Hi everyone, welcome back to this week's episode of the Real Talking Podcast with your hosts
Ashley and Jaydee. So this week we've had more, not necessarily drama but some naughtiness
going on with another BBC presented this time as opposed to an old TV one.
It makes me think, you know if you're more in the public eye, it's like even more of
a reason not to because you're going to get, I always feel like you've got not so much
more to lose but people would want to know more.
Well yeah.
It becomes a bigger story I suppose.
Yeah, I think it's just something that it's definitely always been around because obviously
the logs of Jimmy Savile and others that were always, they'd always seen themselves as untouchable
because that's what they've done it more, especially to the extent of what Jimmy Savile
did.
But what did he actually do? Because I haven't watched anything, I know he's done something
and his wife actually came out.
Before we get too far ahead, when this was first breaking out, I believe it was Saturday
or Sunday when I first started seeing it getting leaked out.
Because initially it was a picture of Rowland, Oliver Giroux with his shiny teeth which was
put above the article.
I don't think it was the Sunday article, I think it was the day he expressed his saying
that the BBC presenter has been suspended due to allegations of paying money for pictures
of an underage person.
So Rowland's statement was saying, this isn't me, I want you to take my picture away from
this article because people are thinking that it's me.
Which to be fair, I wouldn't be surprised because he is a bit of a strange person isn't
he?
And he's ginger.
But that doesn't, yeah.
I'm not saying that being ginger is bad, I'm just saying that he dyes his hair jet black
and that's just sacrilege.
If you're ginger, just be ginger, don't hide it.
So then that sort of stems a lot of conspiracy going around then.
So there was Jeremy Vine that was being brought up as a potential person.
Even though he does his radio show I think on, I don't know if it's Radio 2, and he
still does a programme on Channel 5 or Channel 4.
So there was a bit of a debate whether it would be him because he's not a TV presenter
on the BBC.
There was a few other people bouncing around but I thought the funniest one that again
I wouldn't be surprised with was Mr Blobber.
Now to be fair, I can't remember what Channel Mr Blobber used to be on.
Why didn't it be Channel 4?
I would have thought it was old TV.
Mr Blobber, Noel Edmonds.
He was sat by an old one, wasn't he?
Yeah, I would have thought it was old TV.
Mr Blobber was bouncing around, his name was, not him literally if you start.
But he was a part of that older generation, sort of 80s and 90s where you wouldn't put
him past that.
Back with Rolf Harris and that, just running around touching little boys and stuff.
I would not be surprised.
But no, we won't have any slander against Mr Blobber.
So that's when I started to do a bit of researching into it and it took a good day before people
actually started posting his name.
So it ended up being Hugh Edwards which for us, he's always been on the news for a good
couple of years, but in recent history he's mainly known for announcing the Queen's death.
Yeah, he does all the important stuff, doesn't he, on BBC.
So when there's ever a special report he's the...
Yeah, he's the face, the front runner-up.
So with the allegations that were coming out, he didn't say the gender originally, but he'd
been paying thousands of pounds of money to a person under the age of 18 for pictures.
When they say under the age of 18, as he's an age, because...
Yeah, so it gradually started leaking out.
So the initial person that's...
Well, he was the parents that came to the BBC.
So they reported to the BBC back in May about their 17-year-old son.
Oh, okay.
So there was a 17-year-old son that had gone to the BBC, says, look, what's going on?
But then because the BBC just brushed it away, they went to the police.
And so more victims, as what their family has, have come out of the woodwork.
There was a...
I believe she was 17 at the time when he was asking for pictures of this girl.
So he was doing males and females?
Yeah.
The last I saw, there was about six allegations against him.
None of them have been under the age of 16.
From what I've seen, they've all been at the age of 17.
So obviously, the age concerned in the UK is 16.
So...
Yeah, but by the law, it's...
Technically, because they're over the age of 16, it's not illegal, but to be paying for
services, because essentially you're paying for pornographic images and that.
You have to be over 18.
So with the one girl that was 17, essentially was funding her addiction to crack cocaine,
is what they were saying.
So that's when the parents of that started to moan as well and reported it to the police.
Right, because the only thing I've seen is a picture of him on ready, where they've just
blurted out a little bit, and he's timid with his trousers down.
