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All right. She doesn't need prep. She's a professional.

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She's a professional. She literally ran from

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one function. I'll be there in five minutes.

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We got her a beverage. Yes. She's a machine.

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Yes. We're very excited. And we are talking about

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our special, special guest. We do. It is. So

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what is today's thing? It's December 14th. It's

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a Tuesday of December 14th. It's the second week

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into December 16th. I can't see that little camera's

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in the way. You need glasses. I do. I do need

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glasses. It's the old person's podcast. Nugget.

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All right. We have a special guest. Chuck is

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at the helm over there. He's our producer. Dudes

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Like Us. I'm Sean. I'm Paul. And I'm Jeff. And

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I'm Ann. There you go. And welcome to the podcast.

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Not a dude. You're a dude, Ed. You're a dude,

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Ed. You're qualified. You're an honorary dude

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tonight. All right. All right, so we have a special

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guest here. She's running for city council, and

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we want to say hello and welcome. And we're going

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to kind of give you the floor and tell you, you

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know, why are you running and, you know, what's

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going on with that program. Yeah, who are you?

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Yeah. All that good stuff. I'm sure you've answered

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a lot of this stuff. Maybe you start with your

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full name. My full name. There you go. Here we

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go. Anne Renee Anderson. How's that? There you

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go. Now you know what I get called out when I

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get in trouble. Oh, there we go. Nobody calls

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me that anymore. I've been in Frisco for 20 years.

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A military child. So I grew up kind of all over.

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Frisco is the place I've lived the longest in

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my life. But I lived a lot of my life in West

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Texas and San Angelo, Texas. So anybody know

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where that is? Yes. Okay. Congratulations. The

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dusty area of the state. It's very brown. Kind

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of like landmine. Yes. Very landmine -y. It's

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very landmine -y. Yes. Okay. Perfect. It's very

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brown there. But yeah. So I love Frisco. It's

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a great place to live. I've raised my children

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here. My husband teaches at Frisco High School.

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We're very invested in our city. And I just felt

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like after I've watched some of the goings on

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in our city, it was time to have maybe somebody

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who had different ideas, who talks to people

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like yourselves and other maybe educators and

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volunteers and people in the city who have different

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questions than what I keep hearing over and over.

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And I thought it was time to get off the sidelines

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and get in the game. So this is the first time

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you ran for public office. Yes. Excellent. It's

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exciting. You're brave. Yes. You could call it

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that. And what are you running for? Frisco City

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Council place one. Place one. Which place one

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covers which area? We are not geographical. We're

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at large is what you would call it. Oh, so you

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don't cover the east side or whatever. No. So

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when we vote, we vote. For all of them. It doesn't

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matter. We don't have a city council member.

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They're all for us. We don't have districts in

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Frisco. So for those dudes like us out there,

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listeners, what is seat one versus seat two,

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etc.? It's just a number. It's just an identifier.

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It's how many they have. How many do they have?

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Six. And are they labeled one through six? Yeah,

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place one, place two, place three. So when place

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one leaves, does it get replaced by another one,

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or do they move two and everybody up? No. No.

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Or down. They keep their spots. Yes. I don't

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know. And how long do they hold office? Three

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years at a time for a maximum of nine, unless,

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for example, I'm filling an unexpired term. You

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hear I speak that I'm winning. Filling an unexpired

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term means that I'll finish out John Keating's

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last year of his seat. And then I can run for

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re -election for three more terms. He resigned

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so he can run for mayor. For mayor. Mayor of

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Frisco, huh? Yeah. Is that up next year as well?

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Yeah, Jeff is terming out. So Jeff Cheney, not

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to be confused with the other Jeffs in the room.

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So to clarify, so you are actually holding that

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seat now? No. Oh, you're not? No, I'm not. No,

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I'm running for it. I'm just saying that I'm

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going to win. Okay, so this is an off cycle to

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fill this seat that's being vacated by Keating.

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Correct. Who's running for mayor. Okay, perfect.

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Got it. It's a special election. Special election.

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There we go. Okay, so. Yeah, pardon some of the

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ignorance we have. It's okay. We bounce all over

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the place in terms of international politics,

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national politics, federal, state. There's a

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lot of people that don't understand the concept.

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And that's exactly why I wanted to ask these

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questions. A lot of people are not involved.

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A lot of people don't understand. So this election

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is happening right away. The early voting starts

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January 14th, and the election day is actually

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January 31. Oh my gosh. I know. When I say it,

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it's like... And it's one of those elections

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that hardly anybody votes. Unfortunately, we

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know that's the truth, right? It's the truth.

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Well, we have a million listeners. Yeah. I saw

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that. They're all in Bangladesh. In our dream.

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We have some in Norway, but yeah. How many folks

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running against you? One. Just one. Just one.

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So it's you against, okay, gotcha. Now, is this

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somebody that has held public office before or

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a newbie like you? He has not held public office

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before, but he was, he's. been in bureaucracy

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is most of his career i would guess yeah okay

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okay so i'd love that you decide to step off

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the sidelines you're you're tired of what's going

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on or maybe you're excited of what it could be

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like give us the actual motivation what what

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when were you sitting on the couch and going

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you know what i've had enough or you know what

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this is exciting i'm gonna do it because of um

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it was more of i've had enough okay the last

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couple election cycles were very ugly and last

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may got I would sit in the forums and listen

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to people talk and they would say things that

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weren't true. So you're saying the campaigning...

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No, say it's not so. I know. You're saying the

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campaigning itself was really ugly. Yeah, it

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was. And I would call and say, hey, I'd call

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maybe one of the departments in our city and

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say, tell me, I just heard this. Is that actual?

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And they're like, well, you know that's not true

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because... And they'd explain. So one of the

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new things you're going to develop is the Frisco

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Snopes. Right, right. Oh, my gosh. You run a

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fact -checking service? Let's have a fact -checking

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service at every forum. Somebody's fact -checking.

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That would be nice. It should be, really. And

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that's the unfortunate truth about politicians,

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right? I mean, in general, we all think that

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they just say whatever it takes to get elected,

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right? Right. Generally. Unfortunately, and I

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think that it's... It's very pervasive. It's

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something that I don't think was so much in Frisco,

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but the national politics are starting to infiltrate

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our little burb here. Well, the city is a quarter

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million people now. I was going to say, not little

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anymore. Yeah, we're not little anymore. No,

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we're not. Yeah, Julie and I moved here in 98

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when there were 20 ,000 people here. 97 when

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it was 16 ,000. You just had to one -up me. I

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one -upped you big time. 93 when there were three

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people here. Dang it. You were one of the first

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three people? I was, I was. No. 2005. And we'll

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get through this throughout the podcast, but

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I'm going to be interested in asking what your

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vision is because we see what Frisco is today,

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right? And it's grown dramatically. And we'll

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get into some of the policy stuff, but I want

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to keep going on to the drive that got you into

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this race to begin with. You said some of the

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misinformation, some of the incorrect information

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last year. Was that it? Just kind of the dirty

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politics of it last year? I think that and people

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were not looking far enough forward. I think

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that we, a lot of people running for office,

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especially newer people that have run for office,

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will talk about. you know like oh the roads are

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bad or oh there's so many apartments or you know

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things that but okay what about the fact that

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you know we're in the middle of this massive

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explosion of a population that's going to change

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everything in the next 10 years and you know

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i talk about water because i've talked to people

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on the water municipal water board like this

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is truly something we should be concerned about

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but also that's because i've lived places where

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there are shortages and they're we really where

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they actually do have really bad traffic i mean

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we have traffic situations but yeah i just go

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back from sacramento over thanksgiving and i

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told my brother -in -law i don't think they've

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paved the road since we moved away 38 years ago

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he's like i think you're right they haven't paved

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these roads in 38 years so you've seen a small

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city grow exponentially and not plan for it correct

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yeah okay and what and where have they fallen

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short in planning in your opinion i don't know

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thus far i don't know that Frisco has really

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fallen short. I mean, certainly we can always

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do something better. I think I will tell you

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that I think some of the wins in Frisco are zoning

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and land use planning. You know, when I'll talk

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to relatives in other states and we'll be on

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the phone while I'm running errands and they're

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like, how many stores have you been to just now?

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And I said, oh, I had five stores in the last

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20 minutes. How is that possible? Because they're

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all kind of clumped together. Right. And when

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I go into the residential area, it's all houses.

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Right. You know, that zoning is very intentional.

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Where I've been in other cities where you'll

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have a house and right next door to it is a gas

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station. Yep. Right. And then there's big, ugly

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signs that are really tall. So my high school

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years were in Houston where they had no zoning.

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Yep. So I can appreciate, when I moved here,

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big, big difference. Just in aesthetics, right?

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I mean, prettier, the signs are lower, there's

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landscaping. It's like you said, it's laid out

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a little bit better. So, yeah. I mean, the things

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that the recent councils have done about more

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green space and trying to preserve that, I think

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that's very smart. But I think also we have to

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look at what we can do regionally and what does

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10 years down the road look like. And I was on

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the Comprehensive Planning Committee, which is

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basically like the Future Planning Committee

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that kind of tells our city departments, this

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is where we want things to be. This is what we

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think things are going to look like. So I was

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on that committee. I got more interested in,

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you know, like why are we not asking the right

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questions? Right. You know, I'll tell you one

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of my big supporters is JP Hogan. And he said,

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I don't support everybody because they don't

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ask the right questions. They all think they

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play in the same sandbox. So if you're not thinking

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differently. And so he and I met and he's, he

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was like a hundred percent behind you. Nice.

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Yeah. What kind of influence will he have? Clarify

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that a little bit better. So he's behind you.

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He supports you. Is that just for. Just for friendly?

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Or is he financially? He is very well respected

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in the veteran community. He's a retired colonel.

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Has a lot of influence in the city with people

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in his circles. So having his support, I think,

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says a lot as far as this is somebody who's well

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respected, who's been here a long time, who thinks

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forward. He's picked her. It's an endorsement

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is what it is. It is an endorsement. And so pardon

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my ignorance. What is his capacity? Is he a current

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city council member? No, he's just an active.

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So he's just somebody who's really involved in

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the community and has a voice that people recognize.

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Yes. Gotcha. Okay, cool. That's huge. All right,

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give us a little bit of your background. So you,

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corporate world. Yes. Tell me a little bit about

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that. So over 30 years in corporate American

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financial services, um, did everything from processing

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payments to processing loans to, um, managing

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the Western United States for a mortgage company.

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Okay. So I traveled a lot. Um, I did ridiculous

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things like tell people how to set up their two

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hole punch. So their files would get through

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underwriting, which was nice. That's a good use

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of my skills or, um, right. Actual, um, sales

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protocols for our sales force um and then um

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i helped to vet our joint venture partner when

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we opened a a title company a national title

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company here in dallas which is what moved me

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here nice yeah so how do you feel that translates

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to what they need on the city council so i'd

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spent before i opened my own business i spent

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my life reading contracts um i did a lot of executive

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planning uh with as far as employees like career

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ladder we would plan out their careers and map

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out where they want it to be in 10 years right

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so looking at contracts for our staff setting

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I we would write compensation plans we would

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I mean with the joint venture I had to look over

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the contract with that to see you know is this

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a good deal from our company to go into business

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with them and then of course when we came here

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we had to hire we hired 50 people during the

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holidays and I had to convince them to go to

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Pittsburgh for training during December Oh, nice.

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Nice. I have some persuasion skills, I guess.

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There you go. You're a good salesperson. Power

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suggestion. Nice. There we go. Yeah. So I think

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all of it just culminates into just looking at

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things differently. That's what I'm very good

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at. Problem solving, looking at things differently

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from all sides. And that's what I think has gotten

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me very far in life. Nice. Okay. I can keep buying

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questions. But Jeff has some prepared questions.

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Well, not prepared. I was going to ask Anne about

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her personal life. Yeah, let's do that. Yeah.

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Tell us about your family. There you go. I have

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a great family. My husband is Thor, who I sold.

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He's an educator. He teaches AP Physics and AP

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Physics C at Frisco High School. Nice. He used

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to work with me, and he said he loves me, and

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he loves working with me, but he misses teaching.

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Guys like that should be in the classroom. So

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he is. He's very happy there. And that's my husband.

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He used to jump out of airplanes. So this is

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what I always say. When we met, he was driving

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a motorcycle, jumping out of airplanes. It was

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super cool. And now he is one step away from

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a pocket protector. So AP Physics, does he do

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experiments at home or anything? Does he practice?

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Any mini explosions? Yeah, you don't have any

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burned walls or holes in the ceiling? No. No.

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So he's good at what he does then. He's very

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good at what he does, but don't ask him a science

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question. Like if I'll say, I don't understand

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why this is whatever. Why is the sky blue? I

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don't know. And he'll explain it to you. Right.

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Very clearly and concisely. Does he mansplain?

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Uh -oh. You put a stop to that. Sometimes. I

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think in her world they call it husbandsplaining.

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Husbandsplaining. Right. And kids? And kids.

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I have a 27 -year -old daughter and a 24 -year

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-old son. Our daughter is a graduate of Texas

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Tech. Nice. Yeah. And you've been here 20 years,

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so they went through the school system here.

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Frisco ISD kids. Very nice. And our son is on

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the spectrum, the autism spectrum, and he has

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associates from Collin College. And, you know,

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he's just figuring things out at his own pace.

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That's all right. Nice. Because that's what happens.

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We all have some of those. We all have some of

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those. Some of them aren't even diagnosed. Right.

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Probably one of them. You are one of them. My

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mom overdosed on Tylenol all the time. Oh, nice.

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Your friends will tell you. No, that's our family.

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And probably the people that really run the roost

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are our two dogs. There you go. No pets? Tula

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and Sophie. I had about... I had maybe 12 inches

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of our bed last night. Are they big dogs? No,

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they're little dogs. But they can spread out.

