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Welcome back to the PianoPod, everyone.

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Today I am thrilled to introduce a truly remarkable guest, Ophelia Gordon, a pianist whose artistry

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bridges classical and jazz with fresh energy and insight, particularly in the music of

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Nikolai Kapustin.

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Joining us from London, Ophelia brings a unique perspective on interpreting Kapustin's electrifying

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and genre-defying compositions.

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Her musical journey is anything but conventional.

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She began as a classical guitarist and double bassist studying at the Brit School before

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earning degrees in music from Durham University and City University London.

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Her passion for exploring different musical languages ultimately led her to the piano

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and to Kapustin, whose work brilliantly fuses classical structures with the rhythmic vitality

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of jazz.

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Now, recognized as one of the most exciting interpreters of Kapustin's music, Ophelia

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recently signed with Divine Art Recordings and is set to release her debut solo album,

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Kapustin Between the Lines.

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Through her performances and teaching and scholarship, she is introducing new audiences

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to Kapustin's extraordinary music.

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As a pianist and educator myself and podcast creator, I've always been fascinated by

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artists who carve out their own artistic identity.

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My own journey navigating the classical world while constantly evolving as a musician and

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entrepreneur has shown me the importance of vitality, curiosity, and authenticity.

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That's why I find Ophelia's story especially compelling.

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Her ability to bridge classical and jazz traditions while championing Kapustin's music is a testament

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to the power of artistic exploration.

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In this episode, we'll dive into Ophelia's fascinating journey, her transition to piano,

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her deep connection with Kapustin's music, and how she blends two musical traditions

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that are often seen as separate.

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Whether you are a pianist, a music lover, or someone passionate about artistic individuality,

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this conversation will challenge and inspire the way you think about music.

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Before we begin, I want to share something new with you.

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Every Friday, I publish a blog on Substack where I go beyond the podcast, offering personal

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reflections, behind the scenes insights, and thoughts on music, creativity, and the evolving

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role of classical musicians.

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for exclusive content and deeper discussions.

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Now, without further ado, let's welcome the extraordinary Ophelia Gordon to the Piano

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Pod.

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Please enjoy the show.

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You are listening to the Piano Pod, where we talk to the brightest minds in the industry

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about how they are bringing the piano into the future and thriving in a complex, ever-evolving

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world.

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Welcome to the Piano Pod, Ophelia.

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It's such a pleasure to have you on the show.

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Yay.

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Thank you.

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I'm so happy to be here.

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Thank you for having me.

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Thank you.

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So today, from where you are joining us?

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Yes.

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So I'm joining you from South London.

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A small suburb called Dulwich.

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Yeah, it's very nice.

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But literally right from the suburbs of London, so quite far away.

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Oh, how nice.

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I've never actually, I've never been to London, so I really would love to.

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Must have.

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Yes, I know, right?

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So, but before we dive in, I'd like to give a special shout out to Blair Boonmigura, founder

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of the Artsong Preservation Society of New York for introducing Ophelia to the Piano

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Of course, for our listeners, Blair and the Artsong Preservation Society of New York are

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no strangers.

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They were our sponsor of the month back in November 2024.

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So Ophelia, I hear that you were in New York a couple months ago.

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So I was lucky enough to have been invited to be the resident pianist for the Artsong

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Preservation Society, which happens at the Manhattan School of Music every June.

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And I became close with Blair earlier last year, and then he invited me out.

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And it was a fantastic experience working with roughly about 50 different singers.

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And I had to learn an incredible amount of repertoire in a very short space of time.

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I think I probably learned up to about 60 different artsong pieces.

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If my sight really hasn't improved after that, I don't know what will.

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But it was fantastic.

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And it's a very, very special organization that supports the preservation of artsong.

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So that was actually my first time to New York.

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So what an amazing first time.

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It's made me hungry for more.

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So I can't wait to get back out there.

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Will you be back for this summer?

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I've got quite a lot going on at the moment in London.

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I think it's taking up quite a lot of time, and I'm sure we're going to get into that

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in the chat.

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But hopefully there will be more opportunities.

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Yeah, you have to come back again and so that we can meet soon.

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Wow, great.

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But so today I'm really, really looking forward to exploring the unique style and legacy of

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groundbreaking Ukrainian composer Nikolai Kupustin, whose extensive innovative works

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have been performed by renowned pianists and cherished by so many.

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But surprised to know that his works remain relatively undiscovered until the later years

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in his life, no?

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As seems to be the way with certain composers, it's almost as soon as they've passed, that's

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when they really come out of the woodwork.

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And that's been my experience with him anyway.

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So I only recently discovered him in 2022.

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Oh, really?

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So I've actually never heard of him before.

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the 90s is when he was becoming more popular.

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And he's such an incredible composer.

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I feel so lucky to be talking about him with you and exploring him.

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I'm just incredibly passionate about his music.

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And I can tell.

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And then I really also want to discover why your obsession, right?

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And then I'm sure there are so many stories and explanations and behind it.

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But before we go even further, I usually start this question with most of the guests.

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So the first one, the first question for our conversation is if you were to capture the

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essence of your artistry, mission and passion in just a few sentences, how would you define

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yourself as an artist today?

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So I would say that I'm an artist who doesn't tick any boxes.

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I don't fit neatly into a style or an expectation.

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I'm very multifaceted.

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And my background, my education, my training and now my work really gives this multi diverse

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approach.

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And I think that as my artistry has been growing and changing and I've been maturing as a pianist,

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I'm starting to realise that it's being yourself and being authentic is what makes you an artist.

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And that's what gives you the strongest artistic voice.

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So it's a hard question.

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And I could talk forever about it really, but I think it's just about realising that

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I'm not a one size type of artist.

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And I have had so many different experiences that actually that's beginning to shape who

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I am as a unique person.

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And it's about embracing that voice and that authenticity.

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I don't know if that answers the question.

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Oh yeah, of course.

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Because this season's theme is authenticity and joy on the piano pod.

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And it just fits perfectly.

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So you said you don't quite fit in, but actually you fit into the piano pod theme perfectly.

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Thank you.

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But authenticity brings joy and happiness, right?

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I think that's it.

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I think it can take a long time to figure out who you are.

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And then when you start realising actually you're not meant to be another person, you're

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not meant to be another type of musician.

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We can admire other musicians and we can be inspired by them, but really they are not

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us.

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And we will only grow as an individual if we embrace ourselves.

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And that's what I'm learning to trust more and more.

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I'm still kind of at the beginning of my journey.

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Although I've achieved great things, I still feel like there's so much that's coming and

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I'm still figuring out more about who I am.

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But the more I lean into that's what makes me me, the more my audience are connecting

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with me.

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And the more my playing is improving as well.

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Just by trusting, do it your way and believe that and take all the little bits that you've

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picked up with you along your way, put that in your music and the audience respond in

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a very different way when you really are coming from that mindset.

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That's what I've been experiencing recently anyway.

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Yeah, but to get there to find your own voice is not easy.

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It's challenging.

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And I think culturally, in Europe in particular, it can be very difficult because there are

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expectations of what musicians should be like, what they should play, how they should play.

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There's so much protected repertoire, some of the most amazing repertoire, Beethoven,

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Chopin, Schubert, Bach.

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It's so protected that if you ever want to try something else, you have to expect some

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sort of backlash in some ways, right?

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Because it's just been worshiped for such a long time.

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But I'm beginning to notice that if you trust your own interpretations and you really have

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a reason for why you're playing the music, it changes the perception of the listeners.

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It's very interesting how there is this shift once you get to that point, but it takes a

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long time to get there.

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And I think it really comes from having had life experience.

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If you understand what the music is about and how you can relate it to yourself, that

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is when your music can really change.

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And that's what I've been experiencing.

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You've been saying trusting yourself, trusting one's self.

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Sometimes it's not easy because like you mentioned, not only in Europe or in the United Kingdom,

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but also in the United States too.

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What makes it classical music is classical music.

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And so just to break a little rule here and there, you almost feel like, am I supposed

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to be doing this?

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Can I trust my gut?

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Can I trust my intuition, instinct?

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And we get told so many different things.

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almost push it out the window.

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So you can pick up bits in the way, but at the end of the day, you playing the music

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and you need to connect with the reason why you're playing it.

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So it's getting to that stage and just trusting that everyone is going to have a different

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opinion about how you're playing, but they can never argue with why you're playing.

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And if you are able to demonstrate that emotional connection that you have, then it totally

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changes everything.

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that's the problem.

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I think that's one of the biggest barriers is it's almost like most musicians know I

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want to play it because I love it.

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You know, this piece reminds me of this or, you know, I have a reason of why I'm playing

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this music, but I struggle to be vulnerable enough to show that in my playing.

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coming from and why you're playing it.

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to hear.

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That's my experience anyway.

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That's been my recent experience.

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Wow, that's amazing.

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Now we can really talk more in depth.

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You already explored a little bit, but yeah, later, much later.

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But so I'm really sensing the reasons why you are attracted to Kapustin because he is

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his own thing.

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Absolutely, absolutely.

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So I first discovered his music on BBC Radio 3, which is a very popular radio station here.

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or something, but you know, didn't sort of clock.

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And then when I heard this piece, it was within about five seconds, I knew immediately I have

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to play this music.

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I was like, who is this?

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What is this?

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I'm going to go home as soon as I get home because I was in the car at the time.

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I said, as soon as I get home, I have to find out what this is.

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So I went on to the listing, you know, the radio listing of what was being played.

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And I saw it and I was like, oh my God.

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And I just listened to more and more and more and I just became completely obsessed.

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So that's almost three years ago.

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And then I started just by playing the first Etude.

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I thought this is a good plot.

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Where should I start?

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You know, so I'd already played varying different types of Etudes, Ligeti, Chopin, you know,

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different ones.

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But I thought, okay, I'll start with what seems to be one of the most popular pieces

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of Poussin.

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And it took, I'd say like about a month to understand the language properly.

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But then after that, Etude after Etude after Etude just became easier and easier.

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And now I'm doing an album.

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So it's crazy.

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It's going to be about 70 minutes of Capuchin.

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Wow.

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It kind of just exploded really.

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And now, you know, it's like, for me, it's the most comfortable repertoire that I play.

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Completely.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I feel so at home with it.

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And I knew that when I first heard it on the radio, I knew that I'm going to be able to

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do this music.

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Like it just spoke to me immediately.

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But going back to what you said about how Capuchin doesn't fit into a box either.

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And I think that must be what drew me to him.

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Because it had the language, the harmony, the rhythm of jazz.

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But it wasn't improvised.

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I'm happy to explain a bit about my background and why it spoke to me.

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Because I've had a very, very diverse exposure to music.

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And I grew up surrounded by jazz music.

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That was the sound of my home.

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So my mom is also a pianist.

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My granddad was a pianist.

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My great granddad was a concert pianist based in Paris.

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So there's a big lineage.

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And it even goes further, further back.

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Like my grandma's doing a family tree and she's discovered even more quite prominent

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French musicians in the family tree.

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So that's very exciting.

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I hope to kind of find out a bit more about who's in the tree and how it all connects.

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But I grew up predominantly to the sound of jazz because my mom was also a saxophonist.

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Pianist and saxophonist.

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Oh my goodness.

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Yes.

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So she had every weekend our home was basically a jazz club.

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Oh wow.

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And she'd have all her friends over and they'd play boogie woogie, blues.

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She'd have all her other sax friends playing and they'd all just be improvising and jamming.

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So my memories of being young are hearing that music, watching these musicians play.

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And every night before I'd go to sleep, my mom would put jazz music on.

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You know, there is that saying, there's that belief that if you play classical music to

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a baby, you know, it makes them intelligent.

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But I think this must have happened with jazz.

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You know, I've kind of developed that taste.

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However, my training was classical.

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So when I was, as soon as I was old enough to be able to actually play, there isn't really

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an age of when I started.

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I just began playing.

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I was probably about three when I was actually tinkering away and then started four more

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lessons probably a year later or something like that.

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But the training was straight away classical.

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So very traditional, learning to read the music, you know, yeah, very traditional approach.

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And I just went through the grades and kind of continued with that.

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I started also learning the violin, the guitar, double bass, the trumpet.

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Yeah.

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And I did them all to quite a high level.

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So yeah, it was, it was a very interesting musical upbringing because I was constantly

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surrounded by music.

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And the interesting thing is that I was listening to jazz, but playing classical music, which

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you think, oh, why did I maybe not express to play jazz?

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But I think, I think I was almost just doing what was shown to me, you know, or what my

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teachers were giving me was like, you know, I have that at home, but I'm doing this at

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school and, you know, and with my teachers and everything like that.

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So it was amazing when I heard Kapustin because it married those two things together.

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You know, it had the classical structure and I knew that it was written.

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That was the other thing, although it sounds very spontaneous, you know, spontaneous, I

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knew this is something I'm going to be able to play because of the training I've had.

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Yeah.

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So that was a really nice feeling, but it was the jazz spirit that I had always been

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looking for and felt like, oh, I wish I could play traditional jazz, but I just hadn't had

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the opportunity to really study it and, and was so focused on my classical repertoire

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at the time.

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Yeah, it's, it's been a very interesting journey.

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And I spent two years at a popular school in London, the Brit school, where, yeah, where

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some artists such as Adele, Amy Winehouse, some quite big names have come from there.

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And it was at that point where I started to realize, okay, I've had a lot of classical

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training at my educational places before, and then I arrived at the Brit school and

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it's totally the opposite.

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It's, it's, it's almost like there's no classical.

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I've done all of this classical training and now I'm thrown in the other, other end where

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I have to do transcriptions, I'm learning about music from all over the world.

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I'm learning how to song write.

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It's totally different, but I didn't feel like I fitted into either category.

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It was very strange.

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It was a very strange experience.

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And then even after that, you know, my education, I decided to go to university and, and focus

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on classical guitar.

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So I was, that was my, that was my main study, my principal study.

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And I was doing, so I did that for three, four years.

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And then again, I felt, is this what I should be doing?

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Do I fit in here?

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It's something doesn't feel totally at home, you know?

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I was kind of just doing what I felt was expected, I think.

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And I think it's quite a, an honest journey of a lot of musicians is they just kind of

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keep going with the path that they're shown and go, okay, this is your instrument, do

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the grades.

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If you like it, just keep going, keep going.

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And it was, it's actually really been since, since discovering Kapustin or maybe a year

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before where I started to feel like I need to start playing what's right for me, what

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feels right for me.

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So I would only choose repertoire really if it spoke to me, you know?

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And I think, I think it's that distinction between kind of doing what's expected and

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then actually playing really what connects to you and just going with that.

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And as soon as I started almost like rebelling in some way and not playing the repertoire

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that everyone was expecting me to play, my performing was improving because I felt this

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is really what I should be doing.

