1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,920 Welcome to our podcast, The Why in the 20s. 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:09,920 My name is Viv. 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:10,920 And I'm Nat. 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:16,520 We are two counselors in our mid-20s navigating our adulthood away from our home country, exploring 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:22,880 the why questions we encounter relating to relationships, identities, and uncertainties. 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,840 So whether you're listening to our podcast while going for your walk or doing your chores, 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:34,840 welcome on board and let the journey begin. 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:40,560 Alrighty welcome back to another episode of The Why in your 20s. 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,040 How's everyone going? 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,120 How are you going Viv? 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:45,120 How's your week? 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,920 Actually this week has not been bad. 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,120 A lot of stuff happened. 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,120 You want to share what's up? 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,120 Not really. 16 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,400 Actually, not really, but then every day I had something to do. 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,920 So it's kind of productive. 18 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:06,600 I would say a bit more productive helping out with the exams where we had to do role 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,360 plays with counseling students. 20 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:15,320 So playing the client, it was really inspiring because a lot of them were very mature, very 21 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:16,320 skilled. 22 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:18,000 So I really enjoyed that. 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,440 I used a few different stories, but there were quite a lot of students so that it got 24 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:27,280 repeated and just using the same stories, you can see how they respond. 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,440 And it's very interesting the way that they go and how they show empathy, how they reflect. 26 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:33,440 It was just amazing. 27 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,800 Aww I'm so glad. 28 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,480 I'm glad you enjoyed, but I'm glad how they are doing so well as well. 29 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:41,480 Yeah exactly. 30 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,480 I feel like they did better than me when I was at that period. 31 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:50,800 Especially first year, like you basically know nothing and it's all very new and don't 32 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,280 even know what counseling is. 33 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:53,280 Well kind of, but like... 34 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,680 I mean at least for us, I didn't know what counseling is. 35 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:57,680 Not well at least. 36 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,920 I think I wouldn't know until I actually go on placement and start seeing clients. 37 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,800 I think that's the beginning of the journey I would say. 38 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:12,640 It's the first year, so they're still developing that skill and it's more about the basic skills. 39 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:17,440 Confidentiality, how you welcome the client, like that rapport building, which is very 40 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,520 important as well. 41 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:23,080 I think sometimes I already forgot, when I see clients I just jump straight into it. 42 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,280 It's very important to explain the confidentiality and stuff, but yeah. 43 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,200 I'm glad you have a productive week. 44 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,760 Yeah that was my week. 45 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:32,760 How was yours? 46 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,720 I think mine is a bit stressed. 47 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,480 I'm not gonna lie, a lot. 48 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,600 I think work started getting a bit more hectic. 49 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:44,600 Not hectic, but like I moved on the honeymoon phase, so now I'm more hands on and got more 50 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,800 clients and get the ball rolling. 51 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,760 So it's not like me sitting there and not doing anything. 52 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,200 Finally I got something to do. 53 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,920 So I really need to be careful what I wish for. 54 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:58,000 But maybe it's just a phase. 55 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,720 Sometimes there's more stuff, sometimes it's less stuff. 56 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,520 And we are moving towards the end of the year as well. 57 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:10,040 So things can get a little bit hectic, but just trying to adjust my lifestyle and get 58 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,040 used to it. 59 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,000 But I do see some signs of burnout, so I think there's some alarming. 60 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,320 Yeah, like recognizing those symptoms. 61 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:18,320 Yeah. 62 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,560 Honestly, I can see you being stressed as well. 63 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:26,760 If work starts to pick up, you have more clients, you have to pay attention to your own well-being. 64 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:27,760 Yes, absolutely. 65 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:33,080 But I do think the good side is I like both jobs. 66 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:38,040 So even though I feel tired, I don't feel dragged to work. 67 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,520 I think there's a difference in it as well. 68 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,760 If that starts to happen, it's something that you really have to deal with it. 69 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:45,760 Yeah. 70 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:46,760 From the very beginning. 71 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:47,760 Yeah, exactly. 72 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,440 I think now it's more because it's winter in Australia as well. 73 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:52,840 So I struggle to wake up. 74 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:53,840 Oh, right. 75 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,200 I just want to stay in my bed. 76 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,200 But that's a different story. 77 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,800 Like if it's just solely because it's cold, if the fact that it's because you don't want 78 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:01,800 to go to work. 79 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:02,800 Oh, yeah, absolutely. 80 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:03,800 Then it's a different matter. 81 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:04,800 I don't know. 82 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,760 Like I just hope summer can come sooner because when I wake up, the sun has even rise. 83 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,240 Oh, yeah, because you have to catch an early train. 84 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,240 Yeah. 85 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,240 That's so sad. 86 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:21,640 I can see the sunrise as good, but just hard makes it harder to wake up if the sun is not 87 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:22,640 there. 88 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,040 Yeah, I definitely agree. 89 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,120 But anyway, we both have productive. 90 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,600 I do have very unfaithful, very unfaithful. 91 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:30,600 We. 92 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:31,600 Yeah, very. 93 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,280 Oh, we forgot to mention one thing. 94 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:36,280 We did a half marathon last week. 95 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:37,280 Yeah. 96 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:38,280 Yes. 97 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:41,200 I feel like I'm finally over with running. 98 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:42,200 I'm so glad. 99 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:43,200 Really? 