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Timer, timer. I don't have to do this anymore.

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And yet you did. I know. You did it anyway. I'm

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just saying, I don't have to do that anymore.

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And yet you did. Especially in front of guests.

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What do you mean? It's for the nostalgia. It

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is. Was it much easier this round? I did nothing.

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He's our token podcast. I love that. So you can

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take out more now. No. I can't if I get the damn

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thumbnails to work. We'll talk about that. It's

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the second half. It's more of a giddy atmosphere

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here on the second half of Dudes Like Us podcast.

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It's Thursday, March 19th. Dudes Like Us, we

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have our producer back behind the scenes making

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sure everything goes well for us. Yes. Whopper

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specials. Yes. With the Whopper special, that

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was nice for the first half. Dudes Like Us, I'm

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Sean. I'm Paul. And I'm Jeff. And I'm Robert.

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And Robert is our special guest from Iron Root

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Republic. He's going to be talking to us more,

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less about what the first half was. The second

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half is going to be a little bit more weird.

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Oh, yeah. It's very weird. Very, very weird.

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I don't think we warned Robert for the second

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half. We're going to talk marketing. Now, check

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us out. We have an outfit for you to wear. Facebook,

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Instagram, YouTube, TikTok. We are on everything.

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Basically, just look us up. RSS .com forward

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slash dudes podcast. God bless. How you doing?

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I'm still doing great. So in the first half of

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the Dudes Like Us podcast. I didn't leave yet.

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That's a start. We sampled the Iron Root Republic

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assemblage. Which is not to the general public

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yet. No. But by the time they hear this next

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week, it'll be. It'll take us. It's outstanding.

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Outstanding. Yeah. Excellent. Yeah. On a rate

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in front of you. But I will tell you. I did.

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Very high. I do, right? I said I didn't bribe

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all of you for that, so that's good. It works.

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It's outstanding. We typically rate things based

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on type, proof, and, you know. Well, this would

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rate very high for me based off of the proof.

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Yes. Because when we go back, because we have

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a lot of 90s, 95s out there. When we revisit

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those, we're all, for the most part, very disappointed.

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That's where we started, and we liked them. For

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the most part, back then we liked it. Because

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we keep track of our ratings. We do. And we go

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back and we're kind of like, oh my gosh, we really

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liked it back then. And then now we're kind of

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like, it's not even a blip on the radar. There's

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no flavor to it. But this would rank high for

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the 96 proof range, about 95 to 100 proof. We

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kind of grouped those together. This would be

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right up there. Now, is this the first year this

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came out? So yeah, so there is a version out

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like on store shelves now that was a 92 proof.

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And this is like the new and improved version.

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It's a little bit older. There's also a four

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grain versus the previous version was just a

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high rye. Oh, this is a four grain. It's a really,

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really fun blend. I didn't even know that. We're

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really enjoying a lot of the four grains. That

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four grain was kind of the Penelope, I think,

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was one of the first four grains that we had.

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And then the Heaven to Hill grain to glass was

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kind of a four grain. Four grain. came at one

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point was like desirable. Every time we saw four

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grains, God bless me, gobbled it up. Yeah, in

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1845 had a four grain. And they are much trickier

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to blend to be quite honest. They are. To really

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balance the wheat because wheat can be very soft

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and sweet or it can be like very bitter almost

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if you're not careful. We have friends like this

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sitting at the table. Or butter like you're drinking.

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Yeah, mostly bitter. Bitter. A little butter.

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The second half is always kind of a turn. We

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have to focus. Keep the focus. We're very thankful

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that you came on. We stuck around, too. We have

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a lot of fun doing this podcast. For listeners

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out there that don't know what Dude's Like Us

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is about, we're just a group of friends that

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got together. Been friends for a long time. We

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would go to bars and events. Estate sales. Estate

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sales. And we would have so much banter between

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us. And then someone, someday, someone went out

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there and was like, you guys ought to do a podcast.

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And, you know, I had all this gear laying around

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that was aging that left over from the filtered

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coffee shop in downtown McKinney. And I was like,

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God bless it. Let's do this. And I remember we

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set up shop in my office. Yeah, you were in your

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office. We were all crammed in there. You know,

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it is. Hopped up on a little coffee. You know,

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I don't recall really. Were we even doing bourbon

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back then? I don't know if we even did bourbon

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at the first couple shows because it was more

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of an experiment. Is this what we want? And then

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half the time, shit didn't work. We were recording

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on a thumb drive as opposed to a blown out computer.

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What do you call these? The bootleg? Not the

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bootleg, but the seller. The seller copies. The

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bootlegs. That's what it was. I don't even know

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if we have those recordings anymore, but we were

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just getting blown up and having a ball. Hey.

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We could say you were almost professional. Almost.

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We're very experienced. We still get blown up

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every now and then. Plus, editing was a lot more

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difficult. Believe it or not, I know how I am

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now. There's almost no editing. There was a time

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where he went through a 48 -step program. It

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was tough. He's better now. It was tough. I always

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had the attitude I'd rather say it and we could

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edit it out because sometimes if you say it,

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it works out and it wasn't offensive. And even

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though I think, all right, my little spotty sense

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is tingling, it's going to be offensive. But

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sometimes it is. We did the math. If he admitted

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to the 52nd step, we'd be in a much better place.

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I recommended that. But he's like a good man.

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So one of the things we did was we got rid of

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beer. We don't drink beer during the podcast.

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That was a big help. And we had a measuring cup.

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And we started utilizing the measure cupping

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on filling up our drinks. So we do about two

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ounces now. Not quite this. We were doing four

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ounces. Yes. Per episode. Bold strategy. Very

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bold strategy. We were all in. We were all in.

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I mean, it was... All the way up. It was ridiculous.

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What could possibly go wrong with that strategy?

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No, but seriously, when you're drinking beer

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and the carbonation... Tell me if I'm wrong.

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But the carbonation messes with your stomach

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lining. You're wrong. Can you let me finish before

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you tell me I'm wrong? And so it actually prepares

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the stomach lining for whatever you're going

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to eat or drink after that to be absorbed faster.

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True or false? False. I have no idea. You have

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no idea. No idea. CO2 neutralizes acid. So what

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it does is the stomach will actually sit on your

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stomach longer. Okay. I thought he was going

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to fact check it, but now we're looking at the

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- We have the technology. We're actually looking

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at the March Madness, which is, hey, this is

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day one. It's more important. Hey. This is day

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one, guys. UT is up, guys. Did you manage to

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get your brackets in? I did. I did not, no. I

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got my bracket in this morning. And A &M is winning

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57 to 44. Against a higher seed. I called it,

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though. A bit of an upset. Probably a two, three

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point. Not really. All right, well, let's skip

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to the chase. What was your final four? I would

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have to look it up, but I had Arizona winning

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the whole thing. Yeah, what about you? I did

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not fill out a full bracket. I just bet on a

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couple of random games for fun. Ooh, you were

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better. It's a sweet $7 bet, so watch yourself

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there. Dang. Dude, Iron Root's doing really well.

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You're just throwing hundreds of thousands of

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dollars on betting. I had Howard going all the

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way. Howard? Really? How's that working out for

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you? Bold stretch. They're down by 30 at this

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point. Yeah, but they're 24 and 10. I bet $10

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if they would have won. Yeah. cashed in it's

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a million dollars i believe you would have won

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a four dollar bet i never i never really got

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into march madness i didn't get into i've never

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really got into college period i used to be into

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college basketball it's completely changed i

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think it's probably five years to ten years in

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front of the football but i was watching it back

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when uh the Players would stay at a team for

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four years. Yeah. So I was watching Patrick Ewing.

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I was watching the Christian Leitners and all

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them. So you could follow them. I remember watching

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Georgetown every single year when they were good

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and they had George and all of that stuff. Pat

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Ewing looked like a full -grown man. He did.

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It was ridiculous. You know, and you had a twin

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towel. Like a 40 -year -old man. The point is

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you would get excited when they were a freshman.

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Correct. And you're like, dude, they're going

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to develop into an amazing player. But then they'd

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leave. Correct. Sorry, go ahead. No, I'm sorry.

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Go ahead. Well, now the players move around and

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leave more frequently. I'm afraid the football

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is going to be getting there. But I think the

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NFL has different rules on how many years you

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have to play in college before you can join the

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NFL. For now. I think the NBA has you've got

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to play just one year. The NBA, I mean, you can

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go from high school. Well, that's true. Cooper

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Flagg is 19. He was 18. How do you feel about

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that? Kobe and LeBron both went directly from

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high school. There's been a handful of them.

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Kevin Garnett was another one that went straight

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from high school. I personally think that if

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– I think they need to graduate first. Do your

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four years, and then you can jump on there. I

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agree. I think they need to go and stay with

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the school. I think the NIL has ruined – Again,

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I think the basketball is farther along that

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line than – Just because you can get out of the

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college into the NBA in one year. I'm going to

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be a little bit of a dissenter on this one. My

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sister -in -law tutored a lot of college football

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players at Texas Tech while she was there. And

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her commentary of what those kids, even though

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they graduated technically, what that ends up

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actually being, what that really looks like,

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is not... It's not really a degree. Yeah, no.

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And not really going to help them. No, not at

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the end of the day. And it's not going to be

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something they can fall back on. It's a ceremonial

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degree. You know, it's like, hey, you got your

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honorary doctorate by going to this school. Right.

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Bill Cosby got one of those. So does it really

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help them or should they just go make money?

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Yeah, or, I mean, is it really, if it's something

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that's just for show and it's not actually meaningfully

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teaching these student athletes things and they're

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not actually taking classes. Right. You know,

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like, do they really need the degree at the end

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of the day? I mean, the reality is, so let's

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say they play three years. And football is even

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worse than basketball, right? Because they get

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hurt. They don't play very long. You play football

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for three years in the NFL, okay? And then, you

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know, then what? And if you're not getting a

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degree. You write a book. Right. If you're not

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getting a degree. You coach. And remember, most

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of the guys are not superstars. Most of them

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don't make. Phenomenal crazy money. Is that why?

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I mean, are you a supporter of college football

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players getting paid? No. I mean, if you're going

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to have video games that are making money off

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of their likeness and those sorts of things,

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then to me, they are taking advantage of the

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players. I'm okay with the video game companies

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paying them. I'm not okay with the boosters and

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the colleges paying them. Because in my opinion,

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if you're on a scholarship, you're getting paid

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to go to school. Yes. True. That's what they're

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getting paid for. Now, if you're being used in

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games and all that stuff, I think those companies

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should pay them. Stuff like that. If you're using

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their likeness, how would that be different,

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though? I mean, to me, when you start looking

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at competitive advantages of going to different

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schools and what you can get, the boosters actually

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make a big impact of who's going to go to what

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school at the end of the day. And so to me, it

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takes some of the kind of like... That was one

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of the things I loved about college is that how...

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you could have a school that was relatively unknown

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come out of nowhere. I mean, Indiana did it this

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year. Yeah, 100%. There you go. And they just

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stole all their old players from wherever that

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coach was from. I guess, what was it? Texas Tech,

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you know, they hired a bunch of kids. Hired a

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bunch of kids, yeah. Well, I think what Texas

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Tech is, all the other schools were doing it

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at that volume. Texas Tech historically had not

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done it at that volume. So now they're doing

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it at that volume. And they're competing. And

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they're competing now. Historically, they were

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not like that. So if they continue on this trend,

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they may be in the top echelon from here on out.

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And it's about who can pony up the money. Yeah.

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And not all colleges can. At the end of the day,

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when you look at it, if the boosters, if they're

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not paying the students, they're going to be

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paying the coaches. And then you have situations

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like A &M where they're... The booster's bought

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out. $70 million. $65 million. Yeah, I can't

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believe that. That was ridiculous. When I look

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at A &M's estate school, and an estate school

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is paying a coach this much money, that's tax

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dollars from regular people going to this, essentially.

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Yeah, but we got refunds. I got a refund. Did

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you really? Yeah, I went to A &M. From your property

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tax, you got the refund? It's called the Jimbo

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Refund. Did you not get one? Yeah, I got it.

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Those are a line item down there. I know. That,

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to me, that's when I started looking at it. For

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me, it's like, yeah, do these schools, do they

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raise a bunch of money for the schools? Yes.

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To me, it's one of those things like looking

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at if the school's able to generate funds for

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the school as a state school for the purpose

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of what it is. Not recruitment, but for the school.

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No, I'm saying non - athletic recruitment yes

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100 i mean when you raise the profile of the

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school because the athletics are exciting and

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and they're doing well people want to go to that

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school for other for other disciplines for other

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careers and i'm and that's when i'm all there

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but again one of my biggest issues like with

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schools today is you know i go back and i look

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and i talked to my dad when he was going to college

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he would during the summers he would work and

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during the summers he could earn enough money

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to pay for school and pay for a living and that's

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it's essentially impossible now you can't do

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that i know and to me like it's schools have

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developed in such a way where they have you know

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the climbing gym and the and the and the lazy

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rivers and all the cool stuff that it's a racket

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but it costs so much money to operate that it

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raised the cost of all these schools and now

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you you can't you have to incur debt in order

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to go and what they pay for their teachers and

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not to mention the professors it's a racket dude

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it's a total racket And the levels of administration.

