WEBVTT 00:00:05.799 --> 00:00:11.060 Hello. Hi, Fox. Hi, Nova. Hey. We're back. Yeah. 00:00:11.300 --> 00:00:14.480 It's been a while. Oh, my gosh. Longer than normal. 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:20.219 Yes. So what had happened was normally you'd 00:00:20.219 --> 00:00:23.280 be hearing season three of Mindful Poly around 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:26.739 this time of year. Yeah. But some things happened 00:00:26.739 --> 00:00:30.859 last year that were exciting and pushed the schedule 00:00:30.859 --> 00:00:35.119 a little bit. Yeah. One of them being moving 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:37.659 houses. We're recording from a new space right 00:00:37.659 --> 00:00:40.340 now. And the other is putting on a conference, 00:00:40.579 --> 00:00:43.859 Midwest Love Fest. Woo! The first Midwest Love 00:00:43.859 --> 00:00:47.979 Fest was last August. Yeah. Okay, so. We are 00:00:47.979 --> 00:00:51.460 here to share a recent experience we had. We 00:00:51.460 --> 00:00:55.219 did go to Southwest Love Fest. Whoa. Which was 00:00:55.219 --> 00:00:57.920 Fox's first time there. It was my first Southwest 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:00.579 Love Fest. What'd you think? Oh man, it was great. 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:03.020 Yeah? Yeah, I was very excited. I'd heard good 00:01:03.020 --> 00:01:05.159 things from you the past couple times that you 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:08.980 went. And so obviously my expectations were high. 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:15.180 But they were met. I had a great time. Met many 00:01:15.180 --> 00:01:17.659 amazing people. Some of whom you will hear from 00:01:17.659 --> 00:01:20.219 here in a minute. So I was set up at a community 00:01:20.219 --> 00:01:23.840 vendor table in the hallway and I brought our 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:26.640 podcasting set up with me. And I asked anyone 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:29.959 who would stop and listen to our spiel, hey, 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:32.040 what are your thoughts about this question? And 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:34.540 I can say that I think just because of the venue 00:01:34.540 --> 00:01:37.599 and the setting that I was constantly running 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:40.939 across such thoughtful, introspective people. 00:01:41.140 --> 00:01:46.239 And it was. adorable how I mean and inspiring 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:49.359 really but like I just loved how like I mean 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:50.959 obviously a lot of people were nervous to get 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:54.400 in front of a microphone but they really wanted 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:57.680 to share something worth sharing like a majority 00:01:57.680 --> 00:01:59.780 of them wanted to think about it and come back 00:01:59.780 --> 00:02:01.980 later yeah we definitely got accused of making 00:02:01.980 --> 00:02:05.459 a picking hard questions questions that made 00:02:05.459 --> 00:02:09.319 them think about it As I was editing, because 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:11.159 I wasn't always there for all the recordings, 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:15.180 as I was editing it, it felt like I was stitching 00:02:15.180 --> 00:02:19.400 together a bit of a love letter to this time 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:22.699 and this place and the people we shared it with 00:02:22.699 --> 00:02:27.060 in a way I hadn't fully anticipated going into 00:02:27.060 --> 00:02:32.300 it. But it was beautiful. And I just always... 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:34.840 Love the people who come to events like this 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:38.500 and are just like you said, so thoughtful, so 00:02:38.500 --> 00:02:42.520 caring, so introspective. They're such good people. 