Alright.
We are back.
Mr. Producer, is your headphones, I guess they're not working.
They didn't work, would you try to run?
He said there was some static working through them.
They're the skull candies, I think.
So they're...
Alright, well.
As long as we don't hear it, we should be fine.
Well we've taken a hiatus for like, three weeks?
Three weeks.
Was it three weeks?
I know I was out two weeks.
Two weeks.
I was out the week before.
So.
Yeah.
There you go.
Because I'm a working man.
October 5th was our last podcast.
And it is now the 25th.
So yeah, three weeks.
A lot has happened.
The world has changed since we last had a podcast.
Oh, hugely, man.
But before we jump into that, we want to thank our producer for showing up.
We moved the podcast a different day.
And, anyway, dudes like us, I'm Sean.
I'm Paul.
And I am Jeff.
And welcome.
We have a couple guests here.
We don't know if they're going to talk or not.
But they are dudettes.
And they want to be a dudette like us.
And if you want to introduce yourself, just go for it.
I'm Anne.
I'm Sue.
There you go.
Alright.
They want to create their own podcast.
So they're here observing professionals.
And Sue.
The best of the best.
And very macaroni and cheese names.
I mean, very classic cliche.
It's like see Jane run with Anne and Sue.
Yeah, so they first wanted to just watch and see the setup and stuff.
But we said, uh-uh.
If you're going to do this, you've got to be in here.
Head first.
So head first.
There you go.
I guess we need to practice right away.
So jump ball in.
There you go.
It's just having a conversation, right?
No one is listening right now except us.
So we're not live or anything.
So.
Yep.
So dudes like us.
So the premise was just to talk about everyday life that dudes like us go to.
And dude ads doesn't really matter.
Just normal thresholds in life.
Kids growing up, how we grew up, toys that we played with, songs that we enjoy.
Movies.
We dip into politics.
We do.
We talk about politics a lot because dudes like us out there are affected from the current
politics that are going on.
Doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on.
It all sucks right now.
So it's frustrating.
Yeah.
It's on our minds a lot.
So naturally we talk about it.
Another perspective of the dudes like us podcast that we introduce to the folks out there are
our bourbons.
So we introduce a bourbon on the first half and we introduce a bourbon on the second half.
And we don't ask for, it'd be nice if we got some sort of promotional, you know, a swag
that they can send us.
Merch.
Yeah, merch.
We'd have a lot of every one of those distilleries out there send us something.
Yeah.
That's why I'm doing this.
I'll tell you one of the coolest things that I enjoy about dudes like us will be size of
podcast, which is it is fun.
It is therapeutic for us because we get out there and we talk and we get it off our chest
and and I really get it off the chest.
In fact, like Jeff said, is super true.
Half the shit I say is deleted.
No, but when we get through the bourbons at the end of the bottle's life, we dump the
remainder into what they call an infinity bottle.
Right.
So the infinity bottle we talk about once in a blue moon, but some of those dudes like
us listeners out there that are regular listeners, there's no exactly what we're referring to.
And we got it like the bottle is two thirds full.
It's probably got about it looks beautiful.
Close to 30 different great tasting bourbons are all included in there, roughly anywhere
from one to five ounces per bottle.
So when we get to the end of a bottle that we've sampled, like once or twice, or maybe
maybe three times is not enough to go around three more times.
So we take that remainder and dump it in the jug.
Right.
And the jug is the infinity bottle.
And each jug is a gallon.
So we almost have a full gallon of it.
And every once in a while we sample it.
And it's amazing.
It changes every time you put something new in there.
So I bet.
Yeah, really, really good.
Who gets to keep the jug at their house?
It's here.
It doesn't leave here.
And I think it doesn't get any camera on it.
24, 7, no one touches our system.
Yeah, they would know.
I think they market every time.
We have to.
Anyway, so yeah, my kids are not in the house anymore.
So I think that's why the Bourbons are here and stuff like that.
So no one's drinking it.
All good.
All right.
Did you find all right, we'll hit this in a minute.
Yes.
He was he was our producer was trying to pull it up and it is a so unique proprietary bottle.
So they don't have a whole lot of information on it.
Very unique.
Cool.
And I'm sure you probably reading the back, so I hope your eyes.
It's like, no, we'll do that later.
That's just a gold blur.
Why has it been so long?
What happened?
Let's see.
You went somewhere.
Well, you were out the first week, I thought, right?
I was working.
But then you went on a couple of trips.
I went to work related.
I had work related trip.
I was out in the South Carolina areas for a week and then I went to visit my dad out
at Lake Tahoe.
Did you sight see at all out in Carolinas or was it work work work?
Oh, the airport is eight to five thirty every single day.
Really?
There wasn't like a team building thing where you go to the beach.
No, you have crappy management.
No, they got to hang out at a bar.
Well, yeah, we'd go out to a nice dinner and have a drink or two.
And then anyone get blown up?
No, although it's not a good idea at a work function.
Well, you know, Jeff, he'll go to the back of the kitchen and pull a big old box and
lay cardboard out, start breakdancing for everybody.
Right.
I don't think that right now.
But we did get to enjoy because one of the team members came up from Mexico City and
she brought in an outstanding bottle of tequila.
Oh, nice.
It's about 200 bucks here in the states for the bottle.
Yes.
Wow.
And 1842 or something like that?
No, it wasn't 1842.
It was well, the other guy who was there says it's even better than 1842.
It's Jose Cuervo Reserve, I think.
I sent you guys a picture of it is one of those aged in a yeah.
It's extremely aged and in Yeho.
Oh, I was actually I was going to say in 1942.
I think that's what it is.
No, it's.
It's Jose Cuervo Reserve.
They left Amelia.
Oh, wow.
You sound authentic.
Yeah, it was does not taste like very good at all.
It was like a like a.
That's what's interesting.
These aged tequilas are the furthest thing from what you know.
I mean, I mean, if you're sitting there and you're tasting it, you maybe ought to pick
up a little hint of that tequila flavor, but it was sweet butterscotch caramels.
Nothing like a bourbon.
Right.
But that's because it's got the.
It was outside the agave plant in there.
It's got that distinct flavor.
I really enjoy tequilas.
But if you've been the.
I'm to keep the yeah, they're they're a little bit different.
They kind of they pull something you never, never touch again.
No, well, I won't get.
We all have that right.
I mean, back in college, it was like, oh, my God, I had mad dog and I could never ever
ever.
Well, back in college, it was usually it was just gut rot.
Oh, yeah.
Something horrible.
It was like the
what's what's been some of the major things that have happened.
Let's see.
I mean, right out of the gate.
I mean, we've got a huge event happening overseas in Israel with the attack on the Gaza Strip.
You know, that's that that has like possibly global implications.
I've been watching this stuff where it's like, you know, they always say, well, we're three.
How can we start?
Right.
I mean, what would have to happen?
Who would have to do this and who would have to do that?
Man, I'll tell you what.
They had a guest on the Tucker show, Carl Tucker.
No, Tucker Carlson, Carl Tucker.
Yeah, and and there was some colonel and, you know, I had no idea who he was, but he
started laying out like what like what has to happen.
And it was it was scary.
It was scary.
How Colonel Douglas McGregor?
Yes.
And I don't know.
It was, you know, we don't have to go into all of that.
But because it's kind of depressing.
But I think these these terrorists knew exactly what they were doing.
