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You are listening to the PianoPod, where we talk to the brightest minds in the industry

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about how they are bringing the piano into the 21st century.

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Welcome back to the PianoPod.

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I'm Clara Zhang.

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I'm Yukimi Song.

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And welcome to the newly remixed TPP.

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This is exciting because we are starting a new format today.

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That's right.

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In this episode, we are inviting a guest co-host besides our regular guest speaker who will

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be assisting us during the show.

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So Clara, please introduce us to our guest co-host of the day.

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That's right.

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Sure.

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I'm very pleased to present my dearest friend and geeky Sony.

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She is a lawyer by day and a beautiful Greek goddess, right?

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Greek and jazz singer by night.

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And she is also very, very dear friend of mine and thanks for being on the show.

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Thank you, Clara, for the introduction and thank you, Yukimi.

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Thank you both for having me on the PianoPod.

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Very exciting to be here.

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That's right.

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So I met and through our common friend, my best friend, Yasmin.

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Shout out to Yasmin.

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Shout out to Yasmin.

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She's a beautiful clarinetist.

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And yeah, and then recently, Yukimi and I actually did a gig together in Connecticut.

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And then on the way there, we were just thinking we were looking for an entertainment lawyer.

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And she were like, oh my gosh, we have this beautiful lawyer sitting right here.

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We always think that she's actually also a lawyer on top of me.

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So we all came together.

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One thing about lawyers is that we can always connect to other people.

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I don't practice entertainment law, although I'm learning a lot about it now.

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But I thought of Ricky Hernandez.

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He's great at what he does.

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And it was great to make the connection and have him on.

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It was just so beautiful.

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It was so perfect.

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Everything just lined up.

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And then we haven't connected for years.

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And somehow it just brought us together.

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So we're curious, maybe in a few words, Ricky, you can tell us a little bit of what you do

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or how do you manage?

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Some days I manage better than others.

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But like you said, I am a practicing real estate attorney by day.

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I do mostly real estate, but I also handle business transactions, wills and estates and

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things of that nature.

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And my side hustle, which is kind of taking over my life right now, is art and creating

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my own music.

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I sing jazz, like you mentioned, but I also do traditional Greek music.

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And I try to blend the two genres together.

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So I guess you could call it world music.

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Currently, I'm working on my album, which should be coming out in the spring of 2022.

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I'm very excited.

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It's going to contain original tracks and some covers as well.

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And I'm very excited that I'm collaborating with some amazing composers and good friends

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of mine.

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So stay tuned for that.

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I hope to perform with you ladies very soon because that Broadway themed Halloween party

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we did was a lot of fun.

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I know.

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I went to the theater and I went to the theater.

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It was a great year.

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So we are available for your holiday parties.

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So holler.

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Okay, guys.

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Yes.

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Right.

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So, you know, I mean, being a musician, you know, you inspire me, Aguilica, because you

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are being a lawyer, you know, make a living, but also you're a serious musician.

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So, you know, being a musician is like owning a business, right?

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, and there's an old school way of thinking that music is an art and should be protected.

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And to make a business out of art is almost like a crime.

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But I kind of disagree, you know, because most of us musicians and artists are freelancers

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and you know, and you as much as you belong to law firm, Aguilica, but you are also you

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know what it's like to be a freelancer, right?

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Because you're freelancing.

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And so being a freelancer means you have to promote yourself, manage income by yourself,

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manage so many other aspects of life at collaboration, tax, copyrights for streaming, such and such.

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So now more than ever, I feel like because so many things are so accessible by social

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media now you can actually manage our own brands, which means, you know, we are actually

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really responsible for our own brands and we need expertise, right?

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And you know, what I'm learning in my short lived career as an artist so far is that no

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one's going to care more about your business than you and no one's going to care more about

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your art.

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So it's important to have a good team like we're going to discuss, right?

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And to delegate because like you said, we have to wear so many different hats and you

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have to worry about the art, but you also have to promote, you also have to, you know,

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book gigs for yourself and tours and things like that.

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It's important to have people on your side that you can trust, but it is a business.

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And it's all, it really comes down to you and how you manage your time.

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And that's why we have to invite a legal expert to our show to ask questions.

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And we are so happy to have you, Nikki, as our co-host and you can help us really ask

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the right questions when we're a little clueless and maybe interrupt some of the legal terms

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of us.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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So we're very excited to have our guest, Mr. Ricardo Hernandez, an attorney in the

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national office of Shackleford, Bowen McKendley and Norton LLP, whose experience primarily

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lies in the field of entertainment, intellectual property, and corporate law, with a broad

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knowledge base in the areas of music, technology, commercial lending, mergers, and acquisitions,

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and day-to-day corporate matters.

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Let's welcome Mr. Hernandez to the show.

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Hey, welcome.

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Thank you for having me.

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Hello.

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Thank you so much for joining us.

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Oh my God.

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It's so early in the morning.

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Thank you.

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Yes.

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You got such dedicated lawyers out there.

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So how are you today?

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I'm good.

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I'm good.

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Really good.

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I think this time of the year for entertainment attorneys is typically pretty busy.

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The music industry shuts down pretty hard in December with people coming off tour and

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not really doing too much.

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There's no new releases.

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And so from this time, like early, late October until Thanksgiving is usually a big push,

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but it's fun.

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It's good work.

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So are you going to a show or not after work?

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Are you going to party?

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I did not.

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I'm not going to a show today.

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I did get to see, I don't know if anyone knows, Dennis Quaid is now performing music.

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Wow, the actor.

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The actor.

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He was playing in town on Monday and he was fantastic.

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Just an absolute personality as you can probably imagine, but a good musician as well.

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And so that was a really fun one.

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And he's a client of the firm in certain capacities.

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But yeah, so the show stuff is a lot of fun, but so is the entertainment stuff.

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Nashville sounds like a very poppin' place that I definitely want to visit in terms of

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music happening.

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Anytime you guys want to come, I'd love to take you around.

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It's a lot of fun.

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I moved here in 2014 and even in the last, what, seven years, it has changed entirely.

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I mean, just the entire city is, I mean, I'm looking out the window right now and there's

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like seven different cranes building new buildings.

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It's just, oh, the city is absolutely booming, but it does still have that kind of like Southern

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charm feel to it, which is part of the reason I moved down and wanted to be part of this

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industry in this legal field.

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It's just a good town.

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Until you experience it, it's really hard to fully put pinpoint why.

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I was there for my 30th birthday.

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I won't say how old, I don't know, maybe 30.

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But I was on a helicopter ride, or maybe it's not even a helicopter, it's a little bigger.

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It fits like four people and then on the plane.

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And so we just went all around the Nashville, Tennessee area.

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We were staying in the house in the mountains.

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I was like, this is a perfect place for practicing piano.

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Nobody can hear me.

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But I remember even at the time it was happening.

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Everything was very different from New York entertainment, especially for us classical

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musicians.

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I didn't see a whole lot of classical musician music.

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I mean, even the entertainment scene is changing pretty rapidly.

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So whereas 10 years ago, 15 years ago, it was primarily seen as a country spot.

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If you want to do country music, you would come here and try to get a deal with a country

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label and a singer songwriter.

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So publishing has, Nashville has deep, deep roots in the singer songwriter community of

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many different genres.

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Probably the exception being hip hop and rap, since we're so close to Atlanta.

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If that's your space, they kind of would be attracted there.

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That being said, in the last, I mean, really five years, because of how many people are

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moving to town and trying to find opportunities, the scene has entirely changed.

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And not to say that the country and the American and the bluegrass stuff has gone away.

