So if I were to do like um...
Do that again, do that again, do that again.
One more time, one more time.
In the best part is the way that she does it and the way I do it is different.
So it's a bit more, you know, I use a bit more cheeks.
Dude, that was fucking scary bro.
I might even wipe down the table a little bit.
We look as if we are, you know, just out of a pajama party or in a pajama party.
I don't know man, but these fucking things are not hits man.
I mean, okay, it's Christmas time, it's Christmas time, it's Christmas time.
It's Christmas time.
Frankly, I was like, things look as if you, you know the things you wear when you go to sleep,
you know pajamas and you read fairy tales.
No, thank you.
Thank you.
See how stupid I am?
It's called night camp.
Welcome back people.
This is the special Christmas edition of the Chris Hansen conversation.
And with me in studio, I've got two people here that really, really have this intimacy.
Why was that pause?
Because my brain has to roll with intimacy with microphones.
And for good reason, for good reason, because on my right, I have with me the first female
to represent this country Singapore in the World Beatbox Championship.
Did I get that one right?
The World Beatbox Championship.
The World Beatbox.
Beatbox.
I say again, beatbox.
For all you old fogies out there don't understand what the fuck that means.
Go and look it up on Wikipedia, Google it.
Beatbox later on, you'll see what she's really made of.
She's really amazing.
She's better known as General Ling.
I know her as Elaine.
Welcome to the show.
Thank you for having me.
It's a real pleasure.
It's a real pleasure because it's a real honor as a matter of fact to have you here
with me at CCB TV.
And on my left is a, what did she call you?
A better half?
I'm the beast of the duo.
I'm the beauty and beast.
I disagree.
Okay, you are saying that because you don't want to get into the dog house, right?
Pretty much.
And the other half is a great freestyler and a beatboxer in his own right.
And he is Zack, better known as Zack Loco.
Thank you for having me.
Why Loco?
Zee Loco.
I was actually Zee Loco, but his name is Zack.
So I thought Zack Loco.
But hey, look man.
Wait, wait, fuck that.
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, L, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y.
It depends on which accent you're saying.
Oh for goodness.
So when I was christened Zee Loco, I was christened by a country singer,
hip hopper, a former hip hopper.
His name is Ramon Cedello.
Shout out to Ramon if he's watching this.
He christened me Zee Loco because I have multiple personalities, oddly enough.
I don't know, maybe my dyslexia, I don't know.
I change my voices all the time and I can freestyle like out of nowhere most times.
Okay, we're going to do some freestyling for a while though.
For all of us here on.
But I'm still going to go back to the same fucking argument, okay?
It cannot be Zee, guys.
It has got to be Zed and don't tell me.
I say Zed.
It is Zed.
I say Zed.
It has to be Zed.
No, it's not a generational thing either.
I say Zed.
I mean, I'm not that old.
Hello?
Your other half is saying Zee.
You are saying Zee.
She's two years apart.
I don't respect, I don't respect for the fact that, you know, you've taken that on as your stage name, right?
Or as your moniker.
So, okay, Zee Loco.
Ladies and gentlemen, Zee Loco.
Thank you for having me out.
If I had my way, I'll say Zed, but never mind.
Just say Zed, man.
I'm happy for Zed.
Welcome to the show, man.
Thank you, man.
Thank you.
Thanks both of you, really.
Taking the time off, coming down all the way to this little spot in Tampines.
It seems like a godforsaken place from wherever you guys come from, right?
Yeah, we come from the other side of the island.
Bloody far, right?
JB and Woodlands.
Really, JB and Woodlands were crying out loud.
But thanks for being here, really.
I want to ask you guys, what, can you explain to all the people out there who might not know this,
there's going to be a percentage of people that won't know this.
What is beatboxing and what is freestyle rapping?
Okay, let me take the beatboxing one and then they can take the freestyle rapping.
Okay.
So beatboxing, basically, I would say you use your vocal muscles, so your lips, your mouth,
your tongue, your nose, your throat to create music out of it.
So your articulators, basically?
In a sense.
Okay, nose, okay, nose, no articulator.
Nose, okay, fine.
Tongue, palate, lips, mouth, throat.
Cheek, don't forget the cheeks.
The cheeks, okay.
Articulators.
Okay, yes.
Yeah, okay.
So, wait, wait, wait, so you say all these things come into play, right?
Yes.
Okay, so I mean, why?
Why?
In the first place, you know, people will come on, right?
Most people, mainstream wise, but you're definitely not mainstream for sure, right?
Will come on and be singers, you know?
You sing?
Yes.
I can't sing.
I actually came from the acapella background.
Holy shit balls.
Yeah, we both do.
We both started.
That's when I got started in beatboxing, because I went into acapella and then I saw this bunch
of guys making drum sounds and I was just like, wait a minute, what?
And between singing, right now, right?
Where you are today, between singing and beatboxing, which would you rather?
Hmm, tricky question because it depends on my mood.
Sometimes I would rap, sometimes I would sing.
See, I'm not the only one with a personality.
Wow, wow, wow.
Wowee.
Okay.
And is there any particular reason?
I mean, when you heard these guys, you were saying earlier on, right?
They were making drum sounds with their mouths.
And what was that that attracted you?
Because I know for a fact, I would look at someone like you and I've seen you perform
and I go, wow, yeah.
But it doesn't drive someone like me to do that.
I mean, I'm sorry, nothing personal.
I'm just saying that it's just me.
Yeah.
But I think most people go, wow.
But even for singers, right?
But they wouldn't be driven to do something like that.
What drove you?
My love for music and the part where I didn't get access to learning music.
What do you mean?
Like, I loved the piano when I was young, but I never had a chance to really learn it.
And I tried drums as well and I sort of couldn't afford it as well.
Okay.
So then when beatboxing came about, it became a chance to learn an instrument with just my voice.
Wow, that makes sense.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's a cool answer.
I've always said that, you know, when I was young, my parents wasted money on me trying
to learn the guitar, which eventually I found my fucking fingers were just too fat.
And then after that, I went to, I want to know how to play the keyboards.
And after that, I tried playing the keyboards and then I realized that my freaking fingers
are too fat and it got stretched too far either.
And then I realized that, Hey, you know what?
I've got an instrument all with me and that's my voice.
But this, you are different kettle of fish, man.
You actually became the instrument.
Yes.
Okay.
So that's your reason.
Yes.
And it's amazing because we learn how to manipulate the different
muscles to add texture onto the sound.
Oh dear.
So if I were to do like, um,
Right.
Do that again.
One more time.
In the best part is the way that she does it and the way I do it is different.
Okay.
Yeah.
Now you do it.
Mine is so it's a bit more, you know, I use a bit more cheeks.
Dude, that was fucking scary, bro.
I'm sorry.
I might wipe down the table a little bit.
I usually would like when I explain to the students and he happens to be around, I'll
be like, look, that's the cheap mom way of doing it.
Cause it looks like a squirrel.
