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I've heard so often from so many quarters about women throwing underwear at Dudley Nones.

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I think I know why. They want to bong sway.

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Hi everyone, welcome back to the Chris Hansen Conversation.

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This is the episode that I've been waiting for for some time

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and it's also part of the series that I call A Tribute to SG Musicians.

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As you can see, as a matter of fact, it's not rolling up there right now.

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Kai, you gotta put that icon up to me, man. Come on.

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I'm giving you a second because I want everyone to know that this is,

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we're really making this official,

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it's one of my few series right now that we're dedicating to musicians.

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Here we go. There you go. Look at that. Look at that, man.

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It's nice and spinning and it looks like a 12-incher record, that is.

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Get your head out of the gutter.

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And it's my series that is the tribute to SG's music icons.

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And with me in the studio today, I've got two people.

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Put them together, I think we've got about a hundred years worth of music.

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Quite cool.

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I'm not that far, right? Quite cool.

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I have with me two veterans in the music scene,

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people who are also very much contributory to how music has been established

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as an institution here in Singapore.

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And I'm very honored and very proud to have my friends here with me.

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Dudley, known as On My Left, and Leonard Rizal, On My Right.

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Leonard Rizal Dazzle, that's what we call him.

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Dudley is just dud.

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Welcome to the studio, guys.

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Good afternoon, Chris.

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I really... Say hello.

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Hi.

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Excuse me. I'm fine, thanks.

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I'm glad you are.

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You're looking like a pineapple today.

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Thank you.

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Have you seen durian?

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I tell you, Eurasian fellas must come dressed like pineapple.

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Thanks for being on the show, guys.

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In case you guys don't know,

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Leonard and Dudley, both of them are still playing to this day.

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They've been in the same band together as well.

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How long has it been, man?

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Playing together, the two of you.

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Okay, that's life have been around...

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Oh, Dudley's been around with me for I think about 20 years.

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Correct.

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20 years, yeah.

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Holy crap!

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I didn't realize that long ago.

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And the strange thing,

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34 years ago, I was in his band.

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It was called Mervyn, Dudley, and Leonard.

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Oh, really?

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That was in 1993?

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1991, I joined you all.

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1991, I joined you all.

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1993, I was in his band.

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And then in 2003 or 2004, Dudley joined.

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I formed That's Life and he joined me.

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Okay, so the band's name is That's Life.

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Okay, you can catch them.

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You can catch these guys where again? What days and where?

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Okay, presently, Wednesdays,

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we are playing at the Singapore Recreation Club.

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Thursdays at the Tanglin Club.

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And Fridays at Union Square 2, run by NTUC.

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So three different venues in a week.

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Oh, wow, you guys are busy.

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Busy, busy, busy.

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So Dudley, known as a vocalist,

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he also plays a very, very mean keyboard.

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And Razzle Dazzle, dear Leonard, plays a mean six-string.

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I tell you, do not F around with these guys

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because these guys are absolutely amazing.

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I want to start the show this way

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because you guys have been around, combined together, seriously,

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combined together, how many years have you guys been playing?

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For me, now it's 46 years.

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For me, it's 40.

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40 and 40, almost 100 years?

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86 years, okay, wowee.

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Wowee.

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Mine was in 1983, my first band, Bandwagon.

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Dudley's was?

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1976.

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What band was that?

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Well, before Gingerbread, we had Cold Sweat.

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So, and then when Cold Sweat really melted,

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then we became Gingerbread after that.

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When I had Jason in there,

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they told me Jason mentioned Cold Sweat,

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and I laughed and I laughed and I laughed.

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He was started by Gabriel, right?

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The handsome guy.

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Hey Gabriel, yes, you're handsome.

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I know, I know you are.

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We're not making fun of you, okay?

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And the last time we had the show,

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he actually messaged me, I'm not ugly.

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I know.

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Oh, you know.

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I called Dudley and said,

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Gabriel is a very good-looking guy.

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Oh, that's Jason for you.

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Jason, but Cold Sweat, man.

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There is something I still cannot understand.

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Okay, so your first band was Cold Sweat.

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Cold Sweat, 1976.

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Oh God, I was six years old.

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I wasn't born.

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You're right.

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When you started, I was 13 years old.

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So, in 1976 you went Cold Sweat,

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then after that, where did you go?

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Okay, 1976.

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Well, I started piano playing when I was 12.

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So, school band, drums, and move on.

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You played drums?

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Wow.

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So, that's where I picked up percussion.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's right.

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You played a mean percussion.

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I forgot all about that, man.

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Oh, Oye Komova.

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Oh, Oye Komova.

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Black magic woman, man.

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and I was still in school.

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1st of May, 1976.

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Oh, here we go.

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I'm hearing that again.

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Same, it's because Jason and myself built up the band.

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76 was our first signed black and white contract

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with the Dennis Cocktail Lounge

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at the Indonesian Embassy, Orchard Road, opposite Siketang.

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Hmm, that one you didn't say.

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So, the contract was signed with?

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We had an agent who came up to us,

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his name was KB John.

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So, he signed up the contract, he said,

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okay guys, three months, and I still remember

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we were getting about $350 each for that time.

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But in those days, that was big money, right?

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So, our band was six piece,

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there was Jason, myself, Moses, Gabriel,

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and we had two horn players, six of us at the time.

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But let me just go back and rewind a little bit.

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I'll get back to you soon, Leonard.

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Let me just rewind back a little bit.

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When did you actually pick up any instrument?

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but actually on biscuit tins.

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We can still open the can and eat the biscuit,

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and take the chopsticks, you know,

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two chopsticks each, left and right,

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the greater the resonance coming out from those drums, right?

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Eat more biscuits.

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Empty the damn tin.

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Okay, so you started with, no kidding, right?

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You started with the biscuit tins,

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which is when I learned to tune the snare drums.

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I learned to read drum music, you know, playing in a school band.

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He was the instructor for the school band at that time.

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Wow, lucky you guys. What school is this?

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St. Gabriel's Secondary School.

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So, very lucky, yes, St. Gabriel's.

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Yeah, so that's how I started playing the drums.

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my thought was to be a politician or a lawyer.

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Law-logist.

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So, I call that a lawyer buruk.

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Then what happened? What happened to that?

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Then I was amazed that my brother Melvin,

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you know, Melvin was already playing,

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and I said, wow, this guy, not bad.

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When I grew up, I want to play and be like him.

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picked it up from there, and Melvin, I think, was a good inspiration.

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He took me to Barbrella, he was playing at this Barbrella,

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it was Minkhort Hotel.

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Okay, Minkhort Hotel, Barbrella.

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That was 1975.

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And Jason told me the same thing about Barbrella as well.

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There was one spot where every musician would go and say,

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wow, you know, I want to play like that.

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But during that time, it was difficult because

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if you're not careful, you're going to drugs at that time.

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And because of that, long hair, drugs,

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and I think the government had to shut down all the clubs,

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like Pink Pussycat, Barbrella.

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Did the government shut these clubs down?

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They did eventually in 71, 72, around there.

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Fuck you know, it sounds like what's happening today,

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in Orchard Towers, right?

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They're shutting down Orchard Towers, man, I mean, the four floors of...

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So, I normally go to the fifth floor.

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It's got the rooftop.

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Okay, so you started playing that way.

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Also, starting from a school band,

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fortunate enough to have Rufino Soliano as your band conductor, is it?

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He was teaching us how to hold the sticks and do all the drums,

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rolls, and how to read drum music at that time.

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So, I was fortunate.

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So, from there, I picked up more rhythm,

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and cold sweat was emerging at that time.

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Because Gabriel, myself, and Moses were from St. Gabriel, except Jason.

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So, what happened to cold sweat eventually?

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Ran out of sweat? Got hot?

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I think with cold sweat, they died.

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It was like a stroke coming on, you know?

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Yeah, because we had another drummer named Reggie Campbell.

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He was from St. Gabriel School also,

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and when he was done with his secondary four,

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he and his family migrated to Australia.

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So, we were lost without a drummer,

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and then somebody said, we were looking for a drummer,

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and somebody said, there's one guy selling cameras.

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You know?

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Why are you huckering?

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Have you heard this before?

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Right, where the guy selling the camera was seated,

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right where you are sitting now.

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Yeah, correct.

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Telling me about him selling cameras,

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and I laughed my ass off.

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So, somebody said, there's one guy.

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The guy from Tanglin Shopping Centre selling cameras.

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No, no, he was at Mohantz.

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Oh, Mohantz.

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Orchard Road.

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Oh, yeah, okay. So, that's where he met.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. He couldn't remember the place.

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Mohantz. Then, Gabriel went to Reggie,

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and see who this bloke is.

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So, Gabriel went to see this guy, tall,

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long hair, covered the ears, so you got to lift up the head,

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and speak otherwise you can't hear.

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Jason Shahul. That's for you.

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Jason Shahul.

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So, Jason said he can play, but he never tried playing with the band,

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but he wouldn't mind giving it a try.

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So, we got him together, and we started to rehearse

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at this Kampong Java studio or something.

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I can't remember what it was.

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Kampong Java, okay.

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And then the four of us started to practice there,

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and that's when Gingerbread had started the small embryo of that.

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And we were still cold sweat.

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Then, across the glass, there was this guy who runs the studio, Alfonso.

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Alfonso Sousa.

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So, he pipped, and he said, this guy's not bad, you know.

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So, he spoke to us, and said, maybe get us a name for the band.

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What was the name of the band? I said, Cold Sweat.

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Ay-yo, you know.

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So, I think the next few days or the next day, he called,

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I don't know who he was, maybe he was very close to,

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I don't know how come he was so close to Jason,

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so he called Jason and said, how about Gingerbread?

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And that's how Gingerbread was born.

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Yeah, I was wondering about how come your call is all like roti, right?

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We're earlier.

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Mmm, roti earlier.

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So, that's how everything started for you.

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And you were with Gingerbread for how long?

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Good 25 years, actually.

287
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Oh, wow.

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Because I've been in and out of Gingerbread for a while, for certain reasons.

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Where was I, in 19, it was in the 80s, I think, or 78, 78, 79,

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we went up to Kota Kinabalu, the six of us with two horn players.

