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Okay, this is a fun fact. I've always kept it to myself.

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Okay.

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I've never really shared it with anyone, but recently I've realized that this story that I have

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could maybe, you know, inspire people.

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So, tell me, tell me, tell me man.

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Finally getting to terms with it and right now I'm gonna share it for the first time ever.

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Inspire me, come on.

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Ooh. Hi everybody. You might notice right now on the corner of my screen there is a spinning record.

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Just so you know, that we've decided here at the, at CCB TV for the Chris Hansen conversation

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to have series, different different series, to be dedicated for different reasons.

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Today, as usual, one of the things I'm really very very excited to do all the time and very

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happy to do so is to give tribute to our musicians, to our local musicians.

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So far it's been people who've been around a long time, who've made the music institution

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in Singapore an institution, but I also have to give honor and tribute to those who are current,

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who are much younger and taking the stage by storm.

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And with me today I have that kind of special guest.

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My tribute to SG's music icon in my studio today is Kyru Afuon from the band Supersonic.

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Welcome to the Chris Hansen conversation, Afuon.

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Thank you for having me.

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No, no, pleasure is all mine my friend. I'm so glad to have you here.

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Let me tell you the reason why you're here.

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I've seen you perform, I don't know whether you remember, for the very first time

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it was at the Botanical Gardens.

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It was for the Singapore Kindness Movement.

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I think it was for that movement.

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Somebody hired me to do something about kindness for that day and there was an

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a cappella singing concert.

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Oh yes.

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Now that band you were with, what's it called?

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Just B.

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Just B, there you go, with Highzad, right?

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Yes.

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And I saw you for the first time and where was I?

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I was the emcee.

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So I was backstage watching everyone perform, right?

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And I watched you and you did something extraordinary.

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You did something that I completely approve of.

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You did something that made me want to ask other people about you.

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What you did, my friend, was you took the mic and as an a cappella set, my goodness,

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you ran off that stage in Botanical Gardens, that stage that's surrounded by a small little lake.

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Yeah.

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And you ran out to the audience who were picnicking.

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And you just didn't give a hell.

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You just went out there, man.

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Yeah.

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And you continued to perform like a true frontman.

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I even asked people, who's that guy, man?

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And they told me, oh, this guy, this guy's life wire.

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He is today.

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He is today, right?

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So and I couldn't agree more because you know what?

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I mean, I was thinking to myself, I've always liked frontmen who get into the crowd.

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Don't just stick around on stage and be a boss.

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Yeah.

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And you got into the crowd.

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And that really got me going.

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And then I saw you again at Timbre Plus with your band Supersonic.

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And I said, that's that guy again.

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You know?

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And I just had to stay back and I watched you perform.

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You know how to work your crowd.

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Your stage craft is great.

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You are a frontman and a very worthy one.

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So thank you for being on my show.

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Thanks for having me.

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I like to start the show this way.

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Can you tell everyone who, in your own words, is Kairo Afuan?

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Wow.

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This is a conversation.

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Don't be so, don't be stiff with me, man.

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Drink your coffee if you have to.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Coffee pokes you up.

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So who are you, man?

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Okay, Kairo Afuan.

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I think I'm just someone who just loves attention.

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To be honest, I love the attention.

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So when I'm on stage, that's why you see me work with the crowd.

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Because I love it when I make people smile, I make people happy.

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Like you said, if you're just on stage, it just doesn't feel the same.

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It's just not the same.

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Like you said, if you're just on stage, it just doesn't feel the same.

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You know, it's just, to me, there's always a thin boundary.

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Or should I say there's a wall that you need to break.

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You know, because if you're on stage and they're down there, they enjoy the show.

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But it's different if you could engage them in their face.

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Maybe some of them won't like it, but not most of them do so far, I think.

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So I don't think about what I do, I just do it.

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And then at the end of the day, I will look back at it.

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And so far, the past few years, when I go into the crowd, they love it so much.

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So it just became something natural, I guess.

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I want to work on a word you said just now.

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You said you love the attention.

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I love the attention.

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So are you attention seeking or are you an attention grabber?

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Which one?

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I guess it started as attention seeking, maybe because people don't know about me.

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But now, I don't seek attention, I grab your attention.

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So it just comes with experience.

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Ciao, man.

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Yeah, alright.

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You go ahead, man.

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Say what you want to say.

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I'm cool with it.

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Yeah, because when I started out, you know, it's like, you know, when people don't know

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about you, you really need to seek the attention.

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Sure.

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Because you need the attention to survive, I guess, in my perspective, it's like, I want

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you guys to know that we are there.

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Whether I'm singing with Just Be, an a cappella group, or if I'm singing with Supersonic,

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or anyone for that matter, if I'm singing with a band, I want them to take notice.

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Like, hey, we're here, you know?

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And so I guess initially, when you're unknown, you have to seek the attention.

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But I guess once they know who you are, once they're familiar, it's this guy, you know,

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when you see this guy, you know, he's always gonna go far and beyond.

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And then it turns from attention seeking to grabbing their attention.

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I think that's what I think happened between me from the past until where I am now.

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So it's seeking attention first, and now I just grab your attention whether you like it or not.

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So what you're saying is that frontmen have got to be able to build a brand around you,

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especially when you're an unknown.

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Yeah, you need to just do what you think is right.

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And for me, it's to get the attention.

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Because I've been to a few establishments when I was young.

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I've seen good musicians, and they're good, musically tight.

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But some bands, which I see from my own eyes, it's like there's something missing.

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It's like the music is amazing, but I don't feel engaged.

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I don't feel like I'm in it.

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You know, it's like I'm down here and you're up there.

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And then there was one band, I forgot who it was.

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They actually came out and I'm like, wow, this is fun.

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This is like, I feel like I'm in it.

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I'm like, yeah, he asked us to sing along and all that.

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And also, when I was younger, before I started to sing in bands,

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or even before I was in jazz B, I auditioned.

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And this was a very good life lesson for me.

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It changed.

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It really sculpted how I think what is important in a live performance.

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And that is engagement.

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Because I think it was when I was 17 or when I was 18, I went to this small pub in,

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I think it was near Paya Lebar.

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It was called Honeycomb or something like that.

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So I got an audition notice and I went there alone with my guitar.

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And before that, I was singing in schools and all that.

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How old were you then?

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I was 17 or 18.

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And then in school when I was singing, and then when I went to ITE,

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I found out that I actually won a few competitions.

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So I thought I'm there.

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I won't say I'm good, but I'm there.

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I have something.

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So when I went there, I'm very confident.

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I'm going to get this.

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I'm going to get the first resident night ever in my life as a solo performer with a guitar.

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And when I sang, I knew I sang really well because the club were really clapping and clapping

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and they enjoyed it.

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And I'm like, okay, I think I sang about eight songs.

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And then after me, there was this duo.

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Just a bassist.

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And a guy who plays the guitar and sing.

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I'll be very honest, they were not that good.

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Musically, the guy couldn't sing that well because I know I had him.

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I could sing much better.

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But a few weeks later, I just waited and we took four calls.

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He didn't come.

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And then I actually kind of dropped him a text.

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I'm like, hey, so any news?

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Oh, we've already gotten the guys.

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And then I asked, is it that particular duo?

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And he was like, yeah, it's them.

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And then I realized the only reason why they got it is because the only difference between

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them and me, they had interaction.

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The guy knew how to talk.

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But I was still shy then.

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I wasn't what I am now.

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I was shy.

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I just sang.

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I thought that just being able to sing well is enough.

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And then I realized when, because he spoke, he couldn't sing that well.

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The music was not really tight, but he really like, hey, how you guys doing?

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And I'm like, why is he talking so much?

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Like this is an audition for music, right?

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So it should be about the music.

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And then when I realized, but something just bugged me when I went home.

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Then I'm like, that guy has been interacting with the audience.

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Damn, I didn't do that.

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Why didn't I do that?

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Like, I know I could do it even though I'm not that, you know, still shy, still-

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Not too forward.

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Not too forward yet.

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And then when he got it, that really clicked in my head.

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Right.

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This is it.

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You have to not only be a good singer.

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If you can sing well, that's not enough.

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You need to be an entertainer.

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You need to engage the crowd.

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I guess that's what it's all about.

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So from that point onwards, this is the beast that I've made myself.

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How do you, I'm curious, man, because I teach the subject.

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Yeah.

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Through the years, we've been teaching things like, I've been teaching things like stagecraft, right?

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So I want to hear it from you.

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As a front- I mean, you had that realization.

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Yeah.

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And you go, fuck that.

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You know what I mean?

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I've got to be able to engage the crowd.

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Exactly.

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I'm more than just a musician.

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I have to be a fucking entertainer, right?

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So what did you plan?

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How do you strategize your way?

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And how you're going to at least engage and remain relatable to your audiences?

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That's a very good question.

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I've had help because before I decided to become a singer, I was also doing theater.

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I was doing English theater.

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Interesting.

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For a long time.

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I was doing shows for Wild Rise, for Singapore Repertory Theater.

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I was doing the Little Company Show.

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So basically in a nutshell, my English theater background helped me.

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How?

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I've never done theater, so I'm curious to understand.

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Oh, okay.

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How did the lessons you've had through theater?

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And I cannot imagine that because theater is scripted.

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Yep.

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You've got audience, no doubt, but it's scripted.

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You don't really engage the audience, do you?

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And when you have a piece of drama, show, okay.

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Am I wrong there?

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No, you're not.

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You're not.

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If you haven't gone through theater games or there's even an Olympics,

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an Olympics in Australia, which I found out because of English theater,

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because what you do is improv, improvisation.

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So what you see when you see a play, it's scripted, definitely.

250
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It's scripted, you have a script.

251
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But of course you learn, but to be an actor, there's so many things that you need to do.

252
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There's training.

253
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So the trainings are all the trainings that you go through to become an actor

254
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before you get a script for a show.

255
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You need to do improvisation.

256
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You need to do so much.

257
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There's so many theater games.

258
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Let me guess, let me guess.

259
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Is this thing about, this is your cup?

260
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Yeah, yeah, something like that.

261
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And feel your cup.

262
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But the best thing that helped me towards my craft on stage when I'm singing

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is the improvisation part.

264
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So for example, okay, if there's a group of us, maybe a group of four.

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I want you guys to, for example, the four of you will create a story.

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I'll give you what, when, when, and then all you need to do.

267
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I'm not going to give you a script.

268
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This is all improv and everybody has to bounce off each other.

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So if I say, okay, so what, where, and where.

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So if I start with a sentence or maybe if you start with a sentence,

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oh, today it's a very great day, but it's raining.

272
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Next.

273
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Oh, and it's so hot today.

274
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So you don't have anything.

275
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You don't have any materials to read off from.

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So this improvisation helps.

277
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So this is, to me, there's so many games, but I think the improvisation part

278
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really makes you think quick.

279
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So that helped me a lot when I'm on stage.

280
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So what do you think? What do you think?

281
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Now that you've mentioned this, it's really interesting that you've mentioned this

282
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because in our module, I mean, in the past, when, when, you know, we had the MC Academy

283
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and what we taught was we had an improvisation module as well.

284
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Now I'm in agreement with you.

285
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How would you then, if you were to reach out to the younger lot today,

286
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starting out on stage and you had the front men there on the hypothesis

287
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that they come to you and say, fuck bro, I got to learn how to be like you.

288
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Would you actually, let's say on a hypothetical, bring improv

289
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to these guys to learn how to be good front men?

290
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Would you do that?

291
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I would actually, because I think it really helps.

292
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But do you think these, these guys today will be able to stomach something like that?

293
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I think to be very honest, error or whichever.

294
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Whichever, yeah.

295
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Or the category that you belong to because now they like to put

296
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error in categories like millennials and whatever.

297
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To me, an error doesn't define who you are.

298
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There's still people, young people now who have different mindsets, same mindsets as,

299
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for example, people like me who's born in the eighties, early eighties.

300
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And yet there are those who, you know, so I don't think it's defined by when you were born,

301
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but some people have it, some people don't.

302
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So your question is, will they be able to stomach something like this?

303
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Maybe some can, maybe some can't.

304
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If we go back to say, not that you've mentioned that, we go back to say musicians of old.

305
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These guys didn't have improv lessons.

306
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They didn't.

307
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But these guys were high energy.

308
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Most of them were.

309
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I think it's innate.

310
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If you have it, you have it, you know?

311
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And for example, if you see bands like rock bands in the past, they jumped off stage.

312
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So I guess this is where they learn it from.

313
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It's like you don't necessarily, yes, you're right.

314
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There's no improv.

315
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Maybe they were improv then, but it doesn't relate to each other yet.

316
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Not all of them has a theatre background and became a singer.

317
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Let's talk about music.

318
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Let's talk about music.

319
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Yeah.

320
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Because I know you're pressed for time.

321
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So I'm going to talk about music now in case I miss out things I want to ask.

322
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This is actually very fun.

323
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I just want to tell them, no, no.

324
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Bro, you got to make some money, bro.

325
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Okay.

326
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Music, man.

327
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When do you realize that you actually have something musical inside of you?

328
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You sing, you play the guitar.

329
00:15:48,740 --> 00:15:49,460
You write music?

330
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Yeah, but I'm never really...

331
00:15:55,060 --> 00:15:56,260
Now what's going on, man?

332
00:15:57,060 --> 00:15:58,580
That's a nice song, but where is it coming from?

333
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Where is it coming from?

334
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Where is it coming from?

335
00:16:00,580 --> 00:16:01,080
Yeah.

336
00:16:02,580 --> 00:16:03,540
Is it mine?

337
00:16:03,540 --> 00:16:04,580
Yeah, it is yours.

338
00:16:06,580 --> 00:16:08,580
Why did it play a song on its own?

339
00:16:08,580 --> 00:16:09,940
I didn't touch it.

340
00:16:09,940 --> 00:16:10,740
It's cool.

341
00:16:10,740 --> 00:16:13,060
We're going to leave that in shot anyway.

342
00:16:13,060 --> 00:16:15,060
We're not going to edit that out.

343
00:16:15,060 --> 00:16:16,020
Oh my God.

