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So if I were to do like um...

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Do that again, do that again, do that again.

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One more time, one more time.

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In the best part is the way that she does it and the way I do it is different.

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So it's a bit more, you know, I use a bit more cheeks.

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Dude, that was fucking scary bro.

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I might even wipe down the table a little bit.

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We look as if we are, you know, just out of a pajama party or in a pajama party.

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I don't know man, but these fucking things are not hits man.

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I mean, okay, it's Christmas time, it's Christmas time, it's Christmas time.

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It's Christmas time.

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Frankly, I was like, things look as if you, you know the things you wear when you go to sleep,

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you know pajamas and you read fairy tales.

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No, thank you.

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Thank you.

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See how stupid I am?

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It's called night camp.

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Welcome back people.

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This is the special Christmas edition of the Chris Hansen conversation.

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And with me in studio, I've got two people here that really, really have this intimacy.

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Why was that pause?

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Because my brain has to roll with intimacy with microphones.

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And for good reason, for good reason, because on my right, I have with me the first female

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to represent this country Singapore in the World Beatbox Championship.

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Did I get that one right?

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The World Beatbox Championship.

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The World Beatbox Championship.

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The World Beatbox.

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Beatbox.

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I say again, beatbox.

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For all you old fogies out there don't understand what the fuck that means.

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Go and look it up on Wikipedia, Google it.

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Beatbox later on, you'll see what she's really made of.

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She's really amazing.

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She's better known as General Ling.

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I know her as Elaine.

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Welcome to the show.

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Thank you for having me.

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It's a real pleasure.

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It's a real pleasure because it's a real honor as a matter of fact to have you here

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with me at CCB TV.

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And on my left is a, what did she call you?

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A better half?

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I'm the beast of the duo.

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I'm the beauty and beast.

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I disagree.

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Okay, you are saying that because you don't want to get into the dog house, right?

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Pretty much.

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And the other half is a great freestyler and a beatboxer in his own right.

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And he is Zack, better known as Zack Loco.

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Thank you for having me.

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Why Loco?

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Zee Loco.

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I was actually Zee Loco, but his name is Zack.

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So I thought Zack Loco.

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But hey, look man.

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Wait, wait, fuck that.

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A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, L, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y.

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It depends on which accent you're saying.

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Oh for goodness.

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So when I was christened Zee Loco, I was christened by a country singer,

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hip hopper, a former hip hopper.

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His name is Ramon Cedello.

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Shout out to Ramon if he's watching this.

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He christened me Zee Loco because I have multiple personalities, oddly enough.

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I don't know, maybe my dyslexia, I don't know.

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I change my voices all the time and I can freestyle like out of nowhere most times.

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Okay, we're going to do some freestyling for a while though.

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For all of us here on.

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But I'm still going to go back to the same fucking argument, okay?

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It cannot be Zee, guys.

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It has got to be Zed and don't tell me.

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I say Zed.

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It is Zed.

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I say Zed.

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It has to be Zed.

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No, it's not a generational thing either.

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I say Zed.

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I mean, I'm not that old.

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Hello?

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Your other half is saying Zee.

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You are saying Zee.

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She's two years apart.

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I don't respect, I don't respect for the fact that, you know, you've taken that on as your stage name, right?

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Or as your moniker.

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So, okay, Zee Loco.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Zee Loco.

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Thank you for having me out.

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If I had my way, I'll say Zed, but never mind.

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Just say Zed, man.

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I'm happy for Zed.

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Welcome to the show, man.

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Thank you, man.

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Thank you.

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Thanks both of you, really.

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Taking the time off, coming down all the way to this little spot in Tampines.

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It seems like a godforsaken place from wherever you guys come from, right?

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Yeah, we come from the other side of the island.

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Bloody far, right?

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JB and Woodlands.

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Really, JB and Woodlands were crying out loud.

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But thanks for being here, really.

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I want to ask you guys, what, can you explain to all the people out there who might not know this,

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there's going to be a percentage of people that won't know this.

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What is beatboxing and what is freestyle rapping?

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Okay, let me take the beatboxing one and then they can take the freestyle rapping.

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So beatboxing, basically, I would say you use your vocal muscles, so your lips, your mouth,

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your tongue, your nose, your throat to create music out of it.

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So your articulators, basically?

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In a sense.

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Okay, nose, okay, nose, no articulator.

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Nose, okay, fine.

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Tongue, palate, lips, mouth, throat.

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Cheek, don't forget the cheeks.

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The cheeks, okay.

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Articulators.

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Okay, yes.

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Yeah, okay.

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So, wait, wait, wait, so you say all these things come into play, right?

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Yes.

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Okay, so I mean, why?

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Why?

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In the first place, you know, people will come on, right?

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Most people, mainstream wise, but you're definitely not mainstream for sure, right?

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Will come on and be singers, you know?

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You sing?

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Yes.

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I can't sing.

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I actually came from the acapella background.

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Holy shit balls.

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Yeah, we both do.

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We both started.

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That's when I got started in beatboxing, because I went into acapella and then I saw this bunch

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of guys making drum sounds and I was just like, wait a minute, what?

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And between singing, right now, right?

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Where you are today, between singing and beatboxing, which would you rather?

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Hmm, tricky question because it depends on my mood.

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Sometimes I would rap, sometimes I would sing.

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See, I'm not the only one with a personality.

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Wow, wow, wow.

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Wowee.

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Okay.

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And is there any particular reason?

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I mean, when you heard these guys, you were saying earlier on, right?

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They were making drum sounds with their mouths.

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And what was that that attracted you?

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Because I know for a fact, I would look at someone like you and I've seen you perform

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and I go, wow, yeah.

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But it doesn't drive someone like me to do that.

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I mean, I'm sorry, nothing personal.

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I'm just saying that it's just me.

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Yeah.

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But I think most people go, wow.

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But even for singers, right?

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But they wouldn't be driven to do something like that.

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What drove you?

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My love for music and the part where I didn't get access to learning music.

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What do you mean?

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Like, I loved the piano when I was young, but I never had a chance to really learn it.

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And I tried drums as well and I sort of couldn't afford it as well.

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Okay.

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So then when beatboxing came about, it became a chance to learn an instrument with just my voice.

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Wow, that makes sense.

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Yeah.

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That's a cool answer.

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I've always said that, you know, when I was young, my parents wasted money on me trying

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to learn the guitar, which eventually I found my fucking fingers were just too fat.

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And then after that, I went to, I want to know how to play the keyboards.

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And after that, I tried playing the keyboards and then I realized that my freaking fingers

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are too fat and it got stretched too far either.

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And then I realized that, Hey, you know what?

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I've got an instrument all with me and that's my voice.

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But this, you are different kettle of fish, man.

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You actually became the instrument.

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Yes.

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So that's your reason.

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Yes.

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And it's amazing because we learn how to manipulate the different

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muscles to add texture onto the sound.

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Oh dear.

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So if I were to do like, um,

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Do that again.

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Do that again.

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One more time.

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One more time.

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In the best part is the way that she does it and the way I do it is different.

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Yeah.

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Now you do it.

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Mine is so it's a bit more, you know, I use a bit more cheeks.

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Dude, that was fucking scary, bro.

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I'm sorry.

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I might wipe down the table a little bit.

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I usually would like when I explain to the students and he happens to be around, I'll

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be like, look, that's the cheap mom way of doing it.

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Cause it looks like a squirrel.

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The squirrel's trying to hide the nuts.

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But it's a different, isn't that a different, isn't that what wasn't that a different

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drum skin as compared to the one that you just demonstrated?

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It is.

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Um, and the technique is different.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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It's like, it's like a snare drum, right?

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You, you tune the snare drum.

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In a sense.

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Yes.

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So you've got a different kind of tuning on your snare and you've got a different kind

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of tuning.

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Every single beatboxer is different.

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Yeah.

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Every single one of them.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So hang on a sec.

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So you can actually do acapella beatboxing.

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Yeah.

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If that's the case, right?

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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I mean, acapella is actually means without music.

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Yeah.

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Without like the accompaniment, you're just doing music.

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With your voice.

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And when you do something like this, I mean, how much, how, how did you, did someone train

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you, someone teach you how to do this?

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So you might not believe it, but the person that I actually bugged, the first person is

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right beside you.

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This guy.

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Yeah, me.

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This guy, this guy with a tighter snare.

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Yes.

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So he, he was the one that I, I sort of approached and I was just like, Hey, I want to learn.

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So then he taught me my first three sounds and I just drilled and practiced them.

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Okay.

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Three sounds.

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The first, okay.

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What were those three sounds?

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So the kick drum.

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And the hi-hat.

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Yes.

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And then the snare.

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So just a basic three-part drum.

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So you taught her how to do that.

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Yes.

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Now, can you teach me how to do that?

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to skew this thing.

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I'm going to skew this up, man.

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I know I'm going to skew this up.

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Let's start off with the bass first.

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Okay.

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So it's almost like you're over pronouncing the letter B.

262
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So B, B, B, B, B, B.

263
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Right.

264
00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:58,560
So once you do that, you, you realize your lips is over pronouncing it.

265
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It's moving slightly.

266
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Almost there.

267
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There you go.

268
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And he stopped using voice.

269
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You put it, push out a little bit of air where you should be getting his.

270
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There you go.

271
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There you go.

272
00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:09,760
Yeah.

273
00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:10,240
Holy shit.

274
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That was the first of the three sounds.

275
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What was that?

276
00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:12,000
What was that?

277
00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:12,400
That's the bass.

278
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The kick drum.

279
00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:13,680
Oh, that's the kick drum.

280
00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:13,920
Yeah.

281
00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,040
So that's the kick.

282
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So to make it a little bit easier on you, don't fold the lips in.

283
00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:20,660
Okay.

284
00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,240
So instead of going, right?

285
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You want to do neutral position, neutral and there you go.

286
00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:30,660
Yeah.

287
00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,240
There you go.

288
00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,200
Sounds like a fart, man.

289
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It's easier.

290
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If you put too much air, yeah.

291
00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,640
Ladies and gentlemen, you just heard Chris Hansen's canto.

292
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If you see either one of us on the floor, you know why.

293
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Okay.

294
00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:44,960
So that was a kick.

295
00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:45,680
What's the next one?

296
00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:47,440
So the next one we always go is the easiest sound.

297
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It's the hi-hats.

298
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Right.

299
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Right.

300
00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:49,920
So there's two times.

301
00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,840
The first one we always go is the close hi-hat.

302
00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,840
It's just, you're just pronouncing letter T.

303
00:10:56,560 --> 00:10:59,520
You know, like when you're a little bit annoyed, you know.

304
00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:01,040
There you go.

305
00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,160
And then you want to keep it short.

306
00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:04,400
Yeah.

307
00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:04,960
Nice and short.

308
00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,640
There you go.

309
00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:09,200
There you go.

310
00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,200
There's two types of that as well.

311
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The second one is the open hi-hat.

312
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Or we call it the open hi-hat.

313
00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:15,920
I mean, drummers call it something else.

314
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So when it's open up, you add a little bit of an S behind it.

315
00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:20,260
Just...

316
00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:25,760
Same mouth position.

317
00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:26,640
Same mouth position.

318
00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:27,200
Just a little bit.

319
00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:29,520
There you go.

320
00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:30,880
Try to open up your lip a little bit more.

321
00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:32,320
You hear the sound?

322
00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,320
Much more open.

323
00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:35,120
Holy shit.

324
00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:35,760
Okay.

325
00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,920
So with just these three sounds, you can do quite a bit.

326
00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,680
You can do quite a lot with that.

327
00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:44,720
Or even...

328
00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,560
I am so scoot now.

329
00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:47,840
Let's just say two sounds, right?

330
00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:48,240
It's just...

331
00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:57,200
You're using your voice on the beat.

332
00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,560
So just slow down.

333
00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:06,080
Let's try this one.

334
00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:12,320
Yeah.

335
00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:13,520
So you practice that one.

336
00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,600
So this is what it will probably sound like.

337
00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:16,720
Can you imagine?

338
00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:17,520
Can you imagine?

339
00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:18,080
I walk all...

340
00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,320
Oh boy.

341
00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,280
Do that one more time.

342
00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:24,560
Let's trade a club in.

343
00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:27,680
That's why I just walk you.

344
00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:30,000
That's what I mean.

345
00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:30,720
Wow.

346
00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,680
What was life like before you became General Ling?

347
00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,680
Before I started beatboxing or...

