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We're ready, Kea?

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Good morning.

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This is Judge Kaplan.

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We will start our omnibus, albeit reduced omnibus, BlockFi hearing, set of hearings.

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Good morning, counsel.

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Let me have appearances, please.

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Good morning, Your Honor.

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Richard Canowitz, Haynes & Boone, proposed counsel for the debtors and debtors in possession.

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Along with me is Jordan Chavez of Haynes & Boone.

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All right.

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I'll take other appearances as counsel rise to speak.

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Your Honor, you are right.

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Today should be a rather straightforward day, and we would ask to proceed down the agenda

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in order.

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We are thankful for the constructive comments and resolution of matters by the Office of

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the United States Trustee, as well as the Official Committee of Unsecured Creditors.

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You'll see many, many red lines, but we are all in agreement that, subject to Your Honor's

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approval, these motions should be granted in accordance with those orders.

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That's fine.

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I appreciate the work of everybody through this morning, possibly.

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On the Zoom today is Mr. Mark Renzi.

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He was going to appear in person, but weather has trapped him in Boston.

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So we appreciate, Your Honor, allowing him to testify, if necessary, through Zoom.

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We don't anticipate any cross-examination, but for the record, he did have a second-day

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declaration that we'd ask to be submitted under.

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It supports various motions that we've made on the second day.

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I've read through the declaration.

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I'll accept counsel's proffer.

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I welcome Mr. Renzi's examination, Mr. Renzi, if needed.

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Let's see how we proceed.

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Thank you, Your Honor, and at this time, I would cede the podium to Ms. Chavez.

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All right.

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Good morning, Ms. Chavez.

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Good morning, Your Honor.

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For the record, Jordan Chavez with Haynes & Boone on behalf of the debtors.

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As Mr. Canowitz mentioned, we'd just like to highlight some of the changes we've made

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to the orders for Your Honor with the constructive comments we've received from the Committee

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and the U.S. Trustee.

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I do have copies of revised proposed orders for Your Honor for matters one through six

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on the agenda, if I may approach and provide those to you.

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Yes, please.

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Thank you.

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Your Honor, beginning on item number one of the agenda that we filed at docket number

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294 is our tax motion that we filed at docket number nine.

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We filed a notice of revised proposed order for the tax motion at docket number 267.

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The main changes to this order are on page three, we've just clarified that the debtors

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are authorized but not directed to also pay penalties that may have been incurred pre-petition

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for some taxes.

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And then paragraph six just adds the requested language from the SEC that was in the interim

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order that has been carried over to the final order.

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We did not receive any other comments from the Committee or the Trustee on this particular

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final order.

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We would ask that Your Honor grant the motion on a final basis and enter the proposed final

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order after the hearing.

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All right.

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As far as going forward this morning, Mr. Sponder, to the extent you have a specific

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concern that hasn't been addressed and you're working out the language or you want to apprise

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the Court of any specific issues, I'll just wait for you to come and approach the podium.

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Otherwise, I'll assume that the U.S. Trustee has signed off or has viewed the language

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in the proposals.

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Good morning, Your Honor.

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Jeff Sponder from the Office of the United States Trustee.

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To make it easy, the United States Trustee has signed off on all of these orders that

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are being presented today, Your Honor.

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Can't be easier than that.

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I was going to say the same for the Committee.

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Your Honor, Kenneth Allett of Brown-Rudnick proposed counsel for the Committee.

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The Committee likewise has signed off on all of the proposed orders for today.

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Is the result of all this acquiescence?

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Everybody was just busy watching football this weekend?

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Yeah.

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Go ahead.

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Please note the number of trees killed, please.

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All right.

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We had everything resolved before last night.

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Item number two on the agenda.

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Just a quick question, then.

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Will we be getting final orders, complete ones, later this morning?

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We're happy to submit that to Chambers if that's the easiest way for you, Your Honor.

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I think that's easiest.

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Sure.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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After the hearing, we'll submit all the proposed orders.

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Right.

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So we'll mark it granted in order to be submitted.

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Thank you, Your Honor.

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Number two is the utility motion that we filed at Dock at number 10.

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We did receive some informal comments from the United States Trustee, and we did add

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the Committee as a notice party.

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So the main changes for this order are in the Notice of Revised Proposed Order that

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we filed at Dock at number 293.

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Paragraph three is just clarifying the amount of adequate assurance deposit rather than

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just referencing 50% of the monthly amount.

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Again, added the Committee as a notice party.

