Did we ever finish that bottle? This one. Oh,
it should be empty. Is it? Yeah. It's kind of
hard to tell because you can't see in it. It's
a fancy bottle, though. Yeah. That is the spring
meal. The spring meal. Bourbon. Bourbon whiskey.
Twice barrel. New charred American oak. So it's
one of these white bottles. Yeah, you can see
it. Like a little porcelain. That's the thing.
It's nice. It's beefy. Did we infinity bottle
it? I don't know. Or did we just wipe it out?
Well, I think I infinity bottled it, and I've
got a list back here that I need to ultimately
add to. I have probably six, seven bottles I
haven't even listed. Oh, boy. In our thing, yeah,
but we'll get to it. We're slowly but surely.
Here, Pat, put that over at the demo. I'm going
to throw it away. Maybe I'll take it home. I've
got a little backpack I'll probably put in there.
Okay. All right, first half of the Dudes Like
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It's April 29th, 2025. At the helm, Mr. Chuckster.
Thank you, sir, Mr. Producer, for staying on
top of shit all the time. I'm excited. Damn,
you are. You are. Pumped up, man. Did you take
something? Did you take a shillajit? I took a
big shit, is what I took. I got out of all the
negative things going on. You ready to roll?
Well, you know, we spent a long time today preparing
for the topics we're talking about so that we
could be a little bit articulated with some of
the bullshit that we're going to spew, which
we're going to spew anyways. Yes, of course.
It's nonsense, but we like it. It's fun. It's
Dudes Like Us. I'm Sean. I am Paul. And I'm Jeff.
Paul. Oh, man. So we're sucking down this whiskey,
which I'm not going to tell you right away what
it is, but it's... Yeah. Kind of mid for me so
far, but I'm going to let it breathe a little
bit. Maybe if we just like have two or three
of them, it'll get better. Finish the bottle.
Well, yeah. I don't know if we want to do that.
I don't know either. Anyway. I'm actually enjoying
that drink. We went out Friday night and, you
know, regular thing. Except, I know you said
you didn't feel very good, but, you know, I didn't
get blown up. You know, I had drinks. I was toasty
because after we had left, there was a little
drama. A little bit of drama on my side, not
your side. So I had to go back and pick up other
people that were there. Right. And, you know,
it just – so I was sober enough to do that comfortably,
you know. Yeah, I woke up. I think it was just
a mixture of all the shit that I had. I think
I had three beers and a – That horse neck. The
horse neck. Oh, yeah, the horse neck. We want
to sample that. We did sample that for the gentlemen
that are supposedly coming on the podcast. Yeah,
so we'll talk about that. So I bought a four
-pack for us. We had that. Then I had some beers,
and I had some bourbon, and I think all that
just gave me a headache the next day. Yeah. You
had to stick with one. Yeah, whatever. I tell
you what, it was fun. I do enjoy going out there
when it's not 200 degrees. We're specifically
talking about the rail yard in Frisco, Texas.
They've got some live entertainment out there.
This past weekend, they had The Neighbors. The
Neighbors, yes. The Neighbors. Were they pretty
good? You guys saw the song. Oh, yeah. The set
list. They were fun. Yeah, they were fun. Passed
out tambourines. Oh, yeah, man. We didn't know
that they did that. And there was some lady going
to town on this tambourine across the way. And
we're just like, wow, she's just wearing a bikini.
No, we were like, oh, my gosh, she brought her
own fucking tambourine. What in the fuck is going
on? Oh, so they're groupies. No, no, no. They
just laid about on the table. And then we noticed,
oh, there's another one. Oh, I see. They were
encouraging people to participate in the performance.
And, of course, Chuck had a take quiz, and he
was like, oh, look, guys, it has a neon light
LED. She offered. He probably grabbed the triangle.
Look at him trying to sidestep. She offered.
The odd thing is they had some guy with a French
horn who played maybe eight notes on one song
and then left. Yeah. Special guest. They needed
him for one song. They played the background
music for the, it was the Beatles, but it sounded
at first, he was like, he's actually playing
Star Wars. I was like, that's what that was.
So he packed it up and walked off. Was he pissed
off? No, it was comical. That's what he was there
for. He wanted to do it. He showed up. He was
like, hey, guys, I'm here to do it. He was tall,
a little lanky. And the other guys were like,
do you know this guy? He looked like he just
stepped out of some lederhosen. You know, he
had those. Yes. God. When we saw him bring in
his case, I was like, well, he's carrying like
a big instrument case. or something, and then
next thing you know, they're in... They're big.
French horn cases are big. I don't know. It may
have been a flugelhorn or what, but it may have
been a French horn. I don't know. It looked like
a French horn. It wasn't a tuba or anything like
that. It wasn't that big, but maybe flugelhorny.
And you're like... Well, you know what? It was
fun. Overall, it was fun. The weather was great.
You know, we had a couple beers. I felt kind
of bloated because of the beer, and so I was
like, you know, normally I don't like to, like,
dive right into the bourbon. Could have been
the ice cream. Yeah. Oh, well, yeah. What? You
guys had ice cream? No, Sean had ice cream. Oh,
food truck. Yeah. Hey, man, look, once in a while,
I like to have ice cream. It's not very often.
It just so happens, like, in the last three weeks,
I've had it twice. Yeah. You know, I think I
went out with you and went to Andy's. Yes, you
did. Andy's is, I was going to say, That's one
thing I will never turn down. I've never had
Andes. If Shelly goes, let's go get Andes, I'm
like, I'm in. It's custard, so it's not regular
ice cream. It's not the fake stuff. It was like
Double Dip when it was here in Frisco. Used to
go to Double Dip quite a bit. That was fun. Right
off of Main Street, downtown Frisco. Why would
that close? Well, they jacked the rent up on
him. So he moved. They forced him out. Yeah,
so he was going to move to another location,
but I think that fell through, and I think he
just ended up closing. Yeah. Yeah, they jacked
around on it because they wanted all those people
that have gone so they could build what they
have there now. Right. You know? And back then
it was like 90 ,000 people and now it's like
280 ,000 people. So I guarantee his business
would have gone apeshit crazy. Oh, you know it.
Yeah. Well, you know, and it would have because
it was already busy. I know. You know, I would
have, look, I would have figured out how to make
shit work in the winter. I mean, ice cream doesn't
sell too great in the winter, but you know what
does? Fucking hot desserts. Brownies, apple pies,
cookies. Brownies. Hot chocolates. Yeah. You
know, ciders. Homemade little pies. All kinds
of stuff. It could have been perfect. Although
I remember it was wintertime, and I think Julie
was out of town. And it was me and the boys,
and it was February. It was about, you know,
I think it was four degrees out. Because the
reason I know that is I was like, I was looking
for something to do with the boys. It was after
dinner. I was like, all right. we had never been
i was like let's go to bahama bucks so we pile
in the car it's four degrees out do we go down
there and get bahama bucks when it's four degrees
out shaved ice basically yes right because i
remember this specifically because fancy fancy
shaved ice yeah i don't know if they're still
around actually um and the reason i know this
is their little punch card that if you come in
For every degree under 20 or something like that,
you got like two stamps. So I got like five stamps.
I was like, wow, why did I get so many stamps?
Those kids are trying to get you to come out
when it's cold. That's actually smart. Yeah,
so it was four degrees, so I got a shit ton of
stamps. Free stuff for later on, basically. And
then they closed shortly thereafter. Yeah, no
kidding. Well, you remember the snow cone lady.
I think she's still around. Is she still around?
She moved. She's down there by the railroad track.
Yeah, she moved. But I didn't think she was still
in business, but I hope she is. No, I don't know.
Because I love it. Is that really the same lady?
It was. Great story. It was. I don't know if
she's still there, though. I'll tell you, I had
a similar experience with the snow cone lady,
but this one was the bratwurst lady. And the
bratwurst lady, this is when we lived in Germany.
We lived in Mannheim, Germany. The late 70s for
this particular one. And on Friday nights, the
bratwurst lady would come into town. Because
in Germany, they have a little bit of a different
setup. They have fresh fruits that will roll
through the neighborhoods on these flat trucks.
And they pull up and they have their own proprietary
music. Whatever it is. It could be anything.
Like the ice cream truck. It could be a little
polka. So she shows up every Friday night, and
we were like, that was our thing. We get bratwurst.
We get chicken. It was great. They also had the
ice cream truck, but their ice creams were different.