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For what you're getting. And these rec centers

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at some of these colleges are just... They're

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insane. Insane. And the literature that they...

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Not the literature, but the curriculum that they

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provide. And the teachers, how corrupt they are.

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And how jaded regarding left and right politics.

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You know, it's just like, what are we doing with

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this school nowadays? Or if you go to a school

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that has this really well -known professor, but...

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The professor's not actually teaching the class.

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It's the student aides. The TAs are teaching

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it. That's insane. And he's making $3 million

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a year. And that TA, in order to teach that class,

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is incurring $30 ,000 in debt every year for

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the privilege of teaching other students. I would

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recommend they come up with a new strain of schools.

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And maybe they'd have one. It's called community

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college. But where you focus on education. I

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hear you. And that's it. Collin College is like

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that. There are no sports. Yeah, and I'm all

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for it. I think there should be more schools

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like that. Look, if you want to play sports,

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I get it. Essentially, it's a league. Then you

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look at Grayson College, community college with

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the baseball team, a lot of MLB players came

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from that team. And you start looking at community

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college has a baseball team? I had no idea about

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any of this. It's kind of crazy. Didn't Cam Newton

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come from Blinn? Yes, he went there briefly.

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So here's a reality about... junior college sports

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that people don't know. There are very high quality

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division one quality players in, in junior sports,

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junior, but they can't get into the colleges,

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right? Yeah. Their academics are so fucking horrible

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that they can't even get in. But these, and so

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here's the thing for somebody who's like a, a

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star high school player, but you're not good

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enough for Division I, you think, okay, I'm going

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to go to a junior college, I'm going to prove

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myself there, and then I'm going to try to work

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my way into transfer, right? And then they see

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the talent that they're up against in the junior

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college, and they're like, I have no shot. These

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guys are better than... I need to go to class

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and start learning what I'm supposed to be learning.

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Exactly right. Because these guys are better

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than a lot of Division I schools, simply because

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they don't have the academics to get into those

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colleges. It's crazy. Yeah, there's a program

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out. It's a reality show where they were following

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one of those JUCOs. And a lot of them are problem

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kids, too, where they were at these D1 schools.

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They got kicked out because they were just not

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good people. So they are at these JUCOs trying

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to rehabilitate themselves. Like the 48 -step

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program. 48, yeah. Hey, they do work. Do they

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work? Yes. Do they show a lot of trouble? Well,

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there's definitely an increase. He's been through

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it four times. After you get past the 28th step,

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chances of success increase. I've got like hundreds

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of coins, you know? So it's really like 200 -step

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program. Right. Okay, never mind. Sorry, Jeff,

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I cut you off. Juco. Oh, no, I was just saying,

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I don't think the program's out anymore, but

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it was interesting because I'd watch it and these

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kids were... And you'd bang your head against

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the wall. You're like, you have everything in

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front of you, but you're just mentally, emotionally,

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you can't put it together. You know what that's

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called? The frontal lobe development. A lot of

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these kids didn't have it. None of our kids have

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it. I mean, dude, we're being asked, we're asking

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our youth, especially men, boys, boys, they really

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are boys. We're asking them at 18, 19, 20, and

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21 to make decisions for the rest of their lives.

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And their frontal lobe developed, their frontal

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lobe is not even remotely developed. It's kind

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of like the military. You're sending them out

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to war at that age. Right. Well, that's perfect

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for war because it's like, charge over that hill.

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Okay, I'll do it. Because you're not... Are you

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following me here? I think you're thinking financially

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is they can't think ahead of themselves. They're

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like, I'm going to buy this big old house, this

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car, this whatever. That's why I think it's irresponsible

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for them to be getting money at that age. You

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know, especially if it's going to be part of

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the curriculum. You know, and at the same time,

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you're like, all right, well, the schools are...

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I thought you were talking about soldiers. I

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was like, well, I think they should get paid.

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I'm on with that. They should get paid more than

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other people. Yeah, for sure. In my opinion.

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I think that, well, whatever. I don't want to

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talk about military, but, you know, what is the...

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Do they have the WNBA? Is there, like, the sport

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of the Olympics now? You know what? The Olympics

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are done. What's crazy is the NIL has allowed

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a lot of the, like, secondary sports. Start making

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a lot of money through things like Nellie, who

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works for us, she has a niece who actually, she

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was a gymnast at one of the major colleges. And

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through TikTok, and because of the NIL, was able

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to make a living and actually develop a whole

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career. Love it. Just off of that. Her niece

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is Livvy Dunn. That's amazing. Friends with Livvy

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Dunn, actually, which is the ironic part of it.

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LSU, really? Yeah. She went to the wedding, Olivia

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Dunn and Paul Skeens. Are you serious? No. That's

00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.380
awesome. He was in Deadpool, I do believe. Paul

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Skeens? Yes. What? Isn't that his name? Isn't

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he an actor? Ryan Reynolds? No, he's a baseball

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player. Paul Skeens? Oh, well, I mean, Deadpool.

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Paul Skeens, the Pittsburgh Pirate. Oh, I don't

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know. Yeah, he's a baseball player. There's an

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actor with the last name Skeen as well. Oh, I

00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:39.420
thought you'd be a smartass. Okay. Okay, so here's

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what's crazy about this story. She was massive

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before anybody knew who he was. Yeah. Right?

00:19:46.460 --> 00:19:49.519
Kind of like Bonnie Blue? So here she is as the

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LSU gymnast, but she became a TikTok... Sensation,

00:19:54.319 --> 00:19:57.059
yeah. Yeah, sensation. Perfect word. And then

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they're talking about how she's not available,

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she's dating this guy, and who's this guy? He's

00:20:02.140 --> 00:20:04.779
a baseball player for LSU, right? But was she...

00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:07.660
I mean, was it kind of nefarious TikTok style?

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No, no, no. Not at all. It was based on gymnastics.

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Oh, okay. But she's hot and she's like, you know.

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Anyway, he's kind of dorky with his mustache.

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He turns out to be like a fucking stud in the

00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:24.480
Major League Baseball. He's one of the top pitchers

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in the league. Unbelievable. As a second year

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player this year. Talk about a power couple.

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Yeah. It's insane. Insane. So I mentioned a moment

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ago about Caitlin Clark joining the Olympics.

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And it says, as of March 2026, Clark is actively

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participating in the U .S. Women's National Team

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events. I just thought that was interesting.

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So it's not the Olympics. It's not. Right. So

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they just had a tournament in San Juan. Yes.

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And, of course, they crushed everybody. But the

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whole story was Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark

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are on the same. Team USA. And are they playing

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well together? Well, they are, but it's like

00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:08.000
they won. I mean, she went to the end of the

00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:10.980
line and Reese held out her hand and Caitlin

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turned away from her. Oh, come on. Every single

00:21:14.990 --> 00:21:18.569
story I read is how they're feeding into this

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Reese and Caitlin Clark hating each other. If

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I was the two of them, though, I would feed into

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it because it creates a storyline and builds

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up the WNBA. I'm wondering if they're doing it

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on purpose. I literally, because it's ridiculous.

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My heart hopes that they are because it would

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be genius. It would be. You need to have a good

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guy and bad guy colliding to build. A little

00:21:40.049 --> 00:21:43.089
yin and yang. Yeah. You need that to make. Yes.

00:21:43.130 --> 00:21:45.329
To make the WNBA raise its profile. And they

00:21:45.329 --> 00:21:47.490
need that because the WNBA needs it. They need

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some help. I mean, it's getting better. And frankly,

00:21:49.970 --> 00:21:52.390
Kate and Clark's put a big spark in that program.

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Is that season kicked off yet? No, it's been

00:21:56.529 --> 00:21:58.690
delayed because they were haggling over their

00:21:58.690 --> 00:22:02.650
player, you know, owners and players. But they

00:22:02.650 --> 00:22:05.049
verbally came to an agreement yesterday. Good.

00:22:06.190 --> 00:22:08.170
But the problem is they've never made a penny,

00:22:08.309 --> 00:22:10.069
right? I mean, it's like, don't get crazy. It's

00:22:10.069 --> 00:22:13.009
all subsidized by the NBA. Yes, and don't, I

00:22:13.009 --> 00:22:16.490
mean, they are on the precipice of actually doing

00:22:16.490 --> 00:22:18.009
something real. I think with Caitlyn and Angel

00:22:18.009 --> 00:22:23.690
Reese. And now Paige. Beckers or whatever. She's

00:22:23.690 --> 00:22:27.210
a stud. I think when you have the personalities,

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that raises the profile of the entire league.

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I mean, look at even the NBA when it was struggling.

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When you started having the big stars, it really

00:22:35.059 --> 00:22:37.359
started... Larry Bird, Magic Johnson. Yeah, going

00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:39.460
back and forth. Michael Jordan. Everybody starts

00:22:39.460 --> 00:22:42.599
watching, becomes must -watch TV, and again,

00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:45.299
what happened? You had that occur, you had Michael

00:22:45.299 --> 00:22:47.720
Jordan, and that started happening. Yeah, Larry

00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:51.400
Bird was a huge asshole on the ball, while he

00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:53.660
played ball. When you hear him mic'd up, oh my

00:22:53.660 --> 00:22:57.160
goodness gracious. He would talk shit. But he

00:22:57.160 --> 00:22:59.960
could back it up, is the thing. I was watching

00:22:59.960 --> 00:23:03.009
this montage of... games during those days and

00:23:03.009 --> 00:23:05.930
the fights during those days, it was brutal.

00:23:06.250 --> 00:23:09.190
Like the Celtics and the Pistons, they were like.

00:23:09.329 --> 00:23:11.369
Oh, yeah. I mean, they were clotheslining each

00:23:11.369 --> 00:23:14.849
other in, like, brawls. I mean, I was like, holy

00:23:14.849 --> 00:23:17.089
shit. I don't remember that stuff. They don't

00:23:17.089 --> 00:23:18.670
play like that anymore. And I watched it. I watched

00:23:18.670 --> 00:23:20.730
all of that. It was normal back then. The cameras

00:23:20.730 --> 00:23:22.769
are a little bit different now. I mean, they're

00:23:22.769 --> 00:23:25.289
excellent. Fucking Bill Lambert, Mr. Cheap Shot.

00:23:25.470 --> 00:23:27.869
Remember him? Oh, yeah, Bill Lambert. Oh, my

00:23:27.869 --> 00:23:30.650
God. If you breathe on LeBron right now, he flops

00:23:30.650 --> 00:23:32.490
to the ground. So, you know, what are you going

00:23:32.490 --> 00:23:34.190
to do? That's why I don't watch it. When you

00:23:34.190 --> 00:23:37.109
see how the NBA is now, it's more popular than

00:23:37.109 --> 00:23:41.690
baseball, but baseball, they had the fight where

00:23:41.690 --> 00:23:44.130
they had the lockout season, and that's when

00:23:44.130 --> 00:23:46.750
the NBA with Michael Jordan and everything just

00:23:46.750 --> 00:23:50.710
skyrocketed. Without those personalities, the

00:23:50.710 --> 00:23:55.230
NBA never would have done that. MLB did the dumbest

00:23:55.230 --> 00:23:57.049
thing they ever did. I don't think they've ever

00:23:57.049 --> 00:24:00.710
recovered truly from that. Once you get a group

00:24:00.710 --> 00:24:04.200
of folks like that that strike, It doesn't sit

00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:06.140
well with me. I know you said before that you

00:24:06.140 --> 00:24:08.279
lost baseball when that happened. Yeah, when

00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:10.059
that happened, I dropped them. It's because you

00:24:10.059 --> 00:24:12.160
guys are making a ridiculous amount of money.

00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:14.660
There are people out there that are just struggling.

00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:16.799
They're struggling, and here you are. You play

00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:19.440
a game. Every sport's done it. Hockey did the

00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:23.299
lockout. And even the NFL in 1987, they played

00:24:23.299 --> 00:24:25.980
the scrub games. Never works out. Remember the

00:24:25.980 --> 00:24:28.559
scrub games? Although that did give us the movie,

00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:31.640
the... Replacements? The Replacements. Was that

00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:33.640
not a great movie, by the way? That was Keanu

00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:36.339
Reeves, right? Yeah, it was. He's a stud, by

00:24:36.339 --> 00:24:37.740
the way. Was he doing matrix moves? The guy that

00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:41.160
was smoking, that was the kicker. I love that

00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:44.099
movie so much, but yeah. No, to me, that's the

00:24:44.099 --> 00:24:45.519
best thing that came out of that lockout was

00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:47.680
like, hey, what if it happened today? Well, I

00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:49.940
think I heard that there's a chance that there

00:24:49.940 --> 00:24:52.799
may be another baseball lockout here in the next

00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:55.160
year or two years. It never ends. These guys

00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:58.240
make $300 million a year. I mean, not a year,

00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:01.839
but. I mean, Shohei, what's his contract? 700

00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:04.859
million, isn't it? Are you kidding me? Yes, but

00:25:04.859 --> 00:25:08.420
no. To be fair. I don't think there's ever been

00:25:08.420 --> 00:25:10.940
a baseball player like him. A pitcher that can

00:25:10.940 --> 00:25:12.819
hit home runs. Right, since Babe Ruth, right?