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And especially with Kapustin because it speaks to me and it speaks to my education as well.

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It, it, it's made me feel very at home and I have a very strong sentiment to, to playing

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his music.

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It's quite, it's quite strange, but it's, I can't really describe it in any other way,

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to be honest.

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Yeah, but in a way I can really feel you.

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I can really relate to you and classical music.

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Well, let's just focus on classical music.

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It's just like this pyramid.

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You're supposed to reach this top of this, right?

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Yeah.

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Tip, right?

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Yeah.

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But yeah.

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There's this sort of expectation.

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There's this huge expectation.

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And like going back to what I said about how protected the repertoire is, there's almost

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no room for your own imprint in it.

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You know, if you do do something that's totally personal, you have to be prepared that people

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are going to, are going to come up, come against it.

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You know, then they might not, they might not enjoy it.

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But I think that actually if you find repertoire, so it doesn't even have to be contemporary.

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It can be traditional repertoire, but it's, it's again, connecting to just playing it

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completely authentically and trusting that, you know, it's about, it's about anyone can

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really play the notes.

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You know, we can all, you know, if you spend enough time, we can all learn to play the

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right notes at the right time.

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But it's really about the why and how you can, how you can demonstrate that.

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And I'm hoping with Kapustin that I'm able to, you know, show my journey through the

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album because I'm not playing his music purely because I like it.

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You know, it's for a very different reason.

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And I think the album has come exactly at the right time in my life.

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And it's, it's an album about a journey.

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And it's not a finish, you know, it's not a perfect product.

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It's not, this is the pinnacle of, of my career.

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This is just a point in my journey and, and how I have found total almost expressive freedom

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in his playing.

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So does that make sense?

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Yeah,

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It does make sense.

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It does make sense.

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Wow.

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So the, well, we can talk more about the album later, but album comes in sometime in the

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fall 2025?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We're hoping, we're hoping.

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So I've recorded the first half.

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I've still got a lot more to do.

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But it's, it's all set to be recorded in the spring, which is really good.

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And then there's, you know, things that have to happen before it's released.

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But hopefully, hopefully in the next few months, I should be thinking about proper release dates

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and there'll be a launch party and it's all very exciting.

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But yeah, this year, this year definitely should be.

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So very exciting.

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That is very exciting.

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Now I've also, because I've known Kapustin for a while.

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Like, yeah, because I think he's bigger in the United States.

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Obviously his music was so influenced by American jazz music.

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So obviously if you're living in America, United States, you hear quite a bit.

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And then Yuzha Wang, she performed the, I think third, two to number three.

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Yeah.

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And that's famous.

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I've been to her concerts twice and at Lincoln Center and then she always plays that as one

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of the encore pieces.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's great because, because she's obviously this huge pioneering figure

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and for even just that little glimmer, for that, for that profile, for someone of that

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profile to be playing his music is fantastic.

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And I think that has started more and more people going, what is this?

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And I think it's fascinating that it's popular or maybe even more popular in America than

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it is at the moment in the UK because Kapustin never went to America.

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Yes.

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So, so.

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Wow.

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And it's amazing how he's an absolute genius because he picked, the whole influence has

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come from the radio, really, and TV.

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That was everything.

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There were visiting American pianists that would go to Russia and play because he spent

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a lot of his time in Russia.

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Although he always said he was a Ukrainian.

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So let's respect that and not say that he's Russian.

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But he, yeah, it's really special that he was able to pick up so much just from those

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mediums and I bet he would have loved to have gone to America and actually seen it and absorbed

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it in the flesh.

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But the pure genius that he is.

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You know, because I've tried several etudes.

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I tried the first one and I think I tried the number four, etude number four, Remembrance.

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Oh, so beautiful.

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And then number five, Railery.

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Oh, that is just insane.

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It has the blend of what Rachmaninoff to Bill Evans to Art Tatum.

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It's really incredible.

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So apparently Kapustin's favorite pianist was Oscar Peterson.

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And actually you can hear that in the preludes.

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Mostly I feel personally, I think that that's the response I've gotten mostly from audiences

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as well, because every time I've performed his music and actually almost for the last

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six months, all of my concerts have been all Kapustin.

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So if you come to watch me, be prepared to listen to just Kapustin.

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But people love it.

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And they just say, they almost are teaching, the audiences are teaching me even more as

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well because they'll come back and say, that sounded exactly like Herbie Hancock.

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You know, and I hadn't thought, actually, yeah, that is a bit like her.

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You know, so I love hearing other people's responses to his music because then it's educating

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me as well.

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And I think that's really special.

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And then I recently posted a video, you know, sadly, so many artists now have to use social

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media, you know, to promote their music.

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And although it can be a difficult world to navigate, I think it's quite important that

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we try to reach audiences through that way.

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And I posted a video, just a short clip of me playing some of the Kapustin, and it's

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00:33:21,220 --> 00:33:25,820
had almost 35,000 views, which is fantastic.

484
00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:30,860
But it's the comments that I'm getting from it are incredible because the audiences are

485
00:33:30,860 --> 00:33:34,900
saying that sounds like it's from a Japanese video game.

486
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:36,220
Like where's this from?

487
00:33:36,220 --> 00:33:38,540
Or, you know, that sounds like Prokofiev.

488
00:33:38,540 --> 00:33:44,820
And it's so amazing how there are all these little snippets of the music that people are

489
00:33:44,820 --> 00:33:50,380
picking up such different ideas from, but everyone is just loving it.

490
00:33:50,380 --> 00:33:53,780
I think that's the main thing is that there are more and more people now discovering his

491
00:33:53,780 --> 00:33:57,660
music that instantly are like, what is this?

492
00:33:57,660 --> 00:34:00,940
Almost like the way that I felt when I first heard his music.

493
00:34:00,940 --> 00:34:01,940
Yeah.

494
00:34:01,940 --> 00:34:06,500
Well, I felt the same way when I first heard it and it was so shocking.

495
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:13,460
And then, yeah, it's jazzy, but it's not quite jazz jazz because you hear all these classical

496
00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:17,100
elements as a classical musician, you instantly know that's classical.

497
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:22,660
There's no way that's improvisation, but it's like, so, yes, it's so interesting.

498
00:34:22,660 --> 00:34:23,660
Yeah.

499
00:34:23,660 --> 00:34:27,460
So I want to know what makes his music so unique.

500
00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:32,380
We just talked about it, but and then unique and compelling for both classical and jazz

501
00:34:32,380 --> 00:34:33,380
pianists.

502
00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:34,380
Yes.

503
00:34:34,380 --> 00:34:39,700
So if I come from more of a jazz perspective, because what I have found very interesting

504
00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:48,180
is most of the people that have connected with me online have actually been jazz musicians

505
00:34:48,180 --> 00:34:51,340
and they are the ones that are like, what is this?

506
00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:52,340
Interesting.

507
00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:53,340
Are you improvising?

508
00:34:53,340 --> 00:34:54,340
Have you written that?

509
00:34:54,340 --> 00:34:56,620
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

510
00:34:56,620 --> 00:35:03,460
But isn't that fascinating that actually more jazz musicians are picking up on the playing

511
00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:05,020
than classical?

512
00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:09,500
So it definitely speaks to them immediately, but there's hardly anyone really.

513
00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:18,340
I mean, it's becoming more popular, but most of the jazz musicians that I have encountered

514
00:35:18,340 --> 00:35:23,780
and worked with even had never heard of Kirsten either, but they're kind of like, they perk

515
00:35:23,780 --> 00:35:27,460
up, you know, they go, well, who is this?

516
00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:33,580
Like, I think I might need to actually find out who this person is because it really resonates

517
00:35:33,580 --> 00:35:35,580
with their language.

518
00:35:35,580 --> 00:35:43,340
And I think that's why they are now picking up more about it because of the use of the

519
00:35:43,340 --> 00:35:46,300
rhythm, because of the use of the harmony.

520
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:53,580
And I'm currently doing a master's, a conservatoire for Trinity Laban in London, and I'm doing

521
00:35:53,580 --> 00:35:55,580
both classical and jazz.

522
00:35:55,580 --> 00:35:56,580
Really?

523
00:35:56,580 --> 00:35:57,580
Yeah.

524
00:35:57,580 --> 00:35:58,580
And amazingly-

525
00:35:58,580 --> 00:35:59,580
In piano?

526
00:35:59,580 --> 00:36:00,580
Yes, very in piano.

527
00:36:00,580 --> 00:36:01,580
Oh my God.

528
00:36:01,580 --> 00:36:08,220
Yeah, so, but what I'm loving is that I'm taking the jazz professors, the Kabustin,

529
00:36:08,220 --> 00:36:13,100
they'd never heard of him, but they go, oh my God, like, what is this?

530
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:14,380
This is incredible.

531
00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:19,660
And they're very honest about the fact that they say, I don't know if I'd ever play this.

532
00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:22,300
They say, I don't know if I'd ever be able to play this.

533
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:27,820
And I don't know if necessarily I'd feel comfortable playing it.

534
00:36:27,820 --> 00:36:33,420
But they actually say to them, this is jazz, which is really interesting.

535
00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:43,140
So I've found myself in lots of interesting conversations about is Kabustin jazz or classical?

536
00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:48,860
And yes, it's very, it's kind of really straight away, it is classic.

537
00:36:48,860 --> 00:36:49,860
You know, okay.

538
00:36:49,860 --> 00:36:56,420
If we respect the tradition of playing written music, and also a lot of the interpretation,

539
00:36:56,420 --> 00:37:00,300
a lot of the composition has classical elements to it.

540
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:05,020
But when I play it to a jazz musician, they say it's jazz.

541
00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:09,420
And then I open up the question to them, but hang on, what about improvisation?

542
00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:12,140
Isn't improvisation jazz?

543
00:37:12,140 --> 00:37:15,820
And there is so much jazz now that isn't improvised.

544
00:37:15,820 --> 00:37:16,820
Isn't?

545
00:37:16,820 --> 00:37:19,660
No, there's a lot.

546
00:37:19,660 --> 00:37:26,140
So if jazz musicians, I think it takes a certain jazz musician to maybe talk about that, be

547
00:37:26,140 --> 00:37:27,860
happy to talk about that.

548
00:37:27,860 --> 00:37:32,740
And improvisation is a huge tradition in the jazz world.

549
00:37:32,740 --> 00:37:33,740
That is jazz.

550
00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:35,380
To me, that is jazz.

551
00:37:35,380 --> 00:37:41,580
But I find it interesting that some jazz musicians are saying to me, I think Kabustin is jazz.

552
00:37:41,580 --> 00:37:45,860
And I think, oh, but this opens a whole other debate of what is what then?

553
00:37:45,860 --> 00:37:50,060
You know, why is jazz only improvisation?

554
00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:53,220
And why is classical only written?

555
00:37:53,220 --> 00:37:55,180
Because you also have classical improvisation.

556
00:37:55,180 --> 00:38:01,140
Yes, because Bach, Bach's time of improv was a normal thing.

557
00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:02,140
Absolutely.

558
00:38:02,140 --> 00:38:09,940
So it opens up this whole other, you know, line of debate, really.

559
00:38:09,940 --> 00:38:13,820
And I'm not in any position to kind of put anything in any box.

560
00:38:13,820 --> 00:38:19,580
And I think that's what I am about, is that actually, I'm not going to be for or against

561
00:38:19,580 --> 00:38:20,580
either viewpoint.

562
00:38:20,580 --> 00:38:26,740
But I just find it fascinating how other people are responding to it and saying, no, I think

563
00:38:26,740 --> 00:38:27,740
it's jazz.

564
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:31,860
And then you might take it to another musician and they say, no, I think it's classical.

565
00:38:31,860 --> 00:38:34,940
And it's like, okay, well, what is it?

566
00:38:34,940 --> 00:38:42,980
You know, and Kabustin himself was very adamant that he was a classical pianist and that this

567
00:38:42,980 --> 00:38:45,580
is classical music.

568
00:38:45,580 --> 00:38:53,700
But if he were alive today, I would love to say to him, but you must be improvising to

569
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:56,420
get to your composition.

570
00:38:56,420 --> 00:39:05,300
Like you must have been skilled in that art because your compositions are so dynamic.

571
00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:11,980
And the research I've done is that he obviously, it started off with an idea and then he composed

572
00:39:11,980 --> 00:39:13,300
on top of it.

573
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:20,540
And that was why he said it made it so, you know, so perfect.

574
00:39:20,540 --> 00:39:25,940
It's because the improvisation in the early stage was refined.

575
00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:32,340
And so he says it can't be considered jazz because it's not improvisation, it is written.

576
00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:35,080
And I think that's really important to honor that.

577
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:40,340
And I would never, I'd almost never advertise the music as jazz.

578
00:39:40,340 --> 00:39:47,980
But you can't take away that there is harmony and rhythm here that is of the jazz language.

579
00:39:47,980 --> 00:39:50,420
So it's a really unusual place.

580
00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:58,740
And classical, when classical musicians approach it, they're coming, you know, if they haven't

581
00:39:58,740 --> 00:40:06,820
had that kind of exposure to jazz before, they're playing in a very kind of formal way

582
00:40:06,820 --> 00:40:12,380
of this is just an etude and I'm playing it just as an etude.

583
00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:19,580
Whereas I think if you have maybe a stronger understanding of the jazz sound, you can maybe

584
00:40:19,580 --> 00:40:27,820
pick up nuances that Kapustin would have maybe had appreciated in the performances.

585
00:40:27,820 --> 00:40:29,780
Does that make sense?

586
00:40:29,780 --> 00:40:36,460
So I think what's important, at least for my own approach, is that my understanding

587
00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:44,380
of jazz is just constantly being developed and enriched in a very practical sense as

588
00:40:44,380 --> 00:40:51,220
well so that it's constantly influencing my interpretations of the written score.

589
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:54,500
So you've got to have both really, I think in this.

590
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:58,740
I'm hearing this in and out of either side, right?

591
00:40:58,740 --> 00:40:59,740
Yes, yeah.

592
00:40:59,740 --> 00:41:00,740
That's it.

593
00:41:00,740 --> 00:41:06,060
It's very, it can be a very debatable subject.

594
00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:07,060
Very.

595
00:41:07,060 --> 00:41:12,460
And it kind of leans back to the protectiveness of people's repertoire and the protectiveness

596
00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:14,020
of genre.

597
00:41:14,020 --> 00:41:22,740
And I'm just finding that as I'm developing as a musician, I really want to cross those

598
00:41:22,740 --> 00:41:25,980
or I want to challenge those ideas.