100 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,480 Yeah, I'm actually the opposite. 101 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:52,640 I kind of want to run not like long, but like a shorter, like 5K or even less 3K. 102 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,640 Have you ran after the marathon? 103 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:02,160 I know you should do a recovery run on Monday because we did the half marathon on Sunday. 104 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,960 So then it's good to move your muscles. 105 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:05,960 Yeah. 106 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,840 So I did a recovery run on Monday and ran a 3K. 107 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:10,840 How was that? 108 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:17,240 My muscles were okay, but I can feel the physical tiredness, especially with helping out with 109 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:18,920 the role plays. 110 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,560 So is it more like you're mentally tired or you can feel your muscle is tired? 111 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,400 Oh, it's both. 112 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,840 It's definitely both. 113 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:31,720 I think I was really tired the first few days. 114 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:32,720 I don't know. 115 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,480 Is it because of running or is it because of my period as well? 116 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,520 So I was like really tired, but oh, I'm so glad. 117 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,200 I did not because I'm so tired. 118 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,840 I know you sent me the message. 119 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:47,680 I'm like, oh, that sounds a good idea, but no. 120 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:53,080 I was scared that my muscle will start hurting like on Tuesday or Wednesday. 121 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,480 The more I rest, my muscle pain will come and I wanted to prevent that. 122 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:03,040 Well before we dive into further deeper, maybe we should start telling the audience why we 123 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,040 start. 124 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,040 Yeah. 125 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,560 So personally, I really hate running. 126 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:07,560 I don't know why. 127 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,000 Actually, I don't know why I joined the half marathon. 128 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,360 There wasn't much reason for me to join. 129 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,360 I think it's a bit different for me and you. 130 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:20,680 What I can remember is you told me that you wanted to join the half marathon and I was 131 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:21,880 like, oh yeah, sure. 132 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,680 Because I never say no. 133 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:24,840 Most of the time I don't say no. 134 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:26,080 So I was like, yeah, sure. 135 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,080 And I just hope that the other person will forget. 136 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,560 Unfortunately, not this time. 137 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:37,240 So when we were about to say yes, like actually pay for it, I was like, okay. 138 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,720 Like if you do it, I do it. 139 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,800 I was betting on the fact that you might not do it. 140 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:42,800 You might back out. 141 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:50,240 Now, because I have done several half marathon before, so to me, it's definitely an easier 142 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:55,920 thing to get back to it because I kind of stopped running for two, three years. 143 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:56,920 So before COVID. 144 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,360 Yeah, before COVID. 145 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,440 And then once COVID hit, I think that's just a lot of things happened in my life that I 146 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,560 kind of not prioritizing running. 147 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:10,680 So I kind of stopped and I always know I have the ability to complete one. 148 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:15,920 It's just a matter of whether you have that courage or you have that sort of, okay, I 149 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,680 want to get back to running and start the training. 150 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,600 So to me, it's very different than for someone like you that haven't run before. 151 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,400 It's definitely more challenging. 152 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:30,360 Yeah, I don't think I would have signed up if it was just me. 153 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:31,800 I would definitely not. 154 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,040 Like I said, I hate running. 155 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,000 Like running is definitely not my thing. 156 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,280 I was secretly hoping that you would fall in love in running. 157 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,280 I thought so too. 158 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:40,280 Yeah. 159 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,280 I was hoping. 160 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,520 I was hoping for that. 161 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:47,760 Because I actually passed with one of my friends a few years ago to do a half marathon with 162 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:52,060 me and then she ended up falling in love in running and she's now a triathlon and she's 163 00:07:52,060 --> 00:07:56,640 now like, I even go back to her and ask for advice when we are practicing the half marathon 164 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:57,640 recently. 165 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:03,480 And I secretly hoping that babe that you would fall in love in running and actually do more 166 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,640 of it outside the race instead of just running for the race. 167 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:13,240 I would say, Oh, I would definitely continue running, but it's mainly because I think it's 168 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,760 healthy to move around and it forces me to move around as well. 169 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,240 My perspective on running, it did change. 170 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:21,840 Like I used to hate it. 171 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:22,840 Okay. 172 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,680 But then now it's just like, fine. 173 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:25,680 I'll do it. 174 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:26,680 Like I'm not much different. 175 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:32,000 It's something that I can tolerate now. 176 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,600 Back then I would be like, no, like if anyone asked me to go out for a short run, I would 177 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:37,600 say no. 178 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,320 But then now I can tolerate it. 179 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,320 Okay. 180 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,080 So there is a change in it. 181 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,760 It's just not, it's just, I don't love it. 182 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,360 Which I kind of foresee already. 183 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:48,360 Yeah. 184 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:49,880 You kind of can tell it's not your thing. 185 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,320 It's definitely not my thing, but I would continue cause it's something healthy and 186 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:55,320 just keeps me moving. 187 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,520 Will you consider other sports to keep you active instead of running? 188 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,040 Oh, I love sports. 189 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,320 It's just most of the sports that I like, I don't like playing it by myself. 190 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,880 And there's no, I think it's just because I'm not motivated enough to find that community 191 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,440 and continue playing that sport. 192 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:13,440 Yeah. 193 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:14,600 It can be tricky sometimes. 194 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,480 So we can dive deeper in how our whole journey was. 195 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:20,920 I can share first. 