I think they knew exactly how Israel was going to respond and they were hoping that it causes
so much of a of a, you know, an outrage among Muslim countries in the world that for the
first time, Shia and Sunni and Shia Muslims put aside their differences and unite in a
cause.
I don't know if that's going to happen.
If that happens.
I don't know if that's going to happen, though, because the Palestinian people, as I listen
to this stuff, there are Muslim camps that you don't want the Palestinian people to write
Egypt.
Egypt doesn't want them.
Jordan doesn't want them.
Lebanon doesn't want them.
That's because nobody wants to touch the toxicity of Hamas.
I mean, and the rabble of Hamas has not been the leader for forever.
No, they haven't.
But they've been around.
They've been there.
They're there.
Quote unquote, elected now.
Well, they've got Dominion voting machines.
Hanging Chad's hanging Chad's.
That's how they got in.
I know it.
So you have that whole thing.
But then I also think, well, maybe they don't want that.
And they want the Palestinian people to be there in conflict just to create the conflict.
100%.
That's exactly right.
Even the son of the Hamas founder said they couldn't care less about the Palestinian people.
Their sole goal is to form the caliphate.
Is to bring the Muslim empire back to its grandiose existence.
And they can't do that unless the Muslim world unites.
And so they keep the Palestinian people in this hotbed of.
State of flux, right?
Yes.
Well, it's transferring over to the United States.
I mean, they've got these representations throughout the United States.
Yeah, what's up with all these colleges, man?
All these colleges, all these people are pro.
There are folks out there that are Muslims that are outright saying that they want to
take over the United States.
And they want to have Muslim religion in every household.
And we will, quote unquote.
They're going to force it.
So it's just.
That's their long game.
It's just not cool.
That's their long game.
But still, these these these these college uprisings, whatever you call them, ridiculous.
I mean, and they're not all Muslim.
These are the woke, well, this is what I know.
Younger crowd that is like and is I think these are the same people who.
Think men can be women, right?
The whole thing is the same group of folks who do this.
And I don't I don't understand the immediate attachment to Hamas.
Why support that?
Did you see what they did?
So they would say they don't support Hamas.
They are supporting Palestine and the Palestinians.
And Israel brought this on themselves because they occupied them and brutalized them.
What else do they have?
What choice do they have?
This is this is the only way that they can fight back.
They don't occupy them.
They said, here's Gaza.
This is where you live.
Absolutely.
They're not occupied.
No, they are not.
Here's your here's your country or whatever you want to call it.
And rule yourself.
And they elected Hamas to rule them.
This is what you get.
They did.
I know it.
It's crazy.
Anyway, but I don't understand.
I don't understand the even in the Hollywood, although they're starting to take this back
because they're starting to get shit is the pro Palestine slash Hamas support from Hollywood,
from these professors.
Professors aren't really backing down now.
But I don't understand the I don't know if it's a knee jerk reaction or what the reasoning
is to be anti-Semitic slash anti-Jew at this point.
I know it.
And it's an interesting dynamic because you're seeing the Jewish Jewish celebrities and Jewish,
you know, Jewish sports people.
I mean, they write they're the ones like calling them out and saying, why are you being pro
Palestinian on this deal?
Did you see what Hamas did?
Right.
I mean, and there are a lot of these people are liberal.
They're liberal Jewish people fighting liberal.
It's a very interesting dynamic.
They're eating themselves.
And I look back at like you pan is an exceptionally egregious one, right, who has said some really
bad things to professors there.
And I'm thinking, what about a lot of a lot of Jewish students go to these schools?
Sure.
That entire Jewish community, how do they feel when when they're walking the class and
they see this going on?
I've got to be furious.
Well, I'll be petrified as well.
Oh, yeah.
Not safe.
You're right.
And and I know there's a lot of big time donors starting to pull funds.
Yeah, that that's when it's going to hurt.
That's what it was in Harvard.
Harvard lost some major Harvard did.
There's going to take the sleeping giant needs to stand up.
And the Christian population needs to stand up and they need to pull a Bud Light.
And look, pull a Bud Light.
Well, you got Woody.
What is the name?
Wood, Woody Carlson said his name to the white man can't jump guy.
Woody Harrelson.
Woody Harrelson says he he had a meme put out where he's talking about, hey, look, the
only way you're going to be able to make change is that you have to stop using the people
that you want to change.
If there's someone out there that's doing something like Bud Light and you don't like
their promotion, you know, like their style, don't buy their products, hit them where it
hurts.
The money is where it hurts.
Correct.
And I think you're I think if these these big time donors continue to withhold their
money, their endowments is going to change in a hurry.
You'll see some changes.
It may take a little time.
There needs to be a huge overload, a huge change on the whole dynamics of the college
institutions period.
I mean, just the money being spent in there.
You know, football is fantastic.
I get it.
But you know what?
Why do I need to drop an additional 15 to 20 thousand dollars for my kid to go to school
there to support the football curriculum?
You know, so they can they can build that 30 million dollar stadium, 100 million dollar
stadium.
I'm sorry.
Keep going.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know.
Prosper.
I don't put in their budget a 95 million dollar stadium.
Prosper.
Correct.
Prosper.
You know, I just it's irresponsible to spend that money like that.
It's just like it's there's a trend that they've got these the it's the trend of dropping 130
billion dollars and sending it over to to Ukraine.
You know, what's what's what's stupid, though, is the school districts.
There's budgets and money that you you can assign like that.
Ninety five million dollars.
They can't spend that on teachers raises or anything.
Right.
It's earmarked for that.
It can only be spent for that.
Now, it's been voted on and everything.
But it gets all up in arms anyway, because you're like, well, blah, blah, blah.
We voted on it.
This 95 million I can't use for teachers.
I can't use for anything else.
It's for that.
By law, I have to use it for that.
Right.
So I can.
I don't spend 95.
It's an option.
It's obnoxious.
And I think that we need to kick him where it hurts.
And I think that's one of the programs we need.
If you want a football college, go to a football college.
I think when you start coming up with some of these colleges that focus on what we need,
I don't think we need all this other reason why they spend all that money on football.
And sports in general, because that's what brings money into the school.
Well, period.
Education is the main reason for the schools.
I get it.
But they're going to cater to what brings in money.
I don't know if tuition goes to fund the football team, because I watched the Johnny Manziel
documentary.
Yeah.
And that year that he did good, they had donations of $700 million, which paid for that stadium.
Yeah, no, no, no.
That's on top of tuition.
Yeah, tuition doesn't pay for the sports.
Sports pays for sports, and sports pays for other things.
Correct.
But tuition doesn't pay for anything.
Yeah, tuition pays for your new buildings, your teacher salaries in administration.
It doesn't pay for sports.
Right.
No, I mean, like I said, they're not stupid.
They know that if they attract, get a nice, fancy, shiny stadium, and they get a great
coach who makes $5 million a year, and they can recruit and build up a football program.
You've got these dumbass teachers.
I'm sorry, in the schools that are pushing dumbass agendas.
Oh, you're talking about like liberal and radical professors.
Oh my God.
I mean, like, yeah, they're a little too crazy.
Right here in Allen.
I can tell you right now it's not.
She's an elementary school teacher here in Allen ISD, and I just want to try to bring
more awareness for furries like myself.
Now, I have the most students in my class that have actually transitioned from a human
being to a human being.
And I'm not going to say that I'm not going to say that I'm not going to say that I'm
not going to say that I'm not going to say that I'm not going to say that I'm not going
to say that I'm not going to say that I'm not going to say that I'm not going to say
that I'm not going to think.
