All right. It's the second half of the Dudes
Like Us podcast. It's September 23rd, 2025. We've
got two fantastic guests with us today. The first
half, a shout -out to the Whistlepig Piggyback.
Piggyback. A six -year, 100 -proof whiskey. Interesting.
It wasn't horrible. It was good. Let's just settle
with it was good. It's a good entry level. It's
good entry level, but it is what it is. Listen
to the first podcast, see what our ratings were.
This podcast, we've got a new delight. We'll
talk about it a little bit. This one's a little
bit stronger. I have to say, I'm not a fan yet.
Really? We'll have to see. It opens up for me.
I had a good first impression. So, yeah, we'll
see. Well, we've got a jam -packed second half
of the first half. We've got a drink in us, so
we're a little bit less inhibited now. We've
got a full whiteboard of stuff to talk about.
That reminded me of a joke Austin told me today
about whiteboards, but we won't get into that.
Dudes Like Us, I'm Sean. I'm Paul. And I'm Joe.
And I'm Craig. And I'm Greg. Our producer, Mr.
Chuck, back there behind the scenes keeping us
all tame. Guys, welcome back for the second half.
I'm glad you stuck around. I will bring up Craig
and Greg. They've got the dinnercation .com.
I recommend you guys hit that website. It's learning
materials and just a path of success for your
kids, just things that should have been. And
it's fantastic, these little placemats that you
have that you brought over here. What else do
you have on there? Right now, that's where we're
starting. Next is, so you start this with a kid
that's anywhere from 7 to 12 years old. Then
it's a rite of passage. Then it's intentional
fatherhood through different points of meaning
through culture, whether that be a good movie
list to go over. Books to read. Books to read.
Conversations to be had. Just be deliberate.
Amen. Well, I think you nailed the age time frame
because teenagers. Think you're stupid. And they're
not going to listen to you, so you've got to
get them early, is I think what you're saying,
right? You get them before, they're like, Dad,
you're stupid. You don't know anything. For those
listeners out there, these are physical, tangible
placemats. You know, all the parents that need
these placemats, they're plastic, they clean
very well. Are they dishwasher safe? I wouldn't
try that. Yeah, but you know what? They're large
placemats, and they have elegant aphorisms on
them. Dinnercation .com, they talk about relationships.
They talk about business, finance, and life.
There's different well -organized... Prison and
Taco Bell are full of people that never took
guff off of no one. I want to know what your
problem with Taco Bell is. You know, these dumb
things that you get in your head when you're
a kid of like, well, once I become an adult,
I'm never going to have to take anything off
of anybody. No. It doesn't matter if you're Elon
Musk. Yeah, you just become more passive. It
actually gets worse. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
It doesn't hurt if you have autism, too. So intentional,
indirect teaching for your kids. It's on the
dinner table, and it's there for them to read.
You don't even have to really talk to them about
it. It's there. They're looking at it. It's passive
reading. They're going to look at it. I could
have used number 13 a long time ago. Red flags
don't look red when you have rose -colored glasses.
Oh, my God. I think we all had that one crazy
girlfriend that kind of swore you off of, well,
maybe I should delve a little deeper. Yeah, maybe
we get to know each other a little better. Yeah,
exactly. But she does some really good things,
right? Right. Where's those rose -colored glasses?
I am stone quiet. So we got a lot of things to
talk about. I mean, do we, let me see here. You
know, what I had, sorry, in the last podcast,
we were talking about diving into wellness. Yeah.
Do you want to dip our toe in that? So absolutely.
So that's something where, you know, I guess
we're men. It's okay to talk about our age. I'm
51 years old. And I just noticed that, you know,
I'm not 22 anymore. I have to be intentional
with my health. You know, we were talking about
drinking at the end of the last podcast. I love
a glass of wine. I really do. After a long day
at work, just kind of relax a little bit. It's
good for the heart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it like
in a pint glass? It's a Johnny Depp pint glass.
That's how you can tell I went to a state university.
It's balked wine, and I just chop a corner off
and start chugging. Just unravel that bladder.
Absolutely. I mean, it's a challenge sometimes,
but you've got to want it. And then you start
tracking your sleep and then you start looking
at, oh man, I didn't get any sleep last night.
And so it's really not relaxing you. And, you
know, I don't want to demonize drinking. It's
a social lubricant. I really do enjoy doing it.
I still drink, but just not like I used to. And
as far as the exercising goes, it's, you know,
I'm not going into the gym and doing, you know,
200 pound jerks anymore or squatting 400 pounds
or anything like that. I got to keep strength.
I've got to keep mobility up. And sometimes it's
about helping out with some medications. Now,
I have studied medications extensively. I'll
say this. The pharmacy, the pharmacist world
made a deal with the devil in the 1940s. And
what happened was, is that the drug companies
went to them and said, look, you guys aren't
putting out a consistent product. Now, keep in
mind, back then, if you were putting out 20,
30 prescriptions a day. you were really busy.
You were compounding it yourself. Yes, compounding.
Yeah. If they do 20, 30 prescriptions a day now,
they're going out of business, like in a week.
So the drug companies went to them back then
and said, look, we're going to put out a consistent
product. You're going to verify it. You're going
to make sure that it's a valid prescription.
We're going to move on down the road. Well, come
to the point that we are now, everything's run
by insurance companies and everything's run by
the drug companies. And the dirty secret that
people don't talk about is, is that all those
medications that they're charging you out the
wazoo for were developed with your tax dollars
to the NIH. So where I went to school at Texas
Tech, you have the pharmacy program and then
you have the pharmaceutical sciences program.
We take much the same classes at the same time.
Those guys are all looking to make a blockbuster
drug and billions and billions. Yeah. Yeah. Like,
you know, a half a percent of a billion dollar
drugs is a lot of money. Yep. So that's what
they're all trying to do. And but all of the
kind of starters that they're starting with.
all come from your tax dollars with the NIH,
and then they divvy them up. And then you have
this incestuous relationship with the FDA, the
NIH, and these drug manufacturers where they're
just hopping from place to place. It's all the
same people that are making the regulations,
that are making the drugs. Like Fauci. Yeah,
exactly. So the turning point that we see going
on right now are peptides. We all have peptides
within us. And what a peptide is, is that you
have a short chain of amino acids. Insulin is
a peptide. Okay. But this came out about 20 years
ago. Yeah. So they call it lizard spit. So the
Gila monster, when they bite something, they
have a chemical in their spit that's a GLP -1
agonist. And that's... Now you have semaglutide,
terzepatide, those kind of things, which gives
you satiety, which is making you feel full and
that kind of thing. And that's where all your
ozempics come from. That's where manjaro, those
kind of things come from. These things are hitting
the market like an atom bomb. And that's just
the tip of the iceberg. It's the new Viagra.
It is. It really, really is. Because unfortunately,
as Americans, most of us are overweight. But
there's also a lot of anti -inflammatory stuff.
BPC -157, TB -500. Most of these are injections.
However, we're seeing a lot more, a lot less
inflammation rather. We're seeing really good.
outcomes coming from these. So they're not harmful.
This isn't a bad thing. They're not harmful.
These are literal strands of the amino acid chain.
So they're taking, you have roughly 150 different
chains along the amino strands and they're literally
picking out different points within the amino
chain and then creating... And this is also stuff
that you already have in your body. It's all
natural. Yeah, that your body is usually signaling.
Yeah. And what's happening is, is that these
compounding pharmacies are making it and distributing
it to the patients, dispensing it. Now you have
to have a physician that knows what they're doing.
I'll be honest with you. Like they didn't train
us on this in pharmacy school. It's too new.
So the physician that you're going to, unless
they're really staying on top of things, they
probably don't know about them. So you'll have
to do your own research and you might have to
educate your physician about how to prescribe
these, what to look for, those kinds of things.
they all know about ozempic that that's a peptide
but um you know all the others there's so many
out there and it's such cutting edge and it's
big pharma's not in charge of it so it's a lot
less expensive they're not liking that at all
yes and it's a lot more and this is a billion
dollar trillion dollar yeah yeah so potential
the uh when trump got elected and he brought
in rfk jr We have to change our diet the way
that we're processing and making foods in this
country. But we also have to reform the drug
companies. And you talk about big money, incestuous,
well implanted in D .C. RFK Jr. doesn't care.
He's going in there like a wrecking ball. And
I love him for it. And he doesn't care if everybody
hates him. They're getting kickbacks on all this.
Oh, my God. It's going to be so bad. I mean.
Look, there's a lot of fights out there. There's
so many different things to talk about. You know,
this is why I was so excited. Historically, I
voted libertarian, but I voted for Trump. And
it was for the Elon Musk coming in there and
getting with the wage fraud. Yeah, all that stuff.