196 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,120 I think I started way earlier prior to we paid for the race. 197 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,780 I think I kind of start in February and just start running like shorter distance. 198 00:09:29,780 --> 00:09:32,680 I kind of have it recorded on my Strava. 199 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:37,920 I think I run a few times last year as well, but I can count in five fingers. 200 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,920 So I started in January. 201 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:45,240 You know, usually January is like new year, new me kind of thing. 202 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,120 I always wanted to get back to running. 203 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,600 It's just when I live in my previous accommodation, it's very healy. 204 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,360 I know it's excuses, but it's very difficult. 205 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:55,640 It's not running friendly. 206 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,560 If my friend Dana hear this, she'll be really mad. 207 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:01,480 She'll be like, when there's a road, there's a route. 208 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:02,480 That's true. 209 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:03,480 I agree. 210 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,200 So I still want to use that excuse. 211 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,200 It's very healy. 212 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,400 It lowered the motivation to run. 213 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:10,400 It's more tiring. 214 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:11,400 It's not tiring. 215 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:12,400 It's more challenging. 216 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,560 So it's more acceptable that I didn't start. 217 00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:15,920 No, actually don't go there. 218 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:21,000 Anyway, so I moved to this new place last year and I live next to the river. 219 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,240 So it's really nice. 220 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,680 So I actually start in January. 221 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:26,240 I ran 1k and I died. 222 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,680 I'm like, no, this is too difficult. 223 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:34,320 I ran again in end of February because by then I feel like, okay, I need to start running 224 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,120 because I'm planning to join this race. 225 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,560 I ran 2k and I died again. 226 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:46,240 And then slowly, oh, actually the next run is I ran with you. 227 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,560 The 5k one. 228 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:49,320 That was after we paid. 229 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,040 Yes, that was after we paid. 230 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,440 Because I started running after we paid. 231 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,320 Sometimes they really need that motivation is like, oh, this is real. 232 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:02,400 It's just us being cheap. 233 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,880 Because the super early bird, is that what you're saying? 234 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:05,880 Yeah. 235 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,880 No, I wouldn't pay for normal price and it gives you more time to train as well. 236 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:11,880 It does. 237 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:12,880 It really does. 238 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:19,280 Anyway, so I think I'm running like 2 and 5k until April that I start to run a bit longer, 239 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,760 like 6k, 8k. 240 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:26,960 And one of the captions that I put on Strava is I could not locate my lungs after running 241 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,960 6k. 242 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:30,960 So dramatic. 243 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:37,240 But I think one thing I realized is so interesting is it motivates me when you send me your progress 244 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,240 as well. 245 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,400 That is something that we kind of hesitated. 246 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:47,360 We stumbled upon that strategy while we were recording one of these episodes. 247 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:48,360 Yeah. 248 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,480 And I was kind of overthinking, I'm like, oh, should I send it to Viv because she might 249 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:57,440 feel pressured or stressed out that she needs to run more, or she might feel like we are 250 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,840 comparing and I run faster or she run faster. 251 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:02,840 And I overthink a lot. 252 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,280 So I didn't send it to her. 253 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,520 And apparently, I thought the same as well. 254 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,720 I think for me, definitely the main thing is the competition. 255 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:17,720 I was scared that you think I was competing with you, which I definitely was not. 256 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,360 I just want to finish my race, to be fair. 257 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,080 Yeah, I feel like it's very motivating. 258 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,120 I wouldn't run, like in April, I wouldn't run 8k or 10k. 259 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,920 I wouldn't push myself further if you didn't send me the progress. 260 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,280 And sometimes when I really don't feel like running, when you send that, I'm like, okay, 261 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:36,760 I shouldn't procrastinate. 262 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,480 I should go for a run. 263 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,440 Sometimes you just need that accountability and kind of push you and... 264 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:43,440 Just motivate us. 265 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:44,440 Yeah. 266 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,800 And sometimes Strava works the same way because when you post on Strava, I don't have a lot 267 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:53,560 of friends on Strava, but you kind of feel like someone is watching you as well. 268 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:55,480 Even I don't think anyone cares. 269 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,080 But yeah, I do think it kind of helps when I post my progress and kind of motivate me 270 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,160 to run more. 271 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,320 So that's just the beginning of my journey. 272 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:05,320 Is yours similar? 273 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,120 Yeah, I think similar. 274 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:13,720 I think even from the beginning of last year, I wanted to run a bit more. 275 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,080 But it wasn't the length. 276 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,520 I wanted to run more frequently and honestly that did not work. 277 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,980 Maybe it will last for one week and it just stops because I'm lazy. 278 00:13:23,980 --> 00:13:28,760 Before paying for it, we were talking about, oh, maybe we should do the half marathon. 279 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:34,960 So I tried running a bit more and every time it was just 3k runs and I could not push myself 280 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,440 to do a bit more. 281 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,800 Even 3.5, I could not push myself to do that. 282 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,040 But after paying for it, it really gives me the motivation. 283 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,120 I don't want to waste my money. 284 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:51,100 So I started running, actually immediately the day after we paid for it, I ran for 6k. 285 00:13:51,100 --> 00:13:53,680 And it was not too hard, I would say. 286 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:58,980 Yes, the speed was not the best, but I could push myself to run 6k. 287 00:13:58,980 --> 00:14:02,760 It was definitely the money. 288 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,760 After a week, I told my dad about it and he told me just increase a bit more every time 289 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:08,760 you run. 290 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:09,760 And honestly, I know that. 291 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,600 It's just, I don't want to because it's tiring. 