Did I think he would hear you?
household?
Jesus also, At residents, I think he completely was making fun of everybody that is doing
this kind of correct.
I thank God because it was over the top.
Why is he wasting our time?
That's a better question.
Well, he I think he's trying to make a statement for one thing that that that whole
Gender thing is a stupid
But that I have litter boxes in the class that for he so they could defecate
No, but that furry that furry thing is for real
Well, the furries are there are there are kids that are that are insisting on being treated like cats
Yes, it's a real thing. Yes
And so they are demanding that that a bowl of water be put on their desk so they can laugh out of it
It's a real thing. Yeah
And it's you know what it is
It's this we live in this desperate generation of attention like attention to like a crazy unhealthy level, right?
It's a fetish if you ask me it's
It's mental illness
You can call it that too. No, it's absolute mental illness and I'll tell you what Joe Rogan mentioned something on his podcast. He had a
He had something going on with his daughter where she wanted to be one of these little furry things
She wanted to identify as a wolf and he was like, alright
Let's go camping. So he took her out. He says alright, you're gonna spend the night out here
You're a wolf, right? Wolf. You're a wolf now go hunt for your food. He left her out there. I mean he's got what?
A thousand acres. I mean whatever but he left her out there fucking six hours later. She calls him up. I'm done
Please six hours. I would imagine whatever it's late
whatever but she but but my point by bringing that up is that he put her in that scenario and she changes she went home and
She got all her furry shit threw it out. I'm not a wolf anymore
Well, you know what everybody needs a wake-up call if they have mental illness man, so I don't know
Yeah, if you're a wolf live out here shit in the woods be in the woods and go catch your food and eat it raw
Yeah, well if you if you do that, I think I'm part wolf. Yeah, I'll absolutely support somebody
You want to live like that? You're not in the house anymore. Yeah, they're outside on chain. You don't have clothes. You're dude
Now the podcast got me in let me kind of weird though. You're I don't know how old his daughter is but they kind of weird
All right, well I'll tell you what I will share with you because I'm about to drink the whole god-blessed thing
Jeff you were talking about your travels went to a work function and
I hear your response about how drunk you got out there. You were did not I had some drinks
I did not get drunk right so the tequila was outstanding. We there's a rooftop bar. That was very nice
What was the weather like at the time?
I got the ocean blowing in got this not on the shirt. It's not on the like through your hair
Charlotteson he's not fabulous chest or Fabio Fabio his chest hair
Yeah, cuz my hair is so the one that's on a horse with the long hair and he's like all yeah, I'm wonderful
Look at me. I'll be a wife be it is Fabio
He's just never wife beat her on doesn't a wife beat her on his hair was all hanging out. Oh
Yes, no, so the trip was good. That's what the work trip was good and then two days later three days later
I turn around and I fly out to Lake Tahoe region to visit my dad right then I was out there for a week
Yeah, you're sending all these scenic. Oh look at the mountains in the background
I'm in heaven right check out this bottle of Old Forester. Yes, and there's a secret
And I drank one and I'm like, oh my god, I'm so drunk. I'm so drunk
Yes, and there's a secret. Mm-hmm. I drank one and there is a little little town that he lives in there's a
Liquor store slash wine store and I go and I went there last time. I didn't even know the place existed
he's been there for 15 years and
I went in there and I saw that
and
He only had one left
And anyway, the bourbon is what is a shun?
Old Forester single barrel barrel strength Nevada strong
This is a 63 point nine zero proof, I'm sorry alcohol content
127.8 proof
This is a solid solid bourbon
I'm enjoying the hell out of it. I was gonna slam it into another secret. No, that's you guys knowing but no you aren't
What what? Geez, that's not allowed
I
Yeah
You didn't like that answer but anyway I go in there and you know, he has he's it's not a it's not a big store
It's like an old house that he's he's converted over to a little little shop and at the same much place
we went to no, that was different that was a different place and
They had that and he had some
McKendree 10 years
McKenna yeah McKenna 10 year. Yeah, he wanted 100 bucks for that. I was like, oh my god pass for McKenna 10 year
Yeah, McKenna 10 year
55 is what we pay for it. It's 40 bucks
I turned around looked at him. He's like he just got a shrugged you do the bitch, please. Yeah, I kind of give that look and
And this old Forrester was was the net was the look with your neck on side you know, that's why we don't do video ladies, right?
So we had that he also had the Elijah Craig 18
Was it Elijah Craig 18 or knob Creek? I bet that's oaky as hell
Well, he even said cuz I asked when he wanted like 250 bucks or something like that for it. I was like he's like
Yeah, he goes the 15 years much much better. So he even kind of so he's tasted it. Yeah, he said well
That's a new bottle. He's had it before God
Yeah, yeah 18 years at the along, you know, maybe we dudes like us need to open up a bourbon store
Yeah, we could sell bourbon then when we get the the specialty purpose that come in we don't have to sell it
Yeah, get on that Sean start our bourbon store
Oh, we'll have a special little allocated area for our special stuff, right?
So this bottle I think normally is around 80 to 90 bucks
He wanted 100 bucks for it. So it wasn't marked up ridiculous. Hmm. I get it super solid
I have a joint a lot of it if it's hard to find I get why they're overcharged for it
I've never seen it. I've never seen it here locally
Or anywhere, right? So we don't I mean it's so rare
in fact that Mr.
producer couldn't find it on the internet and couldn't we usually it usually has like a little thing about the nose and the finish and the
End of this and the bad and it's ridiculous description of oh you feel butterscotch in the beginning and then you were all mint
Toasted baklava, yeah, it's ridiculous all the in there like we taste none of that we take bourbon, right?
No, but this is this is solid
There is a little bit of alcohol at the front right you could feel a little twinge on the time little ethanol II and then
Traditional bourbon flavors, I think right the Carmel's the butterscotch and stuff like that
It's got a little sweetness to it too. I would highly recommend that I would give it a
seven point eight I
Think it's around the eight eight and a quarter. Maybe right around the Elijah Craig Barrel proofs. I think hmm
It's very similar to those. What is the the pin?
What is the the pin wheel pin hook pin hook? Yeah that pin hook it doesn't
This is good
It's not eight and a half like I gave pin hook
It's definitely over seven. I would I thought this is solid eight. Yeah solid eight
This is a fantastic bottle of bourbon is a huge school. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I was very excited when I saw that
You never know when you because when we see these bottles we get excited you're kind of oh my god
We found a unicorn and but then we don't have any idea what it tastes like until we get back, right?
That's why I buy two have we ever had a unicorn where we're like, this is awful. Oh, yeah, you're Williamsburg
No, no, no, we've had ones that we've the blood oath
We had a blood oath that comes out once a year and it's semi hard to find
And we were when we tasted it. We were about we were very meh on that, right?