344
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Okay, you're right.

345
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It's that time of the year.

346
00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:23,060
For some strange reason, your phone started playing on its own, man.

347
00:16:23,060 --> 00:16:23,620
Yeah.

348
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I didn't even see it.

349
00:16:24,900 --> 00:16:26,580
So musical journey, man.

350
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I mean, you can sing.

351
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We're your friends, man. We talked about that.

352
00:16:29,300 --> 00:16:31,620
Let's talk about your singing prowess.

353
00:16:33,780 --> 00:16:35,460
When did you discover that you could do that?

354
00:16:36,260 --> 00:16:38,260
First and foremost is thanks to my mom.

355
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Okay.

356
00:16:38,740 --> 00:16:39,940
I was singing in the bathroom.

357
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So my mom told me...

358
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This is a fun fact.

359
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I've always kept it to myself.

360
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I've never really shared it with anyone, but recently I've realized that this story that I have

361
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could maybe inspire people.

362
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Inspire.

363
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So...

364
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Tell me, man.

365
00:17:04,100 --> 00:17:05,460
I'm finally getting to terms with it.

366
00:17:05,460 --> 00:17:07,700
Right now I'm going to share it for the first time ever.

367
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Inspire me, come on.

368
00:17:09,460 --> 00:17:11,540
When I was young, when I was in primary school,

369
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my school friends, to all my Malay friends,

370
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or to all those who understand Malay, they call me a gagap.

371
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What's that?

372
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A gagap.

373
00:17:19,220 --> 00:17:20,340
Okay. What does that mean?

374
00:17:20,340 --> 00:17:23,940
Gagap. In English, it means to stammer.

375
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Someone who stammers.

376
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Get the fuck out of here, man.

377
00:17:26,260 --> 00:17:28,420
No, no. I'm not joking.

378
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This is...

379
00:17:28,980 --> 00:17:30,420
You don't fucking stammer, bro.

380
00:17:30,420 --> 00:17:31,700
You haven't been stammering at all.

381
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I have.

382
00:17:32,820 --> 00:17:33,540
I have.

383
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I'll get to that in a bit.

384
00:17:35,060 --> 00:17:35,460
Okay.

385
00:17:36,020 --> 00:17:40,180
But when I was in primary school, from primary one all the way to primary six,

386
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all my friends, they call me a gagap simply because I stammer.

387
00:17:43,460 --> 00:17:46,580
And when I say stammer, I'm not saying just a bit of a stammer.

388
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Like, hey, how are you doing?

389
00:17:47,780 --> 00:17:48,280
No.

390
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When my mom tells me to go to the shop to buy a prata,

391
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I will line up and queue.

392
00:17:54,660 --> 00:17:57,060
You know how long the queue can get to get prata, right?

393
00:17:57,060 --> 00:17:57,540
Yes. Okay.

394
00:17:57,540 --> 00:17:59,220
The moment I get to the second guy,

395
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the second from the first of line,

396
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I'll go all the way to the back.

397
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Just because I'm so, so afraid because I won't be able to get my words out.

398
00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:11,620
Because until the prata guy knew me so well,

399
00:18:11,620 --> 00:18:12,340
it's okay, it's okay.

400
00:18:12,340 --> 00:18:12,980
Slowly, slowly.

401
00:18:12,980 --> 00:18:13,700
What do you want to say?

402
00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:14,340
What do you want to say?

403
00:18:14,340 --> 00:18:15,060
What do you want to say?

404
00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:16,420
What do you want to say?

405
00:18:16,420 --> 00:18:17,220
Slowly, slowly.

406
00:18:17,220 --> 00:18:17,700
I'll be like...

407
00:18:21,140 --> 00:18:21,780
That bad?

408
00:18:21,780 --> 00:18:23,220
That bad?

409
00:18:23,220 --> 00:18:23,700
That bad.

410
00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:24,260
Wow.

411
00:18:24,260 --> 00:18:27,700
And my dad, his way of trying to help me is,

412
00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:31,700
Abang, every time you stammer, I will smack you in the back.

413
00:18:31,700 --> 00:18:32,500
Okay?

414
00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:34,260
So try not to stammer.

415
00:18:34,260 --> 00:18:35,460
I'm like, what the hell?

416
00:18:35,460 --> 00:18:36,340
I'm in a house.

417
00:18:36,340 --> 00:18:38,580
That's how we say, smack you in the back of the head,

418
00:18:38,580 --> 00:18:39,380
everything will be fine.

419
00:18:39,380 --> 00:18:42,500
Exactly. I'm like, no, that doesn't help.

420
00:18:42,500 --> 00:18:46,500
So I'm trying to find a way to get out of being slapped in the back

421
00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:47,460
every single time I stammer.

422
00:18:47,460 --> 00:18:49,460
So at home, I'll just keep my mouth shut.

423
00:18:49,460 --> 00:18:51,940
I won't say a thing unless I have to.

424
00:18:51,940 --> 00:18:56,500
So when my mom said to me, she calls me Abang,

425
00:18:56,500 --> 00:19:00,500
she'll say, Abang, when you speak, you stammer.

426
00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:02,580
But I realize when you sing in the shower, you don't stammer.

427
00:19:03,460 --> 00:19:03,620
Yeah.

428
00:19:03,620 --> 00:19:06,820
And I'm like, eh, that's a realization, which I didn't realize.

429
00:19:06,820 --> 00:19:07,460
My mom did.

430
00:19:07,460 --> 00:19:10,260
So she said, there has to be a reason why you don't stammer when you sing.

431
00:19:10,260 --> 00:19:11,940
I'm like, that's true, mom.

432
00:19:11,940 --> 00:19:14,180
I'm like, so it took me a while.

433
00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:18,420
And then I found out there's something that I could use

434
00:19:18,420 --> 00:19:20,020
to not stop my stammering.

435
00:19:20,020 --> 00:19:23,060
Actually, as a matter of fact, you said that you didn't see me stammer at all

436
00:19:23,060 --> 00:19:23,540
just now.

437
00:19:23,540 --> 00:19:24,660
I am still stammering.

438
00:19:24,660 --> 00:19:25,300
Mm-hmm.

439
00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:25,940
No.

440
00:19:25,940 --> 00:19:26,980
I don't hear it.

441
00:19:26,980 --> 00:19:28,500
Yeah, but I'm covering it.

442
00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:30,180
I've learned how to live with it.

443
00:19:30,180 --> 00:19:30,660
OK.

444
00:19:30,660 --> 00:19:33,140
And the only reason is this.

445
00:19:33,140 --> 00:19:34,740
I use rhythm when I talk.

446
00:19:35,380 --> 00:19:37,140
Because I realize when I sing, there's a rhythm, right?

447
00:19:37,140 --> 00:19:38,100
There's a tempo, right?

448
00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:41,540
So there's a one, two, three, four, or one and two and three and four.

449
00:19:41,540 --> 00:19:46,100
So I realized, what if I counted in my head or I counted with my fingers

450
00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:46,980
before I talk?

451
00:19:46,980 --> 00:19:48,580
So I tried, I tried.

452
00:19:48,580 --> 00:19:50,340
So when I was younger, I was like, one, two, three, four.

453
00:19:50,340 --> 00:19:51,940
But everything was physical.

454
00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:55,940
I was using my fingers, I was using my head, I was using my legs, and it worked.

455
00:19:55,940 --> 00:19:58,580
So before I speak, I'll go like, one, two, three, four.

456
00:19:58,580 --> 00:20:00,100
Hey, Chris, how are you doing today?

457
00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:04,260
So I'm speaking with a rhythm, with a rhythm, with a tempo.

458
00:20:04,260 --> 00:20:09,540
If I don't count, OK, let's OK, don't count and try to speak.

459
00:20:13,540 --> 00:20:14,100
Mm.

460
00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:15,540
Yeah, I can't.

461
00:20:15,540 --> 00:20:16,100
Really.

462
00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:17,140
I can't.

463
00:20:17,140 --> 00:20:23,460
It's so hard to get it out if I don't have an inner rhythm or an inner tempo.

464
00:20:23,460 --> 00:20:24,260
That's me.

465
00:20:24,260 --> 00:20:32,260
So when I found out that I could use rhythm to help me out with my stammering, so it worked.

466
00:20:32,260 --> 00:20:38,420
So and when I'm doing English theater, for example, I know this is not about music,

467
00:20:38,420 --> 00:20:44,580
but when I do English theater, I also found out that if I go all out, if I have a persona,

468
00:20:44,580 --> 00:20:45,540
also I don't stammer.

469
00:20:45,540 --> 00:20:50,580
So it's like I'm using the rhythm plus a persona like, hey, ladies and gentlemen,

470
00:20:50,580 --> 00:20:53,380
welcome down to this wonderful day.

471
00:20:53,380 --> 00:20:55,460
So it's like it's a rhythm plus.

472
00:20:55,460 --> 00:21:01,460
But if I'm like very relaxed and I don't count, it's kind of hard to go.

473
00:21:02,020 --> 00:21:09,140
And I've learned that sometimes even when I count in my head, now I don't try to make it as obvious.

474
00:21:09,140 --> 00:21:12,420
I'll count with my toes in my shoes or I'll just count in my head.

475
00:21:12,420 --> 00:21:13,540
Hey, Chris, how are you doing today?

476
00:21:13,540 --> 00:21:14,340
Yeah, today is good.

477
00:21:14,340 --> 00:21:15,620
Oh, what a wonderful day.

478
00:21:16,340 --> 00:21:17,860
Sometimes I still stammer.

479
00:21:17,860 --> 00:21:20,660
And when that happens, even though when I count, I do stammer a bit,

480
00:21:20,660 --> 00:21:22,260
I'll try to make it look like I'm thinking.

481
00:21:22,260 --> 00:21:22,660
Wow, man.

482
00:21:22,660 --> 00:21:26,580
I try to incorporate, like make it look like seamless, but it's not.

483
00:21:26,580 --> 00:21:27,780
It's actually me stammering.

484
00:21:27,780 --> 00:21:31,460
So I'm like, you know, actually I'm not thinking.

485
00:21:31,460 --> 00:21:36,260
I know what I want to say, but I'm just using that to cover, you know,

486
00:21:36,260 --> 00:21:37,860
so that you won't know that I'm stammering.

487
00:21:37,860 --> 00:21:39,140
So that's what I've been doing all my life.

488
00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:43,300
So your mom made you realize that you don't stammer when you sing in the bathroom.

489
00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:48,580
But the question is, how did you discover that you could sing,

490
00:21:49,220 --> 00:21:53,300
obviously as a front man and as a lead male vocal,

491
00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:56,900
you've got to be dead damn good to be there.

492
00:21:57,460 --> 00:21:59,300
So you've got to be musically inclined.

493
00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:01,380
You've got to have that in you.

494
00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:06,340
Not just singing in melody, but there's got to be groove in it as well.

495
00:22:06,340 --> 00:22:06,660
Right?

496
00:22:06,660 --> 00:22:09,060
I mean, it just can't be technical.

497
00:22:09,060 --> 00:22:10,260
You've got to be musical.

498
00:22:10,260 --> 00:22:13,300
When did you discover you could do all that?

499
00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:20,100
I think I just sang in the bathroom or whenever I could,

500
00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:21,380
because I think I love music.

501
00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:24,340
My mom told me when I was younger,

502
00:22:24,340 --> 00:22:26,580
I actually stole a cassette from a shop without knowing.

503
00:22:27,380 --> 00:22:28,260
Without knowing.

504
00:22:28,260 --> 00:22:30,180
I just took the cassette and I went out.

505
00:22:30,180 --> 00:22:32,260
And then when we read show mom, it's like,

506
00:22:32,260 --> 00:22:34,980
you took a cassette from the music shop?

507
00:22:34,980 --> 00:22:37,540
So I think I was drawn to music.

508
00:22:37,540 --> 00:22:40,900
And she said that the first music that I sang to was Ray Charles.

509
00:22:41,940 --> 00:22:43,780
Was it Ray Charles or was it Stevie Wonder?

510
00:22:43,780 --> 00:22:45,140
I just called.

511
00:22:45,140 --> 00:22:46,020
Oh, Stevie Wonder.

512
00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:46,500
Stevie Wonder.

513
00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:47,140
Yeah.

514
00:22:47,140 --> 00:22:49,540
So she said that was the first song that I sang when I was younger.

515
00:22:49,540 --> 00:22:51,460
So I think I gravitated toward music.

516
00:22:51,460 --> 00:22:54,500
It's so strange, man, because most Singaporean musicians I know,

517
00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:58,260
or singers I know, male singers, seem to tell me the same story.

518
00:22:59,780 --> 00:23:02,420
Somehow it started with Stevie Wonder and I keep wondering.

519
00:23:02,420 --> 00:23:02,900
Yeah.

520
00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:04,180
I keep wondering about that.

521
00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:05,060
That's why it's a wonder.

522
00:23:05,060 --> 00:23:07,860
Well, yeah, it didn't do it for me.

523
00:23:08,660 --> 00:23:09,940
Stevie Wonder didn't do it for me.

524
00:23:10,740 --> 00:23:12,980
It was more older than that.

525
00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:18,340
So yeah, so going back to your question, that's how I got,

526
00:23:19,060 --> 00:23:22,100
I mean, I ran into, because my dad doesn't sing.

527
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:23,780
My dad is not a musician.

528
00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:28,580
He likes music, but he likes to listen to music, but he's not a singer.

529
00:23:28,580 --> 00:23:29,140
He doesn't.

530
00:23:29,140 --> 00:23:36,900
So I don't think there's anyone in my generation or in my lineage

531
00:23:37,620 --> 00:23:38,660
of anyone being a musician.

532
00:23:38,660 --> 00:23:40,020
So I think I'm the first.

533
00:23:40,020 --> 00:23:42,020
But my mom can sing though.

534
00:23:42,020 --> 00:23:43,540
She sings in school.

535
00:23:43,540 --> 00:23:44,420
She was from Malaysia.

536
00:23:45,140 --> 00:23:49,300
And she sang for like a talent time when she was in school.

