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We are back I tell you what this I'm super excited about tonight me too
Today is it's October 12 October 10th 10th day into October 10th. Oh my god
We're about we're in coaching Halloween super excited, which is coming out of
Cotels right before November
Thanksgiving and then Christmas and New Year's I mean that this whole season just yeah you get excited about
What but at hand we have a very special game we do we were we went bar hopping we found this guy
It's like chill out there Chico no, I'll we'll talk about that just one second mr. Producer
Thank you for coming out on our podcast for dudes like us. I'm Sean. I'm Paul and I am Jeff. I'm James
All right, so James welcome to our podcast. I'll let you first of all
We are super excited about you being here. Yeah super excited beer
Yeah, we've been waiting a while and actually we haven't you know, I gotta be honest
I was not a huge fan of garrison brothers and it's not on the true merit of what
Garrison brothers has achieved it's just because I'm like you guys are you guys are a good birdman. They're solid
However, I'm like, I don't want to freaking pay that
You had a shoot your mind. I was like, come on. No, I'm just not doing it and I just like I'm done
I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. And then Jeff insisted you're being dick
That was really good and I was
We had also been to the garrison brothers still really we've been like you've been down there
Sean has not I don't think I haven't I didn't get an invite but we went separately
Yeah, just been separate. I've been I've been separate. Yes, and and yeah, I mean it's it was impressive
No, I don't think you had the you had the garrison brother experience when you were
Having your moment but but yeah, but I did I I'd manage
so for those dudes like us listeners out there in case you don't know we are
Three weird guys growing up all over the planet and different things
We met each other and we started a podcast called dudes like us long way long story short
One of the things that we we appreciate is is is whiskies and bourbons and we didn't realize this and we started buying some
some low-end stuff and then we were traveling to as our attention became more to the details of what it is and we started off with
We and we kind of that was our thing because we're kind of like right. Ooh, it's freaking pungent
I'm not drinking that crap, you know
And it was like and we're just kind of like dismissing all these fantastic whiskies and bourbons and didn't realize it
Well and and like you said the price point at first. Yeah, we were like doing the 40 and the 50
I mean, no, it started even cheaper. Oh even cheaper than that. Yeah, we didn't know we were doing you know, this ain't you age
We're dipping the toe in the water, right?
Kentucky deluxe and anything and we still have some out there. We have taste after we have we have shelves of forty dollar bourbons, right?
Oh and then and then when we started getting into the 60 and then 70 plus and then we saw garrison brothers
So that that was just it
That's that's just the point is that we got to the point where we were because we were doing the podcast on a regular basis
We're just kind of shoot from the hip. We never we don't know how this thing's gonna go
But we want to still collect it. We want to sample we want to talk about it be consistent
so we started hitting these other places specs total wine and
Liquor King and we have a routine every Friday and we we have a like a couple samples. It doesn't matter
We're all lightweight. So by the time we hit like total wine, which is usually one of our last stops
We get a little silly and that's where we met. Mr
Mr. James here from garrison brothers and as cocky as we were and as seasoned as we were we kind of explained to who we were
And it's been a long time coming for you to get on here and we're happy
So walk us through your intro into garrisons. How long you been there going on a little over a year
I was in the service industry for 13 years and restaurants managing all over
DFW for a very long time and wanted to transition to this side of the industry
I had a lot of friends do it
And got a lot of sound advice from all of them on how to go about it
And everybody that I talked to said to go to a supplier versus going straight to distributor
Which is the usual stepping stone to be able to get into this side and I was able to skip that stone that stepping stone
Fortunately, so about a year and a half ago saw a listing for this position called bourbon evangelist
So that's kind of what I do. I preached the good word of the bourbon and sell it
And handle all DFW all over the place both on and off-premise of old some retail stores
Restaurants and all the all the liking but I've been a fan of garrison brothers for a very long time
Yeah, I want to say the first time I tried our regular bourbon
It's probably 2015 2016 and I was like, oh, it's okay. You know, it's expense. I had the same, you know reaction y'all had
And then in 2018 when they first released Balmurray
I tried that I was like, holy shit. This is
You know, I've got a question about that is this the right time to ask it
What's that about that Balmurray?
From from the story that I recall it was basically four brothers or four friends that got together
How it's how the name was?
It's it was for proceeds to help protect the Balmurray State Park
But how they how were the name Balmurray came from? Oh, yeah. Yeah
Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna drink that in the second half. Do you want to talk about specifically what we're talking about?
I want to talk the story in the second half and we're drinking. Okay, but I think it's a good one
Yeah, which one the Balmurray?
Okay, well, yeah, that's kind of what I was getting into but I guess we can but regard to the water
There's a natural spring which really because when we went to your your garrison brothers class at Total Wine in Plano, Texas
You were talking about that spring that they get all their natural cold water
from and is that what gives or you believe that that gives what the flavors are into going into the
Are you saying are you thinking of Balmurray spring?
Or there's one of them where they they said that they had rehab some sort of natural spring up there
So they could harvest some of that water. So all of our water is from the distillery
So we have a natural well that's heavily mineralized water and we use that why it's limestone water
So we use that water to cook the mash because it helps break down during the cooking process
But then for proofing the bourbon down, it's all rainwater collected off the roofs of the distillery
Okay, so those are the two now. I think what you're thinking of is the Balmurray
Has the largest naturally spring-fed maybe that's what it was and that was part of going into Balmurray
Donate guy with the beard with the orange hair white hair yellow hair, whatever
He was he was going into it. That was like that. I thought that's the one that you had
Although you went to garrison brothers
Twice right? Yeah. Yeah, and what you had to leave because of an emergency
Yeah, okay. I forgot you one another time because I was like, yeah, he knows others
But I think you were there. Were you there the time you left? Yeah
Yeah, you came in and you just shot all four of them and walked out. I imagine guys
We're going to these these garrison brother events and we you know, we show up and we're like
And we you know, we show up and uh, you know, one of these want to be waiting for a long time
Well, I get a phone call like right when we're walking in and I gotta go it's an emergency
I mean it wasn't a five alarm fire. It was like a two alarm fire. I had to get turned into a two alarm fire
Yeah, the number two
right, but uh
The thing is is that you know, I we show up to the class and it's all laid out. It's elegant
They got all the garrison brothers stuff out and it just like and I walk in I'm like this sucks
I gotta go so they thankfully they have all the samples on all the tables set up in advance
So I'll walk right over to the sample. We don't do that anymore because of you
When I do four or five I was like I gotta go or yeah, I watched you do it too
And then you walked out I was like, okay
Then he went to the hospital
Yeah, well then there I was for like four hours. So I'm glad I by the time I got there. I was perfect
It's like I'm ready to handle this. Yes, and in retrospect you're never able to handle that kind of stuff
No, not when the parent goes in the hospital. You never know what's going on. So uh,
So you you've been with them for over a year and what is your your particular role there?
