Oh, yeah. Second half. Is that your walkie -talkie?
Yeah, that's the... What an asshole. Remember
that movie, Convoy? Convoy. Was that with...
Jerry Reed. It's awful. Oh, that one. Yeah, the
way back when. I recently heard the song because
I had never really heard it before. It's awful.
Yes. Well, there's two. It's awful. He was the
trucker in Smoking the Bandit. It goes on forever,
and it's really painful, that song. You know
what also is painful? The fact that we are on
the second half, coincidentally, of 2025. We
are. Effective today. Officially, yeah. What
is the halfway point? What is the halfway day?
I know month -wise. July 1st. Is it? I don't
know if that's correct. I mean, if you're going
to divide the days. If you're doing months, yes,
we've finished six months, but February only
has 28 days. You know, it's so weird. So you
need to be exact. The whole calendar is jacked
up. July 2nd, so tomorrow. If you think about
it, you know. Why is the calendar divided up
into what it is? Blame the Romans. It was the
Romans, but it should be four weeks. I mean,
it's so fucked up. Yes, we should have four,
what is it, 52 divided by four? 13 months. Yeah.
Why do they fuck that up? It's so stupid. 13's
a bad number. Do you want to know the exact halfway
point? July 2nd. July 2nd. At noon. Yes. Noon
tomorrow. July 2nd at noon. Okay. All right,
well, it's July 1st for the second half of the
podcast. As we're almost encroaching the second
half of 2025, we've got probably about 14 hours,
right? Still Canada Day. 15 hours. It's still
Canada Day. Well, it is. It is. I'm Sean. I'm
Paul. I'm Jeff. Jackie Mack. Jeff was alive and
well for this. I was. I did not stroke. Yes.
Yes. Hallelujah. Canada Day. What was she asking
for? You were like really in depth with that.
Oh, no. My wife just texted me right at the same
time you did that, so I looked, and there was
a pregnant pause. Totally. I'm Sean. I'm Paul.
Chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp. Crickets. Yeah, total
cricket. We got a jam -packed second half of
the Dudes Like Us podcast. If you're wondering
what we are all about, well, we are three dudes
that hung out. for a very long time as friends.
And we decided it was going to be a fun idea
to pick up some stuff and start. People were
like, you should do a podcast. So we started
doing it. Just kind of randomly picked up some
pieces of microphones and speakers and started
putting it all together. The chemistry that the
dudes like us guys have, we're all from different
parts of the world. We just, you know, we kind
of figured it out. Paul, we all have different
frequencies. Jeff has a very deep voice and Paul's
got the very high tenor. So I don't have like
big. Amen. Adam's apple? I don't know why. What
are you talking about? That's ridiculous that
you say that, Sean. I don't understand that at
all. He has a very effeminate voice is what you're
saying. I didn't say that. I don't believe that.
What an asshole. High energy. Oh, shit, man.
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illegally. Okay, so... You know, I got to tell
you, today started off kind of weed whacked for
me, man. You know, well, actually, I was getting
ready. Normal thing, right? I like to go and
do my, I'm a guy, I'm a creature of habit. I
have to do things, I'm very OCD. I have to do
things a certain way. Or I'm like Rain Man. I'm
just like, hey, Judge Wapney, Judge Wapney. And
I'm freaking just like banging my head against
the door. So this morning, you know, I'm brushing
my teeth and I've got my phone. I'm watching
Fox News and I'm doing my, I get a phone call,
right? And I'm discombobulated. Oh, I've got
to answer the phone because it was like someone
I recognized and it was important. And I dropped
my fracking phone in the sink. And water's like
just pummeling it. Not just on the phone itself,
but right into the orifice where you stick your
dick. Yes. Whoa. What just happened here? Whoa.
Okay, we were talking about cell phones. Just
took a turn. Okay. Back on track. So walk us
through your morning routine again? I was brushing
my teeth. Yeah. And the water was running. Here's
where that stare comes in. The water was running.
It was. Oh, my gosh. And something about the
orifice. Wow. I think my dick hole is bigger
than that hole. That was too far. Too far. So,
I mean, look. So, immediately, I'm like a frazzle.
I just take the phone. I'm like, shit. I got
to all stop. All systems down. I stop brushing
my teeth. Set the toothbrush. I got to. toothpaste
coming down my mouth. I don't give a shit. Take
my phone out. I got the towel out. You're panicking,
yeah. I'm not panicking. But look, and the reason
where I'm going with it, it turns out my phone's
okay. I had some challenges. I'm going to have
to get probably a new phone because there were
some issues with the processing speed today because
I had to do my job, which requires, in some circumstances,
taking pictures. And the pictures, the camera
itself, it would freeze. And I have to hold it
there for like two, three seconds before it unfreezes.
And I'm not sure if that's something that will
go away. I may have fried something. I don't
know. But I do know that I'm going to go home
tonight and I'm going to download everything
I have on here just to make sure that everything's
safe, that I'm going to go get a new fucking
phone because I can't. This just brings it up.
This is how important phones are in our everyday
life now. And I know Jeff doesn't share that.
God bless them. You know, that is awesome because
you're in an environment with your work and life
balance where that's not an issue with you. Most
of the people on the planet, they're tied in
with so many different components. Even when
I was working and I had all my work on my phone,
if my phone crapped out, I'd get on in the morning
and say, hey, my phone's dead. You can't reach
me. There may be a delay. I'd let all my guys
know. I have to charge it. Right. And I would
let them know. And I'd be like, you know, it's
going to be. It went dead. I don't know what
happened. You know, I'm trying to get it to work.
Otherwise, I'll get the new phone in the next
day or two kind of a thing. Right. Now, I know
there's other jobs that are much more dependent
on their phones. But, you know, I did a lot of
work on that. You know, when I was, I'd log off
at the, you know, 5, 6 o 'clock. Doesn't mean
work stopped. I'd sit there. On the sofa, and
I'd work on my phone. Yep. Checking email. But
there's a different layer, different levels of
the dependencies that these funds work as one
aspect. You have the dopamine effect. You've
got entertainment value. The death roll. You
know, the social media stuff where you just sit
there and just purge. You know, just one after
another. You've got, you know, I listen to everything.
I listen to podcasts. I listen to the news. There's
everything. Your phone, how many hours out of
the day do you do something on your phone? A
lot of it is reading books. I read my book. Escapism.
Well, I think, again, I don't do the social media
thing, so I don't get stuck on that, but I do
get stuck on reading my book. I do that a lot.
So most of my time is sitting there reading my
book. Well, that's a good reason. But it's still
a reason. And that's what I'm getting at is that
we've become dependent on these little freaking
devices. But I can do away with that. I can go
buy the book. Yeah. I mean, again, you can, but
you're not the general population. You are a
small, blessed faction that I wish I could be.
So I'll do an example. How many people could
go on vacation for a week and leave their phone
at home? I would love to. I could. How many people
could do that? I would love to. I'd love to,
but I can't because I have responsibilities that
require me to check things. Let's say your work
said, absolutely not, you will not work at all.
I will leave my phone behind. You would, and
you would still be okay. And you would still
be okay. Gone. So yours is 100 % workable. That's
one thing that the VP I reported to was really
good at. He was like, if you're on vacation,
I don't want to hear from you. You're not going
to hear from me. You're on your personal time.
Don't think about work. So I could have left
my phone at home. How many years ago? That is
just not the way. That was back in 2017. Yeah,
2017. That's a long time ago. It is. Everything
has changed. There's just a certain level of
expectation. And mine is not just work. I think
you have to set those expectations. I think you're
lucky if you get to set those. I think a lot
of those, I think a lot of these businesses progress
and they go up the evolution ladder. You get
these bean counters that go in and describe what
Jackie is saying. Jackie, go on. Oh. Oh, did
we distract you in the middle of the text? I'm
still. I'm still negotiating with my daughter.
You're still looking at boots with your... No,
we're not looking at boots anymore. We're talking
about money. She needs money. You know, that's
how that... But, you know, I think the demand
for most businesses now, it's just like, you
know, there are smart people out there that are
working with these different businesses. I don't
want to say smart, but there's a system out there
with businesses that are designed to bean count
and not use bean counters because they just...
grunch up every penny that a business does and
they try to trim the fat here and there and they
start having higher expectations and you're right
it was easier five years ago 10 years ago than
it is right now because of technology because
of ai because of all these you know kpis you
know with work i had all that bullshit it's just
different now how I haven't been out of work
that long. No, I'm just saying from five years
or ten years ago, KPIs didn't exist for me. They
did for me, my entire career. Well, I don't think
that... Let's get back on track, because I liked
where you were going initially. You were talking
about how important our phones are to us. Correct.