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It's still there.

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But there's a lot more pop.

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There's even a lot more punk, a lot more, even a little bit of R&B and hip hop.

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The scene is rapidly changing because the city is growing and there's just a lot more

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opportunities.

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And as that happens, you're just seeing a bit of a culture shift, which I think everyone's

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a little nervous about.

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But at the same time, I think it's good for the city.

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So I'm curious, like, who are you representing as an entertainment lawyer?

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So I'm an attorney.

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So my client, well, Anglici, first and foremost.

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Most importantly, right.

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But being a younger attorney, my roster is a little bit smaller.

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I've got a few clients that I really love.

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I've got a singer songwriter in town named Shane Weissman, who's just, I think he's going

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to absolutely set the industry on fire.

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So plug for him.

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But the nice thing about being at a law firm like Shackelford is I work for attorneys who

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have decades upon decades of experience and I get to work for them.

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So although not my clients, still clients that I work on, I mean, we do.

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We have a lot of kind of independent record labels, publishing houses, entities that will,

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like promoters and entities that run festivals.

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And then we have a lot of artists as well.

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So we do work for one of the members of Dan and Shay, Shay Mooney, Anne Wilson of Hart

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will do a lot of work for.

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Cage the Elephant is one of my partner's clients.

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Ian Munsik, who's in the country space and is doing really, really well.

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LV Shane is one of our clients who represent his publishers.

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So we're really close with him and just a lot of just different, different acts.

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Tay Money.

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So is anyone on TikTok?

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Yes, you know, I need to get on that.

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My mother is the sound.

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She understood the assignment or I understood the assignment.

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That's Tay Money and that's one of our artists and she's absolutely blowing up.

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She has been before that TikTok or that TikTok has absolutely helped.

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And she's one of the best.

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Her music is great, but as a personality and as a person, she's just one of my favorite

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people.

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I got the opportunity to meet her when we were visiting one of our main offices in Dallas.

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I was visiting our main office in Dallas and she's from that area.

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So we got to a partner of mine and myself got to have dinner with her and sit down and

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just talk with her.

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Who is your absolute favorite artist?

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My absolute favorite artist?

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Oh my God.

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That's such a tough one.

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I think it depends on the week, right?

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I think music to me is such an emotional thing that it really does depend on how I'm feeling

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that week.

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You know, I mean, if I'm part Cuban, so if I'm really feeling like I need to go back

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to the Cuban roots, you know, I'll listen to like the...

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What is it?

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What's the...

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God, I just got one of the records.

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The Social Club.

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Oh yeah, the Buena Vista Social Club.

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Yeah, I love them.

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I will throw that record on repeat and in fact, oftentimes if I need to just focus,

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I'll put it in the background and just run that through.

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So that's really, really great.

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If I'm feeling more like going back to my middle school days, I'll listen to Follow

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Up Boy on repeat or Taylor Swift on repeat and perfect balance like early Taylor Swift.

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Really gets the people going.

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I mean, it really just depends on the week.

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It's like picking your favorite child, I guess, right?

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I think some people can do it.

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I definitely cannot.

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But are you a musician yourself?

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I played clarinet growing up and I loved that and I think that's kind of what started my

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love for music.

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But no, I'm not a practicing musician.

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I wish I was.

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If I won the lottery tomorrow, I think that's the first thing I would start to work on is

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to get back into doing music.

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But I wholeheartedly enjoy assisting musicians in my legal capacity instead.

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Music and law, I mean, for us, it almost feels like in the beginning, it's not really together.

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As musicians, we just think about our craft of practicing and stay in the practice room.

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How many hours did you put in?

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We had to deal with lawyers, with immigration stuff.

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So we are curious.

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Do you work with immigration lawyers at all or artists helping them with immigration matters?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I'll preface that answer by saying the cool thing in my ear part about being an entertainment

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attorney is there really isn't one area of the law that we are fluent in.

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We have to, one of my mentors said it really, really well, entertainment attorneys are just

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attorneys with really cool clients.

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It really is.

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At the end of the day, we are just practicing the law.

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I've got knowledge in obviously pure entertainment and IP, copyrights, record deals, publishing

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deals, but I also do a little bit of real estate when a client needs to hire or sell

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a business.

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I do some corporate law.

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I don't do any immigration, but we do often have to work because of touring issues and

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because of people coming over or going to other countries.

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We often have to work with immigration attorneys to make sure that our clients don't set up

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a tour and then suddenly can't get in the country.

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So that's just something that we have to think about.

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Absolutely, I think one of the most important parts for us is making sure that we build

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our network so that in the event our clients have an issue that we can't tackle, we know

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who to call.

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As much as I wish I knew all of the law, it's just impossible to be an expert in everything.

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So I think that getting that network and building that team of other attorneys or just other

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experts who can assist you in the event the client needs the knee, that's kind of where

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we have value.

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Yeah, of course.

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And then we need that because sometimes in the beginning we are so lost.

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I remember I got my artist visa and the green card that way.

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As an extraordinary artist, the first time I went to a lawyer, he was like, did you win

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the Nobel award yet?

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I'm like, do musicians do that?

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I didn't know that was a possibility, but somehow I got my visa and everything.

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He was like, all right, you keep on fighting that.

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You just keep on doing it.

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And then at one point I felt like one of my lawyers was like my best friend because that

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was the person I was talking to every single day to get me through that little part.

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So wow.

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It can be very overwhelming in the beginning and artists have to wear so many different

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hats.

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So it's good.

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It's very important to have a good lawyer on your side.

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I wanted to ask about this, the hottest news of music industry right now, Taylor Swift,

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and because she was on SNL and I watched a little bit of it.

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And then also she was on like some kind of a late night talk show and she was saying

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something about how she doesn't own her own songs.

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And I was actually really shocked.

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It's like, come on, she is Taytay, you know, she's got a big SNA.

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And she doesn't even she wrote she wrote her own songs, but she doesn't own.

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So and then this big name artist manager, he purchased her label company or the label

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record label company that owns Taylor Swift songs were bought by this guy.

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And then so she doesn't Taylor Swift was doesn't like it.

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And so there's a dispute and she wants to use her own songs for certain things, but

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she is not allowed to.

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So she decided to have her version of like she decided to rerecord everything.

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So what's going on?

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What is this all about?

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Yeah.

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And it's such an I mean, it's such an interesting case and kind of, you know, a good test case

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on rerecord restrictions.

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And how important relationships can be when you're representing a label and you're representing

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an artist.

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So my understanding with the Taylor case is that, you know, although Taylor Swift is now

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Taylor Swift, the music icon, I think people have to remember that at some point, Taylor

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Swift was a brand new artist looking for her first deal.

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You know, and when you're a brand new artist, as you all know, you have a lot less leverage.

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And so when you have less leverage, you kind of have to go in and accept more industry

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standard or even non industry standard terms just to get that deal going to kind of launch

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your career.

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And so my understanding was what happened was, you know, Taylor on her first deal or

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first series of deals, signed deals whereby the record label owns her masters.

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Right.

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And so when we're talking about this case, when you use the word songs, you know, and

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music copyrights, there's two sides to the copyright.

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There's the composition, what you wrote, and then there's the master, which is the song

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that you're actually hearing.

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So on the record label side, she sold the copyrights to her masters, you know, and that's

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not uncommon.

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It's not uncommon for an artist, especially a younger artist to say, you know, I'm going

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to get in advance.

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You're going to get the ownership to the masters.

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You're going to exploit those masters.

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And even after this deal is done, I don't get those back.