He's not facing, like, standing upright, but kind of like...
I don't know if you can see anything more because they put a smiley emoji around that area.
Yeah, I've still not seen that picture of...
Have you not?
I've seen other people reference Liddy, but yeah, I've not seen it.
It was on ready or I've seen it?
Yeah, so there was...there's meant to be one with his arse out completely.
Yeah, you saw his arse, but I don't know if you saw anything else.
Yeah, I think there's meant to be almost a full frontal picture of his cock floating around as well,
but I've not seen it.
It's just a couple of things that I've seen floating around.
Why would you do that?
Because you're more inclined to get black...not blackmailed, but just say, like,
I won this so I'm going to get this picture shown around now, and it's going to be rude.
Especially after the Philly Schofield thing, you would have been like, yeah, I don't know.
I never understand people like this.
So he's got a boy, but he's talking to boys, my males.
Yeah, young men. And young women.
But I...I don't get it.
I think a lot of it is because when you've got all this money and you don't know what to do with it,
you're just bored. And that's why there's all the allegations of...
What with Epstein's Island, you know, it's millions of billionaires that have just gone to this island
to do what they can do with the children.
So I think it's that stem. It's just, I've got all this money, I've literally done everything that I can.
I've gone on my holidays, done this, done that. What can I do now?
Ah, that's someone young. Let's see what I can do with them.
I don't get it.
No, I don't, because if you're going to want to cheat or have sexual relations,
just do with someone of the right age.
Well, yeah, especially when there's a lot of young enough people of 18 and a half
that still look really young for what age they are anyway.
If that's your kick, yeah.
Yeah, there's plenty of, well, you know, only-fans types of people that would happily, for the money,
dress up as a child essentially, you know, be school uniform or something.
So to literally go to, well, as we say, 17 from what has been reported,
technically legal for consent of actually having a relationship.
But it is strange, I suppose it still stems to a bit of a mental illness.
I'm not going to start using the phrase of the trying to push of maps,
where it's a minor attractive person, because at the end of the day,
if you're a paedophile, you're a paedophile.
Wait, that, what's that?
I don't know how you ever learned this.
So as a part of the LGBTQ plus minus fucking order signs agenda,
essentially paedophiles are pushing as a part of that movement to be called minor attractive persons.
So it's their way of trying to legalise being attracted to children.
This trans, not the LGB, you know, not that community, because I've been touching on it last week,
I feel like this community is trying to hijack them, that community.
Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of them really.
How can you?
Well, it's what we briefly touched about before Press and Records,
with the video of the parents raiding the school in Ireland.
So that's the people that haven't seen it, parents raiding the school,
and as they're trying to get into the library or the hall, whatever room it is,
it's to stop their children being read to by...
It was a drag queen, wasn't it?
Yeah, it was drag queens or drag artists reading books about their sexuality.
And had all the rainbow flags up the wall.
Yeah, and these children, it was primary school, so, you know, they're under the age of 10 essentially,
and it's forcing these ideas and confusing them onto children that they just, they don't need it.
There's no reason to try and make them start thinking about these things
when they barely know how to spell words and, you know, use a calculator or anything.
I feel like it's something we're touching on a lot.
It's not something that I really...
No, we don't really want to talk about it,
because it's so much stuff happening within it.
You just have to...
Yeah, it's...
Because it's pushed up onto us so much, there is going to be a breaking point.
Did you... I've seen it at T-Talk, so obviously you have right wing and left wing,
left wing being like, you know, your trans and, you know, that's what you'd call your left wing.
And basically, it was a female presenter.
I don't know what she was, or her name, I really should have got the name.
I found it really interesting that she got to me and was like,
look, come and speak to people on this side and see what your reaction would be.
And a lot of them was just like, a lot of them was like putting his arms around him,
like, you know, we've got you with us now, you know, it's all right.
It was like, yeah, but I was over there, it was like, look, it's fine, it's all right.
And then he went, can I take you to, you know, the lefty side?
And there was people screaming in the face, you white bitch, white bitch, from a white female.
And after he faced the end, he was like, you could see the realisation, I'm in the rush.
Yeah, it's just, when is it going to stop, man?
Yeah, it's quite chaotic with everything that's going on.