The squirrel's trying to hide the nuts.
But it's a different, isn't that a different, isn't that what wasn't that a different
drum skin as compared to the one that you just demonstrated?
It is.
Um, and the technique is different.
Yeah.
Okay.
It's like, it's like a snare drum, right?
You, you tune the snare drum.
In a sense.
Yes.
So you've got a different kind of tuning on your snare and you've got a different kind
of tuning.
Every single beatboxer is different.
Yeah.
Every single one of them.
Okay.
So hang on a sec.
So you can actually do acapella beatboxing.
Yeah.
If that's the case, right?
Yep.
Yeah.
I mean, acapella is actually means without music.
Yeah.
Without like the accompaniment, you're just doing music.
Okay.
With your voice.
And when you do something like this, I mean, how much, how, how did you, did someone train
you, someone teach you how to do this?
Okay.
So you might not believe it, but the person that I actually bugged, the first person is
right beside you.
This guy.
Yeah, me.
This guy, this guy with a tighter snare.
Yes.
So he, he was the one that I, I sort of approached and I was just like, Hey, I want to learn.
So then he taught me my first three sounds and I just drilled and practiced them.
Okay.
Three sounds.
The first, okay.
What were those three sounds?
So the kick drum.
And the hi-hat.
Yes.
And then the snare.
So just a basic three-part drum.
So you taught her how to do that.
Yes.
Now, can you teach me how to do that?
Okay.
So I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to skew this thing.
I'm going to skew this up, man.
I know I'm going to skew this up.
Let's start off with the bass first.
Okay.
So it's almost like you're over pronouncing the letter B.
So B, B, B, B, B, B.
Right.
So once you do that, you, you realize your lips is over pronouncing it.
It's moving slightly.
Almost there.
There you go.
And he stopped using voice.
You put it, push out a little bit of air where you should be getting his.
There you go.
Yeah.
Holy shit.
That was the first of the three sounds.
What was that?
That's the bass.
The kick drum.
Oh, that's the kick drum.
Yeah.
So that's the kick.
So to make it a little bit easier on you, don't fold the lips in.
Okay.
So instead of going, right?
You want to do neutral position, neutral and there you go.
Yeah.
There you go.
Sounds like a fart, man.
It's easier.
If you put too much air, yeah.
Ladies and gentlemen, you just heard Chris Hansen's canto.
If you see either one of us on the floor, you know why.
Okay.
So that was a kick.
What's the next one?
So the next one we always go is the easiest sound.
It's the hi-hats.
Right.
So there's two times.
The first one we always go is the close hi-hat.
It's just, you're just pronouncing letter T.
You know, like when you're a little bit annoyed, you know.
There you go.
And then you want to keep it short.
Yeah.
Nice and short.
There you go.
There's two types of that as well.
The second one is the open hi-hat.
Or we call it the open hi-hat.
I mean, drummers call it something else.
So when it's open up, you add a little bit of an S behind it.
Just...
Same mouth position.
Just a little bit.
There you go.
Try to open up your lip a little bit more.
You hear the sound?
Much more open.
Holy shit.
Okay.
So with just these three sounds, you can do quite a bit.
You can do quite a lot with that.
Or even...
I am so scoot now.
Let's just say two sounds, right?
It's just...
You're using your voice on the beat.
So just slow down.
Let's try this one.
Yeah.
So you practice that one.
So this is what it will probably sound like.
Can you imagine?
I walk all...
Oh boy.
Do that one more time.
Let's trade a club in.
That's why I just walk you.
That's what I mean.
Wow.
What was life like before you became General Ling?
Before I started beatboxing or...
Yeah.
I mean, just tell us.
You know, music.
You said you were an acapella, right?
Yes.
So how do you land up singing,
getting into the music to begin with?
So I actually grew up with my Chinese parents' classical.
Jingqu.
So all the Deng Lijun,
San Yu Li.
I never forget you.
You forget me.
That one?
Yeah.
Those kind.
I grew up with those music.
And then it's just, you know,
listen to the music and just sing kind of thing.
I didn't really think of doing music actually,
because I was in sports group and uniform groups.
So you wouldn't think that I would be going to music.
Okay.
And your friends were surprised.
Yes.
Right.
Everybody was like,
I never thought you would do that.
So your influence was basically Chinese,
old Chinese songs.
Yes.
So which mom and dad used to play.
Yes.
Right.
I specifically caught something you said.
I don't know whether there's any meaning behind it.
You said my Chinese parents.
What do you mean?
Basically, you just,
are you just literally saying that,
oh, my parents were Chinese?
I'm more of saying that because they are like,
my generation, for example,
they're people who are English school.
I see you mean the Chinese educated.
Yes.
Right.
Okay.
I just wanted to get out.
So their influences were pretty on the Taiwanese,
China.
Yeah.
Those influences.
How about you, man?
How about you?
How did you get into music, man?
Well, I came from a family that does theater.
Yeah.
My uncle founded Actree.
He's Jasmine Summert.
Oh.
Yeah.
So he's the third of the Actree.
He was on my grandson, the doctor,
Dr. Jamal, I think what he was.
Ah, whoa.
And my aunt is like, she's a music director,
music teacher for Yamaha.
Right.
So it's all in the family.
It's pretty much all in the family.
So my family has two sides, the engineers,
which, you know, do quality control.
One, I think my mom works, if I remember wrong,
my mom actually works for ST Electronics
for the longest time before this.
And the other side is the music guys.
Okay.
So I'm right down in the middle.
You know, I'm the techie guy that does music.
And, you know, I'm pretty much a delinquent.
I was growing up, you know, getting into fights,
doing this, doing that.
And music was one of those few things
that pretty much got my mind off of,
you know, doing all of those, being a delinquent,
I would put it as, or getting into trouble most times.
And that is one of those few things and getting into it.
Yeah.
It's amazing guys.
You know, I've been talking to a lot of musos
from my Tribute to SG Music Icons series.
And people who've spanned in this business of music
for like, wow, my goodness, 40, 50 years average each.
With the exception of one who's a fan of yours, Afwan.
Brother for another mother.
I had a great chat with Afwan.
And, you know, but there's a common thread
I recognize amongst everybody, including you guys.
Because you guys are like the current generation of musicians.
Yeah.
And you're definitely far younger than I am.
Yeah.
And far, far younger than most of the other people
have been seated at, seats that you're now sitting in
for that series.
And the common thread is the influence of music being played
by the folks at home.
Yeah, pretty much.
Clement said that, Clement Chao.
Oh.
I think Afwan also says something like that.
And for sure, Leonard and Dudley had their influences
from their family members, you know.
And people who said, let's take the guitar up
or, you know, take up the percussions and stuff.
And it's always, it really is influence usually comes
from the home, which I think is brilliant.
And I got to say, including me.
Yes, yeah, that's right.
I got to attribute this to my uncles and my mom, you know.
Every day as a kid, you drive around in the cars
and they play music or at home to play old records, right?
