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The plot too is here is that people think that usually you know from that kind of behavior

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that I just described right, I might come from an actually like a broken home and stuff

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But in actual fact, I was actually raised very well.

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Hi everyone, welcome back to the Chris Hansen conversation.

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In my studio today, I have someone really special because as I mentioned, I've been

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mentioning this over the last one or two episodes and I have a few series lined up actually

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and this is one of those series.

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Remember, I've got one called Euphora, that's for the UFO series.

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UFO Reveal Asia, then I've also got one for I Love My Job.

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This is the next one.

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This one is called Shine A Light.

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You can see the series title in short right now, it says Shine A Light and this is for

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people that I believe can shine a light in all of our lives because they're doing things

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that are so special.

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They've also come from backgrounds that, for lack of a better term, rather questionable

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in the past but made good and done great and still doing great and I think these people

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can inspire everyone who watches this episode.

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And with me today, a special person to shine a light for all of us, I have with me Andin

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Kadir.

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Welcome to the studio, Andin.

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Thank you, Rua.

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Thank you for having me.

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No, not at all, man.

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Pleasure's mine.

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Thank you for being here.

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There's a reason why you're here.

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You're here to shine a light for everyone.

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Honest to God, I really didn't do that much research because I want to really hear it

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all today on camera.

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Can you please tell me who Andin Kadir is?

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In your own words.

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Take your time.

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Okay.

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My name is Andin Kadir.

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I am turning 38 years old this year.

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So my background is that I'm an ex-offender.

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I served time when I was 15 to 20 years old.

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Holy shit, so young.

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So 15 in juvenile home and then when I turned 16, I was sent to maximum security from 16

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to 20.

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I served my prison time.

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Prison time in maximum security.

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What did you do, man?

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Don't mind me asking.

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Gang-related activities.

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So I was charged twice with voluntarily causing grievous hurt with weapon.

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So the first one I was sent to juvenile center, Singapore Boys Home, and then my first home

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leave when I was in boys home.

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So I absconded, means I ran away.

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Did not return as instructed.

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And then the next day I went to commit another similar offense basically.

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How long ago was this?

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It was some time ago.

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Yeah, I'm 38.

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You're 38 now.

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You were 15, 16.

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Okay, that was a long time ago.

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I need to know.

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Grievous hurt with a weapon.

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Can you tell everyone what exactly happened?

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The first one was both gang-related.

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So it was a gang fight?

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Yeah, you can call it.

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More of like gang-induced, because the first one we stabbed a gang rival.

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The second one was a slashing case.

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It's not a gang fight.

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We premeditated that action whereby we knew the location of the people that we were going

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to hurt.

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So we planned and then we came down.

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It's more like an attack basically.

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So you premeditated, so you attacked the guy and both of these guys were?

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One was hospitalized.

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I mean like the first case, he was hospitalized.

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He was okay technically.

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And then the second one was hospitalized as well, but he lost the function of his arm,

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of his hand from that attack basically.

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Looking back right now, 38 years old, looking back now, 15, 16 years old, committed all

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those.

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In the past, I know.

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How do you feel about that today?

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It could have been worse for both parties, for him or for me, stuff like that.

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But to honestly, until today, I cannot say that I regretted my actions.

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I have to be honest.

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Okay, please do.

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Please be.

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Yeah, because it's a gang related thing and it's not like he's an innocent bystander or

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he's innocent that I went there to actually rob him or anything like that.

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But it's either one day he'll get me or I have to get him first.

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That sort of situation.

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That was how it was like then.

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Yeah, yeah.

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How about the second guy?

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The second guy that was premeditated.

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I mean, you don't regret that one either.

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No, because he was in the gang as well.

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He was also involved in the gang.

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So we knew what we were getting into though.

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Were you prepared for the consequences at that time knowing that chances are pretty

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high in Singapore, chances are pretty high you get caught?

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Were you aware of that?

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Were you aware that chances are high that you'd be caught?

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I was very much aware because I was already on the run when I committed that offence.

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So I ran away, I absconded and stuff.

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And still you went ahead with that.

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Just by the fact that you went on the run, you became a fugitive.

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So at that point in time, the only goal back then was to do as much damage as possible.

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You already have a bad rep or a good rep basically, from whichever perspective you're looking

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at.

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So might as well add on to that at that point in time.

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How about your background?

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What's your background like?

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I was adopted actually when I was two.

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But now the plot twist here is that people think that usually from that kind of behavior

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that I just described, I might come from a broken home and stuff like that.

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But in actual fact, I was actually raised very well.

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I have everything that I needed.

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In fact, I was the spoiled child of the family because they put me first before their kids.

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You know what I mean?

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Okay, before their natural kids.

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So I have to ask you this man, because this is the first time I've spoken to ex-offenders

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before, on my previous shows.

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And you're the first that actually point blank telling me that I didn't come from a broken

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home.

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So what actually caused you to get into this situation and the circumstances you were under?

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It took me a while to actually troubleshoot where went wrong.

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But after now that I'm a little bit older, I have a daughter of my own, and I actually

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work with a lot of youth and stuff like that.

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I also study a little bit about human behavior and stuff like that through experience because

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I'm also a coach.

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So actually it stemmed from me wanting validation.

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Because the fact of the matter is that, remember that I told you that my adopted parents already

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have kids, right?

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Yes, yes.

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They are way, way older than me.

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So I'm number nine.

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Oh wow, that's huge.

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Big family.

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Yeah, so they already have seven kids of their own.

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They have another adopted son, and then they decided to actually adopt me.

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And the age gap between me and number nine is about 16 years.

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Wow, way.

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Huge gap.

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So when I was adopted, I was a baby, right?

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And growing up, I was the most adult because they are still in their teenage years, and

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they are still single, don't have families and stuff like that.

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Until all of them got married, have kids of their own, moved away, and then I feel abandoned.

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And also, they will always have this perception of me as being the baby of the family.

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Even though I'm already grown up, wanting to explore and do things on my own and stuff

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like that.

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So they overprotected me, actually.

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So the overprotectiveness, your thinking, got you into that life.

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So it's really what's for validation as far as you're concerned, as far as you've deciphered.

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Something to prove that I'm not a baby.

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I don't need that much protection anymore and stuff like that.

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That's where I decided to actually join a gang and then do stuff that my family would

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not think that I am capable of doing.

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But at home, I'm not.

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Like I said, I was raised well, so at home, they didn't suspect anything initially.

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Because at home, I behave like how I'm supposed to behave.

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I still have respect for my elders, still do my duties as a son and whatever.

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But whatever you did outside, nobody knew.

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Until I got caught and they can't believe it.

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They couldn't believe it.

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Oh my.

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Oh my.

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I need to have a word with my son.

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He's a good kid.

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Just make sure that everything's good, man.

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Yeah I think at that point in time, you know, like...

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You work with youth.

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So have you encountered anyone who, just like you, needed validation but at home they're

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like, you know, good kids.

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And then outside they're doing something that's at risk.

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I have not.

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I have not.

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You have not?

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Yeah yeah.

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Because most of the kids that I work with are usually from broken families for the lack

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of better.

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So that is really the prevalent cause usually.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Okay.

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But in my case, it can actually happen even if you have a solid background, you know,

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solid family foundation and stuff like that.

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So when you went into prison, what was it like for you?

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Was it really something that made you turn around?

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Did prison turn you around?

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No.

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Actually prison made me worse.

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Holy shit balls.

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Yeah.

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That was the destination that I wanted to achieve actually.

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Yeah.

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That was the goal.

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Your goal was to go to prison to get worse.

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When I was in my teenage years.

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Did you do drugs at that time?

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No.

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No.

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You were completely lucid when it came to thinking this mindset.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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So basically, you know.

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Holy crap.

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If I want to do something, you know, from young, I would want to go all the way and

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then not do a half-ass.

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A half-fuck job.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I'm saying it.

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I'm just saying man.

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Half-fuck job.

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I'm just saying that's the direction that it's okay to not even do the job, let alone

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a half-fuck job, you know.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But it was an ambition for you to go to prison.

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Yeah.

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And okay.

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When you were there, did you achieve that ambition in your mind?

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I was like almost there.

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Almost there.

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Okay.

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So, you know, like at 16, you know, you go into maximum security, you go into an adult

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prison and then you get to see all these names, right?

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Yeah.

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That you only heard of when you were like, you know.

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Legends in that world.

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Yeah.

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And then now you are like in the company of them, you know.

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So you absorb as much as you possibly can, you know.

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And then when you are released, you know, you go even bigger.

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That's all the...

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Dude, you're talking as if you've just gone to university, man.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's something that is like an upgrade, right?

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Oh man.

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Yeah.

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Wow, an upgrade.

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Yeah.

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So you were there for six years.

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One year in juvenile or rather.

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About one, almost two years in juvenile.

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Two, almost two years in juvenile and the rest of the balance, what, four or five years

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in maximum security?

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Yeah, about three years.

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Oh, three years in maximum security.

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Then you were released.

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Yeah.

262
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And what happened then?

263
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And then I went on a rampage basically.

264
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You still went on a rampage?

265
00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:14,280
Yeah.

266
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Yeah.

267
00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:16,280
Okay.

268
00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:22,680
So I put all my contacts and my experience to use, basically.

269
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Now that I have a bit more experience and probably a name for myself.

270
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And yeah, like weekly fights, you know.

271
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Now I start to dabble in trafficking, you know, selling drugs, making a bit of money.

272
00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,920
Now it's my time to make a bit of money, right?

273
00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:44,920
Right.

274
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Yeah.

275
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And that's what I basically did.

276
00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:49,440
And then what happened?

277
00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,120
So what put it to a stop was.

278
00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,120
Ah, okay.

279
00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,840
We're coming to transitioning transformation story.

280
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Was that the CID or the secret society branch did a sweep on my group of friends, basically.

281
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And then most of them got detained under the CLD law, better known as 55.

282
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55.

283
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Section 55.

284
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Can you just for the benefit of listeners and viewers, especially those who are from

285
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the rest of the parts of the world outside of Singapore, what section 55 really means?

286
00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:41,440
Okay, so section 55 is that the government can actually, the authorities can actually

287
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detain you for an indefinite period of time.

288
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Okay.

289
00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:53,480
Under two acts, the secret society act and also the drug trafficking act.

290
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Oh, including that.

291
00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:55,880
Including that.

292
00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:56,880
Okay.

293
00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:57,880
I never knew that part.