Especially when, I know we have said it multiple times,
when the gay and lesbian community originally worked so hard just to be accepted
and then obviously, you know, got the marriage legalised as well then.
From going from that point to where we are now, it is just too much of an extreme.
Because I see so many comments on TikTok, when you see these videos of people saying,
as a gay person, these are not my views, and I still love that.
And it's like, what is this community worth more than the gay community?
Not only that, did you hear the news that a transgender male,
one Miss Neverland, came to the show?
I didn't see that one.
No, so she was born a male, I don't know if she's still got a dick,
but she applied for Miss Neverland, got into it and won it.
So she's going to go into, is it Miss World or Miss Universe?
I can't remember which, so she, no.
Yeah, I imagine the both are the same, because you can't really go...
You can't go above Miss World really, it's just,
I'm guessing it might be two different franchises, maybe, I don't know.
Yeah, and it's like, so, alright, you've got that aspect,
then you've got where, obviously, biological males are now competing as females in sports and winning them.
So, they're taking over all the feminists, they're taking over the gay community,
bisexual, the lesbian, and it's just, as we mentioned last week,
it's just heavy and it's constantly heavy, it's a bit, I've never known something to...
It's like these old protesters, you know everyone hates it, but it's just always there.
Yeah, it's burning old wildfire, the passion that they have, it's just all in the wrong way.
And there's too many of these wrong-uns hushing their views for it.
So, even with the video floating around the other week where it was clearly a man dressed as a woman
inside a female's toilets and he's holding his phone trying to record the women and children
going to the cubicles to use the toilet, and he's standing there and he's got the...
It wasn't a massive erection, but he's got an erection, he's poking out of his little red skirts.
And it's that kind of person that is forcing all these wrong agendas onto everyone.
It's too much and it's a good job we can't get cancelled, because we probably would do
with some of the stuff we have been saying over the last few weeks.
But it's mentally ill.
No, we said it last week, it's heavy and we don't really want to keep talking about it,
but because it keeps happening.
Yeah, there's something new pretty much every day.
Even this morning I saw a reaction to...
Again, it was a male that's transitioned into a woman, but she was saying how she wants to have
the feeling of getting pregnant and then having an abortion.
So all we've seen the reactions on it, where obviously women are outraged saying,
one, you can't because you're genetically a male, and then that's just sick because no one should
want to have an abortion.
You accidentally get pregnant for whatever reason and that's why you have the abortion,
or you're not ready and this and that.
There's obviously hundreds of reasons for it, but to physically just want to go through the
sensation of what it's like, it's disgusting and it's a mental ill.
These thoughts shouldn't be going through people's minds, let alone being published stories,
put onto the internet where everyone can get access to them.
Some people probably say the same about our podcast, but at least we're not trying to force
an agenda out to people.
The thing with what we've seen, you can't have a debate with them, a discussion with them.
They're always, their role is your role and then there's no compromise.
We have to accept their values.
We've all seen enough of the Piers Morgan debates, I want to be a penguin and this and that,
and then they say no, you can't identify as that.
There's the people that can identify as a cat or a dog.
It's mad because people like Piers Morgan, people used to really like him or really hate him.
It's definitely still that way.
I just feel like, same with Katie Hopkins, a lot of people now, I remember people used to absolutely hate her.
But she's saying a lot of stuff and I read the comments and a lot of them are saying,
I never thought I'd stay when I 100% agree with this woman.
And as she said, no one can cancel her because no one's on a booker in on BBC One or TV.
Yeah, no one cares about her essentially.
She's got nothing to lose.
I do have to laugh though because when I see her videos, most of the time you can tell she's had a couple of glasses of wine.
She's just slurring a little bit because even with the Schofield stuff when she was going on about that.
You can see she wants to laugh and sometimes she's like...
Just a weird word, mate.
You shouldn't have to worry about thinking you can into school.
And it's nothing wrong with learning a...
Right, I need to think about what I'm about to say.
It's the forceful of it.
It's the same with religious education essentially.
It's not that it's wrong to learn about all these other religions if you don't believe in them.
If you're a Catholic or Christian and then you go into school and you learn about Hinduism or anything else,
there's nothing wrong with that and it's good to understand what their views on their religions and this and that is all about.