Essentially sales. My title is bourbon evangelist like I was saying
Um, so essentially preaching the word and selling it, you know going in so is that bourbon evangelist like a title of something?
Like a on your website, that's what garrison brothers probably that's what's on my card
Yeah, okay. So is that the name of garrison brothers kind of a sub name is uh,
That's my title and we have a few other people with that title in other locations. I'm the one here in dfw
But we have kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah, how often do you make it down to garrison brothers itself this year? I've been
Twice this year and then I went twice last year. Gotcha. Yeah
Well good and I and I want to get into the history of garrison because when we did the
The event there at total wine
Uh, the master distiller was there and I can't remember his name donna's top. Yeah donnas
And he was going into a lot of the history how they got started and stuff like that
I think it's fascinating
Uh, if you kind of want to get into that and how garrison brothers
uh
Started and got to where they are. Yeah, I think that's a fascinating story
Absolutely, and i'm going to preface this by saying there is a documentary on amazon prime and on youtube
That dan and nancy tell this story a lot better than I will tell it, but I can tell it to an extent
Um, so essentially uh back in the day, uh, dan garrison was a tech guy
So he worked, uh based out of austin and uh had uh a lot of experience in tech
Uh got shares as part of his uh pension plan from my understanding
Um, and it turned out that those shares were in a little business named enron. Whoa and
And uh, everything one day just went to shit and he lost it all and he's sitting in bed one night next to nancy garrison
Uh reading a paper reading the newspaper and see something about somebody opening a vodka distillery in austin
And he turns to her and he's like who the hell would want to open a vodka distillery?
It's tasteless like who why would anybody want to do that when you can do bourbon?
And she looks at him and says shit. You should open a bourbon distillery
We'd probably save money with how much bourbon you drink
and
Uh to him that was his past to go out to kentucky and follow around, you know, some of the best. Thank you, ma'am
Start i'll be on my way
Exactly, and i'll be right back booked his flight out there. Uh three months
right
Worked with some of the greatest uh out in kentucky and learned as much as he could
Uh came back, uh worked a lot with elmer t lee, you know master distiller buffalo trace for 60 plus years
Um came back, uh had a mash bill that we got to working on and open up a distillery now
Now the mash bill again, I don't know
How do you when you first started out?
We've talked to some other uh distillers
How do you know it's right that you're like this is going to be a home run or do you really not know this?
You don't know and the thing is is with bourbon you have to age it before you know
It's going to be right or not, right?
You know minimum two years ours is roughly four years on average of all of our our standard
Excuse me all of our standard expressions four years minimum. So, you know, it's just a waiting process and I think they've tweaked it
Over the years and made it better and better and I think it's the best that it's ever been right now
I mean the the first one we did was called young gun and
When you tasted young bourbon as y'all i'm sure have tasted you know, you can tell when a bourbon is too young
Uh, especially in in texas. So so uh, where do you procure your your corn?
but there's uh, and I bring this up because I would have never asked that question had I not gone to iron root and I learned
They they had a pretty good course and they kind of broke into different different things of corn and and now i'm like
Well, where do you guys get yours?
Mainly the panhandle panhandle in south texas, but it is mostly the panhandle. It is american food grade number one white corn
specifically white corn
Because of the sweetness, right? So our mash bill 74% that white corn 15 soft bread winter wheat and 11% multi-barley
Have you you just have one mash bill then correct?
Yep for all eight expressions that we do currently and they're just aged differently
The same percentage is that the same percentage same exact mash bill to the percent and everything. Yep. Yep. Same juice
Is the same as what we're drinking here
starts the same that's what I mean starts. Yep. That's the same mash bill, right? Yep
Because I think we've talked about that where it's fascinating. I think paul says he went to
Uh, I don't know if it's heaven's hill where it's the same mash bill for all of their
Uh urbans. Yeah, it's just a matter of
Where you age it within the rick houses and so long that's an extent of it
Uh, our expressions I feel like are a little deeper than that because we have different finishes
So, you know, we have a wet cognac xo barrel finish a portuguese port wine finish. You know, that stuff's fun
Yeah, and that that's really where you make the difference granted every barrel is going to be different
Honestly, regardless of where it is in the rick house, they could be side by side and they're going to be totally different
Right, you know, so that definitely does play a part especially when you're talking about those wood and exactly time of the year
That that particular tree was cut down. Yeah, how long had it been dead or was it dying?
I mean, there's a there's so many variables one especially when you're talking about those distilleries heaven hill and you know, buffalo trace that have these
Warehouse these still houses or i'm sorry rick houses that are multi floors
And ginormous where ours is not ours is one big ass barn granted, you know
It stacks with 10 barrels tall, but it's one building. It's not multiple floors where you have to have a
You see you guys expanding we are yeah
We just uh, we just built a second rick house back in the back. That's the square footage of of uh,
One of your rick houses. I wish I could tell you that I know that the one we just did
Uh, I the one we just did I believe's house is about 14 000 barrels
All right
That's a lot. I know have you we were talking about again heaven so because they have the huge, you know, five story six story rick houses
Where they had that tremendous fire?
uh up there where they
Burnt down and they lost thousands and thousands and thousands of barrels of bourbon. Yeah
Uh, is there any kind of fire suppression system in those things or is it just open air?
Because I know there's really no atmosphere ac or heat or anything. It's you're letting the elements do its thing
Yeah, so anyway at this, you know, I think the rick houses are fascinating because
Even we're we're at iron root. They're like, you know this this over here ages differently than it does over here
So i'm curious as you go through this
Uh the stuff at the front of the building or in the middle of the building
How that those expressions change?
especially in texas
and
You know, it's different. You know
regionally has an impact i'm thinking with the heat the variations of heat
I mean, do you guys have fans in there?
