1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,760 So, A Seat at the Piano is essentially a platform to raise the voices of a lot of composers 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:13,160 who have been less heard or historically excluded or underrepresented. 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:19,300 So, it is a database, it is a resource, it's a blog, it's kind of a lot of different things 4 00:00:19,300 --> 00:00:25,320 that we've combined into one kind of a one-stop shop for a lot of pianists, teachers, students 5 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:30,360 to go to if they're seeking different kinds of repertoire that are outside of the normal 6 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:31,360 kind of canon. 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:37,840 The mission of ASAP is to promote and include the music of composers that hasn't necessarily 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,880 been in the forefront, you know. 9 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:47,000 So, basically we're trying to catch up with the inclusion of works of piano music from 10 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,960 composers from historically excluded groups. 11 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:57,200 Hello piano enthusiasts, you're tuned into the PianoPod with me, Yukimi San. 12 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:02,360 We're diving into part two of this season's second episode with the brilliant minds behind 13 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:11,040 A Seat at the Piano, aka ASAP, Annie Zhang, Brendan Jaclyn, Evan Hines, and Susan Yang. 14 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:16,640 If you missed our intriguing conversation in part one where we explored ASAP's mission 15 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:22,600 and how they support fellow classical pianists and educators, make sure to catch up on your 16 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,040 go-to podcast platform. 17 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,080 A warm welcome to our new listeners and viewers. 18 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:33,360 This podcast is your all-access pass to the captivating world of piano. 19 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:39,920 In each episode of the PianoPod, I interview a guest speaker, or for this case, guest speakers 20 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,800 who have been breaking exciting new ground in the music industry. 21 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,680 Please rate the show and review it on your favorite podcasting platform because every 22 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,520 rating review will help people find my show. 23 00:01:53,520 --> 00:02:01,440 So dear friends, here is part two of the PianoPod's season four, episode two, with the team of 24 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,900 A Seat at the Piano. 25 00:02:03,900 --> 00:02:07,700 Please enjoy the show. 26 00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:15,600 You know, since the summer of 2020, you've been working on this, so it's been over three 27 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:16,600 years, right? 28 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,120 For me, it's the same thing. 29 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,400 This is the fourth season, so I am very grateful for this opportunity. 30 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,320 So what's been like? 31 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:32,000 What's the impact of ASAP in our industry, in our community that you started to feel 32 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,760 after three, four years? 33 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:34,760 Brendan? 34 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,560 This will be a little egotistical. 35 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:38,560 It's okay. 36 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,120 One of my favorite things to do every once in a while is I just Google a seat at the 37 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,480 piano just to sort of see what else is out there. 38 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:53,040 And it's really neat how many different universities and organizations and competitions have just 39 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,640 started listing us as a resource, and we had no idea. 40 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:01,640 And like every couple of months, I'll just do a check just out of curiosity, and there's 41 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:04,000 always a few more that have added us. 42 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:11,160 And so I think just even that sort of growth with these institutions of various types offering 43 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:16,240 these very different resources for people, I think, does show that it is having an impact 44 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,600 through that way at the very least. 45 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:25,080 Maybe Brendan can correct me if I'm wrong, but our website gets about, on average, 1,000 46 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,720 unique visitors a month. 47 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:32,480 Yeah, we're between 1,000 to 1,500 unique visitors a month right now, which has grown. 48 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:37,920 I believe the first month our website, I remember it took about four months to break 100. 49 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,840 And so this is a pretty good growth. 50 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:48,800 I feel like we're also seeing the change amongst local and national state organizations, whether 51 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,800 or not they have performance festivals. 52 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,320 And a lot of these organizations will have required repertoire that students have to 53 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:01,360 pick from when they're doing these festivals and seeing that they're also utilizing our 54 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,440 database and adding more diverse works. 55 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:10,080 What we've noticed a lot is that if you don't require it, sometimes people aren't really 56 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:11,600 going to do it. 57 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:17,280 And sure, we'd like to say that we don't need those kinds of requirements, but unless people 58 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:22,680 are at least exposed to it in a certain kind of way and in this way by requiring certain 59 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:27,520 repertoire for competitions or festivals, that really ensures and guarantees that people 60 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,880 are at least listening to it or learning it. 61 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,820 And that's a really, really great start. 