This is an exciting. It's an inflection point
in our nation's history. Wow. And this is coming
from a pharmacist here. Yes. Do you think there's
enough time on the runway to get some of the
stuff done, though? Only got four years. That's
a good question. Because, I mean, it's obviously
going to be a very heavy fight. You have a major
pharmaceutical, big money. Oh, yeah. They're
coming after him. Or are they just going to hold
tight and go, you're gone in three years? Potentially.
Are they going to sue the pants off of everybody
and just wait until you get the next regime in?
We don't know. It's too soon to tell. But I can
say it's very exciting. Oh, yeah. Hopefully we
can turn this around. Hopefully, people will
say, you know what? Objectively, I can see what's
happened in the past, let's just say 25 years,
and say, you know what? We need to make a change.
We've got to get our health in check. We've got
to get our FDA in check. We've got to get all
these processes back in check, unraveled, and
let's move forward. And truly fighting for us.
We've done this for our health. We did this at
the turn of the last century, you know, when
they were doing all that trust busting and getting
rid of monopolies. It was a fight. It was tough
back then. It's going to be tough now. But as
Americans, we should have the willpower to say,
I'm going to stand up to this. I'm not going
to take this anymore. And if for nothing else,
think of your kids for the love of God. All right,
so you've got two things going on. You're talking
about the apparatus, right? The deep state of
drug, right? That's what you've got going on.
But then you were talking about peptides and
the exciting potential of peptides. So you're
saying that if administered appropriately, they
could... They have great health benefits. Well,
we're talking about naturally occurring things
that are already going on within the body. Correct.
This is not new science. This is old science.
So what happened when you were - Give us some
different flavors of peptides. Okay, so you're
18 years old, you twist your ankle, and your
body goes straight back into soft tissue repair.
You're 50 years old, you twist your ankle, your
body does - It just goes, whatever, dude. Yeah,
it's like - Yum, yum. You shouldn't have done
that, okay? Here's how I'm going to punish you
for that. So, yeah, you can start taking like
the BPC -157. It's one that I really like right
now. And I bring it up just because my wife sprained
her ankle. And so I gave her. And that's something
you need a prescription for. Here's the funny
thing about that. Technically, you do not need
a prescription for most of the peptides that
are out there. If you're going to be getting
Terzepatide, which is Manjaro. If you're going
to be getting semaglutide, which is ozempic,
yes, you're going to need a prescription for
those. I recommend that you still talk to your
doctor about these things. Don't go super rogue
here. Yeah. As with anything, people will see
it as a panacea. They're going to get it from
some Chinese place or Mexican place that it's
made in a bathtub. But I can't go to you and
buy it. You couldn't go to your Walgreens and
get it. You can go to a compounding pharmacy
and get it. Are those local? They are. Downtown
Frisco. So what he was talking about, BPC -157,
is body protective compound. And that's going
to be the amino chains number 1, 5, and 7. That's
why they call it BPC -157. And what that is,
is the amino that stimulates the mitochondrial
cell regeneration. Over our age, as we start
to age more, our mitochondrial cells regenerate
at a slower rate. That's why we need longer periods
of rest. That's why we have more pain when we
do. That's one of the symptoms of aging. And
now, while BPC -157 is not an anti -aging method
for biohacking, it is a part of the amino chain
that has to do with the recovery of the mitochondrial
cells. It's indicative of being younger. Well,
it's an indicative of healing and recovering.
Right. So it's nicknamed the Wolverine drug because
it stimulates that cellular regeneration. Nice.
It's a part of it. There's other things that
are part of that too. Right. But that's one of
them. And is this man -made or is this a natural
compound? Okay. It's so synthetic up there. No,
it's compounded. It's synthetic. Yeah, so it
comes in a lyophilized powder, basically, and
then they'll reconstitute it. So you can do that
yourself. You can order it. There's a couple
of reputable sites. I would recommend going to
your local compounding pharmacy. There's a great
place called Tower Medic in Fort Worth that does
this. There's also like GHKCU. There's peptide
sciences online. There's blue sky sciences. There's
quite a few reputable ones. A lot of them are
out of Florida. Florida has more compound pharmacies
per capita, I think, than anywhere in the world.
There's a ton of - Lots of old folk down there.
Yeah. There's a lot of online companies. And
how they sell them is they sell them as - is
for research purposes only. So you can get on
and you can buy them, but they're labeled for
research purposes only. So you're not getting
them through prescription. But I'm testing that
on my body. Essentially, yeah. That works for
me. You get it in a vial. It comes in a powdered
form. Yeah. And you basically get saline water.
And mix it. You mix it in there and then you
do a draw and then a subcutaneous injection.
So you're just putting it under. You got the
very small needle. In your stomach. You grab
rolls of fat and you put it underneath the epidermis.
He and I can't find any. I've always struggled
with that. You got to inject this? Yeah, subcutaneous
is still the best way to... There are a couple
of topicals, but... And what about your butt?
Is that a good place, your butt cheek? No. That's
intramuscular. That's a different topic. It won't
get far enough. If you're going to do TRT, testosterone
replacement therapy, for guys our age, I think
it's great. But yeah, that's a big old I am needle.
Intramuscular needle. We all do it. I don't do
it anymore. I did it for a little over a year,
and I stopped doing it. I feel after I stopped
taking it like I've lost a little vigor, but
I still get it up. But, you know, I mean, my
wife was kind of, she had concerns. She was like,
I don't know about you. You should get off of
that. And I was like, no, I haven't had a problem
with that. But, you know, for me, it was more
I just wanted to kind of curb the medicines I
was taking about the blood pressure. So I was
like, you know what? If this testosterone is
making my points go up 10 to 15 to 20 points,
you know, maybe I need to think about this. What's
worth more, taking the testosterone and the blood
pressure medicine, or should I get off the testosterone?
And part of the blood pressure medicine, you
know, that, that was kind of the, what, what,
what I did. Yeah. That's what got me started.
Yeah. Was my blood pressure. And I got. It made
your blood pressure better? No, I, I have high
blood pressure. I've always had it. And it's
become more of a factor in my, in my age. Right.
And so part of what. You know, I was talking
earlier about how I had stopped drinking and
it kind of goes back to what happened where I
was, you know, high stress job. I was not taking
care of my health. I wasn't dieting right. I
wasn't exercising at all. Any excuse got in the
way of doing it. And I just, it wasn't something
I had, I was putting any kind of effort towards.
And I started to feel that stress coming onto
my body. And I went to a doctor and I found a
doctor that specializes in longevity and wellness.
And I found a DO. Let me briefly tell you about
the differences between an MD and a DO. I know
what a DO is. We all went to one for quite a
few years. Yeah, tell us what that is. So the
DOs go to osteopath college. And an osteopath
college is different than medical school in the
methodology of their teaching. A medical school
is a pharmaceutical -based, problem -solving
medical education. Osteopath college includes
pharmaceutical, nutrition. uh, diet and exercise.
They, they're, they take a little bit of what
you might call holistic approach. They take more
than just the pharmaceutical picture. And so
they're more focused on, uh, you know, identifying
and preventing problems while medical doctors
address solving problems that are already in
effect. Treating symptoms. So I found, you know,
I found a doctor who was a DO and he specialized
in wellness and I went to go see him and I'm
like, listen, my health is terrible. I know it's
not. in a good position. My heart rate's high.
I'm feeling the stress. I'm not taking care of
myself. I want you to run the full test on me
and tell me anything that might be potentially
going wrong with me and how I can get dialed
in and get my health to where I live a long functional
life. And he was able to run a series of blood
tests on me. He put me through a calcium score
test, which is a CT scan where they basically
put you in a CAT scan, and they CT you from soup
to nuts. Yep. They measure everything. They look
at all of your internal organs, all of your arteries.
They measure the thickness of your arteries,
and then they give you a score of how much plaque
buildup is going on. Yes. So he looked at all
this information and sat down with me in my follow
-up visit and said, okay, here's what's going
on. Yeah, you've got habitual chronic high blood
pressure. You've got a thickening of the arteries
already going on. You're developing early stages
of hypertension. And then he told me what my
mortality rate was and a timeline of when I can
expect that to happen. So he literally sat there
and told me when I'm going to die and what I'm
going to die of. Yeah, you're like, thanks, doc.
