1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,400 Youth gang, youth slain, youth gang to be charged if found guilty, would be charged 2 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,680 for murder or something like that. 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,000 Then I saw their faces. 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:23,720 It was the same group of friends that I was supposed to meet at Centre Point that afternoon. 5 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:24,720 Wow. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,720 I broke out in cold sweat. 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:27,720 Wow. 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:34,680 You have a story to tell and just to let you know, the Chris Hansen conversation, you know, 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,320 we're kind of new and as we moved along, I realized that, you know, a couple of verticals 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,080 going on and I don't want to confuse people anymore. 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,920 So I have a few different series covering different things. 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,880 One of the crazy ones though, which I love very much is the one about UFOs and aliens 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,880 and ET and all that, you know. 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,440 And that one is called Euphora, short for UFO Reveal Asia. 15 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,440 Because you know Asians are into this hantu thing, you know. 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:02,440 The ghost thing. 17 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:07,400 The ghost thing and they don't really bother about what's happening in our skies maybe. 18 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,080 And I'm the first podcast to do that in Asia in the English medium. 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,880 Then we have some more. 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:18,600 A series called I Love My Job, which there are people out there who do jobs that people 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:24,640 don't think about or people who have transitioned from maybe from being an academic or being 22 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,960 someone holding a very high position to something that you do a trade, you know. 23 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:33,920 Not because they don't have a choice, but because they want to. 24 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:39,200 Then there's another series, the one that we are on right now for the Chris Hansen conversation. 25 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,120 This one today is called Shine a Light. 26 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,120 How Act. 27 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,120 Exactly. 28 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:51,600 So when I came up with this idea for Shine a Light, Shine a Light's purpose is to bring 29 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,440 inspiration to people. 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,720 Just through my guess, stories. 31 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:04,720 Stories that have some meaning, some challenge, some difficulties and how you overcame those 32 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,640 and to be where you are today, a good person. 33 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,520 And that if you can do it, so can many others. 34 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,880 That's the purpose for Shine a Light. 35 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:19,080 So I'm not all just about for my potty mouth linguistics. 36 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,400 I want to have some good out there because community has turned so cynical. 37 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,280 It's driving me up the wall. 38 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,400 So I want to spread a little bit more goodness. 39 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,560 So that's why you are here. 40 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,760 And the funny thing is, just so everyone here knows, welcome to the Chris Hansen conversation. 41 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:44,160 I've been chatting with my guest and he is a pastor. 42 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,120 I got a pastor in the studio. 43 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,120 Me. 44 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,280 Can you beat that? 45 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,440 Next season I'll have a Catholic priest I can tell you. 46 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:52,880 And I'm happy to have him here. 47 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,280 He has a story to tell. 48 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,760 He is Leon Chester Stewart. 49 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,240 Welcome to CCB TV. 50 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,960 Thank you Chris for having me here and everybody. 51 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:00,960 Hello. 52 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:01,960 Pleasure's all mine man. 53 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,840 Pleasure's all mine. 54 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,320 And you reached out to me some months ago. 55 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:08,320 Yep. 56 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:09,320 On Facebook. 57 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:10,320 Yeah. 58 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:11,800 And you asked me this question. 59 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,000 You asked me, do we know each other? 60 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Have we met? 61 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Right? 62 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,000 That's right. 63 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,000 Yep. 64 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,000 Yep. 65 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,000 And I had to, who's this guy man? 66 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,280 Then I went to check your profile and I took a look at your picture the way you look now 67 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,640 and I went, oh I don't think so right? 68 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:29,640 I just. 69 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:30,640 Yes I remember your reply. 70 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:31,640 Yeah. 71 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:32,640 I don't think we've met. 72 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:33,640 Yeah. 73 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:34,640 I don't think we've met. 74 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:40,240 And then when I came up with this idea for this series called Shine a Light, then I found 75 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:46,120 out about your story and I went, the first name that appeared in my head was yours. 76 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,280 I said I'm going to ask this guy man. 77 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:54,000 Then I checked with Bruce Matthew and he said yeah he's got a story to tell you. 78 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 You know? 79 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,000 And Bruce is a friend. 80 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000 Good old Bruce. 81 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,000 Good old Bruce. 82 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,000 Old friend. 83 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,000 Yeah. 84 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Yeah. 85 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,000 Yeah. 86 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,000 Bruce is a friend and Bruce told me yeah, yeah, yeah you should get him on the show. 87 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,000 And I said okay. 88 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,560 And then when I did my research on you and I came across this young picture of you, can 89 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:16,240 we put it up please Leroy? 90 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:17,240 That one. 91 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:18,240 Yeah. 92 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,240 And then guess what? 93 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,400 Immediately it hit me right in the face. 94 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,720 I said I know this dude. 95 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,080 I actually know this guy. 96 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,120 And then I remember a few things. 97 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,320 I don't know whether you recall some things. 98 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,360 Well go ahead and fire away. 99 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:33,360 Let's see if I can remember. 100 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:34,360 Okay. 101 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:35,360 At this age. 102 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,360 Hello Yoni, a year older than me. 103 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:38,360 Well not that bad. 104 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,440 We'll keep it all quiet for now. 105 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,040 I've told everybody to help. 106 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,520 All my episodes, all I have. 107 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,720 I remember Far East Plaza. 108 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,400 Back in the late 80s if I'm not mistaken. 109 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,480 In the early 90s. 110 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,640 I remember that dude. 111 00:04:58,640 --> 00:04:59,640 That picture. 112 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,960 That young picture of yours. 113 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:02,960 I remember that guy. 114 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:03,960 Lots of memories. 115 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:04,960 Lots of memories. 116 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:05,960 Trust me. 117 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:06,960 Yeah. 118 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:07,960 I looked at that photo. 119 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:08,960 Really? 120 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:09,960 Yeah. 121 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:10,960 And then you know what? 122 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:11,960 I remember this guy. 123 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:12,960 You were kind of broad. 124 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:13,960 Kind of intimidating. 125 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,600 But we never had an issue. 126 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,040 I've never had an issue with you. 127 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,040 You never had an issue with me. 128 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,040 No, no, no. 129 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,040 Yeah. 130 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,040 But it's so strange. 131 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,040 We didn't talk. 132 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,040 Nope. 133 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,040 Remember? 134 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,040 We see each other. 135 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,040 Yeah. 136 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,040 And you would go, hey. 137 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,040 And I would go, hey. 138 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,760 And then you would walk past and I would walk past. 139 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:31,760 Yeah. 140 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:32,760 And we'd do our own thing. 141 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:37,280 And you were always moving about, looking over your shoulder. 142 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:38,480 Yep. 143 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:44,880 And you were always looking for something or someone. 144 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,240 Yeah. 145 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,640 I remember that guy. 146 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:48,640 Yep. 147 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,200 And I've always told myself, wait a second. 148 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,640 Something's not right here. 149 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:59,600 So I, honest to goodness, my memory of you is something like that. 150 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:00,600 Maybe Woodstock. 151 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:01,600 Oh yeah. 152 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,600 On the rooftop. 153 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:03,600 The sixth floor of Far East Plaza. 154 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:04,600 Yeah. 155 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:05,600 That's right. 156 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:06,600 Yeah. 157 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:07,600 Yeah. 158 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:08,600 And the Y Pub. 159 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:09,600 Yes. 160 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,080 And then there was the Kiwi Pub also. 161 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,080 Yeah. 162 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,080 Y Pub, the late Traveler Bonnie face. 163 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,080 Yes. 164 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,080 Yep. 165 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:17,080 Right. 166 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:23,040 So I encountered you in a few spaces in that place, Far East Plaza, at a time when the 167 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,040 Far East kids were dying down. 168 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,040 Yeah. 169 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,040 It was dying down. 170 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,040 It was between 1983 to 1985. 171 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:37,640 Yeah, but I met you fleeting meets that is. 172 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:38,640 Yep. 173 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,560 I think about maybe 87, 86, 87. 174 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:43,560 Yeah. 175 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:44,560 So it was dovetailing. 176 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:45,560 Yeah. 177 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,560 The people that were hanging around there. 178 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:49,560 Yeah. 179 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,560 It was dovetailing at the time. 180 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,360 But you were still hanging around. 181 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:53,360 I was. 182 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,360 Yeah. 183 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:55,360 I remember that. 184 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:56,360 Okay. 185 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:02,600 But other than that, Leon, I don't know very much more. 186 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:03,600 Right. 187 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,200 And I'm glad that I don't because I'd like to hear it from you. 188 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,200 Sure. 189 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,720 The title for today's episode, and I hope you're not going to kill me for this. 190 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,600 I'm sure you won't. 191 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,640 It's that one from gangster to pastor. 192 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,040 That's fine. 193 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,400 You're cool with that? 194 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,280 I'm cool with that because that's the honest truth. 195 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:25,280 Okay. 196 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:26,280 Yeah. 197 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,280 Honestly. 198 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:28,280 Sure. 199 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,560 What were you like back then, man? 200 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,640 Well, I grew up in a good family. 201 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:39,640 My family was intact, mom, dad, my brothers. 202 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,640 Everything was okay. 203 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:48,680 We grew up, but it was tough because my father fell ill at a very young age when we were 204 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:49,680 little kids. 205 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,080 He had a couple of heart attacks. 206 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,080 Right. 207 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,080 And so he got really sick and he couldn't work. 208 00:07:54,080 --> 00:08:00,280 So my mom had to be the main breadwinner when we were kids, when we were in, I think, primary 209 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:01,280 school. 210 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,920 And I remember we had to actually get welfare, man. 211 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:05,920 Yeah. 212 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,320 We had to actually go on welfare. 213 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,560 Thank God for St. Vincent de Paul. 214 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:10,560 They helped us. 215 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:11,560 Right. 216 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:12,560 Yeah. 217 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:17,840 And I remember that we also had to get school books and pocket money from the school. 218 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,920 A lot of people came forward to help us because of the situation. 219 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:26,800 And because between my two other brothers and myself, I was the very curious one, the 220 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,920 one that's always like to try anything and everything. 221 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,660 And so I would be the very outstanding guy and I'd be doing a lot of stuff. 222 00:08:34,660 --> 00:08:39,280 And so I'll always get in trouble, always. 223 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,880 There was one incident that happened when I was about eight years old where I actually 224 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:50,240 destroyed, I literally destroyed my mom's fridge because I hung on the door and I swung 225 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,600 on the door and the whole fridge came down. 226 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,960 And she chased me around the house with a cleaver outside of the HDB block on the ground 227 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:57,960 floor. 228 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,200 We were staying in Margaret Drive back then. 229 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,160 The flats don't exist anymore. 230 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,200 So she chased me around the cleaver outside and the neighbors all came running out trying 231 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:05,200 to catch her. 232 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,200 Police cars came. 233 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:07,200 The old Volkswagen. 234 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:08,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 235 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:09,200 The old people. 