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Very inclusive. They definitely control things.

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And last night I was the last one in bed. Got

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to get a little dog hammock and suspend them

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over the bed. There you go. Nice. I feel like

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that would not be successful. No. Your husband

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can figure it out. So how'd the family feel about

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you making this decision? Oh, big. Well, they

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had to be really supportive because they will.

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They don't see me much right now. Matter of fact,

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you guys did not notice that my phone was ringing

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because that was the family calling. You have

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a huge commitment. You do, but also they should

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be looking at my calendar. If we need to stop,

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all we do is hit pause. No, y 'all are good.

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So they're very supportive. Their friends are

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supportive. They think that this is the right

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thing to do. We all have a lot of... peace and

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confidence that it's what I'm supposed to be

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doing right now in my life. Has there been any

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nastiness yet? Not really. I mean, I hope not.

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There was a little, I kind of overlooked something.

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Um, I honestly made a kind of a stupid mistake

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and I was really mad at myself actually about

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it. And, uh, I fixed it this morning. First thing,

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because when you're in leadership, you, if you,

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someone points out, you may, maybe you made a

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mistake. What you should do is investigate it,

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verify, and then fix it, and that's what I did.

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Own it, yeah. I owned it, and I fixed it. Good

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for you. That's a rare character trait nowadays,

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it seems like. She's correct. That's what I used

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to tell my team all the time. If we make a mistake,

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we own it, we figure out what we did wrong, and

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we try not to do it again. I tell my team, it's

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going to come on you. It's not going to come

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on me. I had nothing to do with this. Yeah, the

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shit rolls downstairs, not upstairs, or whatever

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they say. But don't say it. But by the way, this

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is what we're drinking that we'll talk about

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eventually in the podcast if you want to pick

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it up at any point. So how involved is city council

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in the school district? They shouldn't be. I

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mean, the school district runs itself. The city

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runs itself. They're two different entities.

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Okay. So there's no – city council has no say

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in schools opening, closing, or anything like

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that? No. Just funding -wise, they do. No, not

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funding. The city does not fund the school district.

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The school district funds itself. Oh, that's

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true. Because, as you know, my wife's a teacher,

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and one of the things that I've been reading

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and seeing is the attendance is dropping in Frisco,

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like dramatically in the early, because Frisco

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has become an expensive place to move into. If

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you weren't already here 15, 20 years, it's very

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expensive to buy. So starting families can't

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really buy in, which means there's no little

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kids to go to schools. What about the finite

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amount of people that actually live here? I don't

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have kids that are going to die in school. That's

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what it is. All our kids have grown up and moved

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on. Right. And young families are not replacing

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them. And they're not replacing them. So what's

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your thought there? Well, she said that they

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don't have much say in it, but I was going to

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ask, what's the kind of vision is, how does that

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correct it, kind of, or can it be? That's a tough

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one, isn't it? Because they're going to still

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want that money. It is. I mean, meaning home

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values are still going to stay high. They want

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the assessed value. They're still going to have

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$30 million SISD. buildings being constructed.

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I don't think they're going to be building any

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soon. I think they're going to be closing some

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soon. My point is that they've got to allocate

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the money for something. Who knows? We'll probably

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have $105 million football stadiums being proposed

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like they did out in Allen. We actually have

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that taken care of because we have the star.

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We have a dome. It's not retractable. I was there.

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It should have been retractable. All right, so

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is that one of the concerns that the city council

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is not really that special? It's not their focus,

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but is it a concern? I think that what you're

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talking about is the housing situation. It's

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a national problem, right? Right. So my husband's

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from Bismarck, North Dakota. You would think

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that housing would be very affordable, very not,

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you know, who's moving there, right? Right. It's

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really cold there right now. Why would you want

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to live there? But last time I was there, I was

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surprised to see the housing values have gone

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up. exponentially from what they were in a few

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years before. So this was in like four years

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ago compared to two years ago. So I would, it

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is a national, it's a national situation. I have

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a lot of thoughts around, you know, what could

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have caused it or, you know, was it that the

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interest rates were so low and it caused the

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market to be depleted of houses? Is it, you know,

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people were buying more house than they, you

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know, than what they normally would have been

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able to afford? I was talking to a mortgage guy

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and I said, what do you think the perfect rate

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is? And he says somewhere around six and a half.

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And I thought, you know. Really? Well, when I

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bought my first house, it was six and a half

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percent. I'll never forget it. My parents paid

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double digits interest rates in the 70s. I know

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it. I clearly remember that. Insane. It was insane,

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right? Yeah, but the house was $30 ,000. Right.

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Exactly. But the salary was $1 .70 an hour. Right.

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That's all my dad's check. Right. I was in the

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50s. He showed us his father's very first paycheck.

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Oh, my goodness. It was insane. It was at General

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Electric. It was $1 .70 an hour. Oh, my goodness.

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You could buy a whole case of beer. Yeah. But

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ice cream was a penny. Yeah. And a movie was

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a nickel. Right. So we can't rewind the clock

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and go backwards, right? No. And everyone talks

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about the cost of housing. I saw an interesting

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city council meeting for one of our neighboring

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cities. And a council person, a developer was

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presenting and the council person challenged

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them on what they were building. And he said,

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I'm going to vote no on this project. And the

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whole city council voted no because the largest

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employer in that city is a school district. And

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none of their employees could afford what this

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person was going to build. Now, we live in a,

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and people have the right to sell their land

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for what they want to and the developers can

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build what they want. sell their homes for what

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they want. You and I can sell our homes for what

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we want. Sure. We can try to at least. Right.

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But move where? And buy what? Exactly. It's not

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reciprocal. Because I guarantee it, whatever

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we move into is going to be more expensive. Well,

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that's part of the challenge is everyone is sitting

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on their homes right now because we have 2 %

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APR right now on this house. Why am I going to

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go sell this to go pay, I don't even know what

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it is now, 6%, 7 % now? It might be the 6 .5%.

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It might be the 6 .5 % now, right. Yeah, and

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that's a dramatic increase in your mortgage payment.

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So when you're looking at four points. When you

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talk to mortgage people and realtors and they

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talk about the market adjusting itself, right?

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So I saw a house listed that has been dropped

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$100 ,000 here in Frisco. Yeah. So that's what

00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:22.140
we're talking about, market adjustments. We lived

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in California, like I referred to earlier. It

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was 37 years ago. It was before we had children,

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a long time ago. And we saw two market adjustments.

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In the time that we lived there, we lived there

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eight years. And there's been multiple since

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then. But in the end of the day, my brother -in

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-law has lived in his house for almost 40 years.

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And it's certainly worth a heck of a lot more

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now than it was when he bought it, right? So

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it still is that good investment, but the market

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adjusts. And when we say, how can people afford

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homes? But I have two nieces who just bought

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houses out there. That's $600 ,000. So they make

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more. But you figure it out. So is it longer?

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Is it more years on a mortgage? Is it interest

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rate? It is a big problem. What percentage of

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that do you think, and this is kind of a general

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question, not necessarily aimed at you, but what

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percentage of the increase of that interest do

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you think is because these large conglomerates

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are gobbling up houses just to lease out as opposed

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to selling? It causes scarcity in the market

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for certain, right? It does. It's about supply

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and demand. It is supply and demand. And I don't

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like it. I'll tell you that. I am a conservative

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person. I believe that business owners and the

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right to earn money and make money. But I think

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that when these large conglomerates come in and

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buy up all the houses and cause scarcity. I know

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we've talked about that before. How real is that

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problem? I mean, is that really what's happening?

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I don't know in Frisco. There's a lot of B &Bs.

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I think it's more prevalent than we think it

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is. I've talked to realtors who've talked about

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conglomerates buying up houses in Frisco. Maybe

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not so much now that our houses are... I get

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phone calls at least once a month. And I think

00:24:02.059 --> 00:24:04.339
the way they're battling it is like our HOA just

00:24:04.339 --> 00:24:07.480
had a meeting where they are now restricting

00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:10.299
B &Bs and rentals. Yeah, we can't have them in

00:24:10.299 --> 00:24:11.660
this neighborhood either. That's right. So I

00:24:11.660 --> 00:24:13.380
think that's the way they're fighting back against

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these conglomerates. Because if you have those

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rules in, they can't buy in your neighborhood.

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They're not going to get the return. If you can

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get control over that HOA, those bylaws, we got

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to change that. Shoot, you have what, 83, 88

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% of your folks to vote in? I know we were able

00:24:29.529 --> 00:24:31.450
to. Yeah, we were in the middle of it. I think

00:24:31.450 --> 00:24:33.769
we were devoting. We were not. We've unsuccessfully

00:24:33.769 --> 00:24:36.869
tried two, three times. Is that right, Chuck?

00:24:37.430 --> 00:24:39.069
Have you picked up that ball and tried running

00:24:39.069 --> 00:24:40.970
with it again? We tried, and I don't think it

00:24:40.970 --> 00:24:46.150
was... We got advised to not even try. Who advised

00:24:46.150 --> 00:24:49.170
you? It was Jesse. Because he wanted to sell

00:24:49.170 --> 00:24:51.690
his house to rent it. There we go. You know what?

00:24:51.730 --> 00:24:53.430
We'll have this conversation later. Sidebar.

00:24:53.630 --> 00:24:56.609
Sidebar, yeah. Cool. All right, so pivoting back

00:24:56.609 --> 00:25:00.230
to the city council. So what are the top priorities?

00:25:00.430 --> 00:25:02.670
Not the priorities because it doesn't necessarily

00:25:02.670 --> 00:25:06.910
relate to problems. What are the biggest challenges

00:25:06.910 --> 00:25:10.269
that the city council faces in general? Currently.

00:25:10.309 --> 00:25:13.529
For the city. That you see. From your perspective.

00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:18.059
I think it's growth, the fast growth and finishing

00:25:18.059 --> 00:25:20.079
the build out of the city. You know, we've had

00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:22.579
the huge increase, right? I moved here 20 years

00:25:22.579 --> 00:25:26.180
ago. So I remember like piles of dirt and I looked

00:25:26.180 --> 00:25:27.640
at Thorne like, really, we're doing this again.

00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:29.759
We moved to cities that we're just building out.

00:25:29.859 --> 00:25:32.279
Right. So we have the massive growth. We have

00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:35.039
a huge influx of new residents who don't really

00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:37.180
know the history of the city. They're just new.

00:25:38.019 --> 00:25:40.000
They don't know how to drive. Just a place to

00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:42.150
live. I'm not going to touch the driving. I'm

00:25:42.150 --> 00:25:46.309
an insurance agent. I don't remember reading

00:25:46.309 --> 00:25:51.109
that sticker. But I think that being very responsible

00:25:51.109 --> 00:25:53.650
to the last bit of the city as it gets built

00:25:53.650 --> 00:25:56.410
out, I think also as we reinvest into the city,

00:25:56.470 --> 00:25:57.650
that's going to be something that we have to

00:25:57.650 --> 00:25:59.869
pay attention to. And when you talk about reinvestment,

00:25:59.869 --> 00:26:02.150
you have to think, I always give the example

00:26:02.150 --> 00:26:06.230
in Back to the Future, the first one, when Michael

00:26:06.230 --> 00:26:09.069
J. Fox goes back in time, his neighborhood is

00:26:09.069 --> 00:26:11.509
the place to be, right? Right. But the reality

00:26:11.509 --> 00:26:13.609
in his current timeline is it's not the place

00:26:13.609 --> 00:26:15.990
to be. Right. We need to make sure that that

00:26:15.990 --> 00:26:17.890
doesn't happen to Frisco. Right. Protect the

00:26:17.890 --> 00:26:21.769
city from becoming a ring city that's decrepit.

00:26:22.230 --> 00:26:24.829
I mean, there's a lot of buildup. I mean, they've

00:26:24.829 --> 00:26:27.250
got Universal Studios, which is going to be north

00:26:27.250 --> 00:26:30.329
of us. They've got the Craig's Ranch golf course

00:26:30.329 --> 00:26:31.529
with the Byron Nelson tournament. That's McKinney,

00:26:31.529 --> 00:26:34.349
though, isn't it? It's close enough. Yeah. But

00:26:34.349 --> 00:26:36.710
you mean the PGA, though? The PGA. The PGA, yeah.

00:26:36.970 --> 00:26:39.539
Then you have the trails. up there that I think

00:26:39.539 --> 00:26:41.859
is the biggest thing going in right now up there.

00:26:42.099 --> 00:26:44.519
It's on the west side. It's up there by PGA.

00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:46.539
Fields West. Fields West. That's what I'm thinking

00:26:46.539 --> 00:26:49.460
of. Yeah. That thing's going to be dramatic.

00:26:50.019 --> 00:26:52.420
Question. Do you know what percentage is still

00:26:52.420 --> 00:26:56.180
open in Frisco? Undeveloped. Undeveloped. It's

00:26:56.180 --> 00:26:58.400
less than 20%. I want to say it's running. It's

00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:00.819
looking like 10. That's quick. It's really low.

00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.779
Yeah. It was 20 a few years ago, but now it's...

00:27:03.779 --> 00:27:06.859
So does Brickman Ranch account for a lot of that?

00:27:07.259 --> 00:27:09.000
Yeah, oh yeah. It's the biggest piece. Because

00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:10.700
Brinkman Ranch, you have the big ranch on the

00:27:10.700 --> 00:27:13.019
other side of Preston as well. That is also Brinkman

00:27:13.019 --> 00:27:15.220
though. That's Brinkman too. That's also Brinkman?

00:27:15.339 --> 00:27:19.200
The one by the college? Yeah. There it is. So

00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:23.380
who's having conversations with, who is Brinkman?