Real ice creams, they put them in these little
presses, and they squeeze it, and they come out
like spaghetti, and then they put some raspberry
sauce on top of it. So interesting how different
countries and different cultures have. Then you
have the. Lots of sherbert. Then you have the
Italian stuff. What's that called? Gelato. Gelato.
Yeah. Then you have that stuff. Yeah. I don't
think I've. I've never had that. I don't care
for it. It's in. There was a shop in Legacy East.
And I was kind of like. I was expecting like
an ice cream shop. And I didn't really care for
the texture or something. I don't know what it
was. Was it sweet? Yeah. No it was. But I mean.
I don't know. It was just. I don't know. I just
remembered not. Was it creamy? I can't answer
that. On advice of counsel. No, no, no. Go on.
On advice of counsel. Was it creamy? Wow. Did
it melt in your mouth? Yes. I don't like where
this is going. Anyway, did you guys, when the
ice cream truck came around as kids, did you
race out there and your parents gave you money?
It was like 50 cents. I know, right? Nowadays,
it's just like eight bucks. We had a Mr. Softee.
Yeah, there you go. So you go up, and it was
a soft serve, right? Oh, yeah. Hey, my name is
Joey. Come on over here. He'd come out, and he'd
just, like, hang over the window. So, yeah, we'd
go up there, and we'd get the— So wrong. I don't
know if this is regional or if everyone calls
him this, but there's sprinkles on top. We'd
call them jimmies. Jimmies. Jimmies. Yeah, not
jizzies. Not jizzies. Okay. He was limp. He was
soft. Did you drink before we got here? We've
got to stop. Let's reset. This is the first podcast.
Let's just all just behave, okay? So, no, I'd
go and get the soft serve and get the chocolate
jimmies on it. Yeah, I don't think I did it all
that often, but, man, when you heard the music.
Oh, yeah. Oh, it was crazy. Oh, he was tantalizing.
You know, Eddie Murphy had his little stand -up
show, Delirious, and it was funny. Was it raw?
Oh, it was raw. Delirious was second. Thank you.
It was one where he had the little red leather
outfit out there, and he's talking about how
the ice cream man come to town, and all the kids
get super, lose their fucking mind. Oh, yeah.
And it was like, you know, the mom would say.
Start throwing change at them, you know. Get
your brother a toasted almond pop and get me
the do -do -do -do -do and bring me the change.
That's so funny. Well, I know on our route we
pick up at a middle school and I'm noticing ice
cream trucks at middle schools as the kids are
getting out of school. Oh, yeah, and they're
not stupid. Yeah, and there's a line of kids.
Are there? Oh, yeah. So there was one just the
earlier, I don't know, it was earlier this week,
a couple days ago, there was one. driving down
our street, and I can't recall them. I mean,
you know, I'm sure they do it regularly, but
I don't recall them driving down our street all
the time. Oh, so look at this. We have a debate
on the racist connotations of how Jeff grew up.
Some people have raised concerns about the use
of the word Jimmy's because their name's associated
with the term Jim Crow. Shut up. Whatever. Discriminatory
laws in the South. Well, I can tell you what.
As a 10 -year -old asking for Jimmy's, I had
no idea what Jim Crow was. No. You weren't racial?
No. What about Jim Eagle? Do you know anything
about that one? No. No. It's just, you know,
you'd go up there and the kid in front of you
would say, I want Jimmy's on it, so you call
it Jimmy's. Yeah, I tell you. It wasn't, hey,
you've got to be racist. Extra Jimmy's. People
will read into whatever they want. It's just
like, come on. We're trying to spoil everything.
It's crazy. No. Jimmy's forever. Jimmy's. Here's
a Jimmy joke about your mama that you might not
like. That was a little snoop there. Well, we
called Jimmy's the chocolate ones, and then you
had the red ones, and then the multicolored ones,
right? So it was all... The rainbow -colored
ones? Yeah, the rainbow. I have the rainbow Jimmy's.
Yeah, he got a lot of rainbow -colored ones.
That was your thing? Yeah. All the other boys
were like, why do you like that? Well, the Sherbert,
the spaghetti dessert from the German... Ice
cream truck was fantastic. Was it sherberty?
Was it like sherbert or ice cream? It was sherbert.
It was Italian sherbert. I don't know if that's
a thing. I wonder. Italian sherbert in Germany?
Yes. What is the difference in the recipe? I
don't know if we want to get into crazy detail.
Sherbert? Yeah. What is, I mean, custard versus
ice cream versus sherbert versus shaved ice,
like the - Custard. Gelato or whatever. Gelato.
Gelato. Gelato. What is the primary difference
between all these things? What makes them different?
Well, I think that's the level of dairy. Dairy
and fat, yeah. I think custard is the highest
fat content. That's why it's so thick. Which
one is? Custard. Custard is? Yeah. That's why
it's so thick, and they call it, what, concrete?
Oh, it's so good, though. Yeah. I get the triple
chocolate concrete every time at Andy's. It's
amazing. Yeah, so Sherbert, small amount of dairy,
typically 1 % to 2 % milk fat. Sorbet has no
dairy, but it's made with fruit and sugar and
water, basically, right? Is sorbet the same thing
as sherbet? Yeah, so it's icy and less creamy,
right? So I'm not on board with that. No, sorbet
is kind of like almost not shaved ice because
it's a lot finer, right? It's basically shaved
ice with sugar and water and fruit. Right. So
I guess I'm a fan of more creamy. Yeah, so you'd
like the ice creams. Yeah, and custards. The
custards, yeah. Custards and ice cream. And gelato
has less fat than ice cream. Right. But some.
It's probably sorbet, sherber. Why isn't it sherbet?
If it's sorbet, why isn't it sherbet? I don't
know. Come on. When you bring up the SNL skit.
And then let's change the name to this. be naming
this animal a different than a dead than in a
lot. You're talking about George Washington.
Yeah, the George Washington SNL. I'm going to
start ordering it. Sure. Bay. You should. Yes.
My wife nuts. Yes, it would. Not that I ever
order Sherbert ever. Next time, if I remember,
I'm going to call it sure. Bay. You know, when
I worked at the Four Seasons Resort, I remember
and I've only seen it happen once. Somebody ordered
some pretty complicated food. And for some reason,
it came out delayed. And this big shot corporate
chef came out and he was apologized and he brought
him a complimentary raspberry sorbet. And it
was like... It's an aperitif. Yeah. He was like,
you give them that because it doesn't fill them
up. And the sorbet doesn't have the dairy in
it. Is that correct? What did you say is an appetit?
It's an appetizer. Aperitif. Aperitif. That's
a pre -dinner. To clean your palate. Correct.
Yes. Because they have aperitif drinks as well.
I have been to fancy restaurants where they bring
that stuff out early. Yeah. And it's like, what?
And you have aperitif drinks as well. Interesting.
Is bourbon one of those? I don't believe it is.
Like a port, perhaps? That's usually after dinner.
What do they call it when they're after dinner?
Like good old -fashioned ice cream with dairy
to fill you up. No, like a port drink is typically
after dinner, I believe. I don't know. What was
the pre -dinner drink? Well, that's an aperitif,
right? So aperitif just means before dinner.
Well, I think there's certain types of drinks
that are aperitifs. That are meant to prepare
the palate. Correct. Interesting. Digestives.
See, I just think all that stuff's kind of snobby,
but I get it. Yeah, see wine, late harvest wines
like Port and Madeira. Yeah, but it's also brandy,
cognac, whiskey, tequilas, white Russians. These
are all examples of pre -dinner drinks. Interesting.
Digestives. Chartreuse. Do you ever have Chartreuse?
Ooh. I don't know. I did that in my pants once.
It's green. Isn't that a green drink? Chartreuse?
I don't know. I don't know. I've seen it. I've
never heard of it. Yeah, I've seen it. I've never
had it. Green. It is. Look at you. How would
you even know that? Why would you know what a
Chartreuse is? Well, it's the color. Chartreuse
is a green, right? Yeah, kind of a glowing green.
Yes. I don't know what it tastes like, but I've
never had it. So that is an after dinner? Yes,
that's an after dinner drink. Chartreuse. It
looks like melon, but I don't know if that's
what it tastes like. Dry gin? Gross. Dry gin,
green chartreuse, and fresh lime juice. Yeah,
not a fan of gin. That's a green ghost. I had
a good one out, believe it or not, when we were
in Hawaii. We went to Ocean Distillery. They
make the Ocean Vodka, the one that's in the blue.