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:47.719 And to be able to capture the audio of that time 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:49.300 and that place and the things that they were 00:02:49.300 --> 00:02:53.180 thinking about is really special. And I'm excited 00:02:53.180 --> 00:02:56.219 to share it. One thing that was unique about 00:02:56.219 --> 00:02:58.240 this experience that's different from our other 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:00.300 crowdsource episodes is that you'll notice some 00:03:00.300 --> 00:03:02.500 background noise because this was just. like 00:03:02.500 --> 00:03:05.060 a hallway that we were recording in. And the 00:03:05.060 --> 00:03:08.240 other thing is some of the people who shared 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:10.699 their responses were responding to things they 00:03:10.699 --> 00:03:12.860 learned about. So you might hear them reference 00:03:12.860 --> 00:03:14.860 a session that they went to or something they 00:03:14.860 --> 00:03:18.120 learned about that way. So let's get to it. Okay. 00:03:18.819 --> 00:03:22.300 So the question for this special bonus crowdsource 00:03:22.300 --> 00:03:25.680 episode was, what is one thing you learned recently 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:27.599 that changed the way you think about relationships? 00:03:28.430 --> 00:03:31.909 And here's what they said. Okay, so what I learned 00:03:31.909 --> 00:03:36.189 recently about relationships is they're very 00:03:36.189 --> 00:03:40.650 fluid. They go however you choose that you want 00:03:40.650 --> 00:03:43.849 them. There could be romantic ones. There can 00:03:43.849 --> 00:03:46.849 be platonic ones. But anyone could be your soulmate 00:03:46.849 --> 00:03:49.810 if you feel that connection. There's not just 00:03:49.810 --> 00:03:55.189 one. Multiple people can love and be a part of 00:03:55.189 --> 00:03:58.159 your life if you want it. It just depends on 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:00.639 how you feel about that person and if you let 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.400 them into your life and want them into your life. 00:04:03.819 --> 00:04:07.340 I find that I used to be very rigid in the way 00:04:07.340 --> 00:04:10.460 I thought and conversations almost felt like 00:04:10.460 --> 00:04:15.319 more of a explain myself. And when I started 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:18.839 listening and experiencing other people's perspectives 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:22.399 from a goal of understanding rather than to be 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:24.259 understood, and these things are not mutually 00:04:24.259 --> 00:04:28.480 exclusive. The more I incorporated the way other 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:31.980 people see the world, the more I was able to 00:04:31.980 --> 00:04:36.180 understand myself. I recently attended a discussion 00:04:36.180 --> 00:04:40.360 about personality disorders and non -monogamy 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:44.839 and the stigmas faced by people who clinically 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:48.199 cannot exemplify the qualities that we associate 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:55.089 with healthy polyamory. And it was a really enlightening 00:04:55.089 --> 00:04:58.050 discussion that was validating for a lot of people. 00:04:58.170 --> 00:05:01.810 I learned that a lot of therapists don't even 00:05:01.810 --> 00:05:05.430 bother dealing with people who have BPD or similar 00:05:05.430 --> 00:05:08.629 disorders. And a lot of the literature focused 00:05:08.629 --> 00:05:11.550 around how we talk about healthy relationships 00:05:11.550 --> 00:05:15.850 basically doesn't have a consideration for people 00:05:15.850 --> 00:05:22.160 whose trauma or personality conditions for whom 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:24.920 the literature is not helpful in that regard. 00:05:25.180 --> 00:05:27.220 And that's taught me to have a lot more empathy 00:05:27.220 --> 00:05:31.860 and to think more carefully about how I use certain 00:05:31.860 --> 00:05:34.740 language and how I promote certain stigmas. One 00:05:34.740 --> 00:05:36.819 thing I've learned recently that's changed the 00:05:36.819 --> 00:05:40.360 way I think about relationships, I found some 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:44.000 language recently to help me understand reasons 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:47.660 that I struggle in conflict. And the way that 00:05:47.660 --> 00:05:50.670 I think about it is we kind of... the state that 00:05:50.670 --> 00:05:53.430 we're in can exist on a spectrum from connecting 00:05:53.430 --> 00:05:57.569 on one side to protecting ourselves on the other 00:05:57.569 --> 00:06:00.589 side and I think that the price of admission 00:06:00.589 --> 00:06:04.310 into connection is vulnerability and like this 00:06:04.310 --> 00:06:06.509 idea of intimacy and allowing parts of ourselves 