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You are listening to the PianoPod, where we talk to the brightest minds in the industry

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about how they are bringing the piano into the 21st century.

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Hi, everybody.

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Welcome back to the PianoPod.

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I'm Yukimi Song.

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I'm Clara Jem.

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And I am Eric Hunter.

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All right.

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How are you guys doing?

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Hi!

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Mike, is this?

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Here we are.

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So let me explain.

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This episode is a special episode, bonus episode, to celebrate our 10th episode of...

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Oh my gosh, we made it to 10.

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Yay!

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10th episode!

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So what are we doing today, Eric?

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Oh, so we are having happy hour.

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Hey, cheers everyone!

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That's right.

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This is called the PianoPod happy hour episode.

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And basically, that's right, we're basically reviewing the past from the introductory

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episode to episode number five.

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We're gonna just talk about them and laugh about them, our success and failures.

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Yeah.

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Funny failures in the early episodes on our part.

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For sure, even recently.

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But you know, we learn from the failures.

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So I'm excited about this episode.

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And well, basically, we are good friends, right?

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Totally.

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Yeah, even before we started this podcasting, we were really close friends.

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We got to know each other.

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And then just, you know, this past summer, we just decided to do this.

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Well, pandemic hit, we had to, we're so used to being productive, right?

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So we had to do something.

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For the world, really.

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And good for our souls too.

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Yeah, I mean, I'll say it's been really great for me.

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I mean, this podcast has become, it almost feels like my full time job.

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I mean, it is and we do a lot of other things, all three of us.

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But we're just really dedicated to it.

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And we put a lot of time into it.

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It feels like really satisfying.

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We get to talk to amazing people, become better friends, learn so much.

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And once again, we have to thank you, Kimi, because it was her brainchild.

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Exactly.

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Oh, totally.

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Honestly, I, somebody told me when I wasn't studying at NYU, back in 2007, 2008, this

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professor, and he said, you should do podcasting.

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I was like, all right, what is podcasting?

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At the time I was like, cool, less.

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And he said, it's basically a radio show, but it's a little bit more casual approach.

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And I was like, okay, because he knew that I had a communications background in terms

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of my degree.

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So I was like, well, but you know, I just moved to New York City.

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I had basically, I had no one.

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So I had to start my own life before I can launch anything.

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So that idea was there, but it was just gone, you know, for at that moment, at that time.

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Then obviously the pandemic happens and I was trying to do a video, V-log, or hoping

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to do a podcast for my own piano studio and featuring my student.

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However, the thing is, it was great.

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It went very well.

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But after XO2-3, it's like, who is going to be on my show?

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Because these are all my students and I have only, you know what I mean?

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And then some students are only nine, 10.

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What are they going to talk about?

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How was your day?

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How was your piano practice?

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So then, you know, I was like, oh, but I wish I could do this in a podcast.

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I wish I could continue.

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Then one day it hit me, hmm, you know, we usually meet once a month.

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Well, this is Eric's idea, the open forum, where we talk about piano, you know, in so

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many topics related to piano.

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I was like, why?

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How can we, why don't we bring this into a different platform instead of just meeting

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together as a group in New York City?

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That we can, you know, do this globally, globally, eventually.

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And we have been.

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I'm going to talk about this more, but we've had some great global outreach with this podcast,

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which I'm very proud of.

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And it's really amazing, the people that you can reach through the power of the internet.

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But, but yeah, I just, you know, open forum was really nice and we were having it in person

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and I've tried to continue it virtually.

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And we've had some very good conversations, but you know, like the previous summer we

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had a barbecue here.

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We had like wine on the rooftop and that was really fun.

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And so yeah, it definitely left a hole and we couldn't get together anymore.

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You know, it's taken on a life of its own.

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I know.

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And actually I am, this is more than what I expected.

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What I am, I am learning or gaining from this whole experience is such a passion project

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Every episode is like a masterclass.

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I mean, in a way I almost feel like we're more connected now than ever before.

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I mean, I always go came to the forum when Eric used to have it for breakfast at his

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house, you know, he cook us great breakfast and we talk about piano or related.

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Kimmy is always there.

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I was like, well, I would just call in, you know, and then after that we started to have

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more calling in and the pandemic hit and everything was just online.

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And you know, I mean, really like you can restart this and this is just amazing.

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You know, we get to be so close and kind of motivate each other and you know, some days

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are good, some days are not great, but yet we have each other.

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That's the best, you know, so we're not alone in it.

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I should mention to our audience that you guys don't know because we only put out content

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once or twice a month, but the three of us are talking all day long about piano pot because

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there's so much to do in editing episodes, finding new guests, setting up interviews,

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social media takes up a ton of time, which is mostly Clara and Yukimi, I have to say.

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Newsletter, newsletters, Spotify playlist.

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And even finding guests sometimes, you know, takes, starting at the first episode, we had

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to read the whole book, a psychology book, and I was like, oh my goodness.

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Fortunately that was during the summer.

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Although it was well worth the read.

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It was good.

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I loved it.

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It was just funny.

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But honestly, he's the one.

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Well, so because of the podcast, V-LOG I was doing and he saw the link, our first guest,

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Dr. John Skidmore.

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And he's the one, he says, I want to be on the show, but I told him, well, this is, this

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show V-LOG I am doing for my piano studio.

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It's called Conversations with a Piano Student is for piano students.

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So not for, right, cheers.

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So not for, you know, professionals.

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So you know, then that actually gave me, you know, idea of, let me talk to Eric and Clara,

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you know, they're really close friends and I trust them.

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And actually I've known Clara for a long time.

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Oh my God.

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A long time.

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I know.

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I remember I came to your house for Christmas one time.

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It was like the most miserable year in my life.

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I didn't know too many people yet here.

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I was like, she's so nice.

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We were all a bunch of lonely people that Christmas together.

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We came to New York with a simple dream to be a musician, you know, and I think we should

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be so proud of ourselves.

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You know, that's right.

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By the way, guys, what are you drinking tonight?

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I'm drinking red wine blend.

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It's a blend of Merlot and something else.

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I ordered a case from this company.

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Well, it's a COVID style.

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We're inside.

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We can't be.

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I am going to pour a little out.

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I started last time when I had our happy hour.

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It's a blue note.

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I figured it has music on it.

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It's bourbon.

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I don't want to drink something this heavy for our show.

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Eric, what about yours?

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I'm going to have a good time.

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So I have to admit I'm not really a beer drinker, but I have here a Schaffer Hoffer.

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I like that one.

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But I mean, this is basically juice.

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It's grapefruit beer, you know, right.

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Hey, great.

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Anyway, so before we get too drunk, so let's get going.

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What I want to talk about is what went wrong with the first episode.

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Do we start from what went wrong?

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We have to admit to our mistakes.

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Dr. Skinmore was a great guest with amazing material.

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And we had a pre-meeting where we had multiple pre-meetings, right?

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I don't think we had so many meetings with subsequent guests and read the book.

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So excited.

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And guys, anyone who's listening, seriously, if you haven't checked out his stuff yet,

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you really have to.

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It is absolutely life changing.

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His book is Conquer Anxiety.

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Conquer Anxiety.

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We actually even recorded it before we did the intro to the piano pod.

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This is Who We Are.

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And boy, we messed up a lot.

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What's the big number one mess?

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What's the number one problem?

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So first of all, just to like cut ourselves a little bit of slack, it turns out it's actually

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very difficult to do an interview show online because we don't want to be talking over each

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other because it's Zoom.

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It's not like we're together in person with a single camera where that kind of thing works

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itself out.

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We were worried about like messing up the audio feed by having people, by having crosstalk.