236 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,200 The black and whites. 237 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,200 That's right. 238 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,800 They came around and I dashed back into the house. 239 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,400 I hid under the bed in the room and the cops had to basically tell my mom, put the cleaver 240 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,240 down, put the cleaver down, you know, that kind of thing. 241 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:24,160 And that was the start of me being too adventurous. 242 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:30,920 And eventually as we grew up, you know, my mom was always on my case, always comparing 243 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:36,960 me with other people, other friends or cousins, you know, why can't you be like that guy? 244 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,200 Why couldn't you, you know, do this and do that? 245 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:45,680 So I began to actually have a very bad relationship with my mom. 246 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:49,960 And so this went on for many years as I grew up. 247 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,800 We eventually moved to Bedok, not very far from here. 248 00:09:53,800 --> 00:10:01,240 And so anyway, yeah, and I think it was at the age of 12, my PSLE years, yeah, the year, 249 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:06,880 the first PSLE year where things really got out of hand, where I was actually not, you 250 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,280 know, really fooling around, you know, I was not a bad kid. 251 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,280 I was not. 252 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:16,640 I just that I was very curious and like I said, I like to do anything and try anything. 253 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:24,580 And so I remember in primary six, I met this guy, I'm going to keep his name quiet, right? 254 00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:27,560 Because he's passed on, you know, unfortunately. 255 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:32,760 Anyway, he introduced me to my first cigarette in the age of 12. 256 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,920 And I took a puff. 257 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,840 And I think that was the turning point. 258 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,320 I would say that was a turning point. 259 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,320 Why? 260 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:40,720 Because I kind of liked it. 261 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,520 And I began to buy my own cigarettes, you know, back those days, they used to have the 262 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:46,680 seven sticks in one pack. 263 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:47,680 Yep, seven sticks. 264 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:48,680 Lucky Strike. 265 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:49,680 That's right. 266 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:52,880 And then all the small little cigarettes, you know, and so yeah, we used to buy that. 267 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,160 And I think I didn't do very well. 268 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,360 I remember that year. 269 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:57,960 And I flopped my PSLE. 270 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:58,960 Which school are you from? 271 00:10:58,960 --> 00:10:59,960 St. Andrews. 272 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:01,080 I was in St. Andrews Junior School. 273 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,520 But you were living in Bedok. 274 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:04,520 That's right. 275 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,520 And you went all the way to Potong Basih. 276 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:07,520 Oh dear. 277 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:08,520 Yeah. 278 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,880 So anyway, so that was the beginning. 279 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:13,880 When I failed my PSLE. 280 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,920 Of course, my parents were really ballistic. 281 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,200 They had gone ballistic with me. 282 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:18,200 How can you fail? 283 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,120 You know, things like that. 284 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:25,280 But I had become so hardened already at such a young age. 285 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:30,280 And then I remember I retained in primary six to retake my PSLE. 286 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,280 And by then I was already 13. 287 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:33,280 Okay. 288 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:34,280 Right. 289 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,160 And that was my first foray into Faiz Plaza. 290 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,160 Wow. 291 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,760 What was very interesting. 292 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:45,440 If you can remember, there was this building that is next to the old Lido Theater. 293 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:46,440 The old Lido Theater. 294 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,280 I think it was called International Building. 295 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,280 Yes. 296 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:50,280 It's still there. 297 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:51,280 Yes. 298 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:52,280 Yeah. 299 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:53,280 There was a Burger King. 300 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:54,280 Yes. 301 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:55,280 At the basement. 302 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:56,280 Right. 303 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,280 Okay. 304 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,280 So I remember this friend of mine who introduced me to my first cigarette. 305 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:04,040 He says, hey, you got to follow me down on Saturday and come and meet a bunch of guys. 306 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,040 So I said, oh, okay. 307 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,160 You know, Saturday we don't go to school. 308 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:13,080 So I followed him down and I remember as clear as day walking into that place. 309 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,520 And in those days you could smoke in those restaurants. 310 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:16,520 Oh, hell yeah. 311 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:17,520 Yeah. 312 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:18,520 Right. 313 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:23,240 And I remember I'm sitting, going in and I was looking around and it was filled with 314 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:24,240 smoke. 315 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,840 And I saw this group of men, young men. 316 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,160 They were definitely older than me. 317 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,080 And so this guy, my friend brings me in. 318 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,680 He sits me down and he says, you sit here. 319 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:37,280 I'm going to introduce you to some people. 320 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:38,280 And I said, okay. 321 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,480 So I sat down and he introduced me to some of the guys. 322 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:46,320 And then he actually introduced me to the leader of this group. 323 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:47,320 All right. 324 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,200 Now I want to not say anything about what group this is. 325 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,200 Sure. 326 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,200 But it was a secret society. 327 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,200 Right. 328 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,200 Which I didn't know back then. 329 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,200 Okay. 330 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,200 Because I was so new and so. 331 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,200 You were only 13. 332 00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,200 Yeah, exactly. 333 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,960 So what happened was I met this guy. 334 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:01,960 All right. 335 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,360 He goes by the name of Mike. 336 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:04,360 Okay. 337 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,760 And then he introduced me, I know, introduces himself to me. 338 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:07,760 He's tall. 339 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:08,760 He's big. 340 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,280 And he says, okay, you're going to hang with me today. 341 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:11,600 We got to go over the Far East Plaza. 342 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,240 Do you know where Far East Plaza is? 343 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:14,880 I said, no, I don't know where it is. 344 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:15,880 You know? 345 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:21,480 So anyway, I remember sitting at this booth in the Burger King. 346 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:22,480 Right. 347 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:28,600 And there were these machetes hidden in the booth. 348 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:29,600 Yeah. 349 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:30,600 In the booth like this. 350 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:31,600 They could slot it behind. 351 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:32,600 Slot it behind. 352 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:33,600 Yeah. 353 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:34,600 And I was really naive. 354 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:40,400 And I said, what are machetes doing in a booth? 355 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,440 Before I know it, they had gathered it and they were actually going to Far East Plaza. 356 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:45,440 For a gang clash. 357 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,000 Yeah, for a gang clash, for a fight. 358 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,000 Right. 359 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,280 And I remember this guy, Mike, he held my hand. 360 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,440 He says, you're going to stick by my side all the way. 361 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,640 And we used the, there was this underpass that was, we were able to get across. 362 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:58,640 Yeah. 363 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,280 Where the, it was called Tang, CK Tangs back then. 364 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,280 CK Tang, yeah. 365 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:03,280 That's right. 366 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,280 And we walked to Far East Plaza. 367 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:05,280 We sat outside. 368 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,280 It was Wendy's restaurant back then. 369 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:08,280 Yeah. 370 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,280 With these steel chairs and all that. 371 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:11,280 Yeah. 372 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:17,320 And so I remember within a couple of minutes as we stood there, the fight broke out. 373 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,760 And I was just standing there and I was watching people running up and down and things being 374 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,200 thrown at each other. 375 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:29,780 I didn't see the weapons at all, but I remember seeing a guy getting beaten up and I froze. 376 00:14:29,780 --> 00:14:35,000 As I stood there as a 13 year old, I froze and I saw the amount of violence that was 377 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:40,960 happening, you know, and the strange thing was as much as I froze, I kind of enjoyed 378 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:41,960 it. 379 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,200 It was really, really dark, really weird. 380 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,720 I stood there and says, wow, you know, and Mike looks at me and says, you don't go anywhere. 381 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,360 You just stay here by my side. 382 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:57,060 Of course I was, I was panicky inside and I was like really frightened, but he gave 383 00:14:57,060 --> 00:14:58,920 me this assurance, you know. 384 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:05,120 And true enough, his gang over, you know, basically they overcame the other gang and 385 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,120 they all ran helter skelter. 386 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,280 And so his gang was left behind. 387 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,400 And then we just walked away. 388 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,480 We literally just walked away. 389 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,100 Now I won't go into great detail of what happened, but it was bloodshed. 390 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:22,280 No one died, but it was bloodshed because I saw a few of the victims from the other 391 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,200 gang got cuts and all that kind of stuff. 392 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:30,880 And I remember we walked all the way down to Newton Circus, the hawker center. 393 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:35,240 And this Mike and his, and his, and his, I think his right hand and his left hand man, 394 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,440 they bought a round of beers for all these men, you know, and I, and I, and I just, again, 395 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,520 sat with him and he looked at me and says, so you ready? 396 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,040 And I was like, ready for what? 397 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,560 You know, you're ready to be part of us. 398 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,520 So I said, can I think about it? 399 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:52,160 Because you know, I'm only 13 and then my friend who brought me there, he was also at 400 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:57,000 the table and Mike told him, he says, you bring this guy, this young man home. 401 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,800 And so we walked away and we went back home. 402 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:07,600 But that incident, I think sort of crafted the path ahead because somehow there was this 403 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,680 sort of drawing power in her. 404 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:11,680 Some glorification. 405 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:12,680 Yeah. 406 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:13,680 You know, and it felt good. 407 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,440 It's a real dark thing to feel, you know? 408 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:22,360 And I remember a week later we went back again to Far East Plaza and Mike was there and the 409 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:23,360 rest of the guys. 410 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,600 And so they asked me, you know, you want to hang with us? 411 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,120 You want to be with us? 412 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:28,120 And I said, yeah, sure. 413 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:33,400 You know, if you don't mind, you said, of course, you know, and the more I, the more 414 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:41,440 I hung out with them, the more I saw the power, I would say power inverted commas that they 415 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:47,280 carried, the strength that they carried and it felt good, you know, being with them. 416 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,800 And that's where I guess I became very egotistical. 417 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:57,480 Sort of I felt this bravado within me to like, you know, anyone can come and try me kind 418 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:58,480 of thing. 419 00:16:58,480 --> 00:16:59,480 And I became very daring. 420 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,600 And at the same time, I became very rebellious. 421 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,960 Then listen to mom. 422 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,640 Dad was really not well and that was easy with me because that was really nice to me. 423 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:15,120 I mean, in this condition, he I guess he knew that his time was coming soon, stuff like 424 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:16,120 that, you know. 425 00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:21,600 Well, anyway, he hung on for a pretty long time until I was 21 before he passed on. 426 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:28,440 But by then, I know he just didn't have a say to keep up with the action that I was 427 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:29,440 involved in. 428 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,200 But mom was always in my case until I won't come back home at night. 429 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:38,000 And I remember at the age when I was 13, came 14 years old. 430 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:43,600 I remember I walked into the principal's office and I said, I'm done studying. 431 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,280 Yeah, I just walked in. 432 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:46,440 I didn't even knock his door. 433 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:51,640 I walked in and he was stunned, you know, and he said, you know, you can't do that. 434 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:52,640 I need to call your parents. 435 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,640 I said, I'll go ahead and call them. 436 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:55,800 I can't give a damn. 437 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,440 Go ahead, you know. 438 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,600 And I was so steep in in the gang. 439 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:06,640 I mean, I was so deep in it that I had actually sort of booked myself up where they consider 440 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,360 me a fighter. 441 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:12,440 Where if there was a if there was a fight that's going to take place, you'll be activated. 442 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:13,960 Yeah, that kind of thing. 443 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,240 When you left school, when he went into the principal's office, were you with secondary 444 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:19,240 one? 445 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:20,800 Yeah, I was in secondary. 446 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,000 I was in secondary two as I had retained. 447 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,040 I also retained again in secondary school. 448 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,040 Right. 