00:06:06.509 --> 00:06:10.589 to be seen that feel very scary and the price 00:06:10.589 --> 00:06:12.610 of admission for protecting ourselves is often 00:06:12.610 --> 00:06:17.350 disconnection and Being able to ask myself where 00:06:17.350 --> 00:06:21.009 on this spectrum am I right now helps me think 00:06:21.009 --> 00:06:23.290 about if I'm in the right state of mind to be 00:06:23.290 --> 00:06:25.930 addressing conflicts in a way that is connecting 00:06:25.930 --> 00:06:29.230 as opposed to disconnecting. And it explained 00:06:29.230 --> 00:06:32.529 a lot for me about sometimes getting into conflicts 00:06:32.529 --> 00:06:35.629 that feel like trigger spirals where one person 00:06:35.629 --> 00:06:37.810 goes into protective mode and it almost triggers 00:06:37.810 --> 00:06:40.089 the other person into protective mode and now 00:06:40.089 --> 00:06:44.779 no forward progress can be made. healing whatever 00:06:44.779 --> 00:06:48.120 rupture has happened. And on the flip side, I 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:50.839 think knowing that I'm able to like in a place 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:52.699 where I'm able to be on the connecting side of 00:06:52.699 --> 00:06:55.100 the spectrum and stay there, even if the other 00:06:55.100 --> 00:06:57.220 person is feeling protective, can sometimes invite 00:06:57.220 --> 00:06:59.980 them to start to slowly move towards connecting. 00:07:00.420 --> 00:07:03.000 And that has just been an overarching framework 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:08.480 that has helped me think about how I can do better 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:11.420 in conflict in a way that's healing for my relationships. 00:07:12.139 --> 00:07:15.000 One thing that I have recently learned about 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.699 how I think about relationships is that I can 00:07:18.699 --> 00:07:23.300 form different bonds and get different things 00:07:23.300 --> 00:07:28.279 from different people. And I can have significant 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:31.519 interactions that feel right with one person 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.600 and feel a different way about the other person. 00:07:34.620 --> 00:07:38.800 And those are both important and loving ways 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:42.240 to share my time with those people. Love exists 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:45.740 to the bounds to which you allow it, and you 00:07:45.740 --> 00:07:49.439 are infinite. The one thing I've learned is that 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:53.180 I was very apprehensive about poly, but the fact 00:07:53.180 --> 00:07:57.000 that I can share my life and share my other parts 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:00.379 of me with other people as well as my significant 00:08:00.379 --> 00:08:02.959 other or my nesting partner, I guess that's a 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:06.459 new term I've learned, but it's one of those 00:08:06.459 --> 00:08:09.480 you have to share. I mean, sharing is caring. 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:11.939 I mean, that's the weird part about it. That's 00:08:11.939 --> 00:08:15.949 definitely the weird part about it. But I haven't 00:08:15.949 --> 00:08:19.910 crossed that line. But if that person ever pops 00:08:19.910 --> 00:08:23.569 into my life, then all the better for me. One 00:08:23.569 --> 00:08:25.149 of the things that I've learned over the last... 00:08:25.149 --> 00:08:28.970 Well, okay, it's kind of twofold. Something that 00:08:28.970 --> 00:08:32.190 I've learned over the last year regarding relationships 00:08:32.190 --> 00:08:38.549 is that partners do not exactly have to look 00:08:38.549 --> 00:08:42.289 like that Hallmark Disney fairytale ending that... 00:08:43.179 --> 00:08:47.019 Every piece of media ever sells us. Like you 00:08:47.019 --> 00:08:50.519 can really cultivate and craft a partnership 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:57.379 that works for you without it looking like a 00:08:57.379 --> 00:09:00.519 traditional partnership. And that's okay. Like 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:03.799 it's a beautiful thing. And the other thing is 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:08.710 that when it comes to relationships. found family 00:09:08.710 --> 00:09:11.149 can be just as important and just as impactful 00:09:11.149 --> 00:09:14.029 as the family that you grew up with, if not more 00:09:14.029 --> 