I mean, or do you have the gable in vents that just let natural air come in? No, um along both walls
Um, there's windows that essentially flap up and so it opens and so it can breathe
Through and then side to side so big barn doors on each side and then windows all along the long sides of the barn
So I was doing a little calculating here and with uh, 14,000 barrels. It is
approximately
Uh 21 million pounds
Of whiskey
If it's full, right? Yeah, that's a combined 20. Well this one it says 18 to 22 thousand barrels
But if you dumb that down, it's probably around 21 million pounds of whiskey
Well, you use different size barrels too, right? That's exactly what I was about to say. Yeah, yeah use different size barrels
These are what's their standard? I mean, it's basically well, there's a barge but I mean the standard one is what 55 53
53 is there a 50 what what are the different sites? Uh, I couldn't tell you all of them. Um, I know our
Main our main one is 53 for our single barrels
We use a lot of 25 gallons and for like the balmerie like we're talking about the double
Okay, the second barrel is a 25 gallon barrel. Those are those are fun. I say fun
Because you know, they're they're a lot easier to handle. Oh, yeah, they're way easier to store
And they're like little morsels of love you can just
I don't know if you can carry it but god bless it. You can almost carry it
I mean you could probably prop it up on a wheelbarrow, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, 25
Yeah, it's heavy. They're heavy, but like 200 300 pounds
Give or take probably probably 200 ish. Yeah, I mean well they say I don't know what it is
But a gallon of water weighs there's a certain amount right? So a gallon of water
There's a certain pound. I imagine bourbon's the same way. Yeah, I'm a gallon of it is eight pounds
You know one of those things about the the barrels. I I really like uh, it's called me weird but
It's kind of like this fatuation with like those wine bottles the cork to take it out and you smell it
Mm-hmm. I learned something kind of new. Uh, I I didn't know those little things were called bungholes that you put in the whiskey barrels
Uh, I see you. I know it's a bung that you put into the hole
Oh, so it's a bung hole that the bung goes in correct. Yes. I kept thinking like beavis and button
whatever
bungholio
Corn holio corn holio. Yeah, all right, but what I was what I was driving is uh when we picked up our 1845 barrels
our complimentary
Excellent guys towards 1845. Uh, they uh, they gifted us a couple barrels by the way
So anyways, so we get the barrels and they have the little bungs and right you smell it
It's like I got that wonderful aroma. I I dig it. Yeah, i'm excited about that. That should be a collectible thing
Right bunghole. Do you sell your bungs?
Wow, probably they sell everything they sell everything they give shop
So I want to get to some of the some of the other bourbons that garrison has there's one coming out
uh
Really soon the cowboy because when we had the class
Uh with donnas, he said that this year's going to be it's uh hazmat level correct. We're very interested in that
Uh, we obviously like the hire proof stuff and uh the hazmat they're
Hard to find a good good bourbon. That's hazmat is hard to find at least here locally
Uh, so when is that coming out and what can you tell us about that? So the distillery
Distillery release was just a couple weeks ago, uh, and then coming out up here to dfw
Uh very soon if not today
So it just it kind of varies it takes a couple weeks to get up from the distillery to up here
Um, but the distillery release this year was september 21st
And this is actually the second year in a row that it's been hazmat. So last year was 140.9 proof and this year's 140.2
Outstanding and it is
Phenomenal. Yeah, I think we need to get a bottle say that proof again 140 what point to this here?
So the cowboy bourbon uncut unfiltered straight bourbon whiskey 140.2 proof. So I don't think we have ever had anything that high
Though the rumble was that we had the we had t a h and that was 144. Yeah. Oh damn
Yeah, we don't have a lot over the the the standard hazmat the 140, right?
So that's the stuff that you can't take on airplanes because it's flammable. Yeah, bustable. No shit. Yes
There's probably a lot of reasons why there's not a lot of those
Right. Well, it's hard to get those barrels that come out at that high proof and the fact also that it is a batched
Bourbon, so it's not a single barrel
You know, it's one thing to pull a bear a single barrel and have it higher proof like that
But to get be able to batch
Several barrels together and still have it at that high of a proof. Yeah, that's something that's not easy to do
Yeah, because each barrel goes through its own experience correct, right in terms of you know
Evaporation or how do you get something like that that hot?
I mean is there do is there some protocol that you guys do is hey we want to target these 10 barrels to try to
Get them up there according to donnis
I think y'all he talked to you a little bit about it in the class that y'all were in the piggy bank
Method of picking up the barrels and shaking it and feeling which one has the least juice in it. So the one that's had the most water
Evaporate out for angel share right feeling like it has the least juice inside of that barrel
That's going to mean that more of that water is evaporated. Therefore that alcohol content jumps up granted. It's not
Guaranteed right, you know, it's kind of just up to the the bourbon gods what they decide that proved to be
But generally the less juice that you're pouring out of that barrel, which is again something that makes it so special
Of being a batch of so many select barrels that are hand-picked the favorite barrels per se of dan and donnis
And being able to put those together and still have something that high proof is what
Is it a is it a double barrel or is it just single single?
One oak, okay, it's just high it's your high proof
Bourbon is what it is and this year I know past years
The way it was described was a six-year minimum uncut unfiltered this year. It says it's eight-year. Wow uncut unfiltered
Yeah, we've always we've talked about that, especially here in texas
The ultra I think ultra aged in texas hyper maturation. You're looking at eight years, right?
So, you know because you can find 10 12 15 18 year old bourbons out there
I don't know if you're ever gonna see that out of a texas. No, definitely not that barrel will be empty
Yeah, 15 years right less than that. Yeah. Now have you uh has garrison brothers?
Do they have a barrel kind of set aside where they're kind of testing that to say what is the length that we can actually get?
Out of these things. I wish I could speak to that
The truth is that donnis probably does a lot of stuff that we don't know about at our level
We don't know about at our level, you know
Tucked away hidden with a secret sticker on it or something. I I don't know. I honestly I wish I
Found that fascinating that because texas is wholly different than the bourbons and the whiskies that come out of texas are completely different
I think not completely but they're quite a bit different than the kentucky or wherever else try them just because of the heat
Right heat and that the the the the altitude right pressure on the barrels and how old can you get it before?
It's basically tastes like a hunk of wood basically. So
It's a very debated topic with garrison brothers in general
I see especially in the whiskey clubs is people say that it's too oaky or it's over. Right?
But I mean if you love oak then it's not too over. It's not too oak
I mean, we're all enjoying it, you know, I do any of y'all think it's too oaky
Oh, you know, actually hold on not not yours, but let's look we've got a 16 year. What is that up there out there calamé?
Yeah
Did you say oak bomb?
Nice. Yeah, we got 16 year calamé. It's completely it's it's really oaky, but it's still great. Right? Right? Yeah
So I love that flavor, you know, I love that flavor
but the thing is is with texas it's uh, what we refer to as like a hyper maturation process where
In four years you get the equivalent of a 10 to 12 year, Kentucky
Just because how different the weather is and how intense it is and cooks the shit out of the barrels
Extreme. Yeah extreme. Yeah in both both directions, right? Right?