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We imposed a duty on the debtors to set a hearing if there's delinquency notices that

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we cannot resolve or objections filed.

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And then paragraph eight just provides a service deadline of two days upon entry of the order

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to all of the utility parties.

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And then paragraph 11 is the SEC's requested language.

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Again, no objections were received to the utility motion, and we'll ask this Court

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to grant it on a final basis.

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All right, I'm just looking at the SEC language.

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We'll reserve that fun issue for another day.

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All right, again, we'll mark it in order to be submitted.

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Thank you, granted.

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Thank you, Your Honor.

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Item number three is the insurance motion that we filed at Dock at number 11.

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We did receive some informal comments from the Committee, from the Trustee, and from

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some of the insurance and sorority bond providers.

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We filed a notice of revised proposed order at Dock at number 268.

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The notable changes in that order, Your Honor, are paragraph five.

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We've agreed to give the Committee consent rights for payments that are proposed above

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$50,000.

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And the rest of the order is just clarifications from the insurance and bond providers and

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the carryover language from the interim order that it does not impact money transmitter

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bonds.

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No formal objections were received, and we'll ask the Court to grant this motion as well

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on a final basis.

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All right, granted, order to be submitted.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Your Honor.

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Number four is the claimants motion or critical vendor motion that was filed originally on

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the first day at Dock at number 13.

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We filed a revised proposed order at Dock at number 292 after comments were received

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from the U.S. Trustee and the Committee, and we've agreed to include on page five of the

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order some reporting requirements and objection rights.

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So upon entry of the order, we will provide the Committee and the Trustee within 30 days

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just an updated report on the spending that's proposed in the critical vendor order, and

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of course the SEC language we've carried over from the interim order.

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We've received no formal objections to the critical vendor motion and would ask Your

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Honor to grant that on a final basis as well.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Will market granted order be submitted?

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For counsel who are appearing remotely, I haven't forgotten about you all.

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If you wish to be heard, please just use the raise hand function.

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Otherwise, we'll just keep on proceeding.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Your Honor.

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Item number five is a new motion that we filed, so we're moving on now to our second, some

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of our second day motions, and this was to set up procedures for rejection of executory

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contracts and unexpired leases.

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This was filed at Dock at number 122.

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We did receive some informal comments that we incorporated into the proposed order that

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we revised and filed at Dock at number 290.

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The main changes in the procedures after receiving comments are that we received language from

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the U.S. Trustee that clarifies the procedures and adds the committee as a notice party.

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We agreed to give some consent rights to the committee for rejections, creating claims

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over a million dollars, and paragraph 2E adds the debtor's duty to set a hearing if we receive

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objections and provide at least seven days notice of such a hearing.

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And just to clarify, rejection dates for both personal property leases and real estate are

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all as of the initial notice date, unless there's an objection?

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Yes, Your Honor, and there's a really limited amount of real property leases, but to the

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extent we were requesting retroactive rejection as of the notice, that would, of course, be

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if the keys are turned over and the property's been returned to the applicable landlord.

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Thank you.

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Again, granted, OTBS.

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Thank you, Your Honor.

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My last item is number six, which is our administrative fee procedures.

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We filed this at Dock at number 123.

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We received some comments from the Trustee and the committee that we incorporated and

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filed a notice of revised proposed order at Dock at number 269.

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The main changes to the order are, of course, adding in the committee once they were appointed

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and all the requested language from the U.S. Trustee just to clarify the procedures if

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they were to want to object to any of the fees.

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And there were no other formal objections received to those procedures, and we would

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ask the Court to grant the order on a final basis.

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All right.

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Granted, consistent with prior orders on these matters that the Court has approved.

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All right.

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Granted an order to be submitted.

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Thank you, Counsel.

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Thank you, Your Honor.

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I'll turn the podium back over to Mr. Canowitz to handle items seven and eight.

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Okay.

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Again, for the record, Richard Canowitz, Haines & Boone, proposed counsel to debtors

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and debtors in possession.

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Your Honor, I'm handling what is known as the Ordinary Course Professional Motion as

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well as the Loan Servicing Motion.

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I have copies of the redlined orders if you would like.

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Yes, please.

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Absolutely.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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The Ordinary Course Professional Motion, Your Honor, at Docket 124, standard fare in these

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type of proceedings, much of the language can be found in other orders that you approved

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in the LTL case, for example.

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It's heavily marked by the U.S. Trustee's Office, not because it was deficient, but

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rather because we wanted some clarification on certain things.