And it should be the same with the sexual education where you can feel attracted to your same sex
and then you might feel that you was born in the wrong body.
But to force all these issues when, as I keep saying, it's already confusing enough.
Pretty much from the age of 12, once you start hitting puberty...
Because I remember just randomly you'd be sitting on the bus or something or in the classroom
and you feel your dick starting to get hard and you don't ask, shoot, what's going on?
You're trying to hold it and it's embarrassing and you wouldn't want to talk about it to everyone.
But if that's getting brought up in class and you're getting shown all these pictures and you don't know what's going on,
then it's just going to be too confusing.
It's already too high of a rate with child depression and the super-solar rates as well.
So it's just going to add to it the way I see it. It's definitely not going to help.
Now I know that some people at heart argue that depression and super-solar rates are already high
because it's those kids that felt they were forced to try and hide their emotions because they were gay or trans or whatever.
But what I'm saying is if these are there to educate, educate for the right reason, not to force
and try and make them be something that they're not.
If you see too many of these videos, the kids are getting told off because they don't believe what the teachers are saying.
It's like if a kid goes, I believe in God or don't believe in God, you would never hear a teacher go, you're wrong.
They're contradicting their point of view. So it should just be the same. Just lower the tone.
Just mellow it out.
I think it took us a couple of episodes to get there, but I think that's all we're trying to say is just mellow, just calm it down.
Just ride along. Have the conversation. Have the real talk. Just go with the flow.
At the end of the day, we're all there. We're not here forever, are we?
No.
There's no need to be stressing about everything, who's right and wrong.
Just carry on. Just do what we need to. I mean I could carry on down another wormhole of other stuff
that relates to that sort of topic, but I think we owe Hugh the bronze and the respect to finish talking about him first.
Yeah.
So once you get into that corner, you can just go.
It is a squirrel.
You just have to climb back up.
As I say, I see a lot of videos regarding those topics and it is quite frustrating to be fair.
But yeah, back to Hugh anyway.
So his wife has come out with a statement saying that he's back in hospital, he's severely depressed, he's getting treated.
The accusations that were sent to the police as well, the police have come out with a statement saying that they're not going to take any action.
So they don't deem anything that he has done as illegal.
Okay, so anything that he's done is legal from a legal point of view.
Yeah, from the law, he's done nothing wrong.
So he hasn't broken no law, so what's the controversy?
Just because.
I think it's mainly the secrecy that everyone's not happy with now.
But obviously, you're going to have that as a secret, aren't you?
Yeah, you ain't going to be...
It's a weird conversation to have with your wife saying, I've noticed this young person over here.
I feel like getting their number and seeing if they want a grand to send me a picture of the tits or whatever.
You're not going to have those conversations.
You're going to secretly do it.
The same is not that I'll condone it, but if you're trying to have an affair, you do that in secret.
But it sounds like there's obviously websites where he could get that.
And...
Yeah, I think it might be that.
And more did he let himself be known who he was, why didn't he be discreet?
So, no law has been broken.
He just wasn't discreet with who he was.
And that's what the problem is.
Yeah, it's that. And because the victims were under the age of 18 and still living at home with the parents, basically...
From what I've seen, all the parents that have come out of the woodwork, probably trying to get their payday out of it all now, really.
Because that's what most of it's going to come down to.
Saving the story to the son with the paper and that, getting a couple of grand.
Right, yeah. I'm riding that way.
So, has he been cancelled yet? Because he will be.
I imagine he will do.
But from what I've seen of other TV presenters, no one's really had...
Well, up until the point of his wife's statements anyway, no one had any good knowledge to say about him.
But then, strangely enough, it was as I went on to...
I turned the TV on, he was at the point where his wife's statements had just come out.
So, it was on the BBC News and they were reading the statement saying how he's in a bad way.
He's being treated for his mental illness.
And what's his mental illness?
Well, essentially he's depressed at the moment.
Because everyone's found out.
Because everything's come out.
Apparently he was in rehab a few years ago because of depression as well.
So, it's just brought all that out even more.
And then it was at the same time when the police statement came out saying that he's innocent.
So, all he's done wrong basically is cheat on his wife.
He hasn't even physically done it. He's just paid for pictures.
