We are back. We missed a week.
Yeah, we did.
We did. What was going on?
I went to Albuquerque.
That's right. And then you went out of town.
And then I went out of town.
We can talk about that.
Yeah, we can in just a few seconds. It is a special day. It is Tuesday. It is October
22nd. It is right before Halloween. So exciting because this past weekend it was cold.
It was colder. It wasn't fucking hot. It got cool. It was in the 50s. It doesn't matter.
I get what you are saying. It wasn't.
But it was probably shivering.
It wasn't 90 degrees is my point.
Come snuggle on me, Paul.
You got me in the fever. You got the Halloween thing going on. It kind of brings up because
you got Thanksgiving right around the corner and Christmas right around the corner. I am
just getting fucking excited as hell, man.
All right. Thank you, Mr. Producer, for being on Thomas Stuff. We have a special guest here
tonight. We will talk about her in just a moment.
We do.
I am Sean.
I am Paul.
I am Jeff.
And Jackie.
And Jackie. Jackie, do you have a last name for this?
I do have a last name. But do you want me to tell you my last name?
I don't care. It is up to you.
All right. So I have a last name and it is McElvein, but no one has ever been able to
say it nor spell it. So it is Jackie Mack.
Jackie Mack.
The world knows me as Jackie Mack.
That's got a ring to it. I like it.
It does.
Welcome to the podcast. We are so excited to have you.
Thank you. I am excited to be here.
All right.
So this October 22nd, we got a special happy birthday to you.
Stop it.
Happy birthday to you.
There is a card for you.
Oh my God.
Happy birthday dear Pauline.
I don't know why my wife told you.
Happy birthday to you.
My wife.
I don't know.
I think there is some nudity in there.
No, there is no nudity.
Oh, wow.
There is not?
No nudity. It is kind of a strange picture, but that is nice.
Thank you.
Yeah. You are very welcome.
It says Paul, happy birthday.
And it has got some random Asian family.
Yeah. I just put a little festive family event picture on there.
Yeah.
Are you 58 now?
No. No.
Oh.
I'm just forwarding for me.
Oh, how old?
I am 54.
54.
I would never have thought that.
I was thinking more like 60.
Oh, wow.
Totally kidding.
This might be the shortest podcast ever.
Welcome, Jackie Mac.
There you go, Mr. Biden.
How are you doing?
I don't know why my wife told you that it was my birthday, but she decided to.
I knew it was your birthday.
It's on my calendar.
She decided to.
It's on my calendar.
And it's today?
It is today.
The 22nd.
And you came here to hang out with your friends?
I did.
Well, we are very special.
This was a special day.
I'm so happy.
I'm here to hang out with your friends.
This was his birthday present.
I'm with you, though.
Why would I do that?
Right.
Why would I hang out with these guys on my birthday?
Kind of strange.
I don't know.
All right.
So we got a ton of topics to talk about.
We've got happy birthday, Paul, sincerely.
I love you, buddy.
I appreciate that.
I love you very much.
And I want you to have it.
I hope you had a great day.
I worked.
Yeah.
Well, that's kind of typical.
We've got Halloween coming up this next week, which is an awesome thing.
You know, are you guys going to be in town for next week's Tuesday?
I don't know.
It's Wednesday because it's November.
No, no, no.
No, that's the following week.
We got two weeks to go.
All right.
Very good.
Two weeks.
Voting went around the corner.
But we won't know anything until probably end of December.
You officially call it.
They're already setting the stage for that, right?
They're already saying I don't know why this might be a problem.
Yeah.
Despite the fact that we've had decades of knowing that night or the quickly there the
next morning, suddenly now since the last election, yeah, we're not going to know.
Sorry.
It's not just the last election.
It's been getting worse every election where there's there's too many lawsuits and everything's
been fairly close for the most part over the last several.
And it's disputed everything.
I dispute this.
I know.
Well, I mean, and rightfully so.
I mean, you've got all these stories with the Dominion voting machines that have been
faulting and, you know, they've got these contracts of Dominion machines.
What they sourced from Venezuela.
I do believe it didn't Fox have to pay out over a billion dollars to Dominion for saying
the same thing you did for the libel.
Well, I mean, because there's no there was no proof.
So you know, there was no there was no proof that they were willing to share.
I don't have a billion dollars.
I don't know how that.
Yeah, I don't know how that ended up.
But I don't think it was.
I hate but we can talk about all that because we have early voting is already going on.
Right.
So all that kind of stuff.
But before we dive into all that, I would like to know a little bit about our guest.
Oh, right.
So shit.
So I actually had to participate.
All right.
So my understanding is these weirdos here with me met you at a Liquor King.
Yes.
And that's how you guys I was giving away free liquor and they're free liquor kind of
guys.
They really, really are.
Yeah.
Give me that little cup.
Could you pour a little more on that?
Yeah, Chad usually completes it.
Really?
Bigger than that.
Don't worry.
I brought my own cup.
You want me to buy a bottle and you're going to give me that much as a sample?
Well, I can tell you that I have told the story.
I swear 100 times, maybe 200 times about you guys coming in and having a podcast and how
fun you were.
Really?
Yeah.
And then I tell people like, you have to listen to the podcast.
They literally talk about everything.
Yes.
We're crazy.
It's true.
And half the shit we say is not even true.
We have no idea what the hell I did notice that.
Yeah.
Our producer has to pull up stuff constantly and fact check this one.
He's not.
Who needs fact checking?
Just say what you want.
That's how it goes.
Well, we think we're right.
So that's what we do with.
We do.
And then shortly thereafter, we're like, oh yeah, we're wrong.
And you know the awesome thing?
I'll show you how it goes.
Is that we found out that Jeff is actually wrong too.
Several instances.
Very rare, but yes it is.
No, it's, it's, it's.
But the important thing is that it's possible.
It's starting a trend.
No, I do admit.
It is possible.
So you're saying there's a chance.
I've definitely had some.
I've had some, I've had some, I've had some, I've had some, I've had some, I've had some
of that.
And I was like, yeah, I was way off on that.
Sean was right.
But if my voice is deep enough, so people will believe me.
Right.
Like I just say it with conviction.
It's the authority.
That's right.
There you go.
All right.
So, so walk us through.
All right.
So you do, you do sampling.
I mean, like you.
She represents.
You represent.
Yeah.
What, what walk us through that.
Well, you know, I, I'm a bourbon girl, been a bourbon drinker for a long time.
Okay.
Very involved in the bourbon community in Dallas, Fort Worth.
It's great.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's great.
Um, and I met a lot of people along the way and some folks asked me, Hey, you're friendly.
You want to serve a little bourbon?
Why not?
Yeah.
Why not do that on a Friday night?
Meet some people.
You're good at it.
Yeah.
I love it.
It's great.
I mean, here I am.
Here you are.
That's right.
I've met all kinds of people.
I went on a date from somebody that bought some bourbon from me.
Really?
It didn't go well, but I mean, I did go out on a date.
It was good.
It's about opportunity.
I'm an opportunist.
Did you get a free taco or did you get a free sandwich out of it or something?
No, but he, um, he works for a whiskey cake.
No free sandwich or free taco, but a lot of, a lot of really good bourbon.
You said that earlier.
What is whiskey cake?
It's a restaurant down.
You really don't know whiskey cake?
Yeah.
I get out very often.
It's off of Parker and the Tollway.
Yeah.
There's several around.
There's one in the Lions.
There's one in, um, actually I think I've been there.
Free point Parkway.
Yeah.
But they didn't, you know, when I was thinking whiskey cake, I'm thinking like, you know,
like whiskey infused food.
So they have a whiskey cake that will curl your toes.
Go on.
Nice.
Go on.
Spicy.
It has, uh, it's, it's kind of like, um, pumpkin spice, maybe a niece and, um, ginger
and all kinds of really great spices.
All the people.
Nuts and whipped cream.
When you describe it, when you describe it, it's probably better than it actually is.
No, it's not better.
No, I, I, I'm, I'm not doing it.
I'm not doing it a service.
No, you do a good job.
Your voice is like, you know, kind of makes it rain.
When I, when I go eat it, that's what I do the whole time.
I take a bite and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is so good.
They have a booze luge.
It's not a butt luge.
It's a booze luge.
Oh, we've got, we've got the menu.
We've got the menu.
We've got the bone marrow smoked data syrup, Grumlata and a shot of Bullet.