537
00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:50,260
And she got second.

538
00:23:50,260 --> 00:23:53,300
So I think I've got my talent from her.

539
00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:54,420
The DNA came from her.

540
00:23:54,420 --> 00:23:54,740
Yeah.

541
00:23:54,740 --> 00:23:56,020
So the DNA came from her.

542
00:23:56,020 --> 00:24:03,300
So yeah, but what you see now is honestly years of hard work, years of hard work, years of

543
00:24:04,420 --> 00:24:06,660
tuning and honing my craft.

544
00:24:06,660 --> 00:24:11,220
I mean, I didn't just sing well, because to be very honest, the first time my mom

545
00:24:11,220 --> 00:24:14,020
forced me on stage to sing, it was very embarrassing.

546
00:24:14,740 --> 00:24:18,180
It was my dad's dinner and dance at a boat called King Ho.

547
00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:18,900
Oh, King Ho.

548
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:20,100
Yeah, I did a gig there.

549
00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:20,600
Yeah.

550
00:24:22,180 --> 00:24:22,680
Shit.

551
00:24:23,220 --> 00:24:24,980
You might have been the host.

552
00:24:24,980 --> 00:24:27,060
I don't know, because I don't remember much.

553
00:24:27,060 --> 00:24:28,180
All I remember was this.

554
00:24:28,180 --> 00:24:30,260
It was a birthday party at King Ho.

555
00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:34,340
My dad was a DND and there was I think 100 people or...

556
00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:35,220
Wait a second.

557
00:24:35,220 --> 00:24:37,060
I did do a DND at King Ho as well.

558
00:24:37,060 --> 00:24:38,340
I don't know where this is going.

559
00:24:38,340 --> 00:24:38,980
This might be fate.

560
00:24:38,980 --> 00:24:42,420
But anyway, what happened was my mom said, join it, join it.

561
00:24:42,420 --> 00:24:43,300
I'm like, okay, sure.

562
00:24:44,340 --> 00:24:47,540
There was someone there that I kind of had a crush on.

563
00:24:47,540 --> 00:24:49,380
It was my dad's friend's daughter.

564
00:24:49,380 --> 00:24:54,580
I was like, okay, I'm going to take this as an opportunity to impress everybody, including her.

565
00:24:54,580 --> 00:24:57,780
So I chose a song and I regretted it until this day.

566
00:24:57,780 --> 00:25:00,100
The song that I chose was From Boys to Men.

567
00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:00,580
Okay.

568
00:25:00,580 --> 00:25:05,140
For God's sake, of all bands, you had to take Boys to Men.

569
00:25:05,140 --> 00:25:07,460
You know how amazing they are.

570
00:25:07,460 --> 00:25:08,100
End of the road.

571
00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:10,180
On bended knee.

572
00:25:11,940 --> 00:25:13,540
Fortunately, it wasn't I'll make love to you.

573
00:25:14,340 --> 00:25:14,840
Exactly.

574
00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:17,220
And then what happened was I went up.

575
00:25:17,220 --> 00:25:18,020
Okay, all right.

576
00:25:18,020 --> 00:25:22,020
Right now, we're going to call upon the next contestant, Kyro Afuon.

577
00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:23,140
Oh, it was a contest.

578
00:25:23,140 --> 00:25:23,860
It was a contest.

579
00:25:23,860 --> 00:25:24,660
Right, right. Okay.

580
00:25:24,660 --> 00:25:25,700
It was like a talent time.

581
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:26,340
Right.

582
00:25:26,340 --> 00:25:30,100
So I went up, confident, held the mic and then the song played.

583
00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:30,740
The song played.

584
00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:32,980
I held the mic to my mouth.

585
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:35,060
Guess what?

586
00:25:35,060 --> 00:25:35,460
What?

587
00:25:35,460 --> 00:25:38,740
The song went all the way to the chorus, not even a peep.

588
00:25:38,740 --> 00:25:39,460
Why?

589
00:25:39,460 --> 00:25:41,220
I couldn't get my voice out.

590
00:25:41,860 --> 00:25:42,660
I was like...

591
00:25:42,660 --> 00:25:43,300
Too nervous.

592
00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:48,340
It was my first, like my mom just said, go do it because you haven't performed in front

593
00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:51,620
of an audience before and I can hear you sing in the bathroom so you could do it.

594
00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:52,260
You know, you can do it.

595
00:25:52,260 --> 00:25:54,260
I got confidence and I got confidence in my father.

596
00:25:54,260 --> 00:25:56,340
Why does this scene sound so familiar to me, man?

597
00:25:56,340 --> 00:25:56,900
I don't know.

598
00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:57,540
So what happened was...

599
00:25:57,540 --> 00:25:58,660
What year was that?

600
00:25:58,660 --> 00:25:59,160
I...

601
00:25:59,780 --> 00:26:00,280
Probably...

602
00:26:01,780 --> 00:26:02,500
90...

603
00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:04,500
1995, 96.

604
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:05,700
Holy shit balls, dude.

605
00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:06,500
It could have been me, though.

606
00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:09,460
It could have been you because the MC said this, all right.

607
00:26:10,020 --> 00:26:11,140
All right, stop the music.

608
00:26:11,140 --> 00:26:12,260
Stop the music.

609
00:26:12,260 --> 00:26:13,780
All right, good try.

610
00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:15,060
A better luck next time.

611
00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:16,660
Okay, next better player.

612
00:26:16,660 --> 00:26:18,260
So that's what happened.

613
00:26:18,260 --> 00:26:20,660
So that was my first public performance.

614
00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:23,780
Somehow this is striking a chord with me somewhere.

615
00:26:23,780 --> 00:26:26,500
I'm sorry if it was me.

616
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:27,540
No, no, no.

617
00:26:27,540 --> 00:26:28,980
It was a great lesson to learn.

618
00:26:30,020 --> 00:26:35,940
So yeah, so that was my first time, first public performance that didn't even happen at all

619
00:26:35,940 --> 00:26:37,220
because I was so nervous.

620
00:26:38,260 --> 00:26:42,660
So yeah, so that's how I started but I guess I'm very stubborn

621
00:26:43,780 --> 00:26:47,380
because when things like this happen, instead of, you know...

622
00:26:47,380 --> 00:26:48,660
Running away, you fall.

623
00:26:48,660 --> 00:26:50,660
I'm like, damn, no, no, this is not...

624
00:26:50,660 --> 00:26:54,100
This doesn't sit well with me.

625
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:55,300
So I'm like, I'm gonna do it again.

626
00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:56,100
I'm gonna do it again.

627
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:57,140
So I kept going.

628
00:26:57,140 --> 00:27:02,500
So if I can work with my stammer, I can do anything

629
00:27:03,540 --> 00:27:06,020
because I've asked, you know, how do you work with stammer?

630
00:27:06,020 --> 00:27:08,820
Some of them say they don't know, have to like smack yourself or something.

631
00:27:09,940 --> 00:27:16,900
I've heard a thousand advices from people that doesn't make sense.

632
00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:20,100
So I'm very glad I found it out my way.

633
00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:21,060
Yeah, yeah.

634
00:27:21,060 --> 00:27:26,020
And some of them say you have to like drink cold water and try to cough or whatever.

635
00:27:26,020 --> 00:27:28,020
Man, so yeah.

636
00:27:28,020 --> 00:27:31,460
I just, I found something interesting online.

637
00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:35,540
I mean, of course I would do my due diligence and check out my guests before they come.

638
00:27:35,540 --> 00:27:38,260
Otherwise, it's disrespectful if I don't find out, right?

639
00:27:38,260 --> 00:27:39,700
Oh my God, what did you find out?

640
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:40,900
How were you in school, man?

641
00:27:41,540 --> 00:27:42,340
Shy.

642
00:27:42,340 --> 00:27:43,140
Okay.

643
00:27:43,140 --> 00:27:45,060
Naughty, mischievous, but shy.

644
00:27:45,060 --> 00:27:47,060
How, why were your grades, man?

645
00:27:47,060 --> 00:27:48,260
Oh, bad.

646
00:27:48,260 --> 00:27:51,300
My grades, primary school were good for some reason.

647
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:52,660
I've got a good grade.

648
00:27:52,660 --> 00:27:54,660
So I went to Express Stream.

649
00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:59,620
But when I went to Express Stream, I think, I don't know whether they're still doing it now,

650
00:27:59,620 --> 00:28:02,340
but you could go through the next level by two ways.

651
00:28:02,340 --> 00:28:05,540
Like you pass everything or if you can't pass everything,

652
00:28:05,540 --> 00:28:08,100
you just need to pass English and two other subjects.

653
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:10,100
Back then when I was in school.

654
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:14,100
So you have an option of you pass everything, even if you fail English or something like that.

655
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:17,300
Or you can pass English, Art and Malay and you can go to the next one.

656
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:24,660
I can't really remember how it works right now even.

657
00:28:24,660 --> 00:28:27,460
So that was how it worked when I was in school.

658
00:28:27,460 --> 00:28:31,060
So I think that was actually, I don't know, it just doesn't make sense.

659
00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:34,580
But you said that you worked as a sales assistant in the metro department store

660
00:28:34,580 --> 00:28:36,820
and a bartender in the pub while you were in school.

661
00:28:36,820 --> 00:28:37,780
Oh man.

662
00:28:37,780 --> 00:28:38,420
Yeah.

663
00:28:38,420 --> 00:28:43,380
And then you also worked as a workman to make tentages alongside workmen.

664
00:28:43,380 --> 00:28:45,140
Alongside workers in Bangladesh.

665
00:28:45,140 --> 00:28:45,860
Yeah, yeah.

666
00:28:45,860 --> 00:28:47,700
Why were you doing all that man?

667
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:50,740
Wow.

668
00:28:50,740 --> 00:28:52,660
Your teacher said you had no hope.

669
00:28:52,660 --> 00:28:53,700
Yep.

670
00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:55,220
Yeah.

671
00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:55,860
They had no hope.

672
00:28:55,860 --> 00:28:57,540
Yeah.

673
00:28:57,540 --> 00:29:00,340
They had no hope in you, but you had hope right?

674
00:29:00,340 --> 00:29:02,580
Yeah, because a lot of them say the same thing.

675
00:29:02,580 --> 00:29:05,780
You're smart, but you're very playful.

676
00:29:05,780 --> 00:29:07,380
You're too playful.

677
00:29:07,380 --> 00:29:09,700
But why were you working during your school years?

678
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:16,820
Oh, wow, this is quite a personal question.

679
00:29:16,820 --> 00:29:18,580
Well, it's on the public sphere here.

680
00:29:18,580 --> 00:29:19,460
Yeah, it is.

681
00:29:19,460 --> 00:29:23,140
But then again, that's all right.

682
00:29:23,140 --> 00:29:25,700
My dad needed help.

683
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:26,180
OK.

684
00:29:26,180 --> 00:29:27,300
Yeah, he needed help.

685
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:28,900
And my mom wasn't working then.

686
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:30,500
She was working for a while, but then she stopped.

687
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:31,780
So you worked for the family then?

688
00:29:31,780 --> 00:29:32,580
Worked for the family.

689
00:29:32,580 --> 00:29:33,780
Nothing shameful in that, bro.

690
00:29:33,780 --> 00:29:34,740
Yeah.

691
00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:36,820
Not that, just cape.

692
00:29:36,820 --> 00:29:41,540
So for reasons unknown, I had to help my dad out.

693
00:29:41,540 --> 00:29:46,420
So I had to work so that I could help

694
00:29:46,420 --> 00:29:47,620
to contribute to the family.

695
00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:49,620
So that's why I worked early.

696
00:29:49,620 --> 00:29:51,700
And that's why I worked all the different jobs.

697
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:56,660
My first job was for Metro when I was in sec 3.

698
00:29:56,660 --> 00:29:57,940
Which Metro was this?

699
00:29:57,940 --> 00:30:02,740
It was at, I think it was the Metro at Far East Plaza.

700
00:30:02,740 --> 00:30:04,580
I was working in the Metro in Lucky Plaza.

701
00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:05,080
Yeah.

702
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:05,580
Yeah.

703
00:30:05,580 --> 00:30:07,580
Hey, wait, is it Lucky Plaza?

704
00:30:07,580 --> 00:30:10,380
But I was, no, I think I'm a lot older than you.

705
00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:13,860
I was working there for my O-level holidays.

706
00:30:13,860 --> 00:30:14,380
Yeah, because I'm-

707
00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:15,500
Security guard, yeah.

708
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:16,140
Wow, guard.

709
00:30:16,140 --> 00:30:16,640
Yeah.

710
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,220
I work at the ladies shoes department.

711
00:30:19,220 --> 00:30:20,180
No shit, dude.

712
00:30:20,180 --> 00:30:21,100
No shit.

713
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:22,180
At first I was like, what?

714
00:30:22,180 --> 00:30:23,180
Ladies shoes department?

715
00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:25,940
But then I realized, hey, this is not bad.

716
00:30:25,940 --> 00:30:26,420
Yeah.

717
00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:30,540
Because you help the ladies to wear their shoes on.

718
00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:31,420
So yeah.

719
00:30:31,420 --> 00:30:36,540
So the teachers who said that you come to no good.

720
00:30:36,540 --> 00:30:38,260
There's zero hope for you.

721
00:30:38,260 --> 00:30:43,900
But did you ever go back to that school to prove them wrong?

722
00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:47,900
I've never, OK, I think I don't really

723
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:50,940
have a vindictive nature.

724
00:30:50,940 --> 00:30:51,900
I don't think so.

725
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:52,900
OK.

726
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:55,460
For those who think I have, by all means.

727
00:30:55,460 --> 00:30:56,660
But I don't think I do.

728
00:30:56,660 --> 00:30:57,060
OK.

729
00:30:57,060 --> 00:31:00,340
I don't have that vindictive nature to like,

730
00:31:00,340 --> 00:31:01,780
I want to prove them wrong.

731
00:31:01,780 --> 00:31:06,060
But it's more for me to prove to myself that I can be better.

732
00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:06,820
Yep.