Well, it was a very sobering moment. Yeah, I
bet. You know, I've got four kids. I want to
be able to see them all grow up. And that was
not leading to reaching that goal. And so it
scared the crap out of me. And so I just said,
hey. I'm committed. Get me dialed in. And so
my doctor basically lined up all the data and
said, okay, here's what's, he pointed out different
points and said, this is what we got to tweak
on the data points. And then here's what I want
you to change for him. And, you know, big component
of it was sleep. A big component of it was, you
know, exercise. He put me on high blood pressure
medicine, but he really emphasized the cardio
training on it. He wasn't a big fan of the blood
pressure meds. It was more of an anecdotal for
a severe situation. He wanted to advocate more
of doing VO2 max training, which is VO2 max is
a way to measure the efficiencies of oxygen delivering
to your muscles. It's a good way to gauge how
good your cardiovascular system is. There's another
way to do it by measuring what you're... A variable
heart rate is, and your variable heart rate is
basically the pause in between your systolic
and your diastolic pumping your heart. The pause
in between them, the longer that pause, it indicates
more of an efficient cardiovascular system. And
then you measure how much oxygen goes from your
lungs to your muscles and how efficient that
is. And that gives you a score too. So historically,
you would go to a kinesiologist and they would
measure all the stuff for you during an exercise
program. Hook you up to oxygen, breathing mass.
put you on a treadmill, have sensors all over
your body. You don't have a computer to measure
it. Now we've got them in fitness trackers. And
so I bought a fitness tracker, not to plug this
one particularly, but I tried various ones. I
did the Apple Watch. I did the Fitbit. And then
I found a company called Whoop. And theirs is
more geared towards the fitness enthusiast. So
they've got more data points that they measure
on theirs, a little bit more on the pricing point.
It wasn't too bad. It's like 350 bucks a year.
So I bought that. And I started, right off the
bat measuring my sleep because he wanted me to
start measuring it so i started measuring my
sleep to see what i was getting and what i noticed
was very consistently as i was in a sleep deficit
i was not getting enough deep and rem sleep and
so he wanted me to immediately turn that around
like you got to have more sleep and that has
a whole list of things from mitochondrial cell
regeneration yeah that's how your body heals
cognitive A long list. And so then I dove into,
okay, how do I increase my sleep? More bourbon.
Well, yeah, maybe I'm off the market. Yeah, you
might be a little off. Do you sleep well, though?
I mean, do you have any issues? Do you snore
loud? No, but alcohol was one. Because alcohol,
it prevents you from getting into that deep REM
sleep. And then it releases a toxin within your
blood system, too. So when you're trying to clean
up the inside, the alcohol is a big inhibitor
there. There's also what does the alcohol do
to your intestinal flora? So if you don't know,
like if you're at a clean hood doing compounding
and stuff in a pharmacy, in order to kill all
the bacteria, you use isopropyl alcohol. So when
you drink that alcohol, you... You're running
all your intestinal flora, the bacteria, the
good bacteria in your body, you're running it
through the gauntlet and you're killing off a
bunch of the stuff that your body needs in order
to properly digest the good food that you're
eating. Well, it was fun to have you guys. We're
going to wrap this up and maybe next time. Maybe
not. So how long, let's say I have a bender tonight.
Yeah. How long is it going to take my gut? To
repair. I mean, to get those positive bacteria
back in there. What are you eating? You're eating
fish. Eating or drinking? I was talking about
drinking when it kills it. Yeah, well, it depends
on how you're going to recolonize it. Like, if
you're eating some Greek yogurt once a day, that
is fantastic for recolonizing your intestinal
flora. I hate yogurt. You got kimchi. What else
is there? Other fermented foods like kimchi.
That's good information. Sauerkraut. Spam. Absolutely,
yeah. Not spam. Spam from fermented. Lots of
sodium if you're low on sodium. So is this like
the pickled normal sauerkraut we get? Yeah, sauerkraut
is a fermented food. What about pig's feet? I
love sauerkraut. I don't think I ever got pig's
feet. Pickled is not what we're looking for.
We're looking for fermented. You really got to
dig into that jar to get that pig foot at the
bottom. Yeah. Like with a nail in it or something.
There you go. There you go. Good Lord. Yeah.
So to repopulate. You want to recolonize, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fermented food. I've had
the kefir before. That's actually like a, you
drink it, it's actually a tingles on your tongue.
I can do cheese. So we're looking at a list of
fermented foods. So apple cider vinegars is good,
right? Oh yeah, that's a big one. As far as cheese
goes, you want the hard cheeses, by the way.
I see meat on there. What's a hard cheese? Like
a cheddar. I see beer. I see beer and meat and
cheese. Well, I would say that's fermented, but
it's not going to produce the gut biome that
you need. Right. And to his point, that gut biome
is extremely important with a lot of things.
I mean, your gut health, having the correct balance
of biome in there is huge. The largest nerve
in your body is called the vagus nerve. It runs
your brain. It also runs your gut. So, like,
if you take Ondansantron, which is for nausea.
that regulates the serotonin system in your body,
in your gut. But it also regulates the serotonin
system in your head. And how do bacteria communicate
with each other? Dopamine, serotonin. All the
neurotransmitters. All the stuff that makes you
mentally happy and healthy. Your bacteria use
the same thing. And look, I don't mean to dog
on drinking. Well, drinking's horrible for you.
And we know that. We know that. It's a social
lubricant. It's relaxing. It's enjoyable. Look,
you got to do it in moderation. I don't think
you guys are going hard in the paint every night.
No. In fact, the goal for me personally is two
nights. Yeah. You know, and that's tonight. And
then we try to pick one night a week. Yeah. You
know, that's usually the thing. And then, you
know, we go out and we shop Fridays. So, you
know, for me personally. I get a little saucy,
but I get saucy on a couple drinks. Yeah, but
you also don't want to be the guy at the dinner
party that's like, did I mention that I stopped
drinking and that I'm better than all of you?
You won't be invited to dinner parties after
that, and that is also not mentally healthy.
You could talk about your gut biome. Yeah, exactly.
I'm protecting my flora. Yes, yes. So fuck you.
I'm not saying that I'm mentally or morally superior
to all of you, but I think it's there. I'll just
pull out some sauerkraut and start eating. There
you go. Alcohol. Yeah, you bring your own container
of sauerkraut everywhere you go. You're going
to be really cool, Jeff. Talk about a conversation
starter. Have you hung out with the sauerkraut
guy? She smelled like a bitch. barnyard animal
so alcohol is great it's a lot of fun yeah and
i really love it yeah but on the biological level
though it does age you so you are speeding up
the aging process and for me personally i'm trying
to slow down the hours of the sand that's going
through the hourglass because i've lost so much
already i feel from the lifestyle i've had in
the last 15 years so i'm trying to turn that
around and i'm going yeah i'm going heavy in
the paint with this and i'm not saying everybody
else should do the same and i don't judge anybody
for anything different this is what i'm doing
to try to reach a goal it's a personal choice
it's all right to go and have a drink or two
or even get blown up once a year twice a year.
Whatever you want to justify it as, I guess.
If it's a lifestyle to not drink, then that's
a lifestyle. The bigger picture is what's your
habits? Are you eating clean? Are you exercising?
Seriously, if you look at the big numbers of
things, if you walk 30 minutes most days of the
week, you're doing really well. You're doing
way better than most of the Americans that are
out there. Which is sad to hear that. Does my
inside trampoline count? Can I tell you about
the trampoline? Hold on, you had to add man size
to that? I'm going to see what that looks like.
It matches my stomach nerve. So if you, like,
I wake up every morning, I walk my dogs, I get
that morning light right into my eyes to keep
the cortisol low so I don't have a lot of inflammation,
get the heart rate up to start the day, you know,
on an empty stomach. I'm not starting every morning
by going Arnold Schwarzenegger in the gym. Right.
First off, that's not sustainable for me. Not
for me. Yeah, exactly. All your joints are going
to just like disintegrate. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but the spectrum of light has a big effect
on your body and how your circadian rhythm is
in place. And there's even a lot of study to
show how that works psychologically. And they
can pinpoint to studies of people that commit
suicide, how they've had. had a red light deficit
and an orange light deficit. They've been surrounded
by blue light or a lack of light. Well, look
at us throughout history. I mean, air conditioning
is new. Blackout curtains are new. Well, look
up at Seattle. They have a condition called sad,
don't they? 100%. Absolutely. We're basically
solar panels that are meant to live outside in
the sun and not under fluorescent lights and
then fake lights. So our bodies aren't meant
for this. And so we have a bit of a light deficit
going across society. And I bet everybody, usually
everybody that goes to get a blood test, their
vitamin D levels are low. And so usually you
have to supplement because you're low on vitamin
D. And that has a lot to do with, you know, the
light spectrum and your exposure. And to point
to what he was talking about, Andrew Huberman
brought a really fascinating podcast. I encourage
anybody to go take a look at it and listen to
it. It talks about, you know, light exposure
and spectrum. Who is it again? Andrew Huberman,
Dr. Andrew Huberman. Okay. He's got a podcast.
He's a wellness expert and does a lot of diving.
He teaches neuroscience at the Stanford University
School of Medicine. Great guy to follow. Another
good guy to follow is Dr. Peter Attia. He's got
a podcast called The Drive. And he brings in
other doctors and they dive into specific subjects.
So if you're looking to pick up your IQ on whatever
subject it is, go to The Drive and listen to
whatever subject it is. best expert in the industry
on there, and they're going to dive into it.
You'll leave with a PhD level of intelligence
on whatever the subject is. Yeah, but who listens
to podcasts? I know. Just the dorks. I mean.