Ride 21.
Interesting.
21 year?
It's not bad.
Do you remember when I had a happy hour that that was why I couldn't go on the run with
you guys?
It was at whiskey cake.
Did you get the booze luge?
I did not.
And you know what?
I got a, thank you.
I did not.
Uh, I got a Miller light.
Yeah.
You got a Miller light at whiskey cake.
I did.
It's like ordering a water.
Right.
I know it's kind of strange, but I did.
I was trying to behave myself that night.
And I knew that it was going to be kind of like, you know, multiple stops with multiple
drinks and I was like trying to be good.
A Miller light, a Pilsner 4.2%.
And I did good.
I did really well.
I know.
No, it's just a regular Miller light.
So go to their whiskey list real quick while she talks.
I want to read it.
They have a great, they have an incredible whiskey list.
I didn't realize we're going to be doing a spot on whiskey.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, their price points are a little, a little high.
Yeah.
A little high.
Well, they all are right.
That's, it's a little frustrating.
It is hard to find a well-priced, a solid bourbon drink around here.
It really is.
Yeah.
Have you been to East side and Denton?
I'm not East side and Denton is so inexpensive and they have an incredible selection.
We'll need a driver.
$5, $7.
We'll have to, we'll have to solicit our producer to drive us down there.
Yeah.
That's a good idea.
And you guys can cause a lot of trouble there because they have a nice bar and then they
have food trucks outside.
A lot of people in music.
So we need protection.
Yeah.
I don't think the producers should be enough protection.
I think what the challenge is, is we have basically all of these.
We know how much a bottle cost.
I'm like, yeah, that's the, that's the part about it that really troubles me.
I mean, look, we're losers from, from all different perspectives, but multifaceted losers.
Is that what you're saying?
Pretty much.
I mean, so, I mean, we, we, we recognize exactly what Jeff said.
I mean, it's so expensive.
I mean, we got to the point where we were going to the local venue up the street, the
revel, the revel or whatever it's called.
And we go see, cause they have a bunch of eighties rock bands and they're seventies
rock bands.
We enjoy that stuff.
And every time I go there, we're like, we get blown up there every time we go there.
Let's get that other way.
We get fucked up or hammered.
There's a reason though.
And every it's cause we drink.
And we bring our own.
Well, I was getting there, Paulito.
God.
So, I mean, one of the things we had like, you know, $200 or $300 and we, an outrageous
bill.
And we were like, all right, well, let's, let's, let's bring something.
So I got a little satchel and I bring them a couple little half bottles in there and
we start drinking that.
And next thing you know, we're fucking blown up again.
And we were, now we start ordering old fashioned.
And we still get a two, $300 bill.
We drink just as much.
The whole point.
Except now we're blackout drunk.
Yeah.
The whole point was to minimize how much we drink from their stock.
I'm drinking beer only.
But the problem is we get loaded.
Let's just have one.
Yeah.
We get loaded on our stock and drink more of their stock.
In order for your friends that you just met at the bar.
Right.
Yeah.
Of course.
That's what we all do.
It's insane.
We usually have a, we have a specific table we like to sit in.
It's a little eight top.
It's, it's like closest to the stage.
You ever been there?
I have.
Yeah.
So we, we, we like to commandeer that, that table.
We used to go online and, and rent out all the chairs and out that, that.
We have not done that in a long time.
Well, and rightfully so.
We did, we did a lot.
Yeah.
We were doing it a lot, like once a month.
And it was, it's part of it was the cost and part of it is the recovery.
I mean, it's just like, I mean, it's painful.
Yeah.
It's definitely the recovery.
I'm like, where's my gun?
Where's my wallet?
Why am I on the front lawn?
I mean, what's going on?
Yeah.
And a wife beater, t-shirt and boxers I didn't wear out last night.
Oh, they're inside out.
Right.
Yes.
They're backwards.
So I know you're a listener of the podcast, so you know, we say vogue of things, but we're
inevitably we're going to filter ourselves tonight because you know, cause we have a lady
in the house.
Oh, but what we normally would say, well, I'm not going to say it.
You normally would say, I would, you wake up with something hanging out of your, oh,
you had to bring that's what you always say.
Okay.
And he was glossing over that whole thing.
I don't know.
I come with this and this and this.
Yes.
I want to get back to you.
You didn't get too much into what you were, we go on tangent.
So we apologize.
She has a normal job.
All right.
I do.
Is that what you want?
No, no, no, no.
We talked about that earlier, but the, the bourbon and the whiskey, I want to get a little
bit more into that and who you represent, who you do it with and some of the characters
you've been out.
And how do you get connected with them from the bourbon community?
Okay.
I'm the person I'm the connector in the group.
So I know if I don't know somebody, I know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody.
So everybody's always looking for the connector.
Nice.
Yeah.
So, um, you know, I like spirits.
I'd like to talk about them.
I like to talk to people.
Um, and, and when I drink bourbon, I do the ho ho ho.
And when I talk about bourbon, I do the ho ho ho.
It's, you know, it's all people are drawn to that.
They are very drawn to that.
I sell a lot of bottles.
Nice.
Yeah.
I'm friendly, outgoing.
Now, but how do you, how do they approach you to say, we want you to market our bottles?
It's more like, um, we need something, someone to market some bottles.
Anybody know somebody and everybody says, Oh, Jackie, Max, she'd be great at that.
Okay.
Yeah.
And it's any distillery?
Yeah.
No, not really.
I pour for a couple of distilleries.
Um, iron root is one of them.
Oh, that's a good one.
Yeah.
It's a great one.
I love, we enjoy iron root.
We do.
Yeah.
Yes, very much.
Yeah.
I love their product.
It's, um, it's a little different and you know, it's corn based though.
It's corn based, but it's, it's corn based from a cognac style of, uh, production, which
I mean, it's fine.
And not just the corn, but it's the type of corn they use.
They use all kinds of corn.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
Those brothers are innovators.
They are trying different things and they're doing, you know, trying different corns and
anyways, it's actually kind of fascinating.
Their story is fascinating.
Yeah.
We talked to, I think it was Nellie.
Yeah.
I just talked to Nellie as I was walking in the door tonight.
Did you tell her?
I did.
I told her I was on my way here.
I said, I don't know.
I'm walking into a house where there's a bunch of men.
Yes.
I'll call you later.
Please do tell me everything.
Everything.
She said, Oh girl, they tried to get me too.
I did.
I was on the phone with her and she was kind of passed me off to somebody else.
I was like, bitch, please.
I wanted you.
I don't, I mean, frankly, I'll take the other guys, but it's like, I was more interested
in you.
It's like, well, you know what?
I don't want to say anything to disrupt or offend the people I represent.
I was like, I get it.
And I was like, Nellie, look, come on is Nellie.
You don't have to represent anybody.
Nellie is amazing.
If you know Nellie, she's absolutely incredible.
Every time we talk to her.
And I will tell you that woman's bourbon collection.
She showed us.
She showed you the pictures of the bourbon.
Her whole garage is full of it.
Oh wow.
And a whole room and the living room and she didn't show us that.
Yeah.
She's got a lot of bourbon and she knows so much.
She's so knowledgeable.
It's like she's got a problem.
No, not at all.
So is this, I mean, I don't know my kind of problem.
Is this the mother?
Is this the no, that's Marsha.
No, no, no.
Yeah.
Nellie is the, I'm not sure you weren't there.
I have.
Yeah.
See they, they like to go on trips, bourbon related trips.
We were at total without me.
So someone had to go see ELO.
They do it regularly.
So, so, you know, it's an old man thing.
Yeah.
So are you not as fun as they are?
Is that why they're inviting you?
I think they have decided I'm not.
And that's why I'm not, I'm not invited to a lot of these things.
Equally fun.
He is.
Paul adds a different, a different shade of what's going on.
A different shade.
How do I say this without offending him?
Yeah, well, no, Paul is part of the group.
He's a component.
I mean, together it's, it's, it's, it's chemical, but you know, as Chuck said, I'm the four
year.
He changed that.
No, he did not.
Yeah, he did actually.
No, it's on the puck.
He's not allowed to change that.
He retracted that and he's labeled you as something else.
It's etched in stone.
Well, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll discuss that later.
But my point is, is that we each bring something to the table.
I mean, for dudes like us listeners out there, the first times listeners, I mean, we met,
you know, basically we met because our kids go to school to eat each other.