And they make a gin. It actually wasn't bad.
It wasn't over -junipered, put it that way. Sometimes
you get just way too much juniper in there. You're
just like, ah, that tastes like I'm eating a
fucking Christmas tree. Yes. So the one time
I had a gin and tonic, and I had a full one,
and I showed up at this party, and somebody handed
me a gin and tonic, and I was like, okay, I'll
try that. And I had just eaten the number two
Whataburger. And my stomach was so happy, right?
And I was like, oh, okay, I'll try this. And
I was like, oh, this is not that great. But,
you know, whatever. I'm not going to turn it
down, right? So I drank the whole thing pretty
quickly because I wanted to get to my Captain
Morgan and Coke. And I hurled the whole Whataburger.
Really? Right then? Right then. It, like, immediately
came up. I was like, oh, okay, what's happening
right now? And I lost my whole Whataburger. Right.
I was very upset. Speak it to, like, etiquette
when you go over to someone's house, when someone
hands you a drink. Oh, there's no etiquette.
This was, like, we were 819, and it was, like...
So someone gave you some throw -up stuff? Gin
and tonic. Ipecac? Yeah. No, but, I mean, there
was no etiquette. It was somebody's party because
their parents were not in town. All right, you
guys, I got eight crates of Ipecac from Mort,
all on my tab. Now, whoever goes the longest
without puking gets the last piece of pie in
the fridge. Oh. Do you ever go somewhere and
have bad etiquette where you're just like, I
want your best bourbon, but I'm going to put
it in, like, Sprite? Oh, boy. Oh, yeah. Paul's
got plenty of stories of that. So, you know what?
That happened not too long ago. So, because I've
been wanting to share this story. I wanted to
ask you guys, so what is the etiquette? So, when
you've been invited to somebody's house, okay,
and you're a bourbon drinker, and they know you're
a bourbon drinker. OK, and I walk up to their
bar and I'm looking at what they've got and they've
got like four unopened bottles sitting on the,
you know, on the shelf. And, you know, none of
them were amazing, but they were I recognized
them. Right. I was like, oh, that's pretty good.
And then, you know, I'm looking around. I'm like,
and he's like, oh, yeah, you want to drink? And
I was like, yeah, I'll take a bourbon neat. What
do you have? And he goes, he reaches over and
he gets the Novacek 84. Right. The open bottle
Novacek 84. We've had that. Yes. It was good.
It was not good. And I was like, yeah, sure,
whatever. I mean, I'm not going to be rude and
go, oh, that's not good enough for me. Do you
know who I am? Oh, please. Anyway, so yeah, I
drank it. But then after I was done with it,
I was like, okay, well, you know, I'm ready for
another drink, but I'm not going to have that
again, right? Right. But he wasn't anywhere around,
right? So I was like kind of going over to his
bar and, you know, and I was looking around.
You don't open an unopened bottle. Correct. At
somebody's house. Unless they tell you, hey,
open whatever you want. Hey, mine is yours. Open
up anything you want. Absolutely. I didn't get
any of that. Anyway, so I solicited the help
of the daughter. And, you know, she was like,
oh, yeah, open up whatever you want. I was like,
yeah, no, you don't do that. Right. I was like,
you know. Anyway, so I was hunting around. How
old was the daughter? She's 27. I don't know.
Yeah, she's 27. So she was just like. He doesn't
care. Right. Right. He doesn't care. Just open
up whatever. Yeah. He said he's for years. They're
closed. Right. So anyway, so collectors. So I'm
hunting around, but I'm like, OK, I'm not going
to be weird. They're in a case. Start going through
his cupboards and stuff. Right. Anyway, so he
shows up or she goes and gets him and he comes
back. And I was like, so, you know, the bottles
that you've got up here, you know, they just
for show or. And he's like, well. Yeah, you know,
I'm kind of saving those for, you know, the guys
that bought me those bottles. You know, we were
going to open those together. So why don't you
just have another Novichek? So let's talk about
etiquette. So I discussed this with my coworkers.
I was like, so what do you do? You're right.
So she was actually pretty smart about it. She
was like, you bring out stuff that you're willing
to share, but the stuff you're not willing to
share, you put away. Correct. You just don't
show it. Correct. Or you put it on the top shelf.
You can, yeah, but you're better off just not
showing it. You may not have a top shelf. I don't
want to. I mean, look, I get it. Right. I get
it, but at the same time, dude, I have a collection.
Here it is. You can drink anything from this
section here. The rest of it, fuck off. I guess.
There's my etiquette. Your etiquette's a little
different. The people you invite into your study,
they're your really good friends. You can say
anything to them. Let's say it's a co -worker
and you're trying to be cordial. I'm talking
about a more formal scenario. It's not just buddies
where you're like, fuck off, you're not drinking
that. I don't know. I wouldn't feel uncomfortable
telling that. Plus, I wouldn't feel uncomfortable
saying. I would just say I'm saving that. Yeah,
I don't think I would have added to it. It's
just like, yeah, this is for something else.
I'm saving that for later. Anyway, I just was
like, I don't know. It made me kind of question
what the etiquette really should be, right? Did
you have anything other besides that? I mean,
if you got one bottle of that and some Williamsburg
and, you know, and there's, like, you're skimming
the bottle there. I got my McKenna in the car,
but you'll get it. Right? Right? Anyway, I don't
know. You're trolling for carp for the bottom
dwellers, you know? I don't know. Because my
style is, you know, hey, do you like bourbon?
And I pull out everything. As a matter of fact,
I think I even opened a bottle when he was at
my house. Right. You know what I mean? Well,
what do you have up there? Did you recognize
it, or was that too long ago? I'm trying to remember
what was up there. I mean, it was Hell House,
which we know is really good. Well, I mean, look,
in my collection, there's only a couple I don't
want to open. I'll open up all of them. You have
a whole bank of them. Yeah, you have a rack that's
never going to be opened, ever. Oh, you're talking
about the 1845s. Oh, that's okay. It's an untouchable
collection. But that's a collection. There's
a difference. Yeah, I hear you. But, I mean,
the top one, which I'm like, oh, those are collectors.
I love those. The Rebecca Creek, I probably won't
open that for a very long time. The Tahoe Alarca,
whatever you say that, is 142, 144 proof. Yeah,
that one's staying in the can. I'm leaving that
one alone because it's freaking wonderful. No,
no, no, I get it. I get it. I mean, there are
definitely ones that you want to pull out for
special occasions. I think folks who may appreciate
it when you do pull it out. Yeah. Not someone
who's like, yeah, well, my bourbon experience
is Jim Beam. Try this 142 -proof top. Here's
a redemption for you. Hand them a 110 -proof,
and they're going to be like, oh, God. Because
we were. Do you have some Coke? Remember that?
We were that way. Anything that was over 100
-proof, we were like, God. There was a time where
we didn't even like rye. We were just kind of,
this is horrible. This is horrible. So I don't
fault them for that, but to your point. You're
not, don't bring out stuff that you don't think
they're going to enjoy. Now, I pulled out 1792
single barrel because that might be 98 proof,
but for me, that's a super smooth, you know,
so if you're going to try to like, you know,
tease them, like, hey, you might like higher
proof stuff, you know, take a little sip here,
see what you think. If you need to put water
in it or ice cube. Whatever, sure. Put a cube
in it. Absolutely. Anyway. Anyway, I thought
it was an interesting topic because, I don't
know, some. I guess different people have different
ideas about what to share. So anyway. That falls
in line with everything. It falls in line with
your wine collections. In fact, we could probably
relate it more to wine. I mean, you go into someone's
wine collection area, you know that there's some
wines that are collectors and you really don't
want, you're not going to put all those bottles
away. Right. Just leave them there and just make
it short and simple. Be respectful. Oh, I just
open up their little wine thing, and I just pull
out whatever bottle, and I rip it open. I choose
to uncork it. Get to Boone's Farm. No, no. I
mean, whatever. That was a $4 ,000 bottle of
Chateau. And I'm like, oh, this is awful. Why
do you like this? Oh, man. There's sediment.
I'm going to mix this with some orange slices
and soda pop. You're going to make some sangria
out of it. Do you have any Sprite? I told you
I did this. This is way before I knew anything
about bourbons. I was at a friend's house, and
he had, I think it was probably single barrel.