So back to what I was saying, the whole thing
about sleep is something I first started with,
was really figuring out, okay, I've identified
that I've got a sleep deficit. Now how do I fix
it? And so. What do I do? I dive online and start
reading all I can. I start listening to podcasts.
I'm listening to Peter Atiyah, guys like him
and Huberman. When they bring in experts, sleep
experts, and start discussing it, then I start
writing a list of the things that they're talking
about, and then I start trying them. And I got
a fitness tracker, so I'm tracking. Quality of
your sleep, yeah. Well, I'm trying each individual
anecdote, and I'm looking, I'm tracking it on
my tracker to see how does it work. And I went
through a list of things. I found a couple of
things that worked great for me, and that's what
I stick with. Sure. And I found that it worked
great. Now, for me, if anyone's interested, the
first one for me was the timing on my last meal
of the day. When you go to bed with food on your
stomach, your body stays in that awake mode.
And while you might fall asleep and be unconscious,
it hovers in that light sleep range, and it doesn't
dive into deep and REM. Because it's got a job
to do. It's got a job to do. Right. So what I
did is I moved that timeline back, and so I shoot
for three to four hours before I go to bed of
having my last meal of the day. So I got it digested,
go to bed, and my tracker, I did it multiple
days in a row to test it, and it consistently
jumped me up 50%. Damn. 50%. That was huge. It
was huge. Of just the deep Norem. So you're like
a blue hair. You eat at 3 .30 in the afternoon?
Only if it's a buffet. At Luby's. I said extra
mac and cheese. If you're going to bed at 10,
you eat at 7 o 'clock. That's good to go. Sure.
And then, of course, sort of intermittent fasting.
I take my last meal of the day and my first meal
of the day, and I do about a 13 -hour bunch there.
So if I have my last meal at 8, I have my first
meal at 9. Makes sense. In the a .m. And that's
something all of us should be able to control.
It should, right? And it had a profound effect.
It got my body to metabolize better. And so I
was burning calories more efficiently and weight
started dropping off. Like body fat started going
down tremendously. Right. So it worked. The next
big one for me on the sleep, which I think is
probably the most critical one that really jumpstarts
it. So if you're having problems sleeping, if
you've got, you know. sleep deficit, or if you're
just insomniac, there is a biological turnover
that happens from doing zone two cardio workouts.
Now, the history of this, which actually my doctor
explained to me, was they studied the Kenyan
marathon runners, and they took a team of doctors
to Kenya to spend time with the Kenyan marathon
runners to answer the question, why are these
guys dominating marathons all over the world?
What is it? Is it The food they eat, is it because
they've been running from lions for hundreds
of years? I was going to say, I thought they
were prey. Like, what is going on here? Oh, my
God. It's a motivator, that's for sure. Well,
it turns out it's in their training. It's how
they physically exercise. Surprisingly, Canyon
Marathon runners run two days a week. And then
the other days, they're doing a Zone 2 cardio
workout. So how that looks, Monday, they do a
hard run. Tuesday, they do 25 minutes of Zone
2. Now, zone two is basically a range. If you're
our age, it's like 135 to 145 beats a minute.
The real litmus test on it is can you still breathe
through your nose and keep your mouth closed
while you're doing it? Can you have a conversation
without sucking for air? So you can do a zone
two while you're on a conference call and people
don't know you're sitting there on a treadmill,
right? Okay, yeah. Give me examples of what level
that would be for a normal guy. So, depending
on age. Is that running on a treadmill? Is that
walking on a treadmill? You're hitting a percentage.
So, if you're a young guy, it's going to be a
jog. If you're getting close to your 50s, it
could be a really fast -paced walk. Okay. Riding
a bike. For 25 minutes? 25 minutes. Okay. We're
talking getting your heart rate close to that
140 mark. But not crazy. 140. Once you hit like
150 beats per minute, you're in zone three. So,
you're really that sweet spot is 135 to 148,
149 range. Again, it kind of depends on your
age on what that number is. Sure, you got to
tweak it for your own body. Yeah, because you
take 220, you minus your age, and that's 100%.
And then you do a percentage from there, and
zone two is going to be around 65%. Okay. So
you're looking at 135 to 145 beats a minute if
you're in your 40s to 50s. Yep. And that could
be from a really good walk, riding a bike. If
you're really in good cardio shape, it might
be a light jog. Right. Now, it's not talking
about just walking, just brisk, just casually
walking. got to be hitting your walk, right?
You got to get your heart rate going. Yeah. But
25 minutes of that merit, those guys were doing
it on Tuesday and Thursday or Monday. They did
the hard run Tuesday, Wednesday. They did the
zone two Thursday. They came in and they did
another hard run Friday, Saturday, Sunday. They
were doing the zone two. Now they were doing
this year round. Now the doctors came back and
researched that. And what it was doing was it
was causing on the biological level, the mitochondrial
cells. were boosting their regeneration turnaround
timeline. So they were healing faster on the
cellular level. Recovery, because they had recovery.
Exactly. The other thing that it did was it biologically
kicked your body to jump into deep sleep and
to go there as long as possible. So essentially,
these guys are hyper -focused on recovery. Now,
they didn't know. It's just what worked for them.
But they were essentially hyper -focused on recovery.
They get recovered, fully recovered, and they're
ready for another hard run, fully recovered.
And then they recover again, and they need to
do another hard run, fully recovered. So by the
time these guys are doing runs each time, they're
doing them at 100 % recovery, ready to get a
hard one in. And that's why they're dominating.
Because when they run, they're like, they got
everything. They got everything to go in for
them. All of their cells are fully recovered.
They're ready to go. And then they get to a,
they get to a competition. They're fully recovered.
And while all of the rest of the competition
has been over training and when they do get hard
runs, they're doing too many hard runs. And when
they do a hard run, they're not fully recovered.
So these guys are hyper focused on recovery and
it's given them peak performance because of that.
So it wasn't lions. No shit. It wasn't lions.
It was in the training. Now I expect it in the
next Olympics. You may not be winning the gold
this next time around because the secret's out.
They started figuring it out. The secret's out.
Now, on the mitochondrial cell regeneration,
that's not just with exercise. That's with injury.
So now you're seeing physical therapists are
including that within your physical therapy protocol.
Interesting. It speeds up the recovery time on
your healing. I think if I get my heart rate
up to 300, I may just die. 300? Yeah, 300 is
going to kill you. 220 will probably kill you.
It says here, I thought it said 300 somewhere.
No, you don't want 300. That sounds bad. I put
it into my protocol, and I looked at the results
on my tracking, and I had 100 % increased. 220
minus your age. Yeah, 220 minus your age is 100
% of your maximum heart rate. You had 100 % what?
I had 100 % increase in my deep and REM sleep.
Oh, dude. That's amazing. Huge. Just by doing
that? Just by doing that. And you sustained it?
It's when I do it. So when you do it, it's 100
% of the time it happens. It's a cause and effect
for that period. So if you do it that day, that
night, your body's going to - So it's like a
day thing. So if you're like, I'm going to go
do it tomorrow, that night, you're going to -
That's right. I have to do it for a week. To
see this benefit? No, it's day one. You do it
that day, that night, you're going to get a result
from it. You do it the next day, the next night.
You've got to stick with it all the time. So
it's something to get into and stick to. So I
just put it in. I've kind of fallen off with
things going on recently. I don't do them as
every day. You fall off your routine. But for
a good period of time, it was every day. I try
to do it as much as possible. And I'm about to
get back into my 100 % everyday routine. But
yeah, it works. And I know it works because I've
tracked it with data. I'm purely going off of
the data that I've... There's no better way to
do it. So it works. And did it cause any weight
loss as well? Well, yeah. Cause you're metabolizing.
Right. So your, your fit watch that you have
$350 membership a year, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm
not, I don't care, but I mean, how much was the
watch? Well, they give it to you. You pay for
the membership and they give you, they give you
a track. So what's it called? Is that it right
there? Yeah, this is it. It's called a whoop.
And the newest model is pretty cool. I got this
new one. Can you spell that for me? W H O O P.
W -H. It's only for Aggies. Whoop, there it is.
So I'm an Aggie. I should know what that is.
So this does a really good job of tracking your
sleep. The other thing it does is it tracks the
strain that you put in a day. Well, they sell
them there. So whoop's really good for all of
the fitness trackers. If you want an entry point
to get in, whether it be one of the ring or a
Fitbit or whatever. Yeah, any of them are great.
Whoop's just kind of the top of the line. And
there's a number of them that do that annual
membership as well. But Whoop's not the only
one that does that. No, no, no. You can get a
Fitbit for $150. That's waterproof. And we'll
tell you most of this stuff. And it's no annual
charge or anything like that. You guys both have
one, right? I have a Fitbit. I'm the cheapest
person you'll probably ever meet. Yeah, but I
can do... Frugal. Okay, yeah. I can do an EKG
on mine and do a full EKG score and I can send
it to my doctor. It taught him how to tap dance
and does his taxes. It does the EKG as well.
