1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,260 You know, the most beautiful concert or the most, I would not say perfect, but the most 2 00:00:15,260 --> 00:00:22,500 rewarding concerts, it's not last mistake concerts, but then the concerts that I felt 3 00:00:22,500 --> 00:00:30,360 the most engaged with music, with myself and the music and inevitably with audience receive 4 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,040 as well. 5 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,440 Welcome back to the PianoPod. 6 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,880 I am your host, Yukimisong. 7 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:42,120 Thanks for tuning in for the second half of season three, episode 14 with a guest, Dr. 8 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:43,520 Ji-Yoon Kim. 9 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,760 Hope you enjoyed part one of this episode. 10 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:52,120 In part two, we're going to tackle some philosophical topics like how do we define success as a 11 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:58,160 musician and how can we keep the classical music industry thriving and relevant in this 12 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,560 fast paced society and more. 13 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:06,420 Before continuing the show, I want to welcome everyone listening to the PianoPod for the 14 00:01:06,420 --> 00:01:07,420 first time. 15 00:01:07,420 --> 00:01:11,920 I'm a classical pianist and educator from New York City, passionate about creating a 16 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:18,280 thriving and meaningful community of the classical music industry through this podcast. 17 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,200 Please visit yukimisongstudio.com to find out more about my work. 18 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:28,420 In each episode of the PianoPod, I interview a guest speaker who has been breaking exciting 19 00:01:28,420 --> 00:01:30,600 new ground in the industry. 20 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,860 Please rate the show and review it on your favorite podcasting platform because every 21 00:01:35,860 --> 00:01:39,420 rating review will help people find my show. 22 00:01:39,420 --> 00:01:46,040 So dear friends, here is part two of the PianoPod season three, episode 14 with Dr. Ji-Yoon 23 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,560 Kim. 24 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:53,400 Please enjoy the show. 25 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,680 You are listening to the PianoPod where we talk to the brightest minds in the industry 26 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:03,320 about how they are bringing the piano into the 21st century. 27 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,000 And then I totally enjoyed reading your book whenever you're ready. 28 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:13,500 Actually, I knew of you from YouTube, you know, one of the algorithms and then triggers 29 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:18,240 and I saw your video, but then afterwards during the COVID time, I got an email from 30 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,840 probably your publicist to reach out to me because we started a podcast and then you 31 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,800 just published a book, right? 32 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,400 And then we didn't get to interview you till now. 33 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:32,560 I didn't get to, but I was reading the book during that time and it was very, very good. 34 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:38,060 And then starting out sort of, you know, it's intended for all the readers, not just limited 35 00:02:38,060 --> 00:02:39,060 to pianists. 36 00:02:39,060 --> 00:02:43,720 So the way you're explaining, you know, this is like, this book is like a movement of sonata 37 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,280 and then it goes like this. 38 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:51,240 And then in each chapter, you have this sort of exercise for readers to do certain things. 39 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,360 And then the first chapter, first few chapters were easy to read. 40 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,520 Then it gets actually quite deeper philosophical. 41 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:04,560 And then I was able to reread again to just to prepare for this interview and it was very 42 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:05,560 encouraging. 43 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:11,480 Can you tell me how this is structured and what motivated you, what inspired you to write 44 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:12,480 this book? 45 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:19,400 I think, you know, I mean, the whenever you're ready is where, where it comes from is that 46 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:24,960 every concert stage, often there's a stage manager holding that door to the stage and 47 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,680 say whenever you're ready. 48 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:32,080 And then I look at that person and thinking, am I ready? 49 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,640 Will I ever be ready? 50 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:42,800 But then I'm thinking deep, deep in that moment and create a courage and strength within myself 51 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,620 and make a decision to walk towards the stage. 52 00:03:46,620 --> 00:03:52,200 And that's in order to make that transition into the split second of whenever you're ready 53 00:03:52,200 --> 00:04:00,520 to, okay, in order to make that transition, I have to do so million things daily basis. 54 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:01,520 It's not just easy. 55 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:02,520 Okay, I'm ready. 56 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:03,520 Go. 57 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:10,720 So much of a mind training, so much of a how lifestyle reflects to that this is making. 58 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,200 And so that I wanted to this book to be like written concert. 59 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:20,040 So that's why I structured in such a way the movements that each movement has deal with 60 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:25,600 the different topic and the first movement about like perseverance, discipline, and then 61 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,280 about second movement is negativity and the creativity on the third movement and fourth 62 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:34,120 movement is about connection with oneself or others. 63 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:39,280 And the fifth movement about the body self, the environment. 64 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:43,680 And then in between there's intermission where I get to be a missionary of classical music 65 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,600 again and talk about one of my favorite pieces. 66 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,400 And there's a QR code for them to go to listen to it. 67 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,080 And then there's encore at the end. 68 00:04:53,080 --> 00:05:00,360 And what I was thinking is that whenever I prepare for a concert, it feels like a preparing 69 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:01,640 for life. 70 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:07,760 And I often think that we all have a stage called life. 71 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:14,560 Whenever we have a difficult phone call, when we have to face a difficult decisions, a difficult 72 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:20,000 conversation, embark something new unknown, life challenges us. 73 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,680 But that very moment like you still I'm going to do it. 74 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:33,760 That is what I wanted to give the sense of inspirations, those of strength to the readers 75 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,840 in their performance of life. 76 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:38,840 Whenever you are ready. 77 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:41,760 And it's not like go do it. 78 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,240 But it's like I'm giving you a moment. 79 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,000 And so when you're ready, you go. 80 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,840 But it's on you. 81 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:53,240 For musicians, I think they get it because they live that. 82 00:05:53,240 --> 00:06:00,360 But most more importantly, for other people through the lens of classical musician, and 83 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:07,440 by you going through my life, they realize, oh, that is a life that I do have a stage 84 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,320 called life. 85 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:16,880 So that I wanted to this book to be not from someone who knows better, went through more, 86 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:23,280 but more as a fellow friends and fellow human being who struggles as much. 87 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:32,340 And as if we are sitting in a cafe, very friendly, light, but empathetic, warm, honest, vulnerable, 88 00:06:32,340 --> 00:06:34,680 so that we all go through this. 89 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,820 It's not only you, me too. 90 00:06:36,820 --> 00:06:40,040 But this work actually, this really helped. 91 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:46,640 So that's why my voice is not dominant, but more of, hey, did you try that? 92 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:47,640 It worked for me. 93 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,280 Then you're like, you know, maybe many, know many of these tools that I mentioned in the 94 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:53,880 book already. 95 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:59,640 But since because I say it, because you feel like I'm your friend, you think like, oh, 96 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:00,840 maybe I try meditation. 97 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:04,320 I know that's good, but maybe something out there. 98 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:11,280 You know, that was my goal for people to remind that these tools are already always there. 