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It turns out it's not that much of a problem.

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It's a very serious topic, right?

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To begin with.

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But we let Dr. Skidmore talk for 20 minutes straight, which is like, yeah, that was like

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hard on him, first of all.

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I think he just felt like he had to keep going.

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I mean, we were not experienced interviewers at the time.

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I also want to say we're respectful, right?

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It's like when I talk to my third cousin, I don't even want to jump in sometimes, right?

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When you listen to a lecture, you don't want to just interfere, right?

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That was the other thing.

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He didn't stop long enough for us to kind of catch our breaths and get in there again

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because we were inexperienced with that.

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So he just kept going and going until finally we're like, oh my God.

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The microphone was catching the squeaky sound.

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So every single second of the speaker view was on Eric.

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That was before we did recording both speaker view and gallery view, right?

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Exactly.

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So we only had one recording and it was of my face half the time, not saying anything.

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So that was pretty embarrassing.

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It was hard.

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That was one of the hardest episodes.

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Yeah, that was the first episode that Ukiime ever edited because Ukiime does all the video

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editing, which is a huge job and she had the biggest job with this first episode.

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Which is a disaster visually.

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Yeah.

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And it was like hot summer day.

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Everybody's out partying and Ukiime is spending 10 hours a day at home editing.

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Oh yeah, totally.

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Yeah.

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So for anybody who's just listened to it and has not checked out our YouTube channel, if

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you want to see me looking totally incompetent, there you go.

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Well, also...

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Go ahead, Claire.

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Because it's just coming to the point that we didn't really know how to chime in.

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And I remember so vividly, I had that episode.

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I keep on seeing that green box, keep on going to Eric, but I didn't have the courage, let's

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say, to even just speak up because I was just so worried we're recording.

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I did about to mess up.

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But had I just said something, everything could have been fixed.

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So it's just talking about experience.

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Yeah, live and learn.

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Right, exactly.

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And also what makes me laugh is the introductory video.

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Oh yeah.

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So that was our next taping.

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Right.

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Oh, Mr. Percival.

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I'm like so nervous, right?

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So and then reading every word on that script that we created.

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So I was like, yeah, hi, my name is Yuzumi.

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Nice to meet you.

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That's the way I would say it.

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I just watched it right before this because I wanted to go back.

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It wasn't so bad.

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Really?

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Yeah, it wasn't so bad.

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But it is true that we've tried to really figure out a better balance between how to

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script things and how to be more spur of the moment because scripted stuff generally doesn't

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turn out well.

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But of course, we want to make sure we hit the most important points with every guess

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so we have our notes at least.

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That's something we're getting better at.

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Right.

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But you know what jumped out to me when I watched it was that you were tiny.

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Oh, I was really far.

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Yeah, far away.

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Yeah, that was before we kind of adjusted where we were sitting.

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Exactly.

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And how my head was like, oh, the camera.

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I remember showing to my mother and she was like, where is your forehead?

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Oh yeah.

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So that's funny.

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Well, we're learning, you know, step at a time, right?

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Yeah, exactly.

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We're getting better.

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That's right.

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So that was the first episode.

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So that was the first episode.

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So that was the intro.

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And then episode two is Vera Anselmo.

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That's right.

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Who, which I knew personally, because Vera was my boss for three years when I first moved

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to New York and, you know, we kept a good relationship.

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And I think Eric brought, you know, Vera out in the beginning.

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And I mean, she's kind of well known piano business owner and she owns a lot of schools.

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So we brought her in and it was great episode, except there's so many ideas and we had, you

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know, we wanted to make it casual, but it just ends up being story after story after

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story.

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And I think it also became kind of difficult for Yukimi to edit later on because we didn't

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really have a defined.

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Like now we kind of have, you know, for those audience that are have been following us for

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a while.

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Now we kind of have a sort of a setup, right?

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We have a past, present, future, and we have, you know, how we come in.

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But in the beginning, we were just, especially after the first episode, we were like, oh,

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let's try to be a little more casual.

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And I remember I had to stop the interview in the middle, which I think eventually did

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help a little bit.

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And we were like, okay, let's take a chill pill for a second.

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And then we restarted.

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And I remember that was, you know, that was the first time we were kind of even brave

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enough to do something, you know?

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Right.

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Yeah.

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What was your experience with this guys?

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This is like an absolute.

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Honestly, that's the episode I realized, maybe we shouldn't have had that really long, meaningful

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pre-interview meeting because the pre-interview meeting was just so amazing.

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I mean, it was great.

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Yeah.

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Don't get me wrong.

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But it was great.

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So I think that's the time.

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Hmm.

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Maybe we can have, but we kept going with going on with this long pre-interview meeting for

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a while anyway.

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But I think that's a time that I realized maybe.

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Yeah.

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But I think, you know, Vera, Ms. Anselmo is an experienced interviewee.

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That's true.

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She was so great.

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She was amazing.

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She was a great speaker.

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Yep.

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And I love her toughness in terms of building the business and managing even during the COVID.

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Sure.

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But.

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She has such a great attitude.

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I know.

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I know.

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Oh, I love her strengths, but she has this such a warm quality, like almost like a mother,

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like motherly quality.

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I really love that.

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And she says something amazing, amazing thing, you know, toward the end of the interview

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about COVID.

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And it was a good timing too.

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I thought the way she spoke about COVID and like, you know, so many musicians are suffering

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through this, but the way she talked about it, she had so much grace, you know?

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And it was just really beautiful.

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Just take it in stride, you know, see it as a time to reflect.

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I mean, okay.

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I understand there are people who can't pay their bills and people can't eat.

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It's like, my brother is on, he's an unemployed musician.

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He's literally on unemployment.

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It's stressful.

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That's a lot of musicians these days.

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But I think her point was, you know, there's only so much we can control.

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Right.

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Try to get something out of this.

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That's gonna, you know, so you're going to be better off.

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Right.

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Things go back to normal, whatever the new normal may be.

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Yeah.

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So, I mean, really it was a perfect candidate for our second episode.

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You know, it was even inspiring for us, right?

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Like we just started this project.

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And then, I mean, also Vera, you know, again, I know her so all these years, she often works

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with young musicians who just came out of school.

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You know, she took a call from me or she took an email from me and she just called back

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like next morning and gave me a job.

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And I remember, you know, like, so you're so inexperienced when you first moved to New

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York and she was like, okay, let's do it.

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You know, you took a call and so that was really good.

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And yeah, I was glad.

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Well, I'm sure she picked up on your good energy.

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You know, there's no way she just does that with anybody, you know.

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Sure.

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Yeah, yeah, of course.

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Yeah.

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So nice.

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You guys always encouraging.

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So let's talk about Mike Grande, episode number three.

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What do you think about that?

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Cheers to that.

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Yes.

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Cheers to that.

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Yes.

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All of that finally, that was that was like the first step for me to discover what we

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want to do and who we are.

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Like like really the first step.

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Like, okay, we wanted to do podcast about piano and beyond for sure.

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But there are so many other podcasts out there about piano.

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Yeah, I think my ground days episode really open up to our own niche or branding, but

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we are not quite sure yet.

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But that was like the first step.

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What do you think, guys?

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Yeah, I felt it was the first time we got our stride as our hitter stride as interviewers.

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And it's interesting because Mike is just he works all day long on rock out loud live.

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I mean, he's just you can just see his online activity.

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He's all over the place.

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So we actually we didn't do okay, we didn't do a pre interview.

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We did the demonstration of the software with him.

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Right.

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But this is the first time we didn't do a pre interview.

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So we're kind of less prepared than usual.