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So, we were there for about a year,

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and then that took us one year, then we came back,

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then we went to Sarawak for another few months,

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and I had to leave the band in 81, I think I had something else to do.

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But before I left, we had to get a new guitar player because Gabriel wanted to go on his own,

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I think he wanted to do a duet with a girl or something like that,

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and the horn players wanted to leave, and so that left me, Jason, and Moses.

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And Jason was saying, why don't we get a girl singer?

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And I normally don't really, I don't appreciate, but I like to have a girl singer, but...

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Don't appreciate the girl, huh?

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I wouldn't mind if she could play an instrument.

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So, fortunately, this lovely lady, somebody mentioned,

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because she was doing this Talent Time thing, and she was a winner, and said, why don't we get...

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And we said, not bad, because she can play keyboard now, two keyboard players,

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and then we had to get a guitar player, and we had Bani Farouk, the late Bani Farouk.

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Fantastic.

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So when Bani Farouk joined the band, the whole scene of the music was uplifted to more of like jazz,

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fusion of style, which I also learned to pick up from him,

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and by the time Anne got together and she had good skills of chords, chords playing,

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which I also picked up from her, you know.

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So the band was really solid with Moses, he had his own iPad in his brain,

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he didn't have to write any lyrics or anything like that, so the band was really good at that time.

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When we were at the Cockpit Hotel, that was in 81, I think, when she joined the band.

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Right. Careful, there you go. You can't try to do it.

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Yeah. Okay, so at that time, we were offered to go into the Malay music market,

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and we said, why don't you guys go and do this, maybe, you know, it's much...

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The market is bigger, because Singapore, Malaysia, you've got Indonesia, and whatever.

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Record sales would be a lot better.

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Yeah.

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So with Moses looking like one of the alley cats, you know,

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and somebody come up and say, hey, we do two songs.

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Wait, wait, wait, wait, just in case you have younger viewers out there,

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and people from the rest of the world watch, because it's going to be online, right?

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Okay.

325
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Can you please tell everyone, what do you mean, looking like one of the alley cats?

326
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Okay, alley cats is a very popular Malaysian band.

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They got the two brothers who are frontline, who had the afro bigger than the mop, you know.

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So Moses' hair was like touching the ceiling.

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So I remember when Moses had to comb his hair, he didn't use a comb, he used a fork.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

331
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So it was a fork.

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And so, because Moses had that kind of look and identity,

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and then the producer said, why don't we do two originals, which was written by...

334
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I'm not sure who wrote the song, but we recorded it.

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I think it was Kucari Damai Di Hati and Bukan Kerada De Dam, if I'm not mistaken.

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And fortunately, it was a hit.

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With Moses and Anne, I think they really zoom up the song so well.

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And after we recorded that, then I had to leave, not because I did not agree.

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I think I didn't want to travel too much to promote the album or something.

340
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But you know something, Dali, I want to ask you,

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and try and jog your memory a little bit, because I've just jogged mine.

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A long, long time ago, after you left Gingerbread,

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I remember I was cycling down East Coast Park.

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I think that was likely in the late 80s, somewhere in the late early 90s.

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And I saw you.

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And a group of people, I figured you guys were all from the same band, all dressed in white,

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taking shots on the beach.

348
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But that wasn't Gingerbread.

349
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You guys were taking a shot for your band.

350
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I was right, right? You remember that?

351
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I do.

352
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Okay. I was on the beach, you know, I saw you. You remember that?

353
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Yeah, out of $355,000,000, we made $0.3 in there.

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And I was wondering, well, these guys all dressed in white, man.

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Did I take the picture for you?

356
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No.

357
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No, right? It was another guy.

358
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Maybe, I don't know.

359
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Just once I took a picture of you and your new band.

360
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I think so. Were you in East Coast at the time?

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Jarrad Kisperi.

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I think Leonard was the one.

363
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Okay, we'll hang on a second. Yeah, Jarrad Kisperi was there as well, together with you.

364
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Yeah.

365
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So, but it wasn't Gingerbread.

366
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No.

367
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What's the name of the band?

368
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It was...

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Dudley and Friends?

370
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No, no. It was COE Included.

371
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Oh, yes.

372
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COE Included.

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So, okay, so after Gingerbread, you ended up with that man.

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No. That was much later because when I left Gingerbread, for some reason, because I didn't want to travel and follow up.

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Not because I was not in good terms or I didn't agree with it.

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Right, so it was an inimical building.

377
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Yeah, so they agreed. So, when I very fast forward, when I left, they got good Gavin Kudosa to take my place.

378
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Yeah, yeah, Gavin.

379
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Right.

380
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Oh, Gavin took over you.

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Yeah, so it was good. So, the band still moved on without me. So, on Gingerbread's album in the Malay market, you can see either my photo there or Gavin's photo, somebody else, right?

382
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Right.

383
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What I did was, I joined the experiment when they came back from Europe. That was in 18...

384
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You were part of the experiment.

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...for five years. So, it was just, the timing was good. I left, the experiment came back, then Mervyn asked me, you know, the four of us, so we have you.

386
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Okay, so basically, you went to the experiment simply because they were not traveling.

387
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They were traveling too much and I didn't want to do that.

388
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No, but experiments were not here.

389
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No, no, sorry. When experiments came back from Europe, I think they were there about four years. So, they wanted to come back for good.

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So, it suited you.

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Yeah, so we said, Mervyn said, okay, can we join? But these are the conditions. We're going to make our keyboards all in white. We're going to dress up all in white. Remember?

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So, that was, I think, in 1983. And for a start, to get the band going, we played a two-month gig at the Shangri-La to replace Matthew in the Mandarin.

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Okay.

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Okay, so after two months, we built up more repertoire. Then we went to C.V. Hotel for a good four years. And then we went to Peppermint Park at the Parkway Parade.

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Wow, Dennis Foo's.

396
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Dennis Foo, yeah. So, that was in and out. And when that whole ordeal was complete, five years, I think, with experiments, it was a good experience because I picked up a lot of singing with that band.

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Because I think Joe Chandler let me do some of some, not only him singing. So, besides Mervyn, Joe and myself did more singing than the rest of the guys.

398
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Okay.

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When that ordeal was done for five years, I think Gingerbread was, you know, Jason said, hey, come back, come back. I said, I will only come back if experiments is going to be disbanded.

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And just in time, the bass player Robert wanted to go back to Germany. Joe Chandler wanted to do all the gospel songs. And Mervyn looked at me and said, yeah, he'll do solo. You go play alone.

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And I said, okay. Then I told Jason, I will come back.

402
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Okay.

403
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So, that's how we joined Gingerbread, I think in 87, 88.

404
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Okay.

405
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And then who's the COE included?

406
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Oh, the COE included was a temporary getaway for me because I didn't know what to do when I can't remember where I left off. And I said, okay, I got some guys, myself, Farid, Ewan and some boys just for a while at the Peranakan place.

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Yeah, Bibis and Baba.

408
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No, it's another name for that. It was Bibis.

409
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Bibis. Bibis.

410
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Peranakan place should be Bibis.

411
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Was a DJ at the time this fat guy named John?

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I think so.

413
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Okay, then it was Bibis.

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So, that was DJ, COE included. I think about a year plus and then we all had to go our own ways and I was back with Gingerbread. I didn't know.

415
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No, you went to Plaza Hotel.

416
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Ah, right.

417
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See, I remember.

418
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Right.

419
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That day in France?

420
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That day in France?

421
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We went to Plaza Hotel at Beech Road and it was called Club 5.

422
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Club 5. And then he was playing all the cha-cha-cha.

423
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That's right. That's where I learned all the ballroom dance music and the customers would tell me if you do cha-cha, it must be 120 beat per minute and then rumba 98 and walls.

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I don't even believe why the fuck I was there, man. Why was I doing there, man?

425
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You were around watching every move we made silently.

426
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You were like Mr. Colombo.

427
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You caught me out there. As much as I've told Jason and Ann how much I admired Gingerbread way back when I was 14 years old and I always wild my way into Tavern of the Square to watch these guys play, I've watched this man perform since I was a kid.

428
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Okay? And whenever I hear who's playing where Dudley Nones is there, I will go.

429
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Then when I and when you guys started playing together, right? And I've never been at that time. I heard so much about the place called 57 Chevy, which we'll talk about later on.

430
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But you know, I went there because someone told me Dudley Nones is playing there and I went, no fucking way. So that's how we started. It was because I heard his name.

431
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Wow.

432
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Okay. So frankly, I've been watching you, man. When you were in Club 5, I mean, come on man. Me fucking Club 5 watching people doing cha-chas and shit.

433
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You know, the strangest thing about what you say, been watching me, you know, I, when you saw me taking the photograph at the East Coast beach, suddenly you popped up from nowhere.

434
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What is this guy doing here? Okay. Every time I perform, whether it's in a Chevy, 57 Chevy or Club 5, I could always feel a pair of eyes looking at me.

435
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Don't make me sound like a stalker, man.

436
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It's a real CH.

437
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No, but you have to understand, man. I mean, for some of, me, how I work and how I used to learn stuff is I go around and I watch people. It's been like, it's been my habit all my life.

438
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I used to skip school before and you know, and if I hear someone from TMF, the music force, is going to be hosting something like a live satellite show in Parkway Parade.

439
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And I'll end up there. That was my lesson for the day. I'll be on the second floor looking down from the managers and learning from whoever was behind the microphone.

440
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And every which way I could learn, even if it's going to be on Radio 1, the old 90.5 now is called Gold, right? I would listen in the mornings, I'd wait in the mornings and listen to Roger Cool.

441
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And I'd listen to Victor Cool, you know, and in those days you had Force 255 and let's see, the player came on as a corporal, right?

442
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And I would listen to these guys, you know, and I'll mimic and I'll mimic and I'll mimic and I'll mimic until I get something.

443
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Then when it comes to music, when it came to music, I mean, you guys, I told Ann and I told Jason this, I gave him my tribute really and I'm giving you guys my tribute as well.

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That there's always something to learn, something to pick up, right? So, and Doug, wherever you went, man, as far as I could, as far as I could, through the years, I go.

445
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You're not the only one, there was also Dougie, when he was a culture shock playing in Ming Arcade, right? At Rainbow.

