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That's right. I don't know who to turn to and who to talk to as a child. So when I start seeing

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So, so you know, so it's easier for us to roll right in. Hi everybody and welcome back to the

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Chris Hansen conversation. This is episode five and we are still having the I love my job as a

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as the topic of the day. And you know, every time, and this has been going on for a bit,

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we've been talking a lot about and hearing a lot about, especially out there in the news and

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mainstream, about people taking risks, people taking or making mid-career changes, and the fear

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of wanting to just step out of your comfort zone, shifting your paradigms and going into something

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that you love and try to build something out of practically almost nothing. And that's the reason

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why I have this show. I love my job on the Chris Hansen conversation. And you know, if you're one

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of those out there thinking about making that move, this could just be the episode for you to

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really watch because why? In my studio today, I have the me, someone who is a, wait for it,

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wellness consultant. She was not always that. Let me tell you, we'll find out soon. She is also a

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life coach, a yoga and meditation teacher. She's coached a significant number of people on the art

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of self-awakening and realization, helping people achieve their physical, emotional, and mental

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wellbeing and realizing their full human potential. Someone like me needs someone like her. And she is

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also the co-founder of Redefine Wellness. Welcome to the studio, Shirley Tay. Thank you so much,

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Chris, for your invitation and your very kind introduction. Not at all, not at all. And I want

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to ask, I seem to always say that. I use that word so often. I want to ask. And that's the reason

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why I'm here because I always like to ask things, ask people about things. In this whole thing that

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I just read, realizing full the people, the person realizing the full human potential. Can you tell me

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what's the definition of that? What do you mean by full human potential? Well, there are,

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um, different aspects of us that we may not have fully realized. So for example, when I was a head

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hunter, I thought that... Hang on a minute. So, okay, okay. Past life, past life. My immediate past

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life, yeah. It's a head hunter. You were a head hunter. Yes. Right. Another one. Season two, I had

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mutual friend of ours, right? Yes. A physician. You know, I don't... All right. Alison, I'm doing

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you a favor. Screw those damn doctors, man. Dr. Alison Tay. That's why I will always call her that

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Dr. Alison Tay. TCM or not, I don't care what the Western doctor is going to say. Screw it. I'm

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saying it. So mutual friend of ours, she was also a head hunter. That's right. That's right. Yeah.

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We met about, um, now more than, I think we know each other for more than 20 years now. So how is

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it that head hunters are the ones that's willing or daring enough to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to

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to make careers, careers, which is midlife? Yeah. Because we have the opportunity to meet people

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from all walks of life, to hear the story and to actually see how they grow and make career

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change and switches. And, um, and we just realized that, um, there is really no limit to one's

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potential. Okay. So on that basis, I thought, so, um, I thought I was already talented in that

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aspect of my life because, um, my, my specialization is actually in industrial. So everything, all the

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industry, uh, from aerospace to zoology comes under, um, your, yes. Okay. And, um, so we have to

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have to actually learn quite a bit about different industry. Okay. And I thought I loved my job back

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then because I cannot imagine doing anything else. Okay. So you love that. I really love the job. I

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love it because I love meeting people. Okay. I love talking to people. I love understanding them.

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Then don't, don't mind my asking why the career switch then if you love that job.

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Well, that's why your question, right? Full human potential, but I realized that what else can I do?

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Because one day when I actually woke up literally, um, I was doing relatively well in my life. Okay.

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Okay. Okay. But I just feel something is missing. Okay. Um, and I just cannot pinpoint and literally

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one day when I actually woke up looking at the mirror, I actually saw like a candle as a reflection.

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Okay. Was that figuratively speaking or did you feel or sense something? No, no, no, seriously,

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like it was a flash. No. So intuitively I started to ask myself, you know, it's just like a candle

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burning. Okay. Am I burning my life away? Okay. Yeah. So, and I started because even though I love

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my job, but like I said, there is this, um, you know, subtle emptiness within me. Okay. I love my

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family. Right. Again, again, something is missing and I really cannot pinpoint what is it. Okay.

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Yeah. Um, and I didn't know it was fulfillment. Wow. You know, that word, man, that word, that word.

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She haunts me Dr. Geraldine Tan. When I had her here and we did a long, long, sorry, cut short,

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you can watch the episode from season two. And I asked her what constitutes happiness.

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And she said, and I said, there's so many times over so many episodes. And it seems to me that I

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always have to keep recounting that conversation. I have over because people seem to be saying the

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same thing. And it means you've been, you've been right, Jerry. Um, and the word you just used,

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happiness is having found fulfillment. You know, and every time I hear someone say that to me,

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I somehow feel envious, man. Because I think it's a very big word. Well, I didn't know that.

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but something is missing. I didn't know. It's only after I started this spiritual journey of

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self-realization that I understood it was actually fulfillment that was missing. Okay. Let me, wait,

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wait, wait, wait, wait, sorry. I have to keep stopping you, man. Because you know, when you say

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certain things and when any of my guests say certain things, and certain words pop up, like

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what you just said, spiritual. You don't mean that from a religious perspective, do you?

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right? Okay. It is prior to this current new age. Okay. The religion is actually educating people

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about God and people back then, okay, the conscious level is still not so ready yet.

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They are seeking God externally, somewhat. Okay. Idealization or learning from somebody,

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something. Okay. Spirituality is going within and seeking God from within.

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So it is a complete opposite. Okay. Okay. So spirituality is literally awakening and

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finding that inner God or that inner guru or teacher. Okay. I will not press that one

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particular point before we move on to the next, I would tend to disagree with that. I would think

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that finding spiritually, I mean, even in the religion or any faith, it is really a lot of

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self-reflection as well. There's a lot of reflective things that we do. I'm Catholic, so I'm saying

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that. Yeah. However, that being said, I think what I get what you mean. The realization,

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you know. That's why I'm curious because when you were in your HR job and you loved that job,

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I was in 18 years. Wow. You mean you made the switch for 18 years already?

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when I was 35. So, and then I branched into full-time wellness about seven years later.

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an instant switch. But at 35, when you decided to make that switch, I'm pretty sure that there were

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responsibilities, you know. There were financial responsibilities, children to raise, for instance.

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I'm sure, right? So let me just share, you know, that's how it got me into this journey. So,

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earlier on, you mentioned that you are very sceptic, you know. No, no, no, no, no, no. Not very sceptical.

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but not everything. Okay, sorry. So I'm not entirely sceptical. Okay, sorry about that. So,

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I was actually quite a psychic as a child. Okay, now that's interesting now. My ears are pricking

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up under my cans. So as a child, I tend to see things. I tend to see things beyond what the

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physical could see. So what you cannot see beyond the physical, it's what we call metaphysical.

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Metaphysical. Okay. That's right. So I didn't, so I don't know who to turn to and who to talk to as

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a child. So when I start seeing things, then I, when I actually give feedback to my mom, for example,

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so I would have prophetic dreams about things happening to family members that they will

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actually fall sick or go to the hospital or even death. Okay. So, but when I actually said that to

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my parents, they would say, Hey, you know, like, don't talk about this, you know, this is a taboo.

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like deja vu scenes, you know, when things happen, events happen, I would have this, Oh,

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I thought I dream of this. I thought I saw this in my dream or there are flashbacks.

