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Yeah, but you've got to put yourself out there first, right?

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So it goes back to that.

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So yeah, put yourself out there.

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Put yourself out there.

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First, make that first step.

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Then when it makes that first step, people will start to see it.

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People like it.

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Then you eventually get spread.

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The news will spread and eventually people know and then they'll come to you and then

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one job you do will lead you to the next job.

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Next thing, next thing, next thing.

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Hi everyone.

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It's been a real long season.

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I know.

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This is the second last episode before we end season three of The Chris Hansen Conversation.

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Welcome back today.

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Today's show is going to be a classy one.

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I've got a class act with me right now in studio as my guest.

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It's going to be a very punny show.

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I can see it already.

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I'm dressed more decently than I used to, you know, for most of my other episodes as

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you can see, because this classy guy is next to me and I know he'll come dressed the way

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I do.

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And I was right.

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He came dressed in this prince and with prince for sure.

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And I said, John's going to come in prince.

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Oh really?

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You thought so?

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How did you guess?

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John Class, you see, that's why I've got the man, the classy dude, John in studio today.

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Hey man.

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It's great to be here, Chris.

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Thank you so much for being here, man.

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This is my tribute, our tribute to you.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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I've said this a few times.

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Sometimes I feel like a fucking parrot.

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I've said this a few times to guests of mine who are not, who are basically, mainly, primarily,

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would you say your job is as a radio personality?

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No, I wouldn't say that.

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Oh really?

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Then what would you say?

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I consider myself a Sega songwriter.

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That's basically, I've always considered myself that.

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And I've not done radio for as long as I've done music.

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Actually, I know a lot of people, you know, hear me on radio more as a, you know, presenter.

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But I was away for 15 years.

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I started off maybe in 1991 as a radio presenter.

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That's how we started off.

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Because I had no way into the music industry at that point.

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So I come out of the army, right?

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And then in those days, we had nothing else.

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There was no polytechnic.

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There was no, you know, way to do broadcasting.

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There was no way to film.

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You mean there were polytechnics, but there were no courses?

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Those courses.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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So polys were kind of relatively new at that point as well, right?

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So I was like, okay, what do I do?

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So I thought first thing I'm going to do after Pree U, go to go to army, just get myself

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into the army, get that over and done with.

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So I did that.

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And after army, what next?

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So I spent one year in my auntie's, she gave me a little room in a place to have my music

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equipment.

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I had all the band equipment there.

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I had my four track machine trying to write some, which I was writing songs, just trying

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to get the songs arranged and, you know, into a demo tape that I could send someone.

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And I had no idea who I could send it to at that point as well, because record labels

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here, you know, they were not really, you know, promoting local acts at that point.

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Not at that point.

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So, anyway, I just, for one year I was doing that.

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And while I was doing that, I was making some extra money, you know, getting into those

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sort of costumes of bears, Mickey Mouse, you know, that stuff to go to parties and entertain

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children.

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Mascots.

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Mascots.

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That's the word.

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That's mascots.

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That's the word.

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Oh crap.

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For about a year.

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Just to earn some extra cash to go and live a life while I was doing that.

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Did you have fun doing that?

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I had lots of fun doing that.

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I must say, I was in Orchard Road once and I forgot that I was actually in this mascot

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outfit, right?

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And I was near a mall during Christmas season, I think it was, and there were a lot of people

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walking by and I saw Pandip Singh, which, you know, a friend from St. Patrick's, right?

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So obviously I saw him and said, hey, Pandip, right?

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And then he looked at me like, he started running along and said, hey, Pandip, it's me.

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Of course I didn't realize he was wearing, he had no idea who I was, right?

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What were you wearing?

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Did you remember?

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I was Mickey Mouse, one of those.

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And then Pandip Singh saw Mickey Mouse coming to him, approaching him, and Mickey Mouse

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knew his name.

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He was horrified that Mickey Mouse knew his name, calling out to him in Orchard Road.

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And he ran away.

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Literally he's just, he's just in his speed and then he just ran away from me, right?

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I was like, oh yeah, I forgot I'm wearing this, right?

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So yeah, so I was doing that one year.

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And then very interestingly, I had a girlfriend at that point and she had a Rediffusion set

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at home.

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So I used to go to a place and used to hear Rediffusion playing.

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Fantastic man, Rediffusion.

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And then she told me one day, she said, you know, this radio station is looking for DJs

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for an hour, you know, it's called Listener's Takeover, right?

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And I think you should go and do this, right?

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And I was like, no, me and radio, I never thought of radio at all before as an option

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of something I would do, right?

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I said, no, I don't think I have it.

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I don't think I can.

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And she said, well, I think you have the ability to do it.

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I think you have the voice for it.

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Go for it.

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I was like, nah, you know, I just left it alone.

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But what little did I know that she actually wrote into the radio station saying that I

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would like to be a part of the show, right?

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Called Listener's Takeover.

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For the, I'm sorry to stop you there, but for the benefit of our listening audience,

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our viewing audience as well, Re-Diffusion is something that we had in Singapore.

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It's a box.

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It's a box where you only have a few channels to tune to and a volume button.

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It was cable radio.

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That's right.

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You actually have to pay for it.

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You have to pay subscription for it because it's cable radio.

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It doesn't come off the airwaves.

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There's no bandwidth to it.

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It's not FM or AM.

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But they had fantastic stuff, man.

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I thought at that point, cutting edge, a lot of cutting edge stuff came out from Re-Diffusion.

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Awesome DJs.

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And so, you know, I had a call one day and it was someone from Re-Diffusion saying, okay,

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we received your letter and I would like to get you in for a show, right?

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I was like, oh my goodness.

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I have no idea about the latest songs.

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You know, I loved oldies at that point.

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I used to sing a lot of oldies.

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And I said, okay.

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And then we fixed the date.

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I immediately called my friend, St. Pat's good friend of mine, Raymond Francis.

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He was into that stuff, the latest music.

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He always used to, you know, act like a DJ as well.

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He reviews those.

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He's a journalist, isn't he?

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He was a journalist.

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Now he's doing a PR, if I'm not mistaken.

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So anyway, so I said, give me 10 songs, latest songs, give me some information on it.

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Because we did not have the internet at that point, right?

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You had to go to the library, you know, look up books to find out that information.

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And he used to read Smash It's and Number One magazine.

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And Number One magazine.

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He bought that all the time.

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So he knew all the information at the tip of his fingers, right?

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So he gave me all that information, 1 to 10, Losing My Religion, all those songs at that

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And so I just sent it to them and said, okay, these are the songs I'm going to do.

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So they had to get the records for it.

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that Raymond sent me.

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So it happened at that point as well, that was someone in Rediffusion was leaving, one

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of the DJs were leaving to go to Canada.

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So there was going to be a spot open.

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But didn't it happen to be May Cecilia?

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May Cecilia?

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No, no, no, Cecilia.

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No, no, it was not Cecilia.

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It was, I forgot her name at this point, but yeah, it was one of the DJs.

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And so it happened was after I did that show, someone came up to me and said, oh, our programs

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director, Juanita Nelson would love to speak to you, right?

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Juanita Nelson.

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So I said, oh, about what?

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And she said, oh, well, you know, just go ahead and have a chat with her.

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So she sort of offered me the job, said, oh, I heard, you know, but what you did was good

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and we have a spot, would you be interested?

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And of course, like, what, really?

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I had not thought about radio at all.

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You know, this thing came because my girlfriend had submitted, you know, this letter of mine.

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Well, she did you a big favor, man.

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Sorry?

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She did you a big favor.

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And I finally, you know, kind of thanked her again when she reached out to me on Facebook.

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I said, you know, she, cause she came back, she's living overseas, but she came back,

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she heard me on radio.

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She said, John, you sound great.

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You know, I'm really excited and happy that you're doing this.

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I said, it's because of you, man, you know, all those years ago, I'm doing this right

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now, right?

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So anyway, so I got the job and then one thing led to another, because I got into the industry,

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you know, so-called my boss one day, I was telling her about how I have a band, it was

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three of us and we were working towards a demo.

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And she said, Hey, I so have, so happened to know the managing director of Pony Canyon,

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right?

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Which was a record label at that point that was set up to, to find the local acts.

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And she says, you know, he owes me a favor.

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Would you, you know, want me to arrange for a meeting with him so you can show him your

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demo?

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I said, that'll be fantastic.

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So I told my, my two other guys from kick at that point.

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I said, okay, you know, we have this opportunity.

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Let's do a demo of five songs.

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Did the demo of five songs before you know it, we got signed on and you know, the rest

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is history, you made that, you know, the two songs became a huge hit.

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So it was because of your tenure at Rediffusion that kick, your band kick got a shot as a

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recording artist.

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Yeah.

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It's one thing leads to another, right?

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So you just, they always say, just look out for the signs, you know, the doors open, take,

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go through the door.

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One thing leads to another.

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And this was actually what happened for me as well.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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What a story, man.

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What a story.

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So since you wear so many hats, you say, when people ask you, so John, what do you do?

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Correct me if I'm wrong.

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If I read this wrong, what you said earlier on, um, songwriter, singer, songwriter, that's

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what you would say.

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Yeah.

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I usually start off with that.

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I said, well, you know, you may have heard me on radio as well.

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You may have heard me on radio.

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You're kidding me, man.

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Okay.

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So with these hats that you wear, let me just confirm this.

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Radio DJ, singer, songwriter, performer.

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Yeah.

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Which one could be a no brainer question, but let's start small.

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Which one brought you the most joy?

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Well, absolutely.

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Obviously it's going to be singing, performing, right?

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Uh, that's, that's the thing that always brings me.

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That's why I always look at that being the thing I want to eventually, you know, sort

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of, and I say eventually because I feel I've not really achieved what I, you know, as a

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singer songwriter have achieved yet, right?

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What do you want to achieve?

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I want to achieve a number one hit song in the US charts.

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I've just, I've just finished my album by the way.

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So I'm pretty excited about that.

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I've set up my final song for, for mix.

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So that's going to be released in the next few months.

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Well, congratulations.

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Thank you.

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And that's, I think I'm really proud of this album because I think everything I wanted

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to kind of do or say in my music is finally done in this album.

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Because previously I've used to do songs, you know, for projects.

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All right.

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So the movie soundtrack, Teenage textbook was mainly for that project.

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So the sound and everything was, you know, in line with that this time, right.

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It took me a long, it took me years, decades to figure out who is John Klaas as an artist,

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right?

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What to record my own music just for myself, release an album, which I never got to do

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until right now, an album full of the songs that just represent me as an artist.

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So these are originals, right?