446
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And then after that, when he moved over to Sparks, or Fire and Sparks of Energy, right? Culture Shock was at Rainbow.

447
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Then after that, I went over to Energy. I went to watch. I just wanted to watch. I just wanted to soak it all in, you know?

448
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This is how I learned stuff. No one's going to reach out and teach you. So you got to go there and watch. So I followed to learn. Right? So you're one of those guys too.

449
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Thank you.

450
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You know, I just want to go and see how you guys do it. But I want to address the elephant in the room.

451
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You just call him elephant.

452
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I want to ask you something, man.

453
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Hey, Kai, this is a wonderful picture of Dudley. Could you put it up, please?

454
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Oh, Dios.

455
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There's this wonderful picture I put in there.

456
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Yeah, that's the one.

457
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Wow.

458
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That's Dudley known as, ladies and gentlemen. Check this dude out, man.

459
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He was one of those really, one of those gorgeous men who would appear on stage. And I swear I've heard rumors. I've not seen it personally myself through the years.

460
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Women used to throw underwear at you. Is that true?

461
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I can't remember.

462
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What I wish they did.

463
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They used to throw G-strings before. But now they throw the parachute.

464
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I swear.

465
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The parachute.

466
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Parachute underwear.

467
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I know that time with Gingerbread, we used to play at the university, what do you call it, the campus. And those girls up there used to throw underwear.

468
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No. Crush the newspaper and they put a phone number and call.

469
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Really? When no one threw underwear at you?

470
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I think they did.

471
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:47,000
Come on, speak the truth, man. Please, please, please. Once and for all. I really want to know the truth.

472
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,000
Who told you that anyway?

473
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,000
I tell you, I've been hearing it for every circle, man, through the years.

474
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,000
I think they are mentioning it.

475
00:27:53,000 --> 00:28:00,000
I tell you something, there was one particular time. You don't know this, I will share this with you guys. You don't know this either, okay?

476
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:09,000
Do you remember there was a time somewhere in the early 90s, about 93, 94, around there, this man visited me in my office.

477
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,000
Oh yeah?

478
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:16,000
Yeah. And then the ladies in my office were like gawking.

479
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,000
No lah.

480
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:26,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. After you left, my god, I was ambushed by all these women, which was a good thing, because you were there and then at least they ambushed me.

481
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000
How old were they?

482
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,000
No, they were all about my age.

483
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,000
How old were you then?

484
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:37,000
In my 20s, man. And then these girls were like, oh my god, who was that guy? Who was that guy?

485
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:48,000
I mean, dude, you were like, you know, not that you're not today, but back then you were like, whoa, dude, talk about good looking, man, like freaking Brad freaking Pitt, man.

486
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,000
Tom Cruise.

487
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:59,000
Tom Cruise. And they were gawking over you. Really. So tell me once and for all, get this off my freaking chest.

488
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:09,000
This is a spectre over my head, one of the many spectres over my head, and that would be, did women throw underwear at Dudley known as On Stage?

489
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,000
No.

490
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Balls.

491
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:17,000
Maybe they did, I can't remember. Maybe they threw it at Jason.

492
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,000
Jason cannot be seen, he's behind the drums.

493
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,000
He would have caught it. I mean, maybe for your sake, I would say yes.

494
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000
Come on. No, the truth, the truth. Really, really.

495
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000
I can't remember.

496
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,000
Seriously?

497
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,000
Yeah, I can't remember.

498
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:43,000
Anne said something like, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, you know? Yeah, even she said she wouldn't be surprised, but I've heard so often from so many quarters about women throwing underwear at Dudley known as Goodness.

499
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,000
I think I know why. They want to bonk away.

500
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:53,000
Okay. I've heard your story. Now I'm going to pay my attention to Mr. Razzle Dazzle.

501
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,000
Good.

502
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,000
Yeah. So, Leonard.

503
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,000
How did you start, man?

504
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,000
Playing in the band or playing music?

505
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,000
Music, music per se. Let's start with that.

506
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,000
Okay. I, in 1971.

507
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000
Holy shit, I was a year old.

508
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,000
1971, I was in sec two, I passed my exam.

509
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,000
Holy shit, you were 14 and I was just born, about a year.

510
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:26,000
And then my dad said, I'll buy you something since you passed your exams pretty well.

511
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:37,000
So it was like end of the year and my brother, Edmund came to my house and he said, what are you going to ask dad for? So I said, I want to buy a projector.

512
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Edmund's your brother, right?

513
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,000
Edmund Razzle.

514
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,000
Okay.

515
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000
Yeah. I said I wanted those projector, battery operated projector.

516
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,000
Then he says, no, ask dad for guitar. I said, guitar.

517
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:56,000
He said, yeah. So Edmund, Edmund came to, Edmund doesn't stay with my family. He's brought up by my auntie.

518
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,000
So during Christmas time, he will come and stay with us.

519
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,000
So he said, you know, you play guitar, a lot of girls will come for you.

520
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:10,000
So I followed him. I remember I followed him. We went to Bras Bassa Road. We went to Catholics and Catholic center.

521
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,000
Bras Bassa complex?

522
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,000
The old Bras Bassa next to SGI. They had like a...

523
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,000
Oh, yeah. The one along Waterloo street.

524
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000
Yes. Then we went there and he brought his guitar.

525
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
It's still there. The Catholic center. Yeah. Something like that.

526
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,000
He brought his guitar. So he had some CHIJ girls.

527
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:32,000
And also he played the guitar. I still remember. I'd rather be a sparrow.

528
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,000
Simon and Garfunkel.

529
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,000
At that time it was a popular song.

530
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:42,000
So I sat with him and then some of the girls came and said, can you play the song? Can you play that song?

531
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,000
He just only knew a couple of songs only, you know.

532
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,000
So I said, wow, not bad. Play the guitar.

533
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,000
And then the girls were coming.

534
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,000
So my dad said, so what do you want? I said, I want a guitar.

535
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,000
I said, I want a guitar.

536
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:02,000
So he followed me and we got a cheap... I forgot what brand guitar it was.

537
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,000
It was a popular brand at that time. Very cheap.

538
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,000
But it wasn't electric guitar.

539
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,000
It wasn't. No, it was a nylon string.

540
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,000
So he taught me.

541
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,000
I'd rather be a sparrow than a snail.

542
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,000
E minor, G, E minor, G, chorus, go C.

543
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:24,000
I was just learning. That was Christmas 1971.

544
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,000
So came Christmas 1972. My brother came to my house.

545
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,000
Because every year he comes and stays during Christmas time.

546
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000
He was still playing, I'd rather be a sparrow.

547
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,000
But I was playing Reflections of My Life.

548
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,000
How did that happen? Let's rewind that a little bit.

549
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,000
So he started with Simon and Garfunkel.

550
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,000
What's the title of that song, man?

551
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,000
I'd rather be a sparrow.

552
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,000
El Condo Pasa.

553
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,000
El Condo Pasa, that's it.

554
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,000
From El Condo Pasa, did he end up learning a lot more songs?

555
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,000
How did that happen?

556
00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:01,000
Because when I went to Sect 3, I sat next to this guy called Colin Oliveiro.

557
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,000
His father was a musician.

558
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000
And he plays guitar very well.

559
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,000
He came from St. Pets.

560
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,000
You know, he joined ATSI.

561
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000
In Britain, people usually come from St. Pets.

562
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000
Oh, yeah.

563
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,000
And St. Gabriel's.

564
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,000
And St. Gabriel's, yeah.

565
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,000
Okay, I wouldn't get away from you.

566
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000
He sat next to me and we became friends.

567
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:25,000
When I went to his house, I said, wow, this guy can play grand funk.

568
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,000
And he can play all these really far ahead of me songs.

569
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,000
So I mixed around with him and he taught me a few things.

570
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:40,000
And by the time end of 1972, I could play many more songs.

571
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,000
So your repertoire grew.

572
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,000
Yeah, my repertoire expanded.

573
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,000
My brother came and said, no.

574
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,000
Instead of him teaching me, I'm teaching him now, you know.

575
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,000
Every year when he comes, I'm teaching him more new songs.

576
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,000
Okay.

577
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,000
So you end up at the Catholic Centre playing again.

578
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,000
No, but I never went down.

579
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000
I'm a very shy guy.

580
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000
Back then, I was very, very, very shy.

581
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,000
Yeah, fellow just said he's shy.

582
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000
Back then, I was very, very, very shy.

583
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Shy of girls, really.

584
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,000
Oh, fuck.

585
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000
I tell you, he's very shy.

586
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,000
I even said when he come here, you talk more, I talk less.

587
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,000
I say you very shy.

588
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,000
You know, when girls hold my hand, my hand all shaking.

589
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000
Everything shakes.

590
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,000
So I am takut of girls.

591
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000
And then eventually...

592
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,000
Now not takut.

593
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,000
Thank God for that, okay.

594
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:36,000
And then 1973, after Sec 4 in 1974, we formed a church band.

595
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,000
Gravity.

596
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Gravity.

597
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,000
The band's name is Gravity.

598
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,000
Heavy, boy.

599
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,000
And then...

600
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,000
Cold sweat and Gravity.

601
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,000
Then I went...

602
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,000
Then after that, 1974, 75, I went to the army.

603
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000
I went to the Navy.

604
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,000
And BMT, who was the corporal?

605
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,000
It was Mel Ferdinand's brother, Dennis Ferdinand.

606
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,000
Dennis Ferdinand was my corporal.

607
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,000
And he came and said, okay, how many of you can play guitar?

608
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,000
So I put out my hand.

609
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,000
Suddenly I became his buddy.

610
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000
We all became buddies.

611
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Every night, he would come over, we bring guitar, and we would play.

612
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,000
So we picked up.

613
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,000
As we were going, I was picking up guitar.

614
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,000
And then eventually I met some guys who can play solo.

615
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000
And they were showing me a little bit how they do solo.

616
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,000
And then...

617
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:36,000
Then fast forward to 1982.

618
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,000
That time I could play some country songs.

619
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,000
And I used to watch this band, 4 Plus 1, which eventually became Bandwagon.

620
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,000
And then the guitar player...

621
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
I used to go there.

622
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,000
Whenever I finished work, I'd rush over.