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So you've been having this since you were a child. Yes. But so it was actually shut down. I didn't

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actually know what to do with it because there was no one else I could talk to. Right. And

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our family is not particularly religious, although, you know, my grandparents are like just

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Taoist or, you know, they go to like temples, but we don't have a specific discipline or a practice

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or a faith or a ritual. That's right. So fast forward, you know, in my young adult up to the

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teenagers time, I was actually dreaming of world events. So I was dreaming world like,

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um, events like tsunamis or even earthquake way before the event happened. Oh my goodness. I've

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got Singapore's version of Nostradamus. No, in fact, no, I was actually, and I didn't know because

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when I actually like hear from the news and I thought, Hey, didn't I had that dream like two

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weeks ago? So it's always like two weeks before the world event happened. Right. And again, I just

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kept quiet. So, so, so how frequently do you actually have these? Sporadic. It's sporadic,

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right? It's sporadic. So it's not something that I would actually predict or think of. No. So it

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just comes sporadically, which is like, I don't exactly because we are not exposed to any religion

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studies. So I don't know what was that. Deja vu. Like for instance, I think, don't you think that

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quite a lot of us, now I know what you mean by the full human potential. Um, now I get it. I'm just

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about to tell you, I mean, some of us, I'm, or most people actually would have a certain amount of

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intuition. Yes. Is that the right word to use? Intuition? Absolutely. Like for example, I can

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never forget this one. Two things. To me, it's songs. Let me share this with you. Songs. Yeah.

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Yeah. For example, if you remember, well, Potato Head, Rick Astley and his song, Together Forever.

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I heard the song in my head a couple of days before it came out to the public sphere. Right.

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And then the song about, uh, uh, what is the title of the song? Make it loud, make it clear.

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I still recall the words. I still recall the morning. I can't remember the title of the song.

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When my father passed away, um, I didn't have the feeling, no, of the things I had to say.

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So when that song came out, right, it, I heard it in my head and it happened just after my,

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I lost my dad. Uh, and that time, uh, The Living Years, that's the title of the song, The Living

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Years. So for me, it's that, it's these things. It's music, it's songs that I hear. I can wake up

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in the morning with a tune in my head. Right. You know, and that tune, somehow I hear it again

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the day itself or the next day it would just pop out. But don't you think every one of us have

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that intuition? This is some kind of intuitive, uh, if you will, intuitive sense. Absolutely. And

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later on, when I start go into deeper studies, I realized I was tapping into the collective or

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what we call the universal consciousness. So we have a different level of conscious state of mind.

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So when you actually go beyond the Delta state, that is the collective consciousness.

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Right. Yeah. Okay. You know, I have another vertical that we call, uh, UFO Reveal Asia.

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I am the only UFO, uh, show in Asia and in the English medium because it covers a topic.

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Okay. Tough. And, and there is, there is a group in the U S led by this guy, this, um, this, uh,

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this doctor named Dr. Steven Greer. Okay. Uh, and he led this close encounters five group and this

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collective consciousness, right? They gather them in the desert and then they start omning.

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And then things started coming, appearing in the sky. Wow. Yeah. And it was covered on Netflix,

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by the way. Okay. So we talk about collective consciousness that comes to mind, but I know

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where you're going to go with this. You can tell me about the different states of consciousness

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from the alpha to the beta to the theta to the Delta states. Right. Yeah. So, okay. We'll talk

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about that later on. Let's get back to you now again. So you left your job. You felt that you've

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got this, always had this gift. Let me just share with you. It always, it actually started with,

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you know, Deepa Chopra says that, um, you know, in all, uh, change, uh, is presided, uh, by some

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chaos. Okay. Yeah. So again, so when I actually saw the scene of the candle, I actually start

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asking myself, what exactly is the purpose of life? Because at 35, I'm already a mother of one. Um,

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and I, uh, was doing relatively well in my career. Yeah. And things are just very stable at home.

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Okay. So one fine day, uh, and again, overnight, okay. Everything collapsed and I lost everything.

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Oh dear. Yes. So that was actually what happened. So, um, you know, I was separated from, uh, 15

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years of marriage. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah. Not at all. Uh, it not turned out to be the most

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beautiful thing in my life. Yeah. I'll tell you why. Um, and then the, my father, uh, had a heart

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attack as a result of that separation. At that time. At that time. He actually left, so, uh,

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one month right after my ex-husband left us. Okay. And I lost all the money as well, all the life

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savings. Okay. And at that time, um, I also had some career struggles. Okay. I was head hunted

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into a new job place, um, to set up a new team. And, uh, there were some management changes and

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then I was actually left alone in a new environment, in a new job. So basically you,

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you were kind of brought into some place and you were stranded. Kind of. Kind of. So because at the

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personal front, I was actually met with all these changes. Yeah. And then at the same time, I was in

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a new environment. Yeah. Yeah. So all of the three, those were in fact, my three main pillars of my

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life because my dad is my emotional mentor. Yeah. Yeah. So, and, um, and I lost everything overnight.

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Hang on a second. Your dad, how did he do? Is he okay? Um, so he was actually a, um,

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dialysis patient for over 20 years. I was supporting him, uh, you know, financially.

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After the heart attack, was he, did he recover? No, no, no, he died. He died from the heart attack.

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So that's why I said that, you know, there was a separation, there was death. Yeah. And money lost

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and, uh, career challenges at that moment. Yeah. Um, and then I was, you know,

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How old was your, were you, one, one, one kid? My kid was 10 years old then. Right now she's 26.

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Okay. I have a 26 years daughter. All right. All right. That's cool. Okay. Okay. Yeah. But at that

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time, my goodness, turmoil. Yeah. Turmoil, turmoil. So, um, again, I was actually, um,

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devastated. Okay. Okay. And, uh, I don't allow myself to actually go into depression. Okay.

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Okay. So the only way to describe it was every part of me was in pain. I set my hair.

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So I was going to, so I lost a lot of weight. I, you know, it got manifested into a lot of physical

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symptoms. Okay. And then I went to, um, you know, Western doctors just to get some pain killers.

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And after that, I realized that it was just trying to fix my symptom. Then I go to a TCM doctor.

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And that's when the TCM doctor very kindly told me that what I need is actually emotional healing.

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Right. I told, um, our dear friend, Dr. Alison Tay, back then, you know, she was still my colleague

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and she actually told me, um, about meditation, about alternative, you know, um, medical, uh,

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you know, meditation. And that's when I actually got into, uh, interested in holistic alternative

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healing. Okay. And then I was thinking at the site, I said that all this thing happened too

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drastically, too fast. And I have no logic reason to all the irrational things that was happening

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because the separation was just very illogical. I didn't see it coming at all. Okay. Okay. Um,

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but you know, backtrack a little the night before my wedding, okay. 15 years ago, before I got married

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to this, uh, my ex-husband, there was a voice that says, you're going to, uh, divorce this man.

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I said, why did you only tell me now? Tomorrow is the wedding and you're telling me now. Right. Yeah.

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So you hear this voice. I hear a voice, like, like literally a voice. And I don't know what that

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voice. In your ear. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And, and it was a very, it's not a scary voice. Yeah. It was

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a very solemn and a very deep, warm voice that tell me you are going to divorce this man. So I

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was, throughout the marriage, I was very careful. I was very watchful because it was almost like a

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warning for me. Okay. So our relationship were good. Very good. So when, yeah. This is really a shot

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out of the blue. Yes. It was out of the blue. Very shocked. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um, well, I'm so sorry

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to hear all this. No, not at all. Thank you for sharing with me. Yeah. But, um, that actually, um,

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give me the greatest strength. In fact, so overnight, so as I told you by 35, I could

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literally retire by 40 because that was our plan just to share how well, uh, in my head, my, my

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milestone, I thought I can retire by 40 and we will go around the world to tour. Because you guys were

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financially going to be very independent. Very. Okay. Very. Yeah. We have no debt. I had no debt

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at 35, but overnight I lost everything, including my life savings. So it was, um, yeah.

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So that got me started in, um. So you were looking for, you were looking for relief. I was looking to,

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um, get myself back. So when things collect for a relief, to recover, to recover basically. Yeah.