00:25:12.859 --> 00:25:15.019
Yeah, essentially. Unbelievable. And he can actually

00:25:15.019 --> 00:25:18.319
steal bases, unlike Babe Ruth. But the way they're

00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:19.960
getting around it is he's getting paid like a

00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.819
million dollars a year. He's going to play for

00:25:22.819 --> 00:25:25.180
700 years? No, he's going to play, and then he's

00:25:25.180 --> 00:25:26.579
going to retire, and then they're going to pay

00:25:26.579 --> 00:25:29.539
his ass. So it's all back and loaded. And they're

00:25:29.539 --> 00:25:31.279
very carefully saving the money. But the Dodgers

00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:34.019
are looking at the money they're going to make

00:25:34.019 --> 00:25:36.640
from the TV rights in Asia. Off of Showtime.

00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:41.099
It's unbelievable. It's a hell of an investment

00:25:41.099 --> 00:25:43.799
and confidence to do it, but they can pull it

00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.460
off. Is this the guy whose translator stole his

00:25:46.460 --> 00:25:50.799
money? That guy, right? Fortunately for him,

00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:52.480
he has a contract that doesn't really matter.

00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:56.059
You guys know what I'm talking about, right?

00:25:56.420 --> 00:26:00.130
No, I didn't hear that story. His translator

00:26:00.130 --> 00:26:02.430
stole his money like how much? Like tens of millions

00:26:02.430 --> 00:26:06.349
of dollars. Oh my gosh. Am I wrong? It was like

00:26:06.349 --> 00:26:09.190
10 or 15 million, something like that. And he's

00:26:09.190 --> 00:26:11.230
rotting in jail. How much money? 17 million.

00:26:11.650 --> 00:26:15.390
17, yeah. Oh, and he got caught. Yeah, he's rotting

00:26:15.390 --> 00:26:18.210
in jail for 57 months in federal prison. Did

00:26:18.210 --> 00:26:20.710
he get his money back? No, he was allowed to

00:26:20.710 --> 00:26:23.319
keep it. Yeah, they're like, you're fine. You're

00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:24.980
good. Don't worry about it. I mean, if you can

00:26:24.980 --> 00:26:26.480
do the time, I might as well just keep the money.

00:26:26.539 --> 00:26:28.099
Are you going to pay the taxes on it? Can I shop

00:26:28.099 --> 00:26:31.859
with some gold bullion? No, I'm sure he didn't

00:26:31.859 --> 00:26:36.059
get to keep it. Crazy. That's crazy. Well, when

00:26:36.059 --> 00:26:38.539
you're talking that much money, people get crazy

00:26:38.539 --> 00:26:41.759
greedy and stupid. I mean, how many times do

00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:44.500
you hear Hollywood actors? Losing all their money?

00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:46.799
Yeah, their managers. Their parents will do it.

00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:50.140
But also, what a sweet gig. You were probably

00:26:50.140 --> 00:26:52.319
making hundreds of thousands of dollars just

00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:55.099
being the translator for the best baseball player

00:26:55.099 --> 00:26:57.980
ever. That should have been enough. How the hell

00:26:57.980 --> 00:27:02.460
was he given the authority to be able to get

00:27:02.460 --> 00:27:05.059
that money, to gain access to that? No idea.

00:27:05.549 --> 00:27:08.430
Okay, so I just think the book rights that guy

00:27:08.430 --> 00:27:09.809
could have gotten, like, hey, I was the translator

00:27:09.809 --> 00:27:13.150
for Shohei. Like, the movie or TV, whatever.

00:27:13.390 --> 00:27:16.710
Like, the guy was set for life and... And blew

00:27:16.710 --> 00:27:19.230
it. Blew it. If you think about it, 57 months

00:27:19.230 --> 00:27:22.009
isn't that long. Actually. I mean, well, you

00:27:22.009 --> 00:27:23.750
can't keep the money. Well, how do you know?

00:27:24.170 --> 00:27:26.089
I don't know. He kept some of it. Well, he said,

00:27:26.150 --> 00:27:29.190
in order to pay back the $17 million plus 1 .1

00:27:29.190 --> 00:27:31.690
to the IRS. Damn it. See? Well, it says that

00:27:31.690 --> 00:27:34.829
he... Crime doesn't pay. He keistered it. He

00:27:34.829 --> 00:27:39.170
imitated Ohtani, so he would log into their accounts

00:27:39.170 --> 00:27:42.609
and make changes, posing as Ohtani. That takes

00:27:42.609 --> 00:27:46.549
balls. That takes balls. Again, as we say, bold

00:27:46.549 --> 00:27:49.269
strategy. Bold strategy. Didn't work out for

00:27:49.269 --> 00:27:50.950
Ohtani. And I just read a story. I just read

00:27:50.950 --> 00:27:57.289
a story. Sports Illustrated supermodel. Kathy

00:27:57.289 --> 00:28:00.230
Ireland. Kathy Ireland. And she went on to have

00:28:00.230 --> 00:28:03.490
her own brand and I don't know if it was makeup

00:28:03.490 --> 00:28:07.029
or clothes or whatever. She just filed a lawsuit.

00:28:07.769 --> 00:28:10.230
You're talking about Kathy Ireland, the 80s kind

00:28:10.230 --> 00:28:12.849
of model? Swimsuit model, yeah. Oh, dude, I had

00:28:12.849 --> 00:28:16.089
her posters for Budweiser. Literally this week

00:28:16.089 --> 00:28:19.250
came out with a massive lawsuit against her management

00:28:19.250 --> 00:28:22.230
team. They bilked her for hundreds of millions

00:28:22.230 --> 00:28:24.589
of dollars. Like, almost all of it. Almost all

00:28:24.589 --> 00:28:26.990
of it. She's bankrupt. Like, I don't think she's

00:28:26.990 --> 00:28:30.049
bankrupt, but crazy. Did she have, like, a mom

00:28:30.049 --> 00:28:32.769
that was her manager? Yeah. Long -term business

00:28:32.769 --> 00:28:35.470
managers alleging they swindled her and her husband

00:28:35.470 --> 00:28:40.109
$100 million. Good Lord. It alleges the defendants

00:28:40.109 --> 00:28:42.809
took out loans in Ireland's name, drained savings,

00:28:43.150 --> 00:28:45.309
and misled her regarding her financial health.

00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:48.160
Decades. And they kept asking them, hey, how

00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:52.619
are we doing? Oh, your great -great -grandkids

00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:54.220
will never have to worry. And they were like,

00:28:54.259 --> 00:28:56.039
okay, thanks. Don't worry. We gave it all to

00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:59.119
Bernie Madoff. You're set. You're great. It's

00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:00.900
amazing. Can you imagine having that kind of

00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:03.599
trust in somebody, and then you have nothing

00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:05.220
when you look in your bank account? Well, when

00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:07.460
you hand over your funds to a financial planner,

00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:09.299
you're doing that. I've got one, and you're just

00:29:09.299 --> 00:29:14.640
like, is he a Madoff? You hope not. Wow. If you

00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.980
give your money to somebody named Made Off, you

00:29:17.980 --> 00:29:20.000
get what you deserve. That's a good point. Yeah,

00:29:20.059 --> 00:29:21.940
she was spoken on. She is still actually very,

00:29:22.019 --> 00:29:25.059
very pretty. Yes. What a horrible story. Yeah.

00:29:25.579 --> 00:29:27.740
So our management team for the Dudes Like Us

00:29:27.740 --> 00:29:29.980
podcast, are they? Do we cheat them and how?

00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:36.599
Yeah, they're great. What was that from? It's

00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:41.539
the Three Stooges. Okay. Anyway, wow, we're all

00:29:41.539 --> 00:29:44.150
over the place. This is how this podcast goes.

00:29:44.230 --> 00:29:45.950
We haven't even looked at the board. We started

00:29:45.950 --> 00:29:47.809
with the NCAA tournament. Oh, we did with the

00:29:47.809 --> 00:29:49.690
tournament, yeah. And look where we are. That's

00:29:49.690 --> 00:29:52.769
all right. You know, look, we're excited. You

00:29:52.769 --> 00:29:55.509
brought in several selections, and the first

00:29:55.509 --> 00:29:57.690
half, we've already discussed that, and we ranked

00:29:57.690 --> 00:29:59.829
it very high. The second half is a seller reserve.

00:30:00.009 --> 00:30:02.309
Typically, we wait towards the end of the podcast.

00:30:02.369 --> 00:30:04.049
Let's go ahead and just dive into this now. I

00:30:04.049 --> 00:30:06.089
noticed this one's in the older style bottle.

00:30:06.470 --> 00:30:09.460
Come on. Yeah, the old shit. What's going on

00:30:09.460 --> 00:30:12.559
here? So old school. He's tearing it out. I brought

00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:15.079
you a November, December release. I apologize.

00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:18.859
It's okay. Hey, you gave it your best effort,

00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:21.759
man. I tried. I tried. So this is the second

00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:23.660
edition of this, it says. Is that what that means?

00:30:24.019 --> 00:30:26.720
Technically, it is the second batch. The first

00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.599
batch, the initial one we did was only 200 cases

00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.089
of it, just because we wanted to see. how people

00:30:33.089 --> 00:30:37.009
responded and it sold out within about four days.

00:30:37.410 --> 00:30:40.170
And so we were like, Oh God, we got to make more.

00:30:40.210 --> 00:30:42.569
So we made, we had a, we made a second batch

00:30:42.569 --> 00:30:46.670
of it. How often does that happen where you undershoot

00:30:46.670 --> 00:30:50.250
where the demand completely overshoots what you

00:30:50.250 --> 00:30:52.089
thought? Typically we undershoot cause I'm a

00:30:52.089 --> 00:30:54.670
very pessimistic person when it comes to the

00:30:54.670 --> 00:30:57.769
stuff. Uh, normal, a lot of times we don't have

00:30:57.769 --> 00:30:59.730
the ability to make a second batch that quickly,

00:30:59.730 --> 00:31:03.000
but we had, enough aging of this because there's

00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:05.140
certain like the finishing cast we use for this

00:31:05.140 --> 00:31:07.599
like they're some of my favorite barrels so i

00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:10.220
always make my brother stuff those barrels full

00:31:10.220 --> 00:31:13.140
so nice um so we were able to make another batch

00:31:13.140 --> 00:31:16.960
um more quickly than we would normally but do

00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:20.000
you ever have to age it no it was aging alongside

00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.779
so this is actually this actually was in barrel

00:31:22.779 --> 00:31:25.180
the same length or actually longer than what

00:31:25.180 --> 00:31:27.500
the first one i got you i got you So you convinced

00:31:27.500 --> 00:31:29.799
him to not age it longer and release it. I was

00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.619
like, it's already really good. Do you ever refill

00:31:32.619 --> 00:31:35.339
some of these barrels? Oh, yeah. You know, about

00:31:35.339 --> 00:31:38.259
20 % of our barrels were refilled. Well, I meant

00:31:38.259 --> 00:31:40.480
like you have a barrel. It's been sitting there

00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:44.119
six years, and you've lost 20 % of it. Do you

00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:46.579
ever cap it off back off? Oh, good question.

00:31:46.819 --> 00:31:51.359
No. Typically, the government gets really finicky

00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:53.240
if you try to do that. That messes with things.

00:31:53.950 --> 00:31:55.509
The only way that you would do that is if you're

00:31:55.509 --> 00:31:57.910
building like a Solera system of where you're

00:31:57.910 --> 00:32:00.089
pulling off some and then you're filtering down,

00:32:00.210 --> 00:32:03.309
like filling down. I don't understand that. So

00:32:03.309 --> 00:32:07.569
this was really developed with like fortified

00:32:07.569 --> 00:32:10.109
wines originally, but you'll see occasionally

00:32:10.109 --> 00:32:12.470
done with whiskey. Occasionally what they do

00:32:12.470 --> 00:32:14.490
is they take like the, let's say you start out

00:32:14.490 --> 00:32:17.950
with your oldest whiskey. You had like 10 barrels

00:32:17.950 --> 00:32:20.640
of it. And then you had 10 barrels of a year

00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:22.640
younger whiskey and 10 barrels of a year younger

00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:24.700
than that. Okay. And you'd build four or five

00:32:24.700 --> 00:32:29.039
years worth or six years worth of casks of these

00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:31.839
ages. Okay. So the first batch, you'd just pull

00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:33.599
off half of the bottom barrels. Essentially,

00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:35.759
it's like, hey, I have 10 -year -old whiskey.

00:32:35.819 --> 00:32:38.779
We bottled this 10 -year -old whiskey. Half of

00:32:38.779 --> 00:32:40.400
it? Yeah, half of what was in those barrels.

00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:42.200
And then what you do is you take half of the

00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:44.619
barrels that were a year younger and you fill

00:32:44.619 --> 00:32:46.539
it into those barrels and it fills the barrels

00:32:46.539 --> 00:32:49.259
back up. So now you have half of it's the older

00:32:49.259 --> 00:32:51.200
whiskey and half of it's a year younger. Sure.

