We are back.
We're just brimming with excitement tonight.
And I am, at least.
I feel so alone right now.
Oh!
Oh, there you guys are.
I wasn't sure what was happening.
I thought maybe you guys left.
Oh, yes.
My favorite Christmas song.
Oh, God.
It looks up there.
Here we go.
I knew it was coming.
Pre-Christmas excitement.
You know what?
You're gonna be gone.
You're gone.
You're like, hey, I'm going to Hawaii for the next 18 weeks.
Actually, I'll be there.
I'll probably hear that in the lot over there.
No shit.
I mean, where do you get off complaining about Hawaii Christmas?
I don't consider this.
I know it is a Christmas song.
I don't consider it one because I never heard it growing up.
You know what?
I can appreciate that.
I can appreciate that Die Hard is not a Christmas movie.
Up for debate.
Totally.
I'm not so...
Oh, I admit that's a Christmas song because I think that actually means Merry Christmas.
What song are you talking about, John?
Why don't you play it?
Maybe our listeners don't really know what we're talking about.
I don't know if it's going to work technically.
Nice ad.
That was an ad.
I don't know.
You can skip it.
I'm trying to get there.
My little finger is...
We need to teach him.
Oh, there we go.
This is from the movie National Amplers Christmas Vacation.
It's actually a lot older than the one in Lime Big Crosby.
It's the first half of a podcast, Dudes Like Gus.
It is December 3rd, 2020.
Did I say December 3rd?
2024.
Yep.
You got the year right, too.
We don't have a producer.
God bless.
We needed that.
Stressful, stressful times, man.
We got a lot of things to talk about.
We've got some new stuff that's happening around the world.
Always.
Getting ready for the Trump.
I don't want to make this all about Trump, but it's going to be a podcast topic tonight,
which I think is amazing.
I've never seen a president ever acting as president prior to even being president.
Getting his cabinet all lined up and making it public.
I think that's fantastic, and I think it's a great thing to get ahead of.
I think it's a good precedent.
Dudes Like Gus, I'm Sean.
I'm Paul.
And I'm Jeff.
I think it's a good precedent.
I think every president should do this because I know the first term Trump, he got bogged
down for, it seemed like two years trying to get people to come in.
He didn't have his cabinet filled until a year and a half, over a year.
He was well over a year before they approved all his cabinet members, which was bullshit.
It's kind of like, you know, they did everything they can to stifle him and beat him down and
the Russian collusion and all this stuff.
Well, he's not my president.
Do me a favor, man.
That's got to go.
Well, it's even not that I fixed it.
What's even more frustrating is just like this time, the Republicans had the House in
the Senate last time.
Right.
But we had we had Paul Ryan as a speaker.
How correct?
So we still have we still have we still have Murkowski and who's the other girl?
I know there's two that Maine and Alaska.
Yeah, there's two.
Murkowski.
I can't remember the Collins.
Collins.
Yes.
Yeah, it's bad.
You know, but what's really interesting about this is this has never happened in any of
our lifetimes.
What's happening with with Trump's presidency on this second term?
No one in history in our history has has gone into their second term when you know, I mean,
like in a staggered in a staggered deal.
You know, I don't know if I mentioned this during one of the last parts of this is solid
on there, whatever button that is.
But I said this.
I don't know if I said this one of the last podcasts.
But you know, I kind of even though I was a little salty about him not getting the presidency
last session, I'm kind of thankful because had he had he got president, his hands would
have been tied to because they had the debacle of the Russian collusion still going on.
There are a lot of open ended or actually closed ended investigations that didn't weren't
able to reveal themselves.
Yeah.
And there's actually I've actually reflected on it quite a bit.
The House and the Congress wasn't set.
We didn't have them.
There's a huge it really, really worked out in the Republicans favor.
We got a full house for him to not win in 2020.
Because like like you said, he would have been bogged down in a bunch of shit.
And he learned so much from his first term.
And he had four years to figure out how to to think about how to think about it again
and to really know what he's taking on and to prepare for it.
And when I and what he's taken on is the deep state.
So I I I have read it on my phone and I find it hilarious because it's a big liberal echo
chamber.
Right.
It's huge.
And I get in there and I'll read some of these threads.
Oh, read it.
Yeah, read it.
Yeah.
Just a bunch of libs.
I mean, it's bad.
I think they've all abandoned Twitter or X and move to read it because they can just
hear themselves chirp.
Yes.
And support each other.
They're validated.
They're validating each other.
I've read several where people are like, I wish Biden never would have won and Trump
won in 2020 because that means we'd be at the end of Trump right now and we'd be done
with it.
But now we have we have him for the next four years.
They could be facing 12.
Yeah.
If you think about this, I mean, we now could have a 12 year run.
Hopefully where where where he set up J.D. Vance to be a mini Trump.
You know, I don't know, Phil.
I think maybe policy wise, but just personality wise.
Oh, there's no way.
No, I totally mean.
They're different.
I mean, policy, totally mean policy.
They're completely different.
Nobody like Trump.
There's nobody like Trump.
Trump is so arrogant and confident.
You know why they hate him.
Yeah.
One of the confidence, you know, I mean, just the fact that he made the announcement
was yesterday and today regarding the Hamas hostages.
Yep.
Just kind of like, oh, yeah.
Hey, man, there's going to we're going to rain.
Holy hell on you.
Unless you release them.
Yeah.
January 20th and we're going to fucking tear up the Middle East.
You know what that was reminiscent of is when Carter was president and we had all those
Iran, Iranian hostages, right.
And then Reagan took over and the day he took over, they released them all.
Yep.
What was the story behind that?
He didn't come out and say, I'm going to rain down.
Holy hell.
I'm going to release the wrong.
Well, I think it's what was that?
I think it goes back to competence, right?
You know, they knew Carter was a guy.
They're going to do anything.
They tried to rescue them.
That failed.
Perot did.
Yeah.
Actually, yeah, Carter didn't have anything to do with that, did he?
No, that was Perot.
I like Ross Perot.
Had a failed attempt to get to get his employees out.
And I think he would have gotten anybody he could have out.
Right.
But he tried to get his employees out in the helicopters.
It failed.
Well, they got the sand ruined the helicopters and they couldn't something happened on, you
know, several.
A lot of folks died.
Oh, I don't know about that.
I don't know.
I'm not saying it's not right.
It's been so long.
Yeah.
And we're so right about everything.
So I'm sure we're right on this.
We've actually never been wrong.
I've been.
Yeah.
I feel like saying that this is not the podcast of misinformation.
It's the podcast of incorrect information.
This is the podcast from Misfit Island.
Right.
This is the Christmas version.
It's just incorrect information.
And I fact checked us when I every time I fact check all of us.
Oh, when you edit?
When I edit.
And what's our hit rate?
It's we're low.
Like under 20 percent.
Yeah.
All of us were all bad.
Oh, that's hilarious.
And we get so animated.
We're like debating with each other and we're all three wrong.
We're so confident that we're right that we just sound like idiots.
We're so stupid.
Anyway.
Yeah.
And then they listen and people are screaming at the radio going seriously.
Yes.
All right.
So I thought that that was good.
We probably pepper in a few more Trumpisms a little bit later.
So other topics we're going to be talking about all over the place today.
I mean, we have football.
We've got fantasy football.
I'm not making the playoffs.
Evidently, you know, there's the math.
You have one more shit.
I could get bounced at this point.
I'm on a free fall.
I think I've lost five games in a row.
I've won five games in a row.
Dude, you are storming out of the cellar.
It was crazy.
I was in last place.
Well, I'm not last, but you know, I I could I don't know.
I haven't looked mathematically.
I think I could get bounce.
You're right.
You're five.
I'm six, I think, or six and seven.
I'm on a free fall.
I'm not going to score many points this week.
It's impossible for me to make the playoffs.
You're playing me this week.
I know.
And you're on a fricking tear.
I'm three.
So it's impossible.
Third from the bottom, you mean?
No, I'm number I'm second from the bottom, but I've won three games.
Oh, you've won three.
So it's impossible.
Yeah.
No, you're four and nine.
Am I really?
Yeah.
But still, there's is it is it is it the top eight?
So you're saying there's a chance?
No, because the eighth person is six and seven.
So if they lose their six and eight, they're still going to be better than what you have.
Yeah, you suck.
Sorry, man.