294
00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:03,400
Okay. There are two types of section 55.

295
00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:04,400
Right.

296
00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,400
Or what we call the criminal law detention.

297
00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:07,400
Okay.

298
00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:08,400
Yeah.

299
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And most of my friends, depending on the ranks that they got charged for.

300
00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:16,520
Right.

301
00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:22,520
So if you're a head man, then five, seven years and stuff like that without any date

302
00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:23,520
of release.

303
00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:28,360
And then there are also like members or fighters who are like, you know, three, four years.

304
00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:29,360
Right.

305
00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,360
Yeah.

306
00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,360
Depending on how the situation is.

307
00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,280
So when you're in there, you really don't know when you're going to be released.

308
00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:35,280
Yeah.

309
00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:36,280
Yeah.

310
00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,840
Were you waiting for a time to be released or were you just liking the fact that you're

311
00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:40,840
in there again?

312
00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,160
Oh no, I didn't, I didn't get detained yet.

313
00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:44,160
Okay.

314
00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,160
Sorry.

315
00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:46,160
Let me just rewind that.

316
00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,160
Okay.

317
00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,120
So they didn't sweep under the CLD and your friends and all that.

318
00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,480
And you got, you got also caught up in that.

319
00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:53,480
Yeah.

320
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So we already know who's wanted because you know, like before that they'll call you for

321
00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:00,600
an interview.

322
00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,600
Right.

323
00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:07,000
And then there's a board with your name on it, the hierarchy and stuff like that.

324
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:16,360
So basically we were the last few to actually got wanted for it.

325
00:17:16,360 --> 00:17:17,360
Okay.

326
00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:20,680
So one of my friends went, he went for the interview.

327
00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,560
And then he got, he got released for a while, right?

328
00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,880
Pending a little bit more investigation and stuff.

329
00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,080
So he got out and then he told me that, you know, you are also wanted basically.

330
00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,080
Okay.

331
00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,080
Yeah.

332
00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:43,160
And at that point in time, my ex girlfriend was already about five months pregnant.

333
00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:44,160
Okay.

334
00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,160
Yeah.

335
00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,160
Okay.

336
00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:50,840
So at that point knowing that then I have to make a move basically.

337
00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:51,840
Right.

338
00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,800
So I went on the run again.

339
00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,800
When you say make a move, you went on a run.

340
00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:58,800
Okay.

341
00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,080
I was waiting to hear the transformation happening somehow.

342
00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,960
But no, you went on the run.

343
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:03,960
Okay.

344
00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:04,960
And what happened?

345
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,680
You went on a run and then picket time, picket time, man.

346
00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,680
You can have the body too.

347
00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:11,680
Later.

348
00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:12,680
Yeah.

349
00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:13,680
Smells good, bro.

350
00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:14,680
It does.

351
00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:15,680
It is good, man.

352
00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,120
Since we're on that topic, hang on a second.

353
00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:19,120
Okay, everybody.

354
00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:20,960
I'm doing this mid-flight this time around.

355
00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,080
Take a look at this, man.

356
00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:30,240
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357
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358
00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:36,360
Thank you, VJ.

359
00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:38,400
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360
00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,960
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361
00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:50,240
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362
00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:55,080
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363
00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,400
Gordon's Vade.

364
00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,000
Thanks again, guys.

365
00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,000
Wonderful.

366
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,520
Now you can have them, man.

367
00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:02,520
Have Adam.

368
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,760
Okay, let me get back to the story.

369
00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:05,760
Yeah.

370
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:06,760
Right.

371
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:07,760
So you went on a run.

372
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,840
Girlfriend five months pregnant, but you went on a run.

373
00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:11,840
And what happened?

374
00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:12,840
Yeah.

375
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:19,200
So just to lay low because there's no criminal charges against me.

376
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,480
So I haven't committed any offense.

377
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,720
So that's how it works.

378
00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:25,720
Okay.

379
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:32,760
So until the heat dies down, then after that they will move on to something else.

380
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:33,760
Yeah.

381
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:34,760
Or something else.

382
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:35,760
Right.

383
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:36,760
So yeah, so that's what I did.

384
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:37,760
I laid low.

385
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:44,960
While I was laying low, I moved in with my ex-girlfriend back then, who is actually my

386
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:45,960
ex-wife.

387
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:46,960
We eventually got married.

388
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:47,960
Okay.

389
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:48,960
Yeah.

390
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:58,960
And what I did then was like, apart from finding a proper job, because we will need CPF and

391
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,520
Medisave and things like that for the baby.

392
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,720
So I decided to work basically.

393
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:07,720
Okay.

394
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:08,720
Yeah.

395
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,400
So this is the first time you actually went for legitimate work.

396
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,400
Yeah.

397
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,560
How old are you then?

398
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,560
About 21.

399
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,560
Okay.

400
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:17,560
Twenty, 21.

401
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:18,560
Yeah.

402
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:19,560
Okay.

403
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:24,440
And then I landed a job as a towel boy first.

404
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,440
A towel boy?

405
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:26,440
Yeah.

406
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:27,440
Where?

407
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:28,440
California Fitness.

408
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,640
The one in town, the one in Ocho Road.

409
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:31,640
Yeah.

410
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:32,640
Okay.

411
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:33,640
Yeah.

412
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,720
And I also have a membership in a gym.

413
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:39,720
Okay.

414
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:40,720
In California?

415
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:41,720
No.

416
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:42,720
In Fitness First.

417
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:43,720
Oh, Fitness First.

418
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:44,720
Yeah.

419
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:45,720
Because they weren't hiring.

420
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:46,720
Right.

421
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:47,720
So I was a member.

422
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:48,720
They weren't hiring.

423
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,480
So they like some of the, you know, I made friends with some of the instructors and personal

424
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:51,480
trainers.

425
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:57,520
They say, you know, you can try California, low barrier to entry, you know, for someone

426
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,800
like me who's still raw, you know, still trying to speak English.

427
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:01,800
Okay.

428
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:02,800
And.

429
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:03,800
You speak English.

430
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,520
Your English is perfectly fine to me.

431
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:06,520
Over the years, basically.

432
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,520
What do you mean?

433
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:08,520
Back then, really?

434
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:09,960
Back then, I didn't have any education.

435
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:10,960
Right.

436
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:11,960
Zero.

437
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,440
I only have N levels.

438
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,400
So you left school after N levels.

439
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,040
No, I did not finish school.

440
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,400
So I finished my N levels in prison.

441
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,440
So I was sent to Kaki Bukit Prison School.

442
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:23,440
Right.

443
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,440
That was my last stint.

444
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:25,440
Right.

445
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,440
Yeah.

446
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:27,440
Okay.

447
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,440
Completed my N levels there.

448
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,440
Yeah.

449
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,280
And then, you know, still trying to learn how to actually talk to people.

450
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:33,280
Right.

451
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,880
You know, because it's a different world, right?

452
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:36,880
Yeah.

453
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:43,320
So that's where I started as a towel boy and then moved on to become a membership consultant.

454
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,840
You know, do cold call, you know, sell membership, con people, basically.

455
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,840
The look on your face is priceless.

456
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,840
I hated that job.

457
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:56,840
Yeah.

458
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:57,840
Okay.

459
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:58,840
Okay.

460
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:04,640
And then, while doing that, you know, I was taking my personal trainer certification.

461
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:05,640
Wow.

462
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:06,640
Okay.

463
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:07,640
At the same time.

464
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:08,640
At the same time.

465
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:09,640
Okay.

466
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:10,640
Okay.

467
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,600
And then once I got my PT certification, then an opportunity opened up where Fitness First

468
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:19,960
was opening a new branch in Cathay at that point in time.

469
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,320
So I applied for the job.

470
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:23,320
Right.

471
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,920
And then because I don't have experience, right?

472
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,800
So they let me become a fitness instructor.

473
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,480
Basically, my uniform is different from other fitness professional.

474
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:40,640
I just wear a red t-shirt, okay, with the words, free to help behind.

475
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,640
Oh.

476
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:42,640
Yeah.

477
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:48,880
So my job is to just clean the machine, you know, and then help the members if they need

478
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:49,880
help.

479
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:50,880
Okay.

480
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:51,880
Okay.

481
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:52,880
Et cetera.

482
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,000
So that's how I actually first started.

483
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,000
In the fitness world.

484
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,000
In the fitness industry.

485
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,000
Yeah, yeah.

486
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,680
In the fitness industry, so to speak.

487
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:00,680
Okay.

488
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:01,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

489
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:02,680
And then what happened after that?

490
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:10,480
And then I got moved up to fitness instructor whereby I can start taking clients and doing

491
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:11,480
assessments.

492
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:12,480
Okay.

493
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,480
Well, that must have been quite something for you.

494
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

495
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,720
I'm pretty sure you were probably over the moon when you had that opportunity.

496
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,720
I was.

497
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:23,240
I remembered, you know, not wanting to take off my PT vest.

498
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,440
Wow.

499
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:31,120
You know, we have a uniform, okay, but when we are actually coaching, you know, with a

500
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:38,360
client, we have this vest, Nike vest that you put on that says personal trainer.

501
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:39,360
It's like an armor of honor.

502
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:40,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

503
00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:41,360
To me, I was like, wow.

504
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:42,360
Wow.

505
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:43,360
That's nice.

506
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:51,480
I even, you know, I didn't change, you know, like I go home with my uniform, you know.

507
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,480
The pride, huh?

508
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,480
Yeah, yeah.

509
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,360
So during this period, man, I mean, when you started as a towel boy, became a membership

510
00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:03,800
consultant, hated that job, went on to becoming a, you know, the person that would be the

511
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,560
backup for the trainer, right, sort of.

512
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:06,560
Yeah.

513
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,560
Yeah.

514
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:15,040
And then after that, you got, became a certified full-on hired as a PT, right, personal trainer.

515
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:21,600
Had you had any thoughts in your mind about the dark side of life that you've been leading?

516
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,640
Uh, yeah, yeah, actually.

517
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,600
Was it still on your mind?

518
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,720
Were you still thinking, pre-meditating, you know?

519
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:30,720
Yeah.

520
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:31,720
You were.

521
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:32,720
Yeah.

522
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:33,720
It was still fresh, basically.

523
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,720
Okay.

524
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,720
So it's like a transition, right?

525
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,400
Actually, it was like a identity crisis also.

526
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,600
You felt that you were having a crisis.

527
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

528
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,640
All right.