62 00:04:33,820 --> 00:04:40,760 So even my own studio, my students at my university at University of North Carolina at Greensboro, 63 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:48,040 my students have to learn at least one of their pieces each semester is of a non-traditional 64 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,200 composer either of a genre or of a different background. 65 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:58,440 And I've found that students actually are very excited about this, maybe a little bit 66 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,720 hesitant at first, but then they're really, really excited. 67 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,560 Now, Susan is doing a bit of this as well, and all of us are just encouraging our students 68 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,500 and those around us to really be exploring these works. 69 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:14,800 And sometimes that just little slight nudge of gentle requirement is what you need to 70 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:15,800 do. 71 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:16,800 Yeah, yeah. 72 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:17,800 That's exactly. 73 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:18,800 Yes. 74 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:19,800 Okay. 75 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:20,800 Oh, Susan, your baby. 76 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,400 Oh, so cute. 77 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,920 Baby is awake. 78 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:30,960 I guess a fun fact, I don't know if you know, but Brendan and I are married and this is 79 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:31,960 our baby. 80 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:32,960 Oh, really? 81 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:33,960 Okay. 82 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,960 Yeah, it's our first ASAP baby. 83 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:37,960 ASAP baby. 84 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:38,960 Oh, wow. 85 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:39,960 Okay. 86 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,280 So you are in a different room right now. 87 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:45,680 He's at work and I'm at home. 88 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:46,680 Gotcha. 89 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,280 I hope your baby is okay. 90 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:50,280 Evy's sleeping well. 91 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:51,280 Yeah. 92 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:52,280 Yeah, mostly. 93 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:53,280 Yeah, mostly. 94 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:54,280 Yes. 95 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:55,280 Yeah. 96 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:56,280 Wonderful. 97 00:05:56,280 --> 00:06:04,280 Now, so then since you started, did you receive any recognition or awards? 98 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:06,440 Yes. 99 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:11,440 We've definitely, I feel like, received a lot of attention and everything from a couple 100 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,480 different organizations. 101 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:20,920 This past March, we were given the MTNA and the Francis Clark Center have teamed up to 102 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:26,360 give a National Pedagogy Award and we were honored enough to be given that this past 103 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,880 year, which is really exciting. 104 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:34,560 And we've been in talks with both Francis Clark Center and the Music Teachers National 105 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:42,500 Association as well, just to sort of integrate our ideas into these big national organizations. 106 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:48,840 And I think that is also sort of indicative of the institutional understanding of the 107 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:52,080 importance of a project like this, which was really exciting. 108 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,000 Yeah, that is very exciting and congratulations. 109 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:00,840 I mean, double congratulations, Brandon, because you are now a father of the little baby girl 110 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:07,040 too, but also with these awards and recognition that your organization is receiving. 111 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,040 Yeah. 112 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,360 Annie, you want to add something? 113 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,640 I think just that we were very honored, of course, to get this award, but we were just 114 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:14,640 kind of shocked. 115 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:22,320 Like a lot of this work that we've done and maybe you can empathize with this of having 116 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,800 started during the pandemic and getting things off the ground. 117 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,680 It's like you don't really see the fruits of it until much later. 118 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:36,120 And so we've just been kind of doing this, you know, casually for the past two and a 119 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:41,320 half, three years now, and then all of a sudden to have all this talk about it, whether or 120 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:47,080 not it's on the internet or now nationally through these two organizations, it was really 121 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,360 kind of just jaw dropping. 122 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,400 Like, oh, wow, people see what we're doing. 123 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:52,880 I had no idea. 124 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:58,440 Or like, you know, at these conferences and people reference us of saying like, oh yeah, 125 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,240 I got this information from a seat at the piano. 126 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,760 We're like, oh my God, like, this is amazing. 127 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,280 So that's just been really, really lovely. 