Yeah, it's rare that I mean when I say unicorn
It's one that we know it's hard to find and then we were disappointed. I mean, but there are plenty of bourbons
We just I would say they're every week and we go ahead and try it and it's not that great plantains
Really? You know what? That is a difficult bourbon to get it's desirable. But in my opinion, it's a fantastic
It's only any proof. It's 90. I believe yeah, it's a middle of the road
It's a middle of the road bourbon if you ask me, but it's very very hard to find
That's because it's been so hyped because John Wick drinks it and wick
I want to say whole you know, they they collect the little figurines correct the little monopoly
They do have higher proof versions of plans, which is even harder to find
Oh, yeah, forget that single barrel single barrel blantons. Good luck. They got several different versions. Yeah
so when you were out in the the
God bless it. Where were you Utah? No Tahoe Tahoe. Oh, you were actually in Lake Tahoe
We went we went over there. I wanted to get him over there. It had been since
2016 that he's been over there. You jump in the the old lake. No, no, I did not a little bit pretty chilly
You should have brought your your mask goggles goggles and dig up a sock at the bottom of a lake like you did
I thought I thought it was a a cucumber fish
It was low and I swam down there's I'm gonna get that I know it's like 10 feet down, but fucking I'm getting it
I don't know what it is. I touched it and I was like, yeah, it's a sock
Oh, dude, he brought it up and looked
sock
It was
I'm seeing a trend because when you went out to your mystery island with your metal detector
You're always looking for the for the for the unicorn under the ground or under the water, you know, I
Yeah, I enjoy
The hunt you said the guy that found this word about the big Roman sword
It's all like it had like stuff all stuck to it. I want to find some hidden booty
You know
We did a sock
Some guys sock. Yeah. Yeah, but it was like, you know, a very important person sock
You know what it could have been could have been Abraham Lincoln crusted sock Abraham Lincoln
They could have been down there for a hundred years. I
Had a Walmart brand on there
It had a Walmart brand on there
It had a bunch of nasty stuff on there. Anyways, yeah, I'm glad you had a good time
Yeah, but we did go I don't know if you remember the area
We went to where they had the
It was a flat hike and it was kind of over a swampy area bog type thing and then overlooked a river
And then the salmon were still running. Hmm. So there's a type of salmon that runs
I guess from Lake Tahoe up this river and they're all small and they're all jumping out
No, they're all bring out your Billy club and smack them on them and jumping out of the water
All these bears are all just jumping out of their mouths. There were a bunch of signs out that
Be warned. This is bear. See absolutely. They stand there in the fish jump into her mouth
They don't you have your anything. Do you have your bottle of spray bear spray?
I turned around and asked my dad's like did you bring your bear spray? He's like no, I probably should have
So we didn't see any so that was that was good. But the fish
The fish are were already red and they were at the end of their life. So they were not very active
They're in the water just kind of swimming waiting to die. They've already spawned laid their eggs and they're just pressing
Yeah
The purpose of their whole life is to swim upstream and to lay some eggs and then that's it
Let us die and there's dead ones on the side. They weren't there's most of them were still alive
But the older ones are tastier than the the younger ones after they turned red. I have no idea
So here's the I don't think so. I'll give you some of the dynamic
I'll give you some of my perspective based on my experience working in some of the seafood
restaurants like there was a
fuck
two thousand nineteen ninety
Nineteen ninety five ninety six seven somewhere in there. I worked at Humperdings in Los Calinas
All right Humperdings was like the Guinness Book of World Records Thomas bar and it was a high-end seafood restaurant and
the Dallas Cowboys used to venture there back in that time because they were they were winning a lot back then and
They had a contract set up for this Alaskan salmon
through a shipping company called Bruce Gore and
Bruce Gore shipping company so he would send the Copper River salmon to our restaurant
Huge Copper River salmon rich in color and one of the things I learned
I don't know what the deal is. Maybe had too much coffee. I didn't do drugs back then
So I was like, I don't know what the fuck about I retained this information about it
So the most flavorful fish that you get when it's salmon is you got to catch them before the end of their trip
Because the color is rich the Copper River salmon
They they've eat they get full of all the food and then they they start the making of the salmon
Food and then they they start the marathon boom right up the river
so the further they get along the river the more nutrients they
Yes, they lose so you want to eat them right at the beginning you want to crack them smack them and
Pull them out. But if you wait towards the end, I think they lose some of that luster. Well, they do
Because they don't eat there comes a point where they don't eat anymore
They start consuming themselves and what's interesting and I just looked it's the coconut salmon and they're small
They're probably a foot long. What's interesting and it not just happens to them, but they're
the salmon have like beaks on them and
They they start to curve if you ever noticed that Oh like an archituthis
Yeah
so the bottom one comes up and the and the and the beak of these salmon's curve as
They see like here. There's a fresh one right there interesting and as they turn red
They're like the bottom one gets really long. You see it right there
That's so that's what it turns into I wouldn't eat that thing
Yeah, I would so their whole face distorts a little Tabasco their body kind of distorts and turns red like that
So racha so and when they turn like this or there that's near the end, huh?
Interesting. Yeah, so the plural of salmon is salmon salmon's
With an S or is it plural like deer deers the Sal mean?
No, seriously, what is the front door? What is the plural?
Salmon's
No
Fucking idiots
Tell us sue. What is the plural of salmon?
Do you know survey says I have no idea and seeing the picture of those red salmon. I never want to eat it again
We don't eat the best salmon. Yes
Plural of salmon let us hear it. Let's hear it
Salmon is word hippo plural form of salmon is salmon. Yeah, correct
Yeah, that's what I said. Yeah, do the sound bite
Does it work salmon salmon salmon
Salmon salmon
I bugged my wife. I'll go to go to a restaurant. I was like, I'm gonna give me some salmons. Salmon. It's like it's that's salmon
And I hate you, that's my life
I think you there's a lot of people who miss mispronounced that
Well, I'm glad you made it back safe
I'm super happy you got to see your dad like most dudes like us out there. Our parents are getting older
And you know, you never know when you're gonna see somebody again, right and we had a dear
Dear friend that just passed away
and it like yes day before yesterday
It's crazy in our neighborhood
It was Monday, right? Yes. So this this gentleman
I'll say it fuck it Tom Hermes
Tom Hermes just passed away and you know, he was he was big into the church
Fantastic guy. He was a teacher. He was a great guy
He was a teacher. He retired from being a teacher and he worked for the state of Kansas
proofing websites for them for the state of Kansas kind of crazy gig
So basically they would send him links. Hey, does everything work? Check it out. And that's what he did
So he was he would dip another reason why I tell people out there don't fucking dip. Great. It's cancerous
It's stupid. So he would dip and you know, he loved it
It was this thing that he got cancer and it started off in his ear
Well eight half his face away. No half. Ultimately, it did a big chunk of it
Ultimately it did and you know and and look I I feel bad for
Obviously his experience because it was it's got to suck
You know getting cancer sucks period right? But you know, he got some chemo
He got a bunch of it ripped out surgical surgery dropped a lot of money and
You know what? What's your life? You want to you know, spare no expense
I want to live it but he got mad because it fucking came back and he was like fuck it and he gave up
Hmm, he gave up and that was that was four years ago five years ago
He's been fighting it for that long. So yeah, and he literally and I and I tried I
You know, he and I used to hang out a lot
I mean all the time we would every day we'd go do something because I was a contractor at that time
So I would pick him up and he'd go with me some of my jobs and he would work with me on it
I'd pay him and
So we hung out a lot and then when I started working for the company I currently work for that all stopped and
I it's not like I didn't want to hang out with him. I just I had a real job and I couldn't circumstances
So, you know, we kind of had that separation
and you know dudes like us out there you got to you got to
Take advantage of those friends out there and recognize them and talk with them
And you know, he he ultimately ended up passing away of all things. He couldn't eat solid food
and
He tried eating from what I understood some potatoes or something like that and it didn't go out quite right
It didn't go down quite
Quite right with the fuck man and um, it's good. He ended up choking and he got
Exfixiated and he's by himself, right? No, he had someone there. Oh, he had so he literally choked to death
I believe so
You know, I don't I'm not a hundred percent that that's the truth. I'm 99%
That's the truth because someone told me that was there said that's what happened
But I don't know if that's privileged information or not, but
None of that happened
It's really sad because it's it's another
It's it's another game in life when you're dealing with insurances
You know it crosses all both sides of the aisle
You know when you have to lean on your insurance to take care of stuff
It's all about money. If you want to live you got to pay
Well, yeah, that's it. That's the bottom line
You want you want to get that you need this fixed
You got to pay you just got to pay if you don't have money fuck it
Get the back of the line, you know, there are I think I think they're you know
I don't know if it's a benefit, but what is a benefit but I look at the military folks, right?