733
00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:10,740
But there were a few opportunities

734
00:31:10,740 --> 00:31:14,660
where I had to go back because I was doing English theater.

735
00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:14,940
Right?

736
00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:15,300
Right.

737
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:19,740
So because of English theater, I learned about how to teach as

738
00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:20,380
well.

739
00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:22,260
So I went back to a lot of schools.

740
00:31:22,260 --> 00:31:25,180
I was teaching for about, I think, eight years, eight,

741
00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:25,660
10 years.

742
00:31:25,660 --> 00:31:27,140
So I go to all the schools.

743
00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:29,580
And then I teach for like a drama.

744
00:31:29,580 --> 00:31:32,900
They call it in-curriculum lesson.

745
00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:34,860
So I'll go into the schools and teach drama.

746
00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:38,020
And Boon Lay Secondary, which is where I was from,

747
00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:39,860
was one of the schools that I went back at.

748
00:31:39,860 --> 00:31:40,380
OK.

749
00:31:40,380 --> 00:31:43,380
So that was probably like 12 years later.

750
00:31:43,380 --> 00:31:48,460
And the best thing was, some teachers were still there.

751
00:31:48,460 --> 00:31:50,220
And the best part was one of the teachers

752
00:31:50,220 --> 00:31:52,740
that said I couldn't make it was there still.

753
00:31:52,740 --> 00:31:56,500
So when I came back, I didn't make it a point to find her.

754
00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:57,300
But I just walked.

755
00:31:57,300 --> 00:32:00,060
And then, yeah, I saw her.

756
00:32:00,060 --> 00:32:02,300
I'm like, hey, hello.

757
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:05,340
And she's like, you know, she looked at me once.

758
00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:06,860
She's like, hello.

759
00:32:06,860 --> 00:32:08,060
Do I know you?

760
00:32:08,060 --> 00:32:11,060
I'm not, yeah, I'm so and so.

761
00:32:11,060 --> 00:32:13,060
Oh.

762
00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:13,980
Oh.

763
00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:15,940
She's like, what are you doing here?

764
00:32:15,940 --> 00:32:17,980
You know, you have your kid here or something.

765
00:32:17,980 --> 00:32:19,100
Oh, no.

766
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:21,540
I'm teaching.

767
00:32:21,540 --> 00:32:23,260
I'm teaching drama.

768
00:32:23,260 --> 00:32:25,020
I'm teaching them about confidence,

769
00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:28,780
about stage etiquette, about, yeah, so yeah,

770
00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:31,780
I'm going to be here for the next probably eight months

771
00:32:31,780 --> 00:32:35,100
because I'll be in charge of your drama club.

772
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:41,020
And she's like, oh, OK, wow, you've changed.

773
00:32:41,020 --> 00:32:43,340
You have turned your life around.

774
00:32:43,340 --> 00:32:44,740
And then I just told her this.

775
00:32:44,740 --> 00:32:48,700
No, I'm still the same person as I was when you first saw me.

776
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:51,500
Yeah, I'm still the same mischievous.

777
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:52,660
Yeah, no good.

778
00:32:52,660 --> 00:32:57,100
But I guess some people have faith in me, unlike you.

779
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:57,700
But it's OK.

780
00:32:57,700 --> 00:32:58,380
It's all right.

781
00:32:58,380 --> 00:32:59,420
I wish you all the best.

782
00:32:59,420 --> 00:33:01,900
And then I just walked off.

783
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:03,780
She was like, ah.

784
00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:06,940
You know, this is a story that's all too familiar for me, man.

785
00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:09,140
You know, my son, when he was, I'm not going to mention

786
00:33:09,140 --> 00:33:11,340
the school, I love the schools that he's been in.

787
00:33:11,340 --> 00:33:13,380
Both my alma maters.

788
00:33:13,380 --> 00:33:18,460
When he went over to primary one to my old primary school,

789
00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:21,860
lo and behold, when the parents had the orientation thing that

790
00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:24,780
happened in the school then, these years ago,

791
00:33:24,780 --> 00:33:28,220
my primary one teacher, who had an issue with me,

792
00:33:28,220 --> 00:33:30,500
way back when in 1977.

793
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:31,260
Primary one?

794
00:33:31,260 --> 00:33:33,380
Yeah, she was still teaching.

795
00:33:33,380 --> 00:33:36,060
Apparently, that was her last year.

796
00:33:36,060 --> 00:33:40,100
And she just had to bump to me.

797
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:40,980
And she looked at me.

798
00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:44,660
She recognized me from freaking 77, man.

799
00:33:44,660 --> 00:33:48,380
And this was like eight years ago.

800
00:33:48,380 --> 00:33:52,180
And she said my full name, Christopher Henson.

801
00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:55,500
Oh my god.

802
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:57,020
And she's like, oh, don't tell me.

803
00:33:57,020 --> 00:33:58,820
We're going to have another one of you here.

804
00:33:58,820 --> 00:34:01,940
Oh my god.

805
00:34:01,940 --> 00:34:04,220
As it came, you got a memory of an elephant.

806
00:34:04,220 --> 00:34:06,180
Yeah.

807
00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:08,180
Crazy.

808
00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:10,140
She couldn't let it go.

809
00:34:10,140 --> 00:34:11,380
I mean, my goodness.

810
00:34:11,380 --> 00:34:13,900
Because of her, I got my first two strokes of the principal,

811
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:14,420
man.

812
00:34:14,420 --> 00:34:15,020
Oh, man.

813
00:34:15,020 --> 00:34:16,580
Yeah, primary one.

814
00:34:16,580 --> 00:34:18,140
Some people don't forget.

815
00:34:18,140 --> 00:34:20,220
Well, there's some tinge of familiarity.

816
00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:21,540
I was also told the same thing.

817
00:34:21,540 --> 00:34:24,020
You amounted to nothing in life when I was in secondary school.

818
00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:24,860
Yeah.

819
00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:26,260
We both got canes from school.

820
00:34:26,260 --> 00:34:26,660
Yeah.

821
00:34:26,660 --> 00:34:27,380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

822
00:34:27,380 --> 00:34:28,740
Me too.

823
00:34:28,740 --> 00:34:29,260
Nice.

824
00:34:29,260 --> 00:34:31,420
So as a full time musician, you're full time.

825
00:34:31,420 --> 00:34:33,420
You're doing this completely full time, right?

826
00:34:33,420 --> 00:34:34,100
Yeah.

827
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:35,580
OK.

828
00:34:35,580 --> 00:34:40,740
Can you tell everyone, with all true honesty, hand to heart,

829
00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:43,180
this profession today, does it help

830
00:34:43,180 --> 00:34:46,780
put bread on the table and a roof over the head of your family?

831
00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:48,020
Yes, it does.

832
00:34:48,020 --> 00:34:49,340
Let's rate this.

833
00:34:49,340 --> 00:34:51,620
Let's rate this this way, OK?

834
00:34:51,620 --> 00:34:56,540
Not enough, just enough, a little more than enough,

835
00:34:56,540 --> 00:34:59,740
more than I can expect.

836
00:34:59,740 --> 00:35:03,540
From my experience, a little more than enough.

837
00:35:03,540 --> 00:35:04,980
It goes between both.

838
00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:10,020
Just nice and more than enough.

839
00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:10,500
OK.

840
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:12,060
So which means you're comfortable.

841
00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:12,700
Very comfortable.

842
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:14,780
As a full time musician.

843
00:35:14,780 --> 00:35:16,340
Yes, very comfortable.

844
00:35:16,340 --> 00:35:18,260
But you have to work your ass off.

845
00:35:18,260 --> 00:35:19,780
Yes, you have to work your ass off.

846
00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:20,300
OK.

847
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:21,580
And how hard do you work?

848
00:35:21,580 --> 00:35:24,180
I mean, how many days a week do you perform?

849
00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:25,620
Right now?

850
00:35:25,620 --> 00:35:27,820
Right now, it's five days a week.

851
00:35:27,820 --> 00:35:28,780
Well, that's not so bad.

852
00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:29,740
Not so bad.

853
00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:32,020
But there was a point in time before COVID,

854
00:35:32,020 --> 00:35:33,940
I was singing seven nights a week.

855
00:35:33,940 --> 00:35:35,820
And the worst, not say the worst,

856
00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:40,140
but I think I'm thinking back, I was actually very surprised

857
00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:42,460
that I could go through it and still have

858
00:35:42,460 --> 00:35:43,620
my voice every single day.

859
00:35:43,620 --> 00:35:44,380
Exactly.

860
00:35:44,380 --> 00:35:46,180
There was a point in time I was singing seven nights

861
00:35:46,180 --> 00:35:49,300
a week, and not only that, six nights a week,

862
00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:52,180
from Monday to Saturday, I was playing at two venues.

863
00:35:52,180 --> 00:35:55,820
Because the bosses that I play for own both venues.

864
00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:58,580
So they made me sing at both venues.

865
00:35:58,580 --> 00:36:03,100
And what happened is I will sing one set at their first venue

866
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:06,140
in Clark Key, and then they will even hire a van for me

867
00:36:06,140 --> 00:36:07,780
to go in between during the break.

868
00:36:07,780 --> 00:36:09,980
So when I end my first set at Clark Key,

869
00:36:09,980 --> 00:36:13,340
the van will bring me to Marina Square for their next venue

870
00:36:13,340 --> 00:36:15,220
for the first set there.

871
00:36:15,220 --> 00:36:16,860
And then I go back to Clark Key for the second set.

872
00:36:16,860 --> 00:36:18,220
You're shitting me, right?

873
00:36:18,220 --> 00:36:19,660
So I did that for three years.

874
00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:20,940
Oh.

875
00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:24,220
And I was singing as a three piece band.

876
00:36:24,220 --> 00:36:26,260
And I was the only singer, I was the main singer.

877
00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:28,980
None of my band members could sing a lot.

878
00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:30,460
So maybe one or two songs per night.

879
00:36:30,460 --> 00:36:31,940
But I was singing probably about.

880
00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:35,300
So the two venues combined, I think

881
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:39,940
I sang about 60, 50 over songs per night on my own.

882
00:36:39,940 --> 00:36:43,380
And me being me, and those people who knew me,

883
00:36:43,380 --> 00:36:45,460
they would ask for songs like Sweet Child of Mine.

884
00:36:45,460 --> 00:36:46,300
Oh gosh.

885
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:48,260
You know, cause they know I have quite a high range.

886
00:36:48,260 --> 00:36:50,420
So you know how people would like to ask

887
00:36:50,420 --> 00:36:51,580
for songs to test you?

888
00:36:51,580 --> 00:36:52,420
Yeah.

889
00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:53,860
So every single night for three whole years,

890
00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:54,940
I was singing like that.

891
00:36:54,940 --> 00:36:57,860
And then on Sunday I was singing at Acronova.

892
00:36:57,860 --> 00:36:58,700
Yeah, oh boy.

893
00:36:58,700 --> 00:36:59,940
When A-List was having a break.

894
00:36:59,940 --> 00:37:01,580
So the vibe sings there.

895
00:37:01,580 --> 00:37:02,780
So I sing with the vibes on Sunday.

896
00:37:02,780 --> 00:37:07,660
So seven nights a week, 50, 60 over songs per day

897
00:37:07,660 --> 00:37:09,460
for three years without break.

898
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:11,260
How do you survive that?

899
00:37:11,260 --> 00:37:13,140
I ask myself the same question.

900
00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:13,980
How did I do that?

901
00:37:13,980 --> 00:37:15,260
So when you ask me how many things,

902
00:37:15,260 --> 00:37:16,220
how many nights I'm singing,

903
00:37:16,220 --> 00:37:18,300
now five compared to that, that was,

904
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:20,860
but the thing was I enjoyed it.

905
00:37:20,860 --> 00:37:22,500
I'm sure you did, yeah.

906
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:24,620
I loved it, but how did I do it?

907
00:37:24,620 --> 00:37:25,620
I don't know.

908
00:37:25,620 --> 00:37:27,740
Probably age, really, really probably age.

909
00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:29,940
Cause now I'm past my 40s

910
00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:32,980
and I'm slowly feeling the difference.

911
00:37:32,980 --> 00:37:34,980
What I could do then and what I'm doing

912
00:37:34,980 --> 00:37:37,500
like maybe three quarter right now,

913
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:40,340
is I'm feeling the pain, I'm feeling,

914
00:37:40,340 --> 00:37:42,580
I need more time to recuperate.

915
00:37:42,580 --> 00:37:44,860
There's so many differences in my body now,

916
00:37:44,860 --> 00:37:46,900
like years later, especially when you pass your 40s.

917
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:49,860
So I could feel it, but then I'm like Superman, man.

918
00:37:49,860 --> 00:37:50,700
Yeah, I know.

919
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:52,260
I mean, it's different when we're younger, man.

920
00:37:52,260 --> 00:37:53,300
Before when I was younger,

921
00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:56,420
I could do Bee Gees in falsetto, sure.

922
00:37:56,420 --> 00:38:00,860
But effortlessly, I didn't really have to even try.

923
00:38:00,860 --> 00:38:03,020
I can't do it anymore.

924
00:38:03,020 --> 00:38:04,420
So I'll always remember this,

925
00:38:04,420 --> 00:38:06,380
that, you know, look at Elton John.

926
00:38:06,380 --> 00:38:08,780
When he was, you know, when he had,

927
00:38:08,780 --> 00:38:11,620
when he had, in the early years,

928
00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:13,460
he had Yellow Big Road, song like Yellow Big Road,

929
00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:14,300
Goodbye Yellow Big Road.

930
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:16,740
Yeah, songs like Rocket Man, right?

931
00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:19,340
But you listen to him in recent years,

932
00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:22,620
his tone has completely changed.

933
00:38:22,620 --> 00:38:24,900
We change as we age, for sure.

934
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:26,380
Vocal strands all start to change,

935
00:38:26,380 --> 00:38:29,060
it all depends on how much we've been bashing it.

936
00:38:29,060 --> 00:38:30,900
I've also noticed, I will not mention names

937
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:32,100
out of respect for them,

938
00:38:33,380 --> 00:38:37,700
singers, you know, that have really live wires on stage

939
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:39,380
for years and years and years.