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And that actually helped because he's like a very experienced public speaker and really

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engaging.

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And and it was it was really easy.

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And of course, we had figured out a few things by that point, right?

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We were getting better.

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But yeah, that was the first time we were actually all able to kind of crosstalk.

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Exactly.

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You know, that was he made it easier for us.

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You know, he did.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I literally like got energy off of him.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it was like early in the morning, too.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Came in there looking like he had just gotten out of the gym, like full of energy and just

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oh, my God.

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Yeah.

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I needed that boost that day.

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Yeah.

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I remember I was up skills at my friend's house.

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So like I was recording outside and I was so worried about my bike and everything on

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my phone.

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You know, my phone turns out working better than my computer that day.

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But I just remember that was the first time we start we felt OK to laugh, you know, even

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during the year.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And that really like helped really lighten us up.

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Oh, totally.

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Laughter is so important.

467
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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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And also that episode.

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OK.

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So for those who are listening and watching, we're talking about episode number three,

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my grand day rock a lot live, which is the software for basically music teaching.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Lessons and concerts now, you know, concerts.

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Yeah.

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Really?

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OK.

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Great.

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And then he said, I didn't make this for, you know, for this pandemic.

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I was planning on this for three last three to five years.

482
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Right.

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So I was thinking, oh, wait a minute.

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You know, people actually think about what's ahead of most of us do.

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But in terms of this, you know, bringing this music lesson into homes by digital, right?

486
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You know, and then people are actually thinking that way before that actually this pandemic

487
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brought us the future a little quicker and sooner than we expected.

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That's what it is.

489
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Yeah.

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That's a good point.

491
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Yeah.

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The future came a little soon, too soon.

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You know what I mean?

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But it was supposed to be happening like within a year or two.

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Then boom.

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So there we go.

497
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Yeah.

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That's the lesson I learned.

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And even outside of music, you know, the whole working from home revolution, that got a real

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kind of kick in the pants because a lot of people do not want to go back to work in the

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office now and still remains to be seen how that's going to work itself out.

502
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Right.

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See, you know, after the vaccine is, you know, taken by most people.

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I mean, but I was even thinking this week, you know, I even was talking to some of my

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students about this.

506
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If you really think about it, online teaching can be very productive and effective, too.

507
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And a lot of times it's more fun.

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You know, whatever I have here, I can show to my students right away.

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We have two pianos, especially with mics.

510
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You know, his technology even reduces all these delays.

511
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:25,560
Even Zoom these days are quite good, you know, and you reduce the travel times, you reduce

512
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,480
all the hassles and time.

513
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,440
You know, after all we have is time.

514
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,440
Right.

515
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,600
Like when we live on this earth for, you know, whatever time we have.

516
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:37,600
And that's it.

517
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,600
So I agree.

518
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:40,600
Yes.

519
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,760
I hope that the things will go back to normal.

520
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:53,280
But at the same time, I hope this kind of way of communications and piano lessons and

521
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,280
beyond.

522
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,280
Right.

523
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,120
Also still remain, you know, after the after covid.

524
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:00,120
So right.

525
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:04,560
Completely, at least, you know, partially, most part.

526
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,280
It's just New York kids, especially we live in the city.

527
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,280
They're so busy.

528
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:13,880
And I think a lot of my students, I see some more improvement, you know, learning more

529
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:20,720
pieces because when they don't have to spend so many hours on the road every day and they

530
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,520
can concentrate more reading, reading books.

531
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,280
The amount of focus has changed.

532
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,280
Right.

533
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,280
Yeah.

534
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,280
They're prepared.

535
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,960
They're ready to go on time.

536
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,440
I love it.

537
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,440
Yeah.

538
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,440
I'll share that.

539
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:41,320
I recently started teaching an old friend of mine, like 20 years on dating myself, but

540
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,640
going back to undergrad who used to live here.

541
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,720
And then I know that's painful.

542
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,900
But but yeah, he moved out to L.A. recently.

543
00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:54,520
So he's three hours behind even.

544
00:26:54,520 --> 00:27:00,440
But but we started lessons a couple of months ago and it's just been amazing.

545
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,120
I mean, first of all, he's an excellent student.

546
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,800
He's really good and making a lot of progress.

547
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,880
But also because we've known each other for so long.

548
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,840
I never had lessons before.

549
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,400
But you know, this is just something that probably wouldn't have happened otherwise.

550
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,400
Right.

551
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,340
And it's proven to be incredibly fulfilling.

552
00:27:18,340 --> 00:27:24,880
So that was actually the pivot point for me, the episode three.

553
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,360
Well, I will say it felt like that for me, too.

554
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:34,680
And then with episode four, Chantal Balestri, this was my first time being host.

555
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:40,280
And I felt like I backslid quite a bit because why?

556
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,920
Because I started I introduced the episode and then I was like, oh, my God, I don't know

557
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,720
how to start this conversation.

558
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:54,160
It's like because like, you know, we're all friends with Chantal and, you know, we knew

559
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,600
she was going to be great.

560
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,320
And we're just used to like talking like friends.

561
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,440
And then all of a sudden, like, oh, wait, no, I got to introduce her to people that

562
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,800
don't know who she is and never heard from her before.

563
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,800
Like, wait, what do I do?

564
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:05,800
What do I do?

565
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,400
And it's like we had some questions and stuff prepared, but I had not put enough time into

566
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,760
thinking about how do you start that?

567
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,000
You know, how do you get your listeners involved right from the beginning?

568
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,120
It's like you don't want to just like read a history book of their life.

569
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,320
Right.

570
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,920
And so, yeah, I got nervous and it was not my finest hour.

571
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:28,920
Sorry, Chantal.

572
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,240
But of course, Chantal did amazingly anyway.

573
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,240
Right.

574
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,240
Right.

575
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,520
But I felt well, intro is a different ballgame.

576
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:48,000
But I think in terms of questions, I think we were really, we have strategies to ask.

577
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,880
I really like the way we ask questions.

578
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,840
And there were some tough questions, you know what I mean?

579
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,840
Oh, yeah, for sure.

580
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,720
Especially, I think.

581
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,480
And I felt like, I think that might have been the first episode where I realized, oh, we

582
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,560
need to be telling a story, right?

583
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:13,560
That's, and it's, you know, in subsequent episodes, it hasn't always been linear.

584
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,680
You know, it doesn't always work out best just to go from the beginning to the end with

585
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:19,680
no diversion.

586
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,940
Like it can jump around and stuff.

587
00:29:20,940 --> 00:29:25,640
But I think you want to come away with portrait of a person, journey they've been on.

588
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,960
It's like, you know, there needs to be a narrative for it to be a satisfying interview.

589
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,280
And that was the first time I started experimenting with that.

590
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:41,880
But actually, Eric, I have been enjoying you being the main host for the last two episodes.

591
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,760
You have more energy and also, yeah, right?

592
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:46,760
Yeah, yeah.

593
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,760
For sure.

594
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,960
Okay, so that's, well, you know, we'll skip ahead a little bit because we were just going

595
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,240
to do up through episode five tonight.

596
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:03,680
But yeah, so episode six was Palo Marchettini, who again is another great friend of ours.

597
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:10,440
And we had a wonderful pre interview that was just full of good stuff and so much fun.

598
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,280
And then very close, it's a couple days before our main interview.

599
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,280
Right.

600
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,920
And then we did the main interview, which was pretty late at night.

601
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,200
And he was tired, I was tired.

602
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,800
And then I watched it back later.

603
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,780
And I and you keep in Clara were great.

604
00:30:27,780 --> 00:30:32,240
But I was like, Oh, my God, no, no, no, no, no, like, I need more energy.

