What are you, Fugazi?
Nice!
Well done.
That's disturbed, right?
Yes.
Lord.
Or Fugazi.
I don't know which one.
Unbelievable.
And if you can't tell, this is the second half of the podcast.
Thanks, Geoff, for overpouring.
Yeah.
I had nothing to do with that.
Well done.
I blame Paul because he's the one who's overpouring.
This is June 14th.
Students like us, we finished the first half talking about how our kids are ungrateful about...
Entitled.
They're entitled.
Delirious.
Because we sent them to college and...
They look like kings and queens.
After college, it's...
And they're the future of this country.
They are, but where were we after college?
And we're screwed.
We were struggling.
I was broke.
Yeah, we were all broke after college.
I mean, it's nothing the way the kids have it now.
They will be broke because, well, hopefully they won't be.
We'll see what happens.
They won't be because you'll fund them.
And they're the perfect...
Well, we will.
I will fund them.
They're the perfect byproduct of our design.
Oops, we're at fault.
Right.
So, I mean, we had...
Landmine.
...Jeff, one of the dudes on Gus, was talking about one of the first jobs he had was working
at a place where there's tires.
Because every time we go to the Costco, Jeff's got a
sense of smell in those tires, walking by there is...
He's like, I can't handle it.
I can't handle it.
I gotta...
Keep walking.
I'm going to throw up.
Yeah.
Seriously.
And I get that because there are sounds, there are smells that trigger our past that just
make us...
I mean, I get it.
Well, this is a smell.
I worked in a tire warehouse, and it had five million tires in it.
And I worked there...
Wow.
That's a lot of tires.
Yeah.
And just imagine, you walk by Costco, there's maybe, I don't know, 300 tires maybe?
I've never really thought about that.
You walk in there and...
I've never counted.
...this warehouse had millions of tires.
And it was terrible.
But no, no, let's put this in perspective.
Do you think there's 300 tires in Costco?
No, there's got to be more than 300 tires.
I have no idea.
I don't know.
In that area right there, I bet there's probably two, 300 tires right there.
I've never gone into the tire section, ever.
Yeah, it's not as big as you think.
Mistakes.
Probably two, three...
It smells like rubber.
Yes.
It smells like tire.
And magnify that by a thousand.
Kind of like when you late at night come home with your...
You know, this is...
I know.
I think I know what you're going with.
Anyway, I don't want to get back into...
Not the same rubber.
I don't want to get back into the whole tire warehouse story, but...
The point where you fart and it smells like rubber?
No.
Yeah.
All right, go on, Charlie.
What I want to...
Your farts smell like rubber?
Mine don't.
Yeah, he does.
Mine does.
He smells like...
No, no, Paul...
It smells like combo burners.
Paul lubes up his farts.
Mine smell like rubber.
Mine smells like bubbles out, like Sean's did downstairs.
Cranberries, cherries.
Lime lock.
Mine smells like a stone fruit.
Teak wood.
No, no, maybe an egg.
Okay, can you move on?
Anyway...
Good Lord.
Stone fruit.
It's not a peach.
Anyway...
You smell of tires every time you came home.
Yeah, so anyway, I don't want to get back into that one, but I want to talk about some
of the first jobs we had, whether through high school, through college, and maybe immediately
after college, if we didn't get into our regular workload.
Real job.
Real job that we're doing today, right?
Because I know I've held quite a few that have been not real good, right?
And the tire warehouse was one of them.
And I'll lead this off.
The other one that I think of is I worked for the county fairgrounds the summer between
I graduated high school and before I left college.
So I was 18.
And it was my job to prepare the county fairgrounds for the county fair.
Right.
And what that meant is painting buildings, painting...
Oh, wow.
These big display barns.
They're basically like big barns is what they were.
Right.
It was my job.
And this guy...
So I went there and I was getting...
It was me and some other guy, both 18.
And he hired a bunch of homeless guys as well.
Oh, wow.
So it was me...
So it bundled you in with a bunch of homeless guys.
Correct.
And they'd come smelling the booze.
And I'm not saying they weren't hard workers, but they were there to get money to go buy
more booze.
Did you drink booze with them?
No, I did not.
No, did not.
Did you want to?
No, I did not.
And these guys were nice.
They treated me fine and everything like that.
He just won't bite.
But you know, I wasn't really exposed to that, right?
You know, these guys lived on the street, just alcoholics, hard core.
I'll suck you real good.
Right?
And they're there.
That makes extra money.
And their life was...
So it was eye opening for you.
It was.
And I was there and we were painting these.
We were up on these three-story scaffolding, painting this stuff.
Good Lord.
Three stories?
Yeah, three stories.
That's like OSHA warranty.
And the alcoholic built the scaffolding.
Great.
Oh, wow.
So he's like, I was a painter at one time and I know how to do all this stuff.
So he built it and it was fine.
We didn't follow anything.
But anyway, some of the stuff we had to do was we had to build the demolition derby track
or whatever you want to call it, pit or whatever you want to call it, arena.
And part of that was to line the arena with...
Tires.
No, with telephone poles.
No, I was being serious.
Sorry.
Telephone poles.
Oh, okay.
Are those the ones that have been soaked?
Soaked in creosote.
Oh, good Lord.
So these things are soaked in creosote and we had to cut some down.
And I don't know if you've ever tried to use a chainsaw with it.
Creosote.
Creosote soaked.
Yeah, it doesn't work very well.
It does not.
No, in fact, that's like a horrible way to do it.
That'll slip right off onto your leg.
Yeah, and I remember there were about four or five of us down there and one guy had the
chainsaw and he's trying to cut this thing and it was not happening very well and it
just took forever.
And we finally got it cut down and we had to lift the telephone pole, somewhere full
size, so we're having to carry these telephone poles, which are extremely heavy.
My God.
Because it's a log for one thing, but then it's soaked in all this creosote.
So we're having to carry this.
And you get cancer on that trip.
Oh, no shit.
How many years of your life was being sapped every moment you carried this thing?
Right, and one of the things-
Because I think those things are also, and now we're gone.
I'm trying to think what chemicals-
Well, anyways, they gave us gloves because they're like, yeah, the creosote's really
bad for you.
Oh.
Yeah.
Oh, how about the-
So they're like, oh, you're wearing short sleeves, so it's all up on your arms, all
that.
Oh, it's in your face.
Yeah, I have gloves.
Yeah, I have gloves, so it's not on my hands, but it's all on my arms.
No gloves, no gloves.
Right.
Wow.
So we did that.
And so that was a full afternoon, all day, 10 hours of just lifting logs and moving them
around.
And the other day was, or this is just another day, is we had to re-black-
Arsenic.
That was the other chemical.
Oh, yeah.
Oh.
It's bad.
Yeah, I heard that.
Creosote, but arsenic's even worse.
Yeah, creosote's bad.
That's why it's twitchy.
Because arsenic's-
That's why my hair turned gray so young, is why.
Oh, there we go.
It tricks your dick, too.
Yeah.
It explains a lot of things, actually.
Could explain that as well.
But the other one was-
Enlarges your butt.
This is one of those life lessons that I've tried to pass down to the kids.
So we had to re-black-top a section of road.
Oh, the tar.
And it was the really thin tar.
Was this in Ohio?
It was in Ohio.
Right.
Thank God.
So it was, we had a big 55-gallon barrel of this stuff.
And it wasn't black-top, it was the really runny-
Sealer.
It's a sealant.
Tar.
Yeah.
Right?
That we would place on top of it to kind of help fill in the cracks.
And it was all, when it was done, it would look great.
It was black, and it was smooth.
But you could run it, we had squeegees.
Yeah.
And we were just running it out.
Oh my God.
Well, I had shorts on that day.
Oh no.
And I learned when I got home that this stuff splatters, and you just can't pick tar out
of your leg hairs.
No, it's still there.
I can see it on your leg now.
You have to cut it out.
I thought that was a shit stain.
Yeah.
We've been wondering, what are those black dots all over your legs?
So I had all these little balls.
I didn't realize he was wearing a thong.
It was shorts.
Right.
So I had all these little balls all over my legs, and it was these tar balls all over
my leg hairs.
My God, how horrible.
And it was terrible.
And I was trying to pull them out at first, and I was like, this is terrible.
So I had my mom having to cut all these things out of my legs.
You shaved your legs.
No, I didn't shave, but she had to cut all these tar balls.
Did she cut them or shave?
No, she cut them out.
Don't you dare move to the balls, Sean.
No.
I was wearing shorts.
The balls were protected.
Okay.
There.
There was no tar on the paint.
It was between creases and folds, you know?
Right.
No, it was-
Is this when transgender thoughts came into play?
No, I did not want to be a woman at that point.
Okay.
No.
Oh, so what point was it?
It was later.