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You wrote them.

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Originals.

280
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Yeah, absolutely.

281
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Yeah.

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So what genre would that be in?

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Yeah.

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And then the other thing, I was always going to be pop music because, you know, that's

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what I love, commercial music.

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Right.

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And because I was also always in radio, I can't identify hooks and all that stuff.

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And so I always tend to write those kinds of songs, which is radio, you know, type songs,

289
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right?

290
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Right.

291
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So what I did was in 2020, I started putting out some songs.

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I did an EP of three songs and I was fortunate enough that the radio station, Class 95, allowed

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me to actually, you know, put those songs on air as well.

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And from there, I could kind of gauge listeners' kind of response to what they liked.

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Right.

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So one was a ballad and then another one was a kick, a reboot of Jane, which was a big

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hit song.

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Yeah.

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And then the third one was sort of a new song, which was, what you call that, sort of a little

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bit of throwback, a little bit of modern sort of sound.

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It's called Ballad.

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And people responded to that the most, right?

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And so I said, okay, I'm going to go in that direction.

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So for the rest of the album, I kind of did, you know-

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Ballads.

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Not ballads as in a ballad.

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The song's called Ballad, but it's the way it's done, right?

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So it's a little bit of a throwback sort of sound, but with a new sort of sensibility

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as well, a new sound, you know, sensibility.

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So when music is concerned, specifically music, now that I know the story of how you

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actually end up on the airwaves as a DJ, specific to music, I mean, we've known each other a

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long time.

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Yeah, in school.

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Back in school, man.

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Let me tell you my, let me tell you my, my impression.

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All right.

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Though we knew each other from school, from the school days, early years, I only started

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taking notice of you because you sang on stage.

319
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Yeah.

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Talent time.

321
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Talent time, right?

322
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I think I was singing on stage as well for that one.

323
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Can't remember it though, but anyway.

324
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And I was so impressed, man.

325
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Really?

326
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Wow, cool.

327
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That was when I called you.

328
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

329
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Right?

330
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Called you up and I was so impressed by your singing.

331
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And I said, you know, we've got to get into a band.

332
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Yeah.

333
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And as we did for a bit.

334
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The first band I ever had was with Chris Henson, man.

335
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Was that really the first band?

336
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Yeah.

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You know, no one else thought of asking me to be in a band before that.

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You remember that Sean DeMello was also with us.

339
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

340
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That's right.

341
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Sean DeMello, you, me, a Thai guy named Apivath.

342
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Apivath, yeah.

343
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That's right.

344
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Yeah.

345
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And we had a drummer, Alvin.

346
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And a keyboardist as well.

347
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Yeah, yeah.

348
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Yeah.

349
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A keyboardist was...

350
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Geez, I forgot his name.

351
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You wrote them in, so he was your friend, man.

352
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Erwin.

353
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Erwin, yeah.

354
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Yeah, Erwin, Erwin.

355
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Erwin.

356
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All right.

357
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Yeah, he became a pro pianist.

358
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Oh, yeah.

359
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I wouldn't...

360
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Yeah.

361
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Yeah, this guy was good, yeah.

362
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So it was quite a good band actually for as long as it lasted.

363
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Yeah.

364
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We never got into gigs though, but then again, you know, it was quite fun.

365
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Yeah, we were in school.

366
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Yeah, we were in school.

367
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Yeah.

368
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And it was just fun to do, huh?

369
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Yeah.

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But it was then at that time that I really...

371
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It perked me up.

372
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I went, oh wow.

373
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Right.

374
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Really, man.

375
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I mean, I was quite blown away, you know?

376
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Right.

377
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Thanks for saying.

378
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No worries.

379
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As I said, last week, oh, last...

380
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I can't say last week.

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Among the tributes that I've given for this season, Aliyah Sharma, Aliyah Dee.

382
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Yeah.

383
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And he's here in my studio.

384
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We sang, yeah.

385
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All right.

386
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Okay.

387
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And I'm going to say this to you, man.

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You know, I will not and I do not give tribute so easily to just about anyone.

389
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Right.

390
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Yeah.

391
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And you're here in the studio and this is our tribute to you.

392
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Thank you so much.

393
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I appreciate that.

394
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And it's an iconic music in Singapore.

395
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Yeah.

396
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And I really, really hope your dream comes true, man.

397
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Well, yeah, you know, I'm hoping that too before I go.

398
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Yeah.

399
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I mean, one last thing.

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One off the bucket list.

401
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I really feel like this is the final thing I need to get done in my life because everything

402
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else more or less, I mean, family life has always been the most important for me.

403
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Yeah.

404
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Yeah.

405
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Having a really good family that, you know, I can really enjoy being, you know, part of.

406
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I think that I've done that.

407
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I'm really proud of that as a person.

408
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And the next thing is going to be this.

409
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Yeah.

410
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With what I've done radio as well, I'm really, you know, also really proud of some of the

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stuff I've managed to achieve.

412
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But now it's the music, right?

413
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So that's the final thing.

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I've got the next 30 years to do so.

415
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Whoa, 30 years, man.

416
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Yeah.

417
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I'm giving myself 30 years to enjoy it, you know.

418
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Okay.

419
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Yeah.

420
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Okay.

421
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I'm glad you're looking at life from that perspective.

422
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30 years, man.

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You know, I saw Paul Anker at 82 years old just last year, early last year.

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And I was wondering before I went in, I was like, would he be able to sing and dance and

425
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have that same voice?

426
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How do you do?

427
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Fantastic.

428
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And he was there for two hours and he did four or five encore songs and he was jumping

429
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and doing leg lifts at the encores, right?

430
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So that shows you at 82, you can still be the top of your game singing and performing

431
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to a global audience, right?

432
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Not that we're talking about someone that, I mean, is an inspiration to everyone who

433
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saw him perform like you, right?

434
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Paul Anker.

435
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Some of the people, who are some of the people who've influenced you, your music?

436
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Well, George Michael, big influence, you know, early on.

437
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I was thinking some, anyone closer to home.

438
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So anyone at all, maybe family or friends.

439
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Oh, right.

440
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Who really influenced you or even mentored you.

441
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Was there anyone like that?

442
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No, not, not musically.

443
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No, that's, that's yeah.

444
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I've never had a sort of mentor.

445
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Holy shit.

446
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You mean to be going on your own all this while?

447
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Yeah.

448
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Yeah.

449
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I've always been going on my own.

450
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I found everything on my own.

451
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I bought books on singing on my own as well.

452
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Yeah.

453
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And then discovery, right?

454
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As you do it, the good thing about it is let's say you're doing it on the job as well.

455
00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:07,600
Yeah.

456
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You know, in radio, you get to learn how to use your voice every single day.

457
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You're on radio.

458
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You're always doing something different.

459
00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:13,560
Yeah.

460
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Learning something new, right?

461
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With how you use your voice and with singing as well.

462
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And now I also do this, you know, sort of Facebook live, you know, once a week now,

463
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I get to sing as well.

464
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So that helps, you know, in, because every time you do something, you just understand

465
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it better and you get better at it as well.

466
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You're sharpening your hands.

467
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Yeah.

468
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Right.

469
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Yeah.

470
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You're doing things and now there's so many resources on YouTube about, you know, different

471
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various singers giving you tips and stuff.

472
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Yeah.

473
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And you're just watching those things and taking in and trying it out.

474
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And then whatever works for you, you keep and whatever doesn't, you just throw it away,

475
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right?

476
00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:44,960
Interestingly, you said George Michael, man.

477
00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:45,960
Yeah.

478
00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:46,960
George Michael.

479
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Yeah.

480
00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:48,960
Okay.

481
00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:49,960
What about George Michael?

482
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George Michael, I think he's the fantastic singer songwriter, right?

483
00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:51,960
Yeah.

484
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Great songs.

485
00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:53,960
He knows how to write great pop songs.

486
00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:54,960
Yeah.

487
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He has this sort of quality in his voice.

488
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He knows how to deliver the songs.

489
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So I've always, you know, listened to every everything he did.

490
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Duran Duran was a big influence in terms of music arrangement, The Beatles as well.

491
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Obviously I used to listen just to hear how they arrange the music and you know, what

492
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made it so wonderful.

493
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And then more recently, because I'm getting an age, my role models, I must say, are like

494
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Tom Jones, you know, the older guys who have proven that age is just a number.

495
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Yeah.

496
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Voice is still there.

497
00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:27,760
You know, Tony Bennett, don't you think?

498
00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:28,760
Well, Tony Bennett.

499
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Before he died.

500
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:30,760
Yeah.

501
00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:31,760
You know, these guys were still doing it, right?

502
00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:32,760
Yeah, they were still doing it.

503
00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:33,760
Top of their game as well.

504
00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:34,760
Their voice did not deteriorate.

505
00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:35,760
They did not allow their voices to deteriorate.

506
00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:36,760
They still could perform.

507
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They were performers.

508
00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:42,320
So yeah, you know, these days I find myself giving myself that, okay, you know, you're

509
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not too old.

510
00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,160
You can still do this because a lot of people will tell you, yeah, you're this age.

511
00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,640
You know, forget that dream, man.

512
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,960
But don't you think as a vocalist, man, you lose something?

513
00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:51,960
Not at all.

514
00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:52,960
I used to think that.

515
00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,720
I've personally felt I've gotten better as a vocalist, you know, I've just recorded,

516
00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,600
you know, my 10 songs for the album and I'm listening back.

517
00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,840
I sound a whole lot better now than I did in my youth, right?

518
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,440
And yeah, and that's because of understanding, you know, the more you go and the more you

519
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,640
put into your craft, the better you get at it.

520
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,280
Once you stop, that's when everything, you know, deteriorates.

521
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,120
Maybe the sun sounds a lot like me.

522
00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:20,120
So never stop, right?

523
00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:21,120
Just keep going.

524
00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:22,120
Yeah.

525
00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:28,760
And for me personally, I realized a little late, I can't do some of the stuff I used

526
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,480
to be able to do in my youth.

527
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:31,480
Yeah.

528
00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,280
And that's just because you've not tapped into those areas for a long time.

529
00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:36,280
Is it?

530
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:37,280
That's what I've learned, right?

531
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,880
I think I've lost it completely.

532
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:39,880
No, no, you've not.

533
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:40,880
You've not.

534
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:41,880
Believe me.

535
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:47,080
You know, it's a matter of just going back into that space.

536
00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:51,360
When it comes to vocals, it's also a lot of times you're not tapping into various sort

537
00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:52,360
of range.

538
00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:53,360
Your vocal strands.

539
00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:54,360
Your vocal strands.