Like your dad Sean
My wife's dad go to the vet and it's quote unquote free health care, right?
And the VA at the VA right now you're dealing with the VA right?
You have to deal with their timeline and their schedules
It's not the bullshit you have to go through but top quality, but right if you need surgery you get surgery
Yeah, and it's not gonna cost you anything
Like for instance, my brother-in-law who's retired Colonel from the Air Force. He just
Yesterday morning head is hip replaced
and
I guess the vet free whole nine yards, you know, yeah, but
He paid for that with the vet free
but he paid for that with his life in the military, right you know what and I
I totally agree with that as a matter of fact, I would I wish I'm thankful is free for all vets
I wish you a better better better quality, right? Correct. It's just a look. I gotta disagree with that
I think that you're mislabeling the VA clinic cuz my dad he's already oh meaning it's better quality than I'm
Yeah, okay. Yeah, because my dad yeah, there are some areas of concern
Sure, you know looking at the big picture. There are areas concern, but I think the I
Think most of it my dad has not complained cuz he will complain right when he's got an ailment
He goes and gets it fixed. Yeah, sure, you know in in he's on top of shit. He's he's
I've never heard him complain about the the quality of the doctors there because he calls him out
I mean, I guess if you're passive the only thing I've heard is the bureaucracy on the red tape and I have no experience
I've just seen the news stories, right? So, you know someone's you know, the VA bureaucracy and the red tape of someone having to get
To see a doctor to get the medication
Whatever the nine yards right fighting some illness and it took eight months to see him right and maybe there's better VA's than others
I think that's true. Right. That's true, too
I I don't know I based on what my dad said in his experience because that was a very specific question
I asked him about the VA and his experience with it. He is he hasn't had a real big problem
You know, he thinks that they're idiots sometimes right?
And they'll know cuz they you know, you go to a general practitioner and you got it like all right
Let's size up. What's going on. Let's put you in the right direction and boom sends you off
Some of those guys are stupid and
Based on what my dad said, you know
It's like why you said to me here and it's like I don't know and everyone's looking at each other like they're
freaking idiots
Yeah, they're some of that's going on
But as far as like the the quality when you actually go in there for a procedure they got top-notch doctors that are doing their shit
That's good. They've earned it. Yeah, they definitely have it. It's the like Jeff said it's the red tape
it's the the I don't know if it's the bureaucracy of
Getting a procedure done and the authority extended to getting the procedure done
I think it's anything that is run by the government is poorly run. Correct. I mean, that's the way I
Have to say I agree with that totally. Yeah. No, I mean seriously
I mean any problem they try to solve they they go about it in a very inefficient bloated
You know
In an ineffective way. Hey, what let's do a hard
Quick hard 90 here. We've got we've got some guests here that are we got in and sue and
They're just there's the sitting in yeah, they're observing they're observing and no longer. They're going to be active
interested in starting something new and
I'm gonna put you on the spot for a second to see if you can't just walk us through your business plan of
What the podcast is gonna be about ish
Great, thanks, Anne
Well, you know, just yourself before Sue starts because I you need to start getting used to talking. I mean now is the time
You
Yeah, if you guys gonna start a podcast you've got to be assertive, yeah, I'm Anne
I'm a Sagittarius
But our topic is so vastly different in your actually vastly different but it's a great noble cause
Yeah, that's kind of the spirit of what I want you to talk about
So Sue and I met through grief. We've both lost a child both in college
both due to tragic unforeseen circumstances and
Our experience through that has bonded us as lifeline lifetime
companions great
Our experience is the first year lots of support lots of understanding lots of lift love and
Just complete support
second year
They are still there third year. They start to wane off
fourth and on you're supposed to be healed here supposed to be on your feet
You're supposed to rebound to what you once were
They want the old you back. There is
limited support and understanding
Almost everyone family especially family especially they're just there completely and I get it from their perspective
And the fact that they want us the way we were right, right
Well, I also think that people think you go through the stages of grief
And we should be through those stages. They don't understand that grief is actually a journey a lifetime journey and
It doesn't go away Carly's my daughter was
Killed four years ago, and it doesn't get better. I'm I'm not
Over it. I'm not going to be over it
And I think one of the issues that and I talk about all the time is there's so much support
For people in the first couple years of grief, but then there's nothing
And I think society or people think we should be over it and we're not and there's a big gap
There's a missing market for people in our situation that we still are on this journey, but there's no
No support out there. Yeah, so you feel left behind correct. Everybody else has moved on
They want things to be normal again, right?
It'd be much easier for them if things were back to the way they were sure it'd be much easier for us
You don't expect an amputee that has no
Artificial limb to be able to use both hands if they've lost a hand right
But they expect us to still be able to pick up go on and be once we would what we once were sure
So is this an effort to create sort of a podcast of?
Group therapy so to speak to talk about your experiences
I think it's twofold actually because I think one society in general
Could learn a lot from our podcast and learn about grief that it doesn't end in no way
five grief steps and it does it is a journey it does go on and
This is how we feel in our grief, but I also think it's for
Moms who are in year five year six year seven and there is no support and and what am I feeling is that normal?
Do other parents feel that way and talk about those kind of issues that that?
Okay, I'm not alone out there in my thoughts
There are other people out there that feel the same way. I do and you're not like
You don't have to have this feeling like you're taking too long to heal or
Everybody's expecting you to be over this by now. What's wrong with me? Why am I not over this?
Right, you know in that and that's that's normal to not be over that correct
You want to get that message out that you know what it's okay
It takes as long as it takes exactly and that you guys are you know, you might be voices of support exactly
That's what we're hoping that it's also for the family
It's for the extended family the extended friendships. It's for all of them to listen and go and oh
So it's not just my daughter my sister
My niece who is not over this it's this is normal. This is what's going on
It's very easy to be able to judge someone unless you've walked in their shoes sure and we all do it
Don't misunderstand. I was that pious person that thought this will never happen to me
This is not me. This is not my situation and why aren't they over said thing?
Why are they dwelling? Where are they where they're at? Sure. I think it's one of those you don't know
You've experienced it. Unfortunately, so now you know and you want to
Help those who were in your shoes. You're like, that's not me. That's never gonna happen
So you want them to understand as well? Correct. Exactly the relatability, right?
Yeah, it's great
I mean and that's not I mean you guys are courageous because that's not easy to talk about right?
No, but it's so needed. It's so needed and that's what is what drives you
That's that's exactly why we're moving forward with this because it's a
Market that is not out there right now and it needs to be out there. Sure. Sure. Now how I mean
I there's got to be some support organizations that you do know of that you could pitch
Pitch to with with a podcast or or how is it too loosely?
Not a lot of organizations out there. What do you think?