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Two points to note that I would say is a takeaway that may be different.

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One here, we are asking for the authority to give post-petition retainers to certain

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professionals.

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For example, Linworth Johnson in Antigua requested a $20,000 retainer in connection

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with the proceedings down there.

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It was a foreign representation.

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He is not familiar with the proceedings here.

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He asked for it.

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We agreed, subject to your honor, approving.

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Okay.

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That's the only one we anticipate actually providing, but the motion is flexible that

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the extent someone else comes forward, we will do that on notice.

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So that's one takeaway that you might not see in other types of Ordinary Course Professional

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Motions.

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The second big picture item is the fact that after six months, we're going to look at

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the aggregate cap.

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We probably may have to come back to expand it, but the trustee wanted us to have a revisit

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of where we are after six months.

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So to the extent we think we're going to go above the aggregate cap, we need to enhance

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it, increase it, we'll come back and we'll deal with those issues.

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In advance.

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In advance, right.

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No retroact.

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If any professional goes over the aggregate cap or monthly cap for three months in a row,

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they're supposed to make application and get retained.

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All of the typical procedures that you would see that to the extent that a party is actually

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handling large matters, case administration issues, we'll come back and the appropriate

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retention applications if necessary.

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All right.

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So we ask that the court grant that motion and we will submit it as Nishada said after

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court.

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Thank you.

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We'll mark it.

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Again, granted, order to be submitted.

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The next motion, your honor, that I will handle is on docket 125.

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That's what's known as the loan servicing motion.

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This is for institutional loan portfolio only.

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This is not for retail clients as we make clear.

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The aggregate amount of potential institutional loans is north of 900 million.

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So we're talking about a large portfolio that the debtor deals with on a day-to-day

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basis.

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As you can see, there's typical loan servicing types of things in there such as collections,

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forbearance, extensions, workouts, to the extent that we want to ultimately take a haircut,

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if you will, on any of the loans.

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There's procedures to give notice based on the threshold.

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Under a million dollars, pretty much do what you want.

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Million to five million, we're giving notice for people to respond, especially the committee,

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see if we have an objection.

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And then, of course, if there are any objections, about five million, put it out on notice for

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a hearing before your honor, if necessary.

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But this will allow the debtor to have flexibility to do things in the ordinary course.

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As you can imagine, many of the counterparties are distressed themselves, and we want to

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realize the highest value without litigation and court costs if possible.

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But to the extent we have to, we will come back to court.

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Loan servicing is all undertaken in-house?

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Yes.

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The debtor has extensive both financial and legal capabilities.

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And they've been doing this without us, without us bankruptcy lawyers.

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So this motion is just really a handoff back to them of what they've been doing, and doing

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it competently and well, for the benefit of the estate.

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So counsel that would be pursuing collection remedies or workouts or other efforts are

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part of the ordinary course professionals, for the most part?

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To the extent that we might need a specific collection lawyer in a specific jurisdiction,

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we would add that to the ordinary course professional.

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That's my contemplation.

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If it becomes something much larger, of course we'll come back to court if we believe that

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it runs afoul of any of your honors orders.

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The other thing to note about this motion is BlockFi International has some institutional

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loan portfolios.

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The JPLs out of Bermuda were hesitant in connection with this motion.

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That's why you'll see throughout the motion and the order there are certain carve-outs.

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And likewise, that we agree that they must seek orders in their court so that they become

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comfortable with what we're doing if it impacts BlockFi International loan.

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We don't believe there are many loans that fall into that bucket, but notwithstanding

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that fact, we want to make one motion, put it before your honor, to cover the enterprise

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as opposed to separate debtors.

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And again, just for clarification, maybe for the participants who are watching, this does

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not concern the retail customers?

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Nope.

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Correct.

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It's made clear in the motion and the wrap.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, your honor.

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And now it's...

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The motion will be granted, order to be submitted.

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Thank you, your honor.

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I'll see the podium.

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Good morning.

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Good morning, your honor.

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Francis Petrie of Kirkland, Post-Council for the Debtors.

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I'll be taking us through the next few items on the agenda, all of which bring us back

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to final orders for relief that was already granted on the first day of these cases.

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We filed revised proposed orders on the docket approximately 48 hours ago.

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The orders have not changed since then.

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However, I do have red lines to the forms of final order that we filed with the original

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motions for convenience.

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May I approach?

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Yes, please.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Your honor, so the first item is the order on NOLs or equity trading procedures.