Yep, exactly cold mornings and hot days, right? Right. I mean today it was beautiful this morning
What was it like 60 degrees on the logo this morning? Then it was 92. I know as I'm driving over here
It fascinates me. Welcome to Texas. Yeah the
The how how the variations of flavors that the different?
Barrels produce all under the same mash bill. Yeah, it's it's fascinating and the same wood too the same bar the same mash bill
And the same wood, let's talk about it. So we've got the garrison brothers. This is the texas straight bourbon whiskey
We're sampling right now single barrel right single barrel. Yep, single barrel 94 proof single barrel 94 proof
And I gotta tell you and I think I started the podcast off kind of giving you shit a little bit because I was
Because you know, it's a little frustrating when you're trying to buy stuff and we're like fuck fuckers and brothers
And it no not at all. We we I we really enjoy garrison brothers
We do it was just a price point that was kind of like we weren't
Out of our reach at the time at the time. Yeah, but currently I mean it's still a lot
But I mean at this time the way we buy stuff for the podcast essentially is that we go out and we procure
And we split it three ways
And we're much more discerning at this point where we're
Not buying the thirty dollar each of us would buy a thirty dollar bottle every week. Yeah, that's what it was
So we were but you could get a good bottle for thirty dollars
I mean it was bad ones too. Yeah, but uh now we're at the point where we have a couple hundred out there
We're like, okay, we need to be more selective. We want to get something. We really want we want to enjoy
We'll spend more money for it
Uh, because we'll split it three ways and even if we buy two expensive bottles, we still split it three ways
Right, and we've done that as well and it's it's we're becoming more discerning. We know what we like. We know what we don't like
uh, and uh, that's saying, you know, I think some of the
Benchmark foolproof. Oh, that's outstanding. Yeah, yeah, 25 bucks. That is great
Proof for that stuff the bottle to buy wonderful. So price point is does not necessarily equal quality correct, but uh,
I think you really have to know that the distillers garrison brothers makes outstanding stuff
Uh, so there's others out there
But we have them it does not there is not good stuff out there like wow
How do they sell this stuff? Maybe somebody likes it? I mean we don't but right, you know, we've got some really bad stuff out there
We do so the uh, the the advertising here is garrison brother
All of them. That's what they say. What is the one with coconut?
Awful. Oh, well, I got it. Williamsburg. He bought that because it said it has coconut in it
whatever and we
What a train wreck, but do you know what the thing is is that this is how normal people's palates work
You know, we kind of gravitate towards certain things that make sense and you know to dive into some of those rides
Uh, you know, those are a stringent at that time. We're like, oh, it's like iberproval alcohol. I'm drinking
It's crazy. So the weeds are softer. So yeah, I would say that newbies
Are more hung up on some of the wheat stuff now
We did the antithesis. We went 100 percent
100 percent wheat on the fray ranch fray ranch and I loved it. It was buttery the butter one
Yeah, I loved it. It was awful
You know, but that's an anomaly and it was what 132 proof?
Yeah, you know we have that out there if you want to take a little slap on it. Is that the yellow label one?
It's black label. Okay, uh, you can't find it here. I was out in Nevada. I recommend you do
The amounts i was out in Nevada where they're at and it's a it's a single grain. It's a wheat whiskey 100% wheat
Yeah, 100% wheat and it's it
It's very buttercream like
100 amazingly buttercream. It's like how the hell do they harness this flavor?
Yeah, I actually wouldn't mind trying it again. It shocked me so much the first time I tried it
Right i'll have to jump on that
It may not be may not be as bad this time around because remember I had the same response to the weird one the brazilian
The rd1 the amberana and that was very very different
Yeah
And at first I didn't like it because it was so different than anything we've ever tasted and then they tried it and they were like
Oh my god, that's great. I was like really and I tried it again and I was like
And I don't know if they like, you know, just they were shaming me into like
No, I mean, but it's it was so different but it's it's great. It is great. So anyway, so yeah, you should try the fray for sure
But let's back up to the single barrel garrison brothers, uh, the texas straight bourbon whiskey that we got
We want to put this in the books and we're going to rate this right? So this is a well
I want him to kind of speak to
some of the things
About this bottle the single barrel, you know, you know, you may know some things about this that
Regarding what the shape of it and
Very phallic. Oh
What's inside? Oh what's inside the barrel? Oh
It's not very foul the actual liquid. That's what it's like. I like the wax too. It's there square
It also you mean the net the match bill you want to game? No the mess well
What just what makes single barrel different from the rest? I think is what you yeah. Yeah, so
Our standard everyday sipper is our small badge bourbon, which is a batch of about 50 barrels
so donnis picks out the flavor profile that he likes for our small batch every year and
Essentially, he's tasting barrels every year. So
Essentially, he's tasting barrels every day to pick out the next 50 barrels to use for our small batch
Now when he comes across very unique barrels
As in his words check all the boxes
But don't necessarily match the profile that we want for small batch that are unique enough and have their own character
That's standalone and don't need to be batched together shouldn't be batched together
Those are the ones that are set to the side for our single barrel program. Now. This is our 94 proof
So it's the same proof as our small batch proof down to 94
Which is just that sweet spot we found with our juice specifically that you get all that flavor and the heat that you know
bourbon connoisseurs
Like especially if you can handle the oak
So this is one of those barrels that's been hand picked because of the flavor of it that it
Is not going to be batched together with small batch every single barrel bottle or every single barrel barrel
Uh, which the barrel number is on the side on all of them is going to be totally different and have its own flavor profile
I had no idea
When I think small batch I was thinking six
eight ten barrels fifty barrels our small batches. Yeah, so and
Interesting thing about 25 gallon barrels
No, these are 53. Yeah. Yeah
Um, but there are distilleries that are several thousand barrels for their small batch
Um, 50 is not a lot. It's really not wow
Look at a google put small before rose a small batch. Well, that was going to be my next question is yeah
Really? What is small batch? So what does that mean? I mean if it doesn't say small batch
if it's just
The like wild turkey 101 how many barrels make that up?
101 doesn't say small batch on it. That's what I mean. It's uh, unlimited
They probably wouldn't even tell you how many thousands of barrels may make that
Yeah, because they're they're pouring they're just dumping barrels into a giant a giant thing
And so small batch is relative to the distiller, correct?
so if you're a wild turkey who makes hundreds of thousands of barrels or however many they do a small batch may be
3000 barrels, right?
For them, right?