623
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,000
They would play during happy hours, or sometimes they'd play from 8 o'clock to the inn.

624
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,000
They had two bands, the alternate.

625
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,000
Where?

626
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,000
At Payton Place.

627
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,000
Okay, Payton Place, boy.

628
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,000
That name.

629
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,000
You were on the fifth floor, but he was on the other floor.

630
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Correct.

631
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,000
And then I met this guy, Philip De Silva.

632
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,000
Well-known guitar player.

633
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000
I think he played with Dadi before.

634
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,000
And he was...

635
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000
He was playing smoke on the water.

636
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,000
And I said to myself, I still remember that night.

637
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,000
I said, wow, even if 20 years, I can't play smoke on the water.

638
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,000
You know, you give me 20 years, there's no way I can play it.

639
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,000
But Leonard, that's basic to you now.

640
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,000
Of course.

641
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,000
Super basic.

642
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,000
When I first started, when I saw these guys playing, I said, wow, there's no way.

643
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,000
There was a little admiration.

644
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,000
Okay, okay, okay.

645
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,000
So he saw me and he said, wow.

646
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000
I said, I like to play guitar.

647
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,000
Can you teach me?

648
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,000
He said, yeah, yeah, yeah.

649
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000
He taught me some licks.

650
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,000
And then eventually he came to my house.

651
00:36:54,000 --> 00:37:00,000
He says, okay, he said, I'll teach you guitar, but you buy me lunch.

652
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,000
You know?

653
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,000
I said, okay, I'll get my mom to cook for you lunch.

654
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,000
You come over.

655
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,000
So he came over for lunch and then he would teach me.

656
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,000
And then eventually he says, I'll give you next week.

657
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,000
You learn this song.

658
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,000
Whatever.

659
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,000
I forgot it was a country song.

660
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,000
I think it was Working Man Blues, if I'm not wrong.

661
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,000
Working Man Blues.

662
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
There was a nice guitar solo there.

663
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,000
And he says, next week I will call you on stage.

664
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,000
You have to learn this solo, like that.

665
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,000
And I'll call you on stage.

666
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,000
So I went and I called all my friends from the Navy at the time.

667
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,000
We went down to see him.

668
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,000
And he called me.

669
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000
I tell you, I still remember the day he called me up on stage.

670
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,000
I went up and my legs were shivering and shaking.

671
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,000
It's your first time on TV?

672
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000
I never played on stage.

673
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,000
Wow, okay.

674
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,000
I never played on stage and played with a professional band where now the guitar player took out his guitar and says,

675
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,000
You play this song and you're going to walk down.

676
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,000
So I sat on a stool, I remember.

677
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,000
I sat on a stool and my legs couldn't just stop moving.

678
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,000
It was just...

679
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,000
And I played Working Man Blues.

680
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,000
And I was so nervous and I came down.

681
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000
My brother Mervin was there.

682
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,000
He said, wow.

683
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000
And all my friends, no bad, no bad, no bad.

684
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000
They gave me confidence.

685
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,000
I still followed the band.

686
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,000
And then in 1983, that was in 1991, right?

687
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,000
1981, now 1983.

688
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,000
They offered me to play in the band.

689
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Wow.

690
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000
They had a manager, CJ Frederick.

691
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000
He was an American guy.

692
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,000
And he says, because at that time, Matthew and the Mandarin had a steel guitar player.

693
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,000
Michael Peng.

694
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:39,000
And then Don Lunis and the Mavericks who were playing at Genevieve had a steel guitar player, Peng Koon.

695
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,000
So they said they also wanted a steel guitar player.

696
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:50,000
So this guy, CJ Frederick said, I'll buy you a steel guitar on one condition that you play with this band and this band only.

697
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,000
Bandwagon.

698
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,000
So I said, of course.

699
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,000
That's 1983. No internet, nothing.

700
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:03,000
So we found out Ivor Lesler had a steel guitar.

701
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,000
Ivor Lesler calling out to you, man.

702
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,000
Yes, Ivor Lesler had a steel guitar.

703
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,000
And Philip and I went over to his house.

704
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,000
He sold it to us for $2,000.

705
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,000
I still remember $2,000.

706
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000
But CJ Frederick paid for it.

707
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,000
I had money at that time, you know?

708
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,000
So CJ Frederick was an American oil rigger.

709
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,000
And he paid the $2,000.

710
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000
And I brought the steel guitar at home.

711
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000
And I didn't know a damn thing about steel guitar.

712
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,000
Let alone I'm just a guitar player.

713
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,000
I could play chords and a little bit of solo.

714
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:38,000
At that time I could play some solo, but not until really, really that good.

715
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:44,000
So they took me in the band as a rhythm guitar player and a steel guitar player.

716
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,000
You know what the band told me?

717
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:52,000
They said, even if you can't play the steel guitar, just for show, we just want to show that we have a steel guitar.

718
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:58,000
Because you know, Beth Queen and Mandarin's number one band, number one country band, had a steel guitar player.

719
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,000
And the number two band was Don Nunes and the Mavericks, and they had a steel guitar band.

720
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:09,000
And at that time they had a few other country, like Black Gold, some other country bands.

721
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:14,000
Country music was quite big in the early 80s because of the oil rigors in Singapore.

722
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:20,000
So the selling point was having a steel guitar player, more people would come.

723
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:25,000
Because you know, steel guitars, wow, you're way atas lah from the rest of the country bands.

724
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,000
So I had the steel guitar and I didn't know how to play.

725
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:35,000
So they gave me six months to learn the steel guitar before I played in the band.

726
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:43,000
So I approached Michael Peng, I approached Peng Koon to teach me, but they had their own band set, their own practices.

727
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:54,000
But Peng Koon gave me a book, you know, it's just a basic how to tune the steel guitar, how to play simple chords.

728
00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:03,000
And I learned by myself actually, basically from day one until I could play something.

729
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,000
It was just trial and error, it was just trial and error.

730
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:14,000
And the band, Ben Wagonwood, gave me a song, they said, okay, just this one song.

731
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:22,000
Every night, you just, this one song you can feature you, but the rest of the night you just turn off your steel guitar

732
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,000
because you can move around, but as long as you got no sound, you just beat it, beat it.

733
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:32,000
But this one song will feature you, so the chords are so so and so and so, you go in and learn.

734
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,000
So I played all my year, you know, I used to rush, early in the morning at 9 o'clock,

735
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:42,000
I rushed to Payton Place when they opened the door, just with my headphones and everything and my Walkman,

736
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:49,000
just to learn that one song, play, play until afternoon and I rushed back home to bathe in the evening, early, come back,

737
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:55,000
just to wait for that one song, I'll play that song, you know, the action.

738
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:05,000
And then one night, my Matthew and the Mandarin's, they heard about, oh, Ben Wagon had a steel guitar player.

739
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Oh, that night, Matthew and the Mandarin's and all the musicians came down to see me because they said,

740
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:17,000
there's a new steel guitar player, a young boy, I was 26 years old then, playing the steel guitar.

741
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:22,000
So they came down to check me out, I said, oh my God, I was peeing my pants, I said, what the?

742
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Just to see Matthew.

743
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:31,000
A recording artist got records and whatever, I came to see me play, I panicked like hell, boy.

744
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:39,000
So I learned and learned. So eventually, I did this for months and I was learning and I learned the steel guitar just by,

745
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,000
there's no internet, there's no YouTube, there's no nothing, there's nobody to teach you.

746
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,000
Everything I learned is just by trial and error.

747
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:56,000
On that note, Kai, now it's time to put up Sleepwalk, just a little bit of it, let's put it up.

748
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:01,000
This is Leonard Rizzo on a steel guitar.

749
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,000
Oh, guaranteed to put you to sleep too.

750
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:12,000
No, no, no, no, in a good way, man, in a good way.

751
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,000
In a good way.

752
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:43,000
This is gorgeous, isn't it?

753
00:43:43,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Okay.

754
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,000
That's Leonard Rizzo on the steel guitar.

755
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,000
All right, Kai, thank you so much.

756
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,000
Wow, good stuff, man.

757
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:19,000
It's a beautiful song, I love that song. As a matter of fact, I picked that one when I was looking out for music that you posted online

758
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,000
and I really, really love Sleepwalk and you learned all that all by yourself.

759
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000
Okay, this Sleepwalk, I...

760
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000
You know the steel guitar, as you mentioned.

761
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,000
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I played it all, I learned it all by myself.

762
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:36,000
And then you went this band, Bandwagon, and you moved anywhere else after that?

763
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,000
I was with Bandwagon from 1983 to... until 1986, I think.

764
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,000
Okay.

765
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:50,000
In 1986, I joined... actually I started my own band, it's called Framework, and eventually Farida Dola joined me.

766
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,000
That's a nice name.

767
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,000
What?

768
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,000
Framework.

769
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,000
Yeah.

770
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Koh Sweat, what, what, what, what, I don't know what, then what, Bandwagon, okay, okay.

771
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,000
Yeah.

772
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,000
Okay.

773
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,000
And with Farida Dola, we played at the ION.

774
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,000
Oh, Farida Dola, hear her name again.

775
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,000
She was the Shakakan of Singapore.

776
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

777
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,000
So she joined us.

778
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:17,000
And basically the band members were part of Bandwagon and Thunderstorm, was it?

779
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,000
Thunderstorm, Edmund Fernandez on drum.

780
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000
Thunderbirds, oh, no, Thunderstorm.

781
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,000
Thunderstorm.

782
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,000
Thunderbirds.

783
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,000
They were playing at Yoke Hotel.

784
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Yoke Hotel.

785
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,000
Oh Thunder...

786
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,000
Yoke Hotel.

787
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,000
Carriage, carriage bus.

788
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,000
Carriage bus, Thunderbirds.

789
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,000
Thunderbirds, okay.

790
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,000
You know how I know that?

791
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,000
In Carriage Bar, where the Thunderbirds were.

792
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,000
The drummer was...

793
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,000
I was like, happy hour is it?

794
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,000
Yeah.

795
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,000
Yeah.

796
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,000
The drummer is Edmund, Edmund Fernandez.

797
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,000
And at that time, I think that we finished the contract, so he joined us, yeah.