Right, sporting events and we just kind of, Hey, I eat the one I eat the one.
You know, it's like, you're as stupid as I am.
You're as stupid as I am.
Let's go have drinks together.
So you get hammered.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, Paul, I, we were friends for, for quite some time.
We did a lot of paintball shooting with, with a big group of guys and we go out to Potsboro
Potsboro.
And, you know, we, we had a buddy that had a house had like an acre and a half in the
back and we'd get like, uh, it was like 16 guys, 20 guys, something like that.
It was ridiculous.
We have eight on eight and we went and bought a bunch of cardboard boxes.
We create our own paintball field and just, you know, that was 15 years ago.
We did a long time.
We also have family connections, right?
I mean, yeah, your, your wife was best friends with blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then Jeff rolls in cause, uh, you know, my son and his son are best friends, you know,
and then I'm like, Hey, who's this guy?
He calls me up.
I'm like, uh, your son and, uh, I need him to say it like he does.
And that your son.
Yeah.
They decided to, that's like, that's when the first time I met you, they did my boys
Preston, his, uh, oldest son and my Stephen, you'd met him earlier, decided to paint the
side of my house.
Yeah.
A little spray paint.
I'm not sure exactly what they're, I don't know what they were building at what age they're
10.
Maybe it was ridiculous.
So Jeff calls me and I'm like, dude, brush it off.
It did not work.
It's still on there.
It is still on there.
It's kind of let it go.
It absorbs in there.
You gave me something.
He goes, here, use this.
It'll, it'll take it right off.
Graffiti remover.
You would think it would work.
It didn't work.
Yeah.
Hmm.
I don't think you put enough elbow grease in it.
I was scrubbing the shit out of it.
Well, what were you scrubbing it with a sponge?
No, it was a brush.
What kind of brush?
Like a hairbrush 12 years ago.
I have no idea.
I bet it was a comb.
You need to use metal brushes.
So maybe every time you have a podcast, you can get him to go out and take that cleaner.
It'll be gone here soon enough.
No, we'll take turns pissing on it.
Maybe that'll freaking work.
Oh, that'll definitely work.
Yes.
That's the thing with the boys.
There's no problem.
Any of them just step into the backyard and using it as a toilet.
Do your kids do that?
Your boys use the backyard as a toilet.
Yes.
Hell, I do that sometimes.
I think we have, they, you know, if they've been partying out in the back, they kind of
urinate in the backyard.
Yeah, I guess so.
It's closer.
Yeah, sure.
I have grandsons and that's their thing.
They just want to pee outside.
That's a guy thing, a boy thing.
I'm doing it less and less nowadays.
I mean, it's like.
That's probably good.
Yes.
That's progress.
I mean, jail time.
You know, there's some considerations.
Well, I mean, the backyard, not the front yard.
I don't think I've ever done the front.
Or outside the bar.
Have I done that?
I don't know.
You've done that side of specs.
What?
He did recently.
Yes, I did.
He opened up the car.
He opened up the car doors very strategically.
I'm like, what are you doing?
You're not doing what I think you're doing.
And he's OK.
All right.
Anyway, so that might sound like that gigantic cowboy guy that had the truck next to ours.
I wanted to go tell him, hey, you don't lower your tires.
But you know what?
I was worried about your health, so I didn't.
Whatever.
You know what?
Sometimes you just got to do it.
And I feel bad for women because they're they don't have that.
I mean, well, they choose not to do it because it's.
They can do it.
Not true.
Oh, they can do it.
Not true.
When you have to, you do.
Listen, my best friend, she will go anywhere.
It doesn't matter where you are.
She's just like, I go.
So I'm going.
Yeah.
Like in a parking lot.
Anywhere.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Not my thing, but you know, hers.
I know my wife before the road trip, she'd be like, just pull over.
I'm opening both doors right there.
That's what I do.
What?
Open both doors.
She did that when we were in Tahoe, if you remember.
We all got out and all you all went down into the woods.
She squatted and used the restroom.
That's probably how her parents did.
I recall that as well, pulling over on the side of the road, opening both doors and.
Yep.
My family never did that.
That wasn't that's not something we did.
Where are you from?
Well, I was born in Denver, but actually we grew up all over the place.
My dad was a geologist for Amaco.
So I grew up in Japan, Argentina, Indonesia.
Yeah, I'm a foreigner.
I'm a damn foreigner.
But I told you, I told you guys the story of when I was at Texas World Speedway.
We've been drinking beer all day.
Were you there?
That Mark was there.
Texas Motor Speedway?
No, I was not.
It was under the lights.
It was the inaugural race under the lights.
Do you remember that?
No.
Anyway, so we get done.
We've been drinking beer all day.
Turn the lights off.
Yeah, no.
I mean, it was normally during the day.
These headlights.
It was normally during the day and this was the first time ever at night.
So it was actually kind of cool.
And of course I didn't know the significance of it.
I'm just drinking beer and having fun.
We leave the highway parking lot and I'm like, dude, I got to go.
And they're like, oh, they pull off.
And I'm like, you know, stumbling down into the ditch and I get up on this barbed wire
fence is pitch black.
I'm like, oh, good.
And I'm looking.
The cars are not moving at all.
All of a sudden, I'm like, I blink a couple of times.
I'm like, damn, it is bright.
What is going on?
You know, they had turned the car around, put the brights on me.
Right.
While I'm peeing on the barbed wire fence.
And of course, you know, cars up and down the whole freeway.
I'm like, that's what friends do.
Right.
Yes, it is.
I would have ran you over.
I'm sure you would have.
I mean, not fully.
I would have tossed you some beads.
Ah, speedway beads, you know.
Yeah.
That'll work.
Yeah.
Those aren't the beads he likes.
No.
Oh, God.
I've never been anywhere.
I've never been to the Mardi Gras or New Orleans.
You've been down to New Orleans during that whole thing.
I haven't been.
I've been to New Orleans, but not for that.
But Texas Motor Speedway, like it's a big thing.
Beads are.
Yeah, I did not know this.
OK.
Yeah.
I move that bus for some beads.
Is it so it's the same philosophy as New Orleans?
Yeah.
Show you your tatas and I'll show you.
No, no, show your guys get the same respect if we show our boobies.
No.
Well, I mean, would you throw beads to the guys?
Dude, I'll put some pasties on little tassels.
Oh, throw down.
Please.
To get the hair.
Yeah.
If the beads are good enough, I'll.
So what do you do?
You have some kind of like Chuck E.
Cheese, you trade in the beads for like you get like stuffed toys and stuff or a basketball
or something.
I know.
What do you do with the coolest that you have all those beads or beads?
You have the better his beads.
I mean, you got to ask yourself.
I mean, you're like going there trying to pick up women.
I mean, how do you earn that?
I mean, those are brick and Walmart or Wal-Mart.
I do not know what you're trying to say.
I don't know.
I've always I've never been there.
I've never experienced it.
I just have heard my friends come back and they're like, oh, we saw this chick do this.
We saw this chick do that.
And it's kind of like, God, how vulgar.
You know, but that's the spirit of the whole thing.
It is the spirit.
And you're in the spirit and you're in the moment and you don't really care.
And it really doesn't mean anything.
It's just having fun in the moment.
Yeah, for sure.
Like peeing outside the car when you get out at specs.
It's just you're just in the moment.
See, see in the moment.
But that wasn't in the moment.
Have a fun.
That was a matter of necessity.
That was do I want to pee in Paul's car or do I want to pee on the floor outside?
You know what a lot of people would have done in that situation is as we're getting up to
leave, you're like, hey, guys, wait a second.
I'm going to go to the restroom.
Yes.
That's what I think a normal human would have done.
You on the other hand, walk 10 feet out into the parking lot and like, oh, shit, oh, shit,
what am I going to do now?
But it could be on this truck.
You know, it could be temperature, you know, if it's too cold outside or it's too hot outside,
you never know.
Probably in large prostate as well.
Yes, that's it.
It's been a long time since I had a conversation about a large prostate.
I get my prostate checked regularly.
But I do appreciate it.
Monthly from what I heard.
No, no, no.
Quarterly?
Wow.
No, it's not annually.
It was quarterly.
Wow.
See, Jackie, we start by asking you, so who do you, you know, what, what, what bottler,
how do they talk to you?
And now we're talking about peeing outside of races and getting beads.