605
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,800
Like, holy, like this is so that Eric fail again.

606
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:43,640
But ever since then, I like tonight, for example, like, frankly, coming in here tonight, again,

607
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,520
it's Saturday night, been with my family all day as pretty beat.

608
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,560
But you know, this is helping.

609
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:50,560
Right?

610
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,560
Yeah, hey, whatever it takes.

611
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,560
Yeah.

612
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,760
But but yeah, you're on camera, you got to like energy to the max.

613
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:57,760
Right.

614
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,480
It shows and it's not good.

615
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,440
So no, but it's funny.

616
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:07,920
I just but last two episodes or so you the way you were starting the episode was just

617
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,920
very creative.

618
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:09,920
I love exactly.

619
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:10,920
Yeah, right.

620
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:11,920
Yeah, very much.

621
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,920
Yeah.

622
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:13,920
Yeah.

623
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:14,920
I've been putting more thought into that lately.

624
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:15,920
Yeah.

625
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:16,920
And that's great.

626
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,920
You know, we I think as a team, you know, our so I mean, we are going to improve, we're

627
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,400
going to just evolve.

628
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,520
We're like, we're just, we're not going to stay the same.

629
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,400
You know, this is kind of a live thing.

630
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,400
Exactly.

631
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,400
Yeah.

632
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,400
Right.

633
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,400
But it's a go ahead.

634
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:38,680
No, I was just going to say also back to Chantel's episode, you know, it's funny, I actually

635
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:44,480
know Chantel through Apollo and you know, and by the Chantel was the very first episode

636
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,080
that she was overseas.

637
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,800
She actually was in Italy.

638
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,360
So we also had that to adjust.

639
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,360
That's a good point.

640
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,360
Yeah.

641
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,800
And she just finished teaching and you know, we were like here totally different times

642
00:31:54,800 --> 00:32:00,520
of total different atmosphere really, you know, and with the pandemic, everything, I

643
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,760
think, you know, there's just a lot to be to adjust, you know, and sometimes like this

644
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,380
Paul was absolutely again, back to that.

645
00:32:08,380 --> 00:32:13,560
He is very dear friend of mine, like such a good friend that I was worried to be too

646
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,880
casual on camera.

647
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:20,080
So I tried to be like, really formal and that didn't work too well either, you know, so

648
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,920
it's like all kinds of things could play out.

649
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,320
So well, since we're talking about power, I will say that that was the episode that

650
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,320
we decided, you know what?

651
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,920
Enough with the pre interviews.

652
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,360
We're giving away too much good stuff off camera.

653
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:41,260
And so now we try to keep it to half an hour or less just to work out logistics and get

654
00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:45,000
comfortable and save all the best stuff for the interview itself.

655
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,960
So everybody should see it uptick in the quality of our interviews from that.

656
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:50,960
Hopefully.

657
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,960
Yeah.

658
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,560
So I want to focus a little bit more on Chantel herself.

659
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,600
Recently, like she was posting something on Facebook.

660
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:10,040
So it's been a year since the pandemic happened and a lot of people's life have changed for,

661
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,160
you know, I don't want to say for good, but you know, for that big time.

662
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,160
Yeah.

663
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,200
Especially for those who are artists who come to the United States, you know, visa, all

664
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:26,760
that things and they have to decide the last minute, very, very short, you know, the time

665
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:33,600
was given like really this much of time, short time to decide like a white kind of a decision,

666
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:34,600
right?

667
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,600
Right.

668
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,600
So for sure.

669
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,600
That's right.

670
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,600
Exactly.

671
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:44,000
But I just wanted to really tell Chantel, if you're listening, that no matter where

672
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:51,720
you are, you're going to be great and even this the worst situation may happen, but you

673
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,960
can turn that into something great.

674
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,000
I believe in you.

675
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:04,040
And I myself had tough situations, but I just wanted to always say, you know what?

676
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,760
What can I get out of this?

677
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:12,120
Really this war situation because I don't want to lose, you know, being a loser means

678
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:17,760
you don't learn anything then might as well, you know, the worst moment in your life.

679
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,760
I want to be the winner.

680
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,760
What do you do?

681
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:21,760
Learn.

682
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,480
So I believe that quality in Chantel more than I do.

683
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:30,920
I'm not as strong, but I think you can make it through.

684
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:36,160
And one of these days the gates will open, then people can go in and out of the countries

685
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:41,600
and you know, Chantel can come back to the United States and do all the performances

686
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:42,720
of her dreams.

687
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:45,800
So I really have this positive.

688
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,120
I'm sending this positive energy from New York to her.

689
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,520
Yes, me too.

690
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:56,320
You know, also that being I actually just remembered on camera, that's not true that

691
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,640
I how I met Chantel.

692
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,160
I actually met her in Miami.

693
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,320
I keep on forgetting this and that's how strong she is.

694
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,760
She's Chantel is quite young and we won't tell her age, but you know, she has her festivals

695
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,400
and even during the lockdown or this pandemic, she was able to keep it going.

696
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:19,920
And so long ago, one year, a few years ago, I just went to Miami for just to chill out.

697
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,480
And then I got bored and I went to a festival and she was actually performing.

698
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,200
I went to a master class and she was there and I think I couldn't go to her concert.

699
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,000
And then later on we met again in New York.

700
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,480
And you know, really she hasn't been here that long, but yet and she's been to so many

701
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,560
different countries and it's just this time that she just decided to go back and, you

702
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,120
know, add that movement and all of the things that she's teaching her students here, you

703
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,120
know, and all these things, you know, for any young people, it's like almost hard to

704
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,120
imagine.

705
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:55,240
But yes, she's doing it, you know, and that's like people say New Yorkers and she is now

706
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:56,240
a New Yorker.

707
00:35:56,240 --> 00:36:01,600
I think New York train us to be stronger and stronger no matter what situation we're in.

708
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:02,600
Absolutely.

709
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,600
Yeah.

710
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,600
Well said.

711
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,600
All right.

712
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,600
So, so Ray Mack.

713
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:09,600
Yes.

714
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,600
Episode number five.

715
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,880
Oh my goodness.

716
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,800
Thank you, Claire, for introducing him to us.

717
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,800
What a little student.

718
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,040
What an energy that guy has.

719
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,040
What an individual.

720
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,040
What?

721
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,160
Oh my goodness.

722
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,960
By the way, I don't know if you guys saw Facebook yesterday.

723
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,960
Oh, yeah.

724
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:40,920
We're in the hospital and a couple hours ago he was like, we have a baby.

725
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,920
The second baby.

726
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:42,920
Yes.

727
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:43,920
He just had a second shot.

728
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,920
Congratulations.

729
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,920
Everybody's son Ray, you're congratulations.

730
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,920
That's right.

731
00:36:51,920 --> 00:37:00,680
Ray Mack is a sensational YouTube star and we wanted to feature him because we can learn

732
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,680
a lot from him.

733
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:03,680
Yes.

734
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,320
So what did we learn from him?

735
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,320
Oh, so much.

736
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,320
Yeah.

737
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,320
Don't we?

738
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,320
Eric?

739
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,320
Where to start?

740
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,320
First of all, it was just a ton of fun to interview Ray.

741
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:21,840
And I will say that we had a long pre-interview with him and then an even longer actual interview

742
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,840
with him.

743
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,840
Because it was live.

744
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:24,840
It was live.

745
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,840
It was live.

746
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:26,840
Yes.

747
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:27,840
It was our first live stream.

748
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,880
So first and only so far live stream episode.

749
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,240
We thought about live streaming this one, but then we were like, we're going to be drinking.