348
00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:38,000
Yeah.

349
00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,120
I mean, just tell us.

350
00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,800
You know, music.

351
00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,200
You said you were an acapella, right?

352
00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:43,920
Yes.

353
00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,920
So how do you land up singing,

354
00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,640
getting into the music to begin with?

355
00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,960
So I actually grew up with my Chinese parents' classical.

356
00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,160
Jingqu.

357
00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,680
So all the Deng Lijun,

358
00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:56,720
San Yu Li.

359
00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,720
I never forget you.

360
00:12:58,720 --> 00:12:59,760
You forget me.

361
00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:00,240
That one?

362
00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:00,480
Yeah.

363
00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:01,040
Those kind.

364
00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,240
I grew up with those music.

365
00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,360
And then it's just, you know,

366
00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,280
listen to the music and just sing kind of thing.

367
00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,320
I didn't really think of doing music actually,

368
00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,040
because I was in sports group and uniform groups.

369
00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,920
So you wouldn't think that I would be going to music.

370
00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:16,160
Okay.

371
00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:17,360
And your friends were surprised.

372
00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:17,920
Yes.

373
00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:18,560
Right.

374
00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:19,360
Everybody was like,

375
00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:20,720
I never thought you would do that.

376
00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,200
So your influence was basically Chinese,

377
00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,080
old Chinese songs.

378
00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:24,720
Yes.

379
00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,480
So which mom and dad used to play.

380
00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:26,960
Yes.

381
00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:27,360
Right.

382
00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,280
I specifically caught something you said.

383
00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,280
I don't know whether there's any meaning behind it.

384
00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,200
You said my Chinese parents.

385
00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:34,720
What do you mean?

386
00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:36,560
Basically, you just,

387
00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:38,480
are you just literally saying that,

388
00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:39,840
oh, my parents were Chinese?

389
00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,880
I'm more of saying that because they are like,

390
00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,080
my generation, for example,

391
00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,760
they're people who are English school.

392
00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,160
I see you mean the Chinese educated.

393
00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:48,560
Yes.

394
00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:49,360
Right.

395
00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:50,160
Okay.

396
00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:51,360
I just wanted to get out.

397
00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:56,560
So their influences were pretty on the Taiwanese,

398
00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:57,280
China.

399
00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:57,520
Yeah.

400
00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:57,840
Yeah.

401
00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:58,480
Those influences.

402
00:13:58,480 --> 00:13:59,280
How about you, man?

403
00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:00,480
How about you?

404
00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,120
How did you get into music, man?

405
00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,920
Well, I came from a family that does theater.

406
00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:07,200
Yeah.

407
00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,280
My uncle founded Actree.

408
00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:10,480
He's Jasmine Summert.

409
00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:11,600
Oh.

410
00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:11,920
Yeah.

411
00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,840
So he's the third of the Actree.

412
00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,840
He was on my grandson, the doctor,

413
00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:17,920
Dr. Jamal, I think what he was.

414
00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,360
Ah, whoa.

415
00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,720
And my aunt is like, she's a music director,

416
00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,680
music teacher for Yamaha.

417
00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:25,920
Right.

418
00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,520
So it's all in the family.

419
00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:28,640
It's pretty much all in the family.

420
00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,120
So my family has two sides, the engineers,

421
00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,000
which, you know, do quality control.

422
00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,400
One, I think my mom works, if I remember wrong,

423
00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,320
my mom actually works for ST Electronics

424
00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:39,520
for the longest time before this.

425
00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,080
And the other side is the music guys.

426
00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:42,480
Okay.

427
00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,080
So I'm right down in the middle.

428
00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,880
You know, I'm the techie guy that does music.

429
00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,120
And, you know, I'm pretty much a delinquent.

430
00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,120
I was growing up, you know, getting into fights,

431
00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,080
doing this, doing that.

432
00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,720
And music was one of those few things

433
00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,960
that pretty much got my mind off of,

434
00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,120
you know, doing all of those, being a delinquent,

435
00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,160
I would put it as, or getting into trouble most times.

436
00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,000
And that is one of those few things and getting into it.

437
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:04,160
Yeah.

438
00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:04,960
It's amazing guys.

439
00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,640
You know, I've been talking to a lot of musos

440
00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,640
from my Tribute to SG Music Icons series.

441
00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:17,120
And people who've spanned in this business of music

442
00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:22,480
for like, wow, my goodness, 40, 50 years average each.

443
00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,400
With the exception of one who's a fan of yours, Afwan.

444
00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,200
Brother for another mother.

445
00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,720
I had a great chat with Afwan.

446
00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,160
And, you know, but there's a common thread

447
00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,160
I recognize amongst everybody, including you guys.

448
00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,960
Because you guys are like the current generation of musicians.

449
00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:45,280
Yeah.

450
00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:46,160
Yeah.

451
00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,880
And you're definitely far younger than I am.

452
00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:49,200
Yeah.

453
00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,200
And far, far younger than most of the other people

454
00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,320
have been seated at, seats that you're now sitting in

455
00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,000
for that series.

456
00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,720
And the common thread is the influence of music being played

457
00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,400
by the folks at home.

458
00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:03,680
Yeah, pretty much.

459
00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,240
Clement said that, Clement Chao.

460
00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:06,480
Oh.

461
00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,120
I think Afwan also says something like that.

462
00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,880
And for sure, Leonard and Dudley had their influences

463
00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,880
from their family members, you know.

464
00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,840
And people who said, let's take the guitar up

465
00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,840
or, you know, take up the percussions and stuff.

466
00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,440
And it's always, it really is influence usually comes

467
00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,440
from the home, which I think is brilliant.

468
00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,840
And I got to say, including me.

469
00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,120
Yes, yeah, that's right.

470
00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,120
I got to attribute this to my uncles and my mom, you know.

471
00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,520
Every day as a kid, you drive around in the cars

472
00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,160
and they play music or at home to play old records, right?

473
00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,360
Mm-hmm, that's true.

474
00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,200
And it just grows in you, yeah.

475
00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,400
So it's pretty interesting to just discover that

476
00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,400
there's some sort of commonality.

477
00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,440
Okay, so now, freestyle rapping.

478
00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,120
We talked about beatboxing.

479
00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,440
So what's freestyle rapping about?

480
00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,840
So freestyle rapping is a subgenre of rap, right?

481
00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:07,840
Most people, like, you know, rap it, rapidly something poetry, right?

482
00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:14,000
Freestyle rapping is pretty much when we take a certain topic,

483
00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,360
try to think up of specific rhythms on the spot.

484
00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:17,840
Right.

485
00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,320
Or try to tell a story or try to make something out of it.

486
00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:20,960
Yeah.

487
00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,640
From simple of saying that, from stuff like,

488
00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,200
right here with Chris Hanson, we just chilling out

489
00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,000
around in Tampines, we gonna hit it up and drown.

490
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,000
With the podcast, the CCB podcast.

491
00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,560
No matter what we just gonna do, let them normally broadcast.

492
00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,120
Right on the camera, we got kind of background.

493
00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:39,760
So no matter what, we just gonna do it, let them rap now.

494
00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,440
So stuff like that, right?

495
00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,200
So it's taking almost anything, pulling it back.

496
00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:51,440
One of my good friends, Requiem, big up to Requiem,

497
00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,440
he is one of the champion freestyle rappers here in Singapore,

498
00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,440
next to Inero and all these guys.

499
00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:04,240
The way he says it is beautiful, is taking something from right in front of you,

500
00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,840
pulling it into making people think about other things else,

501
00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:13,280
and remaking it sense to the person that's listening to you.

502
00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,280
Yeah, but you know, I mean, there are two things I picked up from what you just said, man.

503
00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,240
First, you said there was a subset of rapping.

504
00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:20,800
Yeah.

505
00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:21,920
How is that a subset?

506
00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,360
In a sense because with freestyle, for me,

507
00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:34,640
as a freestyle artist myself, traditional rapping is we already wrote it down.

508
00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:35,040
Yeah.

509
00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,880
Yeah, you have to wrote it down somewhere,

510
00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,480
and you know, basic freestyle is you have it, wrote it down,

511
00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,880
you memorize it, and you match it to the beat that anybody plays for you.

512
00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:45,040
Right.

513
00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,240
Like a DJ or anything else.

514
00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,440
Right, so you're saying that is a subset simply because for rap, it's like a song,

515
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,920
you compose it, you put it down on paper, it's there, right?

516
00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:54,560
For sure.

517
00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,360
Right, okay, but freestyle is on the fly.

518
00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:57,760
Yes.

519
00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,640
Okay, now what you just did just now, just, I just need to understand,

520
00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,640
the right brain is going to be fucking far bigger than the left fucking brain

521
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,360
to come up with stuff like that, right?

522
00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:10,800
I attribute it to my dyslexia.

523
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,840
Oh, shut the fuck up about dyslexia.

524
00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,120
I don't see how this has got nothing to do with dyslexia.

525
00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:21,920
So now I just want to know, I just want to know, how do, this is like improv

526
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,880
of the highest order.

527
00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:25,520
In a sense.

528
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:30,480
I mean, you can have a comedian go on stage, right, and the guy impromptu

529
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:38,400
living shit out of his entire show, but this is beyond words, words, yeah.

530
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,440
It's what's with rhythm.

531
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:42,160
In that sense, yeah.

532
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,880
So you were saying that what you say, requiem, when he said that if you can take something

533
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,640
in front of you and make sense of it, right?

534
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:48,800
Yeah.

535
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,040
Okay, I'm going to throw you this shit.

536
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,720
You did a little bit of that, but let's try to, let's see how smooth you can make this

537
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:54,960
one.

538
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:55,200
Okay.

539
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:55,760
Okay.

540
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,600
And you can please feel free to beatbox with him.

541
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,440
Say something about the Chris Hansen conversation, CHC.

542
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:04,000
Okay.

543
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:04,720
Say something about it.

544
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:05,120
I don't know.

545
00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:05,440
I don't know.

546
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:06,400
I'm leaving it to you, man.

547
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:07,120
All right.

548
00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:07,680
Okay.

549
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:08,000
Okay.

550
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,800
Elaine, you want to get, you got something on me?

551
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,240
Just to be laid out.

552
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:22,800
So, so right here, we're at CHC, the Chris Hansen's conversation.

553
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,920
No matter what we just kind of talking, probably glitching.

554
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,160
Got my brother, Alphonse, coming before.

555
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:29,280
He's the widow.

556
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,080
We got do it.

557
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,680
No matter what we just call it.

558
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:37,520
We're talking from the muses of the back and forth, the legends and the presence.

559
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,160
No matter what we've crossed, I'll be the future.

560
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,440
We coming together.

561
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:42,320
No matter race.

562
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,640
We got hero outside with the love.

563
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:51,200
So we do it with Kai and Chris Hansen with the beatbox and a generaling.

564
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,640
No more with Hansen, no more.

565
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:53,760
It ain't so bold enough.

566
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:59,120
No matter what we just do, we coming together to beat, to doubt, and more to kill it.

567
00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:00,400
Whoa.

568
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,120
To stuff like that.

569
00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:02,640
Oh, man.

570
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:03,360
Thank you.

571
00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:05,360
Freaking guys, you killed that one, man.

572
00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:08,720
I mean, I swear to God, when I was listening in my cans, right?

573
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:09,440
Yeah.

574
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,440
Your beatbox was like freaking surround.

575
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,320
Yeah.

576
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,280
I mean, like what the fuck was going on?

577
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,400
That's the sound design that beatboxes can do as they practice it.

578
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,520
Sound design?

579
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:22,480
Like a sound design.

580
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:24,480
Seriously?

581
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,160
An advanced lesson that we do teach is sound shaping.

582
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,120
So it's like how you craft the sound and textures.

583
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:33,040
But not many people have the patience to get there.

584
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,520
Yeah, because that takes like what, three hours?

585
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,000
No, that was utterly ridiculous, you know?

586
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,760
I mean, I've been doing stuff, right?

587
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,920
I mean, in music for what?

588
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,000
In media and music and being on stage as a host and so on, singing.

589
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:53,600
And listening to you guys on the cans, it was insane.

590
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,560
People, you, fuck me, I hope you replicate this thing.

591
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,560
Right now, we're recording it because what I'm hearing...

592
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,760
You need headphones after that.

593
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,440
I mean, you're replicating it.

594
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,600
It was absolutely nuts, man.

595
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:06,400
Thank you.

596
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,400
Geez, wow.