540
00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:55,360
Your range as well.

541
00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:56,360
You're not going into that range which you used to before.

542
00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:57,360
Yeah.

543
00:19:57,360 --> 00:20:00,840
And then also what you've learned about your voice could have changed the way you've actually

544
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,520
using it right now as well in singing, right?

545
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,840
So singing and speech, two different things as well.

546
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:06,840
You use it, right?

547
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:07,840
Yeah.

548
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,520
So yeah, all those things, I'm fortunate because I get to do this every day, right?

549
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,480
And that's why I still do what I do because it keeps me, you know, on my toes.

550
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:20,040
It keeps me doing, you know, what I do with my voice because it leads to other things

551
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,040
as well.

552
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,600
So now that you've got this bucket list, this one item on the bucket list you need to check

553
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:31,040
off and have a hit in the US, is there anything else?

554
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:37,160
For example, any collaboration of anyone you've always hoped to work with but haven't had

555
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,280
the chance to pursue?

556
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,280
Collaboration at this point.

557
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,360
I love working with various artists.

558
00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:44,880
So that's, you know, anybody-

559
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:45,880
A dream collaboration.

560
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:46,880
Not right now.

561
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,440
I would have said it was George Michael, but that's obviously too late.

562
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:51,440
Kermit the Frog though, I wouldn't mind.

563
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,840
He's one of my role models by the way.

564
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,040
Kermit and Mickey Mouse, my role models growing up.

565
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,040
Yeah.

566
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,040
Really?

567
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,040
Over the rainbow.

568
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:00,040
Over the rainbow.

569
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,040
I still sing that song.

570
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,040
In fact, we still play that in gold as well.

571
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,880
Every time we play that, it's like, oh yes.

572
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:04,880
The Kermit version.

573
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:05,880
The Kermit version, man.

574
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:06,880
Yes.

575
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:07,880
Sitting on a water lily and a banjo.

576
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:08,880
Why are there so many songs about rainbows?

577
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:09,880
What's on the other side?

578
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:10,880
Tell me about Kick.

579
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:11,880
All right.

580
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:12,880
You know, they were like, I'm going to do a kick.

581
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:13,880
I'm going to do a kick.

582
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:14,880
I'm going to do a kick.

583
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:15,880
I'm going to do a kick.

584
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:20,640
Tell me about Kick.

585
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:25,080
Those are the years where I haven't really been in touch with you.

586
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,920
The years when you had the band and Jane was out.

587
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,760
Of course, obviously out there in the public sphere, I see, this is what John is doing.

588
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:34,760
John's up to.

589
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:35,760
He's got his band Kick.

590
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:36,760
He's got his song.

591
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,920
It's a pretty nice song though at that time.

592
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,360
But I don't know the story behind Kick.

593
00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:44,360
How did that happen?

594
00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:45,360
All right.

595
00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:49,240
Like I said, so I was in the army at that point and in the army, I did a lot of singing

596
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,600
there as well because our CEO loved music.

597
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,520
So I was attached to this Sing Singapore sort of division in the particular army.

598
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,840
So that's basically what I did during my NS days.

599
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,360
You didn't end up in music and drama company?

600
00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:04,240
I did so only during Reservist.

601
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,240
And that's another story altogether.

602
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,240
Reservist?

603
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,240
Yeah, Reservist, you know, I ended up doing music and drama.

604
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,240
Usually it's the other way around.

605
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,840
Yeah, usually it's the other way around.

606
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:12,840
Right.

607
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:19,080
Anyway, so right after I ROD, I used to sing a lot.

608
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:26,480
So this band from the army who are regulars had a gig to do for one of the army, you know,

609
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,480
sort of DNDs, right?

610
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,480
Right.

611
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,640
At a hotel.

612
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,800
So they had a band together and they said, hey, John, would you want to come and sing

613
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:33,800
with us?

614
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:34,800
Right.

615
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:35,800
Because I just ROD.

616
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:36,800
I said, yeah, okay, why not?

617
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:37,800
Right.

618
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,640
So we did, we went out and did this one show.

619
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,960
And right after the show, we had a few of these guys saying, hey, we want to form a

620
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:51,080
band and to record music and, you know, do all that stuff, right?

621
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,080
Form a band mainly.

622
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,360
But I always wanted to write original songs, sing original songs.

623
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:56,360
Right.

624
00:22:56,360 --> 00:23:00,840
So there were two or three guys who were interested and then we put out an ad on Big O magazine.

625
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:01,840
Remember Big O magazine?

626
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:02,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

627
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:03,840
Big O.

628
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,120
So Big O magazine put out an ad, we were looking for keyboardists, guitarists, and we already

629
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:10,300
had a drummer and stuff.

630
00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:17,560
So anyway, a few guys responded to this ad and we said, okay, let's do a rehearsal, you

631
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,080
know, and let's get together.

632
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,080
Right.

633
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,200
So the keyboardist said, well, I know I've got a space in my home where I have a whole

634
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,280
band equipment thing, you know, why not you come over?

635
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,280
Right.

636
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,280
So we went over to this guy's place.

637
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,940
I met up, so only four of us turned up.

638
00:23:30,940 --> 00:23:35,600
So it's myself, this guitarist that I met from this army band, and then these two other

639
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,360
guys who are new joiners, right, from Big O magazine.

640
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:39,360
Right.

641
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,120
So while we're jamming, everybody was saying, you know, I wrote this song and then we're

642
00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:43,360
all jamming our own songs.

643
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,080
Hey, I got this song, I got this song.

644
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,560
Everybody was listening to each other's songs.

645
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,280
And then we all got excited about, you know, wow, yeah, this sounds great.

646
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,480
We could do this, we can do that.

647
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,640
All of a sudden, while we, you know, three of us were talking about these songs, the

648
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,440
guy, the guitarist who was from the army band slowly just packed his things and walked away.

649
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,240
So why not really into original music?

650
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,400
I like to play covers, right?

651
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,400
Right.

652
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,760
So he walked off and was left with Jay, myself, Dinesh, which was kick.

653
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,260
And then we realized that we both, all shared, actually all three of us shared that passion

654
00:24:12,260 --> 00:24:14,440
for writing a version of music and recording, right?

655
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,200
And that's how kick actually started out.

656
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,200
Okay.

657
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,320
And then I told you the rest, how we got into, you know, meeting with the record label and

658
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,320
everything.

659
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:26,160
So, yeah, so once we got that recorded, we spent one month in the studio, once we got

660
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,760
our record deal, which was incredible as well.

661
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,440
We went to the office and on that afternoon itself, we got signed, right?

662
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:39,880
The MD heard our songs and he said, okay, you guys, let's put this on paper.

663
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:40,880
Right?

664
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,980
And it's like, what is happening like crazy fast, right?

665
00:24:44,980 --> 00:24:48,040
So we signed it and within the afternoon I came out, I was like, wow, I can't believe

666
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,000
I'm recording artists, right?

667
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,080
So it was sometime when we signed on, I think it was August.

668
00:24:54,080 --> 00:25:00,680
And then in December we went, we block booked the whole studio, form records, the record

669
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,560
company blocked it off.

670
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,120
And we recorded the whole album in a month, right?

671
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:09,540
We got this producer, co-produced it from Australia.

672
00:25:09,540 --> 00:25:14,960
And first single we released on a compilation, just to put it out there was freedom, which

673
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,260
is the song I wrote and got radio airplay, right?

674
00:25:18,260 --> 00:25:20,120
And that did pretty good.

675
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:23,760
And then when we released the album, they put out Jane and that's when it just, you

676
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,460
know, took off radio, picked up on it.

677
00:25:25,460 --> 00:25:30,720
That one radio really helped in a great way because 90, sorry, perfect 10 at that point.

678
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,800
They were playing it like nonstop almost once every hour, right?

679
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:40,080
So when we started to perform in like in malls, you know, doing our promotions shows, people

680
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,880
had come up to us and says, I had no idea that it was a local band doing that song,

681
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:44,880
right?

682
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:45,880
I love that song so much.

683
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:46,880
I had no idea it was a local band, right?

684
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,080
So that was basically the sort of strategy the record label was taking not to put it

685
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,080
out so much.

686
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,080
It was local band.

687
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,160
It was just music in general.

688
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,960
And yeah, before you knew it, it took off in that sort of way.

689
00:25:58,960 --> 00:25:59,960
Okay.

690
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:03,440
And then kick went on for how long?

691
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,520
Not too long.

692
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,360
So it ended off as quickly as it came about.

693
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:08,360
What happened?

694
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:09,360
What happened?

695
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:10,360
Yeah.

696
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:13,320
So, you know, by the time we had released that album, we did a few shows.

697
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:18,520
We did huge shows in KL and, and, and in, in J, sorry, was it Malacca?

698
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,960
Really, really like 40,000, 60,000 people turned up for those shows.

699
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:22,960
Yeah.

700
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,920
It's one of those shows that they have in, they use the car parks, you know, of these

701
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:32,160
malls to do the shows, which fantastic Christmas Eve, New Year's Eve.

702
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,040
And, and it was well received.

703
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,160
So record label says, okay, we're going to send you to, to London to record your next

704
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,160
album, right?

705
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,840
With a producer that we chose.

706
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,380
And we actually, Jai and myself, actually Dinesh had, had to go off to study.

707
00:26:46,380 --> 00:26:49,320
So he was not involved in that process.

708
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,960
And Jai and I went to London, recorded the album and really excited because the songs

709
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,800
were produced so much better than the first album.

710
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,960
And before you knew, when we came back, the Asian financial crisis had struck.

711
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,960
97, 98.

712
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,200
Yeah, that's right.

713
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,240
And that's when the record label had to pull out.

714
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,960
So we never released that album.

715
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,920
We never got released.

716
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,240
Never got released that album, right?

717
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,920
So that's when we were like, oh my goodness.

718
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,440
And that's when I went and joined 987 full time.

719
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,880
They pulled me in at that point.

720
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,560
So yeah, so I made that transition, you know, lost the band.

721
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:23,840
No, hang on a second, hang on a second.

722
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,880
So that London trip you guys made.

723
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,920
And to you, I mean, obviously you're in London, right?

724
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:36,600
And the kind of producers you got and the sound engineers that you got there, working

725
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,960
on your stuff is going to be like ace, man.

726
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:39,960
It was great.

727
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:40,960
It was the stuff that, you know, take that was-

728
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,880
And then you never got fucking released.

729
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,880
Never got released.

730
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:44,880
So what happened to that album now?

731
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,680
I mean, is it still collecting dust somewhere?

732
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,680
Yeah.