He did kind of lead into that.
At that point in life, I had not thought about it yet.
So we had to do that.
Well, you could see it cutting off balls.
But you know, it was labor, right?
It was hard labor that we were doing, and we had to-
I thought it was hot.
It was during the summer, right?
Oh, of course.
Because the fair was in August.
So through June, so when I graduated in May, so June and July-
How heavy were you back then?
Were you-
I was under 200 pounds.
Under 200?
Yeah.
He was ripped.
He was chiseled.
Were you like, what was your daily diet?
I mean, you're working at the fair, so to speak.
I couldn't tell you.
I was in the fair.
Were there funnel cakes and corn dogs?
Corn dogs.
During the fair, yeah, that's what I was eating.
Yeah.
But during the-
No, but he was young, and he was like, eating in shape.
I was 18.
Totally in shape.
I was 18, right?
I was in shape.
Yeah.
And now it would kill me.
But-
He was carrying around telephone poles, for God's sake.
Yeah.
And another thing is-
Double-fist and corn dogs.
You know, you hear about people being country strong.
Richard Martin.
You hear about people being country strong.
I understand that because we had to- this huge truck showed up with probably 500 bales
of hay.
Oh my God.
And it was my job to unload it with a couple other guys.
So there was one guy up top who was flinging them off, and they had these cables wrapped
around them.
There's full bales of hay.
I don't know how much they weigh, 40, 50 pounds a piece, at least.
Oh my God.
And it was our job to take them off of this and then stack them.
So we were carrying them and stacking them and throwing them up.
Good.
And it was- that's what I did all day.
And at the end of the day, that was probably the worst I felt after the day, after doing
that.
And this is all for a whopping $7 an hour?
Not even that.
No, no way.
Hello, do you know how the pyramids were built?
Please.
Not even that.
Probably minimum wage.
What'd they get paid?
Probably three and a quarter.
Not dying.
Yeah.
Right.
Breath.
I probably got three and a half to four bucks an hour.
That's unbelievable.
Yeah, I love how we still have like Rockefellers and people who made their fortune killing
people for zero cents and zero protection, zero OSHA to make their fortune.
Like they were in a specific time in the period of lack of legislation where they could kill
you to make a fortune.
Right.
And you're saying their descendants are still living-
Right.
Yeah.
Total opulence.
And these are the revolutionaries of our time.
I'm like, great.
You're no different than the pharaohs who killed people to build the pyramids.
Great.
Good for you.
But by the way, enjoy your riches, but own it.
Yeah, yeah, my dad was a modern day slave owner.
That's okay.
Own it.
Right.
Just keep your money, but own it.
What were the reparations on that?
None.
Yeah.
Because that's, by the way, so-
That's almost trackable.
I love his story.
We're not going to lose track of where we are with kids today.
We're going to divert for a second to say that's when unions were a good thing because
people were abused and-
There was a use for it.
Well, unions are coming back.
No, no.
Okay, so I disagree then because in a time they made sense.
There was no Osha.
There was no thing.
You climbed skyscrapers.
You built the Empire stamp building.
You died and you got nothing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now there are entities that are supposed to cover that kind of stuff.
Right.
Now there's fair play.
I'm like, we don't need unions anymore.
Yeah, but they are coming back.
That's what's interesting.
But why?
There's no abuse.
Where?
Starbucks has battled with it.
Amazon has battled with it.
They're trying.
I'm just saying there seems to be a push for more unionization.
How do you lobby that when you make 15 to 20 an hour to move a box from here to here?
I just know that I'm reading more and more about unions in the news.
I think they're trying, right?
Because you've got these huge conglomerates like Amazon.
Well, what's the benefit of having a union?
Well, back in the day it was-
The board gets rich.
Well, no, back in the day it was my father died up on this thing.
He can't provide anymore.
You're not going to give us anything.
They were physically at threat of dying.
So that was the spirit of it.
An Amazon employee stands.
I've been to their fulfillment centers.
They stand.
A robot brings something.
They pick it up and they move it to there.
You're not in harm.
Oh my God, that sounds awful.
You're in climate controlled.
You have all these things.
You're getting 15 or 20 an hour to do no mental thing.
Sorry.
But that is not today's deal.
What you are is you're saying Amazon's making ridiculous money turning me into a stool pigeon.
I'm jealous so I want to sue them.
That's not appropriate.
I think any union in 2022, you're going to have a hard case to tell me you need to exist.
That's my platform.
I think the one Amazon worker that's listening to our podcast would be very disagreeable
with what I would love for them to convince me.
And if they do, I'll go I'm wrong.
But right until you can their counterpoint, right?
You know, Amazon is such a big why?
It's such a big company that that there's probably a million different roles.
Right.
Okay.
But I have heard consistently they push, they push, they push, not necessarily the factory
workers, the drivers.
They have serious metrics.
The drivers.
Yes, the drivers are held to these these metrics.
I literally and the reason why I know this is because when I watch the guys pull up,
they run to the door, they run to the truck and they speed off.
I'm like, dude, dude, really?
Are you being held to something that or are they trying where they're taking a shit in
a can, right?
Or the truck or are they are they trying to hit their own numbers to get like a big bonus?
I don't know.
Okay.
I'm not being personally motivated.
But that also turns into driving recklessly.
Correct.
Sure.
But I have heard stories where the drivers are like, what the fuck?
Listen, can we keep up with this?
You don't you don't think Amazon's legal counsels analyzing all of that and knowing
those outcomes.
You would think so.
And if a guy chooses a guy or gal chooses one way or the other, they know it doesn't
even make sense to chip cheat someone out of two dollars an hour to get sued for 10
million dollars.
Especially when they're making as much money as they are.
So they're not doing that.
Yeah.
Maybe you're right.
Look, if you're playing the long game like in A to Z, Jeff Bezos does.
He was schlepping books in 1991.
He grew this thing.
Everyone wants to hate him now.
He grew a concept that was stupid.
He's like, I'm going to sell books.
Right.
Yeah, that's right.
Because it has the most inventory and people will like it.
Amazon with their smile from A to Z, right, how they do everything, everything.
He was smart enough to do an amazing thing.
Now we're all mad at him because he makes like a bazillion dollars in one second that
we don't make.
Fuck that.
I hate people that hate democracy, that hate a guy that, oh, you're too successful now.
So suck it.
Now, look, they're paying 15, 18, 20 dollars an hour.
You have a job that is whatever stress level you want to choose for the aspirational bonus
or not.
Right.
You pick it, you voluntarily accept it, you go, you do.
By the way, at 501, you don't think about work.
Right.
How many of us at 501 are still thinking about work?
Oh yeah, Bezos is still thinking about work.
A lot of people are.
And that's, by the way, that's okay.
Just I don't want the double standard of I want the compensation of people who think
about work at 501, but I don't want to think about work at 501.
So, right.
So I get what Bezos built.
He built this amazing dynasty.
And he has transformed our world for the better.
He has, except, have you seen the rocket he built?
It's shaped like a penis.
It looks like the most grotesque penis I've ever seen.
But you know what?
But that's the most optimal design for penetration.
And you have to penetrate through the atmosphere.
That's true.
We have cosmos and biology.
Through the vagina layer.
But it's true.
And Elon Musk didn't design his like that.
Well that's because he decided not to make it like a shape like a penis.
So what does his look like?
A vagina.
No, that's more like a parachute.
It can't.
That's coming down the shape of a vagina.
It looks like a mildly, well time out, a mildly inverted vagina.
Oh, gotcha.
All right, well why does it bother you that Jeff Bezos decided to build his like a penis?
Why does that bother you?
I'm joking.
I was making a joke.
Sidebar, does everyone remember about six years ago when Elon was almost broke?
Oh yeah.
He went bankrupt once or twice.
Like Tesla had the batteries and SpaceX was crashing and no one cared about him and now
he's on top.
But no one remembers he did like could any of you sleep at night the way he had to not
sleep at night?
Right.
No.
Well he doesn't sleep a whole lot.
Period.
I mean his brain works on different levels.
I think one of you guys sent me this where he, a YouTuber was interviewing him.
I sent that to you.
Yes, that was fascinating.
If that was real, it looked real.
Yeah.
Well it was like he's talking about the engines and how they were needing some sort of apparatus
for the transfer.
And he was like, yeah those are going to have those and arguably they need them on the other
ones too now that he started thinking about it.
And thank you.
You think he said thank you?
Yes he did.
He absolutely did.
What's funny is the guy said something he goes, well that's just for the boosters what
about for the main rocket?
You could see Elon's going.
Yes.
He literally starts to talk and he stops and he goes, well that's a good point.
It was amazing.
It was an amazing moment.
And then he concedes and says thank you.
And then he goes, we're going to fix that.