I think there are a ton of organizations out there
But again, it's for the first two to three years and there's nothing beyond that. There's nothing
People just tend to think you should be moved on or over it or
So there is if there isn't anything past the first couple years
Gotcha. So and unfortunately the organizations that we've been working with
It's all about the tragedy of how your child's died
And so you go to these support groups and it's oh, thank god. That's not me
Well, at least that wasn't my circumstance at least this at least that and it's it's
Their way of coping what they're going through which I fully understand, but it's also
It's a comparative competitive thing rather than just understanding which is just whole
Well, so it's not guided necessarily by a therapist or by somebody that's guiding you through it
And I agree with you, but I think the real issue is that
Grief beyond the second year is different and it looks different
It smells different tastes different and there's nothing out there for those people
So yeah, right. We're trying to use a podcast to fill that gap for those
Parents that are in the same situation
Cast to fill that gap for those parents that are in year three four or five six ongoing care, correct
I think it's like the pulse is very noble. That's a great idea
Because you know, I'm kind of like where you were it's like I haven't experienced that I never thought about that before
You know, what's it like five years after you know, you got it. You got it empty is a void
Right holidays come by you're going you got you got Christmas stockings. You're pulling out of the attic and you're you're putting them on the
The mantle and the reminders never go away. Yeah, still can't do it
No still have never put up a Christmas stocking. It's it's tough
I mean, I I couldn't fathom losing one of my kids
I couldn't fathom and that's why we're unrelatable and I get it. I'm not faulting anybody that we're unrelatable
But that's also why people don't want to talk about it. Listen to it hear about it
Because it's like that's too painful. It's too real. They also don't I'm just projecting here
They probably also don't know how to solve it right? So they but there's actually no solve right?
But but nothing frustrates humans more than having a problem that they can't solve
Agreed and so they feel like probably as a support team. They want to help you solve it, correct?
And it's not solvable. It is right and so they get frustrated. I mean, I'm just no
You probably have run into I mean I would imagine it's different flavors of how different people support and how you know
How they handle it and stuff like that, but I would imagine some people like okay
I can't I can't do any more than I've done to try to solve this problem
So I don't I'm just gonna withdraw right? I think that's huge ball
Yes, I think a lot of people feel that way and what people don't understand is just just be with us where we're at
I mean every day is different for us. There are days that I'm fine. I laugh. I'm happy
I'm having a great day and there are days that something happens and I'm bawling my eyes out in my room. So
Every day is different and meet us where we're at during in that day or during that time. So
Right. Is this a meanwhile? Everybody else's lives go on correct? Yes, and that's hard to watch too
Yeah, and you're stuck you're spinning because we're stuck. Yep. Okay, so is there
So I've got two questions
First of all, does it affect your relationship with your your spouse? A hundred percent for me. Yes
We've grown closer we it was fight-or-flight mode and so we fought together
We've we've grown as close as we possibly could we survived the worst of hell and we made it through the other side
But that is a conscious decision and it's a fight. It's
My brother my husband lost two of his brothers
both at the age both in their teens and
The one piece of advice that his father gave us was never blame each other never blame
and it's very easy to look at
Myself and blame myself like well, why didn't I do this? Why did I allow him to go to that university?
He had choices, you know, surely if he would have gone to
A different university which he had scholarships to he wouldn't this would not have happened
Yep, if you were closer second guess everything correct and it's it's the way it's a coping
It's a processing of the grief and the death and things like that
so for us, we're fortunate, but it is a
It's a very very
Tough thing. Yeah, because everybody deals with grief differently, correct, right and men in general
I mean, I'm not I mean man in general we we we just stuff it down
We'll try to lock it away
Yeah
We lock it away pretend like it doesn't exist and move on and that probably doesn't women and men are different the way
Believe it or not. I mean we we are different the way we think and guys are able to do things
Yeah, we handle things differently one of the grief processes that we went through was my therapist had said he needs to tell his story
Three times to three different parties to three different family members three different people that are entrusted
and it was
Extremely eye-opening to hear his story sure how it impacted him
No, just the days the events the whatever. Oh, I see because
I was the one on the phone with the er doctor. I was the one
You know, he's getting me he's booking the flight and all of a sudden they're like no, you don't get it
You both need to be here now
And i'm like otherwise you'll feel like you're shouldering all of it
Well, no, I would I thought he was gonna wake up from the coma. I thought that there was no chance
I didn't realize because they cannot proclaim someone brain dead for 72 hours
Oh, I see. I thought okay. He's super smart. He's gonna lose supreme brain cells
He's gonna get reamed out by me when he wakes up don't misunderstand
But all is gonna be well because that has been our life. All has always been well, right?
So it's the denial it's and so to hear his perspective that first the phone call the middle of the morning five in the morning
He thought it was about my mom because my mom had been ill and he's like wait
It's our son and then just the processing of all of the things that he went through
Vastly different than my experience same room same child same everything
Different perspectives sure they wanted him to sign the death certificate
He was physically incapable and collapsed and couldn't get off the hospital floor in the hallway
And they're like, I'm sorry. It's been hours. Do you mind signing it? I'm like give me the damn thing here
Just let us you know
So different experiences same child, but that was his way of
Different experiences same child, but that was his way and it forced him to
Address his feelings because he had to share what he felt. Yeah versus stuff stuff stuff. Yeah, man. I don't do that very well
Right. That is absolutely
stunning
It's yeah, it's yeah, we we could not relate no way
And we don't want you to right but nor can we be fixed because there's not a fix the biggest thing is and it's a very
graphic picture that's so wonderful is you can go to the poo and
Piglet one or whatever they're sitting in the puddle and they're like, how you know, are you feeling blue?
How can I help you or whatever and it's like just sit with me, right?
I won't always be in this big deep ditch. I can't I can't live in a ditch because it's there's no food. There's no water
There's no sunlight. Sure be with me
I will crawl out of it never gonna be the same person right?
But be with me and understand where I'm at because I don't understand where I'm at
Yeah, and you talk about all over the place
I could be happy in one minute in the very next minute yelling and it could be for nothing
Sure, it depends on the stage of grief and where you're at how many days how many months how many years?
Is your are your parents still alive? My father is
Your mother passed away. She passed six months and two days after my son
So do you have the the same are the when you what i'm trying to draw that is that the loss of your mother versus the loss of your son?
They're different completely you are supposed to outlive your parents, right?
Yep, that was an expected passing if you will it's not unknown not unexpected not out of order
Right still painful. Um, yeah, but still but my mom got married. My mom had children
My mom had a career. My mom had a house my son
Rick died as a junior in college at the height of his life. He's still formulating. So you're the
To move the the podcast and start
labeling this
You are you guys going to talk about your experiences? Are you going to have?
Your guests that have similar experiences a way for them to to vent
And and share absolutely so the community so that people can say. All right. Well, this is this is the reality
This is everybody's reality normalizing it. Yes. Yeah, not being afraid to talk about the things that
It could be anything from intimacy
I mean, I truly remember the first time trying to be intimate with my husband going okay. My son's dead
He's all knowing he's in heaven. He sees all uh-uh. We're not doing that
That's a female you say that is a female's perspective, right? So i'm banging my grandparents are watching
Yeah, that's no welcome to my thoughts. We have welcome to my thought we have several hundred
A hundred hundreds of they're just staring at you paul. They're all they're all around the cards. They've got scorecards
They're like he's doing everything. No, no, he's doing it all wrong. They're like
Doing it wrong poor. Shelly. What's she doing? Paul? Get your ass a little higher, please
A little higher. These are the bizarre things that you that's the wrong hole. Come on
Oh, come on wow this podcast
Thank you. We have a red card. I'll red card myself on that one. Yes. Yes
All right. Well, you know, uh, okay, what was your second question?