So let's carve out the work side of it. I think
if we have a job... Every job's different. Yeah,
every job is different. And let's take the work
part out of it because I think some of us have
jobs where we have to be attached to the phone
because of work. I see Sean's. Yeah, I do too.
You have to be attached to your phone at work.
So let's remove the work aspect. How many people
in this world can literally... go on a vacation
and be totally fine leaving their phone behind.
I would have abandoned my phone. Just from a
personal perspective. I don't even believe that.
Yeah, Jack Mack, what do you got? I got a, that's
a no -go for everyone. So if you just look at
just how... As long as I have a camera. Okay,
so back to the phone. So if you look at, let's
use just teenagers right now. I saw prom pictures
and prom just details and photos. And every photo
has every kid holding their phone. Absolutely.
They're gripping it. Yep. You know, we're all
gripping it. And I do use my phone for work a
lot. But I probably use where my phone says,
hey, girl, you spent nine hours. On your phone
doing something that is social media, some type
of engagement. It lines it out. You've spent
X amount of time using this app. So it lines
up like the top three or four or five amount
of times that you spent with different apps.
And it says, hey, you spent 18 hours looking
at Netflix in the last week. And it goes right
down the line. Yeah, yeah. And it's not even
weekly. So mine gives me a daily report. Yeah,
mine's daily as well. Yeah, mine's daily. And
it lets me know. You haven't cleaned the garage
in four years. You haven't cleaned your garage
in four years, but you spent 72 hours this week
on social media. On nothing. On stupid stuff.
Frankly, it's sad. It's degrading. I could easily
go back to a time without cell phones. I have
no problem for that. Yeah, I agree. I wish I
could, unfortunately. Well, we're not going to.
I can't. I think I'm an oddity because I don't...
do that shit. I mean, there's a couple things
on there. If I watch TV, I'll research something
because I want to know. I don't think that's
right. Let me go research it. So you don't get
your news source from your phone, apparently.
Like news. Well, I do. I look at Fox News or
something. That's my biggest thing. 95 % is checking
out news and I go to different news sites one
after another. I get on in the morning and then
maybe I'll get on later at night. The whole spirit
of this phone conversation is addiction. I bring
it to the dopamine addiction because it is. It's
dopamine. It doesn't matter if it's news, social
media, books, whatever it is. Instant information.
I'm sitting here. I've got five minutes to spare.
I'm going to read a book. I've got five minutes
to spare. I'm going to do Instagram. I've got
five minutes. I'm going to do this. I'm going
to do that. It's there. It is crazy. I freaking
freaked out. I remember the last time I damaged
my phone for whatever reason it was. Immediately
go to the store and immediately buy another one.
The amount of money. The thought of going with
no phone for two days is like, okay, that's not
going to work. That's a fairly new phone too,
isn't it? It is fairly new. Do you have insurance?
Excuse me. I do have insurance. That doesn't
usually cover water damage. It can. It does,
but you can get a refurbished phone, but at a
certain point, I don't even subscribe to that
kind of crap. I'll buy a new phone because with
what I do, I know a specific phone that I want.
I have to have a phone that has a great camera,
and I need a phone that I can read documents.
And I find that the older that I get, the more
my eyes need that. Unlike Paul. They need to
be able to see font, you know? Unlike Paul who
can read from across the room. I mean, I can
read that too, but the point is when you're in
the car and you're, you know, they have a phone
that looks just like a regular phone, but you
open it up and all of a sudden it's like a double
the size. It's like big, yeah. And so I'm looking
at getting that and at first I was kind of like,
yeah, you know, I don't want that. Well, you
know what? It's for what I do. It's worth it.
We'll work. No. That sucks. They won't cover
part of it? Well, okay. So with my job, they
pay X amount of dollars a month for phone. Oh,
that's nice. And they pay X amount of dollars
a month for allowance for cars. That's nice.
That's nice. Yeah. So do they pay? Yeah, they
will. Okay. But it's indirect. It's part of that.
It's not like you go buy it and go, all right,
I just spent $1 ,200. Here's my submission. Yeah,
I'm probably going to spend right around there
to get what I want. That's crazy. But that's
what we all pay. I mean, honest to goodness,
we have a computer in our pocket. We do. And
it's super dependent. I mean, look, these things
are amazing, and we spend so much time on it,
doing whatever it is that we're doing. We spend
so much time on it. We're listening to music.
I mean, there's so much that it does. I think
it's also added to some of the challenges. the
world today, especially, I think it's generational
as well. I think they're young kids, like you
mentioned, the proms and the high school, and
maybe even our kids. I think our kids may have
been on the outside of it, but I think these
kids, these Gen Z folks, they have a hard time.
interacting with people yes because they're in
their phones so much and they're not having conversations
with humans yeah they think that that's relationship
right so but they don't know any different so
that's kind of their point of reference ours
has been all along we get together and we hang
out and we talk to each other and i'd rather
do that i'd rather put my phone to the side any
day and have a conversation and sit in a room
with people Yeah. Right. That's not how I remember
before FaceTime, seeing the kids in the mall
all sitting on the benches. Oh, yeah. Oh, texting
each other. Yeah. Texting each other. Not talking.
Sitting right next to him. Yeah, but I remember
like going to the mall when we were younger to.
Search for women, girls, I should say. The opposite
sex of our age. Now it's just completely different.
We spoke about this a couple podcasts ago, the
Kessler syndrome. A part of me hopes Kessler
syndrome is satellites in space. catastrophically
happen out there, it would block the signals
from being able to be transferred. Basically,
it's a chain reaction. The satellites, if one
breaks, they... It would destroy all the satellites.
So that would disrupt a lot of what we got going
on with the phones. And I'm thinking, fuck, man,
that might be good. Can you imagine having us
fucked up for six months? And what that would
do? We would start eating each other. I don't
know. We didn't do a really great job. Well,
the Kessler syndrome is 20 to 30 years minimum.
Oh. Well, I think that - To fix all that? Yes.
I think that what it would do is it would open
up opportunity for some of these addictions to
subside. And people would start doing - Looking
at each other and talking? Yeah. I think that,
yes. I think it'd be a positive thing. But I
tell you - And Texas just passed cell phones
are no longer allowed in the classroom in school.
Yeah, I like that. I just heard that too. How
are they going to do that? They got to keep them
in their bags, I guess. I don't know. No, I think
they have to check them in when they walk into
the classroom. You probably have a spot for it.
So you turn it in and check it in. That's what
I asked my wife. She's a teacher. I was like,
what's the solution? Because Frisco was actually
already looking at doing this. Talking about
it, I think Richardson has already implemented
something. And I told her, I was like, I think
the best way is for each class to have like a
cubby. Yep. And each kid is assigned a number.
Your first day, you have slot one. Every day,
you stick your phone in there. Boom. That's exactly
what it is. They would lose their shit. I just
did an inspection. Oh, it's going to happen.
It needs to happen. I just did an inspection
at a property last week, and that's exactly what
they had, what Jeff described. There was a piece
of fabric on the wall, and on the wall, there
were these little pockets, and there were like
50 of them. And you go in there, and you put
your shit in there, and you go down, and the
kids will sit there at their desk, and they've
got their watch, and they're like. Right. Because
they're Bluetoothing straight to it, so they're
going to beat the system. They're always going
to beat the system. They'll have a pair of Samsung
glasses, and they'll be recording shit. If I
was a teacher, I'd be like, you can keep your
watches, but if I see you use it, your watch
is going in there with it. God, that would drive
me nuts as a teacher. Well, the thing is... To
have them not just be distracted the whole damn
time. Well, the thing is, it's out of the teachers.
It's state law now. Yeah, it should be. So now
it's easy for these districts who wanted to do
this anyway because the parents were actually
the ones who were bitching the most. Well, how
am I going to be able to get a hold of my kid
at 1 o 'clock on a school day? Well, do you need
to? Well, you reach out to the school. Yeah.
How did your parents do it when you were in school?
Yeah, they put smoke signals. You know? 100%.