00:09:17.049 so. Especially for those of us who didn't grow 00:09:17.049 --> 00:09:19.129 up with supportive families, the found family 00:09:19.129 --> 00:09:23.029 that I have been so blessed to cultivate over 00:09:23.029 --> 00:09:29.929 the last year has really been an incredible glimpse 00:09:29.929 --> 00:09:36.820 into what a loving, supportive community. and 00:09:36.820 --> 00:09:41.159 network of people is supposed to look like. And 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:43.159 it's also okay that that doesn't look like a 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:48.379 Hallmark Disney movie either. So one thing I've 00:09:48.379 --> 00:09:50.480 learned recently that changed the way I think 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:53.379 about relationships, that question is hard for 00:09:53.379 --> 00:09:56.519 me because I'm a very thinky kind of person. 00:09:56.559 --> 00:10:01.500 I tend to intellectualize stuff. And I know a 00:10:01.500 --> 00:10:07.879 lot and I think a lot. Something that I wrestle 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:13.240 with is sort of knowing something, but like intellectually 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:16.500 in my brain, but and believing it to be true. 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:22.059 But like my nervous system doesn't know it also. 00:10:22.700 --> 00:10:27.700 So I know it, but I don't feel it. And I think 00:10:27.700 --> 00:10:31.799 a lot of. The stuff that especially like this 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:35.580 weekend that has come up for me, I'm like, yes, 00:10:35.659 --> 00:10:37.399 I know this. Yes, I know this. Yes, I know this. 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:41.299 Right. Like I know a lot of this and I don't 00:10:41.299 --> 00:10:43.899 feel it. And so I'm kind of just hoping like 00:10:43.899 --> 00:10:47.159 overexposing myself and just continuing to talk 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:49.179 about things and to experience things and hear 00:10:49.179 --> 00:10:52.679 other people's perspectives and experiences will 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:56.720 help me so that. Eventually it will like get 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:59.480 ingrained enough where I feel it and I know it. 00:11:00.139 --> 00:11:04.519 I think I learned recently that you can't depend 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:10.779 on experience. I have been in relationships for 00:11:10.779 --> 00:11:13.340 going on a couple, two or three decades now at 00:11:13.340 --> 00:11:15.899 this point. And I think I'd reached a point where 00:11:15.899 --> 00:11:19.379 I kind of expected that I'd seen it all. And 00:11:19.379 --> 00:11:24.190 I definitely did not. give some of my more recent 00:11:24.190 --> 00:11:28.889 relationships the attention to the uniqueness 00:11:28.889 --> 00:11:32.070 that they deserved. There were things that were 00:11:32.070 --> 00:11:36.769 unique about those relationships that I should 00:11:36.769 --> 00:11:39.389 have given the space for, and it was a blind 00:11:39.389 --> 00:11:41.409 spot for me. So that's the thing that I'm acutely 00:11:41.409 --> 00:11:43.769 aware of, is every relationship that I find myself 00:11:43.769 --> 00:11:46.690 in, there's some level where I'm starting from 00:11:46.690 --> 00:11:49.409 absolute square one every single time. And I 00:11:49.409 --> 00:11:53.539 think that's important for me to know. So I'm 00:11:53.539 --> 00:11:55.879 definitely a person who struggles a lot with 00:11:55.879 --> 00:12:00.820 anxiety and FOMO or the fear of missing out. 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:08.519 And so being in a poly relationship, I witness 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:10.820 my partner with a lot of other partners or at 00:12:10.820 --> 00:12:14.299 least other partners that have a more serious 00:12:14.299 --> 00:12:17.039 side to them. And the one thing that I learned 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:21.299 when my wife... first started to have a serious 00:12:21.299 --> 00:12:27.200 partner is I felt a lot of anxiety that I put 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:31.799 on that partner I let that anxiety change the 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:34.899 way I thought about that person making it almost 00:12:34.899 --> 00:12:36.840 like it was their fault that I'm feeling this 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:41.279 and eventually I started to not like that person 