Mm-hmm, that's true.
And it just grows in you, yeah.
So it's pretty interesting to just discover that
there's some sort of commonality.
Okay, so now, freestyle rapping.
We talked about beatboxing.
So what's freestyle rapping about?
So freestyle rapping is a subgenre of rap, right?
Most people, like, you know, rap it, rapidly something poetry, right?
Freestyle rapping is pretty much when we take a certain topic,
try to think up of specific rhythms on the spot.
Right.
Or try to tell a story or try to make something out of it.
Yeah.
From simple of saying that, from stuff like,
right here with Chris Hanson, we just chilling out
around in Tampines, we gonna hit it up and drown.
With the podcast, the CCB podcast.
No matter what we just gonna do, let them normally broadcast.
Right on the camera, we got kind of background.
So no matter what, we just gonna do it, let them rap now.
So stuff like that, right?
So it's taking almost anything, pulling it back.
One of my good friends, Requiem, big up to Requiem,
he is one of the champion freestyle rappers here in Singapore,
next to Inero and all these guys.
The way he says it is beautiful, is taking something from right in front of you,
pulling it into making people think about other things else,
and remaking it sense to the person that's listening to you.
Yeah, but you know, I mean, there are two things I picked up from what you just said, man.
First, you said there was a subset of rapping.
Yeah.
How is that a subset?
In a sense because with freestyle, for me,
as a freestyle artist myself, traditional rapping is we already wrote it down.
Yeah.
Yeah, you have to wrote it down somewhere,
and you know, basic freestyle is you have it, wrote it down,
you memorize it, and you match it to the beat that anybody plays for you.
Right.
Like a DJ or anything else.
Right, so you're saying that is a subset simply because for rap, it's like a song,
you compose it, you put it down on paper, it's there, right?
For sure.
Right, okay, but freestyle is on the fly.
Yes.
Okay, now what you just did just now, just, I just need to understand,
the right brain is going to be fucking far bigger than the left fucking brain
to come up with stuff like that, right?
I attribute it to my dyslexia.
Oh, shut the fuck up about dyslexia.
I don't see how this has got nothing to do with dyslexia.
So now I just want to know, I just want to know, how do, this is like improv
of the highest order.
In a sense.
I mean, you can have a comedian go on stage, right, and the guy impromptu
living shit out of his entire show, but this is beyond words, words, yeah.
It's what's with rhythm.
In that sense, yeah.
So you were saying that what you say, requiem, when he said that if you can take something
in front of you and make sense of it, right?
Yeah.
Okay, I'm going to throw you this shit.
You did a little bit of that, but let's try to, let's see how smooth you can make this
one.
Okay.
And you can please feel free to beatbox with him.
Say something about the Chris Hansen conversation, CHC.
Okay.
Say something about it.
I don't know.
I'm leaving it to you, man.
All right.
Okay.
Elaine, you want to get, you got something on me?
Just to be laid out.
So, so right here, we're at CHC, the Chris Hansen's conversation.
No matter what we just kind of talking, probably glitching.
Got my brother, Alphonse, coming before.
He's the widow.
We got do it.
No matter what we just call it.
We're talking from the muses of the back and forth, the legends and the presence.
No matter what we've crossed, I'll be the future.
We coming together.
No matter race.
We got hero outside with the love.
So we do it with Kai and Chris Hansen with the beatbox and a generaling.
No more with Hansen, no more.
It ain't so bold enough.
No matter what we just do, we coming together to beat, to doubt, and more to kill it.
Whoa.
To stuff like that.
Oh, man.
Thank you.
Freaking guys, you killed that one, man.
I mean, I swear to God, when I was listening in my cans, right?
Yeah.
Your beatbox was like freaking surround.
Yeah.
I mean, like what the fuck was going on?
That's the sound design that beatboxes can do as they practice it.
Sound design?
Like a sound design.
Seriously?
An advanced lesson that we do teach is sound shaping.
So it's like how you craft the sound and textures.
But not many people have the patience to get there.
Yeah, because that takes like what, three hours?
No, that was utterly ridiculous, you know?
I mean, I've been doing stuff, right?
I mean, in music for what?
In media and music and being on stage as a host and so on, singing.
And listening to you guys on the cans, it was insane.
People, you, fuck me, I hope you replicate this thing.
Right now, we're recording it because what I'm hearing...
You need headphones after that.
I mean, you're replicating it.
It was absolutely nuts, man.
Thank you.
Geez, wow.
Okay, now that I'm so mesmerized.
And god, my ass is on fire just now.
You got a beat, it was so good.
Tell me about that competition that you represented in Singapore in Berlin.
What was it like?
How tough was the competition?
It was very intimidating, I'll be honest.
Because when I was battling in Singapore, it was against all the guys.
Well, that's a word to use, battling, yeah?
Yes, it does.
That's a word to use.
We had to compete because there was no female's league here in Singapore.
So then I was the only female that...
Why is that so?
In your opinion?
It is not a very easy art for females to get into,
but I do see an increasing trend nowadays, which I'm very happy to see.
Because you're leading the way.
I hope so, and maybe other influences as well like YouTube and IG, TikToks.
But when I started, at that point in time,
I didn't really have much avenues to say that's a female league.
Just compete within the females.
So I had to go straight into the guys.
And then I didn't expect to actually get into the world championship
until my friend said, like, hey, congratulations.
I was like, what?
I was still teaching, and I was doing a class.
Suddenly I just saw my name on the line-up and I was just like, oh no.
Was it oh no?
Or was it oh yeah?
It was oh no because it was so close away,
and I was like, oh crap, I only have like maybe one or two months just to practice.
Okay.
And like to memorize a routine and all that, it takes time.
Craft the routine, it takes time.
Okay.
So I did all I could, practice.
Once I got to Berlin, I practiced, I practiced, and I practiced.
And then the moment I stepped on the stage, I blanked.
No!
I blanked.
She turned into me, she freestyled the whole time.
Really?
Yeah.
I blanked because I saw the crowd and so many people, and it's so different because
when you're performing in front of the audience who don't understand and they feel music,
you're not going to feel so scrutinized because once you go on the beatboxing competition,
they will scrutinize your techniques, not just your flow,
and then how you put everything together, how complex you think it is,
kind of thing, and it was so much pressure.
I never realized that it would have been really this complex, you know?
Yeah.
Really, until really this conversation, I never realized that.
So what happened with that competition then?
Well, I walked away with a very clear sign of which path I wanted to go to.
I realized that because I met other people, other beatboxers as well,
and they were like champions in their own country.
Right.
And then even they didn't get very highly placed in the world championships.
Right.
Then I realized that there's a very huge difference between competitor or battler,
teacher or performer.
Okay.
So then there were technically like three tracks for you to choose from.
Right.
So if you want to be a battler, then it will be within the scene itself.
Right.
Teacher, of course, is what I do and then sharing the art.
Performer, I feel, is the most versatile one.