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Those are yours.

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That is not uncommon and is actually pretty standard.

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Now there are many, many different ways to construct that.

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And I think I don't think the industry is ever going to go away from that, but I think

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certain labels are more open to other structures.

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But let's stick with Taylor's case.

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So that happened.

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Taylor's career obviously took off, became who she was.

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The dispute she had was with a certain individual who then ended up owning her masters.

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And I think the, I think she doesn't believe with the way that individual does business.

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I think she has had some bad, bad experiences with that individual and just didn't feel

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good about that individual making money off of her songs.

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That being said, under the contract, my understanding was there wasn't a lot she could do about

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it.

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You know, that he owned them fair and square.

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He purchased them.

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Now, when you have master recordings, typically speaking in a deal or not, I mean, sometimes

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the deal won't have any record, re-record restriction.

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It'll say, you just can't record these again forever.

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In her deal, I believe they had a re-record restriction of 10 years.

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So they said, you will not re-record the composition in these masters for at least 10 years.

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Now usually for a record label, that's good enough because you're going to exploit a lot,

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a great majority of those receipts from the masters will happen in the first 10 years.

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So you'll be able to recoup your monies.

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You'll make some money off of it.

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And also in my experience, it's somewhat uncommon for artists to then come back and re-record

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these compositions, right?

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You know, they've got a good relationship with the label.

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Maybe they're still on the label and they'll say, okay, yeah, could I re-record these?

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Yes.

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Do I want to spend the money to re-record, re-market, do the whole thing?

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No.

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Taylor Swift saw, you know, this dispute was happening right around the time her re-record

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restrictions coming up.

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And I think she saw that as an opportunity to, for lack of a better way, to say it, stick

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it to the man, right?

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She said, fine, you can make money off of those.

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I'm going to make my own and then I'm going to make money off of these, which is going

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to directly cut into your profits.

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And that's what she did.

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You know, I think, I don't know that everyone would be as successful doing it, but it's

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Taylor Swift.

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You know, when you have the backing and the loyal following that she has, you can do something

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like that.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's an interesting test case and it's a case that I think some labels are

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concerned about, right?

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Because if you have a 10 year re-record restriction and some, you know, successful artists sees

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that and is like, wait, I can make more money off of re-recording my songs?

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Why wouldn't I do that?

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And I think that's going to be a concern.

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And I think you're going to start to see some of those restrictions either get longer or

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go away because of what Taylor has done.

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Not the first time Taylor has sort of revolutionized the industry.

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You know, a big part of the reason musicians are getting paid a little more under the Epic

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Apple music model was because she left Spotify for, I don't know what, five years.

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You know, when you have that type of voice, you can kind of make some monumental shifts.

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So it's really interesting to see.

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Yeah, it is.

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And then it's amazing how she is, she's not only a, you know, big biggest singer, but

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also she is a big influencer.

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So she has this power of influencing, you know, her fans through social media.

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And what she did was like, so here is the remastered or my version of my song and then

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don't listen to the original version, but listen to this.

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Then that's how her, her version of songs are now on the chart, Billboard chart, not

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the original ones.

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And that's actually really clever.

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So even the biggest name like her, she, they have to fight their spot.

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They have to fight their rights as an artist.

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That was actually really quite inspiring.

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Not that I'm honest, to be honest, I don't listen to her song very often.

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I'm a classical musician.

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So yeah, very boring.

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So yeah, but I thought it was, you know, the fighting spirit.

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I like that.

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So I can think.

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Can I just say, yeah, of course.

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I've heard Clara and Yukimi play live and it's anything but boring.

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Just saying.

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Thank you.

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That was a special concert, but you're very sweet.

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Thank you.

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But do you have any, anything like that?

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I mean, I think it's her name, Taytay.

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Even my 11 years old, they all know it.

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You know, I mean, I think she's pretty setting.

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I actually didn't know she goes by Taytay.

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I live under a rock sometimes.

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I didn't even know, but yeah, I mean, you know, just imagine these younger generation.

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I mean, now they're going to look up to her.

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You know what she did was, but Angelique, yeah, tell us.

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I mean, you are also in this world really.

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I mean, we are not going to compare, but you know, you have your album, you have your MTV

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and you know, you work as a lawyer.

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We don't know how many, you know, bodies you have to do all this.

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Sometimes I wish there were more than 24 hours in a day, I'll say.

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But in terms of what we were just discussing with Taylor Swift, I think it goes back to

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what Ricky said in terms of being a beginning artist, it's all about leverage and it's all

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about bargaining power and your clout.

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So it's good for her that she has that following because it's not easy to do that when you're

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just starting out.

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And you know, there's people in the industry that want to take advantage of you, right?

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There's a lot of ways to get screwed over in this industry and very few ways to be successful.

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So well, we all have to learn to protect ourselves, right?

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But I, you know, I mean, in the beginning, yeah, exactly.

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Actually I heard I was telling Kimmy, I was like, you know, I think I heard Taylor Swift

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live in person, like by accident in like 2012, I went to a Beethoven concert in Chicago,

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you know, this like very famous music festival and the concert hall was, you know, beautiful

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and this person was playing all Beethoven.

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The concert hall was empty.

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And I'm like, what is happening in the beginning?

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That's the story of classical music.

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Clouting for Taylor Swift because she had a show right after.

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So people even bought a ticket for the concert left early to listen to her.

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And you know, I didn't know who she was yet.

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Who is this big person?

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Why is she like, but then I realized it was Taylor Swift, you know.

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But yeah, but in the beginning, you know, and I see this a lot with classical musicians

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too, you know, we're again, I mean, we're big too, right?

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Because we have to work our whole entire life for this livelihood of whatever.

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And then, you know, I have friends that are like, I wouldn't say very respected composers,

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you know.

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But it's, I see the struggle, you know, they are self-funding, you know, they compose their

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own music, they even record with the orchestra.

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Sometimes they even play the solo part with the orchestra, yet not only, you know, paying

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the orchestra or whatever when you are publishing the book, publishing the score, you know,

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publishing the CD after whatever years, you know, and they are supposedly pretty big deal,

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yet it's all self-funding, you know.

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And these are people who even actually get to do it.

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I'm just curious, how do you think, what could, you know, do you ever work with classical

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musicians?

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First of all, Ricky, have you dealt with anything like this?

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You know, how can they even protect themselves?

478
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,720
I have not worked with classical musicians.

479
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,440
I think, again, the space that I'm in, the town that I'm in, I think it's just relatively

480
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,440
rare.

481
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,520
I am not, I am wholeheartedly for working with classical musicians.

482
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,360
It's a big plug for me.

483
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:50,400
But that being said, I mean, I think that the plight of a classical musician, while

484
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,440
probably more severe because of the industry, is not an uncommon one.

485
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,480
Whereas I think that a lot of songwriters and artists and musicians, it's difficult.

486
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:07,280
It's difficult to break through and to understand the ins and outs and really the pitfalls of

487
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,000
this industry because there are a lot of pitfalls.

488
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,000
There's a lot to learn.

489
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,000
There's a lot to understand.

490
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,920
And at the same time, kind of like you mentioned earlier, maybe before the podcast, like your

491
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,120
focus really needs to be on honing your craft.

492
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:22,040
I mean, how can you be the best you can be if you have to learn about copyright law,

493
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,040
touring, merchandise?

494
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,600
I mean, how could you do that?

495
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:25,600
It's nearly impossible.

496
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,160
And that's why I think, you know, some of the pieces of advice that I'll give to newer

497
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,640
musicians or artists is you have to build a team.