599
00:41:25,980 --> 00:41:34,620
And yeah, and very, and what's really great is that I'm, because of my studying now, I've

600
00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:40,980
been kind of given this extra space to just have fun and explore, experiment with no kind

601
00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:41,980
of expectation.

602
00:41:41,980 --> 00:41:47,340
You know, it's like a playground.

603
00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:48,480
So it's great.

604
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:57,900
So I'm just at the start of a Kapustin project where I'm creating lead sheets for jazz musicians

605
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:05,460
of Kapustin's etudes and I'm going to create a classical and jazz musician collaborative

606
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:06,940
performance.

607
00:42:06,940 --> 00:42:12,380
So the idea is that the jazz musicians will be able to improvise with the classical musicians

608
00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:17,020
playing Kapustin's music and it's going to be expanded.

609
00:42:17,020 --> 00:42:20,580
And I think that that is something that needs to happen.

610
00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:26,340
And I think Kapustin has kind of given this opportunity to explore this.

611
00:42:26,340 --> 00:42:29,700
So this is what I would like to do and this is what I'd like to explore.

612
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:33,220
So that's a whole other thing.

613
00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:34,700
I have so many questions.

614
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:36,580
Wait, wait, wait.

615
00:42:36,580 --> 00:42:47,540
So based on Kapustin's current, let's say some etude number one, something like that.

616
00:42:47,540 --> 00:42:48,540
Yeah.

617
00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:53,300
Then you are making a lead sheet out of it.

618
00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:54,300
Right.

619
00:42:54,300 --> 00:43:00,300
And then the lead sheet is usually there's a melody, single melody line and you'll see

620
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:03,820
the chord names on top.

621
00:43:03,820 --> 00:43:06,140
And then jazz has its own chord thing.

622
00:43:06,140 --> 00:43:12,140
Like you see the letter, we kept the letter with like a little bit of a different codes

623
00:43:12,140 --> 00:43:20,220
to follow, like a C minus C, M, A, J. I'm explaining to my listeners.

624
00:43:20,220 --> 00:43:22,320
So that's exactly what you're doing.

625
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:28,300
And they usually jazz musicians, when they do like a big ensemble or something, they

626
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:30,540
have this lead sheet in front of them.

627
00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:34,500
Then they're improvising according to the lead sheet.

628
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:38,980
So you're not supposed to go play the different chord.

629
00:43:38,980 --> 00:43:39,980
Yes.

630
00:43:39,980 --> 00:43:41,980
You have to follow.

631
00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:42,980
Yes.

632
00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:46,180
You have to respond to what the harmony is saying.

633
00:43:46,180 --> 00:43:50,020
And once you know what the harmony is, it then opens up doors to the scales that you

634
00:43:50,020 --> 00:43:52,220
can play within that harmony.

635
00:43:52,220 --> 00:43:57,260
So then that helps you improvise on top of the harmony that's been written out.

636
00:43:57,260 --> 00:44:05,980
So my project is really to analyze all of the harmony across the whole etude.

637
00:44:05,980 --> 00:44:10,060
That's going to take, that's a lot of work, which is why I'm really trying to learn jazz

638
00:44:10,060 --> 00:44:18,340
as much as I can and understand harmony in that way so that I can analyze that.

639
00:44:18,340 --> 00:44:23,420
But what I want to be able to do is to be able to say, okay, classical musician, here's

640
00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:28,660
the score, learn the score, do it as you normally would.

641
00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:32,540
But here's the lead sheet for the jazz musicians.

642
00:44:32,540 --> 00:44:37,300
And although the classical musicians, there might be a slight, there might be more space

643
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:38,300
given.

644
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:43,260
I might put sections in where it will give room to the jazz musicians to improvise.

645
00:44:43,260 --> 00:44:45,500
So there will be slight arrangements.

646
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:53,220
The whole point is that on stage or in a performance setting, we will be able to play together.

647
00:44:53,220 --> 00:44:57,380
And there won't be this, there won't be this, oh, well, you're only jazz, so you can't

648
00:44:57,380 --> 00:45:01,060
play this and you're classical, so you're not allowed to play.

649
00:45:01,060 --> 00:45:04,060
There's got to be a joining here.

650
00:45:04,060 --> 00:45:09,220
And we aren't all, you only have to stay on that side and you have to stay on that side.

651
00:45:09,220 --> 00:45:13,820
And I think Kapustin is that perfect platform to do that.

652
00:45:13,820 --> 00:45:16,540
He's almost given you the template for that.

653
00:45:16,540 --> 00:45:22,420
He said, here's the harmony in a classical structure, but why can't we improvise on top

654
00:45:22,420 --> 00:45:23,420
of that?

655
00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:32,060
You just, well, unlocked the question, the answer to the question, the ultimate question.

656
00:45:32,060 --> 00:45:39,020
So basically jazz musicians, what makes the jazz is the lead sheet based on the sheet.

657
00:45:39,020 --> 00:45:44,180
The freedom, yeah, the freedom of being able to say, okay, I do have a structure here.

658
00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:48,460
You know, I have to follow the harmony, but really I'm free.

659
00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:54,180
And I think with Kapustin's music, although it is structured and it is, you have to learn

660
00:45:54,180 --> 00:45:58,060
the notes, like we were the classical musician.

661
00:45:58,060 --> 00:46:04,900
You've got to play it with freedom and you've got to have that jazz feel of the spontaneity

662
00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:09,740
of improvisation and I think that's really important in studying.

663
00:46:09,740 --> 00:46:11,980
But how do you do that as a classical musician?

664
00:46:11,980 --> 00:46:16,500
If I may ask, yes.

665
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:18,700
I think it comes down to trust.

666
00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:24,900
And actually, yeah, and actually almost saying, this is the way I want to play this phrase

667
00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:27,620
and I want it to be expressed in this way.

668
00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:32,820
I want to voice it this way, or I'm going to accentuate it in a different way, which

669
00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:39,380
in the jazz world, you know, who says you can accent whatever you want?

670
00:46:39,380 --> 00:46:42,300
You know, there isn't really like a set thing.

671
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:45,900
You can do your own thing, right?

672
00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:51,540
And I think that's what you have to trust with Kapustin's music in that although you're

673
00:46:51,540 --> 00:46:55,140
playing the notes and it's written and you do want to see, okay, if Kapustin has put

674
00:46:55,140 --> 00:47:01,820
an accent on one of the notes, we should respect that because he's taken time to write that

675
00:47:01,820 --> 00:47:02,820
down.

676
00:47:02,820 --> 00:47:08,860
But Kapustin, in some of his scores, when he's actually, when we've been lucky enough

677
00:47:08,860 --> 00:47:14,260
that he's written a description about how he wants to play the piece, which you do find

678
00:47:14,260 --> 00:47:22,980
in some of his scores, he says from his own words, play this as if it is being improvised.

679
00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:25,500
That's what he says.

680
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:26,500
Yes.

681
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:31,860
He says it needs to be played, not like a Takata style cadenza.

682
00:47:31,860 --> 00:47:34,860
You know, it doesn't, we don't want it to be even.

683
00:47:34,860 --> 00:47:40,260
It actually needs to be, you know, alive.

684
00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:42,860
And it's amazing to have actually read that.

685
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:50,540
And it's almost given credit to, he wants you to play it like jazz and not so much in

686
00:47:50,540 --> 00:47:52,980
a classical way.

687
00:47:52,980 --> 00:47:56,780
And I think that that's really fascinating to explore.

688
00:47:56,780 --> 00:48:02,660
But going back to kind of authenticity, if you want to play it in a classical way, play

689
00:48:02,660 --> 00:48:06,820
it in a classical way, you know, there's kind of no right or wrong.

690
00:48:06,820 --> 00:48:14,060
And it's, I think every pianist should try and play his music because I think you learn

691
00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:18,180
a lot about how you want to interpret things.

692
00:48:18,180 --> 00:48:22,700
And it will give you, it will give you that platform to do that.

693
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:23,700
I think so.

694
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:29,940
And, you know, what makes his music so, so fascinating and attractive is that, you know,

695
00:48:29,940 --> 00:48:37,860
I'm not a jazz musician and I tried, but jazz is a different language you speak, right?

696
00:48:37,860 --> 00:48:43,740
The way they, so going back to Leedsheet versus the written work, so the way jazz musicians

697
00:48:43,740 --> 00:48:48,260
think about music and the way we think about, I think about classical music is different.

698
00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:50,160
So that's one thing.

699
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:56,340
So when I tried Capustin's some of the etudes, I was like, wow, I feel like I was a jazz

700
00:48:56,340 --> 00:49:01,260
musician because I've always wanted to be like that, you know?

701
00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:03,740
Maybe next life, in the next life.

702
00:49:03,740 --> 00:49:11,300
I think that's why it's so special because it does connect, it does connect a side of

703
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:17,740
you that you might have always wanted or something that you've always loved, you know, an art

704
00:49:17,740 --> 00:49:22,420
form that you've always loved that you've just never had access to or never had, you

705
00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:24,580
know, it just hadn't happened.

706
00:49:24,580 --> 00:49:30,020
And I think that written out jazz, so not even just Capustin, but any jazz that has

707
00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:35,140
been notated is really, is really special for people.

708
00:49:35,140 --> 00:49:42,020
And I think that it shouldn't automatically not be considered jazz because it's not spontaneous.

709
00:49:42,020 --> 00:49:53,300
You know, I think that yes, jazz is a language and it has its total own tradition, but there

710
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:58,900
needs to be an access for people in a different way, in a different way.

711
00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:04,100
And I think it's very interesting just because I'm coming at it from a very different place.

712
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:08,820
And I've had a very unusual upbringing musically.

713
00:50:08,820 --> 00:50:16,620
But that, yeah, that is your, because of that, because of your versatility that contributes

714
00:50:16,620 --> 00:50:19,940
to playing his works.

715
00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:24,060
And also you will be the expert in his music, right?

716
00:50:24,060 --> 00:50:26,860
Because you can understand both sides.

717
00:50:26,860 --> 00:50:27,860
Yes.

718
00:50:27,860 --> 00:50:37,900
And I think, you know, I'm just trusting my own vulnerability about it, you know, and

719
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:43,380
thinking, well, there'll be other musicians that will play Capustin in the future.

720
00:50:43,380 --> 00:50:47,180
And there are other musicians that play his music now that might disagree with the way

721
00:50:47,180 --> 00:50:52,620
that I'm playing, but that's fine because I'm trusting that I'm doing it in a way that

722
00:50:52,620 --> 00:50:54,900
feels right for me.

723
00:50:54,900 --> 00:51:03,460
And based on my understanding of the two different genres, that's how I'm playing it.

724
00:51:03,460 --> 00:51:08,780
And I think that's really how it, that's all you can do as an artist is just trust that

725
00:51:08,780 --> 00:51:13,580
I'm doing it this way, you know, and I'm connected to it this way.

726
00:51:13,580 --> 00:51:17,580
And yeah, lean into that, I think.

727
00:51:17,580 --> 00:51:22,140
And it can be said for all genres, you know, all different types of music.

728
00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:28,180
It's really about if you trust, if you trust the way that you want to play it, and you

729
00:51:28,180 --> 00:51:32,500
are able to communicate that, then it works.

730
00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:37,380
You know, or I'm finding it's working.

731
00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:40,980
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But you know what?

750
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You're beaming.

751
00:53:00,020 --> 00:53:03,260
Your energy is just coming through this screen right now.

752
00:53:03,260 --> 00:53:05,020
Because you found your way.

753
00:53:05,020 --> 00:53:14,460
Because I love talking to people who are sort of like you, like in a gray area.

754
00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:17,180
It's not black and white.

755
00:53:17,180 --> 00:53:18,300
I don't belong in this.

756
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:24,100
I don't belong in that, but you are on your own thing.

757
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:26,460
But then I understand.

758
00:53:26,460 --> 00:53:35,300
So when someone like you then finding, because of that, the challenge would be really finding

759
00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:39,820
your own voice or own expression.

760
00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:46,140
I mean, whether that happens with most artists at some point, I don't know.

761
00:53:46,140 --> 00:53:49,820
I don't think people talk about that really.

762
00:53:49,820 --> 00:53:55,180
But I mean, before Kapustin, I was playing a lot of Rachmaninoff.

763
00:53:55,180 --> 00:53:58,020
And I really loved playing his repertoire.

764
00:53:58,020 --> 00:54:02,020
And I still play kind of in my spare time.

765
00:54:02,020 --> 00:54:04,380
I still play his repertoire.

766
00:54:04,380 --> 00:54:07,260
And that's another music that speaks to me as well.

767
00:54:07,260 --> 00:54:12,060
And I used to have people say, you play it so honestly.

768
00:54:12,060 --> 00:54:14,820
And I always wondered what they meant by that.

769
00:54:14,820 --> 00:54:20,260
And it wasn't necessarily about you're playing it honestly as you're learning, you're playing

770
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:22,220
the notes honestly.

771
00:54:22,220 --> 00:54:26,540
You're actually playing it because it's, you're playing it honestly because you're playing

772
00:54:26,540 --> 00:54:29,620
it exactly how you feel you need to play.

773
00:54:29,620 --> 00:54:35,180
It's the honesty from yourself, which I think is what they were referring to.

774
00:54:35,180 --> 00:54:45,620
So I think all artists or any aspiring musician can feel hope in that and think, you know,

775
00:54:45,620 --> 00:54:50,740
if it's coming from an honest place and I'm really connected to the music, it totally

776
00:54:50,740 --> 00:54:53,940
transforms the playing.

777
00:54:53,940 --> 00:55:00,620
And to trust that it's okay to be your own voice and that you don't have to fit into

778
00:55:00,620 --> 00:55:02,460
any particular category.

779
00:55:02,460 --> 00:55:10,020
And actually, as soon as you start becoming yourself, that's when people resonate with

780
00:55:10,020 --> 00:55:12,860
you more or you connect even more.

781
00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:20,340
And it's a very amazing experience when you start doing that because just even in performances,

782
00:55:20,340 --> 00:55:27,580
the kind of the response I get when I'm just totally playing myself and not sort of thinking,

783
00:55:27,580 --> 00:55:31,220
I must make sure I do this or, you know, that teacher's told me to do this.

784
00:55:31,220 --> 00:55:32,540
I've got to do this.

785
00:55:32,540 --> 00:55:37,220
You know, as soon as you just start trusting, I know what I want to do and I know I can

786
00:55:37,220 --> 00:55:40,020
do it, the whole game changes.

787
00:55:40,020 --> 00:55:43,220
So, and I think that's what's happened.

788
00:55:43,220 --> 00:55:47,740
And I think that's how the album has come around because I was so, I was so in love

789
00:55:47,740 --> 00:55:51,900
with Kaboostin and I just, I think at the time I'd only learned a few of the etudes

790
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:58,380
and the record label heard me play and they just said, we love this.