00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:54.259
That's going to age another year. And then when

00:32:54.259 --> 00:32:57.039
the time comes, you pull half of those barrels

00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:59.480
out again, that mixture. And you just keep doing

00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:01.059
it. And you keep filtering down. And you can

00:33:01.059 --> 00:33:05.000
have it, you know, some of the Soleras that are

00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:09.220
on the port side could be 10, 20, 30 years of

00:33:09.220 --> 00:33:11.880
their aging. You're just slowly filtering it

00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:13.759
down into the barrels that you're going to pull

00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.269
out of. for bottling so ultimately you have a

00:33:16.269 --> 00:33:19.210
little bit of like super old stuff in there right

00:33:19.210 --> 00:33:21.730
you'll see somebody like hey this has some 100

00:33:21.730 --> 00:33:25.309
year old you know 100 year old port in there

00:33:25.309 --> 00:33:27.549
and there is theoretically a small yes there's

00:33:27.549 --> 00:33:29.750
a small portion but what you do is you end up

00:33:29.750 --> 00:33:32.269
doing because one it helps create consistency

00:33:32.269 --> 00:33:34.869
with product because it's you're blending down

00:33:34.869 --> 00:33:37.269
into what was previously released so you have

00:33:37.269 --> 00:33:39.109
okay some of what was already there and blending

00:33:39.109 --> 00:33:42.700
the new in And also it is adding a little bit

00:33:42.700 --> 00:33:44.980
of age to that final product every single time

00:33:44.980 --> 00:33:47.819
you do it because the stuff's been in barrels

00:33:47.819 --> 00:33:50.819
slightly longer. So it's kind of a combination

00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:52.779
of things that you'll see done on that end. So

00:33:52.779 --> 00:33:55.599
that's what a Solaris system is. But like with

00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:58.339
bourbon, the moment you pull it out of a barrel,

00:33:58.420 --> 00:34:00.180
you can't put it into a barrel that's already

00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:02.180
had product in it because then it's not bourbon

00:34:02.180 --> 00:34:03.759
anymore. Because of the rules. Yeah, you'd have

00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:05.359
to put it in another brand new barrel. Oh, I

00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:06.619
see. That makes sense. You have to double oak

00:34:06.619 --> 00:34:10.820
it. Was it there? Is it Castle and Key? There's

00:34:10.820 --> 00:34:13.659
one, or is it Blade and Bow? There's one that

00:34:13.659 --> 00:34:16.559
does a Solera. It's the old Stitzel Weller, isn't

00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:19.960
it? Yeah, Blade and Bow. They said, well, there's

00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:23.000
still some original of the old Stitzel Weller

00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.059
in there because we use a Solera, right? Kind

00:34:25.059 --> 00:34:27.059
of a Hunter Stew. And you're thinking, well,

00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:29.579
how much is that? Whatever Diageo does on that

00:34:29.579 --> 00:34:32.000
end, I don't know. But you can do it. That's

00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:33.420
what they say. You can do it. You just can't

00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:35.539
call it a bourbon. It's not technically bourbon

00:34:35.539 --> 00:34:36.699
anymore. Right, you call it whiskey. If someone

00:34:36.699 --> 00:34:38.599
calls it bourbon, I have a lot of questions.

00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:41.619
I've seen it where they've called it bourbon

00:34:41.619 --> 00:34:43.820
and the argument has been, well, the barrel wasn't

00:34:43.820 --> 00:34:45.440
completely empty, so technically it was still

00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.500
a new barrel because we didn't reuse it. So there's

00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:53.719
some ambiguity in the rule? Even within whiskey,

00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:55.900
there's a lot of ambiguity within the rules.

00:34:57.099 --> 00:35:00.400
Interesting. Now, and not that people take advantage

00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.239
of some of these things that are ambiguities,

00:35:02.260 --> 00:35:04.300
but there are some that exist that theoretically

00:35:04.300 --> 00:35:06.320
you could look at doing if you wanted to. Like

00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:09.760
one of the ones... that exists is so, like bourbon,

00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:13.760
especially a bourbon that's over 80 % corn, is

00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.039
technically corn whiskey. The moment it stills,

00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:17.820
it's corn whiskey. Yeah. But if you put it into

00:35:17.820 --> 00:35:20.619
a new barrel, it becomes bourbon. Right. So if

00:35:20.619 --> 00:35:22.260
you took corn whiskey and put it into a - At

00:35:22.260 --> 00:35:25.059
least two years, yeah. No. No, there's no age

00:35:25.059 --> 00:35:29.260
requirement for bourbon. To be a straight. A

00:35:29.260 --> 00:35:31.960
straight. Straight whiskey has to be at least

00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:34.820
two years. My bad. That's one of my pet peeves.

00:35:35.659 --> 00:35:38.659
I mean, you talk about what grinds my gears is

00:35:38.659 --> 00:35:41.440
straight bourbon. And you go to the store and

00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:44.460
you look at some of these bottles that are up

00:35:44.460 --> 00:35:47.099
there and they got a tiny hint of yellow. And

00:35:47.099 --> 00:35:50.320
you're like, what? Did they not use an actual

00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.980
barrel? Did they just pour the distillate onto

00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:55.739
a bunch of oak chips and let it fall into the

00:35:55.739 --> 00:36:00.139
bottle? It's just ridiculous. No taste. Theoretically,

00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.460
you could take a barrel, a brand new barrel,

00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:05.260
cut a hole in one end. And if you had a still

00:36:05.260 --> 00:36:07.179
that just continuously ran and it went directly

00:36:07.179 --> 00:36:09.000
into the barrel and it just ran through the barrel

00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:11.920
and out the other side, you could... It's a bourbon.

00:36:11.980 --> 00:36:14.480
It's bourbon. As long as it never stops filling,

00:36:14.699 --> 00:36:17.340
it technically is still a new barrel because

00:36:17.340 --> 00:36:20.900
you've never... Did anybody do that? No. Pabst.

00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:24.000
Something like that. Pabst had a 32nd age whiskey.

00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:25.300
They didn't call it bourbon because they were

00:36:25.300 --> 00:36:27.599
smarter than that. They would have gotten a lot

00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.989
of crap. It was Pabst, yep. A subsidiary of Pabst

00:36:30.989 --> 00:36:33.050
Blue Ribbon? Yep. Yes. Oh, yeah. They had a whiskey

00:36:33.050 --> 00:36:38.789
that was 30 seconds aged. Oh. That's also Blanton's,

00:36:38.789 --> 00:36:43.610
isn't it? Oh, jeez. Whoa. Shock. Shots fired.

00:36:43.949 --> 00:36:46.130
Lobbing bombs. Everybody get down. Get down.

00:36:46.210 --> 00:36:49.590
Lobbing bombs. Have you had the privilege of

00:36:49.590 --> 00:36:51.590
tasting the Pabst? Paul's on the 50 -step program.

00:36:51.690 --> 00:36:55.030
Oh, I have had the privilege, and it is a privilege,

00:36:55.130 --> 00:36:59.869
let me tell you. Oh, goodness. Oh, shit. 30 seconds.

00:37:02.030 --> 00:37:03.769
Theoretically, if something is corn whiskey,

00:37:03.949 --> 00:37:06.769
it could always technically become bourbon. At

00:37:06.769 --> 00:37:08.369
least that's the argument. Now, I've never seen

00:37:08.369 --> 00:37:11.550
anyone age corn whiskey for 10 years in a used

00:37:11.550 --> 00:37:12.989
barrel and then move it to a new barrel and then

00:37:12.989 --> 00:37:16.289
call it bourbon. Why would you do that? It's

00:37:16.289 --> 00:37:20.230
a gray area of whether you could do that. But

00:37:20.230 --> 00:37:22.309
that's not the point. I could see you guys doing

00:37:22.309 --> 00:37:24.369
it as an experiment. I could see anybody doing

00:37:24.369 --> 00:37:26.190
it as an experiment. But not calling it bourbon.

00:37:26.650 --> 00:37:28.349
Personally, I wouldn't call it bourbon. I may

00:37:28.349 --> 00:37:31.429
put bourbon in parentheses, but no, I would never

00:37:31.429 --> 00:37:34.090
do that. I mean, most people in this business

00:37:34.090 --> 00:37:37.070
are all about making the best product they are

00:37:37.070 --> 00:37:40.469
totally invested in. It's an artistic thing to

00:37:40.469 --> 00:37:42.309
some degree. You know what I'm saying? There's

00:37:42.309 --> 00:37:44.030
not a lot of people that just want to pump out

00:37:44.030 --> 00:37:48.630
shit that's crap. Whoa, maybe not. I don't know.

00:37:48.630 --> 00:37:52.449
I mean, look, when you become these larger conglomerates,

00:37:52.469 --> 00:37:54.630
I think they lose sight of some of the quality.

00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:58.440
Fair enough. I mean, I wouldn't know. I would

00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.460
have thought that everybody that's in this business

00:38:00.460 --> 00:38:04.500
wants to do a good thing. There's a lot of NDPs

00:38:04.500 --> 00:38:06.300
that have developed over the years that their

00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:08.179
goal is just to make money. They don't care what

00:38:08.179 --> 00:38:10.480
the product is, how it's made. They don't care

00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:12.099
anything else. And they have celebrities endorsing

00:38:12.099 --> 00:38:15.920
it. Sometimes. And the stuff is shit. We've experienced

00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:18.599
that multiple times. That's my grind, my gears,

00:38:18.659 --> 00:38:21.860
as Sean mentioned earlier, these NDPs who use

00:38:21.860 --> 00:38:25.250
MGP and... They don't really call it out, and

00:38:25.250 --> 00:38:27.309
they're just throwing stuff against the wall

00:38:27.309 --> 00:38:29.829
to see who stays. Yeah, there's Aikman and whatever.

00:38:30.590 --> 00:38:33.670
Novacek. Is it Novacek? Yeah, Novacek, 84. Aikman

00:38:33.670 --> 00:38:37.929
had a beer. Everybody's got their own. Also,

00:38:38.690 --> 00:38:41.849
we have Hell House out there. Actually, we scored

00:38:41.849 --> 00:38:44.460
that pretty. Oh, no, we did not. That's innovative.

00:38:44.860 --> 00:38:48.760
No, it's terrible. Well, they do flash. I don't

00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:50.320
think I've heard this one. Okay, hold on. It's

00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:53.380
terrible. We had Tres Hombres two weeks ago.

00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.619
Yeah, ZZ Top. That's from ZZ Top. That's actually

00:38:55.619 --> 00:38:58.579
good. And it's also a product of Balcones. Yeah,

00:38:58.659 --> 00:39:00.940
I'm talking about Hell House. Oh, that's horrible.

00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:06.659
They do flash aging. They've somehow developed

00:39:06.659 --> 00:39:09.559
this technique to age it within two weeks or

00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:13.000
something like that. And it's absolutely disgusting.

00:39:13.099 --> 00:39:16.300
It's horrible. Horrible. Yeah, Hell House right

00:39:16.300 --> 00:39:18.820
there. And it's endorsed by Leonard Skinner.

00:39:19.019 --> 00:39:20.940
Oh, my God. That was a mistake. Oh, we tasted

00:39:20.940 --> 00:39:25.219
the Dallas Whiskey event. They left all of their

00:39:25.219 --> 00:39:28.059
bottles there. They did. Anytime you see Flash

00:39:28.059 --> 00:39:33.460
aged, I know. What do they say on this website

00:39:33.460 --> 00:39:36.139
about how they age it? Are they bragging about

00:39:36.139 --> 00:39:39.800
their? It's like a teabag style. Well, I don't

00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:43.039
know. It's always ended up with the best things.

00:39:43.099 --> 00:39:47.420
Hold on. Go back up. Oak -driven finish. What

00:39:47.420 --> 00:39:49.599
does that mean? They pressurize it. It's oak

00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:50.880
-driven. I don't know. They could. It's like

00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.460
a pressure cooker. It's like making a diamond.

00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:58.119
With whiskey, you have this process called esterification.

00:39:59.019 --> 00:40:02.480
It exists in a lot of different industries. When

00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:04.619
we're talking about some of the stuff in the

00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:07.019
tails, it takes time to break down, to really

00:40:07.019 --> 00:40:10.750
form into the really good -tasting stuff. I'll

00:40:10.750 --> 00:40:12.849
tell you right now, if someone discovered a way

00:40:12.849 --> 00:40:16.730
to really fast forward esterification. That's

00:40:16.730 --> 00:40:19.510
great. There's so many applications beyond whiskey

00:40:19.510 --> 00:40:22.530
for like medical and everything else. You would

00:40:22.530 --> 00:40:25.150
make billions of dollars if you figured out actually

00:40:25.150 --> 00:40:27.469
how to speed that process up. Sean, write that

00:40:27.469 --> 00:40:30.789
down. I'm already on it. So when someone says

00:40:30.789 --> 00:40:33.030
that they developed a way to flash age whiskey

00:40:33.030 --> 00:40:35.590
and in two weeks they can make a whiskey taste

00:40:35.590 --> 00:40:38.139
like it's 10 or 20 years. They would be doing

00:40:38.139 --> 00:40:41.179
something else. I'm also very skeptical because

00:40:41.179 --> 00:40:43.980
this is the worst application for making money

00:40:43.980 --> 00:40:45.679
doing that process. I've heard if you've taken

00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:48.320
whiskey and you keister it into a cow, it ferments

00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:53.400
faster. It could be. Yes, the methane is. But

00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:55.300
we have that out there. If you want to partake,

00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:58.559
we do have that. Which part? Oh, the hell house?