940
00:38:39,380 --> 00:38:43,060
And as the years go by, it's just gone.

941
00:38:43,060 --> 00:38:45,460
Yeah, the technique is very important.

942
00:38:45,460 --> 00:38:46,780
But unfortunately though,

943
00:38:46,780 --> 00:38:48,300
unfortunately people in the past,

944
00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:51,780
they don't really go for like music lessons or,

945
00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:53,100
you know, like for example, me,

946
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:55,220
a lot of people ask me, so where do you learn how to sing?

947
00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:58,820
I didn't, I couldn't afford to go for classes

948
00:38:58,820 --> 00:39:01,300
because I was, you know, helping my family out.

949
00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:05,380
So I think the lucky thing about me is when,

950
00:39:05,380 --> 00:39:07,980
for example, when I sing and if it hurts,

951
00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:11,260
I'll immediately try to find a way to sing

952
00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:12,260
in a way where it doesn't hurt.

953
00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:14,700
So I'll try to find like a way

954
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:15,940
where I could sing without hurting.

955
00:39:15,940 --> 00:39:18,620
And then years later, when I met a friend of mine

956
00:39:18,620 --> 00:39:22,380
who teaches singing for a living,

957
00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:23,660
she's like, wow, you've got good technique.

958
00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:24,700
I'm like, oh really?

959
00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:26,460
Because I didn't go for school.

960
00:39:26,460 --> 00:39:27,860
So I guess it was just luck.

961
00:39:27,860 --> 00:39:30,180
So some people's like, you know it hurts,

962
00:39:30,180 --> 00:39:31,940
but because you know it's what you need to do,

963
00:39:31,940 --> 00:39:34,420
so you just go through it and just force it.

964
00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:37,260
So I think that's where some singers as they grow older,

965
00:39:37,260 --> 00:39:39,780
it's like you damage your vocal cords.

966
00:39:39,780 --> 00:39:41,980
But for me, I think even though I'm past my 40s,

967
00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:44,340
I could, to be honest, I could,

968
00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:48,180
I think I can sing effortlessly now

969
00:39:48,180 --> 00:39:50,540
at some of the high range than I was when I was younger.

970
00:39:50,540 --> 00:39:54,780
I think it's a development how I do things,

971
00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:56,140
which is very different.

972
00:39:56,140 --> 00:39:57,500
So now I could sing the high notes

973
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,580
without feeling any strain at all.

974
00:39:59,580 --> 00:40:04,580
So what I'm trying to say is, yes, some people do change,

975
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:07,060
their voices change as they grow older,

976
00:40:07,060 --> 00:40:09,300
but I think if you do know your technique,

977
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:12,220
for me I'm lucky, but if someone really learns a technique,

978
00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:14,380
I think you could still go beyond 50

979
00:40:14,380 --> 00:40:19,380
and yet still maintain that range if the technique is right.

980
00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:20,780
I'll tell you a funny story.

981
00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:25,780
About three weeks ago, I hardly go on stage these days.

982
00:40:26,820 --> 00:40:28,620
But when I do is because I want to,

983
00:40:29,620 --> 00:40:31,580
and of course if they can pay me.

984
00:40:31,580 --> 00:40:33,900
But I hardly go on stage.

985
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:37,300
I'm in a private show circuit, right, in private gigs

986
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:41,500
and stuff, so this was a kind of big show, you know,

987
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:46,700
and I was sweating buckets over it, man.

988
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:47,780
Nervous?

989
00:40:47,780 --> 00:40:51,460
Well, nervous not because I'm not having stage nerves.

990
00:40:51,460 --> 00:40:54,740
Worried because I have this very bad sinus

991
00:40:54,740 --> 00:40:58,100
that is a back drip sinus, and I'm also having,

992
00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:01,900
I always have bad reflux as well, so it burns my throat.

993
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:05,060
And I've been fighting that shit for a while,

994
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:07,500
and then I had to go on stage and I had to sing.

995
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:12,420
So I had prepped about seven songs,

996
00:41:12,420 --> 00:41:14,820
but in the end I ended up doing three,

997
00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:17,980
because on that day I knew I couldn't hold it.

998
00:41:17,980 --> 00:41:18,820
Oh my.

999
00:41:18,820 --> 00:41:20,900
Yeah, it went well, it went well.

1000
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:22,580
It was very, very well received.

1001
00:41:22,580 --> 00:41:25,900
It's hardly getting me on stage to perform and sing anymore.

1002
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:27,820
But I hosted and sang.

1003
00:41:27,820 --> 00:41:28,660
Yeah.

1004
00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:32,300
So, you know, and it's something that I find

1005
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:35,460
kind of terrifying because as we age

1006
00:41:35,460 --> 00:41:37,940
and we lose that one thing we love,

1007
00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:39,620
oh, it's painful, man.

1008
00:41:39,620 --> 00:41:41,380
Now watch yourself, you gotta look after yourself.

1009
00:41:41,380 --> 00:41:42,220
Definitely.

1010
00:41:42,220 --> 00:41:43,060
Yeah.

1011
00:41:43,060 --> 00:41:45,540
Is there a future for musicians in Singapore?

1012
00:41:45,540 --> 00:41:47,340
What do you think for the young people

1013
00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:48,740
who have a passion for music?

1014
00:41:48,740 --> 00:41:50,140
What do you think?

1015
00:41:50,140 --> 00:41:52,940
Well, this question has been around for a long time.

1016
00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:54,420
Okay, I'm asking boring questions,

1017
00:41:54,420 --> 00:41:55,980
but I'm gonna ask it anyway.

1018
00:41:55,980 --> 00:42:00,980
It's a very good question, but I'll be very honest.

1019
00:42:01,740 --> 00:42:02,580
Please do.

1020
00:42:02,580 --> 00:42:03,420
I'll be very honest.

1021
00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:04,260
Please do.

1022
00:42:07,540 --> 00:42:09,700
To put this in the nicest way.

1023
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:11,580
Don't have to be nice, just go for it.

1024
00:42:12,580 --> 00:42:13,500
Fuck that, go for it.

1025
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:18,500
The thing is, to me, in my opinion, in my honest opinion,

1026
00:42:20,060 --> 00:42:22,820
in any field, you can make it.

1027
00:42:22,820 --> 00:42:24,980
You can make any field work for you,

1028
00:42:24,980 --> 00:42:28,820
but whether you are meant for the field.

1029
00:42:28,820 --> 00:42:29,900
Right.

1030
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:31,580
A lot of people ask the question,

1031
00:42:31,580 --> 00:42:33,940
can you make it in music?

1032
00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:38,100
But I think the right question to ask is,

1033
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:40,300
are you made for music?

1034
00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:43,740
Because first and foremost, you need to have it.

1035
00:42:43,740 --> 00:42:47,300
Secondly, you need to have that hard work.

1036
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:51,140
So if you have all these things and you have something,

1037
00:42:51,140 --> 00:42:52,780
you have the talent for it,

1038
00:42:52,780 --> 00:42:55,860
you might be able to do it.

1039
00:42:55,860 --> 00:42:57,740
Like for example, when I started music,

1040
00:42:57,740 --> 00:42:59,460
a lot of people say you can't, it's hard.

1041
00:42:59,460 --> 00:43:01,820
My mom worried.

1042
00:43:01,820 --> 00:43:02,660
Get a proper job.

1043
00:43:02,660 --> 00:43:04,020
Yeah, yeah.

1044
00:43:04,020 --> 00:43:06,380
But my dad was like, do what you want.

1045
00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:07,220
Wow.

1046
00:43:07,220 --> 00:43:08,060
Yeah, you do what you want.

1047
00:43:08,060 --> 00:43:10,100
He's never ever told me to,

1048
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:11,660
even if I had bad grades in school,

1049
00:43:11,660 --> 00:43:14,660
he'll just, all right, you don't like to study?

1050
00:43:14,660 --> 00:43:17,900
Okay, whatever you do in life, the consequence you face.

1051
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:19,780
Coming from a guy that would say,

1052
00:43:19,780 --> 00:43:21,020
smack him across the back of his head,

1053
00:43:21,020 --> 00:43:22,900
his temper goes away, I mean, that's pretty cool, right?

1054
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:27,220
Yeah, yeah, like he's like, he's my biggest fan,

1055
00:43:30,060 --> 00:43:32,260
and yet he's like cool about it.

1056
00:43:32,260 --> 00:43:33,580
He doesn't go to any of my shows.

1057
00:43:33,580 --> 00:43:34,420
Oh, that's awesome.

1058
00:43:34,420 --> 00:43:36,940
He just, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah,

1059
00:43:36,940 --> 00:43:37,780
I call him bapak.

1060
00:43:37,780 --> 00:43:39,380
Bapak, ah, I did it.

1061
00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:41,060
Very good, son, very good.

1062
00:43:41,060 --> 00:43:41,980
You enjoy yourself?

1063
00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:42,980
Yes, yes, bapak, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah,

1064
00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:43,900
all right, very good.

1065
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:45,380
That's all, as long as you're happy.

1066
00:43:45,380 --> 00:43:46,740
You do whatever you want.

1067
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:48,700
Just one thing, okay?

1068
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:50,380
Don't ever disrespect your mom.

1069
00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:51,300
And that's it.

1070
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:53,500
Everything else is like, I can do whatever I want.

1071
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:54,340
You know?

1072
00:43:54,340 --> 00:43:57,540
But, yeah, so, so, so it's like, when I,

1073
00:43:57,540 --> 00:44:01,100
when I choose music, my mom was a bit,

1074
00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:04,980
bang, sure not, because she, she was from Malaysia.

1075
00:44:04,980 --> 00:44:05,820
Right.

1076
00:44:05,820 --> 00:44:06,860
She wasn't doing well.

1077
00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:09,540
Her family wasn't well to do.

1078
00:44:09,540 --> 00:44:10,380
Right.

1079
00:44:10,380 --> 00:44:12,180
She had to quit university,

1080
00:44:12,180 --> 00:44:14,980
because her parents were not able to pay for it.

1081
00:44:14,980 --> 00:44:15,820
Okay.

1082
00:44:15,820 --> 00:44:16,640
So she worked at the field.

1083
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,480
Okay.

1084
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,660
All right, so when she didn't, because she was smart,

1085
00:44:19,660 --> 00:44:22,420
I think if they had, they had,

1086
00:44:22,420 --> 00:44:24,180
if they had the money to, you know,

1087
00:44:24,180 --> 00:44:27,020
to let her finish her university,

1088
00:44:27,020 --> 00:44:28,660
she would have passed with flying colors.

1089
00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:29,500
Right.

1090
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:30,320
That's how smart my mom was.

1091
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,160
Right.

1092
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,020
But because she couldn't, she's now

1093
00:44:33,020 --> 00:44:34,460
putting her hopes on her kids.

1094
00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:35,300
Right.

1095
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:36,300
To get a degree.

1096
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:37,140
Yeah.

1097
00:44:37,140 --> 00:44:37,960
Because she couldn't do it.

1098
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:38,800
Yeah.

1099
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,340
So I have a younger sister and a younger brother.

1100
00:44:40,340 --> 00:44:41,180
Yeah.

1101
00:44:41,180 --> 00:44:43,820
So it's like, and I was the, and I am the eldest.

1102
00:44:43,820 --> 00:44:44,660
Right.

1103
00:44:44,660 --> 00:44:45,500
So she put hopes on me, right?

1104
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:46,540
Right.

1105
00:44:46,540 --> 00:44:48,540
But I didn't like to study.

1106
00:44:48,540 --> 00:44:49,540
I hated to study.

1107
00:44:49,540 --> 00:44:50,660
I hated school.

1108
00:44:50,660 --> 00:44:54,420
So I went to ITE simply because she still wanted me

1109
00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:55,260
to study.

1110
00:44:55,260 --> 00:44:56,100
Okay.

1111
00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:57,300
So that was how much she wanted me to.

1112
00:44:57,300 --> 00:44:59,460
So when I told her I want to go to singing,

1113
00:44:59,460 --> 00:45:00,300
she was kind of worried.

1114
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:05,300
But when I was performing on TV with Just B and all that,

1115
00:45:05,740 --> 00:45:08,640
and then after that, all her cousins and whatever,

1116
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,820
so she was like, slowly she's like,

1117
00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:12,500
oh, maybe my son does have something.

1118
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:13,340
You know?

1119
00:45:13,340 --> 00:45:16,620
So it's like, so it's like, I kind of proved to her

1120
00:45:16,620 --> 00:45:19,580
that I have something special.

1121
00:45:19,580 --> 00:45:20,420
Right.

1122
00:45:20,420 --> 00:45:22,020
And it's helping.

1123
00:45:22,020 --> 00:45:22,860
Right.

1124
00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:24,380
So after a while she got used to it

1125
00:45:24,380 --> 00:45:26,420
and now she's very proud of me.

1126
00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:28,500
But back to your question.

1127
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:29,340
Yeah.

1128
00:45:29,340 --> 00:45:30,700
Can you make it in music?

1129
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:32,060
Yeah.

1130
00:45:32,060 --> 00:45:35,260
Honest, you can, but you need to have something.

1131
00:45:35,260 --> 00:45:36,100
Yeah.

1132
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:37,780
And you need to have, first you need to have the discipline

1133
00:45:37,780 --> 00:45:38,700
and you need to have something.

1134
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:40,140
For example, what I mean something, something.

1135
00:45:40,140 --> 00:45:40,980
X-Factor.

1136
00:45:40,980 --> 00:45:41,800
X-Factor.

1137
00:45:43,220 --> 00:45:46,140
If you don't have it, maybe you can't,

1138
00:45:46,140 --> 00:45:48,260
as with any other fields, you can't make it

1139
00:45:48,260 --> 00:45:49,380
because no matter how hard you work,

1140
00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:51,500
but if you don't have it, you can't.

1141
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:55,260
So I would say you can make it music,

1142
00:45:55,260 --> 00:45:57,260
but you need to work really hard

1143
00:45:57,260 --> 00:45:59,220
and you need to be very honest with yourself.