Absolutely.
So, so you're into the bourbon community.
Do you know all the like the whiskey clubs and all of them?
Yeah, a lot of in fact, tomorrow at lunch, I'm going to with the locals to whiskey cake.
We go every two weeks and and enjoy each other company and talk.
How many people usually go out?
About 15, 15, 20.
The locals.
Is that a what is that?
That's a bourbon club.
That's literally their name.
Yeah.
Nice.
Yeah.
And we do pick picks.
So we do a lot of different community things.
And would they be interested for us showing up with a little mobile podcast program out
there?
You know, they probably would.
That would be kind of cool because we have a whole different setup where we can bring
for mobile.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speakers and everything.
So how many groups are you affiliated with?
Several.
So there's the locals.
There's someone say whiskey.
That's how I kind of got him invited into the whiskey community.
That's how I met Nelly.
We heard we've heard of that recently.
Someone say whiskey.
Yes.
That was.
Oh, yeah, I recall the Garrison Brothers.
James.
That's right.
James.
James threw that out.
Yeah.
And they're a national group.
They're they're large.
They're actually based out of Frisco.
They're kind of like you guys, you know, grassroots.
A couple of guys got together and, you know, they just want to talk about bourbon and and
it just grew from there and peeing in parking lots.
They don't really talk about peeing in parking lots.
Oh, they don't.
They don't talk about that.
Well, they're not real men.
Maybe maybe they just haven't around me.
Maybe I've just missed that conversation.
So there's DFW Whiskey Club.
They actually have a golf tournament going on this week in Irving.
It's a big fundraiser.
So that's super fun.
I'm actually pouring for Sixth Street on a Saturday.
Yeah.
So I don't want to interrupt your but let's make sure we at some point go back to Sixth
Street.
I want to hear more about that distillery.
But anyway, what other groups?
Which golf course is it?
It's you know, I don't know the name of it.
It's the city one.
It's what Irving Golf Club.
I don't know the name.
Is it?
Go on.
So DFW Whiskey Club, which is Saturday Trinity River Whiskey Club.
They're in Fort Worth.
Wow.
And yeah, they're just on the other side of the Trinity.
So you could be a member of all of these and not be from Fort Worth.
Correct.
Just be a lover of whiskey.
Just a lover.
It's really about bringing people together that want to make their own.
Are there like monthly dues, quarterly dues?
No, they're all free groups.
It's just all camaraderie.
It's community and camaraderie.
And I will tell you that I probably I don't know how many bottles I've received over the
years from people.
My favorite brand.
I'm going to give them a little shout out is Sagamore.
I'm a Sagamore rye girl.
We don't have any of those.
We need to get one.
Oh, I would have brought one for you.
Yeah, we have not.
Yeah, we don't have.
I'm not familiar with it.
I've never wanted to.
I just I think I have Sagamore Spirit Distillery.
Yes, Baltimore.
Yeah, that's good stuff.
Interesting.
How do you get hooked up with them?
They were just a just a fan fave.
Probably one of the first things I drank.
I really enjoyed it.
And then I every everything they have every finished product they have.
I love somebody locally introduced you to it and became your favorite.
And so interesting.
What's the cost point of Sagamore?
Because they have they've got it's just I see just rye.
That's all they have is rye.
It's rye.
I recognize the bottom.
That's why they call it Sagamore.
It's diamond shaped.
I recognize it.
Yeah.
My dog's name is Miss Sagamore.
Oh, yeah.
That big of a fan.
I was going to say.
I'm that big of a fan.
I call my dog.
I named my dog after.
I would agree.
Yeah.
Their price points probably thirty five to they're under a hundred.
You know, thirty five to eighty five, depending on what you're buying.
OK, that's standard.
Yeah.
So that's the price for what is considered a decent, you know, a decent bourbon, decent
whiskey.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, cool.
Sagamore rye.
You know, definitely need one.
I totally would have brought one if I'd known.
That's all right.
You know, we pride ourselves on on collecting them for, you know, because we want to know.
We really do.
I mean, that is the it's not the entire goal of the podcast.
The goal of the podcast is really just to share dudes like us moments that are real
because there are people out there that go through life and they experience stuff.
Yeah.
The bourbon is one thing.
I mean, we talk about how our taste has evolved from middle light to wheat, IPA to, you know,
barley wine to and then we're like, oh, we're getting fat now.
And now we're fat.
So now it's like, all right, well, we kind of dropped the beer and we started drinking
the bourbon and then we started doing the podcast and like, why don't we just talk about
it?
It's basically the dudes like us podcast evolves around just things that dudes like us do.
It could be do deaths.
It's just life.
Taking the kids to the school in the mornings, you know, talking about that, taking them
to college.
I know.
I think the biggest reason why we do it is like imagine somebody's having a really shitty
day, right?
And they're like, they just need to uncheck and they're feeling crappy about themselves.
I think they're a loser.
They listen to us and they realize there are three guys worse off than I am.
Bigger, bigger losers, right?
I don't know.
I've listened to your podcast and I said nothing is off the table.
Now we, I love that nothing is off the table and I, and I love a quick wit and humor.
Like you guys are so fast and quick.
It's oh, well we, maybe that's not good.
It's good.
Humor, humor, humor.
Speaking of fashion, quick wit.
Now, but we like it.
We come from, like Paul said, he mentioned he grew up abroad.
You know, I'm a military brat.
So I lived in a couple of places around the planet and, you know, Jeff, he's a homegrown
in Cincinnati.
I'm sorry.
Cincinnati, yes.
Cincinnati, Ohio.
Yeah.
I think I'm the only one, I don't want to say a normal childhood, but a one place childhood.
They were both military or not military, but.
Oil.
Oil, traveling, right?
So they grew up in many, many different places where I grew up in, right in Ohio.
Well, you were a juvenile detention system or prison system most of your life, right?
It was.
In a sewer dweller.
Yeah.
In Ohio.
You hung out under the manholes and.
I did.
I did climb into sewers.
You did.
That's the true statement.
You really did?
When I was small.
Yeah.
When I was probably 12, 13 years old, we had a, there was a creek in a bunch of woods behind
our house and the run rain off sewer was what created the creek, right?
So all the water would come down and we would climb up into the pipe and we probably went
300 feet underneath the ground until you're underneath the street and you could stand
up again and.
And throw a firecracker to cars.
No, that was too high.
It was probably 30 feet under the ground.
That's cool.
You know what's interesting?
That is crazy.
Because he's an army brat or a military brat and I'm a oil brat, we had different, different
childhoods and you, you had the classic American lit, you know, grow up on in a neighborhood
with the same friends from a very early age.
I envy that.
Me too.
I do.
And you had a, you know, a tight group of friends for a long, you still talk to.
I still talk to them.
As when you, since you were a little, a little kid.
Yep.
I just, I loved, I loved that.
I love that story about your childhood because it's like the typical American small, not
small town necessarily, but you know what I mean?
Right.
That's super cool.
The American way.
And what was, what was your upbringing Jackie?
I'm Canadian.
Yes.
He grew up in a small town too you said.
Walk us through what that means.
I mean, you were born in Canada.
I was born and raised in Canada, went to school in Canada.
My family are all still in Canada, except for my children.
Nice.
Yeah.
And what part of Canada?
Nova Scotia.
All right.
So the Maritimes and that, so that is far East, Northeast.
Yeah.
Northeast, North of Maine, not as far as you can go, but Northeast cold as cold is a lot.
Yeah.
Cold is a lot.
So is it farther East in Quebec?
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's, it's a, it's surrounded by water.
All right.
Small little province, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Cape Britain, Newfoundland.
It's probably Nova Scotia is in the North.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
I know where that's at.
And it's probably beautiful, but it's cold.
How many months out of the year?
Like, like uncomfortably cold.
Uncomfortably cold, probably seven months out of the year.
Yeah.
When I moved here, you know, I moved here for love.
You know, it's a long story.
But that year was so cold and we had so much snow.
It was nothing to not see a stop sign at the end of the road because the drifts were so
high.
I remember in one particular year, it was just my mom and I at home and we actually
brought snow in to the house so we could get out of the house.
Oh my God.
Cause they had nowhere else to go.
You had to bring it into the house to make a route, to make a path.
A scoop at a time.
A spoonful at a time.
Get it open, press my feet against the door and bring a little bit in, put it in the bathtub
and then bring more in so we could get out.