128 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:14,200 And also the most recent NCKP National Conference for Keeber Pedagogy Conference, we were also 129 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,360 featured as like a PEDx talk. 130 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,880 And so Brendan was over there and he gave a really great talk about our organization 131 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,200 and competitions and festivals and things like that. 132 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:30,320 So yeah, it's really amazing to see all the work that we've done. 133 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:36,080 Like, we really have put a lot of work into this and so much of it has just been volunteers. 134 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,280 So like, we're not getting paid. 135 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,280 And which, yeah. 136 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:46,840 So to get that recognition is like, oh, that's really, that's really lovely. 137 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,480 And Annie, really, really congratulations on that. 138 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:57,760 Yeah, it's the hard work, but also I admire your passion too, right? 139 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:03,200 Because we are all passion driven people and being able to see that, you know, visually 140 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:09,200 in tangible way is so encouraging for not only just you guys, but also for me as well 141 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,040 to hear that wonderful news about your organization. 142 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:19,880 So throughout this journey, what did you gain and what important life lesson did you experience 143 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,080 from building this organization? 144 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:29,240 For me, it's been a really amazing experience doing this podcast, being able to meet you 145 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:30,240 guys. 146 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,520 Otherwise, there's, you know, I would never have, right? 147 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,760 In a virtual way like this. 148 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,120 And eventually I would love to meet you in person too. 149 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:45,380 But what sort of important life lesson did you receive by building this organization? 150 00:09:45,380 --> 00:09:52,040 I think for me, an important lesson I've learned is focus on the quality and progress, not 151 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,360 success. 152 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,280 So you know, earlier when you were asking us, oh, how are you achieving your mission? 153 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:02,960 But I'm thinking, I'm thinking, well, I don't know if we're ever going to be completely 154 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,380 achieving our mission. 155 00:10:04,380 --> 00:10:06,320 This is like, it's about the process. 156 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:07,620 It's not about the end goal. 157 00:10:07,620 --> 00:10:09,720 And I don't even know what the end goal is going to look like. 158 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,840 Yeah, for me, you know, and like Annie said, we did three years of this work and then we 159 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:14,840 finally got recognized. 160 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,720 Not that we were looking for this recognition, but it's about our passion. 161 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:27,920 It's about what we're trying to do instead of seeing like an achievement and accomplishment. 162 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,840 So I think that's been the biggest lesson. 163 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:31,840 I'm sorry. 164 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,840 I'll end with that. 165 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,880 Okay, thank you. 166 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:36,880 She is agreeing with you. 167 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:37,880 She's like, amen. 168 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:38,880 Annie? 169 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,880 Yeah, I love that, Susan. 170 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,360 Yeah, I think process is everything. 171 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:51,080 And like our process, even with this project, it goes in ebbs and flows. 172 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:57,200 Like I think one of the big things that we've realized as a group and as a team is that, 173 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,780 you know, we don't have the luxury of time that we had during the pandemic. 174 00:11:01,780 --> 00:11:05,200 Of course, there are lots of other things that we had to be occupied with as well, but 175 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,680 we really were able to devote a lot of time to researching and adding to this database. 176 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:14,440 We all have full time jobs or being a doctoral student. 177 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:15,920 And you know, it's busy. 178 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,680 And so having to fit this in, we do as much as we can. 179 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:24,240 And so like the little bits of progress that we're able to make either with this, with 180 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,100 the research that we're doing or how much we're able to share is I think the little 181 00:11:28,100 --> 00:11:31,100 successes that we can celebrate. 182 00:11:31,100 --> 00:11:37,640 Something I really have learned a lot is just like how much passion and curiosity can drive 183 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:38,760 people. 184 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:44,040 And so just in sharing some of these works with my students, like a lot of my students, 185 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:49,120 they have never even traveled outside of the state of North Carolina. 186 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:55,920 And so by sharing these kinds of works, it's able to enhance their perspective of the diversity 187 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,160 of the world through music. 188 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:05,440 And that's a really kind of incredible thing that we're able to do as musicians and artists. 189 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:11,000 And you know, like anyone is capable of making this kind of change. 