791
00:55:58,380 --> 00:56:01,580
We want to sign you and just do a whole album of it.

792
00:56:01,580 --> 00:56:05,780
And I was like, but I was just playing.

793
00:56:05,780 --> 00:56:12,340
I wasn't even like, I was doing a recording, but it wasn't like a commercial recording

794
00:56:12,340 --> 00:56:17,700
and they were involved in the project and I wasn't feeling particularly well in the

795
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:19,820
day and I was just like, oh, you know what?

796
00:56:19,820 --> 00:56:20,820
It's fine.

797
00:56:20,820 --> 00:56:25,460
I'm just going to play my best and, you know, just kind of be myself.

798
00:56:25,460 --> 00:56:28,740
I can't do anything other than be myself really.

799
00:56:28,740 --> 00:56:30,700
And they just absolutely loved it.

800
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:37,860
And I thought, oh my God, like I wasn't competing, you know, there wasn't any kind of formality.

801
00:56:37,860 --> 00:56:45,140
I was just playing how I would normally play and, or I was just playing me.

802
00:56:45,140 --> 00:56:47,140
Does that make sense?

803
00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:48,140
Yes.

804
00:56:48,140 --> 00:56:52,540
You know, it must have been a really hard work to get there, I'm sure, but at the same

805
00:56:52,540 --> 00:57:00,100
time, how fortunate that being able to find, you know, your ways and it took, it must took

806
00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:02,140
a lot of courage too sometimes.

807
00:57:02,140 --> 00:57:03,140
Yeah.

808
00:57:03,140 --> 00:57:06,380
And I'm still, I'm still working through that, you know, and I think there might be

809
00:57:06,380 --> 00:57:12,580
a point, I think where I think as artists, you'll always have to do that because there'll

810
00:57:12,580 --> 00:57:16,860
always be someone that might have something negative to say, which is very normal.

811
00:57:16,860 --> 00:57:19,060
We all have to understand that.

812
00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:24,460
And you know, there'll always be people that will have expectations of what you should

813
00:57:24,460 --> 00:57:28,980
be doing or how you should be playing or what repertoire you should be playing.

814
00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:36,700
And I think you've just got to lean into the feeling of, of the music that you play.

815
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:42,380
And if it feels right, if it lights you up, if it gets you out of bed, then that's what

816
00:57:42,380 --> 00:57:47,100
you should be playing, you know, and, and it's okay to do that.

817
00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:50,460
Like it's okay to follow that and trust that.

818
00:57:50,460 --> 00:57:52,500
You know, do you know what I mean?

819
00:57:52,500 --> 00:57:53,500
Yeah, yes.

820
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:54,500
Yeah.

821
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:55,500
Wow.

822
00:57:55,500 --> 00:57:56,500
But that's amazing.

823
00:57:56,500 --> 00:58:02,260
So I can't really wait for the album to come because, you know, thank you.

824
00:58:02,260 --> 00:58:08,220
Yeah, that that's like the really one of you said it's not a pinnacle.

825
00:58:08,220 --> 00:58:10,700
It's just a, you know, one of the process.

826
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:16,820
But I, yeah, but at the same time, it's like the product where you produce your producing

827
00:58:16,820 --> 00:58:20,420
or something with all the hard work you've.

828
00:58:20,420 --> 00:58:26,540
So I want to know what exactly you will be playing in the album for the album.

829
00:58:26,540 --> 00:58:29,540
So you said, are you doing all eight concert?

830
00:58:29,540 --> 00:58:30,540
Yes.

831
00:58:30,540 --> 00:58:35,500
I'm doing all the etudes and I've recorded them now, so they're done.

832
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:36,500
Yeah.

833
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:42,740
So it took about, it's interesting actually, the recording process.

834
00:58:42,740 --> 00:58:47,260
There's kind of mixed, mixed ideas about how it should be done, you know.

835
00:58:47,260 --> 00:58:50,500
So some people say you should get it done in a day.

836
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:51,500
Try and do it in a day.

837
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:53,500
Others are saying, no, no, no, it takes a week.

838
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:54,860
You know, you've got to have a whole week.

839
00:58:54,860 --> 00:58:56,380
So I thought I'll go for the middle.

840
00:58:56,380 --> 00:58:57,740
I'll go for three days.

841
00:58:57,740 --> 00:59:03,660
So I gave myself three days to record all of them and we got it all done and that was

842
00:59:03,660 --> 00:59:04,660
amazing.

843
00:59:04,660 --> 00:59:10,860
And yeah, kind of looking forward to hearing them all, you know, together and once they're

844
00:59:10,860 --> 00:59:15,340
mastered and everything and just hearing the final product would be fantastic.

845
00:59:15,340 --> 00:59:19,620
So I'm also recording seven preludes.

846
00:59:19,620 --> 00:59:29,340
But yeah, from ranging kind of from number five up to 23.

847
00:59:29,340 --> 00:59:34,740
So there's a mixture of a mixture of them there and I've chosen specific ones kind of

848
00:59:34,740 --> 00:59:37,980
back to my point of which ones make me feel.

849
00:59:37,980 --> 00:59:41,740
How do they make me feel when I really play them and really listen to them and which ones

850
00:59:41,740 --> 00:59:43,620
am I most passionate about?

851
00:59:43,620 --> 00:59:48,780
But I also felt it was important to maybe include some that if you hadn't heard Kapustin's

852
00:59:48,780 --> 00:59:53,040
music before, these are good starting points.

853
00:59:53,040 --> 01:00:00,540
These are really this is Kapustin, you know, kind of like the one for my own taste anyway,

854
01:00:00,540 --> 01:00:04,980
because some of his music can also become quite contemporary.

855
01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:10,620
There's a lot that's almost slightly atonal in style, like the tonal sense quite hard

856
01:00:10,620 --> 01:00:11,620
to pinpoint.

857
01:00:11,620 --> 01:00:18,780
And I thought I don't want to choose anything that's going to be too inaccessible for both

858
01:00:18,780 --> 01:00:20,680
jazz and classical audiences.

859
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,900
So I've chosen some of I think my favorite ones.

860
01:00:23,900 --> 01:00:30,700
And then I've also I'm also recording four standalone solo pieces.

861
01:00:30,700 --> 01:00:32,500
I'm not really familiar with those.

862
01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:34,180
Yeah, they're wonderful.

863
01:00:34,180 --> 01:00:38,460
I think if you want to first start playing Kapustin, they're probably the best repertoire

864
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:39,460
to start with.

865
01:00:39,460 --> 01:00:40,460
I mean, the etudes are great.

866
01:00:40,460 --> 01:00:45,660
You know, if you if you have kind of if you're ready for the challenge and the kind of technical

867
01:00:45,660 --> 01:00:46,660
aspect of it, great.

868
01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:54,060
But if you want to learn more like songs or just nice pieces, they're really good to start.

869
01:00:54,060 --> 01:00:59,820
So there's one called Big Band Sounds, which actually was written, Kapustin originally

870
01:00:59,820 --> 01:01:02,660
wrote it for Big Band and Piano.

871
01:01:02,660 --> 01:01:05,780
And I'm hoping to do performances of that soon.

872
01:01:05,780 --> 01:01:09,180
So that yeah, that would be like literally the big band.

873
01:01:09,180 --> 01:01:10,180
Yes.

874
01:01:10,180 --> 01:01:11,180
Yeah.

875
01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:12,180
Yeah.

876
01:01:12,180 --> 01:01:13,180
So that would be fantastic.

877
01:01:13,180 --> 01:01:14,500
But he then rewrote it for solo piano.

878
01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:17,860
So that would be fantastic.

879
01:01:17,860 --> 01:01:24,740
And then there's also a few slower, more reflective pieces, one called Contemplation, another

880
01:01:24,740 --> 01:01:29,260
called Ballad, which actually doesn't have as far as I'm aware, doesn't have a commercial

881
01:01:29,260 --> 01:01:30,700
recording for you.

882
01:01:30,700 --> 01:01:31,700
So that's really exciting.

883
01:01:31,700 --> 01:01:36,380
So that'll sort of be a premiere of that, which is really great.

884
01:01:36,380 --> 01:01:45,380
I'm also doing a paraphrase on a famous Brazilian piece called Acrela do Brasil.

885
01:01:45,380 --> 01:01:49,500
So totally different from his other repertoire.

886
01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:51,500
It's so, so Brazilian.

887
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:53,220
It's a samba piece.

888
01:01:53,220 --> 01:01:58,700
And I again wanted the audience to hear so much versatility and show everything that

889
01:01:58,700 --> 01:02:05,460
he does, big band, Preludes, Etudes, Brazil, you know, samba, contemplate, you know, really

890
01:02:05,460 --> 01:02:07,940
contemplative music as well.

891
01:02:07,940 --> 01:02:12,980
And I'm giving I've given myself a bit of a challenge of also learning one of his two

892
01:02:12,980 --> 01:02:17,820
piano pieces and I'm recording both parts myself.

893
01:02:17,820 --> 01:02:22,460
And that is a paraphrase on Dizzy Gillespie's Manteca.

894
01:02:22,460 --> 01:02:26,420
So yeah, that's really that's a huge challenge, actually.

895
01:02:26,420 --> 01:02:32,340
I think that's probably going to be the most challenging one and also one that I'm most

896
01:02:32,340 --> 01:02:37,860
curious to see how the audience respond to it, especially the jazz audience, because

897
01:02:37,860 --> 01:02:45,060
it is a very famous jazz piece by one of the biggest jazz artists that's ever lived.

898
01:02:45,060 --> 01:02:50,500
And it's going to be really fascinating to see what they think of that.

899
01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:56,780
And I'm studying really carefully the original recordings of the Manteca, lots of different

900
01:02:56,780 --> 01:03:02,460
recordings from Dizzy with different bands and yeah, loads of different recordings from

901
01:03:02,460 --> 01:03:09,020
that to make my own interpretation as as I would want it.

902
01:03:09,020 --> 01:03:10,020
So that's really exciting.

903
01:03:10,020 --> 01:03:12,180
Yeah, but that's that's quite a big challenge.

904
01:03:12,180 --> 01:03:15,340
So I think in total, there's going to be about 21 tracks.

905
01:03:15,340 --> 01:03:16,340
Oh, my goodness.

906
01:03:16,340 --> 01:03:17,340
Yes.

907
01:03:17,340 --> 01:03:20,740
I think that's everything.

908
01:03:20,740 --> 01:03:22,740
I'm trying to think if there's anything I've left off.

909
01:03:22,740 --> 01:03:25,500
No, I think that's about yeah, I think it will be about 21.

910
01:03:25,500 --> 01:03:27,580
So it's going to be a lot of work.

911
01:03:27,580 --> 01:03:33,580
And it's crazy how it's all just coming together and it's happening.

912
01:03:33,580 --> 01:03:38,580
I think what I'm learning as well as a recording artist is that once you've actually recorded,

913
01:03:38,580 --> 01:03:41,220
you're still going to be playing this repertoire.

914
01:03:41,220 --> 01:03:46,260
But I'm also playing the repertoire in such a different way since the recording.

915
01:03:46,260 --> 01:03:50,460
And it's that evolution of your playing of my playing.

916
01:03:50,460 --> 01:03:51,460
Yeah.

917
01:03:51,460 --> 01:03:57,020
And I think I think that's what's really fascinating to learn about this journey is that I people

918
01:03:57,020 --> 01:04:00,260
will come and see my performances.

919
01:04:00,260 --> 01:04:05,500
And although they're still the same pieces, my evolution, my growth as a musician will

920
01:04:05,500 --> 01:04:09,020
be in a different place from when I actually recorded.

921
01:04:09,020 --> 01:04:14,620
And it's almost like they'll get a very different experience from coming to watch them live.

922
01:04:14,620 --> 01:04:16,060
And I think that's exciting, though.

923
01:04:16,060 --> 01:04:23,100
I think that's a really nice thing to embrace that you can, you know, there's the product,

924
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:27,100
there's the album, that's the tracks, but you'll get something totally different.

925
01:04:27,100 --> 01:04:29,340
So come and see me.

926
01:04:29,340 --> 01:04:37,380
You know, and I'm actually just about to do a first performance of arrangements of the

927
01:04:37,380 --> 01:04:40,020
etudes with drums and bass.

928
01:04:40,020 --> 01:04:45,740
So forming my own trio, which is yeah, based on one of the etudes.

929
01:04:45,740 --> 01:04:47,340
Yeah, yeah.

930
01:04:47,340 --> 01:04:52,980
So when I first started learning the music, I obviously came across a great pianist called

931
01:04:52,980 --> 01:04:57,180
Frank Dupree, who's recorded a huge amount of Capustin.

932
01:04:57,180 --> 01:04:58,180
Oh, yes.

933
01:04:58,180 --> 01:05:01,740
I think I just heard his piano concerto number four.

934
01:05:01,740 --> 01:05:02,740
Yes.

935
01:05:02,740 --> 01:05:03,740
By Capustin.

936
01:05:03,740 --> 01:05:07,100
Yeah, he's just released a new album.

937
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:13,580
And he one of his first Capustin albums was his trio arrangements of Capustin.

938
01:05:13,580 --> 01:05:15,840
And they're fantastic.

939
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:22,820
And I think that's that's given, again, even more evidence of that this music can be played

940
01:05:22,820 --> 01:05:24,220
in such a different way.

941
01:05:24,220 --> 01:05:26,540
And it's almost like a Piazzolla.

942
01:05:26,540 --> 01:05:27,540
Makes me think of Piazzolla.

943
01:05:27,540 --> 01:05:28,540
Right.

944
01:05:28,540 --> 01:05:29,540
Right.

945
01:05:29,540 --> 01:05:30,540
Yes, very much.

946
01:05:30,540 --> 01:05:31,540
Yeah, very much.

947
01:05:31,540 --> 01:05:34,620
And I think it's it's a really exciting feature.

948
01:05:34,620 --> 01:05:40,000
And although the album isn't going to have any, you know, trio arrangements, I'm looking

949
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:45,260
forward to putting that into my performances and giving the audience is a whole nother

950
01:05:45,260 --> 01:05:47,020
taste of his music.

951
01:05:47,020 --> 01:05:53,140
So it's amazing how art history can develop so quickly.

952
01:05:53,140 --> 01:05:56,180
And you can constantly come up with new ideas.

953
01:05:56,180 --> 01:06:00,180
And already, you know, if you come come and talk to me again in three months, I'll probably

954
01:06:00,180 --> 01:06:01,180
have another idea.

955
01:06:01,180 --> 01:06:03,180
It would have changed again.

956
01:06:03,180 --> 01:06:05,180
It's just so exciting.