Wow.
Yeah.
I grew up in Cincinnati, nothing near that, but I have no desire to live in the snow.
It would almost seem advantageous to have a roof access.
Oh, that you could pop out the roof?
Yeah.
That's covered in snow as well.
Yeah, it is.
Feet of snow.
So you have to actually shovel your roof depending on where you live.
You have to shovel your roof.
See, that's where I would excel because I would just urinate on it.
Oh, perfect.
Don't eat yellow snow they say.
I just don't have to eat it.
I've noticed that people like, I know my boys have said, yeah, I want to go up and live
somewhere where there is snow and a winter.
And I'm like, no.
Until you have to shovel it.
That really is what it is.
So you either have to be wealthy to have the snow removed or you have to have the strength
to be able to move it yourself.
Also when you get older, that's what got my dad.
He was shoveling three feet of snow at the age of 80.
And he had a massive heart attack.
So that was what got him and he should have known better, but it was my dad.
But it's what you do.
It's what you have to do.
It's like a regular chore.
My parents.
It's like mowing the yard.
Yeah.
My parents don't know any different.
My dad is 82 years old.
My dad has a snow blower goes out and does the whole driveway and the sidewalks.
Yeah.
No, he had a shovel doing it.
So I told him, I was like, you're not doing that again.
He's like, no.
So we started looking at snow blowers, but he didn't get that point.
It was done.
Yeah.
It was what it was.
But he would hire someone to do it at that point.
Yeah.
No kidding.
Snow is good to visit and to have fun, but to live in it, I have no desire to do it.
I don't even have fun in it when I go home.
All I do is dread the layers.
Right.
Yeah.
I'm like a one garment kind of person.
Right.
So I don't want to put on pants and long underwear and socks and a coat and then snow pants.
And not be able to go anywhere for days.
And walk like a.
So Nova Scotia is, isn't that like a compilation of islands out there?
Well, yeah, it's not really a compilation.
I mean, there's more than one.
So Prince Edward Island, Cape Britain, is that what you're saying?
Like the lands are all little islands.
Mr. Pater's watch pull the map up of Nova Scotia.
Because I know that my family's from the northeast and I know they frequent.
They've got a timeshare.
They've got some property they own on an island that's south of Nova Scotia, maybe 50 miles,
maybe 80.
Sable Island, maybe?
Shabig Island.
Shabig?
Yeah, it's.
OK, so Nova Scotia is not an island.
It is attached to the mainland.
Yeah.
I completely misunderstood that.
I thought Nova Scotia was like a bunch of little islands, but that's not.
Yeah.
And as you as you come into the island, you can see.
So where it attaches, my parents live right on the border of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.
All right.
And Amherst.
Right there.
I see Amherst.
So it's just south of Prince Edward Sound.
Prince Edward Island.
OK, what's the what's the the body of water?
The body at the Cobbwood Bay.
Is it like the main body of water north of there is?
No north of all of Nova Scotia.
Yeah.
What's that Bay?
There's a big bay.
What's that?
Schenecto Bay?
What is it?
Oh, North North Northumberland Strait.
Oh, I guess I had no idea.
My dad's from a little further north.
My dad is from Newfoundland.
Wow.
Yeah.
I have a lot of family in Prince Edward Island.
Now, is it just covered in trees and beautiful, very scenic, gorgeous.
Is it pine trees mainly?
A lot of birch, pine birch.
So if you were to visit for a long weekend, when would you go and where would you go for
like one of us to take our wives?
You wouldn't go for a long weekend because it's like seven hours to get there.
So flying just that's the flying time.
So it's a whole day excursion.
So it's a week.
It's a week at least.
And you can take a ferry from Portland to Yarmouth.
So that's where see the Chabig Island right there.
That's where it's at.
So back out again and then head towards Nova Scotia.
Interesting.
That's pretty close.
You could go swim there.
Oh yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, I wouldn't, but you could.
Absolutely.
I come from a family of fishermen.
You know, my family.
Lobster man.
Yeah.
No kidding.
Lobster fisherman.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
And we didn't, we had fresh fish all the time.
We really didn't eat much other than fish.
So coming here and someone says, Oh, you want a piece of fish?
That's not real fish.
Yeah.
Like I've been there, done that.
That's not real fish.
Give me some beef.
So, but where would you go?
Like, what would you recommend as a week long, fantastic vacation?
You know, Nova Scotia.
Yeah.
I probably, you know, I would probably go.
So if you go up a little further north to Cape Breton, Cape Breton Island, it is, it's
scenic and so beautiful.
Just lush and green.
But you need to be there in June, July.
Yeah, probably.
I mean, that tourist season would be like sort of June, kind of July, definitely not
August.
Because it's cold.
Cold already in August.
It's cold.
So June is when to go?
Yeah.
June, July.
Okay.
Yeah.
When you say cold in August, what does that mean?
Chilly.
So, you know, you're talking about 50 degrees.
You know, the end of August, you might get down in the 50s in the evening.
No, that's not too bad.
Yeah.
Well, when you spend the whole year, 50, 40, 30, 20, negative.
Yeah.
You barely got warm.
And then here it is again.
Yeah.
Here it is again.
I wouldn't want to go back and live there.
I love my family and I would love to be close to them, especially as my parents are aging.
Yeah.
But they're really, you know, they're dug in.
Yeah.
That's a due debt moment.
I mean, these are, there are people just like you that have family just like this, that
they're confined to a lifestyle that they appreciate.
They love their, that's, this is what they're used to.
And you left for love at what age?
26.
And then you, that's it.
You never went back.
I never went back.
And you've been a Texas girl ever since.
A Texas girl ever since.
I even had like a Southern twang.
I actually have an alter ego.
Her name is Virginia Mae Davis.
Really?
I would tell your friends back at home, they make fun of you.
They do.
So when I go home, so, you know, for the first couple of days, I have like the little Texas
Southern twang.
I don't hear it myself when I'm talking.
If I, you know, over talk and I say something real Southern, that's, you know, I'm over
emphasizing it.
Of course.
But they'll say, Oh my gosh, where are you from?
That Southern, that Southern accent.
I'm Southern accent.
I'm from like right up the street.
Right.
So you're, you're absorbing Texas, Texas roots.
Yes.
And when I come home, I kind of adjust and then start talking like a Nova Scotian.
Some of the, some of the words.
And then when I come home, people are saying, what are you talking about?
Like a lot of words are different.
So when I first moved here, I moved to Arlington.
Okay.
And the lady was asking me like, what street do you live on?
I said, South Fielder.
And she said, South.
So Fielder.
I'm like, yeah.
So Fielder.
She said, could you spell that?
I'm like, S O U T H.
You mean South?
You stupid bitch.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Where the fuck you come from?
Nova Scotia?
What are you stupid?
And she said, honey, that South, you got to put a little nasal in it.
That's great.
So I've been saying South ever since.
And I think about it.
So another word that I say is I got to think about it.
Hold on a second.
Decal D E C A L.
You guys call it a decal, but I call it a decal and I can, I see one and I'm like, oh,
let's get that decal.
And my kids are like, say that in Nova Scotia, they call it a decal, a decal, but it's decal
here.
Canadian thing.
I can't say the word.
I actually have to, I know I can't say it.
So I have to stop for a minute and go like, oh, I recognize what that is.
Allow me to process that in my native language.
It's gotta be tough.
Oh, for sure.
I get with me, maybe Paul as well.
I mean, I, I have a tendency to, when I'm around different people, I'll absorb their
accent.
I'm kind of like camel toe Harris.
I will, I kind of read the crowd and all of a sudden I'm right in there.
I'm the same.
I don't know.
And it's because I lived on the East coast in the Northeast.
My family's from the Northeast.
And you know, and when I talk to some Spanish people, it's the same thing, you know?
So not to rationalize her, I actually, she's an idiot, but, oh boy, no, hold on.
You did rationalize her.
You identify with her.
I did from a, but look, she's not talking to them.
He's voting for her.
That's what I'm gathering.
My point, my point is, is that she's not actually talking to someone where they're, they're
going back and forth in the conversation where you're picking up.
She's pandering.
She's a dressing, addressing an audience.
It was kind of a joke when I said that, but I do get it.
I mean, I do.
Well, when I go visit, I kind of like for a week or two, I'll get a little Northeast
twang that'll hop on, you know, they'll attach to me and then I'll come back and my wife's
gonna like, shut the fuck up.