99 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:17,340 But from my delivery, just like classical music through my performance, they get it. 100 00:07:17,340 --> 00:07:23,480 Maybe there's one or two more people they pick up on those life tools to make their 101 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:24,680 life better. 102 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:29,600 In the first movement of the book, you know, and I really appreciate you for clarifying 103 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,960 the myths about becoming or being a pianist. 104 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,680 Like everybody says, oh, you're so talented. 105 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,320 You can just play play on the fly. 106 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,880 But you have no idea how much of a work how much of ups and downs of life to go through 107 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:43,880 to get there. 108 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:44,880 Right. 109 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,260 So and I love the quote. 110 00:07:46,260 --> 00:07:50,720 It is not willpower, but habit that makes things happen. 111 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,840 Because you know, willpower is exhausting. 112 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,600 And that's why a lot of people quit. 113 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:02,240 But the delayed gratification is a really difficult lesson to learn and teach also. 114 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:09,600 And so where is a good place to start learning this important lesson in life like of delayed 115 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,680 gratification, meaning building a good habit? 116 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:22,120 I think it's early as possible, which is why now it's good to place to learn. 117 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:28,840 I think it's important to know that every learning has the learning curves like boiling 118 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,760 water, it wouldn't boil until 100 Celsius. 119 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,640 But you all alone, it has been boiling, but we don't feel it. 120 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,840 You know, but we have to believe that we are making progress, even though we don't see 121 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,220 a progress. 122 00:08:43,220 --> 00:08:47,760 And I think that is really important to for us to remind ourselves. 123 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,720 I get frustrated, too, because I practice this much. 124 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,080 I thought it would get better, but it's not yet. 125 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,440 But then it's not yet. 126 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:57,440 It's not never. 127 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,440 But it's not yet. 128 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,760 And the growth mindset is something that we can train ourselves. 129 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,920 It's not like you have and you don't. 130 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,280 But it's I can make it better. 131 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,400 Maybe not yet, but I'm making it. 132 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:16,440 You know, so I think focusing on the system, which is a habit, is the key, because if I 133 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:21,920 have to think when I'm going to practice a day, every single day, have to think about 134 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,640 it, it's exhausting already because my day I have to do this, I have to do that. 135 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,600 When I'm going to do it, it takes already like I'm exhausted even thinking about it. 136 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:37,400 But if I have a habit of just a certain amount, not all the time, but certain amount of practice 137 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:44,520 is right after breakfast, I'm going to practice in an hour or two, then that is secured no 138 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,560 matter what, because I became a habit after breakfast. 139 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:51,800 Even though I have this complex, I don't want to practice. 140 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,680 I'm already sit down and play piano. 141 00:09:54,680 --> 00:10:00,080 But you know, it's funny people think that it's my willpower to make me practice every 142 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,080 day. 143 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,720 But it comes from I know why I know already own why. 144 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,360 Why is I love piano, right? 145 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,400 But I don't question that why anymore once I own it. 146 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,840 I don't question like, do I want to practice? 147 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:15,840 Do I love piano? 148 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:21,480 Like, of course you love someone today and you don't love someone tomorrow because you 149 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,720 know, they saw and so acted this way, but it's an old couple. 150 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:26,720 They love each other. 151 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:33,720 They know even though they hate each other, they hurt themselves, you know, each other. 152 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,600 They do things for each other. 153 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,680 They do it by showing the action. 154 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:43,060 Not made not feeling it's so flimsy thing. 155 00:10:43,060 --> 00:10:46,320 You know, you would focusing on Oh, do I love piano? 156 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,120 Do I love this person? 157 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,440 You know, the answer is that it will change every single day, even every hour it might 158 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:53,560 change. 159 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:56,880 You know, so someday we like this and someday we don't. 160 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:57,880 Sometimes we angry. 161 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,840 Sometimes we happy, happy, but joy, but sad. 162 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:01,840 All of it. 163 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:02,840 It's so flimsy. 164 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,720 Our emotions are not reliable thing. 165 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:13,660 So once you own the love, why then I even though I would think that I hate practicing, 166 00:11:13,660 --> 00:11:16,840 but I ignore that chatter because I don't question that. 167 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,560 I don't question the core meaning, but I sit down and play. 168 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:27,600 Once I sit down and practice it 99% 99 time, I love it. 169 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,360 You know, not maybe first five minutes. 170 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:30,520 It's still there's a conflict. 171 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,160 But then I get into certain section like, Oh, this needs some cleaning up. 172 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,960 Oh, this Oh, this is nice. 173 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,800 You know, more likely 30 minutes pass by an hour easy. 174 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,880 And then after an hour, I feel good because I overcome myself. 175 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,960 I made music. 176 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,440 I actually enjoyed it. 177 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:54,480 But if I question it, when I do it, then I already adjusted and I don't think I would 178 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,200 keep up with piano practicing. 179 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,880 You know, I'm 42 years old. 180 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,600 I started when I was four, 38 years of practicing every day. 181 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:03,600 Forget it. 182 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:04,600 Right? 183 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:10,280 I mean, ask someone to do something constantly all the time other than eating and sleeping. 184 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,700 You know, this is not major human, you know, instinct thing, you know? 185 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:20,520 So for me, it's very important to make that transition easy as possible. 186 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:26,400 I prioritize it and try not to think as much as possible, at least the first section of 187 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:27,400 the practice. 188 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,780 Then if I wanted to add more, some days more, some days less. 189 00:12:31,780 --> 00:12:39,720 So then whenever you wanted to add on to your life, if that is important to you, then own 190 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:40,800 that why. 191 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,800 Simply ask seriously why, because you can go back and forth. 192 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:51,680 So let's say that, you know, the exercise is important to you, and you really want to 193 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:54,240 make that working out as a part of your life. 194 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,560 That you don't question that you want to do it, would not want to do it. 195 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:00,880 Once you own it, then make a system. 196 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,280 Let's say you wanted to, you know, work out every single morning. 197 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:05,280 When? 198 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:12,880 When after we wake up or after before breakfast, then make it a small, very, very small amount, 199 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:19,680 like 10 minutes of stretching until you get that habit into your system for at least, 200 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:22,040 you know, a couple a month or two. 201 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:27,560 Don't push yourself too much because you have to have a longevity of a lifestyle, not like 202 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:28,560 a month. 