190 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,000 We say this all the time. 191 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,560 It's just a matter about doing the work. 192 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:16,680 You've got to show up and you've got to do the work. 193 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:21,160 And just being excited to share that with others. 194 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,080 A lot of times we've talked a lot about vulnerability. 195 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,960 And when we started this, like, oh my goodness, are we even the right people to be doing this 196 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,560 kind of work? 197 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:30,680 And it's uncomfortable at times. 198 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:36,520 But I think as long as we continue doing it and to be passionate about it and to see how 199 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:41,360 fulfilling it is in going through this process, it's worth doing it. 200 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,000 Amen with that. 201 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,520 You have no idea how many times it's like, what am I doing? 202 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,720 But then, you know, it's a passion that drives, right? 203 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:50,720 Yes. 204 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:51,720 Yes. 205 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:52,720 Totally 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00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:34,320 Get a one month free trial using the code Pianopod23, exclusively for the Piano Pot 217 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:35,320 listeners. 218 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,480 Claim your free month with Music today. 219 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,640 Now let's go a little deeper into our conversations. 220 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,040 Now it's a little bit more philosophical question. 221 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:49,920 So what is your thought on keeping classical music relevant and industry thriving in this 222 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,560 fast paced society? 223 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:56,440 You know, we hear, oh, I live in this, you know, sports oriented town and nobody cares 224 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:57,720 about music. 225 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:03,200 And to encourage my students to continue piano lessons is just so difficult. 226 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:04,960 I hear sometimes like this. 227 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:11,600 Or you know, I live in a really big city where everybody is so busy and just to have one 228 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:16,040 focus on one instrument really sometimes seems so impossible. 229 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,600 So what is your thought on that? 230 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:19,600 Wow. 231 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,400 Did I catch you off guard? 232 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:30,840 No, it's just like, it's so, it's, it's hard, right? 233 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,440 We all have our own lives. 234 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,120 We all have, you know, just like things to do. 235 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,800 Who am I to be telling you what to do? 236 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:39,800 Right? 237 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,840 However, I think what's more important is that every little bit counts. 238 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:50,480 I just think the more that we remain just ambassadors for this kind of work, you never, 239 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:56,840 you never know what little thing you might say to someone that can totally change the, 240 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,440 it sounds so dramatic, but like the literally the trajectory of their life, you know, like 241 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:07,520 I think of back when I was an undergrad, all it took was one conversation to sort of completely 242 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,360 change my direction in music. 243 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,280 I think also be willing to kind of have to talk to people. 244 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:20,480 I think for a long time, I've been the kind of person that I'm a, I would say rather reserved 245 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,740 individual. 246 00:15:22,740 --> 00:15:26,920 So a lot of the time I'll say, well, I'll let my work speak for itself or like, I love 247 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:32,320 being especially a collaborative pianist because I'm like not the only one on stage. 248 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:38,440 Sometimes yeah, all it takes is one little conversation to really, to make a lasting 249 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,120 change in someone. 250 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,600 And that one person knows a whole different set of people, right? 251 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,360 So it's overwhelming, as it looks. 252 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,120 Yeah, we are more affected than we might think sometimes. 253 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:58,400 What is your thought on our duty or gift as classical musicians to society at large? 254 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:06,440 I mean, part of it is, I think the joy and the hardest thing, I think, as well as about 255 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:13,760 being like any type of artist, musician, you know, actor, whatever, is that I think the 256 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:18,680 best thing you can do is just be sort of true to yourself when you're doing your art, whatever 257 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,640 that might look like. 258 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:28,280 I don't personally, I don't know if I have a, would describe it as a duty to an audience 259 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:34,240 because I think it's more of a duty to your own artistic integrity and just kind of like 260 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,480 looking at it that way. 261 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,560 And then people might like it and people might not. 262 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,440 And that's okay, you know. 263 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:47,600 And then the other thing is just to realize that like, there's so much more out there 264 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:53,200 as well and just to be constantly exploring new things. 