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There have been no material updates to the language of this order from the interim stage.

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This has been circulated to the U.S. Trustee and the committee, and they are signed off

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on it as represented.

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In addition, I can confirm to address your concerns at the first day hearing that the

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equity holders that are implicated by this order were all served with the motion and

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the interim order on December 1st and had notice of this final hearing.

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Nobody spoke up or provided comments.

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So unless your honor has any questions, I respectfully ask you to enter this order on

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a final basis.

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Just a quick question.

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The order contemplates sending out advance notice of the procedures to all equity holders,

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correct?

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Not just the ones who are currently 4.5%?

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Yes.

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Then, in the back of my mind, it's not on for today.

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When we had one of the motions with respect to redaction, it was to limit notice to equity

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holders, was it not?

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I thought there was a pending motion, and it seemed inconsistent, that it would be too

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burdensome on the debtor to notice all equity holders because you were not sure who's holding

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the stock on a specific date.

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I was wondering if it's too burdensome then, why are we able to do it now?

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Unless I have that other motion wrong.

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Your Honor, Jordan Chavez for the record.

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On the first day, we filed a motion to waive the requirement to file an equity holder list.

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So that was the relief we were seeking in addition to consolidation and redaction.

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I thought there was a requirement, too, to waive the notice of requirement of future

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events that occurred during the bankruptcy, from financing to disclosure on equity holders.

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Do I have it wrong?

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Your Honor, I'd have to go back and look at the language, but I think what Mr. Petrie

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is saying through the NOL motion, and now that the dust has settled, I think we are

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able to serve the equity holders with this type of notice in order to get this relief

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that is very much needed for the debtors.

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Maybe we just revisit that other motion.

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I thought it was more expansive.

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I thought it referenced how difficult and cumbersome it would be to serve all equity

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holders, and it seemed inconsistent.

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So we can revisit that.

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That's obviously being deferred.

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So we can revisit that at a later point.

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I definitely revisit that in the order.

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As you can imagine, we're in less of a scramble now than we were when we were initially filing

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this case.

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So we'll discuss the actual terms of that form of order going forward.

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All right.

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So this motion will be granted, order to be submitted.

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Thank you, Your Honor.

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Okay, so next is the debtor's final wages order.

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Again, there's no significant changes from the interim stage.

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The red line changes all reflect from forming edits to the entered order – the entered

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interim order.

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We discussed this order with parties in interest, the U.S. Trustee, and the committee, and they've

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all signed off.

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So unless Your Honor has any questions, again, we respectfully ask that you grant the relief

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requested on a final basis.

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I do not review it initially.

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The motion will be granted.

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I would say just even if there's been no changes to the order, send us down all the

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orders from today's hearings in one package so we have clarity.

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We'll be sure to do that, Your Honor.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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And so next is the debtor's final cash management order.

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The changes reflected in this red line show comments from certain cash management banks

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that wanted to clarify their relationships with the debtors, comments from the committee

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about the ability to move crypto externally outside of the ordinary course wallets and

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custodians that the company currently does things with, and comments from the United

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States Trustee.

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Some of these are conforming changes from the interim order, as discussed, but others

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are updating the order for the current state of affairs with regards to complying with

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the 345B guidelines and the debtor's post-petition obligations.

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I'd like to note that the U.S. Trustee did file a formal objection to this order, but

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we believe we've resolved that objection by adjusting the requested super priority status

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of the intercompany loans to administrative priority.

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I spoke to Mr. Sponder of the Office of the U.S. Trustee, and he's comfortable believing

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that we have resolved this objection with this form of order.

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So unless, Your Honor, there's any questions with this being consensual, we ask that you

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grant the relief sought here on a final basis.

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All right.

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So, Mr. Sponder, it does address the concern on the super priority nature of intercompany

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loans that you had?

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Good morning again, Your Honor.

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Jeff Sponder from the Office of the United States Trustee.

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It does.

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Okay.

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Then I'll – will mark it granted with the limited objection the U.S. Trustee was – having

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been resolved.

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Thank you, Your Honor, and we'll submit all of these to chambers after the hearing.

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Thank you.

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With that, I'll turn the podium over to committees' counsel.

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All right.

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Good morning, Your Honor.

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Again, Kenneth Allett of Brown-Rudnick, proposed counsel to the committee.

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I am joined by Don Clark of Genova-Burns, proposed local counsel to the committee.

