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Some give it names.

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Hey meet my boner.

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This is a femur, but meet my boner.

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This guy's name is my boner.

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Welcome everybody to this new episode of the Chris Hansen conversation and today it is

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all about jobs.

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It is about I love my job.

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And it'd be interesting for everyone to actually listen and watch this show because why?

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I have with me today the CEO, founder and career strategist for Career Agility International.

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You hear him every week on this radio show and I will not give them free advertising.

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He is on their radio show every week and he talks about all kinds of stuff pertaining

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to your career, pertaining to jobs.

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And I just had to have him here in my studio and welcome Adrian Chew.

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My absolute pleasure to be here, finally to be in the hot seat with you.

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No, my seat not hot.

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I think the seat on radio hotter.

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No, you're more stressed because your equipment here looks more pro than a radio station.

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You're shitting me.

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I'm not kidding you.

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Really?

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Yeah, I'm very impressed.

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I am very impressed.

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I'm very happy to be here today and I think we're going to have a fun time today this

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Yeah, I intend to have a fun time man.

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I mean, just a couple of rules though.

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Rule number one, this is not radio.

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Rule number two, this is not radio.

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Rule number three, this is not radio.

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So it's a podcast, so let's really have a real heart to heart man.

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I got a ton of things to ask you, but to be fair, to be fair to our audience, you know,

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because I am very cognizant of the fact, my friends are going to hate me for this shit,

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cognizant of the fact that not many people listen to radio these days.

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They do go digital natives.

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Let me come on.

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Let's be honest here, right?

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A lot of digital natives.

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And no doubt it's Facebook live, there's all that, right?

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But then again, to reach out to a wider audience, the young and the old and across the globe.

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And this show is across the globe.

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So I will just want you to tell everyone in my usual fashion, that's how I usually start

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the show, who is Adrian Chu?

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Well, I'm the career strategist and I help individuals with their careers.

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Usually it's the executives and senior executives who are at the career crossroads, who are

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trying to figure out what to do next in their career.

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So I come in together with my team to help craft out a career strategy for them.

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Because a lot of times when we have clients coming to us and asking us, hey, Adrian, I

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want a better job.

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You ask them, what's a better job?

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They cannot articulate it.

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So we sit down and work with them on the strategy and how to deploy it.

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So my background has been in head hunting.

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Before that I was in Shell and GE Plastics.

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Wait, wait, wait.

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You've got to stop there first.

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You're head hunting is one, that one we can all understand.

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Now let's go back to what you've just said, Shell and GE, General Electric.

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General Electric, yeah.

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What were you doing there, man?

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So my first job was in Shell actually, and I used to joke with my son, he was really

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young.

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He said, daddy, where do you work?

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He said, work in Shell.

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And he asked me, you mean at the petrol station pumping gas?

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Something like that.

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It's a decent job, man.

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I love the guys at the Shell station.

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Actually I would love that job because I love inhaling the fumes.

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I would work there for free.

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I was doing, so I was offered, when I joined Shell, I was offered two positions.

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I was offered one where you get a cushy job of managing the Shell stations or the industrial

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one where you sell to the construction sites and everything.

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And then no hero, Garang, me, just went and said, give me the grimy job.

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So I spent the first three years of my career trudging in construction boots and construction

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sites, doing all the fun stuff, selling, really believe it, wire rope, grease, everything

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You're shitting me.

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But it was the best learning experience for me.

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But what was your qualification, academic qualification prior to getting your landing

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that job, man?

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No, I was in the business, I was a graduate from NUS Business School.

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Business school.

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So it was a marketing sales position.

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So in Shell, they put you through various positions for you to learn the business.

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So even putting on the hard hat.

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Oh yes, it was fun.

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I even did the marine bunkering business once, which meant I had to go on board the vessels,

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climb up and down to manually check that everything was legal and all perfectly done.

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So yeah, I've done the vessels bit and interesting story.

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So I've been married 25 years, noticed no ring.

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Notice no ring too.

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I've got a legit excuse.

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So do I.

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Let me hear yours first.

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So when I got married, I had a ring on.

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ring got so badly scratched.

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To the point where I was so bad, then I said, I'm not going to wear a ring.

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And I told my wife, is it okay if I don't wear the ring?

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Fine, whatever.

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So since then, my excuse, I don't wear the ring anymore.

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What's your excuse?

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Oh, very simple, man.

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When I got married, I was like a lot smaller.

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All of a sudden the ring looked too damn small.

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It couldn't go through my first digit, go past my first digit.

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Then my wife stopped wearing as well because the ring got too big.

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Yeah, I mean, it doesn't matter, man.

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We know we're married, right?

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We know who we married.

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It doesn't really matter.

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So that was my excuse.

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So my first couple of years I was in Shell, lots of fun stuff.

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But there was a turning point in my career in Shell.

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It was in 1998, 1999 during the Asian financial crisis.

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Everyone talks about people, you and I, from that generation, we always remember that's

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97, 98, right?

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The first one we got married.

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That was really fucked up.

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That was messy.

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They let go a third of their book home stuff.

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And you know, being young, fresh, graduate, and you see those uncles in their forties,

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by the way, we are uncles to the...

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Don't anyone fucking call me that today.

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I've had enough people calling me uncle too, man.

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So I saw the uncles who got retrenched and it was nightmarish for them.

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I saw and I saw that they only had one job, one career all the while.

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to get hit by that.

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And then what do I do next?

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So I decided that I do not want to put my career in the hands of a blank, blind entity.

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So basically what you're saying is becoming too expensive and too experienced.

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And somewhat irrelevant because the market changes.

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And to me, it was a matter of career security.

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I didn't feel career secure if I had to put my future career into the hands of an entity.

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Well, can I also add to that, or of an entity, MNC otherwise, or otherwise, of people who

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are in the position of leadership that would likely be younger than you?

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Yeah.

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So it's okay to report to someone younger than me, who's smarter than me.

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The worry I have is that if I stayed in Shell or a big oil company, my skills become irrelevant.

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And I still remember that was, I used to be a technology kid.

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I was a techie.

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I grew up a techie.

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Still a techie.

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Still a techie, but I grew up with techie.

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I grew up with, on the days when the Apple IIe still required a cassette tape to go in.

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Oh wow.

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So I always loved tech.

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But when I stayed in a corporate job, I was really getting too comfortable.

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To the point where Windows 98 came up, right?

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New OS.

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Do I need to learn a new OS?

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So I suddenly caught myself and said, hey, no, no, I'm starting to, I'm starting to

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ossify.

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I started to calcify and get-

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Stiff.

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Stiff and-

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Not flexible.

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Very soon I'll be a curmudgeon, old grumpy old man, get off my lawn kind of guy.

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I needed to move out.

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So that's why I left Shell in 2000 to do my own business.

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24 years ago.

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24 years ago.

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So that was how I started in Shell.

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Then after, but there's an interesting story about something you did during university

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God, man.

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Can you tell us about that?

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So I've always had that entrepreneurial streak.

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So what was funny was I had this, okay.

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So I come, I'm a science guy.

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I love science.

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I love biology.

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But I cannot stand blood and I cannot stand bones and I cannot stand guts and yeah, I'll

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throw up if I saw it.

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So did bodies especially.

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So I couldn't be a doctor.

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So I decided that, hey, you know, what else can I do?

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So I watched this movie.

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Okay.

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Fantastic life-changing movie.

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In, in, it was called Wall Street.

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Remember Wall Street?

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Oh, you mean the one by Joe Lo.

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Oh no, that's Wolf of Wall Street.

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I watched Wall Street.

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Michael, Michael, Michael Douglas.

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Charlie Sheen.

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Do you remember his, what his character was called?

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Oh God.

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I can't remember.

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Gordon Gekko.

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Gordon Gekko.

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That's it.

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And he was going, greed is good.

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Jogged my memory.

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I was like, whoa, you know, the finance, the world of business and everything.

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I said, okay, I'm going to switch over to business.

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So, so after I got, after I got my A level results, I wanted to get, I actually got into

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an US business school.

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Right.

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And I thought to myself, I said, oh shucks, Adrian, you're going into business school

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with no economics, no finance, nothing, no knowledge at all.

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You're going to be slaughtered once you get into business school.

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So I said, okay, I'm going to try start a business.

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So I said, so my brother was talking to me, my older brother was in medical school then.

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He was complaining to me.

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He said, no Adrian, we cannot find human skeletons anymore for an anatomy class.

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So I said, okay, let's go source for them.

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So I managed to get a source in Europe where they got medical grade human bones.

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No, no.

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So you're telling me those are real human bones.

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No.

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Those human bones are clean bones.

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So, so prior to that, they bleached the bones.

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Prior to us, prior to me starting the business, they used to get the bones from India.

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The Indian bones were very good specimens.

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I saw so morbid saying this.

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Well, why?

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So they were well treated and because the mortality rate was higher, they were younger.

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So the bone specimens were all very nice and intact and they were smaller, but it was very

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So all the features, the foramenia and all the other pieces all were in there.

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But India banned the exports in the eighties, you know, because they were taking up breaks.

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No, fuck that dude.

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You sound like fucking Hannibal Lecter, man.

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Oh, they were very nice.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes, clearly.

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So the bones were in good condition.

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So because there was a ban in the exports, no one else could get the bones anymore.

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So I managed to source a supply in Germany.

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Right.

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And it was over there in Europe, it was a medical grade.

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So those bones belong to people who donate their body to science.

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Okay.

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So it's like when I die, I donate the body to science.

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In Singapore, you can do it too, you know.

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No, thanks.

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Okay.

274
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Well, thanks for that morbid info, but yeah, okay.

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I'm going to donate mybones.com.

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I have no idea where to go.

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But apparently you can donate your body, your cadaver to the NUS Yong Yulin School of Science.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, I digress.

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So it's okay, digress, it's fine.

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So the bones came in from Germany.

283
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Right.

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I just brought them in and I sold them to the medical students.

285
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Right.

286
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So anyway, you sold them to the medical students or to the medical faculty?

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Medical students directly.

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What?

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Yeah.

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These people actually individually as individuals, medical students and they fucking buy human

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bones.

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So if we have any doctors out there, okay, who are about our age, they will remember

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me.

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Oh, you're the bones guy at a medical, at a school.

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They would buy it, okay.

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And they will get attached to it and they will keep it.

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What?

298
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Some give it names.

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Meet my boner.

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This is a femur, but meet my boner.

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This guy's name is my boner.

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It's crazy.

303
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So medical students, they buy and those who, some even resell it the year after.

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They sell it to the juniors.

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Yeah.

306
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Okay.

307
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Okay.

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That makes sense.

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So I was in the business selling medical grade skeletons to anatomy students in NUS.

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And then, so I wasn't, when I went to NUS, right?

311
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I was still running the business.

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So at any point in time, I was quite fortunate.

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I was driving my dad's car.

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My dad retired.

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So I drove the car to school.

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Any more point in time, I would have skeletons in my boot.

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But let me tell you a funnier story.

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Oh no, cops up you.

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I checked you trunk.

320
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No, I tell you what's even funnier.

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What's even funnier was when I first brought them in and I thought, where do I keep these

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bones?

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So I tried calling a few.

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The last time they didn't have store hub.

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No one else wanted to, what are you keeping?

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I want you to store bones.

327
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So I kept it in my house.

328
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Okay.

329
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I kept it in my room.

330
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Oh no.

331
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I kept them under my bed.

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At one point in time.

333
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I had 30 skeletons in my room.

334
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It couldn't fit under the bed.

335
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I had to literally fit it in my closet.

336
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So I literally had skeletons in the closet.

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It was ridiculous.

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What an awesome story, man.

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So at any point in time, in school and my classmates knew I was having skeletons, whenever

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they were bored, just go to your car.

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Let's see some bones.

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So was it lucrative?

343
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It was pretty lucrative.

344
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It was good.

345
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And towards the end, suddenly the decline, the supply of bones declined.

346
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It was linear.

347
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Too few people dying.

348
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No, I tell you why.

349
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Mortality was low.

350
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No, I tell you why.

351
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I was puzzled as well.

352
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I don't know why.

353
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There was someone else soaking up all the dead people market.

354
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Oh, the bastard.

355
00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:43,720
It was that body world's doctor, you know?

356
00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:44,720
Oh, that guy.

357
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That guy who does the dead bodies.

358
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Yeah, that control guy.

359
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That control guy.

360
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You read about the recent controversy that that woman was actually murdered and then

361
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he remodeled her body, right?

362
00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:05,720
Yeah, correct.

363
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So he literally soaked up the whole market and so much so that he would pay top dollar

364
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for it.

365
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So it was just nice because I just graduated.

366
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I was talking around the business while in Shell.

367
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So you never had the intention to actually continue.

368
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No, no, no.

369
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It was an experiment.

370
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But the beautiful thing about it was that it was part of my career strategy because

371
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I wanted to separate myself from the rest of the other undergrad.

372
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So when I applied for Shell, they took notice of me because I put the word soaked human

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skeletons as a business.

374
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And so much so, when I went to talk to HR the first time, HR said, tell me about the

375
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bones.

376
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Here I got one in my back pocket.

377
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So it was good positioning, but let me tell you what's funny.

378
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What's funny is after I sold everything off and I knew human bones were hard to get by.

379
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You don't say.

380
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So I thought maybe next time, next time maybe my kids might want to study medicine and therefore

381
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they might need a side.

382
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So I kept one set for myself.

383
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I kept it all the way in my cupboard.

384
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I got married, I moved to a new place, it followed me.

385
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I didn't tell my wife.

386
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This is the girl I murdered before I married you.

387
00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,720
So I didn't tell my wife about it.

388
00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,720
It was funny because ultimately I did.

389
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I said, okay, look, if ever, if ever I get arrested, you have to be my alibi.

390
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This is not somebody we murdered together.

391
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Bro, I gotta tell you this man.