798
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,000
And we played at ION Bar, 1986.

799
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,000
And then we played there for about, yeah, nearly a year.

800
00:45:51,000 --> 00:46:01,000
And then eventually I joined, after that I joined Los Pintos in late 1986 with Stephen

801
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,000
Gomez and Stephen DeSouza.

802
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,000
We were doing mariachi music at the Orchard.

803
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,000
Mariachi.

804
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,000
Mariachi.

805
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,000
We were playing in, oh, I forgot the name of the coffee house where we go from table

806
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,000
to table and we just play, yeah.

807
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:19,000
And people would throw tips into our, you know, the f-hole inside, the guitar f-hole.

808
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,000
They would just throw money inside, yeah.

809
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:26,000
And end of the month, we would just like, you know, the tabong, all the money and count.

810
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,000
And we shared three ways.

811
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,000
It was Stephen Gomez, Stephen DeSouza and myself.

812
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,000
Los Pintos.

813
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,000
Los Pintos, yeah.

814
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,000
Okay.

815
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,000
I really enjoyed it, yeah.

816
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,000
And then in 1989.

817
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,000
It was basically stroller music, right?

818
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Yes.

819
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,000
Yeah, yeah.

820
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:44,000
I love the strolling and all the Spanish songs that we used to do.

821
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:51,000
Although I didn't understand anything Spanish, but Stephen Gomez sang most of the songs.

822
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,000
And we did all the harmony in Spanish and I didn't even understand the words.

823
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,000
We were just like parroting out whatever.

824
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,000
Yeah.

825
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,000
We wrote down things in phonetically, you know.

826
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,000
Yeah, of course.

827
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,000
Yeah.

828
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,000
And then I still remember one day with this Spanish girl, you know.

829
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:11,000
It was a real Spanish lady who sat there and we were saying, like, kukaracha and whatever.

830
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:17,000
And she clapped and she called us over to the table and she was talking to us in Spanish.

831
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,000
No hablan, no comprende.

832
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,000
And Stephen Gomez said, I, sorry, we don't speak.

833
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,000
Then she said, what you sang just now, I understood every word you said.

834
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,000
You don't speak Spanish?

835
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,000
We said, no, we don't speak Spanish.

836
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,000
We just sing Spanish, but we don't speak Spanish.

837
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,000
She couldn't understand.

838
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,000
What's the song you guys always play?

839
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,000
Yeah, sure.

840
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,000
When you don't speak Spanish and something.

841
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,000
He drinks tequila.

842
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,000
He drinks tequila.

843
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,000
Oh yes.

844
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,000
Yeah.

845
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,000
Yeah.

846
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:49,000
And then that was in 1989 with Los Pintos.

847
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,000
Then Stephen Gomez, myself, Mel Ferdinand, Ivor Lesler, we formed up.

848
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,000
Broad Saut.

849
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,000
Broad Saut.

850
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,000
Oh, you work with Broad Saut.

851
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,000
Yeah, Broad Saut.

852
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:04,000
Broad Saut until we played a few venues all around.

853
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,000
Even Happy Days.

854
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,000
I remember there was a place called Happy Days at the bowling alley.

855
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,000
You know the bowling, the old Orchard Theatre?

856
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,000
Yeah.

857
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,000
We started at Club 392 first.

858
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,000
Yeah, Vern Cornelius is singing there in Happy Days before.

859
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,000
Yes, we were side by side with Vern Cornelius.

860
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,000
Ah, that means I must have seen you.

861
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,000
Yes.

862
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,000
Yeah.

863
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,000
I must have seen you then.

864
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,000
We started up at Club 392 at Orchard Hotel.

865
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,000
Club 392 at Orchard Hotel?

866
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,000
No, no, no.

867
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,000
Orchard Towers.

868
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,000
Orchard Towers, okay.

869
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:41,000
And then eventually we played that Club 392, the one in the bowling alley, above the bowling alley.

870
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,000
Yeah, Happy Days.

871
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,000
Happy Days.

872
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,000
And then we went to Orchard Inn.

873
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:49,000
And that was, we played from 1989 to 1991.

874
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,000
That's when I joined Dart Lee and Mervyn.

875
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,000
Okay.

876
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,000
Okay, how I met Dart Lee and this one we have to tell you.

877
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,000
If you see Leonard, you've seen Dart Lee.

878
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,000
Yes.

879
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,000
Those days, a lot of people mistook Dart Lee for me and me for Dart Lee.

880
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,000
Yeah.

881
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,000
And I haven't met Dart Lee at all.

882
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,000
I've never formally met Dart Lee.

883
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,000
I heard of Dart Lee, Nudist playing with Gingerbread and things like that.

884
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:22,000
So when I was playing with Lost Pintos, I still remember I lost playing, I came out with my mariachi guitar and all.

885
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,000
I came out and then this lady came, husband and wife, and this lady said,

886
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,000
Wow, you're so talented.

887
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:32,000
Just last night I saw you playing keyboards at Tavern on the Square.

888
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,000
And now you're playing guitar with this band.

889
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,000
I said, Tavern on the Square?

890
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,000
I don't play at Tavern on the Square.

891
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,000
I saw you.

892
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,000
And then the husband also said,

893
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,000
Yeah, it was you, you playing at Tavern on the Square.

894
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,000
You play keyboard.

895
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,000
I said, no.

896
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,000
I play guitar.

897
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:55,000
And then they said, oh, in that band, Tavern on Gingerbread, that's the keyboard player, Dart Lee Nudist.

898
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,000
So I said, oh.

899
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,000
And Dart Lee, tell them whether it happened to you or anybody came with it.

900
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,000
Yeah, they boxed my face.

901
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:08,000
You learned that wrestler, poof, kena.

902
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,000
He kena hantam because of me and I kena hantam because of him.

903
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,000
No la.

904
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,000
No, seriously, did that kind of shit really happen?

905
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,000
No la.

906
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,000
No la.

907
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,000
I can all be.

908
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:27,000
Then in the best part, 1991, we took a course in sound engineering.

909
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,000
It's a diploma course in sound engineering.

910
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,000
In SAE.

911
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,000
SAE.

912
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,000
So we were the first batch.

913
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,000
And then that's where I met, formally met Dart Lee.

914
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,000
Hello, hello.

915
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,000
So you're Dart Lee.

916
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,000
And he said, so you're Leonard?

917
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,000
He said, a lot of people thought it was me.

918
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,000
I said, I get the same thing.

919
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,000
I thought, you know, they thought I was him and he was me.

920
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,000
And then eventually he invited me to join his band.

921
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Right, Broadside.

922
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,000
No, no, no.

923
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,000
Mervin, Dart Lee and Leonard.

924
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,000
From SAE, sound engineering, we became good friends.

925
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,000
I think from there it started.

926
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,000
Yeah, it's just, we jelled.

927
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,000
When we became friends, we just jelled.

928
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,000
But how is it?

929
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,000
I'm just curious, you know, I mean, you guys,

930
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,000
over that generation of musicians, of musos,

931
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Jason Shahoo also went to SAE.

932
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,000
Yes.

933
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,000
To get his sound engineering.

934
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,000
Same year, same class.

935
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,000
Why is it all of you guys want to go and do this?

936
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,000
What was the reason?

937
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,000
He wanted to do, he eventually, I mean, what he's doing today,

938
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,000
in Gingerbread Studios, right?

939
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,000
I mean, he's a sound engineer, but the two of you guys,

940
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,000
I mean, why did you go?

941
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,000
I, because for me, I like doing sound,

942
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,000
because most of the bands that I am with,

943
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,000
I'm the sound man.

944
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,000
You're the guy that does the EQ.

945
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,000
I do the EQ for the band.

946
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,000
So I wanted to do more, so I took this diploma course in sound engineering,

947
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,000
so I wanted to know the fundamentals behind sound engineering.

948
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:01,000
So it's just an added skill for you, for what you do on a daily full-time basis.

949
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,000
Yes.

950
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,000
How about you, Dart?

951
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,000
Well, it helped me now for SAE.

952
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,000
I fixed up the microphones and stuff.

953
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,000
Put the mic in and learned it.

954
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,000
Which channel you want this to go in?

955
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,000
I didn't know you need a diploma to set up a bloody mic and mic stand.

956
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,000
Excuse me, you cannot put a mic anywhere, you know.

957
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,000
So I see the skill.

958
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,000
Look, my studio, I set up myself.

959
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,000
I'm a damn genius, man.

960
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,000
You know, in this course, at the end of the course,

961
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,000
you have to do a mix-down of the band,

962
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,000
and then it goes into your scores for your final exam, you know.

963
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,000
Oh, really? Wow.

964
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,000
I'd leave myself and my team, basically.

965
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:47,000
We had 98 upon 100 for recording a band.

966
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,000
Because eventually, we have to get a band to come in,

967
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:56,000
and we record them, and then we do the mix-down and send it up for assessment.

968
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,000
The complete master demo.

969
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,000
To see how well we can mix a band.

970
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:05,000
Eventually, Dudley played keyboard, I played guitar, I played steel guitar.

971
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:10,000
I put things like the band also that came down, we got them to come down,

972
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,000
but I replaced the guitar player, he replaced the keyboard player,

973
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,000
and then we added in and used the band, the girl singer to sing and the bass guitar player.

974
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:23,000
And we had 98 upon 100.

975
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,000
The guy, I still remember, he was an Ang Mo guy.

976
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,000
I think he was an Australian guy, right?

977
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:34,000
And he says, wow, during the assessment, he had a one-to-one aural thing.

978
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:40,000
He said, oh, I heard it's almost CD quality, he says.

979
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,000
You know, he said the mix-down is very good.

980
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:47,000
Yeah, he said, because I had the steel guitar, we put in the steel guitar.

981
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,000
It was the song called Blue Bayou.

982
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,000
Remember Blue Bayou?

983
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Yeah, we played Blue Bayou, and I played the steel guitar, and I played the nylon string guitar.

984
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,000
And I just put it in, and he says, wow, it sounds...

985
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,000
CD quality.

986
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,000
Yeah, he said CD quality.

987
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,000
He says, very good, he said the marks.

988
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:12,000
He said, yo, we had the highest in that school that year for recording.