498
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,640
You know, and early on, that is difficult.

499
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,480
I mean, it's very difficult, but it has to be one of your biggest priorities because

500
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:46,560
then you can let somebody else work on that stuff that you don't necessarily want to or

501
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,000
need to be working on.

502
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,720
You know, I think typically in at least in the space outside of classical, I'm not exactly

503
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,840
familiar with classical, but typically you want to start with like a manager or a lawyer.

504
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,480
Those are one of the two first people you do because it almost starts out in necessity,

505
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,480
right?

506
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,880
I think everyone tries to go through it alone off the get go because your receipts are so

507
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,080
small, you know, that you need to.

508
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,880
You need to do it yourself so that you can keep that and feed yourself.

509
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,000
And I think everyone or most people understand that.

510
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,360
But at some point you will get to a level either because you're touring or because your

511
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:21,840
opportunities become great enough and the risk is high enough that you need to start

512
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:28,840
bringing in third parties and need to not be afraid to let someone else share that burden.

513
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,800
You know, that's what we're here for.

514
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:36,120
You know, and I think a lot of that too is don't be too quick to build that team either.

515
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:40,160
It's important to build that it's like dating, right?

516
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,920
I mean, you need to go out there and you can't, you don't just want to like get on a dating

517
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,560
app, find the first person you think you look like and let's go and be like, all right,

518
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,560
we're married.

519
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,040
Like that's typically how divorce might work.

520
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,360
Sometimes you get lucky, but sometimes you won't.

521
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,000
And finding your team, whether it's your manager, your artist, your agent, any of that, it's

522
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,720
the same way you have to go out.

523
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,320
You have to interview, get coffees, get dinners, talk to people.

524
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,760
If you put in the work early on to find someone who's going to really believe in you in your

525
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,080
career, that'll pay dividends down the road, but it needs to get done.

526
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,120
And I think that's kind of the biggest piece of advice for the younger attorneys is, or

527
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,080
younger attorneys, excuse me, and not even attorneys, newer artists.

528
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,960
And I say newer versus younger because I think people like to use the term young artists

529
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,420
or baby artists.

530
00:29:24,420 --> 00:29:28,720
As y'all might know, I mean, artists range in all ages.

531
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,440
There is, you know, you can have a young artist, you can have old artists, they can still be

532
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,440
new.

533
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,840
So I say relative to the new artist and saying, as soon as you can build that team, and as

534
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,200
soon as you can do that, you know, as soon as you're feeling the pressure of like, the

535
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,720
administrative stuff is becoming too much for me to deal with, build that team.

536
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:54,200
You will see your career take off and allow yourself to focus on your craft and not have

537
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,920
to worry about all of the millions of other things that go on behind the scenes.

538
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,400
That's actually very well said.

539
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,400
Yeah.

540
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,360
And you know, that's actually a good reminder because as musicians, we're so used to doing

541
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,920
everything on our own, right?

542
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:07,920
We are told that you have to pay.

543
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:08,920
We're small businesses.

544
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,760
You know, I mean, you're paying them to them.

545
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:19,320
And also, you know, it's very difficult to really make the payment, you know, or get

546
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,620
paid in the beginning.

547
00:30:20,620 --> 00:30:23,920
So you just feel like, and we are told to always work hard.

548
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,520
So you know, sometimes you're forgetting that you actually could have people help you out

549
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,560
and you know, maybe eventually with better benefit later.

550
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,480
Yeah, think of it as an investment, right?

551
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,280
Because it's an expense at first.

552
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,760
But like Ricky said, if these people believe in you and it's a good team that you have

553
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,320
on your back, it's worth it in the future in the long term.

554
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,320
Yeah.

555
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:52,760
And Julie, I'm curious, are you, do you, you have done some albums recently, right?

556
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,120
What was the...

557
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,120
Just that first single release.

558
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,120
Okay.

559
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,680
How did that come together?

560
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,760
Like did you have to find a team of people?

561
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,240
I mean, you know, that's...

562
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,920
Yeah, that's interesting that you ask.

563
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,640
I didn't have a team at the time because it was my very first release.

564
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:16,880
The single was based from a friendship, out of a friendship that I had with the arranger

565
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,840
slash producer of the piece.

566
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,920
It was an old composition actually that had already been recorded.

567
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,720
So for me, it was an opportunity to just jump on it.

568
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:35,080
It had never been released and to finish the production myself, to record my vocals and

569
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,080
release it that way.

570
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,320
And that's how I started learning about all these different aspects to being an artist.

571
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,320
Because it's self-funded, like you said, it's also self-promotion, right?

572
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:51,080
Because you can release a song and you record it, but it doesn't mean anything if you don't

573
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,400
have a good marketing team.

574
00:31:54,400 --> 00:32:01,480
So everything... and what makes things more complicated too is that the industry is also

575
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,840
radically changing, right?

576
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,360
And I'm sure Ricky can speak to that as well.

577
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,240
I'm reading a book right now, All You Need to Know with the Music Business by Donald

578
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,240
Passman.

579
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:16,240
And I find it funny that every other paragraph he says, oh, don't rely on this, take it with

580
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,000
a grain of salt because by the time you read it, it might be out of date.

581
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,760
It's like, okay, can I rely on anything?

582
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:28,000
If I could touch on that, I've read two versions of that book.

583
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,720
Donald Passman is a genius because he writes a very important book in an industry that

584
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,120
changes every two years.

585
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,200
And so he can write a new version of the book and you have no choice but to buy the new

586
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,200
version.

587
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,200
Right.

588
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,200
Genius, right?

589
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,200
Because there's actually... it's funny.

590
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,680
I remember when I had the original version, I ended up giving the original version to

591
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,320
one of the bands that I managed early on in my career because it was just kind of like

592
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,840
a parting gift.

593
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,480
And when I joined this firm, I was like, I've got to get that book again, thinking it would

594
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,480
be the same book.

595
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,320
And it was night and day different.

596
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,480
I mean, he truly does put a lot of work to make sure things are up to date, but he does

597
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,200
qualify the entire time being like, this is probably going to change by the time you read

598
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,200
this.

599
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,840
So I think he started giving website links at least to try to keep things up to date.

600
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,720
But yeah, that man is a genius because if I could write a book in an industry that changes

601
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,320
every couple of years, then I'll be set for life.

602
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,240
Yeah, you don't have to take on any more clients.

603
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,240
Yeah, exactly.

604
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,240
That is... yeah.

605
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:30,160
I mean, that's, you know, again, these things we don't even really think about as much,

606
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,160
you know, as musicians.

607
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,880
Yeah, because you're focusing on working on becoming a better musician, right?

608
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,280
It's one thing to do the art and it's another thing to do all the business stuff.

609
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,280
Exactly.

610
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,280
Yeah.

611
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,280
And they especially...

612
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,800
I don't want to say especially, but being a classical musician and in training is so

613
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,440
specific, you know what I mean?

614
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,760
So focused and it takes such a long time.

615
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,080
So there's no... actually no time for anything else to do.

616
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,080
Yeah.

617
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:03,640
Anyway, so you spoke about so rapidly changing this music industry.

618
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:11,160
So I'm just curious, what sort of effect did the pandemic had to musicians?

619
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:18,240
Obviously, a lot of us lost jobs and music is all about, you know, people gathering and

620
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:22,220
enjoy the live music.

621
00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:25,040
So right now we're coming out of pandemic.

622
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,400
What's the change do you see as an attorney?

623
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:33,160
Yeah, I mean, there's so many ways to answer that question.