265 00:16:53,200 --> 00:17:00,520 So right now, I am not by any means a jazz musician. 266 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,200 My dad is. 267 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:10,760 And I can do some basic stuff, but I have a lot of students at Fisk right now who want 268 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,240 to study piano and they want to learn to improvise. 269 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:20,420 And this is new for me to do, even though I've listened to jazz my whole life. 270 00:17:20,420 --> 00:17:24,680 And so I think part of my sort of shifting identity as an artist and sort of what I'm 271 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:30,160 doing right now is I'm also just reacting to the needs of the community and I'm like 272 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,560 studying how to improvise right now. 273 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,080 And so that way I can be a more effective teacher. 274 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:41,880 And I don't know if I'll ever be what I would consider as a good improviser, but I think 275 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,800 that sort of reflection of you have to present yourself and you have to sort of react to 276 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,920 your community. 277 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:54,360 That sort of duality of being an artist is really important to hold on to as you're sort 278 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:56,080 of going through this work. 279 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,800 Yeah, I agree. 280 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:03,200 So now next question would be, what sort of innovative approaches can classical musicians 281 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,560 employ to connect with contemporary audiences? 282 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:14,800 I mean, I think that audiences today are very different from audiences that we've had a 283 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,760 hundred years ago. 284 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,280 We have shorter attention spans. 285 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:26,760 We are all about our devices and phones and scrolling, endless content, yet never exactly 286 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,440 do they want endless classical music concerts. 287 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:36,440 And so I think that the interacting with our modern day audience today is all just about 288 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:46,000 engagement and how to make it either having a really thoughtful and genuine theme or idea 289 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,760 that you're trying to convey through performance. 290 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:57,160 I think a lot of times, especially young students get into that mindset of I program a recital 291 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,720 to hit all the check boxes that I have to play for my recital jury, you know, your Baroque 292 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,680 piece, classical, romantic, contemporary. 293 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:12,400 But there are more creative ways, I think, to program, whether or not that's thematic 294 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:19,080 or whether or not that's based on a genre or some kind of idea, a quote that inspires 295 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,680 something. 296 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:26,960 I do find like visual elements, sometimes they can be extremely helpful, sometimes not. 297 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,240 But you know, if it's done well, it's done effectively. 298 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,080 I think it can be very, very engaging. 299 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:39,320 Or I've had friends who've done concerts that have apps that go along with the concert 300 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,120 with like live time kind of program notes. 301 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:46,000 So you know, I think of sportscasters all the time, like if when they were watching 302 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,600 sports and they like tell you detail by detail, I do not really understand sports. 303 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,480 So like, I appreciate that a lot. 304 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:56,920 So if someone was doing that for me and listening to classical music, that's fantastic. 305 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,160 That's great. 306 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,480 Or having like interactive things. 307 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:04,600 I've done some concerts where I've had people like write down words through also an app 308 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,560 and it gets projected onto a screen. 309 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:11,520 And so people get to share their ideas and create a word bubble of, you know, the way 310 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,080 it's like kind of anonymously too, which is nice because you don't have to like speak 311 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,520 out loud of what does this piece make you think of? 312 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,320 How does it make you feel? 313 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:25,160 Maybe like putting up an image or a video that also kind of accompanies a piece. 314 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:31,680 I think that we, especially as pianists, we tend to be very kind of solitary in the ways 315 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,680 that we work. 316 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,960 But the more that we're able to collaborate, whether or not that's with other people or 317 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:41,720 other terms of media, that's always going to be, I think, a lot more effective. 318 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,240 And of course, like, yeah, we wish like the music could just speak for itself, like kind 319 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,480 of, you know, we do art for art's sake. 320 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:55,760 But I think that's kind of just it's a romanticized kind of way to think about how we operate 321 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,040 as musicians and artists today. 322 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,800 And we need to do a little bit more. 323 00:20:58,800 --> 00:20:59,800 Right. 324 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:00,800 Absolutely. 