203 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:36,160 Gym every single day, and from the February, everybody's like go back to their couch, you 204 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,160 know. 205 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,640 If you want something in your life, you have to start slow. 206 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:47,720 But then what I really emphasize is that the two day rule, which is you can skip a day, 207 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,400 but not two days in a row. 208 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:54,560 I do skip practice some time, but never two days in a row. 209 00:13:54,560 --> 00:14:02,320 So that rule gives me some room to wiggle, but then ask myself gently back into the track 210 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,880 and then also not too hard on myself. 211 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,200 Yes, you can skip a day. 212 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,200 It's fine. 213 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,040 The world still continues. 214 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,840 But what is important is that you gain yourself again and continue. 215 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:21,640 So I think it's very, very important that you own why and then create a system that 216 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:27,320 hopefully that system is actually right after you always do, which is eating is always good 217 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,720 to tag along or drinking coffee or something already existing habit. 218 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,720 You build on to it and make small, very small. 219 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:41,680 If you want to read a book, just read up one page, not a whole chapter, you know. 220 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:47,600 And then every time you finish, you know, we always feel good. 221 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,160 Like an hour of practice afterwards, I feel great. 222 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,480 And I remember that feeling savory. 223 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,880 Just take a moment to think how amazing that feel after workout or after the practice. 224 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:03,080 So every time you feel that resistance, I don't want to work out or I don't want to 225 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,280 practice. 226 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,920 Go ahead to feel that joy. 227 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,400 Think that joy, that moment. 228 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,240 I'm going to feel amazing afterwards. 229 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,280 Then it will be easier for you to go there. 230 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,360 And then the truth is that we are not in the marathon. 231 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,760 You're not going to become Olympian by working out. 232 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,600 You're not, you know, even though there is a miniature goal or long term goal of whatever 233 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,120 we do or piano practicing or maybe concert coming up. 234 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,040 But the real truth is that I love playing piano. 235 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,720 I am playing piano. 236 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:42,800 I'm expressing my love of piano every day by doing it, which means I'm loving this very 237 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:43,800 day. 238 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,400 I think that's the key. 239 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:46,920 You're not going somewhere. 240 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,240 You're thinking so much of a goal, then you lose why you're doing it. 241 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,160 The reason you're doing it because you want to do the very thing. 242 00:15:54,160 --> 00:16:00,760 So thinking about the activity and the reason we are doing it is so that you love your today. 243 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,800 Yeah, great advice. 244 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:07,280 Now, so creating a habit of action, but also movement too. 245 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:11,480 You talk about creating a good habit of your mind, guard your mind. 246 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:18,760 And then so let's talk about the elephant in the room, you know, negativity in our industry. 247 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:27,120 So I sometimes I have quite a good group of students, advanced students, and then they 248 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:34,360 get more harsh criticism than others who are doing it for fun. 249 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:40,360 Now there is a constructive feedback, of course, and then everybody should get that. 250 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:45,840 But there's this insult that is just not really necessary. 251 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,080 And sometimes people say, Oh, don't be so naive. 252 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,280 You know, it's just a little feedback to help you. 253 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,980 But this is actually not really a feedback. 254 00:16:55,980 --> 00:17:00,480 It's not really helpful for anybody, you know, when you something like this to happen. 255 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:01,480 What do you think about this? 256 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:06,920 Yeah, I think when you're young, it's definitely harder because you're forming yourself, your 257 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:14,080 mind and if you have like, you know, very harsh teacher, if which is often in music, 258 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:20,280 unfortunately, the higher their level is, it's harsh, they get and or parents, the more, 259 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,520 you know, harsh parents that is very difficult. 260 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:27,040 So I really empathize that the young people who go through it. 261 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:34,440 But I think we also in the because this is the piano community as well as the dear pianist 262 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,400 that your piano community, let's not be a nerd. 263 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:45,120 Let's not it doesn't matter how so and so plays faster, this tempo and how they phrasing 264 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:46,400 at the end of it. 265 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:47,760 It doesn't matter. 266 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:55,400 But I find that the more classical musicians ourselves are such a hard critic to each other. 267 00:17:55,400 --> 00:18:00,480 They degraded each other and saying, Oh, she's not that good. 268 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,520 I don't know why she got that. 269 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:08,240 Or oh, well, so on, so and so win the competition, which means that there's one last position 270 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,120 in your in your life. 271 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:15,000 Or you know, this scarcity mindset really is toxic. 272 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:21,320 There is enough in this world that world love goes around the all the things you want to 273 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,520 do beyond your imagination if you make that action. 274 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:31,900 So that if you we start to compare each other, competition to each other, that's where it 275 00:18:31,900 --> 00:18:38,280 becomes toxic, whether that the so and so fellow pianist that advanced students think 276 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:43,040 that, oh, well, he plays like, you know, I don't know, he was like, really sound bad, 277 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,920 but he won that that that competition. 278 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:51,800 I don't know what the judge was thinking, whatever that is, that it comes from jealousy 279 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:56,100 and comes from the scarcity mindset and competition to each other. 280 00:18:56,100 --> 00:19:04,080 But if you think that, you know, just for a moment, so and so winning that competition, 281 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,360 did it do anything harm to you? 282 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:09,000 And think it as a joy. 283 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,520 So and so win the competition. 284 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,540 How joyous that is. 285 00:19:13,540 --> 00:19:20,820 If you kind of sense that joy and get a crumb of that joy for yourself, you can actually 286 00:19:20,820 --> 00:19:24,200 make your life so much more joyous. 287 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,840 So then your life is much more positive. 288 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:33,060 And I always find that without retrying, it's going to be always negative. 289 00:19:33,060 --> 00:19:34,880 Just know that it's always going to be negative. 290 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:40,520 So we have to do something about it to be neutral, even at least less negative, because 291 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,480 the world is more negative tendency. 292 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:50,960 So especially negativity from outside world is that I said it's avoiding is not a sign 293 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,600 of weakness. 294 00:19:52,600 --> 00:20:00,120 So because why you keep facing the trash, you just throw it away, rather than, you know, 295 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:03,680 just look at it and talking about it. 296 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:09,920 And I think the best advice that I could give for you for the negativity from outside is 297 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:18,080 unless you accept the negativity into your heart, none of the negativity has that power. 298 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:24,700 It's you allowing the negativity works to your heart. 