624
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:38,200
So obviously the pandemic itself was difficult on so many people, but especially the entertainment

625
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,440
industry and there was no area of the entertainment industry that wasn't affected.

626
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,920
I mean, the live performing space was decimated.

627
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:45,920
Artists who...

628
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,600
A lot of artists structure their deals such that they make a good chunk of their money

629
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:55,320
off of touring and couldn't do any sorts of tours.

630
00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,640
And also it's funny, the number of artists who, because of touring being so important,

631
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,440
were so used to just touring every year around the same time, sometimes most months of the

632
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,840
year and now they're stuck home and they're like, what do I do with myself?

633
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,640
And so I think there's a couple of ways to answer that.

634
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,920
One just from a practical standpoint, what we saw as attorneys early on the pandemic

635
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:26,040
and throughout the pandemic was because people were stuck at home, there was a lot more songwriting

636
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,880
and production going on.

637
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,920
So in pre-pandemic and probably we'll see this again post-pandemic is when you are on

638
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:39,600
tour and you're just busy doing tour dates, touring performances, doing just any sort

639
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,720
of talk shows or whatever.

640
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:46,880
I mean, you try your best to write songs when you're on the bus, when you're on the plane,

641
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,880
but it's difficult.

642
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,880
It's tough.

643
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,880
It's a grind.

644
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,280
That life is very hard.

645
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:57,240
And same deal, you try to produce those tracks in the one to two weeks you're home, but query

646
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:01,040
whether that's enough time to really get a product that you are proud of and really kind

647
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,840
of can feel that this is what you wanted.

648
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:11,360
When you have nine months to sit at home and nothing else to do but write and produce and

649
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,960
master the tracks, you start to get products that I think, and you have to build repertoire

650
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,840
products that you can now say, okay, this is where I want it to be.

651
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,360
Now, make no mistake, that was not easy either.

652
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,220
A lot of songwriters are collaborators.

653
00:36:26,220 --> 00:36:27,360
They want to work with other people.

654
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,440
And so songwriting over Zoom was a hard thing for a lot of people because they're used to

655
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,640
being in a room together and building that bond and that relationship, building a song

656
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,640
off of that.

657
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,640
You can't do that during the pandemic.

658
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,000
You couldn't have done it in the beginning.

659
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:43,320
Now what I think, I'm going to be optimistic, Ricky, for a second.

660
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:49,480
I believe that because of that, I think we're going to see sort of a golden age of music

661
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,600
for a little while.

662
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:57,320
I think people have now built their repertoire of songs and masters in a way that they could

663
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,640
not do for a long time because of touring, because of other obligations, but I think

664
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,120
we're going to see that music come to light in the next five years.

665
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,600
And I think it's going to be amazing.

666
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,600
I think it's going to be excellent.

667
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,120
That's the silver lining.

668
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,160
I remember during the pandemic, I was hanging out with a friend of mine who's a tour manager

669
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,520
for a big country artist.

670
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,120
And we were just talking about how tough it was and what was going on and what things

671
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,360
were going to look like.

672
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,160
And I remember, I think he was going to say, he's like, I don't know, I just feel like

673
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,000
if we can come out of this, it's going to be amazing.

674
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,880
I think we're going to see a rejuvenation of the industry in a way that would not have

675
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,360
happened had the pandemic not happened because everyone was just go, go, go on the same schedule

676
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,520
that we couldn't have time for this creation, this pure creation.

677
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,600
So I think that's going to be a really cool thing that's going to happen.

678
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,520
In terms of the industry generally, I think a couple of things have also changed.

679
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:54,680
Streaming, which has always kind of grown in the last decade, 10 years ago was, man,

680
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,680
you can't make money off of streaming.

681
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:56,680
It's so difficult.

682
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,400
We'll never get there.

683
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,920
I think that that was steadily becoming more and more and more and more great.

684
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,920
I think the pandemic sped that up a little bit because people were at home, couldn't

685
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,800
go to live shows, but you still need that music.

686
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,000
You still need that emotional component to get to today.

687
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,340
And so people would stream.

688
00:38:13,340 --> 00:38:15,640
They would stream music more and more and more and more.

689
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:21,520
And people were finding creative ways to add music to their video streams, which is another

690
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,060
source of income for songwriters.

691
00:38:23,060 --> 00:38:28,920
And so I think that we have now ripped the band-aid off a little more on making that

692
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,960
a more productive source of revenue for musicians and songwriters.

693
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,480
And again, I think that was always going to happen.

694
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,600
I've been a big believer in streaming for a long time, but I do think it helped people

695
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,120
who wouldn't have assimilated to that world get more on board.

696
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,120
So that's really good.

697
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:49,400
In terms of the deal side, I also think there was a bit of a kumbaya moment in the industry.

698
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,800
I don't know, I'm not sure in the query how long this will stay, but I do think there was

699
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,800
a moment of like, we are in this together.

700
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,840
If we're going to get through this, we have to do it together.

701
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:04,120
And so I think a lot of the deals, there was a shift in the pendulum of more artist-friendly

702
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:10,040
deals of labels and publishers being like, okay, we all need to try to focus on making

703
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,520
sure we are all healthy and going to get this through.

704
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,760
And as attorneys, we were seeing some more favorable deal terms that I think sometimes

705
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,360
we wouldn't have got pre-pandemic.

706
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,400
A lot of these companies, towing companies, record labels, publishing companies lost a

707
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,400
lot of money during the pandemic.

708
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,600
So query whether that pendulum will shift back the other way as they start to recoup

709
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,560
or trying to get some of those profits.

710
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,280
But at least for the time being, I think there is a moment of like, how can we make everyone

711
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,440
successful as we come out of this pandemic?

712
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,960
And as someone who has clients on both sides of that aisle, I love to see it, right?

713
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,480
I want everyone to be successful.

714
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:54,000
I want the money to be spread around so that people can both make money off their trade,

715
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,640
but also help make artistic money and get compensated for that.

716
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,840
And so we'll see, we'll see where that goes.

717
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,040
But it's a very, very interesting time to be in this industry.

718
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,040
I mean, it's always an interesting time to be in this industry because like Angle, like

719
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,840
you mentioned, it's always changing.

720
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,280
It's never static.

721
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,360
Even if we wanted it to be static, it never could.

722
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,280
But I think it's very interesting because of everything going on and also because of

723
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,280
new technologies, right?

724
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:26,160
I mean, TikTok became huge over the pandemic and artists are finding ways to make that

725
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:31,240
another big source of income and are becoming influencers in a way that they might not have

726
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:36,560
considered prior to the pandemic and finding ways to become brand marketers in ways they

727
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,720
wouldn't have considered before the pandemic.

728
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:44,400
We have a client that is in that space that helps connect artists with influencers to

729
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,040
help create their brand and build their brand.

730
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,040
That client is called Soundfluencer.

731
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,760
So look out for them, but they-

732
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:51,760
Soundfluencer.

733
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:52,760
That's interesting.

734
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:53,760
Soundfluencer.

735
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,600
And they have a couple of different companies, but they're doing, in my opinion, they're

736
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,560
doing God's work in terms of helping communities that normally probably wouldn't connect, right?

737
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,120
Before the pandemic, if an influencer wanted a song, they're just going to look on TikTok

738
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:14,480
at what songs TikTok has license for and just promote that because it's a good song.

739
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,680
Now you've got companies that are bringing musicians and influencers together to say,

740
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:23,720
hey, how can we both make some money off of this and grow our brand together?

741
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:26,320
Which again, you love to see it.

742
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,320
This is amazing.

743
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,320
Really.

