1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,960 Welcome to our podcast, The Why in the 20s. 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:09,960 My name is Viv. 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:10,960 And I'm Nat. 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:16,280 We are two counselors in our mid-20s navigating our adulthood away from our home country, 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:22,920 exploring the why questions we encounter relating to relationships, identities, and uncertainties. 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,720 So whether you're listening to our podcast while going for your walk or doing the chores, 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,720 welcome on board and let the journey begin. 8 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:38,720 Alrighty! 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,720 Welcome back to another episode of The Why in your 20s! 10 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:43,720 Woohoo! 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:44,720 Yay! 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:52,720 I'm very excited of this episode because we are very interested in this topic and we 13 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,720 can foresee it will be a very interesting episode. 14 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:01,720 It's a very different pace of talking about death and all that. 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,720 This is a lighter conversation. 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,720 I think it's very interesting. 17 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,720 I'm very excited. 18 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,720 You can tell from the opening how enthusiastic we are. 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,720 We are so keen. 20 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:14,720 Woohoo! 21 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,720 Anyway, I hope all the audience are well. 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,720 Just checking in with you guys. 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,720 And welcome back to another episode. 24 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:23,720 Yeah! 25 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,720 We're very excited because what are we doing today? 26 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:28,720 Drum roll! 27 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,720 Drum roll! 28 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,720 Personality test! 29 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:33,720 Woohoo! 30 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:38,720 I think it's just because we're very excited and the audience will be very confused why 31 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,720 we are so excited for this topic. 32 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:48,720 To be honest, I'm not excited about the personality test itself, but more about how we're doing it. 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:49,720 Yeah. 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:55,720 Today, as reference, we are doing the 16 personalities that you can find online. 35 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:01,720 Just put it up front that we both are no experts in personality psychology. 36 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,720 Our knowledge is very minimal. 37 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,720 It's just based on our understanding. 38 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:11,720 And if you want to know more, there's heaps of research on the website that you can go further deep down. 39 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:18,720 And another thing that I would like to point out is the 16 personalities is not the same as the MBTI. 40 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,720 The MBTI is more comprehensive, would you say so? 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,720 And of course, you have to pay for it because it's done a lot of research around that. 42 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:33,720 And the reliability and validity is higher than other free personality tests that are available online. 43 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:40,720 But that's also a strength of what the personality test that we're doing today because it's free that everyone can access to it. 44 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,720 So yeah, let's get started, shall we? 45 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:44,720 Yeah. 46 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,720 So just before we really get started. 47 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,720 So the idea today is we're doing a personality test for ourselves. 48 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:57,720 So determine our own personality as well as we're doing it for each other as well. 49 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,720 So I did the personality test based on how I think Nat will respond. 50 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,720 And then she did the same for me as well. 51 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:09,720 So kind of like a twist of the way we do personality tests. 52 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:14,720 And I'm very excited to see how different or how similar it is. 53 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:19,720 Yeah. Do you remember when's your first time doing this? 54 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,720 Honestly, I don't remember. 55 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:27,720 I think the 16 personality tests, I think it was 2019. 56 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,720 2019. That was my first year doing. 57 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,720 Is it at uni or like with friends? 58 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,720 Oh, no, I was just at home. 59 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,720 And I think at the time, a lot of discussion around MBTI personality tests. 60 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:46,720 And I was just very curious in what I would get and know more about myself as well. 61 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,720 So I just did it in my room. 62 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,720 Wow, I really don't know you that well. 63 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:58,720 I wouldn't thought you would take the initiative to do so. 64 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,720 I don't know if it's a compliment or insult, but no offense. 65 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,720 Oh, no, no, for sure not. I don't take any as offense. 66 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:07,720 Yeah. 67 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:08,720 But you say offensive, but. 68 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,720 For me, it's different. I did at school and at uni. 69 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:20,720 I mean, I did one in management class because I was doing psychology plus business at the same time. 70 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:26,720 I did one during my management class and I did one in my psychology class. 71 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,720 And the way that they presented is so different, but we can dive deep into it later. 72 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:40,720 But it's just interesting different faculty or like different school lecturer present the sexist personality differently. 73 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:41,720 Yeah. 74 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:48,720 And actually, we actually I don't know if you remember, but we actually told each other our personality. 75 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,720 We did. I don't remember. 