So, man, I was riddled with issues from the get go.
You know, it's mainly drafting.
No, it was it was not the draft.
Look, I had a great team.
I mean, Yahoo said I didn't do very well, but you know what?
My team scored very well.
You know, it's just they all got fucking hurt.
Right.
So the first after the first week, I think my first starters, all 10 of the first starters,
five of them were out.
And I've lost three of the people I drafted.
Yeah.
Yeah, I've lost.
Yeah.
Lots of red on your bench.
I've got some bad ones as well.
I just need to drop J.K.
Dobbins.
He's done for the year.
And he wanted my players, you know, do a little a little.
I'll give you J.K.
Dobbins.
You can have one.
He's on IR.
Big boy.
You want my you want my quarterback?
No, my quarterback's been doing.
That's all I had.
I got Joe Burrow.
That's all you had.
Although this last game, Joe Burrow didn't give me the points.
But when you team him up with Chase, they end up the points.
I thought my homes and Kelsey would give me that.
But they haven't done much of that this year.
Yeah.
You guys see the snow game?
No, I didn't watch it.
I did.
Was that Sunday?
I watched part of it.
It was that was a lot of fun.
Buffalo Bills.
I love games like that.
I love seeing games like that, too.
I think they should do away with domes.
Do away with domes?
I think they should.
I don't know.
Shelly was yelling at the TV.
Why?
Really?
Why don't they have a dome there?
That's so stupid.
And I was like, in my opinion, it makes it cool.
I'm from Cincinnati, the Midwest, the the AFC Central.
Everything is outdoors in the weather.
Yeah, it's bad weather.
But have you been at one of those games?
I've never.
No.
OK.
When the Dallas Cowboys Stadium was there in Irving, Texas, the ice bowl, I was at
that game and it was cold as balls.
But it wasn't snowing.
It was just really cold as balls.
And they call it the ice ball.
It was snowing, actually, because they had to clean the field off a few times.
And I remember for some stupid jackass that I had, I was wearing black ostrich skin cowboy
boots.
Do they freeze?
Oh, frozen.
They were they were wet because we're outside throwing the football before the game.
We're tailgating.
That was inappropriate attire.
Oh, absolutely.
I was wearing my big old comfortable Dallas Cowboy jacket on.
It was extremely warm.
It was excellent.
You know, and then not your feet.
And I'll tell you what, you can you can see us in the stand because we're around the 20
yard line and you can see us in the stand because on the left and the right, I have
my two friends with me.
They're Murphy brothers.
Right.
It's Bill Murphy and his brother, Steve Murphy.
And Bill Murphy was a radio personality for 97 on the Eagle.
And his brother was the drummer.
I think I've shared a few times with that that actually played with I want to say Rose
Toto as their backup drummer.
Nice.
You know, yeah, because their drummer, Jeff Picaro, died.
So yeah, they've run through some drummers.
So he that was kind of cool.
But anyways, he had 88 Keith Jackson from the floor from Florida.
Yeah.
And and we had 88 Michael Irvin.
So those guys both had their jerseys on over their jackets.
And you can see me in the middle.
And it was like so excited.
You're the one on the stretcher, right?
They were that they were taking out.
Oh, dude, we had so much back then.
It was so easy to smuggle in booze and stuff, even though we smuggled in booze.
The last time we went, you smuggled in a half gallon of bourbon.
You know, that's the only way to do it, because that's the last time we went to the game.
Well, like two, three years ago, went to San Francisco, the 49ers in the top.
You spent a penny.
Oh, pretty penny on ridiculous, man.
We play a playoff game, right?
It was a playoff game.
First of all, it was way too much money for the tickets.
I don't remember.
I remember thirty five hundred, but I don't think that was just my tickets.
I think that was like all four of us that went out there.
But it was still expensive.
And then on top of that, we go in there is kind of like going to the revel.
Oh, yeah.
And we sneak in our booze.
Oh, we're going to save so much money.
We're going to sneak in the spoons.
We're going to drink it all.
And then you drinking like five times more.
The hell, man.
Yeah.
That bill was still three hundred bucks.
Right.
Yeah.
All you do is double, triple up.
So that's kind of what happened at this game, because I've got this big old bladder, bladder
of bourbon.
And I've got it like keistered.
So I pull it out of it.
Hey, what's some of this?
Were you squirting it all over the people around you?
I didn't gyrate it like the revel.
Yeah.
The cord of bourbon come spewing out.
Yeah.
So there's something to be said about that, folks.
You need to educate yourself on what type of bladders to get if you're going to be sneaking
in bourbon in certain areas.
Because Jeff and I went to the revel and we filled up this bladder to the max because
you know me, I like to overfill.
It was like a full balloon.
I it had like a three eighth inch orifice on the underside of this cap.
So when you pulled the cap off, the pressure of the bladder just spewed the solid core.
You ever been to like Six Flags and they jump in water?
It looks like a solid.
You like is that is that a beam?
What is that?
It was the shot across the room and I was like, oh my God.
And the whole area smelled like bourbon for an extended period.
It was bad.
You got it.
It's all over the floor.
You guys are such idiots.
We were at the revel and they had they had some badass bands lined up because it was
90s rock.
Well, a little stone tip of pilots.
So we were there for about an hour and then all of a sudden they were like, thanks guys.
We're out of here.
We got the second man coming in and they had like heart.
It was a hard cover band.
They played a couple of their card as well.
But the thing is that everyone stood up and most people, the only people that were left
were couples.
And then here, Jeff and I are in the back and we're just like, oh, there's a couple
there a couple of days.
And here's Jeff and I and your shit face.
No, well, that.
But we have like these two glasses, you know, coke, coke, coke, please.
But the Coca Cola ice had run out.
We were like, can we get some more ice?
They're like, what are you guys doing?
It just reeks of bourbon, you know, and this bladder is huge.
You're literally drenched in bourbon.
It was like those bladders you bring for a camping out, you know, for showering, you
know, it's called a smuggler's delight.
That's what it was.
It was a smuggler's delight.
It was a hiker's bladder.
Oh, it was it was ridiculous.
It was fun.
But anyways, we haven't done that in a long time.
No, we should probably.
Well, I don't know.
You know what?
Maybe not.
I think we need to limit it because we were going like every other week there for about
three months.
Yeah, we were.
But we haven't gone in.
Well, I think we all six, eight months.
I think we all got kind of burnt out.
One thing it's it's freaking loud.
Well, the biggest thing was that the bill is huge.
Yeah.
And we were getting screwed on.
Well, I think we I don't know if we really were or not, but we all felt like we were
being overcharged.
Yeah, I guess the point where I was only drinking beer, I was like, I'm just drinking beer.
Right.
Well, easier to keep track of bringing in some of our I brought in like two half bottles.
Come on.
I mean, I don't know, man.
I mean, it's it's just it never ends well.
I mean, we have great intentions when we walk in there and we go and it just goes bad quick.
It does because we look at each other.
It's like, oh, it's just one.
And the next thing you know, we've got another one coming.
Hey, how are you doing?
Is that what did you order that one?
I didn't order that one.
I don't know where it came from.
I guess we're just going to drink it.
Another round.
Who ordered this round?
Hey, look, the roof's on fire.
That happened as well.
It did happen.
Yes.
I thought that was going to be a great white member.
Well, we were all watching it going, I know.
Where's the exit?
I told you guys I was like, get ready to move.
And you and you're looking at me like, what?
Another shot.
OK.
Because I didn't see it.
You pointed it out.
I was like, get ready to move because the damn speaker was on fire.
Yeah.
And the fucked up thing about this is that when everyone scattered and the whole building
cleared out, they they they tabbed out everyone's tab to the credit card on file for the table.
And so they put everybody's shit on my tab.
And that's when I was like, let's go.
Sean's got it.
Yeah.
So I went back to the next morning.
Of course, whatever, man.
They end up fixing it.
And they took off a bunch of charges.
That dude got fired, by the way.
Which one?
The the black manager, you know, the black server, which I kind of felt back because
he was actually a really good server.
He was he had a great personality.
I mean, he was really fast.
But at the end of the day, did your scamming.
He was adding drinks.
There's no question.
There's no way around that.
There's there's no way.
I mean, we.
Even I mean, some part of my mind, my inner monologues thinking, really, was he was he
though?
I think, yeah, he was.
He was 100 percent.
They all do it.
Right.