744
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:33,280
It's almost like I'm touched by this conversation to see actually both sides, especially seeing

745
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:40,080
you, how passionate you are to not only helping the industry, but the artists really.

746
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:45,000
I do feel even with this Taylor Swift movement, right?

747
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:52,080
People starting to appreciate or honor or respect the artists, I think probably more

748
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:57,560
than Euro, more than past at least.

749
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,800
I was always thinking, historically speaking, right?

750
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,640
My main hero is Bach, right?

751
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:11,520
He worked every single day of his life and his wife still died in poverty, right?

752
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,440
That's just like sort of a normal thing.

753
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:20,480
Mozart, which everybody felt he was poor when he was, but he just was not very good at collecting

754
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,840
payment or right away and those things happen.

755
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,560
But I think Beethoven had already started learning.

756
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:34,880
I mean, up to this day, Clara Schumann, she had to publish under her husband's name.

757
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:41,040
But I feel like modern days, we are still in a way a little clueless.

758
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:47,120
Classical music, again, we are classical musicians, so that's the world we are in our whole life.

759
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,360
We are learning.

760
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:55,560
We are learning to not only come out of this classical world, but our children, our students,

761
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,560
right?

762
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:01,760
They grew up studying classical music, but at some point they are curious of other things

763
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,920
and we want them to be curious of other things.

764
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:11,880
And so Ricky, what's your advice for younger, like really, really, really young musicians,

765
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,920
let's say the teenagers or, you know, what's the future of this entertainment that you

766
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,760
see being in the future?

767
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:26,160
I think that the younger, younger generation has a benefit that past generations have not

768
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,840
had in the sense that they are used to things changing very quickly, right?

769
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,760
With the advent of technology, social media, cell phones, everything like that, right?

770
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,860
They're used to having a brand new technology every year, every other year.

771
00:43:39,860 --> 00:43:44,960
And so I would say for them is like, lean into that new technology and learn as much

772
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,760
as you can while you have the time.

773
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,960
And now that's not to say, because I think I can at least partially remember being in

774
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,080
middle school and high school and you don't have a lot of time, right?

775
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,920
You're getting shepherded around, you have to go to lessons and classes and sports and

776
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,920
I get that.

777
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:08,880
But to the extent you can, I think that the younger generation has a better grasp and

778
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,720
a better adoption rate of those new technologies.

779
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:15,520
And so to the extent you can pay attention to those new technologies and how can they

780
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,000
potentially affect your career, do that and learn as much as possible.

781
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,720
A good example of that is kind of the blockchain NFT space, right?

782
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:29,280
I mean, that space is going to, I believe it'll take a long time, but it's going to

783
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,960
revolutionize the way the industry especially does royalty payments.

784
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,960
I saw the article.

785
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:36,960
Yeah.

786
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:37,960
Yeah.

787
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,440
Well, when you have a distributed ledger that's public and decentralized that when you have

788
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,000
enough people kind of bought into that concept, instead of, you know, it's funny you had mentioned

789
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,800
that Mozart was just bad at collecting.

790
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,040
Well, I think a lot of musicians have that problem, right?

791
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,400
They have that problem of like, yeah, I signed this deal, but unless I have a business manager

792
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,200
that's like pounding on doors, who's collecting my sync licenses?

793
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,520
Who's collecting my, you know, performance stuff?

794
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,440
You know, you need a good tour manager to make sure they're collecting those payments.

795
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:12,840
Well, if we can put all of that in a technology that does it automatically, then you don't

796
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,080
need to worry about getting paid.

797
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:19,880
You know, you play a show, the venue records that in an app and automatically the payment

798
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,800
hits your bank account.

799
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,720
You have a copyright, you record that on the blockchain.

800
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:30,560
You know, some of that copyright gets input into a Spotify song, that song gets played,

801
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,560
you get paid automatically.

802
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,120
I mean, there are ways that that can happen.

803
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,120
And I think that that, I think unfortunately that's probably a long way away because of

804
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,800
how many people in the industry have to buy into that concept and different parties, right?

805
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,080
You need publishers, you need recording labels, you need tech companies, you need Congress.

806
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,600
I mean, everyone needs to, I mean, we saw how long the Music Modernization Act took,

807
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,600
right?

808
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:58,120
I mean, that was a 10 plus year process of trying to get even minimal change in the copyright

809
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,120
law.

810
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,920
So make no mistake, what I'm describing isn't a tomorrow concept, but it's a concept that's

811
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,720
going to affect younger artists.

812
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:09,880
And to the extent they can be bought in to that concept early on, the better and quicker

813
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:10,880
they can adopt it.

814
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:16,400
And I think the more successful they will be both from a artist standpoint, but also

815
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,640
from a making money off your art standpoint.

816
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,160
So that would be my advice is just lean into, lean into technologies in the way you can,

817
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,440
the more you can keep up to date with what's happening in those technologies, the better

818
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,320
off I think you'll be.

819
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,200
So for those young students listening, after they're practicing your skills, you can start

820
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,200
to think about this early.

821
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,120
I mean, New York children, you know, they are, I mean, I'm on the upper side.

822
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,920
Sometimes I, you talk to them, I feel like they're older than me, you know, they are

823
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,080
so mature in their mindset.

824
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:51,160
And it's partially because of YouTube, because of TikTok, you know, they hear these things,

825
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,160
but they're a little lost.

826
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:57,000
I sometimes feel, you know, and which we felt that way ourselves, I'm sure, you know, when

827
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,960
we're younger, like, why do I practice like for all these hours?

828
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:00,960
Right.

829
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,960
And then, but I think they have a little better guidance in a way because of the technology.

830
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,720
And as you're saying, maybe you should look at that app.

831
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:15,640
That would be amazing if artists could get paid as soon as the work is done.

832
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:16,640
I think it'll happen.

833
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,720
And like I said, it's tough and it's difficult, but just to the extent that you can, you know,

834
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:26,640
you have some free time instead of just scrolling TikTok, you know, scroll some blogs on NFTs

835
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,440
or the music industry, you know, get on billboard and just kind of make sure you're keeping

836
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,440
up to date.

837
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,520
Because the more you can do that, the more prepared you will be as things shift.

838
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,600
You know, you don't want to get left behind.

839
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,400
You want to be an early adopter in those products.

840
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,840
And to be fair, oftentimes they are right.

841
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:49,560
I mean, you know, self-distribution through concepts like CD Baby, right?

842
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,600
Like that's a relatively new topic.

843
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,560
But overwhelmingly, the people that I see that are using that are younger artists, are

844
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,560
artists who are used to...

845
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,280
Hey, my teacher, I see him record his CD from CD Baby.

846
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,480
He is only 20-80, you know, so...

847
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,480
Well, and exactly.

848
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,240
That's not to say that it's just younger artists, but just in my experience, it's typically

849
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:11,760
younger artists because they're used to using the internet to get what they want.

850
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:12,760
Right.

851
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:18,680
And I think older artists are a little more wary of the new technology and would rather

852
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,600
do it the more traditional way for better or for worse.

853
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,560
Not to say that there aren't more experienced artists that see the benefit and are doing

854
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,000
it because they definitely are.

855
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,960
But I think that that is a good example of like, I think regardless, younger artists

856
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,560
are going to use those technologies.

857
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,840
So just don't get left in the dust kind of thing.

858
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:37,840
That's true.

859
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:38,840
Oh my gosh.

860
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,240
What an amazing conversation we had this morning.

861
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:42,240
Thank you so much.

862
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:43,240
Oh, yeah.