1144
00:45:59,220 --> 00:46:01,220
Do you think you have an X-Factor

1145
00:46:01,220 --> 00:46:03,660
or do you think you can, you can-

1146
00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:04,500
Grow one.

1147
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:06,180
Grow one, exactly.

1148
00:46:06,180 --> 00:46:08,060
Because if you don't, you can't.

1149
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:08,900
You know?

1150
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:11,820
If like, I'm not trying to brag here,

1151
00:46:11,820 --> 00:46:14,700
but my experience, this is real life experiences.

1152
00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:17,380
I've been singing since 2000.

1153
00:46:17,380 --> 00:46:19,620
I started night music really late.

1154
00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:24,540
I was doing acapella with Jazz B and while I was,

1155
00:46:24,540 --> 00:46:27,700
I was working as a bartender and I saw this duo

1156
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:31,660
in a club called Vogue at, I think it was,

1157
00:46:31,660 --> 00:46:32,820
it was just in front of

1158
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:36,940
Ministry of Sound, Ministry of Music.

1159
00:46:36,940 --> 00:46:37,780
MOS, okay.

1160
00:46:37,780 --> 00:46:38,620
Central Mall.

1161
00:46:38,620 --> 00:46:39,460
Okay.

1162
00:46:39,460 --> 00:46:41,740
Yeah, so I worked as a bartender

1163
00:46:41,740 --> 00:46:43,940
and then I saw this duo from the Philippines

1164
00:46:43,940 --> 00:46:46,340
and they just sat there and just sang three sets, right?

1165
00:46:46,340 --> 00:46:47,180
Right.

1166
00:46:47,180 --> 00:46:49,420
And then I was like, I just asked the manager,

1167
00:46:49,420 --> 00:46:51,700
hey, how much are they getting paid for like two sets

1168
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:53,020
like that, they just sit down and break time,

1169
00:46:53,020 --> 00:46:55,260
get smoke, chill and go up there, sing again, like,

1170
00:46:55,260 --> 00:46:56,620
what, $50 per night?

1171
00:46:56,620 --> 00:46:58,340
Oh, they got $150.

1172
00:46:58,340 --> 00:46:59,460
$150 for the both of them?

1173
00:46:59,460 --> 00:47:00,300
No, each.

1174
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:01,140
What?

1175
00:47:01,140 --> 00:47:03,260
Like, $150, to me that was a lot.

1176
00:47:03,260 --> 00:47:04,100
Right.

1177
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:06,340
Because I was earning about $8, $9 an hour.

1178
00:47:06,340 --> 00:47:07,180
Right.

1179
00:47:07,180 --> 00:47:08,940
So even if I work 10 hours, I only get $90, right?

1180
00:47:08,940 --> 00:47:09,780
Yeah.

1181
00:47:09,780 --> 00:47:10,900
They're just there for like, what, three sets of 45?

1182
00:47:10,900 --> 00:47:11,740
Three sets, yeah.

1183
00:47:11,740 --> 00:47:14,180
And I'm like, wow, that's a lot of money.

1184
00:47:14,180 --> 00:47:16,300
So that was when I was 16.

1185
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:18,140
That was 17, I was working there illegally

1186
00:47:18,140 --> 00:47:20,580
because I was supposed to be 18, right?

1187
00:47:20,580 --> 00:47:21,420
Yeah.

1188
00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:25,020
So yeah, so from 18, I've always had this in my mind,

1189
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:26,380
I want to be a night musician.

1190
00:47:26,380 --> 00:47:27,220
Right.

1191
00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:31,420
But for some reason, I had no friends that was in the scene.

1192
00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:32,260
Right.

1193
00:47:32,260 --> 00:47:33,900
So it was hard for me to break through it.

1194
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:34,980
I've always wanted to be one,

1195
00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:39,980
but it took me from 18 until I'm 27, 10 years, 28,

1196
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:44,980
then I met someone who's singing in the night circuit.

1197
00:47:44,980 --> 00:47:46,580
I'm like, can you help me?

1198
00:47:46,580 --> 00:47:49,460
I've always wanted to be in the night circuit.

1199
00:47:49,460 --> 00:47:52,820
Okay, you come follow me, I'll teach you.

1200
00:47:52,820 --> 00:47:56,340
And I have to say props to somebody by the name of Nana.

1201
00:47:56,340 --> 00:47:57,180
Okay.

1202
00:47:57,180 --> 00:47:58,020
Oh.

1203
00:47:58,020 --> 00:47:58,860
Nana Cantik.

1204
00:47:58,860 --> 00:47:59,820
There's a few Nana's.

1205
00:47:59,820 --> 00:48:01,100
Nana Karya, Nana Cantik.

1206
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:02,420
Oh, it's not Nana Karya, okay.

1207
00:48:02,420 --> 00:48:04,460
So it's not Nana Karya.

1208
00:48:04,460 --> 00:48:06,140
They call her Nana Cantik.

1209
00:48:06,140 --> 00:48:11,140
So she, we were, Just B was doing a TV show,

1210
00:48:11,580 --> 00:48:14,500
and she was one of, the TV show is basically,

1211
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:19,500
I love their concept, they highlighted all the musicians

1212
00:48:19,940 --> 00:48:23,220
like who are not popular, who's not in mainstream,

1213
00:48:23,220 --> 00:48:25,620
but they want to show that this are what we do.

1214
00:48:25,620 --> 00:48:26,900
So one of them was a night singer.

1215
00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:28,380
So I talked to her, blah, blah, blah.

1216
00:48:28,380 --> 00:48:29,380
So she helped me out.

1217
00:48:29,380 --> 00:48:33,620
So from, I think I was 28, 27, 28, that's when I started.

1218
00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:35,780
So I started really late.

1219
00:48:35,780 --> 00:48:36,620
Okay.

1220
00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:38,940
But I created, I think I created waves when I started,

1221
00:48:38,940 --> 00:48:42,540
because when I joined Raw Energy, my first ever band,

1222
00:48:42,540 --> 00:48:45,700
suddenly when I go around, hi, Afuan.

1223
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:48,980
Oh, you Afuan, Afuan Raw Energy.

1224
00:48:48,980 --> 00:48:50,140
Like, wow, okay.

1225
00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:52,580
Like my name was moving around.

1226
00:48:52,580 --> 00:48:54,620
How did you get into Raw Energy?

1227
00:48:54,620 --> 00:48:56,300
Okay, wow.

1228
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:59,380
Nana introduced me to Rosalina.

1229
00:48:59,380 --> 00:49:00,220
Okay.

1230
00:49:00,220 --> 00:49:02,660
Rosalina, which is the Danduk Queen of Singapore.

1231
00:49:02,660 --> 00:49:03,500
Okay.

1232
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:05,460
She was then singing at Orchard Towers.

1233
00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:09,780
So when I, she, when Nana introduced me to her,

1234
00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:12,140
she asked me if I could sub for her band,

1235
00:49:12,140 --> 00:49:15,460
which was called Skin Puppets at Ipanema,

1236
00:49:15,460 --> 00:49:18,380
for her singer who's going to Rezervist for two weeks.

1237
00:49:18,380 --> 00:49:19,220
I went there.

1238
00:49:20,060 --> 00:49:21,500
I was supposed to sing for two weeks.

1239
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:23,340
After two days, Rosalina came to me,

1240
00:49:23,340 --> 00:49:25,180
I'm sorry Afuan, this is your money for two days.

1241
00:49:25,180 --> 00:49:26,620
You don't have to come already.

1242
00:49:26,620 --> 00:49:28,820
My bossy, you got no X-Factor, you very fat.

1243
00:49:30,340 --> 00:49:34,020
Back then I was 127 kg, no chin, nothing.

1244
00:49:34,020 --> 00:49:36,740
So she was like, yeah, here's your money for two days.

1245
00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:37,940
Don't come anymore, sorry.

1246
00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:38,820
I know you can sing very well,

1247
00:49:38,820 --> 00:49:40,780
but my bossy, you got no X-Factor, you very fat.

1248
00:49:40,780 --> 00:49:41,900
So I'm like, okay.

1249
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:45,300
So I took that as another form of motivation.

1250
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:46,140
Okay.

1251
00:49:46,140 --> 00:49:47,940
So from there, Rosalina felt so bad,

1252
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:50,020
she introduced me to Saad.

1253
00:49:50,020 --> 00:49:50,860
Right.

1254
00:49:50,860 --> 00:49:51,700
From Raw Energy.

1255
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:52,520
Okay.

1256
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,360
So that's how.

1257
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,140
So Saad called me, hello Afuan.

1258
00:49:55,140 --> 00:49:57,340
Hey, call Afuan, call Afuan.

1259
00:49:57,340 --> 00:49:59,780
This is Saad, Saad from Raw Energy.

1260
00:49:59,780 --> 00:50:01,220
I got your number from Rosalina.

1261
00:50:01,220 --> 00:50:02,340
You can sing for my band.

1262
00:50:02,340 --> 00:50:04,980
Okay, you audition for me at China Jump.

1263
00:50:04,980 --> 00:50:07,620
So I went there and then I audition and then I got it.

1264
00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:10,540
So that was then after I played with them for a year.

1265
00:50:10,540 --> 00:50:11,380
Right.

1266
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:12,380
For a year plus.

1267
00:50:12,380 --> 00:50:14,140
So that's my first band.

1268
00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:17,300
So that's how I got to play with Raw Energy.

1269
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:18,460
Right, okay.

1270
00:50:18,460 --> 00:50:19,300
Yeah.

1271
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:21,300
Wow, wow, wow, wee.

1272
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:23,900
What do you think is missing in the music business?

1273
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:26,220
Oh, give me a wish list, man.

1274
00:50:26,220 --> 00:50:28,660
What do you wish the music business in Singapore to be?

1275
00:50:28,660 --> 00:50:30,400
Like we talked about something innate.

1276
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,700
We talked about people.

1277
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:35,140
I asked you a question about whether the young musicians

1278
00:50:35,140 --> 00:50:36,580
today will have a future.

1279
00:50:36,580 --> 00:50:38,580
You talked about something more innate,

1280
00:50:38,580 --> 00:50:41,460
whether you have the axe factor or not.

1281
00:50:41,460 --> 00:50:46,460
But right now, something more extenuating, more external.

1282
00:50:46,660 --> 00:50:47,500
Yeah.

1283
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:50,900
What is your wish list for the music business in Singapore

1284
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:53,860
for musicians that would impact musicians?

1285
00:50:53,860 --> 00:50:57,340
That's a very good question, but to be very precise,

1286
00:50:57,340 --> 00:50:58,860
are you talking about night music

1287
00:50:58,860 --> 00:51:01,100
or are you talking about original music being an artist?

1288
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:02,980
Like the Sam Willows, Benjamin King,

1289
00:51:02,980 --> 00:51:04,340
or more towards the night?

1290
00:51:04,340 --> 00:51:05,820
Let's talk about the night music first

1291
00:51:05,820 --> 00:51:09,580
because it would be a walk to the recording room.

1292
00:51:09,580 --> 00:51:11,420
Yeah, to the artists, recording artists.

1293
00:51:11,420 --> 00:51:13,140
Night, okay.

1294
00:51:14,220 --> 00:51:15,420
How do I put this?

1295
00:51:15,420 --> 00:51:17,220
Okay, if you want to sing at night,

1296
00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:21,140
you have to put a lot of things aside.

1297
00:51:21,140 --> 00:51:22,420
You have to be professional.

1298
00:51:22,420 --> 00:51:25,020
Like for example, I believe this is what I would do

1299
00:51:25,020 --> 00:51:26,480
and what I've been doing.

1300
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:27,740
There are a lot of songs that, for example,

1301
00:51:27,740 --> 00:51:29,020
there's a lot of songs that you're gonna be singing

1302
00:51:29,020 --> 00:51:30,220
every single day.

1303
00:51:30,220 --> 00:51:32,020
For example, there'll be one song

1304
00:51:32,020 --> 00:51:33,300
that you'll be singing every day

1305
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:34,780
for the next 10 or 20 years.

1306
00:51:35,980 --> 00:51:36,820
Evergreen songs.

1307
00:51:36,820 --> 00:51:38,300
Why am I highlighting this?

1308
00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:40,300
It's because this is where your professionalism

1309
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:41,540
will come into play.

1310
00:51:41,540 --> 00:51:42,580
If you're gonna be someone that,

1311
00:51:42,580 --> 00:51:44,580
I'm not gonna play this song anymore because I hate it.

1312
00:51:44,580 --> 00:51:46,380
Because at the end of the day, it's not about you.

1313
00:51:46,380 --> 00:51:47,220
You gotta give the people what they want.

1314
00:51:47,220 --> 00:51:48,580
It's about the people what they want.

1315
00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:50,740
At the end of the day, they are your paymasters

1316
00:51:50,740 --> 00:51:53,620
and this is for those who have chosen to sing at night.

1317
00:51:53,620 --> 00:51:55,500
So these are one of the things that you need to ask yourself.

1318
00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:57,100
If you wanna go into that, can you do this?

1319
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:57,940
That's one.

1320
00:51:57,940 --> 00:52:00,060
To me, that's one of the most important things.

1321
00:52:00,060 --> 00:52:04,660
Secondly, you have to have, if you're gonna be a singer,

1322
00:52:04,660 --> 00:52:06,380
if you're gonna be a musician,

1323
00:52:06,380 --> 00:52:08,820
can you play the same riff, the same solo?

1324
00:52:08,820 --> 00:52:13,180
Can you sing the same way from A to Z all the way and not?

1325
00:52:13,180 --> 00:52:15,300
Because some people just can't.

1326
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:18,380
They can't sing the same thing from A to Z.

1327
00:52:18,380 --> 00:52:19,780
They'll try to change it.

1328
00:52:19,780 --> 00:52:21,500
Be like, come on guys, let's jazz it up.

1329
00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:22,820
Or let's change it.

1330
00:52:22,820 --> 00:52:24,500
I mean, it's okay to do it once in a while,

1331
00:52:24,500 --> 00:52:27,740
but there's some songs that you just can't change.