They all do it because it had happened multiple times.
And then we went the last time it happened.
We were all being, you know, as conscientious as we could write about how many we've had.
You know what I mean?
Well, I have like a little tick sheet.
Yeah, I was I had a marker and I was just putting it on my bicep and blade.
Yeah, but there were so many marks.
I was like, damn, am I is it running or like a full tattoo sleeve?
Yeah, I was like, I can't be right either.
Yeah.
Anyway.
And then, of course, we always claim we were roofie.
Sean's always that was Sean.
I think I was roofie.
No, I think it was.
It was the 11 old fashioned.
Yeah, no shit.
You are a sugar high.
You crashed.
Yeah, those were so there was so much alcohol.
That light back there is nasty.
So much alcohol.
I mean, there was a lot of sugar.
Yeah, that's kind of the thing.
You know, I kind of enjoy it.
I've been sharing with people about our my my style of drinking, which you don't subscribe
to, Paul, but I kind of I do.
And the more we talk about it, the more we get to know people.
And I think that's the thing.
I think that's the thing.
I think that's the thing, Paul, that I think is the thing about our my my style of drinking,
which you don't subscribe to, Paul.
But I kind of I do.
And the more and more I apply logic to it, it works for me because, you know, when you
when you have a mixer with with your whiskies, regardless, I mean, Jack Coke, Sprite, soda,
water, it doesn't matter what it is.
You're diluting it.
You're talking about the fact that you drink it straight.
Yeah, yeah.
So that's why I'm like because I was my cousin was in town or my wife's cousin, Chad from
Houston.
He was in town and he was like he's a bourboner.
And he went into my office.
He was kind of what is this?
I was like, well, welcome to Sean land.
Come here and swing on the dongle.
So he started pulling some some bottles off.
You can sample anything you want.
See this row right here.
Don't touch it.
Right.
What else you can have, don't worry about it.
So he sampled a bunch and I gave him the small glasses like to just just to have, you know,
the two ounce of the glass, just fill it up and just have fun.
Right.
Just enjoy it.
And I and I shared with them because he was kind of like, I like to mix it.
I was like, yeah, but here's the thing.
You know, you mix it for me.
I just get drunk.
Like I just said, you know, if you drink it with neat, no water, no ice, then, you know,
you got to sip it.
You're forced to sip it because it's not a shooting.
Right.
And that's the whole thing about bourbons is a whiskey's is, is that you want to taste
it.
You want to enjoy it.
There's an ambiance.
It's a mouthful.
It's fantastic.
I think that was part of the problem when the first time I had bourbon was wild turkey
one on one.
Oh, yeah.
And you'd go to the bar when you're 20 or whatever, how old you are.
And you say, give me we call it kick a chicken up there in Cincinnati.
Right.
Give us four shots of this and you just shoot it.
And you're not used to the proof for one.
No.
And then you shoot that stuff and you're just like, this is horrible.
Right.
And I didn't like bourbon and whiskey for a long time.
Right.
Yeah.
You got you got to to load it on it.
Yeah.
Well, not just that.
It was just I didn't like the flavor.
I like the proof, the scratchiness.
Probably would like a turkey one on one now.
Oh, it's good.
Yeah.
Like wild turkey one on one.
It's smooth.
Yeah.
Well, we've got we have a turkey.
Did we sample the 70th?
Yeah, it was the eight year eight years.
70th anniversary eight year turkey.
And we all scored a super high.
It was good.
It's surprisingly good because when people think of wild turkey, they're kind of like,
yeah, not so much.
You know, it's like it's like early times, you know, in early times.
It's like benchmark.
Benchmark at the Buffalo Trace Distiller.
As people look at that, well, benchmark isn't that great.
But you know, you think of the benchmark that's foolproof.
Foolproof is good.
That is fantastic.
Paul, I know you don't like that either, but you know, I need to try it again.
There's still have your bottle.
There's been multiple.
Yeah, I do.
Oh, actually, I don't know.
I think I should.
I have a bottle here.
We can already been knocked out.
Well, we have a bottle here.
We can do that one of our podcast.
Yeah, let's do it.
Let's do it.
We should because look, it is good.
It's a twenty dollar bottle at one hundred twenty five proof.
Yeah, right.
And it's tasty.
And it's it's actually it's a yes.
And it's a comparative to, you know, the in the same category as old granddad one fourteen
except it's got a bigger set of nuts.
Yeah, that's good for sure.
Yeah.
A lot of that stuff, a lot of the old school stuff is still good.
Same recipe, actually, I'm not sure if it's the same.
They change some things throughout the years.
Yeah.
Now that I say that, I think even early times because that got sold a couple of years ago.
I want to say to Brown Foreman, they said they weren't going to change things.
Yeah, I mean, but who knows?
Because it's such an old mash bill.
Why would they do that?
So successful to have seen it.
It's legendary.
And I haven't seen the early times.
In a very long time.
Yeah, me neither.
We saw it.
We saw it like like routinely.
Yeah.
For a while.
Yeah, the blue the blue label.
It's a hunter proof, right?
Yeah.
Battle and bond.
Yeah, that's great.
Yeah.
Cool.
You know, there were some things that happened this week that I do think we need to talk
about, the biggest one being Biden's pardon.
Yeah, that has was interesting about that whole thing.
There's a couple of things.
I mean, I think we all kind of figured he was going to do that.
The left did not.
And they were saying over and over and over again that the left, they follow the rules
of law.
I mean, look, even Biden's refusing to to to, you know, pardon his son.
And look at Trump.
Trump's, you know, saying that he's going to do this and do that.
And that's the difference between the left and the right rule of law.
He went and did it.
Oh, he did.
And in it, and it totally flies in the face and they make a lot of people eat crow.
Right.
And, you know, I don't even care.
I don't give a shit because, look, if I were if I were Biden, I would do it.
Right.
You know, but it's it's it's not a matter of whether I would have done or not.
I would have never lied from the beginning.
And that's really it.
He should have said, maybe I have to look at it.
That's what he should have said.
Right.
You should have said, well, you know, it's fucked up.
Yeah.
What I think is fucked up is that he's basically he laid a widespread blanket of of an allowance
that's it was very it's 10 years going back to 2013 or 2014.
It's 11.
It's very 11 years.
It's very specific, which makes you go when he joined the board of Burisma.
Correct.
That's exactly why he got involved in Ukraine.
But the thing is, is that well, you know what?
Whatever, whatever.
You know, shit's crooked.
You know, it is.
But the thing about it is he can't do that.
He can't claim the fifth anymore.
That's right.
That's part of it.
Let him on the stand and ask questions about Joe Biden now.
And he can't say, I plead the fifth because he's got immunity.
And if he doesn't want to talk, the judge could hold him in contempt and throw his ass
in jail until he's ready to talk.
Hunter Hunter.
Yes.
He can no longer use the Fifth Amendment.
How does that work?
Where did you guys hear this?
I haven't heard this.
A bunch of lawyers are talking about it.
This is because he was pardoned.
Correct.
He can no longer plead.
He has blanket immunity.
It's not because he was pardoned.
It's because because he was pardoned, he has blanket immunity.
Blanket immunity.
Therefore, because the Fifth Amendment is that you're not going to incriminate yourself.
He can't incriminate himself.
There's no way.
OK, there's no way to incriminate himself.
So he has he has to answer any questions.
So if they put him on the stand now and ask about this stuff and how his father was involved,
he can't say, I plead the fifth.
He has to answer or the judge could throw him in jail until he does answer or he just
lies.
And what would be the situation where they could get him on the stand?
Like how would that even happen?
How many times have they investigated Trump?
Right.
You don't need a reason.
Just do it.
You just charge them.
They did.
I don't know if I agree with that, but they could do that nonsense.
I mean, look, I still don't care.
I don't give a shit.
As far as I'm concerned, fuck off.
You know, fuck you, Joe Biden.
Fuck you, Hunter Biden.
Fuck you and all your corruptness that's going on.
Fuck Hillary Clinton.
Do they are, you know, and they're shenanigans.
It's all bullshit.
It built Barack Obama, probably one of the biggest fraudulent presidencies in the history
of the world.
Yeah, I'd be more interested.
I don't care about Joe Biden, whether we this is nice to say he's not going to be around
here much longer.
No, you know, I feel bad for that.
He's not.
But why go after him when he may be gone before the thing even finishes?