Okay.
Because then you can actually convert yourself into an artist, you start putting tracks out.
But right now, is it clear that you've placed yourself in the teacher route?
I've actually placed myself in the teacher and performer.
Okay.
Not so much the battler because I just really, it doesn't make me feel like I love it.
I'm only, I did that for a representation.
Right.
And who won the competition?
You as female.
Yeah.
And they're very strong.
So the thing I noticed about the community as well is that they're very supportive in
their relevant countries.
So there isn't really like people putting on as or to say, oh, you know, I know more
than you, you know, I'm better than you.
In other countries, it's more of, hey, like, let's try this, let's share this, let's do
this.
Let's have fun.
And it's so open and it's so inviting that the growth, you can see the growth in the
scene.
So like the US, France comes up with really good B-bosses.
Yeah.
I'm not sure whether you saw the golden buzzer guy, MB14.
No.
So he's from France, but the way that he puts beatboxing into musicality, that to me is
what, you know, to show what beatboxing can really do.
Now that you said all this, you know, about how people have such great passion over this
craft of theirs, and you've seen that having gone for the global championships, right?
How do you compare that with our scene here in Singapore?
What's it like, in your own words?
So when we, when I first started, the community was really, really supportive and I loved
it because that's where I grew.
You know, I met so many people.
There's the, sorry, there's the slightly older or the more senior B-boxes like the one
beside me.
Senior bro, senior.
Yeah, we call ourselves the relics.
So there are waves of generations.
Yeah.
So I think he's like second generation.
I forgot what's mine was.
Four, four, five, fifth, fourth.
You're the fourth.
Yeah, you're the fourth.
Now I think we're already at like some double number.
So you're saying that is it growing and thriving in Singapore?
I would say that when we first started Beat Zink, right?
And to sort of see how people perceive beatboxing, it was still very street art and they were
not willing to pay for value.
But now we do see.
But come on, that's Singapore for you.
I mean, not just for beatboxers, right?
For even your...
Yeah.
I would say that we tried very, very hard to sort of put the professionalism into beatboxing.
To help people understand that we are professionals as well and why you should pay for us.
Because when we first started, I remember people only wanted to pay like 20 bucks.
Less than that actually.
Geez.
That's considered one of the better ones.
Like the worst ones were like community prices, community center prices.
Yeah.
Just when I first started teaching beatboxing 15 years ago, it was...
People were not...
They wanted it free of five bucks.
You know, because for them it's, okay, I'm just making noises.
I'm just doing a Michael Winslow or...
Because back then, you know, people were watching Police Academy.
People just basically don't take this seriously.
That's all.
Yeah.
Anything is easy.
At that point of time, yes.
Anything is trendy, right?
And they don't see this as an art.
Right.
So bringing back to your question in terms of how the scene is.
Yeah.
We have these thoughts.
So we have the people who try to make it professional.
And we have those who are still figuring out how to clarify their stance, I guess.
There's a lot of groups that popped up that were like young people.
Like they just wanted to have fun.
And when we try to sort of like share professionalism side of things,
then you know, that politics start to come into play.
So then I decided, okay, you know what?
We're just going to step out and do our own thing because we have our belief
and we can only stand firm in our belief to show the attraction that we get
and the people that we sort of share and help.
Well, whoever comes through our doors.
Because there's a huge difference between, say, when you get someone who just only
really learn how to beatbox or that they know how to beatbox and then they teach
versus the people who really want to teach.
Yeah.
Because contrary to popular belief, right?
People always say, if you can't do, you teach, right?
But in beatboxing, it's the other way around.
It's either you can really teach, right?
And you're a good battler or you can teach and you're a good performer
or you're a good battler and performer, but you can't really teach.
Because the way that you do your sounds and the way that you experience it,
because our biologists are different from everybody else,
from one person to another person, it's not the same.
You can't explain it.
You can't get it.
Yeah, everyone's vocal cords are different as well.
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And our goal was to bring beatboxing into real life.
Like help them explain what is the value of beatboxing in your life.
So this is how Beats Inc. Music started, is it?
Yes.
Yeah, 10 years ago.
We wanted to teach beatboxing proper and to be seen as professionals
rather than street performers, you know?
Yeah.
Because people always ask like, oh, why should we learn from you?
Like we can just learn from YouTube.
Right.
Like sure, but no one's going to tell you whether or not you're doing it correct.
Yeah.
Whether you can develop habits.
Yeah.
Sometimes people think just by watching a video,
they can learn something straight away.
That's not true.
So this whole thing, this craft that you're teaching
under Beats Inc. Music, is it?
Beats Inc. Music, ladies and gentlemen, is a beatboxing academy.
And who are your students?
Do you go to the schools or do private students come to you guys?
We have a wide range of students, I would say.
So we have the private students.
The private students within that category,
sometimes we have those with special needs.
Right.
Learning disabilities because beatboxing has proven to help them.
Really?
Yeah.
I specialize in special needs.
Confidence.
Yeah.
I teach.
He just did like a few special needs schools.
I did three months' worth of Mines.
Yeah.
Over...
Mines, yeah.
Yeah, Mines Academy.
I had three months there because for them, for their students,
it's part of the interest group at the same time to help them a little bit with speech
and everything else because sometimes, and for past 15 years on and off,
I've been doing like Grace Orchard and everything else.
And I always focus...
My specialty is always to teach student at risk,
you know, the former delinquents like myself or, you know,
or even, you know, special needs because they...
It takes a lot of patience, I'll be honest with you.
I would not trust a lot of other people.
You keep using the term delinquent, man.
I don't see you as a delinquent.
Yeah, now.
Now, you don't remember.
Oh, really?
She knows me.
I mean, we've been together for 16 years.
She's seen me from my delinquent days all the way up to the...
But now, taking your craft, both of you, taking your craft,
beatboxing and freestyle rapping, you teach that as well, right?
Yes, yes, yes.
Okay. Taking these things and then into beats,
ink, music, and, you know, doing so much good out there,
is it helping you earn a good living at least?
Yes.
Yeah, I would say that's great to know.
Yes, it is.
Of course, when we first started, it was really challenging.
Yeah, as in anything.
Yes, that's true.
It was really challenging.
We were like just basking at Haji Lane.
We were performing until like...
Orchard Road, Haji Lane, yeah.
Maybe like 2, 3 a.m.
And then we would just wait for the first bus back
because we didn't want to spend.
We didn't really have a lot to spend for like the cab fares.
Those were the good hungry years, huh?
Yeah.
Our first...
And big up to going home back then when Haji Lane...
Now, they are in Bali Lane actually.
But in Haji Lane, Oli, Yusof, all those guys,
they took care of us.
They make sure that the musicians are well taken care of.
They, you know, you have any...
You want to sleep upstairs for a few hours
and then you guys can go in the morning,
you know, that kind of thing.
It's amazing.
And these guys like that and people like that,
we were very thankful to meet people like that.