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Okay. Yeah. So from the trauma, because that is really my first ever. Okay. So when I was 14,

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when my dad fall sick, that was my first trauma. Right. But again, in every trauma, there was

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always a voice within me that says, this is going to make you stronger. And it is this voice that

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kept me going. So again, when this cathartic event happened to me at 35, I told myself,

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this is going to be stronger. You mentioned about the song earlier on. And interestingly,

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when this trauma happened, a song came up. You raise me up. I have never heard, I mean, like

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regularly. Yes. And the song keep playing in my mind. You raise me up. So it was the song that

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actually say, okay, just intuitively, I couldn't explain that. Right. And I just know that things

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happen for a reason and I need to know why. So a part of me, the resilient part of me, so there were,

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there were split parts of me at that moment. One moment I was really distraught, like really

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speechless. It took me, I thought I planned my life well. I thought I was very hardworking. Yeah.

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I do things the right way. I was doing a lot of charity. You know, when my life was going well.

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All the well laid out plans just didn't turn out to be well laid out somehow. And I didn't plan for

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this divorce. So, but when it happened, intuitively, I just thought, okay, this voice that was telling

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me 15 years ago, this has happened now. Okay. Yeah. So, long story short, I began to actually,

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the first stop was actually a past life regression because I thought it may not be this life. It could

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be karma from a previous life that got me started. Okay. Past life regression. Okay. Okay. Okay.

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Everybody, just in case you all don't know, for those of you who really don't know, I will tell

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you now and I will tell Shirley. Years and years and years ago, just to help myself, much like you,

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looking for some amount of healing, I attended a program and I came out certified, a master

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clinical hypnotherapist. Amazing. I do understand some of the things to talk about,

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or we'll be talking about, but there's one thing I don't ever want to do because deep down in my

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heart and in my spirit, in my soul, I stay very faithful to my faith. And one thing I do not do

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is past life regression, but for the benefit of this episode, maybe you can tell all of our

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listeners and viewers what that is. Well, in my experience, okay, not going into details,

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but in that short span of like two and a half hours with the therapist, I visited for past life

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because one of the things is that I truly believe that we are here to learn a lesson.

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And what exactly was the lesson? And I don't know. And when the therapist command to actually invite

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my spirit guide, again, I only know it intellectually, what a spirit guide is. I have no clue how it

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would look like. I actually saw the most beautiful thing that I've ever seen in light form.

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In light form, I mean, in light form. You're a spirit guide, basically. My spirit guide, but in light form.

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It's so beautiful. You just know it in your being that that is a spirit guide. So we communicated

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telepathically and the guide told me what exactly was the lesson. So it was the most

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transformative experience. It's a transformative spiritual experience for me that actually,

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you know, allowed me to see life in from a higher perspective. Okay. Yeah. Right. So I'm not gonna ask

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you because it's too private, I would suppose, about what these past lives were. But you've learned

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some things from these. That's right. So there were certain common patterns. So long story short,

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again, it is not a belief system. Right. Okay. Past life, there is a difference between past life

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regression and past life regression therapy. Okay. Past life regression is almost creating an awareness

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of things happening in a certain sequence. So for people who don't believe, you can actually say

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that it could be a subconscious mind making up some story. But the story line actually has a similar

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pattern to the things that are happening in your current life. And I'll tell people, how do you know

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whether it is from your, did you make it up or not? The difference is how you feel about it. But that

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would be something contentual, isn't it? I mean, it's reframing something that's occurred in the

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past, but it's in this life. Yes. So the people go with a, what is the presenting issue. Right. Okay.

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And then they go in to actually find their own answers. Right. So the story that we actually

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visited has got a similar story line. Okay. And then again, we may not be able to see this in our

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current life, but somehow it is repetitive. It is a repetitive pattern and you're not getting it.

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Right. You know, so it's almost like a student not learning the exam and you're coming back,

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you know, to retake your exam. So different classroom, same lesson. Right. But when you've

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discovered, you've discovered your lessons then. Yeah. Let's get back to your, your journey. Okay.

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You discovered the lessons you've learned through past life regression, hypnotherapy. Yes. Right.

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Under hypnosis, you've learned all that. Then you, then what happened after? Then I started

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understanding, okay, what exactly is the purpose? So I started this self-disco... Okay. Then what?

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I need to heal myself because I'm still crying, very emotional. Right. And a part of me says,

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okay, I need to stay strong for my mom and my daughter. And then I started learning meditation.

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Yeah. And again, fast forward at about close to a year, I was a different person. Right. I was,

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I became very calm and I was able to ride above my emotion and get my life back. And all the,

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throughout all these, throughout all of these, right, you know, having gone for past life

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regression and then, you know, that one year has gone by and then you got better and better and

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better. Right. Yes. Just in summary. Yeah. Were you working? Yes, I was. So I was working in the

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corporate. Still. And at the same time, yes. Yeah. I was working and I actually, as I actually

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continue to learn that meditation technique, connecting with my soul origin. And I actually

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got to align and so well with my purpose because I really become a different person.

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Oh boy. Okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay. What the fuck? Okay. Soul origin. What's that?

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Um, when I meditate, I actually connected to my higher self. So I got. Okay. Okay. Right. Um.

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No, no, no. I'm willing to listen, man. I'm willing to listen. Just, just explain to me.

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Yeah. So the meditation technique that I actually learned was actually Kundalini Reiki. Okay.

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So it's a form of meditation where we actually meditated to awaken, um, our, what we call the

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soul within us. Right. Yeah. So there was a lot of soul healing. Okay. Okay. In short, you know,

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just for simplicity. Where does this method come from? Uh, so this is discovered by a Danish

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meditation master. Right. Right. Olle Gabrielsen. Okay. So I learned from my teacher back then who

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learned from him. Right. So, and, uh, it was actually supposed to basically channel that

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energy through you. Um, and again, to find your soul, to awaken your soul. So that was the beginning

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of my awakening journey. Okay. Okay. So one year down the line, I was literally transformed quite

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relatively from, from where I was. Okay. Because the past life regression helped me understand

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what was my purpose. And then I said, how do I continue this journey? Okay. So this Kundalini

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Reiki, um, actually helped me, propelled me, um, and manage my emotion and my state of mind.

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Okay. What it does is very practical. It keeps me calm. It keeps me clear headed what I needed to

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do. Okay. And within this one year, I started learning again, trying to get myself healed in

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different modality. And I was interested in the past life regression because it really got me

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intrigued because at that time there's something that, because I was skeptical, I relate to one of

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my character that I was in the past life regression to my daughter. And I didn't know that she actually

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Googled, she Googled the character and told me, mom, I know who you are. I know your name.

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I know you were in this era. I was like, how did you know? And when I read the character in Wikipedia,

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yeah, it was a Qing dynasty princess. Wow. And the storyline was exactly what I saw. And she,

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because there's no way, because she's only giving, I'm only giving her certain salient points and

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she actually Googled based on that. And she found it. So there seems to be some uncanny coincidence,

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isn't it? Yeah. So that got me actually really intrigued. And then that was how I actually went

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to study further. And I said, I need to know more. I need to investigate more. So for me, I'm always

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very curious, even though I am what you call intuitive, but I also have a very logical mind

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and I always want to find logical answers. So while I was in the corporate, I started to learn,

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to learn, to learn more on the side. In fact, it is purely earlier on just to help myself.

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Okay. You started off, you started off the blogs looking for something to heal you.

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Then you, then you have to, you've discovered that, hey, it's really helping me. Yes. So I

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want to learn more. That's right. Did you get, at that point, get into the stage where you say to

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yourself, I'm going to get more knowledge of this. And then you, then you throw yourself into more

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and more modalities of wellness, so to speak. Right. And upon which you've made that point,

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at that point that you decide that I am going to leave this corporate world and go into this area

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upon which I have just discovered that I am good at. Yes, I did. It was okay. What happened was that

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coincidentally, almost after a year, after I learned that Kundalini Reiki that helped me so

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much, my teacher says that she wants to specialize because there were two school of Reiki, one

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Kundalini and one UC Reiki. And she said, okay, I'm going to give up teaching Kundalini Reiki.