957
01:06:05,180 --> 01:06:06,180
Really exciting.

958
01:06:06,180 --> 01:06:12,820
I mean, I mean, even just learning, you know, Kapustin's music for the first time, I'm just

959
01:06:12,820 --> 01:06:13,820
like playing.

960
01:06:13,820 --> 01:06:19,700
And usually when it's like a classical repertoire, I can really hear it while looking at the

961
01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:20,700
score.

962
01:06:20,700 --> 01:06:22,220
This is it's supposed to be.

963
01:06:22,220 --> 01:06:27,220
But Kapustin, I'm I need a little bit more time.

964
01:06:27,220 --> 01:06:31,340
One thing is because I don't have the jazz background, but also I don't necessarily hear

965
01:06:31,340 --> 01:06:34,060
it by just looking at the score.

966
01:06:34,060 --> 01:06:35,060
Does that?

967
01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:36,060
Yes.

968
01:06:36,060 --> 01:06:39,260
Do you experience that?

969
01:06:39,260 --> 01:06:43,420
I think at first I had to work on that as well.

970
01:06:43,420 --> 01:06:48,860
And I think the difficulty with it is because of the way it's drawn rhythmically.

971
01:06:48,860 --> 01:06:54,380
And because because as classical musicians, we are sort of used to reading rhythm in that

972
01:06:54,380 --> 01:06:55,380
in that way.

973
01:06:55,380 --> 01:07:02,260
And I've had to take his music to I've taken his music to so many different jazz musicians.

974
01:07:02,260 --> 01:07:06,420
And they say to me, well, this is this is a funk rhythm.

975
01:07:06,420 --> 01:07:07,700
This is how you need to play it.

976
01:07:07,700 --> 01:07:14,020
And you need to play it with the metronome on the off beats and play it with a drummer.

977
01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:17,900
You can't play it like a classical musician on the down beats.

978
01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:20,540
It's got to be syncopated.

979
01:07:20,540 --> 01:07:29,140
And I think for for musicians who aren't so accustomed to to to listening to jazz or playing

980
01:07:29,140 --> 01:07:35,020
any jazz, it can be quite disorientating and they can't always settle into the groove and

981
01:07:35,020 --> 01:07:38,260
understand how to read that kind of groove.

982
01:07:38,260 --> 01:07:41,140
Personally, there's so many notes.

983
01:07:41,140 --> 01:07:44,180
It's just there's just so many.

984
01:07:44,180 --> 01:07:51,220
I feel like it's more of a rhythmical thing that people need to study more or kind of

985
01:07:51,220 --> 01:07:54,600
explore more, become more comfortable with.

986
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,500
And then the notes kind of fall into place.

987
01:07:57,500 --> 01:08:04,460
So if I if I were to suggest to some to anyone how to start any Kapustin repertoire, because

988
01:08:04,460 --> 01:08:11,980
it can feel daunting, start by understanding what the rhythm is and almost write the rhythm

989
01:08:11,980 --> 01:08:20,220
out or clap the rhythm or write down one and two and one to, you know, all tiny digits,

990
01:08:20,220 --> 01:08:23,460
figure it out, understand what the time signature is.

991
01:08:23,460 --> 01:08:31,140
OK, so if if there are 16 semi-crovers, but you're not going to want to hear all the semi-crovers,

992
01:08:31,140 --> 01:08:36,100
you know, we want to we want to divide that up, then that's when you get the metronome

993
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:37,100
out.

994
01:08:37,100 --> 01:08:42,220
You say, OK, it's got to be on beat two and beat four and then get used to playing that.

995
01:08:42,220 --> 01:08:47,660
Because as classical musicians, we would never practice really with an offbeat metronome.

996
01:08:47,660 --> 01:08:52,260
It takes a lot of time to be able to feel comfortable with that.

997
01:08:52,260 --> 01:08:57,780
But as soon as you get it, it kind of it it sinks in and it really helps, really helps

998
01:08:57,780 --> 01:08:59,160
with your rhythm.

999
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:04,640
So that's how I would that's kind of my advice of how to approach it.

1000
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,740
And as soon as you start understanding jazz harmony as well.

1001
01:09:08,740 --> 01:09:13,260
So I do think you need to study a little bit about jazz harmony and you'll start noticing

1002
01:09:13,260 --> 01:09:20,820
that the shapes your hands make are the voicings of what would be appropriate for the jazz

1003
01:09:20,820 --> 01:09:22,100
chord.

1004
01:09:22,100 --> 01:09:28,700
So try to play any any form of maybe slightly easier jazz repertoire.

1005
01:09:28,700 --> 01:09:34,520
Like I love there's a composer who is UK based called Nikki Iles.

1006
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:40,740
And she she's a fantastic jazz pianist and her music is super.

1007
01:09:40,740 --> 01:09:46,180
It kind of ranges from sort of around grade three right up to advanced.

1008
01:09:46,180 --> 01:09:50,660
So it's it's really great for anyone that's not as advanced with jazz and wants to just

1009
01:09:50,660 --> 01:09:55,180
start playing jazz repertoire that's written.

1010
01:09:55,180 --> 01:10:01,420
If you want to look for something before Kapustin, that's a really good entry point.

1011
01:10:01,420 --> 01:10:04,620
And then you can start sort of understand once you've kind of worked on the rhythm,

1012
01:10:04,620 --> 01:10:07,380
you can understand, OK, where is the melody?

1013
01:10:07,380 --> 01:10:09,500
Is there a melody here?

1014
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:12,460
And how can I how can I find that?

1015
01:10:12,460 --> 01:10:17,620
But I think the amazing thing about Kapustin is that you can in some pieces you can just

1016
01:10:17,620 --> 01:10:20,620
decide yourself where the melody is.

1017
01:10:20,620 --> 01:10:21,620
That's what I felt.

1018
01:10:21,620 --> 01:10:24,300
And yeah, that's what I've really felt.

1019
01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:31,780
And I think there's so much room to just interpret it as as you would like.

1020
01:10:31,780 --> 01:10:33,140
And that's the joy of it.

1021
01:10:33,140 --> 01:10:38,140
And that's what gives me the freedom is that actually, I think there's a voice here or

1022
01:10:38,140 --> 01:10:39,580
I think there's a voice here.

1023
01:10:39,580 --> 01:10:42,980
You know, like, why don't why don't we bring out the thumb in the left hand like you would

1024
01:10:42,980 --> 01:10:44,980
sometimes in classical repertoire?

1025
01:10:44,980 --> 01:10:46,380
But why can't we do it here as well?

1026
01:10:46,380 --> 01:10:49,980
You know, there's there's nothing to stop me from doing that.

1027
01:10:49,980 --> 01:10:53,540
So you can make a lot of choices yourself.

1028
01:10:53,540 --> 01:10:59,180
And and I haven't had anyone I've had not very many professors say, no, no, no, don't

1029
01:10:59,180 --> 01:11:00,180
do it like that.

1030
01:11:00,180 --> 01:11:28,820
So it's yes, it's it's working well.

1031
01:11:28,820 --> 01:11:30,980
So tell me more of yourself.

1032
01:11:30,980 --> 01:11:35,060
And we'll get back to Kapustin again, you know.

1033
01:11:35,060 --> 01:11:42,740
But it's interesting, like because you were like for college, you were playing classical

1034
01:11:42,740 --> 01:11:47,180
guitar and I think you were also playing double bass.

1035
01:11:47,180 --> 01:11:48,420
You know, yes, yes.

1036
01:11:48,420 --> 01:11:51,860
So that's a jazz jazz double bass or both.

1037
01:11:51,860 --> 01:11:52,860
Yeah.

1038
01:11:52,860 --> 01:11:56,740
So I was in jazz bands growing up and I was also.

1039
01:11:56,740 --> 01:11:58,980
I was in classical.

1040
01:11:58,980 --> 01:11:59,980
Yes, yes.

1041
01:11:59,980 --> 01:12:06,180
So although although I've had it's funny because I still don't think I've had super, super

1042
01:12:06,180 --> 01:12:13,580
jazz training, not as a pianist, definitely more as a bassist, for sure.

1043
01:12:13,580 --> 01:12:20,260
And also, I'm starting I think even just this week, I was reflecting a lot on my background

1044
01:12:20,260 --> 01:12:26,060
and I'm trying to become more aware of my identity, you know, of just the type of musician

1045
01:12:26,060 --> 01:12:27,060
I am.

1046
01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:31,420
And I was thinking to myself, I actually did a lot of transcription.

1047
01:12:31,420 --> 01:12:35,020
And that's a really big thing in the jazz training.

1048
01:12:35,020 --> 01:12:36,580
So so yes.

1049
01:12:36,580 --> 01:12:45,780
So so when I was when I was gosh, I went to a music specialist Catholic girls school when

1050
01:12:45,780 --> 01:12:49,180
I was 11 and the music was amazing.

1051
01:12:49,180 --> 01:12:50,180
And I did.

1052
01:12:50,180 --> 01:12:51,820
I was in every ensemble going.

1053
01:12:51,820 --> 01:12:53,180
I was in all the choirs.

1054
01:12:53,180 --> 01:12:57,940
I was in every violin orchestra, the principal orchestras.

1055
01:12:57,940 --> 01:13:00,780
I was in the jazz band, the guitar ensemble, everything.

1056
01:13:00,780 --> 01:13:05,940
I just I just couldn't not do every every ensemble they had.

1057
01:13:05,940 --> 01:13:11,980
And double bass came along because I'd already reached a good level on the guitar and I was

1058
01:13:11,980 --> 01:13:15,180
playing bass guitar.

1059
01:13:15,180 --> 01:13:17,660
You know, the double bass is a really endangered species.

1060
01:13:17,660 --> 01:13:20,260
There aren't that many double bassists.

1061
01:13:20,260 --> 01:13:24,100
I mean, obviously now in the industry, you meet more and more, but growing up, it's quite

1062
01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:26,020
rare to play the double bass.

1063
01:13:26,020 --> 01:13:30,620
And the school I was at the time were very encouraging of it.

1064
01:13:30,620 --> 01:13:33,220
And they gave me a double bass and gave me lessons.

1065
01:13:33,220 --> 01:13:36,860
And I just kind of, you know, picked it up straight away because of everything that I

1066
01:13:36,860 --> 01:13:38,500
had done before.

1067
01:13:38,500 --> 01:13:40,700
And I'd love playing that.

1068
01:13:40,700 --> 01:13:48,260
And then, yeah, when I was 16, 15, 16, my piano teacher at the time passed away.

1069
01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:50,980
So he yeah, so I'd reached a good level.

1070
01:13:50,980 --> 01:13:54,940
I think I was working on a diploma or whatever.

1071
01:13:54,940 --> 01:13:58,140
And then he just he passed away quite suddenly.

1072
01:13:58,140 --> 01:14:04,620
And I found myself being really encouraged with the guitar and the double bass and all

1073
01:14:04,620 --> 01:14:07,980
my solo opportunities at school were all on the guitar.

1074
01:14:07,980 --> 01:14:13,300
And I thought, OK, well, I think I've had enough of the classical world that I want

1075
01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:14,860
to I want to do something else.

1076
01:14:14,860 --> 01:14:17,380
You know, and the Brit school was in my town.

1077
01:14:17,380 --> 01:14:19,660
And I thought, OK, I'm going to go there.

1078
01:14:19,660 --> 01:14:23,820
But it was such a transition from where I had just been.

1079
01:14:23,820 --> 01:14:27,260
And it was completely the other way.

1080
01:14:27,260 --> 01:14:33,420
And I'd gone from this really quite strict classic, well, not mostly classical, but very

1081
01:14:33,420 --> 01:14:40,180
traditional educational setting to total opposite.

1082
01:14:40,180 --> 01:14:44,780
Everyone's smoking, you know, wearing their own clothes.

1083
01:14:44,780 --> 01:14:45,780
Like really?

1084
01:14:45,780 --> 01:14:46,780
Well, OK.

1085
01:14:46,780 --> 01:14:50,740
And I felt, oh, my God, I don't know if I should be here.

1086
01:14:50,740 --> 01:14:52,220
I don't know if I should be here.

1087
01:14:52,220 --> 01:14:54,340
You know, and I've obviously gained a place.

1088
01:14:54,340 --> 01:14:55,340
It's really hard to get in.

1089
01:14:55,340 --> 01:14:57,140
Like thousands of kids apply.

1090
01:14:57,140 --> 01:14:59,940
And I was I was really pleased to get to go.

1091
01:14:59,940 --> 01:15:05,380
But then when I was there, I was like, I don't know if I fit here because I've come from

1092
01:15:05,380 --> 01:15:07,380
such a different place.

1093
01:15:07,380 --> 01:15:14,740
And then I decided when I was 18, I thought, OK, I'm going to go and study classical guitar

1094
01:15:14,740 --> 01:15:18,580
at university, which I did, and I was still playing bass a lot.

1095
01:15:18,580 --> 01:15:22,220
So piano had kind of just gone to the side slightly for a bit.

1096
01:15:22,220 --> 01:15:26,500
I was still playing, but I wasn't having many lessons.

1097
01:15:26,500 --> 01:15:33,140
And then when I finished my undergrad in guitar and double bass, because of my mom's connections

1098
01:15:33,140 --> 01:15:38,780
with the piano, I kind of found myself with a full time job teaching piano.

1099
01:15:38,780 --> 01:15:40,300
You know, I've had so cheap.

1100
01:15:40,300 --> 01:15:46,060
There was so much work available for me as a young musician who just finished and it

1101
01:15:46,060 --> 01:15:47,620
was great security.

1102
01:15:47,620 --> 01:15:52,220
And then I realized actually I've kind of neglected the piano a little bit.

1103
01:15:52,220 --> 01:15:57,780
And yes, when I was about 21, I was like, OK, I'm going to go back to my own studying

1104
01:15:57,780 --> 01:15:59,820
of it and really focus.

1105
01:15:59,820 --> 01:16:02,060
And then my whole world just changed.

1106
01:16:02,060 --> 01:16:06,860
Really, like I kind of rekindled this love that I'd always had.

1107
01:16:06,860 --> 01:16:15,100
But perhaps because the passing of a teacher, you kind of feel a bit left.

1108
01:16:15,100 --> 01:16:19,340
You know, it's quite an unusual experience when you've just hit that point and you're

1109
01:16:19,340 --> 01:16:25,500
playing really advanced repertoire and then the teacher that you've trusted just goes.

1110
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:32,820
And I was also navigating a different school and my identity was changing.

1111
01:16:32,820 --> 01:16:38,300
You know, like I don't know who I am, you know, a teenager is really difficult.

1112
01:16:38,300 --> 01:16:44,860
And then when I was 21, I kind of threw myself back into my own training of piano and now

1113
01:16:44,860 --> 01:16:45,860
we're here.