292 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,360 So he told me that, oh, every week you just increase 2k. 293 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,980 So get used to the length of it. 294 00:14:19,980 --> 00:14:22,840 So in April, I started running 8k. 295 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,440 Every week, I would say, oh, I will run 3 8ks per week. 296 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,760 And then the others is like, if you don't want to run, it's okay. 297 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,440 So after 8k, I think I sent it to you. 298 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,200 That's when you started running longer runs. 299 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:40,280 Yeah, because I was struggling to, I was kind of stuck in that 5k threshold. 300 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:41,280 It is hard though. 301 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,920 It is hard too, because you're comfortable with 5ks and I was comfortable with 3k. 302 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,760 So it's really hard to push yourself to run a bit more. 303 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:50,760 Yeah. 304 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:56,360 And I think that's another layer on top for myself is I used to run 8k very easily or 305 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:57,360 10k. 306 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:02,800 And to me feeling my body that I can't even do 5k, I can feel a little bit disappointment 307 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:03,800 on my body. 308 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:08,200 I'm like, am I getting older now that I can't even run longer? 309 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:09,520 That may be true. 310 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,920 You are older than three years ago. 311 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,040 Yes, absolutely. 312 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:20,760 But yeah, I do feel like it's a 5k is like a mark that is very hard to cross. 313 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,800 And it's interesting to hear that after you pay, you can immediately run 6k. 314 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:30,720 I think that's so it's, I think for that is more the mentality part. 315 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,480 Yeah, which requires a lot. 316 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,400 We are only half marathon. 317 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:40,200 Were there any challenges that stood out to you during your quote unquote training? 318 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,360 Because I wouldn't say we were actually training for it. 319 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:49,320 I think even when I start the race, I'm not confident that we can do great in a race. 320 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,320 But I do have experienced challenges. 321 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,840 I think I write down on Strava. 322 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:59,400 One day I wrote didn't feel like running today and still don't feel like running afterwards. 323 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,960 But it's one point to self discipline and I'm proud of myself. 324 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,000 And that's the day that I ran 10k. 325 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,640 And some days you just don't feel like running. 326 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,800 So the main challenge is more the motivation in starting that run. 327 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,400 Yes, it's like the motivation of stepping out of your house. 328 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,320 Actually, I would say changing. 329 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:18,320 Changing. 330 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:19,320 Yes, exactly. 331 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,720 I don't know if that would help. 332 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:29,400 But when three years ago when I was running, I usually ran with my friends, I would literally 333 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,400 wear my sports clothes to go to bed. 334 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,800 I tried that once. 335 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,160 Does it work? 336 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,160 It did. 337 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:39,160 It did. 338 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:40,160 But it only worked once. 339 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,760 After that, I tried going to bed with my sports clothes. 340 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:43,760 Nope, it didn't. 341 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,520 You can do it occasionally, but not you can't solely rely on that. 342 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,160 But it does help me a bit, especially winter. 343 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:52,760 Geez, it's cold. 344 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:57,280 Anyway, yeah, that's motivation is one of the challenges that I have experienced. 345 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:58,280 What about you? 346 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:04,840 I think the motivation was a bit challenging, especially during winter. 347 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,880 I just didn't want to change. 348 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,760 So during the day when I'm a bit more motivated, I was like, okay, I'm going to run tonight 349 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,320 because I usually run during the evenings. 350 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:20,480 And during noon or whatnot, when I feel like I'm very motivated that I have to run, I would 351 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,960 change first. 352 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:27,120 And then I wait till the time that I feel like, okay, like 5pm, that's the latest. 353 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:28,120 I have to go run. 354 00:17:28,120 --> 00:17:29,120 And then I'll go run. 355 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:30,120 It really did help. 356 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:35,920 I think just changing in the day and then running at night, it really motivated me to 357 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:43,240 you have to run because you wasted your energy and changing. 358 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,120 And one other thing is having housemates. 359 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:51,600 I think because my housemates know that I signed up for the half marathon, I feel like 360 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:57,240 maybe not the best way of thinking, but I feel like I owe it to them that I have to 361 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,240 run. 362 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,480 And it shows my dedication. 363 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:05,760 It shows my determination towards the goal that I have. 364 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,320 It's almost like I'm proving myself to them while they didn't ask for it. 365 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:15,000 No, but if it acts as a motivation, it works for you, then that's all that matters. 366 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,200 So I think most of the time is whenever they come home from work, that's when I go out 367 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,160 because it's like, okay. 368 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,160 Someone is watching you. 369 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:24,560 Yeah, someone is watching me. 370 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:29,840 That's how I overcome that hurdle in not being motivated to go out for a run. 371 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:30,840 Yeah. 372 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,960 I think you remember one time when I get off work and then you suddenly text me, I really 373 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,600 don't want to run today. 374 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:38,600 And I'm like, same. 375 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,400 I don't want to run. 376 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,400 That really worked. 377 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:42,400 That really worked. 378 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:43,400 Yeah. 379 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,560 I was still wearing my work clothes. 380 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:46,720 I haven't changed yet. 381 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:51,080 I was just sitting there and procrastinating and don't want to run because I came home 382 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,080 around 5.36. 383 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,960 So the later you run, the colder it is. 384 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,520 It's really dark anyway, so it doesn't make a difference. 