If Hunter has information on Obama or the Clintons or any of those other folks that
have been mixed up and all that shit, that's what I would be interested in.
That would be interesting.
Here's what some shenanigans.
That's why Hillary didn't run.
She did when she lost.
Oh, you mean why didn't you second?
Again, 2020.
Yeah, she didn't run because she would have lost because they would have unearthed a bunch
of shit.
It's just there's why wouldn't she have run so shady?
All of them.
So the corrupt, the Obamas are shady, the Clintons are shady.
I mean, you know, really, really set.
And look, people are going to be, oh, that's not true.
None of this is true.
You guys just being mean, you dudes like you, you fucking assholes.
But you know what?
When you look at it, you know, this person, all of them are like that, you know.
But the thing is that when when Barack Obama in his last Hail Mary to try to get camel
toe Harris into the office, had his little production and he said, oh, you know what
you said, you know what he said then?
He said to both sides were good.
I'm sorry.
I say that is you get good.
They're very fine, very fine people.
The fact that he said that is been debunked over and over and over.
He's just he lost so much credibility on that one.
I mean, Biden, Obama, Obama said it again.
Oh, yeah, he said that.
He was Kamala toe.
He was the most recent one.
Kamala toe to bring up the very fine people thing again.
The most recent one.
I didn't know Barrick did that.
But here's what's interesting about this whole pardoning thing.
So Trump has already said day one or soon after he becomes president, he's going to
pardon all the nonviolent January 6th.
Right.
And I love that.
I can't wait.
I can't believe they're still in jail.
I know.
I can't believe it.
And then I'm charged with a crime yet.
Some of them have been in jail for three years and they have not officially been charged
with a crime.
How is that not?
I wonder, do they get like recreation?
No, I've heard of some pretty shitty conditions.
No, not like the ball.
No card playing.
No.
I don't know.
Goldfish.
We can we can ask when they get out.
Hey, did you play Farkel?
Did you play Farkel in there?
Did you win?
It's a horrible.
It's crazy.
They might as well be in a Hamas concentration camp.
I mean, it's just I don't know what they're doing.
I don't know.
Of course, it's not going to be that bad.
It's not going to be that bad.
But some of them went to Rikers, right, which is like it has a reputation for being horrible.
I don't get it.
I don't get it either.
But here's what's going to be interesting.
So now Trump's going to get in there and Trump, I don't know if he's going to go apeshit
crazy with his pardons, but if he does shut the fuck up because Biden did the same damn
thing.
And I don't know why they have to wait to the very end of the I don't know why.
I mean, I'd be pardoning people left and right all the time.
All the time.
Yeah, I wouldn't wait to the very end.
It'd be like pardon 500 people all at once.
Boom.
You know, the other person I would pardon is that Marine that like choke hold that that
guy that was a.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, did he get convicted?
No, but they're on the verge of, you know, making the decision.
Yeah, I don't think that's going to go through because they never conclusively said that
that choke hold was the reason why that dude died.
In fact, it's the antithesis that this is New York.
It is fucking crazy.
So then they were saying Trump has the authority to pardon himself.
Is he going to do that?
Would he do that?
Can a president pardon himself?
They're saying he has for it.
There have been some for federal crimes.
I don't think you can do their state crimes.
Maybe.
Yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
But there have been some scholars that have come out and said he's got the authority.
There's nothing explicitly written that says he can't pardon himself.
I'm like, that would be crazy.
Oh, would think about what the left would do with the first thing he says it does, even
if it applies to New York.
I don't know if it does.
But if he just like said, yeah, I'm pardoning myself of all these charges.
I think that would set a horrible precedent.
Totally would.
Yeah, I wouldn't do that.
I don't think that'd be wise.
He's got bigger fish to fry.
Yeah, I don't think he would do that because I think that'd be setting a horrible precedent.
Basically, as soon as you become president, I'm pardoning myself from everything I'm
going to do for the next four years.
Well, they already said they have immunity from any the Supreme Court, right?
The presidents have immunity from any decisions made during the president's during his term.
And I think you're right.
I mean, these things are all being punted.
They know they can't pursue him right now.
It would be a waste of his time.
But the people who are unfairly unfairly, you know, their trial was unfair and everything
with like the January 6.
The other two people they brought up is the who was the Snowden member Snowden?
Oh, yeah, the guy that the whistleblower.
And then you had Julian Assange Assange.
He's another one that people have been floating as ones that maybe Trump should pardon.
Julian Assange did the WikiLeaks, right?
Yeah.
And I don't understand what that was.
Was he leaking a lot of sensitive information?
Yeah, well, because they were being fed to him.
And he made the decision to publish all of it.
And it was a lot.
And it was and it was, you know, spying on the American people.
And I mean, it's interesting.
Even Tulsi Gabbard came out and said both of those people should be pardoned because
it's because of their courageous, you know, speaking out against the deep state and the
spying on American people and violating our rights that they had.
They came up with new legislation to to counter that.
And had they not been courageous like that, they the Congress would not have done that.
So I was like, OK, I get it.
At the time, I was like, fucking Snowden hurting our country.
And and, you know, I was I was all I was wanting him to be caught with any one to Russia.
He's in Russia.
So is he currently in Russia?
Yeah.
He's still being.
He's still hanging out in Russia under their protection.
Where's where's the song?
I thought he was in my I thought he was in my Portugal.
I don't know where he is, but I don't think.
Oh, is that the blonde haired skateboard riding dude?
Yes.
So he's got gray hair.
Yeah, gray, whatever.
But he's Tony Hawk.
No, he was getting angry.
They were the he was at a diplomat's or was it a he was at a place.
Skate park.
No, he was.
Roller derby.
No roller derby.
That's a better guess.
Where is it?
That's got to be the no more names.
No, it's it's where they have the soldier.
They have a embassy.
He was at an embassy that he was he like defected to, so to speak.
Yeah.
And he's staying there.
They were they were getting irritated with them because he was riding a skateboard in
the embassy hallways.
Yeah.
If you're going to do that, be a good steward.
Yeah.
Good visitor, at least.
Yeah.
That's kind of one of the things and then they took him out.
But that's funny.
You know, but he's he's got a lot of information out there that he was pushing on the he pushed
out and exposed a lot of people.
Yeah.
And I actually I actually would be OK if they were pardoned.
That's not a high priority for Trump.
Right.
No, but Elon Musk is pushing out there.
January 26th released the Epstein client list and let's the the client list for Epstein
and the duty list.
Is he really?
That seems like one of those memes.
But no.
How can he do this?
He can't.
But yeah, he doesn't have like he can ask.
He doesn't have classified access.
Yeah.
He's not able to do this.
OK, let me rephrase that.
What I'm saying, that's he was like, let's he was like pushing for it.
You know, I don't know what he was making it an agenda item.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
I mean, he doesn't have really if you think about he has no real authority to do anything.
He could come up with ideas and everything.
Yeah.
And then Congress would need to especially when it comes to the judge.
Doge.
Correct.
The Department of Department of Government Efficiency, which is great.
I think it's awesome.
The idea of it.
Well, but yeah, now they're also him and Vivek are also saying we're going to do what they
want to do away with daylight savings time.
Yeah.
Like, why are you interested in that?
Why are they getting poked?
Anyway, it doesn't matter.
I like to do away with it.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know how that is an efficient thing.
In fact, that's the opposite.
The reason why they came up with it is because they wanted more business to be conducted
during daylight hour.
So they adjusted the daylight so that they would have, you know, it would I subscribe
to that.
Yeah.
I mean, that's the whole point.
I mean, I work people would be able to work longer because it was still light outside
by a certain time.
And it's just an hour.
Right.
Is that is that is that true?
Am I making that up?
That's exactly what it's for.
That's what I thought.
I thought that was the whole purpose of it.
It was for the farmers, right?
Right.
Well, yeah, that too.
But it was to maximize daylight for the working the working people.
I don't know.
I think I should do away with it.
I think so.
Yeah, it's a hassle.
Yeah.
No, no, no, no one would follow that.
Why is it a hassle, Jeff?
Just because you got to readjust your entire life around it.
An hour.
Oh, yeah.
Why do you what do you have to adjust?
Well, like the people are automatic.
People aren't used to notice your life.
People aren't used to when you when all of a sudden you go back in the morning and it's
dark, people aren't used to driving in those times.