You don't need to get hold of your kid at 24
hours a day. You raise a great point. So we were
the first generation of parents to try to figure
out how are we going to handle the technology
with our little kids? Like, when do we introduce
them to the iPod and then the iPad? And when
do we get them their first phone, right? And
everybody was hunkering down and being like,
no way, I'm not going to let them have a phone
until, you know, their blah, blah, blah, blah
age, right? But then... The age where they start
going over to a friend's house or they go out
with friends. Maybe they're driving now. They're
16, 17 years old. And suddenly the parents are
like, I need to know where they are. I need to
make sure that if they're in an accident, they
can call me. And then suddenly they cave. And
they're like, okay, you can have a phone because
I need to know where you are. I think there's
a couple things going on that kind of play into
that. And I think the times are different. I
think there is... Is that my phone going off
nonstop? I apologize if that's making a noise.
It's waterlogged. Is it beeping? It's beeping,
and I'm trying to shut it off. So my point is
that 15, 20 years ago, times were different.
I don't know if it's the fact that we have the
news that we do now where everything is reported.
I think it is. This child just got kidnapped,
and then we're... We're more informed of what's
going on at the time of something that occurred,
you know, 1 ,500 miles away. Is that the reason?
Or is it the, you know, I don't know. In my opinion,
yes, because it's 24 -7 news. 20 years ago, it
was still 24 -7 news 20 years ago. Yeah. But
it wasn't on your phone, so you weren't seeing
it 30 times a day. Absolutely. It's freaking
parents out. And I think the bad shit has always
happened. You just didn't know about it. And
when we were kids, we didn't give a shit, so
we never paid attention to that anyway. Our parents
basically, get out of the house, it's 8 a .m.,
I don't want to see you until dinner kind of
a thing. Absolutely. That's the way my parents
were. They're like, get out. Go play. Make a
peanut butter and jelly sandwich, wrap it in
tinfoil, get yourself something to drink and
get out of here. But now it's different. It's
complemented with a bunch of THC products, vapes.
But the thing is, that's our generation that's
doing that to their kids. Yeah. So I think that's
weird that we had free reign to do whatever the
fuck we wanted. Now we're the helicopter parents.
Yeah. Completely opposite to that. But we knew
what we did, so we don't necessarily know what
we did. Well, I know what I did, and I expect
my boys to do the same. And they've done some
of the things that I've done, right? And I know
it. And they survived. Yeah, and the wife gets
upset. I was like, I did it too kind of a thing,
but she doesn't like to hear that. So do you
guys think it's a more dangerous world today
than it was when we were kids? I think it's different
dangerous. I think this poses a lot of danger.
I agree. That there's a lot of predators on this.
The phone, yeah. that people didn't have access
to 20 years ago. We're putting ourselves at risk
because of the phone. Well, I also think because
of that phone technology, I think that there
are more predators out there. There could be.
It's like scratching the surface on something
and it exposes. It's kind of like, oh, man, I
can get away with this. And by the way, now I've
got a fever. that I've got an itch that I have
to scratch. You could be right on that, that
someone who may not have been exposed to whatever
now has it in the palm of their hand. They're
like, well, I really like this. It's like you
never know you're an alcoholic until you start
drinking a lot. You're saying, okay, so there's
always been pedophiles, right? There's always
been evil people that have sick tendencies. And
so before phones, it wasn't as accessible. wasn't
always feeding their, you know, right in their
face, feeding it. Chuck, what do you look at
their face for? I'm just saying they were priests
before. Oh, that's a flag. No, but it's kind
of true. Ask the Catholic people in Boston about
that. I know, I know, I know. But I'm just saying,
okay, so what you're saying is now with the phones,
yeah. I mean, now not only can they get access
to things that they couldn't so easily, but it's
a particular. girl or boy that they can follow.
That's where it gets really scary. They can get
on Instagram or Facebook and they can see that
kid. I know when our kids were coming up, Kik
was the big one. I don't know if Kik still exists.
What is Kik? Kik was a messaging social media
thing back when our kids were in middle school.
The kids used it to talk. Then all the pedos
got on it and started contacting these kids.
So I went out and I deleted it from my kids.
I was like, that's not on your phone anymore.
I deleted it. And they bitched and moaned and
they figured something else out to how they could
talk. Well, just like Snapchat. I'm convinced
Snapchat was designed by pervs. For pervs. To
go in and take a picture of something and then...
No, it goes away. Think about it. young men and
women are being told that they can take a picture
of themselves, send it to somebody, but it's
going to go away. That's Hillary Clinton's thing.
It's going to go away. And it's anonymous. And
Hillary Clinton endorsed that. I'm like, dude,
it was designed by a perv. For that reason. Grapevine.
Was it Grapevine or it was Vines? Vines. Vines
was, Vines when it first came out was kind of
fun and then it turned into Sexpot. Yeah, I was
just like, what the fuck is going on? And my
kids have that. I was like, oh, hell no. I don't
even know what that is. It's just, it was like
Instagram. It was before Instagram. It was like
TikTok. The predecessor. Little videos. It's
just like, look, our kids are exposed. They already
know. I mean, they were doing things that I had
no idea. Like, they have video games out there
and there was one where, What is Grand Turismo?
No, no, no. Grand Theft Auto or something like
that. Wow. All right. That one they have like
raping women and then you go around and they've
got things that you beat people up. You can pick
up a bat. You can pick up a crowbar. You got
guns, shotguns, tanks, whatever. They have one
of the items that you can pick up. It is a dildo.
And it's so big. It's bigger than the freaking
bat that they have. And you go around and you
freaking beat the shit out of these people with
a dildo. My kids are playing that game. Oh, my
God. St. Sally was the same way. That's St. Sally.
Specifically, I didn't know the name of it. What
did they call it? The purple. It was a big purple
dildo. Yeah. It was like real floppy. Yeah. Boom.
Boom. Wow. I mean, at first, I was like, what
is that? Because it looks like a dildo in my
mind. And then it's a dildo. And I was like,
oh, my God. Turn it off. Turn it off. Turn it
off. Do your kids know that that's what it is?
Of course. Yes, they knew. I mean, I was shocked.
We. I was oblivious. I don't speak for you guys.
I was oblivious that this shit was going on.
Yeah, there it is. Oh. Oh, it was called the
Penetrator. The Penetrator. My goodness. It's
a hidden, hidden dildo bat weapon. Well, I tell
you what. Okay, so here's the problem. All the
kids find it. Dial it back there, Jack. That's
what I'm saying. So then it becomes a novelty.
It's like, have you found the - Saints Row, not
Saints Avenue. Yeah, have you found the dildo
weapon yet? No. Oh, where is it? Oh, I gotta
go find it. Then they're all talking to each
other. I'm telling you, the software developers,
They're sick. They're sick. They are. Didn't
you ever hear about the Disney movies that have
the little hidden clues in there? Yeah, we've
heard that. Yeah. Hell, it started off with Mickey
Mouse when he was poking holes in the cheese.
Remember that? Oh, Lord. That was doctored. That
wasn't real. So cell phones. Let's get back to
cell phones and our dependency on them. They're
very important in our day -to -day life. We need
a Jackie on our podcast to keep us alive. She's
the ombudsman. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm just
saying things. It's like the Howard Stern thing
where he always had Robin to kind of reel him
back in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody needs a
Jackie in their life. She's our parliamentarian.
No, you can't do that. I'm wearing the white
wig. I was, after the phone debacle, you know,
I'm starting to freak out a little bit. Then
I get in the car. You know, I'm heading to this
inspection that I got to go to. And I've got
a new, it's not new, but I got a new car for
me. And it came with the satellite. What is the?
They give you a little trial thing, all right?
So I've got it on their 80s rock and stuff. So
I put it on there, and I'm like. All of a sudden
the song comes up. Close your eyes. I want to
ride the skies. And I'm sitting there and I'm
like, oh my God. And I didn't even realize it
was happening. You were singing it. And I was
like fucking singing it. And then I would kind
of like caught myself. I was like, is anybody
watching me? What is going on with this? If my
friends knew I was singing that, oh my God. slew
of songs just like that that I would totally
get enamored in. I would sing my ass off of this
stuff. Hold on. What was the song that came?
I didn't recognize it. It was part of an Air
Supply song. Air Supply. I'm all out of love.
I know. I love that song. We all love that song.
And we would never admit it. You wouldn't? I
would, actually. Love on the rocks. Ain't no
surprise. Call me a dream. I'll tell you some
lies. That's Neil Diamond. That sounds good.
You're right. We should pull up. We should do
that. We should pull up a list of all the bands,
bands that men would never admit to liking. Oh,
I'm interested. That's a different list. I'm
interested. Let's do it. I mean, just off the
top of your head, name one. Sean, what would
be one you would think would be on that list?