I don't know what it was, but it was obviously
important to him. But he was a super cool dude,
and he was offering it. Well, you said it was
Blanton's. No, it wasn't Blanton's. It was a
square bottle. It almost makes me think it was
a single bottle of Jack Daniels of some sort.
But I think it was nicer than that. Anyway, so
I didn't appreciate drinking it straight. I was
nothing but bourbon and Coke, right? And so,
yeah, I asked him, I go, you know, I was like,
you have any soda? I'll mix it with soda. I wish.
That's one of those moments you want to go back
in time and be like, come on, dude. Have you
seen the intermodal log? Oh, yeah. It was at
this time you knew you fucked up. Yeah, it's
one of those moments you can go back in time
just for a second and be like, yeah, I'll drink
that straight. If I can turn back time. But he
was never a dick about it. He brought me some
root beer out there, and I mixed it with root
beer, and it was amazing. And he just kind of
laughed, and he was a cool dude about it. I would
have said, this is one you really don't mix.
I would have said something. Yeah, you would
have said, before you do that, try it. Yes. I
would preface that if someone came over and they
wanted some of the bourbon they got downstairs,
I'd be like, do you like it neat? Right. No,
I want to mix it. Okay, then you're getting this.
Right. If you want to try it straight, here,
I recommend these. And you're not being a dick
about it. Right. You're like saying, hey, I want
you to experience different things. If you're
not a bourbon guy, let's have some fun with this.
Right. Right? Add a little water, add a cube,
add this, add that. Yeah. So, yeah, I agree.
And then you turn into kind of a snob, so to
speak. I mean, because then you're like... Yeah,
you're kind of like... Maybe you should have
an old -fashioned, how about a Manhattan? Maybe
you should try this. You got to have the Luxado
cherry. Just give him what he fucking wants and
move on. Or you open with, so let me get this
straight. You don't know how to drink bourbon?
Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That was amazing. Your
facial expression looked like Robert De Niro.
I hate Robert De Niro. You were him. You channeled
your Bob De Niro. You did. He looked just like
him. Let me get this straight. No, you lost it.
Good, because I can't stand that guy. It was
Chuck. Chuck had pulled up how Char. chartreuse
taste, and it said vegetal, herbal... Vegetal?
Vegetal? Vegetable? Vaginal. Plus a little lime,
I think, was... Vaginal lime? I'll have to remember
that. Vegetation? It could be pronounced that.
I mean, is there a... Hold on. We're talking
about vegetation and vaginal. What are we talking
about here? It tastes like veggies. How would
you say it tastes like veggies? Vegetal. Vegetal?
Vaginal. Or that. Vegetal. Vegetal? Vegetal.
Oh, God. Vegetalist. Tell you what. Ask the same
question in the second half of the podcast. And
let's see where it goes. Shut up! Right. Well,
they had the – you know what? I'm kind of curious.
I don't even recall. Last week we were – when
did the draft start? Was it Thursday? It was
Thursday, yeah. Thursday, and Sanders eventually
did get picked, right? Fifth round. Fifth round.
Fifth round. Yeah, well, that's humbling. Good
for him, though. Did you see where they're trying
to spread the – because basically the team's
running off like, yeah, he's entitled, idiot.
pompous asshole he had horrible interviews well
he is now or someone is trying to someone's trying
to spin it spin it that oh well he only did that
to the teams that he didn't want to go to yeah
he bombed those interviews so bad to the teams
he really didn't want to go it was fine i mean
that would still be in line guess what it worked
well i mean it's still in line with what they're
saying was his character and was his his you
know personality in these interviews i mean And
even in the ones that he wanted to go to, he
was still apparently arrogant and saying that
he was going to, you know, if you want a culture
-changing quarterback, I'm your guy, and I'm
going to go in there, and I'm going to be your
locker room, this and that. I mean, he was just
over the top. And I'm going to need this, this,
this, this, and this. Oh, he was making demands
about how the offense needs to be run if he's
behind the center. I mean, I don't know. I mean,
it was pretty clear. Now, is he a quarterback?
Yes. Is he good? It's debatable. Yeah, it really
is. He has a lot of hype. How tall is he? I don't
think he's super tall. No, he's like 6 '2", maybe.
He's not super tall. So that was the problem.
So when you combine the fact that the perception
was that he was entitled and he was all those
things we just talked about, and you combine
it with the fact that his skill set... wasn't
knocking anybody's socks off. His mechanics during
the combine or during his pro day for scouts
and teams and stuff, they were like, oh boy,
that's going to have to be fixed. Well, you had
some college kids punk him by calling him up
saying he was the Miami Dolphins general manager.
Did you hear about that? Yes. That was such a
shitty thing to do. That was pretty shitty. So
he was already sliding. So he had slid out of
the first round, slid out of the second round,
and then somehow some coaches, an Atlanta Falcons
coach, son, got a hold of his draft number. Because
I guess they're issued phones for the draft.
Just one number, yep. For the draft. And so he
had left it on a notepad, apparently is the story
I read. and the son saw it on a notepad and was
like, no way, I've got Sanders' number, and decided
to prank call him and say that he... And I don't
fault Sanders for this, because you think whatever
call I'm going to get on this is going to be
from an NFL team. Yeah, but his response... Oh,
I didn't see what his response was. Sanders'
response, I mean, during the call, it was kind
of like, I can't wait to be a legend or something
like that. Did you recall what he said? No, his...
You know, his comments after slipping out of
the first round. Scroll up just a little bit.
Yeah. It says, let's be legendary. It's been
a long way. We're going to take you to with our
next pick, man. Oh, let's be legendary. You know,
I mean, what a pompous, narcissistic thing to
say. Well, he's overconfident. There's no question
about it. Yeah. He's been taught to have. Endless
amounts of confidence. I don't have an issue
with that as long as he backs it up and he's
not demeaning to anybody else, right? I mean,
there's nothing wrong with being confident. That's
my take on that. Yeah, that's the half glass
full take. I can respect that. But I will tell
you, he had something nice to say or gracious
to say about the caller. Like they said, you
know, how did you feel about that prank caller,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he said something
to the effect of... They got me good? No, he
said, we've all done childish things, and it
was a childish thing to do, but we move on. I
was like, damn, if you had been saying that kind
of shit and had that sort of demeanor and humility
while you were doing all these interviews, it
would be a different story. Maybe the humility
was starting to set in at that point. Here's
the good thing. I'm not rooting against this
kid at all. This actually was a good thing for
him. I think so. Because it needed to reset.
I'm going to dog his father. He was probably
listening to his arrogant father about how to
act and what to do and what to say and all this
kind of stuff. And he probably realized, yeah,
that actually wasn't good advice. So I'm going
to be my own man, and I have something to prove
because it was embarrassing. It was humiliating,
to be honest. Right. It was humiliating. And
he ended up with the team that probably should
have drafted him number two anyway. The Cleveland
Browns. No, they have five quarterbacks. I know.
I don't understand that situation. You know what
I think? I think the owner, because apparently
when they drafted Sanders, they had a picture
of the draft room, and they were not, like, clapping
or anything. Oh, really? They apparently, like,
looked very stoic, and that made me think that
the owner said, you draft him. Because they traded
up to get him in the fifth round. Oh, really?
Yes. Huh. Which made no sense. So I think the
owner. And they took another quarterback, too.
Before him. Yeah, Dylan Gabriel. Before him,
yes. Several rounds before him. None of it made
sense. 50 picks. So who's Brown's current quarterback?
It was Deshaun Watson. But he's a piece of shit.
And he's done. And he's done. They got Kenny
Pickens. They got Joe Flacco. Which are two Super
Bowl quarterbacks. Okay. Kenny Pickett? I'm just
saying. Kenny Pickett. Kenny Pickett was not.
They're saying he was in the Super Bowl. No,
he's not. No? No. The exact quote was he has
to compete with two Super Bowl quarterbacks.
That's what the quote was. Kenny Pickett was
with Pittsburgh for a few years. I wondered if
he had played a snap in a Super Bowl or not.
I didn't know. Did he go to the Eagles? But I
don't know. I think he may have gone. No, he
went to the Eagles. So, yeah, he was a backup
for the Eagles. Okay, a backup but didn't play.
He did not play. Okay, well, that's a stretch.
