I tend to see things beyond what the physical could see. So it's what we call metaphysical.
Metaphysical.
That's right. I don't know who to turn to and who to talk to as a child. So when I start seeing
things, for example, so I would have prophetic dreams about things happening to family members
that they will actually fall sick or go to the hospital or even death.
Since we started chatting, Kai has been rolling the cameras already. We've already been recording.
Okay.
So, so you know, so it's easier for us to roll right in. Hi everybody and welcome back to the
Chris Hansen conversation. This is episode five and we are still having the I love my job as a
as the topic of the day. And you know, every time, and this has been going on for a bit,
we've been talking a lot about and hearing a lot about, especially out there in the news and
mainstream, about people taking risks, people taking or making mid-career changes, and the fear
of wanting to just step out of your comfort zone, shifting your paradigms and going into something
that you love and try to build something out of practically almost nothing. And that's the reason
why I have this show. I love my job on the Chris Hansen conversation. And you know, if you're one
of those out there thinking about making that move, this could just be the episode for you to
really watch because why? In my studio today, I have the me, someone who is a, wait for it,
wellness consultant. She was not always that. Let me tell you, we'll find out soon. She is also a
life coach, a yoga and meditation teacher. She's coached a significant number of people on the art
of self-awakening and realization, helping people achieve their physical, emotional, and mental
wellbeing and realizing their full human potential. Someone like me needs someone like her. And she is
also the co-founder of Redefine Wellness. Welcome to the studio, Shirley Tay. Thank you so much,
Chris, for your invitation and your very kind introduction. Not at all, not at all. And I want
to ask, I seem to always say that. I use that word so often. I want to ask. And that's the reason
why I'm here because I always like to ask things, ask people about things. In this whole thing that
I just read, realizing full the people, the person realizing the full human potential. Can you tell me
what's the definition of that? What do you mean by full human potential? Well, there are,
um, different aspects of us that we may not have fully realized. So for example, when I was a head
hunter, I thought that... Hang on a minute. So, okay, okay. Past life, past life. My immediate past
life, yeah. It's a head hunter. You were a head hunter. Yes. Right. Another one. Season two, I had
mutual friend of ours, right? Yes. A physician. You know, I don't... All right. Alison, I'm doing
you a favor. Screw those damn doctors, man. Dr. Alison Tay. That's why I will always call her that
Dr. Alison Tay. TCM or not, I don't care what the Western doctor is going to say. Screw it. I'm
saying it. So mutual friend of ours, she was also a head hunter. That's right. That's right. Yeah.
We met about, um, now more than, I think we know each other for more than 20 years now. So how is
it that head hunters are the ones that's willing or daring enough to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to
to make careers, careers, which is midlife? Yeah. Because we have the opportunity to meet people
from all walks of life, to hear the story and to actually see how they grow and make career
change and switches. And, um, and we just realized that, um, there is really no limit to one's
potential. Okay. So on that basis, I thought, so, um, I thought I was already talented in that
aspect of my life because, um, my, my specialization is actually in industrial. So everything, all the
industry, uh, from aerospace to zoology comes under, um, your, yes. Okay. And, um, so we have to
have to actually learn quite a bit about different industry. Okay. And I thought I loved my job back
then because I cannot imagine doing anything else. Okay. So you love that. I really love the job. I
love it because I love meeting people. Okay. I love talking to people. I love understanding them.
Then don't, don't mind my asking why the career switch then if you love that job.
Well, that's why your question, right? Full human potential, but I realized that what else can I do?
Because one day when I actually woke up literally, um, I was doing relatively well in my life. Okay.
Okay. Okay. But I just feel something is missing. Okay. Um, and I just cannot pinpoint and literally
one day when I actually woke up looking at the mirror, I actually saw like a candle as a reflection.
Okay. Was that figuratively speaking or did you feel or sense something? No, no, no, seriously,
like it was a flash. No. So intuitively I started to ask myself, you know, it's just like a candle
burning. Okay. Am I burning my life away? Okay. Yeah. So, and I started because even though I love
my job, but like I said, there is this, um, you know, subtle emptiness within me. Okay. I love my
family. Right. Again, again, something is missing and I really cannot pinpoint what is it. Okay.
Yeah. Um, and I didn't know it was fulfillment. Wow. You know, that word, man, that word, that word.
She haunts me Dr. Geraldine Tan. When I had her here and we did a long, long, sorry, cut short,
you can watch the episode from season two. And I asked her what constitutes happiness.
And she said, and I said, there's so many times over so many episodes. And it seems to me that I
always have to keep recounting that conversation. I have over because people seem to be saying the
same thing. And it means you've been, you've been right, Jerry. Um, and the word you just used,
happiness is having found fulfillment. You know, and every time I hear someone say that to me,
I somehow feel envious, man. Because I think it's a very big word. Well, I didn't know that.
Seriously. So back then I was just saying that something is missing. Everything is going on well,
but something is missing. I didn't know. It's only after I started this spiritual journey of
self-realization that I understood it was actually fulfillment that was missing. Okay. Let me, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait, sorry. I have to keep stopping you, man. Because you know, when you say
certain things and when any of my guests say certain things, and certain words pop up, like
what you just said, spiritual. You don't mean that from a religious perspective, do you?
No, I don't. Okay. So it's exactly the opposite. So traditionally when people talk about religion,
right? Okay. It is prior to this current new age. Okay. The religion is actually educating people
about God and people back then, okay, the conscious level is still not so ready yet.
They are seeking God externally, somewhat. Okay. Idealization or learning from somebody,
something. Okay. Spirituality is going within and seeking God from within.
So it is a complete opposite. Okay. Okay. So spirituality is literally awakening and
finding that inner God or that inner guru or teacher. Okay. I will not press that one
any further because I will have my debates with you about that. Just to have one say on this
particular point before we move on to the next, I would tend to disagree with that. I would think
that finding spiritually, I mean, even in the religion or any faith, it is really a lot of
self-reflection as well. There's a lot of reflective things that we do. I'm Catholic, so I'm saying
that. Yeah. However, that being said, I think what I get what you mean. The realization,
I wouldn't actually come down to being more emotional that you've discovered that, you know,
I think there's something missing in my life. I want to feel happy every day that when I wake up
in the morning and I go to work and I feel that this is something I really, really want to do,
you know. That's why I'm curious because when you were in your HR job and you loved that job,
and then you decided that, how long ago was this? When you decided to make the switch?
I was in 18 years. Wow. You mean you made the switch for 18 years already?
So I make the switch when I, you mean after I left my corporate. So I left the corporate world
when I was 35. So, and then I branched into full-time wellness about seven years later.
Oh, okay. You went to learn first. I went to learn first. So it wasn't an instant jump,
an instant switch. But at 35, when you decided to make that switch, I'm pretty sure that there were
responsibilities, you know. There were financial responsibilities, children to raise, for instance.
I'm sure, right? So let me just share, you know, that's how it got me into this journey. So,
earlier on, you mentioned that you are very sceptic, you know. No, no, no, no, no, no. Not very sceptical.