00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:00.619
Well, maybe we should bring it out here and just

00:41:00.619 --> 00:41:03.579
see how it stacks up. Now, that being said, if

00:41:03.579 --> 00:41:05.809
someone does figure out a way. I am all aboard.

00:41:05.869 --> 00:41:07.690
I would think it would be amazing if you found

00:41:07.690 --> 00:41:10.690
it. There have been some processes, I will say,

00:41:10.710 --> 00:41:13.429
that I've seen and tasted that are better than

00:41:13.429 --> 00:41:16.489
others, that have been better replications of

00:41:16.489 --> 00:41:19.550
it. There's been some interesting centrifuge

00:41:19.550 --> 00:41:22.630
pressure things I've seen that have done better

00:41:22.630 --> 00:41:25.690
jobs of doing it. Would atmospheric pressure

00:41:25.690 --> 00:41:30.849
increase? Extraction rates, it's very easy to

00:41:30.849 --> 00:41:32.530
increase extraction. We know how to do that.

00:41:32.869 --> 00:41:34.809
You increase pressure, you increase heat, reduce

00:41:34.809 --> 00:41:37.489
heat, increase heat, reduce heat. It's going

00:41:37.489 --> 00:41:39.610
to force things in and out of the oak. The problem

00:41:39.610 --> 00:41:41.710
is that there's certain elements of the oak that

00:41:41.710 --> 00:41:44.610
it takes time for those things to properly break

00:41:44.610 --> 00:41:47.389
down and soften. Otherwise, you're just pulling

00:41:47.389 --> 00:41:52.349
raw oak into the whiskey, which we can go in

00:41:52.349 --> 00:41:53.889
the warehouse and I can taste you on some six

00:41:53.889 --> 00:41:56.699
-month -old whiskey where you get... raw oak

00:41:56.699 --> 00:41:58.920
character. I see. It's like a bread rising. You

00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:03.019
can't force that. Yeah. We haven't figured out,

00:42:03.059 --> 00:42:05.139
is there a way theoretically probably to do it?

00:42:05.900 --> 00:42:07.940
Probably. And as soon as someone figures it out,

00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:11.320
it'd be super cool. And it'd be fascinating to

00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:14.099
me and I'll tingle all my nerd things. You need

00:42:14.099 --> 00:42:17.860
to introduce enriched uranium, I think is what.

00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:20.400
Yeah, that's true. Or ruin the business. There's

00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:23.969
no... There's no way I've seen that's really

00:42:23.969 --> 00:42:26.929
a true 100 % replication of it. Even when people

00:42:26.929 --> 00:42:29.949
say we took it and we put it in a mass spec and

00:42:29.949 --> 00:42:32.429
we compared, the reality is a mass spec will

00:42:32.429 --> 00:42:35.969
show you what's in the product, but how it presents

00:42:35.969 --> 00:42:39.130
on palate and how people taste is a very different

00:42:39.130 --> 00:42:42.670
thing than that. This artistry is 100 % about

00:42:42.670 --> 00:42:45.619
time. I think AI is going to figure it out. Oh.

00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.420
I don't think so. Because Paul's had great luck

00:42:48.420 --> 00:42:50.860
with AI. I do. I have tremendous luck. Let me

00:42:50.860 --> 00:42:53.980
get on chat GPT, and I'll tell you how you can

00:42:53.980 --> 00:42:57.780
get your product out, Robert, in an eighth of

00:42:57.780 --> 00:43:00.460
the time. Would you like me to look it up or

00:43:00.460 --> 00:43:02.239
no? We can call it eight fingers whiskey because

00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:04.300
there's eight fingers on the hand of the picture

00:43:04.300 --> 00:43:07.519
that you generated. Well, there's actually two

00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:11.219
arms with 30 fingers. My bad. My bad. So go back

00:43:11.219 --> 00:43:13.619
to the cellar reserve. I noticed this down at

00:43:13.619 --> 00:43:15.860
the bottom, this little image here. What significance

00:43:15.860 --> 00:43:19.280
is that? So that's the Trinity symbol. You have

00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:25.420
it used with Celtic heritage. Historically, it's

00:43:25.420 --> 00:43:27.059
meant a number of different things, but also

00:43:27.059 --> 00:43:29.639
like the Trinity and Christianity. And so for

00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.039
us, what this is, is actually there's three different

00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:34.619
finishes for this whiskey. And it's how those

00:43:34.619 --> 00:43:37.880
finishes interact that makes them really enjoyable.

00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:40.460
There's some that are good by themselves, but...

00:43:40.750 --> 00:43:42.389
When the three actually come together, they're

00:43:42.389 --> 00:43:44.250
significantly better than when they're just by

00:43:44.250 --> 00:43:46.630
themselves. Gotcha. All right. So that's what

00:43:46.630 --> 00:43:49.650
that represents. Well, good. Another outstanding

00:43:49.650 --> 00:43:53.989
whiskey, in my opinion. It also has very small

00:43:53.989 --> 00:43:57.590
print. Would you like to try to read that? I'm

00:43:57.590 --> 00:44:02.710
out. My family notoriously has 2010 vision, so

00:44:02.710 --> 00:44:05.630
we don't have these issues that you normal folk

00:44:05.630 --> 00:44:07.829
have. Nice. You know what? You've got readers.

00:44:08.090 --> 00:44:11.300
Very nice. Very nice. I just recently started

00:44:11.300 --> 00:44:14.519
wearing glasses, and they come in handy. So did

00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:16.539
my brother. I give him such a hard time now that

00:44:16.539 --> 00:44:19.559
he's got ones that he hangs on the bottom of

00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.300
his nose. It's really great as a little brother.

00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:24.739
I can tell you, man, it must be awesome working

00:44:24.739 --> 00:44:27.900
with your brother. Having family members around,

00:44:28.179 --> 00:44:31.480
as long as it's copacetic. Most days. Some days,

00:44:31.579 --> 00:44:37.139
brotherly love gets in there a little bit. I'll

00:44:37.139 --> 00:44:39.280
be honest, I don't think my brother and I would

00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:41.659
have the relationship we do today if it wasn't

00:44:41.659 --> 00:44:43.500
for the distillery. And the same thing with my

00:44:43.500 --> 00:44:45.860
mom and my dad. One of the things that we talk

00:44:45.860 --> 00:44:47.860
about all the time, like when I was growing up,

00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:51.679
I saw my grandparents maybe a week or two a year.

00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.380
You'd see them at Christmas, you'd see them maybe

00:44:54.380 --> 00:44:56.699
Easter or maybe during the summer or something

00:44:56.699 --> 00:45:01.079
like that. My niece and nephew spend, they see

00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:03.480
my parents every week. They get that sort of

00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.840
relationship with them. That's awesome. Parents

00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:08.699
only saw their parents every, you know, two weeks

00:45:08.699 --> 00:45:11.340
a year. And I get to see mine every day. And

00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:15.579
it's a huge blessing. It's a huge something.

00:45:15.980 --> 00:45:18.039
I don't think I would have any other way. And

00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:20.639
it's something that's really cool to have that

00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.780
sort of family relationship. Now, I would say,

00:45:23.940 --> 00:45:26.019
would you, when I was in high school, would you

00:45:26.019 --> 00:45:27.940
have asked me, you think I could spend every

00:45:27.940 --> 00:45:29.820
day with my parents and my brother? I told you,

00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:33.039
absolutely not. You find ways to love, and you

00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:34.500
find ways to work with each other. Well, and

00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:37.579
you grow, and you mature, and your frontal lobe

00:45:37.579 --> 00:45:39.840
develops. I guess. And you start to think that

00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.219
family's important. And as long as you keep your

00:45:42.219 --> 00:45:45.239
dad off of the forklifts. That's true. Unless

00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.420
the glass gets broken, and you're good to go.

00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:50.940
Your mom's a great person, too. Oh, she's great.

00:45:52.260 --> 00:45:55.199
She's a significant part of the whole tour experience.

00:45:55.539 --> 00:45:58.260
Oh, my gosh. The place wouldn't run without her.

00:45:58.300 --> 00:46:02.820
That is 100 % the truth. She's awesome. She just

00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:06.159
spent the last two weeks in Japan for her first

00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:09.659
vacation in 10 years. She was her sister. So

00:46:09.659 --> 00:46:12.340
she left my dad and my brother and myself at

00:46:12.340 --> 00:46:14.980
the distillery. And God help us, we didn't burn

00:46:14.980 --> 00:46:17.960
it down, but hey, I'm glad she's back. Did she

00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:20.880
drop off any local samples to some of the Japanese

00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:24.260
distilleries out there? Maybe a little bit. She

00:46:24.260 --> 00:46:27.840
brought some bottles back, too. There was an

00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:31.409
exchange, huh? It's cultural exchange. Honestly,

00:46:31.750 --> 00:46:35.929
sincerely, I'm asking, did she go out there and

00:46:35.929 --> 00:46:37.829
talk to some of those folks to see if we can't

00:46:37.829 --> 00:46:42.789
finagle a relationship somehow? She didn't want

00:46:42.789 --> 00:46:44.750
to. She was out there on this trip. She did buy

00:46:44.750 --> 00:46:48.010
quite a bit of whiskey to bring back. And that

00:46:48.010 --> 00:46:50.949
was more to do with the trip that her and her

00:46:50.949 --> 00:46:54.960
sister went on. It wasn't... It wasn't a distillery

00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:57.539
trip, if that makes sense. So if it's like my

00:46:57.539 --> 00:47:00.400
brother, myself, and my mom, if we go to a place

00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:03.539
together and it's not other people, then that's

00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:05.860
exactly what we do. We go in, again, like we

00:47:05.860 --> 00:47:07.300
did with the folks in France or Mexico. Yeah,

00:47:07.300 --> 00:47:11.079
but that's also work. I mean, it's a vacation,

00:47:11.300 --> 00:47:13.579
yes, but that's work. She's not working. Yeah,

00:47:13.579 --> 00:47:15.780
so she went on a cruise. That's what I'm saying.

00:47:15.860 --> 00:47:19.139
So it was very much not that focus on that trip.

00:47:19.619 --> 00:47:24.210
Does she get the drink package? She brings it

00:47:24.210 --> 00:47:25.510
with her. I don't know what you're talking about.

00:47:27.309 --> 00:47:30.510
Smuggles it in? Wow. You know it. So let's talk

00:47:30.510 --> 00:47:32.550
about you and your brother. You have very different

00:47:32.550 --> 00:47:35.989
aspects. You both do different parts of the business.

00:47:36.190 --> 00:47:39.550
Yes. He's the mad scientist in the lab doing

00:47:39.550 --> 00:47:43.869
a lot of the tinkering with everything we talked

00:47:43.869 --> 00:47:47.650
about in the first half. You are the face. of

00:47:47.650 --> 00:47:50.150
of the of the company are you also quality and

00:47:50.150 --> 00:47:52.469
control well i'm the better looking brother so

00:47:52.469 --> 00:47:54.110
that's where we had to establish that from the

00:47:54.110 --> 00:47:56.909
beginning that helps but no you seriously you're

00:47:56.909 --> 00:48:00.250
talking to the operational side of it the distributors

00:48:00.250 --> 00:48:04.289
and so talk to the different aspects of what

00:48:04.289 --> 00:48:06.670
you guys do my brother is he first of all my

00:48:06.670 --> 00:48:09.309
brother's an engineer he he's very technical

00:48:09.309 --> 00:48:13.050
minded he's very thorough he's he's ocd as well

00:48:13.050 --> 00:48:16.530
so the way that he documents i'm way more add

00:48:16.530 --> 00:48:20.949
i'm way more like so uh when it comes to the

00:48:20.949 --> 00:48:24.369
production and the processes and everything like

00:48:24.369 --> 00:48:27.289
that he's way better at documenting and maintaining

00:48:27.289 --> 00:48:30.929
again just the way things go and then you know

00:48:30.929 --> 00:48:32.769
from when it comes to like hey how are we going

00:48:32.769 --> 00:48:35.130
to do the steam how much cooling do we need how

00:48:35.130 --> 00:48:36.829
do we want to run the chilling rooms like he's

00:48:36.829 --> 00:48:39.190
the person unbelievable that comes in and understands

00:48:39.190 --> 00:48:42.440
and and runs that and he also has A really great

00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.940
guy that works with him. That's Jeff, who's kind

00:48:45.940 --> 00:48:49.400
of head of maintenance for us, but also he does

00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:50.940
a lot on the production side as well. No, it's

00:48:50.940 --> 00:48:55.440
not Jeff. It's not you. But Jeff's another engineer.