529
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,440
One is that, you know, I grew up with, you know, gangs, right?

530
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,440
Loyalty and stuff.

531
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,440
Part of life, became a part of life, basically.

532
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:51,440
Lifestyle.

533
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,560
And the way that you behave, your demeanor will be different and stuff.

534
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,880
And then at work, you know, you should be behaving in a certain way, you know?

535
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,680
And it's customer service at the end of the day.

536
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,720
You have to take a lot of shit from people, right?

537
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,200
And your colleagues and stuff like that.

538
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,720
So yeah, yeah, I was a bit raw back then, you know?

539
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,400
Got into a little bit of arguments with my colleague.

540
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,720
Disagreements because of office politics sometimes coming into play.

541
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,400
Yeah, things like that, you know, hot-headed, you know, like talking back to managers.

542
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

543
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:27,920
So I wasn't the best of employees to have back then.

544
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:28,920
Okay.

545
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,160
All right.

546
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:36,760
And then you got that vest on, you became a PT, still trying to get used to a new kind

547
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:37,760
of life.

548
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:43,720
Did you make a decision there and then that you're going to get into this, you know, whiter

549
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,680
side of life, if I may put it that way?

550
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,680
Yeah.

551
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,560
Not so much yet.

552
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:59,480
My daughter was already born back then, so I was busy with looking after her as well

553
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,840
because she's my chief, you know?

554
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:08,240
When my ex-wife was on maternity, you know, I go to work, she took care of our daughter

555
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,480
in the day and I will take care of her at night.

556
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,680
So and then moving house as well.

557
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,320
Just got the house, right?

558
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,840
So just got a home and then busy with work as well.

559
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,080
So I didn't have much time to think about it yet.

560
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,760
I was just focused on it yet, on the family.

561
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:34,560
And then when things settled down a little bit, right, then I saw the potential of, you

562
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,640
know, making a bit of money from doing personal training.

563
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:40,640
Right?

564
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,240
So I was like, oh, okay.

565
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,120
Even though it's not much, right, but to me it's like, wow, legitimate money.

566
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,760
You start to have like credit cards and stuff like that.

567
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,760
Right.

568
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,680
You know, these things, you know, come into your life, you know, and it was the prime

569
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,680
motivator, logically.

570
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,680
Okay.

571
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,720
Material stuff.

572
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:01,720
Okay.

573
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,720
Yeah.

574
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:11,000
And I wasn't really wanting to actually excel in my job, which is about making money at

575
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,760
that point in time.

576
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,080
So that was one.

577
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:25,440
And then after that, after about two years, two years later, I got divorced.

578
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,440
And then moved out.

579
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,000
And also I changed jobs, basically.

580
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,000
I mean, I was still in personal training, but I went on to a different company.

581
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,840
Yeah, I wanted to do like, to a company where I can actually work part time.

582
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,800
And then at the same time, also do my own freelance thing.

583
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:47,800
Okay.

584
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:48,800
Yeah.

585
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:49,800
What kind of freelance thing?

586
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:50,800
Personal training as well.

587
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,800
Okay.

588
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:52,800
Because the company doesn't take a cut.

589
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:53,800
I take a hundred percent.

590
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,800
Right.

591
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,800
Right.

592
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:56,800
Yeah.

593
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,720
And then slowly I shifted into venturing out by myself.

594
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,000
And doing full-time freelancing for personal training.

595
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,000
Yes.

596
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,400
And from there, then I know that I have to survive.

597
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,760
Because there's no company to back me up.

598
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,840
I have to find my own clients through referrals and stuff like that.

599
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,640
So I started to pay a bit more attention to what I'm doing.

600
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:20,640
Okay.

601
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,760
Trying to actually learn a little bit more.

602
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:23,760
Okay.

603
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,840
Be a little bit more, take a little bit more initiative in my growth.

604
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:29,840
Okay.

605
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:35,360
So that's where I started doing courses, reading more books on fitness.

606
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:39,760
And then the things that I want to specialize in, which was Caterbell back then.

607
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,760
Okay.

608
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:41,760
Okay.

609
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:48,360
So the story about Caterbell is that I'm one of the pioneer coaches that actually taught

610
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,360
Caterbell training.

611
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,360
Caterbell in Singapore.

612
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:51,360
Right.

613
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,360
Right.

614
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,360
Wow.

615
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,360
Yeah.

616
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,360
Wow.

617
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,360
Those things are monstrous, man.

618
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,360
Yeah.

619
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,360
I became quite good at it.

620
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,360
Both at using it and also teaching it.

621
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,360
Right.

622
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,360
Yeah.

623
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:14,360
So I coached a group of foreign workers, mostly Bangladeshis and Indians.

624
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,360
Hmm.

625
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,360
Yeah.

626
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,360
Yeah.

627
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,360
From construction sites.

628
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,360
Really?

629
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,360
Yeah.

630
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,360
Yeah.

631
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,360
Yeah.

632
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,360
Because Caterbells back then, nobody knew what the hell is this thing.

633
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,360
Right?

634
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,360
So it was banned from commercial gyms.

635
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,360
Really?

636
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,360
Yeah.

637
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,360
What the hell?

638
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,360
Really?

639
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,360
Yeah.

640
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,720
And that was one of the reasons why I actually got warning letters for using Caterbells.

641
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,720
In the gyms.

642
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,720
Yeah.

643
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,720
Right.

644
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,720
But it's everywhere in every damn gym now, man.

645
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:38,720
Oh, right.

646
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,720
Yeah.

647
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:40,720
Everywhere.

648
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:41,720
I have the last laugh now.

649
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,720
Fuckers.

650
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:43,720
Yeah.

651
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,720
Okay.

652
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:45,720
Fuckers.

653
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:46,720
Okay.

654
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:47,720
I mean, good for you, man.

655
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,720
I mean, every time I go to the gym, fucking Caterbells are everywhere, man.

656
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,720
So don't worry about it.

657
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,720
You're good, man.

658
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,720
You're good.

659
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,720
Okay.

660
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,720
So I'm going to go to the gym.

661
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,720
I'm going to go to the gym.

662
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:00,720
I'm going to go to the gym.

663
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:01,720
I'm going to go to the gym.

664
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:02,720
I'm going to go to the gym.

665
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:03,720
Yeah.

666
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:04,720
I'm going to go to the gym.

667
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:05,720
I'm going to go to the gym.

668
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:06,720
You're going to go to the gym.

669
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,720
Okay, good.

670
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:08,720
So you got certification.

671
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:09,720
More and more certified.

672
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,720
And you were training Bangladeshis.

673
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:11,720
Well, freaking amazing.

674
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:12,720
And what happened.

675
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:21,220
And then, I started to assist, you know, because of the growth of Caterbells, so people want

676
00:30:21,220 --> 00:30:25,020
to actually learn more from it, more about it.

677
00:30:25,020 --> 00:30:32,420
they started to call for instructors to come in to actually teach and they

678
00:30:32,420 --> 00:30:38,340
called one of the Cattlebell gurus from the States, Steve Cotter who happens to

679
00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:46,060
be my teacher as well. So I was the assistant to him in that course.

680
00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:53,020
And that was where I met your nephew. Shout out to Irving Hansen. Yeah.

681
00:30:53,020 --> 00:31:00,060
He actually played an important role in my growth. Wow. I'm glad. Shout out to him.

682
00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:05,980
And that's where he wanted, he asked me if I want to join his team.

683
00:31:05,980 --> 00:31:11,060
Because he already have a gym. Before that, there was Profit Institute.

684
00:31:11,060 --> 00:31:17,980
Before the pit. Okay. So you know, talk to him. Solid guy, nice guy.

685
00:31:17,980 --> 00:31:23,580
He understand, you know, that he doesn't judge me and stuff like that. Yeah, he's a nice guy.

686
00:31:23,580 --> 00:31:30,860
Very big heart. Yeah. So that's where I started to actually be part of his team.

687
00:31:30,860 --> 00:31:36,540
Yeah. And then he set up, after Profit closed down, he set up pit.

688
00:31:36,540 --> 00:31:42,740
So we set up the pit from scratch. And then from there, you know, I

689
00:31:42,740 --> 00:31:49,220
decided to actually part ways with him to actually open up my own.

690
00:31:49,220 --> 00:31:58,580
So dude, from prison to towel boy to gym owner. Yeah. Oh man. Fuck me. Give me a high five.

691
00:31:58,580 --> 00:32:04,460
Thank you. Fuck it. And it was a hard decision. It's called a Strength Yard, right?

692
00:32:04,460 --> 00:32:08,420
No, no. It's Strength Avenue. Strength Avenue. I'm so sorry. No problem.

693
00:32:08,420 --> 00:32:16,980
Can you have the picture up please, Leroy? We always have that confusion.

694
00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:22,340
Yeah, I always get the confusion. Yeah, you're right. Can we put that picture up?

695
00:32:22,340 --> 00:32:30,580
There you go. Yeah. Yeah, right, man. Wow, dude. Dude. Yeah.

696
00:32:30,580 --> 00:32:37,780
You know, you said something. I saw a post. And it's pretty remarkable.

697
00:32:37,780 --> 00:32:43,700
You said this. And it stirred something in me. So that's the reason why I have it on my laptop.

698
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:49,060
If you can't show up to the gym, put in the work where the environment allows you to be in control

699
00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:54,060
of what you'll be doing and adjustable to how you're feeling on that particular day,

700
00:32:54,060 --> 00:33:03,540
there is no way you're going to show up and be ready to face what life is going to be throwing at you out there.

701
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:13,540
And I got to say, I put it there for a reason, man. Because you're basically saying that what you do in the gym is akin to life.

702
00:33:13,540 --> 00:33:18,980
Yeah, it prepares you for what the hell life is going to be throwing at you.

703
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:28,180
So at that stage, when you went freelance, you became the kettlebell guy and having had the last laugh.

704
00:33:28,180 --> 00:33:38,020
And then joining Irving, right? And then getting your own gym eventually throughout this entire journey, man.

705
00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:45,220
Anything from your past ever came back to you?

706
00:33:45,220 --> 00:33:52,260
It did, every now and then. Especially when one of like, actually quite a fair bit,

707
00:33:52,260 --> 00:34:01,620
but I think one from the top of my head would be dealing with landlords basically.

708
00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:08,820
To convince them that I'm a legitimate business owner. And agents as well.

709
00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:14,980
When they meet up with me, initially to look at their space and stuff like that.