I would say maybe some George Michael. I like
George Michael. I'm going Bee Gees. Jeff, what
do you think? I'm thinking Barry Manilow. Barry
Manilow. Jackie Mack? Totally ABBA. Y 'all know
you're singing ABBA songs, right? Okay, they
have to all be on this list. Yeah. All right,
let's see. Do you have a... Did you manage to
find a list for us? That list was fed a week.
It had like Hanson and shit like that. Okay,
hold on. There's ABBA. I see ABBA. Spice Girls.
You all like Spice Girls? Spice Girls. I see
Backstreet Boys. Yes. Yeah. NSYNC. I don't know
if that's a guy thing. You think Backstreet Boys
is like a guy thing? That's a chick thing. I
think there's some. Well, that's the whole point.
There's songs that if they came on the radio,
it'd be like, oh my God, this is so gay or whatever.
And you're singing to it. But then, yeah, then
you find yourself singing to it, right? Yeah.
I mean, I like, just tell me what you want, what
you really, really want. I'll tell you what you
want, what you really, really want. Sorry. I
love that all you guys know the song. Like the
Jonas Brothers. I don't know any music by the
Jonas Brothers. Oh, hell. I've seen you Brad
dance to that. I saw the Jonas Brothers at American
Airlines when American Airlines Center first
opened. And that was the best concert I've ever
been to in my entire life. And nothing has touched
it since. Really? The Jonas Brothers were great.
The Jonas Brothers, incredible performers. I
don't even know who they are. What? Three brothers.
Nick. Yeah. From Capel, I think. You know Nick?
Well, somewhere in Dallas. I don't know. DW area.
Capel? I thought they used to live in Capel.
I was like, dude. Look how pretty they are. Air
Supply's got to be one of those bands. It's kind
of like the movie The Bodyguard with Whitney
Houston. I will always love you. Kevin Costner.
Is that a song that resonates with you? I mean,
look, yeah. It's just like little stuff like
that. Or like Celine Dion. I'll get into a little
Celine. A little Titanic. A little Titanic action.
Yeah. Right? Okay. Are we manning? Is it like,
you know, real men wear pink? That kind of attitude?
I wear pink. I don't care. Right. I know. That
kind of attitude. I mean, how many men would
admit, like, let me put it this way. This is
actually a perfect example. My playlist is extremely
diverse. Right. All over the place. And I'll
be on the motorcycle and I'll roll up to a stop
sign or, you know, whatever, or a stoplight.
And my music will be blaring. Right. And I'm
like. And you're bawling your eyes out. Right.
I'm bawling my eyes out. And I'm like. On the
bike. Right. And I'm like. Then he's got some
little splang. Part of me is like, I'm going
to turn this down at the light. Oh, I'm not turning
it down at the light. I'm turning it up. Well,
you get away with it. But you see my point. Oh,
because I'm a girl. I could do that. But if you're
a guy, you're like. If I'm jamming Mandy. Oh,
Mandy. I mean, at the light on my motorcycle.
What was that movie? Chris Farley and David Spade.
Was it? The Carpenters. Yeah. Was that Jack?
Was it Black Sheep or Tommy Boy? Tommy Boy. David
Spade's Mustang and the doors are ripped off
and dead. deer carcass in the back i'm not gonna
change it if you don't want and the yell singing
together crying their eyes out that's exactly
that's exactly what i'm talking about okay so
then so if if that so tell me your favorite song
from one of these lists like what what would
be a favorite song that you that you absolutely
love oh boy that's a tough one yeah it is kind
of tough i mean I mean, I'm not ashamed to admit
it. I just can't think of it off the top of my
head. Well, we said Celine Dion. I absolutely
love Power of Love. That's an Air Supply song.
That's a remake. You know that? I did not know
that. Power of Love was originally Air Supply.
So it went from one band we're not allowed to
like to a singer we're not allowed to like. I
love that song, though. I love Air Supply. You've
probably heard their version. Think? Yeah. No
kidding. No kidding. You never know what to remake,
right? I did not. Oh, I know. Everybody remakes
everything, and they think it's cool because
they came up with it, but you didn't come up
with it. Right. I thought about it first. You
know, there's a lot of, I'd say Pat Benatar.
There's some slow, like Love is a Battlefield,
you know, some older classic 80s stuff. You know,
she had some ballads that are not a typical cliche
song a guy would like. Wuthering Heights. That's
one of my favorites. From Pat Benatar. You ever
heard that one? No. I probably have. That is
like the most girly song you can listen from
Pat Benatar. I can promise you. Lonely is the
night. That's a good one. Oh, that's Billy Squire.
Yeah, well, I just saw it up there. That's not
that one. Oh, is that another one? Oh, it's Air
Supply. Oh, did Air Supply do that first? I doubt
it. It's the same. No, it's not at all. All right.
It's a great song, though. That was the very
end. Air Supply's awesome, man. We just got flagged
by YouTube. Yeah, we did. For one note. Some
dude in Bangladesh. Dude, when Horseneck was
out here, you had like a second and a half or
two seconds of that song, and they flagged it.
YouTube, those guys are fracking idiots. It was
the ringtone. The Horseneck guy's ringtone was
the Titanic. No, it wasn't. Oh, you did it. That's
right. I keep forgetting that. He added it. He's
the one that caused that. Because it kept going
off, and there was a long pause. I was like,
oh, I can add something in there. What's the
cheesiest song that would make sense for that?
Yeah, you did. You did. Probably a little out
of, you know. You did. Well, Phil Collins, Tarzan
theme songs. I like the Tarzan. I've watched
that movie so many times, I almost knew all those
songs by heart. Oh, it's a great song. You know,
Boyz II Men, you know. I mean, they got boom,
boom, boom, da, da, boom, boom, boom, da, da,
da, da, da, da, da, boom, boom, boom, boom, da,
da, da, da, da, da, da, da. They have a Motown
Philly back again. But they have another one.
They have some slower ones. Poison by Belle Biv
DeVoe. Oh, yeah. Wow. I really feel like y 'all
have missed your calling. Like I'm hearing some
good pitch here. Well, you got to show up on
one of our karaoke nights, man. Oh, I forgot
that y 'all sing. We tear it up. We have fun.
Oh, we're horrible, but it's still fun. You're
horrible? At the end of the day, we just have
fun. I heard Chuck's pretty good. Chuck is good
at what? What about Linda Ronstadt? Linda Ronstadt?
Oh, yeah. Oh, that's a perfect one. No, the one
with Neville. Aaron Neville. Aaron Neville. Right?
They have two songs together. I love those songs.
But I can't watch the video because his big mole
kind of gets to me. That's a parasitic plan.
Yes, that's it. You know that's what she's looking
at right there. She's like, what is that thing
on your forehead? She is. That song is amazing.
Put some cheddar cheese on there or some whiz
cheese. What's up with his head or something?
You guys are saying there's a big... Dude, he's
got this pencil eraser sticking out the side
of his head. He's got some big cancerous mole
or something. Go to the one right below. The
black and white in the middle. That one right
there. Open that up. There we go. What do we
got going on there? Ever his eye? You don't see
that? Oh, yes. Okay, I know what you're talking
about. But I mean, their voices together are
really amazing. Incredible. Yeah, and you know,
when I first heard that song, I was just like,
this is stupid. And then I was like, oh my God,
this is actually pretty good. I did not like
his voice at first. Isn't it from some mouse
movie? American Tail or something like that?
Something similar. It's from some cartoon, I
think. What's the other one? There's two of them.
It's Don't Know Much and From Neville, All My
Friends. All My Life. Don't Take Away My Heaven,
The Grand Tour, Everybody Plays the Fool. Everybody
plays the fool. No, it's the ones that they play
together. Can You Feel the Love? The duet. They
have two songs together. Edel's Love? No. No.
Can You Feel the Love? No. But that's from the
Can You Feel the Love Tonight? All My Life. All
My Life. That's it. All My Life. There's a black
and white one here. Oh, yeah. That's very pronounced.
I would probably have that removed. It's very
pronounced. Well, it's on the opposite eye now.
It looks like a beetle. It's probably just reverse
image. It moves around. It looks like a jute
bug. It migrates. The random. Like what's the
bunny python? Right? It just changes. It moves
around. That's it. He's got a random mega mole.