385 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,040 It will be really cold once it reaches, I think 7pm. 386 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,320 So I saw, I was literally going to give up. 387 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,400 I was not going to run. 388 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,600 I saw your text saying, I don't want to run. 389 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:07,920 And I'm like, yeah, I don't want to run. 390 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,560 I replied, oh, I don't want to run. 391 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:14,160 But then now because we bring this topic up, okay, maybe we can go for an easy run because 392 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,800 we are planning to do a long run. 393 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:16,800 Yeah. 394 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,680 We were going to do eight or 10k run. 395 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:19,680 Yeah. 396 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,200 So you let's do a short run. 397 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,200 Is it 3k or 5k? 398 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,200 5k. 399 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,200 And it's like, oh, it's so cold. 400 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,120 I'm like, yeah, I don't want to. 401 00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:30,920 And then while I'm replying, I start changing. 402 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:31,920 Same. 403 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,740 And then, okay, we will do a short run. 404 00:19:36,740 --> 00:19:37,740 So we actually did. 405 00:19:37,740 --> 00:19:38,740 I think that is. 406 00:19:38,740 --> 00:19:40,880 It really helps so much. 407 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:41,880 Yeah. 408 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,120 I think if you didn't send me that text, I wouldn't go for run. 409 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:50,360 Really me sending you that text, I was really asking for permission. 410 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:54,800 If you say you're going to stay home and not go run outside. 411 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:55,800 Okay, good. 412 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,440 That means I can just stay home. 413 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,240 I was really asking for permission. 414 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:05,320 I think I know you're asking for permission and I'm kind of hoping that you say yes to, 415 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,120 but then on the other hand, I feel like, I think maybe because it's very close to the 416 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:12,320 race day, I feel like if it's not today. 417 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,280 There's no other day that we can go run. 418 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,960 Yes, it will be the same tomorrow. 419 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,160 It will be this cold, even colder. 420 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,080 But yeah, I think that really works. 421 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,760 I think that's not what I've expected, but it works anyway towards the end. 422 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:26,760 Yeah. 423 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:33,520 So other than the motivation part, another very evident challenge that I faced was hurting 424 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:34,520 my ankle. 425 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:40,680 The experience was horrible because I could really feel that limitations of my body and 426 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:41,960 I really didn't like it. 427 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,520 I tried to push it. 428 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:48,420 So even when my ankle was hurting, I was running 10K for each run. 429 00:20:48,420 --> 00:20:52,560 So I ran three 10Ks for one week. 430 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:53,560 It was still okay. 431 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:54,720 It wasn't too bad. 432 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,140 I could still manage it. 433 00:20:56,140 --> 00:20:58,420 And then next week, three 12Ks. 434 00:20:58,420 --> 00:21:00,120 It was still alright. 435 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:04,160 Not horrible, but it was starting to hurt a bit more. 436 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,460 And I felt like, okay, I am doing okay. 437 00:21:06,460 --> 00:21:10,840 Like my physical strength is building up and it was, it really was. 438 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,120 So the third week, I did one 14K. 439 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:16,240 It was just horrible. 440 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:25,040 It was, it was really bad in the sense where I couldn't really walk home because I usually 441 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,240 leave around 100 meters so I can walk home. 442 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:29,240 It was horrible. 443 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,200 It was so hard walking home. 444 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,920 I was limping when I was taking off my shoes. 445 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,880 It was really painful. 446 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,200 And you only told me a week later. 447 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,260 Yeah, I didn't, I didn't tell anyone. 448 00:21:40,260 --> 00:21:41,960 When coming back, I didn't tell my housemates. 449 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,240 I waited for like a few days. 450 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:49,720 I thought it would heal itself and it did to a certain extent, but it was still hurting. 451 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:55,880 I tried going another 14K, but at two to three K, it was just horrible. 452 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,600 I could not persevere. 453 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,720 Yeah, I really couldn't. 454 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,320 My body was at its limitations. 455 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:07,520 And I think because you're running a lot of long runs as well, like doing three 10Ks a 456 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:13,480 weekend and another three 12K per week, I think that kind of worn out your body as well. 457 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,840 Yeah, it did. 458 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:20,920 So after I recognized that, okay, I cannot run that much, I rested for a week-ish. 459 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:27,320 After that was just like, I could feel my body not getting used to runs anymore. 460 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,280 It was not the physical side, honestly. 461 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,560 It was my mental side where I wasn't at the place where I wanted to be. 462 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:40,240 Like the whole week that I kept running after resting for one to two weeks, I was trying 463 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,760 to run at least 5K, 7K, and I just couldn't. 464 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:45,920 I was just very tired. 465 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,480 So most of the runs I gave up. 466 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,160 Even though I feel that my ankle was actually okay, not too bad. 467 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,320 I just gave up. 468 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,240 And what do you think that changed that mentality? 469 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:02,800 I think it's just disappointing in knowing that your body has its limitations. 470 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,920 Maybe it's because I don't want to hurt my ankle again or hurt other parts of my 471 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,680 body, which makes it even worse. 472 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:16,280 But part of it is that I wasn't running according to my schedule, to my expectations. 473 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,980 And I feel I let myself down. 474 00:23:17,980 --> 00:23:22,800 So there's some inflexibility around, this is not going to your plan. 475 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,040 Is this counseling talk going on? 476 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,040 I'm sorry. 477 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,880 Yeah, so it's mainly about that. 478 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:29,880 Yes. 479 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,360 You should think it's my first time hearing that. 480 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:32,360 Yeah. 481 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:38,600 It was very hard to overcome, but it was just very near towards the race day that I just 482 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,600 had to run. 483 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,720 I think we are both anxious as well that we're not going to make it to the race. 484 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:50,040 I was more concerned about your ankle as well that I'm like, okay, go for shorter runs. 485 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,560 Just let it rest until the race day. 486 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:58,200 But yeah, definitely the closer to the race day, the anxiety around not training enough. 487 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,200 Or over training. 488 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,840 Or over training. 