710
00:34:14,980 --> 00:34:24,980
But there's always that hesitation and also that suspicion whether I'm going to run a legitimate business.

711
00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:30,260
Yeah, and it didn't happen once or twice. It happened most of the time.

712
00:34:30,260 --> 00:34:34,260
So it's the stereotype? How do you deal with that, man?

713
00:34:34,260 --> 00:34:43,220
Sometimes there's no fighting it. Once someone's made up their mind about you.

714
00:34:43,220 --> 00:34:51,860
And then especially in a situation whereby they won't be able to have the opportunity to actually interact much with you.

715
00:34:51,860 --> 00:34:55,380
Because let's say, just viewing one or twice.

716
00:34:55,380 --> 00:35:06,660
Let it be until someone who actually either trusts me enough or desperate enough to actually have me as their tenant,

717
00:35:06,660 --> 00:35:16,020
decide to do business with me, then I have to prove to them that they were right about me.

718
00:35:16,020 --> 00:35:18,900
Do you still face that today, after so long?

719
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:27,140
Now, for the past few years, I don't have. Because I've signed my lease for the last few years.

720
00:35:27,140 --> 00:35:34,420
Not just for rental properties and stuff, for your business. I mean in general, you in general.

721
00:35:34,420 --> 00:35:44,740
Oh yeah, of course. I'm banned from entering Australia.

722
00:35:44,740 --> 00:35:48,500
You are? How did Australia get into the picture?

723
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:55,220
It's another story also. So basically about Carabell's.

724
00:35:55,220 --> 00:36:02,180
I became good at it, became quite competent in coaching it.

725
00:36:02,180 --> 00:36:06,180
I was invited to actually guest coach in Australia.

726
00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:10,500
Set up a Carabell's sport team in one of the gyms.

727
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:16,900
Spent about a year there, in Melbourne, back and forth.

728
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:23,220
Then after that, went home and then decided to visit Brisbane.

729
00:36:23,220 --> 00:36:32,100
I was telling my wife, we live in Melbourne for a while, but we've never visited the Sunshine Coast.

730
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:38,100
So we went there for a holiday. We wanted to go. I wouldn't know if it was nice or not.

731
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:51,380
Because upon reaching the airport, I was stopped at the carousel.

732
00:36:51,380 --> 00:37:05,940
Then interrogated and denied entry. Sent to the detention centre for me to wait to be deported.

733
00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:07,940
Why?

734
00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:13,220
They didn't give a reason. But they went through my phone and everything.

735
00:37:13,220 --> 00:37:19,940
I'm sure they have their reasons. That fellow has his reasons. Only one officer.

736
00:37:19,940 --> 00:37:23,220
That's weird man.

737
00:37:23,220 --> 00:37:26,260
So now you know that you are completely banned from Australia.

738
00:37:26,260 --> 00:37:31,620
It's a three year ban which already passed.

739
00:37:31,620 --> 00:37:40,660
But now if I want to apply for a visa, I cannot apply under the usual visa.

740
00:37:40,660 --> 00:37:45,540
So I have to like a special visa whereby it will take months.

741
00:37:45,540 --> 00:37:50,100
You know Bruce right?

742
00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:52,100
Yeah, unfortunately.

743
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:54,100
Like Bruce like that.

744
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:58,100
That one I didn't know. Bruce Matthew did tell me about that.

745
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:02,900
The type of visa whereby you would need police clearance and stuff like that.

746
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:06,180
And it's not necessarily you will actually get it.

747
00:38:06,180 --> 00:38:08,180
So I'm just fuck it.

748
00:38:08,180 --> 00:38:10,180
That's Australia right? Fuck it. You did not miss anything.

749
00:38:10,180 --> 00:38:12,180
Okay so.

750
00:38:12,180 --> 00:38:14,180
Things like that.

751
00:38:14,180 --> 00:38:16,180
I'm not missing much.

752
00:38:16,180 --> 00:38:18,180
Other parts of the world that will welcome you.

753
00:38:18,180 --> 00:38:20,180
Your commitment man.

754
00:38:20,180 --> 00:38:28,740
The reason why I asked about whether or not you are still facing stereotypes today.

755
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:32,740
And back then even for your business people look at you and stuff.

756
00:38:32,740 --> 00:38:37,220
And then think twice, three times whether or not they ought to do business with you.

757
00:38:37,220 --> 00:38:39,220
Because they don't know whether they are legitimate or not.

758
00:38:39,220 --> 00:38:41,220
What's the Yellow Ribbon Project for?

759
00:38:41,220 --> 00:38:45,220
Is it just for people looking for ex-offenders looking for work?

760
00:38:45,220 --> 00:38:49,220
Or is it, how about for ex-offenders who are really doing great like you.

761
00:38:49,220 --> 00:38:53,220
Coming out, being entrepreneurial, start your own thing.

762
00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:55,220
Does it help people like that?

763
00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:57,220
Like you for instance?

764
00:38:57,220 --> 00:38:59,220
You mean the Yellow Ribbon Project?

765
00:38:59,220 --> 00:39:03,220
Or am I being completely ignorant about this?

766
00:39:03,220 --> 00:39:09,220
I think there are two opinions about it.

767
00:39:09,220 --> 00:39:13,220
One is from people who don't get help from them.

768
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:19,220
And then there are people who actually get support.

769
00:39:19,220 --> 00:39:23,220
A little bit of support from them basically.

770
00:39:23,220 --> 00:39:27,220
But to be honest it's also a non-profit organisation.

771
00:39:27,220 --> 00:39:31,220
It's just under the Yellow Ribbon Project.

772
00:39:31,220 --> 00:39:33,220
Singapore basically right.

773
00:39:33,220 --> 00:39:35,220
Organisation.

774
00:39:35,220 --> 00:39:37,220
And they're doing their best.

775
00:39:37,220 --> 00:39:45,220
But as anything that has to do with, they have money.

776
00:39:45,220 --> 00:39:49,220
Any organisation that has links to the government, they have money on.

777
00:39:49,220 --> 00:39:53,220
But the problem with it is that there's a lot of red tape.

778
00:39:53,220 --> 00:39:55,220
Bureaucracy.

779
00:39:55,220 --> 00:39:57,220
Bureaucracy, bullshit and stuff like that.

780
00:39:57,220 --> 00:40:01,220
So even though the people on the ground, they have a good heart.

781
00:40:01,220 --> 00:40:03,220
Their heart is at the right place.

782
00:40:03,220 --> 00:40:07,220
But in the end they will be sucked into the system as well.

783
00:40:07,220 --> 00:40:09,220
So intentions are always good for sure.

784
00:40:09,220 --> 00:40:11,220
No one is denying that.

785
00:40:11,220 --> 00:40:13,220
But implementation is something else.

786
00:40:13,220 --> 00:40:15,220
Correct.

787
00:40:15,220 --> 00:40:19,220
What's all this about when they say we are each other's second chances?

788
00:40:19,220 --> 00:40:23,220
You're climbing mountains now man.

789
00:40:23,220 --> 00:40:27,220
So I'm talking to a guy who...

790
00:40:27,220 --> 00:40:29,220
Wow I'm really hearing stories today man.

791
00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:31,220
This is such an eye opener for me.

792
00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:33,220
I've got to tell you.

793
00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:37,220
A guy who came from a good family, from a good background.

794
00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:41,220
And who decided to seek validation elsewhere.

795
00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:45,220
And elsewhere wasn't a very good decision.

796
00:40:45,220 --> 00:40:47,220
And causing harm to people and stuff.

797
00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:49,220
Served time.

798
00:40:49,220 --> 00:40:51,220
Came out.

799
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:53,220
Started as a towel boy.

800
00:40:53,220 --> 00:40:57,220
I think deep down inside there was a seed for you, correct me if I'm wrong, to get somewhere right.

801
00:40:57,220 --> 00:41:01,220
And then went through that rite of passage, going through all the regular bullshit.

802
00:41:01,220 --> 00:41:05,220
And practically all most people do in their working life.

803
00:41:05,220 --> 00:41:07,220
To the point where you became a specialist.

804
00:41:07,220 --> 00:41:09,220
In the trade.

805
00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:11,220
And to a point where you started a business.

806
00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:13,220
Through that trade.

807
00:41:13,220 --> 00:41:19,220
And then now this guy, this guy, Andin Kadir.

808
00:41:19,220 --> 00:41:21,220
Is a mountaineer.

809
00:41:21,220 --> 00:41:25,220
I mean for fuck's sake I've never had a mountaineer in my studio before.

810
00:41:25,220 --> 00:41:27,220
Now I've got a real mountaineer in my studio.

811
00:41:27,220 --> 00:41:29,220
So I need to ask you.

812
00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:33,220
We are each other's second chances.

813
00:41:33,220 --> 00:41:35,220
And you've been climbing mountains.

814
00:41:35,220 --> 00:41:37,220
For purposes.

815
00:41:37,220 --> 00:41:39,220
For reasons.

816
00:41:39,220 --> 00:41:41,220
You believe in those reasons.

817
00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:47,220
I strongly believe so that's why I dare to actually put it out there.

818
00:41:47,220 --> 00:41:49,220
And at the same time go through the risk.

819
00:41:49,220 --> 00:41:53,220
Because mountaineering is 50-50.

820
00:41:53,220 --> 00:41:55,220
Yeah I know dude.

821
00:41:55,220 --> 00:41:57,220
Exactly man. The risks are stupendous.

822
00:41:57,220 --> 00:41:59,220
But why?

823
00:41:59,220 --> 00:42:01,220
Okay because one is because mountain.

824
00:42:01,220 --> 00:42:03,220
Because it's there.

825
00:42:03,220 --> 00:42:05,220
No lah.

826
00:42:05,220 --> 00:42:09,220
So I'm an aspiring mountaineer.

827
00:42:09,220 --> 00:42:11,220
I wouldn't put myself as a mountaineer.

828
00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:13,220
But you've climbed places man.

829
00:42:13,220 --> 00:42:17,220
I mean I look at your pictures and the places you've gone.

830
00:42:17,220 --> 00:42:19,220
I did.

831
00:42:19,220 --> 00:42:21,220
But there are more accomplished mountaineers.

832
00:42:21,220 --> 00:42:27,220
Which I also quite pysay lah to actually call myself mountaineer.

833
00:42:27,220 --> 00:42:29,220
But yeah.

834
00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:31,220
Why I decided to do it is actually for a cause.