76 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,720 I don't remember what you got, but I like. 77 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,720 But it was on the trip when we went to Newster. 78 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,720 Remember the moment we went in the accommodation? 79 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,720 We kind of asked each other because we didn't know each other well back then. 80 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,720 Apparently, maybe not until now, but. 81 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,720 Not after the test. The test that I just did. 82 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,720 I'm like, oh, I really don't know this. 83 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,720 Yeah. But then back then, we kind of asked each other what our personality is. 84 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,720 Well, you have good memories. I forgot. 85 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,720 But I don't remember what you said. 86 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:25,720 I honestly don't remember what you said. 87 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,720 I don't remember the conversation. 88 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,720 I think, yeah, it was interesting when I did the test. 89 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,720 I was like, oh, we actually kind of told each other about it. 90 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:42,720 It's just that we didn't care enough to remember it, honestly. 91 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:47,720 But yeah, how did you feel when you were doing the personality test for me? 92 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:54,720 I think the first thought I have is I don't really know Viv that well. 93 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,720 And I feel like she has different personalities to different people. 94 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,720 And I can't just judge based on how she treats me, 95 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,720 but how I see it through my interaction with her. 96 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,720 So, yeah, I'm just I'm just shocked that I actually don't know you that well. 97 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,720 I thought I know you quite well, but apparently not. 98 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:21,720 Yeah. And I think because I'm a more expressive person that I, of course, 99 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,720 and I ramble a lot that I obviously tell everything about myself, 100 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,720 most of the things about myself. 101 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,720 And I think you're more, I don't know, you don't really share much. 102 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:38,720 You're more a listener than a talker in a group setting, I would say. 103 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:45,720 Yeah. So I thought we were close, but apparently not. 104 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,720 I mean, honestly, knowing each other that well doesn't mean you're close or not. 105 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:56,720 Yeah. And I do agree that when I was in comparison, when I was doing the test for you, 106 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,720 I feel like, oh, you answer this, this, this. 107 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,720 I was pretty sure of most of the questions. 108 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:09,720 So it's a good contrast of you doing my test and I'm doing yours. 109 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,720 And I think some of the questions within the test is more personal 110 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,720 and like those inner thoughts that you would have. 111 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,720 It's not that observable as I thought it would be. 112 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,720 And I think that ties back to the 16 personality as well. 113 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:34,720 That is not just about the behaviour, but it's about how your brain works, your preference. 114 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:40,720 And there's a word for it, like the coping method, not the cognitive functions. 115 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,720 Yeah. Yes. But I think it's more than just the behaviour. 116 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:50,720 As the personality test is useful, the cognitive functions for us, 117 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:57,720 and it's more the internal, your preferences in processing information and interpreting. 118 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:03,720 So I would say it's a good lesson that I learned or things that I get out of the test when I'm doing it. 119 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,720 Yes, it's not because you behave that way. 120 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,720 So you are this personality. I think that's more than that. 121 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:17,720 For sure. And even if you have the same personality type, it doesn't mean you approach everything similarly. 122 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:18,720 Yes. 123 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:25,720 Because honestly, each aspect of it will go through each aspect later, but each aspect have their spectrum. 124 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,720 There's a percentage to it. 125 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:33,720 So I can't wait. I really can't wait to see what you got for me. 126 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,720 What about we start from you first since you're so excited about it? 127 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:38,720 Okay, yeah. 128 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,720 Should I tell you my results? 129 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:49,720 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I actually watched you do the test, but I don't know what she got, the results of it. 130 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:55,720 So I got ISFP-A. 131 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,720 Okay, I didn't get it right. Hey. 132 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,720 No, it's not right. But what are yours? 133 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,720 Okay. ISFP is adventure. 134 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:04,720 Yeah. 135 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,720 I would say it's actually pretty close. Mine's INFP, assertive. 136 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,720 So assertive mediator. 137 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,720 Can I see the percentage that you have? 138 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:29,720 So for me, the percentage, how about before we actually compare the two, were there any questions that stood out to you within the personality test? 139 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:43,720 The questions that, yeah, it's actually quite a field that stood out to me for say, you are not too interested in discussing various interpretations and analysis of creative works. 140 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,720 So what was the answer? What was the response that you thought? 141 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:55,720 Slightly agree. Because I've never seen you interested in any creative works. 142 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:03,720 It's not this. I feel like it's this. No, yeah, definitely. I, yeah, you're not too interested. Yeah, I completely agree. 