449 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,040 Yeah. 450 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,720 And by then I lost my interest in studying. 451 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:35,640 And so I remember towards the end of being 14, the end of that year. 452 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,320 That's when I walked in and I says, no, I'm to hell with studying. 453 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,240 You know, it broke my mom's heart. 454 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:41,360 I remember she broke down. 455 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:43,080 She cried and found the principal's office. 456 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,480 But by then, my heart was so hard like a rock. 457 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,000 And I didn't really care about anyone but just myself. 458 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,320 And so anyway, I left school and I continued with this gang. 459 00:18:54,320 --> 00:19:00,760 I continued doing a lot of things, going around and progressing in fights. 460 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:01,760 And then girls came. 461 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,960 When power comes to women, you know. 462 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,680 But at such a young age, I had a lot of girls who came around me, you know. 463 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:09,680 At 14? 464 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:10,680 Yes. 465 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:11,680 Oh, wow. 466 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:12,680 Yeah. 467 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:17,840 And so I remember, I mean, it was really, really crazy. 468 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:23,000 School girls, I won't mention which school, but they will be coming up to me and trying 469 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,320 to be frisky and stuff like that. 470 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:29,240 At such a young age, it was really, I was really on the path of destruction. 471 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:36,000 I think I was just so enveloped in this power and this glory that I had, you know. 472 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,040 So many people were afraid of me at such a young age. 473 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:47,160 And then unfortunately, I remember there was a major fight in center, not center point, 474 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:53,280 in Far East Plaza where everyone, Mike and all, just ran. 475 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,360 It was really huge because there was a lot of bloodshed. 476 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:57,800 It was another fight that took place. 477 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:02,480 And I remember it was so bad that we were carrying pages back then. 478 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,120 And a message came into the pager. 479 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:07,440 It was a code which says, lie low, don't come out. 480 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,820 We wouldn't know when we looked at the number, you know. 481 00:20:09,820 --> 00:20:16,640 And so I remember we took cover and we stayed away from FISE for a bit because by then, 482 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,960 there was this huge operations that the, you know, the, what do you call it? 483 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:20,960 The ANGCIA, the Red? 484 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:21,960 Yeah, yeah. 485 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:22,960 Yeah, yeah. 486 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:23,960 Which is the SOC they call it now. 487 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:24,960 Yeah. 488 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:25,960 The Black Maria basically. 489 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:26,960 That's right, yeah. 490 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,440 They were running and they were running up all these secret society members and stuff 491 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,440 like that. 492 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:31,760 So I remember lying low. 493 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:32,760 Right. 494 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:33,760 Really low. 495 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:43,080 But unfortunately, by then, I think it was 1985, 86, yeah, 85. 496 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,920 Where I had to find a job because I had left school, you know, and I didn't do anything. 497 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:52,480 So I worked for a family and they were good. 498 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,160 They were fiberglass boat makers. 499 00:20:55,160 --> 00:21:00,240 And I didn't have any proper educational qualifications because I left in secondary too, you know. 500 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,240 I retained. 501 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,040 And so I remember working for this family and that was the first time I was exposed 502 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,040 to drugs. 503 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,040 Yeah. 504 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,040 With this family? 505 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,040 Yeah. 506 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,040 No way. 507 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,040 Yeah, yeah. 508 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,400 The sort of people that hire you as a family. 509 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,400 Yes. 510 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,640 And the sons were the ones I was working with. 511 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,440 And yeah, so they introduced me to marijuana. 512 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,280 And then I got really hooked into it. 513 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,280 Okay. 514 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,280 At the age of 15. 515 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,520 And I started popping pills and trying everything and anything under the sun. 516 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:35,120 And it just carried on right through even to the army. 517 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:36,120 Yeah. 518 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:43,320 But anyway, coming back to 1985, 86, 87, a very interesting thing happened in 1987. 519 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,840 I'm not sure if you can remember this. 520 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,760 It was in the news. 521 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:47,760 Centerpoint murder. 522 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:48,760 Oh. 523 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:49,760 Yeah. 524 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,760 Oh yeah, I do. 525 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:51,760 Okay. 526 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:52,760 Very much so. 527 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:53,760 Well, let me just have a sip of your coffee. 528 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:54,760 Well, let me tell you. 529 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:55,760 Well, let me forget, man. 530 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:56,760 None of us forgot that. 531 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:57,760 Yeah. 532 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:58,760 So 1987. 533 00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:59,760 Yeah. 534 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,000 By then, I had joined another gang. 535 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,000 Okay. 536 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,200 Because I lost track of the rest of the guys. 537 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,000 They all went to hiding because of this big fight. 538 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Right. 539 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,320 So for many years, from 85, 86, it was, I don't know where these guys had gone. 540 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,160 So you mean Mike and all? 541 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,160 Yeah, Mike and... 542 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,160 They disappeared? 543 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,160 Yeah, they disappeared. 544 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,160 Off the grid? 545 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,160 Until today. 546 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,160 Huh? 547 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,160 Yes. 548 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,160 No way. 549 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,160 Yes. 550 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,160 Until today, I do not know where they are. 551 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,160 Until today. 552 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,160 They disappeared? 553 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,160 Yes. 554 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,160 Wow. 555 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,160 Yeah. 556 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,160 Now it's 2023. 557 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,160 Yeah, huh. 558 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,160 I do not know where they are until today. 559 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,160 There were six of them. 560 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,160 The main guys of the group. 561 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,160 Really. 562 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,160 So there must have been really something bad, right? 563 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,160 Yeah. 564 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,280 Really, really something bad because there's no trace of them, you know, and back then, 565 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,320 you have no social media, so you can't track them. 566 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:42,320 Yeah. 567 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,320 And we didn't have handphones back then. 568 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,320 Right. 569 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,720 So I remember, yeah, lying low, really bad. 570 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,640 And then in 1987, a very interesting thing happened just before the Centerpoint murder. 571 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:53,640 Right. 572 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:54,640 I was at home. 573 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:55,640 All right. 574 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,600 And I was about to go out and meet this new bunch of guys, friends that I've made, and 575 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,960 they're also from the gangs. 576 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,320 And it was a Saturday morning. 577 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,040 And so I remember putting my shoes on. 578 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,040 And it was a HDB flat, regular HDB flat, front door facing. 579 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,920 And I got up. 580 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,200 Just about to go. 581 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,680 My mom comes right in front of the door. 582 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,120 She stands with her hands right across the door, blocking the door, and she says, you 583 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:23,960 are not getting out of this house. 584 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,960 So I said, Mom, you have never grounded me before. 585 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,520 Why are you doing it now? 586 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:32,600 She says, I'm telling you, you're not leaving this house right now. 587 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,400 So I said, why? 588 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,560 Because God told me so. 589 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,360 And I was like, what? 590 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:43,480 Now my mom has been a Christian for a long time. 591 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:44,480 Okay. 592 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,160 So it's like the devil and God living in the house. 593 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,280 Me the devil, my mom God. 594 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,280 Okay. 595 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,560 So she did exactly. 596 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,720 She said that she went, she went, God told me. 597 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,120 And I was like, huh? 598 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:00,800 What do you mean God told you? 599 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:05,220 You know, she says, yes, God told me not to let you out the house. 600 00:24:05,220 --> 00:24:08,360 So of course I got very angry. 601 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:15,480 And I just scolded her with all sorts of expletives, English, Hokkien, Malay, the works, you know. 602 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,680 And she just stood there. 603 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,480 And she said, if you are going to leave this house, it is over my dead body. 604 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,080 Of course I was not going to kill my mom. 605 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,080 Okay. 606 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:32,760 Well, thankfully I got so angry with her that I stomped off into my bedroom, slammed the 607 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,680 door, blasted my music, took out my cigarettes and you know, just puffed away. 608 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,320 And I was just so angry, but I knew I couldn't do anything because that's one way out. 609 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,320 Right. 610 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:44,320 So I stayed in that room. 611 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,320 All right. 612 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,880 And I stayed there the rest of the day and then of course I came out later on in the 613 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,160 evening, you know, and then just did my own thing within the house. 614 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,680 And she did not let me go out at all. 615 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,880 She really literally took the house keys and I really couldn't leave the house. 616 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,140 So anyway, that was a Saturday. 617 00:25:00,140 --> 00:25:03,300 So I'm thinking to myself, oh man, how am I going to meet these guys? 618 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:05,040 Because I told him I'll meet them at Centerpoint. 619 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,040 Right. 620 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,040 Okay. 621 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,040 We were supposed to meet at I think 1pm. 622 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,040 Right. 623 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,440 So Saturday came, gone. 624 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,000 Sunday came and gone. 625 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,440 Monday came and gone. 626 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,440 Tuesday came and gone. 627 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,480 And I remember it was a Wednesday and I was sitting down in the hall and my parents, they 628 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:29,040 subscribed to the straight slimes and I brought the papers in and when I flipped it open, 629 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,600 I got a shock of my life. 630 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,680 Huge print. 631 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,720 It said something like in bold, like, you know, in bold letters, it said something like 632 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:48,080 youth gang, youth slain, youth gang to be charged if found guilty, will be charged for 633 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,480 murder or something like that. 634 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:50,480 Right. 635 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,560 Then I saw their faces. 636 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:59,120 It was the same group of friends that I was supposed to meet at Centerpoint that afternoon. 637 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:00,120 Wow. 638 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:01,960 I broke out in cold sweat. 639 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:02,960 Wow. 640 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:03,960 Yeah. 641 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,720 I was really stunned and I remember my mom was at the office and I called my mom over 642 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,800 the home phone and I said, mom, did you see the newspapers this morning? 643 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:13,800 Yeah. 644 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:14,800 She says, yes, I did. 645 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,440 And I know that those are your friends because she has met them before. 646 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,440 Right. 647 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:25,040 And I remember I just went silent on the phone and then she says, are you there? 648 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,040 I said, yes, mom, I'm here. 649 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:34,280 As she said, I told you, God told me not to let you out of the house. 650 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,600 Do you understand? 651 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:37,640 And I couldn't answer her. 652 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,920 I was dumbstruck because a lot was going on in my mind. 653 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:48,640 I mean, God spoke to her to tell her not to let me out of the house. 654 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,440 And then I see these guys in the papers. 655 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:51,440 Right. 656 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,040 And I just couldn't accept it. 657 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,040 I was so defiant. 658 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,040 I told mom, I said, no, this is rubbish. 659 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,040 This is pure rubbish. 660 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,600 How can God tell you what's going to happen? 661 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,160 That was how dark and how hardened I'd become. 662 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,160 Right. 663 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,000 And she says, well, I told you so, son. 664 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,720 You just have to listen. 665 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,560 And I remember I just hung up the phone without saying bye to her. 666 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,040 And I was so defiant. 667 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,280 I had to find my way out to go and see these guys. 668 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:22,040 So I decided to leave the house and I was trying to see who I can reach out to to find 669 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,960 out what's going on. 670 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,640 And then I remember I had a page on my pager of a number. 671 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,400 I had to return the call to this number. 672 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,080 And it was one of my friends, another friend who knew this group. 