I mean, it's amazing.
Yeah.
Now that you're talking about these guys,
I just would like to...
Educate me a little bit, okay?
How does your craft compare to the guys like Young Raja,
Abang Sapao?
Is it different?
I would say slightly.
They rap?
Yeah, they rap too.
With them, their freestyle, it's...
Would be somewhat similar to mine.
Yeah.
Like I've heard Young Raja freestyle before,
but again, it's a little bit harder to just come off the top of your head.
Right.
Because that's the kind of thing where...
It means you're constantly thinking.
I can attest to that because he tried giving me like a freestyle lesson
and he made me like try to do it and I'm like, nope.
Nope.
Yeah, because it takes practice.
It takes a lot of practice.
You start from you're writing it down,
whatever random phrases you have, write it down,
and then you make it into the thing.
Young Raja was on my last podcast.
Yeah.
Him and Abang Sapao.
Oh, nice.
So I just wanted to find out, you know,
what's the similarity between them.
What's the similarity or any differences at all?
I mean, the slight differences is because I can't remember a thing if I write it down.
Really?
Yeah.
Well, this is where I come back to what you did just now, man.
Yes.
When you take this one thing in front of you
and you make it from nothing to something.
So I just need to understand this.
How do you do it?
What...
Is there a mechanical mechanism behind this?
Is there a process, something technical perhaps
that people can learn?
So the way that my head works mainly,
it's almost like an empty blank piece of paper, right?
So if you tell me, okay, let's write about the Chris Hansen conversation.
Yeah, yeah, what you did.
So from there, I'm putting in whatever,
almost I'm writing it down in my head where whatever I've seen,
of whatever I've experienced,
or I know about what's happening at that point in time.
So I make that into specific phrases,
and then I'll just link it up.
So basically it's based on what you've known, what you've seen.
Correct.
But to make it, it's got a rhyme, right?
Yeah, so that's the part that you need to practice.
So it's like freaking instantaneous poetry.
In a sense, yes.
But it's a one-off kind of thing because once I say it,
unless you record it, I hope...
Unless you record it, I'm not doing it again.
It's not coming out again.
People like me, I mean, I can write simple poems, okay?
I can sit down, but I've got to think it through
and I've got to write it down, you know?
Just like me.
Yeah.
It just can't be instantaneous.
No, I can't.
It just comes out like freaking instant noodles, man.
I mean, it's like hot.
What the fuck?
I can do that for people, but I can't do that for the rapper.
So the two of you are meant for each other, man.
In a sense, yes.
Okay, so...
But General Ling, in case, yes.
I've got to get used to calling you that.
You got yourself a school in psychology. Why?
Which one?
I don't know.
The diploma or the degree?
No, it should be the most recent one.
Let's talk about the degree.
Starting into psychology,
there must have been a motivation.
Why?
So I...
The first thing that I felt was...
I think that was in secondary school
and I read news where I think East Coast,
there was a slashing or something like that
because of the gang fight.
Downtown East.
A long time ago.
And I felt that, you know,
if there was actually someone to help the boy
or, you know, the people involved, then maybe...
You mean the assailants?
No, as in to help...
The victim or the assailants?
I would say the whole situation in general,
which, you know...
I'm just being an idiot. Okay, okay.
Which is like...
That's when I sort of got interested in the counseling
and I was just like, okay,
if someone was actually there to give them a hand
and to sort of like maybe help them
out of their troubles,
maybe that wouldn't be the path that they chose to go.
So this was a choice before you got into music
or into beatboxing?
That was in between.
Yeah.
Okay. So you were doing it for outside of any reason
for your career currently?
It was that because you had an interest?
No, no, not yet. This is the start.
This is only the start.
Okay. Okay. Here we go.
Here we go. Sorry.
This is only the start.
And then, um...
After that, I got into TP psychology.
What's TP?
Tumasic Poly.
Okay, okay. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
I'm not a toilet paper.
This is me showing you my age. Yeah.
So then it was...
One part was what I wanted to do.
And the other part was I decided to be funny
because I scored quite good for my old levels.
I retained one year and then I scored good for my old levels.
So you got eight points for your old levels.
So everybody was wondering why you came to JC.
That's after retaining one year.
Hey, hey, hey. One year did you good, man.
Eight freaking points, man. Come on.
Yeah. So then, um...
I saw like I could go to anything,
including like the JCs.
And I was just like, okay.
Then I saw psychology and it was like eight points.
And I was like, okay, let's go for that.
Let's see if I can get like my first choice.
That's really strange.
What drove you to do that?
I really have the prior like interest in psychology, you see.
So it was really something that was in you
before all this started.
Yeah. I wanted to be a police when I grew up.
Police officer.
Like young grow up, I watch police cop shows too much.
If I remember correctly, you said you wanted to be part of the CNB or the CID.
Then you would have arrested him.
Probably, yes.
In an alternate universe, that could have happened.
Yeah, probably.
So fortunately for you,
for you, she didn't become a cop.
Unfortunately, I found rap.
I did almost become a cop.
Okay.
I was in the volunteer corps while I was in the army.
Oh, yeah. That's it.
Hang on.
You were in the army.
Yes. Yes.
You were in the military. You were a regular.
Yes.
Okay. Let's talk about that one.
This is getting so topsy-fucking to me, man.
You're saying that, okay, you retained one year.
You went for your O's again.
You scored brilliantly.
Had eight points.
Went to Temasek Poly.
Took a psychology diploma simply because
you had this interest in it.
And then you wanted to be a cop.
But that didn't happen. In the end, you end up
being in the military.
Now, just summarize the whole damn thing.
So tell me about the military.
Why the hell did you
end up in the SAF?
Okay, so to join the whole cop
and then the military
story together, I went for the
sort of like a sponsorship.
A scholarship.
Yeah, a sponsorship.
So you are like tied to them after you
finish your studies kind of thing.
Not really a scholarship.
They call it a sponsorship.
That's another fucking word for it.
But, but, but.
So I went to the SPF one. It was quite daunting
because the moment you opened the door, you were like
in a conference table of 11 people staring at you.
And you were like, what?
16, 17?
Okay, then when you went to the army, you wanted to
go by one guy.
I think she told me it was one of-
It was one guy in a small office.
Really? Yeah, it was so different.
So clever as ever.
So it was
funny because it was 11 people
and they were like, at the point of time
they were going to assess you to see like who wants
you kind of thing. The different departments. I'm sure
all the departments were there. And if I remember correctly, you
said the prison system wanted you as a
award. Correct, the prison service wanted me. Because of your
psychology, right? Because you're taking psychology.
You're beginning to scare me, you know.
See, you see? Okay, alright.
So
so then
because I rejected prison
the prison service
and I was rejected for that
sponsorship.
So I needed to find a way
to fund my studies. So then I decided to
try for the SAF. Right. So then
SAF, after that, they
started throwing all these terms at me as
a young 16,
17 person. I'm just like, huh?