392
00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:46,720
This is the third season, this is the third season of CHC and let me tell you, I've never

393
00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,720
heard a story so funny until now.

394
00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,720
This one takes a fucking cake, man.

395
00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,720
It's hilarious.

396
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So ultimately when my kids were older and they didn't realize, I didn't realize they

397
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weren't going to study medicine.

398
00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,720
So they gave the last set away to the Nanyang Poly School of Nursing.

399
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Okay, good for you.

400
00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:12,720
Good for me.

401
00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:13,720
So now it's...

402
00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,720
They're going to give you a punk, man.

403
00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,720
The bone sponsored by Adrian Chu.

404
00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,720
So now the cops raid my house and they find a skeleton in there.

405
00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,720
They know it's not from that original batch.

406
00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,720
Oh man, that's so funny, man.

407
00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:29,720
Okay, okay, okay.

408
00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,720
We're going to get on with the topic at hand.

409
00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,720
Okay, so from Shell, you went into head hunting, right?

410
00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:36,720
Yeah.

411
00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,720
And what made you go into that direction?

412
00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:47,720
Well, the fun part about it was that I've always been very interested in careers and

413
00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,720
I've always been very good at selling.

414
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And I decided...

415
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You could sell fucking skeletons and come on.

416
00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:55,720
Yeah, I know, right?

417
00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:00,720
So it was quite fun and I found that head hunting was a job where I would enjoy doing, something

418
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,720
that plays into my strengths.

419
00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,720
And the nice thing about head hunting was that it's a skill you pick up and then you

420
00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,720
become, if you're good at it, you become company independent.

421
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:10,720
Okay.

422
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,720
Which means that you become your own vendor.

423
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,720
So whatever company you're looking for is just a brand.

424
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,720
So in other words, if I'm not happy with this company, I just quit.

425
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,720
I go to another company.

426
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,720
My clients will follow me.

427
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:27,720
So therefore my original concern in Shell about me being too dependent on a company

428
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or the career and security piece was resolved.

429
00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,720
So from then on, I decided that I'll do it.

430
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,720
What was fun was that...

431
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:35,720
Sorry.

432
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,720
So in the first year, I did my own business.

433
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,720
So in my first year, I worked normally.

434
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,720
So I got a paycheck and everything.

435
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,720
In the second year, my business stabilized to a point where I told my boss, don't give

436
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:49,720
me a salary.

437
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,720
Give me a commission, straight commission on anything I build.

438
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,720
So in other words, if I don't build anything, you don't pay me.

439
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:56,720
But the deal is...

440
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,720
You give me a sweetheart deal because I cost you nothing.

441
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:00,720
Well, ballsy.

442
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:01,720
Yeah.

443
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,720
So he said, okay, sure.

444
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:04,720
So I got a sweetheart deal.

445
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,720
In the next nine years plus, I was running on my own.

446
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,720
So I took it as my own business.

447
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:10,720
Right.

448
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,720
And because my boss didn't pay me anything, right?

449
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:13,720
Right.

450
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,720
He couldn't tell me when I could come, when I could go.

451
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,720
I remember I used to take like three week vacations in December.

452
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:20,720
Wow.

453
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:21,720
Yeah.

454
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:28,720
But the downside to it is, in the recession 2008, it was tough.

455
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:29,720
But it's okay.

456
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,720
I still have my clients going on.

457
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:32,720
Right.

458
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,720
So it was a very gutsy move.

459
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:41,720
But for me, it all adds up to this thing about wanting to be career independent, company

460
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:42,720
independent.

461
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:43,720
Right.

462
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,720
And that has given me a lot of job security.

463
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:46,720
Peace of mind.

464
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:47,720
Okay.

465
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:48,720
Not job security.

466
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,720
You stopped yourself at job security.

467
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:51,720
Why?

468
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:57,720
You see, the problem with individuals today, and I'm going to share this with our listeners

469
00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:58,720
out there, okay.

470
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,720
The challenge with our mindset today is everyone is worried about job security.

471
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:09,720
Whenever we do a survey, we hear people telling us 82% of Singaporeans are worried about their

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00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:10,720
job.

473
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:11,720
Yeah.

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And whether they have a job in the next couple of months, I know next year whether it's going

475
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,720
to be retrenchment.

476
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,720
What we say is this.

477
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,720
You're worrying about your job and job security.

478
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:21,720
You're being silly.

479
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,720
Okay.

480
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:23,720
Why?

481
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,720
Because there's nothing you can do about job security.

482
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:26,720
Why?

483
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:27,720
What do you mean by that?

484
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,720
Job security means I'm worried I'll lose my job.

485
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:30,720
So what do I do?

486
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:31,720
I play politics.

487
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,720
I make sure I step that guy in the back.

488
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He gets out first.

489
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:35,720
I kiss my boss's ass.

490
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:36,720
Okay.

491
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,720
I do all sorts of stuff just to hang on.

492
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,720
And many of us know of people like that.

493
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:41,720
Yeah.

494
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:42,720
They're just players.

495
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,720
They're animals because they're so worried about job security.

496
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:45,720
Yeah.

497
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,720
They will eat someone else.

498
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:47,720
They'll eat someone.

499
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,720
Maybe your boss is so worried about his own job security.

500
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,720
He doesn't want you to go and top him.

501
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:52,720
Yeah.

502
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,720
Even if you are, and if there's a job cutting, a cost cutting exercise, he's going to cut

503
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:57,720
your job.

504
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:58,720
He's going to cut his job.

505
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:04,720
So being worried about job security is something which is something you can't control.

506
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,720
Basically, can we boil this down to job security is a myth?

507
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,720
It is a myth.

508
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:10,720
It is an illusion.

509
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,720
So what we say is don't look at job security.

510
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:14,720
Look at career security.

511
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:20,720
And career security means you'll be so damn good at your job that even if your boss fires

512
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,720
you, you walk over to your competitor and say, I'll work for you.

513
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,720
You might get a pay raise or you know, walk over because you own the customers.

514
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:28,720
You own the know-how.

515
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:29,720
You own the technology.

516
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,720
And then you walk over.

517
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:38,720
So if you are really good at your game, you should strive towards career security, knowing

518
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,720
what your skills are, what you're the subject matter expert in.

519
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,720
So much so that you don't have to be at the mercy of the company because you can pick

520
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,720
your stuff up, walk across the street and plonk down, start another company or even

521
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:51,720
start your own company.

522
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,720
So in essence, what you're saying is be good at what you do to be great.

523
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,720
Yes.

524
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,720
And my favorite analogy is this.

525
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:04,720
When you see a bird perched on top of a very tall tree and if you see him sleeping on

526
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,720
a tall tree and you're wondering, he's so peaceful and so confident.

527
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,720
Does he have confidence in the strength of the branch or in the strength of his wings?

528
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:18,720
A job insecure person hopes the branch doesn't break, especially if the bird is getting fatter

529
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,720
and the wings are getting weaker because they've not exercised those wings in a long time.

530
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,720
So a job insecure person will worry about the branch.

531
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,720
But a career secure person is someone who says, so sure, if the branch breaks, fine,

532
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,720
I'll fly off to the next tree, a bigger tree.

533
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,720
Unless you get a freaking predator bird come down to swoop you because you're out there.

534
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,720
Correct, that's why you must be so good, you fly up to a higher tree and you see your

535
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,720
boss bird lower down your shit on his head and you go fly away and you don't even care.

536
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,720
So that's where we want our clients to become career secure.

537
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,720
And once you have the career security, you stop worrying about a lot of things.

538
00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,720
Well, you said something earlier when you started the skeleton business, the bones business,

539
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,720
you've always had this entrepreneurial streak in you.

540
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:09,720
Can you define what entrepreneurial streak really means?

541
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,720
In your own words, I'd like to understand what's your thoughts on that.

542
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,720
What does it mean? Or is it a feeling?

543
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,720
No, I think it's tough.

544
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,720
For me, I think I always joke that entrepreneurs are crazy bunch.

545
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,720
We are nut cases, okay?

546
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,720
Entrepreneurs are people who get frustrated with their long hours at the corporate company,

547
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,720
corporate job, the stresses and everything, right?

548
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,720
And they quit and they go start their own business and they experience twice as long

549
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,720
work hours, three times as much stress and everything, and you're happy at it.

550
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:52,720
So I think an entrepreneur is someone who's brave enough to start off to invest in their own ideas.

551
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:58,720
But when you're at a young age and as an undergraduate and you realize I have an entrepreneurial streak,

552
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,720
what do you think for a young person, for anyone for that matter?

553
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,720
I mean, I've always known I wanted to be an entrepreneur.

554
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:12,720
So what kind of, what would be, but some people will go, but I'm not sure.

555
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:21,720
So what would be, in your opinion, the telltale sign that a person really has that streak?

556
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,720
Would it be an emotional thing or would it be a trait?

557
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,720
You wouldn't know until you're in the deep end of it. So my suggestion is start small.

558
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:35,720
My skeleton business, I started and I said, look, I'm just going to test out by buying one skeleton first.

559
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,720
And I see if there's demand, then I will scale it up.

560
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,720
And it all started with one and I bought the first skeleton for $800.

561
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,720
I sold it for $1,003.

562
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:56,720
And I said to myself, if I lose, I've just gotten $800 worth of experience in one skeleton to be put in my room forever.

563
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,720
But it's, and it took off. So I think you start small.

564
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,720
The biggest thing I worry about for our listeners out there who are thinking about starting your own business is this.

565
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,720
If you watch Shark Tank, Mark Cuban, my favorite shark.

566
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:17,720
He always says, he once said this thing, you start a business when you have a real good idea or product.

567
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,720
You try that out, you test it out, it works. And then you go all in on it.

568
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,720
Be an entrepreneur, not a one-troponeur.

569
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,720
A one-troponeur is someone who says, I want to be an entrepreneur. Let me think. What can I do?

570
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,720
Oh, maybe I'll sell these fake microphones or this real microphone.

571
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,720
Excuse me. They are real. Thank you very much.

572
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,720
Yeah, jeez. Okay. Or maybe they want to sell fake ones that look like real ones.

573
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:47,720
Then they start looking around for, and they kill themselves because they have half-baked business idea.

574
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,720
Just because they want to be an entrepreneur.

575
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:57,720
So an entrepreneur is someone who actually, for me, I believe is that you have an idea, you run with it, and then you take the leap.

576
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,720
I take the leap and then I figure, I mean, sometimes it works both ways.

577
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,720
So basically it's dedication and commitment to what you want to do.

578
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,720
Yeah. And I think there's a lot of courage and stupidity involved as well.

579
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,720
Oh yeah, a lot of stupidity.

580
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:19,720
In your opinion, man, these days, what are the top three reasons, just three, for people leaving their jobs?

581
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,720
By your experience?

582
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,720
The boss.

583
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,720
So really, employees quit their bosses. They don't quit their jobs.

584
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:40,720
They quit their boss. So one is the boss. And it could be that the boss leaves, the new boss comes in, and then they go like, oh shucks, this is changing dynamics.

585
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,720
Right.

586
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:48,720
I think some people leave also because they get bored. They get bored with the work they do.

587
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:55,720
And interestingly, when people are bored with the work they do, sometimes it's legit, sometimes it's not legit.

588
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:56,720
Right.

589
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:03,720
So we get clients coming to us saying, actually, I left my job. I love my boss. The money is good.

590
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,720
And it's what I've been doing this for the past five years. I'm very bored. I want to see what's out there.

591
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,720
I want to see whether there's better things, more money, whatever. And it's perfectly fine.

592
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,720
Right.

593
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,720
Okay. But sometimes you have a good thing going.

594
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:16,720
Right.

595
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,720
Okay. You just need to find stuff within your job to do that makes it more exciting.

596
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:25,720
But then you go outside and for that, I tell them your diagnosis is IBS.

597
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,720
You know what IBS is?

598
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,720
Irritable bowel syndrome.

599
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,720
Yeah. In this case, it's itchy backside syndrome.

600
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,720
Because you're itchy backside. You're sitting down. It's like, no, it's nice. Oh, what do I do?

601
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:39,720
I used to call it the pretty girlfriend syndrome.

602
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,720
So you're married, no, everything's all fine, but you see a pretty girl and you go, hmm.

603
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,720
Right. So don't do that. Sometimes the solution is found within your company.

604
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,720
But sometimes, okay, girlfriend story aside, okay.

605
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,720
You need to know why you're leaving.

606
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,720
Leave for the right reason. Join the company for the right reason.

607
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,720
Right.

608
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,720
If these two are settled, I think you should move.

609
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,720
But sometimes the itchy backside syndrome, the itch is so damn deep inside.

610
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,720
There's an itch you just cannot fucking scratch. You know what I mean?

611
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:11,720
Yeah.

612
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:19,720
For some people, right? I mean, the sense of adventure, you know, to just go forward and really venture in a new, you know.

613
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,720
The unexplored territory. That chart of that map in front of you.

614
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,720
You go, how would it be if I'm there, if I'm there, you know.

615
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,720
And I think it's okay if you got your money settled and everything's all done. Your kids, you know.

616
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,720
The biggest thing is money, I would say.

617
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,720
Wouldn't it be about that? I mean, that's why I asked you the top three reasons, you know.

618
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,720
I mean, first, you said it's your boss. Second, it would be the sense of adventure.

619
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,720
I want to get the fuck out and try something new.

620
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,720
Third thing is would be?

621
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,720
A lot of times it's money.

622
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,720
It's that, right.

623
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:52,720
Money, money, money.

624
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:58,720
It's the money. And for the last, say, you've had career agility for how long?

625
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,720
Oh, it's been five years already.

626
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,720
Five years, okay. But you've been a headhunter for, I mean, if you compare it to...

627
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,720
I was a headhunter for a very long time.

628
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,720
A very long time, right? Okay. So these three reasons you just cited,

629
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,720
are they any different from, say, people you've met 10, 20 years ago?