Oh, gosh. Anyway, yes, that was a perfect example,
Jeff, of Linda Ronstadt and this guy. Yes. Aaron
Neville. Anyway, we're not allowed to like that
stuff. But you know, there's also things that
men do that we're probably not allowed to admit
to. Well, I mean, I've never personally, I mean,
you've spoken in the past, but I don't wear like
women, women's underwear. Okay. Repeat that again.
You do not. I do not like wearing women's underwear,
but you had mentioned something about that in
the past. Are you supposed to wear them? No.
I'm just saying that some men like to wear women's
underwear. I don't know if that's. I don't think
so. I feel pretty. I don't think they do. No,
they don't. They don't. I think you have to run
in the opposite direction. Dude, I could not
imagine wearing a thong. Seriously. I mean, think
about it. First of all, my junk ain't fitting
in that thing. But besides that, I mean, it's
thin in the back. Swiping the card on the back
nonstop. Oh, my God. Can you imagine the whistle?
Can you ever take a blade of grass between your
fingers and blow in there? Can you imagine if
I fart with a thong on? Is that something that
happens often that you have to be aware of that?
Wow. I think we digress. We're talking about
the thing that men don't admit to do, wearing
a thong. So, I mean, it's on my list. I've written
it down. Yeah. I was thinking more like a manicure,
pedicure. I think a lot of guys do that. A lot
of guys do mani -pedis. I've gotten a pedicure.
I've never had a manicure. I've had a pedicure.
I just had one about a week ago. So what encourage
you? You don't have a pedicure. I've never had
a pedicure in my life. And I'm not saying I wouldn't,
but I'm just saying I haven't. Yeah. But I tell
you one thing that really bugs me that I will,
I pray to God I never do. I do not like seeing
other men's fingernails painted. I do not like
seeing other men's toenails painted. I just think
that's weird. I think you cross that line into
some metrosexual thing that you just can't come
back from. I think you're right. What if you're
a magician? If you're a magician? Or a catcher.
What if you're a goth rock star and you paint
all of them nails? Dude, if I'm making millions
of bucks, paint on. But as a normal thing. Would
you paint your nails for a million bucks? I mean,
dude, you're not going to see me walk around
with the makeup being a kiss. artist, but you
know what? If I'm making the money that the KISS
artists are making, I'm going to wear freaking
makeup. I look like Paul Stanley. I look like
Ace Frehley. But that's a performance, right?
Sure. So I think I'm with you. I'm with you on
this one. I think in an everyday scenario, that's
not. No. I'm not on board with that. But I'm
okay with that. I mean, I'm not against getting
a pedicure. In fact, I've kind of, I wouldn't
mind getting one. I really wouldn't because,
you know, how many times does a man like myself
have time to sit down and trim your toenails?
I mean, toenails, look, I'm a huge proponent
for. They're very important. I find it very important
to manicure your fingers. You have nasty feet.
Did you just say that, Paul? Oh, you should ask
my wife. He's a Neanderthal. Nasty. feet. Yeah,
he can like claw. He's like one of those bats
that can hang from the ceiling. I feel like I
need to talk to Commander Shelley about this.
That's what the Dremel is for. I tell you what,
the lady who does my pedicure uses Dremel on
me. Oh, dang. Is that for your nose hairs? No,
it's for the toenails. Yeah, it's just easier
for them. It's to grind the cuticle down. Yeah,
my brother -in -law. Jesus, man. That's awful.
And we got the new V4 coming in for you, buddy.
And another thing. I don't know. I've only been
to one person. She also pulls out a cheese grater
and grates the bottom of your feet. The cheese
grater is absolutely the best. Do they ever go
too deep? No. I don't think so. You're bleeding
everywhere. Is there such a thing? But there's
just all this flesh. Well, I mean, it is when
you scrape off the third layer of epidermis.
Yeah, absolutely. So, okay, my brother -in -law
treated me to a pedicure. Yeah, pedicure, right?
That's the feet. And I was like, okay, fine,
whatever. Your brother -in -law? Brother -in
-law. We went together, and that's where they
have drinks. Oh, my gosh. I feel like I need
to take another drink of bourbon one second.
Keep telling those stories. So his thing was,
because I was dogging it. I was like, dude, I'll
never do that. He was like, I'll tell you what.
Come with me. I'll pay for it. You know, blah,
blah, blah. All right, it's a deal. And they
worked on me and worked on me. All four of us.
And when it was done, my feet looked the same.
All four of us. No, they don't. Yeah, they did.
They didn't feel the same. We give up. They look
the same. I think they did. I think they did.
This is not fucking happening. Let's make an
appointment. All four of us, we go. Okay, and
I'll come and video. There you go. Oh, that'll
be an Instagram Live. Yeah, it'll be Instagram
Live. Here we are. How much is it, though? It's
like $80. No. No? $5? No, it's not $5. $5 more.
$35, $40. They don't know holla with $5. Yeah,
but they do a little bit more than just the pet.
I mean, they massage your feet a little bit,
right? They massage your calves. Oh, my gosh.
Do they go up your calf a little bit? Yeah, all
the way to your knee. Oh, my God. Right, and
all the places that hurt in between, they're
like... Like, really in there. How much is it
for up a thigh? Full release. Oh, dear Lord.
Okay, so back to the things men don't admit to
do. How did we get here? Chuck? I didn't say
that. Chuck said full release. My palms are a
little sweaty now. What did he say? Full release.
Oh, damn it, Chuck. That's extra, right? So pedicure,
what is another one? things that men do so do
y 'all like to be sweet to your wives would you
do like a face mask I would do that with my wife
you would that's sweet well if my wife asked
me I would do just about anything you would I
mean anal So back to things men don't admit to
do. Okay, I blame what we're drinking. We have
to blame what we're drinking because that is
out of control. For Jeff. Full release and anal
in this one. But one moment, please. I totally
expect it from Sean and Paul. Right? I'm concerned.
You let us down, Jeff. You really let us down.
I don't feel like you let me down. I'm like curious
now. I have to know more. It's like, I'm not
mad. I'm just disappointed. I'm not disappointed.
I'm just curious. Some other examples would be
crying when you're watching a romantic movie.
That's sweet. How many guys would admit to that?
I don't know. I think you're a big wuss if you
cry during a romantic movie. I got to tell you,
I get weepy and it doesn't need to be romantic.
I get weepy, period. What about Field of Dreams,
man? Hey, the older we get, the easier it is.
The older we get, the easier it is to cry at
stuff. It is. I'm movie. I've been weepy for
a very long time. Of course, I keep it kind of
to myself. But again, what men don't admit. But
I do. I get very weepy on things. It doesn't
matter. An emotional interaction or something
that's deep. Yeah, like Sesame Street. You know
what? If Bert and Ernie are having a bonding
moment where the ants outside on the flower bed
are communicating with them and they save their
house from being damaged from a rainfall, you
know what? Let's not talk about it anymore. You're
getting me. Oh, screw the grouch. It's too much.
It's too much. Well, Oscar the Crouch and Big
Bird? Did you say Crouch? Crouch. Oscar's Crouch.
Oscar the Crouch. Oscar, I did say Crouch, didn't
I? You did say Crouch, Oscar. I blame the whiskey.
What else? What else do men do that we would
not admit to? I'm so crying. Using skincare or
beauty products. Oh, but that's a very important
thing. But I like lotions. I like lotion. It
is important. I put on lotion. It rubs the lotion
on its skin. It does this whenever it's told.
Thank you for asking. Yes, absolutely. I haven't
used a lotion in quite some time. Beef tallow.
We don't want to know about that. Just go dry.
So beef tallow is amazing. So it's kind of like
a dude thing. I've got some upstairs. What about
bacon grease? You do? I do. Did your wife turn
you on to beef tallow? No, I make it myself.
I cook with it. So we're going to smear beef
tallow all over our faces? Yeah, you definitely
want to. What's wrong with regular lotion? Because
there's all kinds of chemicals in it. Beef tallow
is just what it is. I like castor oil. I use
castor oil on my lower extremities a lot. I don't
think I need to smear that today. How low are
we talking about? From below the knee. Not the
point, but what's it helping? Well, there's two
things. It is an incredible moisturizer. But
it also, the nature of castor oil does a lot.
Excuse me. I mean, there's a lot of medical reasons
that some of these holistic doctors suggest that
you use castor oil for. I'm not even going to
touch those. But from what I use it for is a
portion of my lower legs, there's some discolorations.