00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:26.099
Is it just now just an entity? It's not a person

00:27:26.099 --> 00:27:28.259
anymore, is it? I think it's the kids that own

00:27:28.259 --> 00:27:31.220
Brinkman Ranch. Yeah. So it's what they want

00:27:31.220 --> 00:27:33.740
to do. Little by little they're selling it, yes.

00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:35.759
So that's what I've noticed is they're selling

00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.539
off it piecemeal. Does that kind of continue

00:27:38.539 --> 00:27:41.339
in what you're seeing or hearing? Remember, we

00:27:41.339 --> 00:27:44.079
live in a country where the landowner can do

00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:46.019
what they want. That's correct. It's a free enterprise.

00:27:46.380 --> 00:27:49.079
If you don't want that land to be developed into

00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:51.799
a neighborhood, you can buy it and do what you

00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:54.299
want with it, right? I mean, that's what they

00:27:54.299 --> 00:27:56.740
did. As soon as our podcast gets to number one

00:27:56.740 --> 00:27:59.539
in the country, we're going to have that kind

00:27:59.539 --> 00:28:02.779
of capital, I think. But until then, we might

00:28:02.779 --> 00:28:04.700
have to wait a little bit longer. Just a little

00:28:04.700 --> 00:28:08.339
shy of that. Yeah. Okay. But there's nothing

00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:11.660
the city wants to guide, right? Because you guys

00:28:11.660 --> 00:28:14.240
have the ability to, in the city, maybe not in

00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:18.519
city council, but to approve zoning. So what's

00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:20.740
their role? Yeah. So I mentioned before, I was

00:28:20.740 --> 00:28:22.279
on comprehensive planning committee. And one

00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:24.480
of the things that we spend a lot of time on

00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:26.180
is what we call the FLUP, which is future land

00:28:26.180 --> 00:28:30.680
use map or plan. And that really talks about

00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:34.630
when the city is redeveloping. A good example

00:28:34.630 --> 00:28:37.529
of this is Craig Hall at Hall Office Park. He

00:28:37.529 --> 00:28:40.250
tore down perfectly good buildings and built

00:28:40.250 --> 00:28:42.990
a giant, the beautiful apartment complex, the

00:28:42.990 --> 00:28:45.930
Monarch, the park that they're expanding, right?

00:28:46.029 --> 00:28:49.210
That's reinvestment into the city, making it

00:28:49.210 --> 00:28:53.029
new, making it different. So when you look at

00:28:53.029 --> 00:28:55.309
the future land use, we look at different areas

00:28:55.309 --> 00:28:57.569
and we think, well, what's going to happen here

00:28:57.569 --> 00:29:02.119
potentially? Or as Preston goes north, What do

00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:05.339
we want zoned along Preston Road? But what do

00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:07.920
we want zoned just off of Preston Road? Or like

00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:09.980
when we go off of Panther Creek, do you want

00:29:09.980 --> 00:29:12.480
neighborhoods there? Do you want retail? Do you

00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:16.029
want, you know, mixed use? So those are all the

00:29:16.029 --> 00:29:17.769
things you look at. So the city does have some

00:29:17.769 --> 00:29:19.910
control, right? Right. We even had somebody in

00:29:19.910 --> 00:29:22.630
our group that was saying the population is going

00:29:22.630 --> 00:29:24.869
to be X. And there were a number of us, including

00:29:24.869 --> 00:29:27.049
myself, who said, no, we can control the population

00:29:27.049 --> 00:29:30.250
based on the zoning, right? We can control density

00:29:30.250 --> 00:29:33.890
based on zoning. So, you know. I mean, Addison

00:29:33.890 --> 00:29:36.470
did that. Yeah. I mean, Addison is, they don't

00:29:36.470 --> 00:29:39.569
have anything. It's all business. Most of it.

00:29:39.769 --> 00:29:42.130
Yes. I used to work in Addison and I always thought

00:29:42.130 --> 00:29:44.650
that was, they have very few residential, right?

00:29:44.829 --> 00:29:47.109
Yeah. It's very commercial heavy. There's a good

00:29:47.109 --> 00:29:49.289
balance in a city between commercial and residential

00:29:49.289 --> 00:29:51.930
development that makes, that helps with taxes,

00:29:51.970 --> 00:29:53.809
that helps with amenities in the city and things

00:29:53.809 --> 00:29:56.150
that we expect like good roads, water, sewer.

00:29:56.650 --> 00:29:59.289
That's an interesting dynamic because you got

00:29:59.289 --> 00:30:00.569
to balance it the whole way. You don't want us

00:30:00.569 --> 00:30:03.450
turning into the hood. No. You know, and it's

00:30:03.450 --> 00:30:06.400
just. I mean, of course not. It's redundant,

00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:09.299
but I mean, it's rhetorical. What are we going

00:30:09.299 --> 00:30:12.420
to do, though? What is going on? You said reinvestment.

00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:14.480
What does that look like for older neighborhoods?

00:30:14.940 --> 00:30:17.960
Okay, so reinvestment on our side of town. We

00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:20.819
all live on the east side, which I feel like

00:30:20.819 --> 00:30:23.240
this is the hidden gem. Don't tell everyone,

00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.130
but we've got... La Hacienda and Ikea. Come on.

00:30:26.269 --> 00:30:28.089
There we go. I think we're winning. You nailed

00:30:28.089 --> 00:30:30.849
it. Yeah. I'm telling you. So, okay, that was

00:30:30.849 --> 00:30:34.529
a joke. And three stacks. And three stacks. I

00:30:34.529 --> 00:30:37.589
mean, come on. Hooters. All right. That is a

00:30:37.589 --> 00:30:39.529
story all by itself. I knew that was coming.

00:30:39.690 --> 00:30:42.630
But you know what was funny? When Hooters first

00:30:42.630 --> 00:30:45.150
came around, and you lived here, and they couldn't

00:30:45.150 --> 00:30:47.589
do any advertising. And Jeff, you probably know

00:30:47.589 --> 00:30:49.710
more about this story, but they didn't put themselves

00:30:49.710 --> 00:30:52.470
out there as a Hooters. Really? It was their

00:30:52.470 --> 00:30:54.569
parent name of the company. It was like Texas

00:30:54.569 --> 00:30:57.750
Wings Incorporated. Yeah. So I think they duped

00:30:57.750 --> 00:31:00.250
the city council when they got their license.

00:31:00.470 --> 00:31:04.490
Not when they got their approval to build, but

00:31:04.490 --> 00:31:08.089
they withheld the liquor license. Oh. I remember

00:31:08.089 --> 00:31:10.970
that. And they gave us complimentary beers when

00:31:10.970 --> 00:31:12.670
we went in there. And do you remember when they

00:31:12.670 --> 00:31:15.220
got it? No, I don't know. They flew an airplane

00:31:15.220 --> 00:31:18.240
over Frisco with a gigantic orange banner saying,

00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:20.740
we got it. That's all it said. We got it. It

00:31:20.740 --> 00:31:22.440
didn't even have the logo on it. That's funny.

00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:25.200
I got to be honest. Hooters may have been kind

00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:28.019
of a cool thing, shoot, such a long time ago.

00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:31.960
In the 90s? 2000s? I don't care about any of

00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.839
that crap. None of that makes a difference to

00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:37.740
me. In fact, I don't go to those places because

00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:40.289
the food is horrible. It's healthy. It's chicken.

00:31:40.670 --> 00:31:44.009
So it's time to tear it down and build something

00:31:44.009 --> 00:31:46.910
nicer. That's the reinvestment strategy. So you're

00:31:46.910 --> 00:31:49.250
getting on to the east side. What are some potential

00:31:49.250 --> 00:31:51.869
reinvestments on the east side? I think you can

00:31:51.869 --> 00:31:53.849
look at roads that are aging, infrastructure

00:31:53.849 --> 00:31:56.069
that's aging. Parks. That's specifically parks

00:31:56.069 --> 00:31:58.190
that need investment. Well, look at Shepherd's

00:31:58.190 --> 00:32:01.710
Hill. They're just reinvesting on that. Re -looking

00:32:01.710 --> 00:32:03.450
at parks and art that's been invested. What part

00:32:03.450 --> 00:32:05.509
of Shepherd's Hill? Is that where the - That

00:32:05.509 --> 00:32:07.920
little water park was? Oh, okay, yes. Behind

00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.640
Gunstream. Yeah. Where the sheep were. Yeah,

00:32:09.700 --> 00:32:11.420
they've got some cool things that are happening

00:32:11.420 --> 00:32:13.140
over there. Yeah. I've got to tell you, I've

00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:16.099
got some concerns about that rather large concrete

00:32:16.099 --> 00:32:18.460
circle sign that they have. It seems very unstable.

00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:20.559
I haven't seen that. Like it's going to roll

00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:22.759
down the street? Well, like it could fall on

00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:24.660
somebody. It just appears to be precarious. If

00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:26.880
that thing is really solid concrete, because

00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:30.099
it's part of my path that I walk and do my little

00:32:30.099 --> 00:32:33.519
exercise path. And I walk back and I'm like,

00:32:33.579 --> 00:32:35.680
that doesn't... That doesn't look safe at all.

00:32:35.859 --> 00:32:37.339
So, Chuck, you're a civil engineer. Can you take

00:32:37.339 --> 00:32:40.019
a look at it? Yeah. I'll get right on it. Okay,

00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:42.559
cool. Take a couple measurements? Sure. All right,

00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.700
cool. Make sure it's securely attached. Did you

00:32:45.700 --> 00:32:48.579
T -square out? So, okay, so basically aging neighborhoods,

00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:51.119
you're looking to kind of reinvest in the parks,

00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:53.500
maybe clean those up, make them nicer, roads.

00:32:54.099 --> 00:32:56.160
Roads, definitely. The things that people that

00:32:56.160 --> 00:33:00.200
we use every day, right? Right. Sidewalks. Sidewalks,

00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.200
you see it, right? You see them tearing up the

00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:03.359
street and you're like, why are they tearing

00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:05.220
up the street? Well, it could be that they're

00:33:05.220 --> 00:33:07.519
- Falling apart. Either the street or what's

00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:10.200
under the street. Yep. Yeah, like Hillcrest is

00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.380
an example. They're ripping up left and right

00:33:12.380 --> 00:33:14.160
over there. What are they running under there?

00:33:14.739 --> 00:33:17.019
I could look into that for you. Hillcrest is

00:33:17.019 --> 00:33:20.700
getting repaved or whatever. The original Hillcrest

00:33:20.700 --> 00:33:23.819
was two lanes on the right and that's getting

00:33:23.819 --> 00:33:27.200
to be 30 years old. It's time to redo it. I tell

00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.819
you what, it's a lot of money that they're going

00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:31.980
to need to reinvest. There's a lot of population,

00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.140
man. I'm saying, like you said, 30 years old

00:33:35.140 --> 00:33:38.700
stuff. It needs work. One of the things that

00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:42.109
I think... pay attention to things and then I

00:33:42.109 --> 00:33:45.210
kind of go down rabbit holes. But Plano has resurfaced

00:33:45.210 --> 00:33:48.250
Coit. Have you guys driven down? Blacktop. Yeah,

00:33:48.269 --> 00:33:50.049
that Blacktop, right? It's nice. But it's a new

00:33:50.049 --> 00:33:53.490
material. And so they're kind of seeing how it

00:33:53.490 --> 00:33:55.650
holds up. And Frisco's paying attention because

00:33:55.650 --> 00:33:57.710
if it holds up really well, we could be using

00:33:57.710 --> 00:33:59.509
that in the future. Well, I remember when they

00:33:59.509 --> 00:34:00.730
laid it, I told my wife, I was like, we have

00:34:00.730 --> 00:34:02.869
Blacktop up north. But I was like, it's not going

00:34:02.869 --> 00:34:05.170
to last down here. Because of the heat. But it's

00:34:05.170 --> 00:34:07.750
not the regular. I didn't know that. It spontaneously

00:34:07.750 --> 00:34:10.489
combusts. And I was like, this is not going to

00:34:10.489 --> 00:34:12.969
last down here. It's made of strontium. Yes,

00:34:12.969 --> 00:34:16.389
strontium. And it has. And it has. They've done

00:34:16.389 --> 00:34:19.409
Coit, and they've done Independence. And Legacy.

00:34:19.670 --> 00:34:23.309
And Legacy. And it's held up really well every

00:34:23.309 --> 00:34:26.230
day. And it's smooth. It's very smooth. How long

00:34:26.230 --> 00:34:28.480
has it been there, though? three four years yeah

00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:30.900
yeah it's nice yeah so we're paying attention

00:34:30.900 --> 00:34:32.860
so those are one of the things that you have

00:34:32.860 --> 00:34:34.440
to look at when you're reinvesting right you

00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:36.380
don't want to do the same old thing you have

00:34:36.380 --> 00:34:38.739
to look at what technology is telling us is a

00:34:38.739 --> 00:34:40.159
better investment for the city going forward

00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:43.139
longevity right right so whether it's roads or

00:34:43.139 --> 00:34:46.139
it's the pipes that run under the roads i'm kind

00:34:46.139 --> 00:34:47.940
of curious uh does this play in a role this and

00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:50.039
again a general question here i mean we have

00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:51.760
our roads the roads are designed for vehicles

00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:54.639
but they weren't really designed for those heavy

00:34:55.869 --> 00:34:58.750
Battery -operated cars. Especially trucks. EV

00:34:58.750 --> 00:35:00.949
trucks. Is that playing a role into that? Did

00:35:00.949 --> 00:35:03.250
they have... I mean, this is just kind of a general...