And then I guess they had a follow up interview later, like months later.
That it worked, whatever that idea was.
That's beautiful leadership.
You don't have all the answers.
Right.
Listen, I do this with my employees.
I say here's my opinion.
Right.
Prove me I'm wrong.
Right.
And they get to go and then I go, fuck that's way better.
And we high five and we go do it.
Right.
Like that's how you, it's not about you or you or you.
It's about the collective advancing.
Right.
And to pivot back to Jeff, I think a lot of Jeff's stories are about working hard in uncomfortable
situations.
Right.
So I have a theory for this generation, which we are all the same, we're raising kids in
and my theory is called the suffer index.
Okay.
And when we grew up, the suffer index was naturally occurring.
Right.
And what that meant was we grew up, whether our home was solid or broken, abusive orphanage
or normal.
When you couldn't afford something, there was a hit behind the back of your head that
said dumb ass, we can't afford that.
And the bad guy was this nameless faceless thing called society.
And we were a certain station in life.
And we just didn't ask for those things.
And we grew up and we worked hard manually, whatever, at a job, whether it was Dunkin'
Donuts or building a house or doing what we did.
Well, then we all advanced on the back of that tar in our legs and the shit we did.
Right.
And then our kids don't, because we aspire deep down, Jeff, we don't want our kids to
do that.
Deep down in some ways, we hope they don't have to experience that.
I think I'm different.
I want my boys to experience.
Well, now you do.
But subconsciously, your intention was, I don't want you to I want you to achieve the
same.
You want something better for your kids.
Right.
And so I want them maybe not necessarily do what I did, but I want them to go out and
have the struggles that we did.
At least just replace that with suffer index.
That's my coin.
At least before before their real job.
Correct.
But the suffer index is in result with the suffer index.
So the suffer index is needed.
Right.
Everyone needs to go do things that terrify them, that hurt them, that make them struggle
and test their fortitude.
That make them go, man, I want to quit.
And then they don't.
Right.
Because what I don't want to happen, and here's my mindset, is I don't want them to get to
the point where they graduate college, then all of a sudden, reality smacks them in the
face.
I want them to know what reality looks like now.
Well, I did.
Right.
So when they graduate and they're like, well, how come I'm not just given a job making this
much money and I can afford this apartment or this house or this car?
That's not reality.
I'm supposed to have all that stuff.
Right.
Well, where's it all at?
I used to have all this stuff.
It's been given to me.
I don't really understand where all that money's come from.
Right.
All this stuff.
I want my boys to experience some of that upfront, maybe not to the extent that I did,
but to experience it and at least understand it.
So when they do graduate college, and maybe they're lucky, there's exceptions out there
to the rule, but the majority of people graduate and it's a struggle.
And I don't want them to be shocked by that.
That's where I want to help them to understand that.
Man, this is a great topic and I couldn't agree more.
The hard part is we have to manufacture that struggle as parents.
Today we do.
Because it's not naturally occurring in the United States.
It's especially not naturally occurring in the Frisco bubble.
Correct.
Listen, you grew up in Ohio.
I was born in Ohio.
I grew up in Rochester, New York, but poor.
Where we live is so not real.
It's not a real representation of the United States of America in any shape.
It is top 1%.
If you want to put it to 3% because it's not Malibu or Manhattan, it is ridiculous.
And these kids don't know any different.
They don't know.
So here's the problem.
The other book I want to write is My Children's Villain.
The greatest villain in my child's life is me.
When we were growing up, the villain was the man, society.
We can't afford X.
So it's this nameless, faceless villain that you don't get mad at.
We just say, hit him in the head.
We can't afford that.
That's not our place.
My kids, your kids, all of your kids know we can buy them just about anything they want.
And we do.
No?
So when you don't, so listen Paul, when we don't, their child lodging.
My toy, not theirs.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I got confused.
Well listen.
This is what I do.
This makes sense.
Their child logic goes, wait, you can buy me these things.
You choose not to buy me those things.
Why don't you love me?
Why are you loving me less?
So we have a hurdle.
That's the chasm we have to overcome from what Jeff just described, which it was naturally
occurring when he grew up.
That is the bridge we have to get across.
But you know what?
There are times when we'll be driving down to Houston or something and then we'll be
going through construction and it'll be 105 degrees during the summer and then we'll see
this poor construction crew melting on the freeway.
And I will, or my wife will be like, listen, that's a brutal job.
And no disrespect to construction workers, man.
Total respect.
But we say to our kids, do you want that kind of job?
Sometimes you need to think about where you're going career-wise, where you're going, like
your college degree.
Otherwise, you may end up on a highway crew, right?
Because a lot of those guys, I think, don't have college degrees, right?
So sometimes we, and that's just an example, but sometimes, or we say, the assistant manager
at a, not a Chick-fil-A, but like a KFC, right?
We try to tell them, this is why education is important.
This is why drive and ambition is important because you need to think about where you
need, want to end up.
You have a family to support.
You have a lifestyle you want to support.
You have a certain amount of money you want to make.
You need to plan for that.
You need to think about that.
Right?
What do they say to that?
Go.
They just listen.
They listen.
They do.
They just listen.
So go ahead, Sean, what are you going to say?
Well, education is important.
The drive and ambition is more important than the education because there are a lot of successful
people that don't require education to be successful.
I agree.
Elon Musk is, I don't know, is he a college graduate?
I don't know if he is.
He's not?
That's a great question.
You know, but what he does, but one of the things that he had shared is that there are
a lot of great minds out there and they don't require nurturing from the point of some sort
of state school.
They require nurturing from your parents.
They require nurturing from within and self-worth and without those elements.
Okay.
So he has two bachelor's degrees.
Dropped out.
Well, no, hold on.
Two bachelor's degrees but dropped out of his PhD program.
Right.
He was too busy building the...
Yeah, he probably didn't want to waste time.
It's like Zuckerberg.
He doesn't have a college degree or does Bill Gates.
How about the Twitter guy?
What about Mark?
What's his name?
Elon Musk.
Zuckerberg.
No, no, no, no.
The older...
No, no, no.
The Mavericks owner.
A Cubist.
Yes, he does.
That's where he launched broadcast.com before he sold it.
Was in Indiana or Ohio.
Was in Indiana.
But, I will totally agree with Sean that college means very little to your outcome.
I think it's overrated.
And one of the greatest marketing cons of our generation, it's probably a whole other
topic another day.
Yeah.
No, I think it's completely overrated.
Was universities saying you have to have it and increasing it?
It's life.
Yeah.
It's everything you touch with.
It's the grooming from kindergarten to elementary, middle to high school.
The next step is to college.
And it would seem fair that that's what you could do, but there needs to be more programs
out there that groom air conditioner folks.
At that high school level.
Trades.
Totally.
Trades schools.
Absolutely.
Not just automobile.
Yeah, they did away with shop.
It's crazy.
Wood shop, car, auto.
There's people that strived going to the auto shop.
What do they call that?
The auto shop where they build cars every year.
Yeah, mechanic.
Tech.
Tech or tech class.
All those classes are important.
And I feel that the schools are doing an injustice for the kids.
They really are.
They don't know how to fucking change their tires.
Listen, they're focused on money at the undergrad level and we all know it.
It was the greatest marketing campaign for 20 years.
It doesn't serve the trades.
It's a little bit of a trade.
Not the trades, but I will say there are certain industries, right?
There's certain disciplines, right?
Medical.
That require a degree.
Math, science.
Correct.
STEM.
There absolutely are certain disciplines, certain industries that you got to go the
full distance, right?
But there are a ton.
If you're just going there to get the most basic business degree possible, or if you
don't even know why you're there and maybe you should just go into trade, I mean, who's
the guy, Dirty Jobs guy?
Oh yeah, he's great.
Micro.
He's a massive proponent of trade school stuff.
Oh yeah, big club.
Like, hey guys, think about trade school.
It's electrical.
It is plumbing.
It's welding.
It's HVAC.
I mean, it goes on and on and on and on.
That's a good living.
That is a good living.
Oh, good living.
And you're your own boss.
You're your own boss in a lot of those situations.
I actually did this economic lesson to my 17-year-old son.
I said, so if we took the wealthiest people in the world and all their billions and they
all gave one million, and the US, we gave 330 million Americans a million dollars.
Right.
Like I said, do you think this is a good thing?
And he's like, yeah.
And I think that's terrible.
Terrible.
And he said, why?
I said, because you're going to roll up the Chick-fil-A tomorrow and no one's working.
That's right.
And I said, unfortunately, here's the, everyone tune out who doesn't like reality on the listening
cast.
We need a pyramid of people who are going to work the miserable desperation jobs that
don't want to do anything else.
And they, because they don't believe in themselves or they don't think bigger than that.