673 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,480 And he says, listen, don't go out. 674 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,200 Stay at home, lie low, because you're part of that gang. 675 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,200 Anything can happen. 676 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,200 But I said, but I was not there. 677 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,800 He says, no, but they can always implicate and say, you know, things. 678 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:43,800 You have a solid alibi. 679 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,800 Yeah. 680 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:45,800 But I said, yeah, exactly. 681 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,680 I said, I was at home, you know, and I got proof. 682 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,320 Then he said, whatever it is, just stay away. 683 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,400 You know, so he hung up the phone. 684 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,720 And that was 1987. 685 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,920 And that thing happened. 686 00:27:54,920 --> 00:28:00,440 And I remember I just decided to, I was actually quite frightened. 687 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,760 I actually went, okay, this is murder. 688 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,520 This is, you don't play a fool. 689 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,640 You know, this is getting serious. 690 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,320 And here my mom thought that things would change for the better. 691 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,120 I saw a wake up, you know, and, and, and. 692 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:12,120 You mean you didn't? 693 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:13,120 No, man. 694 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:14,120 Oh, come on. 695 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:15,120 Yeah. 696 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,840 So anyway, national service, national service came a calling, right? 697 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,680 National service came a calling. 698 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:26,920 And I remember, went into the army and I had the best time of my life in the army because 699 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:35,120 I was one of the very rare enlistees of national service that served my whole two years, just 700 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:40,440 playing rugby for the Singapore Armed Forces Sports Association, SAFSA. 701 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,680 Yeah, exactly. 702 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,120 I played for army formation. 703 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,120 Ah, okay. 704 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,120 Okay. 705 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,560 So, so I was very blessed in that way. 706 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,080 So but, you know, I was still downhill in national service. 707 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,640 I was still smoking dope. 708 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,320 You were, but there would have been regular urine checks and stuff. 709 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,320 Yeah, but I don't know. 710 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,160 Because I was never in the unit, I was always out. 711 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,160 Oh, no wonder. 712 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,320 Yeah, I did a lot of rubbish in the army. 713 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,760 I was still, I was still very much involved in fights and the gangs and all that kind 714 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:09,760 of stuff. 715 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:10,760 Yeah. 716 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,560 And then, you know, it just, it just escalated. 717 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,400 I carried on in the army. 718 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,040 I already finished my army in 1990. 719 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:25,000 I went out working, but I was still doping and I was living a life of the prodigal son, 720 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,000 really, literally. 721 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,560 I was partying every night. 722 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,560 I was drunk, falling down, stupid, doing a lot of things. 723 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,520 At Hard Rock Cafe. 724 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,360 Everywhere, you know, everywhere. 725 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,640 I was stealing motorcycles to get the joyride to go home. 726 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,880 Yeah, like I'm so drunk, you know, and I don't have cab fare because I've blown up my money 727 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,880 on booze. 728 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:44,880 Yeah. 729 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,880 Look for some motorcycle. 730 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,880 Right. 731 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,880 I've got a hot wire, the bike, you know, things like that, and then fall over the bike, you 732 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:50,880 know. 733 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,160 So I did a lot of rubbish during that period of time, I remember, after the army. 734 00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,000 And then I remember I got a really good job in 1992. 735 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,000 Yeah. 736 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,000 Working with crocodiles. 737 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,000 Hang on a second. 738 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,000 Can we put that one up, please? 739 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,000 Check that one out. 740 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,000 Yeah, that's me and Mr. Crocodile. 741 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,000 So you're working on a crocodile, on a crocodile farm. 742 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,000 Yeah, in Jurong. 743 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,000 In Jurong. 744 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,000 It was called the Jurong Crocodile Paradise. 745 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 746 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,000 Yeah. 747 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,000 So I was working on a crocodile farm. 748 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,000 Yeah. 749 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,000 So I was working on a crocodile farm, in Jurong. 750 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,000 In Jurong. 751 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,000 It was called the Jurong Crocodile Paradise. 752 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 753 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000 I remember that one. 754 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000 Yeah. 755 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,000 So I remember saw this small little ad in the papers, real tiny little ad in straight 756 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,000 time. 757 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,000 Right. 758 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,000 Looking for, and I remember, crocodile performer. 759 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,000 I was like, crocodile performer? 760 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,520 You mean a crocodile can perform? 761 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,120 English is pretty bad here. 762 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,960 I think they're looking for someone to work with crocodiles. 763 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,560 But anyway, I give them a call and they ask me to come down. 764 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,560 Right. 765 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,280 So I came for the interview and then I found out what it was all about. 766 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,840 You basically were a wrangler. 767 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,760 You work in the crocodile farm. 768 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:44,760 You look after them. 769 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:45,760 You feed them. 770 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:46,760 You're like a zookeeper. 771 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:47,760 Right. 772 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,960 But then they also had what they call the crocodile show. 773 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,960 Okay. 774 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:51,960 And I didn't know what that was. 775 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,960 And then so I sat down, I remember, and they showed me a video of the show. 776 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,680 I was like, wow. 777 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,920 You mean you get to actually literally do shows. 778 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,040 You dance with them. 779 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,880 You put your head in their mouths, you know, things like that. 780 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,200 And you walk on top of them. 781 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,160 So it was like, I mean, I'm an adrenaline junkie. 782 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,760 So when I saw that, I was like, oh, this looks cool. 783 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:11,760 You know, this is, yeah. 784 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:19,240 So I accepted the job and I remember, yeah, and then I began working there and I was still 785 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:24,280 doing my, I was still doping on the site, you know, I became quiet. 786 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,600 And then I remember I was so bold and I spoke to one of the guys there. 787 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,960 I said, hey, you guys, have you ever smoked marijuana before? 788 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,080 Then he looks around and oh, he's like, you got? 789 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,880 So, man, you know, and that was the start of another season. 790 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,880 Right. 791 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,880 So these colleagues of mine, we were blowing stuff off every other day. 792 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,680 We were getting so stoned going and doing these shows with the crocodiles. 793 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,920 I mean, we were flying, you know, and then we will buy Chinese rice wine, you know, and 794 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,080 then we'll drink, you know, they call it bonkilo. 795 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,080 That's right. 796 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,080 Bonkilo. 797 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,160 So it's like this Chinese rice wine, then we'll drink it, get so high, we'll smoke 798 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,160 and we started taking tablets and so we were flying. 799 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,320 You guys were still working with the crocodiles. 800 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,320 Yes. 801 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,280 Going into their pens, catching them. 802 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,200 Sometimes you have to transfer them from one sector to another sector. 803 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,200 Yeah. 804 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,680 And you're stoned and you're doing that? 805 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:16,680 Yes. 806 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,680 Wow. 807 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,680 Yeah. 808 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,680 So it was nuts, man. 809 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,680 Yeah, it was really nuts. 810 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,680 And so that was 1992, I remember, 1992. 811 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,680 Oh, that was a crazy year. 812 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,680 But there's a glint in your eye when you talk about this, you know. 813 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,680 Yeah. 814 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:32,720 I mean, it brings back crazy memories, you know, it brings back crazy memories. 815 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,440 It was really, it was actually a very egotistical job. 816 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,440 You know why? 817 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,720 Because the Japanese tourists, the girls, the Europeans, you know, they would come around 818 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,720 and say, oh, you're so brave. 819 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,400 And they were like, oh, okay, Tarzan's here, that's Jane, you know. 820 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,480 Yeah, I mean, we had that kind of really, really egotistical attitude, you know. 821 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,400 And I mean, of course, we made a lot of friends with these girls. 822 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,400 Yeah, pretty sure. 823 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,400 We went out, we partied. 824 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,840 It was really crazy. 825 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,840 Yeah. 826 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,760 And so we carried on doing this and that was all the way. 827 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:10,360 I remember in January of 1993, where my heart stopped, not physically. 828 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,360 Okay. 829 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,480 I was captured by my now wife. 830 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:15,480 Yeah. 831 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:22,960 So anyway, what was very interesting was in 1993, I met my wife literally at the front 832 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,040 door of my mom's home. 833 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:30,000 I tell you why, because my younger brother, he had a girlfriend back then. 834 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,520 And they were good friends from primary school. 835 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,140 My wife and this girl. 836 00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:39,520 And so my younger brother was visiting my mom's place that particular evening with this 837 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,240 girlfriend of his. 838 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:46,400 And so my wife, they made contact after, I think, a very long time, I think since primary 839 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,520 school, they decided to meet. 840 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,880 And so she invited my wife to come over to my mom's home. 841 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,240 And I was there at my mom's home also. 842 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,080 And so that's why my younger brother went to pick her up from the Bedok MRT station and 843 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,380 brought her back home. 844 00:33:59,380 --> 00:34:03,200 So I was sitting down in the hall, just chilling on my mom after dinner. 845 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,120 And my wife stands at the door and I go like, stop the press. 846 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,120 Who's that? 847 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,120 You know? 848 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,120 Yeah. 849 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,760 So I mean, I do believe it was love at first sight. 850 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:13,760 I do believe it was love at first sight. 851 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:14,760 Sounds like it. 852 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:15,760 Yeah. 853 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,760 Because I was like, wow, who is this chick? 854 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,760 You know? 855 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:18,760 And so anyway, yeah. 856 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,360 And so anyway, so that was 1993. 857 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,400 And it was a whirlwind romance. 858 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,320 Within six months, we got married. 859 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,320 Okay. 860 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,320 And we were dating. 861 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,360 And in 1993, you must have been 24. 862 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,360 Yeah, that's right. 863 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,360 And she was 20. 864 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,360 Okay. 865 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,320 Who incidentally, I know your brother-in-law. 866 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,320 He stayed over in my house, my mother's house, for a particular year. 867 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,320 Oh, okay. 868 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,320 Okay. 869 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,840 Well, guess what? 870 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,400 His sister is the one I married. 871 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,400 Yeah, well, I kind of... 872 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,400 Oh, wow. 873 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,400 It was like really crazy. 874 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,880 Because we were classmates also. 875 00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,880 Okay. 876 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:00,880 Yeah. 877 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,280 And so he wasn't too happy that I was hooking up with his sister. 878 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,360 I mean, that was many years ago anyway. 879 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:12,160 So yeah, so anyway, when she met me, eventually she found out I was doping and stuff like 880 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,640 that, you know? 881 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,640 And I think she liked... 882 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,120 The reason why she wasn't so bothered back then was because number one, she was young. 883 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,320 She was 20. 884 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,080 And this is what she told me, right? 885 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,360 This is what she told me. 886 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,960 She said that she kind of liked my long hair. 887 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:28,960 I had hair back then. 888 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:29,960 She liked my long hair. 889 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:30,960 Okay, hang on, hang on. 890 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,480 Can we put up the one with the bike? 891 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,480 People got to see this, man. 892 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,840 Because right now, everyone's seeing him without hair. 893 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,600 And I see that's Leon Stewart on his Harley Davidson. 894 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,600 Yeah. 895 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,600 That's not mine actually. 896 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,600 That's my brother's Harley. 897 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,600 My other brother's Harley. 898 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,600 It's not one that you actually stole, right? 