00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:58.659
So Jeff and Jeff actually rebuilt our entire

00:48:58.659 --> 00:49:01.940
bottling line that used to fill the old bottles,

00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:04.539
but rebuilt it and reconfigured it. So now it

00:49:04.539 --> 00:49:06.820
fills the new bottles, new corks, like rebuilt

00:49:06.820 --> 00:49:10.340
the whole thing so that it now the cork feeder.

00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:12.639
Doesn't do the smaller quirks. It does the bigger

00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:14.559
quirks and having to rebuild and reconstruct.

00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.679
That's not insignificant. And reprogram the machine,

00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:21.460
which was a, you know, Chinese Italian combination

00:49:21.460 --> 00:49:23.860
of equipment that he was able to reprogram. No

00:49:23.860 --> 00:49:28.019
shit. So when it comes to like that type of mindset,

00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.119
that's, that's just not me. That's not what my

00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.760
strength is. I'm, I'm much more of a bullshitter.

00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:34.480
I like going out, hanging out with people and

00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:38.139
doing things. And, uh, so that's, that's more

00:49:38.139 --> 00:49:41.000
of the, while I do, help out with the production

00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:43.099
side and obviously like i have a pretty good

00:49:43.099 --> 00:49:44.940
understanding because initially it was just me

00:49:44.940 --> 00:49:48.360
and my brother doing stuff so um i handle a lot

00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:50.760
more the more i would say the face forward stuff

00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:53.260
uh a lot more of the time how about your spouses

00:49:53.260 --> 00:49:56.579
do they participate in some of the aspects of

00:49:56.579 --> 00:49:59.139
the business uh so my my sister -in -law she

00:49:59.139 --> 00:50:01.519
does not she's a teacher up in up in denison

00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:06.199
um and potsboro so she she she doesn't do as

00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:09.469
much with the business directly other than supporting

00:50:09.469 --> 00:50:12.090
my brother, which is, you know, that's a full

00:50:12.090 --> 00:50:14.409
-time job on its own. Right. It's a little brother

00:50:14.409 --> 00:50:16.670
saying that. Being a teacher is probably a harder

00:50:16.670 --> 00:50:19.170
job anyway, to be honest. That's the truth on

00:50:19.170 --> 00:50:21.090
that. My wife's a teacher, and we have multiple

00:50:21.090 --> 00:50:23.309
teachers. Jeff's wife's a teacher, so we know.

00:50:24.809 --> 00:50:27.309
My wife, she does actually support, she does

00:50:27.309 --> 00:50:31.269
a lot of our social media. Nice. Because my wife

00:50:31.269 --> 00:50:34.730
had a... back in 2018 had a catastrophic injury

00:50:34.730 --> 00:50:37.349
and spent many months in the hospital and part

00:50:37.349 --> 00:50:39.030
of that time in the hospital she was you know

00:50:39.030 --> 00:50:41.369
just scrolling through social media and her comment

00:50:41.369 --> 00:50:43.570
to me was like your social media is god -awful

00:50:43.570 --> 00:50:47.250
um let me do it let me just like just give it

00:50:47.250 --> 00:50:50.329
to me so handed it over to her and so she does

00:50:50.329 --> 00:50:52.349
that uh i mean she has a full -time job that

00:50:52.349 --> 00:50:54.469
she does as well but she she'll do all of our

00:50:54.469 --> 00:50:56.900
social media Her favorite thing in the world

00:50:56.900 --> 00:50:59.239
is to reply to people's comments with different

00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:03.539
GIFs and memes and all sorts of stuff. If someone's

00:51:03.539 --> 00:51:06.739
responding to you and there's a goofy photo GIF

00:51:06.739 --> 00:51:08.059
that's being responded to, that's my wife doing

00:51:08.059 --> 00:51:12.840
it. That's it. Okay, good to know. She's much

00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:17.559
funnier than I am. I'll say that. The most recent

00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:21.099
video that we put out there, she's the one who...

00:51:22.420 --> 00:51:25.500
It helped come up with the concept and did all

00:51:25.500 --> 00:51:30.400
the music and fun stuff to it. Very nice. That's

00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:35.199
super cool. Look at you. I'm super cool. You

00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:37.159
act like you know what you're talking about on

00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:40.599
that video right there. I did not on this one.

00:51:42.699 --> 00:51:45.760
See if we can't pull up the YouTuber that you

00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:49.460
were on. The Bruisel? How do you spell that name?

00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:52.320
That's on YouTube, yeah. Did you already find

00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.400
that, Chuck? No, I don't even know how to spell

00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.179
it. It's B -R -E -W -Z -L -E, I think. Yeah.

00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:02.639
Yeah, there you go. Top one. Yeah, and then you

00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:05.179
can do Iron Root with that, and it'll show up.

00:52:05.659 --> 00:52:10.300
I've watched a few of his things, and he's a

00:52:10.300 --> 00:52:13.480
character. Is he a big guy? Yeah, when he's talking

00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:15.880
about thumbnails, you can see the thumbnail in

00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:17.420
this video is pretty ridiculous. Yeah, that's

00:52:17.420 --> 00:52:19.699
exactly it. You're like, what is this thing about?

00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:22.179
That's where I'm trying to do it. When we made

00:52:22.179 --> 00:52:24.820
whiskey using beaver nuggets from Buc -ee's and

00:52:24.820 --> 00:52:30.119
Doritos. Interesting. That's not Iron Root right

00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:32.059
there, no? Yeah, sure it is. Oh, yeah, it is.

00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:33.900
Okay. Let's see if we can give it a little bit

00:52:33.900 --> 00:52:39.559
of audio there. Yeah, you can see. right now

00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:44.000
i am in denison texas and iron root republic

00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:46.699
and we are going to do a little bit of a tour

00:52:46.699 --> 00:52:49.260
learn a little bit about how they make whiskey

00:52:49.260 --> 00:52:51.400
we're going to get into some of the weird things

00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:54.059
that they've produced over the last 12 years

00:52:54.059 --> 00:52:56.500
what's interesting about iron root is they actually

00:52:56.500 --> 00:53:00.110
have the still that we have we bought wheat state

00:53:00.110 --> 00:53:03.389
distilling out of kansas and they have an identical

00:53:03.389 --> 00:53:05.949
still here i think we're probably going to end

00:53:05.949 --> 00:53:09.070
this video on some really really weird whiskeys

00:53:09.070 --> 00:53:11.949
hi i'm jonathan and he was right yeah he was

00:53:11.949 --> 00:53:16.010
right i think uh i don't know what he did i don't

00:53:16.010 --> 00:53:17.530
know if this is what he does full time anymore

00:53:17.530 --> 00:53:20.469
but uh i don't know what he did previously but

00:53:20.469 --> 00:53:22.860
i know he goes around just buying up like barrels

00:53:22.860 --> 00:53:26.480
and barrels of whiskey. No kidding. He said 846

00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:29.940
,000 subscribers. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's something

00:53:29.940 --> 00:53:31.860
to be said about that. Doing pretty well. He's

00:53:31.860 --> 00:53:33.780
got the gift of the gab. He's got a good voice,

00:53:33.780 --> 00:53:36.860
and he puts out a good product. I mean, I've

00:53:36.860 --> 00:53:40.059
seen a lot of his videos. Yeah. Seems like a

00:53:40.059 --> 00:53:44.039
funny guy. Yeah. Where is he based out of? He

00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:47.360
is Mississippi. Yeah, he's Georgia, Mississippi,

00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:51.900
somewhere down in that way. Very nice. Yeah,

00:53:51.900 --> 00:53:53.519
well, maybe he can come on our podcast. There

00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:56.119
we go. Next time. Next time I'll tell him. Yeah,

00:53:56.139 --> 00:53:57.940
he should. He comes through this way. I know

00:53:57.940 --> 00:54:00.800
he does videos here. I've seen that. We would

00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:04.219
appreciate the camaraderie and the discussion.

00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.099
Yeah, I'd appreciate the exposure. Let's be real.

00:54:07.179 --> 00:54:10.860
God bless. Yeah, that too. Let's do it. No, seriously,

00:54:10.980 --> 00:54:15.000
we could use it. Yeah. Well, tip for tat, you

00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:16.800
know what? That's a cellar reserve that we're

00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:19.559
sampling. And I went ahead and jumped onto the

00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:22.679
second bottle here, the Saints Alley Portconey.

00:54:22.780 --> 00:54:24.860
I got to be honest, it's weird seeing the bottle

00:54:24.860 --> 00:54:28.659
with Saints Alley now because it's not what I

00:54:28.659 --> 00:54:30.619
normally see with the Saints Alley. It's a completely

00:54:30.619 --> 00:54:34.659
different logo. You know, I'm digging it. What's

00:54:34.659 --> 00:54:37.340
going on, Paul? Well, I mean... You're panicking.

00:54:37.420 --> 00:54:39.480
I'm panicking. We went to a third bottle and

00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:40.539
I'm trying to... And you weren't even notified,

00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:42.599
right? No. No one tells me shit around here.

00:54:42.619 --> 00:54:47.260
Well, geez. Damn. Well, I have to say all three

00:54:47.260 --> 00:54:50.840
of these are grand slams in my opinion. Thank

00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.019
you. And you look, we're not kissing your ass.

00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:56.840
Look, we've had tons of garbage because we're

00:54:56.840 --> 00:54:59.780
obviously... We have a lot. We've also had a

00:54:59.780 --> 00:55:02.480
lot of good shit too. Yes. So we know good stuff.

00:55:03.139 --> 00:55:05.139
Paul picks some really bad ones in the beginning.

00:55:06.460 --> 00:55:08.519
Old Williamsburg is a lot better than you guys.

00:55:09.219 --> 00:55:12.099
I think they stopped making that, by the way.

00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:14.559
No, they didn't. I heard an article that they

00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:15.539
were going out of business. He's just like, I

00:55:15.539 --> 00:55:18.000
still buy it. They're wrong. So when we were

00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:20.019
first starting, you know, six, seven years ago.

00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:23.880
There's no fault because it was all luck at the

00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:25.579
time. We were just buying shit, but it just turned

00:55:25.579 --> 00:55:28.300
out that Paul kept buying stuff that just wasn't

00:55:28.300 --> 00:55:32.059
good. Totally not true. Their shit sucked too.

00:55:32.780 --> 00:55:36.239
Just not as bad. It was all terrible. It was

00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:39.739
a lot of fun. It was growth is what it was. To

00:55:39.739 --> 00:55:41.059
be honest, that's one of the best ways to build

00:55:41.059 --> 00:55:42.820
your palates is by tasting things you're like,

00:55:42.900 --> 00:55:46.260
oh, I hate that. Let me figure out why I don't

00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:49.480
like that. We started out at the $30 bottle of

00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:54.090
everything. And then we got to $40, $50, $60,

00:55:54.150 --> 00:55:56.769
$70, $80, and then started splitting, right?

00:55:56.889 --> 00:56:01.510
We went to $100 bottles and $140 bottles. We

00:56:01.510 --> 00:56:03.949
have different palettes, though, now. And so,

00:56:04.030 --> 00:56:06.650
I mean, there are stuff that Jeff will like and

00:56:06.650 --> 00:56:09.050
that we won't really get into. And Jeff doesn't

00:56:09.050 --> 00:56:11.050
really like a lot of the smoky stuff, and I enjoy

00:56:11.050 --> 00:56:13.289
the smoky stuff. So we're starting to get our

00:56:13.289 --> 00:56:15.269
own little niche, and we can kind of anticipate

00:56:15.269 --> 00:56:18.329
certain things. And I think it's a lot of fun.

00:56:18.739 --> 00:56:20.760
It's fun. In fact, we'll bring something. We'll

00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:22.440
introduce it. We'll kind of like, I want to see

00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:24.400
their reaction. And secretly, I'll know it's

00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:26.840
smoky. And I'll want Jeff to taste it just so

00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:29.260
I can get a look at his face. Right. Okay, so

00:56:29.260 --> 00:56:32.639
what's new about this St. Sally? The new bottle

00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:34.900
we're talking about here. Other than the bottle

00:56:34.900 --> 00:56:37.840
is new. So one of the big things was a lot of

00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:40.400
people didn't realize that we made St. Sally.

00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.480
And so that was one of the things we wanted to

00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:45.710
like. Hey, we know we are proud of this. This

00:56:45.710 --> 00:56:47.750
isn't just like a side brand that we're not proud

00:56:47.750 --> 00:56:51.230
of. Right. And, you know, it's one of those things

00:56:51.230 --> 00:56:52.849
that a lot of the feedback we kept getting from

00:56:52.849 --> 00:56:54.969
people was like, this whiskey is really good,

00:56:54.989 --> 00:56:58.130
but your packaging's terrible. And I don't think

00:56:58.130 --> 00:57:00.389
it was terrible. I don't think it was bad. No.

00:57:00.409 --> 00:57:03.550
But it's not Iron Root. How is it terrible? Like,

00:57:03.570 --> 00:57:06.130
what did they say specifically? What was wrong

00:57:06.130 --> 00:57:09.489
with it? It was really kind of plain, I guess,

00:57:09.550 --> 00:57:11.269
the best way to describe it. And old Englishly?

00:57:11.590 --> 00:57:15.239
Yeah, that it just wasn't. It's like a St. Abby.