And they're like, just fulfilling 20 Chick-fil-A sandwich orders a day is my mantra.
What is it called?
If I give you my...
Oh, no.
You said something earlier.
The factor, the suffering factor.
Oh, suffer factor.
That is the suffer factor.
Right.
And I think it's a good thing for people like that to go through the suffer factor.
And I mean, it's brutal.
And if you're going to be passing out money, no one's going to be able to experience the
suffer factor.
Well, I'll tell you what.
Sean and I went to a new bar at the furniture place.
And one of...
Yeah, without me, by the way.
That's Dudes Without You.
Yeah, Dudes Without You.
Yeah.
One of the bartenders could not figure out how to open the beer bottle with the thing.
And Sean's like, how old are you?
He's like, I'm 28.
Oh, no.
I'm like, you're not advancing past what you're doing right now.
No.
Rest of your life.
That's it.
And...
Well, what if he was the furniture salesperson that was told to go behind the bar and give
this guy a beer?
No.
Really?
That's what he was doing.
Because it's a bar, it's not a furniture store.
But a caveman can figure out leverage.
Right.
Yeah, but the thing that threw him off that he couldn't comprehend is there was foil.
Oh.
Around the cap.
He's like, I didn't know what to do with that.
He's like...
Ouch.
I mean, he figured it out, but he struggled with it.
I was just like, dude, you're 28.
That's why I take the bottle and just smash it on the side of the counter?
I even asked him.
I was like, dude, how old are you?
He said, 29.
I was like, dude, you look so young.
He's like, because I'm half black.
By the way, by the way.
What the hell?
He said half black?
Yeah.
I would advise all of you...
What?
I would advise everybody to go, dude, get better, go, thank you.
Because we need people.
I hate to say that.
Oh, that's so mean.
No, it's not mean.
We need shitty people?
No, we need people whose perspective of happy and sad are in a band.
You just need to be appreciative of the people that they're out.
Right.
It's not your job to coach the world.
Right.
That's a good point.
Listen, if everybody was a chief, there'd be no Indians.
And that's not a bad statement either.
The pyramid is a disastrous thing about society.
Yes.
Listen.
I know what you mean.
The whole organization of civilization has this and it's okay.
It's okay.
I'm sorry.
I'm laughing at the dialect of slurs that happen with it.
Sorry.
Right.
Sorry.
But yeah.
It's like an Irish slur.
I should have sang that one.
It was fantastic.
That's fine.
Cranky.
Cranky, that's Australia.
Oh, you cranky'd it?
Wow.
Right.
I do that with, I have a guy from England, I'm always like, cranky.
He's like, that's not England.
No, it's not.
It's Australia.
Let's throw some more shrimp on the bobby.
I mean, you're straight out of Dumb and Dumber.
I'm like, where are you from?
Austria.
Let's toss some shrimp on the bobby.
Like, no.
But as parents aspiring for their kids to find their place, I get what he's saying about
suffering.
Like, most kids just don't know how to roll up their sleeves and suffer.
So hold on, so back up.
All right, so let's talk about our kids' jobs.
Okay.
Let's talk about our kids' jobs.
Is there any suffering going on in any of our kids' jobs?
Because, okay, so I have three boys.
All three of them have jobs, right?
My 23-year-old's got a real job.
He's working for a cybersecurity company.
He's an inside sales guy waiting to go to outside sales.
He's killing it.
And he is extremely ambitious.
My middle one's home from college.
He's working at a golf course, a golf club, like a plantation golf club.
And he's out in the heat, and he's scrubbing down golf carts.
I mean, it's not awful.
And he's driving around picking up all the balls, and he's doing a bunch of shit.
I mean, he's on the move constantly.
It's not like he's in the air conditioned all day long.
And it's not bad.
I mean, meaning not bad, meaning like it's not a crazy cush job.
He comes home, and he is butt-ass beat.
Right.
That's good.
He's working hard.
And then my youngest is 16, 17, 17.
He works for a nonprofit company that people donate furniture and stuff.
It's like a resale place.
And then he drives.
He's in a truck all day long.
Frisco Resale?
Frisco Resale.
I love that place.
Yeah.
He's in a truck all day long, and what he does is unload the stuff and load the stuff.
Dude, I've volunteered there for the last six months.
Yeah, so he's making a...
Volunteered?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, so...
So not get paid.
Yes.
Good Lord.
Because my...
It's a community service thing.
Well, my mother-in-law who passed away...
Did you get a ticket?
No.
My mother-in-law who passed away, her worry was people who are hungry, and Frisco Resale
feeds the Frisco market.
Yes, they do.
Correct.
And so she doesn't like people hungry, so that's my way to honor her.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
He loves that.
He drives that.
That's nice.
Right.
So my point is, these are not...
I mean, they're working.
They are.
They're working pretty hard.
Yeah.
And what about yours?
Well, mine just started.
I've been giving him a hard time because it's taking him too long to get a summer job, and
I told him, I was like, you're not sitting on your ass this summer.
So he finally got his job, and he's working it.
And it's not easy.
He's working in the kitchen, cutting at a big catering facility here, preparing food.
And slicing tomatoes, peeling carrots.
He goes, damn.
Does he have a culinary aspiration at all?
No, not at all.
He's just grinding.
Nice.
He's getting paid $14, $15 an hour.
Oh, that's nice.
And he's like, Dad, I probably peeled 100 carrots today, and I diced 100 chicken breasts
and tomatoes.
And guess what?
It's hot, and it's moving, and people are needing things right now.
I mean, that's not Kush either to me.
No.
So he's doing that, so I'm very proud of that.
And prior to that, he was taking money at a parking lot for parking, which was just
running, valeting.
He was working.
Yeah, which was, wow, he was just standing there taking money.
Well, they have a commitment to make sure that the cars aren't being broken into, too.
So they have to be vigilant.
Right.
So there's a risk with that.
So prior to that, and my older son, his first job was as a waiter.
And that's not easy.
And that's a very respectable, traditional job.
Yeah.
And so he's been a waiter for maybe four years.
As soon as he graduated high school, he got into it because he wanted money, right?
Because he kept asking me for money.
Dad, I want to do this, I want to do that.
Well, you need to get a job to be able to afford that.
So he got a job, and he spends his money how he wants.
Exactly.
And he's continued that.
He found the same restaurant out where he's going to school in Texas Tech, and he's been
doing for the last couple of years.
Does well for himself.
Well, I'm not saying that your son is content being satisfactory with that, because I know
he's going to school.
I know he's planning on going to Parker.
But there are some folks out there in the food and beverage business that are content
with that lifestyle.
That's OK.
Right.
And that is OK.
100%.
But if you're content being satisfactory, that's not a slam.
It's sort of like Randy's making the comment saying, you need chiefs and you need Indians.
And these folks that are content being satisfactory in life say, hey, man, look, I'm going to
work hard, but I'm not going to be an overachiever.
Suck it.
I'm going to take my fruit and go home and eat.
But you know what?
There's a lot that goes into that, guys.
It's about the balance of life, work and life.
It's stress.
Some people make their own decisions about, you know what, I don't want that high stress
job.
I'm going to balance life and family and this mediocre job, and I'm going to adjust my lifestyle
to match what I make.
There is an upper level to the food and beverage industry.
I mean, so the cap isn't stuck at Don Julio's where you're serving fajitas all day.
Fajitas.
There are some wonderful restaurants out there that some of these bartenders and I mean,
they'll make one hundred thousand dollars a year.
Oh, yeah.
It's disgusting.
They're banking.
And I say that because I'm a little envious.
I'm like, well, shit, I'd fucking wait tables for one hundred thousand dollars a year.
Or bartend.
I don't give a shit.
It's a lifestyle.
I mean, didn't you do some El Paso?
Sean Cruz!
Well, I mean, that was way back.
Come see Sean Cruz live at Tejas Nightclub.
Oh, well, you're flipping bottles and shit.
You were.
That was back when the Tom Cruise movie came out.
Yeah, exactly.
That's why it's Sean Cruz.
Tejas Nightclub.
God bless.
What movie was that?
The Rock Tales.
Yeah, I was like the only white guy.
It was me and my roommate.
He and I were the only white guy in the whole bar.
And the bar owner was like, hey, man.
Here we go.
His name is Arturo Diaz.
Art-Viaz.
Arturo.
He had some fucking long name.
Art-Viaz was his name.
Well-respected guy.
Family guy.
Owns a bar.
Whatever.
He hired me to go on their bar back.
So I was there for like a day bar back.
And then the very next day I was bartending because all the women were hitting on me.
And I'm going to Tejas Nightclub.
And he's a businessman.
They saw how he put him in.
I'm in El Paso.
And I'm six foot and there's like nobody.
It's hilarious.
I mean, how anyone that is.