You log on to whoop .com or is that what it is?
Whoop .com. Yeah. And you just, you go through
them, you enroll in the annual membership and
they mail you the watch. Yeah, they give you
the watch for free. So you get one watch and
how... do you charge it so the older versions
so this new life one this is the newest model
that just came out um it's got the peak on it
you got the peak in the one but the the biggest
one right here is the newest model and that one
has a 14 day of battery life wow it takes about
impressive yeah this takes me about an hour to
charge up i don't have to do it again for a couple
weeks the other one was about four days which
is a lot better like the fitbit you got to do
it overnight Kind of like the, sometimes a couple,
the Apple Watch. You can go like five, six days.
Didn't the Apple Watch do all this stuff too?
It does. Yeah, most does. Yeah, that's just it.
You got a lot of options if you're going to.
Yeah, there's a lot of options. There's a lot
of options. Yeah, there's a lot of options. So
do you get a new watch every year? My first one
I kept for two years and then I replaced it once
the new model just came out a couple months ago.
But you have to buy the new one. No, I just renewed
and they sent it to me. Okay, so every year you
renew, you get a new watch. Yeah, you can, yeah.
But just some kind of tracking. Yeah, some kind
of tracking. Anything you're doing. I think here's
the thing. I mean, we buy these, I apologize,
I didn't mean to interrupt you, but it's like,
good Lord. I mean, my watch, hell, we got this,
Jeff and I got this because we were. That was
a long time ago. Wanting to do biathlons. And
that was our thing. We started swimming. And
this was like the only watch that could count
us doing our laps. Oh, cool. And then like a
week later, they started selling them everywhere.
But my point is that this one is pretty robust
for what it does. And frankly, I'm surprised
it still works. And there was a point where the
battery was just dying really quick. And then,
I don't know, I did some things. I take it off
every single day and I charge it every day. But
I could probably go two or three days without
it. I forget what my point was. Does it track
your sleep? It doesn't track my sleep, but it
tracks a bunch of other things. And if I wanted
to track the sleep, I could program it in there
to do it. But I just didn't. But my point is
that if you're going to buy a watch, how long
do watches normally last? A year? Two years?
Three years? Four years? I've had my Apple Watch.
For a couple years, yeah. They should work indefinitely,
right? I mean, why not? Well, because components
go apart. It's a computer on your wrist. I'm
trying to rationalize the cost on it because
I wouldn't mind diving into an expense like that
just to get a new watch every year and just to
provide that kind of information and detail about
your sleep. I mean, if it's going to increase
the quality of my life, why not? Yeah, I always
encourage people to get something that will track
your sleep. That's always a good thing. And if
you can track steps, that's good. That's the
starter. But I'm sure you get way more with this
program. Oh, yeah. You can track your O2 levels.
You can track VO2 max. You can track your variable
heart rate. You can track your EKG, your sleep,
your strain. It collects this data. Does it take
the data, analyze it, and then regurgitate some
sort of narrative? Yeah, it does. And the more
you wear it, the smarter it gets on your body,
right? So mine will track the sleep I got the
night before, and then it'll tell me, this is
how much strain you should target today based
on the recovery you got last night. And it'll
give me a target point for how much strain. And
then it measures the strain that my body has.
So it's measuring a whole list of different things.
That sounds like my wife. And does it make you
feel guilty and give you shit about it? No, that's
what your wife's for. That's a more expensive
option. It's time to stand. You lazy ass. But
it does calculate. You drank too much again.
Exactly. So it does, it tracks that and it calculates
to tell you how much sleep. So the night before
I had X amount of sleep. So my target strain
level was this for today. And then it takes whatever
that is for the day. And it says, this is how
much sleep you should probably get tonight to
recover from that. And so it's a constantly running
thing that's going off of the data that it collects
over time. And it gives you a real. pretty darn
good accurate measurement on how much strain
and how much sleep that you're getting on a daily
basis and the reality is it's giving you enough
information to have you have no excuses man you
know exactly no but if you're going to get doing
yeah exactly and you got to make a personal choice
on being healthy or not But to Craig's point,
though, any kind of a tracking device is a great
thing to do because you can really see where
you are. Because where I was when I finally got
out of a sleep deficit, it was a life -changing
moment for me. I felt like an entirely new human
being. It's that critical. So you were seeing
the benefits right away. Immediately. I know
without looking at my tracker now if I got the
full amount of recovery that I needed based on
the strain that I had the day before. The way
I wake up. When I wake up feeling recharged and
ready to get my day, I know I had it. Right.
If I need a cup of coffee, I know that I'm in
a sleep deficit. Yep. So I'm getting real dialed
in. You don't drink coffee anymore? Not if I
don't have a, if I've got a good night's sleep,
then no, I don't. I just drink coffee because
it's routine. Lots of people do. It kind of percolates
my intestinal tract. Yeah, and you get kind of
used to it, too. It comes a little bit apart.
You start drinking energy drinks. No, I don't
do that shit, man. I've been drinking Blooms.
Do you know what Blooms are? No idea. They're
tasty, and I tell you what, it's the caffeine
makes you sharp. Yeah. But I don't know if it's
good for you. I don't think it is good for you.
I'm pretty sure it's not. It doesn't have the
sugar. That, like, you know, monster drinks and
stuff? No, it's probably got lots of B in it
and lots of taurine and some caffeine too. Yeah,
and L -theanine. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just
stuff that wakes you up, right? I mean, it depends
on how you use it. I like to get a cup of coffee
before I get a good workout in because it's like
having an energy drink. Yeah, there you go. It's
like getting a pre -workout drink. You know,
I stopped drinking the pre -workout drinks and
just started doing a cup of coffee before a workout
if I really wanted an extra boost. That's plenty.
That's all you need. Who doesn't love a good
cathartic first thing in the morning? I've had
issues with sleeping. We traveled and gone some
places and these guys have heard me sleep. Because
we can't sleep. Sleep. When he says sleep. Well,
it's horrific. I have horrible sleep apnea. Do
you use a CPAP? I do now. There are two things
that I've done. One of them is the eating. I
try my best not to eat four hours before I go
to bed, number one. And I'll tell you also, that
has also controlled a lot of the stomach issues
I've had. Pain, stomach, antacid stuff. There's
two things I did there. Not going to bed with
a stomach full of food and limiting the amount
of water I drank during that process. An hour
before, a couple hours afterwards before you
drink water. The second thing was the CPAP machine.
So don't eat in the CPAP machine. The CPAP machine
was crazy. The biggest telltale sign for me,
asking folks why they have a hard time, is do
you get up in the middle of the night to go pee?
And most of the time, if you get up in the middle
of the night two, three times to go pee, it's
not because you have to pee. It's because you're
awake and your body's in fight -flight, and usually
in fight -flight, you've got to pee. Might be
low on sodium as well. It could be. You know,
that's another thing I take before I go to bed
is I buy Celtic salt, and I take a couple of
granules and put it on my tongue before I go
to bed. Do you really? Yeah, every night. Oh.
So I had - Celtic salt. It's high in magnesium.
Okay. So I had a mineral salt. Why not just take
magnesium 3 and 8? I do. Oh, you take that as
well? I do that. That stuff's amazing. Yeah,
no, yeah. It has made a huge difference to my
sleep. Yeah. No, it works. Magnesium 3 and 8.
Yeah. L3 and 8. Yeah, yeah. I just take it all.
Okay. I take like 13 pills before I go to bed.
Oh, wow. Well, then your body's actually digesting
that. I didn't even think about that. That's
a full stomach. Take it in the morning. Well,
I'll take some of them in the morning, but the
blood pressure stuff, they recommend you take
that at night. So this isn't violating any HIPAA
things, but if y 'all didn't know, most medical
students, nursing students, pharmacy students,
they are educated through the VA system. The
VA system is fantastic for student education
in the United States. And most pharmacists will
go through, like if you develop atrial fibrillation,
AFib, they start you on blood thinners. So they
call it a Coumadin clinic. And you go in there
and you test their INR, which is basically how
thick their blood is. You want a little on the
thin side for somebody with AFib. And I was working
the Coumadin clinic out there in Lubbock. We
had this guy come through, and his wife was saying,
yeah, he just won't eat, and I just don't know
what the deal is. And so my preceptor was like,
well, why don't you really drill down and let
us know what's going on here? And she was this
hippy -dippy type, and she starts bringing out
how many supplements he has. I mean, it was like
she went into the vitamin shop and said, one
of everything, please. And it was, imagine a
cereal bowl. filled with capsules and tablets
of every supplement you can imagine. He was like,
why would he eat? He has a stomach full of this
stuff. I mean, like, eat. food that your body
is meant to process food and all that stuff's
in there yeah exactly so you brought up a good
valid point you know and it's almost it's embarrassing
uh for two reasons it's embarrassing because
i was doing it and oh and then number two now
i'm thinking my parents had that am pm pill fucking
thing oh yeah and now i'm my dad so now i gotta
go back to the story at the am and pm one because
i gotta take specific that's great yeah yeah
well i mean like How are our bodies meant to
- You're getting old. Yeah. Wait till you not
know what day it is. Shit, Monday or do the Wednesday?