597
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,520
Okay, now that I'm so mesmerized.

598
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,120
And god, my ass is on fire just now.

599
00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:16,080
You got a beat, it was so good.

600
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,680
Tell me about that competition that you represented in Singapore in Berlin.

601
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:22,880
What was it like?

602
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,800
How tough was the competition?

603
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,200
It was very intimidating, I'll be honest.

604
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,320
Because when I was battling in Singapore, it was against all the guys.

605
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,080
Well, that's a word to use, battling, yeah?

606
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:34,880
Yes, it does.

607
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:35,680
That's a word to use.

608
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,400
We had to compete because there was no female's league here in Singapore.

609
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,400
So then I was the only female that...

610
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,200
Why is that so?

611
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,120
In your opinion?

612
00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:48,560
It is not a very easy art for females to get into,

613
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,880
but I do see an increasing trend nowadays, which I'm very happy to see.

614
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:53,840
Because you're leading the way.

615
00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:00,080
I hope so, and maybe other influences as well like YouTube and IG, TikToks.

616
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,440
But when I started, at that point in time,

617
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,880
I didn't really have much avenues to say that's a female league.

618
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,720
Just compete within the females.

619
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,840
So I had to go straight into the guys.

620
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,400
And then I didn't expect to actually get into the world championship

621
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,640
until my friend said, like, hey, congratulations.

622
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:19,200
I was like, what?

623
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,080
I was still teaching, and I was doing a class.

624
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,120
Suddenly I just saw my name on the line-up and I was just like, oh no.

625
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:27,440
Was it oh no?

626
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,240
Or was it oh yeah?

627
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,320
It was oh no because it was so close away,

628
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,680
and I was like, oh crap, I only have like maybe one or two months just to practice.

629
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:36,400
Okay.

630
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,920
And like to memorize a routine and all that, it takes time.

631
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,360
Craft the routine, it takes time.

632
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:41,760
Okay.

633
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,800
So I did all I could, practice.

634
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,160
Once I got to Berlin, I practiced, I practiced, and I practiced.

635
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,200
And then the moment I stepped on the stage, I blanked.

636
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:52,000
No!

637
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:53,920
I blanked.

638
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,760
She turned into me, she freestyled the whole time.

639
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,520
Really?

640
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,020
Yeah.

641
00:23:58,020 --> 00:24:04,100
I blanked because I saw the crowd and so many people, and it's so different because

642
00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:08,340
when you're performing in front of the audience who don't understand and they feel music,

643
00:24:08,980 --> 00:24:12,980
you're not going to feel so scrutinized because once you go on the beatboxing competition,

644
00:24:12,980 --> 00:24:16,980
they will scrutinize your techniques, not just your flow,

645
00:24:16,980 --> 00:24:20,820
and then how you put everything together, how complex you think it is,

646
00:24:20,820 --> 00:24:23,300
kind of thing, and it was so much pressure.

647
00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:27,140
I never realized that it would have been really this complex, you know?

648
00:24:27,140 --> 00:24:27,700
Yeah.

649
00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:30,900
Really, until really this conversation, I never realized that.

650
00:24:31,540 --> 00:24:33,300
So what happened with that competition then?

651
00:24:34,260 --> 00:24:40,820
Well, I walked away with a very clear sign of which path I wanted to go to.

652
00:24:40,820 --> 00:24:44,020
I realized that because I met other people, other beatboxers as well,

653
00:24:44,020 --> 00:24:46,500
and they were like champions in their own country.

654
00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:46,980
Right.

655
00:24:46,980 --> 00:24:50,660
And then even they didn't get very highly placed in the world championships.

656
00:24:50,660 --> 00:24:51,220
Right.

657
00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:55,860
Then I realized that there's a very huge difference between competitor or battler,

658
00:24:55,860 --> 00:24:57,700
teacher or performer.

659
00:24:57,700 --> 00:24:58,200
Okay.

660
00:24:59,220 --> 00:25:01,780
So then there were technically like three tracks for you to choose from.

661
00:25:01,780 --> 00:25:02,500
Right.

662
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:05,940
So if you want to be a battler, then it will be within the scene itself.

663
00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:06,500
Right.

664
00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:09,700
Teacher, of course, is what I do and then sharing the art.

665
00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:13,140
Performer, I feel, is the most versatile one.

666
00:25:13,140 --> 00:25:13,940
Okay.

667
00:25:13,940 --> 00:25:18,180
Because then you can actually convert yourself into an artist, you start putting tracks out.

668
00:25:18,180 --> 00:25:24,500
But right now, is it clear that you've placed yourself in the teacher route?

669
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:28,180
I've actually placed myself in the teacher and performer.

670
00:25:28,180 --> 00:25:29,060
Okay.

671
00:25:29,060 --> 00:25:35,540
Not so much the battler because I just really, it doesn't make me feel like I love it.

672
00:25:35,540 --> 00:25:38,420
I'm only, I did that for a representation.

673
00:25:38,420 --> 00:25:39,140
Right.

674
00:25:39,140 --> 00:25:41,140
And who won the competition?

675
00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:44,020
You as female.

676
00:25:44,020 --> 00:25:45,220
Yeah.

677
00:25:45,220 --> 00:25:46,820
And they're very strong.

678
00:25:46,820 --> 00:25:51,620
So the thing I noticed about the community as well is that they're very supportive in

679
00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:54,660
their relevant countries.

680
00:25:54,660 --> 00:26:00,420
So there isn't really like people putting on as or to say, oh, you know, I know more

681
00:26:00,420 --> 00:26:03,140
than you, you know, I'm better than you.

682
00:26:03,140 --> 00:26:08,180
In other countries, it's more of, hey, like, let's try this, let's share this, let's do

683
00:26:08,180 --> 00:26:08,820
this.

684
00:26:08,820 --> 00:26:10,500
Let's have fun.

685
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:16,260
And it's so open and it's so inviting that the growth, you can see the growth in the

686
00:26:16,260 --> 00:26:16,740
scene.

687
00:26:16,740 --> 00:26:20,660
So like the US, France comes up with really good B-bosses.

688
00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:21,220
Yeah.

689
00:26:21,220 --> 00:26:26,100
I'm not sure whether you saw the golden buzzer guy, MB14.

690
00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:26,820
No.

691
00:26:26,820 --> 00:26:34,260
So he's from France, but the way that he puts beatboxing into musicality, that to me is

692
00:26:34,260 --> 00:26:36,900
what, you know, to show what beatboxing can really do.

693
00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:45,620
Now that you said all this, you know, about how people have such great passion over this

694
00:26:45,620 --> 00:26:53,060
craft of theirs, and you've seen that having gone for the global championships, right?

695
00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:57,060
How do you compare that with our scene here in Singapore?

696
00:26:57,060 --> 00:26:58,500
What's it like, in your own words?

697
00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:04,260
So when we, when I first started, the community was really, really supportive and I loved

698
00:27:04,260 --> 00:27:05,620
it because that's where I grew.

699
00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:06,740
You know, I met so many people.

700
00:27:06,740 --> 00:27:16,740
There's the, sorry, there's the slightly older or the more senior B-boxes like the one

701
00:27:16,740 --> 00:27:17,380
beside me.

702
00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:18,740
Senior bro, senior.

703
00:27:18,740 --> 00:27:20,020
Yeah, we call ourselves the relics.

704
00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:23,780
So there are waves of generations.

705
00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:24,580
Yeah.

706
00:27:24,580 --> 00:27:26,260
So I think he's like second generation.

707
00:27:26,260 --> 00:27:28,340
I forgot what's mine was.

708
00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:29,940
Four, four, five, fifth, fourth.

709
00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:30,580
You're the fourth.

710
00:27:30,580 --> 00:27:31,940
Yeah, you're the fourth.

711
00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:34,660
Now I think we're already at like some double number.

712
00:27:34,660 --> 00:27:40,100
So you're saying that is it growing and thriving in Singapore?

713
00:27:41,220 --> 00:27:45,620
I would say that when we first started Beat Zink, right?

714
00:27:46,180 --> 00:27:54,580
And to sort of see how people perceive beatboxing, it was still very street art and they were

715
00:27:54,580 --> 00:27:56,260
not willing to pay for value.

716
00:27:58,580 --> 00:28:00,100
But now we do see.

717
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:02,500
But come on, that's Singapore for you.

718
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:04,660
I mean, not just for beatboxers, right?

719
00:28:04,660 --> 00:28:05,540
For even your...

720
00:28:05,540 --> 00:28:06,420
Yeah.

721
00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:14,180
I would say that we tried very, very hard to sort of put the professionalism into beatboxing.

722
00:28:14,180 --> 00:28:17,860
To help people understand that we are professionals as well and why you should pay for us.

723
00:28:17,860 --> 00:28:22,740
Because when we first started, I remember people only wanted to pay like 20 bucks.

724
00:28:23,620 --> 00:28:24,580
Less than that actually.

725
00:28:24,580 --> 00:28:25,080
Geez.

726
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:27,700
That's considered one of the better ones.

727
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:32,020
Like the worst ones were like community prices, community center prices.

728
00:28:32,020 --> 00:28:32,580
Yeah.

729
00:28:32,580 --> 00:28:36,420
Just when I first started teaching beatboxing 15 years ago, it was...

730
00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:37,860
People were not...

731
00:28:39,380 --> 00:28:41,380
They wanted it free of five bucks.

732
00:28:41,380 --> 00:28:44,660
You know, because for them it's, okay, I'm just making noises.

733
00:28:45,220 --> 00:28:47,460
I'm just doing a Michael Winslow or...

734
00:28:47,460 --> 00:28:50,100
Because back then, you know, people were watching Police Academy.

735
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:52,020
People just basically don't take this seriously.

736
00:28:52,020 --> 00:28:52,500
That's all.

737
00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:52,900
Yeah.

738
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:53,860
Anything is easy.

739
00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:54,820
At that point of time, yes.

740
00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:56,980
Anything is trendy, right?

741
00:28:56,980 --> 00:28:58,900
And they don't see this as an art.

742
00:28:58,900 --> 00:28:59,140
Right.

743
00:28:59,140 --> 00:29:03,540
So bringing back to your question in terms of how the scene is.

744
00:29:03,540 --> 00:29:04,040
Yeah.

745
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:06,180
We have these thoughts.

746
00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:09,540
So we have the people who try to make it professional.

747
00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:15,620
And we have those who are still figuring out how to clarify their stance, I guess.

748
00:29:17,140 --> 00:29:20,740
There's a lot of groups that popped up that were like young people.

749
00:29:20,740 --> 00:29:21,780
Like they just wanted to have fun.

750
00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:28,660
And when we try to sort of like share professionalism side of things,

751
00:29:28,660 --> 00:29:32,100
then you know, that politics start to come into play.

752
00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:35,940
So then I decided, okay, you know what?

753
00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:40,660
We're just going to step out and do our own thing because we have our belief

754
00:29:40,660 --> 00:29:44,900
and we can only stand firm in our belief to show the attraction that we get

755
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:46,980
and the people that we sort of share and help.

756
00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:49,540
Well, whoever comes through our doors.

757
00:29:49,540 --> 00:29:55,620
Because there's a huge difference between, say, when you get someone who just only

758
00:29:55,620 --> 00:30:01,940
really learn how to beatbox or that they know how to beatbox and then they teach

759
00:30:01,940 --> 00:30:04,580
versus the people who really want to teach.

760
00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:05,220
Yeah.

761
00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:08,340
Because contrary to popular belief, right?

762
00:30:09,860 --> 00:30:12,180
People always say, if you can't do, you teach, right?

763
00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:14,740
But in beatboxing, it's the other way around.

764
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:18,340
It's either you can really teach, right?

765
00:30:18,340 --> 00:30:22,580
And you're a good battler or you can teach and you're a good performer

766
00:30:22,580 --> 00:30:25,540
or you're a good battler and performer, but you can't really teach.

767
00:30:25,540 --> 00:30:29,140
Because the way that you do your sounds and the way that you experience it,

768
00:30:29,140 --> 00:30:31,860
because our biologists are different from everybody else,

769
00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:34,740
from one person to another person, it's not the same.

770
00:30:34,740 --> 00:30:35,700
You can't explain it.

771
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:36,420
You can't get it.

772
00:30:36,420 --> 00:30:38,660
Yeah, everyone's vocal cords are different as well.

773
00:30:38,660 --> 00:30:39,380
Yes, exactly.

774
00:30:39,380 --> 00:30:39,860
Exactly.