733
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:48,680
So, okay.

734
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,660
So the thing about it was because it was stopped halfway, we only had, I think, half the songs

735
00:27:52,660 --> 00:27:57,360
back from the producer because he only mixed half the songs because he claimed he only

736
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:01,920
got paid half the bill because the record, you know, producer pulled, sorry, the record

737
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,920
label pulled out.

738
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,920
Right.

739
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,080
So we only had, well, half, five songs back, I think at that point.

740
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,480
And I managed to get those five songs and basically just kept it and we couldn't-

741
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,000
And you don't want to release it on your own as an independent?

742
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,640
Well, at this point, I don't think it's, you know, any point doing it because it's, you

743
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,840
know, it's like, what, in the nineties, it's still that nineties sound.

744
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,600
And they sound like a little boy.

745
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,600
Oh, come on.

746
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:25,600
Come on.

747
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,600
How can you say that?

748
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:27,600
Nineties sound.

749
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,600
Look, look, look, I'm going to be point blank again about this topic.

750
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,480
You know, I mean, I've said, I've talked about this all the time.

751
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,080
Nineties sound today, listen to Dua Lipa.

752
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

753
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,080
Reminds you of the nineties?

754
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,080
Obviously, obviously.

755
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,080
Bruno Mars.

756
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,080
Why does he still survive?

757
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,080
Yeah, yeah.

758
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,080
Or not?

759
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,080
Throwback.

760
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,080
A lot of throwbacks.

761
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,080
Thriving, still throwing back.

762
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,080
Right?

763
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,560
I mean, I mean, there's nothing wrong with nineties music.

764
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,380
I think a lot of young people today also attest to the fact that music was so much more fun

765
00:28:57,380 --> 00:28:58,720
in the eighties and the nineties.

766
00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,720
Absolutely.

767
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,720
Yeah.

768
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,720
Yeah.

769
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,360
And of course, I mean, yeah, I concur completely as well, together with you.

770
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,360
Yeah.

771
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,920
And now you've got some nineties sound being released today.

772
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,920
For all you know, it might just be quite a hit.

773
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,920
Yeah, it might be.

774
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,200
You know, if there's, I guess, interest in it, you know, I would think about it.

775
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,600
Yeah, I mean, if there's no legalities governing this thing, I mean, why not?

776
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,960
You and Jai, just you two guys did the work for it.

777
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:23,960
Yeah.

778
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:24,960
Yeah.

779
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,560
If there's nothing that's stopping you in terms of ownership.

780
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:28,560
Yeah.

781
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,880
I mean, think about this.

782
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,600
You've got your album.

783
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,600
This is just top of the head.

784
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,040
I'm just talking cock at the moment.

785
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,040
Right, right, right.

786
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,040
See whether it makes sense.

787
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,680
You've got your new album you're releasing soon.

788
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,040
You have this dream of reaching, you know, the American charts, right?

789
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:51,440
And then you've got five to six fucking songs.

790
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,440
From the vault.

791
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,440
Yeah.

792
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,040
Worked and produced in freaking London.

793
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,040
Yeah.

794
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,040
And it's not been released.

795
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,040
I mean.

796
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,040
Yeah, I know, I know.

797
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,040
Yeah.

798
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,040
It sounds like, you know, it's an opportunity.

799
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,840
I mean colloquially, man, it's like damn fucking sayang, right?

800
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:04,840
Yeah, it is.

801
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:05,840
It is.

802
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:06,840
It is.

803
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,120
I've had a few people actually ask me even, you know, to put it on, on, on, you know,

804
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,640
the streaming platforms and stuff.

805
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,800
And I've thought about it obviously and, but you know, as an artist as well, sometimes

806
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,600
you're listening and say, well, you know, my voice sounds like I'm like, you know, adolescent

807
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:21,600
kid.

808
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,240
You take the original stuff that you've got, you've got, it's your stuff.

809
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,680
I don't have your, I mean, we have the only the sound recordings.

810
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,680
We don't have the actual.

811
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,680
Okay, okay.

812
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:29,680
Record it again.

813
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

814
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:32,960
Record it again.

815
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,960
Don't change the 90 sound.

816
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:34,960
Yeah.

817
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:35,960
But record it again.

818
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:36,960
Right, right.

819
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:37,960
You sing it again.

820
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,960
Yeah, yeah.

821
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,960
John today.

822
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,960
Yeah, yeah.

823
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,040
John's vocals today.

824
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,040
And do it again.

825
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,040
Yeah, yeah.

826
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,160
I mean, I mean, you're almost not released yet.

827
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,000
So who knows?

828
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,280
You have an additional five to six new songs added to whatever you're releasing.

829
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,280
Yeah.

830
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:58,160
And I think it's going to be quite refreshing because it seems to me now a lot more than

831
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,240
90 sound is coming back.

832
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,240
It is, it is.

833
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,240
People have throwbacks, right?

834
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,240
Yeah.

835
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,240
Right.

836
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,920
So, you know, I don't see what's, what's so bad about that, man.

837
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,200
For all you know, you, this is going to be some revival of some sort.

838
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,200
Yeah.

839
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,640
You're going to take up, you're going to take advantage of it.

840
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,480
I think it's going to be, I think it's a great idea.

841
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:20,240
No, I actually think, I mean, since speaking to you, that just releasing it in its original

842
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,800
form, you know, because it just was a point of our time, our lives, you know, the second

843
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,400
album of Kick following the first album and then just remembering it for, for what it

844
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,000
was could be it as well, right?

845
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,760
This is the last recordings of Kick, you know, from the 90s or whatever.

846
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:35,760
Yeah.

847
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:36,760
You could just put it out anyway.

848
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,760
Yeah.

849
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,760
Yeah.

850
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,760
Yeah.

851
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:40,760
Why not?

852
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:41,760
Because it's a whole package.

853
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,760
Right.

854
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,760
Compared to John Claus, as you said in your own words, I sound like a kid back then.

855
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:46,760
Yeah.

856
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,760
Yeah.

857
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,760
Today you're the whole package.

858
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:49,760
I mean, think about this.

859
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,120
You're a celebrity, your personality on radio, you're a celebrity, no doubt.

860
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,120
Right.

861
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,120
Yeah.

862
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,120
And I'm happy for you, man.

863
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,120
Thank you.

864
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,120
We've known each other for a long time.

865
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,560
I've got a lot of celebrity friends.

866
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,800
And I mean, I'm, I'm not a celebrity at all.

867
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:02,800
I'm like you guys.

868
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,800
People know you though.

869
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,800
Everybody knows Chris.

870
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,800
Even in school, people knew who Chris Henson was.

871
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:08,800
Oh boy.

872
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,800
This, this, this, okay.

873
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,800
Nevermind.

874
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:11,800
I'm not going to go there.

875
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,800
This show's not about, this, this episode's not about me.

876
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,800
It's about you.

877
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,880
Uh, and you know, um, you've got, you, you had a whole package now.

878
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:25,120
You, you're a celebrity, you're on radio on air almost every day.

879
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,040
You're a songwriter, as you said, and you are, you're a singer.

880
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,440
You have albums put out there.

881
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,280
You got another album coming out.

882
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,920
And then on top of that, there is also a line called John Claus suits.

883
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:36,920
Yeah, that's right.

884
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,920
What's the story of that, man?

885
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,840
It's also a battery connection right there.

886
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:42,840
Yeah.

887
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:43,840
Okay.

888
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:44,840
Yeah.

889
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:45,840
So, you know, um, Suresh Mocchan, right?

890
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:46,840
Oh boy.

891
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:47,840
Yeah.

892
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,120
So one day I, I walked, he's still jumping.

893
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,600
He's still exactly the same.

894
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,600
Talk about somebody can talk forever.

895
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,600
He can talk forever.

896
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,600
Yeah.

897
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:57,600
He's an entertainer himself.

898
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:58,600
So, uh, yeah.

899
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:04,000
So one day I was looking for, for, you know, sort of bespoke suits as well.

900
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,600
My wife said, why not go to Far East?

901
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,280
You know, let's check out the suits over there.

902
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,320
And she remembers walking by this shop, right?

903
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,320
Around the second floor.

904
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,160
She says, where this guy is always sitting out there is very friendly.

905
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,000
He's always saying hi and says, yeah, I mean, I think it's around this area.

906
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,560
So we started walking by and then she said, I think it's this shop.

907
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,240
I remember seeing, you know, this guy, but he was not there at that point.

908
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,120
So we just walked into the shop and I was inquiring about suits.

909
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,120
Right?

910
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,120
So all of a sudden I'm nowhere.

911
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,120
Suresh walks in and says, Hey brother.

912
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,120
It's like, Hey man, you from St. Pat's, right?

913
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,120
Yeah.

914
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,120
You know, what are you doing?

915
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,120
Yeah.

916
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,120
So I'm trying to make a suit.

917
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:41,440
So I made a suit and I liked what he did.

918
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,840
And then we started talking, say, you know, I've always wanted to do this and, you know,

919
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,880
make my own suits and I love that look and stuff.

920
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,280
So we decided to run a business together.

921
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,280
He knows the suit business.

922
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,280
Yeah.

923
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,280
I wanted to do a specific style.

924
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,680
So it became a John Klaas suits sort of business with him.

925
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,600
So he became a, so he suggested the idea, I suppose.

926
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:01,600
Yeah.

927
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:02,600
Absolutely.

928
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,600
Absolutely.

929
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,600
He's got to be Suresh.

930
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,600
Yeah.

931
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,600
Okay.

932
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,200
So that's how John Klaas suits came about.

933
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,200
Yeah.

934
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,200
Yeah.

935
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,320
But anyway, I got to say, man, after that, to me, me is watching all that happening,

936
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,320
right?

937
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,320
Right.

938
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,880
It's like, okay, now John's come into his own.

939
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,600
He's got John Klaas suits now.

940
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:20,600
Right.

941
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:21,600
Right.

942
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,080
And then I saw snippets of your concert.

943
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,080
Oh, right.

944
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,080
Yeah.

945
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,080
Yeah.

946
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,080
That's right.

947
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,080
2017.

948
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,080
Yeah.

949
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,080
I mean, and this one got me.

950
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,080
This one really got me.

951
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,080
Can we play that one, please?

952
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,080
Oh, really?

953
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,080
Okay.

954
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,080
This one got me.

955
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,080
This one got me.

956
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,080
Okay.

957
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,080
Yeah, we'd like to play a clip of you.

958
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,080
Okay.

959
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,080
You've got a clip?

960
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,080
Yeah.

961
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,080
Let's play this for a bit.

962
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,080
Some say love is holding on.