489 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,440 And that is scary as well. 490 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,440 Yeah. 491 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,520 Did you get injured before the race? 492 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,720 I did have a week that my knees was hurting. 493 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,520 I think I wrote it down as well. 494 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,280 I wrote down, knees need some rest. 495 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,640 And a skull emoji. 496 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:20,920 I think because I was planning to run 12K that day, I ended up doing 8K. 497 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:27,480 And actually a few days ago, I was planning to run 5K and I stopped at 1.4K. 498 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,840 My body is not feeling it. 499 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,800 I think because by then I already knew your ankle was hurting. 500 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,280 So I'm more conscious on my body as well. 501 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:42,120 If I feel something is wrong, I should pause and rest and that's okay. 502 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:46,680 So I'm kind of glad and not glad that that happened to you because that reminds me as 503 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:47,680 well. 504 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,280 I should pay more attention to my body as well. 505 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,000 So I did have that one week where my knees is feeling a bit weird. 506 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:00,960 And then I rest for a week and then I ran 12K in a really good speed. 507 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,280 So I think that one week of resting is very important to me. 508 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,680 But actually the week that you rested, I rested as well, right? 509 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:13,440 I felt less pressure to have to immediately go for a run because you weren't sending 510 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,640 in your progress. 511 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,560 And this is my concern sometimes as well when I'm sending you progress and I know you need 512 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,040 the rest, you should rest. 513 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:28,000 Yeah, I don't think I would feel guilty, but I think I would blame my body. 514 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,240 It's just so many limitations. 515 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:37,200 I would not, I would still not push myself to run at that time because I really couldn't. 516 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,200 But it's really disappointing. 517 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,320 It's like, especially when you said like there are goals, like you wanted to run 5K, but 518 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,280 you only ran 1.5K or 12K, but you only ran 8K. 519 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,120 Like those runs, it happens to me a lot. 520 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,320 And you're just so disappointed with yourself. 521 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,960 You set a goal for yourself, but you didn't meet it. 522 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,640 And those runs demotivate me from running the next day. 523 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,080 So I guess being flexible on our goals is very important as well. 524 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,080 Yeah, definitely. 525 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,600 I mean, the ultimate goal is obviously to finish the half marathon. 526 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,320 I think the thing is giving yourself permission to stop when you need it. 527 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,160 Yes, that is very important. 528 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,160 Yeah. 529 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,960 So those were some of the challenges that we faced. 530 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:25,080 It's more about the motivation, getting injured, being inflexible and all that. 531 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,360 Some of the challenges that we faced when we were preparing for the half marathon. 532 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:34,840 And after the half marathon, very interesting that one of our friends, she asked us, were 533 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,640 there any lessons that we learned from the whole journey itself? 534 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,480 Do you want to share your answer? 535 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:48,080 My answer is actually quite ridiculous because I didn't charge, well, I did charge my phone 536 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:53,240 the day before, but I think I did just didn't plug in well, that I just didn't charge. 537 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,560 So when I woke up, it's only 10% left. 538 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:01,760 I was kind of sad that morning because I really want to record on Strava, but then I kind 539 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:08,200 of need my phone for safety reason or to contact my friends afterwards. 540 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,400 So the lesson that I learned is to buy a new phone. 541 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,240 Actually thinking back, maybe you should buy smart wash as well. 542 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,000 I don't like to wear wash, especially I have eczema. 543 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,880 It's not that good for my skin as well. 544 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,280 But for running, it's very nice. 545 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,640 Like, you know your pace, you know your heartbeat, you know everything. 546 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:27,640 Yeah, I know. 547 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,960 Maybe I need to buy a new watch now. 548 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:31,960 Anything else? 549 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,520 I think just in general, prep way ahead. 550 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,280 Because I was talking to one of my friends, she's also my coach. 551 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,760 She kind of not scold me, but like kind of pointed out saying, hey, because I was asking 552 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,120 her questions around, should I get this gel, what should I eat before the race? 553 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:49,120 The day before. 554 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,520 The day before the race. 555 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,280 And she's like, these kind of things you should actually prepare way ahead while training, 556 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,360 not the last day before the race. 557 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:00,720 So I think that's a lesson that I learned as well. 558 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,520 It's not just before the race, but plan ahead. 559 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,880 If you want to use the gel, try it during your training. 560 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,880 I agree. 561 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,640 I really agree. 562 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:12,640 Side story. 563 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,480 So Nat wanted to get the gel and she told me to get two for her. 564 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,500 So I was like, okay, then I'll get two for myself as well. 565 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:22,340 And she recommended it. 566 00:28:22,340 --> 00:28:26,360 She recommended it to me that, oh, maybe I should get it for myself as well. 567 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:31,880 But what she didn't tell me is that her coach told her that if you're not used to it, if 568 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,920 it's your first time, it might upset your stomach and you might get diarrhea. 569 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:37,920 She didn't tell me this. 570 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:38,920 And I'm sorry. 571 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:46,240 Because I hide it on purpose because I know Viv is those people that will never rely on 572 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,200 other things unless she needed. 573 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:55,980 And especially with her knee and ankle, leg injuries, I really hope that she can finish 574 00:28:55,980 --> 00:28:56,980 the race. 575 00:28:56,980 --> 00:28:59,520 And I do feel like the gel would help her. 576 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,200 I do feel like that too. 577 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:06,880 So when my coach told me, I'm like, maybe I shouldn't tell Viv because if I told her, 578 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,240 she would not get it. 579 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,400 And she got one less tools to support her to finish the race. 580 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:17,080 Fast forward, I got the two gels. 581 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:23,600 I had it at 12 and 16 K around those distance where there was water station. 