143 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,720 Okay. I agree that I'm not interested. I'm not interested in any of them. 144 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,720 Yeah, that's what I thought too. You are the right, yes. 145 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,720 Yeah, so you're not the artistic side. 146 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,720 Yeah, no, definitely not. You know me well. 147 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:24,720 We'll see how it goes. You like books and movies that you make up with your own interpretation of the ending. 148 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:33,720 I say disagree for this. I completely agree with you. I really love open endings. Really? 149 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:39,720 I can interpret. I can make my own interpretation. They don't tell me what's going to happen. 150 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:48,720 Even if the show or movie is close ended, I will still make it open ended and think more about it and create my own ending. 151 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:55,720 Well, I don't know about that. Because my thought is, oh, Viv will be bored to think. 152 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,720 How lazy do you think I am? 153 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:04,720 Well, that's what you present to me normally. You're like, oh, I don't care. 154 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:09,720 Yeah, I think that's the thing. Like if I'm with other people, I wouldn't think much about it. 155 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:15,720 But if I'm watching a movie for myself, I would have more time to think about, oh, what does this mean? 156 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:23,720 How do I interpret this kind of thing? So if I'm with other people, definitely I don't really have that time to think. 157 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:33,720 Right. So like, I think that ties back to what we mentioned is not just a behavior, but like if you're with yourself, then can present it differently as well. 158 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:42,720 I think another question that I'm not sure is you think the world would be a better place if people relied more on rationality and less on their feelings. 159 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:50,720 It's a hard question. Yeah, I honestly don't know how would I answer as well. Yeah, I don't either. But I say agree. 160 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:56,720 I would say like not agree to the extreme, but like yes, slightly agree. 161 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:05,720 I would say so. I would say slightly agree relying on your rationality more than feelings. Yeah, slightly agree, I would say. 162 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:11,720 But at least at this moment, I would say slightly agree. Any other questions that stood out to you? 163 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,720 You rarely feel insecure. 164 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:21,720 What did you put? I would say agree. 165 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:27,720 It's a hard question. Yeah, I think overall, I agree. Like I don't I don't feel insecure. 166 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:33,720 Because I think that based on the religious belief that you have, I take into account of that. 167 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:42,720 That gives you I think that's how I feel because obviously I wouldn't think you would share your insecurity that often. 168 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:47,720 As I mentioned, you're more the listener than the conversational. 169 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:56,720 So yeah, but I think it's more the insecure. Yeah, I don't feel like I have a. You gotta say the truth though. 170 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:04,720 I feel like I don't have a lot of insecurities I keep going back to as I don't share about it. 171 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:12,720 I think there are just moments here and there where, oh, I suddenly have the thought of, oh, do the people actually like me? 172 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:19,720 And you will process it on your own. Yeah, exactly. And I would say I get not get over it, but I process it quite quickly. 173 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:25,720 Yeah. That's why I say overall, I would say I'm not that insecure. Yeah. 174 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:34,720 I think that's the questions I have that I'm not sure. But overall, you got most of them correct, honestly. 175 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:42,720 You know what? The moment I saw a venture, I already know I got it wrong. I honestly like adventure though. 176 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:50,720 I really like. Yeah, but that's not your main personality. I wouldn't say I would say mediated is more you. 177 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:58,720 The majority of your personality than that. Yeah, for sure. But let's dive into each one. Yeah. 178 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:08,720 Shall we? So the first is I was just introverted. I got 61 percent introverted. I got your 68. 179 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:14,720 I think it really does. The percentage really changed a lot for me. 180 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:23,720 Remember when I said the first time I did it in 2019, my introversion was very, very high. I think I got 99 percent. 181 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:32,720 That's quite extreme. Yeah, that was very extreme. I think at that time, I was just going through a bad phase of in life. 182 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:40,720 Yeah. And I when I answered it, it was more more introverted than now. Yeah. 183 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:49,720 And can I add on something? I think introverted here doesn't mean you are quiet, doesn't mean you're boring. 184 00:14:49,720 --> 00:15:01,720 It's more how you see is do you value more the inner world or the outer world that you feel the real world is in the outer world or the real world is in the inner world. 185 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:12,720 So it's not just the stereotypical idea of introvert is quiet, boring, dislike people, stay away from that kind of introversion. 186 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:21,720 That's more aspect to it. But yeah, I think we both got it quite similar in that. Like I got 68 and you got 61. 187 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:27,720 Yeah, and introverted, extroverted, like they're honestly for all aspects, there's no it's a negative thing. 188 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:34,720 It's how you make meaning of it. Again, I think throughout a lot of episodes, we keep saying how we make meaning of it. 189 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:41,720 Yeah. And it's definitely there's not it's not a positive thing. It's how you view it. Yeah, exactly. 190 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:56,720 So what you say, the description of what the personality profile, we resonate with it that introverted individuals tend to prefer fewer yet deep and meaningful social interactions and often feel drawn to a calm environment. 191 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:10,720 Yeah, 100%. Honestly. Okay. At least for most, usually that's what I prefer. And the second one, it's the second aspect is intuitive or observant. 192 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:18,720 And I think this is the one that that's very different. I got 70% intuitive and 30% observance. 