No, no, no, no, no, no. I am not a sceptic, to be honest. I am sceptical about maybe certain points,
but not everything. Okay, sorry. So I'm not entirely sceptical. Okay, sorry about that. So,
I was actually quite a psychic as a child. Okay, now that's interesting now. My ears are pricking
up under my cans. So as a child, I tend to see things. I tend to see things beyond what the
physical could see. So what you cannot see beyond the physical, it's what we call metaphysical.
Metaphysical. Okay. That's right. So I didn't, so I don't know who to turn to and who to talk to as
a child. So when I start seeing things, then I, when I actually give feedback to my mom, for example,
so I would have prophetic dreams about things happening to family members that they will
actually fall sick or go to the hospital or even death. Okay. So, but when I actually said that to
my parents, they would say, Hey, you know, like, don't talk about this, you know, this is a taboo.
But it has actually proven that weeks or months later, the event will happen. And I would have
like deja vu scenes, you know, when things happen, events happen, I would have this, Oh,
I thought I dream of this. I thought I saw this in my dream or there are flashbacks.
So you've been having this since you were a child. Yes. But so it was actually shut down. I didn't
actually know what to do with it because there was no one else I could talk to. Right. And
our family is not particularly religious, although, you know, my grandparents are like just
Taoist or, you know, they go to like temples, but we don't have a specific discipline or a practice
or a faith or a ritual. That's right. So fast forward, you know, in my young adult up to the
teenagers time, I was actually dreaming of world events. So I was dreaming world like,
um, events like tsunamis or even earthquake way before the event happened. Oh my goodness. I've
got Singapore's version of Nostradamus. No, in fact, no, I was actually, and I didn't know because
when I actually like hear from the news and I thought, Hey, didn't I had that dream like two
weeks ago? So it's always like two weeks before the world event happened. Right. And again, I just
kept quiet. So, so, so how frequently do you actually have these? Sporadic. It's sporadic,
right? It's sporadic. So it's not something that I would actually predict or think of. No. So it
just comes sporadically, which is like, I don't exactly because we are not exposed to any religion
studies. So I don't know what was that. Deja vu. Like for instance, I think, don't you think that
quite a lot of us, now I know what you mean by the full human potential. Um, now I get it. I'm just
about to tell you, I mean, some of us, I'm, or most people actually would have a certain amount of
intuition. Yes. Is that the right word to use? Intuition? Absolutely. Like for example, I can
never forget this one. Two things. To me, it's songs. Let me share this with you. Songs. Yeah.
Yeah. For example, if you remember, well, Potato Head, Rick Astley and his song, Together Forever.
I heard the song in my head a couple of days before it came out to the public sphere. Right.
And then the song about, uh, uh, what is the title of the song? Make it loud, make it clear.
I still recall the words. I still recall the morning. I can't remember the title of the song.
When my father passed away, um, I didn't have the feeling, no, of the things I had to say.
So when that song came out, right, it, I heard it in my head and it happened just after my,
I lost my dad. Uh, and that time, uh, The Living Years, that's the title of the song, The Living
Years. So for me, it's that, it's these things. It's music, it's songs that I hear. I can wake up
in the morning with a tune in my head. Right. You know, and that tune, somehow I hear it again
the day itself or the next day it would just pop out. But don't you think every one of us have
that intuition? This is some kind of intuitive, uh, if you will, intuitive sense. Absolutely. And
later on, when I start go into deeper studies, I realized I was tapping into the collective or
what we call the universal consciousness. So we have a different level of conscious state of mind.
So when you actually go beyond the Delta state, that is the collective consciousness.
Right. Yeah. Okay. You know, I have another vertical that we call, uh, UFO Reveal Asia.
I am the only UFO, uh, show in Asia and in the English medium because it covers a topic.
Okay. Tough. And, and there is, there is a group in the U S led by this guy, this, um, this, uh,
this doctor named Dr. Steven Greer. Okay. Uh, and he led this close encounters five group and this
collective consciousness, right? They gather them in the desert and then they start omning.
And then things started coming, appearing in the sky. Wow. Yeah. And it was covered on Netflix,
by the way. Okay. So we talk about collective consciousness that comes to mind, but I know
where you're going to go with this. You can tell me about the different states of consciousness
from the alpha to the beta to the theta to the Delta states. Right. Yeah. So, okay. We'll talk
about that later on. Let's get back to you now again. So you left your job. You felt that you've
got this, always had this gift. Let me just share with you. It always, it actually started with,
you know, Deepa Chopra says that, um, you know, in all, uh, change, uh, is presided, uh, by some
chaos. Okay. Yeah. So again, so when I actually saw the scene of the candle, I actually start
asking myself, what exactly is the purpose of life? Because at 35, I'm already a mother of one. Um,
and I, uh, was doing relatively well in my career. Yeah. And things are just very stable at home.
Okay. So one fine day, uh, and again, overnight, okay. Everything collapsed and I lost everything.
Oh dear. Yes. So that was actually what happened. So, um, you know, I was separated from, uh, 15
years of marriage. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah. Not at all. Uh, it not turned out to be the most
beautiful thing in my life. Yeah. I'll tell you why. Um, and then the, my father, uh, had a heart
attack as a result of that separation. At that time. At that time. He actually left, so, uh,
one month right after my ex-husband left us. Okay. And I lost all the money as well, all the life
savings. Okay. And at that time, um, I also had some career struggles. Okay. I was head hunted
into a new job place, um, to set up a new team. And, uh, there were some management changes and
then I was actually left alone in a new environment, in a new job. So basically you,
you were kind of brought into some place and you were stranded. Kind of. Kind of. So because at the
personal front, I was actually met with all these changes. Yeah. And then at the same time, I was in
a new environment. Yeah. Yeah. So all of the three, those were in fact, my three main pillars of my
life because my dad is my emotional mentor. Yeah. Yeah. So, and, um, and I lost everything overnight.
Hang on a second. Your dad, how did he do? Is he okay? Um, so he was actually a, um,
dialysis patient for over 20 years. I was supporting him, uh, you know, financially.
After the heart attack, was he, did he recover? No, no, no, he died. He died from the heart attack.
So that's why I said that, you know, there was a separation, there was death. Yeah. And money lost
and, uh, career challenges at that moment. Yeah. Um, and then I was, you know,
How old was your, were you, one, one, one kid? My kid was 10 years old then. Right now she's 26.
Okay. I have a 26 years daughter. All right. All right. That's cool. Okay. Okay. Yeah. But at that
time, my goodness, turmoil. Yeah. Turmoil, turmoil. So, um, again, I was actually, um,
devastated. Okay. Okay. And, uh, I don't allow myself to actually go into depression. Okay.
Okay. So the only way to describe it was every part of me was in pain. I set my hair.
So I was going to, so I lost a lot of weight. I, you know, it got manifested into a lot of physical
symptoms. Okay. And then I went to, um, you know, Western doctors just to get some pain killers.
And after that, I realized that it was just trying to fix my symptom. Then I go to a TCM doctor.
And that's when the TCM doctor very kindly told me that what I need is actually emotional healing.