1332
00:52:27,740 --> 00:52:30,540
Because people identify with the song in order for-

1333
00:52:30,540 --> 00:52:32,460
Without re-orchestration and rearrangement.

1334
00:52:32,460 --> 00:52:33,580
Because they need to dance with it,

1335
00:52:33,580 --> 00:52:34,900
they need to sing along with it.

1336
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:36,980
But if you change it, you might feel good about yourself.

1337
00:52:36,980 --> 00:52:37,820
But what about them?

1338
00:52:37,820 --> 00:52:40,340
They'll be like, that's not how it's supposed to be.

1339
00:52:40,340 --> 00:52:42,540
So even then, give the people what they want.

1340
00:52:42,540 --> 00:52:45,780
Yeah, so at the end of the day, that's one.

1341
00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:47,020
Can you have that responsibility?

1342
00:52:47,020 --> 00:52:49,380
Because I think there's always this debate

1343
00:52:49,380 --> 00:52:51,540
or there's always this talk about,

1344
00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:53,500
if you're a night musician, you're not really a musician,

1345
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:55,420
you're not really an artist.

1346
00:52:55,420 --> 00:52:59,660
There are some people who don't sing nights,

1347
00:52:59,660 --> 00:53:02,140
they do, this is what I've been hearing.

1348
00:53:02,140 --> 00:53:03,700
I'm not sure if it's true or how true it is,

1349
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:06,060
but I think it should be true.

1350
00:53:06,060 --> 00:53:08,100
I'm like, oh, I wanna be an artist.

1351
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:09,060
I don't wanna be a night musician.

1352
00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:12,300
A night musician is something that's looked down upon.

1353
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:13,900
It's like same shit every day.

1354
00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:15,860
So I wanna do an artist, I wanna do me.

1355
00:53:16,820 --> 00:53:19,020
So I think first things first,

1356
00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:23,060
you need to identify what kind of musician you wanna be.

1357
00:53:23,060 --> 00:53:26,980
What kind of line you wanna, what kind of path

1358
00:53:26,980 --> 00:53:28,340
you wanna follow.

1359
00:53:28,340 --> 00:53:31,620
So once you've made that decision to be a night musician,

1360
00:53:31,620 --> 00:53:34,340
you need to have a lot of patience.

1361
00:53:34,340 --> 00:53:36,180
Professionalism has to be there.

1362
00:53:37,420 --> 00:53:42,420
And I guess you have to have a clear direction

1363
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:44,100
where you want your band to go.

1364
00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:47,180
Cause I think some bands, they just wanna play at night.

1365
00:53:47,180 --> 00:53:48,660
And once they play at night, oh, okay,

1366
00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:51,140
let's just play every single day, get money,

1367
00:53:51,140 --> 00:53:52,860
go home and relax.

1368
00:53:52,860 --> 00:53:55,820
But that's why I think I'm a bit different

1369
00:53:55,820 --> 00:53:58,220
cause even though I'm playing at night,

1370
00:53:58,220 --> 00:54:00,940
I want people to know who we are.

1371
00:54:00,940 --> 00:54:03,940
I want people to stand up and take notice.

1372
00:54:03,940 --> 00:54:07,380
Shit, when this band comes up, it's all about energy.

1373
00:54:07,380 --> 00:54:09,780
It's all about, not just about them.

1374
00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:12,460
I go down to the crowd, give them fist bumps,

1375
00:54:12,460 --> 00:54:14,860
get them to sing along, get them up on stage.

1376
00:54:14,860 --> 00:54:16,340
I make it something that-

1377
00:54:17,740 --> 00:54:18,780
They can be a part of.

1378
00:54:18,780 --> 00:54:20,460
They can be a part of and something

1379
00:54:20,460 --> 00:54:22,660
that they can take away, you know?

1380
00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:23,500
So-

1381
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:26,420
You know, you rattled my foundation a little bit.

1382
00:54:26,420 --> 00:54:27,860
When you actually asked me,

1383
00:54:27,860 --> 00:54:29,780
which one are you referring to, Chris?

1384
00:54:29,780 --> 00:54:32,860
Night, the night music guys or those in the recording

1385
00:54:32,860 --> 00:54:34,780
studios, the recording artists.

1386
00:54:34,780 --> 00:54:37,420
You know why I felt a little rattled?

1387
00:54:37,420 --> 00:54:41,980
I felt rattled simply because I'm used to the old days

1388
00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:47,260
when the people who played at night were invited

1389
00:54:47,260 --> 00:54:49,700
to perform on TV.

1390
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:50,540
And they were-

1391
00:54:50,540 --> 00:54:51,380
Yes.

1392
00:54:51,380 --> 00:54:53,860
And then we had labels back then that looked

1393
00:54:53,860 --> 00:54:55,500
towards these guys.

1394
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:56,780
Labels like Polygram.

1395
00:54:56,780 --> 00:54:57,620
Yeah, yeah.

1396
00:54:57,620 --> 00:54:59,340
Labels like EMI, right?

1397
00:54:59,340 --> 00:55:03,780
And these guys come out there and they write original stuff

1398
00:55:03,780 --> 00:55:05,260
and they put it out.

1399
00:55:05,260 --> 00:55:07,980
And when you tell me that there is a differentiation

1400
00:55:07,980 --> 00:55:10,780
between the two and I go, this is so not that,

1401
00:55:10,780 --> 00:55:13,500
to me, it's not palatable.

1402
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:14,340
Yeah.

1403
00:55:14,340 --> 00:55:16,700
Because it's a rite of passage.

1404
00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:18,460
If you want to be a recording artist,

1405
00:55:18,460 --> 00:55:19,900
you got to do the night.

1406
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:20,860
That's just my take.

1407
00:55:20,860 --> 00:55:22,700
Don't call me a boomer, I don't give a flying fuck.

1408
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:26,500
But I would just think that, come on man, pay the price.

1409
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:27,500
Yep.

1410
00:55:27,500 --> 00:55:30,100
Learn how to give to people first.

1411
00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:31,420
And then when you give to people that,

1412
00:55:31,420 --> 00:55:33,940
you know what to write for the people.

1413
00:55:33,940 --> 00:55:35,100
In your original stuff.

1414
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:37,260
And then you can become whoever the fuck you want to be.

1415
00:55:37,260 --> 00:55:40,260
But you got to give it to the people first.

1416
00:55:40,260 --> 00:55:41,660
And that's all ego talking.

1417
00:55:41,660 --> 00:55:42,780
I totally agree.

1418
00:55:42,780 --> 00:55:44,340
I don't want to be night music.

1419
00:55:44,340 --> 00:55:47,140
I mean, get the fuck out of here, man.

1420
00:55:47,140 --> 00:55:48,700
I don't like that personally.

1421
00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:50,900
They rattled me a bit because,

1422
00:55:50,900 --> 00:55:53,260
is this really what it is about today?

1423
00:55:53,260 --> 00:55:54,860
No, you're a seasoned musician, right?

1424
00:55:54,860 --> 00:55:59,660
I mean, I believe that first of all,

1425
00:55:59,660 --> 00:56:02,060
I've said this to a few people on this series,

1426
00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:04,380
the tribute series to HD local musicians,

1427
00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:07,660
that I don't think our local businesses

1428
00:56:07,660 --> 00:56:12,660
are doing any much justice to both club DJs and musicians.

1429
00:56:13,380 --> 00:56:18,380
There's not this, there isn't this drive to get bands

1430
00:56:18,380 --> 00:56:22,060
and music out there anymore than the way it used to be

1431
00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:25,620
in the past with the likes of good people like Dennis Fu,

1432
00:56:25,620 --> 00:56:27,500
Europa, the Europa group.

1433
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:29,660
And I mean, that man, in my opinion,

1434
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:33,340
brought in music and made Singapore such a haven

1435
00:56:33,340 --> 00:56:34,900
for musicians and music.

1436
00:56:36,020 --> 00:56:36,940
We don't have that anymore.

1437
00:56:36,940 --> 00:56:37,860
That's my opinion.

1438
00:56:39,020 --> 00:56:42,540
Your season, your current in our scene,

1439
00:56:42,540 --> 00:56:44,620
is there any band you used to admire?

1440
00:56:44,620 --> 00:56:48,540
I mean, in Singapore is music history, any band.

1441
00:56:48,540 --> 00:56:51,020
Okay, before I answer that question,

1442
00:56:51,020 --> 00:56:52,300
this is something I need to-

1443
00:56:52,300 --> 00:56:54,620
Please, please, plug it in, plug it in.

1444
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:56,780
I totally agree with what you said.

1445
00:56:56,780 --> 00:56:57,620
Because I believe,

1446
00:56:57,620 --> 00:57:01,180
and I've seen some artists out there, original artists,

1447
00:57:01,180 --> 00:57:03,780
like you said, they have to go through the rite of passage.

1448
00:57:03,780 --> 00:57:06,260
You don't know how to give it to the people.

1449
00:57:06,260 --> 00:57:09,900
So many times I see when they perform, it feels so empty.

1450
00:57:09,900 --> 00:57:10,740
Yeah.

1451
00:57:10,740 --> 00:57:11,560
You know?

1452
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,400
Oh God, yeah.

1453
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,820
It's like so self-absorbed.

1454
00:57:14,820 --> 00:57:17,180
And it's like, is this it?

1455
00:57:17,180 --> 00:57:18,020
That's the word.

1456
00:57:18,020 --> 00:57:19,340
Thank you, self-absorbed.

1457
00:57:19,340 --> 00:57:21,020
Yes, like is this it?

1458
00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:25,580
But it's so sad that I don't know when this happened.

1459
00:57:25,580 --> 00:57:28,540
When did this separation begin?

1460
00:57:28,540 --> 00:57:30,340
I don't know how it happened, who started it,

1461
00:57:30,340 --> 00:57:32,300
or why this mentality is here now.

1462
00:57:33,180 --> 00:57:34,420
I won't say names.

1463
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,100
Over the past few years, there was one show we did.

1464
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:41,100
It was a neighborhood show, right?

1465
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:41,980
Right.

1466
00:57:41,980 --> 00:57:44,740
A neighborhood show for a local,

1467
00:57:44,740 --> 00:57:48,020
it's not even an event company or a corporate event.

1468
00:57:48,020 --> 00:57:49,260
It's for-

1469
00:57:49,260 --> 00:57:50,100
Community.

1470
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:51,180
It's for community, right?

1471
00:57:51,180 --> 00:57:52,020
Right.

1472
00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:52,860
So we performed.

1473
00:57:52,860 --> 00:57:53,680
Right.

1474
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:54,520
Everybody had a great time.

1475
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:55,360
Right.

1476
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:56,180
Everybody got up on their feet.

1477
00:57:56,180 --> 00:57:57,540
Everybody went crazy.

1478
00:57:57,540 --> 00:58:01,820
Even the MP, like saw me the day after

1479
00:58:01,820 --> 00:58:03,980
and said you guys were amazing, blah, blah, blah.

1480
00:58:03,980 --> 00:58:05,860
But guess what?

1481
00:58:05,860 --> 00:58:06,700
Right.

1482
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:10,340
On their Facebook page, somebody said,

1483
00:58:10,340 --> 00:58:13,980
why do we have these nightclub bands

1484
00:58:14,820 --> 00:58:17,320
playing for our show?

1485
00:58:18,260 --> 00:58:23,260
But if it was a Singapore idol or whatever,

1486
00:58:24,140 --> 00:58:25,900
just because they're on TV and they're artists.

1487
00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:26,740
Celebrities, yeah.

1488
00:58:26,740 --> 00:58:27,560
Celebrities, it's okay.

1489
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:28,900
But they called us-

1490
00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:29,740
Nightclub bands.

1491
00:58:29,740 --> 00:58:31,240
Nightclub bands.

1492
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,620
So I think this is where it's sad to say

1493
00:58:35,620 --> 00:58:37,860
people do think this way, like there's a separation.

1494
00:58:37,860 --> 00:58:39,300
No, for fuck's sake, you know,

1495
00:58:39,300 --> 00:58:41,100
to these people, I don't give a flying fuck.

1496
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:41,940
If you're watching my show,

1497
00:58:41,940 --> 00:58:44,220
you happen to be one of those assholes.

1498
00:58:44,220 --> 00:58:45,060
I just wanna tell you,

1499
00:58:45,060 --> 00:58:47,540
can you stop fucking stereotyping people?

1500
00:58:47,540 --> 00:58:48,380
Yeah.

1501
00:58:48,380 --> 00:58:49,140
People have got a living to do

1502
00:58:49,140 --> 00:58:50,980
and these people are talented.

1503
00:58:50,980 --> 00:58:54,000
You have no damn right to stereotype.

1504
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,060
Look at the fricking mirror first.

1505
00:58:56,060 --> 00:58:57,660
Oh, that makes me really angry.

1506
00:58:57,660 --> 00:58:58,700
Yeah.

1507
00:58:58,700 --> 00:59:02,580
But you know, when it comes to,

1508
00:59:02,580 --> 00:59:04,900
I asked you a question, who do you admire most?

1509
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:06,060
Just a quick answer.

1510
00:59:06,060 --> 00:59:07,140
Because I know we're running out of time,

1511
00:59:07,140 --> 00:59:11,700
but who do you admire in Singapore's music history?

1512
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:14,060
Wow, definitely Jav Talking.

1513
00:59:14,060 --> 00:59:15,300
Oh wow, Rafi.

1514
00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:16,140
Yeah.

1515
00:59:16,140 --> 00:59:16,960
Okay.

1516
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,540
Jav Talking, Shaggyz.

1517
00:59:18,540 --> 00:59:19,820
Shaggyz, okay.

1518
00:59:19,820 --> 00:59:21,540
Which is very sad, because I started late.

1519
00:59:21,540 --> 00:59:25,180
I wanted, when I heard all the stories about how Sayuti-

1520
00:59:25,180 --> 00:59:26,020
Sayuti, yeah.

1521
00:59:26,020 --> 00:59:27,800
I heard amazing stories about him,

1522
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,140
how he could control the crowd with the song choices.