OK, so you're six pack wearing your little bikini.
I'm just saying I'm a normal person.
But somehow, yes.
Are you sure?
Behind the bar, yes.
I'm positive.
OK, keep going.
I think he's questioning.
Wow.
I'm six foot and chiseled.
Well, I didn't say that part.
But back then, yeah, I was.
And you know what?
Back then, maybe five foot, 11 inches and a half or so.
But my point is that I was in the lower valley of El Paso, Texas, right on the border in
the middle of the country.
And the women were like, I mean, I was a pretty boy back then.
You know, I'm the only fucking white guy.
Come see Sean Cruz.
They fucking put it on a billboard sign.
They had 95.
K Bueno radio station out there.
I remember Selena, you know, Selena.
Back then, she was.
She had a band.
It was a family band.
You saw the movie Selena and Los Thinos.
But Selena was she grew to became a bigger star and the horrible stuff.
But back then, she was shot by her manager, her manager.
Yeah.
What?
Thanks, Jeff.
What the hell?
Well, she was.
I saw the movie.
She was still hot.
So that was good.
So anyways, my point is, is I work hard behind the bar.
You know, the house.
Where the hell was I going with that whole thing?
I don't know.
I'm going to wrap this up for you.
I'll rescue.
So does anyone have rescue?
Has anyone ever?
If we had a dollar for every time Sean had to be rescued on a podcast.
So has anyone ever seen the counter Monte Cristo movie?
Yes.
Amazing.
You got to see it.
Yes.
No.
Yes.
Jim Caviezel in it.
Yes.
OK.
So the is Elizabeth Schew in it?
Hold on.
Bombay bicycle club.
What is that Bombay?
There's a Bombay restaurant around here.
No.
There's a Bomb.
Bombolero.
No.
I just ate dinner there last this past week.
Papa Cedars.
Bombay.
There's bomb something.
Boomer Jax.
That's way off.
What are you Samsonite?
Dumb and Dumber?
Swanson?
Boomer Jax has that Benegans sandwich that you just mentioned.
The Monte Cristo.
Oh my God.
They have the authentic sandwich.
It's like 1800 calories.
So Randy can you rescue him again?
I can.
Here we go.
So probably the best line in the whole Count of Monte Cristo movie is Fernand is a poor
clerk and his rich friend rats him out to be taken by the French police and in his vulnerability
he says why did you betray me?
He says because you're the son of a clerk and I don't want to be you.
So a rich guy wants to be a poor guy.
So the whole point is if you make $55,000 a year which is the median income of the United
States and you're deliriously happy there are probably some doctors who want to be you
is the point.
The finance is not the secret ingredient.
Happiness.
Right.
One of my best friends at 16 we were playing games where I beat him every time and I go
you are the champion of mediocrity.
He really is.
He is the middle of that Gaussian bell curve.
He doesn't want to be better.
He doesn't want to be worse and he never worries.
He's never stressed.
He's so happy and he has got a wife and he's got a family and he's making their family
makes $55,000 a year and they are living the blissful life and there are doctors out there
who want to get him arrested saying I hate that I want to be you.
So the point is back to 8 million people there's no recipe.
None of us sitting here have the same recipe.
That's the point.
100%.
So find your thing.
We talk about pyramid schemes and they're impoverished.
If they're happy there are people at that band happier than the people at the top of
the pyramid.
There are people living in the mountains of Columbia that make $2 a month.
And they're the happiest people.
They're way happier than we are.
They have the most amazing family.
They have the most amazing.
They love their massive Christians or whatever religion they are.
They're super happy spiritually.
I'm going to do a hard 90.
Hold on a second.
I want to bring this to a story that is relevant today.
I don't think money equates to happiness.
No.
Because in evidence I want to display Johnny Depp and Amber Heard.
They seem like a horrible, horrible people.
They are extremely unhappy.
One crapped in one's bed.
One's a drunk.
One's a druggie.
It could have been a dog.
I think it was Amber Heard.
They are miserable millionaires.
Yes.
Great point.
So, money does not equate happiness.
And you think these movie stars are happy and everything.
Their life, Johnny Depp's have been miserable for the last five years.
Yeah.
Because he was in an unhealthy dysfunctional relationship.
That, and he was blackballed.
Yes, he was.
Completely blackballed.
Yeah.
No, that's a great point.
No, we already know this.
Money does not give you happiness.
But everyone thinks...
Fame does not give you happiness.
But people think it is.
Absolutely.
No.
There was one where they don't have.
So, Malcolm Gladwell actually did a study that said he had on the x-axis money you make.
I'm sorry.
Who is Malcolm Gladwell?
Oh my God.
So, outliers, 10,000 hours to be a master at anything you want to do.
Who talked about that?
If you do 10,000 hours of anything, you become a master.
Whether you're an athlete or a violinist.
Oh, yeah.
Whatever.
But he has another book that says happiness on the x-axis, money made on the y-axis.
Okay.
It's literally like the St. Louis arch.
It goes up, plateaus, and goes straight down.
All right.
More money made, how miserable you are.
And do you know what that...
So, that's a very simple graph.
Describe the graph.
So, quiz for you guys.
What is the top number for a household where it peaks and then plummets?
Money wise?
Yeah.
As far as money wise.
For your Hamley.
I would say 100 grand, 75 to 100.
So, hold on.
What is the peak number and then it plummets?
So, what does that mean?
It plummets.
It means the happiness peaks and then plummets back down on the same you graph.
I'm going to say combined household income, full happiness.
$65,000.
Okay.
You said 75 to 100.
75 to 100.
Well, he's got it right there, so 75,000.
It's $75,000.
Oh, wow.
That's it, guys.
And Frisco bubble is...
Oh, way more than that.
Right.
So, the point is, you think about our friends who live other humble means and they're happier.
Right.
That's the point is there's a cap on money.
So, if you think about this theory and I love this from a guy I met 20 years ago.
It's one of my...
He's showing the stress.
Yeah.
It's one of my favorite quotes.
Money and power make you more of what you are.
So, when you're poor and you have no power, if you're a great person, that will be amplified.
When you're poor with no money and power, you're an asshole.
That will be amplified.
Right.
And you're either a jerk or someone who helps and enables.
And so, the whole point is everyone gets worried.
The average median income in America is 55.
You're already there.
Don't worry.
That's the point.
So, everyone in Dublin or Brussels accounting for inflation, but with our uptick, you're
good.
Yeah, but it's still not enough.
I think it boils down to expectations, right?
So, if you and your wife work a job or two or three and you're taking care of your kids
and you're putting food on the table and you're happy, meaning you're doing some of the things
that you want to do, you know what I'm saying?
And that's enough.
It's enough.
That's the key.
If it's enough, and sometimes...
And a lot of these things are out in rural areas, right?
Where they have a little bit of land and it's peaceful and they've got their church, they've
got their church family, they've got their neighbor family and expectations of life are
not that exorbitant, right?
They don't have the big city expectations, the big car, expensive this, expensive that,
all these gaming systems.
I mean, they don't have all those expectations and guess what?
They're totally happy.
Yeah.
Totally happy with what they have.
And to me, it seems like it's a rural thing.
Well...
I don't know if it's rural.
I do think it is.
I think the rural is closer to the epicenter of what you need to be.
I think the wealthier we are, the farther, so the suffer index has to calibrate.
So most rich people...
But I think there's a huge difference between urban and rural.
Right.
I think urban wealthy people buy land rural to go relax to, to be happy.
It's like a weird thing.
And so that's the point is...
So the point, I think Jeff, tie it back to Jeff, is the messaging to our kids of whoever
you want to be, whoever you want to be, is great.
Yeah, man or woman.
Man, there's a microphone.
Like there's no recipe that's right for any of us.
It's okay.
There's some expectation.
There's not really like live and figured out.
What do you think?
I don't know.
Well, I want my kids to be happy.
Okay.
What's that look like?
Well, it's, it's up to them, right?
I don't know what makes them happy, right?
It looks like a 45 foot boat.
Right.
Part of it is default.
You want them to not suffer the way you just described.
Well, correct.
I don't want them to...
But that actually starves them from the self-realization that made you strong.
Actually, Jeff wants his kids to suffer more than I would.
Oh.
That's true.
I mean, I'll kick Preston in the face.
No, and I don't mean this in a bad way.
He wants, he wants him, he wants his kids to learn.
I mean, I mean from, you know, all the extras, you know, that you give them while they're
in college.
Me, I don't care, you know, but at the same time, I appreciate what Jeff's doing.
Well, Jeff's into child abuse.
So, I mean...
So you call it child abuse?
No, no, no, no.
Yeah, he wants to mentally torment his children.
I don't believe I'd do that.
Now, I can't think of anything like that.
Suffer index, what we're talking about.
Suffer index.