Right. I told, um, our dear friend, Dr. Alison Tay, back then, you know, she was still my colleague
and she actually told me, um, about meditation, about alternative, you know, um, medical, uh,
you know, meditation. And that's when I actually got into, uh, interested in holistic alternative
healing. Okay. And then I was thinking at the site, I said that all this thing happened too
drastically, too fast. And I have no logic reason to all the irrational things that was happening
because the separation was just very illogical. I didn't see it coming at all. Okay. Okay. Um,
but you know, backtrack a little the night before my wedding, okay. 15 years ago, before I got married
to this, uh, my ex-husband, there was a voice that says, you're going to, uh, divorce this man.
I said, why did you only tell me now? Tomorrow is the wedding and you're telling me now. Right. Yeah.
So you hear this voice. I hear a voice, like, like literally a voice. And I don't know what that
voice. In your ear. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And, and it was a very, it's not a scary voice. Yeah. It was
a very solemn and a very deep, warm voice that tell me you are going to divorce this man. So I
was, throughout the marriage, I was very careful. I was very watchful because it was almost like a
warning for me. Okay. So our relationship were good. Very good. So when, yeah. This is really a shot
out of the blue. Yes. It was out of the blue. Very shocked. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um, well, I'm so sorry
to hear all this. No, not at all. Thank you for sharing with me. Yeah. But, um, that actually, um,
give me the greatest strength. In fact, so overnight, so as I told you by 35, I could
literally retire by 40 because that was our plan just to share how well, uh, in my head, my, my
milestone, I thought I can retire by 40 and we will go around the world to tour. Because you guys were
financially going to be very independent. Very. Okay. Very. Yeah. We have no debt. I had no debt
at 35, but overnight I lost everything, including my life savings. So it was, um, yeah.
So that got me started in, um. So you were looking for, you were looking for relief. I was looking to,
um, get myself back. So when things collect for a relief, to recover, to recover basically. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah. So from the trauma, because that is really my first ever. Okay. So when I was 14,
when my dad fall sick, that was my first trauma. Right. But again, in every trauma, there was
always a voice within me that says, this is going to make you stronger. And it is this voice that
kept me going. So again, when this cathartic event happened to me at 35, I told myself,
this is going to be stronger. You mentioned about the song earlier on. And interestingly,
when this trauma happened, a song came up. You raise me up. I have never heard, I mean, like
regularly. Yes. And the song keep playing in my mind. You raise me up. So it was the song that
actually say, okay, just intuitively, I couldn't explain that. Right. And I just know that things
happen for a reason and I need to know why. So a part of me, the resilient part of me, so there were,
there were split parts of me at that moment. One moment I was really distraught, like really
speechless. It took me, I thought I planned my life well. I thought I was very hardworking. Yeah.
I do things the right way. I was doing a lot of charity. You know, when my life was going well.
All the well laid out plans just didn't turn out to be well laid out somehow. And I didn't plan for
this divorce. So, but when it happened, intuitively, I just thought, okay, this voice that was telling
me 15 years ago, this has happened now. Okay. Yeah. So, long story short, I began to actually,
the first stop was actually a past life regression because I thought it may not be this life. It could
be karma from a previous life that got me started. Okay. Past life regression. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Everybody, just in case you all don't know, for those of you who really don't know, I will tell
you now and I will tell Shirley. Years and years and years ago, just to help myself, much like you,
looking for some amount of healing, I attended a program and I came out certified, a master
clinical hypnotherapist. Amazing. I do understand some of the things to talk about,
or we'll be talking about, but there's one thing I don't ever want to do because deep down in my
heart and in my spirit, in my soul, I stay very faithful to my faith. And one thing I do not do
is past life regression, but for the benefit of this episode, maybe you can tell all of our
listeners and viewers what that is. Well, in my experience, okay, not going into details,
but in that short span of like two and a half hours with the therapist, I visited for past life
because one of the things is that I truly believe that we are here to learn a lesson.
And what exactly was the lesson? And I don't know. And when the therapist command to actually invite
my spirit guide, again, I only know it intellectually, what a spirit guide is. I have no clue how it
would look like. I actually saw the most beautiful thing that I've ever seen in light form.
In light form, I mean, in light form. You're a spirit guide, basically. My spirit guide, but in light form.
It's so beautiful. You just know it in your being that that is a spirit guide. So we communicated
telepathically and the guide told me what exactly was the lesson. So it was the most
transformative experience. It's a transformative spiritual experience for me that actually,
you know, allowed me to see life in from a higher perspective. Okay. Yeah. Right. So I'm not gonna ask
you because it's too private, I would suppose, about what these past lives were. But you've learned
some things from these. That's right. So there were certain common patterns. So long story short,
again, it is not a belief system. Right. Okay. Past life, there is a difference between past life
regression and past life regression therapy. Okay. Past life regression is almost creating an awareness
of things happening in a certain sequence. So for people who don't believe, you can actually say
that it could be a subconscious mind making up some story. But the story line actually has a similar
pattern to the things that are happening in your current life. And I'll tell people, how do you know
whether it is from your, did you make it up or not? The difference is how you feel about it. But that
would be something contentual, isn't it? I mean, it's reframing something that's occurred in the
past, but it's in this life. Yes. So the people go with a, what is the presenting issue. Right. Okay.
And then they go in to actually find their own answers. Right. So the story that we actually
visited has got a similar story line. Okay. And then again, we may not be able to see this in our
current life, but somehow it is repetitive. It is a repetitive pattern and you're not getting it.
Right. You know, so it's almost like a student not learning the exam and you're coming back,
you know, to retake your exam. So different classroom, same lesson. Right. But when you've
discovered, you've discovered your lessons then. Yeah. Let's get back to your, your journey. Okay.
You discovered the lessons you've learned through past life regression, hypnotherapy. Yes. Right.
Under hypnosis, you've learned all that. Then you, then what happened after? Then I started
understanding, okay, what exactly is the purpose? So I started this self-disco... Okay. Then what?
I need to heal myself because I'm still crying, very emotional. Right. And a part of me says,
okay, I need to stay strong for my mom and my daughter. And then I started learning meditation.
Yeah. And again, fast forward at about close to a year, I was a different person. Right. I was,
I became very calm and I was able to ride above my emotion and get my life back. And all the,
throughout all these, throughout all of these, right, you know, having gone for past life
regression and then, you know, that one year has gone by and then you got better and better and
better. Right. Yes. Just in summary. Yeah. Were you working? Yes, I was. So I was working in the
corporate. Still. And at the same time, yes. Yeah. I was working and I actually, as I actually
continue to learn that meditation technique, connecting with my soul origin. And I actually
got to align and so well with my purpose because I really become a different person.
Oh boy. Okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay. What the fuck? Okay. Soul origin. What's that?
Um, when I meditate, I actually connected to my higher self. So I got. Okay. Okay. Right. Um.
No, no, no. I'm willing to listen, man. I'm willing to listen. Just, just explain to me.
Yeah. So the meditation technique that I actually learned was actually Kundalini Reiki. Okay.