325 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:01,800 I agree with you. 326 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,440 Hey there, TPP family. 327 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:09,080 The piano part is now into our fourth season and it's all thanks to you. 328 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:14,560 Since 2020, you've been with my journey with the TPP, exploring this burning question. 329 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:20,240 How do we make classical music resonate with today's audience in fresh and captivating 330 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,240 ways? 331 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,040 Four years in and the journey has been nothing short of magical. 332 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:30,880 The piano part isn't just a podcast, it's a movement, a space where pianists, composers 333 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:37,120 and educators brainstorm, debate and reimagine classical music's place in our fast paced 334 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:38,120 world. 335 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:43,680 We're together on a mission to ensure classical music doesn't just survive, but thrives 336 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,120 in our modern age. 337 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:46,120 But here's the thing. 338 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:51,680 To keep bringing you these insightful bi-weekly episodes, I need your help. 339 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:57,520 Every bit of support goes into the podcast essentials from hosting to high quality recording 340 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,240 tech and the countless hours behind the scenes. 341 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,560 So do you want to be part of this journey? 342 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:08,640 Click the PayPal link in the show notes or head to the pianopod.com to donate. 343 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:16,680 And as a token of appreciation, I will personally mail you the Pianopause snazzy logo sticker. 344 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:22,160 So hit the subscribe button, spread the word and let's continue our mission and journey 345 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,380 as classical musicians. 346 00:22:24,380 --> 00:22:27,440 Now let's continue with the show. 347 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,160 What's the next phase and short term goal of ASAP? 348 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:37,740 So we have a couple of things on the docket that we want to get to. 349 00:22:37,740 --> 00:22:44,840 One is the anthologies that Annie mentioned previously, which would be just exciting for 350 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,720 us to figure out how publishing works. 351 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:53,820 And also more importantly, serves as a tangible resource based on our database that just makes 352 00:22:53,820 --> 00:22:55,980 finding this music even easier. 353 00:22:55,980 --> 00:23:01,520 And then we do want to expand the types of music in our database. 354 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:08,960 And so we are hoping to build up our data on works for piano forehands or for piano 355 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:14,660 chamber, including two piano works and then piano with other instruments to sort of keep 356 00:23:14,660 --> 00:23:18,120 expanding what we can that way. 357 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:24,160 And I know those are two big things that we want to sort of work towards in the future. 358 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,160 Wonderful. 359 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,760 So the last question is any advice? 360 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:35,720 This is just from the perspective as you being the music teachers, piano teachers, but any 361 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,040 advice for young musicians? 362 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,040 We all work with students every single day. 363 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:48,800 And there are moments when I'm teaching where I like to think of myself as being optimistic, 364 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:53,340 but it's very easy to think like, oh, being a musician is really hard. 365 00:23:53,340 --> 00:23:56,100 Like what am I preparing you actually for? 366 00:23:56,100 --> 00:24:00,120 What kind of career are you looking for after this? 367 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:05,360 And the only thing that kind of helps me to keep going, and I like to think that it's 368 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:15,440 the same for students, is that they are pursuing these interests for curiosity, for enjoyment, 369 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,240 and also for hope. 370 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:22,600 Because I think a lot about the Brazilian pedagogue, Paul Freire, he wrote this book, 371 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,200 Pedagogy of Hope. 372 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:30,520 And he says something along the lines of like, there's no change without a dream, just as 373 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,840 there is no dream without hope. 374 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:38,580 So if you don't have that hope and you don't have, it can be kind of abstract in any kind 375 00:24:38,580 --> 00:24:42,920 of way, but we have to have something that's driving us. 376 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:50,280 And my hope being for them is that they're able to impact someone's life, whether or 377 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:57,880 not it's through their music or through their interests in art in some kind of way. 378 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,120 And I like to pull quotes from other people because I feel like they say it much better 379 00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:03,120 than I do. 380 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:06,920 But like another person I think of is Brene Brown, who's just a really wonderful speaker. 381 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:13,200 And we talk about this too within our group and our team of we're not here to be right, 382 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,000 but we're here to get it right. 383 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:21,960 And so it's all about process and the process is going to be forever going. 384 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,920 You know, it's not a sprint. 385 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:32,380 We did actually a whole presentation about this, that like our process in this is really 386 00:25:32,380 --> 00:25:36,720 an ultra marathon, the longest distance that you could go because our goal really is to 387 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,080 keep on doing this for as long as we can. 388 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,080 Right, right. 