835
00:42:31,220 --> 00:42:33,220
I don't have to climb mountains.

836
00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:35,220
Yeah I know. That's why I'm wondering why.

837
00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:37,220
I really like to know why.

838
00:42:37,220 --> 00:42:39,220
Because the idea of it came.

839
00:42:39,220 --> 00:42:41,220
Because it's both metaphoric.

840
00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:45,220
And also literal lah.

841
00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:47,220
So like.

842
00:42:47,220 --> 00:42:51,220
Me and you we both have our mountains to climb.

843
00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:53,220
Day to day.

844
00:42:53,220 --> 00:42:57,220
Our progression in life.

845
00:42:57,220 --> 00:42:59,220
And stuff like that.

846
00:42:59,220 --> 00:43:01,220
And also there's the real mountain.

847
00:43:01,220 --> 00:43:03,220
And I'm also from a fitness background.

848
00:43:03,220 --> 00:43:09,220
I have a lot of understanding of how the body works.

849
00:43:09,220 --> 00:43:11,220
So why not I actually put it to a test.

850
00:43:11,220 --> 00:43:15,220
To something that I can actually do.

851
00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:17,220
So that it has its benefit.

852
00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:19,220
Not only for me.

853
00:43:19,220 --> 00:43:21,220
Because to be honest.

854
00:43:21,220 --> 00:43:23,220
I think from my background.

855
00:43:23,220 --> 00:43:27,220
Up let's say to the story where I tell you that I already have a business.

856
00:43:27,220 --> 00:43:33,220
And I've stopped doing any kind of bullshit.

857
00:43:33,220 --> 00:43:35,220
I think good enough.

858
00:43:35,220 --> 00:43:37,220
So no more criminal activities right? Zero.

859
00:43:37,220 --> 00:43:41,220
So the cops really don't have to come after you anymore right?

860
00:43:41,220 --> 00:43:43,220
No no.

861
00:43:43,220 --> 00:43:45,220
Since the last time.

862
00:43:45,220 --> 00:43:47,220
No now they call me for engagements lah.

863
00:43:47,220 --> 00:43:49,220
To talk to kids at risk.

864
00:43:49,220 --> 00:43:53,220
So they're actually talking to you to do good.

865
00:43:53,220 --> 00:43:55,220
To help kids at risk.

866
00:43:55,220 --> 00:43:59,220
So basically I think I've done good for myself lah.

867
00:43:59,220 --> 00:44:03,220
I don't have to do anything stupid lah.

868
00:44:03,220 --> 00:44:05,220
Like climbing mountains.

869
00:44:05,220 --> 00:44:07,220
Yeah that's why I'm asking why.

870
00:44:07,220 --> 00:44:09,220
So you're saying that because to you.

871
00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:11,220
You feel that you know.

872
00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:15,220
Is it because it's a message you want to give people?

873
00:44:15,220 --> 00:44:17,220
Or is it a message for you to validate to yourself?

874
00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:19,220
That I can do this?

875
00:44:19,220 --> 00:44:27,220
No it's actually a message to both people who are from the ex-offender circle.

876
00:44:27,220 --> 00:44:31,220
And also for because now I'm working with both right?

877
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:39,220
With ex-offenders and also with people who are actually struggling in real life as well lah.

878
00:44:39,220 --> 00:44:43,220
Who are still finding themselves and stuff like that.

879
00:44:43,220 --> 00:44:47,220
And also from people from the fitness community as well.

880
00:44:47,220 --> 00:44:53,220
So I think I can hit three birds with one stone with what I'm doing lah.

881
00:44:53,220 --> 00:44:55,220
It's up to their interpretation basically.

882
00:44:55,220 --> 00:44:57,220
Do you have a lot of support from these people?

883
00:44:57,220 --> 00:44:59,220
Do these people actually watch you, follow you?

884
00:44:59,220 --> 00:45:03,220
I'm fortunate enough that they do actually.

885
00:45:03,220 --> 00:45:12,220
Because in one instance is that I had a sponsor dropped out at the last minute.

886
00:45:12,220 --> 00:45:16,220
Before I have to actually embark on an expedition.

887
00:45:16,220 --> 00:45:19,220
So I was scrambling for funds you know.

888
00:45:19,220 --> 00:45:23,220
And I did a, it's like a GoFundMe.

889
00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:27,220
Like a give Asia, like a crowdfunding thing lah.

890
00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:34,220
And yeah they raised about $16,000 for me to go on that trip.

891
00:45:34,220 --> 00:45:36,220
And the expedition. Where was that?

892
00:45:36,220 --> 00:45:38,220
That was in Amadablam.

893
00:45:38,220 --> 00:45:43,220
So a mountain that is more technical than Everest is.

894
00:45:43,220 --> 00:45:44,220
But much lower.

895
00:45:44,220 --> 00:45:47,220
Okay when you say more technical, what do you mean by more technical?

896
00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:55,220
It means the way that we climb would be a bit more different than how you would climb Everest.

897
00:45:55,220 --> 00:46:01,220
So Everest you know, there's not so much jumaring, rappelling required.

898
00:46:01,220 --> 00:46:06,220
But for Amadablam it's a bit more technical lah.

899
00:46:06,220 --> 00:46:10,220
Because it requires you to have a specific set of skills.

900
00:46:10,220 --> 00:46:16,220
So when you climb these mountains, there are funds actually being raised for these causes like the yellow ribbon.

901
00:46:16,220 --> 00:46:18,220
Correct. Not yellow ribbon actually.

902
00:46:18,220 --> 00:46:20,220
Okay can you tell us about these causes? What are they?

903
00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:26,220
So I climb mountains so that I can raise funds for two organizations.

904
00:46:26,220 --> 00:46:30,220
So one being the Muslim counseling service.

905
00:46:30,220 --> 00:46:31,220
Okay.

906
00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:34,220
Okay because you know most inmates are Malay.

907
00:46:34,220 --> 00:46:45,220
I'm not laughing at that. What you said is the way you do that.

908
00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:50,220
Okay okay. I hear you.

909
00:46:50,220 --> 00:46:53,220
I mean the statistics are there.

910
00:46:53,220 --> 00:46:55,220
And you know I want to prove to them.

911
00:46:55,220 --> 00:46:58,220
I love your frankness man. I love your frankness.

912
00:46:58,220 --> 00:47:00,220
Because I do engagements in prison.

913
00:47:00,220 --> 00:47:02,220
There's no bullshit.

914
00:47:02,220 --> 00:47:07,220
So I would like to bring the statistics down a bit lah.

915
00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:11,220
And then prove to them that you guys can actually do it.

916
00:47:11,220 --> 00:47:14,220
So what's this called again? The Muslim counseling service.

917
00:47:14,220 --> 00:47:15,220
Okay.

918
00:47:15,220 --> 00:47:18,220
The Muslim counseling service and then there's also the HCSA.

919
00:47:18,220 --> 00:47:21,220
The High Point Community Service also.

920
00:47:21,220 --> 00:47:26,220
So these two organizations deal with ex-offenders.

921
00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:38,220
So one, the HCSA, they have a lot of programs whereby they empower the ex-offenders to become mentors as well.

922
00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:46,220
And then the Muslim counseling service also give empowerment through making these ex-inmates right.

923
00:47:46,220 --> 00:47:53,220
Quranic teachers if they are eligible and qualified to be there.

924
00:47:53,220 --> 00:48:03,220
So Andin I'm wondering about this because earlier in our conversation you said that you have no regrets over the things you've done.

925
00:48:03,220 --> 00:48:09,220
And then you went into prison because it was an ambition sort of.

926
00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:10,220
Yeah.

927
00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:20,220
And then now at this stage of your life you want to prevent people from going to prison with a work with youth at risk.

928
00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:24,220
You want to also help people who came out of prison.

929
00:48:24,220 --> 00:48:30,220
Somewhere down that road there must have been a transformation.

930
00:48:30,220 --> 00:48:38,220
A light must have hit you for you to just all of a sudden turn over a new leaf.

931
00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:42,220
What was that point? There must have been an inflection point.

932
00:48:42,220 --> 00:48:43,220
Yeah.

933
00:48:43,220 --> 00:48:44,220
Right. Yeah.

934
00:48:44,220 --> 00:48:46,220
And what was it?

935
00:48:46,220 --> 00:48:48,220
My potential.

936
00:48:48,220 --> 00:48:52,220
Your potential to?

937
00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:55,220
To reach further. So for example right.

938
00:48:55,220 --> 00:49:00,220
Your potential. Okay I'm not going to really waste a breath on this.

939
00:49:00,220 --> 00:49:01,220
Correct me if I'm wrong.

940
00:49:01,220 --> 00:49:06,220
Your potential that you realize that you could actually go far in your life.

941
00:49:06,220 --> 00:49:11,220
Make something of yourself and validate your life in a much greater way.

942
00:49:11,220 --> 00:49:16,220
Because at a time when you became a towel boy then when you got that vest.

943
00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:19,220
I mean you should have seen that look on your face man.

944
00:49:19,220 --> 00:49:23,220
That look on your face was priceless.

945
00:49:23,220 --> 00:49:26,220
When you said to me when you were describing that moment.

946
00:49:26,220 --> 00:49:29,220
I felt it wholesale hit me bang on the face.

947
00:49:29,220 --> 00:49:32,220
Was it that? Was it that point?

948
00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:35,220
That sense of achievement that pride you felt.

949
00:49:35,220 --> 00:49:36,220
Yeah.

950
00:49:36,220 --> 00:49:38,220
No am I right? Am I wrong?

951
00:49:38,220 --> 00:49:40,220
No no you are absolutely right.

952
00:49:40,220 --> 00:49:42,220
So that was the point of transformation.

953
00:49:42,220 --> 00:49:44,220
I still have that photo of me you know.

954
00:49:44,220 --> 00:49:46,220
Like having that vest and stuff.

955
00:49:46,220 --> 00:49:49,220
Because it's not given straight away.

956
00:49:49,220 --> 00:49:50,220
It wasn't easy to get.

957
00:49:50,220 --> 00:49:51,220
Yeah.

958
00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:52,220
Right.

959
00:49:52,220 --> 00:49:53,220
So now you climb mountains.

960
00:49:53,220 --> 00:49:54,220
I'm jumping a little bit.

961
00:49:54,220 --> 00:49:55,220
Pardon me.

962
00:49:55,220 --> 00:49:56,220
No problem.