To say that he's a Super Bowl quarterback is
a stretch. But anyway, that's what they were
saying. He was going to have to compete against
two guys that have experience. Joe Flacco's got
a shit ton of experience, although he's old.
Yeah. Anyway, so we'll see. I'm not rooting against
the guy. I hope he's been humbled by this experience.
So how is Dallas, how does our team kind of?
How'd they do in the draft? I saw mixed reviews.
Some are giving you Bs, some are B +, some are
C, C -s. I saw one was an A for the Cowboys.
I think it's a matter of opinion. Totally is.
Whoever rates those, right? Do you want skill
players? Because they really didn't get any skill.
They got a couple in the late rounds. Or do you
want the interior line? type folks, defense and
offense. Yeah, I think Jerry was interested in
rebuilding the O -line. Yeah, so it just depends.
I don't know who these players are, but maybe
you could tell them. I'm going to name three
of them. There's Tyler Booker, Donovan, Aziraku,
and Siobhan Ravel. Yeah, so an offensive lineman
was their number one pick. Was that Tyler Booker?
Tyler Booker. And how do you say that other one?
Defensive end? Oh, it's Aziraku. Aziraku. I have
no idea. He's a defensive end, so a defensive
end like Micah Parsons kind of a thing. Yeah.
And then Siobhan Revell is a cornerback, kind
of like Diggs. Yeah, I guess we're replacing
Diggs, who just left us, right? No, his brother,
no. Well, who just left us that was Diggs? It
wasn't Siobhan Diggs. Well, there was a Diggs.
Who just left us? The one that went to Houston.
Yeah, who went to Houston? He was from the Bills.
That was Siobhan Diggs. Oh, I thought it was
from the Cowboys. I was kind of disappointed
because I was like, damn, I got his jersey. No,
he's still there. I've got to go buy another
jersey. All right, it's good for another year.
Yeah, he's still there. But, you know, it's a
mixed bag. It's what camp do you live in. Do
you want the rebuilding the offensive defense,
or do you want the, man, we need another receiver,
we need some running backs, tight ends. It's
so subjective. You don't know who's going to
be a bust. You don't know who's going to, you
know. There are fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh
rounders that end up being superstars in the
NFL. Yeah, the first rounders, like Mossy Smith.
I think he was first round, what, three years
ago? Right. And he's not... Not doing much. No,
he's not performing the way they expected. Right.
It's a crapshoot, man. The game is so different
between college and NFL. Sometimes they don't
even peak until they get into their stride, which
may be a year, two years into it. If they even
get the opportunity. Yeah. And then all of a
sudden, they're there for two, three years, they
switch teams, and then all of a sudden, bam.
They're on fire. Yeah, it's like, how'd that
happen? It's dynamic. It's chemical. It's the
relationships between your O -line. There's some
sort of thing going on. A connection with the
quarterback if you're a wide receiver. Suddenly
now you're one of their top targets and you weren't
before. So overall, the Cowboys didn't make a
splash with their wide receivers at all. No.
They didn't pick up any. They picked up Jaden
Blue, who I think is a running back. And he's
supposed to be – From Texas. Yeah, he's from
Texas. Supposed to be really fast. So outside
of that, I don't really know much. I watched
him in a few games. But outside of the skill
players, I think that's about it. Everything
else is – oh, there's a Phil Mafa. Phil Mafa.
So how did your – Mafa. How did your Bengals
do? Again, mixed bag, right? Yeah. I saw a pretty
low grade. I was like, why? Yeah. I didn't know
why. It's kind of a mixed bag. Their first win,
Shamar Stewart, I guess is just the ultimate
unit. Does that mean they only got six picks
in the entire draft? Yep. They've probably traded
some and used some of their picks for trades
and shit like that. So how many is typical? I
mean, I know you get one per round, but shouldn't
you have like two? Oh, there's seven rounds,
right? Oh, there's seven rounds. Yeah. So they
traded one away or had to give one away for something
else. Bring up the Titans. I guess seven or eight
is basically what's normal. Yeah. God, it seems
like with the draft being so long. See, look
at that. We got a whole bunch. Well, it depends
how active you are on the free agency and trades
and shit. Hey, I'll give you. second and third
round for next year kind of a thing, right? We
have nine picks. And maybe this is a year where
a lot of shit came due for the Bengals. No, and
I did my research, and every single one of them
is a superstar, they said. Every single one of
them. So Cam Ward, is he going to be first string?
They said he, believe it or not, he's going to
have to compete with Will Levis and the other
quarterback they brought in. Curious. Which is
what you always say as a GM. You don't want anybody
walking in. thinking that they have the starting
role. You want them to compete, right? And you
want their backups to have a fire, you know,
and fight for their positions. There have been
plenty of backups that have excelled. And you
can look at San Francisco 49ers from the frickin'
early 90s, you know, Joe Montana, Steve Young,
and whoever the hell was after him. They had
three back -to -back. Who? Not that far back.
Colin Kaepernick. Colin Kaepernick. Oh, God.
What an asshat. Yeah. Who followed Steve Young?
I don't know. Because you had Montana, then Steve.
It's not fair. There are certain teams, like
the Green Bay Packers. You had Brett Favre for,
it seems like, 30 years. And then you had Aaron
Rodgers for the next 20 years. I know. Ridiculous.
It's just like, come on. And they didn't go through
a period where they had a shitty quarterback
and they struggled as a team. Yeah, and don't
turn your back on Jordan. Love. Yeah, another
one. He's been serviceable the last couple years.
Was it Alex Smith or Jeff Garcia? Oh, Alex Smith.
Alex Smith. He's the one who just destroyed his
leg. Yeah, he got hurt. He almost died. And then
he went to the Chiefs and didn't play for years
and years and years and then finally got his
chance to play again. Do you ever see what his
leg looks like? No. Oh, like now? Yeah, it's
bad. Yeah. Well, he played on it. I mean, he
played on it. It looked like Val Kilmer's voice
box. Yeah, look at Alex Smith's leg. Are we really
going to look at a picture of his nasty -ass
leg? I mean, look at that. That's not a very
good one. Get the one next to it. Good Lord.
I don't want to see that. What the? Yeah, I mean,
that's what it looks like. That's six years after.
Yeah, he had flesh -eating disease, a whole nine
-yard, man. Oh, my God. That looks awful. Yeah.
You think he's going to feel that? He need to
have a better plastic surgeon. Yeah, well, I
mean. They took that from his left cheek. That
flesh -eating disease. What? Did they really?
I have no idea where they took the skin from.
Oh, I'm sorry. I never know when you're telling
the truth. No, because he's not. He never tells
the truth. No. I think he spanked your lip. Yeah,
he was. He was smacking your shin. He was in
a bad shape. Ow, ow. Yes, he was in real bad,
bad shape for quite a while. Dude, that was a
horrible story. I mean, you have the, God bless
it, the Washington Redskins, Joe Theismann. That
is his career right there. There's a picture
of him laying on the field with his legs all.
Half of it was laying on the ground. Yeah. I
don't know how people come back from that. His
legs all over the place. God, the humanity. Yeah.
Yeah, that's awful. Yeah, it was bad. Yeah, yep,
yep, yep. Well, so, you know, it did. Who was
the big winner for the draft, do you think? I
really don't know. Yeah, I don't know either.
That's a good question. Yeah, I didn't do follow
-ups. I looked at the grades for Cowboys and
the Bengals, but I didn't look at who they thought
was the big winner. I really don't know. I think
there were, like every other draft, there were
people that they felt came out ahead, and there
were some people that, like, what were they thinking?
Well, again... You don't know. Well, AI Overview
says the Tennessee Tysons are often cited as
the draft winner in the 2025 NFL draft. The Titans?
The Tennessee Titans often cited as the draft
winner. I mean, what else would you think? I
mean, come on. The Titans have a quality organization
and great fans. So here you go. Do you want to
win the draft or do you want to win football
games? Oh, here we go. Here we go. I want to
win the draft because that's the only thing we
are winning right now. Are you going to carry
that trophy around? We were 3 -14, so yeah, I'd
take the draft. That's why you had 12. Fucking
picks. Other teams that received positive reviews
included the Patriots and the Vegas Raiders.
Looks like the Colts did pretty good, too. Keep
in mind also that the Titans are like, there's
so much new about them. A new general manager.
The coach is pretty much new. His coaching staff
is pretty much new. I mean, they got rid of all
these veterans, right? They got rid of D -Hop
and they got rid of, you know, all these people.