Whereas with the garrison brothers the amount of barrels that you're currently making 50 is a small bet
Right. Well, and I and I think you keep growing maybe becomes 100 barrels
I've heard that some use as many as 10 000 barrels and still call it small batch
So that's why I wait, you know
Y'all's reaction to 50 50 is not a lot when you think about it
and especially when all of those barrels are being tasted by one person and saying
This has a profile that will batch well together to give a consistent product bottle to bottle because that's the whole thing
With our small batches. We want every bottle to be similar enough where you like it today
You like it next year you like the next one to me. That's a much more intimate process for a small batch
Yeah, compared to what you said. No one's trying 10 1000 barrels
I was gonna say how do you taste 10 000 barrels in the time frame before they start changing?
Because they're aging while you know, you can't do that. So the question is are they being tasted?
That's are they just being bad? Maybe you're just like taking this one. I'm gonna go over this one
Okay, that's that means all these are similar. Yeah kind of well, who knows how they're doing it
Well, and it's also uh the proof right usually small batch is higher proof
Right. Uh, so necessarily. I don't know
necessarily
Well, this is maybe on average they seem like they are more
Because I I know where you're coming from. Yeah, you know eh taylor small batch, you know hunter proof
But it's bottled and bond so bottle and bond is even more strict
Right, it's a whole different right but four rows is one four rows of small batches 90 proof probably too. Yeah
Yeah, I see your point, but I don't think that that's a rule. I don't think that's necessarily
Not a rule but but i'm thinking okay if they want to do a higher proof
Small batch and they want to do let's say 500 000 bottles of it
Then they're gonna pick 10 000 barrels and they're gonna leave it at the proofs that they are at or or or dilute it to a certain
You know 115. Yeah. Yeah, or something like that. I I think that's generally
You know like you said every discovery is different blah blah blah blah blah
But I think it's the combination of proof and the combination of how many bottles they want to make of it to determine
You know and then and then yes if it's a smaller operation that is more intimate to like literally flavor profiles and matching and shit
Like that, which is awesome. Then yes, it's it's I mean because uh 1845
1845 is the same way they they do six barrels is a small batch, right?
Yeah, six. Yeah, well everyone has a nomination because they're tiny they're tiny and they know that they're going to make
60 bottles. Yeah, right as compared to you know, what what garrison brothers? I mean, yeah is a lot right?
So well look uh all in all, uh, we're really enjoying garrison brothers more now than ever just
I'm kind of over that hump of uh the disappointment from just you know
I'm being scarred with the pain of the money because like you said we were not used to spending that much
But now we're at a point where like god bless it
You know what quality means something it does it does so the garrison brother single brother bourbon is proof that each barrel is special
Whether you are trying a single barrel cast strength or 94 proof
You'll experience the differences in each barrel caused by the interaction of each american white oak barrel
The searing texas climate and the juice inside means that no two barrels of bourbon will exactly
Uh be alike each barrel of garrison brother single barrel has aged for at least three years in the searing texas heat
Soaking up a unique set of notes and flavors from the new american white oak barrel
Uh, that's straight off the website. Uh, this is what we're drinking guys. Let's rate this thing. All right
Fantastic. Yeah, I have to say that again. We have a lot of 90s 95
uh proof bourbons out there and a lot of the comments that we typically take is
because we're used to the
115 120 130
Have you guys described that to james the the level level? No, no, but no
Okay, but what i'm gonna say is
There's a lot of flavor in there. Oh, yeah
We have a lot that are that we drink are like it's like drinking tea or whatever
It's not like this. This is very you could chew this
Uh, it's oily. It's good. It's rich. It is rich and it's like
Usually you have to count on a whiskey being higher proof to be able to extrapolate and pull out these flavors
and the fact that you guys
can
Can pull those flavors out through a 94 proof. Yep is phenomenal. So if we were to classify that
uh
there are different scoring systems that we have that we're starting to keep track of because rating 132
Rating a hazmat in 130 120
15 whatever you got
It those are all different levels and different levels of appreciation
Uh when you get to the little overs like jeff said the texas, uh tx whiskey fuck man
You could drink that shit. It's like freaking you know pop an ice cube in there. It's an ice tea
I think you were drinking the uh
What's the one you were just you had like five glasses of it
You know, and he's like this is so easy
And james that was our challenge so we were trying to compare the rating of this one and the rating of this one
Well, this is a 90 proof. We have lower expectations for its richness and whatever but for a 90 proof
If you compare it to other 90 proofs, yeah, this one's really really good
Yeah, yeah, that's what we were struggling. I I put this in
We got to put it in the in the 90 proof. I tell you and I don't give them
I don't give very high grades, but i'm gonna go ahead and start us off
This one is a 9.0
A 9.0 for for the category that it's at but the category that we're putting it on because of the proof
Yeah, yeah, but in fact I would i'm gonna venture to do 9.2
Wow, that's good. It's high because honestly at 94 proof. I don't think have you ever had one
That's better at 94 proof. We had the mickters 10
Which I believe is 95 noted. Yeah, and this is
Damn near as good as that. We almost drank the whole damn bottle and not
Not aged anywhere near as long right? Yeah. Shout out to brian from san francisco
san diego
Diego shame thing is sailor. Well, I put thanks for that put this right up there with that because I would uh
The mickters 10 is outstanding. This is outstanding. I'm right up there with him right there about the 899
For this
A lot of our stuff we were given like what we have last week. We gave it. We're not saying that because you're here
I was gonna say don't say something
I would hope not my rating is a 2.8
But but we also have to because we do that sometimes where I don't know if it's pressure
Because even though I don't like it if I don't like it. I'm not going to give it something. I think sometimes we phone
Pray to that where we're like, well, I don't want a bad mouth this right, right?
So but all the palettes are a little different. Oh, yeah, and
There is some that they like that I don't like and i'm a much lower, you know, they call you're a dick
All that smoky shit. Oh, yeah, that's actually true
No, he's a pansy. Yeah, all that like the the balcony is brimstone. That's like
I love that right now. Yeah, they like it. I can't like it. He didn't like the fray wheat. We loved it, right? So
Our palettes are very curious. I'm the only one that has liked everything. Oh, that's
Problematic. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So is everything a 9.2?