630
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,720
I think it's always been quite universal.

631
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:26,720
The quit the boss one. So when I was headhunting, whenever I needed to get someone to leave his comfortable job,

632
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,720
to talk to my client so that they can explore, so that I can pull him over.

633
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,720
One of the first questions I would ask him is, how's your boss?

634
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,720
So my boss is good. My boss is great. I love to be here.

635
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,720
Then I ask him, how long has your boss been there?

636
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,720
Oh, he's been here for 15 years, but he's going to retire next year.

637
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,720
I say, who's the new boss coming in? I don't know.

638
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,720
And then that's a little hook which you pull him out.

639
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:54,720
This is your hot button.

640
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,720
The hot button. So whenever we want to trigger someone, a headhunter,

641
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,720
whenever it's a headhunter, and I'm filling out our black arts here, okay.

642
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,720
If you want to trigger the person to who's...

643
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,720
And you see, the type of headhunting I did was called retain search,

644
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,720
which means that they pay us money, we look for the people.

645
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,720
It's not like your normal searches where if I can find someone, you pay me.

646
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,720
They pay us, we map the market, we hunt, oh, these three guys are the best.

647
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,720
These three guys don't want to leave their jobs because they're star performers.

648
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,720
I don't want to have people who are desperate for jobs for my client because something's wrong.

649
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,720
So these star performers do not want to move.

650
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,720
So it requires a lot of skill and finesse to be able to even pull them to the table.

651
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:42,720
So one of the black arts that we do is this.

652
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,720
You got to find that, you got to find that pinch.

653
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:45,720
The hook, yeah.

654
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,720
Okay. Hook him, pinch him, pull him in.

655
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,720
One of it is the job. It's the boss.

656
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,720
Can you see yourself working with the new boss?

657
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:54,720
And then you go, no, cannot, no.

658
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,720
And I say, yeah, why not just have a conversation?

659
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,720
So that's where the boss is.

660
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,720
The second thing, it's the second hook, same thing as well.

661
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,720
Can you see yourself doing this job for the next 10 years?

662
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,720
No, I can't.

663
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,720
Well, our client has got plans for you.

664
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:11,720
The progression.

665
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,720
The progression, I think, for you.

666
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,720
See, and then the third thing is the money.

667
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:19,720
So for those same three reasons, are the same three trigger points.

668
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,720
To hook into the guy and pull him over to the table for a conversation.

669
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:29,720
And even when the individual wants to, after the offer is being made,

670
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,720
and if he's having second doubts, like second thoughts about it,

671
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,720
maybe I don't want to move.

672
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,720
We remind him again, your boss is not going to be there to take care of you.

673
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,720
Or do you want to be your own boss now?

674
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,720
You've been standing in the shadow for so many years.

675
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,720
So these are all the black arts that we do.

676
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,720
And we pull them over and that's what we are paid for.

677
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,720
That's what Top 10 Haters does.

678
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,720
That's what you're paid for.

679
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,720
It's the push, pull, it's the sayang, it's the prodding,

680
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,720
or the management, the whole process that we do.

681
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,720
Basically, sales.

682
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,720
Sales, exactly.

683
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,720
It's selling, everything you just said to me is all selling.

684
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:04,720
It's selling, isn't it?

685
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,720
Of course it is.

686
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,720
And that's one of the key life skills I always say that we need to have.

687
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,720
Everybody must learn how to be a good salesperson.

688
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,720
Regardless of what you do, especially for your job.

689
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,720
Especially for our kids.

690
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,720
I think if you make them have at least just one month of holiday job selling...

691
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,720
Selling something.

692
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,720
Superwear or whatever.

693
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:24,720
Whatever.

694
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,720
I think the selling piece is just fantastic.

695
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:34,720
You know, you mentioned earlier, I don't want to be stuck in one place forever

696
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,720
the rest of my life.

697
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,720
I better move on, right?

698
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,720
But I remember in the past, I don't think that's the case today.

699
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,720
Correct me if I'm wrong.

700
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:54,720
Great scrutiny from headhunters and from HR people in companies is placed on a

701
00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:02,720
person's resume based on, for example, one of the things though, how many jobs

702
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,720
that this person actually held over a certain period of time.

703
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,720
So whether or not to determine whether the person's a job hopper.

704
00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:13,720
And then after that, the conclusion or assumption would be that, A, this guy's

705
00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:16,720
loyalty is a little questionable, right?

706
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:20,720
But then in recent times, again, I can stand corrected.

707
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:27,720
Is it true that people now, HR and headhunters, would prefer to have someone

708
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:33,720
who hadn't had more experience because the person's had a myriad worth of jobs?

709
00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:39,720
And the assumption that maybe that person would have had acquired new skills and

710
00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:43,720
learned and then had the experience to handle more things.

711
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:44,720
Am I right or wrong?

712
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:45,720
But you're right.

713
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:46,720
We've seen the shift.

714
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:48,720
But once again, it all depends.

715
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:52,720
Because a person can be in a company for 15 years, but if you look at this

716
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:56,720
progression in the organization, it's grown, new field, new country, new

717
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:58,720
portfolio, new responsibilities.

718
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:00,720
I think that's good.

719
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:05,720
So you could be in the same job, you could be in the same company doing different

720
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:10,720
jobs, or you could be in the same company doing the same boring, stupid job for

721
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:13,720
the past 15 years and it's no progression.

722
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:14,720
So it all depends.

723
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:19,720
And then we see individuals who every two years they leave.

724
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,720
And once again, we want to see as headhunters, we want to see the pattern.

725
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:26,720
Are they moving to something bigger, better, more exciting, bigger scope?

726
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:31,720
If there's a trend of growth, progression, a trajectory, that's good.

727
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:34,720
But when we see a lateral move into another different industry.

728
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,720
So we had this individual once.

729
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:41,720
He spent the first five years in education, and then he went to logistics.

730
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:45,720
After he went to insurance, after that you get the picture.

731
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,720
A Rolling Stone gathers no more.

732
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:52,720
And for us, that's the biggest red flag over someone who doesn't really know what

733
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,720
he wants or is a person who cannot fit in.

734
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:58,720
But it all depends on how old this person is.

735
00:35:58,720 --> 00:35:59,720
It all depends also.

736
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:02,720
So if you're in your 20s, it's fine.

737
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:04,720
You can skip around, get experiences.

738
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:10,720
But in your 30s, you really need to settle down, get a domain, be an expert in it.

739
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:14,720
Like for yourself, in your 30s, what were you doing in your 30s?

740
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,720
I'd rather not say on air.

741
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:20,720
The statute of limitations are over, I'm sure.

742
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:21,720
No, no, no, no, no, no.

743
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:26,720
I mean, I really cannot, I really can't, based on corporate governance on that particular side.

744
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:30,720
But I can just simply say that I've always stood on two industries.

745
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:31,720
Which are?

746
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:36,720
And as a veteran, I would not mention the first one, especially on this podcast show.

747
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:37,720
On the second?

748
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,720
The second would be, well, being behind a microphone.

749
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:41,720
Yeah.

750
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:42,720
And that's where you gain.

751
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,720
I mean, we all have different areas where we stand on.

752
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:51,720
And it's fine because we are not a single dimensional person, right?

753
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:56,720
So if you look at your experience behind the mic, it's been varied.

754
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:58,720
It's been progressive.

755
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:02,720
And if you look at it, even today, you see all that has come to the point where you're

756
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,720
doing videos, you're doing...

757
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:05,720
Okay.

758
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:06,720
Isn't it?

759
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:07,720
You looked at it that way.

760
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:08,720
Yeah.

761
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:09,720
So it's okay.

762
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:11,720
So this is your chosen field, your profession.

763
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:12,720
And I think that's good.

764
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:16,720
Some people in their 30s and 40s still haven't quite figured out what their chosen profession

765
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:17,720
is.

766
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:18,720
So they're still hopping around.

767
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:19,720
And that's where it gets difficult.

768
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:24,720
Because if you're in your 40s and you don't have the domain expertise in one particular

769
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:30,720
space, or functional expertise, it's hard to land a good job.

770
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,720
Because they're going to look at you and they go like, yeah, but you're not the expert.

771
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:37,720
The 30 year old guy, the 35 year old guy has got so much more experience than you.

772
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:39,720
Because he decided what he was good at.

773
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:40,720
Or to be good at.

774
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:41,720
Yeah.

775
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:42,720
So it's difficult if you are a...

776
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:47,360
If the person is a jack of all trades, master of none, what he should be is a jack of all

777
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,720
trades, master of some.

778
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:52,720
So certain elements you're really good at.

779
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:55,720
Because if you're just good at one thing, it's still not good enough.

780
00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:58,720
Master of some instead of none.

781
00:37:58,720 --> 00:37:59,720
Yeah.

782
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:00,720
Master of some.

783
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:01,720
So jack of all trades, master of some.

784
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:05,720
And I think that's going to set you aside from a lot of other people.

785
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:06,720
Oh, fuck man.

786
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:07,720
I'm screwed.

787
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:08,720
Okay.

788
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:09,720
I don't think so.

789
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:10,720
You're doing well.

790
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:11,720
I'm screwed, man.

791
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:12,720
I'm screwed.

792
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,720
What do you think of HR policies today?

793
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:22,160
In general, in terms of employee welfare, you have a wish list of how employee welfare

794
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,160
can be improved?

795
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,160
Wow.

796
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,720
There's a reason why I ask this question.

797
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,720
There's a reason because I'm going to move to the next.

798
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,720
I'm right after your answer.

799
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:31,720
Yeah.

800
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:35,720
Well, there is a war for talent right now, for good talent.

801
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:36,720
Okay.

802
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:41,720
So HR is trying very hard to, the organizations are trying very hard to attract all these

803
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:43,720
interesting, good, super talented people.

804
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,720
Is it rare nowadays, finding super talented people?

805
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,720
It's getting competitive because right now what they're looking for are niche players.

806
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:51,720
Oh.

807
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:53,720
Very, very specific people.

808
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:54,720
With specific skills.

809
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:55,720
Very specific skills.

810
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:56,720
Right.

811
00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:57,720
A very specific set of skills.

812
00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:58,720
Right.

813
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:00,720
Like Liam Neeson in Taken.

814
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:04,720
So, skills, you have a whole number of lifetime.

815
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:06,720
A very specific set of skills.

816
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,720
I will find you and I will kill you.

817
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:11,720
Those specific skills, okay.

818
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:12,720
Good one.

819
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:13,720
So, so-

820
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:17,720
So trades are great now actually, to be a person in a trade.

821
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:18,720
Actually, I absolutely agree.

822
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:23,720
You know, if I was once asked by somebody, I said, no, if Google invented an AI that could

823
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:27,720
be, that could replace a career coach, what would you do?

824
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:28,720
And their job's totally gone.

825
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:29,720
You know what I'll do?

826
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:31,720
I will take one year off.

827
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:32,720
Right.

828
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:34,720
I'll get certified to be a plumber.

829
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:35,720
Yeah.

830
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:36,720
And I'll clean other people's toilet bowls.

831
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:37,720
Oh man.

832
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:39,720
Man, that job pays.

833
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:40,720
Yeah.

834
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,720
That job, you'll never get out of business.

835
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:43,720
Right.

836
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:44,720
Okay.

837
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:45,720
Yeah.

838
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:46,720
That's why in Australia, the tradies-

839
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,720
Are the ones that are very, quite respected actually.

840
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:49,720
They are.

841
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:50,720
They are, yeah.

842
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:54,720
I still remember five years back, I was in UK and I was staying in one of those homestay

843
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:55,720
things.

844
00:39:55,720 --> 00:40:01,720
And the owner came out and said, please do not flush anything bigger than this size into

845
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:06,720
the toilet bowl because to get a plumber, it's going to cost me 300 pounds.

846
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:07,720
Yeah.

847
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:08,720
I was going like, yeah, seriously?

848
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:09,720
So there's the thing.

849
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:10,720
Singapore hasn't caught up with that.

850
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:17,720
I don't know if you watched the episode I had last season with Kenneth Wong and he started

851
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:18,720
this company called Catch.

852
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:19,720
It's a locksmith.

853
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:20,720
Yes.

854
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:21,720
I saw that one.

855
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:22,720
And he was the guy, he's an academic man.

856
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:24,720
He was a senior lecturer in polytechnics, right?

857
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:29,720
And prior to that, he had experience, prior experience in public relations and all that,

858
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:30,720
right?

859
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,720
And then now he's a locksmith and he's so fucking happy being a locksmith.

860
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:39,720
But I tell you the trouble with Singaporean customers, the consumer, they haggle with

861
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:43,720
you and they look at you as if you're just a 3D, you know what I mean?

862
00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:46,720
And I think that's yet to catch up with our vile culture here.

863
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:48,720
I think we are so fucking snobbish about this shit.

864
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:53,720
And that's why I think if I were to start up, restart again, I would start at a high

865
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:55,720
end toilet cleaning business.

866
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:57,720
High end, high end.

867
00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:58,720
High end, high end.

868
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:02,720
Just service bungalows, landfills properties, all the GCBs.

869
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:03,720
Yeah.

870
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:08,720
And we'll get, I'll get more educated people appearing to clean up.

871
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:09,720
Good afternoon, sir.

872
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:11,720
May I clean out your washroom?

873
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:15,720
He's more like a butler service dude.

874
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:16,720
More like a butler service.

875
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:17,720
But I think there's a niche.

876
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:21,720
So I believe if I had to reboot, I would reboot in a trade.

877
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:22,720
Right.

878
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:25,720
I think it's so absolutely, you're absolutely right.

879
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:30,720
The tradies, they're respected in other countries, but Singapore.

880
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:31,720
Yeah.

881
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:32,720
Sadly.

882
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:33,720
There's a solution to it.

883
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:34,720
Yeah.

884
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:35,720
Which is?

885
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:36,720
Painful and impossible to implement.