389 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,080 Absolutely. 390 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,080 Yeah. 391 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,080 Yeah. 392 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,080 Thank you. 393 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,320 I'm going to hand this question to everybody, but time is running out, so we have to go 394 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,440 to the next segment. 395 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:53,440 But before we go, give a special mention to all the pianists and piano teachers and students 396 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,760 tuning in today who might not be familiar with your organization. 397 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,320 So just the last like a quick promo that you can do. 398 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,320 Yeah. 399 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:07,920 Come visit us at acetothepiano.com or visit us on social media. 400 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:15,640 There's a lot to explore and I can promise you that you will find something that interests 401 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:16,640 you. 402 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:17,640 Thank you. 403 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:22,920 So all of us can go to acetothepiano.com, right? 404 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:23,920 Yes. 405 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,920 And you can get their ASAP. 406 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,920 Okay. 407 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:28,920 Yeah. 408 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,920 You get their ASAP. 409 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,240 Yes. 410 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,240 That was perfect. 411 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,240 Great. 412 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,800 This has been such a fun, inspiring conversation, everyone. 413 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,240 Annie, Evan, Brendan, Susan, thank you so much for being here. 414 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,240 But before I let you go, we have one more thing to do. 415 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,460 So it's called the Pianopods rapid fire questions. 416 00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:54,280 And this is the part of the show where I get to ask fun questions to every one of you. 417 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,400 And here's a little twist. 418 00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:01,640 As silly as these questions may sound, your answers may reveal who truly you are. 419 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,380 So ready or not? 420 00:27:03,380 --> 00:27:06,520 Question number one, what is your comfort food? 421 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,520 Annie. 422 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,520 Tacos. 423 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,520 Evan. 424 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:10,520 Fuh. 425 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,520 Okay. 426 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,520 Brendan. 427 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,520 Uh, ooh, chips. 428 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,520 That's probably bad. 429 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:15,520 Okay. 430 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,520 Susan. 431 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,520 Ice cream. 432 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,520 Yes. 433 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:19,520 How do you like your coffee, Evan? 434 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,520 A little bit of soy. 435 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,520 Brendan. 436 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:22,520 A lot and black. 437 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:23,520 Susan. 438 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,520 Okay. 439 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,520 So, I'm going to ask you a question. 440 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:26,520 What is your favorite food? 441 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:33,220 I like the 442 00:27:33,220 --> 00:27:36,400 Black sometimes with milk. 443 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,400 Annie. 444 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,400 Black and bold. 445 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,400 Okay. 446 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,400 Wow. 447 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,400 All right. 448 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:43,400 Cats or dogs, Brendan? 449 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,400 Dogs. 450 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,400 We have a dog. 451 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,400 Okay. 452 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,400 Okay. 453 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,400 Annie. 454 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,400 Dog. 455 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,400 Dog. 456 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,400 All right. 457 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,400 You're your old dog people here. 458 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,400 Great. 459 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,440 Now, uh, summer or winter, Susan? 460 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,440 Winter. 461 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,440 Annie. 462 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,440 Oh, definitely summer. 463 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,440 Evan. 464 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,440 Winter. 465 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,440 Brendan. 466 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:11,440 Uh, winter in Nashville, but summer where it's somewhere not as hot. 467 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,440 Yes. 468 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,440 Yes. 469 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,440 Amen. 470 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,440 All right. 471 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,840 Now, what is your word of words to live by, Annie? 472 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:20,840 Curiosity. 473 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:21,840 Evan. 474 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,840 Pick your battles. 