Right.
You know, it's just it's it's more than just an hour on the clock.
So I mean, I can think of that on the opposite side.
I mean, people aren't used to driving in the dark at five o'clock.
Well, they do now.
Well, I know.
And we've set the time back.
I just think it puts people on too much of an emotional roller coaster.
Yeah, we get to sleep in an hour.
Fuck, we lost an hour.
I think it's stupid.
I don't think it's yeah, I don't think it's necessary.
It doesn't matter to me either way.
I prefer to have the functioning hours to be to have more daylight.
If it's a sliding scale of one hour, I don't think it's a big deal.
It is a big deal back in the 70s and 80s, some 90s when you have to manually go in there
and reset your car radio and all this shit.
You're like, God bless it.
Now I got to do it again.
Think about it when you had the manual clock.
Oh, you had to sit there.
Well, yeah, you had to move the little dial on the back.
Most people had it bad.
Now you wake up on the day.
Now it's set to a.m.
Damn it.
Well, then you have these cities who don't follow daylight savings time like Tucson, Arizona
has no day savings.
So you've got like that.
Like were they right in the middle?
That doesn't affect them because it's light no matter what.
Yeah, because you got the two hours ahead of us.
Like Arizona, for example, they don't they don't honor the daylight savings time.
So it's like now the central and Arizona.
What is there?
There's a mountain as well.
It's central mountain and west.
Right.
Correct.
So the mountain in central have the same time zone for a short period of time.
What if we have no time zone everywhere in the world is the same time?
Why don't we do that?
That'd be a pretty mass.
Well, OK, so it's so it's it's Greenwich time.
So we're going to follow what's going on in England.
Perfect.
Yeah, I don't think I think it would still be the same.
I don't think it would matter.
I think that so now you're working at two a.m. instead of but you just have to run
to wrap your your brain around that time.
The element of time, that number doesn't matter.
You know, for for us here, 10 a.m. is is in the morning for people over in Africa.
Ten a.m. is maybe at nighttime.
You know what?
And if you think about the people who work nighttime now, they have a nighttime shift
and then they get off during the day.
Well, think about it.
They how crazy is it that they get off at seven in the morning and then they go and
have a beer because that's when that's when they get off.
Let's rally around this.
This is all fucking stupid.
I mean, I've spent on this.
No, but I don't think it's a big deal for the hour.
But I really don't.
But but it is interesting.
Same time.
I don't care either.
Think about Alaska, like far north Alaska.
Right.
There are they have they're never dark.
They have three months of darkness and three months of nothing but light.
Yeah.
You talk that's fucked up.
Yeah.
I mean, they and they say it totally psychologically messes with them.
What are you doing?
Does it?
Like like what?
Why?
Yeah.
Like how?
Because it's never nighttime.
So I mean, they they have to I mean, the human body, the human brain circadian rhythms is
absolutely true is designed for, you know, what happens during the day and your brain
gets rest at night when it's dark and you and you want your room to be as dark as possible
so that you can get more sleep.
I mean, so it does fuck with the brain and you get get very depressed when it's nighttime
for three months.
So we have these lights that simulate the sun.
Yeah, it's true.
That's the truth.
And it actually actually is a treatment for depressed people.
Yeah.
The the light.
So to send them if they're depressed, we're going to send them to to Alaska for the next
three months so they can pull themselves out of it.
Nothing but light.
But I guess I don't know.
No, I think that'd be problematic.
You don't have to go as far as Alaska, because I know when I visited my sister in my not
North Dakota, my boys were outside at 1030 in the light.
Right.
And you like had to call them in.
I was like, that's way past her bed.
Right.
They're out there playing.
They're having fun.
When we visited Germany, it was the exact same way.
My my my my grandparents were living in Erbbingen.
Erbbingen.
Anyway, there was a big field and we were playing soccer for hours and hours and hours.
And I was like, we was like, damn, we've been out here forever.
Finally my mom came out and said, it's 10 o'clock or 1030.
You guys need to get in bed.
I was like, well, how is that possible?
And we literally went back.
It is kind of weird.
It's very weird.
And we all we all went back in and sat at the window watching the sun go down at like
1130.
It was crazy.
Yeah.
It was the weirdest thing as kids.
We were just like, I don't understand.
This is awesome.
I find that I could see how that can affect a growing mind.
I think as older folk, I don't think it would affect me as much.
You know, but there are different folks.
I can handle certain things like that.
Oh shit.
There are people who get depressed in Seattle because they don't get sunshine.
They get rainy days a lot of the year.
So I don't know.
I mean, there's it's it's all over the spectrum.
There are different people that can handle different things.
I don't know.
Certainly think I don't get.
I don't know if I'd be able to handle three months of darkness.
I think I can handle three months of light, you know, but you know, that's kind of weird
because I've actually lived on the opposite side of the spectrum because I had to work
nights.
So I can handle three months of light.
It's not like it's high noon, right?
The sun gets down.
It's like dusk all the time.
Dusk all the time.
Yeah.
The sun doesn't go higher than.
Yeah.
So it's it's what's like eight o'clock for us.
Yeah.
It's not high noon.
It's that's light still.
So it's wacky.
Yeah.
It's cool, though.
Yeah.
So I want you guys to elaborate a little bit about that football.
We were talking a little bit about fantasy football earlier, but we neglected to share
the hit on Trevor.
Oh, yeah.
That was ugly.
I didn't see it.
Well, pull it up.
It was a wham bam play.
The guy seems kind of wheels off to me.
Oh, the linebacker.
Yeah, the linebacker.
He seems kind of wheels off to me or he could just be super intense.
I don't know.
He's wheels off to me.
I will tell you, he is super intense.
He played for the Titans last year.
It's Al Jazeer.
Is that his name?
Al Jazeer.
Yes.
So he was with the Titans last year and he is a super intense guy.
All right, here we go.
Here it is right here.
He's going to get a roll out.
He slides right here.
He starts going to slide.
Oh, he got drilled.
What in the world?
He absolutely got drilled and there's a melee and I don't blame him.
He slid to the ground.
He's still on the ground.
That's about as cheap a shot as you'll ever see in the NFL.
It's a brawl.
It's a flat out brawl and Evan Ingram went at the linebacker.
The linebacker, Aziz Al Shair.
God, it's so bad.
As he's going feet first down to the ground and I think Trevor got KO.
It's such a bad hit.
It's in Jacksonville.
The crowd's going fucking crazy.
I look at that and I don't.
First of all, it was a horrible hit.
Horrible hit.
But I don't really believe it was intentional.
Well, he led with his arm.
He loved with his arm.
Yeah, but look, look, look, look.
He led with his arm based on the fact that he was upright.
You know?
Yeah.
I disagree.
I think it was too.
He saw that he was sliding and he could have done something.
He could have done something to try to avoid, to minimize the impact.
But it's like Trevor, he went forward to block his body.
You could see it.
It was a body shot and then Trevor slid down below the body shot and he got hit in the
head.
I think, I don't know.
That's what I saw.
Until you get his point of view.
It happened so fast.
It happened fast.
Well, that's the other thing.
These guys are so fast, right?
And they're full on sprinting.
So it's not like you can expect a 235 pound guy, sometimes bigger.
I think he could have not used the elbow.
There are things he could have done to minimize the contact.
I disagree with that too.
No, because I see him do it.
I see it.
I see other pairs do it.
It was so fast.
Just from that small little snippet there, I could tell that he was coming in and he
was going for a body shot.
And hell knows, man.
He's probably going for a body shot, closed his eyes.
It did realize Trevor had dropped down because Trevor dropped.
He dropped significantly fast.
I mean, from standing up to dropping down and sliding.
That's been the debate.
I think the prevailing opinion is that it was a cheap shot.
Yeah.
And this isn't the first time I think you have to look at the history of this guy as
well.
Yeah.
That adds a little bit more.
Yeah.
So like I said, he played with the Titans last year.
I don't think he, he wasn't a cheap shot guy, but he was an intense guy.
Like he would, he made the big hits.
And so that was just another opportunity to make a big hit on the opposing quarterback,
which every linebacker lives for.
Right.
They don't want to hurt them, but they want to put a big hit on them if they're out and
exposed.
Yeah.
I think, I think earlier in the year he tackled the Chicago quarterback.
Either he was out of bounds or he was about to step out of bounds and he flattened them.