750
00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:37,960
Maybe we'll say something so he won't like it.

751
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:44,920
But yeah, we were just having a ton of fun.

752
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:53,120
But there were a couple of things that stood out to me because he doesn't have the mentality

753
00:37:53,120 --> 00:38:01,760
of me and some other classical pianists who are a little bit nervous about, let's call

754
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,040
it publishing because that's really what it is, which is just putting yourself out there

755
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,960
for other people to consume your content.

756
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,680
He taught me a really good lesson about that.

757
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:18,520
And I kind of always knew it in a way, but consistency of output, if you're trying to

758
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:26,520
be known is so important, especially in this age when anybody can put up anything anytime.

759
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:34,200
Before he was a YouTube sensation, when he had a viral hit or two, basically, he committed

760
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,840
to making a video every single week.

761
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:38,920
That is a big commitment.

762
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,200
I still couldn't do that.

763
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,840
And then he did it for how many years?

764
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,320
That was like back in 2006 or something, maybe 2005.

765
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,200
Every single week, not just one video, sometimes two or three even.

766
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,840
And I've been in the music industry a while.

767
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:04,440
I've met a lot of people, some who became famous, some who switched careers, and that

768
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,680
type of commitment is very rare to find.

769
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,680
That's really what it takes.

770
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,120
If you can do that, you will go far.

771
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,240
So that was the biggest thing that I learned from Ray.

772
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:19,440
I mean, I would say this, Ray has been a good, good friend, a good student.

773
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,240
I still call him that.

774
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:26,280
To this day, he still calls me teacher, even though he's like a year younger than me.

775
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,280
He is Malaysian.

776
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:33,080
He lives in Malaysia with his family now, but he studied here in Massachusetts for a

777
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,320
few years for his undergraduate.

778
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,880
And that's where we met.

779
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,160
And he was doing his undergraduate while I was doing my masters.

780
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,640
And everybody knew Ray played the piano because he played pop songs.

781
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,640
And he was not shy.

782
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,640
He attracted a lot of girls.

783
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,840
All the Asian girls were like, oh my God, Ray is playing again.

784
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:54,840
And here I am.

785
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,000
I was the pianist, right?

786
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,400
But I sometimes refused to perform because I was like, all about that perfectionist.

787
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,240
I'm not giving a concert.

788
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:06,360
And Ray was just really, really sunshine.

789
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,800
He was just always there.

790
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,440
And he came to my class.

791
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,480
It was like a teacher, you know, I was like, you don't have to really call me teacher.

792
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,480
He was like, no, no, no, you're my teacher, right?

793
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,160
He was like, can you take me in your class?

794
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,800
Because I failed my side reading exam.

795
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:26,280
You know, I want to be music minor or something, but I can't read music and I can play anything

796
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,840
by ear, but I can't read music.

797
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,280
So he came in to study with all the music minors where I was teaching.

798
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,760
And he was just not only so talented, so humble, you know, so willing to learn about everything.

799
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:44,760
And we've been friends all these years, but I remember the very one of the first episodes

800
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,720
of the first videos that he was visiting me.

801
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:53,320
You know, we had calls parties and he was like sitting on my bed practicing on my keyboard.

802
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,520
And now he's like, teacher, I'm going to report this.

803
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,920
I'm going to put up this thing called YouTube.

804
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:58,920
I'm like, what is that?

805
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:04,440
You know, at that time it was still like my space world, I think, you know, and he was

806
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,320
very high in tech as well.

807
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:11,120
And you know, really, I wouldn't say like a thick face, you know, like as Asian, sometimes

808
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,160
I feel like, oh my God, you know, I'm shy.

809
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,160
Like I don't want to do this.

810
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,200
But he was like, you know, I'm just going to leave it here and anyone wants to watch

811
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,200
it.

812
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,240
And then, you know, to this day, it's still not his main profession.

813
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:28,280
You know, he was a trader, he was in technology, he worked for Microsoft for a while, he sold

814
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,480
mentions for a while, you know, who knows?

815
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:36,400
He does a lot of some multi marketing, multi network marketing even.

816
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:42,200
But I think in the end, he has a good heart and he also has a lot of so-called haters

817
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,200
on the internet.

818
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,120
But sometimes they all become his like biggest fans, right?

819
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,280
Because he's inspiring them to better people.

820
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,420
And that's what we, I think, need the most in this world.

821
00:41:54,420 --> 00:41:58,600
What did you think of that episode, Ikimi?

822
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,800
That was just pure fun.

823
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,120
Yeah, just he took the microphone and he took it away.

824
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,840
Like he did the show.

825
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:12,760
So we were just like, you know, listening and just a little bit of navigation that we

826
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,440
needed, but rest of it was just his thing.

827
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,440
Very easy.

828
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,440
Yeah.

829
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,560
And the live show was so fun.

830
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,640
We've never done it before.

831
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:29,720
And we used the restream, the software restream to stream on YouTube and Facebook at the same

832
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:30,720
time.

833
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:32,160
It was just really fun.

834
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,760
So really he taught me how to enjoy.

835
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:44,920
I mean, that episode taught me how to enjoy music more, how not to be judgmental and just,

836
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,440
can we just enjoy the sound?

837
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,000
Can we just enjoy the day?

838
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,000
You know what I mean?

839
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,000
Right.

840
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:57,280
Can we just stuck in this little tiny room and practice hours and hours and really, you

841
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,680
know, be so hard on yourself.

842
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,920
And sometimes you get so depressed because the result is not what we want to.

843
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,760
But music is beautiful.

844
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:06,760
The day is beautiful.

845
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,760
Can we just enjoy?

846
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,600
And I would say also to enjoy the connection with other people through it.

847
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,920
It's very clear for Ray that it's such a huge part of it.

848
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:23,280
And one of the amazing things about him is he does all the things you need to do to find

849
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,560
success on the internet, networking with other people.

850
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,280
But it's like, how do I put it?

851
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,080
It seems strategic because he does all the right things, but it just comes naturally

852
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,800
to him because that's who he is.

853
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,680
It's the same way he has this amazing attitude with the haters.

854
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:49,680
He converts them into fans, but that's because he has this natural ability to see the good

855
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,160
in people and wish them well, see through their pain.

856
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,160
Yeah.

857
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,160
Yeah.

858
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,160
Exactly.

859
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,800
I mean, he's a real person person.

860
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:05,680
Like he's really, you know, in real life too, you know, when you meet him one day, hopefully.

861
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,600
But it feels like we already know him so well just through these interviews, right?

862
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,880
You're always talking to your great friend.

863
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,240
By the way, there's one thing I just want to check me since we were talking about the

864
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:21,960
live streaming, I want to ask our listeners, you know, if anyone listening, I have had

865
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:28,520
some people, Kelly, Lauren Kelly in Vancouver, I haven't even told you guys the news.

866
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,480
She was suggesting maybe we will do our live streaming a little later sometimes, you know,

867
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,920
even when the published because some teachers are still watch teaching.

868
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,800
And then she, I was like, well, we always have it, but she was like, it's more fun,

869
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,000
you know, when I watch with you guys.

870
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,080
So two things I was thinking, should we do more live streaming?

871
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,560
Well, first of all, anyone wants to join us, you know, to watch us, you know, if they were

872
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:58,840
doing more live to should we move the, uh, the, if we were going to premiere it is the

873
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:04,800
better if we do it later, you know, of the night or day, you know, she on the West coast,

874
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:05,800
right?

875
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:06,800
Yeah.

876
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:07,800
Yeah.

877
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:08,800
Right.

878
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,160
So normally we live stream at eight, which is five for them.

879
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,160
That's right.