193 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:29,720 And what I did for Viv is 66% observant and 34% intuitive. That's I thought you're more observant based on. 194 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:37,720 So this aspect, it's more about going with your feelings, going with your heart or going more logical. Yeah. 195 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:46,720 And I definitely just go whatever comes out deal with it kind of thing. It's more not it's not about having that logical thinking through of it. 196 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:53,720 So you're more based on the feelings than logic. Yeah, it's the immediate response that I have. 197 00:16:53,720 --> 00:17:01,720 I think because based on my observation that when you make decision, you think longer, it takes longer time. 198 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:09,720 So I thought you were based on more the logical side. But maybe internally when you're processing it is different. 199 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:21,720 I think it's another aspect. I think when I make decisions, when you when you say I take longer, it's not because I actually have a hard time in thinking which is right, which is wrong. 200 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:26,720 It's more about the two choices that I have to make between. It's not that much of a difference. 201 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:37,720 So I can't use my feeling side because it's the same to me. That's why I take a longer time to decide which which one to go for. 202 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:43,720 Interesting. Yeah. Well, I know you a bit more today. 203 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:50,720 But yes, I do take a long, long time to decide on things. Yeah. Which is something to work on. 204 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,720 I think that's good and bad in everything. Yeah. Yeah. 205 00:17:54,720 --> 00:18:04,720 And the third aspect is thinking and feeling. I got feeling for 88 percent. Mine is feeling for 61 percent. 206 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:09,720 And I realize one thing is yours is more obvious than in the middle. 207 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:20,720 I don't know if that's because when I answer it, I tend to choose the neutral or like one score higher instead of the more extreme side of agree and disagree. 208 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,720 Because I'm not sure. But I guess so. 209 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:31,720 The percentage might contribute to that as well when compared to what I did for myself. Yeah. 210 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:41,720 So the percentage this might take into account on why the percentage is higher or more obvious on the one that you do it for yourself than the one that I do it for you. 211 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:54,720 Yeah. So what does feeling actually tell you? So the feeling is that according to the 16 personalities description, feeling individuals value emotional expression and sensitivity. 212 00:18:54,720 --> 00:19:00,720 They place a lot of importance on empathy, social harmony and cooperation. 213 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:09,720 And I think that's definitely you mentioned previously that you are the peacemaker that you value that harmony and that explained on here as well. 214 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:15,720 Would you say so? Yeah, definitely. That's like one of the main values that I have for sure. 215 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:25,720 100 percent. What about the last one? The last one is judging and prospecting. I got 90 percent for prospecting. 216 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:36,720 Wow. I got 72 percent. OK. And I think this is the one that can be more obvious than the above. I don't know why. 217 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:45,720 You mean for yourself or for me? Both. OK. For my result previously that is more 50-50 for the above three. 218 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:52,720 But the last one is more obvious. Yeah. Do you want to share what prospecting means? 219 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:58,720 Yeah. Prospecting individuals are very good at improvising and adapting to opportunities. 220 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:06,720 They tend to be flexible, nonconformist who value novelty above stability. And yeah, I definitely agree. 221 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:18,720 I hold strongly to having to be flexible and adapt to different things that hits you. Yeah, I agree. 222 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:27,720 That's interesting. See how you would answer for me and how I would answer myself. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. 223 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:35,720 Mediator versus adventurer. Very interesting. Do you want to talk about the last one as well? The extra one? 224 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:41,720 Oh, yeah. So assertive and turbulent. 76 percent assertive. I got 64. 225 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:50,720 And I think to my knowledge, this percentage is based off how confident you are in your answers, more in the sense like how extreme. 226 00:20:50,720 --> 00:21:01,720 I completely agree and completely disagree if you answer on those more and less on the middle average answers, then you would be more assertive. 227 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:08,720 Right. Yeah. I think that explains because I tend to lies on the average answer as well. Yeah. Cool. 228 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:17,720 Yeah. So that's INFP versus ISFP. That's for mine. And what about Nat? 229 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:25,720 Maybe you can go towards yours and see how I did for your personality. I think mine is pretty obvious. 230 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:33,720 Actually, I don't know. At first, I felt very, very confident. Yeah. But then now I said, oh, maybe it's not. I'm curious now. 231 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:41,720 But before we do that, some of the questions I have two questions that stood out to me that I have no idea. 232 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:50,720 I'm all ears. And it's the same as yours. One of them is you think the world would be a better place if people rely more on rationality and less on their feelings. 233 00:21:50,720 --> 00:22:00,720 What do you think about that? I think I put slightly agree that it's important to have some sort of rationality around that. 234 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:10,720 And I think because I do to rely on my feelings sometimes, then that's why I see the importance of rationality as well. 235 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:18,720 So I think you're right. Did you put agree on that? I think I put slightly agree. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I do know you well. 236 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:28,720 Maybe. Let's see. And the second question is when someone thinks highly of you, you wonder how long it will take them to feel disappointed in you. 237 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:39,720 I disagree with this. You disagree? Yeah. If you asked me a few years ago, I would say agree. But I think now because I know my value, so I think differently. Yeah. 238 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:47,720 What do you put? I put slightly agree. So you think me worried that I would disappoint people. Yeah. 239 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:56,720 I think it's because you often share about your previous experiences. And I think I base off my answer of that. Yeah. 240 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:05,720 But honestly, this idea is just quite recent. I would say that's a change. But I wouldn't use the word disappointed. 241 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:13,720 I think it's more about how they perceive you. Yes. Yes. If they change the question a bit, then the answers will be different. 