He blew him up.
Yeah.
You know what?
It would have to be, we would have to know kind of his history, but he was suspended
for three games.
Trevor Lawrence, I have not gotten an update on him, but I mean, God had a concussion.
So I don't know how long he'll be out.
I don't know.
And I was really hoping that Jacksonville would win that game, would rally and beat
the Texans.
Right.
Cause there's no better way to, to avenge a teammate, especially your starting quarterback
than to, you know, to.
Who's his backup?
Is it Jones, Matt Jones?
No.
Oh yeah.
Mac Jones.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
And he didn't play horrible, I guess, but I don't know.
They're just awful.
That's the most surprising shitty team in the league is Jacksonville.
They're two and nine.
Yeah.
They did well last year.
They, they did okay.
I thought they won the division last year, but they didn't.
They won the division the year before last, but they, they weren't great last year,
but still after winning the division and, and, and going deep in the playoffs the year
before last, um, they had cratered.
Wow.
So could the team shut down Lawrence for the season on Monday?
Henderson said the Jaguars would wait until Lawrence clears the concussion protocol before
deciding whether to shut down for the remainder of the season.
Yeah.
That's a big deal.
I mean, if you're two and nine, you're like, what are you doing?
Yeah.
Let's, let's sit you and make you full recovery.
Yeah.
Cause it said there, this is his third, uh, concussion.
Dude, it's almost like every quarterback has three plus concussions, right?
Yeah.
Some are worse than others though.
Cause man, the two, I don't know why he's still playing.
I don't know why.
All he needs is one more and he's done.
Yeah.
Like, like permanently disabled.
TKO.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
I don't get it, man.
I don't either.
But there was a, speaking of football, I don't know if you guys watch college football, there
was a lot of craziness that happened this past weekend.
Dude, all the flag planting.
Oh yeah.
What is that thing?
I guess.
I mean, there were several teams that did it this year and it caused a big stink.
What's that?
What'd they do?
Michigan beat.
Michigan beat Ohio state, a shitty game.
I'm a Buckeye fan, but that was a shitty game.
It was 13 to 10.
Yeah.
Uh, and then the Michigan player tried to plant the Michigan flag right in the middle
of the freaking logo, man.
You don't do that.
And the guys took a bridge to that and it caused a huge problem.
Apparently pepper spray got kept pulled out to control them.
Where the hell did the pepper spray come from?
The cops.
Oh, okay.
The football players like, so that was interesting because that's never been done before ever
pepper spray breaking up a scuffle in football.
Look at these guys.
I know.
Huge and violent.
True.
And it was, it was getting out of control.
It was out of control.
Right.
And, but I, I, I read a lot of like people saying ridiculous for the cops to, to overstep
and it's just a scuffle.
And I, I don't, I don't know if I feel that same way.
I think, I think if it's out of control and, and people could get seriously injured.
Cause it wasn't, cause it wasn't just football players out there at the time.
Right.
It was a whole bunch of people and coaches were trying to break them up and they're
not wearing helmets.
Right.
I mean, it got ugly.
Yeah.
But there were several other schools that they did the same thing and it caused fights.
Yeah.
And I don't, I don't get the whole flag planting and why there were so many this time.
That's just, you shouldn't do that for one thing.
Right.
In my opinion.
Cause I remember the Cowboys.
If you remember Terrell Owens did it and one of the, when he was a 49er and he, I don't,
did he put a flag?
No, no, he just stood there and did this.
That's what it was.
And then like this proposed Cowboys, George Teague.
Was that who did it?
Somebody went after him and flattened him.
Like blindsided him.
Yeah.
I don't blame him, man.
You got to, you got to, you got to stick up, have some respect.
Right.
I agree with that.
You know, and I think the buck guys handled it incorrectly.
I think Michigan handled it incorrectly.
Uh, that never should have happened, uh, in the first place.
Cause if they wouldn't have done that, that fight wouldn't have happened.
Well, and I tell you, when I was watching the Aggie Texas game and it hadn't, and that
was a crazy game because it had it not been for these three crazy turnovers that Texas
had, Texas would have beat the living shit out of A&M.
Right.
They're so much better a team.
Oh yeah.
And I'm a huge Aggie fan, but anyway, after the game, after the Aggies had already kind
of left the field, you know, right?
So they're, and they were, you know, doing the, doing some sort of trophy presentation.
Cause I guess, you know, it was the rekindling of this.
So they created the new like mold name.
Maybe I don't, I don't remember what, what they call it.
Anyway, at the, when they were done with all the interviews and stuff, some of the team
started to get, went to the, went to the A&M logo in the middle of the field.
And I was like, oh shit, don't, don't, don't even think about doing this.
Right.
And then I got to give credit to the Longhorn coach.
He, he went out there and told, uh-uh, get off the field now.
That's it.
We're not doing this.
Right.
So, I mean, that's class.
Right.
Coaches have got to reign this shit in.
Right.
It may be class.
It was kind of strange.
I don't know if it was strange or not, but during the Ohio state, Michigan game, you
see this Mealy going on in the background and you have like five or six guys, both Buckeyes
and Michigan guys kneeled and prayer.
Good for them.
So you see them and then all this bullshit going on in the background.
Yes.
And they're like arm in arm praying, you know, together.
Yep.
Good for them.
Yeah.
That is actually pretty good.
Good for them.
Calm within the storm.
Yeah.
I like that.
It's good.
What that is maturity, fricking maturity.
Right.
Oh yeah.
We survived this game that could kill us or hurt us horribly.
Oh shit.
There's so many, it's such a brutal, that's one thing I was reflecting on.
It's such a barbaric game.
I know we love it and I love it, but God, these guys don't, I mean, they're, they're
having permanent, permanent effects.
Yep.
I mean, every single one of these guys have a permanent effect.
Well, Brandon stopped after his freshman year in college and he still has pains.
Right.
You know, he'll have his fucked up hand the rest of his life.
You got to think.
She's insane.
You know, it's all their choice to play these games.
Of course.
Oh it is.
But, but even a little bit further back on that, I mean, there's, there are, the institutions
are the ones that are proposing this.
It's kind of like, you know, the Coliseum style just beating people up.
Well, that's what I told Shelly.
This is like modern day, modern day gladiators.
Are you entertained?
Are you not entertained?
Come on.
I mean, look, I mean, I don't, we're asking for it.
We want it.
We all do.
Well, the blood sport, blood sport has always been in human nature.
Well, and because money.
Money, advertising money.
We are paying money.
We are watching it, which makes advertising expensive.
We're also sacrificing our kids.
I mean, the college and high school and they're, they're, I mean, granted it's, it's, it's
a good way for them to do it, but at the same time, at what price?
I mean, your son, for example, knees and there's all kinds of ailments that he's going to have
to work through for the rest of his life.
Yeah.
I think, I do think football is good for the kid though.
Young.
Yeah.
Right.
Not that plus discipline.
Compromise.
Yeah.
I think even more so than baseball or something like that.
Cause I think it's more of a team sport because you're all lined up together.
You're really counting on this person to do this to be successful.
Right.
So as a running back, you're safe.
Correct.
Yeah.
You know, like in baseball, in baseball, there's some of that.
I don't think it's quite as team reliant.
I know.
I mean, that's interesting that you, you, you phrase it like that.
So especially the offensive line protecting the quarterback, that is a difference.
That's a different layer of.
That's why I think that's great.
Like Dan Marino from the Dallas, from the dolphins, the Miami dolphins.
I thought that was a fantastic little thing in the eighties when he came up with the,
the isotonic gloves, you know, cause those guys have to protect the quarterbacks, you
know?
And that's what he was like, Hey, you know what I want for Christmas?
I want those isotonic gloves.
That's what this is all the football frontline gave them.
Yeah.
So that's where he bought the frontline for protection.
That's what it was.
Yeah.
Right.
Yes.
That's funny.
But I can see, I see your point there.
Yeah.
I mean, because, you know, you can say part of any team, like you think you're in basketball,
baseball, you know, blah, blah, blah, but this is football different.
Yeah.
Football is definitely different.
I mean, but there are different dynamics.
I mean, the soccer, basketball, football is way different.
I mean, so many people.
But I think they're all good for youth sports though.
Yeah.
I mean, there are bodies on the ground that you, there are codependent on everybody.
Right.