So it's a form of meditation where we actually meditated to awaken, um, our, what we call the
soul within us. Right. Yeah. So there was a lot of soul healing. Okay. Okay. In short, you know,
just for simplicity. Where does this method come from? Uh, so this is discovered by a Danish
meditation master. Right. Right. Olle Gabrielsen. Okay. So I learned from my teacher back then who
learned from him. Right. So, and, uh, it was actually supposed to basically channel that
energy through you. Um, and again, to find your soul, to awaken your soul. So that was the beginning
of my awakening journey. Okay. Okay. So one year down the line, I was literally transformed quite
relatively from, from where I was. Okay. Because the past life regression helped me understand
what was my purpose. And then I said, how do I continue this journey? Okay. So this Kundalini
Reiki, um, actually helped me, propelled me, um, and manage my emotion and my state of mind.
Okay. What it does is very practical. It keeps me calm. It keeps me clear headed what I needed to
do. Okay. And within this one year, I started learning again, trying to get myself healed in
different modality. And I was interested in the past life regression because it really got me
intrigued because at that time there's something that, because I was skeptical, I relate to one of
my character that I was in the past life regression to my daughter. And I didn't know that she actually
Googled, she Googled the character and told me, mom, I know who you are. I know your name.
I know you were in this era. I was like, how did you know? And when I read the character in Wikipedia,
yeah, it was a Qing dynasty princess. Wow. And the storyline was exactly what I saw. And she,
because there's no way, because she's only giving, I'm only giving her certain salient points and
she actually Googled based on that. And she found it. So there seems to be some uncanny coincidence,
isn't it? Yeah. So that got me actually really intrigued. And then that was how I actually went
to study further. And I said, I need to know more. I need to investigate more. So for me, I'm always
very curious, even though I am what you call intuitive, but I also have a very logical mind
and I always want to find logical answers. So while I was in the corporate, I started to learn,
to learn, to learn more on the side. In fact, it is purely earlier on just to help myself.
Okay. You started off, you started off the blogs looking for something to heal you.
Then you, then you have to, you've discovered that, hey, it's really helping me. Yes. So I
want to learn more. That's right. Did you get, at that point, get into the stage where you say to
yourself, I'm going to get more knowledge of this. And then you, then you throw yourself into more
and more modalities of wellness, so to speak. Right. And upon which you've made that point,
at that point that you decide that I am going to leave this corporate world and go into this area
upon which I have just discovered that I am good at. Yes, I did. It was okay. What happened was that
coincidentally, almost after a year, after I learned that Kundalini Reiki that helped me so
much, my teacher says that she wants to specialize because there were two school of Reiki, one
Kundalini and one UC Reiki. And she said, okay, I'm going to give up teaching Kundalini Reiki.
So she asked among her students who is willing to take this up. And I just raised my hand
without knowing like what that means, because in my heart, I just feel there was a very strong,
compelling reason. I said, if this can actually help me so much, I am going to help others with
this too. And I didn't think of doing it as a full time, because to me, a logical next step is to
actually feed myself first. Yeah. Okay. And so, but one year later, I started teaching that. And
my first experience of teaching that class, I was really so amazed because when I was at the,
I did know how to teach to be honest. But when I actually sat down, there was this inner knowing
that flow down that says, I'm here for this. Like this is my purpose. Like there was an inner knowing
that like I'm born to do this, not in an egoistic way. Sure, sure. But like I'm here. There was an
inner knowing that says, I am here for this. You just felt that this is where I belong. This is
where I belong. This is what I'm meant to do. Exactly. Where I'm meant to be. It felt like the real me.
Okay. But it feels very strange because I was still very curious. But it felt right. It felt right. And
for the first time, I felt fulfilled. Okay. And then from that point in your life, you decided
that I'm going to plan a day, a point in this journey where I'm going to leave my corporate job.
Yes. Okay. Give my middle finger to the bosses. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
You're so nice. Sometimes when I get a little mischievous, I feel quite bad. Sorry about that.
But anyway, give the middle finger to the bosses. And then after that, leave the job and go to
something that you finally found fulfillment in, which is this. Exactly. Okay. When you started
doing these classes, when you were teaching these classes, when you first started, my curiosity is
this. Right now, congratulations on the opening of your new wellness center. Thank you. For
redefine wellness. Thank you. Hey Kai, can we just play that for a bit, please? They've just opened,
ladies and gentlemen, on the eighth of March, which is just like good grief. That was two days ago,
right? Two days ago.
Now, the reason why I'm showing this video is because I've got a question to ask.
Yes. Is this meant just for women? Sorry? Is this center and redefine wellness meant just for ladies?
No. But you said this is feminine energy. Well, we have both feminine and masculine energy in us,
both men and women. And to be honest, when I first started, to be honest, my classes is about 90%
women, 10% men. Okay. But now, it is 50-50. Okay. Yeah. So why? Because the women feel after the
transformation, they get their spouses in. So you're saying someone like me, for example,
I come to you, you're like, Chris, you got to get in touch with your feminine side. Of course. You're
shitting me. No. Look at me, man. Come on. Do you think, do you think I'm going to go find that?
But first, what's your feminine side? Chris, when you are teaching, you are nurturing and that is
the feminine side. Oh, that's how, that's what you mean. Exactly. Okay. So, so, okay. All my friends
who are male, there are teachers in schools and you are very much in touch with your feminine side.
Okay. I'm not making fun of you. I am. I am. I'm only kidding. I'm only kidding. So, okay. So that
was all you meant. So basically you're saying that even all genders, men included, come in there,
find, get in touch with your feminine side. But why? Why do you specify specifically that it is
about discovering the feminine energy? Because the feminine energy is the creative part of yourself.
Yeah. Creative. Creative. Creative. I am a creative guy. Exactly. So you have a lot of
feminine energy. So when you're creative, you're intuitive, that is the femininity that we're
talking about. The next time I shall wear a wig. Okay. No, I'm not belittling how powerful women
are. Don't get me wrong. International women's ages went past and no way am I saying that. Yeah.
But looking at myself, hmm, really? I mean, all this time, all these years has been my feminine
energy. Yes. All right. All right. All right. So when you started into this, you became a business
for you. Was it a job first that it became a business or? No. So in fact, it was a transition.
So again, it took me seven years. Okay. But again, I, when I lost everything, I actually
told myself, so after I doubled into all of that, I started feeling that this is my calling. Right.
For this life. So how do I actually fulfill that? And when I was actually looking at it, I said,
okay, so how do I get to onto this path in the shortest possible time? Okay. So I need to get my
financial, uh, you know, stable. So I set myself a financial goal for five years. Right. And I said,
regardless of what, um, this is the amount five years later, once I achieve, I'm going to switch
and I achieved the goal in four years. Okay. And, and, and when you achieved that goal, you meant
that you became that person, you became that person you set out to be in this field. So for the five
years I was, I actually left the corporate and set up my own, uh, executive search company. So you
didn't go work for someone, you actually started a business. Uh, I started executive search company
on my own. Executive search. Okay. That's right. Yeah. The headhunting consultancy. Yeah. Yeah.