I don't...
I tell them to eat ramen and drink Old Milwaukee's best beer.
There you go.
Old Crow.
Yeah.
Okay.
Anyways, look, I wanted to do a Hard 90.
And this is kind of a dudes like us thing because it just slapped me in the face.
I'd received a message from one of my kids.
And they're like, Dad, because at my house, I've got a lot of people.
You have a full house.
I have a full house right now.
I'm an empty nester.
Laundry.
Yeah.
Thank you for mentioning that, Jeff.
I'm not.
I'm not right now.
But he has all four kids home.
Plus one.
Plus one, plus two, plus three.
You have seven kids?
Who are you teasing?
All right.
So there's a lot of stuff going on.
Right.
So I just got a message saying, hey, Dad, the dryer's broke.
And I'm like...
Oh, shit.
It's not turning or heating.
And I'm like, well, is it not turning or heating?
So if it's not turning, it's probably just not going to heat because it's not turning.
But you know, whatever.
So at that point, do you take the time to fix it?
I mean, because I've already fixed that dryer once.
Yes.
Or do you just...
Yes.
What do you think?
Buy a new one?
Depends how old it is.
I don't have the time to fix it.
It's like an old car.
How much money do you want to dump into an old car before like, yeah, I can just get a
new one and not deal with it.
It's 10 years old.
That's a fallacy.
It's 10 years old.
Everything can be fixed.
You know how many times I've replaced the heating element on my dryer and it works for
another 10 years?
Yeah, you were going to drop your Volkswagen for a new truck.
And guess what I did?
That's right.
Because you bought a motorcycle.
You got small balls and you got a motorcycle instead.
No.
I went on fucking YouTube because they were going to charge me $3,400.
All right, all right.
Time out.
By the way.
The spirit of what I'm talking about is do you take the time?
What if you don't have the time?
Time is money.
I mean, do I just delegate this one to my kids?
Yes.
Tell your kids, just go, you fix it.
Unfortunately, I don't trust any of those fuckers.
Actually, because you're fucked either way, turn it into an exercise for your kids, like
Jeff said, and let them do the ROI analysis of fixing it for $150 or replacing it for
$400 and let them make them do the math.
$400?
Whatever.
What if somebody bought a dryer?
Like, Reagan was in office.
There's $700.
Right.
So make them go through and make them do some work.
So, Sean, I'm going to completely disagree with you on this one.
Hold on.
How many times have we talked about being able to fix anything?
I agree with you.
We have a dog barking.
We've got chaos happening right now.
I agree with you at a certain point, but it's at this point right now I'm kind of like,
let's just buy a new one.
I mean, because I've already fixed it twice.
Like you said, I've already replaced the heating element on it twice.
Right.
I want to be done with it.
And I did the same thing.
I bought a new dryer.
I did.
Oh, you're giving them shit two seconds ago.
Well, hold on.
Oh, wow.
Hold on.
He just said he replaced the heating element.
You can replace anything multiple times.
Yes.
Infinitum is what I heard from your voice.
Infinitum?
Is that Latin?
It's Latin.
Add infinitum.
Yes.
In vagina?
Ad in vagina.
That's not Latin.
That's how the Lantons made sex.
Add in your vagina.
Yeah.
Elephant vagina.
Elephant vagina is what you said.
No, you said vag.
Scrub them.
That was close.
Elephant vag.
It was close.
Areola vagina.
Anyway, so yes, I'm not going to judge you, but I'm just saying there are, everything can
be repaired to a certain degree.
Yes, I get it.
Look, I get it, but I don't have, look, here's the thing.
I got to weigh in.
How long is it going to take me to fix?
All right.
Because I don't trust the kids.
Yeah, can they do it?
Maybe.
But they're going to take the thing apart.
But seriously, are they really going to fix it?
Yeah, I'm not there yet.
I'm not there yet.
I fixed everything.
The kids are like.
How are they going to learn that?
How did you learn?
When you had your first house?
You know how they learn?
I'll tell you how they fucking learn.
When they, when they, they're sitting at home and their dryer breaks and they're looking
at their bank account and they're like, I have $300.
I can eat.
I can pay for this.
I can pay for that.
And all of a sudden they're going to be like, well, maybe I can fix it.
Right.
That's what I asked.
Because I don't have the money to freaking replace it.
That's what I asked.
I didn't learn how to fix anything until I owned my own house.
That's it.
That's how, when I did mine too.
So I think that's probably when you start diving into that.
Well, so part of it, I feel like Jeff is saying is he didn't have a safety net.
Neither did I.
Like it's like there was no plan B, right?
We're talking about kids who have a plan B option, which is nice.
We talk mom or dad to fix the dryer or the washer or whatever it is.
And so I don't care.
I'll go buy new underwear and new socks until it's fixed.
Great for you.
And that doesn't help teach the lessons we're trying to teach.
Everybody's different.
I had a safety net, right?
I had it for you.
So I had a brother who's a mechanical engineer.
And if I couldn't figure it out myself, I would call him.
Right.
I mean, and, but for the most part, I figured out YouTube.
I just figured out YouTube.
So you didn't do anything until the last eight years.
I mean, I would actually I would absolutely fix this.
In fact, when I go home, I'll take a look at it and see what's going on.
Maybe it's unplugged.
You know what?
Maybe it is.
I don't know.
Maybe the maybe the fuse popped.
Yeah, you have the spirit of what I'm getting at is that we are there's dudes like us out
there that we face these things.
Yes.
And it's just like you got to weigh in.
You're like, well, when does it come to the point where you keep fixing this Volkswagen
or do you take the damn thing and drop it off and say, say, lovey.
OK, so I have a theory.
I 100 percent agree with that.
I have a theory on this evolution.
All right.
And I'm going to give a tactile representation of my pathetic view and we'll move forward.
So Steven helped me.
We bought like seven point seven five of a ton of rock.
We shipped it to the house.
OK.
It was like August and we bucketed it in five gallon buckets.
I remember that it was in his truck.
I heard this.
Wow.
This is legendary.
Apparently, he whined about it.
No, it was child abuse, actually.
So fucking ready.
So we we we shoveled this shit from his truck into these back buckets and we're 50 bucks.
You can rent a device.
No, listen, listen.
We we walked it 80 yards to the destination.
Oh, good Lord.
Yeah.
Two buckets each time.
And about halfway through, this fit young high school guy is pussing on me and I'm like,
I'm going to destroy you.
Like suck the fuck up.
But then you had eight thousand dollars surgery right after that.
No, fuck no.
Because no.
And I'm like, OK, you take a break.
I'll go.
And then we started doing two for one.
And whatever he would said, he goes, I couldn't let Randy beat me.
Yeah, he tried.
He tried.
There we go.
He tried, but he lost.
I'm not an old man.
Beat me.
I mean, I'm like 20 years older and he's like, yeah, he tried.
And it's fine.
But it's like they just don't suffer the way we did.
And that's fine.
I really I'm not shitting on him.
He just doesn't know.
But listen, look, all of us were born in the 60s, 70s.
We didn't suffer as much as the guys born in the 50s or the 40s.
How about in Great Depression?
Listen, born in war, like my dad.
Born in war.
My dad was born during the Great Depression.
Listen, here's an evolution.
I love to get people mad about because they everyone sues everyone in school.
Right.
And the 20s and 30s, you were expected to get in fights in school.
Yeah.
Solve your problem.
Win.
Don't win.
Right.
But we're still fighting.
Oh, yeah.
My dad got in school a little bit.
A little bit.
70s, 80s.
We turn into pussies.
90s.
It's got to be legislated.
We're going to get we're going to sue because of bias.
90s.
Like, we've become what we are.
That's fine.
I'm not trying to comment on all of that.
But I get it is what it is.
Right or wrong.
But he's that's what he's talking about.
Right. Kids don't know how to grind.
They don't.
By the way, there's an app called Grindr, which we don't want to do.
Or Sean does.
Sean has that app.
He actually tried to refer us.
We just don't know.
He has a profile.
The suffer index is not high.
He could have gotten some sort of discount if he referred us.
What is Grindr?
100.
100 people discount.
Is that a sexual thing?
He made it.
Yes.
You're such an idiot.
Well done.
Well done, Sean.
Well done.
What?
Kids don't know how to suffer.
They don't know the grit.
Our kids are getting picky about their jobs.
Right.
Oh my God.
That's an LGBTQ.
Oh my God.
I'm shocked.
That's not a funny joke, guys.
That was the worst.
I don't care.
But I don't know.
You don't know what Grindr is?
Why the fuck would I know?
Because everyone knows who Grindr is.
Well, I don't.
It's the first time.
I'm going to say et tu, Brute?
Thou dost protest too much.
He's so full of shit right now.
He has three profiles.