You would say most ridership, if you pay for pictures, you would class that as cheating.
Well, I think this is going to be a common conversation for the future.
Because a lot of people in the relationships are paying for OnlyFans subscriptions as well, aren't they?
So, he's trying to hide that from you missus.
Or you feel like, is that going to be seen as cheating then?
Because again, if you're just looking at porn on your phone or something, is that class as cheating?
I think it's at every couple's discretion, isn't it?
So, technically he's done nothing wrong legally.
Done nothing wrong.
So, what is the statement being made then?
Just because...
Yeah, I think all these news reports and everyone else...
Are trying to blow you up.
Yeah, they were trying to get ahead and say, you know, this is disgraceful, it's disgusting.
Ready to, you know, just send him straight down to hell.
And then as soon as that statement comes out that the police aren't going to take any action,
that they've all changed the tune.
You know, they're apologizing, not necessarily apologizing, but they were wishing him best of health,
you know, speed of recovery to get out of hospital and that and that.
So, they've had to do a quick u-turn on their views of you.
So, it just makes you laugh.
I think because of how big the Philip Schofield saga was, it's like, this is the next big thing.
This is the big cup at stake, we want this.
It's the big story.
Yeah, we want to get as much out there as possible.
So, all the views are on us, you know, everyone's looking, everyone's clicking our links and this and that.
And it's just backbored on us.
The BBC are really fighting a lot lately.
I've seen them with the interview that they did with Andrew Tate.
And that was terrible.
And I've seen them, did interview with Elon Musk.
And, you know, from a debate, the BBC journalists lost on both accounts.
It's just like, fuck me, you're supposed to be impartial because you're a part of the government,
but like, throwing these accusations about, fuck me.
Well, just thought a bunch of Tories, ain't they? Fucking big heads.
So, yeah, the moral of that story, I think really is just not to jump to all the conclusions that everyone was.
Because I just laughed as I was reading all the stories and everything about it.
Because I've never at one point saw that it was, I'd say I'm saying underage, but under the age of 18, I've never seen anything saying...
Yeah, the word, not to make it sound worse, not worse than this, but...
Well, that's what they do, yeah, they try and manipulate your thoughts to make you think that, oh yeah, it's a child.
But, you know, if you're over the age of 16 and you consent to it, and, you know, they were taking the money.
They were taking the money.
I guarantee the honest, I'd be complaining when the money stopped.
Yeah, it would be that. And I really do think that it's because of the parents.
I understand with the one of them that it was alleged that, as I say, she was using the money from him to fund her addiction on the drugs.
You're not having a huge problem though, is it?
Well, no, obviously she must have already been dabbling for whatever reasons.
And then he's handing her thousands of pounds for pictures. So she's just using it even more.
Here's a question, Jay. How much would it cost you to send a nude picture to Hoos?
Well, if he wants to send me a couple hundred pound, I'll bang over a picture of my ballsack and that.
You know, I do use my Manscaped 3.0 because I haven't bought a new one yet. Quite regular.
So, you know, it's not going to be all puged and that.
But then I don't know if that's what he's into. He might be after a hairy ballsack.
But then he'd have to wait a couple of weeks then.
It's just weird because, you know, money makes people do weird things.
And if you're getting paid a grand just to send a picture of a cock or whatever.
Yeah, he's going to do it, yeah.
So there's someone in that field where you know he's not going to put it out there because you can put him out there.
And he's, you know what I mean? So you feel more secured in that sense.
But it's just, yeah, I guarantee it's when the money's done.
It probably is, yeah.
After the Philly Schofield thing, I guarantee lockdown.
I mean, try to like cut all ties with me and that's when it's come out. I guarantee it.
Probably was, yeah.
But as you were saying before, it does make you wonder why as many of these celebrities feel that they're almost untouchable.
Because, you know, all the stories and allegations with orders over the years that have come out.
You know, people, well, women trying to say that they've been raped or they're pregnant and this and that.
You know, I mean, again, I don't want to go down another rabbit hole.
But, you know, the Mason Greenwood saga even fell forward and was cheating on his missus at an England camp a couple of years ago as well.
But yeah, we won't go on to those.
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While we've slowly just touched on football today,
I watched the overlap interview with Dirty Ale.