886
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:37,720
Yeah.

887
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:40,720
Ban all Malaysians, foreigners, whatever, from doing that.

888
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,720
And you cannot, because then the price of the thing goes up.

889
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:44,720
Let me tell you why it cannot.

890
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:45,720
Let me tell you why.

891
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:49,720
As you said just now, this is a scrunch right now, looking for super talented people who

892
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:51,720
are niche, right?

893
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:58,720
And the reason why we have this issue is because people today don't want to work in anything

894
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:05,720
that's simenial, you know, or is laborious or, you know, is blue or considered blue collar.

895
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:06,720
Yeah.

896
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:11,720
For example, even now, if you take a look, we are having issues with the hawker business.

897
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:12,720
Oh yeah.

898
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:13,720
Right.

899
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:15,720
We're having issues, even worse, coffee shop business.

900
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:16,720
Oh yeah.

901
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:17,720
Cleaners.

902
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:18,720
Exactly.

903
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:19,720
Cleaners is one thing.

904
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:22,720
So, we came up with this thing about returning your trays and all that.

905
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:23,720
People who maybe lost their jobs.

906
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:24,720
I don't know.

907
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:25,720
I'm not sure.

908
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:28,720
But one thing is for sure is that your kopi kia.

909
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:33,200
The guy working in a coffee shop helping you clean the tables, not just that, also fix

910
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,720
the coffee for you and all that.

911
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:40,720
Nowadays, it's very hard to find workers to take those roles because now they're cafes.

912
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:46,720
So the young today, even if they're not a graduate or not a poly holder, poly diploma

913
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,720
holder, what would they do if they're going to do work like this?

914
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:51,720
They work in a cafe.

915
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:54,720
I'm now a barrister.

916
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,720
And Singaporeans don't even want to do that.

917
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:57,720
Exactly.

918
00:42:57,720 --> 00:42:58,720
Even at that level.

919
00:42:58,720 --> 00:42:59,720
Exactly.

920
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:00,720
Let me share with you, okay?

921
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:05,720
Singaporeans, fellow Singaporeans here, I can tell you that we are a bit spoiled.

922
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:06,720
A bit, huh?

923
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:07,720
A bit.

924
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:08,720
Right.

925
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:09,720
That's a fucking understatement.

926
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:16,720
Let me tell you a typical conversation for recruitment, between a recruiter and a candidate.

927
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:19,720
Hi, we got a job that's really good.

928
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:20,720
It's really exciting.

929
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:21,720
Oh really?

930
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:22,720
Wow, that's great.

931
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:23,720
Where is it?

932
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:24,720
It's in Jurong, Doan.

933
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:25,720
Why?

934
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:26,720
Too far away.

935
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:27,720
Too far.

936
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:28,720
Where are you staying?

937
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:29,720
Doan asked.

938
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:30,720
Say what?

939
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:31,720
There's no far way.

940
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:32,720
No, too far.

941
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:33,720
I want to work in a town.

942
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:36,720
Oh, we got another job at Shantung Way.

943
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:37,720
It's a long Shantung Way.

944
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:38,720
It's a really good job.

945
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:39,720
The money is good.

946
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:41,720
Got shelter from MRT or no?

947
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:42,720
Oh my gosh.

948
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:43,720
No, no shelter.

949
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:44,720
I don't want.

950
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:48,720
So, I'm not making this up, okay?

951
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:52,720
We are spoiled, rightly or wrongly so.

952
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:57,720
Okay, it's a, I wouldn't say it's a happy problem to have, but it's a blessing to be

953
00:43:57,720 --> 00:43:58,720
so choosy at this level.

954
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:02,720
Whereas the Malaysian, give it to me, whatever it is.

955
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:03,720
Exactly.

956
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:04,720
These people are more hungry, right?

957
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:08,720
Now, which leads me to this point, the reason why I ask you this question is because you

958
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:09,720
heard of Glassdoor, right?

959
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:10,720
Yeah.

960
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:14,720
What's your opinion on that stupid fucking forum called Glassdoor?

961
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:16,720
I think it's stupid.

962
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,720
You heard me say it.

963
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:19,720
It's fucking stupid.

964
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:20,720
Okay.

965
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:25,720
And I think employers should have one for themselves and exchange information.

966
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:29,720
So, my business partner, Ian and I, we all have this ongoing job, okay?

967
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:30,720
Yeah.

968
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:31,720
Glassdoor should be renamed Toilet Door.

969
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:33,720
Because it's the same stuff, same principle.

970
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:36,720
People are bored, nothing to do, they are taking a dump and then they go, you write

971
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,720
something on the toilet door, okay?

972
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:39,720
Something disparaging.

973
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:48,720
So, if you see bad comments about the company, the CEO or whatever it is, who are the people

974
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,720
who actually spend time on Glassdoor to write something nasty or vindictive?

975
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:55,720
Those are really people who have been pissed off to the point where I can't take it anymore.

976
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:57,720
I really need to vent.

977
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,720
So, a lot of the negative comments there, there's no smoke without fire.

978
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:01,720
That's true.

979
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:05,720
But these people are pissed off.

980
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:06,720
Right.

981
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:07,720
So, not objective anymore.

982
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:08,720
Right.

983
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:12,720
And then you see the wonderful, glorious, oh, the CEO is great, it's a great place to

984
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:13,720
work.

985
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:16,720
Those are done by HR in damage control.

986
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:19,720
So, they got into Glassdoor and undercover work.

987
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,720
That's why it's like a toilet door.

988
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:24,720
You don't really believe what you're taking a dump and you're reading the toilet door.

989
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:30,720
But how many people do you think are really taking the stuff they read in Glassdoor seriously?

990
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:31,720
I think a lot of people are.

991
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:32,720
Exactly.

992
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:33,720
That's the fucking problem.

993
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:34,720
So, that's the problem.

994
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:35,720
Yeah.

995
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:38,720
So, it's got to take a shovel of salt, actually.

996
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:44,720
No, you see, the thing is we, you, me, guys like you, guys like me, can take that with

997
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:46,720
a shovel of salt.

998
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:52,720
But for these people, the young ones, they're taking these things rather seriously.

999
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:55,720
And that's scary as far as I'm concerned.

1000
00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:57,720
But I do subscribe to Maxim.

1001
00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:59,720
There's no smoke without fire.

1002
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:00,720
Well, yeah.

1003
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:03,720
So, taking a pinch of salt, but it's an indication of...

1004
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:05,720
Okay, let's put it this way.

1005
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:06,720
There's no perfect job anyway.

1006
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:07,720
There's no perfect company.

1007
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:08,720
There's no perfect job.

1008
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:09,720
Well, why don't we just put it this way.

1009
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:16,720
There's no, there is maybe perhaps a lack of resilience today in the workforce.

1010
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:17,720
There is.

1011
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:18,720
I agree.

1012
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,720
I mean, we can always say, yeah, people leave their jobs because they're their bosses, you

1013
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:25,720
know, about wages and a myriad of other things.

1014
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:32,720
But at the end of the day, flip side is that how resilient is this person to, isn't it?

1015
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:35,720
Or how resilient is this generation of Gen Z?

1016
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:36,720
Now we're going there.

1017
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:37,720
Now we're going to go there.

1018
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:39,720
Now we're going to go there, which leads me to my next question.

1019
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:40,720
Yeah.

1020
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:44,720
What is lacking amongst today's workers in the labor force?

1021
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:49,720
Do you expect better productivity or now that you mentioned this?

1022
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:51,720
You see, that's funny, you see.

1023
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:56,720
As much as we poop on Gen Zers and millennials, right?

1024
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:57,720
No, no, no, no, no, not pooping on them.

1025
00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:58,720
We're just talking.

1026
00:46:58,720 --> 00:46:59,720
No, no, no.

1027
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:00,720
I mean, in general, in general.

1028
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:02,720
I'm telling you, a lot of people are going to be fucking flaming us.

1029
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:03,720
But I'm telling you why, why.

1030
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:04,720
As much as we poop about them, okay.

1031
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:08,720
When we started our work, the baby poofers were pooping on us.

1032
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:09,720
You stupid idiots, you young ass.

1033
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:11,720
So my first job was in Shell, right?

1034
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:12,720
Yeah.

1035
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:13,720
My boss, old timer.

1036
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:16,720
I still remember the first orientation I had with him.

1037
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,720
You young graduates, huh?

1038
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:21,720
You think you know everything, huh?

1039
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:23,720
You think you can change the world, huh?

1040
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:24,720
I tell you, you cannot.

1041
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:25,720
Okay.

1042
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:27,720
This is the way it is.

1043
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:28,720
Okay.

1044
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:29,720
You, yeah.

1045
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:30,720
Basically, he had a term for us.

1046
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,720
Last time was no Gen X, Gen Y.

1047
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,720
He just called us young farts.

1048
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:36,720
You young farts think you know everything.

1049
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:37,720
Okay.

1050
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:42,720
And I always have a good laugh about it because whenever I turn to a Gen Zer and I start thinking,

1051
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,720
you know, every generation poops on the next.

1052
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:47,720
So likewise, the big joke now is this.

1053
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:53,720
Gen Z was put on us to annoy the millennials who were annoying the Gen Xers.

1054
00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:55,720
Guess what, man?

1055
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:57,720
You and me, the X-Generals, right?

1056
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:01,720
I'm sorry, but we have the millennials and the Gen Zers that are annoying us.

1057
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:05,720
And as much as we are annoyed by the Gen Zers, we are annoying the Gen Zers as well.

1058
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:06,720
Well, yeah.

1059
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:07,720
I mean, yeah.

1060
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:08,720
Yeah.

1061
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:12,720
But I get even more particularly annoyed when you call me a boomer when I'm actually not a boomer.

1062
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:13,720
You know what I mean?

1063
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:16,720
Because boomers actually belong to our parents, actually.

1064
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:17,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1065
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:18,720
These people are getting it fucking wrong.

1066
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:25,720
So if you ask me what's missing in this Gen Z, on one hand, I like to say,

1067
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:31,720
publicly, we cannot broad brush everybody because they're always outliers.

1068
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:32,720
So it's not fair.

1069
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:38,720
I think being resilient is a skill that needs to be learned a bit more.

1070
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:39,720
Yeah.

1071
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:40,720
Be resilient.

1072
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:41,720
Starting from school.

1073
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:42,720
Starting from school.

1074
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:43,720
No, starting from parents.

1075
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:44,720
Thank you very much.

1076
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:45,720
Parents.

1077
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:46,720
We are parents, we know.

1078
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:53,720
I am the biggest, most guilty person for being helicoptering my kids, for being a helicopter parent.

1079
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:55,720
Those that are, you know, so I'm one of those.

1080
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:56,720
Really?

1081
00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:57,720
It's terrible.

1082
00:48:57,720 --> 00:48:59,720
I actually admit that.

1083
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:00,720
I admit it.

1084
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:01,720
Okay.

1085
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:02,720
So right now I'm trying to...

1086
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:03,720
What the fuck?

1087
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:04,720
It's terrible.

1088
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:05,720
Okay, I'm not...

1089
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:08,720
You know it's terrible yet.

1090
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:11,720
So it's, okay, example.

1091
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:12,720
Yeah.

1092
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:17,720
So for, it's, there's so many examples.

1093
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:20,720
So it's like kids want to go to the playground.

1094
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:21,720
Yeah.

1095
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:22,720
Say, eh, okay, but let me...

1096
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:23,720
So you see in the playground.

1097
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:24,720
No, that's not helicoptering.

1098
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:25,720
No, no, no.

1099
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:26,720
You see the Ang Mo kids.

1100
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:27,720
Yeah.

1101
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:28,720
Okay.

1102
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:29,720
They fall down.

1103
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:30,720
They fall down and the parents just reading.

1104
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:31,720
Get up.

1105
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:32,720
They don't care.

1106
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:33,720
Get up.

1107
00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:34,720
Yeah, but that's not really helicoptering.

1108
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:35,720
Let me give you worse examples.

1109
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:36,720
Oh.

1110
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:37,720
You know what really gets on my tits.

1111
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:38,720
Okay.

1112
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:39,720
Okay.

1113
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:40,720
Oh gosh.

1114
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:47,720
When my boy was in primary school, there was a vending machine selling soft drinks.

1115
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:48,720
Fucking parents.

1116
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:49,720
Logic complaint.

1117
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:53,720
A petition to the school to have it removed because it's sugary drinks.

1118
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:54,720
Okay.

1119
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:56,720
And I'm thinking to myself, what the fuck's wrong with you people, man?

1120
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:59,720
Do you really think your kid's going to get childhood diabetes?

1121
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:00,720
You know?

1122
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:05,720
And then if you want, you're missing an opportunity, missing an opportunity for proper parenting

1123
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:08,720
for you to tell, teach them to resist.

1124
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:09,720
Yeah.

1125
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:11,720
And tell them you can only have this once a week or whatever.

1126
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:12,720
Yeah.

1127
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:13,720
Right?

1128
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:17,720
And have them learn some self-discipline instead of taking something away and being

1129
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:22,720
a demanding, piss-ass, real asshole of a parent to schools.

1130
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:23,720
Right?

1131
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:24,720
I actually went in the opposite direction.

1132
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,720
I went, why did you do it?

1133
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:28,720
Right?

1134
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:35,080
And then recently, recently, there's been this hullabaloo in my, in the secondary school

1135
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,320
my boy is in.

1136
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,720
I won't mention, I mean, people who watch the show would know.

1137
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:44,720
But anyway, and it's about, in the past, the school authorities were pretty good about

1138
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:45,720
this.

1139
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:46,720
They were saying, you know, these guys are going to learn to grow up.

1140
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:49,720
We've allowed, we're allowing them to bring their handphones into school, but they can't

1141
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:50,720
use it during class.

1142
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:54,720
They can use it during recess or in between classes or whatever.