There's nothing off limits. I'd rather talk about it all and have it know so uh,
The what was the first question? It was how did it affect my our relationship with our spouse?
The the second one was was the comparison. So it was uh, did it affect your relationship and uh,
And then the second one was the comparison the variance between losing a loved one like a parent versus a child and yes
You've nailed it. You basically said, you know, you you gave birth to that thing. It's right. You know, it's what could have been
Well, right exactly and i'm on a daily basis
I tell my daughter how sorry I am that she only made it for 19 years that she has missed so many experiences out of life
And that's a whole nother part of grief is feeling bad that she didn't get to live longer
She didn't get to get married. She didn't get to have children of her own
Yeah, and that's a whole nother sec a part of grief that it needs to be talked about as well
So sure the what could have been
As it comes there comes a point where?
You got to start
Retraining your brain
to
To work through this stuff. Absolutely. So i'm assuming you're gonna have
The those training exercises. I don't even know how the hell you would do that
Well, there's such a don't think about it. Don't think about it. Don't think about it. How crazy is that?
And look i'm gonna i'm gonna go off on a different my wife has agoraphobia
Don't think about it. Don't think about it. That's the kind of stuff i'm kind of correlating to
I try to get her to not think about things
That is crazy
No, and I couldn't imagine telling you guys not to think about that because I kind of even thinking about losing my son
Over there, I would fucking go ape shit
I just again
You can't you
Unrelatable it. Yeah, you you my daughter is on my mind every day all day and she's not on the earth
But I think about her all the time
So instead of not thinking about it you think of what you are grateful that you did have
I had 20 years with him. I had the experience I had that's
I and if I i've told sue this many times if I had his life in a nutshell
It's a flippin fabulous life. He traveled most the world. He was happy
He he went out on the high he never knew the pain that we're inflicted upon
Not that he did that to us, but that we're going through because of their death
um
He he had an incredible life
And so if I can focus on the positives of what I do have of the memories
I have of what I do have currently whether it's
I don't like for food. I don't like for shelter. I don't like for much
I I miss that I miss that relationship. Um things like that but
It at some point in time people that have grieved for longer have said it doesn't help you
It doesn't help you to focus on how much pain you're in you never come out of it going
I feel so good that i've focused on that so you try you pull yourself out quicker and quicker. Yeah
Yeah
But you can't be pulled out. You have to play. Yeah, and it's all about creating a new you right?
The old you is gone. So you're learning life all over again
And and you want it to be a happy new you like somebody who enjoys joys life
So i'm gonna i'm gonna compare this to my my wife's issues, which is completely different and I apologize
For even remotely sounding condescending comparing this
But when she would have some of her panic attacks because of her stuff that she's got going on
it was about
Reprogramming your brain, right? So when you get the stimuli of you thinking about your child passing, you know, I I compared it
To my wife saying when you get this stimuli you need to think
You need to trigger yourself to change directions and think about something else
is that part of
What you guys are being coached on how to handle it?
So I can tell you you cannot live without that because you need distractions
Constantly to get through the pain because when you a lot of times even though I had a great
Memories with my daughter. It's very painful that she's not with me
So when I start to think about her
And I i'm not ready to be in that grieving situation
I need to distract myself to move on to move forward. Otherwise, it would be very difficult
so that that's kind of what i'm driving at moving on part is I think that some of the
I think
Maybe it you don't want to let go
No, you can't can you let go of your child? Can you never talk to your child again for the rest of your life?
Again, i'm on the outside and i'm just posing these things because you know, you've got these movies
You know you got like you got tom cruise when he loses goose and he goes out to the edge of the
the the the the the ship and he's got his dog tags and he throws them and he's like
Oh, I gotta let go of this this that's kind of what i'm driving at there comes at a point where
You got to make an emotional stand for yourself so that you can survive
And that's the process of learning your new self is how do you survive now with a dead child?
That's a whole process and that does not it doesn't happen in a couple years that that's the journey
We're on it's a long journey to figure out your life now
So where you're at today in 10 years will be something different correct. Yes, right
So do you you have other children? I do. Yes. How has that impacted your relationship with them?
Has it?
um
I think for me i'm more scared that they're gonna die also. Are you more protective?
We're not letting them do things
There are young adults. I don't have the
Key ability to do that. But yes, i'm terrified now when they go out because I know now that you can die
And i'm terrified that they will die. So yes, it's an extra level of worry
Correct an incredible extra level of worry. I mean
Again, you know my condolences
To all those folks out there that lose people that are close to them, especially their own children
it's just
You nobody can fathom nobody can go I mean it's just you know hats off to you
If there's anything we can do to help, um
With this i'd like to I mean, I kind of feel bad because we're sitting here drinking and
That's life. You should you should live life. You should we should be around life
We want to be around happiness and joy and we want to yeah
But there's like honestly sue when you when you show up some of these events
uh, I I kind of purposely kind of I feel like I tone it down a little bit because i'm kind of like
I don't want her to think that this is just a crazy even though we're fucking idiots, you know, but
And we are we are we are
I I want to be so respectful to you, you know, because I I get it
And we're not that you know, it just we're we are not those people that are going to jump in a car
And and drive like that. It's just everyone's got a story. So i'm excited about you guys creating a platform where people can share their story
And create a group and I think we can do even want to use this studio you can
Yeah, I think your your your podcast is drastically different than ours. You're you're I think trying to help people where we're just
Well, you see what we're doing. We are relating you're relating to people. There is a there's a audience for everything
Yes, absolutely is I think what we try to do with our podcast is provide escapism, right?
You guys have heard of escapism. Yes, that's where we actually live in a
172 episodes you can get lost in those
Yeah, so I mean, you know, somebody's had a crappy day, you know, they're they're working like crazy
They can they can listen to our podcast and they can just shake their heads at how these three guys are totally stupid
I have no idea what they're talking about, but we're funny on occasion and we're you know, sometimes saying, you know hot topics
you know hot hot sports opinions about things and and they can
Talk to the radio or whatever they're listening to and go no, I don't think you know, I mean it's escapism
It's to think about something different than what you're normally, you know mired down in looks like what we'd like to do in the evening
You know my wife and I all sit down and watch tv just
Total is like out. That's right. And then all of a sudden they start throwing politics and other shows and it pulls you back in so
Yep. So one thing one thing. Um, I think you guys might have a challenge with
Uh, at least just me trying to think about how you structure your podcast. I mean so
What you know, you'll have to think about
It has to be very structured because you you want them to take away something
If it's a help type of thing ours is just
Ours is just idiocracy and laughs. Yeah, you want to take away things
I think one thing you'll need to do is we go for about an hour and 10 minutes
I would probably limit yours to nothing over half an hour agreed right and be very targeted, right?
Yes, we have we have topics that we have already listed that we want to discuss. Perfect. So, okay
Okay, I think I think a podcast where it's that
uh
Pinpointed I think a good half hour on a topic or two or whatever it is
We're a lot more intense. Let's just
Well, but could you listen to an hour and 10 minutes, right? No, you're almost holding your breath even talking about it, right? So it's like
Yeah, the best part is is you're already ahead of you. Yeah. Yeah, you guys are like, oh my god. Can we go now?