What are you talking like that?
Yeah.
And then I'm like, Oh, I make these course corrections.
Yeah.
And Jeff and I just call you gay and move on.
Yes.
As in happy as a new journey.
So definitely not happy.
The exact opposite of happy.
I, I, my job took me to the most beautiful place in the world.
Both beautiful.
New Jersey is known as the garden state.
Oh, it's not all Newark.
You said Newark is the best city I have ever been.
I think there's so many Irish bars.
I think there were a lot of Irish bars.
I think he called it God's country.
Yes.
I did have one.
The Irish bars were God's country.
And said, I really don't want to come home guys.
I don't want to come home.
I love it here.
You queer.
I think my job took me and I had to hit all these different spots and they took me across
New Jersey and it was absolutely stunning.
Cause it was the Octoberish Novemberish.
It is beautiful up there.
It's absolutely beautiful.
You see all the pumpkin patches out there and I walked in this one place and I was like
doing my job and they were like, Hey, you know, Madonna lives up the street.
And I was like, Oh, well that's great.
I don't care.
But it was like Madonna, Madonna, Madonna, Madonna, Madonna, the pig, Marano means pig.
Marana means a female pig, I think.
Okay.
So Madonna, Marana.
That's it.
It was just something I used to say.
Am I, am I missing something here?
So who lives up the street?
Madonna.
Like actual up the street.
So actual Madonna.
Like, like, like she lives over in Europe.
Like a bird.
I was just going to sing that, but maybe we should sing it together.
All right.
Continue.
So New Jersey, Madonna lived there.
My whole point is that I get it.
You know, it's like you move, your, your dialect changes and it morphs and you don't have any
control over it.
You know, it's like, you hear me on the podcast sometimes.
Yes.
You sound like a retard.
Bill Cosby, typically.
One of the people.
That's what I say.
When I go and I pick up the dialect, I'm one of the people.
Ah, yeah.
You relate to everyone.
Here he's right.
You're part of the village people now.
Uh, oh.
Like here at the podcast.
So I have a question for you.
We, you know, we, when we talk about politics and we hear stories coming out of Canada,
it's kind of shocking.
The stuff we hear coming from Canada.
We gotta touch more on this.
So you've lived in Canada for, for 26 years and you've lived here for 20 something years,
30 30 ish.
All right.
So you've gotten a flavor.
I didn't say it.
You've gotten a flavor of both countries.
What would you like when you hear the craziness of some of the stories coming out of Canada?
Do you have dual citizenship?
I do not have dual citizenship.
I'm a Canadian citizen.
I cannot have dual.
I have to decide.
Are you allowed to vote?
I'm not allowed to vote.
You can if you go to California.
Apparently that's true.
You don't have to show an ID.
Sure.
You know, my youngest daughter just moved to Los Angeles while Glendale.
So maybe I need to go show up in California and just vote.
Yeah.
Just California.
So you have a green card.
I do.
Nice.
Yeah.
And you've had a green card for like pretty much the whole time you've been here.
Oh no, it takes a while to get it.
It didn't.
It wasn't really a tough process.
So, you know, that Canadian border, Canada to the United States, not a big deal.
We're like, you know, more like a formality.
We're brothers.
We're sisters.
Yeah.
We're already one.
Yeah, we're cousins.
We're kissing cousins.
I mean, it's right there.
I mean, right there.
So is Mexico.
Now that's not there.
But there's a cultural.
It's even closer.
It's a cultural difference, though.
I mean.
And the majority of Canadians speak English.
Yeah, they got the French section there.
Nobody else likes them.
Oh, did I say?
Yeah.
Fuck.
But they say the company I used to work for had a lot of had some customers there and
they were quite challenging.
Yeah.
The French people, the French people, they demand title.
Everything in French.
You told me the French Canadians.
Oh, yeah.
So the Quebec area, I guess.
And they demanded we hire people that knew how to speak French.
Oh, wow.
So we had to hire a bunch of folks who spoke French.
We had to do some special things to get French keyboards for their computers and all that
stuff.
And they they're very demanding.
So I mean, do you do are there Canadians that feel like they are challenging?
Oh, very, very challenging.
Really?
All right.
So there's like friction between Canadians.
Always has been.
They're just not very warm and accepting of our you know, you heard years ago that they
they wanted to separate themselves from Canada.
Well, they can.
They could fucking go back to France.
Oh, I'm not a fan.
I'm not a fan.
I'm Canadian.
I'm not a fan.
Look, seriously, easy now.
I'm bitter.
I'm bitter about what's going on in Canada.
I'm telling you, I don't like how I don't like Justin Trudeau.
I don't like I mean, there's Canadian citizens are up in arms.
They're not happy with it either.
They're not up in arms.
So Canadian citizens are not up in arms.
So very different than American citizens.
Like we get mad here.
We get angry.
We're very vocal and Canadians are just like, oh, man, I don't like that.
Yeah.
It sucks.
But we will do nothing about it.
Is that what you're saying?
That's what they don't vocalize it.
But when they vote people out, they vote.
Yeah, they don't really.
I don't know.
I mean, it's been a long time since you've been there to experience it.
It is.
It's just not a political country.
I can tell you.
So I personally, I it's not that I don't have an opinion.
It's just that I don't I'm not I can't vote because I'm not a citizen.
Of course.
However, I do have an opinion and I try to keep my opinion to myself sometimes just because,
you know, politics, people get really, you know, like around the law here.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, you won't fog me because we kind of agree.
So you know, but I do lament that there are people that will refuse to listen to our podcast
because we're so staunchly conservative Republican Trump supporters.
And they would immediately be like, no, forget it.
Yeah, but I hate that.
But anyway, go ahead.
It's too bad.
Yeah.
Because I think all they see is what the media presents to them.
Oh, yes.
So back during the last election, I I had some pictures on social media.
I have I had a ball cap on that had Trump train on it.
And I have another visor that had Trump 2020.
And every time I took a selfie somewhere, I was always wearing something.
I had a Trump flag in my backyard.
Now you've done Canadian flag, American flag, Trump flag.
And it wasn't very well received by by several of my friends.
People actually reached out to me and they said, do you know what you're do you know
what you're representing here?
And I said, listen, I'm a single mom.
And I put my youngest daughter through college by myself, pay cash for her education for
you.
And the only reason I was able to do that was because of the administration.
I was in the best financial position that I have ever been in.
Absolutely.
And that is not the case today.
Right.
And I'm just going to let it be, you know, the facts prove themselves.
Yes.
Everything is hard.
Just fall where they may.
They do.
You know, I'm scared to death.
I'm not scared to death.
I'll be extremely disappointed if things if camel gets pretty hard.
I know.
How did your how did your family respond?
I was curious.
They were not happy with me.
Are you kidding me?
You know what?
There's a lot of northeasterns like Shebaig Island.
It's I don't know if there are a bunch of lesbians out there or they're definitely all
Democrats.
But, you know, I'm just saying on the island, there's like they're like they all have short
hair and maybe they just don't want to manage it.
I'm just saying they have like a different lifestyle.
And look, I don't care either way.
I don't care.
I really don't.
But it's just like they're all staunchly Democrat over there.
And it's just like I really wanted to bring a Trump flag and put it in my my my suitcase.
Next time you go, take one.
Yeah, I might.
I might go rent a golf cart and I'm going to staple that fucker on the back of the golf
cart and go around that three mile island just nonstop.
Battery fucking runs.
Texas man is found dead on an island.
Blah, blah, blah.
With his Garrett Carrot.
He had been bludgeoned to death by the the village, the island natives.
My Garrett Carrot.
That's funny.
Do you know what that is?
The Garrett Carrot.
It's a metal detector.
It's a metal detector little thing.
So you have the big metal detector, you know, you swipe it on a pole.
The Garrett is a smaller one.
The Garrett.
Yeah, but Garrett Carrot.
I've never heard of that.
Sounds like someone doesn't pay attention.
I don't remember you ever using that term.
He's the one who brought it up.
Is that is that a brand name?
It's called the Garrett, but the nickname, but the Garrett Carrot, because it's the shape
of a carrot and it's orange.
Where did it come from?
It comes from probably China.
No, no, no.
I mean, and why are they using it?
Why can't they use the wand?
But it's Garrett.
It is a wand.
So pull up Garrett Carrot.