863
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:44,240
Very inspiring.

864
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:45,240
Thank you.

865
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:47,240
Oh, thank you for having me on.

866
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:48,440
Yeah, thank you.

867
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,520
So are we ready?

868
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,000
Are we ready for the rapid fire?

869
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,000
We're going to wake up.

870
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,000
I don't know what to do.

871
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,000
Have you called me yet?

872
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,000
Oh my goodness.

873
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,000
So...

874
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:02,080
Oh, we have one, so we'll see.

875
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:08,520
Make sure the answer, each answer has to be the shortest answer possible.

876
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,480
And I'm so glad you guys both are on.

877
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,840
So fight for an answer, just shout it.

878
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,120
So I'm going to say a question and Yuki Mi will say another question.

879
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,400
So we're just going to pop, pop, pop.

880
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:20,400
Are we ready?

881
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:21,400
It's on, Ricky.

882
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,400
All right.

883
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,400
So let's go.

884
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,400
Ricky, what's your comfort food?

885
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,280
Chinese food, like, well, American Chinese food.

886
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,280
Of course.

887
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,080
I studied abroad in Singapore and I know there's a huge difference.

888
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,440
Actually, you know what?

889
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,040
I'm going to clarify that one more.

890
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,040
Dim sum.

891
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,040
Dim sum.

892
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,040
Great.

893
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,280
What about you, Aguiliki?

894
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,280
French fries.

895
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,280
All right.

896
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,520
So my question, cats or dogs?

897
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,520
Dogs.

898
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,520
Dogs.

899
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,520
Wow.

900
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,520
That's a...

901
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,520
You guys are...

902
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,320
You sing with each other.

903
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,000
What is your word or words to live by?

904
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,400
It's a great day to be alive.

905
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,400
Ooh.

906
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,400
Nice one.

907
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:09,120
No matter how hard the day is, it's better than the alternative.

908
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,120
It's getting big.

909
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,120
I love that.

910
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,120
Wow.

911
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,120
Nice one.

912
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,120
Okay.

913
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,120
What is the most important quality you look for in people?

914
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,120
Modesty.

915
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,120
Trustworthiness.

916
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,120
Yeah.

917
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,120
Honestly, trustworthiness.

918
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,120
Have you rehearsed?

919
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,120
I know.

920
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,120
No, we have not.

921
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:30,120
What is the worst quality in people you want to stay away from?

922
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,120
Greediness.

923
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,120
Yeah.

924
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,120
I think greediness are just like dishonesty.

925
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:40,840
I mean, the exact opposite I think is just if you think someone is giving you one thing

926
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,560
to your face and something to someone else's face, it's just so hard to build trust in

927
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:45,560
a relationship.

928
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,600
We're so lucky to have you guys as lawyers in this world.

929
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:50,600
Okay.

930
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,120
Next one.

931
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,280
Name three people who inspire you, living or dead.

932
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,280
Ella Fitzgerald.

933
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,280
And then...

934
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,280
Go ahead.

935
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,280
Ella and then...

936
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:03,280
Oprah.

937
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,280
Oprah.

938
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,280
Oprah.

939
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,280
One more.

940
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,280
And Nana Muscari.

941
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,280
She's a great part of it.

942
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,280
Okay.

943
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:11,280
Beautiful.

944
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,280
Ricky.

945
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,280
Yeah.

946
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,880
I will keep mine a little more personal, except for one.

947
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,040
So one, I read Jay-Z's biography and it was actually quite fascinating.

948
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:26,600
I think that he doesn't get enough credit for how much he's done for music as a whole

949
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,960
and how far he's come.

950
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,200
So I think he's pretty inspiring.

951
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:35,760
But for me, it's my grandparents, both on my mom's side and dad's side, they immigrated

952
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,920
from Puerto Rico and Cuba respectively.

953
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,680
And just hearing those stories and kind of what they had to fight to give me the life

954
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,040
I had is just amazing.

955
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,400
And then probably my wife.

956
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,040
I mean, I think that we've been together since 2009.

957
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,800
I've seen and grown a lot.

958
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,960
And I wouldn't be anywhere where I am right now if it wasn't for her guidance and honestly

959
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,600
like just pushing me.

960
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,600
That's beautiful.

961
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:02,600
All right.

962
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:11,600
So which historic figure do you wish to learn or take lessons from if he or she were alive?

963
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:12,600
Historical figure.

964
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,280
I will just, I'm sure there's a billion that I could say.

965
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:23,120
I will say I recently read George Washington's biography and quickly realized that I think

966
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,560
he's a much more complex figure than people entirely realize.

967
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,720
I think it would just be fascinating to sit in a room with him and just pick his brain

968
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:30,720
and a couple of things.

969
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:31,720
I think that would be interesting.

970
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:32,720
What about you, Gaby?

971
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:33,720
I don't know.

972
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:34,720
I'm blanking.

973
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:35,720
Do I just have to pick one?

974
00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:40,720
You can pick as many as you want, but we're not.

975
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:41,720
Give us one.

976
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:42,720
I don't know.

977
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:43,720
Let's keep going.

978
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:44,720
I'm blanking.

979
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:48,320
We'll come back to you.

980
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,320
Yes.

981
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:50,320
Okay.

982
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,920
So next, which historical figure do you wish to hang out with at the bar if she or she

983
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:55,920
were alive?

984
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:56,920
And Grickey, do you have to answer?

985
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:57,920
Who do you want to party with?

986
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:58,920
I don't know.

987
00:52:58,920 --> 00:52:59,920
What figure at the bar?

988
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:00,920
At the bar.

989
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:01,920
This is such serious.

990
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:02,920
Now I see the lawyer faces coming.

991
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:03,920
Yeah, right.

992
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:04,920
Now we're getting the gears turning.

993
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,920
I guess I don't think about historical figures as much as I thought I would.

994
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:08,920
Yeah.

995
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,920
It's more like a classical musician kind of question.

996
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:12,920
That's right.

997
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:13,920
I was just going to say.

998
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:14,920
Yeah.

999
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:15,920
I was going to say.

1000
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:16,920
The only thing I can think of is the historical figure.

1001
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:17,920
I don't know.

1002
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:18,920
I don't know.

1003
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:19,920
I don't know.

1004
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:20,920
I don't know.

1005
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,920
I don't know.

1006
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:22,920
I don't know.

1007
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:23,920
I don't know.

1008
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,920
I was going to say.

1009
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:26,920
The only thing about people.

1010
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:27,920
I would love to chill with Rachmaninoff.

1011
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:28,920
I mean, is he a historical figure?

1012
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:29,920
Alright.

1013
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:30,920
Yeah.

1014
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:31,920
Yeah.

1015
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:32,920
Yeah.

1016
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:33,920
Yeah.

1017
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:34,920
You can't, you know.

1018
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:35,920
Sounds good.

1019
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:36,920
Probably sit on his hand speaking off as a student.

1020
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:37,920
Oh my gosh.

1021
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,920
Yeah, I guess it depends on how far back you go.

1022
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,920
I mean, I would love to hang out with Elvis Presley.

1023
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:44,920
Hang out with him.

1024
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:45,920
Bar I'm sure he's got some stories.

1025
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:46,920
Oh yeah.

1026
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,920
I feel like he would just be a character.

1027
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,920
He would totally be.

1028
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:52,920
Yeah.

1029
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,920
Name one piece in your current playlist.

1030
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,920
I'm sure that's easy.

1031
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:57,920
Oh my God.

1032
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,920
Switched by Corey Henry.

1033
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:00,920
Okay.