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With me also in the courtroom is a member of the committee, Corey Grossman.

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I just wanted to note that Mr. Stark, my partner, spoke a lot at the previous hearing about

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how diligent the committee is, and even though this is a fully consensual hearing today,

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the committee still felt it was important, and Mr. Grossman is here.

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And Mr. Grossman is –

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Good morning, Your Honor.

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Good morning.

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Welcome.

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Thank you.

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As discussed, the committee does not object to any of the second-day motions that are

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being entered today.

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We appreciate the ability to get our informal comments on those resolved.

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The only thing for the committee today is, if Your Honor is prepared, we have a consent

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order on the committee's motion to intervene in the next meeting.

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I did see that.

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It was submitted to chambers this morning.

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Yeah, I looked through it.

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I have no objection to it.

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We'll be entering that order.

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Okay.

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And that's all for the committee, Your Honor.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Canowitz.

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Yes, Your Honor.

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Dan Richard Canowitz, Hansen-Buhn, proposed counsel of debtors and possession.

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I think, given the committee intervention, I think it's good to circle back from our

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last hearing just to give you a status update of where we are.

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I'm not going to talk about anything on the merits.

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No party has to worry about what I'm going to say, but if they want to chime in, if to

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the extent they're on Zoom, so be it.

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Coming out of last hearing, Your Honor made certain, I would say, admonishments, directions.

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I hope that the parties and parties in interest heard them.

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I can tell you that the FTX debtors have requested from Judge Dorsey has been granted to mark

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off without date their motion to stay.

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We'll be in contact with them in due course.

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Likewise, our motion to preclude certain testimony in that proceeding in connection with their

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stay motion was also adjourned without date.

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So we are not facing a January 20th motion in Judge Dorsey's courtroom.

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Because two, the JPLs in Antigua are proceeding on the petition, the windup petition there

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on January 27th.

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We were compelled to file papers by January 9th in connection with that proceeding.

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Our papers are very straightforward.

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We don't object to the windup per se.

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We object to the language in direction 4.3 that was pointed out in prior pleadings filed

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in this court that would touch upon the pledge issue.

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We've asked for a stay of that portion of that windup petition to the extent they could

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do that, or alternatively a forum nonconvenience argument since the pledge agreement has arbitration

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in New York under Delaware law.

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We do not know what's going to happen down there.

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On the 27th, it may go forward.

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It may be assigned to another judge.

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We will report back once we know what the outcome is there.

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We've also had discussions with all the various parties about the proposed amended complaint

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that we are going to be filing.

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At this time, it was our goal to file the amended complaint by January 20th.

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We have a draft in process.

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It may be delayed for the following reason.

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We had a very, from my perspective, productive call with the Department of Justice, both

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the criminal side as well as the civil side, and their bankruptcy counsel as well.

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They would like to take a look at our amended complaint.

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Clearly they have the seizure and forfeiture in mind.

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We are not making the government a defendant in the adversary proceeding.

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In fact, we're not making the FTX debtors a defendant in the adversary proceeding.

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This amended complaint will address emergent, and whoever speaks for emergent will come

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to court and speak for emergent in this court.

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Likewise, again, it's MARICS, and it will explain in further detail all of the relief

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we seek in that amended complaint.

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We got on the phone before we spoke with the DOJ, with the defendants, among others, in

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connection with the intervention motion, if you will, by the committee, because it led

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to a natural discussion.

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We agreed that we're filing the amended complaint.

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We're not going to try to jam anyone.

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The only under your honor's scheduling order was February 15th to respond to the complaint.

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We agreed to move that back to March 15th.

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To the extent that the DOJ and the state is discussing the amended complaint for the purposes

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of, again, your honor, to try to limit litigation and to not step on toes, we're respectful

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of their process and hopefully they're respectful of our process.

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But to the extent that we need to move forward on the amended complaint, we're going to try

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to work things out with the DOJ.

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If not, we'll file it.

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But as to the defendants, we'll give them whatever time they need to respond.

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So right now, the goal is hopefully to file this by January 20th, if it gets pushed a

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little.

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Likewise, the response date is from February 15th to March 15th.

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And I believe we should come before your honor, hopefully on January 30th, with a request

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to amend your honor's order for the pre-trial schedule.

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And it was really straightforward.

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And then, of course, adjourn the pre-trial conference that's on for some time later anyway.

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So we're not going to trip any deadlines in this court, but I want to give parties an

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understanding of what's at play here.