963
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,080
Some say letting go.

964
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:55,080
Some say love is everything and some say they don't know.

965
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,080
They don't know

966
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:05,560
Perhaps love is like the ocean full of conflict, full of change

967
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,800
Like a fire when it's cold outside

968
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,280
Or thunder when it rains

969
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,120
If I should live forever

970
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,320
And all my dreams come true

971
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,320
The memories of love will be of you

972
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,320
The memories of love will be of you

973
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:41,320
The memories of love will be of you

974
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,320
You

975
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:54,560
Now this is the bit that I felt was really freaking silo man

976
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,460
This bit believe it or not. Would I'm walk it out? Yeah

977
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,940
No, no, no, don't get me the wrong way man

978
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:07,400
That exit man exit was like star freaking quality exit

979
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,800
And and and looking at you on that stage

980
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,840
There's one thing that hit me I mean John's arrived right Wow, okay

981
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,960
No, really because because I'm gonna say this. Yeah, I mean, I don't give a fuck, you know, I'll say things very

982
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:29,120
That we're not wanting to be disrespectful. Right? Right. Yeah when kick came out to me Jane was nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

983
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,120
I didn't write it though. So yeah

984
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:37,560
I didn't like the song personally

985
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,920
And it was to me it was great he's got he's he's got a man

986
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,340
His albums out, you know, yeah, or the band's albums out, you know

987
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,900
Great Johnson air you great. Yeah, you know

988
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,880
so

989
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,880
but

990
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,160
Didn't impress me. Yeah

991
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,160
Then when I saw that right everyone fucking hell, right? Yeah, that's

992
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,120
John

993
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,120
No arrived. Yeah, and

994
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,760
that

995
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,760
reminded me of

996
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,760
that verve

997
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:19,680
You had when I first saw you perform in school, right? Right. Okay all those years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah that was

998
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,240
That to me that hit me then right? Yeah, this one

999
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:32,320
This one hit me when it came out, right? Yep, you know, and I mean what the fuck you know

1000
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:38,560
That there's so much in it. Right? There's so much in that. I mean everything was so well

1001
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:44,360
Well planned well organized. Look at your players man. Yeah, the owing John Klaas suits, by the way

1002
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,200
I'm not surprised

1003
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,880
And then you guys were in a car, oh, yeah

1004
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,360
You saw that on the carpool caracay saying that in the car. You had a band in the car

1005
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:01,080
Yeah, and you know, they were also hyped. Yeah, you know and you got a female drummer. Yeah

1006
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,880
Yeah, and she's a real good drummer as well. Yeah and and and your voice you're right

1007
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,540
The way you perform now the way you sing the way perform

1008
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:18,280
So much better. Hmm, dude, it was that was a bomb. Great. Thanks. I appreciate that

1009
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:23,960
I actually played that like five times. I hate well prepping for the for today's episode, right?

1010
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,420
Right, and I kept watching it. I go Wow

1011
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,960
Now this guy's got it, you know, and the way you ended that performance man. Oh

1012
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:34,320
Cool

1013
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,640
No, well done mate. Really? Thanks. Thanks to me to me to me

1014
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:45,120
You've arrived, you know, you're there and I'm really I really hope that your new album is gonna fly off the shelves

1015
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:51,820
I mean nowadays you can't say metaphorically speak. Yeah, yeah, not literally flying off the shelves anymore these days. Everything's digital, right?

1016
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:58,280
Yeah, it's gonna go on digital platforms, right? I suppose. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So first of all, thanks for saying that and and

1017
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:04,200
Everything you said is exactly how I felt as well because I've always felt that whatever I did in the past

1018
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:10,560
Was not really me. That's and that's why I said that right? It was not really represented of me as an artist

1019
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,800
Yeah, I was just doing stuff because you know, it was available to me was stuff I was being asked to do and

1020
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:21,680
Finally, I then sat down one day and said, okay, what am I really as an artist? Who am I? Right? Yeah

1021
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,620
what song should I be singing and who should I be putting out and

1022
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:32,760
Eventually after all that the concert was I think the first of that sort of incarnation. Okay, this is gonna be me

1023
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:38,200
Yeah, right. Yeah, and this is what I am about and the concert was the first thing

1024
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:46,520
Yeah, and everything else since then it's has started. Okay. So as a performer, yeah in terms of genre you said pop music

1025
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,360
Yeah, that's what your album is based on commercial music. Yeah, but personally man

1026
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,240
Your you

1027
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:57,360
Well, they join Denver song I would consider pop music. Well, yeah, okay

1028
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:04,160
Yeah pop music with a way you presented it right right. It didn't feel like it didn't feel like a John Denver song, right?

1029
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,440
Right. Okay. Okay. You know what? I mean, right? Yeah, it was different

1030
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:15,060
Yeah, I know it's a John Denver song, but it didn't come out and present it that way, right? Um, so what sort of?

1031
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:18,240
What sort of genre do you really really love?

1032
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,440
that

1033
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,760
You're gonna say pop again. Okay, so I guess I see you as a ballad here. Yeah

1034
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,320
Yeah, that's exactly what my wife has been saying all these years, right? So I was I'm a guy

1035
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,060
I'm okay. I'm like Richard Marks, right?

1036
00:40:32,060 --> 00:40:36,480
I love that sort of Richard Marks when he first came out with all that guitar driven type songs

1037
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,520
Eventually became Ballad Man

1038
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,360
I'm not sure if you actually watch that concert where he actually started to only do ballads, which I hate it

1039
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:48,520
And but that's what people liked about you know, a Critchett Marks, right? You're waiting and then now and forever

1040
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:53,160
I'll be your man. I really always consider those songs be like sappy sappy sappy sappy, right?

1041
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,120
And my wife said no, that's when you exactly what you said, you know, that's what you do best

1042
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,180
Yeah, I think so and I always thought it was uncool. So

1043
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,880
Eventually, I embraced it. Okay. I said, okay, I think you know, I've come to a certain age

1044
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,960
And I think maybe there's some truth in that

1045
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,680
So when they did the concert, I realized people my friends, you know from school came to see it

1046
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,480
Also told me that that particular segment which was the love segment of the show

1047
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:22,120
Was their favorite right? And I was like, okay, man, you know, maybe that's what I'm gonna do

1048
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:27,940
So when I released my my first comeback sort of song for this era, it was an EP

1049
00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:31,200
I did a cover of a ballad which I read it on my own

1050
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,200
It was you know made popular by Anne Marie. It was called I just fall in love again fall in love again

1051
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:41,700
Yeah, so I didn't because I realized there was no cover done by a guy and I always love that song

1052
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:48,320
Yeah, so that you know recently I did that cover. Mm-hmm. And when I played on radio got to play on radio

1053
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:55,400
Finally someone texted me and said hey, you know, I've always wondered why there was no guys singing

1054
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,600
We're singing that song and so when I heard it on air

1055
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:03,280
I went to look for it in Spotify and I found out it was you right? I you know, Shazam did I said

1056
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,320
Oh, wow, you like it. See? Yeah, you know, I thought it's great in exactly what I always wanted

1057
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,420
You know was having a guy sing that you know song which which which is why I was looking so puzzled

1058
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,160
Right because when you said no guys done it before and I went really I thought I heard it before right?

1059
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,920
Okay, so you might have heard that you know, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yes. So take a listen if you can

1060
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,600
I will I will I mean I heard it before right right

1061
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,600
So when you brought this up because when I heard it it was on radio, right? Okay

1062
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:33,080
So you must have been listen, but I didn't know who it was right, right? Yeah, so now I know it's you

1063
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,080
Yeah, it's me. Yeah, okay

1064
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:42,260
No, guys the Carpenters did it, you know, and then Anne Marie did it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so Anne Marie made it big

1065
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:47,480
Yeah, hers with it was a big one. Yeah, I cried a tear. I wiped it dry. No, no, no, that was you needed me

1066
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:53,240
Oh, that's you needed me. This one is one. I must be dreaming. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah

1067
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,040
Yeah, sorry. Sorry. Yeah, I get confused. I'm an old age

1068
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:03,000
No, it's Anne Marie's basically one song sounds like the other but all great songs. Yeah, so when you had that concert

1069
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,940
What was your objective man? Well, I've always okay, so I've done shows

1070
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,520
You know and I've done like small shows and I've done

1071
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,420
Do a lot of private shows and I wanted to kind of put a marker down as okay

1072
00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:18,940
This is me being artists doing the songs. I want to do in my own style and on way, right?

1073
00:43:18,940 --> 00:43:24,060
So yeah, my wife is what we do actually we put out shows and stuff like that

1074
00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:27,940
She said let's let's do one and I so we gave it a shot

1075
00:43:27,940 --> 00:43:34,060
So okay first question was who would come right? What the hell would come because I've been known all this while as a DJ

1076
00:43:34,860 --> 00:43:39,660
I've not done music in a long time, you know, like in the public so who would come

1077
00:43:40,420 --> 00:43:44,340
So we had a recital studio at at what was that?

1078
00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:49,620
Esplanade so it's nice 200 cedar. I said, okay, let's try this out and we sold out

1079
00:43:49,620 --> 00:43:55,100
So that's you know, that was that was encouraging and I right after that concert

1080
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:59,940
We actually had planned a few more and then you know, Kovac it and then everything, you know stood still for a while

1081
00:43:59,940 --> 00:44:03,380
So so then I started working my album and then okay, so, you know

1082
00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:10,420
Finally done with that and yeah, I've seen I've seen guys like, you know friends like you and then I know Rumi to had one

1083
00:44:10,420 --> 00:44:16,380
As well. Yeah. Yeah Mendoza and I did ask myself this question. Well ballsy move man

1084
00:44:16,380 --> 00:44:21,880
Yeah, it is it is I would have thought the same like, you know if I mean I would never do it

1085
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,340
You know, I mean who the hell will come listen exactly who exactly right?

1086
00:44:29,620 --> 00:44:35,460
Everybody I'm sure I think you know if you watch the Elvis film as well, right Elvis was saying the same thing

1087
00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:42,140
You would say the same thing who will want to do this mr. Klaus mr. Klaus that we just tell you this man

1088
00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:47,140
If it were me is it would bomb. No, we cannot say that one's gonna turn

1089
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:51,260
If you believe in yourself, that's what that's it starts with that first

1090
00:44:51,260 --> 00:44:55,940
Then eventually people would see that and it'll come but when I see you guys do stuff like that and I go

1091
00:44:55,940 --> 00:44:59,460
Oh, wow. I wish to go you see you see what you're doing right now

1092
00:44:59,540 --> 00:45:03,100
You know in this podcast and this you've putting yourself out there, right?