Um, and then by the side, so that I could have the flexibility of time to actually harness my
skills in healing. Wow. Yeah. So that was the intention. So the transition time was like seven
years. So it was actually quite a long time. And you no longer do executive search. No. So when I
set up my first center, um, seven years ago, um, I actually stopped taking on the consultancy. So I,
when I was doing half, half, you know, I always used to say that the day job fits me and the night
job fulfills me. Yeah. Till the time I actually, uh, are able to transition and my passion is able
to pay my bills. Right. Yeah. So back then I was actually doing healing work from home. You must
be so tired. I mean, especially at that time, man, you know, doing that job in a day because
it's a job, but loving what you do at night because it is something that makes me whole.
Yes. It must be so damn tiring. Right. Anyway, the, the, I think the wonderful part is, is that
your company is a recipient for the 2022 SME award. Yes. Right. Yes. And congratulations for that. I
know I'm like a two years too late, but it's the first time we've met today. So congratulations
anyways. Thank you, Chris. So yeah, I mean, great, man. I can just imagine the amount of hard work
that's been put into all these. A lot of hard. Oh, for sure. For sure. My curiosity is this,
with all of these that you told me, the services that you guys offer. Um, I mean,
there's an interesting video I came across of you guys. Uh, Kai, can we play that one please?
Oh, this, this, yeah, that one, that one. Let me bring the volume down a little bit. Let us lose
our ears. Okay. Go right ahead, man. Regarding you through this next hour of sound healing
meditation, all you need is just find your Zen again. And then after that, I'll wake you up
and gently remind you of the QR code. Sounds absolutely amazing.
I will use you through some breath work. So some parts of your body that used to be a little, uh,
tight may actually intensify. What you need to do is to breathe into that body part and breathe out
into the sound. Can I focus that on my lower back? Absolutely. Okay. So lie down and just breathe in.
And exhale with a laugh. Inhale into the upper abdomen.
And breathe it out. Everything else can wait. Okay, Kai, thank you. This is your time. Your
time to get ready. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it.
Everything else can wait. Okay, Kai, thank you. This is your time. Your space.
Now that thing is called, this is what, this is the stuff you have on my table today. Yes,
the singing bowl. Yeah. And, and, and this, this, this is, these are called sound bowls.
This is called a Tibetan singing bowls. Oh yeah. The human layers. How come I keep seeing
everywhere I find online, it just calls these things a sound bowl. A sound bowl because it
makes sound. But you're calling it, you're saying, but the actual name is that. The human layers.
It's a, it's a Tibetan singing bowl. That's right. Okay. And it came, it's from, of course, Tibet in
the Himalayas. And you learned this there. I learned from three different teachers. Okay. Yeah.
But there's a interesting picture of you in the Himalayas. Yes. Right. And Kai, can we have that,
those shots? There you go. I mean, I got to say though, I got to say though, those are great picks,
man. The second one on the right, you see the aura from the, in the sky in the back. It's amazing.
Yeah. That was the sunrise. We were there like about 5 AM in the morning. So this is 5 AM.
I mean, people take a look at that aura at the back of Shirley behind the mountains is amazing,
man. And you were sitting, please don't tell me you were sitting on a cliff. I was. The one,
the picture on the left. Yes. Why the heck do you have to sit on the cliff and so right at the edge,
man? What a thrill of it. Okay, go, go, go. Because it was so, it was such a nice view. I couldn't
miss it. You went, hello? It's like an inch away from the, you know, dropping off. Well, I was
always at my age. So what is this? Oh man, you're one of those adrenaline, you're one adrenaline junkie.
I mean, you're supposed to be doing the well this thing, but calm, you know, not adrenaline junkie.
That's because I'm calm. That's why I can do that. Not for... Okay, just tell me more. You had to go
to the Himalayas. I mean, you had said you learned from three different people? Three different
teachers. Okay, but not all of them were from the Himalayas? Well, the first teacher was a Japanese.
She learned from the different masters in Nepal. So at that time when time doesn't permit, so I
actually learned from her. So she traveled the Himalayas and learned from different teachers.
So I learned from her. And then my second teacher was an Indian. So he actually taught it in a very
scientific way. Okay. Yeah. And then the third teacher, which, you know, I went to the Himalayas
where I actually learned a very deep, profound way how to actually play it astrologically
to align a person. So there are different ways you can actually play. You can play harmonically.
You can actually play it also align the bows according to the person's astrological sign.
Okay. Hang on a sec. Let's talk about the astrological one. That one, did you learn,
when you went to the Himalayas, when you went to Tibet, did you learn from a Buddhism
lama or monk or was it just a person? No, he specialized in sound healing. He's a musician.
So it's not Tibetan Buddhism based? No, no, no, not at all. It's not a religion based therapy.
In fact... Interesting. Yeah. Sound therapy has been around for thousands of years. It's only in
the seventies that scientists actually tried to research more on sound healing. Right. That this
becomes popular. Okay. My only exposure to this singing bowl was when I went for a massage
in Lombok. Nice. It was a beautiful resort. And, you know, of course, your usual massage bed
with a hole in it for your face to go in and she put the bowl right there and she went,
yeah. And for me, I enjoyed it, but the wife didn't. The wife told me that she really hated it.
She said that the, I think for her, certain frequencies, she just hates. I noticed that
about her. I mean, we've been married almost 25 years. So I can tell you that there are certain
frequencies she just cannot accept. Right. It makes you drive her up the wall, you know? But for me,
I'm okay because I'm quite all around it when it comes to sound and music. Right. So I kind of
enjoyed it. As a matter of fact, I think it did put me to sleep for a bit. But then again,
no one ever explained to me the benefits of the singing bowl. Now that you've got it here,
hey, it's all yours, man. Give me some music. Okay. So different sound bowl have a different
frequency. Right. Like what you have just shared. So, and it create actually a different effect.
Tell me how does this sound for you? Bob Marley.
Hey, I shot cherries. Okay. And this sound, how do you feel?
Jimi Hendrix. Okay. Okay. I'm only kidding. I'm only kidding. You just do me a favor.
Hit that one again. Hit that one again. Hit the first one again. Okay.
When, what am I supposed to feel? So when you listen, you don't only listen with your
ears, but for sound healing, you listen with your entire being, listen with your body.
I can just tell you what I feel. Sure. And the only thing I can tell you how I can describe it
to you is that it's church bells. Say that again? It's like church bells. I love church bells.
I see. I love church bells. So what does church bells do to you? What does the sound do to you?
Makes me feel happy, safe, calm. Excellent. Yeah. So this is the tone
that will actually bring you calmness. What about this? Try this.
No, man. What does it do to you? How do you feel?
Scary. Scary. Interesting. Okay. Let me try one more time. Okay. With the mallet.
No, man. It's just feels like doom and gloom. I don't like it at all. You don't like it at all.
See? So different frequency does different things for different people.
No. The can's on, right? I mean, in the mic picking it up, it's,
no, I do not like it. You don't like it. No, not at all, man. No.