242 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:25,720 Yeah, I think definitely the wording is very important in different personality tests anyways. Okay. So I got INFJ. 243 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:37,720 Yeah. Oh, yes. But the last one is different. I assertive. INFJ A. Okay. I got INFJ T. 244 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:47,720 I think it's more T because as we previously mentioned, I wasn't sure about most answers. Yeah. Yeah. So the introversion, what percentage did you get? 245 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:58,720 Fifty five. Oh, well, you're not that introverted. Yeah, I used to be extroverted, by the way, when I did it five years ago. 246 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:08,720 I'm extroverted, but the percentage is 60 to 40. I remember. Okay. Yeah. Introversion and introversion. 247 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:19,720 But again, a lot has changed and maybe the way that I answer it or the way that I understand myself back then is not sufficient. So can contribute to that difference as well. 248 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:32,720 But yeah, I'm definitely introverted. Yeah. Prefer definitely deep and meaningful interactions. Yeah. I think that's very similar to like we're very similar in that aspect. 249 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:44,720 We prefer meaningful conversations. Maybe that's why every time we meet up, we just go deep and not have, I quote unquote, normal conversations. 250 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:52,720 I feel I already forgot how to have normal conversations with you. Yeah. Honestly, it's very hard. 251 00:24:52,720 --> 00:25:05,720 I think when I hang out with Viv, we need to hang out with another person to make the conversation normal. Yeah. If we both meet up, just two of us, it's just like podcasts all the time. 252 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:16,720 Yeah. We're on podcast mode all the time. Yeah. But I really value that and I'm really grateful that I have a friend that I, we both, I would say we both interested in having those deep conversations. 253 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:26,720 I really appreciate that too. I have that opportunity to talk about these meaningful topics that we both agree, like agree that it's meaningful. Yeah. 254 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:35,720 And I think for most of the listeners as well, if you are here listening to us, I would assume that you are interested in those conversations as well. 255 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:49,720 I would assume that we are friends as well. So there's more friends in the world that are similar to us that we prefer the quote unquote, non-normal conversation. Yeah. 256 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:59,720 We're not saying we're not normal and you're not normal. We're normal and not always. And again, like how you determine what normal is. Yeah. And that's another deep meaningful conversation. 257 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:08,720 How does society think a normal conversation should be? Okay. That's the tangent, but let's go back to the second aspect. 258 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:22,720 The energy part. I'm 58% intuitive. Okay. I got 77%. I would say you're more confident than me in answering those questions. 259 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:31,720 I feel like when I was doing the test, I was like, okay, I know her well. I know you well. 260 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:41,720 I think, yeah, a lot of people have said they can read my emotions just based on my face. I'm very expressive in my own way. 261 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:47,720 So I wouldn't be surprised that you're confident and know me that well. Yeah. 262 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:57,720 But yes, I definitely very imaginative and open minded that I like to focus on hidden meanings and distant possibilities. Yeah. 263 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:04,720 Do we agree that's me as well? Yeah, definitely very curious, very open minded. 264 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:11,720 I think just from all the conversations that we've had, I can see that in you. Yeah. 265 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:22,720 That's why I got 77% like that's definitely you by being more intuitive than observant. Yeah, I agree. 266 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:32,720 So the third one is thinking and feeling. So that's the aspect where how to think and feel about the thinking and feeling creates. 267 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:43,720 I'm definitely more the feeling side. Yeah. I have 61% for that. I got 71% for you. Yeah. 268 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,720 I feel like I agree as well. 269 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:52,720 Now placing a lot of importance on empathy, social harmony and cooperation, similar to mine as well. 270 00:27:52,720 --> 00:28:05,720 And I was just wondering, I think just a question that pop up is if you have to choose between the three, empathy, social harmony and cooperation, which one do you think is more important to you? 271 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:13,720 I know it goes hand in hand. Yeah. That's a good question. I think empathy. Yeah. 272 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:19,720 I think empathy is more important than harmony and cooperation. 273 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:28,720 Do you feel like there's a reason behind that? Is it because as a counselor, you feel that empathy is one of the most important factor? 274 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:38,720 Maybe. Yeah, maybe because I think I tend to lean towards understanding what other people feel as well. 275 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:47,720 They're more sensitive in that. But also the way that I treat people value empathy more as well. Yeah. 276 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:54,720 Because I ask the question is I feel like a few years back, I would say social harmony. Harmony is very important. 277 00:28:54,720 --> 00:29:04,720 I think it would be the most important. But then now after doing counseling and everything, I feel there's so much more importance on empathy. 278 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,720 And honestly, how I achieve harmony is with empathy. I agree. 279 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:20,720 Would you say because of the experience that you had back in those years that makes it the social harmony more important at that moment? 280 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:29,720 I think it's more about the awareness because I think I've always placed harmony as a very important factor. 281 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:37,720 And even now I still do. It's just now I'm aware that I can achieve that through empathy. 282 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:43,720 And perhaps even back then, I achieved it through empathy or other ways. 283 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:51,720 But now I place more importance of having that empathy to achieve that. That's interesting. 284 00:29:51,720 --> 00:30:02,720 I think it's just when also when I'm making decision as well that I tend to lean towards the feeling side. Yeah. 285 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:08,720 Anyway, the next one is judging and prospecting. And this is very different for me. It's the opposite, right? 286 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:16,720 I got prospecting. Yeah. Like for me personally. But oh, is it? Is it the one that we're different? Yeah. 287 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:22,720 So you're INFP. Yeah. And you're INFJ. So it's only one one thing that's different. 288 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,720 So judging individuals are more decisive, they're more thorough and highly organized. 289 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:35,720 And they value clarity, predictability and closure, preferring more structured and planning to spontaneity. 