1114
01:16:45,860 --> 01:16:52,820
So it's just it's just been a very unusual journey to kind of come here.

1115
01:16:52,820 --> 01:16:53,820
What a journey.

1116
01:16:53,820 --> 01:17:01,420
But thank you for sharing your story because yeah, but you know, I was thinking about double

1117
01:17:01,420 --> 01:17:03,420
bass.

1118
01:17:03,420 --> 01:17:10,260
I wish I had some sort of a experience with that because what I struggle tried to play

1119
01:17:10,260 --> 01:17:19,300
jazzy stuff or when I was even taking a few lessons from this jazz pianist in New York,

1120
01:17:19,300 --> 01:17:24,420
Jim Riddle, whom I also interviewed in first season season one.

1121
01:17:24,420 --> 01:17:26,180
And he's an incredible jazz pianist.

1122
01:17:26,180 --> 01:17:28,860
And then what I struggled was the baseline.

1123
01:17:28,860 --> 01:17:32,580
So he would say, boom, boom, boom, boom, you know, then he do this.

1124
01:17:32,580 --> 01:17:37,020
I'm like, I hear it, but I can't do it.

1125
01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:43,020
When I saw somebody would play this humongous chorus like Rachmaninoff and I play this,

1126
01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:44,020
I can do it.

1127
01:17:44,020 --> 01:17:45,580
I can hear it.

1128
01:17:45,580 --> 01:17:48,540
But that bass line, I cannot improvise.

1129
01:17:48,540 --> 01:17:49,900
I cannot do it.

1130
01:17:49,900 --> 01:17:54,860
Yes, I think that I think that's interesting, actually, because obviously with Kapustin's

1131
01:17:54,860 --> 01:17:56,660
music, there is that bass.

1132
01:17:56,660 --> 01:18:01,460
Although there's chords and there's a lot of left hand voicing, so you're not always

1133
01:18:01,460 --> 01:18:04,180
just playing a singular note.

1134
01:18:04,180 --> 01:18:11,340
But because I played so much bass in different styles as well, so it wasn't just finger style,

1135
01:18:11,340 --> 01:18:16,420
it was also with the bow, I really resonated with the lower register.

1136
01:18:16,420 --> 01:18:18,420
And I was also an alto.

1137
01:18:18,420 --> 01:18:22,260
So I was singing always the lower register.

1138
01:18:22,260 --> 01:18:28,660
And it's made me very comfortable playing all the left hand really in Kapustin.

1139
01:18:28,660 --> 01:18:35,780
It just kind of I voice it as if it is bass, you know, so definitely having had all those

1140
01:18:35,780 --> 01:18:39,940
years of bass playing helps has helped significantly.

1141
01:18:39,940 --> 01:18:46,700
I think the only thing I really wish that I had had were drum lessons.

1142
01:18:46,700 --> 01:18:50,900
And although I think my rhythmical sense probably from being a bassist and playing with drummers

1143
01:18:50,900 --> 01:18:54,380
when I was at the BRIT, we are constantly playing with drummers.

1144
01:18:54,380 --> 01:18:57,180
So I think I have do have that.

1145
01:18:57,180 --> 01:19:00,060
But I would have loved to have done that as well.

1146
01:19:00,060 --> 01:19:02,540
It's not too late, though, you know, maybe I could take some.

1147
01:19:02,540 --> 01:19:03,540
Yeah, no delay.

1148
01:19:03,540 --> 01:19:09,340
Next time I maybe you come back here and say, hey, I just picked up on drums.

1149
01:19:09,340 --> 01:19:16,260
I did have this crazy idea of kind of like recording my own trio ensembles of Kapustin

1150
01:19:16,260 --> 01:19:18,300
and just teaching myself the drums.

1151
01:19:18,300 --> 01:19:21,060
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1152
01:19:21,060 --> 01:19:29,020
But you know, idea of making this piano solo into this jazz band stuff, it just blows my

1153
01:19:29,020 --> 01:19:30,020
mind.

1154
01:19:30,020 --> 01:19:31,020
Yeah.

1155
01:19:31,020 --> 01:19:32,020
Yeah.

1156
01:19:32,020 --> 01:19:35,940
Did somebody did somebody suggest you to do it or is it coming from the inspiration of

1157
01:19:35,940 --> 01:19:36,940
his music?

1158
01:19:36,940 --> 01:19:38,940
Oh, definitely his music.

1159
01:19:38,940 --> 01:19:45,660
So so I think what was really funny was that as soon as I started really studying Kapustin,

1160
01:19:45,660 --> 01:19:51,180
I knew immediately I wanted to play this music with a live drummer immediately.

1161
01:19:51,180 --> 01:19:53,420
So I did contact a drummer like within a week.

1162
01:19:53,420 --> 01:19:56,380
I was like, could you you know, do you want to collaborate?

1163
01:19:56,380 --> 01:19:57,380
Can we play this together?

1164
01:19:57,380 --> 01:19:59,580
And it sounds incredible.

1165
01:19:59,580 --> 01:20:03,300
And then when I was doing even more research, I then discovered Frank's album.

1166
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:07,640
And I was like, oh, OK, so this is happening.

1167
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,700
This is actually happening.

1168
01:20:09,700 --> 01:20:14,380
And it kind of gave me the courage to think I can do that as well.

1169
01:20:14,380 --> 01:20:19,340
Like, you know, if he's if Frank has done this and kind of set this set this scene of

1170
01:20:19,340 --> 01:20:23,380
you can do these interpretations, go for it.

1171
01:20:23,380 --> 01:20:27,220
Obviously, they'll be Frank's and these will be mine.

1172
01:20:27,220 --> 01:20:30,660
So we won't do things, you know, in the same way.

1173
01:20:30,660 --> 01:20:32,180
We have a very artistic difference.

1174
01:20:32,180 --> 01:20:36,900
And I think that's what's really nice is that you can still do arrangements and they can

1175
01:20:36,900 --> 01:20:38,460
be totally different.

1176
01:20:38,460 --> 01:20:45,740
But he was kind of that that confidence and now we've become good friends and, you know,

1177
01:20:45,740 --> 01:20:47,380
we talk about Kapustin a lot.

1178
01:20:47,380 --> 01:20:49,340
And I've said, oh, can you give me a suggestion?

1179
01:20:49,340 --> 01:20:51,660
You know, how could I maybe work on his interpretation?

1180
01:20:51,660 --> 01:20:54,300
You know, what could we do?

1181
01:20:54,300 --> 01:20:58,980
And spoke to his drummer and his bassist as well and kind of getting more and more advice

1182
01:20:58,980 --> 01:21:06,300
and and playing his I'm now playing Kapustin music with different drummers as well to get

1183
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:07,300
different ideas.

1184
01:21:07,300 --> 01:21:13,660
You know, I've gone to a sound specialist to learn really about the rhythm of Brazil

1185
01:21:13,660 --> 01:21:16,540
and how to how to study that more.

1186
01:21:16,540 --> 01:21:21,180
And I think that's really important as an artist to just keep learning.

1187
01:21:21,180 --> 01:21:25,380
You know, it doesn't doesn't stop just when you when you're doing concerts, when you've

1188
01:21:25,380 --> 01:21:28,780
reached a point where actually doing concerts and doing now, but it doesn't mean that you

1189
01:21:28,780 --> 01:21:36,380
can't still learn and network with other musicians who you could still learn from.

1190
01:21:36,380 --> 01:21:37,780
It's just so much more.

1191
01:21:37,780 --> 01:21:43,540
And I can't wait to see by the end of the masters what more I've learned about different

1192
01:21:43,540 --> 01:21:47,180
approaches and different interpretations and all the different musicians that will have

1193
01:21:47,180 --> 01:21:48,180
different ideas.

1194
01:21:48,180 --> 01:21:51,140
So it's super exciting.

1195
01:21:51,140 --> 01:21:54,820
And so what made you decide to go back to school?

1196
01:21:54,820 --> 01:21:55,820
Yes.

1197
01:21:55,820 --> 01:21:57,820
Well, OK.

1198
01:21:57,820 --> 01:22:07,540
So so speaking very, very honestly and quite vulnerable, vulnerable.

1199
01:22:07,540 --> 01:22:14,580
I found myself over the last year going through a difficult separation from marriage.

1200
01:22:14,580 --> 01:22:15,580
And I'm sorry.

1201
01:22:15,580 --> 01:22:16,580
Yes.

1202
01:22:16,580 --> 01:22:17,580
Oh, no, it's fine.

1203
01:22:17,580 --> 01:22:18,580
It's fine.

1204
01:22:18,580 --> 01:22:21,220
And I'm in a place where I'm happy to share it.

1205
01:22:21,220 --> 01:22:27,580
And I hope that it can help people who are listening as well, you know, just kind of

1206
01:22:27,580 --> 01:22:29,340
a deepened connection, really.

1207
01:22:29,340 --> 01:22:36,420
And so so I kind of committed myself to just working as a professional musician and was

1208
01:22:36,420 --> 01:22:41,420
performing teaching, doing lots of accompanying, obviously started playing a bit of the caputin

1209
01:22:41,420 --> 01:22:42,540
as well.

1210
01:22:42,540 --> 01:22:47,780
And then, yeah, I found myself in this obviously quite difficult situation where now, you know,

1211
01:22:47,780 --> 01:22:54,020
nearly divorced and having to really rebuild my life a lot.

1212
01:22:54,020 --> 01:22:59,860
And it was during that process where I thought, I think I want a few years to just focus on

1213
01:22:59,860 --> 01:23:05,540
me and to and to really do what I love.

1214
01:23:05,540 --> 01:23:12,020
And at the same time, so in the midst of the very difficult separation, I had received

1215
01:23:12,020 --> 01:23:19,140
the record offer, the contract, and then it prompted me, OK, well, if I've got this opportunity,

1216
01:23:19,140 --> 01:23:25,940
I'd really like to be in a place where that's going to be mentored and supported.

1217
01:23:25,940 --> 01:23:30,020
And I hadn't had those years just for the piano in an institution.

1218
01:23:30,020 --> 01:23:37,020
It had been the guitar, you know, and I thought, I think I owe it to myself to really do what

1219
01:23:37,020 --> 01:23:41,820
I would what I want to do at this stage, you know, because my whole life had just completely

1220
01:23:41,820 --> 01:23:46,180
changed from what I was expecting to happen.

1221
01:23:46,180 --> 01:23:51,900
So that's really, you know, an honest answer.

1222
01:23:51,900 --> 01:23:55,020
You know, that's that's kind of how it's how it's come around.

1223
01:23:55,020 --> 01:23:57,620
And I never thought I would do a master's.

1224
01:23:57,620 --> 01:24:00,900
I kind of did the undergrad and thought, I'm just going to work.

1225
01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:04,660
You know, I feel like I'm going to learn a lot from working.

1226
01:24:04,660 --> 01:24:12,380
And I was very lucky that I've been really busy and really successful as a professional.

1227
01:24:12,380 --> 01:24:16,420
But I thought, you know, when when something like that happens in your life and it all

1228
01:24:16,420 --> 01:24:23,900
just completely changes, you start thinking, what is it that I really, really want to do

1229
01:24:23,900 --> 01:24:31,420
or what could I do now that I know is what I need to do for myself?

1230
01:24:31,420 --> 01:24:35,740
I almost have I've almost just said I need to put myself first.

1231
01:24:35,740 --> 01:24:43,860
I need to spend time reconnecting with my music, you know, reconnecting with myself,

1232
01:24:43,860 --> 01:24:49,900
you know, finding out who I am because I was in it was a very, very long relationship.

1233
01:24:49,900 --> 01:24:58,940
So it's interesting how music, especially Kapustin, has really been there during this

1234
01:24:58,940 --> 01:25:01,100
time as well.

1235
01:25:01,100 --> 01:25:08,300
And the album is the album is a result of this period of my life.

1236
01:25:08,300 --> 01:25:13,060
You know, when when when things happen and your life changes, sometimes there's only

1237
01:25:13,060 --> 01:25:14,780
one thing that stays.

1238
01:25:14,780 --> 01:25:18,940
And whatever that one thing is, that's the thing that you need to lean on.

1239
01:25:18,940 --> 01:25:20,500
And it was my music.

1240
01:25:20,500 --> 01:25:23,460
You know, it was the only thing that was giving me comfort.

1241
01:25:23,460 --> 01:25:26,740
It was it was helping me process.

1242
01:25:26,740 --> 01:25:35,820
And it's interesting that Kapustin was that music, you know, was it's almost like the

1243
01:25:35,820 --> 01:25:42,740
the structure of his music helped made sense during a time that was complicated.

1244
01:25:42,740 --> 01:25:48,980
You know, and the extreme focus that required that you need to have when you play his music

1245
01:25:48,980 --> 01:25:53,580
really helped kind of channel things for me.

1246
01:25:53,580 --> 01:26:01,860
But I think what's interesting is that I play his music very emotionally.

1247
01:26:01,860 --> 01:26:06,780
And it's not something that maybe you would immediately associate with Kapustin if you'd

1248
01:26:06,780 --> 01:26:08,380
only ever heard it for the first time.

1249
01:26:08,380 --> 01:26:12,380
It's not like Rachmaninoff, you know, it's not top on the sleeve music.

1250
01:26:12,380 --> 01:26:13,900
Well, you wouldn't think it is.

1251
01:26:13,900 --> 01:26:15,740
But for me, it really is.

1252
01:26:15,740 --> 01:26:20,620
For me, it's I'm very emotionally connected to it.

1253
01:26:20,620 --> 01:26:26,380
And it it's carried me through some really difficult times.

1254
01:26:26,380 --> 01:26:29,380
So sorry, it's quite heavy.

1255
01:26:29,380 --> 01:26:30,380
No, no, no.

1256
01:26:30,380 --> 01:26:32,100
This is a very important thing.

1257
01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:33,100
Yeah.

1258
01:26:33,100 --> 01:26:41,500
And I think it's I think it's I think it's just important to be honest and and to, you

1259
01:26:41,500 --> 01:26:50,140
know, accept that music is this foundation for a lot of people, you know.

1260
01:26:50,140 --> 01:26:52,340
And I know it's not just me.

1261
01:26:52,340 --> 01:26:57,340
Like I know that since kind of sharing this story with people, there's been so many people

1262
01:26:57,340 --> 01:27:02,260
that have reached out to me and said, I feel like I've gone through exactly the same thing.

1263
01:27:02,260 --> 01:27:09,180
You know, like music has been so important to me during difficult times and and it can

1264
01:27:09,180 --> 01:27:11,980
be really life changing.