Because there is a resonance that this sound relates to the church bell that you like.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So your mind actually connects with the familiarity and it calms you.
Yeah, it does. For something, like I said, for people who are not used to sound, this is something
very foreign to them and it might trigger something within them. That, you know.
That one makes me feel like the pit in my stomach. It feels like this impending doom
that there is something standing behind me. Really? That kind of feeling. Yeah.
Okay. So this bowl, the frequency of this bowl actually opens up your consciousness.
Okay. So it helps with focus. It helps with focus, technically.
So this brings on calmness. This is the tone for calmness.
Please, please knock that one more time for me. Please, the calm one, the small one.
The calm one? Sure. Sorry.
Not at all. I'll be very serious with you. I don't know whether the viewers and listeners
is going to be so skeptical, cynical, or what about the same, man. I ask you to hit that one
again for me because this one is still sitting with me, man. It's still sitting with me.
It's still sitting with you. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
It's not a good thing. Okay.
Then it's sitting with me. That's okay.
We just have to... Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Wow. Wow. So what happens if you come across someone, have you ever come across someone like me
who would go, no, surely this doesn't work. Have you ever come across people like me?
Of course. Okay.
Of course, not everyone would resonate with sound. Yeah.
But this is generally due for people actually, besides calming them down.
Well, a lot of my students actually reported that they sleep better. Yeah. And again, people come,
like there was a lady who particularly came because she was recommended by her daughter.
She couldn't bend her knees. She was showing me before the class.
She couldn't bend her knees. Bend her knees. Yes.
Right. And after that one session,
she was squatting in front of me and showing me that the pain was completely gone.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. So this is very good for...
Reusing this. Yes. For pain relief, for headache,
for migraine. Right.
Yeah. So for a peace of mind or even to gain clarity.
Okay. So because what it does is that it actually helps to clear and release certain emotions.
Energy blockages. So there are only two types of energy block. Either it is a habitual block where
you're probably sitting for too long or you're in a certain position. So the energy gets stagnated.
Okay. So we can actually move that energy through vibration or certain pain, certain, especially
chronic pain is actually due to stuck emotion that was actually... Yeah. So either way, sound vibration
actually helps to move this energy. Where did this theory come from? If you don't mind my asking.
No, because sound actually works four times faster in water than through air. So our body is 70%
water. Right.
So with that sound frequency, it actually starts to move the stagnant energy, which is why,
you know, whenever that is playing, there is an energy block. So once we actually clear the
energy block, there's no pain. Hey, you know something, what you just said to me. It's like
people said about snowflakes and when you have certain music being played, nice music,
the snowflakes that fall in, they're all unique in their own way, but then microscopically, right?
Yes. The design of each flake is beautiful. Yes.
But when you have lousy, brackish music is being played, then the snowflake looks awful.
That's right. So we're talking about vibration.
Vibration. Yeah.
Hey, Kai, Kai, hey, you listening to this man? It's like a UFO shows, man. We're just talking
about this in our Euphorist series, you know, about vibrations and signal frequencies, you know,
that is interdimensional, blah, blah, blah. And here I have this person sitting with me in my studio
talking to me about wellness, telling me about vibrations. Yeah.
Vibrations.
Yeah. So, okay. So sound frequency has got healing properties.
That's right. To sum it up.
That's right. But I also realize that you've got some bottles on my table there.
Well, these are essential oils.
Can we put them right here so that we can take... Yeah, there you go.
Sure. Okay. There you go.
Okay. Kai, do we get this guy on camera? We do, right?
No. No? Okay. Hang on a sec.
Let me just move this. Have we got this now? Here you go. Yay! Here, here, here. Yeah, there you go.
Right. Okay. Let me just put this on here. Ah, right. Okay.
Okay. So right at the back. Yeah. Right here.
That will work. Yeah. Okay. That's cool. Okay. Cool. Yeah.
Right. So people can see what's that. So these are essential oils.
Essential oils. We all know about essential oils.
Maybe walk into the malls. You see certain brands there.
We'll not mention those names. And, hey, we go in.
We say, first thing I notice about these places, man, if I can just tell you by observation, yeah.
If you walked into my studio, I don't know whether you smelt it first hand.
I notice most of these places tend to just, you know, put on the lemongrass.
Yes. It's always lemongrass.
You know why? Why?
Lemongrass relaxes you. Yeah. I love it, man.
Exactly. So when you're relaxed, you're happy. Your heart is open.
And you want to spend.
Okay. So tell me about this. I mean, now we know sound. Now we're going to talk about sense.
Sense. Yeah. So, you know, when the mall, the scent basically, sound and scent are the most,
what we call, common to most people. Yeah.
Okay. Because it's universal. Yeah.
Regardless of any religion. Yeah.
And again, scent can actually, because it is also using the frequency and vibration of nature.
Essential oil is an extract of the different parts of the plants. Yeah.
Exactly. And anything that is in nature has a high frequency and vibration.
So again, these are what we call, strictly speaking, they are vibrational medicine
to raise your vibration. So different emotion has a certain frequency.
Okay. And so emotions such as fear, anxiety, depression carries a lower frequency.
So how do you, in the very shortest period of time, bring up a person's frequency?
It's through the senses. Senses and sound, auditory, all this is connected to your subconscious mind.
And the part of your mind, okay, is connected to your emotion.
Old factory. Old factory.
That's right. The old factory and also your hypothalamus that's connected to your emotion.
So scent can bring up memories. It can also uplift you. It can also calm you down.
So that's why I actually use essential oil as part of the therapy as an add-on to actually complement
the therapeutic. So you can basically use sound and scent in one therapy session.
Sound and scent. Depending on what an individual needs actually.
Yeah, yeah, of course. Yes. So I engage all the five senses or even the six senses.
Wait, six? Okay, wait. Gussitore, how about food, man?
Well, the sensation of perhaps the tactile, when we talk about the taste, sometimes they can scent,
they can smell it through the essential oils. So basically you're saying that whatever we smell,
we can also have a sense of taste about it. Exactly.
So we're not talking about directly having some therapy with ingesting food.
I mean, chocolate's help. Yeah.
Come on. I mean.
Yeah. It has a high content of endorphins so it keeps you happy.
Yeah. I mean, what the hell, right? I mean, whoa. Yeah. Okay. So,
six sense. What's that six sense we're talking about?
Intuition, your inner vision. Oh my.
Yeah. Because that's what we call the metaphysical aspect. It goes beyond your five senses. So the
more we are able to engage our senses, the more we are able to heal.
Okay. Because the part where we hold our emotion,
it's also the part that actually manages our senses, our sensory functions. So,
senses actually bring you easier and guided you into that particular emotion.
Okay. Yeah. So when we're able to anchor into a specific emotion, then they can actually trigger
the imagery. And from there, the imagery, we can actually anchor them into the experience.
Right. And when people can anchor into the experience, it allows the emotional
catharsis to actually happen. And because in healing, until you feel it, you can't heal it.
So you're saying that it's like alcoholics anonymous. You have to first acknowledge and
admit that you have a problem. Find that problem, confront the problem, and then deal with the problem.