No, no, no
I'm straightly picky on what I with I
I'm true. I'm true to what i'm voting for and i'll shoot from the hip. This has tremendous flavor
hats off well, I think I think what you
You said exactly what I was saying before is like the hyper maturation process when you're comparing it to 10 year mickters
And this is three years probably three to four years. It's a very flattering comparison and it's very similar
Oh, I know. I love well, I mean the the 10 years mickters wasn't microwaved in a rick house in texas. Yeah, but that's the effect
You get is you can get that flavor level
Yeah, and a fraction of the time because of how intense it is
But you have to do it right here because you can't just you know, willy-nilly do it
There's a certain level of love that goes into every single product and this is i'm super excited that we got to sample this
I'm super excited that we have the opportunity to pick up that hazmat cowboy wink wink
Well, we need to get with uh, stan and kevin so we need to let me when it comes in we need a text
Yeah, I I will say this about uh the single barrel here. It it is it's outstanding start to finish
That is sometimes we have a weak nose, you know, we've got a a harsh finish
This is start to finish and i'm going to echo you i'm going to go with nine two
perfect
Yeah, no, and it's hard to expect the asshole. Yeah
Yeah, you know throughout the high and the low. Did you say a score? Did you say nine? Yes, nine. Okay, so yeah
Yeah
Yeah, no, it's excellent
Outstanding out. Yeah
exactly, so look, uh, I want to do a a shout out to
Um some folks out there on the east coast with these hurricanes are coming in there
So if you're listening to the podcast in a week or something just know that there are some people out there
We we want to send some love because there's some horrific stuff going on, you know, dude
I I will tell you at my office it we were obsessed with you know
Like everybody was giving updates like it's in the gulf and it's supposed to hit tampa bay
First time it's gonna hit tampa bay head on since 1914 or something crazy. I mean that's incorrect you would well, right?
Yeah, you know what? DeSantis did a great job today. Um in one of his uh,
When he was on the on the tv
He was talking about how they're rating or comparing this hurricane in the in the the milton one and he was like look guys
We've gone through hurricanes like this before, you know when they turn around and say this is one in a hundred years
Bitch, please. It's not well, they're doing it like they're doing it for sensationalism. Yeah, right
That's what the journalists do and that's the whole thing
I kind of wanted to dry this out
I was going to totally flip this podcast upside down and I wanted to talk about the the idiocy of uh,
Of the mainstream media right now and how they're trying to turn this this political event with you know
Kamala harris talking to de santas and they're like I called him he didn't answer his phone
You know and it's like they're going back and forth. It's like how retarded is this?
Well, now what the santa's had a great comeback. He goes i've been in communication with the president. That's right. Yeah
He's like she doesn't play a role in this. Yeah, she has no
Like totally ouch
Yeah, it's just like, you know, take a backseat bitch. I mean, what are you doing?
What are you doing? You know, and then you're gonna hold yourself accountable. What are what is fema doing? Are they really?
Preventing uh help are they really preventing uh, elon musk is uh,
Starlink stuff from getting in there
Are they really preventing I mean because they they were showing like videos of these helicopters all lined out and they weren't doing shit
And they've got thousands and thousands of pounds of of water and supplies that need to be shipped out and they're just sitting there
Right. I mean, what is true?
I don't know. Is it like a 30 second video and then right after that they all take they're all 30 second videos
But my my point is it always my point is that you never know what the hell you're looking at
You don't know what's true. You don't know what's right
But the point is the point is the mainstream media is stirring up shit. Nobody wants to hear that crap right now
Yeah, there's like a million millions of people that are dealing with serious problems
You know what I want to say and we don't want to deal with that bullshit
I wanted kamala to say hey look, uh, I didn't I was unable to get in touch with uh, governor de santas
And and I can imagine he's busy. Yeah, I imagine he's busy and we were all praying from him
Uh from every all of our our citizen seats
Yeah, you know and we're trying to make stuff work out there. Why can't we be adult?
Yeah, it's just like, you know, they turned into an opportunity. It's just so frustrating
Anyways, that that was the uh, the hurricanes going on strong right now and there's mudslides in florida in florida. No up in uh,
Uh, you know georgia. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's just like this crazy stuff and isn't there like a third one coming in that's kind of
There's another one
Being tracked. I don't think they well, there's always yeah
I thought it was interesting that it was interesting that it was what how you say helini helene helene helene
All right. Helena helene was h helena, right helene was h and then all of a sudden milton came along
I was like, what is their wikipedia helena? Well, I was like what the fuck happened to ijkl
I don't turn anything
Or they go somewhere else. Yeah, right. So it's each my that's my point though. Those those are
Those did happen and they were in the middle of the atlantic and they weren't causing any problems
I mean, so the point is there was always during hurricane season
It is a it's a machine like the earth is like producing these things. Oh like like crazy those vibrations
Look, there's there's there's frequencies that are going through there
There's like this polarity of electrical lightning striking every it's like jostling the whole oh the moon is ringing like everything moon's ringing
Like a bell like crystal skulls
Yes, that's sean's theory that the moon has a bell in it it's hollowed that is not true
Did you know the moon? No, all i'm saying is that they verify you didn't know that
Take it back
It's like what i got myself into i'll tell you what what i have he's like can we talk about burton?
I'll tell you what i have been seeing that I think florida is going to be impacted by this
I think the news is is
Contributing to this is there's a lot of people now moving out of florida because moving out or evacuating moving out
Because it's becoming extremely expensive to live there and we're gonna and who's gonna live there
Right, and who's gonna go move there who's gonna soak up all that property?
Oh, I have a friend in houston who was saying that that's just every year
Well, we replace their fence on the roof every year hurricane season
Yeah, i'm talking about we're talking about the population like if people if they leave out of there
Imagine who's gonna go there. No one's leaving. I don't believe it. Okay, let's well
Well, I heard that there's a lot of folks from new york who moved down there. They're moving back step into
California moving back. Well, haven't you all seen seinfeld? Isn't that where everybody from new york goes when they retire?
They go to work. There's snow bodies that are that are arizona some of the conspiracy theories that are coming out and this is
Absurd as I think it is they're they're they're in city winning absurd. So I know look look this is you heard a harp, right?
Seed planting stuff, you know with the cloud seeding. Oh god here we go
I mean I don't subscribe to this. I'm just simply saying that you know right now
There is a campaign from some folk out there that think that as a result of this technology of harp
They're trying to rain havoc down on florida get those folks to move out. So who can move in?
That is the dumbest thing i've ever yes, that's what i'm saying. I have heard it meaning they're seeding
They're seeding clouds over the gulf of mexico to make it form a category five hurricane
They know somehow somehow they're steering it towards uh, california. I mean florida
I mean really really well, I mean look come on bro
Anybody who believes that is not giving mother nature playing any any respect doubles advocate
I will say that if you have a
a uh a a hurricane that's coming in yeah, and
It's in a category one one and a half and you start feeding it all that. What is that silver?
What should this shoot up? They shoot some chemical up in there. That's a silver nitrate silver or something
They're spraying old williamsburg old williamsburg all over the hurricane and hold on
Let me look I don't believe this at all at all at all literally at all if you if you could appreciate for a
second the the the amount of energy that it takes to produce and sustain
Silver iodide is a common seeding agent used in cloud seeding to create ice crystals and increase precipitation
Now is that possible? Yes, are they doing this to create if they're doing this to?