1143
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:57,720
We get to learn to be adults, right?

1144
00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:01,720
But no, you have a bunch of idiotic parents who come in and complain, what kind of school

1145
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:02,720
is this?

1146
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:03,720
You allowed the handphone, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1147
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:04,720
They're not socializing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1148
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,720
To me, in my head, it's this, you know.

1149
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:14,720
One makes you think that this digital generation will be able to appreciate the fact that you

1150
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:15,720
take this away from them.

1151
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:16,720
Number one.

1152
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:20,720
Number two, this thing about digital addiction, addiction to the handphone and blah, blah,

1153
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,720
blah, that's your job, not the fucking school's job.

1154
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:25,720
They're not making it difficult for you.

1155
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:26,720
It's the parents.

1156
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:27,720
Exactly.

1157
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:28,720
The third thing is this.

1158
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:33,720
What makes you think they're not socializing with their, through their devices?

1159
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:35,720
We socialized differently before.

1160
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:36,720
That's true.

1161
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:37,720
We socialized differently this way.

1162
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:38,720
That's true.

1163
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:39,720
Right?

1164
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:40,720
So what makes us think that they're not?

1165
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:44,720
And then on top of that, you're going to have them be left behind in the digital future?

1166
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:48,720
If that's the case, why don't you fucking stop using your phone?

1167
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:50,720
Oh, our kids are not mature enough.

1168
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:52,720
Then now you're blaming nature.

1169
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:54,720
Have you ever heard about nurture?

1170
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:56,720
Don't you want to nurture them instead?

1171
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:57,720
But you fucking blame nature.

1172
00:51:57,720 --> 00:51:58,720
Ding-bats!

1173
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:05,720
And I live, when you go out for dinner, and you see the next table, the dining table,

1174
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:06,720
everyone's on the phone.

1175
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:07,720
Yeah.

1176
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:08,720
No, no, no.

1177
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:09,720
Look, listen.

1178
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:10,720
And it's like the social interaction.

1179
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:11,720
No, no.

1180
00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:12,720
I know.

1181
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:13,720
You see, that's the thing.

1182
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:18,720
If that happens in your family, and the guys on, your kids are on the phone, and everyone

1183
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:22,720
else is also on the phone, during dinner and the one's interacting, that's wrong.

1184
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:24,720
I am saying this.

1185
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:28,720
This is your opportunity then to be a good parent and say, guys, put the devices down.

1186
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:29,720
Let's talk.

1187
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:30,720
Let's have a good time.

1188
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:31,720
Let's laugh.

1189
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:32,720
Teachable moments.

1190
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:33,720
Exactly.

1191
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:34,720
These are teachable moments, right?

1192
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,720
And then they know that during these moments is family time.

1193
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:38,720
It's family time.

1194
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:43,720
I am not saying that the device is entirely a good thing, but I am also not saying that

1195
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:45,720
it's entirely a bad thing.

1196
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:46,720
Yeah, that's right.

1197
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:51,720
Because these are moments that you would see as an opportunity to be, to exercise some

1198
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:54,720
good parenting and to raise your kid.

1199
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:55,720
But you don't have those opportunities.

1200
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:56,720
What are you there for?

1201
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:59,720
You're just a fucking shadow in the corner of the house.

1202
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:02,720
So, talking about helicoptering the kids, right?

1203
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:05,720
I still think that Singaporeans are not as bad as the Americans yet.

1204
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:07,720
So, I think it's still quite okay.

1205
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:10,720
The Americans know they get merit prizes for turning up, things like this.

1206
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:15,720
And it reflects now, and you see the universities in the US, they're a bunch of babies.

1207
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:18,720
Yeah, but workism is the worst thing in America, worse than Singapore.

1208
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:19,720
I agree with you.

1209
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:22,720
But here's the problem, man.

1210
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:24,720
We're going to get there and we're going to get there fast.

1211
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:25,720
I think so too.

1212
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:26,720
It's very simple.

1213
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:28,720
You just take a look at linguistics, okay?

1214
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,720
You take a look at how people speak today.

1215
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:31,720
I keep saying this.

1216
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:32,720
I've said this before.

1217
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:33,720
I sound like a fucking parrot on my show.

1218
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:35,720
I have to use this example.

1219
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:36,720
This is one fine example.

1220
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,720
Language is Americanized.

1221
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:42,720
Root all of a sudden becomes route.

1222
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:44,720
I'm going to take that route and go this route and go...

1223
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:46,720
But you understand me well.

1224
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:47,720
That's not the point.

1225
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:51,720
The point is just because, you know, two does not make a right.

1226
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:53,720
It's wrong, right?

1227
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:55,720
I mean, at the end of the day, it's root.

1228
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:57,720
And this is the right way to say it.

1229
00:53:57,720 --> 00:53:59,720
You don't say route, isn't it?

1230
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:02,720
So this is just one example.

1231
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:06,720
And then the beginning of every sentence with the fucking word like.

1232
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:09,720
Like, you know, like, you know, like, you know.

1233
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:11,720
I mean, where the fuck did it come from?

1234
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:12,720
Fucking California.

1235
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:13,720
That's a very good accent, right?

1236
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:14,720
Yeah.

1237
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:15,720
So it's like...

1238
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:21,720
It's a very good like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, whatever.

1239
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,720
Like, you know, like, you know.

1240
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:26,720
So, you know, when we think about all these little things,

1241
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:30,720
you guys crept in and it's going to be worse.

1242
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:31,720
It's going to get worse.

1243
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:32,720
If it's a little bit, it's okay.

1244
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:33,720
But some people just fake it all the way.

1245
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:34,720
I know what...

1246
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:35,720
Not guess my goat.

1247
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:36,720
Yeah.

1248
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:38,720
People who go overseas for one week, two weeks,

1249
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:41,720
and they come back and they speak with the accent.

1250
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:42,720
Speak with the accent.

1251
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:46,720
I want to see people go away to Denmark and come back with that accent.

1252
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:47,720
I challenge that.

1253
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:50,720
You know, it's freaking fake assholes.

1254
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:52,720
We see a lot of that.

1255
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:56,720
Yeah, but now that we're talking about this generation, man,

1256
00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:01,720
and I know on your own show, right, you did talk about this.

1257
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:07,720
And it's an eight-frickin' minute long video, but I've got it condensed down.

1258
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:10,720
I didn't really take away a lot so that the context of it is still there.

1259
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:16,720
Let's talk about this ranting chick.

1260
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:17,720
Okay, Kai.

1261
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:18,720
Oh, here we go.

1262
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:19,720
Oh, there you go.

1263
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:20,720
There you go.

1264
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:21,720
Hey, Brittany.

1265
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:22,720
Hi.

1266
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:24,720
Yes, I'm so sorry.

1267
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:25,720
My name's Rosie.

1268
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:27,720
I'm just joining the call.

1269
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:30,720
Nice to meet you.

1270
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:32,720
I'm on the HR team.

1271
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:36,720
Hi, Brittany.

1272
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:37,720
Hi.

1273
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:41,720
Thanks for meeting with me and Rosie.

1274
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:44,720
We have an important meeting today.

1275
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:48,720
We've finished our evaluations of 2023 performance.

1276
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:52,720
This is where you've not met CLAFLER expectations for performance.

1277
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:54,720
We've decided to partner with you.

1278
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:56,720
Yeah, I'm going to stop right there.

1279
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:57,720
Sure.

1280
00:55:57,720 --> 00:55:59,720
I'm going to stop right there.

1281
00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:01,720
I'm going to stop right there.

1282
00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:08,720
I've been on a three-month ramp, and then it was three weeks of December,

1283
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:12,720
and then a week of Christmas, and then here we are.

1284
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:19,720
I have had the highest activity amongst my team since I've started.

1285
00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:25,720
I have had three contracts out, done a really great job managing my deals up

1286
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:28,720
until the very end that decided not to close last minute.

1287
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:35,720
So I don't think that that makes a lot of sense for me in my CLAFLER journey

1288
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:36,720
here so far.

1289
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:39,720
Also, every single one-on-one I've had with my manager,

1290
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:43,720
every conversation I've had with him, he has been giving me nothing,

1291
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:45,720
but I am doing a great job.

1292
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:47,720
I have had great activity.

1293
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:49,720
I have really great meetings.

1294
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:54,720
I'm picking up the products very quickly, and things have been going really,

1295
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:55,720
really well.

1296
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:57,720
I make really great relationships with my clients.

1297
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:03,720
So I disagree that my performance hasn't been...

1298
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:07,720
I haven't met performance expectations.

1299
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:13,720
I certainly have, just because I haven't closed anything officially.

1300
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:19,720
Also, why are you doing this and not my manager?

1301
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:25,720
We've never met, so this seems a little odd that my manager has no idea that

1302
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,720
this has been happening, and the director has no idea that this has been

1303
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:29,720
happening.

1304
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:36,720
So I'm just definitely confused, and I would love an explanation that makes

1305
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:37,720
sense.

1306
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,720
Just for clarification, you are not being singled out in this.

1307
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,720
Your peers are also being collectively assessed on performance.

1308
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:49,720
This is a collective calibration for CLAFLER, so I just want to clarify that

1309
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:50,720
piece.

1310
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,720
I won't be able to add any kind of specifics on numbers or...

1311
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:53,720
Wait, yeah, no.

1312
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,720
Can you explain for me why Brittany Peach is getting let go?

1313
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:01,720
I won't be able to go into specifics for numbers.

1314
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,720
Wait, why though?

1315
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:04,720
I just started.

1316
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,720
I've been working extremely hard just because I haven't closed anything that

1317
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:14,720
has nothing to do with my performance on a three-month ramp with just one

1318
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,720
month with two major holidays in the middle.

1319
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:21,720
I don't think that has anything to do with why I should be let go, if that

1320
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:22,720
makes sense.

1321
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,720
So I really need an answer and an explanation as to why Brittany Peach is

1322
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:30,720
getting let go, not why CLAFLER decided to hire too many people and are now

1323
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,720
actually realizing that they can't afford this many people, and they're

1324
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:34,720
letting that go.

1325
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,720
If that's the real answer, I would rather just you tell me that instead of

1326
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,720
making up some bullshit and telling me that right before I lose my job from

1327
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,720
someone that I've never met before, if you can respect that.

1328
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,720
Yeah, I can totally respect that, and I don't think Dom or myself today is

1329
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:56,720
going to give you any clarity or answers that's going to meet the expectations

1330
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,720
that you're communicating to us, Brittany.

1331
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,720
So I can't speak to...

1332
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:06,720
So am I getting let go for no reason, if you guys can't give me a reason?

1333
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:11,720
I'm happy to follow up with you separately to give you the data that was

1334
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:12,720
calibrated.

1335
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:17,720
I need to speak with revenue leadership specifically to see if we can get that

1336
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,720
for you, but Dom and I cannot have that kind of meeting.

1337
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:21,720
Can you share that with me now?

1338
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,720
I cannot share that with you right now, unfortunately.

1339
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,720
Knowing what's been happening with my peers and how extremely frustrated and

1340
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:32,720
upset everyone is, I know you guys must not be able to understand that given

1341
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,720
the positions that you are in, and it must be very easy for you to just have

1342
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,720
these little 10-minute, 15-minute meetings, tell someone that they're fired,

1343
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,720
completely wreck their whole life, and then that's it with no explanation.

1344
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:49,720
That's extremely traumatizing for people, if you can imagine that, and I don't

1345
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,720
think that this is...

1346
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,720
It's just very, very shocking, very, very shocking.

1347
00:59:55,720 --> 01:00:01,720
I have really given my whole energy and life over the last four months to this

1348
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:07,720
job, and to be let go for no reason is a huge slap in the face from a company

1349
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,720
that I really wanted to believe in.

1350
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:16,720
Despite constant positive praise from my manager, great meetings that I'm

1351
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:22,720
having, the amount of activity that I have has all been positive.

1352
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,720
I have not received any negative inclination.

1353
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,720
I have not been put on a performance improvement plan, nothing.

1354
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:36,720
I cannot speak to what your manager has communicated to you directly.

1355
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,720
But that should be the indication of...

1356
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,720
You're letting go for performance based on your attainment and leading

1357
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,720
indicators of data.

1358
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,720
That is the rationale.

1359
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,720
But I've been here for only a month after ramping, and that was during a

1360
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,720
holiday, so I don't understand what those...

1361
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:57,720
Can you explain what those performance metrics are, or is that just like a

1362
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:04,720
vague term to give to everyone that you're speaking to today?

1363
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:10,720
I'll say that the performance indicators and performance metrics are...

1364
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:11,720
Well, they are...

1365
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,720
We're not able to go into specifics, and there's no situation where we will be

1366
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:15,720
able to go into specifics.

1367
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:16,720
Do you guys even know?

1368
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,720
Do you guys even know who you're talking to each day?

1369
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,720
Every single 10, 15 minutes, do you guys even know who you're talking to?

1370
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:29,720
Why you're letting these people go when you don't even understand the kind of

1371
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:34,720
work and everything that they've put in?

1372
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:35,720
I hear you from what you're saying.

1373
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,720
It just doesn't make any sense that you guys have still not been able to give

1374
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:43,720
me a reason why I'm being let go.

1375
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:44,720
Okay.

1376
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:45,720
All right, man.

1377
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:46,720
It's gone viral.

1378
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:47,720
Yeah.

1379
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:48,720
It's gone crazy viral.

1380
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:49,720
Yeah.

1381
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:51,720
So let's talk about this girl.

1382
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,720
So what's your take?

1383
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,720
My take is, okay, number one, it's stupid to film and then release.

1384
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:58,720
Very.

1385
01:01:58,720 --> 01:01:59,720
Okay.

1386
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:00,720
Because, you know, will you hire her?

1387
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:01,720
No.

1388
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:02,720
No, I wouldn't touch her with a 10 foot pole.

1389
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:03,720
No way.