1093
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:06,820
And then the next thing leads to the next thing and it you got to start putting yourself out there

1094
00:45:06,820 --> 00:45:11,860
That's all I'm saying, right? I really don't know man to me is like it's so ballsy to do this

1095
00:45:11,860 --> 00:45:13,860
I mean you're gonna go out there sell tickets

1096
00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:18,140
Yeah, you know that that stuff because it's validation of yourself

1097
00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:23,940
And then if yeah, and then you you fear that your your biggest fears will come true when no one buys tickets, right?

1098
00:45:24,740 --> 00:45:27,780
So that's a tough thing. Everything worked out the way

1099
00:45:27,780 --> 00:45:32,500
Did it work out the way you you wanted it to work out? Yeah, absolutely

1100
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:36,980
First of all, because you know that the reason why I do is because I feel good doing it, right?

1101
00:45:36,980 --> 00:45:42,380
Yeah, like I am living my my purpose, right? Yeah, that's only reason why I'm still doing it

1102
00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:47,140
Yeah, yeah, yeah is because I feel I need to do this. Otherwise, I cannot die

1103
00:45:47,660 --> 00:45:50,540
Really? I cannot die. Really? I cannot that is exactly what I'm doing

1104
00:45:50,540 --> 00:45:57,140
And that's why what drives me to do it and this age really? Why would I even want I've got a great job in radio

1105
00:45:57,140 --> 00:46:04,540
Pays me well comfortable right? Why am I still you know have this urge to want to go and write my own music do this?

1106
00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:06,540
Because it takes up a lot of time

1107
00:46:06,540 --> 00:46:11,900
On top of what I'm doing in radio it is and it's cause it's you got a scratch. Absolutely, right?

1108
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:17,620
Yeah, I know that it's a there's a purpose for me to do it. Yeah, it's not just vanity. It is something I have to do

1109
00:46:17,620 --> 00:46:21,140
Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean just like what you're doing right here as well. I'm sure I mean

1110
00:46:21,140 --> 00:46:25,500
This is something I had to do. Absolutely and I'm doing it. Yeah, you know and kudos to that

1111
00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:28,540
I said just like you've been looking at what I've been doing

1112
00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:29,900
I'll be looking at what you've been doing as well

1113
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:35,260
No, really and I'm so glad that you're actually doing this because I knew you've been wanting to do this for a long time

1114
00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:37,260
You finally sat down and said okay

1115
00:46:37,780 --> 00:46:43,500
Heck it I'm gonna do it. Right? Yeah, and that's what how everything starts when someone says heck it

1116
00:46:44,140 --> 00:46:50,460
Let's get this shit done. Yeah, and then you see, you know the magic up here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I

1117
00:46:50,460 --> 00:46:57,380
I yeah where I'm sitting right now. Yeah in this space. Yeah, this is my dream. Absolutely. I know one of a few

1118
00:46:57,380 --> 00:47:01,420
Yeah, yeah, so knock it down one at a time until you can say well done at all now

1119
00:47:01,420 --> 00:47:07,700
Thank you. I appreciate that. No, that would that be the same advice you would give to anyone aspiring in music?

1120
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:14,860
Absolutely. I've been surviving a music for most of my life doing music writing songs for TV shows for kids shows

1121
00:47:14,860 --> 00:47:22,380
It's stuff that I love doing and in Singapore as well. I've supported my family doing music and not singing in clubs

1122
00:47:22,380 --> 00:47:25,820
Or anything like that, you know, not that people think okay to earn money

1123
00:47:25,820 --> 00:47:27,820
You've got to go out there and sing you don't have to just do that

1124
00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:32,900
It's a singer songwriter. You can do so many and get so many things done like what I said songwriting

1125
00:47:33,620 --> 00:47:38,020
Performance, of course, you're right. So you can commission the right songs. Yeah, but people need to know who you are

1126
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:40,460
Yeah, but you've got to put yourself out there first, right?

1127
00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:45,580
So, you know, it goes back to that so yeah put yourself out there put yourself out you first make that first step

1128
00:47:45,580 --> 00:47:49,540
Yeah, then once it make that first step people will start to see it people like it

1129
00:47:49,540 --> 00:47:54,860
Then you eventually get spread the news will spread and eventually people know and then they'll come to you and then one job

1130
00:47:54,860 --> 00:47:57,300
You do will lead you to the next job next thing next thing next thing

1131
00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:04,020
So I'm curious man, not only talking about this and you say that I've been feeding my family with music

1132
00:48:04,020 --> 00:48:06,020
Yeah, right. That's how I've been earning my living

1133
00:48:06,020 --> 00:48:09,620
And of course the hungry years as Mickey Mouse

1134
00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:12,380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's Mickey Mouse

1135
00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:16,180
Mascot you you get into a costume and get paid for stuff like that

1136
00:48:16,180 --> 00:48:21,880
Yeah, and then you you still continue to write your songs you get commissioned eventually, but be

1137
00:48:22,660 --> 00:48:25,060
Outside of radio. Let's say for example

1138
00:48:26,180 --> 00:48:31,980
Hypothetically, yeah, John Klaas is not on air. Yeah, but he's a music

1139
00:48:32,820 --> 00:48:34,820
composer writer, yeah

1140
00:48:34,820 --> 00:48:36,620
musician performer

1141
00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:42,860
Yeah, would you still be able do you think to feed your family to affect your family without?

1142
00:48:43,180 --> 00:48:48,180
Yeah, being in on radio. So I was not in radio for 15 years. Yeah, I know I'm this way

1143
00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:53,800
Remember that gap the 15 year gap. Yeah, what happened during that period? Could you yeah, so could you get by?

1144
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:59,620
So see the thing about it. I've always had one single mindset and it was never to earn money, right?

1145
00:48:59,620 --> 00:49:01,620
So money was not my my concern

1146
00:49:01,620 --> 00:49:07,100
Because I guess I had this thing since I was young that I was always gonna be doing music

1147
00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:14,040
I was always gonna be successful doing it and money would not be a problem because everything will follow if I did it right

1148
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:18,120
Right. So that was I guess naive thinking of what I call it now and now in hindsight

1149
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,820
I'm thinking like crazy guy. All right

1150
00:49:19,820 --> 00:49:21,980
It's a crazy guy thinking that way, you know

1151
00:49:21,980 --> 00:49:26,140
Because I had all the confidence in the world that I'll be able to succeed and do that, right?

1152
00:49:26,140 --> 00:49:33,180
So to some extent yes successful with kick and that helped because I had that name with kick and because of kick

1153
00:49:33,180 --> 00:49:38,300
I guess it was easier for me to get into 987 because I already had that sort of background where people knew me

1154
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:44,460
So I got into 987 and then I did what I did in 987 and then eventually I left after two years and

1155
00:49:45,340 --> 00:49:47,340
after that it was

1156
00:49:47,860 --> 00:49:51,580
Surprisingly, so I never had to look for a job for 10 years

1157
00:49:51,580 --> 00:49:57,700
At least people just kept coming to me for this or that and this and that I was freelancing list literally for a long time

1158
00:49:58,020 --> 00:50:02,040
People are see could you do this? Could you do that? And I realized just by doing radio?

1159
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,060
I could do so many things I could script I could produce I could you know

1160
00:50:05,060 --> 00:50:07,460
All that stuff because I was doing that in radio as well, right?

1161
00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:12,540
So I realized I could do so many things I could write songs. I could write, you know theme songs

1162
00:50:12,540 --> 00:50:16,820
It could do children's shows. I once had a job someone asked me. Can you write a

1163
00:50:16,820 --> 00:50:23,620
30 songs in 30 days literally for a kids show because they want a tight very tight schedule and said well we can pay you the money

1164
00:50:24,180 --> 00:50:28,580
But you need to deliver right? So I was like, obviously I'm gonna take the money and I just said yes

1165
00:50:28,580 --> 00:50:31,480
Not knowing if I could do it. I was okay, man one song

1166
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:36,380
I had to do three songs in a day because there was like oh boy this yeah

1167
00:50:36,380 --> 00:50:41,380
So but it was short songs, right? Like two minute songs. Still is like bright brain could be sweating and hurting man

1168
00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:43,500
Yeah, so but then because I had that timeline

1169
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:48,700
Yeah, I discipline myself to make sure I delivered the hooks and all that stuff for kids to sing

1170
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:54,500
All right, and I did it and it's because you're telling I'm gonna do it. Don't think about how just do it

1171
00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:57,140
It has to be done. It has to be done. Yeah, I did it and

1172
00:50:57,620 --> 00:51:02,300
And because I did that then I got a lot more offers coming in because oh John can deliver

1173
00:51:02,860 --> 00:51:08,180
This the goods at this particular shot short notice as well. Yeah, so you showed that you could deliver

1174
00:51:08,180 --> 00:51:13,300
But net net of it all to answer my own question

1175
00:51:14,420 --> 00:51:17,460
Advice to young musician out there

1176
00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:22,380
That yeah, like John you can still feed your family feed yourself

1177
00:51:23,140 --> 00:51:25,140
Put yourself out there, right?

1178
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:27,300
But you gotta have the talent

1179
00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:33,380
Well and the drive okay to deliver. Okay, so let me give you another example. All right talent is

1180
00:51:33,380 --> 00:51:41,100
What is talent as well is one man's talent or one man's you are good and is another man's I don't think you're great

1181
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:45,760
Right. Yeah, and it's basically what you think of yourself, right? Right. That's the most important look at Madonna

1182
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,900
I say Madonna if she entered a singing competition should never win right never win. She doesn't have a voice

1183
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:54,100
Yeah, a good voice. Not Mariah Carey. She's not Whitney Houston, right?

1184
00:51:54,100 --> 00:52:00,020
It's a diva diva. She's not a great singer. Let's put it that way the rest of them the divas because they know they can sing

1185
00:52:00,020 --> 00:52:01,820
Right

1186
00:52:01,820 --> 00:52:08,900
So Madonna had to put in a lot more work in terms of finding ways to get herself out there get people talking about her

1187
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:11,980
And doing your personal finding the right songs. Yeah, all that stuff, right?