Chase people out of florida. There'd be one every week
boom boom boom
Not two or one a year, right and they're like they're like they're like damn it. We're making them too fast slow down
Slow down you're making it too obvious. Damn it bobby, right? Right. That is absurd
Who are they saying is going to move into these places?
Well, I mean what they're saying is that they're just going to open up for the dems to come in and kind of uh take over
Like put a bunch of illegal aliens. They're trying to win florida back. I mean they could move there now
Why well they are they're being dropped off there. Well, no, I mean throughout the years. It's it's turned
Red bright red. Yeah, it used to be a purple state now. It's a red state
Yeah, and it's bright red because the santa's is doing a fantastic job. He really is very happy. They're very happy there
He really is he's doing good, but I think people are
I'm not saying it's gonna be a mass exit, but there are gonna be I think higher than normal because
These places get wiped out
And then the insurance is too expensive or they don't get insured at all
Oh, the insurance is is is out of I mean you have to have insurance in your house
You have to have insurance in your car. There there's certain things you have to have
It's more like liability purposes that it serves not from natural disasters, but to be able to accommodate your
policy or
to get a policy that is actually going to protect you from those perils of storms and and you know
Just coming in and flooding there. Those are two different things. Right? It's so expensive
I just saw an article the other day saying that it's normal for
Flood insurance to go up in places that get hit by hurricanes 20% every year that that's like the expected norm is 20% every year
So you're right. I mean, I guess it could get to the point where it's like we've loved to say
I mean, I'm sure everybody who loved that that lives in Florida loves Florida, right? I guarantee
Oh, yeah, right. There's so much right just like California. They love it's beautiful a beautiful place
They love it's beautiful abuse like Texas worn out beautiful. Yeah, the guy I've worn out
So I guess they can reach a point where it's like we'd love to stay but we literally cannot afford
Right. And I think that's where they're kind of getting to the real rebuild process
Plus the guy I saw be an interview he goes I'm getting too old for this
I don't want to deal with it anymore. There's people that that that
They work their entire life. They're like they've got that dream from the Seinfeld where they're coming down from New York
They've they've saved their entire life. They have their whole retirement. They go down there
They they set up shop and they have their home. They get it just the way they like it. It's small
It's for the two of them. It's a little lovebird fest in there a little it's right on the ocean
It's there you got the optics and all of a sudden
Asshole hurricane shows up hurricane asshole the first first hurricane of the season
Oh, whatever it is. It just comes in it just farts on their freaking retirement and they've got no money
They they've invested in all their retirement. So at this point now, they're kind of like people look at them
Uh, you're a fucking loser. What are you? It's like bitch. I worked my entire life
For what i've got and I just lost it all right lost it all you know why because
I was ignorant and didn't know
How to buy the correct insurance policy
right because they were so
Amped up to sell me something that's going to make me just
You know buy the house and get it whatever buy your property get it going and you think you're protected
You think you're protected it's kind of like you know, and I look in and I am throwing stones at the insurance companies
I think that's I think the correct word is obfuscation. You know, it's kind of like it's bells and whistles
You know you hey look we is this covered. Yeah, that's covered. This is covered
Yes, that's covered
But when you look at the fine print it is covered and it's only covered under a b and c
And hurricane ain't on that fucking number or letter, you know
It's like it in other words the only time they call them because they need something they're told no
No, sorry, it's not covered. It's frustrating to see it's frustrating to hear these stories
And I just think that there could there's a better system out there
You know what they should do gotta be they should move to tornado rally here in dallas
Well, look, I mean there's the the other side of this is that you've got like new orleans where
Katrina came in and fucking broke the dyke and shit just drawn out
I mean look and the people are kind of like from the united states, but don't fucking live in a flood zone
You dumbass. No, no, no, don't build a city under sea level under sea. Yeah, there you go, dude
Dude, I think that the french engineer that built that thing. I mean they should dig him up and just punch him in shit
I mean because it was bad
Yeah, that was bad who does that who builds a city under? Yeah, but they did know they didn't know oh they didn't
I mean, they're french. They're french. Oh, we're gonna fuck these guys over
At some point we'll sell it to the americans
Yeah, but the thing is is that florida's kind of falling into that same ball of wax that new orleans is it's kind of like
Why do you want to like?
You know, I think part of the challenge is to live there
Well, I think that's part of the challenge is you have these people who who the population is so much more
So when these storms hit it impacts so much more people sure
Just like up when it hit georgia
Or north carolina that whole area, you know, there's people
That have lived there, but now it's populous more than it has been much more impacted
So instead of it impacting, you know, 100 families it impacted 10 000 families
And that's you know what every area has got its issues, right? How many times we hear about california wildfires mudslides
Uh, well, no, it's well, it's because earthquakes. Well, they also get cut there because all these people are like, oh I want a
A house in the hills, right? Right, and you know, their insurance got to be crazy expensive
Well, you don't hear about the wildfires in los angeles. It's all the wildfires fires in the mountains where people are moving to
Don't live in the fucking mountains. Well, it kind of like brings to
Yeah, I don't want to live there either the smog cloud above that city is the nastiest thing i've ever seen
It kind of brings to the light of some of the events that occurred in hawaii maui where they've got all this like weird laser
Thing that they're they're like, oh, no, it's a volcano. What the fuck is that out?
It's a volcano. No, i'm talking about when an oprah
Winfrey's where she was at how the fire that broke out there that just
Stormed through the island, you know, it just killed a bunch of people and damaged like thousands and thousands of acres
They look lost there was a conspiracy theory that it was a laser that started that fire. Yeah, you didn't hear they both look lost
I heard that one
A laser I don't follow that that uh, what is it called a direct energy weapon or something do something like that?
Oh from an alien. No like from a satellite like starling type shit or whatever. This was a
But look the thing is is that there there were there were a lot of heat anomalies that weren't directed energy weapon
solid projectile lasers
I heard this conspiracy and then the people like oprah wanted all the those poor people to leave because this was prime real estate
And so let's just burn them out
But that's they're gone now aren't they let's burn them out and then the government went in there and seized their property because they
Couldn't pay their freaking rent uh bill or the is that for real mortgage? Yeah, absolutely 100%
So now the rich people own all that land. Well, it went back to the city or it went back to so they're not rebuilding any of that
no
No, google it if you can I mean we won't find it because they're not talking about it
But that's exactly what happened. But all those people I don't believe in the whole do thing. I don't know. I don't know
It is the point is the what the do the direct energy weapon? I don't believe that but the the whole thing is that there's
She's not that powerful. Bullshit. I don't think it's an oprah that you don't know. I don't think so
I'm imagining oprah. She's sitting in her she's sitting here on her lounge chair
Oh in her major. Yeah, she's on the phone and they're like, okay, man. We've got everything lined up like michelle
She has a button right there. Yeah, be like ma'am. Do we have the permission to fire? Uh, you know what?