1034
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,920
Oh, I see.

1035
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:03,920
We have to.

1036
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,920
We're going to keep all of this in our Spotify favorite list.

1037
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:07,920
Yes.

1038
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:08,920
Go ahead.

1039
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:09,920
Ricky.

1040
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,920
For me, it's, I mean, it's the entire Machine Gun Kelly album recently.

1041
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:14,920
I don't know why it struck a chord.

1042
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,920
I think it's because it came out during the pandemic and it reminded me of like simpler

1043
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:19,920
times.

1044
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,920
I enjoyed punk rock and it was a very much punk rock heavy album.

1045
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,920
And it was, it was the first album in a long time that like, because I usually have to

1046
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,920
listen to albums a couple of times before I'm like, oh yes, I really do love this album.

1047
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,920
I always give an album at least two, if not three listens.

1048
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,920
But that album, it was like from the first chord.

1049
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,920
I was just like, and I was having a bad day.

1050
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,920
It was like deep in the pandemic and like things were looking pretty bleak.

1051
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,920
And I was like picking up the kitchen and like I just happened to press play and was

1052
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,920
just like, oh, and it just hit something for me.

1053
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,920
So that was one that I really, really enjoyed.

1054
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,920
It's on my playlist that I like to always tell people about.

1055
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:02,920
Okay.

1056
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:03,920
Great.

1057
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,920
So name one book title, name a book title you're currently reading.

1058
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,920
All you need to know about the music business.

1059
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:12,920
Oh yeah.

1060
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,920
Yeah, that's a good one.

1061
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,920
I just picked up the occasionally I like to read some science fiction.

1062
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,920
I just picked up the Dune series after watching the movie.

1063
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:22,920
Oh yeah.

1064
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,920
How was the movie?

1065
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,920
It was very, very well done.

1066
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:31,920
So much so that I immediately purchased the Kindle book because I was like, if the movie

1067
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,920
was that good, the book has to be phenomenal.

1068
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:34,920
And so far it's been great.

1069
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,920
Oh, wonderful.

1070
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:37,920
All right.

1071
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,920
Gosh, we have to check it out and our audience will check it out later.

1072
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,920
You got only one song or piece to listen to for the rest of your life.

1073
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,920
What is it?

1074
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:48,920
Sugar.

1075
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:49,920
We're going down swinging by fall out boy.

1076
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:50,920
Oh no.

1077
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:51,920
Wait.

1078
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,920
Oh, or I know it's a tough question.

1079
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,920
Um, what's the other one?

1080
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,920
What's the what's the big killer song?

1081
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:01,920
Mr.

1082
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:02,920
Brightside.

1083
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:03,920
I think Mr.

1084
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,920
Brightside by the killers is the it's one of those two.

1085
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,920
I think anytime that comes on, people who know me know that I will typically

1086
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:16,920
drop whatever I'm doing and go into a frenzy for better or for worse.

1087
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:17,920
Right.

1088
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:18,920
Check it out.

1089
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:19,920
Yeah, I know.

1090
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:20,920
I give a key word.

1091
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,920
I would say Sir Duke by Stevie Wonder.

1092
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:24,920
I can listen to him all day.

1093
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:25,920
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1094
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,920
I saw your place.

1095
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:27,920
All day and all night.

1096
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:28,920
Excellent.

1097
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:29,920
Okay.

1098
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,920
So last question.

1099
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,920
This is fill in the blank.

1100
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,920
Law is blank.

1101
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,920
Complicated.

1102
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,920
I see myself as a.

1103
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,920
As a, as a somewhat of like a Sherpa.

1104
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:44,920
Kind of guiding people.

1105
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:45,920
Like, you know,

1106
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:46,920
Yeah.

1107
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:47,920
Like it's the key word.

1108
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,920
I think it's a good one.

1109
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:50,920
I love that.

1110
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:51,920
What about your Ricky?

1111
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,920
Is it, you said just one word answers?

1112
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:54,920
Um,

1113
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:55,920
Can be.

1114
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:56,920
A few words.

1115
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:57,920
Yeah.

1116
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:58,920
I mean, I'd say.

1117
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,920
Like law is.

1118
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:01,920
Kind of.

1119
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,920
Deciphering the complicated to help people get to their goals.

1120
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:05,920
You know,

1121
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,920
I see myself as a, as a, as somewhat of like a Sherpa.

1122
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:09,920
I think it's a good one.

1123
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:10,920
Yeah.

1124
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:11,920
Like it's the crazy.

1125
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:12,920
It's not.

1126
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:13,920
It's complicated.

1127
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,920
But it's not anything anyone couldn't understand.

1128
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,920
It just requires the right teacher.

1129
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:18,920
Interpreter.

1130
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:19,920
Yeah.

1131
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:20,920
Yeah.

1132
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:21,920
Interpreter. Right.

1133
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,920
And I think that as our goal.

1134
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,920
At least my goal is to help interpret it to a way that the client

1135
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:27,920
feels comfortable.

1136
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,920
Um, I never.

1137
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:30,920
My goal is not to be an attorney.

1138
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:31,920
That's just like, here's the contract.

1139
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:32,920
Just take this and sign it.

1140
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:33,920
Yeah.

1141
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:34,920
Yeah.

1142
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,920
And then you can sign it to the client.

1143
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:39,920
I think if they find.

1144
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:40,920
Oh, go ahead.

1145
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,920
Oh, no. Yeah.

1146
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,920
I was going to say it's also important to avoid whenever you're talking

1147
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,920
to a client, you know, talking.

1148
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,920
Legal jargon. Cause we, we have our own language.

1149
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:52,920
It's always good to try to.

1150
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,920
Simplify it and explain it.

1151
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,920
Like Donald Passman does in his book, right? About the music industry.

1152
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:00,920
Same thing.

1153
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:01,920
Talk in layman terms.

1154
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,920
Yeah.

1155
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:05,920
It's the.

1156
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:05,920
Interpretation.

1157
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:05,920
Right.

1158
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:05,920
It's everything.

1159
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,920
Well, anyway, thank you so much guys for joining us this morning.

1160
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,920
Really, really early.

1161
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:11,920
And that concludes.

1162
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,920
Episode of the piano pot.

1163
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:14,920
Thank you.

1164
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,920
Attorney Hernandez and attorney.

1165
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:17,920
Thank you so much.

1166
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:18,920
You guys.

1167
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:19,920
Thank you for doing this.

1168
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,920
Your insights and expertise.

1169
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:22,920
And thank you.

1170
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:23,920
Our audience for tuning in.

1171
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,920
You can find more information on Mr.

1172
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:26,920
Hernandez.

1173
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:31,920
At the shackle.

1174
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,920
That a shuffle for that low profile.

1175
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:35,920
Ricardo Hernandez.

1176
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,920
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1177
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,920
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1178
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:43,920
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1179
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,920
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1180
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,920
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1181
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,920
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1182
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,920
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1183
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,920
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00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:06,920
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1185
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,920
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1186
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:11,920
Bye everyone.

1187
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:12,920
And thank you, Ricky.

1188
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:13,920
And thank you.

1189
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:14,920
Thank you.

1190
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:15,920
Thank you.

1191
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:16,920
Thank you.

1192
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:17,920
Thank you.

1193
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:18,920
Thank you.

1194
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:19,920
Thank you.

1195
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:20,920
Thank you.

1196
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:21,920
Thank you.

1197
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:22,920
Thank you.

1198
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:23,920
Thank you.

1199
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:24,920
Thank you.

1200
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:25,920
Thank you.

1201
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:54,920
Thank you.