582 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:29,120 Right after the race, five minutes in, not kidding, five minutes in, I already felt like, 583 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,640 oh, my stomach, it's hurting. 584 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,400 I thought it was because right after the race, I had half a banana. 585 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,400 It might be. 586 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,880 Bananas don't upset my stomach. 587 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,360 It just helps me poop. 588 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,200 It helps with the digestion and everything. 589 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,240 But my stomach was so upset. 590 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,280 Yeah, my stomach was very upset. 591 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,720 I had to immediately find a restroom. 592 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,320 But even walking was very hard. 593 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,360 It wasn't because of the muscle pain or anything. 594 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,000 It was because my stomach was very upset. 595 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,000 I was. 596 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,000 You were. 597 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,000 Your muscles were painful, but mine wasn't. 598 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,720 Sorry, I shouldn't be laughing right now. 599 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,240 It was very challenging for me to walk because my stomach was painful. 600 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,560 Long story short, I had diarrhea. 601 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,560 It's really funny. 602 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,320 Sorry, that was a side story. 603 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,400 No, but that's really funny. 604 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,600 I feel like if I can choose again, I will still choose to hide from you. 605 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,600 But I wouldn't. 606 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,520 I mean, I wouldn't not get it because it might upset my stomach. 607 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,160 But that's the thing we discussed. 608 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:37,320 If I told you there's a chance of diarrhea, you might be more conscious about it and you 609 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,640 might even feel earlier during the race. 610 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,800 That is true. 611 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,800 I don't know. 612 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,280 But we never know. 613 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,800 Yeah, we'll never know. 614 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,040 And it's something that you took away from me. 615 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,000 The power of choosing. 616 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000 That's hilarious. 617 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:59,400 But that's the lesson that I learned is to plan ahead, to give yourself some time because 618 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,400 I was literally going to buy new shoes, running shoes the day before as well. 619 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,480 Actually, that's a very good lesson. 620 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,320 And the last one was buying a new pair of shoes. 621 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,040 Yeah, just spend more money. 622 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:15,080 No, but the lesson of planning ahead, that's very important as well, I would say. 623 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,360 Mine is a bit different. 624 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,880 I would agree planning ahead as well because the day before I went on a short run, I wore 625 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,320 a different pair of shoes and it scratched my ankle. 626 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,760 Even it was like a 3k short run, it wasn't comfortable at all. 627 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,600 And I was planning to wear those shoes to the race day, which I haven't been wearing 628 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,300 for all my other runs. 629 00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:42,880 So I'm glad in the end I tried it on my last run and not use them or else I definitely 630 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,200 would have given up because it was too painful. 631 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:51,040 But yeah, another thing that I learned is that there were a lot of challenges during 632 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,720 the marathon day and the whole journey itself. 633 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,320 And I would consider it very painful as well, especially when I go on long runs. 634 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,880 I wanted to give up every time because my legs were not really listening to me. 635 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:11,600 There were times where I just wanted to give up in running and it's quote unquote suffering, 636 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:12,600 I would say. 637 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,640 It's not like actual suffering where like you're almost dying, but you feel that way. 638 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:23,360 For me, I see it as if the results of it, it's worth it, then the suffering is worth 639 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,360 it as well. 640 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:30,960 So after your run, how you feel, that sense of achievement, that whatever that you feel 641 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,280 or whatever, if it's worth the suffering, then it's okay. 642 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,280 Especially I paid for it. 643 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,960 I'm paying for that suffering. 644 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,640 So I really need a reason for that. 645 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:47,760 A side story again, because of the whole marathon thing, I want to get a tattoo saying suffering 646 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,980 helps with perseverance, which produces character and produces hope. 647 00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:58,800 And it's something that I really like prior to doing half marathon and everything. 648 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,400 And this just reinforces it. 649 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,400 Oh, I like that. 650 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,200 So I do want to get a tattoo maybe in the near future. 651 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,640 I love this idea. 652 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:15,200 I love how all our lesson or like takeaway is to spend more money. 653 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,800 I mean, I don't have to. 654 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,920 It's a lesson that I want to remember and I'm scared I'm going to forget. 655 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,000 So I want it tattooed on my body. 656 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,520 I think that's very beautiful. 657 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:25,520 I love that. 658 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:26,520 I fully support. 659 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,520 I won't come with you though. 660 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:28,520 Why not? 661 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:29,520 I'm scared of the sound. 662 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,520 Yeah. 663 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,520 I mean, I didn't ask you, but okay. 664 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,360 Honestly, I would prefer asking someone with experience so I wouldn't feel as anxious. 665 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,360 Yeah. 666 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,440 So overall, I feel like I learned a lot in how to overcome some of the challenges that 667 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,440 we had. 668 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,840 Overcome those obstacles. 669 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:56,040 And just building on the mentality part where I have to persevere building up that resilience. 670 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,040 Yeah. 671 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,760 I think one thing that I want to add is not setting too high expectation or being too 672 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,560 inflexible because I have done several half marathon few years ago. 673 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,920 So I know my PB. 674 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:15,240 I know my PB and I feel like I'm anxious or I feel worried because I know during my training 675 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:21,080 the past few months, the pace that I'm running, I couldn't beat my PB personal best. 676 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:27,360 So I told my friends, like my coach, my desired pace, by then I already come to acceptance. 