989
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,000
On that note, now that you talk about this,

990
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:21,000
the ability to be able to mix down music, you know,

991
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,000
you guys have come a long way together.

992
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,000
You've been playing for 20 years?

993
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,000
Together, yeah.

994
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,000
That's life is 20 years.

995
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,000
That's life has been 20 years.

996
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,000
I'm fast-forwarding a little bit, because my goodness, you know, time flies,

997
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,000
and there's so many things I want to ask you.

998
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,000
So let me just take this direction.

999
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,000
You've been playing 20 years together, old friends, good friends, okay?

1000
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,000
Great musicians, full of experience, been down the block,

1001
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:58,000
played so many genres of music, one can, until Ballroom Standard, until Mariachi, my goodness.

1002
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:04,000
So, that being said, I'm going to ask, why the fuck has that life,

1003
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:12,000
that's life, not written original stuff, and recorded it, and distributed?

1004
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,000
Wow, because you can't write stuff.

1005
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,000
Dudley, I know for a fact, Dudley writes music.

1006
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,000
I know for a fact that you guys are tight as a band, right?

1007
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:29,000
If you want to get session musicians in to help you out with an album or a single even, it can be done.

1008
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,000
You've done it before with Gingerbread, and I'm not going to talk so much about that anymore,

1009
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,000
because we've done a lot of that.

1010
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,000
Rose's is a beautiful song written by Moses Badham, right?

1011
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,000
Until this day, it's still being played more often than most other local music.

1012
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,000
I don't even hear anything from Sam Willow's being played.

1013
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,000
I hear Rose's. It's amazing, you know?

1014
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:54,000
I mean, for all that hoo-ha about the younger bands that came along, right, like Sam Willow,

1015
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,000
no disrespect to Sam Willow's, they're great.

1016
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:04,000
But I'm saying the longevity of music, what stays, what goes on, that evergreen wonder,

1017
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:10,000
that value continues through decades, that is what makes a good song.

1018
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,000
Or that's what a good song really becomes, right?

1019
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:20,000
How is it you two guys have not got down and dirty to do something like that?

1020
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,000
Well, that's a good question.

1021
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,000
I know.

1022
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:31,000
It's not that we don't have, we do have, but Leonard, myself, we are so,

1023
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:37,000
actually caught up with so much of his business, we have 57 Chevy.

1024
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,000
At the time.

1025
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:45,000
Actually, it comes to now that we have more time with each other, you know?

1026
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,000
We can really sit down and, hey, what do you want to do this or that?

1027
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,000
Last time, it was just the press button auto, everything's going on.

1028
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:56,000
So we don't have time to say, hey, Leonard or Dudley, want to do our own song or something like that.

1029
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,000
So maybe, maybe tomorrow might start something,

1030
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:04,000
and say, hey, Leonard, I got this tune, do you want to do something about this?

1031
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,000
Dudley just said tomorrow. Leonard, what are you going to say about that?

1032
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:15,000
I mean, now, Dudley's so right, now we have a little bit more time on our hands.

1033
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:24,000
Recently, I just helped Dudley with a project of his where his brother wrote the songs,

1034
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:31,000
he did the arrangement, he did everything, and I helped him to do the guitar,

1035
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:37,000
and my experience with recording, I did the vocal recording for him.

1036
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,000
He was a sound engineer.

1037
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:44,000
I was a sound engineer, the guy who makes down, I did some tracks for him on the guitar, you know, to put in.

1038
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,000
So this is a new album by you, Dudley Nones.

1039
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,000
Okay, it's a long story, 14 songs was written by my brother, Mervin.

1040
00:57:52,000 --> 00:58:00,000
I got to send it out now because it's the truth, it's all Mervin's composition, which he has given it to me as a gift.

1041
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,000
So I said, what do you want to do with it?

1042
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:08,000
And even though it hits a million dollars or whatever comes out of it, it's all yours.

1043
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:15,000
So I said, okay, instead of lying these songs under the bed and not doing anything, I will try and do something.

1044
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,000
So I told Leonard, I'm going to do this, and I'll need your help.

1045
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:26,000
I'll do this in studio time, because there is no other better sound engineer than you.

1046
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,000
I program, I will bring this to your studio.

1047
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:35,000
He's got a studio, it's called Vets Live Studio.

1048
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:39,000
So he agreed, he agreed.

1049
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:44,000
He never spoke about money or anything like that because Leonard and me go a long way.

1050
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,000
So, okay, got all the songs done, go to his studio, record it.

1051
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:53,000
And I got a friend who said, you can do this at Tune Core or something.

1052
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,000
I said, what's Tune Core?

1053
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,000
So I said, you go there and then you can submit all the songs and blah, blah, blah.

1054
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,000
His name is Chris Hansen.

1055
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,000
Okay.

1056
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,000
No hardcore.

1057
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,000
I wonder who that fellow is.

1058
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,000
It's you.

1059
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:11,000
So I'm very grateful to you for giving me a start to where to go, which channel.

1060
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:17,000
So I got the songs done, Leonard done a fabulous soundtrack, everything.

1061
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,000
He took time and he calls me and says, is this all right?

1062
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,000
This time you sent me, does this seem to be louder than that?

1063
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,000
I said, it's anything.

1064
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,000
I'll give it to your hands.

1065
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,000
I think you're about the best guy who can do this.

1066
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,000
And he got it done.

1067
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,000
And what's the title of the album?

1068
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,000
Tranquility.

1069
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,000
Tranquility.

1070
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,000
Okay.

1071
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,000
And when is this going to be released and where?

1072
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:45,000
Tune Core and Spotify, I think September 3rd, 2023.

1073
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:52,000
September 3rd, 2023, Dudley Nones' new album will be released on these platforms, Tune

1074
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,000
Core and Spotify.

1075
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,000
And it's called Tranquility.

1076
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,000
Check it out guys.

1077
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:03,000
But I'm going to say this one time to the both of you.

1078
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,000
Dudley Nones, Leonard Rizzo.

1079
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,000
Write something.

1080
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:13,000
Write some things, record them together and launch.

1081
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,000
Why?

1082
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,000
Why am I asking you guys?

1083
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,000
Because it's very simple.

1084
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:25,000
I think there's a need for music to be really, really this time, once and for all, resurrected

1085
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,000
in this country.

1086
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:32,000
I really think so because we haven't had anything that good for a long time.

1087
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:37,000
And you know, I, I, I, and, and unfortunately, even if you're planning for retirement, I

1088
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,000
just tell you, I don't think you should because you need to lead, you know, be one of those

1089
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,000
guys to lead the way.

1090
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,000
And in my mind is what I think.

1091
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,000
Yeah.

1092
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,000
You know, 57 Chevy, man.

1093
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:52,000
That's, you want to talk about?

1094
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,000
Oh yeah, man.

1095
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,000
I mean, you know, it's an institution.

1096
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,000
Oh hell yeah.

1097
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,000
You know, it's 57 Chevy.

1098
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:03,000
Can I, can you put that one up please?

1099
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,000
Wow.

1100
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,000
There you go.

1101
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:11,000
And then credit to the new paper that was, this article was put up on that last night,

1102
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,000
that last fateful night.

1103
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,000
Oh, I remember that night.

1104
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,000
So, so do I.

1105
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,000
I mean, I was there too.

1106
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:22,000
And you know, it became a place that we chanced upon because of the name of that, you know,

1107
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:30,000
we went over that one Friday night and then we said, the hell, where have we been?

1108
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,000
And then it became every Friday night.

1109
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,000
Yeah.

1110
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,000
And then it became a date night.

1111
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,000
Every Friday night was a date night for my wife and I.

1112
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,000
I would go at 6.30 just to get a table, you know.

1113
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:48,000
I have my dinner there just to book a table, you know.

1114
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,000
Right.

1115
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,000
And then my wife will come after work with another friend, right.

1116
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,000
And they will come, Alanis, you know.

1117
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,000
And then we would party the whole night away until we, until you guys close.

1118
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:04,000
57 Chevy was an institution simply because it was a place for people of all ages.

1119
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,000
It wasn't just for the older people.

1120
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,000
Yes.

1121
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,000
The younger people loved it too.

1122
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,000
It was, it became a community.

1123
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,000
It became an East Coast and Khartong community.

1124
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:21,000
And became a safe place for people to go and have fun knowing they're safe.

1125
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,000
And everyone got to know each other.

1126
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,000
Yes.

1127
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:30,000
And until this day, just today, just today, I was in Tampines 1 with a family.

1128
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,000
And one of the regulars was there.

1129
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,000
And he bought two bottles of tea.

1130
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,000
And he saw me, hey, hi.

1131
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,000
And we went, hey, hi.

1132
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,000
57 Chevy.

1133
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,000
Chevy, yes.

1134
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,000
Yeah.

1135
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,000
He said, do me a favor.

1136
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,000
I said, yeah.

1137
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,000
Take one.

1138
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,000
I said, seriously?

1139
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,000
Yeah, take one.

1140
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,000
Have a drink.

1141
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,000
It was a tea, a bottle of tea, you know.

1142
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,000
And it was really nice.

1143
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,000
And you see, it's a community of people.

1144
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,000
Yeah.

1145
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,000
I want to understand this.

1146
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,000
And I want this to be aired.

1147
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:04,000
Leonard Resl is one of the owners of the 57 Chevy.

1148
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,000
Besides the band that's life playing there.

1149
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,000
Yes.

1150
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:14,000
Can we tell everyone why the hell did it have to shut?

1151
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,000
Okay.

1152
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:24,000
We closed in February 2014.

1153
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:33,000
Two years before that, actually two years, the government did send us a letter and said

1154
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:37,000
that they are going to sell off the land.

1155
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,000
And we probably will have to move out by the end of that year.

1156
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,000
And that year came and they extended another year.

1157
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:52,000
You know, so in 2013, I still remember I was out with my friends and then I had a call

1158
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:57,000
from one of my partners and said that, hey, we got a letter from the government saying

1159
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:05,000
that we have to move out by 2014 on the 22nd of February.

1160
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,000
Yeah.

1161
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:13,000
So, and we had to hand over the keys by the 28th, which is my mom's birthday, 28th February.