And it's a, it's a function and you have to, the function has to work, you know, for it,
whatever it's going to be to be successful.
You know, in soccer, there's, there's a high level of concussions in soccer as well.
A lot.
Yeah.
More than you think.
Another thing about football is like when there's a fumble and all the guys are laying
on each other and diving and reaching hard arms, reaching in between their legs to try
to grab, you know, whatever, you know, it's just humid and sweaty.
There's a whole different experience, you know, none of them were in cups.
Apparently what kind of bar you hang out of it.
What are you talking about?
You can talk about football.
I'm talking about XFL.
Oh, that's football too.
But it's all right.
I'll tell you what we're going to change gears here.
We're going to, we're going to dive into the old Forester, our whiskey bourbon of the first
half of the podcast.
Yes.
1910.
Yes.
Yeah.
1910.
Two barrels.
One fine bourbon and a little backtrack here on the double barrel.
October 22nd, 1910.
That's my birthday.
A fire on the bottling line halted production of Old Forester.
Mature whiskey ready to be bottled instead was shared in a secondary barrel.
What emerged was a delightful whiskey, remarkable enough to become an entirely its own new expression.
Old fine whiskey.
Today, mimicking the historic building.
Sorry, bottling.
We're getting a raise over there.
The expression of Old Forester undergone a second barrel and granted exceptional character,
smooth flavor, clean.
Why don't you finish this up there?
I can't read that shit.
A law, a hundred proof.
This is actually 1910, old fine whiskey is the fourth and final expression of whiskey
roast series presented at 93 proof.
So 93 proof is, this is tasty as hell.
I got to tell you, it's tasty as hell.
So they are saying that this was their first experience with a double open.
It was an accident, yeah.
Well, not an accident necessarily.
Well, okay, the fire itself was an accident.
They had to put the whiskey somewhere so they put it in another barrel.
Right.
So the bottling, they couldn't barrel, they were ready to be bottled.
Correct.
They couldn't bottle them.
They had to figure out what to do with them.
Why didn't they just leave it in the barrel?
It was probably in a big tank.
Oh yes.
It had already been removed from the barrel.
And in a tank waiting to be bottled, so they had to find some other barrels to put them
in and suddenly they became double oak.
Yeah.
Hold on.
If it's in a tank.
No, no, it was in a barrel.
That's the first oak.
In a tank and they figured out what to do, what am I going to do with them?
And they put them into a different barrel.
That's double oak.
Why wouldn't they just take it out of that tank, which is a metal container, I'm assuming,
right?
And do well with it.
1910, I have no idea, probably.
It's a little confusing right there.
But do what with it though?
That was their dilemma.
We can't bottle it.
What are we supposed to do?
All right.
So why couldn't they bottle it?
Because there was a fire on the bottling line.
There was a fire that destroyed the bottling line.
Okay.
But so where is it at?
It's in a big tank, right?
So if it's in that tank, why couldn't they just take that tank and move it to a new bottling
line?
We'll have to go back to 1910.
Maybe they only had one bottling line.
I thought maybe you guys knew.
No, I don't know.
I don't know.
I emailed them.
I didn't even know this was a double barrel.
It seems kind of queer that they go through all that effort.
But I am happy that they did it because actually it doesn't taste like a double barrel.
Double oak barrel.
It does not taste like it.
It does take...
I wouldn't say that.
You would have to know.
You would have to taste.
Oh, we know.
No, no.
You'd have to taste it what it normally was going to be and then taste it in the double
barrel to really know the difference, right?
So.
I will say this.
I am going...
It's tasty.
I am going to score this high.
Oh, you really?
Yeah, because it is a 93 proof.
So it's on a different grade level.
Different scale.
Yeah.
And I am going to...
Well, first of all, the nose here, it's interlaced layers of buttercream, sticky toffee, cedar,
and apricot.
Oh, sticky toffee, not regular toffee.
Yeah, the non-sticky toffee wouldn't be a good fit for this.
See, I taste more of the non-sticky toffee.
Yeah.
So like the crunchy toffee.
Crunchy toffee.
So what we have to keep in mind, I think what we should start doing is we need to redo our
list, put it in the chunks.
And we need to have up here what we've done because we like in this section, we have Michter's
10.
Oh, that's a good point.
Yep.
And there was another one we had last week that we all really liked.
I can't remember what it was.
That was the same proof.
It was Pappy's 20 year.
Right.
No.
Oh, no, it was Milam and Green.
Yeah, Milam and Green.
It was Milam and Green.
Excellent.
Yeah.
Oh, that was really good.
Yeah.
And I think we have to remember that.
We have to come up here and go.
It's the Garrison Brothers.
Yeah, the Garrison Brothers.
Garrison Brothers actually is, well, I don't want to say it's superior, but it's got its
own thing going on with a punch of flavor.
Got to be excellent.
You know, I was talking to somebody regarding baking where you guys we were we were all
there.
We went to the 1845 distillery.
Correct.
We did.
And we were talking to Bob and Bob Pettit from the 1845.
The whole family was there.
Except Miguel.
Miguel was there.
Yeah.
You know, we'll talk about that in a second.
So but that was such a great adventure.
I would recommend anybody in the Dallas Fort Worth region.
If you're interested in finding out some true stuff, they've they've got a couple distilleries
up in the northeast quadrant of the Dallas Fort Worth area.
McKinney, South of McKinney is Lowy Crossing.
Then you have a Denison, which is a little bit further.
You've got Iron Root.
Iron Root.
Yeah.
Those guys with both those distilleries.
I'm sure there are tons more that are great, but I got to tell you, both those distilleries
have a have a great tour experience.
Excellent.
It's comfortable and not so much the tour.
It's like what you were saying.
The people, the knowledgeable, the knowledge they share, the story that they share.
It's really cool.
Because the thing about a lot of these different bourbon distillers out there is that they,
you know, you got the pots distillers and then you have column distillers.
Right.
And I mean, I don't want to break the news on it, but pot distillers haven't beat.
You've got that fatty acid esters that just really, if you take that stuff and it's kind
of like, you know, when you're cooking a nice wagyu steak and you're counting on that fat
to give it, it's junk.
Well, you still have that.
Still, Austin is a column still.
Yeah.
It's just different, but they go back.
It's still good though.
Oh, okay.
I'm not saying it's not good.
I'm just saying that it's like adding an extra flavor.
Well, they still have the heads and hearts and tails on a column still.
And they can choose, they can choose to include what they want to and not include what they
want to as well.
But there is a difference between the two.
That's what I'm saying.
And I think what Bob was describing the difference to be is if you want a consistent flavor every
time throughout the distillation process, then the column still is what that's designed
for.
The pot still is more on a batch level.
And you have much more control, much more.
A lot less taste.
No on the still?
On the column still.
Well, no, again, I think it depends on what they choose to do with the hearts, heads and
tails, right?
Right.
So, but definitely still.
But hold on.
Stop, stop, stop.
But that's, you nailed it.
What they intend to do with those.
They are most, they don't care.
They just run it.
They process it and they omit it.
Well, I think what you're getting at and what Bob said is a lot of places don't deal with
the tails.
Yeah, they throw it out, right?
But a column still, if they wanted to, they could still use some of those tails.
They just elect not to.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what it is.
Yes.
And I think the column is designed for like.
Constant.
Constant, yes.
Constant process that's consistent every single time.
We got 15 batches we're pushing through.
And let's roll.
It's kind of like a fluffer at a.
But the onion still, but the onion still is this batch got to do our thing.
And then, okay.
Do the 10% tails or whatever.
Now we got to do another batch and do the same thing or maybe not do the same thing,
which is, which is what the iron root guys, they have to call them and they have the,
the still.
And when they, and when they do their experimentation, like they, they love doing that.
Remember they did, they talked about, Oh, we can try this.
We're going to try that.
They're doing their stuff based on cognac style, which is wonderful.
Yeah.
But a lot of it's how they finish it.
But they also were that the still is where they do their experimentation.
So I mean, that totally makes sense.
And I'll tell you, I didn't know that before Bob said that this, this past week, I didn't
know that that's the, that kind of difference between the column and, and, and onions still.
Right.
So I have to say, I know we, we, we, we, all of us enjoy the higher proof.
We've had some really good mid nineties bourbon here recently.
They're great.
That has some good flavor.
Again, they're not as rich or as deep, but they still have a really good flavor.
Well here's another interesting thing.