880
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,160
That's right.

881
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,160
All right.

882
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,960
So, well, I guess it really depends on who's listening because, you know, we can track

883
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,960
our analytics on simple cast and I will tell you right now, actually, where did I put the

884
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,960
stats?

885
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:26,960
I had them here.

886
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:27,960
Oh yeah.

887
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:34,640
So for anybody who's interested, um, 60% of our audiences in the U S that's by far the

888
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:42,040
vast majority and then, um, the next highest would be Germany followed by Brazil, Mexico,

889
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:47,760
Japan, um, uh, UK, Canada, Spain, Peru and Thailand.

890
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,200
So we're really all over the world.

891
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,200
That right.

892
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,520
So if you guys want us to live stream in your time zone, you got to speak up.

893
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:55,520
Okay.

894
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:00,040
You know, send us a message on our Instagram or Facebook.

895
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,040
Yeah.

896
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,040
Twitter, even YouTube, right?

897
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,320
We'll take requests, but there just have to be enough of you.

898
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,320
All right.

899
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,320
Yeah.

900
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:15,040
So my, my last, my, my question for you, both of you is in terms of all these guests.

901
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:21,800
So what's the common quality that the, what's the quality that all these guests share?

902
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,520
Like there was a reason that we chose these people, right?

903
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:30,920
Um, so what, what do you think is this common quality that they share?

904
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,120
What do you think?

905
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,400
I would say first of all, very positive attitude.

906
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,400
For sure.

907
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:42,040
You know, without exception, um, these five sex guests and our subsequent guests have

908
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,640
all been such positive people.

909
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,320
There's such a delight to talk to.

910
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,320
Right.

911
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:47,320
Right.

912
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:48,600
Well, what about you, Clara?

913
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:49,600
Yeah.

914
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:55,920
I want to think, you know, I want to say, sure, you know, most of us musicians, we all

915
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,400
have this work ethic, but it's being able to have fun as well as working crazy, crazy

916
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,400
hard, you know?

917
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:08,840
And I think all of our guests really, like they all, they're all obviously very successful

918
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:14,560
and very out there and yet they all seem to have this lighthearted personality and they

919
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:15,560
really know how to have fun.

920
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:16,560
Yeah.

921
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:17,560
Absolutely.

922
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:18,560
You're right.

923
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:19,560
Absolutely.

924
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,120
They don't take too serious about things.

925
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,120
Exactly.

926
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,800
We need to learn to not take everything personally.

927
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,840
And they're willing to take chances, like taking a chance on us in our first season

928
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:29,840
of this podcast.

929
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:30,840
You know?

930
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,840
That's right.

931
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:32,840
I was going to say the same thing.

932
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:39,360
They take chances and they also, they seem to invest in themselves.

933
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,360
That's right.

934
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,080
I think that's very important.

935
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:47,400
They're not just sit down and get used to their normal stuff.

936
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,400
Right.

937
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,040
They are edgy people.

938
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,440
They are anti always like, what else can I do?

939
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:56,440
Absolutely.

940
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,120
They literally invest time and effort in something else.

941
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,640
And that's really, I learned a lot.

942
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:04,640
Yeah.

943
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:05,640
I'm learning a lot.

944
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:06,640
All right.

945
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:07,640
So kids, is it time?

946
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:08,640
It is time.

947
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:09,640
Yes.

948
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:10,640
Oh my gosh.

949
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:11,640
Time for the piano pop rapid fire questions.

950
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:12,640
Are we ready?

951
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,640
We are ready.

952
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:21,640
Who's going first?

953
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,640
I am going first.

954
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:25,640
I'm scared.

955
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,640
This is really fun.

956
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,640
Are you ready?

957
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:31,640
Okay.

958
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,640
What is your guilty pleasure?

959
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,640
Guilty pleasure.

960
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,640
Eric, go.

961
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,640
Okay.

962
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:44,640
So I'm going to start with you.

963
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,640
The first thing that jumps to mind is the TV show trailer park

964
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:48,640
boys.

965
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:49,640
I have no idea.

966
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,640
Yeah.

967
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,640
So, well, it's kind of an old show now, but it's a mockumentary.

968
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:03,640
Which, you know, like, like the office, but.

969
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,640
About a trio of drunk degenerates living in a trailer park.

970
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:07,640
And Nova Scotia.

971
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,640
And I'm like, I'm not going to do that.

972
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:10,640
I'm not going to do that.

973
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:11,640
I'm going to do that.

974
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,640
And especially when I'm down or something that show always makes me

975
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:15,640
feel better. So.

976
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,640
That's it. That's my guilty pleasure.

977
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:18,640
All right.

978
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:24,640
What about you, Clara?

979
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,640
Well, for me, I think for those listeners out there,

980
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,640
if you ever see our crazy Instagram posts,

981
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,640
that's all come from like mostly from the crazy Clara.

982
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,640
And I'm like, I'm going to post this, you know,

983
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:38,640
I'm going to post this.

984
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:39,640
And then I'm like,

985
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,640
I'm going to post this and I'm like,

986
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,640
I'm going to post this and I'm like, I'm going to post this.

987
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,640
And then I'm like, I'm going to post this.

988
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,640
And I use all these filters and make these like pictures, you know,

989
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,640
you too, like really crazy little characters.

990
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:51,640
It's almost like imagine our world.

991
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,640
That we live in with all the filters.

992
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,640
And that really somehow it takes time,

993
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,640
but it kind of calms me down, you know, because.

994
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:58,640
Really calms you down.

995
00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:59,640
Okay, good.

996
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:00,640
Hey, what?

997
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,640
I'm sorry.

998
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:05,640
Yeah.

999
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:06,640
Yeah.

1000
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:07,640
Everybody wants to know what you're.

1001
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:08,640
Oh my God.

1002
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:09,640
Okay. It's easy.

1003
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:15,640
Oh yeah. Okay.

1004
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,640
That is my guilty pleasure.

1005
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:23,640
That can't be the answer for me because I don't feel guilty.

1006
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,640
Yeah, you're right. But sometimes I feel guilty. So, Hey,

1007
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:27,640
that's my guilty pleasure.

1008
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,640
Okay.

1009
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:31,640
Who's next?

1010
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,640
Oh, we're passing her. Okay. Go Claire.

1011
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,640
Favorite restaurant in New York city.

1012
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,640
Oh, go first.

1013
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,640
Oh, geez.

1014
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,640
Honestly, I haven't been to restaurants in a long time,

1015
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:50,640
but there's one Japanese place right underneath where Eric.

1016
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:57,640
I think it's a Japanese restaurant.

1017
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,640
Yeah. It's called me. I think it's me, but that's one.

1018
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,640
It's not restaurant, but that's one of my favorite place.

1019
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,640
Okay. Yeah.

1020
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:05,640
That's the first place we have to go after the.

1021
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:06,640
Right.

1022
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,640
All right, Eric.

1023
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,640
So unfortunately my favorite restaurant closed.

1024
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:13,640
No.

1025
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:18,640
Or maybe, maybe they.

1026
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,640
I think it was a restaurant in New York city.

1027
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:21,640
And it was called.

1028
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,640
I think it was a favorite restaurant was right up the street.

1029
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:24,640
And it's called char Sue.

1030
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,640
See you.

1031
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:33,640
Char Sue.

1032
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,640
And it was this amazing fusion restaurant that was super

1033
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,640
inventive and everything was really delicious and quite reasonably

1034
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:39,640
priced and amazing drinks.

1035
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,640
And my wife and I would go there for dates. Oh, sorry.

1036
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:42,640
This is rapid fire.

1037
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,640
No, I know why it's so hard.