00:35:03.250 --> 00:35:05.909
Did that topic come up at all? I don't know that

00:35:05.909 --> 00:35:08.329
it necessarily comes up in the city because we

00:35:08.329 --> 00:35:10.909
don't control gas tax and stuff like that. I

00:35:10.909 --> 00:35:12.989
meant like the wear and tear of the streets.

00:35:13.289 --> 00:35:16.469
Certainly, that's a concern because those vehicles

00:35:16.469 --> 00:35:18.429
are very heavy and they do have wear and tear

00:35:18.429 --> 00:35:19.949
and they don't buy gas, so they don't pay gas

00:35:19.949 --> 00:35:22.809
tax, which helps to pay for roads. So, you know...

00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:27.219
There's always a lot of chatter about do they

00:35:27.219 --> 00:35:31.599
pay a different registration fee, like a tax

00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:34.639
or a use fee when they register the vehicle.

00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.920
I like that idea. But that comes from who do

00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.599
we pay our fees to, the county, the state. If

00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.400
we buy a gallon of gas and X amount of taxes,

00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.760
they get divvied up, who distributes that? The

00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:52.730
gas company? The gas tax? Yeah. I think that

00:35:52.730 --> 00:35:55.349
goes to the state. The state? Yeah. So would

00:35:55.349 --> 00:35:58.949
that same thing go with the EV cars? I mean,

00:35:58.969 --> 00:36:00.670
when you register your vehicle, is that what

00:36:00.670 --> 00:36:04.110
was proposed? When we register our cars, we register

00:36:04.110 --> 00:36:06.469
with the county. Yeah, just the county. That's

00:36:06.469 --> 00:36:09.829
the state. That's my point. How would you cross

00:36:09.829 --> 00:36:13.690
those lanes? Yeah, you would charge more registration

00:36:13.690 --> 00:36:16.750
for the EVs, right? And the county gets additional

00:36:16.750 --> 00:36:19.469
revenue. But I don't know if the revenue is shared

00:36:19.469 --> 00:36:21.710
from the county. Yeah, that's my point. Because

00:36:21.710 --> 00:36:24.250
the county doesn't pay for those roads inside

00:36:24.250 --> 00:36:26.849
the city. They pay for the roads outside of the

00:36:26.849 --> 00:36:28.889
city within their county. It almost be like an

00:36:28.889 --> 00:36:31.050
extra bill from the state that they would get

00:36:31.050 --> 00:36:33.570
every year. You have an AV here is a bill for

00:36:33.570 --> 00:36:36.369
whatever, 200 bucks. Maybe it'd be based on actual

00:36:36.369 --> 00:36:39.340
mileage that they do. Well, then you're tracking

00:36:39.340 --> 00:36:43.019
people. I think they do that in California, actually.

00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:46.420
Yeah, because there's so many EVs there. They

00:36:46.420 --> 00:36:49.059
had the gas problem. Gas taxes were dropping.

00:36:49.219 --> 00:36:53.280
So they did something that infuriated the EV

00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.159
owners, right? Because it's a problem. You're

00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.510
losing all that tax money. It's a big problem.

00:36:58.650 --> 00:37:00.210
It's a national problem. Again, it's a national

00:37:00.210 --> 00:37:02.070
problem. It's not just unique to Frisco. It's

00:37:02.070 --> 00:37:04.409
all over. And I think it's an unintended consequence,

00:37:04.710 --> 00:37:06.230
right? Nobody thought that was going to happen.

00:37:06.269 --> 00:37:07.849
Nobody thought about it. And then all of a sudden,

00:37:07.909 --> 00:37:09.489
it's here. There you go. I'm kind of curious

00:37:09.489 --> 00:37:11.889
what the ratio is from Frisco to other cities

00:37:11.889 --> 00:37:15.250
regarding Teslas and EV cars. Do you think Frisco

00:37:15.250 --> 00:37:19.989
has more on the average than a general city here

00:37:19.989 --> 00:37:23.650
in Texas? Here in Texas? I think so, yes. I think

00:37:23.650 --> 00:37:26.710
so, yes. We have a lot of Teslas in Frisco. We

00:37:26.710 --> 00:37:30.360
have two. A lot. I sometimes, I'll count the

00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.719
Teslas in front of houses. And they all have

00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:35.699
the same stickers. Can I pivot back to your story?

00:37:35.820 --> 00:37:37.400
Is that okay? Yeah, that's fine. What's your

00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:39.360
other question? Okay, so one thing that I always

00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:41.159
notice, when people want to get into politics

00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:43.340
after having a very successful career, and maybe

00:37:43.340 --> 00:37:46.559
they want to become a career politician, I know,

00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:48.280
I'm giving you an opportunity to tell us where

00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:49.880
you're, and so what they normally do is they

00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.710
go into city council first. as a stepping stone,

00:37:52.809 --> 00:37:56.030
really, to get them to state or maybe federal.

00:37:56.949 --> 00:38:01.769
What's your ambition? So not state or federal.

00:38:01.809 --> 00:38:03.809
I will tell you that that's something that actually

00:38:03.809 --> 00:38:06.590
annoys me when people use our city as a stepping

00:38:06.590 --> 00:38:09.530
stone to something else because it's disingenuine

00:38:09.530 --> 00:38:11.809
and it's not honest to the voters and the citizens

00:38:11.809 --> 00:38:16.550
of Frisco. So I don't have any ambition beyond

00:38:16.550 --> 00:38:18.789
the city of Frisco. I just want to do what's

00:38:18.789 --> 00:38:21.500
right by them. By our constituents, by the cities.

00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:24.340
Let's spin it then. Let's say you get the seat.

00:38:24.659 --> 00:38:27.019
And let's say you are, and I anticipate you're

00:38:27.019 --> 00:38:28.800
going to be fantastic. Yeah, you're a rock star.

00:38:28.860 --> 00:38:30.519
And let's say they're like, God bless it. You

00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:33.320
know what? We think you need to be mayor. And

00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:36.599
then you do fantastic with that. I mean, personally,

00:38:36.699 --> 00:38:38.960
let's say you're successful every step you take.

00:38:39.460 --> 00:38:42.280
Is there, would you entertain the idea if all

00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:44.699
of a sudden you've got a lot of support and a

00:38:44.699 --> 00:38:48.369
lot of... I mean, who's behind you? That is a

00:38:48.369 --> 00:38:50.650
whole nother level of a headache. I mean, you

00:38:50.650 --> 00:38:53.230
got to dream a little bit. I'm sure there's some

00:38:53.230 --> 00:38:55.550
sort of secret dreams down there. And would you

00:38:55.550 --> 00:38:57.389
credit the Dudes Like Us podcast for getting

00:38:57.389 --> 00:38:59.929
you this? A hundred percent. That's absolutely

00:38:59.929 --> 00:39:01.429
what we wanted. We don't care about your answer.

00:39:01.469 --> 00:39:02.849
That's all we really wanted to hear. That's it.

00:39:02.929 --> 00:39:06.690
Yeah. All right. No, go. No, I haven't thought

00:39:06.690 --> 00:39:09.650
about it. I'll be honest. I just want to do what

00:39:09.650 --> 00:39:11.829
I really want to get elected. I want to do what's

00:39:11.829 --> 00:39:14.860
best. Be honest. be a different voice different

00:39:14.860 --> 00:39:17.179
set of eyes on city council and be true to frisco

00:39:17.179 --> 00:39:20.480
right that's that's it i can't tell the future

00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:23.159
but i don't know i may or i mean i have a business

00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:25.699
to run too i eventually want to retire right

00:39:25.699 --> 00:39:28.719
so so you're thinking three years at a time at

00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:30.960
the moment yeah i think i'm thinking three years

00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:33.659
at a time well this election is one year and

00:39:33.659 --> 00:39:36.559
i still just four years you're gonna run it again

00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:41.949
in a year yes because you yeah that's the That's

00:39:41.949 --> 00:39:43.889
the challenge. When you run an unexpired term,

00:39:43.989 --> 00:39:46.090
you finish the term, and then you run for election

00:39:46.090 --> 00:39:48.610
on the regular cycle, which is next year. But

00:39:48.610 --> 00:39:51.230
you would be the incumbent. Incumbent. And that

00:39:51.230 --> 00:39:53.190
matters. Yeah. So you've mentioned a few times

00:39:53.190 --> 00:39:55.469
thinking differently than the current city council.

00:39:55.909 --> 00:39:58.469
What are some of those differences that you have

00:39:58.469 --> 00:40:01.550
from what they're currently doing? Yeah. I think

00:40:01.550 --> 00:40:05.530
that I look forward. So I lived in the Northwest

00:40:05.530 --> 00:40:10.039
when I was younger. Any of you been to the Seattle

00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:13.340
-Tacoma area? Okay, so it is basically a city

00:40:13.340 --> 00:40:16.980
from just north of Olympia all the way to north

00:40:16.980 --> 00:40:20.280
of Seattle. It's just a big city. That's what's

00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:22.320
coming here. And we can pretend it's not going

00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:25.340
to happen or we can plan strategically for it

00:40:25.340 --> 00:40:27.519
and be a good partner to the cities around us

00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:29.179
and the cities that are growing around us, right?

00:40:29.579 --> 00:40:31.239
I think that's something that we should be talking

00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:35.739
about. I think that... I've, it's in my priorities.

00:40:35.820 --> 00:40:37.920
I think that we have to pay attention. A good,

00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:40.099
healthy city pays attention to all the citizens.

00:40:40.699 --> 00:40:44.579
And I've talked to a number of retirees and parents

00:40:44.579 --> 00:40:47.900
and, you know, and I've said my son is on the

00:40:47.900 --> 00:40:50.659
spectrum. I think that there, I was at a workforce

00:40:50.659 --> 00:40:55.179
meeting in March at UNT and they talked about

00:40:55.179 --> 00:40:58.400
how employers have this huge job gap. And as

00:40:58.400 --> 00:40:59.880
I sat there, I thought, well, we have all these

00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:02.579
underemployed adults who could maybe fill that

00:41:02.579 --> 00:41:05.610
job gap. But it's going to take somebody starting

00:41:05.610 --> 00:41:07.369
the conversation, right? And we have to educate

00:41:07.369 --> 00:41:09.710
the employers and we need to also educate the

00:41:09.710 --> 00:41:11.989
young adults. They still have social skills to

00:41:11.989 --> 00:41:13.730
learn. They have life skills to learn. They have

00:41:13.730 --> 00:41:16.369
job skills to learn. Their executive function

00:41:16.369 --> 00:41:18.409
may not be quite where it should be at the age,

00:41:18.530 --> 00:41:20.349
the chronological age that they are. But they

00:41:20.349 --> 00:41:22.570
deserve a future just like all of us. And they

00:41:22.570 --> 00:41:24.530
all want a future. I can promise you my son wants

00:41:24.530 --> 00:41:26.110
to have a family. He wants to live independently.

00:41:26.489 --> 00:41:28.409
Nice. But he's just not there yet, right? Right.

00:41:28.690 --> 00:41:33.110
But wouldn't it be great if we... found some

00:41:33.110 --> 00:41:34.869
of these nonprofits that actually work in that

00:41:34.869 --> 00:41:37.050
space. And we gave them a place to meet and a

00:41:37.050 --> 00:41:38.769
place to offer their services. And all of a sudden

00:41:38.769 --> 00:41:40.130
we started meeting the needs of the employers

00:41:40.130 --> 00:41:43.429
because I'm business minded and also filling

00:41:43.429 --> 00:41:46.309
the needs with those employees. And now we don't

00:41:46.309 --> 00:41:48.429
have these underemployed adults. We actually

00:41:48.429 --> 00:41:51.489
have them on a path to a future. So things like

00:41:51.489 --> 00:41:53.710
that don't get talked about, right? And maybe

00:41:53.710 --> 00:41:56.070
it's because of my son. Maybe it's because I

00:41:56.070 --> 00:42:00.429
go to workforce meetings and I've been in that

00:42:00.429 --> 00:42:02.840
space my whole life. But I think that there's

00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:05.559
an opportunity there. I think that the other

00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.619
thing is water, which I touched on. I think we

00:42:07.619 --> 00:42:09.260
should be talking about it. We can't wait 10

00:42:09.260 --> 00:42:11.539
years from now. There's going to be so many people

00:42:11.539 --> 00:42:14.400
here. Water is a finite resource in North Texas,

00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:16.960
and people move here by the droves every year.

00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.340
So how do we solve that problem? What exactly

00:42:20.340 --> 00:42:23.659
is the problem? No, we have plenty of water now,

00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:25.440
but you're saying if we keep growing at this

00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:29.780
rate, I'm sure they are doing math based on forecasted

00:42:29.780 --> 00:42:32.760
rainfall. number of people and how much water

00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:35.500
consumption and the rate of consumption they

00:42:35.500 --> 00:42:37.320
know we're going to run out at some point or

00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:38.920
what where is it going i don't think it's the

00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:42.139
running out there and they are taking steps to

00:42:42.139 --> 00:42:46.599
um recycle and reclaim water um i actually had

00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.159
a saw a wonderful presentation that was made

00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.980
um and talking about the there's a um oh it's

00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:56.199
the and my mind just went blank it's a like a

00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:59.019
nature preserve area that reclaims water at a

00:42:59.019 --> 00:43:01.619
massive amount and it was kind of a test it's

00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:07.619
um over oh gosh to the to the east of us um i

00:43:07.619 --> 00:43:09.280
can't think of the name of the lake but it's

00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:12.889
a wetland area and it's a museum area Uh, no,

00:43:12.949 --> 00:43:15.530
no, it's more, it's, it's farther South into

00:43:15.530 --> 00:43:17.409
these. What's the lake that goes across over

00:43:17.409 --> 00:43:21.510
to maybe Roy Hubbard, that lake, but on the other

00:43:21.510 --> 00:43:24.150
side of it. So there's a wetland area and they

00:43:24.150 --> 00:43:26.170
were sharing the amount of water that's reclaimed

00:43:26.170 --> 00:43:28.969
through there naturally, which was a huge amount.