299 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:29,520 So I think it is important for you to recognize that it's not them. 300 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,920 It's you to allow it. 301 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:38,280 So whenever I go get into the trap all the time, but if so and so or some teacher or 302 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:47,120 some outside of world to be negative towards me, then I chin up and think, try to ignore 303 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:48,480 as much as possible. 304 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,840 Again, it is not criticism, you know, like constructive feedback. 305 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,920 It's coming from love. 306 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,040 It's not coming from love. 307 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:02,700 Then then I recognize that and then try to erase as soon as possible. 308 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:06,680 And also, if I don't allow it, it doesn't have a power. 309 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:13,400 If someone came to your house with all bag of, you know, filthy trash and throw it in 310 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,040 your house, what would you do? 311 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,160 You'll be like, what are you doing? 312 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:27,800 But if you allow other people talking bad, and if you allow that, that means you allow 313 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:33,480 in your living room in this filthy trash to your mind so that you have to protect it. 314 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,880 You are the one who protects it. 315 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,640 There's all the people out there is going to try to throw the garbage inside of your 316 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:40,640 mind. 317 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:46,960 So you're like, vigilant about it, and hopefully there's one last can trash can is coming into 318 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,960 your mind. 319 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,240 And the same goes with our mind, too. 320 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:56,080 We always battle with negative and positive thoughts and negative thoughts are referred 321 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,600 to as cognitive distortions. 322 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,680 So sometimes we exaggerate. 323 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,280 Let's say I made a little mistake on stage and then but in my mind, it's like, oh, my 324 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,600 gosh, that was a fatal mistake. 325 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,720 And I can't recover from that. 326 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,760 In your book, you talk about it, too. 327 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,760 But briefly, can you tell us? 328 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:20,680 I think it is, you know, if we are talking in the context of the performance, performance 329 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,560 anxiety, I would say we have to separate. 330 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:24,560 Are you ready? 331 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,640 Are you ready to perform yet? 332 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:33,740 That's also I'm assuming all the tips that I actually want to give is based on you already 333 00:22:33,740 --> 00:22:39,880 you you all the steps that you made it efficient practice strategy and you are ready to perform. 334 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,160 But still, there is performance anxiety. 335 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,760 That's different thing. 336 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:49,000 So I'm going to assume that you are absolutely ready to perform. 337 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,800 And then then you this this negative voices in your head. 338 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:58,180 And to know that the tiger inside of you never going to go away, no matter how advanced you 339 00:22:58,180 --> 00:23:02,320 are even Horvitz has to kicked out to the stage because he was like, I don't want to 340 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,320 go to the stage. 341 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,000 The manager will kick him out. 342 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:10,080 You know, so it's not a depending on the level of your performance. 343 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:15,360 It's human mind, you know, so just know that our pain is your pain, too. 344 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:17,840 Then it feels a little easier to deal with it. 345 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,320 And then we still have to deal with it, though. 346 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:26,920 And I think that one of the most effective way to any issues that you have in your life, 347 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,560 it's writing down. 348 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,280 Writing gives you gives a cloding to your thoughts. 349 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:37,520 If you only think in your mind that's just floating and, you know, in the randomly bites 350 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:38,520 you. 351 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,800 But if you start to write it down, it feels like, oh, it's nothing. 352 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,560 We, as you said, is we tend to exaggerate. 353 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:49,200 But if you actually grab it down and write it down, what exactly I'm worrying about, 354 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,640 I am worrying about people think that I'm bad. 355 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,400 I'm worrying about if I'm going to make them mistake, you know, so writing down all of 356 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,920 the negative thoughts is bothering you. 357 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:02,880 And define it, define it where this coming from. 358 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,400 Is it coming from my own voice, from my teacher in the past? 359 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,000 What is based on? 360 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:13,640 And then also defend these tendencies with a positive voice like, no, you're going to 361 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,200 be great. 362 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,520 This performance, no matter what, it's going to be a beautiful experience. 363 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:26,640 So you actually come back with this negativity with at least five different positive sentences. 364 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,720 And that exercise helps in the moment of battle. 365 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,920 I battle in the during the performance that, oh, the difficult section coming up. 366 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:41,680 And then this angelic voice that you train so much and think, oh, you got this. 367 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,680 You got this. 368 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,240 And even if you make mistakes, it is just a small, you just pick it up and keep going. 369 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:53,760 You know, all of those ready made, prepared, the positive sentence will help you. 370 00:24:53,760 --> 00:25:01,840 And also write the affirmation sentences saying, I am, I'm excited to play this concert. 371 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,920 I'm going to connect with audience. 372 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:09,400 I love expressing this music or, you know, all of this affirmation sentences that you 373 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,600 say out loud, it's like fake it until make it. 374 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:20,840 And also write a visualization in your actual performance, the most positive way in details 375 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:21,840 on the day. 376 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,800 You write it down, it sits, you know, read it out loud. 377 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:31,080 This visualization technique is not, you know, unknown to other field is sports or Olympian 378 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,920 will do all the time before their game. 379 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:39,520 You know, so you, we have to give a food to the positive positivity more. 380 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,120 Otherwise we all have a tendency to be more negative. 381 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:48,000 So in that comes down to how we use words. 382 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:54,160 I can't emphasize more about the power of words or how you say, whether writing or the 383 00:25:54,160 --> 00:26:00,320 say out loud, you do it with yourself or with others, but mostly saying out loud. 384 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,760 Notice yourself how negatively you are saying, Oh, this is difficult. 385 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,400 Oh, I'm going to make a mistake. 386 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,000 That was horrible. 387 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,160 You think that it would be, it would be okay because you're just telling to yourself, but 388 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,160 it's not. 389 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,320 But very, that moment you're giving the power to the negativity. 390 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:24,040 So even though you think that moment that way, just don't say out loud, then at least 391 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,960 you can make that into a little more power. 392 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:33,620 So even when you're saying with others, notice yourself, are you saying something negative 393 00:26:33,620 --> 00:26:36,800 about this thing with others or someone else? 394 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,800 Are you gosh, are you complaining? 395 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,720 Are you giving a bad energy to someone? 