Is it something like that? The way you put it is, okay, so very similar. So be aware. So
be aware of what you want to heal. Okay. So again, if your life is going on well, you don't need
therapy. Right. Okay. So therapy is basically, there is an objective to it. You find that things
are not working, okay. And you're trying to find a logical answers to it, to bring your life back
on track. So we always go with like, what exactly is a therapeutic contract with a client?
Okay. Say I can't get to sleep, like for example. And so I help to first identify the root cause of
what is causing the insomnia. So sometimes there could be two or three aspects in the life that the
things are not working well. That's why it keeps the person awake at night. So I dive in directly
straight into those issues. Right. Yeah. And once the issue is resolved and they can find an answer,
a resolution to it. So first of all, when they come, I will always ask client, do you need clarity
or do you need resolution? So sometimes they just need clarity. Sometimes they say, okay, I need a
resolution to a particular issue. Okay. And we will go on, you know, to take in more sessions with
them until they resolve that. Wow. Yes. Wow. Wow. Ancestral energy healing. What is that?
Basically people who don't believe in past life, we said that, so we do carry genes and DNA from
our ancestors. So sometimes certain images that we see could be due to an ancestral conditioning,
a belief system or a programming that actually exists in our DNA, which is causing the repeat
pattern from happening because our life is primarily driven by our belief. Our belief will
drive our habits. But it's a cultural thing. Don't you think so? I mean, isn't that more cultural
than anything else? If you come from a family, for example, and I've seen many of these,
I mean, it's just one example. If father's a gambler, grandfather's a gambler, father was also
a gambler, chances are you being a gambler is bloody high, right? It's a vicious cycle. And
someone throughout that down line have got to decide to break out of that cycle as an example.
So I wouldn't think that that's DNA. I think that would be something that is embedded into
a family's traditional culture or something. But again, then when you talk about ancestral healing,
we actually go back to, again, with no judgment, we go back to actually investigate what causes
the ancestors to even gamble. Oh, I see. So you're saying going to the root cause of the challenge
where how is it they started into these things? Exactly. So what could be the cause of them
getting into the habit? Exactly. Yeah. So for ancestral healing, people often come with
a medical condition. Okay. Yeah. So that's where we go into ancestral healing, where there is a
a repeat repetitive pattern of a cancer or a specific diseases. So what exactly is happening
in along the ancestral line that is causing this recurring disease to happen? So once the current
client understands that they will be able to reverse that for their next gen, for themselves,
and also for the generation. But surely based on what you've just said, you know,
haven't you had, have you had, I don't know whether you have, if you have, please be sure of us,
you know, where Western medicine and would have come and argued with you guys about something
like this, as much as I've heard also about the TCM sector, right? Western medicine would
think that they're almighty, of course, you know, and they would say that this is, you know, cancer,
diabetes, even stroke, hereditary nature, you know, passed down from the gene, you know. And,
and, but here your take is, is that, or your, your, your discipline, you know, believe that it's
what's the root cause when Western medicine might debunk it by saying that it is, it is hereditary,
you know. So, so it's not about anything else. So have you encountered anything like that when
these people come in, the naysayers come in and tell you that?
Well, they don't need to believe it. They, we just need to do it to actually prove it.
Right.
Yeah. So there is one example of this Indian guy. He specifically came to me and asked me for
asked me for hypnotherapy. Yeah. And his presenting condition is that he is diabetic. And because of
the diabetes, so he actually, one of his eye is actually blind, 90% blind. And he says that it is
basically one of the, there's a blood clot on the optic nerve. Yeah. And because of his
diabetic condition, he couldn't operate. The doctor couldn't operate on him. Yeah. So I actually use
the hypnotherapy technique to first identify why was there even a blood clot? Okay. Yeah. What
causes the blood clot? Okay. So the first two sessions, we actually identify there was an
emotion that actually caused the blood clot to happen. There was an emotional, it was a trauma.
Correct. So we went into the subconscious mind because your subconscious mind actually registers
everything. Right. Right. So we identified that that was a tool event during his childhood where
he had a fear. Right. Yeah. He was literally poking a pencil into his friend's eyes. Right. Okay. So
there was amount of guilt. There was amount of guilt. Yeah. And fear. Yeah. So that, and where
did he hold it? In his eyes. Yeah. So when we went through the session and clear that energy in print
for him, and then he actually, and of course, by the third session when he came, I actually asked
him, so he says, I actually saw an optician and he will actually drain, he said that there's no
medication for it. I have to go back to him every month to drain the blood clot. Right. So I actually
detailed and asked him exactly the procedure that the optician did for him. Right. And I actually
programmed it in his subconscious mind to program the blood clot, you know, to drain. So it's like
self-healing. It's a self-healing. So the third session, so by the time we heal the root cause,
the third session, I actually programmed the mind to actually do self-healing. Yeah. And a month later,
he went back to the doctor. The doctor says the blood clot is gone. What did you do? Yeah. The
doctor was actually very surprised. So that was my first medical condition. And of course, there
are also a lot of phobia and unexplainable like non-medical conditions that I have actually helped
to resolve. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And in the case of, again, there were also people with more severe
diseases. In the case of cancer, we also helped to identify what exactly was the disease about.
Right. Yeah. Right. So that's all hypnotherapy. That's right. Upon which I'm very, I mean,
of course I understand well enough. Let's talk about family consolation. There are things here
that I don't get at all. So, and this is the last thing I'm going to ask you before we end the show.
So family consolation, what is that? Basically, how we constellate the different issue, okay?
Where there is a field where we understand, okay, what exactly is the presenting issue,
let's say in the family, like in the case of an ancestral co-related issue. Yeah. So we will
constellate the disease and from the constellation, we will be able to find out what exactly is the
root cause of the disease. What do you mean by constellate? Sorry. Well, it is basically a
constellation of the family origin. Right. Okay. So we put up a different representative in a family,
let's say a presenting issue, let's say in a case of a medical condition. Right. Okay. Let's say a
disease that's actually going on, let's say diabetes. Sure. So we will constellate like,
who exactly is the person having the disease. So we will have the person, individual people
to represent the disease, to represent the family member that is having the disease.
Okay. So when we actually constellate and we get different representative to represent
the particular character concerning either the disease of a family situation, and in that all
knowing field, the representative will start to feel and sense certain things and they will start
to articulate and the disease will start talking. So from there, we will understand where is the
origin of it coming from. And what is it? Okay. Wow. Wow. So once you're able to understand
and you discover the origin, what would usually the next steps be? Well, if it is a belief system,
we start changing the belief system. Okay. Right. Okay. So basically you can have different modalities
being used on a patient or a client to treat something, isn't it? It's not just one particular
disease. Yeah, we can constantly, yeah, exactly. So we are not modality focused, but we are client
focused. So when clients come to us, we will actually assess and based on what is the best
way forward to help them resolve the issues. Yeah. So from there, when they gain that clarity
and they say that, Hey, this is the issue, because usually these are all emotional related
issues that we couldn't resolve. The energy got stuck there through different generation.