00:43:29.010 --> 00:43:30.710
And I can't tell you the number, so don't like,

00:43:30.750 --> 00:43:34.590
but, um, you know, it's just looking at that.

00:43:34.610 --> 00:43:36.750
It's the conservation efforts that we make. Um,

00:43:36.929 --> 00:43:41.719
you know, we, we have. that are online now. Bodark

00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:43.960
Lake is online. We're drinking water from there

00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:47.480
now. But, you know, I lived in California. I've

00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:48.820
talked about that, right? Where does California

00:43:48.820 --> 00:43:51.380
get water from? Their neighboring states. Is

00:43:51.380 --> 00:43:53.039
that something we have to look at? I don't know.

00:43:53.300 --> 00:43:57.679
I know. I don't know. They shut off the spigot

00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:00.079
from the north to south because it was saving

00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:03.800
a certain insect or worm. A little fish. A fish,

00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:05.659
that's what it was. In California. Well, they

00:44:05.659 --> 00:44:08.400
don't collect their snow melt either. It all

00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.179
rushes into the ocean. Yeah, but I understood

00:44:11.179 --> 00:44:14.139
that they directed it to the ocean, but they

00:44:14.139 --> 00:44:16.639
can redirect it back to where it originally came

00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:18.760
from. Yes, yes. I don't know that, but they do

00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:20.199
like to do things like that. Now, on the southeast

00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.599
side of Lebanon in the North Dallas Tollway,

00:44:23.699 --> 00:44:30.480
there is a large pool of water that was abandoned.

00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:35.800
The pit? The pit. I mean, what are we talking

00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.260
about here? I'm just saying. The mix. We're talking

00:44:38.260 --> 00:44:41.179
about the mix. Wade Park, whatever. That's the

00:44:41.179 --> 00:44:44.239
new man -made reservoir. They have a new developer

00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:45.960
that's moving forward. I saw that. So what is

00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.599
going on with that? It's back online. They're

00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:50.400
moving dirt. They're going to have retail shops

00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.119
in there. Are they going to have to fill that

00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:54.139
hole? Oh, you're talking about that bankruptcy,

00:44:54.500 --> 00:44:57.769
that large plot that had a... There it is right

00:44:57.769 --> 00:45:00.469
there. That lawsuit went on forever. It went

00:45:00.469 --> 00:45:03.690
on for a long time. They can't functionally use

00:45:03.690 --> 00:45:07.150
that. It's decayed to the point where it's structurally

00:45:07.150 --> 00:45:09.590
not sound anymore. Honestly, I cannot tell you

00:45:09.590 --> 00:45:11.150
that I know what they're doing with that. I don't

00:45:11.150 --> 00:45:14.449
know if they're going to make a water park. I

00:45:14.449 --> 00:45:17.829
don't know what they're doing. Maybe it's going

00:45:17.829 --> 00:45:19.030
to be an underground parking. Maybe they're going

00:45:19.030 --> 00:45:21.369
to fix it. It was supposed to be underground

00:45:21.369 --> 00:45:25.929
parking. Maybe they're going to retrofit it.

00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:28.139
I don't know, though. I don't know the answer

00:45:28.139 --> 00:45:30.059
to it. I'm sorry. No, that's all right. It could

00:45:30.059 --> 00:45:33.260
be a scuba park. It could be. What do you say?

00:45:33.380 --> 00:45:36.260
Hey, came here first. You heard it on Dudes Like

00:45:36.260 --> 00:45:39.440
Us first. Scuba park. Scuba park. We need a scuba

00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:42.099
park. Water ski thing? No, they'll put like a

00:45:42.099 --> 00:45:44.960
boat down there and a wrecked helicopter and

00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.719
a bunch of mermaid statues. You better clean

00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:49.340
up that water first because it's pretty gross

00:45:49.340 --> 00:45:52.960
water. The city will do that for us. You shared

00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:56.210
that you were born over in Europe. I was born

00:45:56.210 --> 00:45:59.170
in West Germany, yes. West Germany. And that

00:45:59.170 --> 00:46:01.730
must have been like what, like 25 years ago?

00:46:01.889 --> 00:46:04.070
Sure. 35 years ago? Well, it was West Germany.

00:46:04.150 --> 00:46:06.550
So I always say that that's a hint that I'm older

00:46:06.550 --> 00:46:10.050
than I look, maybe. So my dad was an intelligence

00:46:10.050 --> 00:46:12.090
analyst during the Cold War. He spoke about 12

00:46:12.090 --> 00:46:16.909
languages. So we lived a very interesting life.

00:46:17.010 --> 00:46:19.389
He never talked about work. He never shared anything

00:46:19.389 --> 00:46:25.940
about his work because it was all secret. I have

00:46:25.940 --> 00:46:28.860
no complaints. I have no complaints of my childhood.

00:46:28.980 --> 00:46:31.039
I had a great childhood. How long did you live

00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:33.820
over there? I was probably three and a half,

00:46:33.820 --> 00:46:35.559
four. My first plane ride was coming back to

00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:38.420
the States. And then most of his tours after

00:46:38.420 --> 00:46:41.500
we got back were not accompanied when he went

00:46:41.500 --> 00:46:44.780
over to Europe in areas that he went. We just

00:46:44.780 --> 00:46:49.699
weren't invited. So we lived, oh gosh, we lived

00:46:49.699 --> 00:46:53.159
in Indiana and Maryland and Texas a lot and Monterey.

00:46:53.539 --> 00:46:56.679
Oh, this all post. West Germany. What branch

00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:59.219
was that? Air Force. Air Force. Okay. Yeah. But

00:46:59.219 --> 00:47:01.059
that's fascinating because you lived there during

00:47:01.059 --> 00:47:03.679
a time when there was an East Germany. Yes. And

00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:06.320
there was a Berlin that had a wall going through

00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:09.139
it. So my dad's first tour was when they built

00:47:09.139 --> 00:47:13.239
the wall. Wow. Wow. That's fascinating. It is

00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:17.719
fascinating. So he said that, he told us this

00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:19.940
actually just a few years ago and he's no longer

00:47:19.940 --> 00:47:23.420
with us, but he said, you know. Your mom's job

00:47:23.420 --> 00:47:25.480
was to get the women to the airport because she

00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:29.280
had a German license. But the reality was they'd

00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:32.420
never make it. It was kind of sad. So you think

00:47:32.420 --> 00:47:35.820
about it. They were in their 20s. It was a different

00:47:35.820 --> 00:47:41.840
era and a different type of person. Because I

00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:45.440
used to say, Dad, you weren't Vietnam when I

00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:50.480
was young and foolish. But he told his wife.

00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:53.440
something to make her feel good sure because

00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:56.360
my mom was a very independent driven person she

00:47:56.360 --> 00:48:00.320
was a businesswoman um but he knew that it that

00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:03.300
it was not true and that was what they did to

00:48:03.300 --> 00:48:07.079
get through the day and and they were in a situation

00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:08.840
they were like you know the russian if soviets

00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:12.840
come across we're we're done or you know so it

00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.639
was just a different time in our country and

00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:18.159
you know that it i just thought it was so interesting

00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:21.570
he was in his 20s in his late 20s It's crazy.

00:48:21.710 --> 00:48:24.849
But being a military brat itself, and I can use

00:48:24.849 --> 00:48:26.590
that term because I was a military brat as well.

00:48:26.710 --> 00:48:30.530
Yep. I think military brats are a different breed

00:48:30.530 --> 00:48:32.889
of folks because when you move around a lot,

00:48:33.030 --> 00:48:39.750
you're forced to learn how to meet people. Because

00:48:39.750 --> 00:48:43.210
I'm an introvert, but I'm a very extroverted

00:48:43.210 --> 00:48:46.019
introvert. I don't know how that works. Maybe

00:48:46.019 --> 00:48:47.880
it's something alcohol has to do with it. I don't

00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:51.079
know exactly. But I am an introvert. I get extremely

00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:53.380
shy. Maybe that's just normal human characteristic.

00:48:53.659 --> 00:48:57.099
But my point is that you're perfect for the job

00:48:57.099 --> 00:48:59.239
that you're running for. Because being a military

00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:03.679
brat, it's part of you now. Military brat kind

00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:05.420
of groomed you into this position a little bit.

00:49:05.500 --> 00:49:07.980
On top of, of course, your experiences. So you're

00:49:07.980 --> 00:49:09.800
always the new kid, right? You're always trying

00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:11.690
to figure things out. You're always looking at

00:49:11.690 --> 00:49:13.409
things differently because your experiences are

00:49:13.409 --> 00:49:15.309
different than everybody around you. When my

00:49:15.309 --> 00:49:18.769
dad retired, he had told my mom, you gave me

00:49:18.769 --> 00:49:20.530
20 years. I'm going to give you 20 years with

00:49:20.530 --> 00:49:22.809
your family. So he moved to the Northwest. That's

00:49:22.809 --> 00:49:25.969
how we ended up there. And I was surrounded by

00:49:25.969 --> 00:49:28.010
people who had never lived outside of the city

00:49:28.010 --> 00:49:30.349
they lived in. Right. Wow. It was like being

00:49:30.349 --> 00:49:34.110
surrounded by aliens. Truly. And I was this weird

00:49:34.110 --> 00:49:35.510
kid with a funny accent because I was moving

00:49:35.510 --> 00:49:40.610
from San Angelo, Texas. You just learn to adapt,

00:49:40.769 --> 00:49:43.690
I think. And we were, of course, because of what

00:49:43.690 --> 00:49:46.550
my dad did, he was a very critical thinker. And

00:49:46.550 --> 00:49:48.489
he taught us to be very critical thinkers. We

00:49:48.489 --> 00:49:50.449
don't look at things black and white. We always

00:49:50.449 --> 00:49:52.349
are trying to solve. Like I said, I'm a problem

00:49:52.349 --> 00:49:54.130
solver. We're always trying to solve the problem.

00:49:54.250 --> 00:49:56.969
Think of it like that can't be the only solution.

00:49:57.070 --> 00:49:58.469
There might be another solution. We just haven't

00:49:58.469 --> 00:50:00.630
thought of it yet. And part of his job was to

00:50:00.630 --> 00:50:03.769
sit in rooms with other people to analyze what

00:50:03.769 --> 00:50:05.630
could be the next bad thing that happens to our

00:50:05.630 --> 00:50:08.869
country. you know that's something he just tried

00:50:08.869 --> 00:50:12.510
to pass on to us without giving away secrets

00:50:12.510 --> 00:50:14.969
but he would he would always ask those questions

00:50:14.969 --> 00:50:18.469
always kind of poke at us so um yeah i mean i

00:50:18.469 --> 00:50:20.610
think that it does it prepares you differently

00:50:20.610 --> 00:50:24.389
yeah you're and i think that mindset different

00:50:24.389 --> 00:50:28.349
mindset and i think that it serves you very well

00:50:28.349 --> 00:50:31.090
if you adapt to it and you and you capitalize

00:50:31.090 --> 00:50:35.210
on it Even being in the United States, some of

00:50:35.210 --> 00:50:38.530
these areas that military brats move to, it's

00:50:38.530 --> 00:50:41.590
a different culture even. I'll give you an example.

00:50:41.730 --> 00:50:44.190
Living in El Paso is a different culture. Living

00:50:44.190 --> 00:50:46.329
in the Northwest is a different culture, especially

00:50:46.329 --> 00:50:48.110
with folks that haven't even left. It's a completely

00:50:48.110 --> 00:50:51.409
different culture. It was very weird. It makes

00:50:51.409 --> 00:50:54.369
you extremely diverse. It does. And you appreciate

00:50:54.369 --> 00:50:56.750
it. I think you appreciate the diversity because

00:50:56.750 --> 00:50:59.760
you... I mean, I have friends from all... from

00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:01.719
all nationalities and all walks of life sometimes

00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:04.139
when we lived in maryland all of our friends

00:51:04.139 --> 00:51:06.579
were military because we lived on on base housing

00:51:06.579 --> 00:51:09.760
and i don't think that any of my friends were

00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.059
not from base housing and i was quite young but

00:51:12.059 --> 00:51:16.000
we all i mean we just all all of our parents

00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:17.820
were kind of doing the same job right and we

00:51:17.820 --> 00:51:19.260
actually it was kind of funny because we were

00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:21.679
all supposed to be deploying to crete a lot of

00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:23.639
us were going to the same duty assignment Nice.

00:51:23.780 --> 00:51:26.460
And we all looked. Matter of fact, when one would

00:51:26.460 --> 00:51:28.360
move, we'd say, oh, I'll see you in like three

00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:32.219
months. I'll be there. Right. So my dad and my

00:51:32.219 --> 00:51:33.599
mom, I'll never forget it. We all got our shots.

00:51:33.900 --> 00:51:36.840
We all got packed up. We went to visit family

00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:38.260
and say goodbye. We'll see you in three years.

00:51:38.699 --> 00:51:41.619
And we got to San Angelo. The Air Force changed

00:51:41.619 --> 00:51:44.079
his orders and all of our things were on a boat.

00:51:44.510 --> 00:51:47.150
Going to Crete. Oh, and you stayed in San Angelo.

00:51:47.269 --> 00:51:48.750
We stayed in San Angelo. And you were like, turn

00:51:48.750 --> 00:51:51.730
it around. Crete or San Angelo? I got to tell

00:51:51.730 --> 00:51:54.070
you, about six months ago. A little bit of disappointment

00:51:54.070 --> 00:51:56.889
there. I was in San Angelo about six months ago.