775
00:30:39,860 --> 00:30:40,420
Yeah.

776
00:30:40,420 --> 00:30:45,060
And our goal was to bring beatboxing into real life.

777
00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:48,660
Like help them explain what is the value of beatboxing in your life.

778
00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:52,820
So this is how Beats Inc. Music started, is it?

779
00:30:52,820 --> 00:30:53,140
Yes.

780
00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:54,020
Yeah, 10 years ago.

781
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:58,420
We wanted to teach beatboxing proper and to be seen as professionals

782
00:30:58,420 --> 00:31:01,780
rather than street performers, you know?

783
00:31:01,780 --> 00:31:02,260
Yeah.

784
00:31:02,260 --> 00:31:04,900
Because people always ask like, oh, why should we learn from you?

785
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:06,100
Like we can just learn from YouTube.

786
00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:07,060
Right.

787
00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:10,500
Like sure, but no one's going to tell you whether or not you're doing it correct.

788
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:10,740
Yeah.

789
00:31:10,740 --> 00:31:12,100
Whether you can develop habits.

790
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:12,660
Yeah.

791
00:31:12,660 --> 00:31:15,140
Sometimes people think just by watching a video,

792
00:31:15,140 --> 00:31:16,340
they can learn something straight away.

793
00:31:16,340 --> 00:31:16,980
That's not true.

794
00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:22,340
So this whole thing, this craft that you're teaching

795
00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:25,300
under Beats Inc. Music, is it?

796
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:29,460
Beats Inc. Music, ladies and gentlemen, is a beatboxing academy.

797
00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:31,940
And who are your students?

798
00:31:31,940 --> 00:31:34,980
Do you go to the schools or do private students come to you guys?

799
00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:38,100
We have a wide range of students, I would say.

800
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:40,260
So we have the private students.

801
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:43,380
The private students within that category,

802
00:31:43,380 --> 00:31:45,380
sometimes we have those with special needs.

803
00:31:45,380 --> 00:31:45,700
Right.

804
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:49,300
Learning disabilities because beatboxing has proven to help them.

805
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:49,940
Really?

806
00:31:49,940 --> 00:31:50,180
Yeah.

807
00:31:50,180 --> 00:31:52,580
I specialize in special needs.

808
00:31:52,580 --> 00:31:53,060
Confidence.

809
00:31:53,060 --> 00:31:53,460
Yeah.

810
00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:54,020
I teach.

811
00:31:54,020 --> 00:31:56,740
He just did like a few special needs schools.

812
00:31:56,740 --> 00:31:59,140
I did three months' worth of Mines.

813
00:31:59,140 --> 00:31:59,860
Yeah.

814
00:31:59,860 --> 00:32:00,660
Over...

815
00:32:00,660 --> 00:32:01,300
Mines, yeah.

816
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:02,660
Yeah, Mines Academy.

817
00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:07,140
I had three months there because for them, for their students,

818
00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:13,460
it's part of the interest group at the same time to help them a little bit with speech

819
00:32:13,460 --> 00:32:17,380
and everything else because sometimes, and for past 15 years on and off,

820
00:32:17,380 --> 00:32:19,300
I've been doing like Grace Orchard and everything else.

821
00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:20,580
And I always focus...

822
00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:23,940
My specialty is always to teach student at risk,

823
00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:26,260
you know, the former delinquents like myself or, you know,

824
00:32:26,820 --> 00:32:30,340
or even, you know, special needs because they...

825
00:32:30,340 --> 00:32:32,420
It takes a lot of patience, I'll be honest with you.

826
00:32:32,420 --> 00:32:34,500
I would not trust a lot of other people.

827
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:38,020
You keep using the term delinquent, man.

828
00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:39,460
I don't see you as a delinquent.

829
00:32:39,460 --> 00:32:40,340
Yeah, now.

830
00:32:40,340 --> 00:32:42,020
Now, you don't remember.

831
00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:42,740
Oh, really?

832
00:32:42,740 --> 00:32:43,940
She knows me.

833
00:32:44,740 --> 00:32:46,580
I mean, we've been together for 16 years.

834
00:32:46,580 --> 00:32:50,740
She's seen me from my delinquent days all the way up to the...

835
00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:54,740
But now, taking your craft, both of you, taking your craft,

836
00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:57,540
beatboxing and freestyle rapping, you teach that as well, right?

837
00:32:57,540 --> 00:32:58,420
Yes, yes, yes.

838
00:32:58,420 --> 00:33:02,500
Okay. Taking these things and then into beats,

839
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:05,620
ink, music, and, you know, doing so much good out there,

840
00:33:06,340 --> 00:33:10,500
is it helping you earn a good living at least?

841
00:33:11,220 --> 00:33:11,780
Yes.

842
00:33:11,780 --> 00:33:13,860
Yeah, I would say that's great to know.

843
00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:14,740
Yes, it is.

844
00:33:14,740 --> 00:33:17,540
Of course, when we first started, it was really challenging.

845
00:33:17,540 --> 00:33:19,220
Yeah, as in anything.

846
00:33:19,220 --> 00:33:20,660
Yes, that's true.

847
00:33:20,660 --> 00:33:22,180
It was really challenging.

848
00:33:22,180 --> 00:33:24,980
We were like just basking at Haji Lane.

849
00:33:24,980 --> 00:33:26,020
We were performing until like...

850
00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:27,860
Orchard Road, Haji Lane, yeah.

851
00:33:27,860 --> 00:33:29,460
Maybe like 2, 3 a.m.

852
00:33:29,460 --> 00:33:31,380
And then we would just wait for the first bus back

853
00:33:31,380 --> 00:33:32,340
because we didn't want to spend.

854
00:33:32,340 --> 00:33:35,220
We didn't really have a lot to spend for like the cab fares.

855
00:33:35,220 --> 00:33:36,820
Those were the good hungry years, huh?

856
00:33:36,820 --> 00:33:37,380
Yeah.

857
00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:37,860
Yeah.

858
00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:39,060
Our first...

859
00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:41,860
And big up to going home back then when Haji Lane...

860
00:33:41,860 --> 00:33:43,380
Now, they are in Bali Lane actually.

861
00:33:43,380 --> 00:33:47,780
But in Haji Lane, Oli, Yusof, all those guys,

862
00:33:47,780 --> 00:33:48,820
they took care of us.

863
00:33:48,820 --> 00:33:51,380
They make sure that the musicians are well taken care of.

864
00:33:51,380 --> 00:33:54,100
They, you know, you have any...

865
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:57,060
You want to sleep upstairs for a few hours

866
00:33:57,060 --> 00:33:58,420
and then you guys can go in the morning,

867
00:33:58,420 --> 00:33:59,300
you know, that kind of thing.

868
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:00,100
It's amazing.

869
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:03,060
And these guys like that and people like that,

870
00:34:03,060 --> 00:34:05,300
we were very thankful to meet people like that.

871
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:06,100
I mean, it's amazing.

872
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:06,900
Yeah.

873
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:09,780
Now that you're talking about these guys,

874
00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:10,900
I just would like to...

875
00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:12,500
Educate me a little bit, okay?

876
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:19,380
How does your craft compare to the guys like Young Raja,

877
00:34:19,380 --> 00:34:20,420
Abang Sapao?

878
00:34:20,420 --> 00:34:22,020
Is it different?

879
00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:24,020
I would say slightly.

880
00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:24,820
They rap?

881
00:34:24,820 --> 00:34:26,020
Yeah, they rap too.

882
00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:29,060
With them, their freestyle, it's...

883
00:34:29,060 --> 00:34:31,060
Would be somewhat similar to mine.

884
00:34:31,060 --> 00:34:32,020
Yeah.

885
00:34:32,020 --> 00:34:34,180
Like I've heard Young Raja freestyle before,

886
00:34:34,180 --> 00:34:39,460
but again, it's a little bit harder to just come off the top of your head.

887
00:34:39,460 --> 00:34:40,180
Right.

888
00:34:40,180 --> 00:34:42,740
Because that's the kind of thing where...

889
00:34:42,740 --> 00:34:44,020
It means you're constantly thinking.

890
00:34:44,020 --> 00:34:48,340
I can attest to that because he tried giving me like a freestyle lesson

891
00:34:48,340 --> 00:34:50,900
and he made me like try to do it and I'm like, nope.

892
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:51,620
Nope.

893
00:34:51,620 --> 00:34:53,220
Yeah, because it takes practice.

894
00:34:53,220 --> 00:34:54,580
It takes a lot of practice.

895
00:34:54,580 --> 00:34:56,340
You start from you're writing it down,

896
00:34:56,340 --> 00:34:59,140
whatever random phrases you have, write it down,

897
00:34:59,140 --> 00:35:00,500
and then you make it into the thing.

898
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:03,300
Young Raja was on my last podcast.

899
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:04,020
Yeah.

900
00:35:04,020 --> 00:35:05,300
Him and Abang Sapao.

901
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:05,860
Oh, nice.

902
00:35:05,860 --> 00:35:07,380
So I just wanted to find out, you know,

903
00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:09,700
what's the similarity between them.

904
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:12,340
What's the similarity or any differences at all?

905
00:35:12,340 --> 00:35:17,300
I mean, the slight differences is because I can't remember a thing if I write it down.

906
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:17,940
Really?

907
00:35:17,940 --> 00:35:18,500
Yeah.

908
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:20,500
Well, this is where I come back to what you did just now, man.

909
00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:21,300
Yes.

910
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:23,460
When you take this one thing in front of you

911
00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:26,740
and you make it from nothing to something.

912
00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:28,820
So I just need to understand this.

913
00:35:28,820 --> 00:35:30,180
How do you do it?

914
00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:31,380
What...

915
00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:35,780
Is there a mechanical mechanism behind this?

916
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:39,140
Is there a process, something technical perhaps

917
00:35:39,140 --> 00:35:40,180
that people can learn?

918
00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:43,300
So the way that my head works mainly,

919
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:45,540
it's almost like an empty blank piece of paper, right?

920
00:35:45,540 --> 00:35:49,940
So if you tell me, okay, let's write about the Chris Hansen conversation.

921
00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:50,820
Yeah, yeah, what you did.

922
00:35:50,820 --> 00:35:55,140
So from there, I'm putting in whatever,

923
00:35:55,140 --> 00:35:58,580
almost I'm writing it down in my head where whatever I've seen,

924
00:35:58,580 --> 00:36:00,900
of whatever I've experienced,

925
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:03,780
or I know about what's happening at that point in time.

926
00:36:03,780 --> 00:36:06,500
So I make that into specific phrases,

927
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:08,980
and then I'll just link it up.

928
00:36:08,980 --> 00:36:11,620
So basically it's based on what you've known, what you've seen.

929
00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:12,180
Correct.

930
00:36:12,180 --> 00:36:14,900
But to make it, it's got a rhyme, right?

931
00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:17,060
Yeah, so that's the part that you need to practice.

932
00:36:17,060 --> 00:36:20,420
So it's like freaking instantaneous poetry.

933
00:36:20,420 --> 00:36:21,460
In a sense, yes.

934
00:36:21,460 --> 00:36:24,260
But it's a one-off kind of thing because once I say it,

935
00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:27,140
unless you record it, I hope...

936
00:36:27,140 --> 00:36:28,660
Unless you record it, I'm not doing it again.

937
00:36:28,660 --> 00:36:29,700
It's not coming out again.

938
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:32,420
People like me, I mean, I can write simple poems, okay?

939
00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:34,100
I can sit down, but I've got to think it through

940
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:35,700
and I've got to write it down, you know?

941
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:36,580
Just like me.

942
00:36:36,580 --> 00:36:37,860
Yeah.

943
00:36:37,860 --> 00:36:39,460
It just can't be instantaneous.

944
00:36:39,460 --> 00:36:39,940
No, I can't.

945
00:36:39,940 --> 00:36:42,340
It just comes out like freaking instant noodles, man.

946
00:36:43,060 --> 00:36:43,940
I mean, it's like hot.

947
00:36:43,940 --> 00:36:44,740
What the fuck?

948
00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:48,820
I can do that for people, but I can't do that for the rapper.

949
00:36:48,820 --> 00:36:50,500
So the two of you are meant for each other, man.

950
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:51,860
In a sense, yes.

951
00:36:51,860 --> 00:36:52,340
Okay, so...

952
00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:56,740
But General Ling, in case, yes.

953
00:36:56,740 --> 00:36:57,940
I've got to get used to calling you that.