I know you've not really seen any from Gov.
So there is a few concerning details that he's come out with really.
So he spoke about his depression, his addictions.
He, I don't want to say claims to make it sound like he's lying or putting down in any kind of way.
But he's claimed that he was molested at the age of six.
His mother was an alcoholic and so she always had people around the house while he was a child.
So it was one of her friends that apparently touched him in some way. He didn't say hi.
And then from the age of seven he started smoking.
Either ten or eleven he was dealing drugs.
And there was a person from a neighbouring state where he lived that hung him up a bridge.
And it was, I think from the age of twelve then, he was adopted by his obviously adoption family then.
And that was the turning point in his life.
Obviously he started playing football, turned professional at sixteen.
Got his big break at Tottenham Hotspur then.
And from there, once he'd earned that big contract really,
he went from earning a couple of thousand a week to a good 150, 174 thousand a week.
And it was basically at that point when his career took a bit of a nosedive.
He went on loan, his form just dropped off.
His form dropped off completely, then Everton brought him, then I loaned him out to Pesitas.
To the Turkish club.
It's such a hard name.
Just got to get a taser on.
So he obviously went over there and played next to the games.
I wonder though, now I'm hearing about it, I wonder if it's the case of, obviously he'd roared in the wife,
hearing really well and elevating, going really, really high.
And then his form dipped.
Because his form's dipping, now he's overthinking everything, chaos.
And then he's just nosedived then into that.
Does that make sense in terms of, because he was just, as you said, sixteen, MK dance, Tottenham.
He was just riding that wave.
Really good Champions League football.
And then sunk happens and then drops and then obviously he gets all this negativity, things happening in his life.
And maybe that's why he starts to think about it a little bit more.
And that's why his career took, you know, as, well I'm honest I fell off because he's still playing Premier League football.
But in terms of his form dipped.
Yeah, I think initially it was just because, you see with a lot of players really, they start earning a lot of money.
And you tend to see in the final year of the contract, they'll pull out a worldy season just to get a new contract.
They've got to, you know, in football, that's got to be a term where, you know, they've got twelve months, the career's running down.
There must be a term that footballers use like, I've got twelve months, I've got to fucking...
Yeah, I'm going to put my head down and get this new contract.
Yeah, but they've got to have that as a sign or something.
Probably, I've done, yeah.
It is annoying. I feel that there should be all performance based contracts really.
So, let's just say they get an initial set fee of 20 grand a week.
And then you score a goal, you get an extra grand or, you know, you make an assist that's an extra £500 or whatever.
When you're seeing all these players, there's even with James Sancho, he's allegedly on 374 grand a week.
And then he's, we don't know what's happened with him, but he has six weeks or so in a rehab centre.
I believe that was over in Denmark.
You know, so I think it will come out soon about some of Pee Shuggles as well.
But again, is it a case of his career where obviously Man City come through dormant and then really high and then he's formed it.
Then does that make you overthink mentally?
I think it a lot.
Do you know what I'm saying? Because when you're playing well, when you form dips, obviously does your style of mind dip?
Because you're in that negative space in terms of your job and you've only been told you're great at it.
Does that have that effect on your mental state?
I think it's the opposite where it's, they've reached this point and then they're getting all this money from them that I've made it now.
I don't have to put in the effort that I would put in to get to these points.
I'm just going to stay at this level now.
And so because they're not working as hard, that's what the form dips.
So you think they take the foot off the gas, so to speak?
Yeah.
OK.
So.
Because you are on time. When someone's about 12 months left, they always seem to have a fucking brilliant season.
Yeah, William's done it several times.
Rashford as well, because his contract's coming on.
Yeah.
And he had a great season, he was terrible, he's passed two seasons before.
I think with Rashford, it didn't help with Solskjaer being the boss there though.
Because you could say that about half the team, with Hayley improved under Ten Hag.
You know, Wampasak is a prime example with that as well.
But we're not getting onto the playing side of things now.
It's not a football podcast.
So back to Dele.
Gary didn't ask the right questions, I believe.
So there was no question of when his form started to dip. Why was that?
He didn't ask, was he?
Because we all saw it, it was around the same time that he got the big contract.
So it's not a matter of did you get the money and then take your foot off the gas.