00:51:57.090 --> 00:52:00.130
Were you? And I saw the old Air Force Base. Yeah,

00:52:00.130 --> 00:52:01.829
good fellow. The remnants of it. You know, just

00:52:01.829 --> 00:52:08.010
old housing that they had. Right. They didn't

00:52:08.010 --> 00:52:10.050
make any reinvestment decisions. No, they did

00:52:10.050 --> 00:52:12.989
not. Actually, the materials that they used was

00:52:12.989 --> 00:52:16.429
like old school shiplap. I mean, just stuff that's

00:52:16.429 --> 00:52:19.409
super resilient. It was amazing to see. I love

00:52:19.409 --> 00:52:21.429
seeing stuff like that. It's really cool. When

00:52:21.429 --> 00:52:23.789
all of our stuff was in Crete, so talking about

00:52:23.789 --> 00:52:26.750
resilience, so my mom had like four suitcases

00:52:26.750 --> 00:52:29.110
and a family of four children, and we needed

00:52:29.110 --> 00:52:31.909
to get to school. She had nothing, no furniture.

00:52:32.250 --> 00:52:35.619
I mean, she just had the suitcases. I don't remember

00:52:35.619 --> 00:52:38.400
hardship at all that year. What I remember of

00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:40.480
that year is that we lived in the country. We

00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:43.679
had chickens. We lived in this really cool house.

00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:47.579
You adapted. We adapted. It was a great adventure.

00:52:47.820 --> 00:52:50.659
We lived in very best Texas. It's the smallest

00:52:50.659 --> 00:52:54.139
town. Try and find it, Chuck. You'll not find

00:52:54.139 --> 00:52:55.920
it. What's it called? Very best. Very best. V

00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:59.000
-E -R -I -B -E -S -T. I always joke that the

00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:01.360
town was literally the school that was grades

00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:03.710
one through or K through eight. The school bus

00:53:03.710 --> 00:53:05.329
driver lived next door and there was a John Deere

00:53:05.329 --> 00:53:07.710
tractor barn across the street. That was it.

00:53:07.750 --> 00:53:10.070
And that's it. Wow. It does look like there's

00:53:10.070 --> 00:53:13.409
much there now. Yeah. We've talked. Oh, it's

00:53:13.409 --> 00:53:15.230
got a football field. That's crazy. Look, they

00:53:15.230 --> 00:53:18.389
built a field. That school is like twice as big

00:53:18.389 --> 00:53:21.789
as it was. We've talked about on this podcast

00:53:21.789 --> 00:53:24.429
how our parents were just a different breed,

00:53:24.570 --> 00:53:27.750
a different generation. So much respect for what

00:53:27.750 --> 00:53:31.150
they dealt with and how they dealt with it. No

00:53:31.150 --> 00:53:34.489
complaining. Blah, blah, blah. Just moved on.

00:53:34.650 --> 00:53:36.630
And I guess that's what they taught us, right?

00:53:36.730 --> 00:53:40.309
So I always say, we moved to Frisco. This is

00:53:40.309 --> 00:53:42.309
the, like I said, we put roots down here, right?

00:53:42.409 --> 00:53:43.849
It's the longest place I've ever lived anywhere.

00:53:44.510 --> 00:53:47.030
And I love this city. It's a great place to be.

00:53:47.110 --> 00:53:50.130
I am so thankful. You know, with our son, I cannot

00:53:50.130 --> 00:53:51.929
believe how fortunate we were that he was in

00:53:51.929 --> 00:53:53.829
Frisco ISD and the special ed program that we

00:53:53.829 --> 00:53:56.869
have there, our special needs program. I never

00:53:56.869 --> 00:53:58.510
thought he would have graduated when he was at

00:53:58.510 --> 00:54:00.789
Western. When they gave him honors scores at

00:54:00.789 --> 00:54:03.420
Frisco High, I was like, I think you made a mistake.

00:54:06.099 --> 00:54:09.079
And they were like, no, your son's really smart.

00:54:09.139 --> 00:54:12.920
He's done great. You know, but that's a testament

00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:14.579
to the school district, right? They did a great

00:54:14.579 --> 00:54:17.179
job and we're very fortunate. So I'm kind of

00:54:17.179 --> 00:54:18.840
passionate. My sister says I'm the biggest cheerleader

00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:21.460
of the city I live in, but I just think it's

00:54:21.460 --> 00:54:22.820
a great city. I think it's something that we

00:54:22.820 --> 00:54:25.119
need to preserve and protect. We have to respect

00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:27.900
the past. It didn't come here by accident. It

00:54:27.900 --> 00:54:30.199
was strategically planned. So we're very fortunate.

00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:31.940
So I thought of another question while you were

00:54:31.940 --> 00:54:33.619
talking about your upbringing and you guys were

00:54:33.619 --> 00:54:35.619
talking about military brats and it prepares

00:54:35.619 --> 00:54:38.960
you, right? So what you're doing now, what you're

00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.519
embarking on now, you've never done before. So

00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:44.840
what have you gone to? Who have you leaned on?

00:54:44.980 --> 00:54:49.039
How are you preparing for this? So it's not something

00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:51.599
I did overnight. You're like, I'm going to run

00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:53.800
for city council and I'm ready. So for the years

00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:57.159
leading up to this, What I've done previously

00:54:57.159 --> 00:54:59.699
is just what was modeled to me. My parents always

00:54:59.699 --> 00:55:02.900
engaged. We always had people at it. I can't

00:55:02.900 --> 00:55:04.460
tell you a holiday we didn't have a house full

00:55:04.460 --> 00:55:06.860
of servicemen and women, right? Okay, nice. Always

00:55:06.860 --> 00:55:09.960
giving back, always being involved. So that's

00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:13.159
how I live my life. From when I was a JC back

00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:14.920
in the California days, which is Junior Chamber

00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:16.480
of Commerce, they're not really around anymore,

00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:19.280
not as prevalent as they were, but it's a leadership

00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:22.699
development and philanthropic group. We did a

00:55:22.699 --> 00:55:27.559
lot of volunteering. Here in Frisco, I was on

00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:31.940
PTA, here again, stream. I started volunteering

00:55:31.940 --> 00:55:33.659
as soon as I possibly could, whether it was with

00:55:33.659 --> 00:55:35.980
our church or with the city, with Women's League,

00:55:36.099 --> 00:55:38.119
with Rotary, with, you know, the list goes on

00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.940
and on, right? But part of it is also, you know,

00:55:40.940 --> 00:55:43.340
from Leadership Frisco, being involved with the

00:55:43.340 --> 00:55:45.099
chamber because I'm a small business owner. But

00:55:45.099 --> 00:55:48.199
don't downplay it. I got a list here. Because

00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:50.039
I'm not going to go down over the list. But what

00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:51.639
I'm going to say is that you're talking board

00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:53.619
of directors, board of directors, vice president,

00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:56.440
past president. I mean, look, you weren't just

00:55:56.440 --> 00:55:59.039
a member. I mean, you went right for the top.

00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:01.900
So that's kudos. And that kind of sets the tone.

00:56:02.139 --> 00:56:06.639
So I think it's kind of funny that it's not funny.

00:56:06.739 --> 00:56:09.500
I have a really hard time just sitting back.

00:56:10.059 --> 00:56:13.619
I've always been, I always kind of take the lead.

00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:17.130
Or people say, Ann, you can. And I just don't

00:56:17.130 --> 00:56:20.050
say no, but leaders lead. I think it's in our

00:56:20.050 --> 00:56:23.510
genes. I'm self -employed. My brother's self

00:56:23.510 --> 00:56:26.949
-employed. He's very driven, the same. Anyway,

00:56:27.050 --> 00:56:30.489
yeah, you're right. I'm a vice president. I'm

00:56:30.489 --> 00:56:33.190
past president. I'm chair of the board. I'm secretary

00:56:33.190 --> 00:56:35.250
of the board, whatever. I get involved. I get

00:56:35.250 --> 00:56:39.070
in leadership positions. But I love it. I can't

00:56:39.070 --> 00:56:42.010
imagine not doing those things. So somebody commented

00:56:42.010 --> 00:56:43.230
recently. They said, you're running for city

00:56:43.230 --> 00:56:45.079
council. And it seems like you're just doing

00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:46.840
all the things you regularly do. You just have

00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:49.699
added a layer of, you know, you're still involved.

00:56:50.059 --> 00:56:51.840
You're still going to see people. You're still,

00:56:51.860 --> 00:56:55.900
today I was at the CT center talking to the gay

00:56:55.900 --> 00:56:59.079
kids about insurance. And the city council is

00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:01.619
another business to run, right? I mean, you run

00:57:01.619 --> 00:57:03.119
it like a business. You should run it like a

00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:05.619
business, in my opinion. Yeah, well, I mean,

00:57:05.619 --> 00:57:07.219
it's like the board of directors for the city

00:57:07.219 --> 00:57:09.239
if you want to. Take it in corporate terms. And

00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:12.599
that seems to be a response. As I mentioned before

00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:15.619
the podcast, we did an AI, a why should I not

00:57:15.619 --> 00:57:18.320
vote for Ann Anderson? And one of the things

00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:21.559
was just your lack of experience. And I think

00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:25.019
that the list that we just mentioned kind of

00:57:25.019 --> 00:57:29.179
defeats that whole thought process. Yeah. I think

00:57:29.179 --> 00:57:31.579
that just kind of squashes it. Well, lack of

00:57:31.579 --> 00:57:34.000
experience. Who really has experience in politics

00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:35.940
for the first time? That's right. That's true.

00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:40.260
But that seems to be what your opponent, based

00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:42.539
on what I was reading, was one of the things.

00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:44.760
But does he have any experience either? Or I

00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:46.780
should say he, but does the person you're running

00:57:46.780 --> 00:57:49.539
against have any experience? I mean, his experience

00:57:49.539 --> 00:57:54.500
is all in one area. That was what he did. So

00:57:54.500 --> 00:57:57.119
his experience is there, and it was as a city

00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:59.880
department. So he has experience there, but I

00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:03.099
guess you could also say, In all respect to what

00:58:03.099 --> 00:58:05.400
he did. But you could say, well, my corporate

00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:08.219
experience is very similar. You know, what I've

00:58:08.219 --> 00:58:10.239
done as a business owner. And it's more diverse,

00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:13.320
frankly. I mean, his rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat.

00:58:13.579 --> 00:58:16.719
Yours is, I'm thrown into this and I mastered

00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:19.099
it. I've thrown it to, I mean, the list goes

00:58:19.099 --> 00:58:21.420
on. You've been given plenty of challenges. I

00:58:21.420 --> 00:58:23.980
think the right person in the city council is

00:58:23.980 --> 00:58:28.150
somebody who has new ideas. New ideas. If you

00:58:28.150 --> 00:58:30.650
don't have new ideas, a new way to approach things,

00:58:30.769 --> 00:58:34.789
a solution to a problem, being able to identify

00:58:34.789 --> 00:58:37.730
problems, I mean, these are all part of, and

00:58:37.730 --> 00:58:39.829
you have to be in a situation where you've been

00:58:39.829 --> 00:58:41.989
exposed to lots of different things, lots of

00:58:41.989 --> 00:58:45.130
different problems, and you're able to kind of

00:58:45.130 --> 00:58:47.510
kick around with a team showing leadership how

00:58:47.510 --> 00:58:51.409
to solve those problems. So, I mean, that's kind

00:58:51.409 --> 00:58:53.969
of where you've been. Sort of my life story right

00:58:53.969 --> 00:58:56.440
there. Right? I mean, no, I'm not. I mean, it

00:58:56.440 --> 00:58:58.420
really is. I don't want to downplay it. I shouldn't

00:58:58.420 --> 00:59:01.139
downplay it. I think I'm very humble naturally.

00:59:01.340 --> 00:59:04.739
So sometimes all this like self edification is

00:59:04.739 --> 00:59:08.760
challenging for me. But I have had a lot of like

00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:10.300
corporately I've had challenges. There's been

00:59:10.300 --> 00:59:12.260
time, you know, when we opened the title company

00:59:12.260 --> 00:59:15.980
here for a time, I was the only, you know, the

00:59:15.980 --> 00:59:18.860
EVP was female, but I was the only female vice

00:59:18.860 --> 00:59:21.119
president. Right. So certainly butting heads

00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:23.300
against people. was something that I had to get

00:59:23.300 --> 00:59:26.019
used to. And I had to stand up and speak up for

00:59:26.019 --> 00:59:29.340
my departments, right? When we decided to offshore

00:59:29.340 --> 00:59:32.059
some of our team and some of the function that

00:59:32.059 --> 00:59:35.699
we did, it was my departments that I had to lead

00:59:35.699 --> 00:59:38.860
that. And I had to send people to a foreign country.

00:59:38.980 --> 00:59:40.440
And they came back and said, never do that to

00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:43.679
me again. They're like, never ask us to do that

00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:47.059
again. But, you know, it's the diversity. I think

00:59:47.059 --> 00:59:49.679
it's the experiences of my life that made me

00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:52.960
the... the perfect person at that time to have

00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:54.920
that relationship with our offshore partners

00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:58.199
and have it successfully. And we didn't have

00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:00.340
to let anybody go. There was some natural attrition

01:00:00.340 --> 01:00:01.800
in the company. I just didn't replace staff.

01:00:01.980 --> 01:00:04.480
But you can do things differently, right? Right.