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So she asked among her students who is willing to take this up. And I just raised my hand

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without knowing like what that means, because in my heart, I just feel there was a very strong,

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compelling reason. I said, if this can actually help me so much, I am going to help others with

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this too. And I didn't think of doing it as a full time, because to me, a logical next step is to

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actually feed myself first. Yeah. Okay. And so, but one year later, I started teaching that. And

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my first experience of teaching that class, I was really so amazed because when I was at the,

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I did know how to teach to be honest. But when I actually sat down, there was this inner knowing

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that flow down that says, I'm here for this. Like this is my purpose. Like there was an inner knowing

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that like I'm born to do this, not in an egoistic way. Sure, sure. But like I'm here. There was an

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inner knowing that says, I am here for this. You just felt that this is where I belong. This is

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where I belong. This is what I'm meant to do. Exactly. Where I'm meant to be. It felt like the real me.

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Okay. But it feels very strange because I was still very curious. But it felt right. It felt right. And

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for the first time, I felt fulfilled. Okay. And then from that point in your life, you decided

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that I'm going to plan a day, a point in this journey where I'm going to leave my corporate job.

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Yes. Okay. Give my middle finger to the bosses. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

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You're so nice. Sometimes when I get a little mischievous, I feel quite bad. Sorry about that.

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But anyway, give the middle finger to the bosses. And then after that, leave the job and go to

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something that you finally found fulfillment in, which is this. Exactly. Okay. When you started

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doing these classes, when you were teaching these classes, when you first started, my curiosity is

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this. Right now, congratulations on the opening of your new wellness center. Thank you. For

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redefine wellness. Thank you. Hey Kai, can we just play that for a bit, please? They've just opened,

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ladies and gentlemen, on the eighth of March, which is just like good grief. That was two days ago,

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right? Two days ago.

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Now, the reason why I'm showing this video is because I've got a question to ask.

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Yes. Is this meant just for women? Sorry? Is this center and redefine wellness meant just for ladies?

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No. But you said this is feminine energy. Well, we have both feminine and masculine energy in us,

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both men and women. And to be honest, when I first started, to be honest, my classes is about 90%

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women, 10% men. Okay. But now, it is 50-50. Okay. Yeah. So why? Because the women feel after the

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transformation, they get their spouses in. So you're saying someone like me, for example,

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I come to you, you're like, Chris, you got to get in touch with your feminine side. Of course. You're

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shitting me. No. Look at me, man. Come on. Do you think, do you think I'm going to go find that?

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But first, what's your feminine side? Chris, when you are teaching, you are nurturing and that is

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the feminine side. Oh, that's how, that's what you mean. Exactly. Okay. So, so, okay. All my friends

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who are male, there are teachers in schools and you are very much in touch with your feminine side.

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Okay. I'm not making fun of you. I am. I am. I'm only kidding. I'm only kidding. So, okay. So that

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was all you meant. So basically you're saying that even all genders, men included, come in there,

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find, get in touch with your feminine side. But why? Why do you specify specifically that it is

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about discovering the feminine energy? Because the feminine energy is the creative part of yourself.

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Yeah. Creative. Creative. Creative. I am a creative guy. Exactly. So you have a lot of

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feminine energy. So when you're creative, you're intuitive, that is the femininity that we're

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talking about. The next time I shall wear a wig. Okay. No, I'm not belittling how powerful women

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are. Don't get me wrong. International women's ages went past and no way am I saying that. Yeah.

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But looking at myself, hmm, really? I mean, all this time, all these years has been my feminine

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energy. Yes. All right. All right. All right. So when you started into this, you became a business

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for you. Was it a job first that it became a business or? No. So in fact, it was a transition.

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So again, it took me seven years. Okay. But again, I, when I lost everything, I actually

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told myself, so after I doubled into all of that, I started feeling that this is my calling. Right.

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For this life. So how do I actually fulfill that? And when I was actually looking at it, I said,

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okay, so how do I get to onto this path in the shortest possible time? Okay. So I need to get my

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financial, uh, you know, stable. So I set myself a financial goal for five years. Right. And I said,

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regardless of what, um, this is the amount five years later, once I achieve, I'm going to switch

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and I achieved the goal in four years. Okay. And, and, and when you achieved that goal, you meant

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that you became that person, you became that person you set out to be in this field. So for the five

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years I was, I actually left the corporate and set up my own, uh, executive search company. So you

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didn't go work for someone, you actually started a business. Uh, I started executive search company

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on my own. Executive search. Okay. That's right. Yeah. The headhunting consultancy. Yeah. Yeah.

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Um, and then by the side, so that I could have the flexibility of time to actually harness my

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skills in healing. Wow. Yeah. So that was the intention. So the transition time was like seven

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years. So it was actually quite a long time. And you no longer do executive search. No. So when I

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set up my first center, um, seven years ago, um, I actually stopped taking on the consultancy. So I,

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when I was doing half, half, you know, I always used to say that the day job fits me and the night

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job fulfills me. Yeah. Till the time I actually, uh, are able to transition and my passion is able

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to pay my bills. Right. Yeah. So back then I was actually doing healing work from home. You must

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be so tired. I mean, especially at that time, man, you know, doing that job in a day because

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it's a job, but loving what you do at night because it is something that makes me whole.

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Yes. It must be so damn tiring. Right. Anyway, the, the, I think the wonderful part is, is that

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your company is a recipient for the 2022 SME award. Yes. Right. Yes. And congratulations for that. I

375
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know I'm like a two years too late, but it's the first time we've met today. So congratulations

376
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anyways. Thank you, Chris. So yeah, I mean, great, man. I can just imagine the amount of hard work

377
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that's been put into all these. A lot of hard. Oh, for sure. For sure. My curiosity is this,

378
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with all of these that you told me, the services that you guys offer. Um, I mean,

379
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there's an interesting video I came across of you guys. Uh, Kai, can we play that one please?

380
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Oh, this, this, yeah, that one, that one. Let me bring the volume down a little bit. Let us lose

381
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our ears. Okay. Go right ahead, man. Regarding you through this next hour of sound healing

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meditation, all you need is just find your Zen again. And then after that, I'll wake you up

383
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and gently remind you of the QR code. Sounds absolutely amazing.

384
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I will use you through some breath work. So some parts of your body that used to be a little, uh,

385
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tight may actually intensify. What you need to do is to breathe into that body part and breathe out

386
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into the sound. Can I focus that on my lower back? Absolutely. Okay. So lie down and just breathe in.

387
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And exhale with a laugh. Inhale into the upper abdomen.

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And breathe it out. Everything else can wait. Okay, Kai, thank you. This is your time. Your

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time to get ready. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it.

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Everything else can wait. Okay, Kai, thank you. This is your time. Your space.

391
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:39,360
Now that thing is called, this is what, this is the stuff you have on my table today. Yes,

392
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the singing bowl. Yeah. And, and, and this, this, this is, these are called sound bowls.

393
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This is called a Tibetan singing bowls. Oh yeah. The human layers. How come I keep seeing

394
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everywhere I find online, it just calls these things a sound bowl. A sound bowl because it

395
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makes sound. But you're calling it, you're saying, but the actual name is that. The human layers.

396
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It's a, it's a Tibetan singing bowl. That's right. Okay. And it came, it's from, of course, Tibet in

397
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the Himalayas. And you learned this there. I learned from three different teachers. Okay. Yeah.

398
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But there's a interesting picture of you in the Himalayas. Yes. Right. And Kai, can we have that,

399
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those shots? There you go. I mean, I got to say though, I got to say though, those are great picks,

400
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man. The second one on the right, you see the aura from the, in the sky in the back. It's amazing.

401
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:42,080
Yeah. That was the sunrise. We were there like about 5 AM in the morning. So this is 5 AM.