954
00:36:59,460 --> 00:37:01,380
You got yourself a school in psychology. Why?

955
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:02,900
Which one?

956
00:37:03,540 --> 00:37:03,860
I don't know.

957
00:37:03,860 --> 00:37:05,300
The diploma or the degree?

958
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:06,900
No, it should be the most recent one.

959
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:07,940
Let's talk about the degree.

960
00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:09,380
Starting into psychology,

961
00:37:09,380 --> 00:37:10,820
there must have been a motivation.

962
00:37:10,820 --> 00:37:11,540
Why?

963
00:37:11,540 --> 00:37:12,020
So I...

964
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:15,620
The first thing that I felt was...

965
00:37:16,580 --> 00:37:18,180
I think that was in secondary school

966
00:37:18,180 --> 00:37:21,300
and I read news where I think East Coast,

967
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:23,540
there was a slashing or something like that

968
00:37:23,540 --> 00:37:24,660
because of the gang fight.

969
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:25,620
Downtown East.

970
00:37:25,620 --> 00:37:26,740
A long time ago.

971
00:37:27,540 --> 00:37:29,380
And I felt that, you know,

972
00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:32,340
if there was actually someone to help the boy

973
00:37:32,340 --> 00:37:34,420
or, you know, the people involved, then maybe...

974
00:37:34,420 --> 00:37:35,220
You mean the assailants?

975
00:37:35,220 --> 00:37:36,500
No, as in to help...

976
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:38,500
The victim or the assailants?

977
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:41,620
I would say the whole situation in general,

978
00:37:41,620 --> 00:37:42,420
which, you know...

979
00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:44,020
I'm just being an idiot. Okay, okay.

980
00:37:44,820 --> 00:37:45,940
Which is like...

981
00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:49,220
That's when I sort of got interested in the counseling

982
00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:50,260
and I was just like, okay,

983
00:37:51,460 --> 00:37:53,700
if someone was actually there to give them a hand

984
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:55,700
and to sort of like maybe help them

985
00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:56,660
out of their troubles,

986
00:37:56,660 --> 00:37:58,660
maybe that wouldn't be the path that they chose to go.

987
00:37:58,660 --> 00:38:01,060
So this was a choice before you got into music

988
00:38:01,060 --> 00:38:02,260
or into beatboxing?

989
00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:03,780
That was in between.

990
00:38:03,780 --> 00:38:04,260
Yeah.

991
00:38:04,260 --> 00:38:08,260
Okay. So you were doing it for outside of any reason

992
00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:10,260
for your career currently?

993
00:38:11,220 --> 00:38:12,260
It was that because you had an interest?

994
00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:13,300
No, no, not yet. This is the start.

995
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:14,100
This is only the start.

996
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:16,100
Okay. Okay. Here we go.

997
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,100
Here we go. Sorry.

998
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:19,300
This is only the start.

999
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:21,300
And then, um...

1000
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:24,100
After that, I got into TP psychology.

1001
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:24,900
What's TP?

1002
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:25,700
Tumasic Poly.

1003
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:27,300
Okay, okay. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

1004
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:28,100
I'm not a toilet paper.

1005
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:30,100
This is me showing you my age. Yeah.

1006
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:32,100
So then it was...

1007
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:34,100
One part was what I wanted to do.

1008
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:38,100
And the other part was I decided to be funny

1009
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:42,100
because I scored quite good for my old levels.

1010
00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:44,100
I retained one year and then I scored good for my old levels.

1011
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:46,100
So you got eight points for your old levels.

1012
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:48,100
So everybody was wondering why you came to JC.

1013
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:50,100
That's after retaining one year.

1014
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:52,100
Hey, hey, hey. One year did you good, man.

1015
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:54,100
Eight freaking points, man. Come on.

1016
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:56,100
Yeah. So then, um...

1017
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:58,100
I saw like I could go to anything,

1018
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:00,100
including like the JCs.

1019
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:02,100
And I was just like, okay.

1020
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:04,100
Then I saw psychology and it was like eight points.

1021
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:06,100
And I was like, okay, let's go for that.

1022
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:08,100
Let's see if I can get like my first choice.

1023
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:10,100
That's really strange.

1024
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:12,100
What drove you to do that?

1025
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:16,100
I really have the prior like interest in psychology, you see.

1026
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:18,100
So it was really something that was in you

1027
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:20,100
before all this started.

1028
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:22,100
Yeah. I wanted to be a police when I grew up.

1029
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:24,100
Police officer.

1030
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:28,100
Like young grow up, I watch police cop shows too much.

1031
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:32,100
If I remember correctly, you said you wanted to be part of the CNB or the CID.

1032
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:34,100
Then you would have arrested him.

1033
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:36,100
Probably, yes.

1034
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:38,100
In an alternate universe, that could have happened.

1035
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:40,100
Yeah, probably.

1036
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:42,100
So fortunately for you,

1037
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:44,100
for you, she didn't become a cop.

1038
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:46,100
Unfortunately, I found rap.

1039
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:48,100
I did almost become a cop.

1040
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:50,100
Okay.

1041
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:52,100
I was in the volunteer corps while I was in the army.

1042
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:54,100
Oh, yeah. That's it.

1043
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:56,100
Hang on.

1044
00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:58,100
You were in the army.

1045
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:00,100
Yes. Yes.

1046
00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:02,100
You were in the military. You were a regular.

1047
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:04,100
Yes.

1048
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:06,100
Okay. Let's talk about that one.

1049
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:08,100
This is getting so topsy-fucking to me, man.

1050
00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:12,100
You're saying that, okay, you retained one year.

1051
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:14,100
You went for your O's again.

1052
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:16,100
You scored brilliantly.

1053
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:18,100
Had eight points.

1054
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:20,100
Went to Temasek Poly.

1055
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:22,100
Took a psychology diploma simply because

1056
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:24,100
you had this interest in it.

1057
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:26,100
And then you wanted to be a cop.

1058
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:28,100
But that didn't happen. In the end, you end up

1059
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:30,100
being in the military.

1060
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:32,100
Now, just summarize the whole damn thing.

1061
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:34,100
So tell me about the military.

1062
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:36,100
Why the hell did you

1063
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:38,100
end up in the SAF?

1064
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:40,100
Okay, so to join the whole cop

1065
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:42,100
and then the military

1066
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:44,100
story together, I went for the

1067
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:46,100
sort of like a sponsorship.

1068
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:48,100
A scholarship.

1069
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:50,100
Yeah, a sponsorship.

1070
00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:52,100
So you are like tied to them after you

1071
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:54,100
finish your studies kind of thing.

1072
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:56,100
Not really a scholarship.

1073
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:58,100
They call it a sponsorship.

1074
00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:00,100
That's another fucking word for it.

1075
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:02,100
But, but, but.

1076
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:04,100
So I went to the SPF one. It was quite daunting

1077
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:06,100
because the moment you opened the door, you were like

1078
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:08,100
in a conference table of 11 people staring at you.

1079
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:10,100
And you were like, what?

1080
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:12,100
16, 17?

1081
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:14,100
Okay, then when you went to the army, you wanted to

1082
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:16,100
go by one guy.

1083
00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:18,100
I think she told me it was one of-

1084
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:20,100
It was one guy in a small office.

1085
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:22,100
Really? Yeah, it was so different.

1086
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:24,100
So clever as ever.

1087
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:26,100
So it was

1088
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:28,100
funny because it was 11 people

1089
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:30,100
and they were like, at the point of time

1090
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:32,100
they were going to assess you to see like who wants

1091
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:34,100
you kind of thing. The different departments. I'm sure

1092
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:36,100
all the departments were there. And if I remember correctly, you

1093
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:38,100
said the prison system wanted you as a

1094
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:40,100
award. Correct, the prison service wanted me. Because of your

1095
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:42,100
psychology, right? Because you're taking psychology.

1096
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:44,100
You're beginning to scare me, you know.

1097
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:46,100
See, you see? Okay, alright.

1098
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:48,100
So

1099
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:50,100
so then

1100
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:52,100
because I rejected prison

1101
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:54,100
the prison service

1102
00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:56,100
and I was rejected for that

1103
00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:58,100
sponsorship.

1104
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:00,100
So I needed to find a way

1105
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:02,100
to fund my studies. So then I decided to

1106
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:04,100
try for the SAF. Right. So then

1107
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:06,100
SAF, after that, they

1108
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:08,100
started throwing all these terms at me as

1109
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:10,100
a young 16,

1110
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:12,100
17 person. I'm just like, huh?

1111
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:14,100
Artillery, armour,

1112
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:16,100
all these things. I was like, can you just put me somewhere

1113
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:18,100
that is relevant for my course of study?

1114
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:20,100
Yeah, beatbox.

1115
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:22,100
That sounds like

1116
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:24,100
RT.

1117
00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:26,100
So

1118
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:28,100
so, guess why they

1119
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:30,100
threw me? Military intelligence.

1120
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:32,100
Oh god, she's really

1121
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:34,100
scaring me, man.

1122
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:36,100
You should ask how many languages

1123
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:38,100
he actually speaks. Oh boy.

1124
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:40,100
Here I have one guy

1125
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:42,100
telling me all the while he used the word

1126
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:44,100
delinquent how many times. And then

1127
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:46,100
I have this one. That's what I was.

1128
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:48,100
I'm a big cop, I'm in prison

1129
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:50,100
service, and I end up in military intelligence.

1130
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:52,100
This is what I mean by beauty and the beast.

1131
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:54,100
We are literally

1132
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:56,100
opposite. It's insane.

1133
00:42:56,100 --> 00:43:00,100
Okay, so we end up in, I don't want to know.

1134
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:04,100
Should I ask? They ask? No. Either S.I.B., M.S.D. or something like that.

1135
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:06,100
We don't exist, but...

1136
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:08,100
Okay, this is getting even worse, man.

1137
00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:12,100
You might want to edit that out later.

1138
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:14,100
I don't believe this shit, man.

1139
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:16,100
I've got a beatboxer who competed

1140
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:18,100
for Singapore, and she's teaching

1141
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:20,100
beatboxing, you know?

1142
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:22,100
And my god, she asked.

1143
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,100
She was

1144
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:26,100
in something that nobody would ever

1145
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:28,100
freaking dream

1146
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:30,100
that you

1147
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:32,100
in whatever you're doing

1148
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:34,100
in the SAF coming

1149
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:36,100
out to be a beatboxer.

1150
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:38,100
Oh, no, definitely not. So when I

1151
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:40,100
told people that I wanted to leave, they were

1152
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:42,100
pretty appalled.

1153
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:44,100
They were like, what about your CPF?

1154
00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:48,100
Hahahaha!

1155
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:50,100
Well,

1156
00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:52,100
we can't approve them wrong on that one, anyway.

1157
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:54,100
I mean, we bought a house.

1158
00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:56,100
Oh, boy.

1159
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:58,100
So how long were you

1160
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:00,100
with these guys? I was actually supposed

1161
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:02,100
to serve four years with them.

1162
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,100
But then I left

1163
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:06,100
after three years of medical condition.

1164
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:08,100
Okay, okay, okay.

1165
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:10,100
And it wasn't faking. It was

1166
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:12,100
a mental

1167
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:14,100
torture for me because as a

1168
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:16,100
musician and a creative

1169
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:18,100
in a space

1170
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:20,100
where it's regimental, it was quite hard

1171
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:22,100
for me to express myself. Yeah, because your right brain, your left brain

1172
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:24,100
would be at odds, right? And it is always at odds

1173
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:26,100
with each other, so I was quite miserable.

1174
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:28,100
I know how that feels, man.

1175
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:30,100
See, look at me, man. That's the reason why I'm

1176
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:32,100
a nutcase. Okay, so

1177
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:34,100
Hahahaha!

1178
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:36,100
I'll be quiet right over here. Hahahaha!

1179
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:38,100
So,

1180
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:40,100
okay, so you were at odds,

1181
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:42,100
and it

1182
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:44,100
impacted you. I had somatic

1183
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:46,100
symptoms. Like, it was really, really bad.

1184
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:48,100
It's to the point whereby

1185
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:50,100
I had to see a psychologist and everything.

1186
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:52,100
And you having had

1187
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:54,100
a diploma and eventually a degree

1188
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:56,100
in psychology. Yes. I was so

1189
00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:58,100
embarrassed because I'm someone with a diploma

1190
00:44:58,100 --> 00:45:00,100
in psychology, and then I'm like facing

1191
00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:02,100
a psychology problem

1192
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:04,100
and it's somatic. I was like, oh no.