So, you know, it's just darker down there. It's
like I'm freckled. Big time down there. My pigmentation
is a lot. So I don't know if it's iron being
stuck down there. And one of the things that
they suggested I do is use castor oil. Has it
always been like that? Or is it something as
you're aging, it's getting darker? It's something
that's gotten worse and worse. And you've never
gotten an answer for it, have you? No, it's lightened
up a little bit. But in addition to my lower
extremities, I had an issue with, hell, I don't
remember. I think it was my right shoulder, right?
One of my shoulders was jacked up to the point
where I couldn't play golf. I couldn't play golf.
I couldn't swing a club. It was excruciating
pain. I think it was my right shoulder. To the
point where I take castor oil every morning because
Dr. Barbara O 'Neill, shout out to Dr. Barbara
O 'Neill. Love Barbara O 'Neill. God bless. She's
the one that told me to do it. She said rub castor
oil on that thing every day. It's like a magic
elixir. It is a magic elixir. It breaks down.
unnatural body components. So if there's some
cartridge buildup that's unnatural, it will break
those things down. It helps break down the iron
in your blood that is collected in my lower legs.
It breaks it down. So it has lightened up down
there, but I don't use it as much. After my shoulder
got better. I kind of stopped. It was kind of
a routine. I'd rub it on my shoulder, and I'd
rub it on my lower legs. And after my shoulders
started feeling good, I kind of let it go. Damn.
So which one do you recommend, 10W30 or 10W40?
They have a cold -press castor oil. And I buy
the 64 -ounce jar of it, and it's fantastic.
I highly recommend it, honestly. So you use it
as well? I do. I use castor oil all the time.
But I'm totally into functional medicine. So
I don't believe in all the pills and all the
stuff. I'm about natural supplements and natural
supplementation. Essential oils, maybe? Absolutely.
Are you a Young Living person? I'm a Young Living
person. I love Young Living. My new addiction,
especially for riding a motorcycle, is Boom Boom
Stick. Ooh. Yeah. So Boom Boom Stick is like
a... nasal inhalant, kind of like the Vicks things
that we used as kids. Okay. You smell it, but
it's essential oils. Does it wake you up? It
does. So it's like a... Yeah, it really stimulates
the brain. So I do like peppermint oil. It's
amazing. So is there a bottle called Boom Boom
Stick? Yeah. So if you look it up. On Young Living.
Not on Young Living. This is like a totally separate
product. And I actually saw it on, I think, on
the TikTok shop. And I said, well, this seems
like BS. Well, that dude has the thing shoved
up his nostril. Yes, because it's like, remember
the Vicks sticks that we used when we were kids,
like the little nasal inhalants. So this isn't
something you applied to creases and folds. This
is more of up your nose. Correct. Very different
than the essential oil. But along the same lines.
It's just like... Creases and folds. So you do
it to wake you up. I do. I do it. And they have
a lavender one and that just makes you feel good.
It says quit nicotine with boom boom sticks.
I don't know. Do you have to look like that?
I think you do. I don't think you have to look
like that. I don't look like that when I do the
boom boom stick. I don't know if I can stretch
my nostril that big. That guy's really... That's
really interesting though. I've never heard of...
Boom boom stick? Well, I've never heard of kind
of... sticking stuff up your nose. You're not
sticking it up your nose. You're just placing
it at the base of your nose and then you're inhaling
it. Same as essential oils. You can put them
in your hand, cup them, and breathe them in.
Obviously, you do some research on this stuff.
Are there any side effects that are undesirable?
These are natural herbs. Absolutely. That's what
they say about the vape. No. It's all natural.
No, that's not, no. You got popcorn long. Yeah,
I'm not, like, it's going in my nose, so it's
not exactly. So it's like vapor rub? Yeah, kind
of like Vicks Paper Rub, you know, which kind
of opens things up. It's kind of like taking
the oil and just like putting a little bit on
your nose. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, obviously,
you're familiar with essential oils, right? I
mean, there's a million different ones. Oh, dude,
I'm a huge proponent for me. Specifically, when
I went to your house and you say, hey, Sean,
come to my backyard. Why don't you sit on one
of my chairs? Oh, I'd love to sit on one of your
chairs. And then some... army of hornets decided
to attack me. And then you were like, oh, don't
worry about it. I've got an oil for that. I was
like, same bitch, please. But you know what?
It worked. I will tell you they do work. So I
actually have like like a double door cabinet.
So my kids would make fun of me when they were
little. I would be in front of my cabinet and
I'm like, what's that? What do you have wrong
with you? And I would like this like I like.
twiddle my fingers together and I'd be like,
okay, let me just come up with a combo for that.
Dim the lights, jack up the power. Oh, absolutely.
I'm on it. And like in Frankenstein, the little...
Yeah. Your tummy hurts, pepper and oil. Digest
something or other. It's called Jacob's Ladder.
Yeah. No. Oh, I mean the electrical. You went
like, no. Okay, I went somewhere else with that.
Anywho, let's go back to the things that men
don't admit they do with essential oils. This
is the Shark Tank came up with that product.
Yeah, I saw it on Shark Tank. Yeah, it's amazing.
I would have brought some tonight if I'd known.
If you'd known not. If I'd known that you guys
were into essential oils. Yeah. Talking about
things that men don't. So one of the things on
here is cuddling. Cuddling? You know, I'm not
against it. My wife is not. Cuddler. She's not.
She's kind of like, don't touch me. That's a
problem. That's different. My wife's a big cuddler.
We cuddle. Oh, we know about your cuddling. You
always leave us to go cuddle. Yes. Hey, you know
what? Good for you. I mean, I think it's great.
I gotta go cuddle. Yeah, my phone goes off. It's
cuddle time. Oh, I love that. That's wonderful.
Actually, that doesn't happen. It doesn't? Since
my wife doesn't do it, I got an oversized pillow.
I just kind of lean over. It's got an arm. It's
got an arm thing. You can stand over there. You
can spoon with it. Okay. Now, the one above it,
I've never done that. Reading romance novels
or erotica. Ooh, erotic. Was that like 50 Shades
of Grey or something? Yeah, a little better than
that. 50 Shades of Grey. Penthouse letters. Didn't
I read you guys? I did read you. Yeah, that was
quite erotic. Should have saved that for the
podcast. That was a special episode. Definitely
not. Featuring Jackie Mack. I'm not ever reading
that again. Well, I read it all the time, but
I'm not reading it to record it. But on that
note, you. Just finished a book. I did. And it's
erotica. Yeah. It's not erotica. Oh. Oh. I know.
So disappointing. It was 5 a .m. It was 5 a .m.
I went straight to the bar after closing another
one. Oh my gosh. I met Joseph. I looked into
his eyes and I knew he's the one for me. I whipped
out my book. Tell us about your book. What's
your book about? My book is really about self
-discovery. Oh. Yeah. So my entire life I have
been somebody's something. I've been somebody's
wife. I was somebody's mother. I was somebody's
sister. I was somebody's daughter, someone's
coworker. And even though I'm a big personality,
it kind of played everything small. I let everybody
kind of like do whatever it is. You know, everybody
else lived their dreams. Everybody else figured
out what they wanted to do. I supported everybody.
Kind of like the text message from my daughter,
like, you want those boots? I'll buy those boots
for you. Right. Right? That's just the natural.
So I have spent probably the last nine months
kind of figuring out, like, what's next for me?
That's why I took my motorcycle license. There
you go. Right? Like, I've always wanted to ride.
It's something that's really important to me.
I'm going to buy a bike, and I'm going to damn
it, I'm going to do it. Good for you. Yeah. Even
if I'm scared as hell to be out on the highways,
I'm going to find a way to get out of the city
so I can. You know, learn and enjoy it. So the
feeling. Yeah. So I kind of wrote I wrote a book
kind of about myself and kind of like identifying
who I am and what I want for the next phases
and stages of my life. Excellent. Yeah. So and
it's kind of the self -discovery is also encouragement
for other people to discover themselves because
we get to a point where we're a certain age and
especially as a single woman. Being out in the
world, you know, what do you want? Like, what
do you want for yourself? What do I want for
myself? And you're like, I don't know. You know,
I'm not waiting. Like, you've never asked yourself
that question. I've never, ever asked myself
what's important to me. Kind of like the Julia
Roberts. Remember the movie? I can't remember
the name of it. Where she is with Richard Gere
and she doesn't know. Pretty woman. Not pretty
woman. No, not me. Do they make more than one
movie? Yes. Oh, I didn't know that. Yes. And
she is a runaway bride. Ah, yes. Yes, runaway
bride. And she dates all these people and runs
away from the altar when she gets to the point
of deciding that she wants to marry them, that
she gets to the altar and she's like, oh my gosh,
I don't want to marry this person. Yeah. So in
the end of the movie, she talks about like she
never knew how she liked her eggs. She liked
her eggs however everyone else told her. That
she needed it to like her eggs. She lost herself.