963
00:49:56,220 --> 00:49:57,220
I'm jumping a little bit.

964
00:49:57,220 --> 00:49:58,220
So you decided to climb mountains.

965
00:49:58,220 --> 00:50:02,220
Now we know that Andin had his transformation at that point.

966
00:50:02,220 --> 00:50:06,220
You climbed mountains because now you want to help others which is great.

967
00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:16,220
How many mountains since you started to today have you climbed so far?

968
00:50:16,220 --> 00:50:22,220
I would say about 40 peaks.

969
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:23,220
40?

970
00:50:23,220 --> 00:50:24,220
I think yeah.

971
00:50:24,220 --> 00:50:25,220
Holy shit balls dude.

972
00:50:25,220 --> 00:50:29,220
Over a length of how much time have you done 40 peaks?

973
00:50:29,220 --> 00:50:31,220
About 8 years.

974
00:50:31,220 --> 00:50:33,220
8 years and 40 peaks.

975
00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:34,220
40 peaks yeah.

976
00:50:34,220 --> 00:50:36,220
Oh fuck me.

977
00:50:36,220 --> 00:50:38,220
It might be lesser.

978
00:50:38,220 --> 00:50:39,220
It might be less so.

979
00:50:39,220 --> 00:50:40,220
No it doesn't matter man.

980
00:50:40,220 --> 00:50:41,220
You can tell me he's 38.

981
00:50:41,220 --> 00:50:42,220
I don't give a fuck.

982
00:50:42,220 --> 00:50:44,220
He's still a log man in 8 years.

983
00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:52,220
But tell me one story of these 40 peaks you've climbed.

984
00:50:52,220 --> 00:50:58,220
Was there a time I'm sure there was that made, that was the freakiest moment in your life.

985
00:50:58,220 --> 00:51:00,220
Made you have so much fear.

986
00:51:00,220 --> 00:51:03,220
Was there ever one?

987
00:51:03,220 --> 00:51:06,220
There was one actually.

988
00:51:06,220 --> 00:51:08,220
Actually the Amadablam one.

989
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:10,220
Oh the one on the technical mountain.

990
00:51:10,220 --> 00:51:18,220
The technical one where I actually got Covid when I was doing my acclimatisation rotation.

991
00:51:18,220 --> 00:51:19,220
Holy shit.

992
00:51:19,220 --> 00:51:21,220
In the mountain you got Covid?

993
00:51:21,220 --> 00:51:24,220
Yeah so I nearly died actually.

994
00:51:24,220 --> 00:51:26,220
What happened man?

995
00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:28,220
I got Covid from Singapore.

996
00:51:28,220 --> 00:51:30,220
I think I got it from a friend or something.

997
00:51:30,220 --> 00:51:32,220
Okay then you went.

998
00:51:32,220 --> 00:51:37,220
Yeah so I went and then it doesn't, the viral load doesn't spike.

999
00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:39,220
The load doesn't hit you after 3 days until about 3 days later.

1000
00:51:39,220 --> 00:51:41,220
Yeah so mine hit later.

1001
00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:43,220
About 10 days.

1002
00:51:43,220 --> 00:51:44,220
Oh shit.

1003
00:51:44,220 --> 00:51:45,220
Okay.

1004
00:51:45,220 --> 00:51:47,220
And then it...

1005
00:51:47,220 --> 00:51:49,220
Just so happened you were in the mountain at the time.

1006
00:51:49,220 --> 00:51:53,220
Yeah it peaked when I was at about 5,400 metres.

1007
00:51:53,220 --> 00:51:55,220
Like that night.

1008
00:51:55,220 --> 00:52:00,220
Day by day I started to actually become worse and worse and worse before that.

1009
00:52:00,220 --> 00:52:03,220
So I thought it's just me not acclimatising well.

1010
00:52:03,220 --> 00:52:06,220
It's just because of the altitude and stuff like that.

1011
00:52:06,220 --> 00:52:07,220
Altitude sickness.

1012
00:52:07,220 --> 00:52:08,220
Yeah yeah yeah.

1013
00:52:08,220 --> 00:52:10,220
And the air is thinner out there right?

1014
00:52:10,220 --> 00:52:11,220
Yeah.

1015
00:52:11,220 --> 00:52:12,220
5,400 metres.

1016
00:52:12,220 --> 00:52:15,220
Yeah so at night, you know that night I couldn't sleep.

1017
00:52:15,220 --> 00:52:17,220
I couldn't do much.

1018
00:52:17,220 --> 00:52:26,220
So I was like trying to fall asleep and I was always, you know, once I start to lose consciousness to sleep right.

1019
00:52:26,220 --> 00:52:29,220
You know you lose the ability to actually control your breathing.

1020
00:52:29,220 --> 00:52:34,220
That's where you start gasping for air and then just get woken up, get woken up.

1021
00:52:34,220 --> 00:52:43,220
So many times that you know up to a point where I was really exhausted and then I started to feel that I'm sleeping away.

1022
00:52:43,220 --> 00:52:47,220
You know whereby you have like it's very peaceful suddenly.

1023
00:52:47,220 --> 00:52:52,220
You feel like you are going to sleep right and your legs start to get cold.

1024
00:52:52,220 --> 00:52:53,220
Your hands start to get cold.

1025
00:52:53,220 --> 00:52:56,220
You know I'm in a sleeping bag, minus 40 sleeping bag right.

1026
00:52:56,220 --> 00:53:00,220
And you know things are not right and then it's like calm.

1027
00:53:00,220 --> 00:53:02,220
That feeling I had.

1028
00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:08,220
You know I knew that if I were to sleep that night, I will not wake up.

1029
00:53:08,220 --> 00:53:10,220
That kind of feeling.

1030
00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:11,220
Yeah.

1031
00:53:11,220 --> 00:53:14,220
That you were like going to be out of body already.

1032
00:53:14,220 --> 00:53:15,220
Yeah.

1033
00:53:15,220 --> 00:53:16,220
Okay.

1034
00:53:16,220 --> 00:53:22,220
Yeah so what I did was then I forced myself to actually sit up, woke my Sherpa up, my guide up.

1035
00:53:22,220 --> 00:53:25,220
And then I radioed base cam.

1036
00:53:25,220 --> 00:53:27,220
You know tell them how I'm feeling.

1037
00:53:27,220 --> 00:53:36,220
And they had to actually, they had me make the call whether I want to wait until tomorrow or come down that night.

1038
00:53:36,220 --> 00:53:37,220
Right.

1039
00:53:37,220 --> 00:53:41,220
So I decided to go down that night in the middle of the night about 1 or 2 am.

1040
00:53:41,220 --> 00:53:42,220
Okay.

1041
00:53:42,220 --> 00:53:43,220
And then you were flown back.

1042
00:53:43,220 --> 00:53:48,220
And then I was chopper down to Kathmandu.

1043
00:53:48,220 --> 00:53:49,220
Okay.

1044
00:53:49,220 --> 00:53:50,220
To the city to isolate.

1045
00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:51,220
Right.

1046
00:53:51,220 --> 00:53:52,220
So I isolated myself.

1047
00:53:52,220 --> 00:53:55,220
And then the ART night.

1048
00:53:55,220 --> 00:53:58,220
Okay so how I know I got COVID is because I brought an ART kit with me.

1049
00:53:58,220 --> 00:53:59,220
Okay.

1050
00:53:59,220 --> 00:54:00,220
Yeah.

1051
00:54:00,220 --> 00:54:03,220
So I didn't know I had COVID until I reached base cam that night.

1052
00:54:03,220 --> 00:54:04,220
Right.

1053
00:54:04,220 --> 00:54:05,220
So I tested and then it was COVID.

1054
00:54:05,220 --> 00:54:06,220
Yeah.

1055
00:54:06,220 --> 00:54:07,220
So went down.

1056
00:54:07,220 --> 00:54:13,220
And then after that I waited for the test to turn negative.

1057
00:54:13,220 --> 00:54:19,220
And what I did was I took a loan from a friend.

1058
00:54:19,220 --> 00:54:24,220
And I hired a heli to go back up to the mountain.

1059
00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:25,220
So you went back up.

1060
00:54:25,220 --> 00:54:26,220
Yeah.

1061
00:54:26,220 --> 00:54:27,220
Dude you are nuts.

1062
00:54:27,220 --> 00:54:28,220
To try again.

1063
00:54:28,220 --> 00:54:29,220
You are fucking with me.

1064
00:54:29,220 --> 00:54:30,220
Yeah.

1065
00:54:30,220 --> 00:54:31,220
And what happened?

1066
00:54:31,220 --> 00:54:32,220
You went back up.

1067
00:54:32,220 --> 00:54:35,220
And then obviously your lungs are fucked.

1068
00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:36,220
Right.

1069
00:54:36,220 --> 00:54:37,220
Yeah.

1070
00:54:37,220 --> 00:54:38,220
Because of COVID.

1071
00:54:38,220 --> 00:54:39,220
Right.

1072
00:54:39,220 --> 00:54:40,220
So I just wanted to make sure that I have to give it my all.

1073
00:54:40,220 --> 00:54:41,220
You know I cannot.

1074
00:54:41,220 --> 00:54:42,220
Fucking insane man.

1075
00:54:42,220 --> 00:54:44,220
I cannot like not try one more time.

1076
00:54:44,220 --> 00:54:45,220
Dude.

1077
00:54:45,220 --> 00:54:46,220
I would have gone fuck this.

1078
00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:49,220
A lot of people ask me to go home.

1079
00:54:49,220 --> 00:54:51,220
I spoke to 3 or 4 doctors.

1080
00:54:51,220 --> 00:54:53,220
Yeah of course they will tell you to go home.

1081
00:54:53,220 --> 00:54:54,220
Yeah they ask me to go home.

1082
00:54:54,220 --> 00:54:55,220
But I know my body.

1083
00:54:55,220 --> 00:54:57,220
I think you know I know.

1084
00:54:57,220 --> 00:55:02,220
And I know that I am mature enough to call it off when you know I know that.

1085
00:55:02,220 --> 00:55:04,220
Oh man my goodness.

1086
00:55:04,220 --> 00:55:11,220
Okay this is a picture I found on your Facebook with you and a Sherpa.

1087
00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:13,220
Not that one Leroy.

1088
00:55:13,220 --> 00:55:16,220
The one with the panic.

1089
00:55:16,220 --> 00:55:18,220
That one yeah.

1090
00:55:18,220 --> 00:55:20,220
Okay this was the last expedition.