1193
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:06,100
You know, like what am I supposed to do?

1194
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:08,100
So, it took quite

1195
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:10,100
a lot of resolve and I was

1196
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:12,100
just like, okay, I gotta

1197
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:14,100
leave. Like, I have to leave because I

1198
00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:16,100
can feel it that it is not

1199
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:18,100
somewhere that I can be.

1200
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:20,100
For maybe the people who

1201
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:22,100
really see it as a long term

1202
00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:24,100
career for 55, it's a great

1203
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:26,100
place to be. But for me,

1204
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:28,100
I was the sort who,

1205
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:30,100
you can see from my whole life story how

1206
00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:32,100
many things I did, right? So, I'm not

1207
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:34,100
the person who just do one thing.

1208
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:36,100
Yeah. Be mindful

1209
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:38,100
when she was still in the army,

1210
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:40,100
we already started the school.

1211
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:42,100
So, she was arranging time

1212
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:44,100
for me to go and teach, and I have to

1213
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:46,100
arrange time as well. So basically,

1214
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:48,100
she can't sit still. Yeah.

1215
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:50,100
That's why I call it a monkey. You know like how a monkey

1216
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:52,100
runs around, climbs a tree. Okay, I am

1217
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:54,100
born in the year of a monkey. Okay,

1218
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:56,100
that explains it too.

1219
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:58,100
But, yes, I

1220
00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:00,100
tend to do a lot of stuff, and

1221
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:02,100
it's not that I needed to prove anything.

1222
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:04,100
It's just my interest and

1223
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:06,100
my heart will immediately just go, okay,

1224
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:08,100
let's try this. Okay, let's try that. Let's try this.

1225
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:10,100
Let's try this. To the point where by like, if I

1226
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:12,100
want to try something new, I'll be like, okay,

1227
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:14,100
I think I can take this on, and then we'll make sure like, I don't

1228
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:16,100
feel maybe like, four? Was it?

1229
00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:18,100
Three, woman. Three.

1230
00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:20,100
How do your folks respectively feel about

1231
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:22,100
what you guys are doing now? Well, my mom,

1232
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:24,100
I mean, she grew up with my uncle and my aunt,

1233
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:26,100
right? So, in a sense,

1234
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:28,100
and she's

1235
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:30,100
supportive a bit, you know? As long as

1236
00:46:30,100 --> 00:46:32,100
I'm fed, and I'm

1237
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:34,100
happy, and I'm not homeless,

1238
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:36,100
and I'm not hungry, she's okay with that.

1239
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:38,100
How about you?

1240
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:40,100
I thought so.

1241
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:42,100
It took

1242
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:44,100
really a while.

1243
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:46,100
I think my mom

1244
00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:48,100
for a while, her favorite line was,

1245
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:50,100
got money or not?

1246
00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:52,100
I mean, both of our parents will say the same thing,

1247
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:54,100
same line. Which I understand is her

1248
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:56,100
concern, and you know, she

1249
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:58,100
worries for me, and like, sometimes,

1250
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:00,100
with the amount of things I'm doing, it looks like

1251
00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:02,100
I'm not holding a stable job kind of thing, you know?

1252
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:04,100
I'm just like, floating around.

1253
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:06,100
Yeah. But,

1254
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:08,100
I think the recent

1255
00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:10,100
shift when I was featured

1256
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:12,100
in Channel 8,

1257
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:14,100
and I saw myself on TV, that moment,

1258
00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:16,100
I think that's

1259
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:18,100
when she really accepted that I was doing

1260
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:20,100
something that was

1261
00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:22,100
making a difference. And

1262
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:24,100
now she understands

1263
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:26,100
we are much, much more closer.

1264
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:28,100
You know, we are able to communicate on things,

1265
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:30,100
I can share with her, like, hey, you know,

1266
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:32,100
like, this is my song, what do you think of it?

1267
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:34,100
You know, oh, look, this are my students,

1268
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:36,100
and all that. But before that, it was

1269
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:38,100
kind of hard for us to communicate

1270
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:40,100
when she was still in the space of

1271
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:42,100
what are you doing with your

1272
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:44,100
life? It's a matter of whether they

1273
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:46,100
understand what you're doing, they've got to see

1274
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:48,100
it. Yes.

1275
00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:50,100
So thankfully, because of the

1276
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:52,100
Channel 8 feature, and all the features I'm

1277
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:54,100
getting, including yours,

1278
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:56,100
you know, I get to tell my story.

1279
00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:58,100
What was that?

1280
00:47:58,100 --> 00:48:00,100
But what was that?

1281
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:02,100
Including my...

1282
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:04,100
Yes, every feature, every

1283
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:06,100
platform to tell my story, I'm very thankful

1284
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:08,100
because then it helps.

1285
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:10,100
I'm just being an idiot again.

1286
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:12,100
Thank you so much for also saying

1287
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:14,100
that. It helps

1288
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:16,100
to sort of, you know, people understand the origin

1289
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:18,100
and the background story. How are you now?

1290
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:20,100
I'm good. Are you better? Yeah.

1291
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:22,100
Happy? Yes. Happy space?

1292
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:24,100
Yes, I'm in a happy space. Okay, that's all we want to

1293
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:26,100
know. And I don't want to pry anymore,

1294
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:28,100
you know? But thank you for sharing this story.

1295
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:30,100
We're actually in a very good space.

1296
00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:32,100
I just bought her, I surprised her

1297
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:34,100
I think a month ago?

1298
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:36,100
Less than a month ago.

1299
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:38,100
I bought her like

1300
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:40,100
tickets for the musical ABBA.

1301
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:42,100
Whoa, awesome! Yeah, and she was

1302
00:48:42,100 --> 00:48:44,100
surprised. By the way, young lady, it is

1303
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:46,100
ABBA. ABBA. Oh, for God's sake.

1304
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:50,100
ZZ.

1305
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:52,100
I'm not that old. Before my time though.

1306
00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:54,100
I'm only two years older than her and I speak like

1307
00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:56,100
you're talking about.

1308
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:58,100
Your influences at home is different?

1309
00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:00,100
I mean, yeah.

1310
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:02,100
That's true. You're right about that.

1311
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:04,100
You said on

1312
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:06,100
on channel 8, right? Yes.

1313
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:08,100
I think there's something even bigger. I'm sorry, I'm

1314
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:10,100
going to say this. Fuck that. You know, channel 8.

1315
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:12,100
Something even bigger,

1316
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:14,100
man.

1317
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:16,100
I give a fuck.

1318
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:18,100
So, you know,

1319
00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:20,100
one of your Mandarin rap singles

1320
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:22,100
was played on Netflix, man.

1321
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:24,100
On Netflix TV series,

1322
00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:26,100
Snowpiercer for crying out fucking

1323
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:28,100
loud. Yeah.

1324
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:30,100
And I watched that show

1325
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:32,100
and

1326
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:34,100
it's you.

1327
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:36,100
Well, there are many, many tracks in

1328
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:38,100
Snowpiercer. Yeah, I know, but you

1329
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:40,100
Yeah, but fuck that. I mean, come on. It's on fucking

1330
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:42,100
Netflix, man. Yes.

1331
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:44,100
You know, fuck channel 8. I mean, that was on

1332
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:46,100
fucking Netflix.

1333
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:48,100
That's true. That is very true.

1334
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:50,100
One of the biggest shows too, isn't it?

1335
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:52,100
Yeah, to me, that's something.

1336
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:54,100
Even if it's just one of the mini

1337
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:56,100
soundtracks, it doesn't matter. It was Netflix.

1338
00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:58,100
Yes. You know,

1339
00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:00,100
it's like Young

1340
00:50:00,100 --> 00:50:02,100
Raja was rejoicing when

1341
00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:04,100
Jimmy Fallon played his

1342
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:06,100
song and actually made fun of it.

1343
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:08,100
Oh, wow. On his show.

1344
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:10,100
Interesting. And

1345
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:12,100
he tweeted Jimmy

1346
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:14,100
Fallon. But to me,

1347
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:16,100
that's a win. Yes. Yeah, it is.

1348
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:18,100
That's a win, you know. So what the hell, man?

1349
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:20,100
Now, I'm a bit confused.

1350
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:22,100
I saw this as I was researching.

1351
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:24,100
What is New

1352
00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:26,100
Sentara Records?

1353
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:28,100
Oh, that was actually a record

1354
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:30,100
label that me and

1355
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:32,100
Elaine with another rapper,

1356
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:34,100
I mean, I rather

1357
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:36,100
not say the name. We

1358
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:38,100
founded that together. So

1359
00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:40,100
it was your label? It was.

1360
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:42,100
Oh, so it's Past Sense? Yeah,

1361
00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:44,100
Past Sense. We left that.

1362
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:46,100
We left the record label.

1363
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:48,100
Okay. Yeah. Right.

1364
00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:50,100
And how long did the

1365
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:52,100
label go on for? Well, it's

1366
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:54,100
still around. Three years. It's still around.

1367
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:56,100
Oh, it's still around.

1368
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:58,100
It's run by the other person that you would not say.

1369
00:50:58,100 --> 00:51:00,100
Correct. Right, right. Well,

1370
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:02,100
I don't know whether Elaine wants to say it. I would

1371
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:04,100
say it

1372
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:06,100
was an unfortunate situation that

1373
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:08,100
happened that caused everything

1374
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:10,100
to break down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1375
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:12,100
Usual political shit. No. Oh!

1376
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:14,100
It was my incident in

1377
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:16,100
November 2019 that inspired me

1378
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:18,100
to go for my degree in psychology.

1379
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:22,100
You researched that one?

1380
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:26,100
Where you have to say that? Do you want to talk about

1381
00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:28,100
the incident?

1382
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:30,100
Well, I would

1383
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:32,100
say I have spoken about the incident.

1384
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:34,100
Okay. Oh, yeah.

1385
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:36,100
I was on a consult on tour.

1386
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:38,100
Okay. I shot a 28-minute video

1387
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:40,100
to call out the predator

1388
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:42,100
as well. By name too.

1389
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:44,100
Yeah. On YouTube.

1390
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:46,100
The thing about it that I

1391
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:48,100
feel is

1392
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:50,100
it wasn't a situation

1393
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:52,100
that anybody should be put in.

1394
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:54,100
It was pretty

1395
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:56,100
concerning for me when during

1396
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:58,100
COVID, I pivoted to a transcriber.

1397
00:51:58,100 --> 00:52:00,100
Okay. And

1398
00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:02,100
I was transcribing police cases.

1399
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:04,100
Okay.

1400
00:52:04,100 --> 00:52:06,100
In Singapore. So I do know

1401
00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:08,100
of some of the cases that has happened.

1402
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:10,100
And it is something that

1403
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:12,100
affects people

1404
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:14,100
and is silent. Okay.

1405
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:16,100
Yeah, it does.

1406
00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:18,100
So then that's when

1407
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:20,100
I decided to go back into

1408
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:22,100
psychology. First, to understand my own traumatized

1409
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:24,100
experience and the

1410
00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:26,100
triggers and how to work on it.

1411
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:28,100
And then also criminology to understand

1412
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:30,100
why people would do something like that.

1413
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:32,100
Okay. This girl is serious, man.

1414
00:52:32,100 --> 00:52:34,100
Okay. Yes, she is. Yep.

1415
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:36,100
And now

1416
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:38,100
I am sort of just using

1417
00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:40,100
my platform, my music

1418
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:42,100
to help people

1419
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:44,100
sort of to find

1420
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:46,100
themselves, like how I was

1421
00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:48,100
lost at a point in time after the incident.

1422
00:52:48,100 --> 00:52:50,100
Okay. Yeah.

1423
00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:52,100
So it was an unfortunate

1424
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:54,100
situation that happened and nobody should be put in there.

1425
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:56,100
But that is what caused the downfall

1426
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:58,100
of, you know, why we're no longer part

1427
00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:00,100
of Nusantara Records. Okay.

1428
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:02,100
For the record though, it was

1429
00:53:02,100 --> 00:53:04,100
not the partner that did

1430
00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:06,100
the assault. Right.

1431
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:08,100
It was an artist that

1432
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:10,100
was invited by Nusantara Records

1433
00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:12,100
to go on tour. Yep. Right.

1434
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:14,100
That unfortunately. Right.

1435
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:16,100
Wow.

1436
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:18,100
Yeah. Okay.