1265
01:27:11,980 --> 01:27:16,260
So yeah, so the Masters was kind of a result, I feel.

1266
01:27:16,260 --> 01:27:21,980
You know, the the album, it's all it all kind of came so organically during such difficult

1267
01:27:21,980 --> 01:27:23,700
time.

1268
01:27:23,700 --> 01:27:28,300
So yeah, I think I think I just have to.

1269
01:27:28,300 --> 01:27:32,940
That's why I thought I'm just going to follow this and just see see what happens, like not

1270
01:27:32,940 --> 01:27:39,380
be tethered to an outcome, you know, not kind of have any huge expectation of of, oh, I

1271
01:27:39,380 --> 01:27:40,380
hope it does well.

1272
01:27:40,380 --> 01:27:48,020
It's almost like, well, I'm playing it because I needed to play it, you know, because it's

1273
01:27:48,020 --> 01:27:49,020
kept me going.

1274
01:27:49,020 --> 01:27:50,860
And that and that's it.

1275
01:27:50,860 --> 01:27:55,700
And I've been able to connect with myself through the music.

1276
01:27:55,700 --> 01:28:01,300
So to anyone that's listening, I think I think I just, you know, would would love to kind

1277
01:28:01,300 --> 01:28:11,820
of offer that sense of trusting that things like music or art or anything where you feel

1278
01:28:11,820 --> 01:28:18,540
like you can really express something in words that can't be said.

1279
01:28:18,540 --> 01:28:24,420
Do it, you know, just trust that that will help you, because that's how it's been for

1280
01:28:24,420 --> 01:28:25,420
me.

1281
01:28:25,420 --> 01:28:28,020
So I hope that makes sense.

1282
01:28:28,020 --> 01:28:29,180
Oh, totally.

1283
01:28:29,180 --> 01:28:34,300
Thank you so much for sharing this vulnerability, showing your vulnerability.

1284
01:28:34,300 --> 01:28:35,980
But that is the strength.

1285
01:28:35,980 --> 01:28:38,620
And yeah, beautiful.

1286
01:28:38,620 --> 01:28:39,860
Thank you.

1287
01:28:39,860 --> 01:28:48,060
So like, no wonder the music of Cuphead's team really spoke to you in some on some levels,

1288
01:28:48,060 --> 01:28:49,060
right?

1289
01:28:49,060 --> 01:28:50,060
It's not just one thing.

1290
01:28:50,060 --> 01:28:51,060
So yeah, yeah, yeah.

1291
01:28:51,060 --> 01:29:01,020
I think I think when you become deeply connected with a particular music, you kind of have

1292
01:29:01,020 --> 01:29:04,660
to it's helpful to understand why.

1293
01:29:04,660 --> 01:29:09,100
And it's helpful to understand the journey of yourself and why you why you love this

1294
01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:10,580
music.

1295
01:29:10,580 --> 01:29:17,700
And as I've said, like it helps you show that to people that are listening and that they

1296
01:29:17,700 --> 01:29:22,100
can hopefully connect to themselves when listening.

1297
01:29:22,100 --> 01:29:26,620
And that's really what it is, you know, I think, I think when you hear a performer and

1298
01:29:26,620 --> 01:29:30,100
you're moved by them, it's because they're doing that.

1299
01:29:30,100 --> 01:29:34,220
It's because they're connect they're so connected with what they're playing and it's helping

1300
01:29:34,220 --> 01:29:39,660
you connect with your own experience when you're listening to them.

1301
01:29:39,660 --> 01:29:46,820
So I think that though that's that kind of special quality when you watch performance

1302
01:29:46,820 --> 01:29:49,860
that you hope to experience.

1303
01:29:49,860 --> 01:29:53,900
And I'm hoping to keep doing that keep learning about that.

1304
01:29:53,900 --> 01:29:59,140
You know, so inspired when I see musicians that do the same, that do that sort of have

1305
01:29:59,140 --> 01:30:02,140
that quality in their playing.

1306
01:30:02,140 --> 01:30:05,780
And it's just trusting that that works.

1307
01:30:05,780 --> 01:30:07,460
I've said the word trust so much.

1308
01:30:07,460 --> 01:30:09,460
I know, but you're doing it.

1309
01:30:09,460 --> 01:30:10,980
That's that's amazing.

1310
01:30:10,980 --> 01:30:15,780
So the I want to know the title of the upcoming album.

1311
01:30:15,780 --> 01:30:16,780
Yes, yes.

1312
01:30:16,780 --> 01:30:19,500
So it's called Between the Lines.

1313
01:30:19,500 --> 01:30:20,500
Between the Lines.

1314
01:30:20,500 --> 01:30:21,500
Yes.

1315
01:30:21,500 --> 01:30:22,500
Tell me.

1316
01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:23,500
Between the Lines.

1317
01:30:23,500 --> 01:30:26,500
Okay, where does this title come from?

1318
01:30:26,500 --> 01:30:34,220
It's, there were a few other titles and I kind of sat on a few things for a while and

1319
01:30:34,220 --> 01:30:43,340
I thought I've got to be able to to say in the cover that although this music is this

1320
01:30:43,340 --> 01:30:46,260
cross, it is this fusion.

1321
01:30:46,260 --> 01:30:48,620
So there's the betweenness there.

1322
01:30:48,620 --> 01:30:55,180
But also let's read between the lines of what this music is about.

1323
01:30:55,180 --> 01:31:02,820
And also read between the lines of why I'm playing this music, you know, and it's really

1324
01:31:02,820 --> 01:31:06,380
not just an album about here's the notes.

1325
01:31:06,380 --> 01:31:10,020
It's actually about what's in between the notes.

1326
01:31:10,020 --> 01:31:13,620
That's the story of my life that's been happening.

1327
01:31:13,620 --> 01:31:17,860
And I want to show you in I want to show you in that.

1328
01:31:17,860 --> 01:31:22,180
So I think it was it was almost like that phrase of read between the lines.

1329
01:31:22,180 --> 01:31:27,620
You know, can you can you pick up what else is going on here?

1330
01:31:27,620 --> 01:31:32,580
And can you emotionally see other layers?

1331
01:31:32,580 --> 01:31:34,780
I hope that would be the outcome anyway.

1332
01:31:34,780 --> 01:31:40,620
You know, I think I'm just I'm you know, that's that's kind of my vision or how I would like

1333
01:31:40,620 --> 01:31:41,620
it.

1334
01:31:41,620 --> 01:31:43,100
How about how I would like it to receive.

1335
01:31:43,100 --> 01:31:46,740
But, you know, again, I'm not kind of tethered to any huge expectation.

1336
01:31:46,740 --> 01:31:48,940
I'm just enjoying the process.

1337
01:31:48,940 --> 01:31:52,660
But I think the album title works well.

1338
01:31:52,660 --> 01:31:55,460
I think it feels comfortable for me.

1339
01:31:55,460 --> 01:31:58,460
And it's quite a personal choice.

1340
01:31:58,460 --> 01:32:02,940
You know, I think there was the choice of volume, you know, volume one, because then

1341
01:32:02,940 --> 01:32:06,140
it could be like I could do another one, you know, volume two.

1342
01:32:06,140 --> 01:32:10,140
You know, and I thought I could say something like that or jazz meets classical.

1343
01:32:10,140 --> 01:32:12,100
I thought, OK, that's a nice one.

1344
01:32:12,100 --> 01:32:15,980
But also almost quite too explicit.

1345
01:32:15,980 --> 01:32:20,860
And I think I think I like how between the lines opens up.

1346
01:32:20,860 --> 01:32:24,740
OK, what does she really mean?

1347
01:32:24,740 --> 01:32:27,540
I'm not going to share the actual cover yet.

1348
01:32:27,540 --> 01:32:33,340
The cover also has that unusual quality to it.

1349
01:32:33,340 --> 01:32:38,860
And it's it kind of leaves you wondering.

1350
01:32:38,860 --> 01:32:43,940
Who is this person and what what is her story here?

1351
01:32:43,940 --> 01:32:48,060
And it's not your traditional classical album cover.

1352
01:32:48,060 --> 01:32:49,700
So I'm hoping to share it.

1353
01:32:49,700 --> 01:32:54,180
I don't want to share it just yet, though, because I'm waiting for it to be signed off

1354
01:32:54,180 --> 01:32:58,540
and, you know, kind of with the release when the release is out, then everyone will see

1355
01:32:58,540 --> 01:32:59,540
it.

1356
01:32:59,540 --> 01:33:02,620
But that's been a really exciting part, actually, of thinking, oh, my God, you know, I'm going

1357
01:33:02,620 --> 01:33:04,700
to have my face on a cover.

1358
01:33:04,700 --> 01:33:07,060
How do I what story do I want to tell it?

1359
01:33:07,060 --> 01:33:08,820
What do I want to say?

1360
01:33:08,820 --> 01:33:14,860
Because your your first album is kind of like your entry card into the industry.

1361
01:33:14,860 --> 01:33:19,460
And it's it's really like your business card of like, here I am.

1362
01:33:19,460 --> 01:33:23,820
It's it's it's introducing you, introducing you.

1363
01:33:23,820 --> 01:33:30,820
So you do want to you do want to think about it and think about how what do you want people

1364
01:33:30,820 --> 01:33:34,540
to think or how do you want to challenge people?

1365
01:33:34,540 --> 01:33:40,260
And I definitely wanted to come away from just something more generic.

1366
01:33:40,260 --> 01:33:44,860
I think I wanted to I wanted to do something that felt right for me.

1367
01:33:44,860 --> 01:33:48,740
And the responses I've had so far, just showing kind of friends and colleagues, they have

1368
01:33:48,740 --> 01:33:52,180
been like, OK, that's different.

1369
01:33:52,180 --> 01:33:56,940
And I'm like, well, yeah, they're like, but it's it's good.

1370
01:33:56,940 --> 01:33:57,940
It's you.

1371
01:33:57,940 --> 01:33:58,940
It feels very you.

1372
01:33:58,940 --> 01:34:00,580
And I'm like, well, that's it.

1373
01:34:00,580 --> 01:34:02,780
You know, it's it's about me as an artist.

1374
01:34:02,780 --> 01:34:03,780
So yeah, it's so exciting.

1375
01:34:03,780 --> 01:34:04,780
I can't wait to show.

1376
01:34:04,780 --> 01:34:05,780
I can't wait.

1377
01:34:05,780 --> 01:34:07,740
I can't wait to see it.

1378
01:34:07,740 --> 01:34:17,380
So what kind of legacy, Kapustin's legacy do you want to carry in your performance and

1379
01:34:17,380 --> 01:34:19,380
also in the album?

1380
01:34:19,380 --> 01:34:20,380
Yes.

1381
01:34:20,380 --> 01:34:23,020
Oh, that's a really good question.

1382
01:34:23,020 --> 01:34:32,180
I think the if we go back right back to when Kapustin first discovered jazz, he was in

1383
01:34:32,180 --> 01:34:35,540
his late teens.

1384
01:34:35,540 --> 01:34:41,740
Jazz was pretty prohibited in I think at that point, I think he was in Russia when he first

1385
01:34:41,740 --> 01:34:44,180
listened to it because he was studying.

1386
01:34:44,180 --> 01:34:45,180
He was studying.

1387
01:34:45,180 --> 01:34:50,100
So he had already moved from the Ukraine and he was at the Moscow Conservatoire.

1388
01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:55,300
I think it was when he was studying at the Moscow Conservatoire that him and his friends

1389
01:34:55,300 --> 01:35:00,620
were kind of illegally listening to an American radio station.

1390
01:35:00,620 --> 01:35:05,020
And they first heard jazz through the station.

1391
01:35:05,020 --> 01:35:11,340
And it was almost that like rebellious nature of Kapustin that I love.

1392
01:35:11,340 --> 01:35:14,900
And through discovering him more, learning more about him, I realized that actually when

1393
01:35:14,900 --> 01:35:17,140
he was young, he was quite rebellious.

1394
01:35:17,140 --> 01:35:24,500
And he was like a cheeky boy, you know, and he and he'd often want to go against kind

1395
01:35:24,500 --> 01:35:27,260
of what was told of him.

1396
01:35:27,260 --> 01:35:31,580
Although he was a very good student, he was a virtuous pianist, there was that spirit

1397
01:35:31,580 --> 01:35:33,380
inside him.

1398
01:35:33,380 --> 01:35:41,460
And I think I would like for that sort of freedom and that slight rebellious nature

1399
01:35:41,460 --> 01:35:44,180
to still be carried through.

1400
01:35:44,180 --> 01:35:50,220
And that's what I would love to share in the album and kind of carry that spirit across.

1401
01:35:50,220 --> 01:35:56,500
So yes, he is this amazing virtuoso pianist, but there is this essence to him.

1402
01:35:56,500 --> 01:36:05,860
And that's why his music is so fantastic because he didn't do what everyone else was doing.

1403
01:36:05,860 --> 01:36:08,220
He was so authentic.

1404
01:36:08,220 --> 01:36:14,180
He was just doing exactly the music he wanted to write, and people loved it.

1405
01:36:14,180 --> 01:36:22,580
And I think it's keeping that spirit alive and not putting him in any category, I think

1406
01:36:22,580 --> 01:36:24,940
is really important.

1407
01:36:24,940 --> 01:36:32,780
I don't know how he would feel himself, you know, but it's what I would like to leave

1408
01:36:32,780 --> 01:36:35,180
of his legacy for sure.

1409
01:36:35,180 --> 01:36:36,180
Yeah.

1410
01:36:36,180 --> 01:36:37,940
Wow, thank you.

1411
01:36:37,940 --> 01:36:42,300
Before we wrap up, sadly, it's toward the end of our conversation, but let's take a

1412
01:36:42,300 --> 01:36:46,940
moment to promote your work officially and then you know, you can maybe mention about

1413
01:36:46,940 --> 01:36:50,020
your upcoming concerts and obviously about the album too.

1414
01:36:50,020 --> 01:36:54,780
So I'm sure our listeners will be really excited to learn more about you.

1415
01:36:54,780 --> 01:36:56,740
So where can they find you?

1416
01:36:56,740 --> 01:36:57,740
Maybe website.

1417
01:36:57,740 --> 01:36:59,820
So yes, the floor is yours.

1418
01:36:59,820 --> 01:37:00,820
So take it away, please.

1419
01:37:00,820 --> 01:37:01,820
Yeah, sure, sure.

1420
01:37:01,820 --> 01:37:06,460
So at the moment, I'm mostly performing in the UK.

1421
01:37:06,460 --> 01:37:11,140
Hopefully when the album is launched, there will be more international performances and

1422
01:37:11,140 --> 01:37:13,540
more international platforms.

1423
01:37:13,540 --> 01:37:16,940
But at the moment, you can connect with me really on social media.