Single barrels.
We always assume that anything under a hundred proof has had, had water added to it.
That's not necessary.
That's not true.
It's not true because I've had some single barrels from 1792.
I've had two of them now.
I mean, and they, one was 96.
You could still water down single barrels.
That doesn't mean, but I don't think they do.
They wanna truly good, but do they?
Yeah.
I want to get, I want to get more out of this.
We want our single barrel to be a hundred proof.
Well that, that's where you get to the column still kind of method where, you know, you've
got, you've got instead of just a batch, you've got multiple batches and they, they, that's
where they tried like we're, we've got 116 proof and we're going to dumb it down a hundred
so that we can have an extra barrel after we processed what?
10.
Right.
So it would say, it would say barrel strength, single barrel or cast drank, single barrel
or something like that.
All right.
So let's jump back here for the old forced to 1910 number of tasting notes, including
the aromas, which we listed the buttercream sticky toffee, you see cedar and apricot,
the taste a smooth, uh, well rounded, uh, oatmeal, raisin cookie, milk chocolate, caramel,
corn and spice.
I endorse every single one of those.
I really enjoy the taste of this.
That's good.
I really am.
This is, it's kind of, man, it's really great.
I'm definitely picking up the chart Oak on the, on the finished.
I just finished mine.
So, uh, I need more.
Do we have any more?
No, we, we dumped it in case you guys don't know, do like us listeners out there.
We have a, we have an infinity bottle.
Yes.
And, uh, evidently we've had that.
I gotta tell you, we've had this bottle, what this the third time it's gotta be.
This is one of our earliest bottles.
It's gotta be.
So we, this is the third time we've had it.
We only go around.
Yeah.
We only go around.
And we, I don't, I don't, I did not have this reaction from the first two times.
The second time, the third time here, I'm really enjoying this.
The third, I don't think I represented this correctly, you know, but for those dudes,
dudes like us listeners out there, when we finish a bottle up and there's not enough
to put it out three more glasses for us, we dump it into our one gallon and infinity bucket.
I think we, I think we're at 48 bourbons in there now.
Yeah.
Well, I just added more and I think we close it.
Yeah.
And then we start drinking it.
I agree.
Close it and start drinking it.
Start another bottle.
We should raffle it off to pay for our video.
No, that's a horrible idea.
There's a lot of bourbon in there, man.
It's a fucking gallon.
It's a gallon.
We've earned it to drink it.
All right.
Well, what do you, like, you want to go up to like take it up to Colorado?
Jeff will bring his oxygen machine up there.
Hey, I'm on board with that.
Wow.
We'd be severely shit faced if we're drinking a gallon.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
We'll drink it over seven days.
Go on.
Over seven days it could be done.
Yeah.
Are you kidding me?
Now you're talking.
Dude, we'll get that done in two days.
No, I won't.
All right, maybe three.
Not at 10,000 feet.
Oh, Lord.
Really?
Yeah.
Alcohol.
It would be faster.
I get it.
But still, I've never had alcohol up there.
We drank half a bottle of I drank half a bottle of regular bourbon up there in my hot tea.
Oh, that was his new favorite drink.
That's right.
This is the best.
It was good.
I enjoyed it.
It was hot tea and bourbon.
How often have you done that since then?
Never.
But you know what?
It was a great.
It was a great time.
We sat there and we watched TV and we got the we got your Elon Musk.
Starling Starling.
So we finally got some Internet out there and we started watching YouTube videos.
We're fagging out watching Olivia Newton, John videos and the Bee Gees, the Bee Gees
and who was the best drummer, you know, on the planet.
We did.
We watched the Bee Gees biography that you recommend.
Oh, yeah.
We're all tearing up.
We're like, oh, that's good stuff.
He goes, did your wife call you?
He was like, I would trade it all just to have my brother's back again.
And we're like, oh, yeah.
Did your wife call you right at that second?
I think she might have.
What's wrong?
And I was like, oh, yeah.
The what is the it's not living in John.
Who was the other singer watching?
Oh, the drummer, the drummer.
Yeah, but Karen Carpenter, the Karen Carpenter.
And we had the like the little the the the Roman style, the plastered dicks that you
guys were so bizarre.
OK, hold on.
Let me give some context to our listener.
Karen Carpenter is on a stage with her brother and they're doing a concert and it's like
weirdly lit and these Greek statues spread out along the stage.
Full anatomically correct statues.
Anatomically correct.
Actually, I think they were probably enlarged personally.
But anyway, so the camera, although they were small, the camera.
Anyway, so the camera is coming around and they circumcised going around the stage.
And it was, you know, there were anator penis.
And here's this here's this statue penis that goes like right by your face.
Wow.
Goes by to the side.
And it's like, what's that all about?
You rewind it.
Yeah.
What was that?
We watched it over and over again.
We did was on loop.
We had to take a picture of insanity.
Remember, we did a small video.
And then you enhanced it.
We send it back to us.
You did.
But it was fun.
It was so fun.
Jeff was.
He got air vac'd.
I was medically air vac'd.
You were.
You were evac'd.
Sometimes, not all the time.
I mean, because like you could take the same person up to the same altitude and it's not
always the same.
It's just like it's a lottery.
Yeah.
My dad's plays them the same way.
But I think if you have that oxygenator, man, I think I think it's willing.
We need we need an escape plan like a plan B.
We need a plan B.
We need an escape plan like a plan B type of thing.
Ready to roll.
Fly your ass out.
Well, I don't know if we want to do that same thing.
I mean, maybe.
Helicopter.
Maybe we, you know, go back down to all of us go back down to Colorado Springs and we
chill out there for another day and then we go back up again or something.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
We need to have a plan.
But you have to acclimate yourself back up.
Correct.
What the process is.
That or maybe the week prior you start using the oxygenator here.
I don't think that'll work.
I think it does.
Actually, we might want to research it because I think it does.
I don't think that works.
That's what my brother said.
No.
What does he know?
He's smart.
He's a lot smarter.
Yeah, but it doesn't work.
A lot smarter than the three of us.
He very well.
But I mean, regarding like pressure, that's different.
So it's because the altitude makes you have less oxygen in your blood.
I know.
But you're you're conditioning your blood.
Well, if my blood is 100 percent down here, look, Jeff, selling more is not going to do
it.
What I really want you to do is get a God bless and see pap machine, a pap, see pap,
whatever the fuck you got.
That's what I need one.
That won't help.
Not up there in Colorado.
I think it'll help you across the board with a bunch of stuff.
No, no.
It's more like I used to.
It has to be something that you jam into your aorta and your neck or something.
What does that mean?
What?
That I'll store.
I lost weight.
I started store when I got fat.
Oh, you're the same weight as me.
I still snore.
I was 35 pounds heavier a year ago.
Less than a year.
I guess you're missing my point.
My point is that the see pap will allow more oxygen in your body because it'll.
I don't want to sleep with that if I don't have to.
Oh, I agree with that, too.
No, I love it.
Oh, hey, man, if there comes a point where I need it, I'll definitely get it.
No, I want to be like it.
I want that feeling like I'm in a hospital bed, you know, and all these tubes and beepings
going off.
It's not that bad.
And Shelley looks at me and she's like, oh, that's hot.
It's constructively enhanced my life.
I know.
And that's why I pledge allegiance to it.
I encourage you to do it even though you make these claims that you don't need it.
You know, why not?
Give it a shot.
Good news, by the way.
We are now on a 21 episode streak of talking about see pap.
No, we're not.
Are we really?
We're pretty good.
I've been counting.
I was worried that we were going to break our streak, but you nailed it at the end.
You got it.
You snuck in the see pap.
See pap has been a big topic.
We have talked about it a lot.
It's not 21 episode.
In fact, I'm sure that the listeners out there won't even know.
I'd be encouraged.
Our listeners, we have someone in Helsinki.
Nice.
That's our number one location in the last 90 days.
Welcome, Helsinki, Finland.
Finland, yes.
Wow.
My son had, I should share that experience.
He worked for the Stars and you know, the Stars play in Finland.
Maybe it's him.
They played in Finland.
The Stars did, on like a three game match.
And so a lot of the people that worked for the Stars went over there.
He didn't get to, but because he worked for the Stars and he was an intern.
But that was a big deal that they went over to Europe.
So maybe, you're right, maybe Dallas has a connection to Finland now.
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