290 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:43,720 Yeah. And again, I think this is not I think a lot of people will have the assumption that judging is judgey, judgmental. 291 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,720 But it's completely it's different. And that's again, no good and bad. 292 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:55,720 And judging doesn't mean that I'm judgmental just to a lot of misunderstanding around this as well. 293 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:06,720 Because I have heard friends saying they just say, oh, I'm blah blah blah P instead of J because they would thought the word judging is a negative aspect on it. 294 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:13,720 Yeah, yeah. But it's absolutely not. So yeah, I definitely agree. You are very organized. 295 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:20,720 You like a lot of lists. You have a whole diary for organizing your days and everything. 296 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:27,720 I feel like you love lists. I do. I love the to do list and being able to take off those. 297 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:36,720 I would have just put showering as my to do list as well. I feel like to do list is just setting yourself up for failure. 298 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,720 That's just you. Yeah, that's just me. Yes, that is very true. Yeah. 299 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,720 And that's why I don't like to do lists. But that's that's what's different. 300 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,720 Like you like to do lists. You like more structure, more organized. Yeah. 301 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:59,720 And I think because I like to be in control that I don't like when plans change and go out of what I planned. 302 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:08,720 I think it's just very out of my control. And that's give me I want to say I'm anxious of when things go out of plan, 303 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:15,720 but I would prefer that I have a plan and go according to it. Yeah. Yeah. 304 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:22,720 I can definitely see you feeling if it goes not according to your plan, what would happen? 305 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:31,720 And I think I just see that through your various experiences and what you share with me and just how you react to it. Yeah. 306 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,720 That's why I'm more certain that you're more judging. Yeah. Then prospecting. 307 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,720 I think through the behavior, it gives gives out a lot of clues as well. 308 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:49,720 But even internally, how I make decisions, how I interpret things is definitely the same way as well. 309 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,720 Organize and I. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. 310 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:59,720 Now that we know our own personality type, would you say you resonate with it? I think so. 311 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:09,720 And as I said, it's the results that given from the website is just the average. It's just the average description for this personality types. 312 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:16,720 And it might varies even another INFJ can be different from mine as well. 313 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:27,720 But I would say the descriptions that they have in terms of the strength and weakness and relationship wise is I can resonate with it. Yeah. 314 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,720 What about you? Yeah, for sure. I really resonate with it. 315 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:37,720 But at the same time, every time I do the personality test, I want to get a different one. 316 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:44,720 Oh, what makes you think that? I think I just question if INFP is actually me. 317 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:51,720 Like maybe there's another personality that I resonate with as well. Yeah. 318 00:33:51,720 --> 00:34:04,720 I do have that thought as well. So actually, when we are doing the 16 personalities, I've done the personality test as well to validate whether I'm actually an INFJ. 319 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,720 Well, I'm a proud INFJ and I'm not ashamed of it because it's my personality type. 320 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:16,720 But yes, I think after I've done those personalized tests, I got the same result as well. 321 00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:22,720 So I'm pretty sure I am an INFJ. And it's interesting. 322 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:32,720 I know the career part can varies, but apparently they also say INFJ is more the psychologist, counselor career. 323 00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:42,720 So actually, I know it's not how it works, but it validate and we are sure maybe I'm on the right career path. 324 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:48,720 I agree. At least I want to think that way to give myself some reassurance. 325 00:34:48,720 --> 00:35:03,720 Yeah. So then now that we know our own personality type, since we're friends, maybe we can focus on the friendship part and see maybe some of our similarities or differences when it comes to friendships. 326 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:11,720 Yeah. So what does INFJ value in friendships? What does it say on the website? 327 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:19,720 So for INFJ in friendship wise, they not just searching for someone to spend time with. 328 00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:25,720 They want to find a soulmate. Someone can resonate with their passions and their conflictions. 329 00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:31,720 So I think again, really value that deep connection is what we want as well. 330 00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:37,720 And we have a lot of expectations, not just from ourselves, but from the friendship as well. 331 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:45,720 That authenticity is very important. Yeah. Is there anything that stood out to you that you really resonated? 332 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:57,720 I think I can resonate with everything. I think it explains as usual, very explains really well on how I see friendship as well. 333 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:07,720 Like it doesn't matter whether I have a lot of friends. What makes it more important is having a few friends that have deeper bond and connections. 334 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:12,720 I think that's like very main similarities with my personality type as well. 335 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:18,720 That I really value that deep connection, this deep bonding with the true friends that I have. 336 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:29,720 And I think something that's a bit different is, and I resonate with it as well, is that for INFJ, they long to feel accepted and well-liked, 337 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:34,720 but they hate the idea of pretending to be someone else and not being authentic. 338 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:46,720 Personally, I do feel out of place when I'm with other people, no matter who it is, whether it's someone that I'm not close with, someone that I'm very close with, or even friends, like closer friends and family. 339 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:55,720 I still feel that way. Maybe that's why it says I'm vulnerable to loneliness, but I don't think I consider that as loneliness. 340 00:36:55,720 --> 00:37:00,720 I think I just have to embrace the differences that I feel stronger. 341 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:14,720 Would you say sometimes you would try to blend in and I won't say change your personality, but match with the other persons as well, then the authenticity that I value? 