Did I take today's already? Look, I fully support
supplementation. I have nothing wrong with that.
But ideally, get things. If you can do things
the natural way, get it through food. Absolutely.
Whole foods, particularly. Yeah, yeah. Meats,
vegetables, and fruits. Get your B vitamins from
Spam. Everything. Not the frozen pizza. Actually.
Vegetables. That's what you put the spam on.
That's the zinc. Zinc and magnesium come from
frozen pizza. So whole foods are the only thing
that they can prove are fully metabolized by
the body. Right. Yeah. So supplements, that's
why the FDA doesn't oversee them because they
still don't have proof that all of that is sufficiently
metabolized. Right. So we might be duped into
thinking all these pills we're taking actually
get metabolized. That's right. Do you recommend
us getting like methylated tests to even know
what we're really supposed to be taking anyways?
I have no problems with getting a broad spectrum
blood work done on you at least once a year.
He's talking about a methylation test, which
is a little bit different. That's going to be
a DNA test to see if your body has a methylation.
How does it methylize elements in the body? And
if you have a methylation deficiency, then you
need to get a methylation, or excuse me, a methylated
supplement, because that's what will metabolize.
Now, that's kind of an expensive thing. It's
like 600 bucks. The mother effer gene that people
talk about? The MFTR? It's a test you take. You
know what I'm talking about? No? Okay. It's a
test you take that your body is deficient. All
of our bodies are deficient in something, or
it doesn't metabolize things, a specific thing.
That methylated test kind of has indicators that
tells you what those are. Don't waste your time
taking vitamin D8. Yeah, because your body can't.
Yeah, well, it doesn't make sense. So it points
out to like five or six. Here, take those. You
don't need to take any of that other bullshit.
It kind of dumbs it down. Maybe it'll bring my
pill count down from 13 to like three or four.
Man, I tell you. So we've been all over the place
in terms of things to improve our wellness. It's
overwhelming, man. Yeah, there's a lot. We talk
about it a lot on the podcast. Well, this is
great. This has actually been a fantastic podcast,
this one right here. But the average American,
man, they can't keep up with all this shit. They
can't. I got as much as I get into it. Just keep
it simple. Start your day with some scrambled
eggs. Super easy. We need a place map of the
simple night chart. The simple 22 things to do.
I don't want to see a food pyramid. I want a
food square. Fuck that food pyramid because it
was upside down in the first place. I'll summarize
it to you in a very simple format. Number one,
get plenty of sleep. Sleep is huge. Start there.
Get plenty of sleep. Get the right amount of
sunlight at the right spectrum during the day,
mornings, evenings, a little bit in the meeting,
in the afternoon. Make your diet. Nutritious.
Keep it simple. Whole foods. Get rid of the ultra
-processed foods. Limit your sugars. No more
charcuterie boards? No, you don't. All of the
fad diets. I did a charcuterie board every Sunday.
I went tonight. Yeah, fad diets are a fad for
a reason. They come and go. But at the end of
the day, a whole foods diet is what our bodies
are made for. Meat, fruit, vegetables. If you
keep your diet to that, you can really kind of
maintain it and just keep reasonable portions.
You don't have to calorie count, right? I do.
You put your timing, you know, you don't have
it too late in the day, too early in the morning.
You don't pile it around the middle of the day
instead of spreading it out through that. I mean,
just simple stuff, right? And then from there,
moderate amount of exercise. If you're doing
resistance. Your muscles are strong. Strong muscles
lead to strong bones. Strong bones produce red
blood cells, maintain your testosterone levels,
hormone levels, estrogen, et cetera. And that
is your key to longevity. The more muscle you
have, the better. Now, here's the other thing
that I learned through a trainer, too. You don't
have to sit around and pump iron to do it. I
was tearing muscles left and right. So I went
to a therapist. Guy's a great guy. He's out of
California. Works with nothing but pros. He was
going through my full workout regimen with me
and all of my medical history, all my medical
records. And he was like, Greg, what in the heck
are you doing, man? You're not a linebacker in
college. I mean, what is going on? I'm like,
what do you mean? He was like, you know why Tom
Brady had such a long career? Because he didn't
go to the weight room. He didn't go to the weight
room. He goes, you need to get off the weights.
Everything that you can do. But they say weight
training is all about what you. It's about resistance.
Yeah, it's about resistance. It's about resistance.
Yeah, yeah. Your body weight can give you all
the resistance you need. You don't need to get
on a bench press or throw out crazy dumbbells.
You could do, you could do, you could do pushups
and get that same thing. Right. And so he put
me on a workout that was all body weight. So
I do a mixture of what's like yoga slash functional
slash plyometrics combined. And that's my exercise
now. And that's it. And I'm just as strong as
I've ever been. I even did a max at a friend's
house a few months ago. And I put up the same
amount of weight that I was putting up in college
on a bench press, on a max. Nice. Interesting.
Yeah. Shocking. You'd be shocked at what I could
bench right now. And I'm not touching weights.
I'm just doing pushups. So you're saying I should
tell my wife to sign up for hot yoga. Oh, yeah.
Okay. Oh, yeah. Okay. Take your sauerkraut and
go into the yoga class. Get the fart in. Bomb
it out. No. And you got to go with her and you
got to get up front in the mirror so you can
see everything behind and look for the little
glow spot under the yoga pants. Wow. I'll have
the brown spot in the back. Just as a side note,
I had a roommate in college that was a male stripper,
and he was always eating Starkist tuna cans and
leaving them everywhere. Oh, no. And he was like,
it's good protein, bro. I'm like, they stink.
They stink to high heavens. I would like to bring
a girl back to the room every now and again,
and there's Starkist tuna cans everywhere, for
the love of God. Smells like. Yeah. Don't finish
that. Don't finish that. The house smells like
Goldschlager vodka and Russian wokers. Yeah.
Tony, bring that up. He loved Goldschlager. Then
when his doctor does the blood work, his metal
counts are going to be through the roof. And
mercury. Yeah. Hey, that's another thing. Metals
are in so many things that we do that absorb.
Deodorants. Most of them have aluminum. He's
aluminum. Yep. Detergents and shampoos and laundry.
So one of my doctor did a toxicity test on me
and went through the full spectrum. And he was
like, man, you're high in all these different
levels. And then he suggested these changes.
I did them. And six months later, I had another
blood test. And I saw how much of them dropped.
So myself and a bunch of me and Greg's friends,
I went down a real rabbit hole on this of whole
home water filtration. And so I have a young
son. And if you look, if you graph male testosterone
from our. grandfather's generation to our generation
it's a straight downward slope and so that hits
on a number of different levels one of which
is we started a huge experiment on the female
population in the 1960s of taking birth control
all of our water is reclaimed water so when you
know your gray water leaves your house it goes
to a reclamation center they filter out the the
urine they filter out the poop And then they
send it back to you. What they don't filter out
is ethanol estradiol, which is what is in birth
control. And so that's coming back to the entire
population. That's why young girls are starting
their periods way too soon. Is it because they're
drinking it or they're absorbing it through showers?
Yes. And all of us are. And it's not just our
young girls. That's why I'm getting these breasts?
Absolutely. Part of it. I knew it. I knew. So
was it me. It's someone else's fault. There's
actually 71 reasons why. Are they sensitive?
Yeah, exactly. Very large aerial moon pies. But
this is affecting all of us. And it's not just
our water. It's also the phthalates in all of
our soaps and detergents. And that's what Greg
was about to talk about. And it's also the chemicals
that are in our food. And it's all of this stuff.
Put a whole home water filtration system on my
house, changed up all my soaps, all my detergents,
all the things that my kid's touching so that
it's not plastics, it's not the phthalates, it's
not the ethanol estradiol in the water system.
And, you know, hopefully he'll turn out to be
a doctor or something. But you only brought up
one. I mean, surely there's more. I mean, what
about the fluoride? Oh, you mean things in the
water, yeah. Oh, there's a whole lot. And you've
got forever chemicals that your liver doesn't
filter out, too. Microplastics. I mean, is that
coming through our system, too? I'm assuming
it is. Well, you're even getting that from Tupperware
and storage containers. Yeah. So we got rid of
all the plastic in our house. So everything that
we eat is either out of glass or metal. Everything
we try to, nothing should have a barcode on it,
that kind of thing. And that's kind of hard because
when you go to the grocery store. Yeah. You know.
These guys are so idiots. I mean, imagine you
go to these grocery stores and we don't have
the plastic bags to give you your groceries in.