402
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I mean, people take a look at that aura at the back of Shirley behind the mountains is amazing,

403
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:54,400
man. And you were sitting, please don't tell me you were sitting on a cliff. I was. The one,

404
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the picture on the left. Yes. Why the heck do you have to sit on the cliff and so right at the edge,

405
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:07,600
man? What a thrill of it. Okay, go, go, go. Because it was so, it was such a nice view. I couldn't

406
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miss it. You went, hello? It's like an inch away from the, you know, dropping off. Well, I was

407
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:20,080
always at my age. So what is this? Oh man, you're one of those adrenaline, you're one adrenaline junkie.

408
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,840
I mean, you're supposed to be doing the well this thing, but calm, you know, not adrenaline junkie.

409
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:32,000
That's because I'm calm. That's why I can do that. Not for... Okay, just tell me more. You had to go

410
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to the Himalayas. I mean, you had said you learned from three different people? Three different

411
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:41,920
teachers. Okay, but not all of them were from the Himalayas? Well, the first teacher was a Japanese.

412
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She learned from the different masters in Nepal. So at that time when time doesn't permit, so I

413
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actually learned from her. So she traveled the Himalayas and learned from different teachers.

414
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So I learned from her. And then my second teacher was an Indian. So he actually taught it in a very

415
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scientific way. Okay. Yeah. And then the third teacher, which, you know, I went to the Himalayas

416
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where I actually learned a very deep, profound way how to actually play it astrologically

417
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to align a person. So there are different ways you can actually play. You can play harmonically.

418
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You can actually play it also align the bows according to the person's astrological sign.

419
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,920
Okay. Hang on a sec. Let's talk about the astrological one. That one, did you learn,

420
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when you went to the Himalayas, when you went to Tibet, did you learn from a Buddhism

421
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lama or monk or was it just a person? No, he specialized in sound healing. He's a musician.

422
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:51,920
So it's not Tibetan Buddhism based? No, no, no, not at all. It's not a religion based therapy.

423
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:58,080
In fact... Interesting. Yeah. Sound therapy has been around for thousands of years. It's only in

424
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the seventies that scientists actually tried to research more on sound healing. Right. That this

425
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becomes popular. Okay. My only exposure to this singing bowl was when I went for a massage

426
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in Lombok. Nice. It was a beautiful resort. And, you know, of course, your usual massage bed

427
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:29,280
with a hole in it for your face to go in and she put the bowl right there and she went,

428
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yeah. And for me, I enjoyed it, but the wife didn't. The wife told me that she really hated it.

429
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She said that the, I think for her, certain frequencies, she just hates. I noticed that

430
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about her. I mean, we've been married almost 25 years. So I can tell you that there are certain

431
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frequencies she just cannot accept. Right. It makes you drive her up the wall, you know? But for me,

432
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I'm okay because I'm quite all around it when it comes to sound and music. Right. So I kind of

433
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enjoyed it. As a matter of fact, I think it did put me to sleep for a bit. But then again,

434
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no one ever explained to me the benefits of the singing bowl. Now that you've got it here,

435
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:24,320
hey, it's all yours, man. Give me some music. Okay. So different sound bowl have a different

436
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:31,520
frequency. Right. Like what you have just shared. So, and it create actually a different effect.

437
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,800
Tell me how does this sound for you? Bob Marley.

438
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:45,360
Hey, I shot cherries. Okay. And this sound, how do you feel?

439
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:54,320
Jimi Hendrix. Okay. Okay. I'm only kidding. I'm only kidding. You just do me a favor.

440
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,960
Hit that one again. Hit that one again. Hit the first one again. Okay.

441
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:06,160
When, what am I supposed to feel? So when you listen, you don't only listen with your

442
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ears, but for sound healing, you listen with your entire being, listen with your body.

443
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,440
I can just tell you what I feel. Sure. And the only thing I can tell you how I can describe it

444
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to you is that it's church bells. Say that again? It's like church bells. I love church bells.

445
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,000
I see. I love church bells. So what does church bells do to you? What does the sound do to you?

446
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:36,240
Makes me feel happy, safe, calm. Excellent. Yeah. So this is the tone

447
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,280
that will actually bring you calmness. What about this? Try this.

448
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:49,680
No, man. What does it do to you? How do you feel?

449
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:57,440
Scary. Scary. Interesting. Okay. Let me try one more time. Okay. With the mallet.

450
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:09,760
No, man. It's just feels like doom and gloom. I don't like it at all. You don't like it at all.

451
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,840
See? So different frequency does different things for different people.

452
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:21,120
No. The can's on, right? I mean, in the mic picking it up, it's,

453
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,280
no, I do not like it. You don't like it. No, not at all, man. No.

454
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Because there is a resonance that this sound relates to the church bell that you like.

455
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:38,880
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So your mind actually connects with the familiarity and it calms you.

456
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:44,560
Yeah, it does. For something, like I said, for people who are not used to sound, this is something

457
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:50,000
very foreign to them and it might trigger something within them. That, you know.

458
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That one makes me feel like the pit in my stomach. It feels like this impending doom

459
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:07,200
that there is something standing behind me. Really? That kind of feeling. Yeah.

460
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:14,960
Okay. So this bowl, the frequency of this bowl actually opens up your consciousness.

461
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:22,640
Okay. So it helps with focus. It helps with focus, technically.

462
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:28,560
So this brings on calmness. This is the tone for calmness.

463
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,080
Please, please knock that one more time for me. Please, the calm one, the small one.

464
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,920
The calm one? Sure. Sorry.

465
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:42,880
Not at all. I'll be very serious with you. I don't know whether the viewers and listeners

466
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is going to be so skeptical, cynical, or what about the same, man. I ask you to hit that one

467
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:56,160
again for me because this one is still sitting with me, man. It's still sitting with me.

468
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,040
It's still sitting with you. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

469
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,200
It's not a good thing. Okay.

470
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,200
Then it's sitting with me. That's okay.

471
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:08,160
We just have to... Yeah.

472
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,240
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

473
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:15,840
Wow. Wow. So what happens if you come across someone, have you ever come across someone like me

474
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who would go, no, surely this doesn't work. Have you ever come across people like me?

475
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:21,840
Of course. Okay.

476
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,120
Of course, not everyone would resonate with sound. Yeah.

477
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,480
But this is generally due for people actually, besides calming them down.

478
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:36,560
Well, a lot of my students actually reported that they sleep better. Yeah. And again, people come,

479
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,320
like there was a lady who particularly came because she was recommended by her daughter.

480
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,880
She couldn't bend her knees. She was showing me before the class.

481
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,040
She couldn't bend her knees. Bend her knees. Yes.

482
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,960
Right. And after that one session,

483
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:56,960
she was squatting in front of me and showing me that the pain was completely gone.

484
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,920
Mm-hmm. Yeah. So this is very good for...

485
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,800
Reusing this. Yes. For pain relief, for headache,

486
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,400
for migraine. Right.

487
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:10,160
Yeah. So for a peace of mind or even to gain clarity.

488
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:18,160
Okay. So because what it does is that it actually helps to clear and release certain emotions.

489
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:24,960
Energy blockages. So there are only two types of energy block. Either it is a habitual block where

490
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:31,040
you're probably sitting for too long or you're in a certain position. So the energy gets stagnated.

491
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:37,040
Okay. So we can actually move that energy through vibration or certain pain, certain, especially

492
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:44,560
chronic pain is actually due to stuck emotion that was actually... Yeah. So either way, sound vibration

493
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:51,760
actually helps to move this energy. Where did this theory come from? If you don't mind my asking.

494
00:54:51,760 --> 00:55:00,800
No, because sound actually works four times faster in water than through air. So our body is 70%

495
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,280
water. Right.

496
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:10,480
So with that sound frequency, it actually starts to move the stagnant energy, which is why,

497
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:15,280
you know, whenever that is playing, there is an energy block. So once we actually clear the

498
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,680
energy block, there's no pain. Hey, you know something, what you just said to me. It's like

499
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:27,760
people said about snowflakes and when you have certain music being played, nice music,

500
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,480
the snowflakes that fall in, they're all unique in their own way, but then microscopically, right?