Artillery, armour,
all these things. I was like, can you just put me somewhere
that is relevant for my course of study?
Yeah, beatbox.
That sounds like
RT.
So
so, guess why they
threw me? Military intelligence.
Oh god, she's really
scaring me, man.
You should ask how many languages
he actually speaks. Oh boy.
Here I have one guy
telling me all the while he used the word
delinquent how many times. And then
I have this one. That's what I was.
I'm a big cop, I'm in prison
service, and I end up in military intelligence.
This is what I mean by beauty and the beast.
We are literally
opposite. It's insane.
Okay, so we end up in, I don't want to know.
Should I ask? They ask? No. Either S.I.B., M.S.D. or something like that.
We don't exist, but...
Okay, this is getting even worse, man.
You might want to edit that out later.
I don't believe this shit, man.
I've got a beatboxer who competed
for Singapore, and she's teaching
beatboxing, you know?
And my god, she asked.
She was
in something that nobody would ever
freaking dream
that you
in whatever you're doing
in the SAF coming
out to be a beatboxer.
Oh, no, definitely not. So when I
told people that I wanted to leave, they were
pretty appalled.
They were like, what about your CPF?
Hahahaha!
Well,
we can't approve them wrong on that one, anyway.
I mean, we bought a house.
Oh, boy.
So how long were you
with these guys? I was actually supposed
to serve four years with them.
But then I left
after three years of medical condition.
Okay, okay, okay.
And it wasn't faking. It was
a mental
torture for me because as a
musician and a creative
in a space
where it's regimental, it was quite hard
for me to express myself. Yeah, because your right brain, your left brain
would be at odds, right? And it is always at odds
with each other, so I was quite miserable.
I know how that feels, man.
See, look at me, man. That's the reason why I'm
a nutcase. Okay, so
Hahahaha!
I'll be quiet right over here. Hahahaha!
So,
okay, so you were at odds,
and it
impacted you. I had somatic
symptoms. Like, it was really, really bad.
It's to the point whereby
I had to see a psychologist and everything.
And you having had
a diploma and eventually a degree
in psychology. Yes. I was so
embarrassed because I'm someone with a diploma
in psychology, and then I'm like facing
a psychology problem
and it's somatic. I was like, oh no.
You know, like what am I supposed to do?
So, it took quite
a lot of resolve and I was
just like, okay, I gotta
leave. Like, I have to leave because I
can feel it that it is not
somewhere that I can be.
For maybe the people who
really see it as a long term
career for 55, it's a great
place to be. But for me,
I was the sort who,
you can see from my whole life story how
many things I did, right? So, I'm not
the person who just do one thing.
Yeah. Be mindful
when she was still in the army,
we already started the school.
So, she was arranging time
for me to go and teach, and I have to
arrange time as well. So basically,
she can't sit still. Yeah.
That's why I call it a monkey. You know like how a monkey
runs around, climbs a tree. Okay, I am
born in the year of a monkey. Okay,
that explains it too.
But, yes, I
tend to do a lot of stuff, and
it's not that I needed to prove anything.
It's just my interest and
my heart will immediately just go, okay,
let's try this. Okay, let's try that. Let's try this.
Let's try this. To the point where by like, if I
want to try something new, I'll be like, okay,
I think I can take this on, and then we'll make sure like, I don't
feel maybe like, four? Was it?
Three, woman. Three.
How do your folks respectively feel about
what you guys are doing now? Well, my mom,
I mean, she grew up with my uncle and my aunt,
right? So, in a sense,
and she's
supportive a bit, you know? As long as
I'm fed, and I'm
happy, and I'm not homeless,
and I'm not hungry, she's okay with that.
How about you?
I thought so.
It took
really a while.
I think my mom
for a while, her favorite line was,
got money or not?
I mean, both of our parents will say the same thing,
same line. Which I understand is her
concern, and you know, she
worries for me, and like, sometimes,
with the amount of things I'm doing, it looks like
I'm not holding a stable job kind of thing, you know?
I'm just like, floating around.
Yeah. But,
I think the recent
shift when I was featured
in Channel 8,
and I saw myself on TV, that moment,
I think that's
when she really accepted that I was doing
something that was
making a difference. And
now she understands
we are much, much more closer.
You know, we are able to communicate on things,
I can share with her, like, hey, you know,
like, this is my song, what do you think of it?
You know, oh, look, this are my students,
and all that. But before that, it was
kind of hard for us to communicate
when she was still in the space of
what are you doing with your
life? It's a matter of whether they
understand what you're doing, they've got to see
it. Yes.
So thankfully, because of the
Channel 8 feature, and all the features I'm
getting, including yours,
you know, I get to tell my story.
What was that?
But what was that?
Including my...
Yes, every feature, every
platform to tell my story, I'm very thankful
because then it helps.
I'm just being an idiot again.
Thank you so much for also saying
that. It helps
to sort of, you know, people understand the origin
and the background story. How are you now?
I'm good. Are you better? Yeah.
Happy? Yes. Happy space?
Yes, I'm in a happy space. Okay, that's all we want to
know. And I don't want to pry anymore,
you know? But thank you for sharing this story.
We're actually in a very good space.
I just bought her, I surprised her
I think a month ago?
Less than a month ago.
I bought her like
tickets for the musical ABBA.
Whoa, awesome! Yeah, and she was
surprised. By the way, young lady, it is
ABBA. ABBA. Oh, for God's sake.
ZZ.
I'm not that old. Before my time though.
I'm only two years older than her and I speak like
you're talking about.
Your influences at home is different?
I mean, yeah.
That's true. You're right about that.
You said on
on channel 8, right? Yes.
I think there's something even bigger. I'm sorry, I'm
going to say this. Fuck that. You know, channel 8.
Something even bigger,
man.
I give a fuck.
So, you know,
one of your Mandarin rap singles
was played on Netflix, man.
On Netflix TV series,
Snowpiercer for crying out fucking
loud. Yeah.
And I watched that show
and
it's you.
Well, there are many, many tracks in
Snowpiercer. Yeah, I know, but you
Yeah, but fuck that. I mean, come on. It's on fucking
Netflix, man. Yes.
You know, fuck channel 8. I mean, that was on
fucking Netflix.
That's true. That is very true.
One of the biggest shows too, isn't it?
Yeah, to me, that's something.
Even if it's just one of the mini
soundtracks, it doesn't matter. It was Netflix.
Yes. You know,
it's like Young
Raja was rejoicing when
Jimmy Fallon played his
song and actually made fun of it.
Oh, wow. On his show.
Interesting. And
he tweeted Jimmy
Fallon. But to me,
that's a win. Yes. Yeah, it is.
That's a win, you know. So what the hell, man?
Now, I'm a bit confused.
I saw this as I was researching.
What is New
Sentara Records?
Oh, that was actually a record
label that me and
Elaine with another rapper,
I mean, I rather
not say the name. We
founded that together. So
it was your label? It was.