1437
00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:20,100
I'm gonna move on.

1438
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:22,100
We go from one end to the other end.

1439
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:24,100
So a lot of people have said that

1440
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:26,100
my story can literally write a

1441
00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:28,100
Korean drama out of it. Yeah.

1442
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:30,100
Someone so young.

1443
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:32,100
Wait, is that the case? Can I get like G-Dragon

1444
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:34,100
to be me if you're making a

1445
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:36,100
Korean drama? No.

1446
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:38,100
Like put a fat suit on him or something.

1447
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:40,100
Wait, you see this is where I'm lost. Who the hell

1448
00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:42,100
is G-Dragon? It's like a rapper from Korea

1449
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:44,100
or something. Oh, okay. But very muscular.

1450
00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:46,100
I'm really not into this thing. No, but you know, it was

1451
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:48,100
interesting because people were telling me like

1452
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:50,100
your story is totally like a

1453
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:52,100
drama. But yeah, I'm living in on a day-to-day

1454
00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:54,100
basis. Yeah. Nah, nah. Not today, right?

1455
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:56,100
No. Nah, nah. Come on. You're in a happy

1456
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:58,100
space now. Yes. It's part of my

1457
00:53:58,100 --> 00:54:00,100
journey as well. Right.

1458
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:02,100
You recently released a Chinese hip hop

1459
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:04,100
single. Yes. On Spotify. Tell us

1460
00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:06,100
about it. So

1461
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:08,100
Forget It or Ba Le, it was

1462
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:10,100
a song that I wrote

1463
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:12,100
when I was in one of that

1464
00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:14,100
downtime, that down period. Yeah.

1465
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:16,100
And

1466
00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:18,100
it was like there were so many voices

1467
00:54:18,100 --> 00:54:20,100
that were telling you what to do,

1468
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:22,100
what you should do, your own voice,

1469
00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:24,100
people's voices, and you just wanted

1470
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:26,100
them to shut the fuck up. And

1471
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:28,100
let me think. Yes.

1472
00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:30,100
Let me think. Let me breathe.

1473
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:32,100
I like how Chris said it. Shut the

1474
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:34,100
fuck up and then she says let me

1475
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:36,100
That's exactly how it should be.

1476
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:38,100
Yes. So technically why

1477
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:40,100
I use the word Ba Le.

1478
00:54:40,100 --> 00:54:42,100
It was supposed to mean fuck it, but

1479
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:44,100
I just turned it into a nicer word. Was it fuck it or fuck off?

1480
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:46,100
What the hell? Just put

1481
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:48,100
fuck it. Why? Because it's Chinese.

1482
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:50,100
Yeah. I mean there's no fuck.

1483
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:52,100
Ba Le, but you can loosely translate

1484
00:54:52,100 --> 00:54:54,100
that. Ba Le, which is the title.

1485
00:54:54,100 --> 00:54:56,100
So later on I realized

1486
00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:58,100
as I speak to my

1487
00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:00,100
friends, they're like it's a very Malaysian word.

1488
00:55:00,100 --> 00:55:02,100
It is? Ba Le is a very Malaysian word.

1489
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:04,100
That's why I'm trying to figure it out because it's something I don't

1490
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:06,100
recognize. I mean not that my Mandarin is so damn

1491
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:08,100
good, but you know. But

1492
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:10,100
it's something that's really alien to me. It is

1493
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:12,100
Malaysian. I only realized

1494
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:14,100
that after some of my

1495
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:16,100
friends played it, and then when the radio

1496
00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:18,100
was like, oh it's

1497
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:20,100
a very Malaysian way that it was

1498
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:22,100
written. I was like that's very interesting because

1499
00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:24,100
I'm Singaporean, but I do stay in Malaysia.

1500
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:26,100
So maybe the influences actually rubbed off.

1501
00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:28,100
Actually to be honest, when I

1502
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:30,100
heard, I was listening to your single,

1503
00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:32,100
and I was listening to the enunciation

1504
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:34,100
of the Mandarin words, right?

1505
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:36,100
And really, it sounded

1506
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:38,100
more Malaysian.

1507
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:40,100
The whole intonation, the whole

1508
00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:42,100
it was sounding

1509
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:44,100
more Malaysian to me than it is, you know,

1510
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:46,100
Singaporean.

1511
00:55:46,100 --> 00:55:48,100
Maybe that's the reason why.

1512
00:55:48,100 --> 00:55:50,100
No, not really, you know. I really felt

1513
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:52,100
more Malaysian. That's the reason

1514
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:54,100
why I said to you privately, right? I said

1515
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:56,100
you should add in some Singlish in there.

1516
00:55:56,100 --> 00:55:58,100
Maybe in the next few.

1517
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:00,100
The Hokkien was supposed to be the

1518
00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:02,100
Singlish part.

1519
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:04,100
No, no, no. Dr.

1520
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:06,100
Greeley Swee, if you're watching the show, you're going

1521
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:08,100
to disagree that wholesale.

1522
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:10,100
Because you said there is such a thing called

1523
00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:12,100
good Singlish and bad Singlish.

1524
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:14,100
That's what he's going to say. Oh, interesting.

1525
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:16,100
I came from a family that doesn't even

1526
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:18,100
speak Singlish, so I do not know.

1527
00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:20,100
I come from a family, no. Really?

1528
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:22,100
What the fuck? I come from

1529
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:24,100
a theatre family. No, no, no. His family doesn't

1530
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:26,100
speak. Yeah, majority of my family don't

1531
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:28,100
even speak Singlish.

1532
00:56:28,100 --> 00:56:30,100
Get out the front door, man. Like half the time when I was

1533
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:32,100
younger, watching Pua Chu Kang, I couldn't understand

1534
00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:34,100
whatever he was saying. To me, to me, to me,

1535
00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:36,100
that is who we are, you know.

1536
00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:38,100
I really don't give a shit what anyone has to say

1537
00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:40,100
about that. I mean, I guess. Yeah, I

1538
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:42,100
really think that's who we are. So tell us more about

1539
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:44,100
this, Pa Le. So it's fuck it.

1540
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:46,100
Yeah. And you spent the downtime

1541
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:48,100
writing that song and you released

1542
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:50,100
it recently. Yep. So it was,

1543
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:52,100
it's a song about finding strength.

1544
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:54,100
Where the whole entire

1545
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:56,100
idea is just let me

1546
00:56:56,100 --> 00:56:58,100
sort of, just let me be

1547
00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:00,100
myself, let me walk my own path.

1548
00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:02,100
And trusting in myself to walk

1549
00:57:02,100 --> 00:57:04,100
that path. And to also

1550
00:57:04,100 --> 00:57:06,100
say like, Pa Le,

1551
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:08,100
to the inner negativity

1552
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:10,100
gremlin. So it's your accumulation

1553
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:12,100
of negativity.

1554
00:57:12,100 --> 00:57:14,100
And to say, you know, just

1555
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:16,100
keep quiet. Just keep quiet. You're not telling

1556
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:18,100
like, because we have our outside

1557
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:20,100
voices where people tell us. We have our own

1558
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:22,100
inner voice as well, which is usually

1559
00:57:22,100 --> 00:57:24,100
the most detrimental one.

1560
00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:26,100
So

1561
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:28,100
it's that voice that you want

1562
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:30,100
to keep quiet and

1563
00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:32,100
shut up. Just like, stop telling

1564
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:34,100
me what, you know, you think

1565
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:36,100
is dumb. It's almost like a fight between

1566
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:38,100
like, your self

1567
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:40,100
and the inner self. I know what you mean, man.

1568
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:42,100
Because sometimes when my brain tells me

1569
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:44,100
stupid shit, I have to slap this side.

1570
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:46,100
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1571
00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:48,100
Today if I want to come up with ideas, I'm going to smack

1572
00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:50,100
my right side of my head.

1573
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:52,100
For me, I just make it into a personality

1574
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:54,100
and rap using that voice. But you

1575
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:56,100
got rap. See, I don't. See, I just got to

1576
00:57:56,100 --> 00:57:58,100
do that.

1577
00:57:58,100 --> 00:58:00,100
So that is

1578
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:02,100
the

1579
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:04,100
idea behind

1580
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:06,100
Pa Le. Okay. And it was interesting

1581
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:08,100
because my listeners are

1582
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:10,100
from the States. Poland as well,

1583
00:58:10,100 --> 00:58:12,100
right? Yeah. Greece.

1584
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:14,100
For the first

1585
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:16,100
week that they came out. I was so confused.

1586
00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:18,100
We were surprised.

1587
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:20,100
We were surprised because she told

1588
00:58:20,100 --> 00:58:22,100
her, oh, my analytics says that

1589
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:24,100
majority of my listeners is from Poland.

1590
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:26,100
No, but you know something, music is

1591
00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:28,100
a universal language, regardless of

1592
00:58:28,100 --> 00:58:30,100
you know, we can sit down and listen to an African

1593
00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:32,100
beat with, you know,

1594
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:34,100
people singing in Afrikaan or Swahili,

1595
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:36,100
right? And if the beat's there,

1596
00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:38,100
you would still like it. It's like world music,

1597
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:40,100
man. It is about music.

1598
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:42,100
And I'm so glad, as a matter of fact, I'm quite heartened

1599
00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:44,100
to hear you guys say that because

1600
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:46,100
in

1601
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:48,100
Singapore, right, we all become numbnuts.

1602
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:52,100
I mean, yeah.

1603
00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:54,100
It is true. I mean, I can't deny that.

1604
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:56,100
We will have people, more

1605
00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:58,100
people from everywhere else around the

1606
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:00,100
fucking planet that's going to appreciate

1607
00:59:00,100 --> 00:59:02,100
our shit more than our own people.

1608
00:59:02,100 --> 00:59:04,100
Yes. You agree or disagree?

1609
00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:06,100
Yes. My Singapore

1610
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:08,100
listeners were like four, number

1611
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:10,100
four. Yeah, you go numbnuts.

1612
00:59:10,100 --> 00:59:12,100
That's a numbnut number.

1613
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:14,100
Four, four, it's a numbnut number.

1614
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:16,100
Yeah, right.

1615
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:18,100
Yeah, fuck that. I mean,

1616
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:20,100
I've given up, man. I've been like, what the fuck?

1617
00:59:20,100 --> 00:59:22,100
You know? Like when we got

1618
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:24,100
good shit going, nobody gives a shit.

1619
00:59:24,100 --> 00:59:26,100
You not only want to freeload that shit.

1620
00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:28,100
Well, I mean, it's,

1621
00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:30,100
it is unfortunate, but

1622
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:32,100
I have had like, I mean,

1623
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:34,100
even my own experience trying

1624
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:36,100
to do music, right, and how it was

1625
00:59:36,100 --> 00:59:38,100
perceived, like it's going to be the

1626
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:40,100
average perspective,

1627
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:42,100
but I do see like the younger ones are slowly shifting.

1628
00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:44,100
I really hope so, man. Give me some

1629
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:46,100
hope, please.

1630
00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:48,100
Even when sort of like

1631
00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:50,100
I have the younger

1632
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:52,100
kids that I'm teaching and then I speak to

1633
00:59:52,100 --> 00:59:54,100
their parents, you can see that they are much more

1634
00:59:54,100 --> 00:59:56,100
accepting of the music.

1635
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:58,100
Really? Yeah, they are. Yeah, they are.

1636
00:59:58,100 --> 01:00:00,100
I'm glad to hear that, man. Because then they will invest on their

1637
01:00:00,100 --> 01:00:02,100
kids with beatboxing

1638
01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:04,100
and I'm not charging a very like

1639
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:06,100
cheap CC, community center

1640
01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:08,100
rate. No, you shouldn't. It's the market rate.

1641
01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:10,100
It's right on the market rate.

1642
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:12,100
You should not be charging like, you know, anything.

1643
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:14,100
But you know, if they were willing to pay for it,

1644
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:16,100
I sort of already have my audience filtered in a sense,

1645
01:00:16,100 --> 01:00:18,100
because then they will naturally

1646
01:00:18,100 --> 01:00:20,100
know that what we stand for and what

1647
01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:22,100
you're paying for in terms of value. Right.

1648
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:24,100
And they appreciate music.

1649
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:26,100
Great. I'm glad. As a matter of fact,

1650
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:28,100
I'm so glad I can grow old and

1651
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:30,100
end up in a senior citizens home or something and still

1652
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:32,100
have, you know, and see this happening.

1653
01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:34,100
Okay, so...