00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:17.980
It didn't feel premium. I guess that's what all

00:57:17.980 --> 00:57:19.820
the commentary we got from a lot of people, which

00:57:19.820 --> 00:57:22.460
is fun. I mean, if that's the way you feel about

00:57:22.460 --> 00:57:24.940
it, it is what you feel. Hey, perception is huge,

00:57:25.059 --> 00:57:29.420
dude. Huge. So for us, we were like, okay, if

00:57:29.420 --> 00:57:32.380
we want to bring St. Sally and Iron Root back

00:57:32.380 --> 00:57:35.960
together and make it one cohesive thing rather

00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:37.280
than two separate things, because that's really

00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:38.880
what it was, two separate things we were doing.

00:57:39.059 --> 00:57:40.960
Yeah. And so we're like, all right, let's...

00:57:41.460 --> 00:57:43.420
let's find a way to bring it back in that makes

00:57:43.420 --> 00:57:46.260
sense and that really, so people know where this

00:57:46.260 --> 00:57:49.159
product comes from. Under the same emblem. And

00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:51.699
bottle. Same type of bottle. We had to have two

00:57:51.699 --> 00:57:53.599
websites, two different names, and that's just

00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:56.980
tough to deal with. Why did it start that way?

00:57:57.239 --> 00:58:01.260
It started that way because of, so St. Sally,

00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:02.699
it's actually a collaboration. Your pessimism

00:58:02.699 --> 00:58:05.019
attitude? Yeah. You weren't sure one was going

00:58:05.019 --> 00:58:09.320
to fail? Initially, when it came to Iron Root,

00:58:09.340 --> 00:58:11.059
there was nothing we did under the Iron Root

00:58:11.059 --> 00:58:13.139
brand originally that had any sort of source

00:58:13.139 --> 00:58:16.719
liquid whatsoever. When we first were releasing

00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:19.300
in 2020, we were really concerned that if we

00:58:19.300 --> 00:58:21.739
did do something on the Iron Root brand, then

00:58:21.739 --> 00:58:23.519
people would be really... We got the Nobleman

00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:26.420
ride. That was so good. That people would be

00:58:26.420 --> 00:58:30.380
aghast that we did anything with sourcing. So

00:58:30.380 --> 00:58:33.400
we started at... because it had sourcing. It

00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:36.239
all has our liquid in it, but there was sourcing

00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:39.380
with it. And so then, you know, as I think...

00:58:39.380 --> 00:58:42.900
Was it the distillate? What would you source?

00:58:43.300 --> 00:58:45.980
Oh, the liquid. Yeah, so some of the... The aged

00:58:45.980 --> 00:58:48.699
stuff. Yeah, the St. Sally actually has some

00:58:48.699 --> 00:58:52.800
MGP, has some Kentucky bourbon in it. And so

00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:55.860
then it's blended with our whiskey. So it was...

00:58:56.139 --> 00:58:59.199
And again, it was initially in 2020 when we came

00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:01.239
out with it, the reason why we wanted to explore

00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:03.480
a lot of cask finishing, because we had just

00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:05.539
spent a lot of time in France, especially with

00:59:05.539 --> 00:59:08.219
Chris, who's our kind of partner, and he's one

00:59:08.219 --> 00:59:11.420
of the blenders on the St. Sally's side. We'd

00:59:11.420 --> 00:59:12.760
just spent a lot of time in France, and we wanted

00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:14.800
to explore some of these cool, really fun casks

00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:16.940
that we'd kind of come across and had made friends

00:59:16.940 --> 00:59:18.900
with the people who were making the Cognacs and

00:59:18.900 --> 00:59:21.360
the Armagnacs and stuff. And we wanted to explore

00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:23.650
that. we just didn't have the liquid to do it

00:59:23.650 --> 00:59:26.170
because Harbinger and Promethean had blown up

00:59:26.170 --> 00:59:28.449
so much. Like I just didn't have any spare liquid.

00:59:29.489 --> 00:59:33.269
Um, and so for us, we were like, okay, well,

00:59:33.269 --> 00:59:35.289
all right, we don't have any spare liquid. Well,

00:59:35.329 --> 00:59:37.250
what can we do about that? And so that's when

00:59:37.250 --> 00:59:38.889
like, we started talking with Chris of like,

00:59:39.030 --> 00:59:41.909
Hey Chris, in your, your experience, cause he's

00:59:41.909 --> 00:59:43.969
the liquor hound on YouTube. He's been doing

00:59:43.969 --> 00:59:47.429
it for 20 years now. So collecting whiskey in

00:59:47.429 --> 00:59:51.420
like 94. Oh wow. So. He's got some really nutso

00:59:51.420 --> 00:59:54.000
stuff. He's got bottles of bourbon from 1914.

00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:57.739
Oh, wow. Crazy, crazy stuff in his collection.

00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:01.119
It's nuts. Sealed? No, he's open and drinking

01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:03.360
it. He'll pour you samples of it. That is awesome.

01:00:03.460 --> 01:00:04.920
Some of the weirdest shit I've ever had in my

01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:08.099
life. When you open up a bottle like that, I

01:00:08.099 --> 01:00:10.780
know with wine, they'll add argon or some gas

01:00:10.780 --> 01:00:12.539
like that. Is that appropriate to do with some

01:00:12.539 --> 01:00:14.820
of these whiskeys? He does. He does. I mean,

01:00:14.860 --> 01:00:18.239
the reality is liquor is far more stable than

01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:20.619
wine. like liquor for the most part, unless it's

01:00:20.619 --> 01:00:23.480
like just down to a little bit, it's going to

01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:25.500
stay fairly stable. Now, will it change a little

01:00:25.500 --> 01:00:27.539
bit as you off gas and as you do things? Yeah,

01:00:27.619 --> 01:00:31.420
it does change a little bit. And some older spirits

01:00:31.420 --> 01:00:33.420
can be a little bit more brittle in that, that

01:00:33.420 --> 01:00:36.679
aspect. So he, he will argon gases stuff. Um,

01:00:36.820 --> 01:00:38.340
especially stuff like that, that he knows that

01:00:38.340 --> 01:00:40.920
he's only going to go to every very rare once

01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:43.800
in a while. Did you try some of the 1914 stuff?

01:00:43.900 --> 01:00:45.920
Oh, yeah. He'll let you try it. So what was that

01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:48.280
like? Man. What was that like? Is it a standard

01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:50.039
whiskey, or was it just completely natural? It

01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:52.980
was bourbon. It was called Black Gold, and it

01:00:52.980 --> 01:00:56.960
tasted like sweet pine salt is the best way to

01:00:56.960 --> 01:01:00.059
describe it. Really? That's not good. It wasn't

01:01:00.059 --> 01:01:02.280
the best thing I've ever tasted in my life, but

01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:04.360
it was extraordinarily interesting, I'll tell

01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:06.280
you that. Oh, for sure. Well, a lot of the whiskeys

01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:08.159
back then, they made in a bathtub almost. And

01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:11.210
they're not, they weren't. Older whiskey. I think

01:01:11.210 --> 01:01:14.969
that's a really fun misnomer for me for a lot

01:01:14.969 --> 01:01:16.849
of people. A lot of people thought, oh, well,

01:01:16.869 --> 01:01:18.369
back in the day, they were making these really

01:01:18.369 --> 01:01:20.869
old whiskeys and bourbon. Bourbon, even when

01:01:20.869 --> 01:01:22.710
it came to Jimmy Russell back in the day, he

01:01:22.710 --> 01:01:25.050
would tell you that after it got over six -ish

01:01:25.050 --> 01:01:28.670
years old, it got too old. Right. And he didn't

01:01:28.670 --> 01:01:31.269
like bourbon over the age of six. So it was never

01:01:31.269 --> 01:01:33.789
aged that long. No. It just sat in a bottle for

01:01:33.789 --> 01:01:35.730
100 years. It wasn't intentionally. And when

01:01:35.730 --> 01:01:38.679
they ran into the big glut in the 80s, What happened

01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:41.340
was they started doing all those crazy decanters.

01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:43.739
And you'll notice that a lot of the decanters

01:01:43.739 --> 01:01:45.380
will actually have the age labeled in months.

01:01:45.420 --> 01:01:48.159
It'll be like 120 months or something like that

01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:50.960
on there. Okay. Because they were trying to obfuscate

01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:53.559
how old the whiskey is because the perception.

01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:56.139
That it wasn't that great. Yeah. The perception

01:01:56.139 --> 01:01:58.059
was if they had let it age that long, it was

01:01:58.059 --> 01:02:00.780
because it wasn't that good of a barrel. Oh,

01:02:00.780 --> 01:02:04.119
my God. And how different that perception is

01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:06.579
now. And then a lot of the times they blend it

01:02:06.579 --> 01:02:09.179
a little bit younger. with older bourbon so they

01:02:09.179 --> 01:02:11.500
could use the younger age statement. Those rookies.

01:02:11.619 --> 01:02:15.300
Because that was more desirable. Right. And that's

01:02:15.300 --> 01:02:16.960
one of the crazy things that just kind of blows

01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:20.719
my mind today that it's very much the opposite

01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:23.099
now. But when you start looking at all those

01:02:23.099 --> 01:02:25.519
dusty bourbon characteristics and stuff like

01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:28.059
that, there's a lot of reasons why those certain

01:02:28.059 --> 01:02:30.860
flavors appeared. And some of it was they were...

01:02:31.349 --> 01:02:34.769
They weren't aged very long. Some of them weren't

01:02:34.769 --> 01:02:37.329
aged very long. And then some of them had older

01:02:37.329 --> 01:02:39.309
whiskey that they blended this young whiskey

01:02:39.309 --> 01:02:42.289
into to try to bring it back down. Like I said,

01:02:42.329 --> 01:02:45.389
they just sat in a bottle for 150 years. It doesn't

01:02:45.389 --> 01:02:47.570
mean they're good. And it doesn't mean they're

01:02:47.570 --> 01:02:50.510
aged super long. So when did the Bottle and Bond

01:02:50.510 --> 01:02:53.650
Act come around? That's funny. Was that after

01:02:53.650 --> 01:02:57.889
1914? It's actually your first... That was the

01:02:57.889 --> 01:03:02.860
first... Food Safety Act. You can probably Google

01:03:02.860 --> 01:03:04.599
the exact date. The reason I'm asking is that

01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:07.679
1914, who knows what was really in that if the

01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:09.139
bottle and bond act. I don't think the bottle

01:03:09.139 --> 01:03:12.579
and bond existed. It was after Prohibition. 1897.

01:03:13.860 --> 01:03:18.900
It's way before Prohibition. It predates your

01:03:18.900 --> 01:03:23.179
food, like the Water Safety Act and stuff like

01:03:23.179 --> 01:03:26.360
that. Wow. Who knows what they were putting in

01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:27.900
their barrels? They were mixing all sorts of

01:03:27.900 --> 01:03:30.420
crap. And they were killing people. Yeah. Because

01:03:30.420 --> 01:03:32.920
they were putting tobacco juice and turpentine

01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:36.480
and all sorts of stuff in there. And so it was

01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:38.440
a really important act. That's how they sounded

01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:41.340
too. No, they didn't. But what's crazy is you

01:03:41.340 --> 01:03:43.800
also had things that are bottle and bond back

01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:45.699
then that wouldn't allow to be bottle and bond

01:03:45.699 --> 01:03:49.320
today. Right. We found records of Denison back

01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:52.760
in the day. They were making a bourbon cream.

01:03:53.489 --> 01:03:57.909
bottle and bond and denison a hundred proof bourbon

01:03:57.909 --> 01:04:03.969
cream wow oh right and it was nuts and i it's

01:04:03.969 --> 01:04:05.690
and again we have all the records of all that

01:04:05.690 --> 01:04:08.230
and i'm just like i want to redo that yeah that

01:04:08.230 --> 01:04:11.670
sounds awesome to me and most people like most

01:04:11.670 --> 01:04:14.710
bourbon creams are like 60 proof right how would

01:04:14.710 --> 01:04:18.269
you yeah how would you even do that just add

01:04:18.269 --> 01:04:20.989
in don't add as much water to it let it be higher

01:04:20.989 --> 01:04:23.820
proof you don't have to The cream you're adding

01:04:23.820 --> 01:04:25.719
to it, you're not dropping the proof. If the

01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:28.800
barrel is 120 proof, drop it down to 100. We've

01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:32.059
actually never talked about creams on this podcast.

01:04:32.420 --> 01:04:34.559
That's the first time, actually. Ever. Does the

01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:36.619
alcohol content do anything to the dairy product

01:04:36.619 --> 01:04:39.539
in there at that higher proof? It doesn't cause

01:04:39.539 --> 01:04:42.739
it to curdle. No? Some of you would think now

01:04:42.739 --> 01:04:44.539
the way that they treat the cream and stuff like

01:04:44.539 --> 01:04:46.460
that, it helps with preventing some of that.