1162
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:19,000
We have to return back because they sold the land to a developer who's going to be the

1163
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:25,000
hotel at that exact spot where we were, which is Katung Village.

1164
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,000
Yeah.

1165
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,000
Katung Village, where you guys were today.

1166
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,000
I don't even care what it's called.

1167
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,000
It's a hotel now.

1168
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,000
Yeah, it's a hotel.

1169
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,000
Holiday Inn, I think.

1170
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,000
Yeah.

1171
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,000
Yeah.

1172
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,000
And then there's a mall that's absolutely not making any business.

1173
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:46,000
The current bar, restaurant thing at the outside also just recently shut.

1174
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:55,000
It's, you know, for a place outside of the hotel business, of course, right?

1175
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:02,000
That was really doing something for community of all races, of all ages, of all genders

1176
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,000
and really good clean fun.

1177
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,000
You know, I don't think you guys had much trouble there anyway.

1178
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,000
Yeah.

1179
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,000
In place of this.

1180
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,000
Yeah.

1181
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:17,000
You know, I mean, to me it was like the last bastion of Katung because Katung is right

1182
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,000
now not Katung anymore.

1183
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,000
I'm saying it.

1184
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,000
I don't give a flying fuck.

1185
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,000
I'm saying it.

1186
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,000
Yeah.

1187
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:30,000
There's got to be some kind of, in my mind, in my opinion, there's got to be some kind

1188
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:35,000
of, some things must be kept sacred, you know?

1189
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:40,000
And now when we look at music, music, and like nobody gives a shit about music anymore.

1190
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:46,000
Nobody gives a shit about people going out there having a nice night out, not just for

1191
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,000
dinner.

1192
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:52,000
You know, it's sad because if you've seen, well, you're going to be watching the episode

1193
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,000
before you guys came today.

1194
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:57,000
I had Afwan from Supersonic with me last night.

1195
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:06,000
And in recent times he actually had a show for a community, for a sort of a, you know,

1196
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,000
for a particular district.

1197
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,000
Yeah.

1198
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,000
Let's put it that way.

1199
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:15,000
And people complained, some people complained about why are you bringing nightclub music

1200
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:21,000
to our town area?

1201
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:26,000
And I said, you know, honest to goodness, I mean, what's wrong with people today?

1202
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,000
What's wrong with them?

1203
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:33,000
These are places you don't have to say, oh, they're drunks, they're just because people

1204
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,000
drink alcohol.

1205
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,000
Come on, stop being such prudes, you know?

1206
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,000
The point is that music keeps people together.

1207
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,000
Music builds friendship too.

1208
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,000
Don't just look at it from the dark side of things.

1209
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:50,000
And when 57 Chevy shut down, do you know, honest to God, I shed a tear.

1210
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,000
Not only you, so many people.

1211
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,000
I'm pretty sure.

1212
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,000
I'm pretty sure.

1213
01:06:54,000 --> 01:07:01,000
But right now, if I ask you guys, man, take a look anywhere else in Singapore.

1214
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,000
I'm talking about five piece bands and above.

1215
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:11,000
Where are the places that in your minds and in your opinions you feel have got great music

1216
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:18,000
from five piece bands and above in Singapore today?

1217
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:25,000
Big sound, I'm talking about big sound.

1218
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,000
Don't have.

1219
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,000
No disrespect to Supersonic.

1220
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,000
Supersonic is really good.

1221
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,000
I went to see them, they were really good.

1222
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,000
Supersonic is really good.

1223
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,000
Yeah.

1224
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,000
Kudos to Alphon and the guys from Supersonic at Timber Plus.

1225
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,000
Kudos to you guys.

1226
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:45,000
And I never heard of 53A, but a lot of friends say they are very, very good.

1227
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:50,000
Okay, but when we look back, see back in the day, I hear the stories from the time we started

1228
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,000
this episode.

1229
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:56,000
You guys are talking about Peyton Place, you're talking about Barbarella, which was also shut

1230
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:57,000
down.

1231
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,000
Yeah.

1232
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:06,000
Carriage Bar, Club Five, gosh, okay.

1233
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,000
Tavern in the Square.

1234
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:13,000
Everywhere you go, Shangri-La, everywhere you go, you know for a fact that there's going

1235
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,000
to be something good playing there.

1236
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,000
There's going to be music, right?

1237
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:21,000
There's going to be something that makes you feel, something for the soul, man, besides

1238
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,000
church, that is.

1239
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,000
Part of your Saturday, go to church on Sunday, that's all fine.

1240
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,000
You know?

1241
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:32,000
Right, right, so you know, and at the end of it all, we don't have that anymore, do we?

1242
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:38,000
The last bastion, Jive Talking, where every day play, well done, Rafi and the rest of

1243
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,000
the guys from Jive.

1244
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,000
Then, where else?

1245
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,000
This is what I mean.

1246
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,000
How do you think nightlife is today?

1247
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,000
What's the night scene like?

1248
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:57,000
Are bar owners, club owners really doing something for music in Singapore?

1249
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,000
Things are so different now.

1250
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,000
My nightlife is my band.

1251
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:04,000
Yeah, sure, great.

1252
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,000
I'm glad, man.

1253
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,000
But see where you're playing.

1254
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,000
See where you're playing.

1255
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,000
You are playing in places where there are members.

1256
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,000
Yeah.

1257
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:19,000
You are playing in places where it's not going to be easy to open the door for people to

1258
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,000
just walk in.

1259
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:21,000
Right.

1260
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:26,000
It is no longer open for people like me to just walk in.

1261
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,000
I mean, we can, I know that, okay?

1262
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:36,000
But what I'm saying here is not as if it isn't a public establishment, it's there.

1263
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,000
You open the door, you walk in and you get, you seek.

1264
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,000
You don't have that, do you?

1265
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,000
I mean, you're not playing in places like that anymore.

1266
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,000
So, what does it show you?

1267
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:52,000
It is only meant for people who can still appreciate music and they are members of an

1268
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,000
establishment, right?

1269
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,000
Yeah.

1270
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:56,000
Yeah.

1271
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,000
But we're talking about the general public today.

1272
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,000
You're not open to the general public.

1273
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:05,000
And then, and for the life of me, because Afwan said to me yesterday as well, when I

1274
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,000
asked him about the same question, and he said, which one are you referring to, Chris?

1275
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,000
Are you referring to the night music band or are you referring to the recording band?

1276
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,000
I said, you mean there's a startling difference today?

1277
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:23,000
Because way back when, we have Gingerbread, recording artists and night music band, whatever

1278
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,000
that's called.

1279
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,000
It's sad to have differentiation and segregation and stereotyped.

1280
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:29,000
It is sad.

1281
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:35,000
You mean there has to be a segregation between, say for example, again, no disrespect to these

1282
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,000
guys, Sam Willows and you guys.

1283
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:44,000
I mean, hey, they make music, you make music and that's about the size of it.

1284
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:48,000
And you guys make music, you can still go to the recording studio like what you did.

1285
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:53,000
What I'm saying here is that there is, it seems to me, and I'm asking a lot of musicians

1286
01:10:53,000 --> 01:11:00,000
the same question, do you think we are deteriorating when music is concerned in this country because

1287
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,000
our nightlife is just about dead?

1288
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,000
That's a good question.

1289
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:14,000
I don't know much to say, but I only speak for myself here.

1290
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,000
Please do.

1291
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:20,000
Back then, I remember when we were playing in the 70s.

1292
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:27,000
We get picked, you know, wherever we play, there are big crowds that will come and follow.

1293
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,000
We had fans like that, you know.

1294
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:30,000
Followings, yeah.

1295
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,000
We have followings wherever we go.

1296
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,000
Followings.

1297
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:40,000
And club owners would like headhunt for us, you know.

1298
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,000
Before your contract ends, they will come and ask you, when's your contract ending?

1299
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:47,000
Okay, your contract ends, they pull you, but now it's no.

1300
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:54,000
Now it's you like, we like begging to, you got opening for this place, you know.

1301
01:11:54,000 --> 01:12:01,000
But it seems that for us now, we became a little bit more popular with clubs.

1302
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:07,000
The clubs that we play and then some other members from other clubs when they come in,

1303
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,000
it's you must come and play at my club.

1304
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:14,000
You know, we are now a headhunter because this club member comes to this club and he

1305
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:18,000
sees us playing and he sees the crowd, wow, your contract, can you play at my club?

1306
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,000
So they pull us.

1307
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,000
So now we're going from club to club to club.

1308
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:31,000
But the small establishments, well, sometimes I don't blame them because rent is so high

1309
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,000
and they can only afford this budget for the band.

1310
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:39,000
It became so small and you know, and it seems that everybody's pay goes up,

1311
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,000
but musicians' pay don't go up at all.

1312
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,000
Ten years ago, we were earning this much.

1313
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,000
Now ten years later, they still want to offer us this much, you know.

1314
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,000
But clubs can pay.

1315
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:54,000
Members' club, they got members.

1316
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,000
Yeah, so they collect.

1317
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,000
They can pay us.

1318
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,000
They got money to pay you guys.

1319
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:04,000
But you see Leonard, if that's the case, do you think musicians who have been entertaining

1320
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:09,000
Singaporeans for decades, who have brought so much life and joy to people through their music

1321
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:14,000
and your entertainment, do you think you have been appreciated in some form or other?

1322
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,000
Or have musicians been forgotten?

1323
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:23,000
Or musicians just considered to be a means to an end and that is just about earning a living.

1324
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:29,000
Yeah, it's just that they are entertainers, but maybe we got other entertainers as well.

1325
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:36,000
And we are not so much appreciated as we once were.

1326
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,000
Yeah.

1327
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:42,000
Okay, last question before, because we have been talking for more than an hour, man.

1328
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,000
It's amazing.

1329
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,000
Last two questions, okay guys.

1330
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,000
Daddy has been very, very quiet.

1331
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,000
I need to hear your input seriously.

1332
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,000
You both are still performing to this day.

1333
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:57,000
Is it because of your love for music or are there any other reasons?

1334
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:01,000
Do you think, because there is a context to this, yeah?

1335
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:08,000
Do you think musicians today can do this full time and live sufficiently?

1336
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,000
Who wants to be?

1337
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,000
Up to you.