Yeah, she did. And I feel like I kind of lost
myself in the journey of taking care of my family.
And so I wrote about it. That's admirable, though.
It's sad and admirable. I mean, you're a martyr.
I don't. think so i think that's what we all
become right we all want to live for our partners
we all want to live for our children we all want
to do those kinds of things and we lose each
ourselves along the way so i just you know i
just kind of looked at myself in the mirror one
day and i was like i have no idea who this woman
is i have no idea what i really like to do and
i'm gonna figure that out i think a lot of people
resonate with that yeah especially when we get
a little bit older right Absolutely. Because,
you know, life changes and now we're, the things
that kept us busy and distracted now have gone
away. They have. And now we're thinking a lot.
And the clock is ticking. You're like, I mean,
I've got 20 years left on this planet. What am
I going to do with these 20 years? Oh, Lord.
I don't think the clock is ticking. I think I've
only, it's only just begun. Nice. Right. Well,
I'm glad that that's, that's definitely a. a
positive spin on that, but the reality of it
is that we're at an age right now. The reality
is the warranty has expired. No, it has not.
You're on your own time, which is good. You're
on your own time. I'm making this kind of depressing.
No, it's not depressing. It's the reality of
it. That's the fear. That's what kind of prompted
you to wake yourself up and get realized. from
inside out there's more life to live it's a matter
of living it yeah it's kind of what i went through
last year i went through a bunch of turmoil last
year and that came out the other end that uh
you know i felt very stuck working a corporate
job absolutely you know you you you make a certain
amount of money but you have these requirements
over here you're like I don't want to do my job
anymore, but I can't quit because of this over
here. I've got fiscal responsibilities. Right.
And, you know, there's times where I hated my
job. I'm like, you know, I can go find another
job. I'm not going to like that, you know, any
better. You're just repeating. Rinse and repeat.
Yeah. And then, you know, things happened last
year, and I had the opportunity to get out of
corporate. And I had to take a hard look at myself
and say, was I ready for that? And there's still
an adjustment. I'm still going through it. You
know, it's the next phase, right? Well, I think
it wears on you good. I mean, you're a different
person. You seem happier. You seem you've shed
some stress. Yeah. No question. I mean, I don't
have the stress like I did anymore, you know,
because that weighed on me for years, the feeling
stuck. Rat race. I got no choice. I got no options.
Yeah, I was like, and I'm thinking, well, maybe
I could start over. Well, no, fuck, I'm 50 years
old. Yep. If I start over, then I'm going to
be making this much money. I can't pay my bills
over here doing that. You had to give up your
astronaut dream. Jackie, when it comes time for
your book, so is this something that's going
to be published? Yeah. Where are you going with
this? Yeah. So right now, I have a couple of
people who have recently published. So I'm sending
my book out to them so they can kind of QC it.
And the intent of the book is to not talk about
anything. sad that happens along the way that
gets you to this point it really is what i learned
about myself and then how do you pause and reflect
on the things that i learned for me to ask you
certain questions to be able to move through
the journey is you know it's that self -discovery
it's understanding who you are it's setting healthy
boundaries i've never set healthy boundaries
ever right everybody has access to all my time
all the time and it's okay to say no It's okay
to say. I suck at that. Yeah, we all suck at
that. You know, people pleasing. I was preconditioned
as a young child to make sure I kept the peace
for everything. Big personality. You know, as
you see, I'm, you know, almost six feet tall.
I have, I'm 5 '10". So not six feet tall in case
anybody on this podcast wants to know. I have
flaming red hair. So you walk into your room.
I'm a lot of personality, but I really kept myself
kind of toned down to make sure I accommodated
everybody else and everything else that was going
on in their life. So I totally resonate with
making a corporate change and making a change
in my, in your life to do something different.
Like it's hard because you're preconditioned
to be. That corporate person. It was. It was
a precondition. That's why I struggled with it.
I'm like, this is what I should be doing. Yep.
It's an identity. Yeah. And I don't want to identify
with work. That's not who I am. Right. Right
kind of a thing. So I had to overcome that. I'd
love to overcome that. So is your book available
on Amazon? So my intent is to have some folks
review it that are near and dear to my heart.
And then I worked with an executive coach last
year to do some executive coaching to figure
out, you know, where am I and where do I want
to be? And then she has a publishing avenue.
So I'll take it to an editor. And then the editor
will kind of work through. Very cool. It's like
a one -stop shop. It is. Where they edit and
then they help you publish it. So I'll come back
and talk all about it. And so where do you want
to be published? I want to be published on Amazon.
On Amazon, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, hey,
we would love to see that be your dream become
reality, and I would love to read it. Yeah. I
will read it. Is it like large font with lots
of colors? It'll be lots of, yeah. It's a picture
book for you. Easy instruction. Can I see the
Crayolas? Easy to read. Fat Crayolas. Oh, Jackie
Mack, that is so you. Is it pop -up? You can
move the little mouth and the... It's pop -up.
You can sit on it. I'm going to read it. So my
intent is to publish it and then for me to read
it with this amazing velvety voice. Oh, yeah.
I feel like I'm Jeff over here. Oh, my gosh.
Well, you know what? We can do that. You can
come over here and record it. Oh, that would
be fantastic. You know, Jeff, you never thought
of that. Your future in erotica audio. Oh, no,
she wants to do it herself. No, I'm just saying.
Jeff has the best voice in the world. I'm not
saying anything against your voices, but when
Jeff talks, people do this. Hand on the table.
What did he say? Yep, he says. That's how it
goes. Just think about it. 100 % this does not
happen over here. Just think about it. Here's
Jeff. He rested his hand on the small of her
hips. Exactly. No, that was the guy, the rebel,
the night that we were doing those shots and
we were watching. Metallica. The guy came over
by you and he put his hand on the small of your
back. Why the unprovoked attack? Completely not
in context. Unprovoked attack. Now who's responsible?
I say who's responsible for this unwarranted
attack on my person? Well, you said small of
your back. I just rang the familiarity there.
We're drinking a single malt right now. We are.
It's so delicious. Unprovoked. Unprovoked attack.
Endless. All right. What do we got? What are
we drinking? This is White Arp American Single
Malt Whiskey. This one was won at the White Horse,
I'm sorry, Horse Neck. Horse Neck Whiskey Exchange
on Friday. Yes. So it was one that I think Stan
from Sips actually grabbed this one, put it up
in the, he's like, Sean, you know, if you go
up there, make sure you grab this bag, you know,
one that says suck it. And I was like, all right.
It didn't say tits on it. It said suck it. So
I went over there and grabbed it. This one's
for me. And sure enough, it was this one. And
I was excited because Stan picked it because
I said, Stan, hey, make sure, because it needs
to be allocated. It needs to be good. So pick
one that's good. And Stan's like, fuck off. I
got this. Shut up. So Stan led you to this bottle?
I didn't know that. He did. He said, this is
what you need to get. And this one is kind of
an oddity because... You know, it's around $100
for this, and it's one of under 200 bottles from
this because it's a single barrel. Single barrel
cap strength, 59 .5%. This one is in the world
of American single malt. So that's one of the
newest groups established in the liquor repertoire,
right? Yeah, category. Oh. Uh -oh. I almost fell
out of my chair. We lost Sean. Did that post
go up the butt? Oh, that was so scary. All right,
well, let's take a second and suck this down
because, you know, this is, I love, like, my
only relationship with these single malts is
coming up from two. I've got the wolves. Which
is a single malt. And mind you, folks, this isn't
like the single malt you get in Scotland. This
isn't a scotch. There's no smoked peat in this.
It's like a scotch without the smoked peat. So
it's got the minerals, the earth tones that come
out of this. And I don't know exactly 100 % of
the process, but if you ever taste wolves, it's
got that licorice anise kind of reflection in
there. All right. So what kind of nose? What
are you feeling here? Yeah, I said the nose was
extremely pretty. But you say no peat. Like,
I get some kind of peat. I just don't get the
smoky part of it on the nose. There's probably
some peat in there, but there's not the smoked
stuff. It's not like a traditional scotch. Yeah,
I said earlier when it was like a plum. But,
you know, a plum turns to a prune. So very pruney.