1654
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:36,100
I don't know where the fuck that came from,

1655
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:38,100
but never mind.

1656
01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:40,100
It was just my

1657
01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:42,100
mind. I was just going to verbal

1658
01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:44,100
You're freestyling right there. You're freestyling right there.

1659
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:46,100
You are fucking contagious.

1660
01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:48,100
No.

1661
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:50,100
Z-Loco guy is not that bad.

1662
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:52,100
Yeah, man. Z-Loco

1663
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:54,100
and General Ling,

1664
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:56,100
if your lives were a soundtrack,

1665
01:00:56,100 --> 01:00:58,100
what would be the title?

1666
01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:00,100
Actually,

1667
01:01:00,100 --> 01:01:02,100
Elite has a soundtrack.

1668
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:04,100
No, no, no, no.

1669
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:06,100
Your lives were a soundtrack.

1670
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:08,100
What would the title

1671
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:10,100
be?

1672
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:12,100
That's what I meant.

1673
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:14,100
There is a song called General Ling that she's a part of.

1674
01:01:14,100 --> 01:01:16,100
Yeah, but it's

1675
01:01:16,100 --> 01:01:18,100
both of you. Not just her. Both of us.

1676
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:20,100
If it's us. Together.

1677
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:22,100
What would the title be? Well, there's one song

1678
01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:24,100
from Taiwan that I...

1679
01:01:24,100 --> 01:01:26,100
It emphasizes

1680
01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:28,100
everything of how we went through

1681
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:30,100
our lives. It's called Life of Struggle.

1682
01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:32,100
Oh, yes.

1683
01:01:32,100 --> 01:01:34,100
That is that soundtrack for us.

1684
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:36,100
Life of Struggle.

1685
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:38,100
Really?

1686
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:40,100
It was talking about the various

1687
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:42,100
stories that he had to go through, but

1688
01:01:42,100 --> 01:01:44,100
the chorus is Life of Struggle.

1689
01:01:44,100 --> 01:01:46,100
日子還要過 平常喜怒 哀樂之後

1690
01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:48,100
去著數不盡的 troubles everyday

1691
01:01:48,100 --> 01:01:50,100
有多少問題要去面對 有多少夜

1692
01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:52,100
要找到自己的命運

1693
01:01:52,100 --> 01:01:54,100
為了我的好處

1694
01:01:54,100 --> 01:01:56,100
明白 明白

1695
01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:58,100
英文,請

1696
01:01:58,100 --> 01:02:00,100
So basically, it's like

1697
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:02,100
you're so tormented by

1698
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:04,100
life, but then the life still

1699
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:06,100
moves on.

1700
01:02:06,100 --> 01:02:08,100
That's the true...

1701
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:10,100
Sometimes you can't sleep, sometimes you worry, sometimes you're

1702
01:02:10,100 --> 01:02:12,100
happy, you know, all these things.

1703
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:14,100
But life moves on.

1704
01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:16,100
But you know what, man, I mean, it's all our lives, you know.

1705
01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:18,100
For me, if personally you ask me

1706
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:20,100
what my soundtrack is, given the fact that it's

1707
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:22,100
very close to a Korean drama.

1708
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:32,100
I would imagine that whole soundtrack to have

1709
01:02:32,100 --> 01:02:34,100
so many experimental

1710
01:02:34,100 --> 01:02:36,100
type of things, because you can see

1711
01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:38,100
there's no rhyme or reason to what I'm doing.

1712
01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:40,100
Exactly.

1713
01:02:40,100 --> 01:02:42,100
Come on, guys.

1714
01:02:42,100 --> 01:02:44,100
Even with me, you know what

1715
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:46,100
title I'll give you guys?

1716
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:48,100
Me and my kimchi.

1717
01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:54,100
Me and my kimchi!

1718
01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:58,100
Just to end of the show, before we end of the show,

1719
01:02:58,100 --> 01:03:00,100
just one last final question.

1720
01:03:00,100 --> 01:03:02,100
Any plans in the offering

1721
01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:04,100
for both ZLOCO

1722
01:03:04,100 --> 01:03:06,100
and generally?

1723
01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:08,100
ZLOCO's gonna be releasing a track.

1724
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:10,100
You will hear his four

1725
01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:12,100
personalities, which

1726
01:03:12,100 --> 01:03:14,100
the producer basically went like

1727
01:03:14,100 --> 01:03:16,100
Each time, each take,

1728
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:18,100
I take, you give me different style.

1729
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:20,100
Big up to Gazbaz, Bob.

1730
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:24,100
So for me,

1731
01:03:24,100 --> 01:03:26,100
one of the reasons why

1732
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:28,100
Ramon Cedelo big up to him,

1733
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:30,100
why he called me

1734
01:03:30,100 --> 01:03:32,100
ZLOCO is because again, I have multiple

1735
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:34,100
personalities. I don't know where that comes from.

1736
01:03:34,100 --> 01:03:36,100
I just have this weird thing that goes on. Maybe it's

1737
01:03:36,100 --> 01:03:38,100
my theatre side, I don't know.

1738
01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:40,100
So I have multiple different voices

1739
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:42,100
that I use for different things.

1740
01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:44,100
For different flows,

1741
01:03:44,100 --> 01:03:46,100
for different styles

1742
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:48,100
of rapping and everything else.

1743
01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:50,100
I just give them each individual

1744
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:52,100
names and I put it in the track. So within

1745
01:03:52,100 --> 01:03:54,100
one verse, I'm

1746
01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:56,100
changing from four different

1747
01:03:56,100 --> 01:03:58,100
types of voices and four different styles

1748
01:03:58,100 --> 01:04:00,100
of rapping. Now you know why you're called ZLOCO.

1749
01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:02,100
Yes.

1750
01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:06,100
Okay guys. Meanwhile,

1751
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:08,100
then for me,

1752
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:10,100
based on our conversation, you can tell that

1753
01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:12,100
every time I'm talking about one thing, I'm thinking about

1754
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:14,100
something else.

1755
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:16,100
So the release,

1756
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:18,100
I will have a few songs coming out as well,

1757
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:20,100
but the whole thing is going to

1758
01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:22,100
slowly piece together like a puzzle.

1759
01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:24,100
She's actually going to re-release the

1760
01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:26,100
song that's in Netflix.

1761
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:28,100
A newer version of that.

1762
01:04:28,100 --> 01:04:30,100
For the masses.

1763
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:32,100
In Chinese?

1764
01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:34,100
We might be a mixed language.

1765
01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:36,100
Ah, thank goodness.

1766
01:04:36,100 --> 01:04:38,100
Sing for people like me,

1767
01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:40,100
I'm bloody gruggle.

1768
01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:42,100
I know a lot of people basically told me when they heard

1769
01:04:42,100 --> 01:04:44,100
my song, it's like, okay, now do an English one.

1770
01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:46,100
Yeah.

1771
01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:48,100
So, yeah.

1772
01:04:48,100 --> 01:04:50,100
I will work on that.

1773
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:52,100
There is a track that maybe

1774
01:04:52,100 --> 01:04:54,100
next year is going to come out.

1775
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:56,100
We're working on a Lo-Fi track.

1776
01:04:56,100 --> 01:04:58,100
English and

1777
01:04:58,100 --> 01:05:00,100
Mandarin. A Lo-Fi track

1778
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:02,100
as well, just between the two of us.

1779
01:05:02,100 --> 01:05:04,100
Just to

1780
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:06,100
do a little bit more.

1781
01:05:06,100 --> 01:05:08,100
That's another one that's coming out.

1782
01:05:08,100 --> 01:05:10,100
Okay guys, I just wish you all the best.

1783
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:12,100
For all the players you've got.

1784
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:14,100
It's driving me up the wall

1785
01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:16,100
because you guys got so much going on,

1786
01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:18,100
which is great. You're one to say.

1787
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:20,100
You literally have a lot going on.

1788
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:22,100
I just stick my

1789
01:05:22,100 --> 01:05:24,100
ass down in this seat all the time.

1790
01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:26,100
I'm quite happy doing what I do.

1791
01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:28,100
To end the show, it's

1792
01:05:28,100 --> 01:05:30,100
Christmas time, people.

1793
01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:32,100
It's Christmas season and it's the most

1794
01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:34,100
beautiful time, the most wonderful

1795
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:36,100
time of the year.

1796
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:38,100
And now that I have the both of you

1797
01:05:38,100 --> 01:05:40,100
here on the show, we're going

1798
01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:42,100
to do a little Christmas song,

1799
01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:44,100
can? Yeah, I'm done.

1800
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:46,100
To end the show, ladies and gentlemen,

1801
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:48,100
people who are watching this, CHC,

1802
01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:50,100
we're going to do this little

1803
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:52,100
song just for you for

1804
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:54,100
the Christmas season.

1805
01:05:54,100 --> 01:05:56,100
On a side note,

1806
01:05:56,100 --> 01:05:58,100
a couple more episodes to go

1807
01:05:58,100 --> 01:06:00,100
before we end season two of the Chris

1808
01:06:00,100 --> 01:06:02,100
Hansen conversation.

1809
01:06:02,100 --> 01:06:04,100
And I'd like to say a very, very big

1810
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:06,100
thank you to all of you.

1811
01:06:06,100 --> 01:06:08,100
We've seen such great growth

1812
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:10,100
in YouTube and our subscribers

1813
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:12,100
and thank you. Love you. Love you.

1814
01:06:12,100 --> 01:06:14,100
Deep, deep. Okay. Please continue to

1815
01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:16,100
enjoy the show and

1816
01:06:16,100 --> 01:06:18,100
share the show, please.

1817
01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:20,100
So this is our little Christmas

1818
01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:22,100
gift from Zee

1819
01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:24,100
Local, General Ling, and

1820
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:26,100
Chris Hansen, the frog.

1821
01:06:26,100 --> 01:06:28,100
What? The frog.

1822
01:06:28,100 --> 01:06:30,100
Kai, Kai, Kai, Kai, say

1823
01:06:30,100 --> 01:06:32,100
hi, Kai.

1824
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:34,100
Okay. And from Kai as well.

1825
01:06:34,100 --> 01:06:36,100
Kai says

1826
01:06:36,100 --> 01:06:38,100
I look like a frog. Okay.

1827
01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:40,100
So we're going to

1828
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:42,100
do this little song for you guys. We hope you

1829
01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:44,100
enjoy it. We're going to have a beatboxer

1830
01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:46,100
on my right. I'm going to have a freestyler

1831
01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:48,100
on my left. And I hope we don't fuck

1832
01:06:48,100 --> 01:06:50,100
this up.

1833
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:52,100
And

1834
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:54,100
even if we do,

1835
01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:56,100
well, I'm not going to ask you to forgive us.

1836
01:06:56,100 --> 01:06:58,100
We tried.

1837
01:06:58,100 --> 01:07:00,100
Merry Christmas, everybody. Have a great

1838
01:07:00,100 --> 01:07:02,100
one this 2023.

1839
01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:04,100
And God bless you all. Here we go.

1840
01:07:04,100 --> 01:07:32,100
Sleigh bells ring, are you listening? In the lane, snow is glistening. A beautiful sight, we're happy tonight. Walking in a winter wonderland. Gone away is the bluebird, here to stay.

1841
01:07:32,100 --> 01:07:36,100
Here's the new bird. We sing our

1842
01:07:36,100 --> 01:07:42,100
song as we go along. Walking in a winter wonderland.

1843
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:44,100
So,

1844
01:07:44,100 --> 01:07:46,100
we're back and walking in the winter wonderland.

1845
01:07:46,100 --> 01:07:48,100
The poem the trees

1846
01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:50,100
began on one half sleigh.

1847
01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:52,100
Santa flying over

1848
01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:54,100
so we got all the presents.

1849
01:07:54,100 --> 01:07:56,100
We got our loved ones

1850
01:07:56,100 --> 01:07:58,100
becoming together no matter where we just

1851
01:07:58,100 --> 01:08:00,100
can dream it. The mom, the farm,

1852
01:08:00,100 --> 01:08:24,080
and the

1853
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:26,100
or wondering

1854
01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:27,100
merrier

1855
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:31,100
Merry Christmas everybody!

1856
01:08:31,100 --> 01:08:33,100
Bye!

1857
01:08:35,100 --> 01:08:37,100
What the heck?

1858
01:08:37,100 --> 01:09:01,100
That's how you usually end a show, so yeah peace!

1859
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:23,100
Merry Christmas everybody!