396 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,780 All of these things ultimately come back to you. 397 00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:52,920 So it's all of it is, it's to protect yourself, but it's also creating the environment so 398 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,920 that more positive people are going to come to you. 399 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,560 You know, negative people want to grab the negative people. 400 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,600 They want to gather in the restaurant and talk about negative things. 401 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,240 They love that. 402 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,160 So you don't want to be part of it. 403 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:14,000 If you choose P not to be in that negative group, you know, you will find out the world 404 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,440 is great because there you will see those positive people. 405 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,440 You're doing great. 406 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,440 Oh my gosh. 407 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,440 You're going to do great. 408 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,440 Oh my gosh. 409 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,440 I'm so excited for your project. 410 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,440 Well, I can't wait to be there in your concert. 411 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,560 They're not going to come back to you and I go, oh my gosh, that's going to be so difficult. 412 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,520 How are you going to fund that? 413 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,280 You create your own environment. 414 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,460 That's the only way. 415 00:27:34,460 --> 00:27:39,160 And then, you know, going to movement three of your book, you talk about create dream 416 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,760 play and then what struck me was the quote. 417 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,360 You say, what is success? 418 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,600 What does that success life look like to me? 419 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,480 What is to you? 420 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,040 You know, it's very difficult to live in this time of era. 421 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,400 Everything is pneumatic, you know. 422 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,440 So some people will say if you make X amount of money, that you are successful. 423 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,200 If you're like a hundred hundred thousand a year is that successful? 424 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,120 Is it two hundred thousand then successful? 425 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:09,120 Is it eighty thousand? 426 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:10,640 Then it's not successful. 427 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,800 If you have a thousand, you know, hundred thousand followers, is that successful? 428 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,800 If you win number one competition and then Cliven, is that successful? 429 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,000 It may look successful to our eye. 430 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,520 It's like, yeah, we'd love to win that competition. 431 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,440 But then why do they are depressed? 432 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,480 Why some people commit suicide? 433 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,440 You know, they have millions and millions in their bank account. 434 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:44,160 So, you know, I hope that we are not limiting ourselves to being happy only if you accomplish 435 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:50,720 something tangible or expect of you, because that's a dangerous trap, because you can never 436 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:51,840 get enough. 437 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,840 If you get X amount, you need another. 438 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,440 If you have a hundred thousand of spending, then you will. 439 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,620 Your spending is so much that you need a two hundred thousand, you know. 440 00:29:01,620 --> 00:29:09,840 So I think it's very, very important for us to think life as a game, that all of your 441 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:17,640 projects, all of these things, like it's fun game, you know, you push it as much as possible 442 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,640 with all intensity. 443 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,520 But then the outcome is not out of your control. 444 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:29,280 If it's it's it's you just detaching yourself self value with what you do. 445 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:34,880 I don't think that my dream of success is not depending on what I do. 446 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,280 Yes, I do play piano. 447 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,200 I do all these things, but it's not measure of my success. 448 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,280 My success is the status of my being. 449 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:50,440 I do what I love to do in my life daily basis. 450 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:56,840 My picture of success is not shaken by, you know, if I don't make that money or if I don't 451 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:03,520 get that concert or I fail something, it's not depending on that. 452 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:14,280 I want to keep my mind content, happy, simple, calm and able to generate myself a self energy 453 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:20,040 of life so that I'm in a happy place on a daily basis. 454 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,920 You know, who can say to you, you are successful? 455 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:30,120 I mean, they're not they're they're not living my life if I say I'm happy. 456 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,120 I am. 457 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,920 That's a success. 458 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:38,400 So I really believe that you can be successful today. 459 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:44,080 As of now, it's because it's based on your mind. 460 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:49,100 So I want to get to your the recent project, see you very soon. 461 00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:54,680 But then I think the lockdown of 2020 had something to do with it, probably to get to 462 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:55,680 that project. 463 00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,400 So when I read your book, I kept all the quotes from the book. 464 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,280 So let me quote one more. 465 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,400 So you're saying in the book, we may need to find ways to deliver the core values of 466 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,880 what we do without physical contact. 467 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:16,280 Even after this crisis, many jobs have disappeared and new ones have been and are being created. 468 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:21,360 As much as it can be daunting and frustrating, it can also be liberating to reset one's life 469 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,360 course. 470 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,100 The change is already here. 471 00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:28,840 And we just have to be much more active and forward thinking to accept it. 472 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:34,800 And quote, so I could not help but say amen out loud after reading that specific quote, 473 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:40,000 because I feel the same way and how but how can we keep the classical music tradition 474 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,080 while the world changes so rapidly? 475 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,680 First, we need to change with the change. 476 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,280 We can't just be stubborn. 477 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:58,920 Our classical musicians are also in heart, right, because we are dealing with Bach and 478 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:04,720 Mozart and love, you know, we can be in touch with those music because we have that soul 479 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,300 in us. 480 00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:08,480 But we're only moving forward. 481 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,360 We're not going back to 1800, where one of the piano recitals is the most exciting thing 482 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,160 happening in their life. 483 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,920 So we have to kind of reassess where are we. 484 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,280 You know, the good news is that what we're doing, as I said, the classical music is has 485 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,720 the ultimate power and beauty, which is timeless. 486 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,760 So be confident with this content. 487 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,680 If we are selling, I don't know, like a laundry machine or something, you know, if you're 488 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,360 really confident this laundry machine is the best in the world, you will sell it. 489 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,360 Right. 490 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,720 Same thing with the classical music has such a beauty and power. 491 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:46,920 You believe in it. 492 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,760 So then we have to just find a way to deliver. 493 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:58,040 You know, I believe that people go crazy over Mozart and Chopin or Rachmaninoff. 494 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,280 We just have to tweak the delivery. 495 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:08,400 No more straightforward recital, you just show up and, you know, no talk at all and 496 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,400 play intermission. 