501
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,640
Yes. The design of each flake is beautiful. Yes.

502
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:42,080
But when you have lousy, brackish music is being played, then the snowflake looks awful.

503
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,240
That's right. So we're talking about vibration.

504
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:45,680
Vibration. Yeah.

505
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:51,600
Hey, Kai, Kai, hey, you listening to this man? It's like a UFO shows, man. We're just talking

506
00:55:51,600 --> 00:56:00,960
about this in our Euphorist series, you know, about vibrations and signal frequencies, you know,

507
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:06,960
that is interdimensional, blah, blah, blah. And here I have this person sitting with me in my studio

508
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,040
talking to me about wellness, telling me about vibrations. Yeah.

509
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,800
Vibrations.

510
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:19,280
Yeah. So, okay. So sound frequency has got healing properties.

511
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:20,560
That's right. To sum it up.

512
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,480
That's right. But I also realize that you've got some bottles on my table there.

513
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,360
Well, these are essential oils.

514
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,440
Can we put them right here so that we can take... Yeah, there you go.

515
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,760
Sure. Okay. There you go.

516
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,640
Okay. Kai, do we get this guy on camera? We do, right?

517
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,880
No. No? Okay. Hang on a sec.

518
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:48,080
Let me just move this. Have we got this now? Here you go. Yay! Here, here, here. Yeah, there you go.

519
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:53,520
Right. Okay. Let me just put this on here. Ah, right. Okay.

520
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,840
Okay. So right at the back. Yeah. Right here.

521
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,280
That will work. Yeah. Okay. That's cool. Okay. Cool. Yeah.

522
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,720
Right. So people can see what's that. So these are essential oils.

523
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,720
Essential oils. We all know about essential oils.

524
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:10,240
Maybe walk into the malls. You see certain brands there.

525
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:13,600
We'll not mention those names. And, hey, we go in.

526
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:19,040
We say, first thing I notice about these places, man, if I can just tell you by observation, yeah.

527
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,480
If you walked into my studio, I don't know whether you smelt it first hand.

528
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:30,080
I notice most of these places tend to just, you know, put on the lemongrass.

529
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,640
Yes. It's always lemongrass.

530
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:33,600
You know why? Why?

531
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:38,320
Lemongrass relaxes you. Yeah. I love it, man.

532
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,840
Exactly. So when you're relaxed, you're happy. Your heart is open.

533
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:43,440
And you want to spend.

534
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:51,520
Okay. So tell me about this. I mean, now we know sound. Now we're going to talk about sense.

535
00:57:51,520 --> 00:58:02,720
Sense. Yeah. So, you know, when the mall, the scent basically, sound and scent are the most,

536
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:08,880
what we call, common to most people. Yeah.

537
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,600
Okay. Because it's universal. Yeah.

538
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,000
Regardless of any religion. Yeah.

539
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:20,720
And again, scent can actually, because it is also using the frequency and vibration of nature.

540
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,480
Essential oil is an extract of the different parts of the plants. Yeah.

541
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:31,760
Exactly. And anything that is in nature has a high frequency and vibration.

542
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,240
So again, these are what we call, strictly speaking, they are vibrational medicine

543
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:40,400
to raise your vibration. So different emotion has a certain frequency.

544
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:46,400
Okay. And so emotions such as fear, anxiety, depression carries a lower frequency.

545
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:52,400
So how do you, in the very shortest period of time, bring up a person's frequency?

546
00:58:52,400 --> 00:59:00,000
It's through the senses. Senses and sound, auditory, all this is connected to your subconscious mind.

547
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,800
And the part of your mind, okay, is connected to your emotion.

548
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,040
Old factory. Old factory.

549
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:11,360
That's right. The old factory and also your hypothalamus that's connected to your emotion.

550
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:19,040
So scent can bring up memories. It can also uplift you. It can also calm you down.

551
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:27,760
So that's why I actually use essential oil as part of the therapy as an add-on to actually complement

552
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:33,440
the therapeutic. So you can basically use sound and scent in one therapy session.

553
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,160
Sound and scent. Depending on what an individual needs actually.

554
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:41,120
Yeah, yeah, of course. Yes. So I engage all the five senses or even the six senses.

555
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:46,160
Wait, six? Okay, wait. Gussitore, how about food, man?

556
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:55,840
Well, the sensation of perhaps the tactile, when we talk about the taste, sometimes they can scent,

557
00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:00,640
they can smell it through the essential oils. So basically you're saying that whatever we smell,

558
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,840
we can also have a sense of taste about it. Exactly.

559
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:08,000
So we're not talking about directly having some therapy with ingesting food.

560
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,840
I mean, chocolate's help. Yeah.

561
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,240
Come on. I mean.

562
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:18,320
Yeah. It has a high content of endorphins so it keeps you happy.

563
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,480
Yeah. I mean, what the hell, right? I mean, whoa. Yeah. Okay. So,

564
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:28,240
six sense. What's that six sense we're talking about?

565
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,120
Intuition, your inner vision. Oh my.

566
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:37,200
Yeah. Because that's what we call the metaphysical aspect. It goes beyond your five senses. So the

567
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:43,200
more we are able to engage our senses, the more we are able to heal.

568
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,040
Okay. Because the part where we hold our emotion,

569
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:57,600
it's also the part that actually manages our senses, our sensory functions. So,

570
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:05,360
senses actually bring you easier and guided you into that particular emotion.

571
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:13,600
Okay. Yeah. So when we're able to anchor into a specific emotion, then they can actually trigger

572
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:19,840
the imagery. And from there, the imagery, we can actually anchor them into the experience.

573
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,960
Right. And when people can anchor into the experience, it allows the emotional

574
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:33,440
catharsis to actually happen. And because in healing, until you feel it, you can't heal it.

575
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,760
So you're saying that it's like alcoholics anonymous. You have to first acknowledge and

576
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:44,160
admit that you have a problem. Find that problem, confront the problem, and then deal with the problem.

577
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:50,880
Is it something like that? The way you put it is, okay, so very similar. So be aware. So

578
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:56,800
be aware of what you want to heal. Okay. So again, if your life is going on well, you don't need

579
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:03,520
therapy. Right. Okay. So therapy is basically, there is an objective to it. You find that things

580
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:10,480
are not working, okay. And you're trying to find a logical answers to it, to bring your life back

581
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:16,400
on track. So we always go with like, what exactly is a therapeutic contract with a client?

582
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:23,520
Okay. Say I can't get to sleep, like for example. And so I help to first identify the root cause of

583
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:30,320
what is causing the insomnia. So sometimes there could be two or three aspects in the life that the

584
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:35,840
things are not working well. That's why it keeps the person awake at night. So I dive in directly

585
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:42,800
straight into those issues. Right. Yeah. And once the issue is resolved and they can find an answer,

586
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:47,680
a resolution to it. So first of all, when they come, I will always ask client, do you need clarity

587
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:54,160
or do you need resolution? So sometimes they just need clarity. Sometimes they say, okay, I need a

588
01:02:54,160 --> 01:03:00,560
resolution to a particular issue. Okay. And we will go on, you know, to take in more sessions with

589
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:10,480
them until they resolve that. Wow. Yes. Wow. Wow. Ancestral energy healing. What is that?

590
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:17,120
Basically people who don't believe in past life, we said that, so we do carry genes and DNA from

591
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:25,120
our ancestors. So sometimes certain images that we see could be due to an ancestral conditioning,

592
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:32,320
a belief system or a programming that actually exists in our DNA, which is causing the repeat

593
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:38,720
pattern from happening because our life is primarily driven by our belief. Our belief will

594
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,640
drive our habits. But it's a cultural thing. Don't you think so? I mean, isn't that more cultural

595
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:48,880
than anything else? If you come from a family, for example, and I've seen many of these,

596
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:58,480
I mean, it's just one example. If father's a gambler, grandfather's a gambler, father was also

597
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:04,560
a gambler, chances are you being a gambler is bloody high, right? It's a vicious cycle. And

598
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:11,760
someone throughout that down line have got to decide to break out of that cycle as an example.