1390
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:04,720
So she's just damaged your own brand.

1391
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:05,720
Yep.

1392
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,720
But that aside, you can record it as is your right.

1393
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:14,720
You can keep it if you want to complain to the authorities or to hire ups in HR

1394
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:15,720
or whatever it is, you can do it.

1395
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:16,720
It's all in your right.

1396
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,720
Letting it go like that, I think it's a poor decision.

1397
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:20,720
Yeah.

1398
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:21,720
No one's ever going to hire.

1399
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:22,720
Yeah.

1400
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:27,720
But if you look at how badly the messaging was by HR, even this is HR.

1401
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:32,720
I know when there are two faces, people whom she had never met before telling her you

1402
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:33,720
lost the job, right?

1403
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:34,720
Yeah.

1404
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,720
The first thing that comes to mind was, remember Josh Clooney in that movie, Up in the Air?

1405
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:38,720
Yeah.

1406
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:39,720
Yeah.

1407
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:40,720
Yeah.

1408
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:41,720
It's basically, it feels like it was a hired hit.

1409
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:42,720
Hired someone outside of Fernandes to let you go.

1410
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:43,720
Yeah.

1411
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:44,720
But the manager had no role in it.

1412
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:45,720
Yeah.

1413
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:51,720
And I don't know whether the manager either didn't know about it or the manager knew about

1414
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:53,720
it, but said, I got no guts.

1415
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:54,720
Why not you go and...

1416
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:55,720
Yeah.

1417
01:02:55,720 --> 01:03:02,600
So a lot of questions, but HR's fault here is that if you want to terminate someone on

1418
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:07,320
the basis of performance, you jolly well have the stats there.

1419
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:08,320
And explain it.

1420
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:09,320
And explain it.

1421
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,680
Or even if you want to fire someone for non-performance, you better put the person on a performance

1422
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:18,680
improvement plan three months before, make sure you give them a fighting chance.

1423
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:19,680
Right.

1424
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:20,680
This was very poorly executed.

1425
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,680
So bad behavior, poor behavior on both sides.

1426
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:24,680
On both sides.

1427
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:25,680
Yeah.

1428
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:32,680
And it's instructive for our listeners out there who are tempted to record and boast

1429
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:33,680
it up.

1430
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:34,680
Don't do it.

1431
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:35,680
Okay.

1432
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:36,680
It's suicidal, right?

1433
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:37,680
It's a serious suicide.

1434
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:42,680
The second thing is for HR or business leaders out there who are watching.

1435
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,680
These notification meetings require training.

1436
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:47,680
Right.

1437
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:48,680
Okay.

1438
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,680
How to handle when a person gets angry.

1439
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,680
What do you do when a person cries?

1440
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:53,680
Yeah.

1441
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,680
So there are nuances involved.

1442
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,680
There are strategies involved.

1443
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:58,680
We provide training for that.

1444
01:03:58,680 --> 01:03:59,680
Oh, you do?

1445
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:00,680
We do.

1446
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:01,680
We do.

1447
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,680
We provide training for that because you never know.

1448
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,680
So I attended a notification.

1449
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,680
These are called notification meetings when someone's being retrenched.

1450
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:10,680
Right.

1451
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,680
So for her, in that case, she was performance fired or lack thereof, lack of performance

1452
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:15,680
firing.

1453
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:24,680
But there was a case where I was pulled in because we provide career coaching for those

1454
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:25,680
who got retrenched.

1455
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:26,680
Right.

1456
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:27,680
So I was pulled in one day.

1457
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:34,680
A client told me, hey, tomorrow, it's Saturday morning, you know, can you come at 9 a.m.

1458
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,680
because we're letting someone go.

1459
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:37,680
He's very senior.

1460
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:38,680
Okay.

1461
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,680
So he's an American guy, a CFO.

1462
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:41,680
Yeah.

1463
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,680
And he's got a bad temper.

1464
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:44,680
Right.

1465
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:45,680
He's got a bad temper.

1466
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:46,680
Okay.

1467
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,680
So we do not know how to handle him.

1468
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:54,680
We're going to notify him, but we want you in the next room to talk to him, calm him

1469
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:59,680
down, and show him and provide him with the CareerCast support, which is called Outplacement.

1470
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:00,680
So I was there.

1471
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,680
I was like, what do you mean by he's got a bad temper?

1472
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,680
Oh, he's been known to slam the table, throw chairs.

1473
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,680
And you're letting him go.

1474
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,680
And he said, yeah.

1475
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:11,680
HR said, yes.

1476
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,680
And so I was in the next room.

1477
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,680
So they notified him at 9.

1478
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,680
At 9.15, he came over to my room when I was there.

1479
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,680
Big guy, almost your size.

1480
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:22,680
Okay.

1481
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:23,680
Tough guy.

1482
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,680
He came in, stared at me, glared at me.

1483
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:26,680
Who are you?

1484
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:31,680
So I'm here to provide you with your next moves in terms of your career support.

1485
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,680
Walked up to me, plunked himself down.

1486
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,680
I was like, oh, shit, he's going to kill me.

1487
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:36,680
Yeah.

1488
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,680
Because he's going to think I'm the George Clooney.

1489
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:39,680
He sat down.

1490
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:40,680
He started crying.

1491
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:41,680
Oh dear.

1492
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,680
He was in a company for 15 years and just unceremoniously let him go.

1493
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:45,680
He started crying.

1494
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,680
He started bawling like a baby.

1495
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,680
And I was totally unexpected.

1496
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,680
And the worst thing was it was a Saturday morning.

1497
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,680
I did not bring my business back.

1498
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:57,680
I only brought my weekend back, which was kind of anyway.

1499
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,680
And he was crying and I wasn't prepared.

1500
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,680
So I reached in and took a tissue paper for him.

1501
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:03,680
Right.

1502
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,680
But unfortunately it was a Hello Kitty.

1503
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,680
A true paper.

1504
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,680
For my daughter's Hello Kitty.

1505
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,680
I was like, it's the only thing I had here.

1506
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,680
So I gave it to him and I said, you want to use this?

1507
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,680
And he burst out laughing.

1508
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:18,680
Hello Kitty.

1509
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:19,680
Do I look so pathetic?

1510
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:20,680
You got to show me your paper.

1511
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:21,680
Hello Kitty.

1512
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:22,680
And he burst out laughing.

1513
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:23,680
And then it was okay.

1514
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:24,680
Then I spoke to him.

1515
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:29,680
But sometimes these sort of things, if you don't have the training, it gets nasty very quickly.

1516
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:36,680
So I've seen events where the CHRO flies in overnight.

1517
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:37,680
Tells the whole group.

1518
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,680
But shutting down the office.

1519
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,680
One week before Christmas.

1520
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:42,680
Fucked.

1521
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:43,680
Yeah.

1522
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:48,680
And I literally saw tables being banged, chairs being flipped.

1523
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:49,680
Yeah.

1524
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,680
They were just angry because two weeks before the CEO flew in and said, we're going to expand

1525
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:53,680
Southeast Asia.

1526
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:54,680
We're going to make this the core of the business.

1527
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,680
And then two weeks later, the CHRO comes in and says we're shutting down the business now.

1528
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,680
So this was very badly planned.

1529
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:02,680
Yeah.

1530
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:03,680
I think so too.

1531
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,680
And in the end, it just shows very bad.

1532
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:10,680
A lot of people will actually be looking at that girl and saying a lot of negative things

1533
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:11,680
about her.

1534
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:12,680
I agree.

1535
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:13,680
Yeah.

1536
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,680
Of course, naturally she's guilty of a lot of things.

1537
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,680
But the way it was executed was bad.

1538
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:20,680
But I want to say this.

1539
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,680
What I really picked up from that video.

1540
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:30,680
You worked for about three months, four months, and you said that you see a good of your clients,

1541
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,680
activity level is high, and you have no closes.

1542
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:34,680
Yeah.

1543
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:35,680
Right?

1544
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,680
Now three, four months and you don't have a close.

1545
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,680
To me, that's not good at all.

1546
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:40,680
That's not good.

1547
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:41,680
Yeah.

1548
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:42,680
People can pull out.

1549
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:43,680
Then you talk about, yeah, plus there were two holidays.

1550
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:44,680
Let's put it this way.

1551
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:45,680
Excuse us, right?

1552
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:46,680
Yeah.

1553
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,680
Because even if it was fucking Christmas, man, and you know that you're shit, right?

1554
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:50,680
Yeah.

1555
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:51,680
You better work through fucking Christmas.

1556
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:52,680
You know what I mean?

1557
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:53,680
That's my attitude.

1558
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:57,680
I mean, I'm sorry, but you have to plan your time and get it done.

1559
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:58,680
I agree.

1560
01:07:58,680 --> 01:07:59,680
No excuses.

1561
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:00,680
Yeah.

1562
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,680
And she shouldn't be surprised.

1563
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:03,680
Yeah.

1564
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:11,680
Well, at the end of it, what really was interesting was the CEO came up and he made a very long

1565
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:12,680
post.

1566
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:13,680
He said that-

1567
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:14,680
For this?

1568
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:15,680
For this event.

1569
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:16,680
Okay, okay, okay.

1570
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:17,680
So he said that it was poorly executed.

1571
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,680
HR could have done it better.

1572
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:21,680
Yeah.

1573
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:26,680
But they only let go about 20 out of the thousand people.

1574
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,680
So it's not a lot.

1575
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:29,680
Yeah.

1576
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:30,680
And it's performance-based.

1577
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:31,680
It's not performance-based.

1578
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:32,680
It is performance-based.

1579
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,680
It's not a headcount reduction.

1580
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:36,680
Yeah.

1581
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,680
So, and it was very professionally written.

1582
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:40,680
Right.

1583
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,680
And I think he came out of it PR-wise.

1584
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:43,680
Yeah.

1585
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:44,680
Looking good.

1586
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:45,680
Looking good.

1587
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:46,680
Yeah.

1588
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:47,680
And made her look bad.

1589
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:48,680
Yeah.

1590
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:49,680
Because this girl is right now, let me tell you something.

1591
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,680
There's no amount of PR I can help you at this moment.

1592
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:52,680
Yeah.

1593
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,680
So moral of the story is don't air your dirty laundry like that.

1594
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:56,680
Yeah.

1595
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:57,680
Yeah.

1596
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,680
Unless it's a nice little tiny thong, then fine.

1597
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:01,680
No comments.

1598
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:02,680
What a-

1599
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:03,680
Moving on.

1600
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,680
This is not radio, man.

1601
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:11,680
Don't worry about it.

1602
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:17,680
What's your idea of the ideal employer?

1603
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:22,680
I think someone who gives, okay, ideal boss.

1604
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:23,680
Yeah.

1605
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:24,680
Ideal boss.

1606
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:30,680
Now someone who gives you enough space and enough knowledge and enough support to do

1607
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,680
what you're supposed to do.

1608
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:33,680
Okay.

1609
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:39,680
Leaves you alone and ultimately gives you, I had a boss once in GE Plastics and he said,

1610
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,680
I'll give you as much rope as you want.

1611
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:43,680
Mm-hmm.

1612
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,680
Either to be successful or to hang yourself with.

1613
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:46,680
Okay.

1614
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,680
So he lets us, so a boss should be an enabler.

1615
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:51,680
Yeah.

1616
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:52,680
Yeah.

1617
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:56,680
Rather than someone who's going to come in and bunk you and guide you.

1618
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:57,680
But it's hard.

1619
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:58,680
It's hard to be a boss.

1620
01:09:58,680 --> 01:09:59,680
Yeah.

1621
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:00,680
Yeah.

1622
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:01,680
It's hard to be a boss.

1623
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,680
I have difficulties being a boss.

1624
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,680
I can manage people because I'm a bit too lax.

1625
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:07,680
Okay.

1626
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:08,680
I'm a bit too relaxed.

1627
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:09,680
I'm a bit too-

1628
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:10,680
You're damn funny, you know.

1629
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,680
First you tell me I'm a helicopter parent.

1630
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:13,680
No, me.

1631
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,680
We shouldn't have this kind of, he's parenting but I'm a helicopter parent.

1632
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,680
You know I'm an ideal boss but I'm not.

1633
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:19,680
I'm not the ideal boss.

1634
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:20,680
I'm not the ideal boss.

1635
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:21,680
I'm too lax.

1636
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:22,680
I'm too lax.

1637
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:23,680
So that's why-

1638
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:24,680
Okay, okay.

1639
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:25,680
At least you're honest, man.

1640
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:32,680
That's why, okay, when I work with people, I make sure that they are mature.

1641
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:33,680
Right.

1642
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:34,680
That no one needs to be done.

1643
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:35,680
Right.

1644
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:36,680
I don't have to babysit them.

1645
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:37,680
Right.

1646
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,680
So it's been difficult to get people like that nowadays.

1647
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,680
But ideally, you know, if you've got- and one thing I must say to all listeners out there,

1648
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:46,680
there's no perfect boss.

1649
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:47,680
Yeah.

1650
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,680
Likewise, you're not a perfect worker either.

1651
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:50,680
Yeah.

1652
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:54,680
And what you do when the boss is not perfect, you tolerate.

1653
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:55,680
Okay.

1654
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,680
Since you answered that, you answer, you tolerate.

1655
01:10:58,680 --> 01:10:59,680
Yeah.

1656
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,680
But also vice versa, the boss has to tolerate you too.

1657
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:02,680
But that's the question, you know.

1658
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:03,680
Yeah.

1659
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,680
So there's no such thing called an ideal boss actually.

1660
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:07,680
There's no such thing called an ideal employee.

1661
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:08,680
Yeah.

1662
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,680
And there's no such thing called a perfect job either.

1663
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:11,680
Because no one can be a robot, isn't it?

1664
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,680
So there's no perfection in this world.

1665
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:15,680
Yeah.

1666
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,680
So shut up and get your job done.

1667
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,680
One person at a time.