475 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,840 Brendan. 476 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:31,440 Um, I guess be willing and flexible. 477 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,440 Right. 478 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,440 And Susan. 479 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,440 Be nice. 480 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,440 Okay. 481 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:48,840 Now name one unknown composer whom you discovered through your work at ASAP and admire. 482 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,840 So one unknown composer. 483 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,840 Uh, start with Evan. 484 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,680 Oh, I can't remember their name. 485 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,440 I just felt like found their A-tubes the other day. 486 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,440 Okay. 487 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,440 I'll get back to you. 488 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,440 So Brendan. 489 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,760 I would hate to call her unknown because I think she's actually really well known except 490 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,440 to me, but Sarah Kirkland Snyder is somebody that I found and love her music. 491 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:13,440 Okay. 492 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:14,440 Susan. 493 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,440 Vyacheslav Koplovov. 494 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,440 Okay. 495 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,440 Oswald Russell. 496 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,440 He's a Jamaican composer. 497 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,440 Oh, wow. 498 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:20,440 I need to check him up. 499 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,440 See, I'm really learning. 500 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,440 Evan. 501 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,440 I can't remember. 502 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,440 I'll say, um, I'm not sure. 503 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,440 I'm not sure. 504 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,440 I'm really learning, Evan. 505 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,440 Okay. 506 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,440 I'll say, um, Shimonovska. 507 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,440 Okay. 508 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,440 Great. 509 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,440 Thank you. 510 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,440 So name one piece in your current playlist, Brendan. 511 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,440 Um, uh, Snarky Puppy's newest album. 512 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,440 Uh, Entraact, I think it's called. 513 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,440 Okay. 514 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,440 Susan. 515 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,440 Florence Price concerto. 516 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,440 Wonderful. 517 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,440 Annie. 518 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,440 Um, Hozier's new album, Eat Your Young. 519 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,440 Okay. 520 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,440 Great. 521 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,440 Evan. 522 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,440 Uh, Mahalia's new album, IRL. 523 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,440 Great. 524 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,440 So now last question. 525 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,440 Fill in the blank. 526 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,440 Music is blank. 527 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,440 Susan. 528 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,440 Powerful. 529 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,440 Annie. 530 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,440 Music is empowering. 531 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:20,440 Amen. 532 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,440 Evan. 533 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,440 Profound. 534 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,440 Indeed. 535 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,440 Brendan. 536 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,440 Um, music is necessary. 537 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,440 Ah, so good. 538 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:32,440 Ding, ding. 539 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,440 You're done. 540 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,440 So you're all passed. 541 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,440 Congratulations. 542 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,440 Yes. 543 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,440 All right. 544 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,440 So this concludes this episode of the piano pop. 545 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:47,440 Thank you, Annie and Evan, Brendan for, and Susan for joining and, uh, you're the baby. 546 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,440 I didn't want to interrupt you. 547 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,440 Uh, you're the baby. 548 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,440 I didn't want to ask the name because sometimes, you know, you want to hide, you want to be 549 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,440 anonymous with the little ones, but, um, thank you. 550 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,440 Yeah. 551 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,440 Thank you. 552 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,440 Little girl, little baby for joining. 553 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,440 So, um, sharing your stories and insights and expertise that you can learn more about 554 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:12,440 a seat at the piano through their website at a seat at the piano.com and also through 555 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,440 Instagram and Facebook. 556 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,440 Thank you to my wonderful audience and fans for tuning in today. 557 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,440 If you enjoyed today's episode, please rate and review it on whatever podcasting platform 558 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,440 you use. 559 00:31:21,440 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