1523
00:59:30,140 --> 00:59:31,900
He could literally just say, okay, watch this.

1524
00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:33,140
They're calling out to you, Sayuti.

1525
00:59:33,140 --> 00:59:34,580
Yeah, it's like I heard,

1526
00:59:34,580 --> 00:59:36,820
I couldn't witness it with my own eyes.

1527
00:59:36,820 --> 00:59:39,100
I heard he could do things like, okay,

1528
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:43,100
now you see all the Chinese, watch this, I'm gonna change.

1529
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:44,940
The demographic changed with the songs that he-

1530
00:59:44,940 --> 00:59:47,260
he could literally tell you, okay, next, after this,

1531
00:59:47,260 --> 00:59:48,100
Ang Mo.

1532
00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:50,540
He says, all the Chinese go, Ang Mo, come.

1533
00:59:50,540 --> 00:59:51,820
And it's still like packed, you know.

1534
00:59:51,820 --> 00:59:54,940
He could bring them in at a snap of his fingers

1535
00:59:54,940 --> 00:59:59,060
with the song choices and the way he so eloquently just-

1536
00:59:59,060 --> 01:00:01,140
He reads the crowd.

1537
01:00:01,140 --> 01:00:03,420
Yeah, I would love to see him in action, but this is-

1538
01:00:03,420 --> 01:00:07,700
Sorry, so Shaggy, Jeff talking, who else?

1539
01:00:07,700 --> 01:00:08,740
I think these are the ones.

1540
01:00:08,740 --> 01:00:09,580
These are the ones, okay.

1541
01:00:09,580 --> 01:00:11,780
I just wanna show you some, because we talked about,

1542
01:00:11,780 --> 01:00:14,540
we were talking about this, about which band you admire,

1543
01:00:14,540 --> 01:00:16,540
Singapore's music history.

1544
01:00:16,540 --> 01:00:20,100
We were talking about how much commitment you need to put in

1545
01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:22,740
into this business, and the craft.

1546
01:00:22,740 --> 01:00:25,540
And we were also talking about, you know,

1547
01:00:25,540 --> 01:00:27,300
I was saying way back when,

1548
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:29,820
if you're in the night business, you're a band, you're good.

1549
01:00:29,820 --> 01:00:32,020
You get on TV, might even get into, you know,

1550
01:00:32,020 --> 01:00:33,500
write an original number.

1551
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:35,460
I just wanna show something for you,

1552
01:00:35,460 --> 01:00:37,420
for all of yous at home.

1553
01:00:37,420 --> 01:00:39,340
Kai, can you put up that one, please?

1554
01:00:39,340 --> 01:00:41,420
My favorite people, you know, here we go.

1555
01:00:43,620 --> 01:00:47,460
["Wish Me a Merry Christmas"]

1556
01:00:47,460 --> 01:00:51,460
["Wish Me a Merry Christmas"]

1557
01:01:17,460 --> 01:01:22,060
["Wish Me a Merry Christmas"]

1558
01:01:47,460 --> 01:01:51,460
["Wish Me a Merry Christmas"]

1559
01:02:09,820 --> 01:02:11,740
Look at that, look at that, look at that.

1560
01:02:11,740 --> 01:02:15,660
So you can imagine, man, that was taken

1561
01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:18,820
at the old Paramount Hotel in 1984.

1562
01:02:18,820 --> 01:02:19,820
Why?

1563
01:02:19,820 --> 01:02:23,620
In 1984, very, very young, super talented.

1564
01:02:23,620 --> 01:02:28,420
I respected the Bits and Hussein, this can only be one.

1565
01:02:28,420 --> 01:02:30,380
And, you know, and the rest of the gingerbread band.

1566
01:02:30,380 --> 01:02:32,620
Moses was there, and...

1567
01:02:32,620 --> 01:02:33,620
Whoa, whoa!

1568
01:02:35,460 --> 01:02:36,300
Back by poppin' the band.

1569
01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:37,780
Didn't have enough, didn't have enough.

1570
01:02:37,780 --> 01:02:38,900
Ha ha ha ha.

1571
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:41,700
So anyway, so you know, so if you take a look at that,

1572
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:43,100
look at the energy there.

1573
01:02:43,100 --> 01:02:44,220
Yeah.

1574
01:02:44,220 --> 01:02:46,620
And that was how hard these people work.

1575
01:02:46,620 --> 01:02:47,460
Yep, yep.

1576
01:02:47,460 --> 01:02:51,220
Every song, every night, and I used to watch these guys.

1577
01:02:51,220 --> 01:02:53,020
They're not the only band that were doing that.

1578
01:02:53,020 --> 01:02:56,260
So many, there were so many, look at Douglas, Duggie.

1579
01:02:56,260 --> 01:02:59,180
Duggie with Culture Shock, you know, in early years.

1580
01:02:59,180 --> 01:03:01,940
That guy was super live wire, man.

1581
01:03:01,940 --> 01:03:06,820
You know, and I just, to me, we don't have,

1582
01:03:06,820 --> 01:03:09,820
well, there's you now, thank God for that.

1583
01:03:09,820 --> 01:03:12,460
And that's the reason why you are here.

1584
01:03:12,460 --> 01:03:13,300
Thank you.

1585
01:03:13,300 --> 01:03:16,540
Because I don't see anyone else doing this.

1586
01:03:16,540 --> 01:03:18,140
Because the rest are so fucking self-absorbed,

1587
01:03:18,140 --> 01:03:19,700
and you're right using that term.

1588
01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:21,740
And I don't know what to do with this shit.

1589
01:03:21,740 --> 01:03:23,500
I really, really don't.

1590
01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:25,460
So just before we say goodnight,

1591
01:03:27,620 --> 01:03:30,980
give a plug in about Supersonic Man.

1592
01:03:30,980 --> 01:03:31,940
Well, um.

1593
01:03:31,940 --> 01:03:33,340
Has it become a business?

1594
01:03:33,340 --> 01:03:36,300
Oh yes, um, you remember when you said,

1595
01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:37,700
take good care of yourself?

1596
01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:38,540
Yep.

1597
01:03:38,540 --> 01:03:43,100
Yeah, so I'm kinda at that part where I'm like thinking,

1598
01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:45,620
what if God decides to take my voice away,

1599
01:03:45,620 --> 01:03:46,460
or something happens?

1600
01:03:46,460 --> 01:03:47,820
So I've been doing things on the side.

1601
01:03:47,820 --> 01:03:50,780
So yeah, what I've been doing is,

1602
01:03:50,780 --> 01:03:53,260
I haven't even put it out there yet.

1603
01:03:53,260 --> 01:03:56,980
I'm doing things like sound equipment rental.

1604
01:03:58,060 --> 01:04:00,460
Yeah, and I'm trying to be an event.

1605
01:04:00,460 --> 01:04:01,300
Organizer?

1606
01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:02,120
Event organizer.

1607
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:02,960
Holy shit balls.

1608
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,780
Okay, maybe not to that extent.

1609
01:04:04,780 --> 01:04:09,220
Probably just, you know, audio equipment and stuff.

1610
01:04:09,220 --> 01:04:11,140
But yeah, so far so good.

1611
01:04:11,140 --> 01:04:13,380
And here's a plug in.

1612
01:04:13,380 --> 01:04:14,900
If you guys wanna know more,

1613
01:04:14,900 --> 01:04:16,500
you can log into our website.

1614
01:04:16,500 --> 01:04:20,780
That's www.supersonicsg.com.

1615
01:04:20,780 --> 01:04:25,020
And of course you guys can follow us on social media,

1616
01:04:25,020 --> 01:04:27,660
on Instagram, just look for supersonic SG,

1617
01:04:27,660 --> 01:04:31,380
and Facebook as well, that's supersonic SG one word.

1618
01:04:31,380 --> 01:04:33,940
And yeah, that's about it I guess.

1619
01:04:33,940 --> 01:04:36,580
Can we put up Supersonics logo please, Kai?

1620
01:04:36,580 --> 01:04:38,080
And the band picture.

1621
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:40,980
Hey?

1622
01:04:40,980 --> 01:04:42,580
I'm coming up.

1623
01:04:42,580 --> 01:04:43,420
You can't bring it up?

1624
01:04:43,420 --> 01:04:44,260
Yeah, it's all right.

1625
01:04:44,260 --> 01:04:45,380
Really?

1626
01:04:45,380 --> 01:04:46,220
Okay, okay, okay.

1627
01:04:46,220 --> 01:04:48,940
But once again, Chris, thanks for having me.

1628
01:04:48,940 --> 01:04:50,460
No, no, the pleasure's all mine, man.

1629
01:04:50,460 --> 01:04:52,700
Thank you for being here, man.

1630
01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:54,980
Really, really, I wish you and the band the best.

1631
01:04:54,980 --> 01:04:55,820
Thank you.

1632
01:04:55,820 --> 01:05:00,380
And I really hope that Danny, Danny Long of Timber Plus,

1633
01:05:00,380 --> 01:05:02,580
it can continue to really build upon

1634
01:05:02,580 --> 01:05:04,260
the music scene in Singapore.

1635
01:05:04,260 --> 01:05:06,540
I think we need it very, very badly.

1636
01:05:06,540 --> 01:05:09,340
And I think it's also a matter of how

1637
01:05:09,340 --> 01:05:12,620
we can educate people in our communities that hey,

1638
01:05:12,620 --> 01:05:15,020
musicians are really good people.

1639
01:05:15,020 --> 01:05:18,740
And they bring a lot of joy to our ears and our hearts, man.

1640
01:05:18,740 --> 01:05:22,100
I mean, we gotta do our part in doing that.

1641
01:05:22,100 --> 01:05:24,460
Anyway, everyone, thank you so very much.

1642
01:05:24,460 --> 01:05:27,300
I've had Afwan from Supersonic with me

1643
01:05:27,300 --> 01:05:32,300
for this episode of the CHC's tribute to SG's music icons.

1644
01:05:34,300 --> 01:05:38,020
And thank you for watching, and we are now probably

1645
01:05:38,020 --> 01:05:43,020
just a little bit past the half of the season for season two.

1646
01:05:43,260 --> 01:05:44,620
My time flies, huh?

1647
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:48,020
Make sure you come back and watch some more of our episodes.

1648
01:05:48,020 --> 01:05:49,380
We still have a few more to go,

1649
01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:51,620
and a few more interesting ones as well.

1650
01:05:51,620 --> 01:05:54,380
Interesting guests will be on my show.

1651
01:05:54,380 --> 01:05:59,380
Remember to please subscribe to CCB TV podcasts on YouTube

1652
01:06:00,420 --> 01:06:03,220
and catch more of the Chris Hansen conversation.

1653
01:06:03,220 --> 01:06:04,580
There we are also on Facebook.

1654
01:06:04,580 --> 01:06:07,380
Follow us there, CCB TV.

1655
01:06:07,380 --> 01:06:11,980
And on Instagram at CCB.TV underscore.

1656
01:06:11,980 --> 01:06:14,140
Comment please, even if you need to fuck me over,

1657
01:06:14,140 --> 01:06:16,660
please just go ahead and write everything you want to do.

1658
01:06:16,660 --> 01:06:19,540
Everything you want to to comment, please do so.

1659
01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:21,260
I look forward to it.

1660
01:06:21,260 --> 01:06:23,100
This is Chris Hansen together with Afwan.

1661
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:24,500
Thank you so very, very much.

1662
01:06:24,500 --> 01:06:28,060
I'll see you guys again soon and rock on.

1663
01:06:28,060 --> 01:06:40,540
sz

1664
01:06:40,540 --> 01:06:51,060
Sorry

1665
01:06:51,060 --> 01:06:52,060
I'm sorry

1666
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:57,060
Yes, my name is, no, my sign is, no, my number is, no

1667
01:06:57,060 --> 01:07:01,060
You need to let it go, you need to let it go, you need to let it go

1668
01:07:01,060 --> 01:07:04,060
Now to the house, to the road, let it go

1669
01:07:11,060 --> 01:07:14,060
Put your hands up, put your hands up

1670
01:07:14,060 --> 01:07:16,060
Jump, jump, jump

1671
01:07:16,060 --> 01:07:19,060
Let it go, let it go, let it go

1672
01:07:19,060 --> 01:07:22,060
Never repeat, don't you ever return

1673
01:07:22,060 --> 01:07:25,060
You can never have the love of your life

1674
01:07:25,060 --> 01:07:29,060
So I'm a black person, but I'm not a race

1675
01:07:29,060 --> 01:07:33,060
I just want you to love me, and then I'll be fine

1676
01:07:40,060 --> 01:07:43,060
It's fun to stay at the YMCA

1677
01:07:43,060 --> 01:07:47,060
It's fun to stay at the YMCA

1678
01:07:47,060 --> 01:07:54,060
Cause you like the way, you like the way, you like the way

1679
01:07:54,060 --> 01:08:16,060
I got all I need but I've got you alive

1680
01:08:16,060 --> 01:08:19,060
Will you always sing with me?

1681
01:08:19,060 --> 01:08:20,060
So ya

1682
01:08:20,060 --> 01:08:24,060
Oh yeah, oh yeah

1683
01:08:24,060 --> 01:08:28,060
Thank you so much

1684
01:08:28,060 --> 01:08:29,060
Here we go

1685
01:08:29,060 --> 01:08:34,060
Put your hands up, put your fucking hands up

1686
01:08:34,060 --> 01:08:37,060
Jump, jump, jump

1687
01:08:37,060 --> 01:08:41,060
Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go

1688
01:08:41,060 --> 01:08:45,060
Put your hands up, put your hands up

1689
01:08:45,060 --> 01:08:51,060
Jump, jump, jump

1690
01:08:55,060 --> 01:09:02,060
Lights will guide you home

1691
01:09:02,060 --> 01:09:08,060
Every night you're born

1692
01:09:08,060 --> 01:09:10,060
Thank you guys, thank you

1693
01:09:10,060 --> 01:09:13,060
And I will try

1694
01:09:13,060 --> 01:09:15,060
Let's go crazy

1695
01:09:43,060 --> 01:09:45,060
Thank you for watching!