677 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,720 I'm like, okay, it's fine. 678 00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:30,200 I just want to finish the race. 679 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,240 But I'm really glad she kind of pushed me to do a bit more and say, maybe go for this 680 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:39,460 pace and if you feel tired during the race, then slow down. 681 00:34:39,460 --> 00:34:43,440 And she expect the finish time so accurately that I was kind of shocked. 682 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:49,240 I actually reached my personal best, like even better than the past two half marathon 683 00:34:49,240 --> 00:34:50,800 that I did a few years ago. 684 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,760 But I feel like I will be really disappointed on myself if I did not achieve that. 685 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,280 But now thinking back, I should give myself some kindness and being more flexible around. 686 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,980 It's okay if you're not doing your best. 687 00:35:02,980 --> 00:35:05,600 If you try your best, that's okay. 688 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,800 It doesn't have to be a new record. 689 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,680 It doesn't mean it is a setback. 690 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,140 It's just different time, different situation. 691 00:35:13,140 --> 00:35:14,900 You can't really compare like that. 692 00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:18,920 So something that I learned is to be flexible around it. 693 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,440 And again, we talk a lot about this in our podcast is to be kind to yourself. 694 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,760 And I think that's very important as well. 695 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,240 I think the whole thing about half marathon is really people keep saying it's like pushing 696 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:30,820 yourself to your limits. 697 00:35:30,820 --> 00:35:34,320 And I think it's okay, even if you don't push yourself to your limits. 698 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,040 Yeah, it's not really helpful to always push yourself to your limit. 699 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:44,200 And the reason why we are sharing this today because we kind of want to do a fun project. 700 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,200 Oh, yeah. 701 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:51,440 We kind of want to do a 21 days challenge to develop a new hobby. 702 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:58,240 And I think that 21 days because most of the time people say, oh, you need to do something 703 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,640 consecutively for 21 days. 704 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,600 And that's how we set for 21 days. 705 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,600 Yeah. 706 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:10,120 I'm very excited to develop this hobby of mine and I've chosen crocheting. 707 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,240 So let's see how it goes. 708 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,360 Yeah, I'm excited to see. 709 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,360 And yours? 710 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,940 For me, I choose mindfulness, practicing mindfulness. 711 00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:26,800 I know because we study counseling, so we kind of touch base on it, but I never actually 712 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:27,800 practice it. 713 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,080 I did went to yoga once. 714 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,640 I fall asleep. 715 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,200 So I always have that thought in my mind is this is not going to work. 716 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,720 Like mindfulness is really not my thing, but I really want to give it a try again, especially 717 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:44,200 now with work, the stress kind of build up as well. 718 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,660 So I hope this new hobby can better manage my stress, but also I'm excited to see what 719 00:36:48,660 --> 00:36:50,260 surprise it will bring. 720 00:36:50,260 --> 00:36:55,200 I don't want to put too much expectation on it because I don't want to disappoint myself, 721 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,560 but I'm very excited to see what comes along with that. 722 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:04,320 Yeah, and it does take courage to revisit something that you have tried and it didn't 723 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,320 work out. 724 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,000 But I mean mindfulness, there are different ways of practicing mindfulness and you can 725 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,320 try it out throughout your 21 day journey. 726 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,680 And I do encourage listeners to if they have something that they want to work on or something 727 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:23,880 to develop, something to try, then maybe try going to find your own hobby. 728 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,200 Perhaps it's like that where you revisit something in the past where you've tried and you didn't 729 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,320 like or like me where you try something completely new. 730 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,320 It could be neater. 731 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:38,440 It really depends on you, but finding your own hobby, it will really help with your mental 732 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,440 health, personal growth. 733 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,600 It could help with a lot of things. 734 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,520 Just having that curiosity to try that. 735 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,280 And I think especially in our 20s, we are so focused on working because that's just 736 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:55,800 the start of whether you're studying or you're working, you kind of forgot to have a hobby. 737 00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:01,400 So if you have anything that always wanted to try out, but you never got the chance to, 738 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,640 if either you're telling yourself, I don't have time, I don't have the money to do so, 739 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,160 try something new can be life changing sometimes. 740 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,280 And there's always a sense of achievement. 741 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:18,200 If you go through with it with determination, it might not be your long lasting hobby, but 742 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,940 it's something that you tried. 743 00:38:19,940 --> 00:38:24,760 And if you want to follow our journey, you have to follow our Instagram because from 744 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,640 today we will post our progress on social media. 745 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,240 Our Instagram handle is the why in your 20s.podcast. 746 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:37,840 Me and Viv will post our journey in practicing mindfulness and for her crocheting. 747 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,800 And if you decided to start your journey as well, feel free to tag us in. 748 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:42,800 Oh yeah. 749 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,800 It will be really fun and exciting to see your progress as well. 750 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,800 And we are doing this all together. 751 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:49,800 Yay. 752 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,360 Why are you whispering? 753 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,400 I just want to whisper. 754 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,520 Not because people complain about my laugh and it being too loud that hurt their ears 755 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:00,560 as well. 756 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:06,600 So is this a way to protect your ears and not damaging it further by whispering? 757 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:07,600 Thank you. 758 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,920 Thank you for that. 759 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,240 So yeah, and that's the end of our episode. 760 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:18,720 We will do a post hobby episode after 21 days. 761 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,520 So make sure you tune in for that episode as well. 762 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,520 All right. 763 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,360 I hope you guys enjoyed the story of our half marathon journey. 764 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,160 I hope you guys have a great week. 765 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,720 We'll see you next time. 766 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:52,720 Bye.