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:44.360 just in general and make excuses for different 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:49.379 reasons to not like him and then my wife got 00:12:49.379 --> 00:12:53.919 another partner who was also my friend. And he 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:58.200 didn't act the same way as that partner, the 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:03.019 previous partner. And he treated me the same 00:13:03.019 --> 00:13:04.759 way he treats my wife. He treats my kids the 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:06.659 same way he treats all of us. He treats all of 00:13:06.659 --> 00:13:09.879 us very fairly and respectfully and tries to 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:13.879 show that attention. And so with that relationship, 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:18.799 I still got anxiety. So the one thing that I 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:25.679 learned was that my anxiety that I feel is my 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:29.279 own. It's not because of a certain person. It's 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:31.919 not because somebody else is doing this to me. 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.980 It's something that I'm feeling because of something 00:13:34.980 --> 00:13:38.200 that I'm going through. And so it's something 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:41.620 that I need to work on. Some people can help 00:13:41.620 --> 00:13:44.500 me with it, and I can let them know that I'm 00:13:44.500 --> 00:13:48.919 feeling that anxiety. But it's not their responsibility. 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:52.840 And it's not their fault. That's the main thing 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.840 that I took away. And so I'm looking at that 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:04.159 first relationship a lot softer now. I'm reevaluating 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:07.860 how I feel about that person and trying to treat 00:14:07.860 --> 00:14:11.179 them with the same respect that I treat the other 00:14:11.179 --> 00:14:15.399 one. So when I was divorcing my kid's dad and 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:19.179 coming out as polyamorous at the same time, I 00:14:19.179 --> 00:14:21.159 had a lot of friends who really showed up for 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:23.120 me in amazing ways. And they would come over 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:25.519 and cook dinner or they would read bedtime stories 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:27.720 with my kids. And these are not people who are 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:30.259 romantic partners in any way. But having them 00:14:30.259 --> 00:14:32.440 show up and then also having my kids tell me 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:34.419 how much they started to see those people as 00:14:34.419 --> 00:14:37.360 family and to love those people really changed 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:39.320 the way that I think about relationships and 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:43.539 about having a network of love. beyond the idea 00:14:43.539 --> 00:14:45.580 of sexual or romantic partners, but into this 00:14:45.580 --> 00:14:48.899 entire web of people that support us and love 00:14:48.899 --> 00:14:50.960 us and are a part of our lives and that we can 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:55.340 think of as our family and that are the network 00:14:55.340 --> 00:14:58.220 that makes us whole and happy and makes the world 00:14:58.220 --> 00:15:00.879 a beautiful, happy place. I've been non -monogamous 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:03.399 for many years, and this is not a thing I ever 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:06.220 thought I would do, but it's amazing. And just 00:15:06.220 --> 00:15:10.799 in the last few days, it was broached about how... 