it jeopardizes my position as HR. Oh, it means my company was actually bad. 550 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,960 Or my company was flawed. There's nothing wrong with that. 551 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,960 Well, what to do? That's the world we live in man. 552 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:30,960 Christ will kill you. 553 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:36,960 I know, but that's the world we live in man. I mean, don't get me the wrong way. I'm not disagreeing with you. 554 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:43,960 I'm just being resigned to the fact that that's how things are like. 555 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:50,960 I like and I really don't see anything, you know, that will happen to make things change at this time. 556 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,960 But anyway, man, I really appreciate you being on the show. 557 00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:02,960 I mean, you really did the mic drop. You left radio. A job you learned to love. 558 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,960 Yeah, you did a job you learned to love because it wasn't a calling. 559 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:12,960 And sometimes it's like that, right? You don't necessarily have to have a calling. 560 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:18,960 Well, yeah. I've always had one and it's still calling me anyway. 561 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,960 And I wish you the best. Thank you, man. I hope you get whatever you... 562 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,960 Do you know I'm a big fan of this show. I'm really, really excited to be here today. Seriously. 563 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,960 I'm not kidding you. I was sucking myself up. I'm like, okay, I'm going to Chris Henson's. 564 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,960 Well, I hope I didn't disappoint. 565 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,960 How long, Elliot, how long do you think before... I talked to myself. How long do you think before you score is a bad word? 566 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,960 Then maybe he scores first, then you score, right? 567 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,960 And then we can bond that way as bros, right? 568 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,960 And then when is he going to talk about menu? When he talks about menu, it'd be awesome. 569 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,960 But I didn't expect the photos. 570 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,960 No, seriously, I'm not... I mean, I had to do a little bit of research. 571 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,960 I love this show. I love what you're doing because it's real. 572 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,960 Thank you. Appreciate that, man. 573 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,960 I'm serious. I appreciate that. 574 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:06,960 It's real and I do not believe... I do not believe you need radio. 575 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,960 Uh huh. Wow. I don't. Really. 576 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,960 You just need a place to express yourself and you're doing it. 577 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:15,960 Yeah, I am. 578 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,960 With 31,000 plus plus subscribers. Come on, man. That's amazing. 579 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,960 Well, you know, I mean... 580 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,960 I know radio DJs who don't achieve that. 581 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,960 I am... All I can say is I'm having a lot of fun. 582 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:35,960 I meet guys like you, you know, I get all kinds of people coming on the show. 583 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,960 Small walks of life. 584 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,960 It's a learning experience as well when you listen to them. 585 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's quite fun. 586 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,960 For me, I learn a lot, man. Trust you, me. 587 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,960 And then, you know, I shake in my... No boots, I'm always barefoot. It's home. 588 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,960 I'm home. This is my home. 589 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,960 And, you know, singing songs with people like Aliyah, people like John Klaas. 590 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,960 And then recently, you're going to be watching The Soon, you too, with Mel Ferdinand. 591 00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:00,960 That should be a treat. 592 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,960 Yeah, and you know, I've got some more coming, you know, my tribute show to Singapore's music icons. 593 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,960 Because I do whatever I can to make sure that people really... 594 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,960 Singapore start to recognize who our musos are, who our entertainers are, who our DJs are even. 595 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,960 Yeah, you know, yeah, really. 596 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,960 Because I really feel that... 597 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,960 It's like you said, it's a service. 598 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:23,960 Yes. 599 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:29,960 And not anyone can just pick up a microphone or pick up an instrument and entertain you, man. 600 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:30,960 Yeah. 601 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,960 Yeah. So I love entertainers. I love musos. 602 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:40,960 I do whatever I can to make sure that somehow, somehow they notice. 603 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,960 And by the way, you are an entertainer. 604 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:45,960 Well, I... 605 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:46,960 From the heart, I mean it. 606 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,960 Thank you. I appreciate that. 607 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:55,960 Oh man. I don't know. But for some strange reason, I've never really seen myself that way. 608 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,960 By the way, that's not for you to say. It's for everyone around you to call you an entertainer. 609 00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:00,960 Thank you. 610 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,960 That's how it works. Apparently. 611 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,960 Thanks so very much. 612 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:10,960 And Frank, I miss listening to you on air. I miss listening to you even for the news, man. 613 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:11,960 Oh gosh. 614 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,960 Because to me, you know, frankly, dude, because to me, it is an important role. 615 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:24,960 All you jocks out there on radio, I'm saying this to all of you too, that people are listening to you regardless. 