1091
00:55:20,220 --> 00:55:21,220
Yeah.

1092
00:55:21,220 --> 00:55:22,220
So what happened here man?

1093
00:55:22,220 --> 00:55:24,220
You said panic attack.

1094
00:55:24,220 --> 00:55:25,220
Yeah.

1095
00:55:25,220 --> 00:55:27,220
So this one here was okay.

1096
00:55:27,220 --> 00:55:33,220
The last expedition I did 2 peaks.

1097
00:55:33,220 --> 00:55:35,220
2 6000 meter mountains.

1098
00:55:35,220 --> 00:55:36,220
Okay.

1099
00:55:36,220 --> 00:55:38,220
Supposed to be summer.

1100
00:55:38,220 --> 00:55:39,220
You know.

1101
00:55:39,220 --> 00:55:40,220
But as you can see in the picture.

1102
00:55:40,220 --> 00:55:42,220
It's a wide out.

1103
00:55:42,220 --> 00:55:44,220
Oh yeah okay wide out.

1104
00:55:44,220 --> 00:55:45,220
Which means what?

1105
00:55:45,220 --> 00:55:46,220
Blizzard?

1106
00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:49,220
Yeah so basically snowing.

1107
00:55:49,220 --> 00:55:50,220
Yeah so everything is white.

1108
00:55:50,220 --> 00:55:51,220
Yeah the clouds.

1109
00:55:51,220 --> 00:55:54,220
So you cannot see anything and you don't know where you are going.

1110
00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:55,220
You can't see the peak.

1111
00:55:55,220 --> 00:55:56,220
You can't see the sky.

1112
00:55:56,220 --> 00:55:59,220
So you can't tell elevation and anything like that.

1113
00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:02,220
Yeah so you cannot see your surroundings basically.

1114
00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:05,220
And you know that you are walking on a ridge.

1115
00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:07,220
So this is actually on a ridge.

1116
00:56:07,220 --> 00:56:09,220
So you don't know you are going to be falling off.

1117
00:56:09,220 --> 00:56:10,220
Yeah.

1118
00:56:10,220 --> 00:56:11,220
Because you can't see.

1119
00:56:11,220 --> 00:56:12,220
So it looks like it's all snow right.

1120
00:56:12,220 --> 00:56:13,220
Yeah.

1121
00:56:13,220 --> 00:56:14,220
I mean it is snow.

1122
00:56:14,220 --> 00:56:15,220
Yeah.

1123
00:56:15,220 --> 00:56:17,220
But beneath that snow is fresh snow.

1124
00:56:17,220 --> 00:56:23,220
So you can actually give way anytime and open up into a crevasse.

1125
00:56:23,220 --> 00:56:25,220
Or probably into an avalanche.

1126
00:56:25,220 --> 00:56:27,220
Oh fuck me.

1127
00:56:27,220 --> 00:56:30,220
So knowing that you are in that situation right.

1128
00:56:30,220 --> 00:56:31,220
Yeah.

1129
00:56:31,220 --> 00:56:34,220
You know and then with you being blinded.

1130
00:56:34,220 --> 00:56:35,220
It's actually suffocating.

1131
00:56:35,220 --> 00:56:36,220
It's actually.

1132
00:56:36,220 --> 00:56:37,220
Glossophobic.

1133
00:56:37,220 --> 00:56:38,220
Yeah yeah.

1134
00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:42,220
So what happened was I just couldn't breathe.

1135
00:56:42,220 --> 00:56:44,220
You know and.

1136
00:56:44,220 --> 00:56:45,220
So it was a real panic attack man.

1137
00:56:45,220 --> 00:56:46,220
It was a real panic attack.

1138
00:56:46,220 --> 00:56:47,220
I had it twice.

1139
00:56:47,220 --> 00:56:48,220
Okay.

1140
00:56:48,220 --> 00:56:49,220
Yeah.

1141
00:56:49,220 --> 00:56:50,220
On this mountain.

1142
00:56:50,220 --> 00:56:51,220
I don't blame you man.

1143
00:56:51,220 --> 00:56:52,220
Shit I'll be shitting bricks up there.

1144
00:56:52,220 --> 00:56:53,220
Yeah yeah yeah.

1145
00:56:53,220 --> 00:56:54,220
And what happened was you know.

1146
00:56:54,220 --> 00:56:55,220
This was the second one I think.

1147
00:56:55,220 --> 00:56:56,220
First or second one I can't remember.

1148
00:56:56,220 --> 00:56:57,220
But I know there was one more.

1149
00:56:57,220 --> 00:56:58,220
Whereby I took out my helmet and then I started taking off everything on my body.

1150
00:56:58,220 --> 00:56:59,220
Because it feels really claustrophobic.

1151
00:56:59,220 --> 00:57:00,220
Yeah yeah.

1152
00:57:00,220 --> 00:57:01,220
And I took off my.

1153
00:57:01,220 --> 00:57:02,220
I made a mistake of taking out my goggles.

1154
00:57:02,220 --> 00:57:03,220
Yeah.

1155
00:57:03,220 --> 00:57:04,220
And then.

1156
00:57:04,220 --> 00:57:05,220
I was like.

1157
00:57:05,220 --> 00:57:06,220
I was like.

1158
00:57:06,220 --> 00:57:07,220
I was like.

1159
00:57:07,220 --> 00:57:08,220
I was like.

1160
00:57:08,220 --> 00:57:09,220
I was like.

1161
00:57:09,220 --> 00:57:10,220
I was like.

1162
00:57:10,220 --> 00:57:11,220
I was like.

1163
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:12,220
I was like.

1164
00:57:12,220 --> 00:57:13,220
I was like.

1165
00:57:13,220 --> 00:57:14,220
I was like.

1166
00:57:14,220 --> 00:57:15,220
I was like.

1167
00:57:15,220 --> 00:57:16,220
I was like.

1168
00:57:16,220 --> 00:57:17,220
I was like.

1169
00:57:17,220 --> 00:57:18,220
Yeah, yeah.

1170
00:57:18,220 --> 00:57:19,220
Yeah.

1171
00:57:19,220 --> 00:57:20,220
And then.

1172
00:57:20,220 --> 00:57:21,220
Nearly got snow blinded.

1173
00:57:21,220 --> 00:57:22,220
Really.

1174
00:57:22,220 --> 00:57:23,220
Yeah yeah yeah.

1175
00:57:23,220 --> 00:57:24,220
So, snow blinded.

1176
00:57:24,220 --> 00:57:25,220
Take off your goggles.

1177
00:57:25,220 --> 00:57:26,220
And everything is white.

1178
00:57:26,220 --> 00:57:27,220
And then you get blinded by that water.

1179
00:57:27,220 --> 00:57:28,220
It's bright.

1180
00:57:28,220 --> 00:57:29,220
Yeah.

1181
00:57:29,220 --> 00:57:30,220
Yeah.

1182
00:57:30,220 --> 00:57:31,220
Really.

1183
00:57:31,220 --> 00:57:32,220
Because of the sun reflections.

1184
00:57:32,220 --> 00:57:33,220
Yeah yeah.

1185
00:57:33,220 --> 00:57:34,220
Right yeah.

1186
00:57:34,220 --> 00:57:35,220
So.

1187
00:57:35,220 --> 00:57:36,220
Right wowee.

1188
00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:37,240
The risk you take man.

1189
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:38,240
So yeah.

1190
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:39,240
This was the instance where.

1191
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:40,240
Yeah.

1192
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:41,240
The true person.

1193
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:42,240
Really quite something huh.

1194
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,240
They are on another level.

1195
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:44,240
They...

1196
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:50,500
They are the real mountaineers and they are like really have a very very good heart I should say.

1197
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:54,800
You know, sometimes we say people got good heart and stuff like that, you know, they're good right?

1198
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,120
But this one are like really genuine, they are the most genuine, the most patient.

1199
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,080
Yeah, I mean to do what they do, my god.

1200
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:06,020
There's a picture of you, a lovely picture of you standing on a precipice.

1201
00:58:06,020 --> 00:58:12,020
And you posted this and you wrote this. You wrote this down.

1202
00:58:12,020 --> 00:58:17,680
Let me just quote you. One reason why people don't grow is because of the inability to adapt.

1203
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:24,080
They're tied to the notion that everything needs to be planned and perfectly executed.

1204
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:29,680
Although there are merits to that, it is only applicable when the environment is stable.

1205
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:35,680
Throw in some disruptions and the unpreparedness will show and eventually crumble.

1206
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,800
So adaptability is key, especially if you're to lead.

1207
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:45,440
Don't seek to manage only during stability, but more importantly during disruption.

1208
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,520
You want to elaborate on that?

1209
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,240
And then there's this picture of you man, standing on a precipice.

1210
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:51,840
Nice right?

1211
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,600
Yeah man, nice pick man. What was this? Where was this?

1212
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:55,600
Malaysia only.

1213
00:58:55,600 --> 00:59:00,120
Hahaha.

1214
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:00,680
New buy.

1215
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:01,880
Which part of Malaysia?

1216
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:02,480
Kedah.

1217
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:03,480
Okay.

1218
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,160
Yeah.

1219
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,240
That Jurassic Park right?

1220
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,800
Yeah man, the Jurassic Park man.

1221
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:17,160
Okay so that quote that I just read out, what post you put out man?

1222
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:24,920
What is it that you're trying to say here?

1223
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,760
So basically, the last part first.

1224
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,440
Sure please.

1225
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:35,440
Everybody wants to be put in a position of power.

1226
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:40,000
Because they think it's easy.

1227
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:46,520
It's nice to be put up in a pedestal and stuff like that.

1228
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:57,600
But it's not as easy or as rosy as most people would think to be an effective leader.

1229
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:08,440
There are people who are in positions where position of leadership being put there because

1230
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,320
of their merits.

1231
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,040
But not because of their capability to lead.

1232
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:14,040
You know what I mean?

1233
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,520
There's a difference between that.

1234
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:20,000
Like a guy who has five companies and built it to a hundred million each, then became

1235
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,080
five hundred million but still not eligible for something else.

1236
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,080
That kind of guy.

1237
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:25,080
Yeah.

1238
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:29,240
That kind of guy is someone who has built something from scratch.

1239
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,760
Not put into some place that's already been built for them.

1240
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:32,760
Yeah.

1241
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:33,760
I see.

1242
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,560
You're getting where I'm going wrong with this right?