497 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,400 And yes, that tradition is still going and there are some people going too. 498 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,200 But you that's the danger right there because the presenters and the concert boards are 499 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:25,720 older and older and the younger generation don't even bother to even go there. 500 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,520 But it's still continue. 501 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:33,080 I think we have to think about people focused. 502 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:40,720 You as a person who has a messenger, you know, so I think that change might be more connection 503 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:46,800 based, you know, people want connection as much as we have this fancy devices and all 504 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,480 and all of that. 505 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:56,560 But we still want to be, you know, cozy up and hearing, listen, really listen, you know. 506 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:03,200 So I think when I even create an album, I create a manual, album manual, which is a 507 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:09,480 very simple manual, which is can you spare an hour from your life, not as a background 508 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:17,320 of music when you're cooking, but actually using good sound system and read each paragraph 509 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:23,080 that I wrote about this piece and close your eyes and dive into an experience. 510 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,880 Isn't that just simple? 511 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,840 But nobody ever told them, nobody ever told them how to listen. 512 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:35,920 They thought like music is something they hear in while they'll drive, you know. 513 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:41,360 But since we know how to listen, because we know the beauty of live music or just hearing 514 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:46,200 someone play in front of you in the living room, that connection. 515 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:55,440 So we wanted to, as a teacher mind or friend, empathetic mind, that you have to open yourself 516 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:01,840 to people, the vulnerability, like the belief in the power of storytelling. 517 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,420 The storytelling can be, you know, I love this piece. 518 00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:09,600 I hate this piece too, you know, because this is such a technical challenges. 519 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,880 It's like, it drives me crazy. 520 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:17,760 Better read it, start storytelling, you know, or open up your life and ask them to join 521 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,360 into the experience. 522 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,360 Passion is contagious. 523 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,080 If I think like, oh my gosh, this piece drives so good. 524 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,160 And then they'll be like, oh, what is it? 525 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,440 No, because I am so passionately talking about it. 526 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:38,120 So being a missionary of classical music, I believe that any small effort doesn't have 527 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:43,880 to be anything fancy or visual or illustration, doesn't have to be anything. 528 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:49,120 We just make small tweak to want to connect. 529 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:54,040 That makes a big difference to the audience, especially the young audience. 530 00:35:54,040 --> 00:36:00,800 And keep thinking about how could you deliver that music, how to set it up so people can 531 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,040 experience the deeper way. 532 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,400 We are not changing this one to the new age. 533 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,360 We are not going to be held all of a sudden drum set next to piano. 534 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,840 Music is going to be right there, there, you know? 535 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:21,520 I think what we want to do is that just how to get there and empathetic way, connect way, 536 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,720 warm and friendly, you know? 537 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:29,040 And then thinking as a, how much barrier can I get rid of? 538 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:35,000 Is this bowing in between pieces necessary, intermission necessary? 539 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000 Is it clapping in between necessary? 540 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,080 Question every tradition other than music itself. 541 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:47,800 Question it and try to different and experiment and see if people respond differently. 542 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,160 You know, then they want to feel you. 543 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,160 They want to feel you who delivers. 544 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:59,240 Yes, they care about Mozart, but not as much as you. 545 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:07,440 So, bring yourself into a delivery man, a messenger, open up yourself, then people will 546 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,440 get it. 547 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,360 People will get the Mozart no matter what. 548 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,360 Right. 549 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:16,600 So, where does your this gift of seeing hope and despair and possibilities and failure 550 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,600 come from? 551 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:24,840 But, you know, I don't believe in toxic positivity either and you're not in denial of failures 552 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,200 and despair, right? 553 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,800 So where does this come from? 554 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,040 Is it therapy? 555 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,960 Is that a meditation you do or philosophy, philosophy you read? 556 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,880 Or is it some sort of a religious belief? 557 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,000 What is it? 558 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:44,780 I do believe the resilience that I have is strength that I have as something that probably 559 00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:47,840 I cultivated throughout my life. 560 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:53,160 You know, I cannot say I only have difficult times because we all have difficult times 561 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,360 of life. 562 00:37:54,360 --> 00:38:02,240 So, but I'm so thankful that my parents who gave me unconditional love so that I could 563 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:11,000 learn to love myself in the first place and not rely on others to give me that value to 564 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,000 me. 565 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:19,200 So, whenever the storm of my life hits me in a hard way, since I care for my life, my 566 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:26,520 own, I got up, started to walk again, knowing that life goes on, that it's still beautiful 567 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,720 as it is today. 568 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:34,400 You know, funny but something I learned that when I was young about like going to dentists, 569 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,800 you know, like as much as I hated going to there, my mom always reminded me that, you 570 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,920 know, the dental problem never goes away on its own, only worse and over time, right? 571 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,000 Better go and fix it now. 572 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,660 And I think it's similar to life. 573 00:38:49,660 --> 00:38:52,120 Life is short and finite. 574 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,560 I wish it could last forever, but it doesn't. 575 00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:03,240 You know, so in more days you waste with the negativity, the last days you would enjoy 576 00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:05,640 this beautiful time on earth. 577 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:13,600 And I think this limit of life gives one perspective of appreciation of what we already have. 578 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:19,320 But I also want to add that that is coming from all kinds of conscious training throughout 579 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,680 my life, especially in the efforts to see positive, being careful with words that I 580 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:32,520 said with others, writing and journaling all the time, being aware of my own voices through 581 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:38,920 meditation, daily meditation, and of course, always trying to learn something wisdom from 582 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:44,120 all of the people in my life that has a broader perspective. 583 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,600 And life is never easy. 584 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:52,160 But I think it's definitely some pathway that we can learn. 585 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,520 You know, meditation was in the thousand years of history, yoga was thousands of years of 586 00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:02,520 history that all people use somehow to deal with this life. 587 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:08,880 And then we can learn from those wisdoms and adapt and make it easier for ourselves. 588 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,120 And I think, you know, I believe music is one of it to make it all better, you know. 589 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,120 Right, right. 590 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,120 Absolutely. 