01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:06.300
When people hear offshore, they think, oh, I'm

01:00:06.300 --> 01:00:07.519
going to lose my job. What's going to happen

01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:11.739
next? But, you know, you can, we can. laterally

01:00:11.739 --> 01:00:13.380
move somebody to another department that they

01:00:13.380 --> 01:00:15.199
maybe have been looking at or if somebody leaves,

01:00:15.260 --> 01:00:16.840
we just don't replace a position. There's so

01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:18.420
many things you can do if you can be creative

01:00:18.420 --> 01:00:21.960
and think differently. And we did that when we

01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:24.360
had that offshore experience. It's tough when

01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:26.519
you get the bean counters that are pulling the

01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:28.820
strings. I've had to go through that. I had to

01:00:28.820 --> 01:00:32.800
offshore my team. But unfortunately, we didn't

01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:35.480
replace. I wasn't able to move. I just had to

01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:37.300
let everyone go. That's hard. Unfortunately.

01:00:37.460 --> 01:00:39.940
So I was at a big corporation though. And yours

01:00:39.940 --> 01:00:43.760
was? And your experience was horrific because

01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:49.059
his took four years, from what I understood,

01:00:49.179 --> 01:00:53.440
four years of this torture. You know, well, we're

01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:54.900
letting this team go. We're letting this team

01:00:54.900 --> 01:00:57.699
go. And Jeff's kind of like, oh, my God. Yeah,

01:00:57.780 --> 01:01:01.460
I'm next. I'm next. I'm next. It was difficult.

01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:06.579
it's hard i think the worst day of that job and

01:01:06.579 --> 01:01:09.800
was when we did eventually well it was we were

01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:11.960
a title company right national talk company 0708

01:01:11.960 --> 01:01:16.079
everything fell apart um we had to let pretty

01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:18.260
much everybody go and then we had to unwind the

01:01:18.260 --> 01:01:21.539
business and that was the that was the plan but

01:01:21.539 --> 01:01:23.780
we reworked the business and we're actually able

01:01:23.780 --> 01:01:25.619
to hire some people back we did we just changed

01:01:25.619 --> 01:01:29.380
what we were doing but walking into an office

01:01:29.380 --> 01:01:33.219
that had been full of 100 plus people. And I

01:01:33.219 --> 01:01:35.659
had 80 that reported to me and multiple departments.

01:01:35.820 --> 01:01:38.619
And then I walked through all the big building

01:01:38.619 --> 01:01:40.539
to get to my office. It was probably the most

01:01:40.539 --> 01:01:42.880
depressing day of my life. I can imagine. Horrible.

01:01:43.300 --> 01:01:46.460
Horrible. So I've got an odd question. Well,

01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:48.500
it's not odd coming from me, but it's just odd

01:01:48.500 --> 01:01:54.900
in general. It's Christmas season. So what do

01:01:54.900 --> 01:01:58.500
you gravitate every single year? There's got

01:01:58.500 --> 01:02:02.449
to be a specific... that you watch that just

01:02:02.449 --> 01:02:05.829
brings in the charm. Die Hard. Die Hard is not

01:02:05.829 --> 01:02:10.130
a Christmas movie. You already spoiled it. You

01:02:10.130 --> 01:02:12.369
know she was going to say Die Hard. Now I've

01:02:12.369 --> 01:02:15.469
got to pick another movie. Oh, great. Told you.

01:02:17.050 --> 01:02:24.269
Okay, so we have, we always watch A Christmas

01:02:24.269 --> 01:02:26.809
Story. We always watch The Vacation, the vacation

01:02:26.809 --> 01:02:29.730
movie, Christmas Vacation. To me, that's my go

01:02:29.730 --> 01:02:32.309
-to, the National Lampoons of Christmas. Keep

01:02:32.309 --> 01:02:34.050
going, sorry. I've already watched it twice this

01:02:34.050 --> 01:02:36.690
year. I know, so good. So good. White Christmas,

01:02:36.710 --> 01:02:39.369
and that's an old movie. That's an old one. Bing

01:02:39.369 --> 01:02:41.250
Crosby? Yep, one of my favorite Christmas movies.

01:02:41.250 --> 01:02:44.289
Rosemary Clooney? Yep. I saw that there was a

01:02:44.289 --> 01:02:47.650
new Christmas story movie, like The Kid is Now

01:02:47.650 --> 01:02:49.809
the Dad. Yes, that came out a couple years ago.

01:02:49.809 --> 01:02:51.909
Yeah, I didn't know that. And it was on the other

01:02:51.909 --> 01:02:53.590
day, and I was like, this is weird. That's The

01:02:53.590 --> 01:02:57.269
Kid. I never saw it. Okay. We didn't watch the

01:02:57.269 --> 01:02:58.690
whole thing, but I mean, it was just kind of

01:02:58.690 --> 01:03:02.969
weird. It was weird. And then I will tell you

01:03:02.969 --> 01:03:06.530
that when we're really busy, we will have Hallmark

01:03:06.530 --> 01:03:08.570
playing in the background of our show. Yes, yes,

01:03:08.630 --> 01:03:13.429
yes. Painful. It's the most relaxing. You know

01:03:13.429 --> 01:03:15.550
what's going to happen. And so if we're stressed

01:03:15.550 --> 01:03:18.130
and we're having a baking frenzy, wrapping gifts,

01:03:18.210 --> 01:03:20.389
whatever, we can just have that playing. Did

01:03:20.389 --> 01:03:22.889
you say the Hallmark channel? Oh, yeah. Julie

01:03:22.889 --> 01:03:24.849
pulls up the calendar. She goes to 30 Days of

01:03:24.849 --> 01:03:28.679
Christmas. I have the app on my phone. So painful.

01:03:28.699 --> 01:03:31.139
We watch a lot of them, and it's basically the

01:03:31.139 --> 01:03:34.079
same movie, different people playing the parts.

01:03:34.380 --> 01:03:39.179
They've mastered it. 725 this morning. I get

01:03:39.179 --> 01:03:42.659
up. I'm downstairs already, but I turn on the

01:03:42.659 --> 01:03:46.059
TV, and I go to YouTube, and I got very specific

01:03:46.059 --> 01:03:50.179
channels that I go to for my morning stuff. And

01:03:50.179 --> 01:03:54.280
for the last week, every morning, it's Christmas

01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:57.019
stuff. So I play the channel that does nonstop

01:03:57.019 --> 01:03:59.119
Christmas stuff on YouTube. Oh, wow. And I play

01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:02.099
it. Like music? My wife, yes. Yeah, it's kind

01:04:02.099 --> 01:04:04.579
of like, it's not necessarily, it's just live.

01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:07.480
So it never stops. And, you know, my wife Tara

01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:09.400
comes downstairs. She's like, really? Is that

01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:11.840
loud? People are sleeping right now. I'm just

01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:13.300
like, I didn't realize I was that loud. Oh, she's

01:04:13.300 --> 01:04:15.119
all grouchy about Christmas music? She's not

01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:17.079
grouchy. It's just early in the morning. Just

01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:19.940
a little bit. Turn that Christmas music up. I'm

01:04:19.940 --> 01:04:22.380
a little bit, you know, I can't hear. I need

01:04:22.380 --> 01:04:24.340
to ease into the morning too, I'll just say.

01:04:24.500 --> 01:04:28.340
But I love it. I so love it. It really, it cheers

01:04:28.340 --> 01:04:30.400
me up. Oh yeah, I played Christmas music on my

01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:33.500
high school run and we all bop and sing. The

01:04:33.500 --> 01:04:36.139
ones who could sing definitely do it and 12 Days

01:04:36.139 --> 01:04:39.300
of Christmas and all that stuff. All right, well,

01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:41.280
look, we've only got a couple minutes left. So

01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:43.619
what I want to do is I'm going to take a selfie

01:04:43.619 --> 01:04:47.239
of us, but I'll do that when we're over. Do you

01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:48.019
have any questions you want to ask? Don't you

01:04:48.019 --> 01:04:50.840
want in the act with the headphones on? We can

01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:54.010
fake it. Oh, we can stage it. Well, do we want

01:04:54.010 --> 01:04:57.610
to allow Ann the opportunity to ask us any questions?

01:04:57.929 --> 01:05:01.309
Or appeal to your... Yeah, just talk to the folks

01:05:01.309 --> 01:05:03.510
out there, the millions of people. You're wanting

01:05:03.510 --> 01:05:05.329
to be a politician. This is your stage. This

01:05:05.329 --> 01:05:09.349
is my stage? Wow us. Wow us. Give us your pitch.

01:05:09.510 --> 01:05:11.909
My pitch? Just go out and vote. I will tell you

01:05:11.909 --> 01:05:14.309
what. Frisco, we always have low voter turnout.

01:05:14.329 --> 01:05:18.269
It makes me sad. So young people, 19, 20 -year

01:05:18.269 --> 01:05:19.849
-olds that complain about politics all the time

01:05:19.849 --> 01:05:23.050
and the state of everything. or anything, go

01:05:23.050 --> 01:05:27.530
out and vote. Make a choice. When we were young,

01:05:27.750 --> 01:05:30.050
we had civics class. What do you mean we're not

01:05:30.050 --> 01:05:31.630
young? I know, I'm sorry. What are you saying?

01:05:32.750 --> 01:05:35.429
You need to look in the mirror. West Germany.

01:05:36.510 --> 01:05:44.309
But I have these conversations. I talk to young

01:05:44.309 --> 01:05:46.789
people a lot, I guess. And they get frustrated

01:05:46.789 --> 01:05:49.329
with... what is happening and then they say well

01:05:49.329 --> 01:05:51.050
we support a candidate and they don't win and

01:05:51.050 --> 01:05:53.110
we get sad we don't want to vote again but that's

01:05:53.110 --> 01:05:55.309
part of the process wow it's a one -shot deal

01:05:55.309 --> 01:05:57.829
i mean you got to keep going at it because you

01:05:57.829 --> 01:05:59.329
know what that's how we make change that's what

01:05:59.329 --> 01:06:02.429
makes things better and and we don't want uh

01:06:02.429 --> 01:06:05.829
we want to make sure that we groom our place

01:06:05.829 --> 01:06:11.239
where we live to the things that we like And

01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:13.300
that's driven by voting. I had to be very careful.

01:06:13.460 --> 01:06:15.800
Yeah, well, that's driven by voting, 100 % by

01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:18.920
voting. I told my kids, I was like, you don't

01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:21.159
get to complain if you don't vote. That's correct.

01:06:21.460 --> 01:06:23.639
That is correct. But that made me think of a

01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:25.619
question real quick. So social media, are your

01:06:25.619 --> 01:06:30.119
daughters, your daughter, well, she's 27, so

01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:32.690
she... Yeah. But are they jumping in and helping

01:06:32.690 --> 01:06:35.449
you with social media or do you have a team that's

01:06:35.449 --> 01:06:36.949
doing social media? I have a team that's helping.

01:06:37.210 --> 01:06:40.010
Okay. Kareem has a job that doesn't allow her

01:06:40.010 --> 01:06:42.289
to get real overly involved with a campaign because

01:06:42.289 --> 01:06:45.590
there could be conflict. So she stays a little

01:06:45.590 --> 01:06:50.309
bit back and she's respectful and we don't have

01:06:50.309 --> 01:06:52.469
a problem with that. That's on Facebook. Vote

01:06:52.469 --> 01:06:55.429
and for Frisco. That's a fancy website. Well,

01:06:55.449 --> 01:06:57.250
it's a good website. I have a nice web designer.

01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:00.280
Very nice. Are you the web designer? No, as a

01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:04.519
friend. Are you tooting your own horn here? Lord,

01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:07.179
no. I could never do that. No, I have a wonderful

01:07:07.179 --> 01:07:09.659
friend who owns a company. Can I give her a plug?

01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:13.199
Of course. True Moxie Consulting. And she is

01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:16.099
fantastic. And I've worked on campaigns where

01:07:16.099 --> 01:07:18.179
people say, I need to make a change on my website.

01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:20.739
And it takes a week. I call her up and Meredith's

01:07:20.739 --> 01:07:25.000
on it. She makes a change within that same day.

01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:27.840
Do they have the ability to take a podcast to

01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:30.360
number one in the country? Do they have that

01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:32.159
kind of skill? She could probably tell you how

01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:36.280
to do that. We need help. She's amazing. We're

01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:39.880
only number three right now. Only three. Did

01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:44.699
we want to chat about the whiskey at all? We'll

01:07:44.699 --> 01:07:46.800
hit it the next time. You got a couple minutes?

01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:51.780
I stressed this out. Are you a bourbon drinker?

01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:53.860
You're not really? Not generally. You know what

01:07:53.860 --> 01:07:57.719
I really like is at Craftway Kitchen over on

01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:00.300
Lebanon and Legacy. They have that, I think it's

01:08:00.300 --> 01:08:04.380
a frozen old -fashioned. Yes, frozen old -fashioned.

01:08:04.420 --> 01:08:06.079
That's what it is. I don't go there that often.

01:08:06.179 --> 01:08:08.699
I probably not often enough, but it's extremely

01:08:08.699 --> 01:08:10.380
good. Great on a hot summer day. It's like a

01:08:10.380 --> 01:08:13.030
slushy. It's really good. When you're burned

01:08:13.030 --> 01:08:15.329
out, you're kicking your feet up, I'm going to

01:08:15.329 --> 01:08:17.289
have just one little beverage. What's your go

01:08:17.289 --> 01:08:19.829
-to? It's usually going to be a glass of wine,

01:08:19.850 --> 01:08:23.369
to be honest. Red, white, or pink? It's a red.

01:08:23.829 --> 01:08:27.289
It's a pretty dry red. As I've gotten older,

01:08:27.489 --> 01:08:30.529
I've decided that the calories need to be worth

01:08:30.529 --> 01:08:34.529
it. My taste in wine is the price points of my

01:08:34.529 --> 01:08:36.050
bottles are a little more than they used to be.

01:08:36.829 --> 01:08:40.829
It's important, too. I'm the only wine drinker

01:08:40.829 --> 01:08:43.760
in my house. Thor bought me this. It's kind of

01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:46.600
what they use at wineries where it kind of puts

01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:49.079
up. Oh, the nitrogen they're on? Yes. The aerator?