Oh, so it's Past Sense? Yeah,
Past Sense. We left that.
We left the record label.
Okay. Yeah. Right.
And how long did the
label go on for? Well, it's
still around. Three years. It's still around.
Oh, it's still around.
It's run by the other person that you would not say.
Correct. Right, right. Well,
I don't know whether Elaine wants to say it. I would
say it
was an unfortunate situation that
happened that caused everything
to break down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Usual political shit. No. Oh!
It was my incident in
November 2019 that inspired me
to go for my degree in psychology.
You researched that one?
Where you have to say that? Do you want to talk about
the incident?
Well, I would
say I have spoken about the incident.
Okay. Oh, yeah.
I was on a consult on tour.
Okay. I shot a 28-minute video
to call out the predator
as well. By name too.
Yeah. On YouTube.
The thing about it that I
feel is
it wasn't a situation
that anybody should be put in.
It was pretty
concerning for me when during
COVID, I pivoted to a transcriber.
Okay. And
I was transcribing police cases.
Okay.
In Singapore. So I do know
of some of the cases that has happened.
And it is something that
affects people
and is silent. Okay.
Yeah, it does.
So then that's when
I decided to go back into
psychology. First, to understand my own traumatized
experience and the
triggers and how to work on it.
And then also criminology to understand
why people would do something like that.
Okay. This girl is serious, man.
Okay. Yes, she is. Yep.
And now
I am sort of just using
my platform, my music
to help people
sort of to find
themselves, like how I was
lost at a point in time after the incident.
Okay. Yeah.
So it was an unfortunate
situation that happened and nobody should be put in there.
But that is what caused the downfall
of, you know, why we're no longer part
of Nusantara Records. Okay.
For the record though, it was
not the partner that did
the assault. Right.
It was an artist that
was invited by Nusantara Records
to go on tour. Yep. Right.
That unfortunately. Right.
Wow.
Yeah. Okay.
I'm gonna move on.
We go from one end to the other end.
So a lot of people have said that
my story can literally write a
Korean drama out of it. Yeah.
Someone so young.
Wait, is that the case? Can I get like G-Dragon
to be me if you're making a
Korean drama? No.
Like put a fat suit on him or something.
Wait, you see this is where I'm lost. Who the hell
is G-Dragon? It's like a rapper from Korea
or something. Oh, okay. But very muscular.
I'm really not into this thing. No, but you know, it was
interesting because people were telling me like
your story is totally like a
drama. But yeah, I'm living in on a day-to-day
basis. Yeah. Nah, nah. Not today, right?
No. Nah, nah. Come on. You're in a happy
space now. Yes. It's part of my
journey as well. Right.
You recently released a Chinese hip hop
single. Yes. On Spotify. Tell us
about it. So
Forget It or Ba Le, it was
a song that I wrote
when I was in one of that
downtime, that down period. Yeah.
And
it was like there were so many voices
that were telling you what to do,
what you should do, your own voice,
people's voices, and you just wanted
them to shut the fuck up. And
let me think. Yes.
Let me think. Let me breathe.
I like how Chris said it. Shut the
fuck up and then she says let me
That's exactly how it should be.
Yes. So technically why
I use the word Ba Le.
It was supposed to mean fuck it, but
I just turned it into a nicer word. Was it fuck it or fuck off?
What the hell? Just put
fuck it. Why? Because it's Chinese.
Yeah. I mean there's no fuck.
Ba Le, but you can loosely translate
that. Ba Le, which is the title.
So later on I realized
as I speak to my
friends, they're like it's a very Malaysian word.
It is? Ba Le is a very Malaysian word.
That's why I'm trying to figure it out because it's something I don't
recognize. I mean not that my Mandarin is so damn
good, but you know. But
it's something that's really alien to me. It is
Malaysian. I only realized
that after some of my
friends played it, and then when the radio
was like, oh it's
a very Malaysian way that it was
written. I was like that's very interesting because
I'm Singaporean, but I do stay in Malaysia.
So maybe the influences actually rubbed off.
Actually to be honest, when I
heard, I was listening to your single,
and I was listening to the enunciation
of the Mandarin words, right?
And really, it sounded
more Malaysian.
The whole intonation, the whole
it was sounding
more Malaysian to me than it is, you know,
Singaporean.
Maybe that's the reason why.
No, not really, you know. I really felt
more Malaysian. That's the reason
why I said to you privately, right? I said
you should add in some Singlish in there.
Maybe in the next few.
The Hokkien was supposed to be the
Singlish part.
No, no, no. Dr.
Greeley Swee, if you're watching the show, you're going
to disagree that wholesale.
Because you said there is such a thing called
good Singlish and bad Singlish.
That's what he's going to say. Oh, interesting.
I came from a family that doesn't even
speak Singlish, so I do not know.
I come from a family, no. Really?
What the fuck? I come from
a theatre family. No, no, no. His family doesn't
speak. Yeah, majority of my family don't
even speak Singlish.
Get out the front door, man. Like half the time when I was
younger, watching Pua Chu Kang, I couldn't understand
whatever he was saying. To me, to me, to me,
that is who we are, you know.
I really don't give a shit what anyone has to say
about that. I mean, I guess. Yeah, I
really think that's who we are. So tell us more about
this, Pa Le. So it's fuck it.
Yeah. And you spent the downtime
writing that song and you released
it recently. Yep. So it was,
it's a song about finding strength.
Where the whole entire
idea is just let me
sort of, just let me be
myself, let me walk my own path.
And trusting in myself to walk
that path. And to also
say like, Pa Le,
to the inner negativity
gremlin. So it's your accumulation
of negativity.
And to say, you know, just
keep quiet. Just keep quiet. You're not telling
like, because we have our outside
voices where people tell us. We have our own
inner voice as well, which is usually
the most detrimental one.
So
it's that voice that you want
to keep quiet and
shut up. Just like, stop telling
me what, you know, you think
is dumb. It's almost like a fight between
like, your self
and the inner self. I know what you mean, man.
Because sometimes when my brain tells me
stupid shit, I have to slap this side.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Today if I want to come up with ideas, I'm going to smack
my right side of my head.
For me, I just make it into a personality
and rap using that voice. But you
got rap. See, I don't. See, I just got to
do that.
So that is
the
idea behind
Pa Le. Okay. And it was interesting
because my listeners are
from the States. Poland as well,
right? Yeah. Greece.
For the first
week that they came out. I was so confused.
We were surprised.
We were surprised because she told
her, oh, my analytics says that
majority of my listeners is from Poland.
No, but you know something, music is
a universal language, regardless of
you know, we can sit down and listen to an African
beat with, you know,
people singing in Afrikaan or Swahili,
right? And if the beat's there,
you would still like it. It's like world music,
man. It is about music.
And I'm so glad, as a matter of fact, I'm quite heartened
to hear you guys say that because
in
Singapore, right, we all become numbnuts.
I mean, yeah.
It is true. I mean, I can't deny that.