1038
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,640
I mean, it's because it's so expensive.

1039
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,640
And it was, well, maybe it's still there.

1040
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:51,640
Wolf gun.

1041
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:52,640
You know, when I used to still eat a lot.

1042
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:53,640
Okay.

1043
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:54,640
Okay.

1044
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:55,640
So great.

1045
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:56,640
Go ahead.

1046
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:57,640
Eric.

1047
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:02,640
Okay.

1048
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,640
What is your most embarrassing performing experience?

1049
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:06,640
Okay.

1050
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:07,640
I'll go first.

1051
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,640
But that was 14.

1052
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,640
That was the first time I forgot my music on stage.

1053
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:12,640
But now I learned.

1054
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,640
I'm sorry.

1055
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:15,640
Okay.

1056
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:16,640
Very good.

1057
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:17,640
All right.

1058
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:18,640
That was when I was.

1059
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,640
Take getting my master's and was a big stage.

1060
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,640
Really literally thousands of people watching.

1061
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,640
I started off the lower.

1062
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:26,640
I was nervous.

1063
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:27,640
So.

1064
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:28,640
Hey.

1065
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:29,640
Oh, you started an octave lower.

1066
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:30,640
That's not so bad.

1067
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:31,640
That's not so bad.

1068
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:32,640
Okay.

1069
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:33,640
I got a good one for you guys.

1070
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:34,640
Yeah.

1071
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,640
There wasn't, it wasn't a big concert, but it was an audition.

1072
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:43,640
And I was like, I'm going to do this.

1073
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,640
And then I recently got in contact lenses again,

1074
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,640
which I gave up on soon after.

1075
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:54,640
I can't wear a contact lenses. My eyes are too weird.

1076
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,640
And so I was like, I was, they were not sitting well in my eyes.

1077
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,640
And I was blinking. My eyes are watering the whole time.

1078
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,640
And then it started doing weird things with the light in the room,

1079
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:03,640
which was pretty dark to begin with.

1080
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,640
And I was playing Stravinsky's.

1081
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,640
I was like, I'm going to do this.

1082
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,640
I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this.

1083
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:11,640
I'm going to do this.

1084
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,640
And then I was like, because of the contacts in my eyes,

1085
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:15,640
something happened with the light and the shadows.

1086
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,640
I thought something was going to fall on me.

1087
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:18,640
I like.

1088
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,640
I was playing and I look up like this.

1089
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,640
And then, and then I suddenly realized that there was nothing there

1090
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,640
and like went back, like nothing happened, but it was.

1091
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,640
I don't know if that's my most embarrassing, but it was pretty weird.

1092
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,640
If our students are listening, listen to all of us.

1093
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:31,640
We have all had our.

1094
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,640
Stop happening. It's okay.

1095
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,640
I'm not going to do that.

1096
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:36,640
Next question.

1097
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,640
Who was your cell?

1098
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,640
Celebrity crush when you were a teenager.

1099
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:45,640
Something.

1100
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:46,640
That's a teenager.

1101
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:51,640
Leonardo.

1102
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:52,640
Okay. All right.

1103
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:53,640
What are you?

1104
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,640
Probably all the babes on Baywatch.

1105
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:04,640
I'm not sure.

1106
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,640
Yeah. Okay. Me, me.

1107
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,640
This is very famous.

1108
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,640
You can be song loves drinking wine, loves Michael Jackson.

1109
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:14,640
Oh yeah.

1110
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:15,640
Interesting.

1111
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,640
All right.

1112
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:18,640
Next question.

1113
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:19,640
Let me ask them.

1114
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:20,640
Cause this.

1115
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:27,640
I'm not sure.

1116
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,640
All time favorite classical album and all time favorite non-classical

1117
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:31,640
album.

1118
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:32,640
Okay.

1119
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:37,640
All time favorite classical album is.

1120
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,640
You know, there's this 20th century piano series.

1121
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:40,640
Albums. Do you know it's.

1122
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,640
Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1123
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:43,640
Great.

1124
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:44,640
Right. Exactly.

1125
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:45,640
Nelson prayer.

1126
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:46,640
Oh, okay.

1127
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:51,640
And then there's a fantasy and C major.

1128
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:52,640
Out of this world.

1129
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:53,640
That's my.

1130
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:54,640
That one.

1131
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:55,640
Yeah.

1132
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:56,640
It's incredible.

1133
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:57,640
Okay.

1134
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,640
Check out our spring fruitless.

1135
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:00,640
Yeah.

1136
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:01,640
And then.

1137
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:02,640
We're going to have to put all this.

1138
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:07,640
No classical non-classical is very hard to choose.

1139
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:16,640
I have a favorite.

1140
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:17,640
The best mode.

1141
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,640
I don't know the title of the album,

1142
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,640
but I love the behind the wheel. So it's one of those album with the name.

1143
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:23,640
Anyway, I'm old.

1144
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:24,640
So Clara, what's yours?

1145
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:25,640
Well, I have.

1146
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,640
I was thinking I can't choose.

1147
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,640
So I have a two favorite of classical. I have.

1148
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:30,640
The.

1149
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:38,640
The.

1150
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,640
One of the gopro recreation by going good.

1151
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,640
People used to come far. Good. I was addicted to clean.

1152
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,640
Yeah, that's still, you know, if I don't feel good, I go to that one.

1153
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,640
And also the all show pen.

1154
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,640
Album by.

1155
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,640
Rubenstein.

1156
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,640
That also was my first album that I was able to buy.

1157
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,640
And then I was like, I'm going to go with the classic.

1158
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:01,640
Okay.

1159
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,640
And the non-classical.

1160
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,640
I love Johnny cash. I don't know why.

1161
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:06,640
Okay.

1162
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,640
Great.

1163
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:11,640
Yeah.

1164
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,640
What about you, Eric?

1165
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:15,640
I don't know. You know,

1166
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,640
I'm actually sitting here looking at MP3s on my hard drive,

1167
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:19,640
because even though I thought about it earlier,

1168
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,640
when I thought of this question,

1169
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,640
I don't know how I could just pick one classical album,

1170
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:24,640
especially because.

1171
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,640
It was.

1172
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,640
It's a thing that's been around since I was in high school.

1173
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,640
I had that influential on me when I was younger.

1174
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:32,640
I don't like anymore.

1175
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,640
I outgrew those pianists.

1176
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:46,640
But I feel like let's just say.

1177
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:47,640
When I was a kid,

1178
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,640
the Tchaikovsky symphonies were very influential on me when I was in

1179
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,640
about fourth and fifth grade and it was probably the Philadelphia

1180
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,240
it would probably be Led Zeppelin IV

1181
00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:00,740
and or Dream Theater Systematic Chaos.

1182
00:57:00,740 --> 00:57:01,580
I don't know Dream Theater that one.

1183
00:57:01,580 --> 00:57:03,200
I don't even know what that is.

1184
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,900
They are classically trained for what it's worth.

1185
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:07,540
All right, check out our playlist.

1186
00:57:07,540 --> 00:57:09,660
I'm sure it's all gonna be there.

1187
00:57:09,660 --> 00:57:10,500
Oh yeah, that would be a trick.

1188
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:12,300
All right, so Clara, what's your question?

1189
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:15,560
All right, serious question, but in short words,

1190
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,740
where am I on the team on piano?

1191
00:57:17,740 --> 00:57:22,740
Ah, I start out with Chopin etude, flying very slowly.

1192
00:57:24,420 --> 00:57:29,420
Right now I am reviewing Opus 25, number 11.

1193
00:57:31,140 --> 00:57:32,540
Rendy just started it.