01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:48.519
But no, at that higher proof, they were making

01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:52.000
a legit... One of the really cool products from

01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:55.380
Texas historically was a Bottle & Bond 100 proof

01:04:55.380 --> 01:04:58.380
bourbon cream. I wonder why no one has done that

01:04:58.380 --> 01:05:00.559
yet. Yeah, why did that not catch on? Because

01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:03.239
Bottle & Bond now, I don't know if you could

01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:05.659
label a bourbon cream as Bottle & Bond anymore.

01:05:05.780 --> 01:05:09.440
Well, even just a 100 proof cream product. Yeah,

01:05:09.519 --> 01:05:11.579
most of that stuff is like lower proof and it's

01:05:11.579 --> 01:05:13.900
like whoopee kind of like. I'm not going to have

01:05:13.900 --> 01:05:15.900
that. It's very deserty. I have to drink a gallon

01:05:15.900 --> 01:05:17.519
of that to get to us. Have you guys ever talked

01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:21.889
about an iron root cream? Yeah, and I'll tell

01:05:21.889 --> 01:05:23.929
you that it's one of the desires we have, and

01:05:23.929 --> 01:05:27.849
at some point it will come, and it will be 100

01:05:27.849 --> 01:05:29.570
proof, and I will tell you that that's exactly

01:05:29.570 --> 01:05:32.050
what we're going to do. That's awesome. How does

01:05:32.050 --> 01:05:34.530
that even work? Walk us really quick. I know

01:05:34.530 --> 01:05:36.289
we're running out of time, but walk us through

01:05:36.289 --> 01:05:40.489
making a bourbon cream. So you take like a...

01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:44.820
Historically, they would take fresh cream and

01:05:44.820 --> 01:05:48.719
use to make it. Now, today, there's companies

01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:51.500
that come in and they stabilize the cream because

01:05:51.500 --> 01:05:54.139
bourbon cream back in the day, you'd have to

01:05:54.139 --> 01:05:55.500
keep it in the refrigerator and it would only

01:05:55.500 --> 01:05:58.760
last for so long. For us, you would get a stable

01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:01.179
cream and it's trying to figure out what the

01:06:01.179 --> 01:06:04.179
right stable cream is that we want to use, has

01:06:04.179 --> 01:06:06.059
the right sweetness level, has all those things.

01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:08.460
And then you blend it with the bourbon that you

01:06:08.460 --> 01:06:10.360
want for the right flavor profile. How do you

01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:13.940
stabilize a cream? Make it a powder? I mean,

01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:16.280
through pasteurization, there's a number of processes

01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:19.300
you can do to stabilize cream. And these are

01:06:19.300 --> 01:06:22.840
not hydrogenated oils? No, no. It's basically

01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:27.400
cream with alcohol added to it to stabilize it

01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:30.599
to 20 % alcohol. Nice. So just like where you

01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:33.739
stabilize fortified wines, you can stabilize

01:06:33.739 --> 01:06:36.829
anything at that proof. It's like one of the

01:06:36.829 --> 01:06:38.989
finishes we use for the Cellular Reserve is called

01:06:38.989 --> 01:06:41.869
Pinot de Charent. And Pinot de Charent, well,

01:06:41.929 --> 01:06:45.329
Pinot is actually spelled P -I -N -E -A -U. Oh.

01:06:45.750 --> 01:06:49.230
Not P -I -N -O -T, you'd expect. Right. And so

01:06:49.230 --> 01:06:51.250
Pinot de Charent, what it actually is, they take

01:06:51.250 --> 01:06:54.630
fresh, fresh grape juice and cognac. They ferment

01:06:54.630 --> 01:06:57.510
it maybe to about 1%, so they barely ferment

01:06:57.510 --> 01:06:59.710
it. And then they take cognac and they add it

01:06:59.710 --> 01:07:01.869
to it and they fortify it to 20 % alcohol. So

01:07:01.869 --> 01:07:04.460
it's like... grape juice that's been fortified

01:07:04.460 --> 01:07:06.139
to 20 % alcohol, and then they barrel -aged that

01:07:06.139 --> 01:07:08.639
for years. I would love that. It's amazing, and

01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:10.619
they drink it before and after dinner. What is

01:07:10.619 --> 01:07:12.639
it called? It's called Pinot de Charente. Is

01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:15.059
it kind of like a port? Can I buy that? It's

01:07:15.059 --> 01:07:17.940
kind of wine? You can. I'd say the ones you're

01:07:17.940 --> 01:07:19.579
going to buy here in the United States are typically

01:07:19.579 --> 01:07:21.619
fairly young. They're like two or three years

01:07:21.619 --> 01:07:23.340
old, which there's still some pretty good ones,

01:07:23.420 --> 01:07:25.920
but when it starts getting crazy and really fun

01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:29.000
is when it starts getting 10, 12. 13 years old.

01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:30.539
So it's basically grape juice that is totally

01:07:30.539 --> 01:07:33.739
loaded with alcohol. Exactly. I would love that.

01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:37.280
It's batshit. It's amazing, and I absolutely

01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:39.400
love it. And they joke in cognac that they make

01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:41.019
terrible table wine, so they just drink Pinot

01:07:41.019 --> 01:07:44.019
instead, which is the Pinot de Charente. I got

01:07:44.019 --> 01:07:47.619
to tell you, I want to encourage you to keep

01:07:47.619 --> 01:07:51.900
up the exploring attitude that you and your brother

01:07:51.900 --> 01:07:54.880
have. And the cream. Make the cream. Keep going

01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:58.099
with this stuff. Keep reintroducing new products.

01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:02.519
We're going to support you guys 100%. 99 % of

01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:05.360
the products that you put out there, we are 100

01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:08.519
% on board. I say 99 % because no one can be

01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:12.360
100%. We got some weird stuff. We all love weird

01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:14.960
stuff. We're so thankful that you took the opportunity

01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:17.760
to come out here and visit with us. And we're

01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:19.659
huge supporters. We've always been huge supporters.

01:08:19.659 --> 01:08:21.180
It's only two and a half years in the making.

01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:25.979
It's true. That's all right. You jumped on it.

01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:28.659
Right on top of it. But you know what? This is

01:08:28.659 --> 01:08:30.560
the perfect timing because we probably needed

01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:32.260
that two and a half years to mature a little

01:08:32.260 --> 01:08:34.479
bit enough to be able to receive you like this.

01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:37.380
And we've done a lot of work in our podcast room

01:08:37.380 --> 01:08:39.100
to make it what it is and where we're at right

01:08:39.100 --> 01:08:41.300
now. And I think this is the perfect timing.

01:08:41.460 --> 01:08:44.250
I just want to say thank you. Yeah. Sincerely

01:08:44.250 --> 01:08:45.449
and genuinely for coming out here. I am totally

01:08:45.449 --> 01:08:48.189
jazzed by the conversations we've had. Seriously.

01:08:48.609 --> 01:08:50.930
This has been so insightful. It'll take me two

01:08:50.930 --> 01:08:53.649
years to edit this and put it out. Oh, for sure.

01:08:53.770 --> 01:08:55.930
For sure. I mean, everything Sean said. He's

01:08:55.930 --> 01:08:58.149
going to be a silent movie. Yeah. You just won't

01:08:58.149 --> 01:08:59.550
hear him on the podcast. I'm Charlie Chapman.

01:09:01.550 --> 01:09:03.869
I'll be animation. That's all I'll be. No, but

01:09:03.869 --> 01:09:06.109
we're looking forward to going back out to the

01:09:06.109 --> 01:09:09.529
distillery. It's weird because you can't go out

01:09:09.529 --> 01:09:11.159
there. Every time we go out there, it's the same

01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:14.479
song and dance. But we want to jump on some of

01:09:14.479 --> 01:09:16.399
the newer products you have going on. We want

01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:18.979
to chat about it. So I'm going to stay in touch

01:09:18.979 --> 01:09:21.800
with you and kind of poke you a little bit. And

01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:24.960
you don't check emails, do you? No, you got to

01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:27.100
text and call me. Anything coming up that you

01:09:27.100 --> 01:09:29.819
want to plug? I mean, obviously, the release

01:09:29.819 --> 01:09:32.739
of the new bottles, the cast strength assemblage

01:09:32.739 --> 01:09:35.739
coming here in a few months is going to be phenomenal.

01:09:35.979 --> 01:09:40.210
So get ready for that. Any events? Basically,

01:09:40.250 --> 01:09:41.890
our events are only just bottle releases, so

01:09:41.890 --> 01:09:44.689
come out and hang out and drink with us. We're

01:09:44.689 --> 01:09:48.090
going to be doing a collaboration with ICC here

01:09:48.090 --> 01:09:50.470
in Frisco. We're going to be doing - What is

01:09:50.470 --> 01:09:54.590
ICC? It's an industrial cigar company. Okay.

01:09:55.350 --> 01:09:58.310
That's just up by the soccer stadium. Okay. You're

01:09:58.310 --> 01:10:00.569
going to introduce your cigar blend? It's going

01:10:00.569 --> 01:10:03.250
to be - We're doing not our typical cigar blends.

01:10:03.369 --> 01:10:05.590
They're actually doing a custom version of Cilla

01:10:05.590 --> 01:10:08.310
Reserve. We teamed up with a cigar company. to

01:10:08.310 --> 01:10:11.189
do it um it's gonna be really fun not the not

01:10:11.189 --> 01:10:14.229
the herald 10 year cigar blend no that we will

01:10:14.229 --> 01:10:16.270
be doing that again later this year that one's

01:10:16.270 --> 01:10:19.149
a pretty epic release so you guys definitely

01:10:19.149 --> 01:10:20.890
need to come up whenever we release it because

01:10:20.890 --> 01:10:23.869
it's so good but seriously when you guys get

01:10:23.869 --> 01:10:26.529
a wild hair let me know we'll just do a barrel

01:10:26.529 --> 01:10:30.310
tasting come on up we'll dive in I'd love to

01:10:30.310 --> 01:10:32.029
taste the cup. Then we'll get a hotel room. There

01:10:32.029 --> 01:10:35.710
you go. Whatever we have to do. Is this a brothel?

01:10:35.729 --> 01:10:38.210
What's going on? Did I miss something? You never

01:10:38.210 --> 01:10:40.409
know how the night ends. You're talking about

01:10:40.409 --> 01:10:42.590
the second story balcony thing you were talking

01:10:42.590 --> 01:10:46.659
about? Exactly. I'm in. I'm in. Is that the –

01:10:46.659 --> 01:10:51.600
Sean's going to have his whole CPAP mask on.

01:10:51.699 --> 01:10:54.779
Yeah. I got a battery -powered CPAP machine.

01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:57.340
Meanwhile, Robert's writing in his notes, dudes

01:10:57.340 --> 01:11:01.420
like us, no. Never again. That's a not invite.

01:11:01.659 --> 01:11:04.460
That's a no invite. That's a no go. We enjoyed

01:11:04.460 --> 01:11:06.500
you coming on here. Thank you very much for taking

01:11:06.500 --> 01:11:09.060
the time to come on here. Very much so. All right,

01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:11.739
well, look, guys, it's the second half conclusion

01:11:11.739 --> 01:11:14.739
of our March 19th Thursday night Suits Like Us

01:11:14.739 --> 01:11:17.560
podcast. Happy spring break. It is. Oh, my gosh.

01:11:17.659 --> 01:11:20.399
Spring is tomorrow. God bless, man. I am enjoying

01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:23.180
the weather. It's up and down, up and down, up

01:11:23.180 --> 01:11:26.239
and down. God bless. What did you say? What's

01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:28.500
tomorrow? Spring. The official first day of spring

01:11:28.500 --> 01:11:30.460
is tomorrow. The reason I know that is my sister's

01:11:30.460 --> 01:11:32.399
birthday is March 20th, and it's always the first

01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:35.800
day of spring. March Madness. Hey, we need some

01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:39.479
updates. Texas won. Texas A &M won. Take a ticker.

01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:42.659
We're good to go. Good to go. Okay. Texas team.

01:11:42.699 --> 01:11:44.300
Moving on. They're doing well. What about Texas

01:11:44.300 --> 01:11:47.520
Tech? Do they play today? They suck. Nobody cares.

01:11:48.739 --> 01:11:50.979
Some people do. God bless. Don't tell my brother

01:11:50.979 --> 01:11:54.060
that. Hey, we're all in on Texas team. My son

01:11:54.060 --> 01:11:56.680
graduated from Lubbock as well. And TCU won.

01:11:57.140 --> 01:11:59.979
We're on board with that. Texas teams. Here we

01:11:59.979 --> 01:12:02.399
go. They did beat Ohio State. I'm a little upset

01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:04.300
about that. They play tomorrow. They play tomorrow

01:12:04.300 --> 01:12:06.340
at 11. Is that what's going on? Tech. Okay. All

01:12:06.340 --> 01:12:08.359
right. All right. Well, thanks, guys, for listening

01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:10.939
tonight. Dudes Like Us. Check us out on everything.

01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:13.960
Facebook, Instagram, et cetera, et cetera. All

01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:16.600
right. We're Republic. Mr. Robert, you're the

01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:18.760
man. Good stuff. Thank you, Chuck, again, for

01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:20.340
staying on top of shit. Dudes Like Us. I'm Sean.

01:12:20.460 --> 01:12:22.520
I'm Paul. I'm Jeff. And I'm Robert.