1243
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:41,440
So if you are put in that position, then it's good.

1244
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,960
But you cannot say that you are an effective leader.

1245
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,840
Or you can actually go and lead everybody.

1246
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,040
Or in any sector.

1247
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,920
In any situation.

1248
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,960
Because you haven't been tested.

1249
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,480
It's like Lego put for you already.

1250
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,320
Because you fit a certain criteria, you are there.

1251
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:01,320
Good for you.

1252
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:06,160
It's like being parachuted in because you have your scholar or something like that.

1253
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,160
Yeah.

1254
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,160
Yeah.

1255
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,600
Without the rites of passage.

1256
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:10,600
True.

1257
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:11,600
Yeah.

1258
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:22,760
But you know, there are also situations whereby you have to actually have the ability and

1259
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:30,360
the mental fortitude and the empathy to actually be able to be effective.

1260
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:38,120
And a lot of people think that there's a sad way of doing stuff.

1261
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:39,120
Which is like rigid right?

1262
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:40,120
Yeah.

1263
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:41,120
By the book and stuff like that.

1264
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:42,600
But life is not like that.

1265
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,200
You know what I mean?

1266
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:50,400
And for people who are not in a position of leadership also, who are actually struggling,

1267
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,240
that message is also for them.

1268
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,920
If you just have to fuck it and just do first.

1269
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:56,920
Don't think so much.

1270
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,320
I mean you can think of the race, everything.

1271
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,640
But you cannot expect it to go perfectly.

1272
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:06,640
Wow.

1273
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,040
Because to me the destination is not really important.

1274
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:16,600
The process of it is something that will actually benefit you the most.

1275
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,880
When you reach the destination, for example, mountain.

1276
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,000
I want to climb mountain.

1277
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,600
I never think about summiting.

1278
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:31,440
I always think about who I'm going to meet, which camp I'm going to visit, what preparations

1279
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,960
I have to make rather than thinking about the summit.

1280
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,200
I've been on many peaks and on many summits.

1281
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,160
It's not that great anyway.

1282
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:42,600
When you reach there.

1283
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:43,600
Really?

1284
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:44,600
It was a journey right?

1285
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:45,600
Yeah.

1286
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,840
It was the journey that made me want to actually do it.

1287
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,320
Same like life.

1288
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:57,960
So now, let's say if I don't become CEO of a company, it's okay.

1289
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:06,640
But if I were to actually take the same path, to actually learn for him to become the CEO

1290
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:11,600
and I do the same thing, I will learn more from it and it will benefit me in a lot more

1291
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,640
ways than me just thinking about being the CEO.

1292
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,520
I know I will not be.

1293
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,520
I will get disappointed.

1294
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,000
Okay, love that.

1295
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,800
He doesn't know this but I will say this.

1296
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:33,640
I do go to the gym though I don't know if I do but I do.

1297
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,800
What Irving wrote and it's in my head.

1298
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:43,400
There was one post I remember he wrote and he said, just shut up and leave.

1299
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:44,400
Correct.

1300
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,400
Just shut up and leave.

1301
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:51,920
And he's right man.

1302
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:57,200
It annoys us as coaches and as professionals who have been in this industry for a long

1303
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,880
time because now there are more information.

1304
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,840
People start to talk about theories and everything.

1305
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:11,000
Start thinking about the best equipment, the best this, the best that, the best way of

1306
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,920
doing it but they don't have the fight inside them to actually do it.

1307
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:21,320
I think you should start with yourself first and then think about the external factors

1308
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:22,320
later.

1309
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:32,880
Actually, that's more important than thinking about what gear to use or where to train.

1310
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,080
Some people need to make money so they come up with all kinds of stuff.

1311
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:45,840
Just one last thing before I thank you and we can stop the shoot and stop this episode.

1312
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:57,200
The climb for good that you are involved in right now, you said it's made its way to Everest.

1313
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:01,840
Can I just ask you out of curiosity, that picture you posted in that t-shirt climb for

1314
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,240
good.

1315
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:10,480
Not that one Leroy, the one of the Everest I think.

1316
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,480
I just want to ask him.

1317
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:18,240
You put it up now, is this Everest you are looking at?

1318
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,360
No right?

1319
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,400
That mountain, is that Everest?

1320
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,000
Beside Everest, Everest range.

1321
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,040
Ah the Everest range.

1322
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,400
So you weren't going to go for Everest.

1323
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,560
So this picture is taken by a Sherpa.

1324
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:39,520
This is a Sherpa that wore a shirpa.

1325
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,080
He was on Everest expedition.

1326
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:46,920
So there were a few Sherpas who actually were successful in submitting Everest this season.

1327
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:52,120
They submitted a few times, some for the 5th, some for the 6th time and they were wearing

1328
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:53,120
this.

1329
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,920
So they sent me this photo.

1330
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:57,920
And why Everest?

1331
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:02,920
So I tell you why.

1332
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:10,520
It's because it has its commercial value in terms of its name.

1333
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:15,320
But for me, I don't have to submit Everest.

1334
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:21,160
My goal is to climb as high as I can.

1335
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:28,120
Hopefully my goal would be to be able to reach any one of the 8000m peaks.

1336
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,200
Realistically that I can afford to go.

1337
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:36,160
Because Everest is $75,000 to $100,000.

1338
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,720
Oh wow really?

1339
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:43,040
So I'm doing this for a cost to be honest.

1340
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:50,040
And if someone or a company would want to give me $100,000 to climb a mountain, I would

1341
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:56,600
rather that money go to these two beneficiaries than for me to actually climb Mount Everest.

1342
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:04,080
Because to be honest, Everest has lost its essence.

1343
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,400
Too many people have already conquered it.

1344
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:11,880
So it's no longer needed to be conquered because many people have done it.

1345
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:17,920
Now that I'm into mountaineering, we hear stories and how it's climbed and stuff like

1346
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:18,920
that.

1347
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:19,920
It's lost its essence.

1348
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,920
That novelty is no more already.

1349
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:29,840
But why I put Everest is because it's the only mountain amongst the other 13.

1350
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:36,600
There are 14 8000m mountains in the world, but only Everest people know.

1351
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:44,760
So if I were to say Manaslu, Shishapangma, Choyu, nobody knows this name.

1352
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,280
So I just put Everest basically.

1353
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:55,800
And my goal is to actually be able to be on the summit of any one of the 8000m mountain.

1354
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,120
Not necessarily Everest.

1355
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,120
Not necessarily Everest.

1356
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:00,680
Okay.

1357
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:08,840
And the reason why you're doing that, to get up at these 8000m peaks of those several that

1358
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:16,080
we've got in the world, and the reason for you doing that is still to push your boundaries.

1359
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:22,320
Yes, and to be able to survive the death zone.

1360
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,920
Okay, what death zone?

1361
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:32,240
So anything above a certain altitude, especially in high mountains, right?

1362
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:38,280
7600 to 8000m and above, it's called the death zone.

1363
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:39,280
Wow.

1364
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:44,720
Whereby once you enter that altitude, your body starts to actually literally die down.

1365
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:48,000
Yeah, so your cell starts to actually die.

1366
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,000
Really?

1367
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:50,000
Yeah.

1368
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:55,520
So you cannot spend a lot of time above probably 8000m.

1369
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:56,520
Let's put 8000m.

1370
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:57,520
Yeah.

1371
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:58,520
Oh.

1372
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,000
That's why they have that oxygen mask.

1373
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1374
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,080
That's because the air is thin, but not that your cells would just, I didn't know about

1375
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:05,080
the cells dying.

1376
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:06,080
Yeah.

1377
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:15,600
Because there's only 30% of oxygen in 8000m as compared to us at sea level.

1378
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,120
So what happens to your body is your body literally starts to shut down.

1379
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:24,840
So if you hear stories about people dying or people starting to hallucinate or jump

1380
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:32,240
down, it is due to their body shutting down.

1381
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,940
The first thing to go would be your bowel.

1382
01:09:34,940 --> 01:09:35,940
First thing to shut down.

1383
01:09:35,940 --> 01:09:36,940
Everything comes out?

1384
01:09:36,940 --> 01:09:41,640
I know, it stops functioning because your body starts to tell you that you don't need

1385
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:42,640
it anymore.

1386
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:43,640
You're dying.

1387
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:48,880
So you don't have to shit.

1388
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:55,760
Any last messages you want to send to our listeners and viewers before we say goodbye?

1389
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:00,480
I don't know.

1390
01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:11,760
A lot actually, but I think I would like to thank everyone first and foremost for their

1391
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:18,760
support because I know that without the support of the people around me, I wouldn't be able

1392
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,000
to go this far because my mental is only so much.

1393
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:28,520
No matter how much I say my mental is strong and stuff like that, but the support is what

1394
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:33,760
makes me go the extra mile and wanting to keep pushing.

1395
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:34,760
No man's an island.

1396
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:35,760
So I cannot say I'm self-made.

1397
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:41,920
I never believe in the word that a man is self-made.

1398
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:48,600
It's because of a group of people that actually believe and give hope to that person to keep

1399
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:49,600
driving on.

1400
01:10:49,600 --> 01:11:01,000
At the same time, also for those who are struggling or looking for something to actually push

1401
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:11,600
on, I would say that you don't have to prove your haters wrong, but put that energy into

1402
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:18,200
proving to that one person that believed in you that they are right about you.

1403
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:22,160
It will make it a lot more worthwhile.

1404
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:23,160
Thank you so much, Andin.

1405
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,880
And thank you for being here on The Chris Hansen Conversation.

1406
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:26,880
Thank you, Chris.

1407
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,640
It's been a real fantastic chat today.

1408
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:30,640
Thank you.

1409
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:31,640
All right, everyone.

1410
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:32,640
That was Andin Kadir.

1411
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:38,760
I'm wishing him all the best on his mountaineering escapades that he'll be having over the next

1412
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,400
couple of years, whether he climbs Everest or not.

1413
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:42,400
Never mind.

1414
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,200
We cheer him on.

1415
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:49,000
There is definitely life out there, no matter what happens.

1416
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,220
Just chase after life.

1417
01:11:51,220 --> 01:11:55,720
This is Chris Hansen shining a light for you through Andin Kadir today.

1418
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,280
Have a great time, people.

1419
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:58,280
Stay safe.

1420
01:11:58,280 --> 01:11:59,280
I'll see you again soon.

1421
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:00,280
Bye-bye.

1422
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:24,640
Thank you.