616 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,960 There are those who are even older who are not listening to digital devices. 617 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,960 Yeah. Joe might disagree with me again still. 618 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:36,960 There are those who are in the cabs and grab cars and they're out driving the whole day. 619 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,960 You know, they can be playing. They can Bluetooth with their phone and all that. 620 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:47,960 But I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people like me where I still have radio on. So, you know. 621 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:48,960 I would say to that, right? 622 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:49,960 Yeah. 623 00:48:49,960 --> 00:49:02,960 And that's what kept me or that is what kept me going to be better is the fact that I'm fully aware people have a choice. 624 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,960 You could be their choice. Digital device could be their choice. 625 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:06,960 Yep. 626 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,960 Or some US station could be their choice. 627 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:08,960 Yep. 628 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,960 Remember, we live in a world where everyone has a choice. 629 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:18,960 True. And because there are those like me who have that choice, who make that choice, take that decision to tune in to some station somewhere. 630 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:29,960 Right. Especially our own local ones. It is still an important job because you are talking to your fellow citizens. 631 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:34,960 Correct. So, I have to be better because someone made me a choice. Right? 632 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:35,960 Mm-hmm. 633 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:45,960 So, all these rules, IMDA code, boss say don't do this, sales say don't do this. That's all white noise. 634 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:46,960 Yep. 635 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,960 It's not between me and the listener. 636 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:49,960 Yep. 637 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:56,960 I will never go on and say all you listeners, because that's like, I don't know. You're obviously not thinking about the listener. 638 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:57,960 Yeah. 639 00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:58,960 It's thank you for tuning in. 640 00:49:58,960 --> 00:49:59,960 Yeah. 641 00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:06,960 If you're going out today, if you don't know this, I will share it with you. It's just me and you. But actually, you know, everyone's listening, right? 642 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:07,960 Yeah. 643 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,960 It's the relationship that we learn that fundamentals just me and you. 644 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:16,960 Just take one, just imagine when you're behind a console, your can's on the mic in front of you. 645 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:17,960 Yeah. 646 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,960 And you're speaking to that one person. 647 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:20,960 And that one person. 648 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,960 And who did I learn this from? Joe Gaston. 649 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:23,960 Yep. 650 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:24,960 Right? 651 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:25,960 Yep. Yep. Yep. 652 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:34,960 Wow, Joe got a lot of mentions today. He didn't mention me when he was on your show. So, this is a bit of revenge. 653 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:42,960 Oh, well. Joe, Joe, Joe, you're still a very prolific individual. Trust me. Anyway, bro, thank you so very much, man. 654 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:49,960 I wish you the very best. I hope to hear. I don't know whether that's really going to be what you want again, but every now and then, if you do get back on there, that'd be great. 655 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:50,960 You never know. 656 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:56,960 Yeah. If not, if you're going to start another podcast, sit down and have a cup of coffee with me first. 657 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:57,960 It won't be a conflict of this. 658 00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:58,960 No, no, no, no. 659 00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:59,960 I know what my lane is. 660 00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:03,960 No, no, no, no, brother. It's not about that. We never know how we can collaborate. 661 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:04,960 Yeah. 662 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:05,960 You never know, man. 663 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:06,960 There you go. Positive mindset. 664 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:13,960 That's the only reason why I said that because you want to start something online. This, we can always sit down and talk. You never know where things might take the both of us. 665 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,960 But anyway, I appreciate the time, brother. 666 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:16,960 Thank you, sir. 667 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:26,960 Really, man. Thank you, bro. Guys, you've been watching the Chris Hansen conversation I've had with me. Elliot Danker has been, wow, what a chat, man. What a chat. 668 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,960 He out-talked me today. 669 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:40,960 All right, everybody. Until the next time, stick around, okay? Because you'll be seeing and watching a tribute show pretty soon to music icons in Singapore. 670 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:49,960 We still have a few, one or two more episodes to go for. I love my job for season. Kai, which one is it again? Four. 671 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,960 I didn't forget this time. Until next time, people. Stay safe. Yeah. Bye-bye. 672 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:55,960 Condenser, right? Can't, ah? 673 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:56,960 No, no. It's not condenser, bro. 674 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:57,960 Dynamic. 675 00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:58,960 Dynamic. 676 00:51:58,960 --> 00:51:59,960 So powerful, ah? 677 00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:00,960 Yeah. Amazing. 678 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,960 My experience is that you have to be disc... Oh, but this is a show, right? 679 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:03,960 Sure, bro. 680 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:04,960 No wonder it sounds so nice. 681 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,960 You're always sure. Sure, man. For sure. 682 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:13,960 Except the hours from 12 midnight to 2 a.m. 683 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:38,960 Ah, well.