899 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,760 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 900 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,320 So anyway, yeah, so anyway, yeah, so she said she liked me because of my hair and stuff 901 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,320 like that. 902 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,200 So anyway, I think it was also probably she liked my looks. 903 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,320 Well, whatever it is. 904 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,320 Yeah. 905 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,600 Now, obviously, we got married very young. 906 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:12,440 And I remember at that time, I didn't know this, but the Central Narcotics Bureau were 907 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,920 on to me. 908 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,680 Oh, yeah. 909 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:22,720 Apparently they were sort of, they had a sting operation watching me and a few others, but 910 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,840 I was like the main guy they were looking at. 911 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:25,840 Right. 912 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:33,520 So anyway, I remember, at that point in time, they had taken a lot of photographs. 913 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:39,280 They visited the crocodile farm and they took lots of photos of me and the rest of the guys. 914 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,440 So that was 1992. 915 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:48,000 So for many years, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, all the way to 97. 916 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,680 So I was still doing a lot of stuff. 917 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:50,720 I left the farm. 918 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:55,800 I left the farm in 1996 because things were not doing too well. 919 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,600 The economy had affected the crocodile farm and they were going bust slowly. 920 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:00,600 Yeah. 921 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:01,600 Which they eventually did. 922 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,600 Yeah, they eventually did. 923 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,600 So I remember I was offered another job in logistics. 924 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:11,120 And so I left the farm and I moved to this company somewhere in Clementi and I was working 925 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,200 logistics in the warehouse. 926 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,880 And I didn't know that the Central Narcotics Bureau was still tracking me. 927 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,880 For so many years. 928 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,880 Yeah, for so many years. 929 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,880 They were tracking me. 930 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:26,040 And finally it came, what happened was in 1997 while I was at work, phone call came 931 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,600 in in the office. 932 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,720 And the phone call was basically my wife on the phone, very hysterical. 933 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:35,720 She was screaming at me. 934 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:39,000 She says, the central, the CNB, the CNB, they're in our house right now. 935 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,000 They're in our house right now. 936 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,000 I said, huh? 937 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,720 Yes, you brought this shit upon us. 938 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:45,640 They are there now in my house. 939 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,120 And then she slammed the phone down. 940 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:53,400 And I just broke out in cold sweat again. 941 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,000 So the murder thing years ago, I got away. 942 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,800 So this time around, okay, now CNB, that kind of thing. 943 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,560 And I remember I rushed out of the office. 944 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,760 I told my boss, I said, I got to rush back home. 945 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,760 I have family emergencies. 946 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:07,760 I just go. 947 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:08,760 And I was riding a motorcycle. 948 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:09,880 So I jumped on my bike. 949 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,640 I sped all the way back home. 950 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,120 And then I parked my bike away from my block at a distance. 951 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,120 By then I had moved to Woodlands. 952 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,320 I was staying in the Woodlands. 953 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,920 And I remember being all stealthy, looking out and making sure there's no one around. 954 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:32,320 And then I remember as I was looking around, I just want to make sure that there's no unmarked 955 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,440 vehicles and stuff like that around police and all that. 956 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,440 And I went to- 957 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,440 So you're nice and spacey with this QX, right? 958 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:38,440 Yeah, exactly. 959 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,080 And then I went to scour the whole car park just to make sure. 960 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,680 And finally, I think after an hour, I decided to go up to my home. 961 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,040 And when I went up, my mom-in-law was at home and she opened the door. 962 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,040 She said, hey, hi, Leon. 963 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,560 Hey, there were a bunch of people that were here looking for you. 964 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,080 So I said, oh, what do they look like? 965 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,080 Oh, they flashed their police pass at me. 966 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,040 So, okay, how many of them? 967 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,320 There were five of them. 968 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,720 So I said, okay, what did they do? 969 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:07,320 They said they wanted to come in and look for stuff. 970 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,360 I'm not sure what stuff they're looking at. 971 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:17,640 So in my heart, I was so scared because I actually had some stuff in my room, in my 972 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:18,640 bedroom. 973 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,640 Right. 974 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,460 And I knew exactly where I'd put it. 975 00:39:21,460 --> 00:39:24,960 So anyway, I went into the bedroom. 976 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,440 I looked at the cupboard, my wardrobe and I went, oh, please be there. 977 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,440 Please be there. 978 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:37,560 So I put my hand on top of the wardrobe and I was like, oh, the stuff was still there. 979 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:38,560 Right. 980 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,280 And then I went, hang on a minute. 981 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,760 If they came to search the house. 982 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,360 How come they didn't find it in the most obvious location? 983 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,360 Exactly. 984 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,360 Right. 985 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,080 So I asked my mom-in-law, I said, did you bring them into the room? 986 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,080 Yes. 987 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,080 Where were you standing? 988 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,360 I said, where you're standing right now? 989 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,320 They asked me to stand there and they climbed on top of the wardrobe. 990 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,320 I said, they climbed? 991 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,040 Yes, they did. 992 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,280 And what happened after that? 993 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,280 They came down. 994 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,280 I said, okay. 995 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,280 And then, then they went to your toilet, they checked the system. 996 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,600 They checked your bamboo holders on the outside. 997 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,680 They checked the main bathroom, the toilet. 998 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:16,680 They checked everywhere. 999 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,680 Right. 1000 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:18,680 And then what happened? 1001 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,680 But then they said nothing. 1002 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,640 They just gave me this name card and said, when you get back home to give them a call. 1003 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,920 Now, come on. 1004 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:28,920 How can they not? 1005 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,840 This is our police force. 1006 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:31,840 Yeah. 1007 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,840 They are so good. 1008 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:34,960 Yeah. 1009 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,720 I just didn't register. 1010 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:39,400 How can they miss this out? 1011 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,400 It was a package. 1012 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,400 Yeah. 1013 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,400 All right. 1014 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,960 A package like, you know, the rolling cigarettes, the tobacco. 1015 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:46,960 Yeah. 1016 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:47,960 Yeah. 1017 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:48,960 That kind of package. 1018 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:49,960 Yeah. 1019 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:50,960 The drum. 1020 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:51,960 That's right. 1021 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:52,960 Yeah. 1022 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:53,960 Yeah. 1023 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:54,960 How can they not see it? 1024 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,440 But anyway, I remember I took the card from my mom-in-law and I called the police officer 1025 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,960 and I gave him my, oh, I gave him a mouthful. 1026 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:02,440 It's a stupid thing to do. 1027 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,360 I even said, you want me to do a urine test, I'll come down, you know. 1028 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,360 I was so arrogant. 1029 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,360 Yes. 1030 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,360 I was so dumb. 1031 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:09,360 It was ridiculous, you know. 1032 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,360 Yeah. 1033 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,360 And I was high. 1034 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,360 Because. 1035 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,040 Oh, when you called, you were high. 1036 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,040 Yeah. 1037 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,040 Because I'm always, I'm always smoking. 1038 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,040 Right. 1039 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,040 I'm always hitting. 1040 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,040 So I, yeah. 1041 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,040 So I know. 1042 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,080 So basically it was rubbish coming out of my mouth. 1043 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,080 Right. 1044 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,360 You know, mouth engaged before brain does. 1045 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,360 Yeah. 1046 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:26,360 That kind of thing. 1047 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,360 Yeah. 1048 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,360 So anyway, the guy was very pleasant. 1049 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,360 The officer on the airline, he says, listen, I don't need you. 1050 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,360 I really need what I wanted. 1051 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,440 Thank you very much for calling us back. 1052 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,440 And he hangs up on me. 1053 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,440 Right. 1054 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,800 So, of course, eventually I shared with my mom what happened. 1055 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:40,800 Uh huh. 1056 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,480 And my mom said, second time. 1057 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,480 Second time. 1058 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,480 It's kind of impossible. 1059 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,480 Exactly. 1060 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,480 I mean, it's like hidden. 1061 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,480 It wasn't even hidden. 1062 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,480 Yes. 1063 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,480 It's in plain sight. 1064 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:52,480 Exactly. 1065 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,480 And she goes, second time. 1066 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,000 Now, of course, at that point of time, my wife thought, oh, okay, this is going to be 1067 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,440 the turning point for my husband. 1068 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,440 He's going to change, right? 1069 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,440 Please tell me you did. 1070 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:02,440 No, man. 1071 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,440 That was 1997, I remember. 1072 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,440 Oh, man. 1073 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,440 I became worse. 1074 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:15,800 I literally, and I'm okay to share this publicly because my mom, I'm sorry, my wife knows. 1075 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,480 I had multiple affairs after that. 1076 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,480 Okay. 1077 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,760 My marriage was really going crazy. 1078 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,240 You know, I mean, not my marriage. 1079 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:22,800 It was me going crazy. 1080 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,880 I was having multiple affairs. 1081 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,200 And you know, yeah, I am thinking my wife is stupid, but oh, man, she's smart. 1082 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,200 She knew everything. 1083 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,440 She knew what was going on. 1084 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,160 She knew that I was having these affairs. 1085 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,160 Any kids yet at the time? 1086 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,160 I had, I had. 1087 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,720 Already my daughter, and she was, she was, I think, five or six years old. 1088 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:41,000 She was born in 94. 1089 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,000 Yeah. 1090 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,320 So anyway, yeah, so it was really blatant, what I was doing. 1091 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,320 I didn't respect her. 1092 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:52,000 You know, I thank God I didn't hit her, but you know, I just didn't treat her well as 1093 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,480 I'm supposed to as a husband, you know, that kind of thing. 1094 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,580 And so I was just partying every night, getting stoned, getting high, having multiple affairs 1095 00:42:58,580 --> 00:42:59,580 and things like that. 1096 00:42:59,580 --> 00:43:00,880 And it went on and on and on. 1097 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:07,560 And I remember, and this was all related to me after my encounter with God, and I'll come 1098 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:08,560 to that shortly. 1099 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:09,560 Sure. 1100 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:14,280 So what happened was apparently my mom had always been telling my wife, listen, hang 1101 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,280 in there. 1102 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,280 Let's pray for him. 1103 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,280 Let's pray for him. 1104 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,280 And my wife is not a Christian at all, you know. 1105 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,760 I got to stop you there, man. 1106 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,760 Sure. 1107 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,680 You know, I'm going to rewind back to when we started this conversation, man. 1108 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:32,000 When you said that your mom used to love to compare you to other people, right? 1109 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,120 That probably got you kind of riled up, right? 1110 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:41,800 The sense to want to prove something, to validate yourself, I'm pretty sure. 1111 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,240 That probably would be one of the reasons that made you also have that rebellious streak 1112 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:47,240 eventually. 1113 00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:48,240 Yes. 1114 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:56,400 And then as the course of this conversation continued, your mom became that person who 1115 00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:02,000 believed with so much faith that God had told her to warn you. 1116 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,000 Yes. 1117 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:11,600 And then still now, as what you just said, she is the one that still has faith in you. 1118 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,280 I mean, the irony. 1119 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:22,240 I guess mom's love is a love we could never understand, you know. 1120 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:30,300 And I remember her telling, and like I said, it was related to me by my wife and my mom, 1121 00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:33,720 that my mom was saying, listen, don't leave him. 1122 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:34,720 Don't walk out. 1123 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:35,720 You know, he will change. 