Yeah.
Sean A, B, and C. So earlier, Randy, you were talking about you're expected to fight.
That's just Grindr gay chat.
Let me tell you a funny story about what my father told me.
Why would I know that?
Okay.
So hold on.
I'm going to tell a funny story.
My father was in high school and he has four older sisters and he's the youngest boy.
Right?
And he was picked on by the biggest bully in school.
Did his sister whip her in his ass?
Well, no.
So they got into it and my dad punched him in the face and totally bloodied him and shocked
the kid.
They both got in trouble for fighting.
While they were in, it was almost like breakfast club.
They were in incarceration in school.
The bully says to him, if you and I join forces, we can run this school.
He was so impressed with my father for punching me in the mouth that he was like, join me.
Like, what is that?
Star Wars?
Yoda?
Join me and we can rule the galaxy.
Exactly.
That's the emperor.
That is exactly what that guy.
I don't get the end game on that.
That's crazy.
But I understand.
That's what my father talked about.
That's what those do.
Yeah.
He was so impressed with how tough my dad was for punching the bully in the face that
he was like, we join forces.
We can run this whole school.
So Judd Nelson wanted Anthony Michael Hall.
Yeah.
Honestly, I've never heard of Grindr.
Liar.
You're such a liar.
He's still trying to play that off.
Yeah, he's still trying to play that off.
Honestly, he's got three profiles.
That I can't understand.
Is it like a Facebook thing?
Oh, shut up.
It's a dating app.
Shut off his mic.
So I think that quite honest to God.
I've never heard of Grindr.
So I think the million dollar question is how do we bridge the gap for our youth to
know how to work hard enough, right?
I think honestly, the story I told earlier, I think mine are getting it.
They experienced a suffer index.
Whatever you refer to.
I love that.
So Sean, you didn't get a chance to talk about your kid situation.
Go.
Yeah.
Is there a suffer index there or no?
What with the dryer?
Do they suffer?
No, no, no.
Your kids jobs and stuff.
We talk about our kids jobs and my kids are ongoing.
So all my kids are are unique.
So obviously.
So it's my kids are they're all working.
Oh, God bless.
I've got like my oldest one and she works online and she does these.
I don't know what the fuck she does, but she avatars, right?
She does avatars.
She draws a unique metaverse.
OK, she's very good.
Yeah.
We're all going to buy from her.
OK, eventually.
So unique.
So she she also doesn't want to suffer and actually sells things through a broker on
and she's they sell.
What is the store in NFTs?
The mall and every mall they have a double sexy store.
Kids I used to go to as a kid.
Sexy.
Spencer Spencer Spencer.
So she sells.
She sells photos.
She sells pictures that she draws.
They make T-shirts out of them and they sell them at Spencer's.
Nice.
So that's like nationally.
Yeah.
All over the wherever they have Spencer's.
She international like also keychains.
She should be making money.
Wait a minute.
She's not.
She literally sells seashells by the seashore.
Why?
Why is she not making money on that?
If they're making national T-shirt because they buy for they buy for one hundred dollars
to say now it's ours and they sell for a million one cent.
Yeah, it's something like that.
But the thing about it is that she's talented.
So we're talking about where are they going to?
She's got all these programs.
She's been drawing forever.
So if you ever she's got some crazy.
I don't know if you've ever seen her stuff.
No, well, I actually one time if you have seen her stuff, if you look at like a 4K picture
of something and she's probably one of the people that have drawn that where there's
just so intricate all the little things going on.
Every pixel.
Every pixel should go in there and change colors like a zoomed in eyeball.
Yes, yes, exactly.
Wait, yes.
So then you have my boys.
Let's say let's say my boys, for example, Preston and Austin, they're new.
They're new into college, so they're going to be picking up the part time jobs.
Austin, of course, works here voluntarily.
And I basically give him free rein of everything to pay him back to sit here.
So basically he says, hey, I want to buy this.
I'm like, OK, let's do it because, you know, you're you're doing us a favor because we're
international.
We are.
We are the Beatles.
We're like we are like the Beatles.
We're literally like the Beatles.
And he's just like maybe happen.
Maybe we're like Abba.
He's you need to.
We're like Abba.
You need a microphone, Austin.
A B. Is it two B's or three B's?
Did you find it out?
Oh, you did not.
Good Lord.
Who was that?
So anyways, Austin, he got a job working at the the roller rink and he got one of his
first jobs.
He's got a job.
And the thing is that what is unique about it is that the jobs that he had had, they
love him.
And so when he had he had to quit.
So when he quit, they were like they were like devastated.
Oh, my God.
I can't believe we we took this much energy into training you and you're you reached a
certain level of of experience and we count on you.
And now you're going to fucking quit on bringing him back.
What?
I do give my kids.
But he came back.
No, no.
I'm not going to quit.
But but my point is that when he worked there, they appreciated the shit out of him because
he he did his job.
He doesn't work there anymore to the point where he doesn't work there now.
He goes there all the time because he's a roller blader.
Yeah, he loves roller blading.
He roller blades.
He did he roller blades in fucking two nights ago at 10 o'clock at night.
He's an insane freak.
Nice in a good positive spin.
I will.
So now you need to be on YouTube and make some money.
I will say this, both my boys have extremely good work ethic that they bust their ass
when they I'm sure hopefully all of us all to do.
But I know my two boys, the jobs that they do have have extremely good work ethic, especially
Brandon.
He busts his ass and he takes pride even the I'm not going to say even though it's a waiter's
position, but he takes pride and he takes offense when he gets a bad tip or a review
or something like that.
Right.
And he's upset with that.
And you know, because he'll call me is like they had this family and they they were terrible,
you know, and they were they were difficult.
They give me two bucks and I did everything for them.
And he admits when he screws up.
Right.
He's like, yeah, it took him a long time.
Sometimes there's just assholes.
Oh, yeah.
Dude, in the service industry, there are there's no shortage of assholes.
Yeah, that's what he said.
He goes, I did everything.
He goes, nothing I would have done would have mattered.
Exactly.
They were angry, they have a shitty life or a shitty job, right.
Taking it out on their server.
And it sucks.
But it's the real real deal.
Yeah, it is.
And and and Stephen, his his positions have been a little bit different.
But you know, he's always committed.
He goes.
Also, so our producer is going to join the table at the mic and and she's a watchdog.
She hurts.
If you've ever listened.
So for our Irish viewers, our listeners, our Dubliners.
Yeah, they hear the dog.
I don't think anybody else hears the dog.
It's an outer center.
They hear the quiet.
She's so quiet.
But she is a herder.
And whenever she senses that someone's going to leave, especially our producer, she freaks
out and she wants to protect him.
So Austin wants to and he's on the mic.
He wants to chat about the the roller rink experience.
Go.
Do you do you can you hear me?
Yes.
We don't have a headset, so I can't hear myself.
Oh, wait a minute right there, bro.
It's not plugged in.
Plug it in.
There's a little bit of a splitter right there.
I have to.
Don't worry about this.
Move forward.
Make it happen.
OK, anyway.
Yeah, I had to quit the roller rink.
I only worked there for like six months.
Tell us what happened.
You should have made him suffer.
He was like, no, my dad was my dad was saying the point where I'm example where he was like,
we put in all this hours of training me first of all.
So I had the I had an interview Wednesday.
I got the application and I'm there like every weekend and they know me.
I was a regular there, so they already knew me.
It's not like they were hiring some stranger already.
So it was essentially a really easy job for me to get.
And I have go to my go to the interview, AC interview, because yeah, and because you because
you said, you know, because I'm me because because he's a physicist because he said Die
Hard was a Christmas movie.
I walked in, I said, Hi, my name is Austin Murphy and Die Hard is in fact a Christmas
movie.
And they were like, you're hired right now.
I maximum.
I'm not kidding.
I worked Friday that week.
Oh, I worked Friday that week.
OK, they loved you.
What happened?
Tell us what went wrong.
I had 45 minutes of training, not several hours.
Hey, I don't have any training.
What kind of training do you need?
It is a call at the snack bar and roll out.
I know that dogs fill up the moms.
Yeah, figured it out.
And tell us what went wrong.
Oh, no, I just.
I'd rather be there.
Don't worry.
Oh, you love the place.
He was challenged because he enjoyed rollerblading there and they they're only open so many days
a week.
So they would never schedule him a time where he can go rollerblade.
And is that right?
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
They never know.
No, what a burden.
OK.
Yeah.
Your hobby, your passion of rollerblading got in the way of the work.
The crowd is turning on you.
You're literally dying.
You're literally dying in the Roman Colosseum.
You are.
Caesar's going like this.
You're getting 20 minutes.
OK, you're on the tollway to go to a different roller.
You're getting eaten right now.
That is all that costs more money.