1668
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:20,680
Yeah.

1669
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,680
Just two more questions, man.

1670
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:23,680
Okay.

1671
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:24,680
Very quickly.

1672
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:25,680
Okay.

1673
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:26,680
I know you're pressed for time as well.

1674
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:27,680
So let me just talk about this one.

1675
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:32,680
You know, my favorite pet subject for this vertical, I love my job.

1676
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:33,680
Yeah.

1677
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,680
It's about mid-career change.

1678
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,680
An older worker.

1679
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:38,680
Okay.

1680
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:43,680
What should an older worker consider before taking the plunge?

1681
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,680
Say, your career strategist, right?

1682
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:46,680
Yeah.

1683
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,680
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

1684
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,680
Use me as an example.

1685
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,680
Strategize me.

1686
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:53,680
Okay.

1687
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,680
Okay, hang on, hang on.

1688
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,680
So in the interest of time, because you can't go through the whole gamut of everything.

1689
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,680
I'm pretty sure there's going to be a whole stretch of things.

1690
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:03,680
Oh, yes.

1691
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:04,680
Yeah, I know.

1692
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:05,680
So let's just work on it this way, okay?

1693
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:06,680
That's right.

1694
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:07,680
That's right.

1695
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,680
So if you ask me or discourage me, would you do it?

1696
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,680
Listen what?

1697
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:14,680
To make a move?

1698
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:15,680
Yeah.

1699
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,680
Well, I think you should.

1700
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,680
You're telling me that I should?

1701
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:20,680
Yeah, I mean, okay.

1702
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,680
You're, you're, you're, I think for anyone who's at what we call a career crossroad.

1703
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,680
I'm coming 54 years old, man, dude.

1704
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:27,680
It's young.

1705
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:28,680
It's not 54.

1706
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,680
It's 54 years young, not old.

1707
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:31,680
Oh, say.

1708
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:32,680
Yeah.

1709
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:33,680
Come on, man.

1710
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:34,680
It's the perspective.

1711
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:35,680
Okay.

1712
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:36,680
Okay?

1713
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:41,680
You're at a sweet spot now, as I said before, you know, there's an old joke where when you're

1714
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:46,680
young, you've got money and energy, but you've got time and energy, but no money.

1715
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:50,680
And then when you're working really hard, you've got money, you've got energy, but you've

1716
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:51,680
got no time.

1717
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:57,680
And then when you're retired, old, you've got time, you've got money, but no energy.

1718
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:02,680
Right now, you're at this point where you have money, time and energy, okay?

1719
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:03,680
In varying amounts.

1720
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:04,680
I'm so fucked.

1721
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:09,680
But you are at a space where, and many of our listeners, if you look at the upside of

1722
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:10,680
things, okay?

1723
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:14,680
You're at a space where it's not really that bad.

1724
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:15,680
Okay?

1725
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:16,680
And no one's too old.

1726
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:21,680
We have successfully helped even 58 year olds, 74 year olds land jobs.

1727
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:22,680
I'm not kidding you.

1728
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,680
It may not be a full-time job job.

1729
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:25,680
Right, right.

1730
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,680
But gigs, consultancies, full-time job.

1731
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:28,680
No, shit.

1732
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,680
One of my clients was 56, banking, and he quit his...

1733
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,680
He was retrenched.

1734
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:40,680
He went to another generic career coach and they told him...

1735
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,680
I'm not going to mention names because it's...

1736
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:44,680
Generic career coach.

1737
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:45,680
Generic coach.

1738
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,680
Anyway, it was a free service, okay?

1739
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,680
So, offered by a free organization.

1740
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,680
Anyway, I'm not going to mention names.

1741
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:56,680
And they told him, 56, you're screwed basically.

1742
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:57,680
Okay.

1743
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:58,680
Okay?

1744
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,680
And he was earning about $400,000 as a banker.

1745
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,680
Then you want to take a pay cut.

1746
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:09,680
Maybe we have an opportunity here in Watson's for you to do as a sales promoter.

1747
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,680
And he was so depressed and he came to us and I said, rubbish, rubbish.

1748
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:14,680
You want to do it?

1749
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,680
I would take a long walk out of a short balcony if any fucker tells me that.

1750
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:17,680
Yeah, isn't it?

1751
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:18,680
Don't get me wrong.

1752
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:19,680
We're not insulting the job.

1753
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:20,680
No, no, no.

1754
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,680
We just are based on this individual person and what he's been through throughout his

1755
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:24,680
entire career.

1756
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:25,680
So, I said no.

1757
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,680
So, we worked with him and he landed a job within two months.

1758
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:29,680
Right.

1759
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:30,680
And he got a salary increase.

1760
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:34,680
So, if you need to know your value and your wealth and where you're good at.

1761
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:38,680
So, once again, if you have been curating your career well and you know what you're

1762
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,680
good at and what, so basically there are three things.

1763
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,680
Number one, what you're good at, no one else can do.

1764
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:47,680
Right.

1765
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,680
And it must be something that you enjoy doing because it's something you're good at and

1766
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:51,680
you don't like doing.

1767
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:52,680
Right.

1768
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:53,680
You could do more of it.

1769
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,680
Yeah, it pays the bills, but it's going to eat you up and kill you inside.

1770
01:14:55,680 --> 01:15:00,680
So, you're going to find what you're good at, what you enjoy doing and if it pays the

1771
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:01,680
bills.

1772
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:02,680
Okay.

1773
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,480
So, like for myself, I love selling.

1774
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:06,360
You know, I say I love selling.

1775
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:07,480
I love talking to people.

1776
01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:10,120
I am so passionate about careers.

1777
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:13,080
I love helping people and that's what I'm good at.

1778
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,160
That's what I love doing.

1779
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,680
And I've managed to find a niche where it pays the bills.

1780
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:19,680
Right.

1781
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,680
So, that's where, that's how I pivoted.

1782
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:22,680
Okay.

1783
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,680
And for someone like yourself or anyone out there, if you want to do a mid-career switch,

1784
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,680
a lot of people have this misconception where a mid-career switch means I drop everything,

1785
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:32,680
I go be a kindergarten teacher.

1786
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:33,680
Okay.

1787
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:34,680
Total switch, no.

1788
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:35,680
Find adjacencies.

1789
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,680
Like what, like this is an adjacency for you.

1790
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:39,680
See, it's an extension.

1791
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:40,680
Now, it's got a video.

1792
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:45,680
So, now you've got all the fun toys like this and everything and you enjoy doing it.

1793
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:46,680
Now the question is monetization.

1794
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,680
So, there's another topic for another time.

1795
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:49,680
Yeah.

1796
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:50,680
Yeah.

1797
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:51,680
But you're getting there.

1798
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:52,680
I hope so.

1799
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:53,680
I really hope so.

1800
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:57,080
So, that's why a mid-career switch, you're never too late for it, but you must have the

1801
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,680
strategy to do it.

1802
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,680
And adjacencies, look for adjacencies.

1803
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,680
Look for skills adjacencies.

1804
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,680
Look for industry adjacencies.

1805
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:12,680
So, like instead of just on radio, you go radio, you go to TV or go into broadcasting.

1806
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:17,680
If you're in industry like in banking, maybe you want to pivot into finance.

1807
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:23,680
If you're in sales, maybe you want to pivot into marketing or sales operations or online

1808
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:24,680
sales.

1809
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,680
Find that pivot point.

1810
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:30,680
Or coaching or training set in sales and stuff like that.

1811
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:31,680
Yeah, exactly.

1812
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:36,680
So, it's never too old to do a career pivot if you plan properly and you have a good career

1813
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:37,680
strategy.

1814
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:42,680
You said this word so many times in the course of giving me this advice and that word would

1815
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,680
be enjoying it.

1816
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:49,680
Yesterday, I had Mr. X here in the studio, he used that word a lot too.

1817
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:51,680
You know, enjoying it, enjoying it, enjoying it.

1818
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:52,680
I picked that up.

1819
01:16:52,680 --> 01:17:00,680
My takeaway was that, you know, and that episode of course is aired before this one.

1820
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:01,680
Yeah.

1821
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:07,680
So, which leads me to this last question, very last question.

1822
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,680
You have two options here.

1823
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,680
Two options here, okay?

1824
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:12,680
Multiple choice.

1825
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,680
Multiple choice, huh?

1826
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:22,680
A, chase after your dream, do what you love regardless of the amount of pay or stability.

1827
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:29,680
Or B, get a degree, get a job, work and earn money, get married, buy a home, have kids,

1828
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:31,680
soon, soon, like.

1829
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:32,680
Okay.

1830
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:39,680
What would you say would be the best advice given these two options?

1831
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,680
What stage is this person at?

1832
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:44,680
Is he like a fresh graduate?

1833
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:47,680
Fresh grad or young worker?

1834
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:48,680
Young worker.

1835
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:49,680
Yeah.

1836
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:54,680
My advice is B, then A.

1837
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:55,680
Wow.

1838
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:56,680
Yeah.

1839
01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:00,680
Get a degree, get a job, work and earn money, get married, buy a home, have kids, soon,

1840
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:01,680
soon, like.

1841
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:03,680
Then you want when everything is all done.

1842
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,680
If you are so inclined to be a family man.

1843
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:07,680
Okay.

1844
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,680
If you're not, if you're a swinging single and you don't give a hoot about what's going

1845
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:11,680
on.

1846
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:12,680
Yeah.

1847
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,680
Or if you have a trust fund, then A will be good.

1848
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:15,680
Okay, okay.

1849
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:16,680
Fuck the trust fund.

1850
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:17,680
Let's talk about the swinging single.

1851
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:18,680
Then.

1852
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,680
A young person, okay?

1853
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,680
Since you've mentioned that, it's the last question, but since you mentioned that, I

1854
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:25,680
can't help you.

1855
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:26,680
I'm gonna ask.

1856
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:27,680
Go for it.

1857
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:31,680
If you said swinging single, okay, to all the single people out there, your fresh grad,

1858
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:36,680
let's say for example, hypothetically, you came out, you're a fresh grad, right?

1859
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:37,680
What should be important?

1860
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,680
Would it be career first and then marriage?

1861
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:41,680
I think career first.

1862
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:42,680
Career first, right?

1863
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:43,680
Yeah, but it's not binary.

1864
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:44,680
Okay.

1865
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,680
You can do it, pursue both at the same time.

1866
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:48,680
Okay.

1867
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,680
But you see, that's where it gets interesting.

1868
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,680
So if you're a swinging single and you tell yourself, I'm gonna get married, say in the

1869
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:56,680
next 10 to 15 years, okay?

1870
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,680
Can I then opt to do option A?

1871
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,680
Where I chase after a dream.

1872
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,680
I do what I love regardless of the amount of pay and stability.

1873
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:06,680
So, and the strategy changes.

1874
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:13,680
So I have this friend of mine, career person all the way, she's 42, single.

1875
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:15,680
And she met the man of her dreams.

1876
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:16,680
She married.

1877
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:18,680
By the time she had a huge fun.

1878
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:19,680
Of course.

1879
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:20,680
Right?

1880
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:21,680
Quit the job.

1881
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:23,680
Now her boy is like about seven years old now.

1882
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:24,680
Full-time mom.

1883
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:25,680
Yeah.

1884
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:29,680
And enjoying motherhood, got the money stashed aside.

1885
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:30,680
Yeah.

1886
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:32,680
And then she said that she's happy.

1887
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,680
So whatever makes you happy, right?

1888
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,680
But the reality is in Singapore now it's not cheap.

1889
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:39,680
Fuck me.

1890
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:40,680
You need money.

1891
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:41,680
Okay.

1892
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,680
It's like, I went to the hawker center.

1893
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,680
I ordered the mee kia.

1894
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:47,680
Yeah.

1895
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,680
It came and I said, I ordered an adult meal, not a kid's meal.

1896
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,680
Because it was so shrinkflation.

1897
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:54,680
It was like one small portion was like half a piece.

1898
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:55,680
Shrinkflation.

1899
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:56,680
Shrinkflation.

1900
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,680
I was like, is this a kid's meal?

1901
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:00,680
It's a kid's meal.

1902
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,680
You know, I don't blame these guys.

1903
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:07,680
You know, actually, if you think about it, again, I'm a parent.

1904
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:12,680
You said shrinkflation, you know, powers that be like to use the term inflation, right?

1905
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,680
I just say one fucking thing.

1906
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:22,680
The problem with the economy today is caused by solely, in my opinion, landlords.

1907
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:23,680
Simple as that.

1908
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:24,680
I agree.

1909
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,680
You know, it is completely that, man.

1910
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:27,680
I agree.

1911
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:28,680
You know, it's not the stall owner.

1912
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,680
You know who the landlords will blame?

1913
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:31,680
Yeah, they will blame.

1914
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:32,680
Blame the bank.

1915
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:33,680
Yeah.

1916
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:34,680
Because interest rates are high.

1917
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:35,680
Yeah.

1918
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:36,680
And the buck goes on.

1919
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:37,680
Yeah.

1920
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:38,680
But no, I agree.

1921
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:39,680
The landlords.

1922
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,680
To me right now, it's more driven by greed than anything else.

1923
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:43,680
It is.

1924
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:46,680
And well, that's another story for another day.

1925
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:52,680
And interestingly, I was watching YouTube yesterday and there was a study out that they

1926
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:59,680
calculated the causes of inflation in the US and inflation caused by prices going up,

1927
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:00,680
by big corporates, right?

1928
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:01,680
Right.

1929
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:06,680
And they calculated that the price corporate sells, I mean, the inflation and corporate

1930
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:07,680
say, it's not due to inflation.

1931
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:08,680
It's because they want to.

1932
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:09,680
They're selling it.

1933
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:10,680
They're making more profits.

1934
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:11,680
Right.

1935
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:15,680
So inflation in the US, a lot of it is due to corporate greed, which is what, to your

1936
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:16,680
point.