1124 00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:36,720 We must pray. 1125 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:37,720 God will answer our prayers. 1126 00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:38,720 Wow. 1127 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:39,720 That kind of stuff. 1128 00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:40,720 I mean, wow, right? 1129 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:41,720 Yeah. 1130 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:46,240 And what was very interesting was because of my mom's faith and my mom being my mom, 1131 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:51,880 very strong-willed woman, she began to share about this character, this person called Jesus 1132 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:56,640 to her, you know, and she was actually literally talking about the gospel to my wife. 1133 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,880 And my wife slowly began to believe. 1134 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,200 But your wife was not a Christian. 1135 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:07,040 She came from a Roman Catholic family, but she was never interested in religion. 1136 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,000 And you were not originally Roman Catholic? 1137 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,000 No. 1138 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000 Okay. 1139 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,000 Yeah. 1140 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,480 So this was going on behind the scenes and I didn't know. 1141 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:26,320 So anyway, I remember I just carried on doing what I was doing, partying, the prodigal son. 1142 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:31,960 And it went on until the year 2000, in January. 1143 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,400 We had our second child, our son, Gino. 1144 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,640 And he was born on the 28th of January, 2000. 1145 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,240 By the way, my daughter is born on the 20th of January, 1994. 1146 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,640 Yes, six years apart. 1147 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,440 And I know it's God. 1148 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,800 And I do believe it is God. 1149 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:56,800 So what happened was he had contracted a very bad flu virus as a baby. 1150 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,760 Don't ask me how it happened. 1151 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,160 And so anyway, he had to be admitted into the hospital. 1152 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:08,000 And the doctor said, listen, we can't administer any kind of medication because he's a baby. 1153 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,040 He's an infant. 1154 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,640 We just hope that he will pull through. 1155 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,240 Now when you hear something like that, and a baby, right? 1156 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:19,280 Pull through. 1157 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,280 So what's the other option? 1158 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,480 He's not going to make it. 1159 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:29,480 So I remember standing in the hospital and looking at his crib because he had all these 1160 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,320 machines attached to him. 1161 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,400 And it was such a painful sight. 1162 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,400 I know. 1163 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,880 I've been through that. 1164 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,200 And so anyway, I stood there and I remember looked up at the ceiling and I said, you know, 1165 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:46,880 if there is a God up there, please save my son. 1166 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,960 I remember saying that. 1167 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:57,340 And I was just so egotistical in thinking that, you know, I think he will hear me because 1168 00:46:57,340 --> 00:47:00,000 I'm demanding that he will hear me. 1169 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,840 You know, all the pride and all the ego. 1170 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,760 And anyway, so what happened was we went back home because the doctor said, listen, you 1171 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,520 know, point you guys hang around here and go back home. 1172 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,200 If anything changes, we'll call you and you come back down here. 1173 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:21,160 And this and so of course, we left and my wife, I remember driving over that drive back 1174 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,400 home was like the longest drive. 1175 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:29,520 She was silently weeping next to me, you know, and I was controlling my tears and we were 1176 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:36,520 so broken because of the situation, you know, and we just didn't talk because here I am, 1177 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,240 you know, still partying and doing all sorts of rubbish out there. 1178 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:40,240 Right. 1179 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:42,560 And then, you know, suddenly there's this crisis. 1180 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,880 And so anyway, we reached back home and my home phone rang. 1181 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,400 Yeah, it was my younger brother and my younger brother had become a Christian. 1182 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,080 He had become a Christian. 1183 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,080 And so he picked up the phone. 1184 00:47:54,080 --> 00:48:00,600 I mean, he called me and he says, listen, can I come over with mom and we pray for you 1185 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,920 and your family, you know, and lift up this crisis to God. 1186 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,720 And I was so arrogant, I turned and told him, listen, you can bring any God you want to 1187 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:09,720 bring. 1188 00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:12,120 Just come, you know, no big deal. 1189 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:18,780 So he came and then they sat down together in a circle with my mom and they began praying 1190 00:48:18,780 --> 00:48:25,920 and I was so disrespectful instead of joining them in silence or, you know, just just being, 1191 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,040 you know, yeah, Reverend. 1192 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,040 Yeah. 1193 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,040 Yeah. 1194 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,040 I was arms folded. 1195 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,040 Really? 1196 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,440 Okay. 1197 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:37,440 Sorry about that. 1198 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:38,440 No, that's okay. 1199 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:39,440 Neighbors doing something funny upstairs. 1200 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,440 That's all right. 1201 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,720 As long as not chopping up anybody. 1202 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:49,640 So yeah, so anyway, I was so arrogant, I was slouching, you know, arms folded, looking 1203 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,120 at everybody and like, what's going on, man? 1204 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,160 What's taking so long, you know? 1205 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,240 And then finally, he comes to the end of his prayer, you know, he says, amen. 1206 00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:01,680 And I'm like, okay, you know, and then he, it was quite late. 1207 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,280 I remember in the evening, it was about 10 plus 11. 1208 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,360 So he said, listen, I got to go back home now, you know? 1209 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,360 So I said, okay. 1210 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:13,360 So he gets up and he walks to the door and just as about to exit my front door, he turns 1211 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:19,240 around and he points at me, points at me, literally points at me, you know, and like, 1212 00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:22,240 nobody points at me. 1213 00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:23,240 Yeah. 1214 00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:24,240 Yeah. 1215 00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:28,400 I was so, I was actually about to grab his hand, you know, I thought what was he going 1216 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,400 to do? 1217 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:35,000 And he points at me, he goes, listen, trust God, he will heal your son. 1218 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,120 And like, oh, okay. 1219 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,120 If you say so. 1220 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,760 So, I mean, I thought- And despite all that, you were still so cynical, 1221 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:43,760 huh? 1222 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:44,760 Yeah, yeah. 1223 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,400 I was not interested one bit, you know, with what he had to offer. 1224 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,120 But you were concerned about your baby. 1225 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,120 Yeah. 1226 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,760 But the thing was because my mind was so messed up. 1227 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,960 My heart was so hard. 1228 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,000 But everything is my way of the highway. 1229 00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,600 This is your baby's son. 1230 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:00,600 Exactly. 1231 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,160 That's why- And you were still hardened. 1232 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,160 Yes. 1233 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,160 Despite- Exactly. 1234 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,880 I was still so arrogant. 1235 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:07,880 Okay. 1236 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:13,280 You know, and so I remember he puts his hand down and he says, just believe. 1237 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,280 I said, okay, okay. 1238 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,400 You know, so he goes off. 1239 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,800 So me and my wife went to bed, didn't talk much at all. 1240 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:20,800 We went to bed. 1241 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,520 Next morning we woke up at about seven, seven-ish thereabouts. 1242 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:32,880 We went back to the hospital and I remember walking into the ward and I was surprised 1243 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,360 because I looked at my son's crib. 1244 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,160 He was in this transparent container, right? 1245 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:43,400 And he was in this container and it's like, hang on a minute. 1246 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:49,160 The day before he's got no machines attached to him, why are all the machines removed? 1247 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,920 Why is the respirator removed? 1248 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:52,920 Right. 1249 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,520 And I was like, I got angry. 1250 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:56,520 I stomped out. 1251 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,840 I went straight to the nurse's desk. 1252 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,720 I banged the desk and said, what is the meaning of this? 1253 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:04,240 My son, you took all the machines off him. 1254 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:05,800 How is he going to breathe and blah, blah, blah. 1255 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,160 I just, just shot my mouth off and everything else. 1256 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,160 Yeah. 1257 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:15,200 And, oh my goodness, it was such an embarrassing scene for my wife, poor wife, you know, she 1258 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,160 was like, stop it. 1259 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,160 Stop behaving yourself. 1260 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,160 Stop misbehaving yourself. 1261 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:20,160 Stop acting like an idiot. 1262 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,520 And then I said, don't hold me, don't hold me because she kept holding my arm. 1263 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,480 And then the nurses kept saying, calm down, sir, or we'll call security. 1264 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,720 So I said, you better explain yourself to me right now. 1265 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:37,480 So a senior nurse comes out and she looks at me, she says, Mr. Stewart, at four o'clock 1266 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:46,260 this morning, your son began to move in the crib and he looked agitated and he was beginning 1267 00:51:46,260 --> 00:51:50,520 to make a crying distress sound, you know? 1268 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,480 And so we thought he was hungry. 1269 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,760 We thought he was thirsty, wanted to see what we can do. 1270 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,160 We tried to feed him. 1271 00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,380 He didn't want to eat, you know, he didn't want to drink milk and stuff like that. 1272 00:52:00,380 --> 00:52:05,760 So I made a decision to remove the machines that were attached to his body and the respirator 1273 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,600 to see how he would respond. 1274 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:14,200 After we removed all of that, we found out that he could breathe on his own and we are 1275 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,600 just as puzzled as you are. 1276 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:19,960 And I was like, oh. 1277 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:20,960 Number three. 1278 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:21,960 Exactly. 1279 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:28,560 But here I have a whole horde of public parents all around because they were all looking at 1280 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:29,560 me. 1281 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:30,560 You're making a commotion. 1282 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,560 Yeah, exactly. 1283 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,960 And it was, oh, you can see that, you know, they had that killer look, you know, like, 1284 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:39,720 we can just feel like smashing you up, you know, you crazy Xiao Ang Mo kind of thing. 1285 00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:45,160 So I remember I hung my head down there, oh, okay, thank you. 1286 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,440 You know, and I walked away. 1287 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,440 Right. 1288 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,640 And my wife, I heard my wife say, you idiot, you know. 1289 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:50,640 Yeah. 1290 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,000 So I walked back in and I sat down and I looked at his crib. 1291 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,520 No, can't be. 1292 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,680 It can't be what Oliver said last night. 1293 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:03,680 Can't be. 1294 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,680 No. 1295 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,560 You know, I kept telling myself, right. 1296 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,200 He said, believe, you'll be healed. 1297 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,200 Right. 1298 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:20,160 And then as I was wondering what happened, I hear this voice by the side of my right 1299 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,160 ear. 1300 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,520 Now, in that ward, it was a high dependency ward. 1301 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:29,360 There are no adults there except me and my wife and outside the nurses station. 1302 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:30,360 Right. 1303 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,760 These are the only adults that were there. 1304 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:33,760 Okay. 1305 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:42,080 So this voice right next to my ear said these words, Leon, after all that you have done, 1306 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,880 I still love you. 1307 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,720 I spun around. 1308 00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:48,040 I went, what was that? 1309 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,040 I just, then my wife was, what's wrong? 1310 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,560 I said, I just heard somebody speak to me. 1311 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,640 And she says, no, I didn't hear anything. 1312 00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,920 I said, I know what I heard. 1313 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,320 Someone spoke to me. 1314 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,400 And then I remember I began to feel a bit frightened. 1315 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,300 I had goosebumps. 1316 00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:10,520 And I kept looking in this direction because that's where the voice came from. 1317 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,600 But behind me were all layers of babies in the cribs. 1318 00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,240 Some were the incubators and you know, because it's a high dependency ward. 1319 00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:18,240 Right. 1320 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:21,080 So I remember I shifted my chair nearer to my wife. 1321 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,020 So the crib is now here. 1322 00:54:23,020 --> 00:54:24,020 My wife is here. 1323 00:54:24,020 --> 00:54:25,020 I'm here. 1324 00:54:25,020 --> 00:54:27,640 And I'm looking in the direction where the voice came from. 1325 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:28,880 Right. 1326 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:35,920 And then again, the second time, but this time between my wife and I, the same voice. 1327 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,240 So gentle, very loving, very concerned. 1328 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:45,440 Leon, after all that you have done, I still love you. 1329 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,440 And I shouted again, there! 1330 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:49,560 Did you hear? 1331 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:50,560 Right between the two of us. 1332 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,560 She says, no, I did not hear anything. 1333 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,720 And I was like, can't be. 1334 00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:58,880 I know what I heard. 