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The government has requested certain things, and I think it's incumbent upon us to at least

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discuss with them their concerns, if any, in connection with the amended complaint.

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Fair enough.

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I appreciate the update.

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I think others listening in also benefit by it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Gary.

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And then the last is just really to tie up the loose ends in connection with the adjournment

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of the two motions.

487
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,880
Yeah.

488
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,360
That's what I wanted to go over our upcoming schedule a bit.

489
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:26,360
Yeah.

490
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:31,320
So the reduction of the PII, which is docket four, and the sealing of confidential parties,

491
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:37,240
which is docket 127, those have been carried to the March omnibus hearing date, your honor,

492
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,240
to March 13th, I believe.

493
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,240
I'm sorry.

494
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,080
So docket number four, which was the reduction of the, oh, 127?

495
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,080
Yes.

496
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,080
Okay.

497
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:50,800
And notwithstanding those adjournments, your honor, to the extent that the Office of the

498
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:56,360
United States of the Trustee has an objection to professional retention applications, and

499
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:02,280
their deadline is the 23rd of January, notwithstanding that those motions haven't been heard, nothing

500
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:07,200
will prohibit the court from entering orders retaining the professionals.

501
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,920
So it's sort of like a subject, too, right?

502
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,920
Right.

503
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:10,920
You'll enter the order, hopefully.

504
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,880
Hopefully, there won't be any objections, and we'll submit the order.

505
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,400
But to the extent we have a hearing, and you overrule objections, these objections will

506
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:23,160
be still outstanding, subject to your honor's ruling on these motions when and if we'll

507
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:28,480
deal with disclosures that must be required to be done after that ruling.

508
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,120
So if we could work it out with you, as trustee, in connection with these motions, you won't

509
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,400
have a motion to be heard.

510
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:39,400
If we can't, one day you will decide it, and we will apply accordingly your honor's ruling

511
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,160
to whatever disclosures we made.

512
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,440
But the retentions will have been hopefully granted before that.

513
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,960
Essentially, reservation of rights.

514
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,120
I'll leave it to the U.S. trustee to explain their thought process on what's going on with

515
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,160
the process, but it really was we couldn't be in a cash 22 where we adjourn something,

516
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,760
and then the retention applications get held up pending determination.

517
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:02,760
It's similar.

518
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,640
We had an LTL, and the U.S. trustee's office was very effective in working out an arrangement

519
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,480
to reserve rights pending the court having a chance to look at the issue.

520
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,480
So that's fine.

521
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,440
So unless anybody has come, including U.S. trustee, I think that captures the intent

522
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,120
of the parties with the adjournment and how it relates to the retention apps.

523
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:29,760
As far as, let me just double check, because we have two dates coming up in January, the

524
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,000
24th and the 30th.

525
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:45,240
The 24th, from what I could tell, is the wallet issue and the retention program.

526
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,800
Those are still planned on the 24th, or are we moving to the 30th?

527
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,720
I didn't know if you all want to consolidate the 24th and 30th, or how you want to proceed.

528
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,280
No, we've still got two court dates between now and the 30th.

529
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,880
We're still in discussions with all parties about what will be heard on each of those

530
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,800
dates, but we've been working with your chambers, who have been very accommodating to us.

531
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,520
So we'll work out scheduling as soon as possible.

532
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,520
That's fine.

533
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:18,720
Just to let you all know, I just had a calendar issue, if I could find it.

534
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,600
I am speaking at a town hall.

535
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:26,040
Welcome to attend remotely, 12 to 1 o'clock on the 30th.

536
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,720
So if you don't think we have enough time to handle the matters in the morning before

537
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:36,040
the 12 to 1, I would do it in the afternoon when we have more time, on the 30th, from

538
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,600
1.30 on to the afternoon.

539
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,760
So take a sense of the time you'll need and add more.

540
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,240
So all right.

541
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,480
Then I think this was relatively straightforward.

542
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:57,320
Anyone remote attending through Zoom wish to be heard on any issues?

543
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,320
Your Honor, it's Robert Starr.

544
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,320
Yes.

545
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,720
I just wish to apologize for not being in the courtroom and thanking your Honor and your

546
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:11,120
staff for allowing me to provide some of my medical issues.

547
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,120
Not a problem.

548
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,120
This was easy and straightforward.

549
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,800
As easy as extra points in football.

550
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:16,800
All right.

551
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,160
So thank you all.

552
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,160
And we're adjourned.

553
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:19,920
Thank you, Your Honor.