So basically, when you have the regular metal detector and you go over the ground and you
find a prospect and then you punch a shovel down there, you pull it up and you take a
Garrett Carrot.
OK, that is the brand name.
It's Garrett.
I asked what I was asking.
OK, sorry.
That's waterproof.
And, you know, so when you when you when you stick your shovel in the sand and you pull
it out, you don't want to take your your metal detector over that.
You take the Garrett Carrot, poke it in the sand and see where it's at specifically because
it's more localized.
It goes kind of right to it.
It doesn't go down very far.
That makes sense.
So how did you get to the Garrett Carrot?
Because I'm I'm trying to think of all that.
Yeah.
What the hell did you say that for?
Oh, because.
Oh, so I went out last time I went to the Shabig Island.
I actually looked for Excalibur.
I brought I brought a whole fucking system.
I bought my metal detector.
I'm going to go find some treasure.
Some people's jewelry.
I am going to go look for some booty.
It was his last ditch effort for like riches.
He's watched all the Oak Islands.
Yeah, I was I was mesmerized.
I was like, I'm going to find a ancient sword.
You didn't, though.
I did not.
You did find a tin rusty can.
I found all kinds of things.
So I learned that the island, Shabig Island, what used to in World War Two used to have
a manufacturing facility there that made watches of all things, you know, and you would find
all kinds of like boat things like it over this.
There was like a little gas caliper.
You know, it's all you find it super small and it was it was cool.
I still found some cool shit, but it was a word thing.
And I found a lot of melted metal.
That was weird.
Yeah, probably from the the meltdown.
I don't know.
But before we before we run out on this, I want to check you was kind of talk about to
bring a nice bourbon or I don't know, it's a bourbon or a whiskey.
It's bourbon.
Bourbon.
Let's talk about this is what you to kind of explain where you got it from in the process
and everything.
And then we can talk around.
What is it called?
It's called the Whiskey Blenderie.
Where's the bottle that is often in?
Yes.
Where are you bringing it up so you can see it?
It's beautiful.
It's a beautiful spot.
I'll show you in here in a second when you pull up.
Oh, they don't have anything.
You sir.
Oh, yeah, you can find it.
The Whiskey Blenderie.
Oh, there it is.
Oh, he's talking about the particular bottle.
Well, each one.
Right.
Yeah.
Each one's different.
OK, so so all of these other one, the Oaken Hammer, what is the Oaken Eden?
Oh, can you do is a similar?
I would not say so.
Oaken Eden, you're you're putting staves in your product to to flavor the product and
they're truly blending from what they have.
They're blending from the barrel.
OK.
Yeah.
So what exactly they blending there?
It's M.G.P. OK.
So and they it's kind of it's a really cool place and it's a really cool process.
So they're sourcing M.G.P. bringing it here.
They have a Rick house that's in Wills Point.
And you can go out and have a blending experience.
So it's membership based.
So but you can still go out as a as a daily event, as a nonmember to be able to to to
be able to blend.
So the one that I brought tonight was Sonoma Sunset.
That was one of my favorites.
I have several bottles from it.
So light and elegant.
It will tell you that it's it's got the perfect amount of spice.
It does have legs.
I mean, it is thick.
It's viscosity.
It's light and delicate with spice.
It's like a it's like a ride light.
It's what I could probably.
Yeah.
And it doesn't drink the proof.
No, it's 115, 116.
It does not.
You can't taste it.
So I always enjoy I always enjoy a whiskey or bourbon that that's that's higher proof
that you can't taste it always reflects that it was well made.
Now, you said this is Sonoma Sunset.
Was this already blended for you?
Yes.
So can you say or can you go and say I'm going to I'm going to make this Sonoma Sunset today?
They say, OK, you know, she walks in.
She's like, she's like, no.
But do you have the opportunity to go in there and say, I want to do my own.
You do.
From your stuff.
Yeah, you can do your own from their stuff.
You can have a blending experience and make your own.
Where are these guys at?
Will's point.
It's in between Little Elm and Aubrey.
Oh, shit.
It's right here.
Right here.
Just a great experience.
Tim Hules is the owner of of the whiskey blend.
Do you know these folks?
Great guy.
Yeah.
So there's a little it says about a summer in here.
There's a picture of a man and a woman.
So they're at the at the at the place.
They have what they have.
He's got a couple of hundred bottles of barrels of everybody.
These blend.
So yeah, when they when they make a blend, whatever the yield is in the barrel, you know,
so depending on what the angels take, right, then you have whatever is left over.
Frisky whores.
They do.
Now, will's will's point is on its way up to Terrell.
So the whiskey blend is a craft distillery, a locally owned and operated by our family
in Oak Point, Texas.
I said Will's point.
We believe in quality, community and freedom to create something truly unique with our
members.
We are devoted to the experimentation and patience required to craft world class spirits
while helping to I almost said erect, but create lasting memories among family and friends.
So Oak Point.
Oak Point is actually a pretty cool little nugget of a place.
It's tiny, tiny little nugget right in the middle of the lake area right there.
It's like lake people out there.
Oak Point.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I had a job out there once and it was kind of cool because they got these super large
houses and you're like, what the hell?
It's not cool now.
There's so many people.
There's so much traffic out there.
I mean, the whiskey blender is super cool, but it's so just congested.
So I want to go to this joint.
Yes.
Yeah, that'd be cool.
Check it out.
When you said Will's point, like, well, that's about an hour and a half away from us.
Oak Point.
Oak Point is 30 minutes, 25 minutes.
That's much more doable with it.
Right over the bridge, I think.
Yeah.
And you know, I told you I'm a connector, right?
So I know people.
You're going to make it happen?
I can make it happen.
You want to meet us out there?
I could.
Yes.
I would love that.
Let's make it a date.
You want to bring out some, bring out some of your bourbon friends and just make it an
entourage.
You want to bring some sandwiches?
Yeah.
Like a hoagie?
A hoagie.
Interesting.
Are we making baloney sandwiches?
What are we doing here?
And maybe some Cheetos?
You said hoagies.
What the hell?
Interesting.
Okay.
Yeah, baloney sandwiches go perfect with whiskey.
Of course.
That's my favorite.
So how many different blends does he have bottled and available when you go there?
Like is-
You know, I don't know from time to time.
Several.
So probably on average, you know, eight different blends that he has available.
But in popularity, they were small and just, you know, independently owned and they've
really grown over the last couple of years.
They have a bigger social media presence.
That's why I said when you brought this up, they have all kinds of podcasts.
They've hired some folks to come in and do some-
Smart.
Well, obviously they need to bring in the right type of podcast.
It's going to really-
Oh, is that what it is?
Oh, yes.
I mean, look, I mean, we're a different breed.
I mean, because we're not family friendly.
Period.
I mean, we talk about some things.
You're not going to be able to unleash us in front of a bunch of kids because next thing
you know-
Well, there's not very many kids that are at the Whiskey Boundary.
We sample a bunch of things.
Next thing you know, Paul and Jeff are running around naked.
Oh, really?
No.
Really.
So the bottles are waxed.
So when you blend your own, do you dip your bottle?
Yeah.
Interesting.
That's kind of cool.
I love the glassware.
The product's always good.
I have several bottles that are absolutely delicious.
What's the sticker price on that?
About 100 bucks.
Do they have the age statements on any of their barrels so you know how old this stuff
is?
They do.
Absolutely.
What's their oldest stuff for these?
They just bottled, golly, I can't remember the name of it.
It's a Wild Turkey Fowl something.
Anyway, I think it's 20 year.
Really?
Yeah.
So it's like a bake sale opening season.
I'm sorry.
I thought I was looking at it.
There's a Rye's and a Rye.
So how many different selections do they have to put in there?
They have a lot of selections and each bottle, each one that they come up with are different
blends.
Right.
And it's different people creating different blends.
A lot of the clubs now are really getting engaged and doing some of their picks.
All the clubs that I'm involved in do their own club picks.
So depending on the distillery, they'll go to the distillery, they'll try different
products and then they choose a barrel and then they work with the distributor, a liquor
store and then we have a drop where you go and wait in line like a crazy person for several
hours.
It's about the community.
Right.
And so you have a lot of clubs are going out there these days and doing picks with them.
So he's going out and picking single barrels like the main distillery or the main blender.
Yes.
He's going out and picking single barrels of this, of that, of two or three maybe.
I don't know.