1335 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,120 And I was sober. 1336 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,120 That was a beautiful thing. 1337 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,760 I was not high. 1338 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,960 I was not, I did not abuse any substance from the night before. 1339 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:08,960 You completely lose it. 1340 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:09,960 Completely. 1341 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,840 I knew exactly what was going on. 1342 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,760 And then I remember sitting there, so puzzled, so confused. 1343 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:22,160 And I remember some of my friends said, if you're stressful, if you're stressed out, 1344 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,160 just close your eyes and just relax. 1345 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,960 Oh man, you were still doubting. 1346 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:25,960 Yeah. 1347 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,400 So I just, so I closed my eyes and I just like, okay, I got to calm down. 1348 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,000 Maybe I'm hearing things, you know, I'm just, you know, all messed up. 1349 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,000 So I decided to just close my eyes and just be still. 1350 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,680 And the strangest thing happened. 1351 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:37,680 Yeah. 1352 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:43,440 When I closed my eyes, I saw myself sitting in a big armchair and in front of me was this 1353 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,640 huge movie screen. 1354 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,880 And my life began to play out on that screen. 1355 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:55,720 Every single thing that I did, good, bad, ugly was being filmed. 1356 00:55:55,720 --> 00:56:00,920 The fights that I got involved in, the women that I was having affairs with, the people 1357 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:06,640 that I was pushing dope to and smoking with, all that crap was just flooding my mind. 1358 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:11,360 But I was in this chair and then I opened my eyes and I went, what was that? 1359 00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,520 It was so strange. 1360 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,080 Never had that before. 1361 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,460 So I closed my eyes again. 1362 00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:18,480 It played again the second time. 1363 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,320 But this time around, something began to happen in my heart. 1364 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,600 I felt a physical presence inside. 1365 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:26,920 I felt guilty. 1366 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,200 I felt remorseful. 1367 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,360 I felt very sad. 1368 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,280 And I began to silently cry. 1369 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,120 It just, something was happening to me. 1370 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:42,280 I couldn't explain it, but I felt so guilty of all the crap that I was doing. 1371 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,240 Like there was a eureka moment. 1372 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:47,920 I've come to some realization. 1373 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:53,560 And then I remember as I kept my eyes closed and my eyes were tearing, I just put my hands 1374 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,840 up like this, and I kept doing this. 1375 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:56,840 I just kept doing this. 1376 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,040 And I was thinking, what's going on? 1377 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,040 What's going on? 1378 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,040 What's going on? 1379 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,080 And then I hear the voice again, but this time it's very different. 1380 00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:07,800 It says, give your mom a call. 1381 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,840 Give your mom a call. 1382 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,320 And so I just stood up. 1383 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,080 Why was the voice different? 1384 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,080 You said different. 1385 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,720 No, different as in the words were different. 1386 00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:16,720 The words are different. 1387 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:17,720 Okay. 1388 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:18,720 But it was the same voice. 1389 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:19,720 Same voice. 1390 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:20,720 Give your mom a call. 1391 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,040 Same gentle voice, but different words. 1392 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,000 So I got up and then my wife looked at me, where are you going? 1393 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,320 So I couldn't explain to her what was going on. 1394 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,640 So I just told her, I said, I'm just going out to get a cup of coffee. 1395 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:39,680 So I exited the ward and I went down to the lobby and I saw the payphone there. 1396 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:45,440 So I called my mom and she picked up the phone and then she says, hey, hi son. 1397 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,440 How is baby? 1398 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:47,440 Is he okay? 1399 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,040 I said, mom, he's breathing on his own. 1400 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,160 Then she goes, oh, that's good, that's good. 1401 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:58,240 I said, yeah, the nurses are also kind of puzzled that he's breathing on his own, but 1402 00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,240 that's very good news. 1403 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,240 That's very good news. 1404 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:01,240 You know? 1405 00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:07,760 And then I said, mom, I got to tell you something. 1406 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,720 She says what? 1407 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,320 I said, mom, I heard this voice. 1408 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:15,400 Then she said, what do you hear? 1409 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:20,200 I said, I know exactly what I heard mom, and I'll tell you what I heard. 1410 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,200 All right? 1411 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,240 Help me here. 1412 00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:24,240 What is it? 1413 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:32,240 I said, I heard these words, Leon, after all that you've done, I still love you. 1414 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,540 Suddenly she shouted at the top of her voice. 1415 00:58:35,540 --> 00:58:37,560 She shouted, praise the Lord hallelujah. 1416 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,600 And of course I was like, what? 1417 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,000 Mom, what's going on? 1418 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,000 Why? 1419 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,680 She's screaming, praise the Lord hallelujah. 1420 00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,760 And then she went silent. 1421 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:55,640 And then as I was trying to hear what was going on on the other line, on the other side 1422 00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:00,640 of the line, I heard her crying. 1423 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:06,040 Give me a moment. 1424 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,040 Sure. 1425 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:12,040 Take your time, man. 1426 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,440 Yeah. 1427 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,680 Yeah. 1428 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:23,840 So she was crying on either end of the line. 1429 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,480 And as I heard her crying, I also cried. 1430 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,240 I asked her, what's going on, mom? 1431 00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:40,120 And she says, son, for 18 years, for 18 years, I've been praying that Jesus will speak to 1432 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,200 you. 1433 00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,920 And I was just silent for the very first time. 1434 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,680 I didn't argue with her. 1435 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,320 I didn't say anything to her. 1436 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,360 I just kept quiet and yeah. 1437 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,660 And we were just laughing and crying on the phone because she was so, she was so elated. 1438 00:59:56,660 --> 00:59:58,760 And I was laughing, I was crying and she was laughing. 1439 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,440 It was really quite funny. 1440 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:02,440 And then I said, mom, what? 1441 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:07,500 And the first time I said, mom, here I'm asking her, you know, half the time I'm rebelling 1442 01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:08,500 against her, right? 1443 01:00:08,500 --> 01:00:10,600 And she was asking us suddenly, what do I do? 1444 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:11,600 I thought so. 1445 01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,400 And then she says, listen, don't worry. 1446 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,280 We'll bring baby back home first. 1447 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:24,000 Once back home, I will introduce you to some pastors who will talk to you and you share 1448 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,000 your experience with them. 1449 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:31,320 And you know, just they will tell you what needs to be done and stuff like that. 1450 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:32,320 Right. 1451 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,560 And then I said, mom, who spoke to me? 1452 01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,560 And she, she burst out laughing. 1453 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,840 She said, Jesus, God spoke to you. 1454 01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:41,840 She says, really? 1455 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,400 I said, yes, because I believe he's the one that spoke to you because I've been praying 1456 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:47,400 to him. 1457 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,400 Oh, okay. 1458 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,760 You know, all right. 1459 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,360 So I remember I hung up the phone and I did something really crazy. 1460 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,480 So I hung up the phone and I looked around the lobby. 1461 01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,200 I walked to the center of the lobby of KK Hospital. 1462 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:04,840 And I looked around, make sure there's nobody, you know, and then I looked up to the ceiling. 1463 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,000 Okay, listen. 1464 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,880 My mom said, your name is Jesus. 1465 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,240 She says that you are God. 1466 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,240 If you are truly real, show me yourself. 1467 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,240 I said that. 1468 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:18,240 Okay. 1469 01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,240 Never forget saying that. 1470 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:25,040 Never have a challenge gone because he will show up big time, you know. 1471 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,440 And what do I mean by big time? 1472 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,480 Well, that was the turning point in the year 2000. 1473 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:31,960 I was somewhere in February. 1474 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,380 I remember early part of February. 1475 01:01:34,380 --> 01:01:42,480 And so what I mean by he shows up big time is because after that, the first three years 1476 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:49,680 of my journey in the Christian faith, you know, it was really a struggle and a challenge, 1477 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:56,160 but he actually showed up not physically, but I remember my heart began to change slowly. 1478 01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:03,880 I became softer, you know, and I began to understand and become very sensitive to things 1479 01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:09,160 around me, you know, and I remember even my drug addiction left me. 1480 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:10,160 Really? 1481 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,160 Miraculous. 1482 01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:12,160 Nothing is wrong with my organs. 1483 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:13,160 No withdrawal symptoms? 1484 01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:14,160 No, man. 1485 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:15,160 No. 1486 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:16,160 You just dropped it like that? 1487 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,160 Yeah, just like that. 1488 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:18,160 All these years? 1489 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,160 Yes. 1490 01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:20,160 Yeah. 1491 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:21,160 Just like that. 1492 01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:22,160 Being stoned every day? 1493 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,160 Yes. 1494 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:24,160 Yeah. 1495 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:25,160 No, nothing? 1496 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:26,160 Nothing. 1497 01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,160 Cold turkey? 1498 01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:28,160 Cold turkey. 1499 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:29,160 No cold, I mean. 1500 01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,360 It went cold turkey, but there were no side effects. 1501 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:32,360 Exactly. 1502 01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:33,360 Yeah. 1503 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:41,240 And I remember, yeah, so my life had began to drastically change. 1504 01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:45,680 The choices that I began to make were more meaningful. 1505 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:52,440 And I even saw my wife in a different light, like as if a pair of curtains were pulled 1506 01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,440 off or veiled, you know? 1507 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,080 Pulled off from my eyes. 1508 01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:02,480 I would say my spiritual eyes, because suddenly my wife became so attractive and not, I'm 1509 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,760 not talking about the external beauty, I'm talking as a person. 1510 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:06,760 As a person. 1511 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:07,760 Yeah. 1512 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,200 And it was so, so strange. 1513 01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,720 And I was even able, you know, I thank God for her because I was able to actually go 1514 01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,400 to her and say, I'm so sorry, and you know, ask for forgiveness and all that. 1515 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,240 And things began to change. 1516 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,440 My daughter was already by then, like that is very different, you know, things are beginning 1517 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:25,440 to change. 1518 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,000 And of course, the two greatest witnesses are my mom and my wife, because they saw that 1519 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,000 happen. 1520 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:36,760 Now, you know, then, yeah, so then ministry opportunities opened for me, prison ministry 1521 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,960 and things like that, you know. 1522 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:44,520 So that was a turning point in the year 2000, where things began to change. 1523 01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:50,400 Now, is it a journey of, is it a smooth journey? 1524 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,640 No, it's not. 1525 01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:53,640 Why? 1526 01:03:53,640 --> 01:04:01,320 Because when Jesus came into my life, he didn't guarantee me a smooth, everything is all hunky 1527 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,120 dory kind of journey, you will still face challenges, you know, as the Bible says, as 1528 01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:10,560 a part of the Bible that Jesus says, listen, you know, in this world, you have many troubles, 1529 01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,360 but take courage, I have overcome the world. 1530 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,960 So I began to understand, oh, okay, so I just plug into him every day, you know, and it's, 1531 01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,920 you know, live by his grace, his extended grace over me. 1532 01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:28,000 So it's been a very, very interesting journey and the transformation is not complete. 1533 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,240 It's an ongoing transformation for me. 1534 01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,840 I'm still Leon, you know, of course, I don't drug, I don't do drugs anymore. 1535 01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,000 I've given up drinking, I don't smoke anymore, you know. 1536 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,360 You know, the guy that goes out there looking for a fight. 1537 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:40,360 No, man, no, man. 1538 01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:41,360 No, no, no. 1539 01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:42,360 You're still a guy that loves bikes. 1540 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,400 Oh, I still love motorcycles, I still love bicycles. 1541 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,240 I love anything two wheels, you know, I still love anything two wheels. 1542 01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:53,440 Yeah, but I think my, I began, you know, of course, there was a lot of regrets, especially 1543 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:54,840 the tattoos on my body. 1544 01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:55,840 Why? 1545 01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,880 No, yeah, because when I, okay, now this I got to explain to you. 1546 01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:03,520 When I put the tattoos on my body, it was because I had a very bad low self-esteem. 