599
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:19,440
So I wouldn't think that that's DNA. I think that would be something that is embedded into

600
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:24,480
a family's traditional culture or something. But again, then when you talk about ancestral healing,

601
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:33,920
we actually go back to, again, with no judgment, we go back to actually investigate what causes

602
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:39,600
the ancestors to even gamble. Oh, I see. So you're saying going to the root cause of the challenge

603
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:44,640
where how is it they started into these things? Exactly. So what could be the cause of them

604
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:51,120
getting into the habit? Exactly. Yeah. So for ancestral healing, people often come with

605
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:58,320
a medical condition. Okay. Yeah. So that's where we go into ancestral healing, where there is a

606
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:08,080
a repeat repetitive pattern of a cancer or a specific diseases. So what exactly is happening

607
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:14,640
in along the ancestral line that is causing this recurring disease to happen? So once the current

608
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:20,880
client understands that they will be able to reverse that for their next gen, for themselves,

609
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,880
and also for the generation. But surely based on what you've just said, you know,

610
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:30,160
haven't you had, have you had, I don't know whether you have, if you have, please be sure of us,

611
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:35,520
you know, where Western medicine and would have come and argued with you guys about something

612
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:43,280
like this, as much as I've heard also about the TCM sector, right? Western medicine would

613
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:49,120
think that they're almighty, of course, you know, and they would say that this is, you know, cancer,

614
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:58,240
diabetes, even stroke, hereditary nature, you know, passed down from the gene, you know. And,

615
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:06,640
and, but here your take is, is that, or your, your, your discipline, you know, believe that it's

616
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:14,560
what's the root cause when Western medicine might debunk it by saying that it is, it is hereditary,

617
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:20,080
you know. So, so it's not about anything else. So have you encountered anything like that when

618
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,480
these people come in, the naysayers come in and tell you that?

619
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:30,880
Well, they don't need to believe it. They, we just need to do it to actually prove it.

620
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:31,120
Right.

621
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:38,480
Yeah. So there is one example of this Indian guy. He specifically came to me and asked me for

622
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:47,360
asked me for hypnotherapy. Yeah. And his presenting condition is that he is diabetic. And because of

623
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:56,640
the diabetes, so he actually, one of his eye is actually blind, 90% blind. And he says that it is

624
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:04,560
basically one of the, there's a blood clot on the optic nerve. Yeah. And because of his

625
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:11,440
diabetic condition, he couldn't operate. The doctor couldn't operate on him. Yeah. So I actually use

626
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:19,360
the hypnotherapy technique to first identify why was there even a blood clot? Okay. Yeah. What

627
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:24,880
causes the blood clot? Okay. So the first two sessions, we actually identify there was an

628
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:30,800
emotion that actually caused the blood clot to happen. There was an emotional, it was a trauma.

629
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:36,240
Correct. So we went into the subconscious mind because your subconscious mind actually registers

630
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:43,440
everything. Right. Right. So we identified that that was a tool event during his childhood where

631
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:50,720
he had a fear. Right. Yeah. He was literally poking a pencil into his friend's eyes. Right. Okay. So

632
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:55,760
there was amount of guilt. There was amount of guilt. Yeah. And fear. Yeah. So that, and where

633
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:04,400
did he hold it? In his eyes. Yeah. So when we went through the session and clear that energy in print

634
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:11,920
for him, and then he actually, and of course, by the third session when he came, I actually asked

635
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:18,000
him, so he says, I actually saw an optician and he will actually drain, he said that there's no

636
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:24,480
medication for it. I have to go back to him every month to drain the blood clot. Right. So I actually

637
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:31,680
detailed and asked him exactly the procedure that the optician did for him. Right. And I actually

638
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:38,480
programmed it in his subconscious mind to program the blood clot, you know, to drain. So it's like

639
01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:43,520
self-healing. It's a self-healing. So the third session, so by the time we heal the root cause,

640
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:49,920
the third session, I actually programmed the mind to actually do self-healing. Yeah. And a month later,

641
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:56,080
he went back to the doctor. The doctor says the blood clot is gone. What did you do? Yeah. The

642
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:01,920
doctor was actually very surprised. So that was my first medical condition. And of course, there

643
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:08,720
are also a lot of phobia and unexplainable like non-medical conditions that I have actually helped

644
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:17,280
to resolve. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And in the case of, again, there were also people with more severe

645
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:23,440
diseases. In the case of cancer, we also helped to identify what exactly was the disease about.

646
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:30,560
Right. Yeah. Right. So that's all hypnotherapy. That's right. Upon which I'm very, I mean,

647
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:36,480
of course I understand well enough. Let's talk about family consolation. There are things here

648
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:42,160
that I don't get at all. So, and this is the last thing I'm going to ask you before we end the show.

649
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:52,720
So family consolation, what is that? Basically, how we constellate the different issue, okay?

650
01:09:54,080 --> 01:10:01,840
Where there is a field where we understand, okay, what exactly is the presenting issue,

651
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:10,640
let's say in the family, like in the case of an ancestral co-related issue. Yeah. So we will

652
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:19,760
constellate the disease and from the constellation, we will be able to find out what exactly is the

653
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:28,960
root cause of the disease. What do you mean by constellate? Sorry. Well, it is basically a

654
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:38,720
constellation of the family origin. Right. Okay. So we put up a different representative in a family,

655
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:47,280
let's say a presenting issue, let's say in a case of a medical condition. Right. Okay. Let's say a

656
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:51,760
disease that's actually going on, let's say diabetes. Sure. So we will constellate like,

657
01:10:52,640 --> 01:11:03,120
who exactly is the person having the disease. So we will have the person, individual people

658
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:09,360
to represent the disease, to represent the family member that is having the disease.

659
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:17,040
Okay. So when we actually constellate and we get different representative to represent

660
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:24,240
the particular character concerning either the disease of a family situation, and in that all

661
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:31,440
knowing field, the representative will start to feel and sense certain things and they will start

662
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:39,840
to articulate and the disease will start talking. So from there, we will understand where is the

663
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:48,640
origin of it coming from. And what is it? Okay. Wow. Wow. So once you're able to understand

664
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:56,080
and you discover the origin, what would usually the next steps be? Well, if it is a belief system,

665
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:04,880
we start changing the belief system. Okay. Right. Okay. So basically you can have different modalities

666
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:15,120
being used on a patient or a client to treat something, isn't it? It's not just one particular

667
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:22,240
disease. Yeah, we can constantly, yeah, exactly. So we are not modality focused, but we are client

668
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:30,240
focused. So when clients come to us, we will actually assess and based on what is the best

669
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:36,480
way forward to help them resolve the issues. Yeah. So from there, when they gain that clarity

670
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:42,720
and they say that, Hey, this is the issue, because usually these are all emotional related

671
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:50,480
issues that we couldn't resolve. The energy got stuck there through different generation.

672
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:57,040
And you see when trauma happen, we formulate certain belief system and that carry, you know,

673
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:01,200
it gets to carry down. You know why I'm smiling? Why? I'm smiling because it brings back memories

674
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:07,360
on my episode one of season two with Dr. Alison Tay. When I kept going, he said, what the hell is

675
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:13,360
this yin and yang man? Yeah. And this, this Chi thing, you know? You know, Chris is when something

676
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:18,800
gets blocked along the highway, they got a roadblock. And here you go, I have you now telling me,

677
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:25,680
you know, you got emotional blockage. I said, geez, I tell you, the more I do these shows, man.