342 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:26,720 I think how I feel is, how I feel it is, on a certain level, I think I do create a complete new personality for each person. 343 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:35,720 But at the same time, I don't think I'm pretending to be someone because I'm just channeling that similarities that we hold more. 344 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:38,720 I emphasize more on that. 345 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:50,720 And you know what's interesting? It reminds me of the previous episode we talked about friendship and you have the idea that everyone can be friends as long as they have the intention to. 346 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:57,720 And I disagree with that because I feel like only people that I share similar values with can be friends. 347 00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:04,720 And I think this personality test can really show the differences that we have and why we believe in that. 348 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:17,720 Yeah, yeah, for sure, because even on the website, it says that mediators may actually find it infigurating to connect with someone who on surface has a little has little in common with them. 349 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:24,720 And I do agree that it's very sometimes it's harder to find the common areas that you share. 350 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:31,720 But at the same time, I honestly believe that everyone have that similarity, similarities. 351 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:38,720 It's just if you both have the intentions of finding that similarity, sometimes you have to work harder towards. 352 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:46,720 And I'm sure some people just don't think it's necessary to find to put in that much effort into finding that. 353 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:54,720 But I think throughout my life, as you practice it more, the capability of it increases. 354 00:38:54,720 --> 00:39:01,720 And I don't have to put in that much effort to connect with other people to find that coming around. 355 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:05,720 It's interesting because I don't think that way. 356 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:10,720 I of course, I believe everyone can be friends. 357 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:20,720 But as to my personality type shows as well that I value still deep friendship and is either acquaintance or like close friendship. 358 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:33,720 And apparently on the website, they also said advocates have if they have to fake or tone themselves down to gain someone's approval, then that person probably isn't the best friend for them. 359 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:41,720 I think that's my mindset as well that maybe we just don't click that maybe you have your own preference or interesting things. 360 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:52,720 And because I value so deeply on those deep connection and conversation, and I can't push or pressure the others to like the same thing as me. 361 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:58,720 So I wouldn't put that much effort in it when compared to, for say, INFP. 362 00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:01,720 It's just our interpretation though. 363 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:07,720 And it's definitely the personality does play a factor to it, but it's not the whole thing. 364 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:13,720 We're just sharing whether we resonate with what the test results mentioned. 365 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:15,720 And I think I agree with you. 366 00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:20,720 I do not want to fake or tone myself down to gain someone's approval. 367 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:24,720 But I think it's just depending on how you perceive that interaction. 368 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,720 Am I doing something to gain someone's approval? 369 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:28,720 I don't think I am. 370 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:34,720 I think for you, you're more willing to put more effort in starting that friendship. 371 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:35,720 Oh, yeah, for sure. 372 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:36,720 Like maintaining it. 373 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:38,720 And I think it also depends on the other person as well. 374 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:48,720 If I can feel that the other person is not willing to, I don't think I will have that energy to put in the time, effort in to have that come to find that common ground with them. 375 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:50,720 Yes, of course, because it's two way. 376 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:51,720 Yeah, exactly. 377 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:52,720 Yeah. 378 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:53,720 And yeah, exactly. 379 00:40:53,720 --> 00:41:02,720 So we do have a lot of similarities and different views on friendship and just the connection we have with other people. 380 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:08,720 And because of the similarities, I guess that's how our friendship work. 381 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:17,720 And I think the personality test is very helpful because it can show how much similarities we have. 382 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:28,720 But we might also have some differences that if we are open in talking about the differences that we can better manage our friendship as well. 383 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:38,720 I wouldn't say that's the weakness of it, but it's something that we can be aware of the compatibility, as you mentioned, of INFP and INFJ. 384 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:42,720 Our conversation would just be based on INFP and INFJ. 385 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:44,720 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 386 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:55,720 And going forward, what do you think some of the things that we have to be more aware of that might cause a hindrance towards our friendship? 387 00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:57,720 Do you think there is any? 388 00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:59,720 I'm sure every friendship has. 389 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:00,720 Yes. 390 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:07,720 And it's just simply from we both working together on this podcast, just the decision making. 391 00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:13,720 I think we both tend to avoid conflict given we value the harmony. 392 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:28,720 So I think being aware that we both tend to avoid conflict, I would say we need to be more aware on having that open conversation about how we think to prevent future conflict. 393 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:29,720 Would you say so? 394 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:40,720 Yeah, I think definitely we both tend to avoid conflicts just to brush it aside and not address it. 395 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:54,720 Yeah, I think just based on our both personalities having that open conversation and being aware the importance of it is more important than hiding it to yourself and let it build up. 396 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:59,720 Yeah, I think I learned that from a lot of previous friendship fallout as well. 397 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:02,720 So, yeah, I think it's not conflicts. 