1547 01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,880 My mom was always knocking me down. 1548 01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:10,600 And so I felt okay, I put more garang, you know, that kind of thing. 1549 01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,520 It was pure stability to me. 1550 01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:13,520 Well, I got ink. 1551 01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,520 No, no, I'm not saying anything about your ink. 1552 01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,960 Talk for me personally. 1553 01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,760 You know, it was such, it is such a regret. 1554 01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:21,760 Why? 1555 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:27,120 Because I like what my son told me, my son who is now 23 years old, the one that was 1556 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:28,120 sick as a baby. 1557 01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:32,720 He told me, he says, no dad, if God wanted you to have tattoos, you would have come out 1558 01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:33,720 of mom with tattoos. 1559 01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,720 I mean, out of mama with tattoos, you know. 1560 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,360 Okay, makes a little bit of sense there. 1561 01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:43,160 But you know, but I personally felt that I did all of that out of stupidity because I 1562 01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:48,040 wanted to be somebody whom I thought was supposed to be that Leon, right? 1563 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:49,040 Sorry, Leon. 1564 01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:53,920 But that's not the Leon that God had built me to be. 1565 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,240 So I had that regret. 1566 01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,680 But you know what? 1567 01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:03,160 I have had been encouraged by many people that I've met, people in the church and outside 1568 01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,040 of the church who know my story. 1569 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,920 And they say, hey, listen, God never wastes anything that he makes. 1570 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,160 And I was like, wow, what do you mean? 1571 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:17,080 He says, you were built by God and this is who you are. 1572 01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,120 You know, God has made you. 1573 01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:19,120 You made mistakes. 1574 01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:20,120 Yes, you tattooed your body. 1575 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:21,120 You took drugs. 1576 01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:22,240 You did all of rubbish. 1577 01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:26,280 But he redeems what was lost. 1578 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,560 And to him, it's not lost. 1579 01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:32,240 He now uses it for his purpose and his plans. 1580 01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:33,240 So I didn't see that. 1581 01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:38,760 You know, so it was only through my journey of faith that I began to understand. 1582 01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:39,760 Oh, okay. 1583 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,560 So that's why a lot of people when they see me, they say, oh, you're a pastor, but you 1584 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:44,560 got tattoos. 1585 01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:45,560 What's the catch? 1586 01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,560 And this is my story. 1587 01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:49,560 Oh, wow. 1588 01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,040 How many years did it take for you? 1589 01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,000 I mean, you made a decision to become a pastor, right? 1590 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,000 No, hang on a minute. 1591 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,000 This is very interesting. 1592 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:04,520 I never ever prayed a prayer to ask God to make me a pastor. 1593 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:05,520 Right. 1594 01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:06,520 Never. 1595 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:12,920 But something happened in 2003 at a conference where I'm not sure if you heard of people 1596 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,720 like they prophesy, they speak over your life. 1597 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:17,720 I'm not sure if you heard of such things. 1598 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,120 No, not fortune telling. 1599 01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:20,120 Yeah. 1600 01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:21,120 Okay. 1601 01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,120 So anyway, there's this visiting pastor from Canada. 1602 01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,600 And I was at this conference and he comes up at the mic. 1603 01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:28,160 He's about to start his seminar. 1604 01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:29,160 He looks across at me. 1605 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,120 I'm sitting in the front row and he says, hey, you, what's your name? 1606 01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,960 Then of course I turn around and he goes, no, you, you, you. 1607 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:36,960 Me? 1608 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,520 Yeah, you stand up. 1609 01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,600 So I stood up and I said, my name's Leon. 1610 01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:41,600 How can I help you? 1611 01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:45,640 And this is a conference where there are about 300 people gathered. 1612 01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,360 This was a church conference. 1613 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:53,240 And this pastor basically told me in my face that there's going to come a time where God 1614 01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:54,820 was going to use me. 1615 01:07:54,820 --> 01:08:00,000 He's going to bring me to places where the church has never been before or doesn't go 1616 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,000 in and penetrate. 1617 01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,820 I didn't understand what that meant. 1618 01:08:03,820 --> 01:08:11,360 And so it is many, many years later that I began to understand what he meant. 1619 01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:18,940 There was going to come a time where God was going to appoint me as a pastor to work. 1620 01:08:18,940 --> 01:08:19,940 Mission work. 1621 01:08:19,940 --> 01:08:20,940 Yeah, mission work. 1622 01:08:20,940 --> 01:08:28,920 And so I can't go into great detail, but I'm also involved in a capacity in the Changi 1623 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:34,280 prison where they call it the special handling unit. 1624 01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,400 And these are men awaiting judicial execution. 1625 01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:38,400 Okay. 1626 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,200 Those in death row. 1627 01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:41,200 Yes. 1628 01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:42,200 So I can't say anything else. 1629 01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:43,200 Sure. 1630 01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:44,200 So I never saw this coming. 1631 01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:50,520 And so God has used me not only there, but other places within the church. 1632 01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,560 And so I never woke up one day and said, no, I want to be a pastor. 1633 01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:54,560 No. 1634 01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,960 That was furthest from my mind. 1635 01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,480 Because the only experience I have honestly is logistics. 1636 01:08:59,480 --> 01:09:00,480 Okay. 1637 01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:04,200 But you went to do a diploma in theology. 1638 01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,160 Can we have that one up please, Leroy? 1639 01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:07,160 Yes. 1640 01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:08,160 Oh yeah. 1641 01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:09,160 There you go. 1642 01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:10,160 There you go. 1643 01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,760 So now it's more than just logistics, man. 1644 01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:13,760 Yeah. 1645 01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,880 This is really by God's grace, to be honest with you. 1646 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:21,380 I mean, with someone who had only lower secondary education, it was such an honor and privilege 1647 01:09:21,380 --> 01:09:23,920 to go up there and to receive that. 1648 01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:25,080 It was five long years though. 1649 01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,600 Because it's part time, I was doing part time. 1650 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,960 And it was such a blessing to be able to get the diploma in theology. 1651 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:36,040 Some of the things you said, your whole story, it's so wonderful to hear honestly. 1652 01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,520 And it really is inspiring. 1653 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:44,840 And frankly, some of the things in your story resonates with me. 1654 01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,120 I had my son. 1655 01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:49,760 He was in very bad shape. 1656 01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,120 Same thing. 1657 01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:57,280 I think what your son, Gino, had was RSV, respiratory sensitive virus, which is that 1658 01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:03,360 bad flu that usually kids get at hospitals. 1659 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,240 And he was hit by Kawasaki disease. 1660 01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,160 So I understand that pain, man. 1661 01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,960 And you see your kid, retubes. 1662 01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:12,960 Helpless, yeah. 1663 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:13,960 Helpless, man. 1664 01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,120 I mean, that broke me. 1665 01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:18,120 That broke me. 1666 01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:19,120 I would think so. 1667 01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:20,120 It would break any guy, any dad. 1668 01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,680 Yeah, and I just want to ask you out of curiosity. 1669 01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,240 How did Jesus sound like? 1670 01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,160 Well, definitely not like us. 1671 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:30,160 Timber wise, timber. 1672 01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:31,160 How's his timber like? 1673 01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,160 How's his accent like? 1674 01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:38,860 Okay, so I've never heard it audible again, but I will tell you this. 1675 01:10:38,860 --> 01:10:47,600 It was a very firm, but a very gentle voice, mid tone. 1676 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:48,600 Mid range. 1677 01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:50,320 I know, and accent. 1678 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,280 Nah, I couldn't make out the accent. 1679 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,960 But it was just, you know, so gentle. 1680 01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:03,660 I think that the one thing that I truly believe that happened that day in the hospital was 1681 01:11:03,660 --> 01:11:10,280 when he spoke, I think it was just pure love coming through. 1682 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:11,280 Which you can sense, straight away. 1683 01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,040 Yeah, I tell you why. 1684 01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:19,600 Because as much as I was such a prodigal son, he didn't address all the sins that I had 1685 01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,400 been doing. 1686 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:29,720 He said, Leon, after all that you have done, I still love you. 1687 01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:33,720 And sitting on an armchair watching that movie of all the things that you've done in your 1688 01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,960 life that was wrong. 1689 01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,640 Funny enough, over the past two weeks, I mean, I've been reading stuff, you know, every now 1690 01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:44,800 and then I get on my phone, get on my socials, and then you see people give testimonies about 1691 01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,400 near death experiences. 1692 01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:53,360 So many of them actually say that they see their lives flash and the things that they've 1693 01:11:53,360 --> 01:12:00,080 done to people and then they feel the guilt, you know. 1694 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,960 So when you mentioned this, it's like, hey, this sounds familiar. 1695 01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:08,120 I just read this or saw this somewhere a couple of times over the last couple of weeks. 1696 01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,400 It was like, whoa, hang on. 1697 01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,480 Yeah, so I mean, that was my experience. 1698 01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:21,160 And yeah, I really can't explain until today, but I know for a fact that, you know, I've 1699 01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,920 become so sensitive. 1700 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:31,320 But at the same time, I also realized that, you know, as much as God has given me the 1701 01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:35,460 second chance, I have to give others the second chance. 1702 01:12:35,460 --> 01:12:39,280 And that's why, you know, when you mentioned about, oh, you don't go around hitting people 1703 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,120 or finding trouble and stuff like that. 1704 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,320 Yeah, it's so strange. 1705 01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:43,320 Yeah. 1706 01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:44,320 But it's so strange. 1707 01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:45,320 Yeah. 1708 01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:51,280 So is there a message or piece of wisdom you'd like to share with our viewers, listeners, 1709 01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,920 you know, particularly those who might be grappling with their own challenges and seeking 1710 01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,840 a way forward on a secular basis first? 1711 01:12:58,840 --> 01:12:59,840 Sure. 1712 01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:00,840 Yeah. 1713 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:10,520 But you need to look for the trigger point why you are where you are at, what has happened. 1714 01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:16,120 Trace back to the point where it all went wrong, you know, and sort of realign yourself. 1715 01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:22,000 Try to find out really where it went wrong and go back to that point and sort of get 1716 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,560 it realigned. 1717 01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:35,560 By the end of the day, for me personally, I know that I cannot help but say that my 1718 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:39,360 own realignment is because of what happened to me. 1719 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,640 This is the supernatural encounter. 1720 01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,040 Man, it took the big boss himself to come. 1721 01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,000 Yeah, that's how, like, you know, it really hit me and it speak to me. 1722 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:52,280 But you know what, I mean, I want to open this to all of you all who are out there. 1723 01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:58,280 You know, if you guys are struggling and if you've seen this podcast, you've heard me 1724 01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,760 and you want to talk to me, you can get in touch with Chris. 1725 01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:05,800 You know, I'm not selling or trying to sell coyote, that's what they say. 1726 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:12,800 But if you need to talk to somebody, I would be more than happy to facilitate that. 1727 01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,280 Because everyone's different. 1728 01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:15,280 Great. 1729 01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:16,280 Yeah. 1730 01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,920 I've actually designed, just to end the show, I've actually designed something and produced 1731 01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:20,920 something. 1732 01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,200 So it's a very short little snippet to end this episode. 1733 01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,760 You will see it when the episode does air. 1734 01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,040 So it's done for you. 1735 01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:31,160 So it's kind of fun. 1736 01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:32,920 Okay, okay. 1737 01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:34,560 So thanks so very much. 1738 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:39,240 Pastor Leon Stewart, thank you so much for being here. 1739 01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:40,720 No, thank you Chris for having me. 1740 01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:42,200 It's such a riveting story. 1741 01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:43,640 No, for allowing me to share, man. 1742 01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,560 No, no, not at all, not at all. 1743 01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:46,560 Such a riveting story. 1744 01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,600 It's so good to hear all that. 1745 01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,040 It's really nice to hear. 1746 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:52,040 Thank you, thank you. 1747 01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:53,040 And congratulations. 1748 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,040 Thank you, sir. 1749 01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,040 Thank you. 1750 01:14:55,040 --> 01:15:00,520 Right, everyone, I hope you've enjoyed this episode of Shine a Light on the Chris Hansen 1751 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,600 conversation with Pastor Leon Chester Stewart. 1752 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,480 No, I am not evangelizing. 1753 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:08,560 And yes, the show is still secular. 1754 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:14,320 Okay, but this is a story worth telling, and it's a story worth hearing and listening. 1755 01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:18,200 So until next time, whatever it is, stay good. 1756 01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:19,200 I'll see you again soon. 1757 01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:49,160 Bye bye. 1758 01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:27,840 Bye.