1188
00:52:11,980 --> 00:52:18,920
But her determination is what got her to yeah being bigger than some of these Mariah Carey's and Whitney Houston's because Madonna is now

1189
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:25,040
Like the Queen right? Yeah, and why it's because she knew how to use and whatever that determination

1190
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,100
I think in the end is just knowing I want to get there how I get there

1191
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:30,800
I don't care, but don't give up don't give up

1192
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,420
I'm just gonna go just like when I was given that song I took it first those songs to do took it first

1193
00:52:35,420 --> 00:52:37,940
Don't think let's just do I know I'm gonna get it done

1194
00:52:37,940 --> 00:52:42,760
Just tell myself gonna get it done and I'm gonna get it done and eventually got done and because of that more things

1195
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:48,240
It came to me right. So it is about the old-school motto, isn't it? Protest revolt? Yeah. Yeah

1196
00:52:48,660 --> 00:52:53,760
Really for those of you don't know what protest revolt means other than sounding like protests and revolt

1197
00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:56,020
Yeah, I always thought it was that

1198
00:52:56,020 --> 00:53:00,420
Protest and revolt. Yes, that's cool. Which is revolt is a St. Patrick's school motto

1199
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:07,180
We are very proud old boys at a school. Absolutely man, and protest revolt means he who wills can yeah

1200
00:53:07,180 --> 00:53:09,420
Yeah, so and and I think that

1201
00:53:10,580 --> 00:53:12,580
motto of ours man

1202
00:53:12,740 --> 00:53:16,340
Look at our friends. Yeah has driven us. Yep

1203
00:53:16,340 --> 00:53:21,680
It was a good damn good foundation for all of us is driven us to really be determined and resilient

1204
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,160
Yeah, and and and what you got to do means you got to do, you know

1205
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,140
What you have to do you got to do what man's got to do you got to do

1206
00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:31,220
You know, we don't quit in that yeah, and as long as you tell yourself that so it's not

1207
00:53:31,940 --> 00:53:35,500
It's not it's really in the end, right? It's what you make of yourself

1208
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:42,540
And if you think that's what's gonna happen, there's no two ways about it. I'm gonna make it happen. It will happen

1209
00:53:42,540 --> 00:53:47,260
I'm telling you at 50 plus years now. I'm still dreaming to do this

1210
00:53:47,940 --> 00:53:49,940
Yeah, yeah, it has to joke

1211
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:54,020
You just like everyone else don't want to say how old you are

1212
00:53:54,020 --> 00:54:00,620
I already said 50 plus man. It's like already bad enough like that. Okay, you you won't wait 97 years

1213
00:54:00,620 --> 00:54:07,140
It's exactly the same as me. We're the same freaking age, dude. We are yeah 54 this year. Okay, let's say it. Yeah

1214
00:54:07,140 --> 00:54:08,580
Yeah, I forget

1215
00:54:08,580 --> 00:54:13,660
Once 50 came aside. I want to know how you know how old we are. Yeah, we are young senior man

1216
00:54:13,780 --> 00:54:17,560
Yeah, we're seniors. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, right? I don't know man

1217
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,840
Are we getting a bus senior citizens bus bus next year next year? Yeah

1218
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,740
And we can barely go to the movies and pay half price and weekdays. Oh, I do that now

1219
00:54:24,740 --> 00:54:31,540
Oh, what how do you do that nearby man nearby you go down to the hub nearby and you get and and you go for the movies

1220
00:54:31,780 --> 00:54:35,100
No, you can only get it 55 right? No. No this one 50

1221
00:54:37,060 --> 00:54:40,260
Wow, okay, you have to wait five years then just let you know just let you know

1222
00:54:40,260 --> 00:54:44,020
I mean if you ever want to pay half price for your movie tickets

1223
00:54:44,020 --> 00:54:47,220
I can do it now already. Wow. Okay, man. It's cool

1224
00:54:48,340 --> 00:54:54,260
Okay, so don't give up. It's it's you know, it's the self doubt that stops a lot of people from doing it, right?

1225
00:54:54,260 --> 00:54:58,100
Yeah, it is. Yeah. What do you think of music today, man? What I think of music

1226
00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:05,020
I think music is good, you know, if you think it's good. No, no, really really I do think that don't be politically correct

1227
00:55:05,020 --> 00:55:06,700
Yeah, I'm not I'm not you know

1228
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:10,340
I don't know a lot of people say that and in a music music in the 80s was great

1229
00:55:10,340 --> 00:55:15,740
And I think the only reason was because you know, we grew up in that era and we had a lot of memories

1230
00:55:15,740 --> 00:55:17,740
So we'd be biased. Yeah

1231
00:55:17,740 --> 00:55:23,860
In some ways, I think everybody says that right the people who 50s grew up 50s great music there as well 50s music

1232
00:55:23,860 --> 00:55:26,980
No one can beat that rock and I agree rock and roll is great. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait

1233
00:55:26,980 --> 00:55:29,300
Wait, this is this is debatable you because why?

1234
00:55:30,180 --> 00:55:35,700
Yeah, sure look at this in proper context. Yeah. Yeah, the 50s people who rocked who rocked the 50s

1235
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:40,700
Yeah, they have every reason to say that was the best era simply because

1236
00:55:41,220 --> 00:55:44,300
Simply because the king of rock and roll brought rock and roll

1237
00:55:44,820 --> 00:55:49,140
To the world. Yeah, then the Beatles came along then you had the 60s, right?

1238
00:55:49,140 --> 00:55:54,300
Yeah, and then of course those baby boomers to say the 70s were the best because why and they were not wrong either

1239
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:58,820
yeah, but you have to see if take a look at those times those time periods man and

1240
00:55:59,940 --> 00:56:02,420
link that popular culture to

1241
00:56:03,340 --> 00:56:05,340
what happened in

1242
00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:12,420
History right? Yeah, so so in terms of music, we know that the 50s and 60s Motown also happened then. Yeah

1243
00:56:12,420 --> 00:56:17,700
Yeah, yeah, the Beatles came around then there was the British explosion at that time. So because of the Beatles

1244
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:21,380
Yeah, yeah, and and then after that you've had the Vietnam War

1245
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:26,100
Oh, right, and then yeah, then you see the music became a little different. Yeah, the hippie generation

1246
00:56:26,860 --> 00:56:28,860
Dylan yeah Bob Dylan. Yeah

1247
00:56:29,140 --> 00:56:34,940
And then after that the 80s, right? The 80s don't forget the wall came down. There was a Cold War

1248
00:56:34,940 --> 00:56:40,020
Yeah, and it reached the stage where Gobbyshoff came in and we had glass and asked

1249
00:56:40,220 --> 00:56:47,060
Yeah, and then the wall came down Reagan was around anyway, the Iron Lady Thatcher and we had the British explosion again

1250
00:56:47,060 --> 00:56:51,820
Yeah, it's because of that's just that's just you know, she wants it. She was she's very

1251
00:56:52,620 --> 00:56:55,740
She's is all about meritocracy, but she's concerned right?

1252
00:56:55,740 --> 00:57:01,260
Just like us in Singapore, right? Yeah, and and you go out there and you and you and you work for a living and you

1253
00:57:01,260 --> 00:57:06,580
Build something and and music came up. Yeah, right and then we had a lot of Brit music

1254
00:57:06,580 --> 00:57:10,460
Like you said Durandor and don't forget the patch mode. Yeah spanned out ballet

1255
00:57:10,460 --> 00:57:16,340
Yeah, of course, we would say hey music was better than me because look at how things evolved

1256
00:57:17,860 --> 00:57:22,220
Digital actually started then because there was so much electronic music

1257
00:57:22,500 --> 00:57:28,020
Music since sounds, you know, it Thompson twins the patch will all using synthesizers. Yeah

1258
00:57:28,020 --> 00:57:36,200
Yeah, I mean look at what happened then right and so of course we'll say but today yeah

1259
00:57:37,740 --> 00:57:42,060
Since the Millennium turned yeah, I mean hell

1260
00:57:42,980 --> 00:57:50,100
What was it black eyed peas? Okay, they all use garage band might do songs. Yeah. Yeah. Okay fine. What else?

1261
00:57:53,260 --> 00:57:55,260
Well, they're a lot of

1262
00:57:55,260 --> 00:58:00,700
I wouldn't say iconic type is you know sort of bands. Yeah, I would agree with that right there

1263
00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:03,300
There's there's a few okay the Coldplay is the YouTube

1264
00:58:04,780 --> 00:58:06,780
Come on YouTube

1265
00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:14,580
Coldplay I agree. Yeah Coldplay. I agree. And what's that guy Dave growl? What band was yeah. Yeah. Oh jeez was the coach

1266
00:58:14,580 --> 00:58:19,340
Damn it damn oh, where can my baby be?

1267
00:58:22,340 --> 00:58:26,860
No more anyway, oh jam, I mean they became you know, quite a household name

1268
00:58:26,860 --> 00:58:29,660
I mean they were going back to the you know, the roots of

1269
00:58:31,020 --> 00:58:32,220
Yeah

1270
00:58:32,220 --> 00:58:38,580
Even even even Maroon 5. Yeah. Yeah, right. But no in and then now Mike my boy my boy is nuts

1271
00:58:39,260 --> 00:58:41,020
over Kanye

1272
00:58:41,020 --> 00:58:47,460
Really? Yeah. What do you teach a man? I don't know. I don't know where I've gone wrong really

1273
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:50,700
He's like

1274
00:58:50,820 --> 00:58:52,820
I've been Kanye this

1275
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:58,320
He's gonna drop his album service he's no he's not it's gonna fool you guys again

1276
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:03,060
And he did for a day, but eventually did that and yes, I know is a bit of a nutter

1277
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:07,700
But but but then why yeah, yeah, and then I told you this

1278
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:12,500
I've said in that episode. So since we're talking I'll say it again

1279
00:59:13,540 --> 00:59:17,340
He said he's bigger than Elvis. No way. Oh

1280
00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:20,080
Can you imagine telling me in my house?

1281
00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:23,180
exactly

1282
00:59:23,380 --> 00:59:28,380
And well, and you know, I mean look at what what are they producing today man

1283
00:59:28,420 --> 00:59:32,780
You got hip hop and this hip hop and Taylor Swift

1284
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:36,100
Actually like Taylor Swift

1285
00:59:36,100 --> 00:59:42,180
Yeah, have you seen her? Have you watched the concert? Yeah, it is epic. Yeah. Yeah, great. It's a great performer

1286
00:59:42,180 --> 00:59:44,180
She's on right. I think as well

1287
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:50,340
Yeah, but look at the whole package and you think and you think back you think back Janet Jackson

1288
00:59:50,820 --> 00:59:52,820
Yeah, you think back

1289
00:59:52,860 --> 00:59:54,860
Whitney Houston

1290
00:59:54,900 --> 01:00:01,020
Right you think back these people. Yeah, and you and okay. Listen, let's be fair. You forget about genders

1291
01:00:01,860 --> 01:00:03,380
Prince

1292
01:00:03,380 --> 01:00:06,620
Yeah, you know you totally different sort of a you know thing absolutely

1293
01:00:06,740 --> 01:00:10,740
But you know see the thing about it because my daughter is a huge fan of Taylor Swift, right?