I was like, you dumb motherfucker. I got a plastic
jug of milk. You gave me my meat in plastic and
all this shit's in plastic and you're giving
me shit because I'm putting a plastic bag in
and taking it home. No, it's hard to miss out.
And, you know, obviously, don't leave it in a
hot car in Texas. Yeah, don't microwave your
foods on the internet. Yeah. They say it's microwave
safe. Yeah, it's not. And, you know, I always
made fun of the hippies for all this. Yeah, no,
seriously. I did, too. I used to literally tease
these guys I knew that were talking about this.
Yeah, right. Like, organic schmorgan. Come on.
Right. And now I've learned that, ooh. These
guys actually had it right. Well, I've gotten
into doing a lot of my own food. I grind my own
meat. Oh yeah. I'll buy a big brisket and I'll
grind it. Yeah, absolutely. So I'm starting to
get along that path. Here we go. Actually, they
get to eat all that. They get to eat my meal.
I subscribe to the real man. His meat is very
girthy. Do you do any hunting? No hunting. I'd
like to. He hunts Kroger for the best steels.
He was very successful. No, I was not successful.
Because it's not a real animal. It's mythical.
Well, that's a fun hobby where you could put
some organic meat in your freezer to feed your
family with. Well, you've had, what, four years
in yours? I could tell my wife that. I don't
want to talk about it. Yeah, there's an organic
meat joke for your wife to insert there. I just
renamed your thing freezer. My organic meat in
there. All right, look, we're jumping the shark
here. We're going to talk about our whiskey of
the day, the whiskey of the second half. Jump
in there, Paul. Tell us. Yeah, this is, okay,
so this is the Rebel Distillers Collection bourbon
whiskey. It's weeded. It is a weeded. It's a
weeded bourbon. So yeah, it's a, wow, it is 56
.5%. So 113, right? 113 proof. 113 proof. Does
it taste 113 proof to you guys? Does it taste
strong? Not really, man. Look at her face. Not
at all. I just pooped a little. That is no slouch.
All right. So this came from Luxro Distillers.
Correct. In Bardstown, Kentucky. Very nice. I
got to tell you, when Luxro was putting out some
of the first stuff, I wasn't on board with it.
But last week and this week with Luxro, I'm kind
of impressed. I like this. I do, too. I'm a fan
of this. And this is a single barrel. When I
first took the – when I said it at the very beginning
of the podcast, that first pool I took off, I
did not care for it. It was very stringent to
me. But it's opened up, and it's much, much better.
By chance, has it become defiantly smooth, like
it says on the bottle? It actually did. Because,
like I said, the first pool I had was very stringent
to me. It was not easy to drink. I think it's
outstanding. And this is a store pick from Liquor
King. So if you guys don't, look, if you guys
are bourbon whiskey enthusiasts, People out there
listening, if you're at Total Wine or Liquor
King or whatever is your preferred whiskey vendor,
go for the store picks. If there's a store pick,
they may cost a couple bucks more, but they have
a jam -packed fill. They're typically better.
And these people that go to these distilleries
and they pick out barrels, they know what they're
doing. Yeah, there's a reason why it's a hemp.
Yeah, they know what they're doing. So trust
them on it. Small batch stuff is good for just
regular stuff. Hey, look, I need a bottle of
Maker's Mark. I need a bottle of Crown. I need
a bottle of Jack Daniels. That's all just blended
stuff that's normal, hits the mark every single
time. If you get a store pick, that's something
special. It's a barrel pick. Or a small batch
pick that's specific. We've had a lot of success.
Rare characters. We have a few store picks out
there. And they're also methylated with high
ND3, I think. You don't even need the methylation
test for that. Is this going to metabolize correctly?
I think so. I'm going to go over the... Aromas
and stuff real quick. Did you guys want to do
that? Rubble Distillers Collection 113 Proof
features tasty notes of caramel, vanilla, bacon,
spices like cinnamon and allspice and oak. The
palate is generally described as having honey,
butter, corn, and dried fruit notes with a finish
that is warm and can have hints of black pepper
and dry oak. As a weeded bourbon, it provides
a softer, sweeter profile compared to a rye forward
bourbon. Does it have the mash bill on there?
It does not have the mash pool. I'm just curious
how high the weed is. It's guaranteed to... Does
it have the mash pool on there? It does not.
Tell you what, the cinnamon, I definitely picked
up the cinnamon on this. And I think it was maybe
the pepper that got me that first pool that I
had. You know what's queer? And it's just...
odd or something it's just we talk about this
a lot you know when whenever we see something
um and we're talking about taste or smells or
something it's just like you know i just i read
that you know buttered corn and it's just like
i would have never came up with buttered corn
but now that i taste it it puts it in your head
yeah it's fucking buttered corn i mean is the
power suggestion but there it is it's there i
could taste it and also not like corn on the
cob you know You just need Gary Busey and buttered
sausage. I do get some buttered sausage. That
guy, he's such a nut, man. What the hell? Buttered
sausage? Oh, man, he's a fucking nut. Man, I'll
tell you a quick story. Look up Busey buttered
sausage. I'll give you a quick story about Gary
Busey. I worked at the Four Seasons Resort, and
he was staying in one of the villas out there,
and he brought a hooker. Back to the villa with
him. And she was having her period, and he thought
he killed her. And called security, and it was
a big freaking ordeal. I hope he's not married.
Is he married? Because he listens to our podcast.
Well, you know, him and his buttered sausage.
So, Gary Busey, butter sauce revealed. Series
of internet memes. Go to the videos and pull
up the video. Let's talk about your cable ace
award. Let's talk about buttered sausage. Talk
about buttered sausage, where it comes from,
what it does, why is it doing what it's doing,
get it out of my face. Is he high? Of course
he is. That's not Gary Busey. Who is that? Is
that AI? No, it's just some guy doing a spoof.
That's not really Gary Busey? No, it's not. I
always thought that was Gary Busey. He's like
an impersonator? Yeah, he is. That's incredible.
He didn't blink once. Oh, my God. Wow. Is that
AI or something? No, no. There's this guy that
does this knockoff of him, and he did this video
on this interview there, and it went online.
I bet you he's the guy that was at your Four
Seasons. No, that was real. That was real. No,
I'll tell you who's - That was in 1996, 97. I'll
tell you who's banned from the Four Seasons.
Go on. Was he really? No, he was banned. He got
banned from the Four Seasons after that. Gary
Busey did. Oops. Oh, you're trying to think of
him? No, the pilot actor guy. He's a pilot. He's
got the jumbo jets. John Travolta. Travolta's
banned from getting massages. Where did you hear
that? From the spa manager at the Four Seasons
in Irving. That's it. I was working there at
that time. Dude, that seems to be an epidemic.
That was a long ass time ago. There were two
massage therapists that were just arrested. up
in prosper oh for yeah for inappropriate dude
what is the epidemic about going to massages
and and it's the old rub and tug man that's that's
that's a new look look i know most men out there
that get a massage need to really just Let it
all out. Have it all released. It's called the
happy ending. Well, Travolta wasn't getting them
from female massage therapists. That was the
weird thing. That was the weird thing. He was
requesting a male, and it was deep tissue. And
then there's a Swedish deep tissue. Again, allegedly.
Allegedly. Allegedly, all I know is allegedly
he was banned from getting massages there. No,
it's not alleged. I can verify right now I was
there. I read the memo. The internal memo. Did
they, like, staple his Scientology card to it,
the memo? Is he in Scientology? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, big time. You know, good for him because
I don't hear shit about it. I think their membership
has kind of dropped off a little bit. He made
a movie. That movie he made, Battlefield Earth,
that just tanked, was based off of Scientology.
Yeah. Battlefield Earth was written by L. Ron
Hubbard. Let's do the rating real quick. For
the Rebel... For the 115 or 113 proof range,
that's in some good company. Yeah. I'm going
to give it a 7 .9. I'm not that high. Oh, gosh.
I'm going to give it a 6 .8. 6 .8? I was going
6 .7. I'm going 6 .5. Damn. And I'm not a raider
over here. You know what? I'm new for your rating
system, but that's what I'm going to come up
with. I think you're there. Yeah. I think you're
there. Sounds fair. 6 .5. Yeah. Fair enough.
Fair enough. I give it a high rating. I don't
know. Well, you like it. That's all that matters.
Hey, nothing wrong with that. Yeah. I got some
water here. It's plain old water if anybody wants
some. I mean, I've had worse. Well, I'm thinking
it's boosting your flora right now, Sean. That
may be why you're having that kind of emotional
experience. The flora is thirsty. Is it fermented?
Fermented. Fermented. Well, I'll tell you what.
We went to Kubi's German grocery store, Ford
slash restaurant in Dallas. Kubi's, if you don't
know, I love German food. Grew up, not grew up,
but I lived there for six, seven years. I just
like the German pommes frites, the sausages.