398 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:05,720 It's more about the different ways of how we do things. 399 00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:08,720 For example, I'm really more flexible. 400 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:10,720 I like to play it by ear. 401 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:14,720 That's how my brain works. 402 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:18,720 If it's so structured, I can't follow it. 403 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:22,720 I think that's the main difference between us as well. 404 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:24,720 I'm definitely a professionalist. 405 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:27,720 I've done my schema as well. 406 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:33,720 And professionalism is one of mine, a very high scored one as well. 407 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:43,720 And I'm very structured as you know, the to-do list and plan it very well when compared to yours is quite different. 408 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:45,720 But I think it's just a balance of it. 409 00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:49,720 I think for me, I think it's a growing opportunity. 410 00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:55,720 It's a learning opportunity where I think it's more flexible on having that structure as well. 411 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:59,720 I don't think it would make sense to you. 412 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:00,720 Yeah, absolutely. 413 00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:10,720 I think that's why the awareness is so important and not seen as the strength and weakness, but the balance, as you said. 414 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:18,720 And I've told you before we start this project, I have very high standards on myself and on others as well. 415 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:26,720 And I've done projects previously that the professionalism part plays a big conflict between me and my friend. 416 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:35,720 So I think just being upfront and aware of it, and that's why it's so nice that we have it's so accessible for this personality test. 417 00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:46,720 Because not only you are aware of your strength and weakness, but having that conversation with your friend and how to make that friendship smoother is important. 418 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:51,720 Yeah, I think that's why we do encourage listeners to take the test. 419 00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:53,720 Different personality tests. 420 00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:57,720 It doesn't have to be this one or you can take all of them up to you if you have the time. 421 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:07,720 And just talk to, share it with your friends and just being more aware of the compatibility that you have with the other person. 422 00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:14,720 And being more aware of, I guess, the obstacles to the friendship or romantic relationships. 423 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:22,720 Or even if it's for your personal growth, it could be more about, we kind of briefly mentioned about a career path. 424 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:25,720 And just how you cope with things in general in life. 425 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:32,720 And it is so fun, as you can tell, when we are sharing our different results as well. 426 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:45,720 But it will be very interesting to do this with your friend and even just digesting those questions and having a bit more understanding of each other would be beneficial for friendship as well. 427 00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:51,720 Yeah, yeah. And yeah, definitely friendships, relationship with other people and relationship with yourself. 428 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:58,720 And just, I know some people tend to emphasize on either strengths or either weaknesses. 429 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,720 But I think it's again the balance of it. 430 00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,720 For the strengths, keep improving that, keep it up. 431 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,720 And the weaknesses, it's more about how you work around it. 432 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:11,720 It doesn't mean that you're not good enough. 433 00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:15,720 It's more about how you work around it with your weaknesses, acknowledging it. 434 00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:23,720 And what can you do to, I guess, not allow the weaknesses to overcome your strengths? 435 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:28,720 Yeah. And just don't fixate it on the introversion and extroversion. 436 00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:38,720 I think a lot of people are just fascinated by, oh, I'm extroverted, I'm introverted and ignore the other three aspects, which is very important as well. 437 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:47,720 We do encourage the listener to do more research on it and get a better understanding on different aspects. 438 00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:54,720 Introversion or extroversion, intuitive or observant, thinking or feeling, judging or prospecting. 439 00:46:54,720 --> 00:47:05,720 So yeah, so I think doing more research and understanding more in depth and don't get, not shy away, but like get scared away because how complex it is. 440 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:09,720 It really helps, not just yourself, but like relationship wise as well. 441 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:14,720 Yeah. And it's just a part of it. Your personality is not your entire thing. 442 00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:18,720 And one personality test does not tell you your entire life. 443 00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:26,720 But yeah, it was, I think this conversation was very interesting and seeing how the way you feel yourself and how other people perceive you as well. 444 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,720 And just knowing that, oh, there might be differences. 445 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:36,720 Maybe perhaps for me personally, I have to work towards expressing myself more so that other people will know me better. 446 00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:42,720 And just knowing there is a discrepancy perhaps sometimes, but at the same time, there might not be. 447 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:48,720 So having that awareness, it's interesting to know that how other people feel you, honestly. 448 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:52,720 Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Nat, for being so open. 449 00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:56,720 So thank you. Thank you for doing my personality test as well. 450 00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,720 Yeah. Thank you for doing mine as well. Letting me know that. 451 00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:02,720 Yeah. Just knowing that I have to express more. 452 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:06,720 And listeners, thank you so much for sticking around and we will see you next Wednesday. 453 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:11,720 And if you want to check us out, our Instagram handle is the whyinyourtwenties.podcast. 454 00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:17,720 And we release a new episode once every week on Wednesday, 4 a.m. AEST time. 455 00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:33,720 And thank you for listening and we'll see you next week. Bye.