1294
01:00:10,740 --> 01:00:17,100
So I often ask her as well, right? Yeah. Okay. What what do you see and Taylor Swift is not one of those flash-in-the-pan type?

1295
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:20,140
Artists as well. She's actually one of the more pure

1296
01:00:21,140 --> 01:00:24,580
I'm not saying she's not good. Yeah. I'm just saying that

1297
01:00:25,540 --> 01:00:32,400
Compared to how much of course of course how much impact there has been. Yeah, but from by artists on it globally

1298
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,280
Yeah, right. I mean you can't compare Taylor Swift to Queen

1299
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:43,320
Yeah, I mean the different artists but I think what's the difference right now? Yeah, I've had this conversation as well with my daughters

1300
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,880
And it's social media, right?

1301
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:51,840
That's made a difference and made them bigger than they would have been if not for social media because on the music alone

1302
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:57,280
Yeah, I totally agree with you. They're not Prince. They're not Queen. They're not ABBA even. Yeah, yeah, right

1303
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:03,120
Which gives you something that a lot of artists can't right? Yeah, he's a special sort of artist. Yeah

1304
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,560
Yeah, and social media has a lot to do knowing how to manipulate social media

1305
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:12,880
In fact, I'm doing a study right now because I'm I'm I'm at this stage of my sort of music

1306
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,560
Sort of career where I've just released I'm gonna release my album

1307
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:22,360
I've got to learn how to do everything in the modern world. Yeah, social media has a lot to do with it

1308
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,720
So I'm actually taking some sort of lessons

1309
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:30,520
With this guy who actually initially managed Taylor Swift. Wow, it's Rick Barker, right and

1310
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:37,920
He did he talks about how when he first started with Taylor Swift that they were ground zero first. They really

1311
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,360
Sort of looked at social media and the only thing they had at that point was my space

1312
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,280
My space and then eventually grew into you know, Facebook and all the other stuff, right?

1313
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:52,280
So he he talks about everything to do with social media and I agree with that as well when social media first came out

1314
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,080
also as an artist, I

1315
01:01:54,080 --> 01:02:00,220
You know, we now can bypass record labels can bypass everyone else who were the gatekeepers to your music

1316
01:02:00,220 --> 01:02:02,500
Yeah, and say I can go directly to my audience, right? Yeah

1317
01:02:02,500 --> 01:02:07,760
So now let's find out how I do that in so many ways Spotify gives you that chance play listing and all that stuff

1318
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,760
It's a lot to learn

1319
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:15,520
Which has made a difference because now you're impacting people's lives not just by the music but as a person as well

1320
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:20,480
Right on the little things that you can sort of connect with your audience about the lyrics that you write

1321
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:26,320
Yeah about your experiences in your personal life and they can you know, and that's the thing the dynamic has changed

1322
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,380
Not just about music anymore. It's not about what the tabloids write about you anymore

1323
01:02:30,380 --> 01:02:34,120
It's not you can write about yourself and connect directly with the audience, right? Yeah

1324
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:39,580
So so so what you're saying is today the artist is seen for their for their authenticity

1325
01:02:39,580 --> 01:02:43,640
Yeah, it's it's so when I asked my daughter, why do you like to tell us who have musics one?

1326
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,880
But it's all the other things that make Taylor Swift Taylor Swift

1327
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:53,040
Personally in her life. Oh, yeah that they connect with the love stories how she breaks up with her boyfriend

1328
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:59,960
She feels this pain and all these kids or girls or fans growing up with that same pain relate to her

1329
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:03,000
And then they reach out and you know that so you're an ex-gener man

1330
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:10,560
Now you've learned this right and then as an artist. Yeah, if you're gonna use social media

1331
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,840
For this purpose

1332
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:17,480
Would you be willing to bear your soul and your heart?

1333
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:22,280
You know and your personal private life on social media

1334
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:26,760
Well, that's the thing. So there's a line you have to draw obviously, right? Yeah, I'm fighting light

1335
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,760
So I'm trying to figure out that

1336
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,720
What how and all that stuff? I'm in the process right now

1337
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:38,120
Yeah, I mean because you know for a lot of guys like us and especially those older than us, you know

1338
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,460
We go how much do we want to really put out there? Yeah. Yeah

1339
01:03:41,460 --> 01:03:47,120
Yeah, if we put too much of ourselves out there, we it makes us vulnerable as well. Yeah, yeah, doesn't it? Yeah

1340
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:52,320
And then you start wondering like maybe there'll be those who would say of course, they'll be the only audience

1341
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,840
They will say why are you doing this man? Why are you telling everybody?

1342
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:59,880
Yeah, you know your issues and blah blah blah and then we talk about issues and you also share happy stuff

1343
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:08,440
People are also glad to see it, you know, I'm not so sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the cynics. Yeah. Yeah, but anyway, um, I

1344
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:10,800
I

1345
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:17,520
Really hope I wish you the best. Thanks. You know for your for your new album and your exploration into this space now

1346
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:21,020
Yeah, so that's that's the thing that's interesting then this way I'm not writing off

1347
01:04:21,020 --> 01:04:28,240
You know the new music because obviously, you know people like it and it's got to accept it embrace it and see why is it?

1348
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:32,840
That people are interacting and with the music and how they're doing it these days, you know

1349
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,600
And you know try and try to move forward with that right rather than just yeah

1350
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:41,540
Yeah, and and and you know, I say as I said, you know, I really hope your dream comes true

1351
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,820
Thanks, you know really you you get what you want in the next 30 plus years, man

1352
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,560
I'm hoping to get it in the next couple of years and then enjoy it for the rest

1353
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,880
30 years not only happen at an 80 something

1354
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,400
We're gonna do something right now. We can do something. All right

1355
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,080
I've got a you know, I've got John class here

1356
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:06,200
All right, this is Aliyah and I was nervous as shit. Okay, you know, this is not my this is not my this is not really my job

1357
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:12,280
Something that you can do this I suppose and I was nervous as shit when I sang it for a yeah

1358
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,580
But think it I think it turned out. Okay

1359
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:20,560
But so if I'm gonna have John class in the studio, I have to sing. All right

1360
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,560
Yeah, we're John do this

1361
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,160
So this is gonna be a cheeky song

1362
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:30,240
Why cheeky because it's a song that's going to be sung by two Eurasian boys

1363
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:36,640
From St. Patrick's school from St. Pat's knowing fully well that their wives be watching the show

1364
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:44,400
And my wife knows how many girlfriends I've had and she's had more boyfriends that I have so, you know

1365
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,600
She's not gonna judge me. Yeah. Well good for you

1366
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,640
I don't know whether I'll be the doghouse

1367
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:56,720
You're always welcome to my place, you know, thank you. I'll take you up with that just a straightaway

1368
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,680
So, you know, um, this is a song to all the girls I love before

1369
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:08,720
Yeah, and and and I since you had a classy guy and Julio Julio

1370
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:13,920
I get Julio. Okay, Julio is a classy guy. So you do Julio. All right, and I'll do the gruffy guy

1371
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,200
All right, man, cuz I look at me. I'm the gruffy guy. You're Willie. Oh, thanks

1372
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,200
I'm

1373
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,440
I'm sure a lot of girls says hey, hello, Willie

1374
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,440
Hey Willie. Oh, look at that Willie

1375
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,160
There goes his Willie. Okay. Oh, I love that

1376
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:46,600
Okay, so anyway, we already man just play the song all right

1377
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:50,600
All right, Willie to all the girls I've loved before

1378
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:56,320
How many again a lot we're traveling and now my dog

1379
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:02,520
Revolver and I'm glad they came along sure and dedicate the song

1380
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,320
to all the girls I

1381
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,320
love before

1382
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:12,320
To all the girls I once caressed

1383
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,320
Rubba-Rubba

1384
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:18,320
And may I say I'd held the best

1385
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,320
For helping me

1386
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:26,320
To all the girls I love before

1387
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:30,320
The winds of change are always blowing

1388
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,320
And every time I try to stay

1389
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:43,320
The winds of change continue blowing

1390
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:49,320
And every time I try to stay

1391
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:53,320
The winds of change continue blowing

1392
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,320
And they just carry me away

1393
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:00,320
Willie

1394
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,320
To all the girls who shared my life

1395
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,320
Who now are someone else's wives

1396
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,320
Ignorance is bliss

1397
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,320
I'm glad they came along

1398
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,320
I dedicate the song

1399
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:21,320
To all the girls I've loved before

1400
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:23,320
I'm sure you can't remember them all, yeah

1401
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:27,320
To all the girls who cared for me

1402
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:32,320
Who filled my nights with ecstasy

1403
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,320
Hell yeah

1404
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,320
They stay within my heart

1405
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,320
I'll always be a part

1406
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:45,320
Of all the girls I've loved before

1407
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:50,320
The winds of change are always blowing

1408
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:56,320
And every time I try to stay

1409
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:02,320
The winds of change continue blowing

1410
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:08,320
And they just carry me away

1411
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:12,320
To all the girls we've loved before

1412
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:18,320
Who traveled in and out and out of those

1413
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,320
We're glad you came along

1414
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,320
We dedicate the song

1415
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:30,320
To all the girls we've loved before

1416
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:36,320
To all the girls we've loved before

1417
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:40,320
To all the girls we've loved before

1418
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:41,320
That's right

1419
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:46,320
Who traveled in and out, outdoor

1420
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,320
We're glad they came along

1421
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We dedicate the song

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01:09:53,320 --> 01:10:06,320
To all the girls we've loved before

1423
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:08,320
Alright!

1424
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:09,320
Yes!

1425
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:10,320
Mr. John Klass!

1426
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,320
Thank you everybody for watching this episode

1427
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,320
With the classy dude John Klass

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01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:17,320
This is Chris Hansen

1429
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,320
You've been watching the Chris Hansen Conversation of course

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01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,320
And we are one more episode

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01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:22,320
Less

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01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,320
Next week, Friday

1433
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,320
Is going to be the season finale

1434
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:28,320
It's going to be a great one

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01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,320
Make sure you tune in, okay?

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01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:32,320
We'll see you again sometime

1437
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,320
We hope you've had fun with that song

1438
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,320
And wives, don't get angry with us

1439
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:39,320
Alright, see ya!

1440
01:10:39,320 --> 01:11:04,320
See you guys, bye bye!