And so they're in total rebuilding mode. So for
me to hear that they... feel like they won the
draft. I mean, that's how you build a team again,
right? Well, I mean, this isn't how they feel
about it. This is how the general population...
Right. No, that's what I mean. I mean, that's
encouraging because that means in three years,
I don't know, we might be a real contender, you
know? You know, it's amazing. I'm wondering if
we have the technology today as we... If we had
the technology today, back then, when Alex Smith
was working on his legs, I wonder if it would
have been different. Nowadays, they've got these
robots that are starting to conduct surgery on
people. Not today, but they're about to, within
a year. They're anticipating within a year. Well,
if that injury had happened now, they on the
field would have just cut the leg off, put a
metal one on, and he would have played. He would
have just gotten up back up. Yeah, he would have
played probably a couple plays later. Give him
a toward all shot. Yeah. Good to go. Yes, yes.
Well, I don't know. How would you feel being
one of those people going in, knowing it's a
new technology in five years, going, yeah, you're
going to have open heart. This is how 2000 over
here is going to perform it. Meaning completely.
Correct. 100 % AI driven. That's what Elon is
driving. It's not a human running the control.
I believe that's what Elon says. They used to
crack the ribs and spread the shit open. Now
they go through your wrist. Things are different
now. No, they don't. When you have open heart
surgery. I'm saying that to put a stint in. Oh,
a stint. Correct. It's not quite the same. They've
got different methods now. Before to do the stint
stuff, they had to crack the open. Of course,
yes. Cut the entire rib cage open. I thought
you meant like. No, I mean, yeah. If you have
to have open heart surgery, yes. But, I mean,
with the normal practices they do nowadays, it
doesn't require that. Well, my dad had a couple
of those. He had a stent put in, and they went
in through the groin on that one. Like through
the pee -pee hole? No, side of the leg. No, side
of the leg. I know. I'm just being a smart ass.
Straight up the urethra. Yeah, right up the urethra.
Just busted through the bladder. And they put
a balloon in there. On account of his narrow
urethra. And then the second one, they went in
through the arm. That wasn't a stint, though.
That was trying to fix one of his... The flappers.
It's amazing, though. Yeah. So, I mean, clearly,
we're obviously having just... technological
advances by themselves. But to go to a point
where we're literally having autonomous AI robots
performing the surgery, how close are we to that?
I mean, why do we think? I know the Neuralink.
Well, we already have robotic appendages that
are going in and currently doing the operations.
Brain surgery. We are mechanically operating
the tools that are doing it. Yes. But it's still
doing it. And are we doing it with like a joystick?
It's an Xbox controller. Seriously, it's something
like that. Yeah, I mean, it's done in such a
perfect way. It's so slow and meticulous, and
it's proven. And I've seen it. It almost looks
like spider legs because you'll see these things
going in, all these different arms. Oh, my God.
And they're being controlled. How creepy. And
they're, you know, little. Pinchers and slicers
and scissors and shit like that? I would hope
that before they move to fully autonomous, that
the machine's going to do its thing, and I would
hope that there's a monitor that says, this is
what the machine's going to do next. And the
guy's like, yep, that's exactly what I would
do. Then it just goes... And you're in half.
It wasn't supposed to do that. We were just hacked.
I mean, what safeguards are out there? Wow. Just
like the Kia. Yes. The Kia automobiles. Uh -oh.
Somebody just hacked into the machine. No, but
seriously, I would hope that there's like a,
you know. The doctor is saying... What if the
AI all of a sudden becomes sentient? Mr. Producer
put on the TV right now, there's an egg where
the robotic appendages are actually peeling the
egg off, leaving the membrane. I've seen this.
What? That is pretty badass to be able to...
Okay, hold on. I feel like I'm watching a sci
-fi, freaky, weird show. Yeah, so they peeled
off the shell. exposed the membrane, and now
they're stitching the membrane, putting in sutures.
It is peeling. It completely, perfectly peeled
the egg. Yeah. In tiny little pieces. And they're
bunked. I mean, it's pretty cool. And it's doing
a stitch. So technology is pretty cool. It does
worry a little bit about being hacked. And I
will also tell you, like, you know how we just.
Oh, my God. Yeah, look at that thing. That's
what I'm talking about. Okay, hold on. Here's
a full body. demonstration. It's a dummy of course.
There's a dummy on there and it's got like a
gazillion holes or portals around his abdomen
where this rod will go in and perform different
things. On those rods Like I said, or the scissors
or the clamps or all the shit they need. All
right, so read that. It said the robot got a
98 .5 success rate way above the 85 % goal, meaning
it didn't just pass the test. It basically set
the curve. Out of 137 surgeries, only two needed
to switch back to regular surgery, one because
of a robot glitch and one because of a tricky
patient case. A robot glitch. Glitch. Does it
say how severe that was, though? Oh, it removed
its liver. Yeah, and these are robot -assisted
surgeries right now. It's not fully robotic.
It accidentally pulled its liver through the
hole. They have the audio of the glitch, and
the computer... Hold on, let me play it right
now. Kale -human. Kale -human. Kale -human. Right.
Matthew Broderick on the other end, thermonuclear
destruction. He broke into it. There you go.
Operation. Yes. That was a great board game.
It was, but I was so frustrated because if you're
on sugar and you have the sugar high and your
hands are shaking, it's like, fuck. Which all
the kids had back in the 70s, 80s. Thanks, Obama,
from the pyramid being upside down. Yes. Really?
It's ridiculous. Come on. The Obamas? Well, whatever.
I mean, whatever. Of course, it's not their fault,
but I'm just saying. You went from the Operation
Board Game to fuck Obama. I didn't say fuck Obama.
I said thanks. Wow. It wasn't a thanks to Obama.
It's a thanks to the system just kind of pancaking
us, you know? Oh, Jesus, Jeff. Just slowing the
shit all over the place. I am. I was getting
excited. Well, you just talked about. Your shaky
hands. Yeah. Can I have that pip -a -towel over
there, please? Yeah, you said that you... I think
you're not our sergeant. Well, do you, like,
rub it on your asshole or something? You said
that you sucked at operation, and now you're...
I know. So for those folks, Jeff lifted up his
glass, and he was insinuating, hey, guys, let's
talk about our bourbon. And he spun it, and it
gyrated all over the place. It did. It was air
-raped. We're going to jump on this real quick,
but before that, while we're on the technology
thing, I wanted to share that. I got a new car,
and I was going over some of the settings, and
in the settings... They had robotic surgery?
There are a bunch of... Make it stop. Make it
stop. It's in my butt. It's going in my butt
again. That button's going... Turn it off. Wait,
no, stop. Don't turn it off. But what I was getting
at is that the car is online. Yes. Yes. And it's
hackable. It's online, so information is leaving
my car. I don't want that. How do I take over
that? When you signed your agreement, you signed
all that. You did. I think I did the same thing
for my car. Now that I own the car, can't I take
that car and reprogram it? Yes. It's my car.
$5 ,000. Okay, so $5 ,000, who do you talk to?
I'm just saying. There are people that can program
it. Yeah, I'm sure there's somebody out there
that can do that. Absolutely. I don't know if
it's possible or not. I mean, it's just like.
Everything's possible. You can find somebody
to program it. No, I know, but will it affect
the performance of the car, though? I don't know.
It could. I don't know. I don't know the answer
to that. It's pretty intrusive. We should ask
AI. AI would tell us if we can. Circumvent. Yeah,
we talked about that a while back where when
you sign this stuff, you're basically agreeing
to all this monitoring in the car. Yeah. Because
you have these chips that this company monitors
and they sell to insurance companies. Insane.
You know, so all the new cars, all the new cars
will have that. I don't know how far back that
goes. Yeah, I want that stuff off. I mean, I
don't want it. There's some things on there because
I was driving and it was like crash, crash. I'm
like, there was nothing in front of me. What
the fuck is your problem? I'm not crashing. I
was changing lanes. Well, that's your radar.
You can turn that off, though. You can turn your
radar off. The radar was off. The radar? You
can turn it off? Yeah, well, there's a sensor
that tells you how far or close you are to a
car, and you can set your cruise control accordingly.