1194
00:57:32,540 --> 00:57:33,380
Yeah.

1195
00:57:33,380 --> 00:57:35,180
This week after the recital.

1196
00:57:35,180 --> 00:57:36,740
Well, that's a very hard one.

1197
00:57:36,740 --> 00:57:38,180
Oh yeah.

1198
00:57:38,180 --> 00:57:39,660
What about you, Eric?

1199
00:57:39,660 --> 00:57:42,460
So I don't really have a warmup routine.

1200
00:57:42,460 --> 00:57:46,300
I don't, I certainly don't ever try to warm up technically,

1201
00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:48,900
but I would say kind of my warmup is

1202
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:50,220
whatever I feel like doing

1203
00:57:50,220 --> 00:57:52,900
that's gonna get me to eventually practice.

1204
00:57:52,900 --> 00:57:55,300
All right, so whatever kind of suits my mood.

1205
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:57,500
Sometimes I manage to get to work right away,

1206
00:57:57,500 --> 00:58:00,500
but more often I just need to play something

1207
00:58:00,500 --> 00:58:02,700
that's gonna pull me in and eventually,

1208
00:58:02,700 --> 00:58:05,340
you know, some part of it is,

1209
00:58:05,340 --> 00:58:07,260
sorry guys, this is rapid fire, I know,

1210
00:58:07,260 --> 00:58:10,980
but part of it is sometimes you have to slow your mind down

1211
00:58:10,980 --> 00:58:12,420
from everything else that was going on in the day

1212
00:58:12,420 --> 00:58:14,500
to get into that space where you can work.

1213
00:58:14,500 --> 00:58:16,380
Working at the piano, it's like,

1214
00:58:16,380 --> 00:58:19,660
we talked with, I think it was Frederick Chu, you know,

1215
00:58:19,660 --> 00:58:22,300
right, like it's a different kind of work

1216
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:23,580
than like being on your computer,

1217
00:58:23,580 --> 00:58:26,860
answering emails and Facebooking and things like that.

1218
00:58:26,860 --> 00:58:29,740
It is physical, but it's also just so,

1219
00:58:30,740 --> 00:58:32,700
well, for me, I mean, I really,

1220
00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:35,300
I also don't have exactly a routine,

1221
00:58:35,300 --> 00:58:38,340
which don't tell my teacher, I'm sure Dr. J is watching,

1222
00:58:38,340 --> 00:58:42,220
but I start with Bach mostly,

1223
00:58:42,220 --> 00:58:44,260
I try to start with some Bach,

1224
00:58:44,260 --> 00:58:47,940
and but if my finger really need to pick my finger up

1225
00:58:47,940 --> 00:58:49,980
and I go to some Chopin,

1226
00:58:49,980 --> 00:58:51,500
and if it really doesn't work,

1227
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:54,580
I go to good old Hennan.

1228
00:58:54,580 --> 00:58:55,700
Oh wow, okay.

1229
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:59,740
Yeah, so, all right, keep on going, who's next?

1230
00:58:59,740 --> 00:59:03,220
All right, so let's make this a last round.

1231
00:59:03,220 --> 00:59:04,620
Yes, sounds good.

1232
00:59:04,620 --> 00:59:08,260
I have a very last question for you.

1233
00:59:08,260 --> 00:59:14,700
What is your dream piece to play?

1234
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:17,500
Goldberg revelation for me to play.

1235
00:59:17,500 --> 00:59:18,340
What is it?

1236
00:59:18,340 --> 00:59:19,180
Okay, Goldberg.

1237
00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:20,460
Goldberg, oh yeah, okay.

1238
00:59:23,260 --> 00:59:28,260
You know, I never finished the Rachmaninoff second concerto.

1239
00:59:28,700 --> 00:59:30,260
I think it's gotta be that,

1240
00:59:30,260 --> 00:59:33,100
to finish that and have a chance to play it with orchestra.

1241
00:59:34,140 --> 00:59:37,100
Yeah, either that or Gaspar Delannui,

1242
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:38,260
which I also never,

1243
00:59:38,260 --> 00:59:41,540
I performed only the first movement so far.

1244
00:59:41,540 --> 00:59:42,860
Probably one of those two.

1245
00:59:42,860 --> 00:59:45,060
We are still young, we still have time.

1246
00:59:45,900 --> 00:59:50,900
So I would say Prokofiev Sonata, all of them.

1247
00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:54,500
Oh, all of them, okay.

1248
00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:58,980
And then Rachmaninoff, piano concerto number three.

1249
01:00:01,140 --> 01:00:04,380
Who do you guys feel you owe the most to

1250
01:00:04,380 --> 01:00:07,300
among important people in your life?

1251
01:00:07,300 --> 01:00:08,140
Me.

1252
01:00:12,020 --> 01:00:12,860
My mother.

1253
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:18,580
My grandparents.

1254
01:00:19,860 --> 01:00:20,700
Okay.

1255
01:00:22,060 --> 01:00:24,940
Well, for me, it would be hard to pick between my parents,

1256
01:00:24,940 --> 01:00:27,660
my wife and all the teachers

1257
01:00:27,660 --> 01:00:29,660
that have left a profound influence on me

1258
01:00:29,660 --> 01:00:33,220
because I've really had a lot of really amazing teachers.

1259
01:00:33,220 --> 01:00:34,580
It's been a huge blessing.

1260
01:00:35,460 --> 01:00:36,700
Great.

1261
01:00:36,700 --> 01:00:40,340
All right, so Clara, very, very last question.

1262
01:00:40,340 --> 01:00:42,460
Apple, cake or chocolate?

1263
01:00:43,660 --> 01:00:45,340
Apple, cake or chocolate?

1264
01:00:45,340 --> 01:00:46,940
Or what kind of cake?

1265
01:00:46,940 --> 01:00:48,860
Doesn't matter, choose.

1266
01:00:48,860 --> 01:00:50,380
I choose chocolate cake.

1267
01:00:50,380 --> 01:00:51,980
All right, why do you choose?

1268
01:00:51,980 --> 01:00:53,060
Because I chose.

1269
01:00:54,540 --> 01:00:58,100
I choose apple, not because I try to look like

1270
01:00:58,100 --> 01:00:59,660
I'm a healthy person, I am healthy,

1271
01:00:59,660 --> 01:01:00,700
I'm trying to be healthy,

1272
01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:04,260
but because I don't go for sweet stuff.

1273
01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:07,340
I don't eat sweet stuff, so apple.

1274
01:01:07,340 --> 01:01:08,500
Yeah, Clara.

1275
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:09,940
Good, chocolate.

1276
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Chocolate makes me happy,

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but because I chose chocolate,

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because I chose chocolate,

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last question, landmark question.

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All right, we did it.

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Yeah, all right.

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So this concludes this episode of the PianoPod.

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We wanna thank you to our audience for tuning in.

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Wanna remind you that we have an exciting guest lineup

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for the next few episodes,

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such as Selena Distoressi from Notable

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and Jim Riddle, Jazz Pianist,

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which those two episodes will be published in April,

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and Madeline Bruiser,

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who is the founder of the Art of Practicing Institute,

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which will be released in May.

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That's right.

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If you enjoyed today's episode,

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Wow, Clara, I think that bourbon's starting to hit, huh?

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As always, we welcome your feedback for us in the comments,

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Hope to see you for the next episode of That Piano Pod.

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Bye, everyone.

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Bye, everybody. Bye.

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Peace.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Peace.

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Peace.

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Peace.

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Peace.

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Peace.

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Peace.

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Peace.

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Peace.

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Peace.

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Peace.

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Peace.

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Peace.

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Peace.

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Peace.