But you get paid.
You have a job.
Yeah.
OK, I'm getting paid.
Yeah.
I'm 30 now.
I did.
If I work compared, if I work somewhere else.
OK.
But are you working anywhere else?
Not at the moment.
No leverage.
Got it.
Where do you want to work?
Where's Julius Caesar right now?
Well, he's taking summer classes right now.
Right.
Summer classes.
He's not allowed to work at that bar in defense of our given to the bar.
How many hours of summer school are you taking?
I'm only taking one class.
But yesterday I was at the community college for 11 hours.
11.
But how many are you actually spending?
What the hell?
Why?
11.
Why 11 hours?
I was studying.
Oh, nice.
The whole time.
OK.
OK, that's good.
That is good.
So are you planning on getting a job or no?
You're going to focus on school.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
Another Roman focusing on school.
I mean, I don't think so.
The way this teacher is teaching, I'm going to have to read the book, memorize the book
and get a hundred for the class.
So probably not.
OK.
All right.
That's all good.
I didn't work when I was in school.
I did not either.
I did not work when I was in school.
I worked every summer and every Christmas break.
Amen.
That's exactly what I did at a movie theater.
I did not.
I did not work.
That's right.
I forgot about your movie theater experience.
That was my original plan was to work during the summer.
Oh, but it was brutal.
Oh, I could just imagine.
We had people coming in like, hi, Paul.
My packing.
No, they have people coming in attacking.
I have some extra popcorn.
You have telephone poles.
Oh, I what they were.
We had to bring in telephone.
You want to share my corn dog?
And I had to I had to attack like stop people from attacking other people.
And I had to take them down to the ground.
It's crazy.
These corn dogs are so small.
See how far I could put this.
We didn't have dogs.
That would have been amazing.
Which, by the way, that would have been amazing.
We had normal hot dogs.
Oh, imagine if someone walked in the movie theater with the corn dog and was just like
just plopped on the floor and people stepped on it and it was stuck in that movie theater
carpet.
That's your dad, by the way.
Nobody has they don't have corn dogs.
I know.
I'm saying what if I know they don't have corn dogs.
You guys make fun of me working at a movie theater.
You want to know what was what you served?
Sir Fletcher has hazard pay.
You want to hear hazard pay?
So summertime, everybody's like the line to get into the theater is freaking out the door.
All sorts of pressure.
And they're like, we're just waiting for people to leave the theater.
Hold on.
Sajad wants to suck your dick.
I can't do it.
I can't wait.
Just wait.
So we're crowded outside.
And then you meet your wife.
We're getting ready to sneak into the side doors.
We're getting ready to clean the theater.
No, you guys got to go back.
Shut up.
We're getting ready to clean the theater.
People are lined up out this.
And we got we got to turn this theater around.
We got to get in there, clean it, kill it.
Right.
I run in there.
Well, running up and down the aisles, getting all the popcorn bag, getting all the all the all the candy boxes, all this kind of stuff.
And then there's that cup, the little cup, the dip cup full of P of dip cup.
And I'm grabbing, grabbing, grabbing.
Oh, two, three fingers into the dip cup.
Why would you do that?
Because it's dark and we got to get this shit clean quick.
Why did you turn the lights on?
I disagree.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Why would you grab a cup like that?
First of all, doesn't matter because you're cleaning.
You got to get going.
So I put two fingers into the fucking dip cup and I'm lifting it up going.
That's rule number one.
Yeah, I'm done.
I think I think the suffer quotient on this is about a two.
No, it's a it's a eleven and a half.
Have you put your hands and fingers in a dip cup?
OK, I put it on.
No, you haven't.
I mean, cleaning the roller.
You haven't.
That tour.
No, doesn't matter.
Dip cup tour.
I've had a good time.
Take some weird things at the roller rink.
Hold on.
Taint.
Hold on.
That was a different job.
We haven't talked about this job.
The taint.
Wait a minute.
We don't have any direction right now.
Yeah.
Where's our producers?
We're not on where we're doing.
We center.
All right.
Give me that falls.
Get back.
Get the hell out of here.
That was a good party.
It was.
No, no.
Thank you.
Thank you for the young.
That was good.
Thank you.
Young people.
Young.
So dudes like us, we have kids and they work and it's important that we recognize that.
But at the same time, it's important that we recognize, too.
Seriously.
It's important that we recognize that they are not as in tune with what's normal, with
reality.
I think it's the reality.
They're spoiled.
And the Frisco bubble.
Correct.
It's the Frisco.
And I tease my boys with it, especially my oldest, because his standards are at a level
where I know when I was in college, I wasn't anywhere close to what his standards are right
now.
So Austin, let me pose this question.
I know you don't have a microphone over there, but I'm just going to ask it in general.
Austin, are you hearing me?
So if you had to work that job, let's just say, they were forced and you had to work
like 50 hours a week.
Can you imagine doing that?
How miserable would you be?
I mean, it would be miserable, right?
It's not a matter of hard, but it's boring.
With a brain like yours, it'd be really boring.
So you'd be wanting to like do extra stuff and move on and start managing and do.
I mean, you're not going to be stuck there behind the snack bar.
At least most people should.
You know, you want to start out.
But my point is, is that's the suffer.
Is it the suffer factor?
I have a question for Randy.
I know your daughter has not started a job, but it's kind of like a real job.
How is she adapting to an eight to five every day job?
Well, so she's an outlier because she's a killer.
I mean, when she was five years old, I was driving her to get dinner and she was on a
Montessori school pre-K and I was like, I'm going to go get dinner.
And she said, well, I've got some homework to do.
And I said, well, we'll do it in the morning.
And she cried hysterically.
Like, I have to get it done tonight.
I said, OK.
So if you transform that when she's 14 and we're like, hey, we're going to Sunday brunch.
You want to go?
She's like, no, I got to study.
So that's a hardwired thing.
Yeah.
That's different.
That's an anomaly.
And that's why she is who she is.
She's brilliant.
She is brilliant.
And she's graduating in three years from A&M and she's got a job.
So inner drive and intrinsic and extrinsic is different for everybody.
It's not a you're better than worse.
Well, I'm just asking is how is she?
She accepting the daily grind, I guess.
I mean, she's a soldier.
That's a problem.
I keep asking her.
I'm waiting for it to kick her ass.
Right.
And I'm like, how are you doing?
I'm fine.
But that's how she is.
Like probably a gem.
I'm like, yep, I'm good because she doesn't want to ever tell me show it's kicking my
ass.
Right.
And by the way, she only has to go into the office like two days a week.
I'm like, pussy.
I know.
Right.
But I'm like, fine.
Fine.
We've actually talked about that.
So she works from home?
Someday.
Well, no.
But the other day she has to drive from Frisco to downtown Dallas, log in and do everything.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
Because we've talked about that at dinner where I asked her and it was like her first
week and it's tiring.
It's just a physical thing.
Oh, she's getting her ass kicked.
It's just a physical thing.
And, you know, we talked and she said that she would prefer to work remote.
I'm like, as would we all.
But it's not really the reality.
Maybe it's a version of reality these days, but it's not, you cannot count on working
from home in a job after college.
But in today's world, you could.
You almost can.
You could.
That's what I mean.
But you can't.
I mean, for a cybersecurity company, he works his ass off when he has something to do.
But if he doesn't, he plays video games during the day.
I like that.
And then he's given something and then I have nothing to do.
Video games.
But it's crazy to earn that privilege.
If your kid can score a 1480, you get straight grades, then you can.
If your kid's going to fuck off all the time.
No, you don't get that privilege.
Correct.
The slave trade is the same.
Listen.
Yeah.
Why are you screaming at us?
Sorry.
This music.
I'm scared right now.
Here's my theory.
You either work hard early.
You either work hard early to work less later.
Or you work less early to work hard later.
That's it.
Right?
We got to fix that.
We're all over the place.
I enjoy the hell out of all of it.
It's a dudes like must moment.
And this is great.
We're enjoying time.
This is Randy visiting with us and he did the full thing.
And we enjoyed some great bourbon.
We're a little happy.
Slap happy.
I think we had some really good discussions.
I think we had some really good discussions tonight.
Yeah.
They were very good.
First half or second half.
It was good.
And very important.
Hey look, this dudes like us, we got to get going because the song is about to end.
I am focused on the energy developments that we solved.
Wait, everybody left.
Okay.
It's just you and me, Jeff.
What do you think?
And this is.
Are you watching the producer?
This is Dudes Like Us and I'm Paul.
I'm Sean.
I'm Jeff.
And we have a guest star.
Randy.
There we go.
Definitely the season.
All right.
We will catch you guys at the end of June.
It's going to burn.
It's going to be a while.
All right.
We'll see you soon.
Have a good night.
All right.
Have a good night.