591 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,040 Hey, friends and listeners, the piano part is in its third season. 592 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:25,840 Thanks to all of you for watching or listening to every episode since the launch in 2020. 593 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,200 I started this show with a simple question I have had in mind for quite some time, which 594 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:38,940 is how can we as classical pianists and music educators present the beautiful tradition 595 00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:45,280 of classical music to the 21st century audience in a fun, contemporary and engaging way? 596 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,160 It's been an incredible journey for the last three years. 597 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:53,560 And I love what I do through this podcast, providing a platform for pianists and educators 598 00:40:53,560 --> 00:41:00,320 to think and discuss freely without any judgment about how we can keep the 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you, you will receive the Piano Paws fun logo sticker in the mail. 608 00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,360 So please support my show today and don't forget to subscribe to my channel, continue 609 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,480 listening and tell your friends and colleagues about the Piano Paws. 610 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,080 Let's continue with this episode. 611 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,120 We were released from the lockdown. 612 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,760 It's the Siam. 613 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,120 We did the concert, which is, is it a concert, right? 614 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:22,760 And 2022 and then you're doing it again in Carnegie Hall, June 7th and tickets will be 615 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,360 available very soon or is it already available? 616 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:32,280 If this is air after March 7th, it will be available to purchase today. 617 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,480 Okay, perfect. 618 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,820 Now can you tell us about the Siam? 619 00:42:35,820 --> 00:42:36,820 What is it about? 620 00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:41,400 Yeah, so well, this is my returning appearance in Carnegie Hall. 621 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,320 I'm so excited about it. 622 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:48,920 So if you're in New York or if you need an excuse to come to New York, please use it 623 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,000 as an excuse. 624 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,520 This project is my COVID baby. 625 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:03,720 It took almost two years to make it into your appearance, first of experience to the public 626 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:10,960 and she means poetry and um is first part of umak, which means music in Korean. 627 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,320 So my idea started as I wanted to use poetry. 628 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:21,360 I never tried poetry and I wanted to try the poetry and then when I thought of it, I loved 629 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,360 that idea. 630 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,800 Although I had no idea what is poetry. 631 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,040 English is not even my main language when I was just like tackling this words, you know, 632 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,280 writing a book and courageous moves. 633 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:39,920 But to me, I always thought music is poetry and poetry is music with, with the words, 634 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:46,480 you know, that succinct process of editing and editing and editing and practicing and 635 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:53,200 practicing and practicing making into something that polished delivery is very much some in 636 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,720 line with the class of music. 637 00:43:55,720 --> 00:44:04,120 And so I wanted to pair with the poem per piece and that process was not really easy, 638 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:09,900 very rocky at first actually because I commissioned entire like 13 pieces in my album or a concert 639 00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:15,160 or one poem, which I'm going to not tell who because I did not like any of it. 640 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:20,360 What he did and I was really desperate because I thought creating something new would be 641 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,240 the way to go. 642 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:27,600 But then I was not connected with it that he did and then I was in a very difficult 643 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:28,600 place. 644 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:29,600 What now? 645 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:36,960 You know, um, so then I had to dig deeper and I asked you so many advices and realized 646 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,560 that still I am the messenger. 647 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,660 I am the creator. 648 00:44:41,660 --> 00:44:47,840 So whatever I feel the most strongly match with the piece, that's all we need. 649 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:53,440 I'm not looking for the greatest poem in the world or in this history. 650 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,960 I'm not looking for that poem. 651 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,320 I'm looking for the poem that reflects the very feeling that I'm trying to convey in 652 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,080 that very piece of music. 653 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,580 It's only I can know very best in my interpretation. 654 00:45:05,580 --> 00:45:10,660 So then I gain a little bit of strength to in the choosing. 655 00:45:10,660 --> 00:45:16,840 So the 13 different poems that I selected are some from the past poet that passed away 656 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,800 or the newly commissioned that which I actually liked. 657 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:25,140 So each one is a self selected or some poems already existed. 658 00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:27,440 And then I asked for permission. 659 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:33,920 And then afterwards that I thought, Oh, what if I have created something to hold this music 660 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:41,120 to hold at home, which was came about very randomly from, from a friend of mine who's 661 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:46,560 a photographer in his sixties is now in eight late eighties. 662 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,000 And he showed me this box of negatives, you know, black and white film photography and 663 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,000 I was like, what's this? 664 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,460 You know, and it's like almost like a throw away. 665 00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:58,960 And I was looking into it, into the, into the light. 666 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,040 And I was thinking like, Oh my gosh, what is this thing? 667 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,560 All the nature of photography he took, you know, film photography goes so much layers 668 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:13,640 to you go to dark room and develop from negatives, going to the same spot multiple times to get 669 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,400 that perfect shot. 670 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,160 It's not like digital that you can take thousands and one. 671 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,560 And when I saw his photography, it was so poetic. 672 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,960 Sometimes it's the sunlight reflecting something. 673 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,200 You don't even recognize what that is, but then you make you think. 674 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:35,600 And that was the place that I'm going to hold this all three elements together. 675 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:41,800 So in my sheen project on concert and an album, there is one nature, black and white film 676 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,880 photography projected on the screen. 677 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:51,020 Before I play, I tell about the story or sometimes recite the poem that I selected. 678 00:46:51,020 --> 00:46:56,960 And then out of this project that I created, you know, nowadays people say they don't have 679 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,960 a CD player and in fact, I don't even have a CD player anymore. 680 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:08,180 So that is like, but as a recording artists, like that's really heart wrenching in reality. 681 00:47:08,180 --> 00:47:13,720 So then I thought I still want to create, but we still want to create a music. 682 00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:20,680 So I created this package, which is the postcards, 13 different postcards match per piece, 13 683 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:28,640 different poems, and then there's download card of this album and then the backup postcard 684 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:36,280 that my request or idea of this packaging was that think of someone when you listen 685 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:42,920 to this music, along with the poetry and photography, write a note to that person on that postcard 686 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,960 and send it to that person. 687 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,620 There's a QR code on the back of postcard and that person can also listen to my album. 688 00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:54,200 So this project starts on my end side, but end on your side. 689 00:47:54,200 --> 00:48:01,760 And that's like the way of interacting with the audience that they may not see me in person. 690 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:07,960 And I love that idea that again, start from the poetry, so random idea, but then turning 691 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:15,800 into something beyond imagination and turning into some beautiful thing that I can share. 