Thank you
Yeah, cool. Anyway, we're excited for you and and we'll support you. However, you know, uh,
However, we can in terms of getting you set up and answer questions about stuff really appreciate. Yeah. Thank you very much
We appreciate that. Yeah, sure sure
So with that being said, uh, we've got more topics to talk about. Uh, we're gonna talk about how much time we have producer
Seven minutes seven minutes. Yeah, we could talk about my
Suffer through the whole podcast over the first part of it you made it
So next seven minutes you guys have to actually engage in what we're talking about we're gonna talk about madonna
Did I hear that right? Madonna. First of all, how old is madonna? She's in her 60s mid 60s in her 70s
And she's dressing like a 17 year old I think right? Well, I think I think but props to her. She looks great. I mean
For the age no look at her that like right there. Yeah, no, she's 65
She has got some crazy shit going on somewhere in there is real skin. Yeah
Well, she was I mean look at her back in the day. She looks like a fucking grapefruit. That's been
Pumpkin, she's like she's very stretched lots of fillers
You know, it's the sad part about that we see that so often when aging, you know aging women aging men too
right there's men and women and they why
Why why can't they just be comfortable in their skin and and not try to reclaim the glory of Hollywood when they were at?
Their peak and I don't understand. She's got these butt in uh, implants. Have you ever seen the pictures? No
Seriously, I don't yes. Uh there it's like she's wearing a chair. Oh my god, like these cushions that are on like
Whatever. I mean, I just want to hear her sing. I don't care about all the she's still touring. Is she not?
She just started another tour. So I'd be curious if she's got her fair real tour
So pull up that one word ahead the timeline scroll scroll down
That had a different years
Uh, keep going right there
Okay, here we go. 82 85 96
We have any audio on that that's the madonna only fans that's a video wow so 64
Seriously no one even commented on that. I thought it was funny
All right, it's 82 85 96 2016 and 20 so basically almost every
I mean, she's cute. She's just an idiot
She's not cute anymore. She she's I don't know what she's done to her face. Well, she
She had
She was cute. She had like 15 000 bangladesh boy
Uh, his foreskins injected in her face. No, that's the thing
That is a real thing that you know what we thought he was crazy sandra bullock that's apparently a real thing
Yeah, but we don't have to talk about it. It's gross. No, no, let's let's let's open this can of worms
Let's open this are we injecting bangladesh you boys foreskin? Yeah
Seriously, yes. Yes. Yeah, but not necessarily bangladesh, but just mostly, you know foreign foreign
Children's what what does that do for one's body? Evidently it's supposed to
Right anti-aging or something. It's anti-injected not even just rubbing them on or something like a restoration
It's restoration
It's a way of mitigating the cellular
Dk, I guess I don't know they just inject themselves with the thing. Here we go
Here it was it was sandra bullock and the oddest thing it was
Stem cells that are pulling from foreskin the force in tissue is collected during circumcision in the sem
the stem cells in the growth factors present in the tissue are extracted and processed into a cream and
Shot all over the face topically. Oh god
What so ellen degeneris called out sandra bullock on her show and she did?
She did see if you can pull up the the sandra bullock. What is that bitch's name ellen degeneris?
Hold on sandra and ellen to be real here and in face. So what these celebrities are doing are buying
exceptionally expensive creams from somebody that told them oh you got to use this for your face is great
They probably don't even know what's in it
And if they do sandra bullock does if they do if they're told what's in it, which is stem cells from foreskins
They're gonna be like she didn't say stem cells. She said it was chunky foreskin. Oh god. I don't know
She didn't say chunky, but okay, but I didn't find any of you arguing when it was semen. I'm just gonna say
Well, that's natural
And that is good for the skin. Yeah
It's generally women's skin not men's skin. Oh
No, I don't godly I don't use that no
No, but women should no, but but center bullock and ellen we want to pull up the uh, there it is
There it is. This podcast got weird. All right, see if we can't pull up. I don't know if we have sound though
All right. Well there she is sitting with uh ellen degeneracy
She's getting very uncomfortable and blushing and obviously she's talking about foreskins on her face. She does look great though. She does
I gotta argue with that right now. You can't
So the title of this is center bullock got a penis facial. Yeah
Come on. She's that's a bit much but that got people to watch
There you go. I got shy to watch because he found it
First of all, I I really I I think sander bullock was super attractive. I think she's
a rock star in uh, I might be
but
Uh it that changed after I saw this interview because i'm kind of like how shallow
Can you be to have to go through those types of those legs? It's just a cream that their their specialty
Skin doctor gave to them. So you're you're you're supporting this. I am I think foreskins should be uh,
Okay, i'm not gonna appreciate that
anyway
Yeah, I you know what's the sadder part of this again is the whole chasing. What is it chasing the the youth?
Yeah, the founder of youth. Thank you exactly what I was looking for
Well, honestly to put a different spin on it
I think if you're a hollywood actress, especially someone like sander bullock that you have pressure to look young
You do sure look fantastic. Otherwise, they're not going to put you in the next speed for correct
Well, you know what can you imagine all the pressure she lives under to look young and beautiful
Well, we've had that look what she's up against right? Well 20 year olds that are
Well, we've had that discussion and actually one of her last movies
She looked terrible
She was older no makeup
Uh, she was an ex-prisoner
And she looked terrible
Oh in a role that was meant for
Yeah, it was just yeah, she didn't look young. She didn't look hot or anything like that
And I don't think she had any prosthetics or anything. It was just
You know, i'm sure that she has a makeup on to make her look good for her. I mean, I mean, you know, she's playing a role
Then she's yeah. What do you got here? A piece of skin?
Uh that came from a young person
Um far far away and they somehow figured out how to extract it's four skin from a korean baby
Wow, yeah, but she was called out it's just stem cells
Whatever you know what?
You're legitimizing it
Okay, yeah, I I apologize
So what do you want them to do with the foreskin later? I mean are they supposed to save it and preserve it?
I mean, they're not they're not using it for anything. So they're just extracting this down
Now if you want to like, you know, if you want to like feel paralysis or something like that
That's the way I'm gonna roll because I take a dump every morning
You want to try to if there was something to make me look youthful in your dump?
There's a chance that it could be sold. That's all i'm gonna say there's a chance. There's a market for well
I mean, it's no different than uh, what do you call it?
The umbilical cord blood there you go. There you go. Well people also eat the placenta. Oh, yeah, that's a whole lot of
Well, I mean that that's going on here
Well, that has been a practice for like hundreds and hundreds of years because it is
Incredibly nutritious for the mother who just who just gave birth to herself. You put that like
Like on a nacho. Yes, it's like supposedly it's a part of her
She's not eating herself. Well sure it is it came out of her. Oh my god, maybe it was attached to her
Wow, maybe mix it in a nice fettuccine alfredo
Sprinkle it on juliana
Yeah, well spritz a little bit. Okay pizza or paté anyway back to madonna back
Well, hold on let's talk about uh trap, uh, not trap. Yeah, travis kelsey and uh, and taylor swifts
We'll do that on our second half for the second half
That's the music all kinds of stuff. Look, uh, it's a little convoluted here, but you know what? I I enjoyed the podcast
It was a great one
um
We got the second half that's about to pop open. We've got a brand new bottle of bourbon. We're gonna bring it in and uh,
We got lined up. We got a whole list of shit. We never even talked about
Which is pretty typical. Thank you. Mr. Producer. Thank you our guest sue. Thank you
Thank you for having us. I don't know if this is squashing your dreams of a podcast or making you more excited about a podcast
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