Give me a minute
Well, she's my time dicks with michelle obama and p diddy, you know
I go ahead and fire the laser guys. Did you guys hear about the the p diddy stuff and all that weird shit that's going on?
Oh, gee
There's a lot of it wasn't like oprah hanging out with diddy
Sean puffy combs or whatever the track his name is the list will come out eventually
Yeah, but first of all, let's let's I mean to chat about the the the p diddy stuff for a second
I mean you had we I think we talked about this last podcast or a one before yeah
Regarding that you had what is it? It wasn't the the the national security
But what was it was the fbi and somebody else? Oh, they waited his house hardcore man
Yeah, they took out a bunch of stuff. They found almost a thousand dildos. They found like 10,000 bottles of oil
Yeah, and that's what they were looking for and here's another conspiracy theory
There are some people are saying that the baby oil was of clues with g infuse with g hb
What is g hp g hp is a date bearer? It's a date rape drug. They want a very compliant. God. Yes
Hey his birthday's coming up
Yeah, they're bill cosby that off of bill cosby.com
Um, yeah, it's the spanish fly spanish fly
It could treat uh narcolepsy though
Hey, there's just as many interviews of people saying shit like that. Like what cosby said about the spanish fly
There's just as many people saying shit like that about diddy party. So yeah, well, it's great
They've dug up stuff from years ago of people saying oh, yeah, we can't we can't talk about that
How did that go under wraps for so long money?
It's like harvey weinstein and all his shenanigans going on einstein or
Both of them now both of them all that weinstein too. How does it go on for so long?
Well, because people wanted to continue and they keep and they're in the loop. Yeah, they keep it out of the news
I heard somebody breaking down that the epstein thing was much more of a political figure
list and elite like people who
Had the power that that's why he was killed because there was like a whole talk of if he's did
He's gonna get killed in prison because of that and that that scene was much more of a liability because of the political political figure aspect
Whereas with diddy it's celebrities. It's hollywood. It's you know, i'm not gonna say well there's a lot of talking about federal judges
Yeah, and police chiefs and shit like that. I've freaking presidents, right trump and the apple guy. What's his name? Who freaking knows?
Steve jobs. Yeah, not steve jobs the other guy bill gates. Yeah, bill gates bill gates
He is uh microsoft. Sorry close is uh
Yeah, that's adjacent. It's apple adjacent. Yeah
Whatever computers
But you know, but i'm gonna say this though, I think I said it last time we had this conversation it
It's not fair to say that anybody who went to p diddy's party
Was like on that side. It's a mansion right fair. It's a massive mansion
Probably the crazy kinky shit was happening over here
The illegal that's what the illegal sex slave stuff was happening over here and the crate the normal people, right?
Because what's his name was at one of the parties who's who's the guy that uh,
Uh shit, come on. Uh
Oh
cat williams had a joke about it where he talked about williams he talked about walking past a room and being like
Turning his head and be like what are they doing in there? Yeah
And at those kind of parties going there
He was like he's like the he's like the epitome of like, you know, respectable black actors in in hollywood denzel denzel
Oh how he was jz he was avoiding jz. No, but denzel was there and denzel that they have witnesses
Like where denzel's screaming at p diddy you have no i've not heard that you have no respect for these people
So he basically was walking around at his party and he'd been like dude. He didn't get invited back
What the god so i've got further on that denzel washington thing
So you have jz who was tied in into that whatever that organization is with bianca and look it's
It's controversial because you know
Nobody knows what's true anymore. All you do is you pick it up all the shit somewhere
But the buzz is is that when there's videos of all that? Yeah
Well, I mean that there's denzel washington where jz was trying to get his attention and denzel physically removed his hand
And pushed him away. Yeah, it didn't even give him eye contact because denzel's a class act man as much as we can tell
Yeah, no
And so in the videos like you said apparently diddy had a bunch of blackmail videos and recorded all of this
So that's why all these people haven't spoken out for so many because apparently this shit's been going on since like the freaking early 90s
I saw a video it was on i've been here and it was a guy who was at the party and he said that
Uh, he came across the door and he's either slipped
I can't remember how he got down there
But he put his phone up next to the door to record it because he heard what was going on
Oh, no, and he was playing this audio. I don't know if it's real or not, but it was body slapping and two
I've heard that audio. Yeah, I know what you're talking about two dudes. I guess it was p diddy and some other rapper guy
It was a meek mill. I think it was meek mill. I think so. Yeah
And he was playing this audio. I'm just like
Oh my god
Yeah, you just it's no you don't you don't see anything but you know what's going on kind of a thing
No, well, you want to know the fucked up part and this could be a topic for part two is
AI is getting scary where it's like now you don't even know what's real and when it's just audio video alone
I mean the level of AI and video is scary and it's getting scarier
But audio you don't really know granted it could sound you know, people do great impressions, you know, yeah. Yep. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah
I know these guys know I don't trust anything on the internet, right anything. Yeah until I could verify or or what so
Yeah, it's funny. You you're like immediately dismissive
Instantaneously dismissive i'm like dude we were together when I took that picture like that's real like we were really at that blah blah blah
It's like that's fake. We went there
Well, there's a lot of like what you mentioned cat williams cat william has a lot of uh
Uh, uh, what did he have that interview with shannon sharp? What does everyone?
The start of this thing and and he everything he said was right kind of like i was in my right about everything
Hold on shannon sharp. What's this going on?
Shannon sharp is uh, he went, you know football player to interviewer. He just does podcast stuff
You find cat williams out there and cat williams
Uh, he was talking about his experience with oprah in a bunch of high star things
And he was like he didn't want to suck dick. That's kind of what a bull down to he didn't want to do these homosexual or uh
Uh, ungodly things at these parties and said he would go to a ditty party hang out with them have fun and stuff like but don't
Fucking go to the bedrooms because you walk in one of those bedrooms
It's kind of like boom and he said he turned down like 50 million dollars
And he said he turned down like 50 million dollars twice or something. Yeah, that's like that. That was in january
So that was six months before all this came out. Yeah, that was kind of the start of it
See guys here's the thing money and power can get you anything
Yeah, well and that's what these guys were doing it was
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