01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:52.100
The argon. Yes. So you can pour, and it lasts

01:08:52.100 --> 01:08:54.699
for like six months. Ah. I did one of those.

01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:57.260
Yeah. So it's pretty great. It doesn't last very

01:08:57.260 --> 01:08:59.159
long in my house. You probably wouldn't need

01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:01.279
it, maybe. Is that what you're saying? No. I

01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:03.420
love wine. So if the bottle's open, I just drink

01:09:03.420 --> 01:09:05.420
it. There you go. There you go. That's the best

01:09:05.420 --> 01:09:07.800
strategy. God bless. But we didn't finish your

01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:09.180
pitch. Did you finish your pitch? I guess you

01:09:09.180 --> 01:09:11.539
did. I think so. Just get out and vote. It's

01:09:11.539 --> 01:09:13.180
the hardest thing in Frisco is to get voters

01:09:13.180 --> 01:09:15.340
out to vote. So I just encourage people to get

01:09:15.340 --> 01:09:16.819
out and vote. People always, I think they bank

01:09:16.819 --> 01:09:20.500
on it. Yeah, I think people bank on people not

01:09:20.500 --> 01:09:24.020
voting. Right. And it's sad. Yeah. Then you can

01:09:24.020 --> 01:09:26.279
control the narrative, right? Right. And people

01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:28.560
say the voters decided, well, the 10 ,000 people

01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:30.739
that showed up decided, but, you know, that's

01:09:30.739 --> 01:09:31.899
not all voters. People can't be frustrated when

01:09:31.899 --> 01:09:34.399
they vote and their person that they want to

01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:37.779
win doesn't win. I mean, it's... you just do

01:09:37.779 --> 01:09:39.880
it anyways, because it's what you, it's what

01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:43.319
you do. Yeah. It's part of your, it's your civic

01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:46.439
duty. Yeah. It is your civic duty. So we take,

01:09:46.500 --> 01:09:49.020
we vote as a family. Usually we go together and

01:09:49.020 --> 01:09:51.739
we'll take a selfie. So my kids know we've got

01:09:51.739 --> 01:09:54.479
to work around Thor wants to vote at seven at

01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:57.159
when they open on the first day of voting. So

01:09:57.159 --> 01:10:00.840
he has no surprise, right? But the rest of us

01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:02.880
coordinate with mom's schedule and we'll go and

01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:04.859
take a picture. I say one more time. When is

01:10:04.859 --> 01:10:06.520
the vote? When does the voting happen? Early

01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:09.439
voting starts January 14th. If you're in Collin

01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:11.460
County, you can vote anywhere. Even on election

01:10:11.460 --> 01:10:13.600
day, you can vote in any of the voting locations.

01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:15.840
In Denton County, it's a little different. You

01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:18.060
can vote at any of the polling locations during

01:10:18.060 --> 01:10:20.800
early voting only. But on election day, you have

01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:24.449
to go to your precinct location. So you have

01:10:24.449 --> 01:10:26.789
to look that up on the website. But election

01:10:26.789 --> 01:10:27.869
day is Thursday, Thursday. Fire station number

01:10:27.869 --> 01:10:30.670
eight, number five. Also, lots of options. Also,

01:10:30.789 --> 01:10:33.750
we have gotten away from electronic. It is now...

01:10:33.750 --> 01:10:35.750
Filling in the bubbles. Filling in the bubbles

01:10:35.750 --> 01:10:38.489
again. Oh, scantron. Hanging chads. I don't want

01:10:38.489 --> 01:10:39.729
to go through that again. There's no chads. No

01:10:39.729 --> 01:10:42.710
chads. No chads allowed. Scantrons. One sort

01:10:42.710 --> 01:10:45.670
of bubbled and one sort of bubbled. I don't know.

01:10:45.710 --> 01:10:48.029
The whole thing is kind of... That's a whole

01:10:48.029 --> 01:10:50.109
different topic. It really is. We won't touch

01:10:50.109 --> 01:10:53.520
on that. It's crazy because... it's difficult

01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:55.619
because you have to trust. And then when you

01:10:55.619 --> 01:10:59.520
find that there's some questionable things going

01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:02.079
on, you're kind of like, it's difficult, but

01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:04.479
you still got to do it. Yeah, you still got to

01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:06.020
vote. You know what? You can hold your elected

01:11:06.020 --> 01:11:08.020
officials accountable. You can show up to city

01:11:08.020 --> 01:11:11.779
council. There's citizen input every time. They

01:11:11.779 --> 01:11:13.800
can't respond back at that moment, but you can

01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:17.060
start the conversation. You can absolutely go

01:11:17.060 --> 01:11:19.279
to their work sessions. There's so many ways

01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:21.720
you can get involved. The city is very transparent

01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:24.079
with anything you can ask for, anything you want,

01:11:24.260 --> 01:11:26.699
right? Make sure there's no Ethernet cables hanging

01:11:26.699 --> 01:11:28.560
out of the back of your Scantron machine. So

01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:31.579
you're saying if I went to city council and I

01:11:31.579 --> 01:11:34.399
had a grievance or a point or a question, they

01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:36.659
can't respond right there? Correct. No, not during

01:11:36.659 --> 01:11:39.359
citizen input. They cannot. Oh. So I guess that

01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:41.279
explains why I see all these videos where they're

01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:43.840
just sitting there and not responding. And they're

01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:45.729
like, this person should go away. I just thought

01:11:45.729 --> 01:11:47.630
they were just being rude. Well, you know what?

01:11:47.630 --> 01:11:49.350
That's perceived as being that. There probably

01:11:49.350 --> 01:11:51.510
should be some sort of. I didn't know that. Maybe

01:11:51.510 --> 01:11:53.310
they ought to say that. Yeah, we can't respond.

01:11:53.630 --> 01:11:55.329
And maybe they should say that. Well, maybe they

01:11:55.329 --> 01:11:57.789
do. A disclaimer at the beginning. Oh, sorry.

01:11:57.909 --> 01:11:59.029
Yeah, I was going to say at the beginning, maybe

01:11:59.029 --> 01:12:00.369
they do have a disclaimer. But, you know, the

01:12:00.369 --> 01:12:01.930
videos you see, you don't see that disclaimer.

01:12:02.430 --> 01:12:03.989
You just see the board sitting up there with

01:12:03.989 --> 01:12:06.909
their hands. Yeah, being all obstinate and not

01:12:06.909 --> 01:12:11.319
responding. Yeah. Hey, look, I want to take a

01:12:11.319 --> 01:12:14.420
minute and a half to jump on our whiskey. That

01:12:14.420 --> 01:12:15.880
way we can get it out of the way because it's

01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:18.100
the first half whiskey. We got a Johnny Drum

01:12:18.100 --> 01:12:20.840
whiskey. It's from Willett. It's a private stock.

01:12:21.380 --> 01:12:28.300
It's 50 .5 alcohol content. It's a 101. This

01:12:28.300 --> 01:12:31.520
is Kentucky bourbon. It's Bardstown. It's made

01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:35.720
by Willett. I got to tell you, it's terrific.

01:12:35.859 --> 01:12:38.640
It's light for one -on -one. It's light. It's

01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:40.739
got a better taste than the Wild Turkey one -on

01:12:40.739 --> 01:12:42.979
-one for sure. If you're a whiskey lover. Yeah.

01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:45.500
This is the same folks who make Noah's Mill.

01:12:45.779 --> 01:12:49.720
Yeah. Ooh. Yes. And you can tell, too. It's great.

01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:52.260
So the nose, I'm going to read these out so we

01:12:52.260 --> 01:12:53.920
don't have to go through this. The nose is a

01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:56.380
sweetness, caramel, vanilla bean, butterscotch.

01:12:56.380 --> 01:12:59.020
The palate is brown sugar, honey, vanilla, dark

01:12:59.020 --> 01:13:02.579
cherry, stewed fruits. Finish is lingering cinnamon.

01:13:02.739 --> 01:13:04.239
This is speed round. Pepper oak. This normally

01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:05.520
takes 18 to 20 minutes. Honey, sweetness, caramel.

01:13:06.370 --> 01:13:09.149
Look, so I'm going to give this thing, this is

01:13:09.149 --> 01:13:11.449
a 101, so it's a lower proof. It's regular bourbon.

01:13:11.449 --> 01:13:14.550
It's just not rye. It's just regular bourbon.

01:13:14.569 --> 01:13:17.590
So I'm going to call this one a 7 .1 on the scale.

01:13:17.670 --> 01:13:19.829
Oh, wow. That's very high. Yeah. Well, it's 101.

01:13:20.010 --> 01:13:22.970
I like it. I like it a lot. It's got the sweetness

01:13:22.970 --> 01:13:24.909
on there. It's easy to drink. Yeah, it's very

01:13:24.909 --> 01:13:26.930
easy to drink. But it's also got a little bit

01:13:26.930 --> 01:13:28.770
of spice. Yeah, a little bit. It's got some cinnamon

01:13:28.770 --> 01:13:30.550
in there. So, I mean, I know you're not a bourbon

01:13:30.550 --> 01:13:32.850
drinker. Did you take a little sip? I took a

01:13:32.850 --> 01:13:34.310
sip. It was pleasant. Are you horrified by it?

01:13:34.369 --> 01:13:36.449
I'm not horrified. It was pleasant. Okay. It

01:13:36.449 --> 01:13:39.189
was very pleasant. Okay. Well, there we go. That's

01:13:39.189 --> 01:13:40.890
a huge endorsement for somebody who doesn't drink

01:13:40.890 --> 01:13:43.640
whiskey. I think we've turned into... Bourbon

01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:45.520
snobs. We are totally bourbon snobs. Well, Jeff

01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:48.159
has some Kirkland sparkling flavored strawberry

01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:50.680
kiwi mix he could put in that bourbon. No, thank

01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:52.539
you. That would not do. Yeah, it's all natural.

01:13:52.939 --> 01:13:56.039
I'm going to give it a 6 .8, which is actually

01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:58.340
high for me. I'll give it a 7. It's good for

01:13:58.340 --> 01:14:01.720
the proof. Call your low. You know, the one thing

01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:03.720
it doesn't do, it doesn't last very long, which

01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:07.460
is good and bad. You know, I do like some of

01:14:07.460 --> 01:14:09.479
those, I'm going to say pungent, just because

01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:12.680
it kind of sees through the cloud. This one kind

01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:15.760
of falls off and tapers into kind of almost a

01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:18.760
bitter, kind of like a burnt sugar at the end,

01:14:18.779 --> 01:14:21.899
which kind of makes it less as great. That's

01:14:21.899 --> 01:14:24.640
why it's only a 7 .1 in my eyes. It's still high,

01:14:24.779 --> 01:14:28.119
but I think it's good. Great. Well, thank you

01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:30.500
so much for being on the podcast. Thank you for

01:14:30.500 --> 01:14:32.789
having me. This was actually really fun. I wasn't

01:14:32.789 --> 01:14:34.250
sure what to expect. You're thinking these guys

01:14:34.250 --> 01:14:36.149
are probably doofuses. I listened to one of your

01:14:36.149 --> 01:14:38.750
podcasts. I was like, come on. And you still

01:14:38.750 --> 01:14:40.850
came on the podcast? How much time we got, Chuck?

01:14:41.010 --> 01:14:44.149
Nope. Yeah, I did. What were we talking about

01:14:44.149 --> 01:14:47.229
in that podcast? I don't remember. It was very

01:14:47.229 --> 01:14:49.710
random, though. It was all over the board. That's

01:14:49.710 --> 01:14:51.670
usually where we are. You see that board up there?

01:14:51.949 --> 01:14:54.090
Sometimes we don't hit any of those topics. You

01:14:54.090 --> 01:14:56.510
have a topic board? I didn't even notice it.

01:14:56.609 --> 01:14:58.750
Well, but we knew we weren't going to talk about

01:14:58.750 --> 01:15:00.390
any of the stuff because, you know, you had the

01:15:00.390 --> 01:15:02.680
floor. Special guest. Thank you, thank you, thank

01:15:02.680 --> 01:15:05.079
you. I really enjoyed it. So, vote for Anne Anderson.

01:15:05.180 --> 01:15:08.079
Vote for Anne for Frisco. Yeah, vote for Anne

01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:10.420
for Frisco. See, number one. If you can't remember

01:15:10.420 --> 01:15:13.359
Anne Anderson, which is super easy, how could

01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:15.579
you not remember Anne Anderson? Hey, and I'm

01:15:15.579 --> 01:15:17.659
number one on the ballot, too. Number one. Whoa.

01:15:18.159 --> 01:15:19.859
Yeah. Alphabetical, I guess, right? It's a shoo

01:15:19.859 --> 01:15:22.159
-in. Nope, you have to choose. Perfect. It is

01:15:22.159 --> 01:15:24.899
perfect. So, your name was really Wendy Washburn.

01:15:25.060 --> 01:15:28.640
You changed it. Anne Anderson. I'm going to drop

01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:30.619
a bombshell that I was born in Anderson and I

01:15:30.619 --> 01:15:32.640
married and Anderson, we are not related prior

01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:35.579
to marriage. I know you can do so much with that.

01:15:35.739 --> 01:15:39.399
In your small town in Appalachia. Lord have mercy.

01:15:40.300 --> 01:15:42.979
Okay. So there you have it. Thanks. I'm sorry,

01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:46.159
go ahead. You can say something at the very end.

01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:47.899
Chuck, thank you for staying on top of stuff.

01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:50.500
Dudes Like Us, I'm Sean. I'm Paul. I'm Jeff.

01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:54.300
I'm Anne. And that was fun. Glad to have you.