You're not putting in the performances because you know you've already made it.
He didn't ask anything along those lines.
I remember when Jose Mourinho went to Tottenham, I remember him calling him lazy.
Yeah, on the Amazon documentary, he called him lazy.
And then the stigma stuck with him then, as being lazy.
So where...
But again, does that come with what I said, in terms of where he's been told he's grey and he's having those negativity in his life?
Is that where he took a nose-dove because he was so used to doing well, getting all these accolades and then he just dropped off.
So then his forms dropped off, which is mental state dropped off.
Yeah, I think a lot of it links to with Paccettino leaving Tottenham as well.
Because it was as he left, it was almost like the arm around his shoulder, how many memories he had, had gone away.
So that had contributed to me.
He was saying how the main addiction that he spoke about was to sleeping tablets.
But to make him go to sleep?
Yeah, so that was the initial reason for me because you play a game, you're full of adrenaline still and you're sure to get to sleep afterwards.
You've got to be back on the coach, you've got training next hour or whatever, or you've got to fly off to another country.
You need to have the sleep.
You know when you were just heard, I was like, at no one point did I go, sounds terrible, mate.
I don't think it's terrible either, especially if you've seen that bank go up by 150 grand every week.
Yeah, but you never know what people are going through or what they've been through.
For me, money would have...
I don't want to undermine how he's feeling and what he said, but what I'm saying is, 150 grand or whatever he's going to my bank every week sure lifts me up, mate.
It definitely would, and it's for a couple of hours a day of work essentially.
What does it feel like work?
What it wouldn't do because you're doing what you enjoy.
And that sort of thing, I haven't got the sympathy because it literally is.
You're getting paid to do what you love and it's not 12 hours a day of just hard work physically and mentally.
No, you have your food done for you, everything's prepped for you, your clothes are prepped for when you go into training.
You just literally got to play football, have a shower, get changed, you're getting to eat with the lads.
And you think with even the young players that come through, they don't even have to wash the boots of the first team anymore, where that was the main thing.
So are you saying that you think he's blaming stuff on the past because he's formed it, not the other way around, so to speak?
So he's formed it because of everything that's gone, you're saying because his forms dipped, now he's saying it.
Yes.
That's about it, Phil.
Right.
I say to Bringo, the initial talk about the sleep and pill addiction.
So he wasn't just taking them to go to sleep.
He says that sometimes if he wasn't, which I had to laugh at this point, if I wasn't working that day, then I'd be taking them at 10 or 11 o'clock in the morning.
So that was to essentially just chill him out, normal pain of the memories that were coming back to him and stuff.
He'd have house parties all the time, even while he was at the game playing or sitting on the bench, as he was the majority of the last two seasons.
He'd have people just round his house, just partying all day long.
What he was saying, that stems back to his childhood because that's what his mother used to do.
She'd be just having people in and out of the house all day long.
So he felt comfortable to him.
I don't know how it worked.
That contrasts to what he said because he would have went through life more without his mother in the picture.
So as a young adult, 11 or 12, when he got adopted, he'd be more accustomed to that than remembering stuff.
I don't know.
Do you get what I'm saying?
I don't want to say his line.
I don't want to come out and make it sound like I'm trying to say that he's just trying to use his past to build a bit of sympathy.
Restart and then restart.
I'd love to think that once he gets over his injury, that he's going to start playing regularly and get back to a better player because originally he was a great footballer.
He was a good footballer.
Well, he is a good footballer.
Yeah, he's still a good footballer.
He's nowhere near what he was.
But then again, it's one of them.
If someone started throwing 150 grand a week at you, would you be like, what?
Would you have that mentality?
Am I playing football at this point?
What I'm saying is, sometimes I'm not saying I can't blame the lad to ball.
You need to have, not have it, to realise what it's worth.
So obviously a normal job and then have it.
Like the Jamie Vardy.
So it's not taken to granted.
So all I'm thinking is, sometimes I can't blame the lad to ball, not try him because it's all I've ever known.
Not that I can blame him because you should put the f*** in.
It's just always frustrating to me because when you're seeing these footballers when they are only thousands a week.
And it's the worst thing, lazy footballers, isn't it?
Yeah.
Lazy footballers.