Figs kind of. You're saying on the nose? Yeah.
So very, you know, what do they call it? Stone
fruit. Stone fruit. Yeah. I get very stone fruit
on the nose. Well, Paul nailed it. He said he
smells dark chocolate. Well, that's on the finish,
not on the nose. Yeah, that was on the finish.
But I will tell you, I've never had something
where I was so unsure of the nose to be. So impressed.
Me too. With the palate and the finish. The same.
I probably wouldn't nose it and say, oh gosh,
I really want to drink that. Yep. But everything
about the profile is incredible. Exactly. If
somebody put down like six different Glen Clarens
and they said you could only pick one based on
the nose, I would not pick that. I would never
pick that on the nose. Yeah, it was absent a
lot. I mean, they were there, but I don't have
a fantastic nose anyways. But, I mean, Paul,
you nailed it. The nose, based on what AI says,
dark chocolate, vanilla, the butter. I got buttered
popcorn. But that's butter on the finish. No,
you're right. But it's both. It was the finish.
Because AI says it's on both. Interesting. I
didn't taste that or smell that personally because,
again, I don't have a nose, so I've got to go
on what other people say. But, you know. It is
outstanding. I'm going to tell you, it is out.
freaking and i'm not a single malt fan i'm so
impressed yeah jeff you haven't said a word go
well you're saying everything i've been picking
up right so i didn't have much to add but yeah
the chocolate the the buttery whatever it is
on the back yeah right in the nose you're like
that's right it's it's just not much there special
you know there's there's a little uniqueness
to it but i think this is a unique Some of the
other single malts we have out there. I was going
to ask, is that a characteristic of single malts
to have this ambiguous nose? I think so. Like
a crazy finish? I don't know. We'll have to crack
open through our characters again. I don't know.
We'll be doing that soon. Anybody else have...
So for me, I have... Across the palette, I have
like Bananas Foster. Ooh. So, you know, you have
the buttery, butterscotchy, caramel -y with something...
I don't know. bananas foster bananas fosters
yeah what is that is that like a beer no like
you take a banana and you caramelize the banana
and then right with sugar brown sugar okay yeah
i can't taste and then you i can't taste that
yeah don't you mention it yeah it's funny how
it's funny how when someone says something and
then you You think about it and you taste it
again. It's like, yeah, I do get that. It's that
power of suggestion. Yeah. Didn't I tell you
guys? So my success model for tasting bourbons
is to lead people into the experience of what
they're going to taste. Yeah. So I tell them
what they're going to experience when they drink
it. And immediately it resonates with them like,
oh, I do taste old fashioned. I do taste the
orange. I do taste the cherry. I get banana.
Yeah. Now that you mention it. Yeah. Well, we
got to wrap this up. So what kind of, we need
a great. the single malt. So let's run down the
list. And we're comparing this to what? Well,
it's a single malt, so the only thing we can
compare it to right now is Wolves, or Baller,
which we haven't tasted, which is on the list
of things to bring. And the rare characters.
And the rare characters. I'm just going to go
with how much I'm enjoying it. How about that?
That too. That too. Yeah. All right, where are
we going? Who's starting? I'll start. I'll go
with an eight. I'm saying same. I was going to
say 7 .8. Yeah, 7 .8 for me. Yeah, I'm like a
solid eight. Everything about it drinks so different
than what I would anticipate. This is excellent.
Yeah, it really is excellent. I'm really liking
the single malts that are coming out. I think
that it's a new era of whiskey. It's a new market.
Yeah, it's 100%. And look, folks, listeners out
there, when we rate something an eight, That's
fucking good. It's a big deal. Yeah, because
we don't hit 10s. We rarely hit 9s. And if it's
in the 8 category, if it makes it to 8, that
is a huge achievement. Yeah, absolutely. And
then on top of it, not only is it beautiful in
the glass, the presentation is fantastic. The
label is fantastic. The label, the bottle, the
top, everything about it is beautiful. It looks
like it's from the... The early 1800s, doesn't
it? That label. Look at that label. It looks
like it's just awesome. It's Wyatt Earp. Wyatt
Earp, American single malt whiskey known for
rich complex flavor profile. Tasting notes include
dark chocolate, citrix, vanilla, malty sweetness
on the nose, flavors of fig with pepper and a
hint of mint on the palate. The finish is long,
smooth, with an oily mouthfeel and lingering
warmth. It's excellent. And it's not cheap, though.
I mean, look at the MSRP. It's $100. MSRP is
$115. I'd pay $114 all day long. Yep. I would
agree with that. I would buy it over and over
again. Well, if you go buy it from Stan at Sips
in McKinney, it costs $94. There you go. Oh,
they have some at Sips? That's where it came
from. That's where it came from. Slide my ass
and call me Sally. Stan at Sips. Yeah. Shout
out to Brian. Yeah, go find it. Yeah, I'm totally
going to. I'll be going to find it tomorrow.
No, I wouldn't, but it's not going to be, for
this price and for how good it is, it's not going
to be a nightly sipper. This is like a bring
out when it's like a, well, I should ask, is
this at this caliber? Would you guys drink it
like every night? Not every night, but you know
what I mean? Like a regular sipper. I think it
would be a special moment. This is a dessert.
This is something special. It's very dessert.
It's kind of like the wolves. I bring this out.
It's kind of like the Ben Ryan's that I bring
out. It's like. We're starting to get all...
Dude, even the phrase that we're... I get...
I know, you're all giddy. Look at you. But the
thing is that we're starting to taste these different
whiskeys that we're getting, and this is like
we're starting to differentiate the different
tastes. We're starting to really... I can taste
this, and I know this is a fray. I can taste
this, and I know it's a rare character. I can
taste... Jack Daniels and Noah, we're getting
to that point where we're becoming badasses.
And where did y 'all start? We all start kind
of grassroots. I remember on my kitchen counter
I had, I don't know, six bottles of Buffalo Trace
and I thought I was a badass. No, we started
drinking black powder. I don't even know what
that is. What is black powder? Black Eagle. Bad.
Black powder. It was just... But we were all
into it. Really, we were into Nine Bandit a lot.
Yeah, Nine Bandit. Well, that was after black
powder. That was weeded. We started off like
most whiskeys should start off with the weeded
whiskeys because it's easier on the palate. And
we were kind of like, oh, rye. Oh, my God. That's
too... Now we're like, fucking A, man. Yeah.
We were so... clueless but but your palate changes
over time i think you know i really started um
experiencing bourbon probably in 2019 we're at
2025 i have a pretty extensive collection i always
say to people when i i talk about bourbon like
a nerd i say you know i have a pretty good collection
for a chick i have i don't know 223 bottles oh
yeah and you ride a harley Not yet. An Indian.
I don't ride an Indian yet, but I will. I totally
blew that. I'm a fellow Indian rider, and I blew
that. I know, but I will be riding an Indian.
We're going to edit that out. And we need a soundbite.
Bob Barker from The Price is Right. I'm just
going to say one other thing. Darn it, and it
is gone. Is it the bourbon? Blame it on the whiskey.
There you go. Did you have fun? Oh, my God. I
always have fun with y 'all. You guys are so
fun. Just everyone's personality is different,
and I always learn a little along the way, too.
And it's a general vocabulary that includes the
word anal. I was about to say it's always a wholesome
family, but yeah. Maybe full -release anal. What
is the timeline on your book? So I would say
probably publication by October the 1st. Wow.
That's quick. We're going to have to have you
come back and talk about this. I highly recommend
that we set another date. Let's make it a fiscal
quarter from now. You know, it's pretty good
for me that I get to make a date with three men.
Four. Four men. You know, every couple of months.
Chuck's up in the corner. What the hell, man?
Chuck, I said four. I'm the finisher. Well, we
love having you, so I'm glad you had a good time.
And I love being here. You guys are amazing.
Awesome. Well, we look forward to the next time.
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out to be a nothing bird, but I don't even know
how... What the hell's going on with Trump's
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It was Cutter? Cutter. Yeah. From Cutter? Yes.
Yeah. I think we're irresponsible, not from the
fact that we're getting an airplane from them,
but from a security standpoint. Why would you
get another airplane from somebody? It's kind
of stupid. Right. Plan a bomb and it's so easy.
All right. Mr. Producer Chuck, thank you for
staying on top of all the things. This was July
2nd? First. Canada Day! Canada Day! I'm going
to do the dramatic pause like Jeff did. I'm Paul.
I'm Jeff. I'm Jackie Mack. We'll see you next
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