692 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:25,160 But on top of all of it, what I wanted to share, maybe that Scalar di Sonata, that maybe 693 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:31,480 all of that is that I wanted to share that very piece Rachmaninoff a better way. 694 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:38,200 So I explained all this process, but at the end of it, the music is the reason I did it. 695 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:45,640 So at Carnegie Hall, you'll be maybe without the photos, but somebody will be reading the 696 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:46,640 poem. 697 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,080 I am the reading. 698 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,560 In my concert, there's always a signature thing, which is a microphone on stage. 699 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:59,440 So sometimes people are very uncomfortable because I often don't give out program at 700 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,240 the beginning, but give out at the end when they walk out. 701 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:06,440 The idea is again, you don't have to know anything. 702 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,720 Let me guide you. 703 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:09,720 Just let it go. 704 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:10,720 Let it go. 705 00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:14,200 You want to know the future in 20 minutes from now. 706 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,840 You must be there. 707 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:23,160 I prepared this one so thoroughly beforehand for you, even from the appetizer to dessert. 708 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:28,440 So just take me into, take you to the experience. 709 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,000 And so I will recite poem sometimes. 710 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:36,220 I tell you some story about a piece, but the more importantly, you will get a deeper level 711 00:49:36,220 --> 00:49:42,320 of experience of the very piece that you never heard or you heard a thousand times already. 712 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,480 So that's going to be experienced in Carnegie Hall. 713 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,960 Fortunately, there's not going to be a photography, but I'm on tour of Shium still currently. 714 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,920 And you most more likely if you catch me, you will have that photography. 715 00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,320 And if you can catch me, you can always, you know, purchase an album or the postcards and 716 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,120 experience on your own way in your living room. 717 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,940 And I think in April, I forgot the date, but if you come to my website, there's another 718 00:50:07,940 --> 00:50:10,280 concert coming up in Chicago. 719 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,720 So the Shium is coming in Chicago as well. 720 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:15,720 Wonderful. 721 00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:20,280 Make sure to check out Jiyun's website at jiyunkim.com. 722 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:21,280 Yeah. 723 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,960 Best way to connect with me is through newsletter. 724 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:32,280 And so you can sign up on that on my website where I write once maybe two or three weeks 725 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,040 about things that I've learned in that week. 726 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:43,040 So it's about like ongoing process of communicating with people in a written world, which is the 727 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,760 most fitting for me actually, besides talking. 728 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:52,400 I mean, today was very much a fitting in my alley. 729 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,800 But I think that would be the closest way to stay connected. 730 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,800 Of course, you can follow me Instagram or YouTube and podcasts and all that. 731 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:05,440 But I think the most intimate way and direct will be newsletter. 732 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,440 That's great. 733 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,400 So then the tickets for that Carnegie will be available very soon. 734 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,800 I mean, by the time this episode will be released, it's up. 735 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:18,820 So it's the concert at the Wild Hall Carnegie on June 7th. 736 00:51:18,820 --> 00:51:20,800 And then I hope to be there also. 737 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,040 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 738 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:29,080 So Jiyun, this has been such a fun and inspirational competition, really. 739 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,300 And I enjoyed it every moment. 740 00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:32,480 So thank you so much. 741 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,080 So before I let you go, we have one more thing to do. 742 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,680 It's called the piano part rapid fire questions. 743 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,840 So this is a part of the show where I get to ask fun questions to each guest. 744 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,860 Now here's a little bit of running. 745 00:51:44,860 --> 00:51:50,520 So as fun and as silly as these questions may sound, your answers may reveal who truly 746 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:51,520 are. 747 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:52,520 So are you ready? 748 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:53,520 Oh, good. 749 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,520 Yeah. 750 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,240 What is your comfort food? 751 00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:57,240 Ramen. 752 00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:58,240 Mm hmm. 753 00:51:58,240 --> 00:51:59,240 Yes. 754 00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:00,920 How do you like your coffee? 755 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,720 Oh, I like matcha. 756 00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:04,120 Oh yes. 757 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,120 That's great. 758 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,600 Now, cats or dogs? 759 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,400 Oh, tricky. 760 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,680 I'm always cat person at heart. 761 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:13,680 Okay. 762 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,640 But I love dogs too. 763 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,920 What is your word or words to live by? 764 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:19,960 Peace. 765 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,320 What is the most important quality you look for in other people? 766 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,760 Honesty. 767 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,200 Name three people who inspire you, living or dead. 768 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:31,920 All the people you may not know. 769 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:37,000 Well, my teacher, Ray Gunn-Eriki from Indiana University. 770 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,960 David Bremer was my mentor who passed away. 771 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,720 I think it's my mom. 772 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:44,760 Beautiful. 773 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,000 So name one piece in your current playlist. 774 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:55,880 Oh, I listened to yesterday, our Ensky Piano Trio and I couldn't get enough of it. 775 00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:01,560 I think it's a third movement scherzo, you know, I love that. 776 00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,240 Now the last one, fill in the blank. 777 00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:06,440 Music is blank. 778 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,040 Gift from God. 779 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,040 Beautiful. 780 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,040 Ding ding. 781 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,040 That's it. 782 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,040 You won. 783 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,040 Thank you. 784 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,600 Thank you so much. 785 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,240 So this concludes this episode of the Piano Fall. 786 00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:22,280 Thank you, Ji-Yoon, for joining my show today and then sharing your stories, insights, expertise. 787 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:27,120 And you can find more information about Ji-Yoon's work through her website at jiunkim.com. 788 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,560 And please check out her YouTube channel at Ji-Yoon Kim Pianist. 789 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,200 And thank you to my wonderful audience and fans for tuning in. 790 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:39,320 If you enjoyed today's episode, please rate and review it on whatever podcasting platform 791 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:40,320 you use. 792 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,280 And if you're watching us on YouTube, remember to hit the thumbs up button and subscribe 793 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,320 to my channel. 794 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,760 You can also find my show on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and LinkedIn. 795 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,120 The links are listed in the show notes. 796 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,600 I will see you for the next episode of the Piano Fall. 797 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,880 Bye everyone and thank you, Ji-Yoon. 798 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:56,880 Thank you. 799 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:57,880 Thank you. 800 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:21,880 Thank you.