It's called adaptive cruise control. Yes, but
that wasn't effective. The whole point is I would
love to explore an opportunity to have a third
-party program, a third -party app jump in there
and just take over because it's nonsense. I don't
know what the possibilities are. Yeah, it's like
an invasion of privacy, right? I mean, I get
it. And it's collecting data on what you're doing.
And it's like giving you a rating. Sean, you
are a shitty driver. Your rating is an F. It
does know who because everyone is hooking their
phones up when they're driving. So you're Bluetooth
to it, so they know. Your Apple Play and your
Android Play and all that shit. Yeah, it's all
on there. They know who's driving. They know
who's connected. They're like, oh, well, this
guy doesn't watch Netflix the entire time. They
have all this shit on your phone. They just scraped
it off. And there's sensors in the seat. They
know exactly what your heart rate is, what your
pulse is, what your cholesterol is, what your
sperm count is. Yes, wow. It knows everything
about you. I'm waiting for cars to have mandatory
alcohol breathalyzers built in. No shit. You
know? I'm not against it. So, like, you lean,
your skin leans against the headrest? Well, it
just smells the atmosphere. Yeah, you're drunk.
No, I'm just, I don't think it's necessarily
a bad thing. I think that, you know, that is
one thing I would stand behind. I mean, because,
you know, there are some bad decisions that we
have all made in the past. And so, to me, it's
just like, if it were a case of... live or die,
of course, you should be able to override that.
But at the same time, you have to wear the scarlet
letter. If you're coming from the revel or whatever,
and you're coming out, you're like, fuck! Right.
And then you've got to walk home. Well, you call
an Uber at that point. That's probably a better
option. That'd still be frustrating, because
when you're in that mode, you're just like, I
can do it. But if it measures the ethanol kind
of aroma or smell in the air, how would this
bourbon do? We have 13 minutes. Alright, let's
jump into this. Alright, so we, as usual, Jeff
went to the cabinet and pulled out the advent
thing and stuck it on the table and then he's
kind of like, I did my part. And then someone
else has to go and peruse and pick out the other
one. So I picked out this whistle pig. And it's
the summer house, summer stock or farm stock
bourbon. It's the farm stock beyond bonded bourbon
whiskey. It's a, I believe a two years because
it's a straight bourbon. Well, it's minimum of
two years. Yeah. I don't think it's a whole.
Actually, it says age for a minimum of four because
it's bonded, right? Oh, that's right. Bottle
and bond. It is bottle and bond. So it is four
years. All right, so this one, well, I mean,
let's take a taste. Listen to the nose. Acetone.
Acetone with lemon. This review is a little brutal.
First greets the nostrils. I can really smell
the grain, but it mostly smells sweet like cinnamon
toast crunch. I got to be honest, it's not a
good nose. No, the nose is. It's not a good nose.
Well, wow, palate. It burns at first like nail
polish remover. Well, who's tasting nail polish
remover? Well, this guy, apparently. This guy's
a crackhead. It's not great. Yeah, I'm not a
huge fan of this one. And I'll be honest, we
haven't been fans of Whistlepig before. We have
not. And it's not that, I mean, we really haven't.
You know, and it's like, because we've got some,
I mean, we've bought out some nice ones, and
we're thinking, eh, it's like, eh. I don't get
it. And it's expensive for what you get. It's
very expensive. It's very strange. I'm not sure
why it misses the mark here, but. Okay, so go
back to the review. I taste a lot of grass. I
made the note of grass. It's very corn. How much
of it is sweet? There's sweet on there. So I
agree, Chuck. This is kind of a harsh review.
So on the palate, it burns like nail polish.
You said pass that lemon and orange peel bring
the flavor. It has a mellow sweetness compared
to other bourbons. I agree with that. But it
tastes like Damara or brown sugar. Okay, which
is not a bad thing. That's not a bad thing. Brown
sugar is a good taste. What is that stuff you
brought to the podcast, those little squares
that were... Durian? Yeah, it's got a durian
kind of aftertaste. That's not a flattering review
there. But you know what? It's kind of addicting.
Durian was wholly unique into itself. This, I
pick up grass and a lot of tobacco. That's about
all I get. It's sweetness. That's about all I
get out of it. I tell you what, when you let
it... When you savor it, let it run over the
tongue for an extended period, it brings no richness
at all. Right. It is kind of thin for the proof.
It's very thin. I told my wife that as well.
I was like, it's a pretty thin bourbon. It's
got no legs. It's strange. Actually, it does
have legs. Surprisingly. She wasn't a huge fan
of this. Surprisingly. She's like, the front
end is better than the palate or the finish.
Or vice versa. I can't remember. It's interesting.
So much goes into the mash bill and the distilling
process and the hearts and the tails and all
this kind of stuff. How does one miss the mark
so dramatically compared to another one? I think
a lot of times these guys just write on the coattails
of their name. You think so? And they just slap
a label on it, kick out the fucking door. Hey,
we got 5 ,000 barrels. Let's sell some shit.
So this is 51 % corn and 49 % rye. What was the
percentage of rye? 49. Oh, shit. Okay. Yeah.
So it's high rye. 51 corn, 49 rye. So this is
an extreme rye. That is a rye? No, it's a bourbon.
It's a bourbon. It's a high rye bourbon. It's
an extremely high profile rye. Because even 20
% they'll say is a high profile rye. This is
an extremely high profile rye. So maybe that
factors into it. It's got to, right? Again, I
think it's thin. 400? It is really weird. I don't
know. The sweetness is okay, but the rest of
it I could do without. Yeah, me too. Cigar box.
This is going to be a pretty harsh rating for
me. Barrel says char 3. Char 3. It's not very
dark for four years either, I don't think. Let's
rate it. I'm going to give this a 5 .5. Five
and a half. I was going to go even lower than
that. I was going to say four nine. Do it. Yeah.
You need to. It puts me in the four range, which
I've never done before. Yeah. I got Eagle Rare
at three eight, I think. I don't think so. I
did. I rated it three eight. Hold on. You rated
Eagle Rare at a three what? I did. I think a
three eight, three nine. I wasn't happy with
it. I don't remember that. I don't remember that
either. I don't either. Was that when you woke
up from your coma? No. But I did wake up last
night with a strange dream. So weird. Talk about
that later. Do we have to? Was it wet? No, no.
It had to do with setting a bomb up near the
base of a dam going to flood this valley. It
was crazy. Weird. So you're a terrorist. No.
Well, I guess essentially it was for the people
that wanted to live there. Did you want the insurance
claim? Is that what you're going for? I had nothing
to do with that. Did you rate this or not? Did
you rate it? No, I was about to. I was going
to say 4 .5. There you go. 4 .5 or 4 .9. 5 .5?
5 .5. Okay. Just because of the sweetness. The
Whistlepig Farmstock Rye Bottle to Bomb Crop
No. 3 presents a nose of sweet and aromatic notes
with vanilla, roasted chestnuts, hints of cigar
box, whatever. I'm not getting the vanilla. Yeah.
Oh, no vanilla. They're not getting the vanilla
at all. On the palate, it's supposed to say it
offers oak toffee, baking spices. Is this a single
barrel? It's not a single barrel, is it? Okay.
I was going to say. It probably would have helped.
It's followed by notes of creme brulee and rose
petals. It is, in fact, a single barrel. It is.
It is? Correct. No shit. Well, they need to pick
another one, I guess. Because whatever this guy
reviewed could be completely different than what
we have. Harsh, right? It's got some sweetness,
but, man, it doesn't last. I don't get it. It's
all right. Look, I mean, if someone handed this
to me at a party, I would drink it. It's mid.
It's mid. You know, is it better than Novacek
84? But it's $100, too. So think, you know. Okay.
All right. I may have to reevaluate my. Yeah.
That's going to make it plummet. $100 and 100
proof. Are you serious? $100? No. Oh, shit. I'm
below five at this point. Yeah, we need to have
the price when we do our grades. That does matter.
It matters. Yeah. This is not worth. Like I said,
Whistlepig is expensive for what you get. I'm
not impressed with Whistlepig yet. Me neither.
I'm going to adjust mine down to a 4 .8. Good
call. Based off of price. Because peer pressure.
$100? No. No, not at all. $100? I'll tell you
what. I took a lot in just now. I threw back
whatever was left to my glass. And I did know
with a lot in your mouth like that, it was sweet.
Yeah. Taste a lot of the rose petals. That's
the only endearing thing that I picked up on
was the sweetness. So it was just bleh for me.