1937
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:17,680
Yeah.

1938
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:18,680
To your point.

1939
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:19,680
Yeah.

1940
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:20,680
It is corporate greed.

1941
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:21,680
It is corporate greed.

1942
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:22,680
And then you have inflation.

1943
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,680
I mean, this is something that's been going on for ages.

1944
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:26,680
Right?

1945
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:32,680
But right now, when I look at the little guy, the little guy has really impacted quite a

1946
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:33,680
lot.

1947
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:37,560
And now it's crept into our households.

1948
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:42,040
That's why JB, the queue to get into JB is always so bloody long.

1949
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:46,640
Not because people are going on a freaking vacation or staycation, but because they're

1950
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,320
going to the buy groceries, man.

1951
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:49,320
Yeah.

1952
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:50,320
Tile paper.

1953
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:51,320
Yeah.

1954
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:52,320
Exactly.

1955
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:53,320
Yeah.

1956
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:54,320
I mean, not just Singapore.

1957
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:55,320
Guilty as charged.

1958
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:56,320
It's not just Singapore.

1959
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:59,920
I think the toilet paper phenomenon is a worldwide phenomenon, right?

1960
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:01,840
I mean, when the COVID thing started, right?

1961
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:02,840
Everyone in the world was...

1962
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,960
First thing to empty up would be the freaking toilet rolls, right?

1963
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,600
But I just feel that you're right.

1964
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,400
You know, I mean, we've got to think about how we can survive here.

1965
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:17,280
So a lot of people now work in their full-time jobs and then they also get into the gig economy,

1966
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,440
you know, because we don't have much of a freaking choice.

1967
01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:21,440
Yeah.

1968
01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:24,480
I really don't know what to think anymore, you know, when it comes to...

1969
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:31,880
So my advice I give to younger folks is make as much as you can, save as much as you can,

1970
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,720
and give as much as you can.

1971
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,720
So which is actually a...

1972
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:37,720
Give in terms of what?

1973
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:39,720
Money, time, not just money, but time as well.

1974
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:40,720
I was thinking taxes.

1975
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:41,720
Okay.

1976
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:42,720
Taxes.

1977
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,200
No, you pay what's needed.

1978
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:49,040
So which is a very methodistic...

1979
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:54,120
It was a Wesleyan thinking, make as much as you can, give as much as you can.

1980
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:55,120
John Wesley thinking.

1981
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:56,120
John Wesley thinking.

1982
01:22:56,120 --> 01:23:00,080
So I agree, make, earn as much as you can, you know, but save it.

1983
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:05,120
Save as much as you can because the best gift you can give yourself...

1984
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:06,120
Is to pay yourself.

1985
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:10,720
20 years time, okay, is to have a freedom fund where it's like...

1986
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,080
And I'm telling the younger guys, look, if you just one month, you just cut back on the

1987
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:18,160
stupid frappuccinos, you have two frappuccinos a day, okay, you're going to have 1,000 a

1988
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:23,480
month, you're going to have 10,000 a year, okay, in the next 20 years, you've got $200,000.

1989
01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:28,320
The best gift you can give yourself then is that $200,000 and don't buy that stupid car

1990
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:29,320
with $130,000.

1991
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:33,320
Wait, wait, wait, how the fuck did you come up with the frappuccino thing?

1992
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:37,400
I mean, seriously, are people really having a frappuccino a day?

1993
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,360
They're having two frappuccinos a day or two coffees a day.

1994
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:41,360
One coffee is about $6.

1995
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:42,360
I mean, you...

1996
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:43,360
I'm not kidding you.

1997
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:44,360
The young kids...

1998
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,120
But you're talking about a cafe standard coffee.

1999
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:48,120
Yeah.

2000
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:49,880
$6, two coffees a day.

2001
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:51,320
Instead of a fucking coffee shop.

2002
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:52,320
Yeah.

2003
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:53,960
Or your Alcipo here uses my...

2004
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:55,800
I use my three in one.

2005
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,280
So same caffeine, a bigger kick even.

2006
01:23:58,280 --> 01:23:59,280
You know, you've got...

2007
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:00,280
Just think about...

2008
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:01,800
Just do the quick math, okay?

2009
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:03,640
You blow 10 bucks a day.

2010
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:05,320
You're basically blowing 200 a month.

2011
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:06,320
You're blowing...

2012
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,760
In addition to gym memberships or gyms that you don't use...

2013
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:13,040
People know everyone's like you, you know, you make the gym membership work.

2014
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,040
I see your photos.

2015
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,360
I mean, I have to make gym membership work.

2016
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:17,360
I'm such a scooch.

2017
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:20,640
Some people, they buy the gym membership, they don't use it.

2018
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:22,920
They get the country club, they don't use it.

2019
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:23,920
So if you...

2020
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:25,880
And there's a movement called the fire movement.

2021
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,800
The financial independence, you retire early movement.

2022
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,240
Basically says save all your money, okay?

2023
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:32,240
Build up that freedom fund.

2024
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:33,240
Yeah.

2025
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:36,440
So that when you're 40, you're sitting on a nice tidy sum of money.

2026
01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:37,440
Yeah.

2027
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:38,440
If your boss tells you...

2028
01:24:38,440 --> 01:24:39,440
To f off.

2029
01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:40,440
You...

2030
01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:41,440
Say it.

2031
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:42,440
If you want to say it, you will just not radio.

2032
01:24:42,440 --> 01:24:43,440
I'm a good boy.

2033
01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:44,440
Okay.

2034
01:24:44,440 --> 01:24:45,440
So...

2035
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:46,440
I'm asking.

2036
01:24:46,440 --> 01:24:47,440
So...

2037
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:51,120
So it's all a matter of having that fund.

2038
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:52,120
Yeah.

2039
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:53,120
The freedom fund.

2040
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:54,120
Yeah.

2041
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:55,120
That F-O fund.

2042
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:56,120
Yeah.

2043
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:57,120
Okay.

2044
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:58,120
Yeah.

2045
01:24:58,120 --> 01:24:59,120
The fuck off fund.

2046
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:00,120
Yeah.

2047
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:01,120
Exactly.

2048
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:02,120
Say it.

2049
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:03,120
I'm a good boy.

2050
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:04,120
It's a fuck off fund, Adrian.

2051
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:05,120
You say it, so I dare you to say it.

2052
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:06,120
So anyway, that's where you can tell your boss.

2053
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:07,120
Yeah.

2054
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:11,760
So that's why the best advice I can give anyone is the best gift you can give yourself in 20

2055
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,840
years time is that freedom fund.

2056
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:14,840
Yeah.

2057
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,520
And then you have independence to start your own business or do whatever you want.

2058
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,120
But it all starts today.

2059
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:20,120
Yeah.

2060
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:21,120
And it builds up and you're all shocked.

2061
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:24,160
Sometimes I think right now, you know, to build it...

2062
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:28,080
To start building your dreams, start in your 50s.

2063
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:29,080
In these days.

2064
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:30,080
Yeah.

2065
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:31,080
You've got to start building...

2066
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:34,080
So if you've got a dream that you've had all your life...

2067
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:35,080
Yeah.

2068
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:39,280
Maybe it'd be a good idea, since you're working, living in this place, is to start building

2069
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:42,360
your dreams when you're 50 onwards, you know?

2070
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:45,320
And to me, it's sad.

2071
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:46,320
Why?

2072
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:47,320
It's sad.

2073
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:48,320
Why?

2074
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:49,320
It's sad.

2075
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:53,400
I mean, when you have a dream, the idea is when you're young, in my opinion, and you're

2076
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,360
young and you're sprightly, you've got all the fucking energy in the world, you may be

2077
01:25:56,360 --> 01:26:00,440
stupid, but if you can accept the fact that you fall down flat in your face, you must

2078
01:26:00,440 --> 01:26:06,680
just get up again, you learn your lessons, it's more fun that way.

2079
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:07,680
You know?

2080
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:08,680
It hurts when you're there, but it's...

2081
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,480
It hurts when you're there, but when you look back, right?

2082
01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:11,480
Yeah, I said wow.

2083
01:26:11,480 --> 01:26:12,480
I did all that.

2084
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:16,960
And that's interesting because people ask me why did I start a business?

2085
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:17,960
And I say that, you know...

2086
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:18,960
Which one, the bones business?

2087
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:19,960
All of them, all of them.

2088
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:20,960
Okay.

2089
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:21,960
Especially this one.

2090
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:22,960
Why did I quit corporate?

2091
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:30,120
And I said, because I saw the opportunity and I don't want to one day look back and

2092
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,280
go like, oh yeah, I should have done it, but I didn't do it.

2093
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,760
Yeah, because the journey matters the most, you know?

2094
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:36,760
It's a journey.

2095
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:47,120
So in 2001, 2002, I had this great idea for group buying, where you sign up an organization,

2096
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:53,080
you know, and then you get people to buy, then you issue off, which was basically the...

2097
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,600
What's that online portal?

2098
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:56,600
Which one?

2099
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:57,600
Shopee?

2100
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:58,600
What's that Shopee?

2101
01:26:58,600 --> 01:26:59,600
Lozada?

2102
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:00,600
No, shucks, I'm getting old.

2103
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:01,600
Which was the coupon, Groupon.

2104
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:02,600
Groupon, Groupon.

2105
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:03,600
That's a really long time ago.

2106
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:08,600
So I had the idea for that and I was talking to some friends and they were saying, yeah,

2107
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:09,600
I know, stupid idea.

2108
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:10,600
Who would want to buy Groupon, do business?

2109
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:18,600
Until I saw one of the local companies who did it and sold off to Groupon for that bazillion

2110
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:19,600
dollars.

2111
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:20,600
I could have done that.

2112
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:21,600
I could have done that.

2113
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:26,600
So that's why whenever I have a business idea, I'll just tell myself, I'm going to give it

2114
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:27,600
a shot, let's give it a go.

2115
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,600
I don't want to sit down and go, I could have been that guy.

2116
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,240
So... Yeah, when you have something, do it.

2117
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:39,760
For example, this podcast here, the one that you're here with me now, it's been mooted

2118
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,040
to me like freaking 10 years ago.

2119
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:43,600
The podcast has been around a long time.

2120
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:44,600
Oh yeah, actually they have.

2121
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:48,200
Yeah, you know, and especially in Apple, right?

2122
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,440
In iTunes way back when.

2123
01:27:50,440 --> 01:27:54,000
Now people have told me, Chris, why didn't you start your own podcast?

2124
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,040
Chris, why didn't you start your own podcast?

2125
01:27:56,040 --> 01:28:00,200
And I've put this off for so long.

2126
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,600
And this studio took me what?

2127
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:09,360
Two years, you know, to conceptualize, think it through, really driving somehow, building

2128
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:10,360
the funds.

2129
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:11,360
Two years and one pandemic.

2130
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:12,360
You're right.

2131
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:13,360
You're right.

2132
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:18,760
You know, and to have this space, you know, which I can call my own, which I'm very glad

2133
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:19,760
I have.

2134
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:25,760
But it's always the journey that is the most important.

2135
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:32,480
And speaking of journey, man, I mean, I keep journeying on all the time when I do my podcast.

2136
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:38,200
And I cannot forget in that journey to talk about this because, and you know something,

2137
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:41,360
Adrian, you got to indulge on one of these, man.

2138
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:43,440
Please go and take a munch.

2139
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:45,760
I have done this before.

2140
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:46,760
It's lovely.

2141
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:48,240
It's absolutely brilliant, right?

2142
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,560
It's crispy on the outside and nice soft.

2143
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:51,840
Yeah, fluffy as hell, man.

2144
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:52,840
The crispiest, fluffiest.

2145
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2146
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Hear that?

2147
01:28:54,840 --> 01:29:03,080
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2149
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You can see the, it's on screen right now.

2150
01:29:07,480 --> 01:29:12,480
Go to gordonvade.com or you can WhatsApp the number that's there.

2151
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:14,000
Look for a guy named Vijay, man.

2152
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,720
I mean, this guy will be happy to help you.

2153
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:21,640
And really, I tell you, you ain't had vade until you've had this one.

2154
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:24,160
It is mamma mia.

2155
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:31,920
And with me today again has been Adrian Chu and he is from Career Agility International

2156
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,680
and it's going to be flashed up right now.

2157
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:36,680
There you go.

2158
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:37,680
There you go.

2159
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:42,080
And no, I'm not being paid to do this, but I like to do this for my guests who would

2160
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:46,560
like to spend time with me for my shoots and this is for you, man.

2161
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:47,560
Right?

2162
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:48,560
There you go.

2163
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:53,960
So if you are looking for help, you need someone to strategize your way through your career

2164
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:59,520
or your careers, please give them a call and look this man up.

2165
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:03,640
And we promise you will not be selling you bones.

2166
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:04,640
Thanks for being here, man.

2167
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:05,640
It's been real fun.

2168
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:06,640
Pleasure.

2169
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:09,960
I've been looking for this for a very long time and you know, I had a great time with

2170
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:10,960
you.

2171
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:11,960
I'm glad.

2172
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:12,960
I'm glad.

2173
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:13,960
I hope you had fun.

2174
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:14,960
Yeah.

2175
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:15,960
So just let me know when the next one is.

2176
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:16,960
Can.

2177
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:17,960
On.

2178
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:18,960
On.

2179
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:19,960
On.

2180
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:20,960
Deal.

2181
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:21,960
Okay.

2182
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:22,960
Season four.

2183
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:28,360
So hit the subscribe button if you haven't done so on YouTube and also please also smack

2184
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:30,400
that bell button for notifications.

2185
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:31,400
Okay.

2186
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:32,400
Thanks for watching everyone.

2187
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:33,400
Stay safe.

2188
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:34,400
Yeah.

2189
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:38,600
And remember, work your ass off and don't shit your future up.

2190
01:30:38,600 --> 01:31:03,800
Bye bye.