1424
01:37:16,940 --> 01:37:21,140
I'm mostly Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, those kind of platforms.

1425
01:37:21,140 --> 01:37:22,140
TikTok too, okay.

1426
01:37:22,140 --> 01:37:23,140
Yes, TikTok.

1427
01:37:23,140 --> 01:37:26,100
Yeah, Kapustin is doing really well on TikTok.

1428
01:37:26,100 --> 01:37:27,100
It's amazing.

1429
01:37:27,100 --> 01:37:28,100
Yeah.

1430
01:37:28,100 --> 01:37:32,580
Yeah, the following I'm getting there is better than Instagram at the moment.

1431
01:37:32,580 --> 01:37:33,580
It's really impressive.

1432
01:37:33,580 --> 01:37:39,380
So definitely if your listeners are more interested in hearing Kapustin check, see what's on TikTok.

1433
01:37:39,380 --> 01:37:42,100
For sure, there's some great things there.

1434
01:37:42,100 --> 01:37:44,220
What is your handle?

1435
01:37:44,220 --> 01:37:47,980
It's just Ophelia Gordon, I think on TikTok.

1436
01:37:47,980 --> 01:37:49,980
Instagram Ophelia?

1437
01:37:49,980 --> 01:37:51,580
Yes, yeah.

1438
01:37:51,580 --> 01:37:57,100
And then I have my website, which is just OpheliaGordon.com.

1439
01:37:57,100 --> 01:38:00,940
And my email again, you can all find on my website and just reach out.

1440
01:38:00,940 --> 01:38:07,460
And if you want to know more about Kapustin or you want to know more about me as an artist

1441
01:38:07,460 --> 01:38:14,300
or yeah, you know, interested in collaborating or if you have questions or anything, you

1442
01:38:14,300 --> 01:38:20,180
know, I'm always open to meeting new musicians, new people and just seeing kind of seeing

1443
01:38:20,180 --> 01:38:21,180
what can happen.

1444
01:38:21,180 --> 01:38:24,900
And yeah, so that's it really.

1445
01:38:24,900 --> 01:38:25,900
Yeah.

1446
01:38:25,900 --> 01:38:31,540
So the album itself as well will be released on Spotify, Amazon, iTunes, all the kind of

1447
01:38:31,540 --> 01:38:35,460
major streaming platforms.

1448
01:38:35,460 --> 01:38:40,380
And then also will be you'll be able to buy it direct from the record labels website,

1449
01:38:40,380 --> 01:38:46,860
which is so the label I'm recording with is called Divine Arts Recording.

1450
01:38:46,860 --> 01:38:54,140
And it's a subsidiary of Naxos, which is a they're kind of the distributor.

1451
01:38:54,140 --> 01:38:58,820
So if you kind of follow that that lead, you'll be able to find Divine Arts.

1452
01:38:58,820 --> 01:39:02,020
But they do specialize in lots of contemporary repertoire.

1453
01:39:02,020 --> 01:39:07,940
So it's really it's really exciting to be kind of one of they have a few jazz albums,

1454
01:39:07,940 --> 01:39:10,900
but they've obviously never recorded Kapustin before.

1455
01:39:10,900 --> 01:39:16,180
So really looking forward to being the first Kapustin album within their catalog.

1456
01:39:16,180 --> 01:39:17,180
So that's really exciting.

1457
01:39:17,180 --> 01:39:22,060
But yeah, I hope that gives people ways to find me.

1458
01:39:22,060 --> 01:39:23,140
Yeah, I'm sure.

1459
01:39:23,140 --> 01:39:27,180
And then I will list all the links in the show notes as well.

1460
01:39:27,180 --> 01:39:33,240
So yeah, now I didn't tell you, but before we go, we usually have this rapid fire questions

1461
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:39,500
where I ask each guest silly questions and you have to answer them each question in a

1462
01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:41,980
short responses as possible.

1463
01:39:41,980 --> 01:39:45,260
And no question and no explanation is needed.

1464
01:39:45,260 --> 01:39:49,860
But before we go, do you have any last thing you want to say?

1465
01:39:49,860 --> 01:39:54,420
Well, thank you to you, Ukiime for having me.

1466
01:39:54,420 --> 01:40:00,260
It's been so lovely talking and I hope that I hope that everyone has understood what I've

1467
01:40:00,260 --> 01:40:05,380
said, because when you just talk, sometimes you think, I hope people are understanding

1468
01:40:05,380 --> 01:40:06,380
what I'm saying.

1469
01:40:06,380 --> 01:40:09,140
Loud and clear, we understood you.

1470
01:40:09,140 --> 01:40:11,460
And then yeah, good.

1471
01:40:11,460 --> 01:40:16,420
And yeah, and I'm just so excited for what's to come.

1472
01:40:16,420 --> 01:40:21,700
And yeah, hope I've connected with people that have been listening and, you know, and

1473
01:40:21,700 --> 01:40:23,900
yeah, thank you again so much for having me.

1474
01:40:23,900 --> 01:40:25,900
It's been so nice talking to you.

1475
01:40:25,900 --> 01:40:30,300
And you know, you've been so warm and sorry, I've spoken so much.

1476
01:40:30,300 --> 01:40:32,260
No, this is great.

1477
01:40:32,260 --> 01:40:33,660
That's why I created this platform.

1478
01:40:33,660 --> 01:40:35,060
I want you to speak.

1479
01:40:35,060 --> 01:40:40,140
And thank you so much for sharing all all your stories, but also your expertise.

1480
01:40:40,140 --> 01:40:41,140
I learned a lot.

1481
01:40:41,140 --> 01:40:42,140
It was a masterclass.

1482
01:40:42,140 --> 01:40:44,140
So brought me to you.

1483
01:40:44,140 --> 01:40:47,860
So let's get into this rapid fire, right?

1484
01:40:47,860 --> 01:40:48,860
Yeah.

1485
01:40:48,860 --> 01:40:49,860
All right.

1486
01:40:49,860 --> 01:40:50,860
So we'll start with that.

1487
01:40:50,860 --> 01:40:54,780
Yeah, we'll start with easy ones and then get to some more advanced ones.

1488
01:40:54,780 --> 01:40:58,580
So question number one, what is your comfort food?

1489
01:40:58,580 --> 01:41:00,140
Spaghetti bolognese.

1490
01:41:00,140 --> 01:41:01,740
Yes, good.

1491
01:41:01,740 --> 01:41:02,860
Yes.

1492
01:41:02,860 --> 01:41:05,180
How do you like your coffee in the morning?

1493
01:41:05,180 --> 01:41:06,180
Milky.

1494
01:41:06,180 --> 01:41:09,180
Yeah, it's great.

1495
01:41:09,180 --> 01:41:10,180
Cats or dogs?

1496
01:41:10,180 --> 01:41:11,180
Cats.

1497
01:41:11,180 --> 01:41:12,180
Do you have a cat?

1498
01:41:12,180 --> 01:41:14,180
No, actually, I don't at the moment.

1499
01:41:14,180 --> 01:41:19,580
I have a dog, but I can't wait to get a cat.

1500
01:41:19,580 --> 01:41:22,580
Oh, you poor dog.

1501
01:41:22,580 --> 01:41:24,740
All right.

1502
01:41:24,740 --> 01:41:25,740
Sunrise or sunset?

1503
01:41:25,740 --> 01:41:28,740
Oh, that's hot.

1504
01:41:28,740 --> 01:41:29,740
Sunrise.

1505
01:41:29,740 --> 01:41:32,740
Summer or winter?

1506
01:41:32,740 --> 01:41:33,740
Summer.

1507
01:41:33,740 --> 01:41:34,740
Yeah.

1508
01:41:34,740 --> 01:41:39,420
What skill have you always wanted to learn but haven't had a chance to?

1509
01:41:39,420 --> 01:41:44,540
Should I say the drums?

1510
01:41:44,540 --> 01:41:46,660
To me, it's the jazz piano.

1511
01:41:46,660 --> 01:41:49,580
So yes, I agree.

1512
01:41:49,580 --> 01:41:53,340
What is your word or words to live by?

1513
01:41:53,340 --> 01:41:54,340
Just be yourself.

1514
01:41:54,340 --> 01:41:56,820
I think that's the bad thing.

1515
01:41:56,820 --> 01:42:02,660
Yeah, if I'm being very clear, yeah, just be yourself.

1516
01:42:02,660 --> 01:42:07,340
What is the most important quality you look for in other people?

1517
01:42:07,340 --> 01:42:09,740
Honesty, always.

1518
01:42:09,740 --> 01:42:14,380
Yeah, honesty, authenticity, honesty, for sure.

1519
01:42:14,380 --> 01:42:18,980
Name three people who inspire you, living or dead.

1520
01:42:18,980 --> 01:42:25,980
Okay, so I love a British pianist called Joanna McGregor.

1521
01:42:25,980 --> 01:42:30,700
She's quite known for her Piazzolla and Bach interpretations.

1522
01:42:30,700 --> 01:42:32,900
She's really inspiring for me.

1523
01:42:32,900 --> 01:42:34,780
Oh, gosh, who else?

1524
01:42:34,780 --> 01:42:37,700
You know, David Bowie.

1525
01:42:37,700 --> 01:42:42,900
David Bowie as well, for his artistry.

1526
01:42:42,900 --> 01:42:49,740
He's the most authentic kind of case you could think of, so hugely inspired by him.

1527
01:42:49,740 --> 01:42:52,380
And Rachmaninoff, I would say.

1528
01:42:52,380 --> 01:42:56,060
Yeah, for that vulnerability, for sure.

1529
01:42:56,060 --> 01:43:04,060
And kind of the way he rose and wrote the second concerto after his depression.

1530
01:43:04,060 --> 01:43:06,580
What an inspiration.

1531
01:43:06,580 --> 01:43:08,940
His story of his life is just incredible.

1532
01:43:08,940 --> 01:43:13,700
So I think those three people, yeah, which actually is not what I was expecting to say,

1533
01:43:13,700 --> 01:43:14,700
but there you go.

1534
01:43:14,700 --> 01:43:15,700
Yeah, there you go.

1535
01:43:15,700 --> 01:43:17,820
But you know, it's done with what felt right.

1536
01:43:17,820 --> 01:43:21,660
Somebody just named David Bowie as one of the three people.

1537
01:43:21,660 --> 01:43:26,460
So yeah, he's the reason again.

1538
01:43:26,460 --> 01:43:27,940
All right.

1539
01:43:27,940 --> 01:43:35,940
Name one piece in your current playlist.

1540
01:43:35,940 --> 01:43:36,940
Oh my goodness.

1541
01:43:36,940 --> 01:43:37,940
Oh, that's so hard.

1542
01:43:37,940 --> 01:43:42,940
That's probably the hardest question, actually.

1543
01:43:42,940 --> 01:43:47,180
You know, I've been re-listening again to Rachmaninoff's cello sonata.

1544
01:43:47,180 --> 01:43:48,180
Oh, good one.

1545
01:43:48,180 --> 01:43:55,060
Yeah, I love, I love, I did start working on it and I hope to play that.

1546
01:43:55,060 --> 01:43:56,060
Yeah.

1547
01:43:56,060 --> 01:43:57,060
The last movement.

1548
01:43:57,060 --> 01:44:01,020
The piano part is then of course the cello, but gorgeous.

1549
01:44:01,020 --> 01:44:02,020
Yeah.

1550
01:44:02,020 --> 01:44:03,020
Yeah, so beautiful.

1551
01:44:03,020 --> 01:44:04,900
Yeah, so that's on my list.

1552
01:44:04,900 --> 01:44:08,220
I've got a big list, but that's one that stood out to me today.

1553
01:44:08,220 --> 01:44:09,220
Yeah, great.

1554
01:44:09,220 --> 01:44:10,220
Yeah.

1555
01:44:10,220 --> 01:44:12,900
So the last question, fill in the blank.

1556
01:44:12,900 --> 01:44:15,460
Music is blank.

1557
01:44:15,460 --> 01:44:16,460
Music is life.

1558
01:44:16,460 --> 01:44:17,460
Good one.

1559
01:44:17,460 --> 01:44:18,460
Classic.

1560
01:44:18,460 --> 01:44:19,460
Beautiful.

1561
01:44:19,460 --> 01:44:20,460
Yes, it is.

1562
01:44:20,460 --> 01:44:21,460
But it absolutely is.

1563
01:44:21,460 --> 01:44:22,460
Really is.

1564
01:44:22,460 --> 01:44:23,460
You can't have life about music.

1565
01:44:23,460 --> 01:44:24,460
That's right.

1566
01:44:24,460 --> 01:44:27,460
Music is my life.

1567
01:44:27,460 --> 01:44:28,460
Wonderful.

1568
01:44:28,460 --> 01:44:31,460
You know, it's not just what you do, it's actually who you are.

1569
01:44:31,460 --> 01:44:36,460
You know, lots of people's cases, and in my case, so there you go.

1570
01:44:36,460 --> 01:44:37,460
There you go.

1571
01:44:37,460 --> 01:44:38,460
Thank you.

1572
01:44:38,460 --> 01:44:41,460
So that concludes this episode of the piano part.

1573
01:44:41,460 --> 01:44:46,460
Thank you, Ophelia, for joining us today and sharing your incredible stories and insights

1574
01:44:46,460 --> 01:44:47,460
and expertise.

1575
01:44:47,460 --> 01:44:52,460
To our wonderful audience, you can learn more about Ophelia and her work by visiting her

1576
01:44:52,460 --> 01:44:59,460
website at OpheliaGordon.com and follow her on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok at OpheliaGordon.

1577
01:44:59,460 --> 01:45:03,460
And of course, thank you to our faithful fans and listeners for tuning in.

1578
01:45:03,460 --> 01:45:08,460
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1579
01:45:08,460 --> 01:45:09,460
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1580
01:45:09,460 --> 01:45:14,460
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1581
01:45:14,460 --> 01:45:15,460
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1582
01:45:15,460 --> 01:45:17,460
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1583
01:45:17,460 --> 01:45:20,460
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1584
01:45:20,460 --> 01:45:26,460
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1585
01:45:26,460 --> 01:45:28,460
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1586
01:45:28,460 --> 01:45:31,460
I will see you for the next episode of the piano part.

1587
01:45:31,460 --> 01:45:32,460
Thank you, Ophelia.

1588
01:45:32,460 --> 01:45:33,460
Kiwi kiwi.

1589
01:45:33,460 --> 01:45:34,460
Thank you.

1590
01:45:34,460 --> 01:45:35,460
Bye, everyone.

1591
01:45:35,460 --> 01:45:36,460
Thank you.

1592
01:45:36,460 --> 01:45:54,460
Thank you.