I get it, there's different levels of technicality, of natural ability.
But I mean, I remember when we was younger and we did play football all the time.
Being a roller foot player, I used to practice with my left foot more.
And I was better at kicking with my left foot in the end than the right foot.
Because you just practice and practice and you get, you just get better.
And when you see all these players that struggle to just control the ball and pass it 10, 15 yards.
When that's the only thing that they're meant to do.
It's just so frustrating.
You know, and obviously being a man you don't want to be a fan of too much.
Anyway, but Fred's leaving this season now anyway so we should be alright on that sense.
Just need Maguire to go as well.
F***ing hell.
I mean that cracks me up.
He chose to be a saint and everything.
Everyone's forgot about what happened in Greistow, haven't they?
What did he get charged for?
Well no, because he's just all been swept under the rug hasn't he?
F***ing slavhead.
But yeah, so back to Dele.
I want to believe everything that he says.
And obviously if everything did happen.
I know he didn't have the grant of bringing it anyway into what he was, he was adopted.
But hopefully that is all in the past now.
And that he can start getting back on the right track.
Because he was, I did use to enjoy watching him play.
Not so much, as I say, with the last couple of seasons when his head wasn't in the right place.
But hopefully that can bring out more of these players to come forward and start seeing therapists and everything.
So as I touched on with Jadon Sancho, if that's a thing that he's been going through.
Then hopefully that can start changing the way he's been playing as well.
I know a lot of you, because it's...
I don't want to say it in acidity, but football changed a good few years ago.
Where it's a softer game.
You used to have all the rows, Roy Keane and Patrick Vieira and the VHS faces.
The dog eyes and everything.
You don't see any of that no more.
That passion has gone.
And I think it pretty much is with today's youngsters, how they are a snowflake society.
You can't say anything negative to them.
So I think a lot of this dips in forms and going off the rails.
It is going to be because of that, because they can't handle the truth.
Because we don't know what the managers are saying behind the closed doors.
I've seen a couple of times with Arteta kicking things around and having them change rooms after a game.
And that's quite surprising because you don't expect to see in this day and age.
I think it's just on the individuality. Some players need an arm-rounder more than others.
Some people need a tie-knock more than others.
I think it is depending on the person and their personality.
Why lifts them up and why puts them down.
Yeah, but they are definitely all a lot softer compared to back in the day.
Could you imagine the logs of Billy Jones sitting there watching one of his teammates getting an arm-rounder
because they were crying a little bit because they didn't have a good game.
They were slapping them, having a ball at all or something.
It's an interesting one, but at least it's the first one.
If it is the case.
Not unburdening himself.
Yeah, come out with his issues.
Hopefully it does open the doorway for more of these players to start doing that.
Or even just to talk to people I suppose.
Yeah, I know a lot of clubs do have therapists and that anyway.
But just being open about things.
Obviously we've seen a lot of negativity on social media towards him.
And a lot of rashford and sacra and that.
After missing the penalties and whatnot.
But that stuff is just ridiculous. What was being said to them.
Yeah, it's just madness.
There's no space for any racism.
Just in anything these days.
It's a shame that there's still people with those genders.
I know it's an old-fashioned way of seeing the world and thinking about things.
You don't mock a person because of the colour of the skin.
Just be open about it.
You don't mock a police person because they're a dickhead.
That's all you need to think.
I've always been like, respect is earned both ways.
I don't mock people because of the way they are towards me or the way I see them towards other people.
I don't just see someone thinking that.
It's how they are within themselves and in their personal life.
I think going off of that then, it's been a bit of a...
I suppose it seemed more of a full rant-ing episode really.
I know it's not all been a rant.
No, it's just been...
I know he's saying it's...
I suppose a deep dive apart from what was the rant about these maps and fucking agents abusing school kids essentially.
It's been a dive into this week's dramas really.
Yeah, and it's always bad news on the news.
But we've gone over email.
Well, I think we should save that for the next episode.
Because we're doing a two-part today.
It might not be released directly after this, but we're both busy.
So we're doing two today.
And it's been 50 minutes.
We don't want all of them to be an hour and 10 minutes.
That's the way they're going.
So to be fair, fair play to you people at home that have listened to the full extent of us two agents just rambling on.
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