And you see when trauma happen, we formulate certain belief system and that carry, you know,
it gets to carry down. You know why I'm smiling? Why? I'm smiling because it brings back memories
on my episode one of season two with Dr. Alison Tay. When I kept going, he said, what the hell is
this yin and yang man? Yeah. And this, this Chi thing, you know? You know, Chris is when something
gets blocked along the highway, they got a roadblock. And here you go, I have you now telling me,
you know, you got emotional blockage. I said, geez, I tell you, the more I do these shows, man.
Oh, wow. I'm not being skeptical. I'm not being cynical. I'm not making fun of you and what you
do. Don't get me the wrong way. No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh man. But, but you know, it just brings
back a lot of memories of people I've spoken to in so many similarities in so many different
disciplines. And it's quite interesting to be fair, you know, right. You're doing great. You've got
a new center coming up or came up, sorry, launched. It's just been a matter of two days. And you know,
once again, congratulations for that. Thank you, Chris. And, and you know, you're doing great
because I mean, I mean, you've got lots of corporate clients as well, right? Yes. Yeah. And,
and so amazing to see that, you know, you, you did that switch. You have been through all that
trauma personally and build your way to where you are. I mean, basically, as far as I can,
I can basically feel, man, all that effort. And if you don't mind me asking, I think you and I,
we're about the same vintage. I'm not sure. I'm 54. Going to be. I'm way younger. You're way younger.
I'm 50. Okay. Well done. Stupid you, Chris. Okay. Right. Well, well, cool. Cool. Welcome to the big
five. Anyway. And yeah, you know, I mean, we're not that different in age. And, and I can just
feel all of that work, all of that pain and building your way where you are is an inspiration. Can you
just give, you know, what does Shoddy Tay have to say to anyone out there today working, being a
person who is formerly a headhunter, you know, and not doing what you do and doing great at it,
um, for anyone that's out there contemplating a mid-career change. What would your message be?
Just follow your heart, follow your passion. It will guide you the way. Okay. And before we end
the show, before we say goodbye, Shirley, what future plans are in store for Shoddy Tay?
To be honest, no plan. No plan is the best plan. Honestly, I did not plan for the second center.
Okay. Okay. Um, once you have no plan, because the planning is always from the mind,
then you allow the divine to work through you. Wow. Okay. For a bigger plan, because the divine
has a greater plan for you. So you're saying. So, and how do I get there? Again, it goes with
your passion because your heart knows the way. Okay. So basically in Chris Hansen's speak, it is
again, in Chris Hansen's speech would be, um, you know what? Don't think fuck it. Go and do yes.
Just do it because you know what? You only live once. Yeah, man. And again, what is there to lose?
Yeah. Right. I mean, a lot to lose. But you only live once. You only live once. And if you don't
do it now, when the hell are you going to do it? If it has to be me, it's got to be me. Right.
Exactly. So when I left my, um, my career, uh, corporate career again, I was doing well. Yeah.
I tell myself what is there to lose? I just try one year. If it doesn't work, I can always come back.
Wow. It's a coming back part that, that's painful, isn't it? I mean, thinking about if it doesn't
work, then I go back to this or go back to what I was. Well, that's why I said that you have to
find something that is so, you're so passionate about that the passion overrides your fear. Right.
Because I truly believe because something just struck me when I got healed. What do you, what
is the meaning of healing? Healing means being full and complete again. So when you actually
experience that completeness, there's no turning back. And to be honest, when I first started my,
um, you know, I go into healing, I wasn't even earning as much as I was. So it wasn't the money
anymore. It wasn't the money. A lot of people considered because of practical reasons. Yeah.
And again, that's why I said in my story, I use the shortest possible time to get my basic need
met first. So I actually do, did a logical, um, calculation. How much do I actually need? How much
is my safety net? How much is my buffer? You need to use your head first. Then your head and your
heart has to work in synchronicity because your heart knows the way. So again, I told you, I am a
logical person. So I said, okay, if again, fear is a good emotion to have. Okay. Okay. So keeps you
alive. It keeps you alive. Exactly. And that is again, we need to be able to pay attention to
the things that you do. Okay. I'll be loose. Right. Okay. So once that is taken care of, I did the
sum, then I said, all right, then the heart takes over. Okay. I hear you. I hear you. Uh, last
question, very, very last question. Throughout the time you've been, you started doing this,
don't you have, haven't you, have you come across people who would have seen this as mumbo jumbo?
No, my nickname, my daughter called me a white witch when I first started. And because of this,
I remembered that. And that's why I said, you just wait, you wait. And I actually told her that,
okay, because I want to actualize this. And that's why that was my motivation to set up my first
center. Okay. Yeah. So when I first set up, uh, you know, my center and I deliberately go into
corporate just to prove to them, my family members that, um, I am not mumbo jumbo,
because this stuff really works. And I'm able to actually contribute, uh, this, you know, learning
and share this in the corporate world. And if you can get into the corporate world again, this is
actually a testimony, uh, as much as close as I can get to actually showcase that this stuff work,
because we teach it scientifically. And you've got the big boys out there, corporate clients who
actually use you guys. Yeah. Frequently enough. Very big one. Like, you know, so I'm going to do
you guys a favor. Really fine wellness. Here we go. If you guys need to get yourselves fixed,
is that the right way? Thank you so much. Not fit, fit you go into the gym, but you need to be
mentally and initially if you need to get fixed, if you need to get fixed, okay. You go to redefine
wellness. Not really fixed. If you want to be well, if you want to be emotionally, mentally,
spiritually well, come to us. No one needs to fix. I, I actually, but I really appreciate your
colleague, but I truly believe that people don't need fixing. People need to be understood and
people need to be loved. Okay. If you need to be loved, can we put that up again? Please, guys.
If you need to be loved, go to redefine wellness. They will redefine wellness for you. Uh, you can,
you can reach their contacts. All their surely's contacts are also there. So make sure you go down
to redefine wellness and you walk out that place, a new person. Thank you so much. Chris, not at all.
Yeah. And unequivocally, I want to state that this particular episode, it is not sponsored.
I am not getting paid. So you're thinking that I'll give you the birdie. Yeah. Not happening. Uh,
no, this is a, this is not a paid episode. It's not a sponsored episode. I invited Shirley Tay here
and also because I, I tell you, because I think the subject is interesting and I think sometimes
I just need to go a bit left field and take a look at, just be open a little bit and find out a
little bit more, be curious. Okay. And why not? Why the hell not go down to redefine wellness and do
something for you. And thank you Shirley for being on the show. Thank you so much, Chris, for inviting
me. I'm so glad that you're here. I'm so glad you're enjoying what you do and I wish you all the
very, very best. Thank you. All right, everybody. We are episode five, uh, for season three of the
Chris Hansen conversation. Uh, the next couple of ones you'll find it will be transitioning very soon,
uh, to another vertical and that would be our tribute to Singapore's music icons. Oh man,
conversations have been riveting there. Yes, we have shot those already. So make sure that you
catch those episodes. And again, this is Chris Hansen. I am going to go and feed myself with some
good vibrations. Bye bye.