We will have people, more
people from everywhere else around the
fucking planet that's going to appreciate
our shit more than our own people.
Yes. You agree or disagree?
Yes. My Singapore
listeners were like four, number
four. Yeah, you go numbnuts.
That's a numbnut number.
Four, four, it's a numbnut number.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, fuck that. I mean,
I've given up, man. I've been like, what the fuck?
You know? Like when we got
good shit going, nobody gives a shit.
You not only want to freeload that shit.
Well, I mean, it's,
it is unfortunate, but
I have had like, I mean,
even my own experience trying
to do music, right, and how it was
perceived, like it's going to be the
average perspective,
but I do see like the younger ones are slowly shifting.
I really hope so, man. Give me some
hope, please.
Even when sort of like
I have the younger
kids that I'm teaching and then I speak to
their parents, you can see that they are much more
accepting of the music.
Really? Yeah, they are. Yeah, they are.
I'm glad to hear that, man. Because then they will invest on their
kids with beatboxing
and I'm not charging a very like
cheap CC, community center
rate. No, you shouldn't. It's the market rate.
It's right on the market rate.
You should not be charging like, you know, anything.
But you know, if they were willing to pay for it,
I sort of already have my audience filtered in a sense,
because then they will naturally
know that what we stand for and what
you're paying for in terms of value. Right.
And they appreciate music.
Great. I'm glad. As a matter of fact,
I'm so glad I can grow old and
end up in a senior citizens home or something and still
have, you know, and see this happening.
Okay, so...
I don't know where the fuck that came from,
but never mind.
It was just my
mind. I was just going to verbal
You're freestyling right there. You're freestyling right there.
You are fucking contagious.
No.
Z-Loco guy is not that bad.
Yeah, man. Z-Loco
and General Ling,
if your lives were a soundtrack,
what would be the title?
Actually,
Elite has a soundtrack.
No, no, no, no.
Your lives were a soundtrack.
What would the title
be?
That's what I meant.
There is a song called General Ling that she's a part of.
Yeah, but it's
both of you. Not just her. Both of us.
If it's us. Together.
What would the title be? Well, there's one song
from Taiwan that I...
It emphasizes
everything of how we went through
our lives. It's called Life of Struggle.
Oh, yes.
That is that soundtrack for us.
Life of Struggle.
Really?
It was talking about the various
stories that he had to go through, but
the chorus is Life of Struggle.
日子還要過 平常喜怒 哀樂之後
去著數不盡的 troubles everyday
有多少問題要去面對 有多少夜
要找到自己的命運
為了我的好處
明白 明白
英文,請
So basically, it's like
you're so tormented by
life, but then the life still
moves on.
That's the true...
Sometimes you can't sleep, sometimes you worry, sometimes you're
happy, you know, all these things.
But life moves on.
But you know what, man, I mean, it's all our lives, you know.
For me, if personally you ask me
what my soundtrack is, given the fact that it's
very close to a Korean drama.
I would imagine that whole soundtrack to have
so many experimental
type of things, because you can see
there's no rhyme or reason to what I'm doing.
Exactly.
Come on, guys.
Even with me, you know what
title I'll give you guys?
Me and my kimchi.
Me and my kimchi!
Just to end of the show, before we end of the show,
just one last final question.
Any plans in the offering
for both ZLOCO
and generally?
ZLOCO's gonna be releasing a track.
You will hear his four
personalities, which
the producer basically went like
Each time, each take,
I take, you give me different style.
Big up to Gazbaz, Bob.
So for me,
one of the reasons why
Ramon Cedelo big up to him,
why he called me
ZLOCO is because again, I have multiple
personalities. I don't know where that comes from.
I just have this weird thing that goes on. Maybe it's
my theatre side, I don't know.
So I have multiple different voices
that I use for different things.
For different flows,
for different styles
of rapping and everything else.
I just give them each individual
names and I put it in the track. So within
one verse, I'm
changing from four different
types of voices and four different styles
of rapping. Now you know why you're called ZLOCO.
Yes.
Okay guys. Meanwhile,
then for me,
based on our conversation, you can tell that
every time I'm talking about one thing, I'm thinking about
something else.
So the release,
I will have a few songs coming out as well,
but the whole thing is going to
slowly piece together like a puzzle.
She's actually going to re-release the
song that's in Netflix.
A newer version of that.
For the masses.
In Chinese?
We might be a mixed language.
Ah, thank goodness.
Sing for people like me,
I'm bloody gruggle.
I know a lot of people basically told me when they heard
my song, it's like, okay, now do an English one.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
I will work on that.
There is a track that maybe
next year is going to come out.
We're working on a Lo-Fi track.
English and
Mandarin. A Lo-Fi track
as well, just between the two of us.
Just to
do a little bit more.
That's another one that's coming out.
Okay guys, I just wish you all the best.
For all the players you've got.
It's driving me up the wall
because you guys got so much going on,
which is great. You're one to say.
You literally have a lot going on.
I just stick my
ass down in this seat all the time.
I'm quite happy doing what I do.
To end the show, it's
Christmas time, people.
It's Christmas season and it's the most
beautiful time, the most wonderful
time of the year.
And now that I have the both of you
here on the show, we're going
to do a little Christmas song,
can? Yeah, I'm done.
To end the show, ladies and gentlemen,
people who are watching this, CHC,
we're going to do this little
song just for you for
the Christmas season.
On a side note,
a couple more episodes to go
before we end season two of the Chris
Hansen conversation.
And I'd like to say a very, very big
thank you to all of you.
We've seen such great growth
in YouTube and our subscribers
and thank you. Love you. Love you.
Deep, deep. Okay. Please continue to
enjoy the show and
share the show, please.
So this is our little Christmas
gift from Zee
Local, General Ling, and
Chris Hansen, the frog.
What? The frog.
Kai, Kai, Kai, Kai, say
hi, Kai.
Okay. And from Kai as well.
Kai says
I look like a frog. Okay.
So we're going to
do this little song for you guys. We hope you
enjoy it. We're going to have a beatboxer
on my right. I'm going to have a freestyler
on my left. And I hope we don't fuck
this up.
And
even if we do,
well, I'm not going to ask you to forgive us.
We tried.
Merry Christmas, everybody. Have a great
one this 2023.
And God bless you all. Here we go.
Sleigh bells ring, are you listening? In the lane, snow is glistening. A beautiful sight, we're happy tonight. Walking in a winter wonderland. Gone away is the bluebird, here to stay.
Here's the new bird. We sing our
song as we go along. Walking in a winter wonderland.
So,
we're back and walking in the winter wonderland.
The poem the trees
began on one half sleigh.
Santa flying over
so we got all the presents.
We got our loved ones
becoming together no matter where we just
can dream it. The mom, the farm,
and the
or wondering
merrier
Merry Christmas everybody!
Bye!
What the heck?
That's how you usually end a show, so yeah peace!
Merry Christmas everybody!