So we went there, and we bought a bunch of food,
and we got a couple containers of the big sauerkraut.
Why didn't you let me know? I would have gone
down. Tara, how did the doctors appoint you?
Oh, down there? Oh, yeah. It was just one of
those things. You were busy. You were working.
Hey, you know how the Germans make their sausage.
You know what kind of meat they're using, right?
Oh, no. All kinds. They're using wild boar. It's
not domesticated. Nice. Yeah. In fact, the Germans
buy a ton of wild boar out of Texas. There's
a big market. There's a lot of people around
Texas that are trapping hogs and selling them,
and they're all going to Galveston, hitting the
boat, and going to Germany. They're being sold.
Are they shooting them from a helicopter? If
you were with me last weekend, you did. Did you
go to that one? So, yeah, I'm coming off of a
helicopter hunt from this last weekend. I'm still
probably - I'm glowing from it. You can play
some Tchaikovsky in the background. That's got
to be the ultimate man experience. Man, it was.
Were you shooting in .50 cal? No, no, no, no,
no. Was it shotgun? So I do a lot of hog hunting
in general. That's kind of what my - It's what
excites me. It's got more skin in the game than
just sitting in a blind shooting at deer. It
can actually kill you if you're on the ground.
Yeah, there's skin on the game. You've got to
get your kill in. If not, they can turn around
and come at you. They're not the friendliest
of animals. In fact, they're rather vicious,
angry little creatures. Yeah, those are the reasons
why their magazine counts so high. That's exactly
right. You've got to take them all down. Well,
it's a pandemic here in Texas. We went from a
few pigs that got out from domesticated farms,
and now we're sitting on the range of three and
a half. to four and a half million not quite
sure i mean every sow gives birth to anywhere
between 16 to 24 piglets in a year they have
two gestation parents that's a losing battle
i can tell you yeah it's a lot so i mean there's
a there's a lot of pigs in texas it's grown out
of control this is for germany it's good for
germany it's good for sausage buttered sausage
do you eat the board you shoot yeah sometimes
like I don't at first I ate everything like I
was into it and I was shooting and keeping everything
and making sausage and all my friends had full
freezers that's not true that's a myth that is
that I can bust right here exactly I fantastic
I'll describe it to you, all right? Here's the
difference between store -bought pork and wild
pork. So let me give an example of dry -aged
beef, right? You dry -age the beef to remove
moisture so there's less moisture content, more
muscle strand content, so you have more of a
protein flavor. So you taste more of that beef
-rich protein in dry -aged beef, right? That's
how I would describe wild boar. It has more of
that protein flavor in it than store -bought.
It's naturally desiccated. Yeah, it's like store
-bought is corn -fed, fattened up just for the
sale and the slaughter. Wild boars foraging on
whatever, right? It's a leaner meat. Free range.
Yeah, it's free range. Well, I mean, there's
some nasty characters. They'll eat anything.
They'll eat themselves. They'll eat trash. They'll
eat roots. They'll eat whatever. They do. They're
opportunists. They are special creatures. They're
crazy. But the meat is actually fantastic. I
mean, you can look like I'll shoot a pig and
I'll look at it and I can tell if it's like jacked
up. Like you can see sores and you can see problems
with it. And it's like, yeah, don't touch that.
Yeah. But otherwise, it's going to be pretty.
As long as you're using clean techniques, gloves,
and sanitary to cut it and keep the meat and
process it, right? So I do all my own processing.
I learned to do that as a kid, and so I don't
go to a taxidermist to have meat processed. I
do it myself. So I cut it from the field, right?
If I'm going to keep something, I keep the choice,
cut some meat. I just cut it across the backstrap.
I don't even feel dressed as pigs anymore. There's
no need to gut it. Just cut the back of it down,
pull off some of the hide, and then cut some
backstrap and shoulder meat. Especially if you're
killing enough of them. Bam. Yeah. Put some of
that fat, drop it in a Ziploc. It's in the cooler.
It's on the grill or in the freezer that night.
Damn. Oh, yeah. That sounds awesome. And you
can hunt it 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
All you need is a hunting license. So I've got
a suppressed rifle. I've got infrared scopes.
And I'm out there like suited. Where are you
doing all this? Well, I got a lease that I lease
out for deer hunting. They let me do it year
round. I had a piece of property in West Texas
that I did for years as well, but now I'm out
in East Texas. I got a lease out there. Okay,
we're doing a Dudes Like Us outing. You guys
are welcome to. You guys are welcome. I'm being
serious. You want to shoot a pig? I would freaking
love that. I'll take you out to shoot a pig.
I'll put you on some pig and get some rounds
down range. You want to get a kill in? Hell yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah. No, we'll knock them down, and
then we can eat it if you want. I'm so willing
to eat it. And the meat is fantastic. In fact,
I make a breakfast sausage that I've given out
to many people. And every single one of them
has said the same thing. That's the best breakfast
sausage I ever put in my mouth. Damn. And my
kids will slop it up. They won't eat anything
else wild game. Not even a fish I caught. But
they will eat wild boar breakfast sausage if
I make it. Because it's pretty darn good. So
we went on this helicopter hunt this last week.
I went with some guys at work. And we did this
helo hunt just west of Fort Worth out on this
ranch. It was like a 3 ,800 acre ranch. And got
this. helicopter pilot that brings his chopper
out. He drives it in on a trailer and takes it
off from the trailer, lands it on there and everything.
Brings in gas and everything and right in there
refuels it. Doors all the way off. We're strapped
in and basically leaning out the side. And man,
this guy's a shark, man. He's going out there
and herding them and getting them out in the
right spot and we're just taking them down. And
what are you shooting? Like, pigs. No, no, no.
What's your weapon? Oh, so I used, he suggested,
I had a 6 .5 Creedmoor. 6 .5 Creedmoor. Okay.
This is what I brought with me, and then I brought
my .300 Blackout because I always keep a night
scope on it, and that's just my night hunting
gun only. Okay. But I brought my 6 .5, and he
suggested, like, several guys brought .308s,
and one brought a .300 Win Mag, and he's like,
man, you guys should probably use the .223, .556
NATO round on that. One guy brought a whole bunch
of rifles with him. He's like, hey, man, I got
.556s for everybody. Basically ARs. Yeah. Yeah.
It's on an AR platform. Yeah. M4, basically.
So he handed out rifles to all of us, and we
just used his. Oh, fun. Man, I was taking them
down. I mean, we knocked down almost 135. I think
the pilot counted 135 is what we took down. I
probably had the lion's share of it because I
was on point. I was knocking them down. I got
a video of it, too. I could probably afford it.
Now, do you leave them just laying there? Most
of them, you're dead. You're laying there, or
do you go back and collect them? Yeah, you're
not landing and collecting them. This is ecology.
You got the birds and the bugs. That's what I
mean. It's a circle of life is what's going on.
We're feeding. You feed the other hogs. You're
just accelerating the circle of life. Yeah, absolutely.
It was an amazing experience. I can't wait to
do it again. We're going to go back next time.
Did you go down and collect any of them for your
freezer? Oh, hell no. Most of them are in pieces.
I'm trying to get back to my deer lease before
the deer season gets to take down as many as
I can so that I can get some of the pig population
curbed. There's absolutely no shortage. No, there's
no shortage. We've got millions of pigs in Texas.
We've got enough pigs in Texas. If we had partnered
with the state and did a hunting program, we
could feed everybody in the state with it. Nice.
Absolutely. That is insane. Yeah. Dude, that
sounds awesome. Yeah, it's fun. It's a lot of
fun. Well, it sounds like they could have harvested
those pigs and sent them off to Germany. Yeah.
Probably could have made some money on that.
Well, they like to buy them live. So you've got
to trap them live and you've got to sell them
live. You kind of let that off the wellness tip.
You've got to go out and kill them. you know,
wild boars. It's a, it's a pretty big point.
That's a good way to boost that testosterone
level and build, knock up the notches of the
bad -ass level. Absolutely. You do it, dude.
Oh, that's the best. Took her right. Hold on.
Not that kind of hunt. I mean, I'm not, I'm not
saying I have it. I'm just saying. That was back
in the good old days. Last year. He's all like
grease painted up. Oh, the good old days of 2024.
Dude, it's been such a pleasure having you guys
on the podcast. Thank you so much. Thank you.
Nice good time. You guys have a good time? Had
a great time. Best podcast I've been on. I would
love for you guys to come out again. For sure.
I would love to. We want to talk more about what
you guys got going on because what you got going
on is admirable and it's something that needs
to It's what every dude like us needs to hear,
man. We've got to take charge of our health,
our mortality. We've got to take care of our
health, but we've also got to take care of...
fellow men and take care of those kids out there
like fathers we're missing fathers and we got
to talk about it we got to share the conversation
and we got to get this going and let's get our
country back on track one boy one man at a time
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