678
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:32,560
Oh, wow. I'm not being skeptical. I'm not being cynical. I'm not making fun of you and what you

679
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,640
do. Don't get me the wrong way. No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh man. But, but you know, it just brings

680
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:41,120
back a lot of memories of people I've spoken to in so many similarities in so many different

681
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:48,480
disciplines. And it's quite interesting to be fair, you know, right. You're doing great. You've got

682
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:55,360
a new center coming up or came up, sorry, launched. It's just been a matter of two days. And you know,

683
01:13:55,360 --> 01:14:00,080
once again, congratulations for that. Thank you, Chris. And, and you know, you're doing great

684
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:05,200
because I mean, I mean, you've got lots of corporate clients as well, right? Yes. Yeah. And,

685
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:10,320
and so amazing to see that, you know, you, you did that switch. You have been through all that

686
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:17,760
trauma personally and build your way to where you are. I mean, basically, as far as I can,

687
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:24,800
I can basically feel, man, all that effort. And if you don't mind me asking, I think you and I,

688
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:32,400
we're about the same vintage. I'm not sure. I'm 54. Going to be. I'm way younger. You're way younger.

689
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:41,520
I'm 50. Okay. Well done. Stupid you, Chris. Okay. Right. Well, well, cool. Cool. Welcome to the big

690
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:48,480
five. Anyway. And yeah, you know, I mean, we're not that different in age. And, and I can just

691
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:56,000
feel all of that work, all of that pain and building your way where you are is an inspiration. Can you

692
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:02,960
just give, you know, what does Shoddy Tay have to say to anyone out there today working, being a

693
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:08,560
person who is formerly a headhunter, you know, and not doing what you do and doing great at it,

694
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:14,480
um, for anyone that's out there contemplating a mid-career change. What would your message be?

695
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:23,600
Just follow your heart, follow your passion. It will guide you the way. Okay. And before we end

696
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:28,400
the show, before we say goodbye, Shirley, what future plans are in store for Shoddy Tay?

697
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:37,760
To be honest, no plan. No plan is the best plan. Honestly, I did not plan for the second center.

698
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:46,400
Okay. Okay. Um, once you have no plan, because the planning is always from the mind,

699
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:55,440
then you allow the divine to work through you. Wow. Okay. For a bigger plan, because the divine

700
01:15:55,440 --> 01:16:01,760
has a greater plan for you. So you're saying. So, and how do I get there? Again, it goes with

701
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:08,240
your passion because your heart knows the way. Okay. So basically in Chris Hansen's speak, it is

702
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:19,520
again, in Chris Hansen's speech would be, um, you know what? Don't think fuck it. Go and do yes.

703
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:28,640
Just do it because you know what? You only live once. Yeah, man. And again, what is there to lose?

704
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:37,600
Yeah. Right. I mean, a lot to lose. But you only live once. You only live once. And if you don't

705
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:42,240
do it now, when the hell are you going to do it? If it has to be me, it's got to be me. Right.

706
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:49,760
Exactly. So when I left my, um, my career, uh, corporate career again, I was doing well. Yeah.

707
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:55,760
I tell myself what is there to lose? I just try one year. If it doesn't work, I can always come back.

708
01:16:55,760 --> 01:17:02,400
Wow. It's a coming back part that, that's painful, isn't it? I mean, thinking about if it doesn't

709
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:08,720
work, then I go back to this or go back to what I was. Well, that's why I said that you have to

710
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:17,440
find something that is so, you're so passionate about that the passion overrides your fear. Right.

711
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:26,800
Because I truly believe because something just struck me when I got healed. What do you, what

712
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:34,480
is the meaning of healing? Healing means being full and complete again. So when you actually

713
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:41,040
experience that completeness, there's no turning back. And to be honest, when I first started my,

714
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:48,960
um, you know, I go into healing, I wasn't even earning as much as I was. So it wasn't the money

715
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:54,400
anymore. It wasn't the money. A lot of people considered because of practical reasons. Yeah.

716
01:17:54,400 --> 01:18:01,120
And again, that's why I said in my story, I use the shortest possible time to get my basic need

717
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:08,400
met first. So I actually do, did a logical, um, calculation. How much do I actually need? How much

718
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:15,760
is my safety net? How much is my buffer? You need to use your head first. Then your head and your

719
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:21,840
heart has to work in synchronicity because your heart knows the way. So again, I told you, I am a

720
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:31,840
logical person. So I said, okay, if again, fear is a good emotion to have. Okay. Okay. So keeps you

721
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:38,240
alive. It keeps you alive. Exactly. And that is again, we need to be able to pay attention to

722
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:44,400
the things that you do. Okay. I'll be loose. Right. Okay. So once that is taken care of, I did the

723
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:53,840
sum, then I said, all right, then the heart takes over. Okay. I hear you. I hear you. Uh, last

724
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:58,800
question, very, very last question. Throughout the time you've been, you started doing this,

725
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:04,960
don't you have, haven't you, have you come across people who would have seen this as mumbo jumbo?

726
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:10,240
No, my nickname, my daughter called me a white witch when I first started. And because of this,

727
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:16,480
I remembered that. And that's why I said, you just wait, you wait. And I actually told her that,

728
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:21,840
okay, because I want to actualize this. And that's why that was my motivation to set up my first

729
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:28,800
center. Okay. Yeah. So when I first set up, uh, you know, my center and I deliberately go into

730
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:35,520
corporate just to prove to them, my family members that, um, I am not mumbo jumbo,

731
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:42,080
because this stuff really works. And I'm able to actually contribute, uh, this, you know, learning

732
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:47,760
and share this in the corporate world. And if you can get into the corporate world again, this is

733
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:54,480
actually a testimony, uh, as much as close as I can get to actually showcase that this stuff work,

734
01:19:54,480 --> 01:19:58,880
because we teach it scientifically. And you've got the big boys out there, corporate clients who

735
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:05,120
actually use you guys. Yeah. Frequently enough. Very big one. Like, you know, so I'm going to do

736
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:13,360
you guys a favor. Really fine wellness. Here we go. If you guys need to get yourselves fixed,

737
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:18,960
is that the right way? Thank you so much. Not fit, fit you go into the gym, but you need to be

738
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:26,240
mentally and initially if you need to get fixed, if you need to get fixed, okay. You go to redefine

739
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:32,800
wellness. Not really fixed. If you want to be well, if you want to be emotionally, mentally,

740
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:38,320
spiritually well, come to us. No one needs to fix. I, I actually, but I really appreciate your

741
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:45,360
colleague, but I truly believe that people don't need fixing. People need to be understood and

742
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:49,680
people need to be loved. Okay. If you need to be loved, can we put that up again? Please, guys.

743
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:58,640
If you need to be loved, go to redefine wellness. They will redefine wellness for you. Uh, you can,

744
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:04,000
you can reach their contacts. All their surely's contacts are also there. So make sure you go down

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to redefine wellness and you walk out that place, a new person. Thank you so much. Chris, not at all.

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Yeah. And unequivocally, I want to state that this particular episode, it is not sponsored.

747
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I am not getting paid. So you're thinking that I'll give you the birdie. Yeah. Not happening. Uh,

748
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no, this is a, this is not a paid episode. It's not a sponsored episode. I invited Shirley Tay here

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and also because I, I tell you, because I think the subject is interesting and I think sometimes

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I just need to go a bit left field and take a look at, just be open a little bit and find out a

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little bit more, be curious. Okay. And why not? Why the hell not go down to redefine wellness and do

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something for you. And thank you Shirley for being on the show. Thank you so much, Chris, for inviting

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me. I'm so glad that you're here. I'm so glad you're enjoying what you do and I wish you all the

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very, very best. Thank you. All right, everybody. We are episode five, uh, for season three of the

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Chris Hansen conversation. Uh, the next couple of ones you'll find it will be transitioning very soon,

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uh, to another vertical and that would be our tribute to Singapore's music icons. Oh man,

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conversations have been riveting there. Yes, we have shot those already. So make sure that you

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catch those episodes. And again, this is Chris Hansen. I am going to go and feed myself with some

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good vibrations. Bye bye.