We don't know how many.
Whatever he can get.
Right.
And then he's bringing that back and he's doing his own blend.
Doing his own thing.
Nice.
Yeah.
Okay.
Great guy.
Great blender.
Like everything that they blend is fantastic.
His team is growing as well.
So he's brought people in from he has a young guy from Kentucky that is an incredible blender
as well.
Okay.
Yeah.
So that's what rare character does.
Right.
Rare character.
They do a lot of single barrels.
Yeah.
But they're blenders.
They go around and pick single barrels and they blend and they this and they that.
I don't think they blend though.
I don't think they blend it.
I think what they do is they procure these barrels and they're just.
They bottle them.
Yeah.
They're winners.
They pick a perfect single barrel.
Yeah.
They go through a bunch and I'm telling you what, that's the hump.
Let you know.
And your bourbon friends, we love rare character.
So we really enjoy it.
So rare character, where are they?
Where are they from?
So they're not based out of really anywhere.
Mr. Producer made me pull that rare character.
We know that Jeff went out to Nevada.
He grabbed one.
He was like, what is this?
And I knew what it was.
Yeah.
Well, cause I saw it was a wall with the top.
There's a little liquor store out there where my dad was and just some guy owned it.
And I'd go in every time I'd visit my dad and I'd get one of his picks or something
like that.
And I walked in and I saw it at the top and I'd never seen it out in the wild.
And he was like, is that a rare character up there?
And he's like, he's going to take it back.
Yeah.
Oh really?
You know what?
He's like, I love you.
It's a rare character.
The exceptional series.
So these guys, they go out and they're single bolts.
Yeah.
They, they pick all kinds of crazy stuff and they're, they're super rich.
They got so much flavor.
And look, I, I encourage you to, to, to take some, you know, you know, just pour yourself
a little bit and sample it.
We've got a fray, a weeded fray that also found in Nevada.
You know, those guys are fantastic.
You know, not half the people have liked it.
Half the people don't like it.
You know, I love it.
It's, it's very unique.
It's very unique.
It tastes like butter cream.
It's insane.
Butter popcorn.
Yeah.
Like a lot.
If you like weeded whiskies, you will really like it.
It's a hundred percent wheat, right?
Yeah.
It's bizarre.
It is good.
It's good though.
And look, all right, let's go back to the blendery.
I want to rate these whiskies.
This is the Sonoma sunset, the blendery.
It's a 116.4 proof.
It's procured or made the distilleries right there at Oak point, Texas.
And I'm going to give this a seven four for what it is.
Okay.
What about you?
I'm going to give it an eight.
Look, nothing is typically over an eight or nine.
Yeah.
Interesting.
We, we don't.
I mean, we, we actually, we have like one or two characters or rare characters are, but
that's no, that's, it's the perfect for what it is.
It's perfect.
I'll say seven four.
I feel comfortable with that.
What about you, Jeff?
I'm a little bit higher than that.
I'm going to give it an eight.
I like the, uh, the smoothness of it.
There's a sweetness on there that I like.
Um, and it finishes really well.
I think I picked up lots of teas or tobacco or whatever you want to call it.
Um, so I'm a little bit higher.
I like this.
I can enjoy this very easy to drink.
It's like, it's almost like a dessert.
Yeah.
That's exactly what they're calling a sunset.
Very easy to sit out there and I could pound this.
Absolutely.
And just remember like that bottle's no longer available.
Right.
Yeah.
It's a blend.
And we drank it.
I'm so happy that you drank it.
She's like, I'm so fucking happy.
You know?
That honestly, that's the whole part.
That's the whole part of the community that I love.
Right.
You, uh, you crack open a bottle and you share it with people and you talk shit about stuff.
Yeah.
You know, that is, I mean, there's a, what's that you Paul?
So I, I, like you said, it's, it's a light.
It's a light.
I prefer probably richer little, little more kind of, um, um, to it.
Um, but I still would give it a seven two and anything over a seven is, is good.
Is good in your book.
Yeah, it is actually no, no, for all of us, anything over a seven is, is quality.
Yeah.
Don't, don't think that is a bad thing.
No.
And one thing, one thing is we've been doing this for a few years is all of our palates
were pretty much the same when we started and we're starting to deviate more and more
as we do this.
Like Sean likes everything.
It doesn't matter.
Um, when I say that it's the different things, right?
Like, like I cannot stand the really smoky, uh, like the balcony is brimstone or the campfire
from high West or anything.
I'm not doing campfire.
I can't do that.
That stuff burnt tires and yeah, I can't, I can handle that.
Yeah.
I like it.
I can, I mean, within moderation, you know, I can't drink that.
It almost makes me gag.
Um, where Paul, when we had the fray, uh, wheat, he's like, he couldn't even drink it.
I couldn't.
He drank it though.
Yeah, he did.
He had water to it.
Did I add water to you?
You had water and you said that helped immensely.
Uh, so, so the longer we do this, our palette is, is changing and growing.
I think I'm the same way.
Like my, I've been probably five years engaged in the community and my palette was, I was
excited to find a Buffalo trace.
Right.
Yeah.
They didn't score very high for me.
You know, well, I mean, look, it's, it's, it's solid, but it's.
It's just Buffalo trace and there's some people out there, but like, you're an asshole.
Well, I am.
We're the same way with bland.
It was a standard blind.
It's like, yeah, come on, man.
I mean, what was your take on, on Buffalo trace?
You're saying it just kind of, well, when I began drinking, uh, I mean, I, I've always
drank whiskey and I thought I drank whiskey, you know, so, um, very, very different when
you actually drink whiskey, Canadian whiskey, Canadian whiskey, you know, people tell me
all the time, like I drink CC, Canadian club club, Canadian mist.
I used to have a bartender a long time ago.
They were like, Hey, I'll have a CC and soda.
All right, there you go.
There's your CC and soda.
Really?
There's nothing wrong with that.
Yeah.
So I started off, you know, just very excited to have Buffalo trace.
I like Knob Creek.
Oh yeah.
So that's kind of where I kind of cut my teeth.
The nine years really good.
I, that's where I cut my teeth.
I was excited to find the Buffalo trace and then I got really engaged in the community
and it just went, you know, off the rails.
It goes crazy.
It goes, it goes crazy.
Just the FOMO and the, the chasing and the waiting in line and being up all night.
And I waited in the specs line.
Yeah.
I waited in specs.
Um, I've got a handful of fuck that specs dropped last year for two days.
Did you get anything good?
I did.
I got lots of great stuff.
It'll limit you to like one from this table to that table.
Yeah.
Like overnight?
I did.
Yeah.
For two days.
Are you shitting me?
How many bottles did you get?
Uh, I think I got 15.
I got one of everything that was accessible to me.
That is fantastic.
I mean, it crazy.
Actually, how far back in the line were you though?
I was 110.
110.
How many were behind you?
Uh, 600.
Jeez Louise.
And so, and so hold on.
So this was a special drop.
It had to be.
Every year.
Every December, right?
Every year.
Okay.
I didn't know about this.
I know that we're wrapping up here, but I'd be curious to hear more about this.
So this is, this is a one year.
Once a year thing.
Once a year.
It's all the allocated products that specs brings in.
They kind of hoard them and hang onto them and then they do this big drop.
I'll tell you what, let's, let's set up a camper.
We'll do a pod, a podcast out there.
Absolutely.
I say the camper.
The problem is we would be so shit faced.
We would sleep in the next morning and we would miss.
No, no, they're knocking on your door.
Yeah.
They're coming to get you.
No one's going to let you sleep in.
Are you leaving?
It's sleeping in tents?
Tents, um, camp chairs.
Uh, I stayed in an RV last year.
We had a big bonfire outside.
It actually sounds pretty cool.
Nobody bothers you.
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It is the first half of the dudes like podcast.
It is October 22nd.
Thank you, mr.
Producer for staying charged here.
Uh, thank you, Jackie.
Are you sticking around for the second half?
Absolutely.
Oh good.
Paul's birthday.
Paul birthday.
You must, you must stay for the second half of my birthday.
Are we having cake?
I don't think so.
No, I did not make a cake.
Oh, well you can have some buttery.
You can have some of that fray.
It tastes like cake.
I'm totally doing it.
Dudes like us.
I'm Sean.
I'm Paul.
I am Jeff.
And Jackie Mac.
There you go.
All right.
Thanks for watching.
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