1338
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:13,000
The floor is open, man.

1339
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:23,000
I wouldn't say to do this full time, to earn a living for now at this stage of where we are.

1340
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,000
I would not recommend my children to do what I do.

1341
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,000
Really?

1342
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,000
Yeah, you do.

1343
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:32,000
Okay, musicians don't have CPF, they don't have anything.

1344
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:36,000
They don't have medical benefits, they have nothing.

1345
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:43,000
So whatever they pay us, we have to put aside for the rainy day, we have to put aside for if we are sick.

1346
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,000
It all comes out from our own pocket.

1347
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,000
It's not the management or whoever is going to pay for it.

1348
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:56,000
But didn't you guys realize that this, you know, like say 20 years ago, not necessarily a new thing, isn't it?

1349
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,000
Okay, we're talking about CPF.

1350
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,000
I knew that.

1351
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:03,000
So, don't mind if it's for me.

1352
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:12,000
When I was playing at that time, I knew that because my father used to tell me, you know, musicians are poppers, you know.

1353
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,000
They don't have anything.

1354
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:16,000
You don't have CPF, nothing.

1355
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,000
So it's always stuck in my...

1356
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,000
So I always put aside some money.

1357
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,000
I took insurance on my own.

1358
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:24,000
I took a few insurance.

1359
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,000
This is like my CPF, you know, like, yeah.

1360
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:37,000
So I covered my medical, my whatever through insurance and my some policies that I took that when I reach a certain age, I get my money back, you know.

1361
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,000
So it became like my CPF.

1362
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:43,000
So I don't drink.

1363
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:47,000
I used to smoke, but I don't smoke anymore.

1364
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:51,000
So now, so I, for me, I'm lucky.

1365
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:55,000
There's some musicians who spend all their money on whatever I earn, I took.

1366
01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:01,000
But I saved, I do diligence on my own.

1367
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,000
I saved on my own.

1368
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:09,000
And eventually, I had enough money to open up a pub with my friends and partners.

1369
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:19,000
So that was a plus move for me when I opened Chevy in 2005.

1370
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,000
Yeah, 57 Chevy.

1371
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,000
What was the question again?

1372
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:27,000
You said you will not advise your children to take up music.

1373
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,000
Because the music industry is so different now, you know.

1374
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:43,000
Even the new musicians don't even, I think, lift up a microphone stand to set it up or amplifier, what we have been through, you know.

1375
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:49,000
So for me, it's come like a musician has no expiry date.

1376
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,000
Okay.

1377
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:59,000
We can go on as much as we can as long as we are healthy and our throat and body can move.

1378
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,000
That is a blessing.

1379
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:11,000
So I learned it myself and some of the musicians out there who has played the same amount of years as we have,

1380
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:23,000
I think they have the same feeling about being healthy and being able to do the best of the music career, this last lap of all the songs they do.

1381
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:34,000
And money is important, but I think it's the love of music that brings people together.

1382
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,000
Yeah.

1383
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:41,000
I agree with Dudley because for us, music has to expiry date.

1384
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,000
It's not, oh you reach 62, time for you to retire.

1385
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:52,000
No. For us, until the very last day that I can't even climb up the stage, then I know that's it.

1386
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,000
But I'll still keep on playing music until then.

1387
01:17:55,000 --> 01:18:03,000
I mean, guys, I really hope I can still continue to hear your music, that's the one.

1388
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,000
The other thing is, what are your plans, both of you?

1389
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,000
Continue to play or plan to retire?

1390
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,000
I will continue to play.

1391
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,000
Continue to play.

1392
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:18,000
For me, although I'm doing three nights a week, I look forward to these three nights.

1393
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:23,000
It's not like some people who is a chore, oh I got to go to work on Monday, oh my God.

1394
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:32,000
For us, I look forward to the Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays that I'm playing or maybe even some Saturdays that we do for private functions.

1395
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:33,000
I look forward to that.

1396
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:41,000
Although I know it can be tiring at the end of the night, but it's the fun, the joy in watching people enjoy and appreciate your music.

1397
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:46,000
That is the reward for us when we're on stage, when I see people's faces smile and they come and say,

1398
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:51,000
wow, I haven't heard this song for years, it brought back a lot of memories for me.

1399
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,000
It's a joy for us to, it's a compliment.

1400
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,000
How about you Dudley, do you feel the same way as Leonard?

1401
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:07,000
Yeah, why? To have a band, two piece, three piece, even an orchestra, the relationship is important.

1402
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:14,000
If I don't have a good relationship with him, it won't be magic.

1403
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:19,000
You cannot produce something...

1404
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:25,000
Something that people can go gaga over, if you guys are not tight as friends, the band will not be tight.

1405
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:30,000
We need each other, we're a team. I need him, he needs me.

1406
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:38,000
Together, we can make ourselves happy, we can make people happy, we can make the business for the club.

1407
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,000
Look at us, wow, that's life.

1408
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:52,000
What keeps Leonard and myself young and we have no expiry date is when we go home, we sleep in the fridge.

1409
01:19:52,000 --> 01:20:00,000
Dudley, Dudley.

1410
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,000
Cryonics, cryonics.

1411
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:06,000
Cryogenics, cryogenics man.

1412
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:10,000
Yeah, you're another UFO buff I tell you.

1413
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:19,000
Okay everyone, you've been watching the Chris Hansen Conversation and my tribute to these guys as our icons of music in Singapore.

1414
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:25,000
The band, That's Life, consisting of Dudley Nonis and Leonard Rizl Dazzle.

1415
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,000
And we're going to end the show.

1416
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:33,000
Before we say goodbye for this episode, we have two videos to play for you.

1417
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:37,000
One that is of Mr. Dudley Nonis.

1418
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,000
I just got to do this.

1419
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:45,000
So we're going to play this little thing that he did. God knows why he did it, but he did.

1420
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,000
Dudley does the strangest things.

1421
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:55,000
And after that video, you will be watching That's Life, the band that is Dudley Nonis, Leonard Rizl Dazzle,

1422
01:20:55,000 --> 01:21:01,000
the two of them together with lead vocalist they had many years ago, for one of my favorite songs called Baby Come Back.

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Enjoy that one.

1424
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:06,000
And until next time, this is Chris Hansen saying, I'll see you again, okay?

1425
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:15,000
Whenever you have and whenever you hear or see or watch a musician entertaining you, give him a smile and say thank you.

1426
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,000
Don't be an idiot. Bye bye.

1427
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:52,000
We could shake our hands, give a hug to our friends,

1428
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:57,000
and we could sing a song that we all love.

1429
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:04,000
We could shake our hands, give a hug to our friends,

1430
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:09,000
and we could sing a song that we all love.

1431
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:15,000
We could shake our hands, give a hug to our friends,

1432
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:20,000
and we could sing a song that we all love.

1433
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:24,000
We just want life to be free,

1434
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:31,000
that's all we're thinking of.

1435
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,000
When you are in a crowd,

1436
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:41,000
don't be talking about love, you must softly say.

1437
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:46,000
Ask you me, can't you see, you're just close to me,

1438
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:51,000
one beat the baller.

1439
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:55,000
We could walk out the door,

1440
01:22:55,000 --> 01:23:02,000
wear our masks to the store, now that only.

1441
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,000
We could go on a holiday,

1442
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:13,000
to Batam and Bali, now that only.

1443
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:17,000
In the street, you're in a hurry, you're quarantined,

1444
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:24,000
so boring, what to do love?

1445
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:28,000
Hard to say, when you're awake, everybody pray,

1446
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:34,000
night and day, but you're so sad.

1447
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:40,000
We could shake our hands, give a hug to our friends,

1448
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:45,000
now that only.

1449
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,000
We just want life to be free,

1450
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:56,000
that's all we're thinking of.

1451
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,000
When you are in a crowd,

1452
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:07,000
don't be talking about love, you must softly say.

1453
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:12,000
Ask you me, can't you see, you're just close to me,

1454
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,000
who meet the baller.

1455
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:20,000
Last time balling, now the balling.

1456
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:28,000
Last time balling, now the balling.

1457
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:32,000
Hey, stop the meter!

1458
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:52,000
I tell you, only Eurasian people get on Eurasian.

1459
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:11,000
But all my life, all my money gone out without,

1460
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:17,000
who am I to get you on my mind?

1461
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:24,000
You're the one who come back when I start again,

1462
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:29,000
trying to forget you just to wait until time.

1463
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:33,000
Baby goodnight,

1464
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,000
you're the girl who fool the scene,

1465
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,000
well it's something,

1466
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:42,000
you can't even imagine.

1467
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,000
Baby goodnight,

1468
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:48,000
you've been in love with all of me,

1469
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,000
I was small,

1470
01:25:50,000 --> 01:26:02,000
as I just didn't like you.

1471
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,000
Holding on,

1472
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:08,000
when all my soul falls in the water,

1473
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:14,000
trying to keep up the smile that had to kill you.

1474
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:21,000
But I was so blown out, that I'm still feeling the pain,

1475
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:26,000
how did the guy that you were here?

1476
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,000
Baby goodnight,

1477
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,000
you've been the girl who fool the scene,

1478
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,000
well it's something,

1479
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:38,000
you can't even imagine.

1480
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,000
Baby goodnight,

1481
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,000
you've been in love with all of me,

1482
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,000
I was small,

1483
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:55,000
as I just didn't like you.

1484
01:26:55,000 --> 01:27:01,000
Nothing to prove it all together,

1485
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:07,000
giving a chance to make you see,

1486
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:13,000
that you used up all your love in your heart.

1487
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,000
Nothing left for me,

1488
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:20,000
you left nothing left for me.

1489
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:23,000
Baby goodnight,

1490
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,000
you've been the girl who fool the scene,

1491
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,000
well it's something,

1492
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:32,000
you can't even imagine.

1493
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,000
Baby goodnight,

1494
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:38,000
you've been in love with all of me,

1495
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,000
I was small,

1496
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:44,000
as I just didn't like you.

1497
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,000
I was small,

1498
01:27:47,000 --> 01:28:15,000
as I just didn't like you.

1499
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:34,000
Yeah, baby goodnight,

1500
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,000
you've been the girl who fool the scene,

1501
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:57,000
mmmm.