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:14.779 my metamorph values the relationship with our 00:15:14.779 --> 00:15:19.960 shared partner and with me and would like to 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:23.379 have some kind of kind of commitment ceremony 00:15:23.379 --> 00:15:27.759 and I've been with my nesting partner my spouse 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:33.440 for you know 30 plus years and this is something 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:36.659 that would have been pretty jarring to me years 00:15:36.659 --> 00:15:42.779 ago about someone else having this kind of strong 00:15:42.779 --> 00:15:47.480 connection with my partner, feelings of jealousy, 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:50.980 or did they want to take over my role? And then 00:15:50.980 --> 00:15:54.539 I realized that I did not feel that way about 00:15:54.539 --> 00:15:58.779 my metamor, and that she was so important to 00:15:58.779 --> 00:16:02.320 my life and a part of our relationship. Like, 00:16:02.340 --> 00:16:04.320 we don't have an intimate relationship. We're 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:09.909 two arms of a V. But I love her as a family member, 00:16:10.129 --> 00:16:14.090 as a friend, as a sister, sometimes as a daughter. 00:16:15.289 --> 00:16:18.529 And I'm actually kind of looking forward to participating 00:16:18.529 --> 00:16:22.330 in this. And not a thing I ever thought I would. 00:16:23.389 --> 00:16:29.029 But to reaffirm and... our connectivity um in 00:16:29.029 --> 00:16:32.190 a non -monogamous and loving way the one thing 00:16:32.190 --> 00:16:34.210 i've learned recently about poly and it's something 00:16:34.210 --> 00:16:36.669 that i'm learning again is i've been poly for 00:16:36.669 --> 00:16:40.429 about four years five years is you never stop 00:16:40.429 --> 00:16:43.640 learning and it's a really simple thing but I 00:16:43.640 --> 00:16:45.600 had a massive breakup. It was one of my first 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:48.240 big connections. It was really hard, and I didn't 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:50.200 think I could do it anymore. Then I literally 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:51.840 had all this whole questioning if it's for me. 00:16:52.179 --> 00:16:54.519 So coming to the idea that I now have another 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:56.860 partner and someone I can say I love you again 00:16:56.860 --> 00:16:59.740 was both a surprise and something that terrified 00:16:59.740 --> 00:17:03.240 me. So realizing that, again, you hear the caveat, 00:17:03.379 --> 00:17:06.339 you never stop learning, but it really is true. 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:10.710 And we're back. Welcome back. Hi, Nova. Hi. What 00:17:10.710 --> 00:17:16.230 did you think of those answers? You know, I think 00:17:16.230 --> 00:17:19.930 what hits me every time we do a crowdsource episode 00:17:19.930 --> 00:17:26.150 is that there's the intimacy that comes with 00:17:26.150 --> 00:17:29.410 someone sharing their answer to a question like 00:17:29.410 --> 00:17:32.109 the kinds we come up with. And then there's sort 00:17:32.109 --> 00:17:36.390 of like an extra layer of intimacy of just. hearing 00:17:36.390 --> 00:17:39.609 just their voice and focusing on them and what 00:17:39.609 --> 00:17:42.109 they're sharing. And the combination of both 00:17:42.109 --> 00:17:45.390 of those feels very, I don't know, magical to 00:17:45.390 --> 00:17:52.490 me. Yeah. Oh, man. Well, when I was listening 00:17:52.490 --> 00:17:56.490 to these, I was struck by just how much, and 00:17:56.490 --> 00:17:59.490 I know we were specifically asking them about 00:17:59.490 --> 00:18:02.849 something they learned recently. So I don't know 00:18:02.849 --> 00:18:06.059 why. Was a surprise in any way, but I was really 00:18:06.059 --> 00:18:08.579 struck by how seriously these people are taking 00:18:08.579 --> 00:18:12.700 their learning and growth journey. Yeah. Yeah. 00:18:13.059 --> 00:18:15.519 Such, you know, thoughtfulness and care and attention 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:18.680 is going into coming into a space like this and 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:21.599 like exposing themselves to new ideas and new 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:24.599 information. It was inspiring. It was for sure. 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:28.440 So that was the special bonus crowdsource episode 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:30.660 of Mindful Polly. Thank you so much for joining 00:18:30.660 --> 00:18:33.039 us for Mindful Polly. Yeah, thanks for being 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:35.160 here. It was special to share this. See you next 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:45.980 time. All right. Bye. Bye. You remember our music? 00:18:46.299 --> 00:18:51.579 Of course. We just heard it. I know. I missed 00:18:51.579 --> 00:18:51.740 it.