All right. Well, not one of our favorites, but
that's okay. Yeah. Again, if you're at a friend's
house and he's like, hey, I've got some Whistle
Pig. You want to share some with me? Well, you're
going to say, yeah, I don't drink that. No. Exactly.
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Whistlepig, I believe it's MGP. Does the bottle
say distilled Indiana? Product of Vermont. Aged
and bottled by Whistle Pig, Whistle Company,
Shoreham, Vermont. You know what? So it's aged
and bottled by Whistle Pig. So they don't distill
their own stuff, I believe. I actually, now that
you mention it, I had a friend that went to Vermont
and visited this distillery in Vermont. So they
do make their own stuff. They do. I don't know.
Is that right? I don't know. I thought I heard
that they did not. I'm not 100%. That's why.
I think he went up there. He was up there, and
they wanted to visit a distillery, and they went
there. My wife wants to do, and this sounds like
a good idea to me, they have the cheese trail,
the Vermont cheese trail. Instead of the bourbon
trail, there's a Vermont cheese trail. Nice.
And just like they have a map, and you pull it
up, and there's all these little cheese. How
does Vermont cheese compare to Wisconsin cheese?
Like a Vermont cheddar compared to a— Like who
is known— Depends on the cows on what they're
sourcing of food. I mean, the Vermont has a different
style of grass. It may be rich in certain acids
as opposed to— But who would be more respected,
right? Like Kentucky's got a bourbon trail, right?
Now Texas probably has a bourbon trail. But who
is— I don't know. I don't know either. I don't
know if cheese is really— Just to be clear to
back up here, Whistlepig does not solely make
its own juice. While they are an estate producer,
meaning they grow their own rye, make some of
their spirits on site, they also rely on outsourced
sources, including distilleries like NGP from
Indiana and Alberta Premium for the portion of
their whiskeys. Alberta Premium. Is that like
a Canadian whiskey? So a portion of their whiskeys.
I didn't know that. So they distill some of their
own stuff. They do. They do some. Some. Some.
But we don't know which ones. It makes me kind
of wonder. I mean, to slap such... This is what
I'm talking about. They're slapping a heavy price
tag on... They're riding on the coattails of
just their name. And it's not even their own
stuff. Come on. Come on. I want to drop my...
Down lower. The guy who... Now we're in the twos,
all three of us. Did a hell of a marketing job.
Because people buy it. Hang on. So it says...
It still is a Mortimer still, and it's saying
that the Mortimer was installed in 2015. So,
you know... What is a Mortimer still? Well, it's
just the name of the still, like Fred or, you
know. Oh, they named their still Mortimer. The
Mortimer. They did. They sure did. That's cool.
If we had a still. You cannot visit. This is
not open to the public. Oh, look at that. So
they lied. So maybe they went to a cheese farm
and sampled a little cheese juice. That is interesting,
though. I do love cheese. I do. You know, charcuterie,
I could sit there. I mean, my kids love cheese
as well. Tara will go to the stores and pick
up small little chunks. Every special event we
have, we always have an assortment of cheeses
out. And I get so tickled when that happens.
Puts out some meats and little cheeses. Pull
up the map of the Vermont Cheese Trail. Because
it's not a big state, right? You could probably
go up and down it. I wonder if you get constipated.
Does cheese make you constipated? I've heard
it does, because my mom was like, you eat too
much cheese, you're not going to poop. Maybe
that's the block of government cheese. The government
cheese? Is that real cheese, though? No, no,
no. Powdered cheese is what Jeff grew up on.
Yes, it was. Is there such a thing as powdered
cheese? I guess it is. You put powdered cheese
on your mac and cheese? Yes, that's what we have.
Oh, be quiet. You did not. He's like, go slice
me a piece of cheese, and I have to. How do you
slice it, Dad? Boy, you got to put it together
in a bowl, stick it in the fridge, make it coagulate
like Jell -O. Get me four pinches of cheese.
Can you cut that out of mirror? Yeah, just sprinkle
it on my Cheetos. God. Yes. And they weren't
even real Cheetos. Yeah, so you have all these,
look at all this shit. There's a lot of them.
You know, how can you, I guess you won't get
drunk. You're not going to get pulled over for
DUI. No, I'm sure it's accompanied by all kinds
of wines out there. You'd have cheese breath.
No. We'll have a driver. Or a cheese west. Oh,
hell, get a big old oversized van. Have a bar
in the back. Wow. In Vermont. I'm reaching here,
man. I don't think there's much going on in Vermont.
It's beautiful out there. Oh, I'm sure it is.
Oh, it's on Queechie. It's on Queechie. Queechie.
I don't know if I like that name. Well, that's
the Queechie Main Street, Queechie, Vermont.
I don't like the way you say that. I don't like
it either. It makes me extremely uncomfortable.
It's Queechie. It's not just the way he says
it. He's got this little weird smile after he
says it. And his hand is down his pants. I'd
say Queefie. Okay. Okay. I got to cool this.
The second half is going to be bad if I'm not
careful. Yeah, the next one is a potent one,
too. How much time do we have left? I want to
start a new topic, but I want to make sure we
have enough time to finish it. Do we have time
to talk about this? Two minutes? Oh. Damn it.
I hate this producer guy. He's such a downer.
I'll bet in the northeast corner of the United
States, I have a buddy out there. His name is
Kyle Miller. Kyle Miller used to be a food and
beverage manager for multiple different... venues
out there. Would he go to the cheese farms for
us and send us some cheese? I'm sure if I asked
him. He owns a B &B out there that sleeps like
12 people. So if we ever wanted to go out there,
I'm sure he could hook us up. Where's he at?
Maine? He's in Maine somewhere. Bangor? You know,
I've got the address. It's at the house. I'll
ask him. I used to work with this guy at the
Four Seasons Resort in Irving, Texas. And he
was a good friend. He got married and kind of
disappeared off the freaking face of the earth.
I mean, how miserable is it to live up there,
right? How many months out of the year is it
like? Unbearably cold. A lot. I don't know. Well,
look how far north it is. I mean, literally,
is it like nine months out of the year it sucks
ass? And three months it's really nice? No, I
would say maybe four months. I mean, it's four
months miserable here in the heat. Well, that's
a good point. I would take the heat over that.
I don't know, man. I won't. You haven't lived
in it. It sucks. I want to know. I lived in Connecticut,
New Jersey. Can you look up the average temperature
by month in Vermont? In Michigan. Let's do this
really quick. Because, I mean, maybe it's not
as bad as we think. Here we go. Buy a month.
So I was talking to a gentleman. He lives in
Boston or on the East Coast. And he said it hit
to, there it ranges. All right, here we go. Here
are the highs. In January, 32, 35, 40, March.
April jumps to 55, then 67, then 76, and 80.
Oh, shit, 82. 70, 57, 46. That's not that bad
at all. No. Now look at the lows. Look at the
lows. Negative 400, negative 500. Negative. All
right, maybe not that low. Yeah, but still, the
lows can be low. It's actually not as bad as
I thought it was going to be. Nowhere near as
bad as I thought it was going to be. But if you
go to somewhere like Green Bay or something like
that, that's where you get a lot of the coldness
up in there. Is it the Great Lakes? Some areas
are just so cold, your bones hurt. Is it the
Great Lakes that are making Wisconsin so cold?
I mean, what the hell? I think it's the weather
dips down from Canada. That's where it comes.
Straight down. Right there in the middle. Damn.
It's a big valley. Yeah. So Vermont's like, you
know, humid and hot. I would never go up there.
Too hot. Yeah. I would love to live up northeast.
I mean, I never will be able to, but I'd love
to go visit. I don't know if I could live there
just because of the politics driving me nuts.
I could live there, but Shelly's always wanted
to do the trees changing. The Vermont cheese
trail? Yeah, yeah. Like, no, the trees. The trees,
the changing, the fall leaves, right? So you
land, I guess, in Boston, and you drive north,
and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. All right,
guys, the second half of the podcast. Thank you,
Chuck, for staying on top of stuff. A shout -out
to the Horseneck folks. We want to let you know
we tried out your stuff this past weekend on
Friday. We loved it. We got the cherry stuff.
We went out to a venue, and we drank it, and
it was good stuff. I enjoyed it. Shout -out to
the Horseneck folks. Shout -out to the Whistlepig.
Thank you for the opportunity to taste that stuff.
We didn't score it very high, but you guys. Have
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